Transcript of Yolito Wesmandoval: Wednesday, May 27th, 2026 New

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Part 1.

Part one.

I guess we have 3 weeks of this sort of Wednesday.

Thank God. It was getting a little dry. Like we had so many highs of like, you know, the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives drama, The Bachelor scandal. Then we had Summer House Scandaval and then it was like kind of like dry. And now we're back.

Things were quiet. We needed a moment to collect ourselves. Absolutely. And really time heals all. So I, I do enjoy like having some breaks in between to process. Mm-hmm. You know, to, to accept the new reality.

I have to tell you something so funny. So our sister Olivia was telling me, like, she's so funny. She was telling me that she was like, watching Ari Leindeck's Instagram, and then he had these like really nice outdoor lounge chairs, and she was thinking about getting them. She was like influenced by Ari Leindeck.

He makes amazing content. I was trying to tell you that last week.

So she was cracking me up, and I was like, I have to go see these lounge chairs. And I ended up on a fucking rabbit hole of the Leindeck family, and then they're making this video, and it's like the Full House theme song, introducing Mom, Dad, Alessi. I was like, oh my God, it's baby Alessi. Yeah. First of all, he has a 3D printer, Ari Leintek, and he makes like everything for his house. He was like, Lauren has been doing her makeup and like her makeup's just like all over the vanity and it's like been bothering her cuz— so he 3D printed like this organizer for her lipsticks, the exact size of her foundation. He's kind of one of the most amazing influencers I've ever seen.

No, he is. He's so handy. He made her a chicken coop. He built— oh, he builds like everything. Like what we talk about how, oh, I wish I had a husband that's like, oh, I want a reading bench, like build me a reading nook. He does it and he like makes content from and like Jared Hybun.

Jackie! Oh my God. Like, I'm seriously freaking out.

I was thinking the same thing. Jared Hybun could learn something from him.

When I was watching his videos, I was like, oh my God, you're freaking me out. I was like, literally Jared Hybun could never. And it's like, this is the exact thing that Ashley's talking about. If you just applied yourself.

No, it's like find your passion and then do it on social media. Yeah, absolutely.

You can do—

there's something for everything on social media. So like find what you love, even if it's like making new coffee blends for Jared.

Yeah.

Like make content about it cuz you have a million fucking followers.

Absolutely. I thought the same thing. Cause he's definitely like a niche creator, that Ari Lyndeig. And I wonder—

not for me. He's like my main— and I follow Lauren.

I saw that you followed Lauren. So I was just like, you should follow her.

You would love her. She has really good new mama energy. Oh, okay.

I will follow her. I really, um, oh man, I'm cracking up. So I just couldn't believe I was seeing baby Alessi's all grown up.

Yeah.

And I'm not calling her— sorry, I don't wanna call her baby Alessi.

That's a mean thing. She's like toddler Alessi. Yeah.

They have interesting names for their kids. Lux. Was one of them.

They have twins.

Do they?

Mhm. Two of them are— I think it's Sienna and Lux.

We're freaks. Um, no, I'm just— I'm—

wait, how were the lounge chairs? Where were they from?

Oh, it was sponsored. Where were they from? Let me tell you so I could just close the loop. They were really nice. The way he set them up, like, it was— of course, you know, Lauren went out for the day, so when she comes home, like, she needs a new backyard. If only Ben would make me a new backyard. Um, Arline Dyke.

Okay, let me say Like, if only—

like, Ben is the perfect husband except that he doesn't know how to like be handy and like use drills or build backyards, you know?

Yeah, he also built himself a tool shed for all of his tools.

Oh, I love that!

And then he like filmed that and made content from it.

Jared Polywood.

Polywood, do you know that company? Yeah, P-O-L-Y-W-O-O-D. Yeah.

Okay, so hold on, here's the big reveal.

Oh, I think I saw this video.

Oh, he's setting it up.

I saw this video, but— oh, I did see this video. At first I was like, oh, these chairs are really nice and they have storage underneath.

Oh, do they?

I feel like they do.

Huge cushions. I'm obsessed. Like, he's literally my favorite. Oh, they have built-in umbrella stands. That's insane. Yeah, so Olivia was right. These are—

she should get them.

Absolutely.

I should go for new lounge chairs too.

Oh my God, cracking up. So I spent like—

do you follow? Do you give a follow?

You know what, I should. Like, the content is premium and people deserve to be rewarded, so let me follow both of them right now.

But I literally— we were having this conversation last week privately. I don't know why the Line-X came up, and I was like, no, they're— they have such a nice, like, family. They make such cute content. Like, they're really— I love following them. They're so great.

Well, that was a list of things you were telling me about for— but I had to experience for myself.

Yeah, but this was a really short turnaround time, so that's fine.

I'm getting better.

And it had to be Olivia.

Yo, yo, can we tell everybody about Yolito? Yeah, our sister Olivia is just really one of a kind, you know? Don't you feel like there's nobody else like her?

No, there's not.

Were we playing mahjong?

I think we were playing mahjong, and you, like, were about to make a call or something. No, I told you guys, but I about Ruby's belly button.

Oh, I was like, Ruby, so I'm like, how do you guys clean your kids' belly buttons? Like, because I saw some, like, some dirt. And, and you were like, it's fine. Like, yeah, because he gets a bath every day.

It'll like figure it out.

Olivia's like, yeah, yolo. Yolo. And she was saying yolo, which she does say a lot.

She loves yolo. So she's sort of like the way that we would say like totally or 100%. She says yolo at the end of every sentence. Yolo.

I feel like she kind of uses it like we use pargy.

Yeah, no, or 100%, like as an agreeable term. Yes, she's Agreeable YOLO.

And so she's made it a little Latin. She said, YOLO.

YOLO. It's a little bit of YOLO.

Like, that is seriously the funniest thing. And honestly, YOLO.

No. And like, if you don't stop and notice, like stop and smell the flowers with her, like you'll miss these moments.

Because the thing about Jackie is that when Olivia said YOLO, like, yeah, that's my sister. She says stuff like that. I didn't even notice it. And you then stopped the conversation and you said, wait, Ruby's belly button is dirty. YOLO. And I was like, YOLO. I wouldn't have noticed it, but you stopped to point it out. And that's really the magic of Olivia. Like, you have to stop. And smell her roses.

It's really, really true.

Yolito.

And that's what I can do is I can surface great content. Yeah, just like the place looks great.

Yep, it always does. The Lyndykes.

Just, oh, I can surface the Lyndykes content.

So last night was Summer House and In the City. I did watch like the first 20 minutes of In the City, but honestly, like, the high— it was like an emotional high watching Summer House. And Ben was locked the fuck in. It's funny, everyone was watching. Like, our sister Margo was watching. She never watches Bravo. People who— it's really like Sandoval, what, what we call it?

Scandoval.

Scandoval. Um, where like people from different universes are joining us. Ben was so locked in.

By the way, like I was thinking about it. What do you think is like the name that the culture has landed on?

We call it Scamandaval, but I think everybody calls it Scamanda.

I call it Westmandaval and I feel like that is appropriate. Scamanda does not work for me at all. Yeah.

It also wasn't a scam. It was a betrayal. So it would be like betray—

and also that— there's no onus on West in that situation. That's why Westmandaval is perfect. But then the funny part is Andeval, because there— that's just Andeval. There's no, there's no scandal in West Mandeville.

Yeah, but like oval implies the scandal and the Bravo.

Like, it's actually hysterical. He is his own term now. So our first story will be like the full summer house recap, 'cause that's what everybody's here to do today, as are we. I was like co-sleeping my way through life last night.

Summer house reunion.

No, no, no. And like I had, so I have to like put the kids in my bed and go to sleep with them and then we transfer them. But it's like sometimes I do fall asleep with them.

Of course, you're only human.

But I'm like, I have to watch the summer house reunion. This is like our Super Bowl. Like if I came here here today and I hadn't watched it, like, what would we be doing?

You know, one time I saw Lauren Elizabeth doing the craziest thing ever, but the more I think about it, the more kind of genius it was. I never knew—

Lauren Elizabeth is ahead of her time.

She is. Ready for this? She has an Apple TV, like, in her bedroom. And by the way, this is before she became a mom, so I don't know why she was doing it, but she connected her AirPods to her TV.

Yes, I saw she did that once.

That's like kind of brilliant. Like, if your kids are sleeping, the light of the TV might not wake them up, but the sound will. So if you could connect your AirPods Yeah. Isn't that kind of like, it's like surround sound.

No, it, it's brilliant. Especially like if you have a newborn or something. However, Bluetooth, I don't use AirPods anymore. And if you are having a newborn, you shouldn't use them around them if you care about such things.

Right.

Just watch TV, you know? Yeah. Right. Just watch the TV.

Also, newborns will sleep through anything.

Like I need a cord connecting all the way.

They definitely sell that on Amazon, like a hundred foot headphone.

Yeah.

Um, what else can we talk about before we talk about like the thing, you know?

Yeah. Oh, we had a fun day yesterday. We mahjonged and then we went to the mall.

We, oh, we did go to the mall.

We bought out the entire children's floor of Macy's.

Shout out to Macy's. Those were some killer deals.

Yeah. I don't know how many deals I got cuz I did drop.

Well, yeah, you did drop 4 figures, but on like a whole new year-long wardrobe for your 3 children.

Yeah.

It's pretty good. It's not so bad.

It's pretty good. Yeah.

I love the mall.

I know we really like did it well yesterday too. Like we mauled with purpose.

It's such a suburban, like, and I, I feel like I was talking about this when I went on, or when Suzy Weiss came on the podcast that like malls are back and they're really good for Gen Z because it's like offline.

Uh-huh.

IRL, like things that seem so obvious, like to us when I see like a bunch of girls like walking through the mall with Victoria's Secret shopping bags, I'm like, you guys didn't even know how, how good your life is. Like that's the best part of your life. And I saw a lot of teenagers yesterday. It was very encouraging.

Yeah.

I get your kids, just drop them off at the mall. Yeah, maybe don't drop them off, like wait outside or something, but you know.

Yeah, malls, depending on how old they are, lurking, stay back like 100 feet, you know, eyes in the back of your head.

But it was so mall-y, like the kids were at like Aritzia, you know, and we were definitely like at the after-school like, oh, timing. Yeah, and we got ice cream. It was just like so mall.

Yeah, no, it was really cute.

It wasn't ice cream, it was like that dairy-free, like freeze.

Yeah, but it was great for the kids.

Yeah, for me, not gonna cut it. They did also have a Häagen-Dazs.

Yeah, like it wasn't for— it was literally— I couldn't have dreamed of a better snack for the kids because they thought they had ice cream, but they really just had like dairy-free ice cream. Where it said dairy-free?

Yes.

Okay, like that's insane.

Just like go have a pizza or something, like something else. If you're dairy-free, you can't—

well, I guess no, for me, like I don't know what really box checks, but like for the children it was great. It was like no sugar, alcohol, of course, of course, artificial flavors, no natural flavors, like no nothing. It was literally just like flavored ice that looks ice cream. Thank you.

Flavored ice. Yeah, it was like a snow cone.

Thank you.

Um, what else? What else? I'm just like trying not to say my Summer House thoughts, but I guess like we could—

we could get into it. I don't see why not.

It was like so thin.

I know, but like that's because we have to get into things.

You know that we had lunch yesterday? I feel like there was some sort of mix-up in the kitchen of my lunch.

Yeah, I was there.

Yeah, like I had a burrito bowl, which I love, and I got chicken on And when it came—

you just said that, like, I pick Clark.

I do, I pick Clark.

I got chicken. I pick Clark, she got chicken.

I actually really realized I don't want to tell my lunch story. Like, try being an influencer for a day.

Yeah, I actually want to— not only do I want to get into Summer House, but the rest of the stories, like, are fucking hysterical. Really? Like, they're so random in a good way, in a good way. And I want to get into everything. So without further ado, it is time for the Fast Five stories that you do need to know.

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Our first story, Summer House reunion recap part 1, biggest bombshells and such.

So I did appreciate the layout, right? Because we didn't actually get like everyone seated till the 17-minute mark, and I was like, damn, that's annoying because we're just like missing out.

No, no, but the way that they brought us in, like, I really appreciated. You know what it reminded me of?

When Lindsay and Kyle were like on the couch, they found out in confession.

Oh, like Kim and Khloé?

Yes.

Uh-huh.

With who was that? Um, Jordan and Tristan. It was very meta. I thought it was well done. And it is interesting how they all called each other. I do believe that like they are really close off camera, which makes this whole situation— and I, I, I feel like Jesse Solomon's like getting a lot of shit for crying. Like, but I know what he's saying. Like, we had this great friend group and like now it's ruined.

No, I know Jesse Solomon breaks my heart.

He's like, he's a devastating character.

I feel like he needs to date Margot and become a part of our family. I feel like he needs us. Did you feel that way?

I was DMing with him last night. He was loving my coverage on my Instagram stories. So like, Jesse, reach out.

Yeah, like, I feel like he needs the brothers.

Yeah, he needs like our sister.

Yeah, he does. I really feel like he does. And I think him and Margot would get along, even though I was sort of getting vibes last night for Jesse and Mia. Anyone?

I just fucking love that Mia. And like, I'm so glad they had a moment to be like, you're an amazing addition. I didn't realize how close her and Sierra were. Like, they live in the same building. Um, and I love that. I think like both of them need each other, and it's a great friendship. And she's doing a really job of like supporting Sierra without like, you know, making it about her, without also going too far. And like, that's sort of what happened with Scandal, and I don't want to get there. I feel like we— like, the very last thing Sierra said in last night's episode like was really mean, and I just don't want to get to that place where like Amanda's the victim.

Yeah.

Um, and so you do have to be really cautious because I do think that, at least for me, like Ariana was so mean to Raquel. At least Raquel was sympathetic, like she was sorry. Amanda's like not sorry, so she's hard to feel bad for. But like, it got to a place where I was like, oh my God, What's the next thing? You guys are gonna tell this girl to kill herself? Like, yeah, it was such a pile-on. So you do have to be really careful.

Yes, you do. And also, last night I was realizing it— there's some— I go through phases of being like, this is the biggest deal ever, and then also like, no, everyone was single, you know? And it's like, no, I could understand why like Amanda like thought this— it was okay to like sort of process her feelings like and even entertain this idea, whereas like Scandalfall was an affair on a 10-year-long relationship, sleeping in her bed when her grandmother said like it so scandalous. And when Wes said this isn't a sex scandal, like, I actually understood what he meant. It's just like two, like, softies, immature people who are, like, having feelings for each other, like a couple of middle schoolers.

Yeah, that was his— I feel like their approach was, like, to really downplay it, being like, it's a good—

it's a good approach.

It is, it is. But at the end of the day, it really dismisses, like, how hurt so many people are. It's like, everyone is finding a way to make this about themselves. But, like, I do feel like everybody It's not really, it's not really a stretch of the truth that like Jesse Solomon is devastated even though he wasn't betrayed, you know, but he was the way that they just lied to everyone straight to their face.

Like, and at what I can understand, you're in a bad spot.

Yeah.

Like we like each other and we don't know how to go about it. There are no way that they went about it would've ended in everyone loving them and it all working out. Mm-hmm. But there are better ways to go about it than what they like, lying is the worst way. Yeah. What they, to everyone, what they really should have done was like shelved their feelings. Yeah. For a while. Until this summer and like let us watch them fall in love and maybe, maybe we could root for them.

Yeah.

And let us watch her telling Sierra, like, I'm having feelings for Wes. I don't know what to do. I love you so much. You're my best friend. But like, you know, this is how I feel. And like, let us decide.

It was weird that like when Andy, when first of all, like I just feel awkward around Wes and Amanda. Like they're just miserable.

And seeing them, like we never saw them together as a couple. Yeah.

And like when he just walks in and like gives her a kiss on the cheek and they're just like sitting there laying on each other and I'm like, like, I—

as a couple, like, we never—

terrible.

Like, I know we've heard about Westmanda, but we never saw it before.

It's not cute.

We've only seen her with one partner over 10 years and someone who she didn't even like. Like, it's actually— and we never see him because God forbid he's someone's boyfriend. It actually was like a shock, comfortable to see the two of them together.

They are so obsessed with the timeline. Like, that's really all that they can—

because I guess— and I guess they want to make clear that it wasn't an affair and that things really didn't get physical for a while. It's actually said that they didn't have sex until after this. I thought that was so crazy. You put out a statement and you ruined your life for such a—

let's say that that's true. Like, how do you really even know that you liked each other? You're basically saying like you kissed and then wrote a statement.

Well, I think that they have been like fighting their feelings for months. Yeah, the thing is, and like having intimate moments, maybe kissing, like knowing we shouldn't, we should, you know, forbidden love for months. And then they put out the statement, they felt free, like they did what they needed to do and they stopped lying, and then they could really consummate their relationship.

Shit. Yeah, well, the thing is, no, if you— if they had handled this in any other way, like, there is an argument to be made that it's like seriously like star-crossed lovers, like it could be romantic. But now it's just— they look like they have like survivor's guilt and they're just like clinging to one another for reasons I genuinely don't understand. Yes, if done correctly, which is borderline impossible to do.

Borderline impossible.

I could see like a group of the fandom like rooting for it, being like, yes, inconvenient, but it's their truth.

Yes, yes.

But now, because they did it so dirty, like lying like to Jesse Solomon, and I'm glad—

and Sierra asked explicit— I'm glad they're in the hands kissing this, and she says correct. Because you could say we have— we're not hooking up, because they were not hooking up. A couple smooches and emotional love story, we're not hooking up.

Yeah.

When she's asked point blank, and we know that at that point Sierra already knew because she's seen a video, and that's why she texted him in and being like, so there's not any photos or videos of And also people are like, I think they slept together first because a man— because Sierra saw a video of them like hooking up, right? But they were probably just making out on the couch.

They probably—

they weren't— it wasn't a sex tape. I don't think so. Probably making out on the couch. Yeah, for the bed, like making out.

No, I know that they have to like talk about other things in the season because it's only part 1, and I'm sure part 3 will be dedicated to this completely. But I appreciated that we got like a chunk in the beginning, and I was ready to like seriously like start scrolling on my phone, going to sleep, when they started talking about like shit that happened over the summer. But I was I was sat the fuck down for Bailey v. Ben. Like, sat. I don't know, I didn't like— I didn't know any of this was like bubbling under the surface, but you know, she was raising a couple of good points. And it's like, yeah, you are like up all the guys' ass, but you love to like come after the women.

Yeah.

And you know what, even though it was really fucking weird what Amanda said, being like, Ben wants to have sex with me, like, he went really hard.

He really enjoyed dressing her down.

Yeah. And you could tell he was almost like fighting the urge not to continue yelling at Bailey as she's calling him out for yelling at girls. You know what? Slay mama.

No. And even then they cut to that scene with Sabrina where he's like, how are we going to get our fucking kids to school? And it's like in a different light that like seems like funny, but it actually is like a just very harsh—

it's a harsh way.

You're already criticizing her as a mother.

She's your girlfriend for 2 months and like you're late, like to go out to a bar. Like it's a bar. It'll still be there in 5 minutes.

Yeah. And I never thought anything of him. Red flag, green flag, no flag.

Now I hate him.

Now I'm like, she's really onto something.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like she like clocked him.

Yeah, everybody else did because there was so much going on this summer. Of course Levi Creevy did as well. That's my queen right there.

I just want to say, them bringing in Levi before bringing in Dara, who's like dating one of the—

we need to talk about Dara and KJ because like there's been— have you seen what the other cast members have been saying about them? Like, I saw a clip of Levi a couple weeks ago doing like virtual reality, Levi like actually starting stuff once the season's over, and she said that she was asked about KJ and Dara because I guess like other people had like said some things.

Oh, sorry, I just want to say Bailey bringing up that he thinks that Sabrina and Ben were dating the entire time, which is like a very common theory on the internet. Yeah, like, yes, thank you for bringing that up.

Yeah, and that's, that's the only reason why he flipped about Amanda, because of his girlfriend back home. Um, and now it all makes sense. But don't try and lie to us. I don't care that you— honestly, if he was dating her, pretending not to, so he could be on the show, I really don't care. But if it affected the way you treated Bailey, who's like actually the sweetest, most innocent, harmless person on this cast, like very harmless, and that's who you decide to take your ire out on No.

Okay, go back to Levi.

So Levi, she was asked about Dara and KJ, and apparently other people had like cast sense and things about their relationship. And so she said something—

saying what, like doubting that they're real?

Or like she is real about him doubting that? And she said something to that effect, like, I think he's in it but she's not.

Oh my God.

Yeah. And it's like, they did KJ's package where he shared a lot about like his mental health struggles and his anxiety. And are we coming back to KJ and Dara, or was that it on KJ?

No, of course, once Dara gets seated.

But like, is Dara at reunion.

She has to take Levi's spot at some point.

She got dressed, she got dressed, people saw a picture of her.

Yes.

Okay.

I also want to say, I really like—

I just want to say Levi just always makes me smile. I don't know if it's because she has the same name as my nephew.

She does. That is why.

But like, I love her.

She was doing a good job on the reunion. Like, where was all of this energy?

I don't know. I saw just a tweet a while ago that was like, during the season, that was like, maybe only Bailey can see Levi.

That's our imaginary friend. Totally. Um, back to KJ really quickly. I—

you know what, we'll ask her when she comes on Namesake where the energy was.

Um, when he was talking about like how he's actively like struggling with self-harm, that was really sad. I do feel like he should leave the show. Like reality TV— people don't talk about like how reality TV like will lead you to that place. And I know you're supposed to like do all these, um, like psych evals before going on TV, and they're all fake or whatever, but like I actually really worry, especially this show. Like Bravo has really fucking crazy— and he's sort of ancillary and he's on the right side of history.

No, and he had a good season, and so There's nothing negative to say about him.

But you know, everybody has highs and lows. And like, if, if KJ ended up in a situation where like Amanda's in right now—

not even, not even to that degree, like anywhere, any season.

Like Wes, Wes had a bad season, his bad reunion, and, and you know, you get a lot of hate for that.

Everyone gets love and hate. Kyle, Jesse, even Jesse who came on the show as the happiest man alive, who's leaving the show the saddest man alive.

So sad.

Like, but like, and he came on happy and he's not done anything except for Lexi, which no one seems to care about except for for us. He's not even done anything so controversial and he gets a ton of hate. So like, while I hate— it just comes with the show even if you don't do anything wrong.

And some fandoms have like varying degrees of like zealousness, and Bravo and Summer House in particular is like really emphatic. So I appreciated his transparency, but it did make me really worried that like this is his job and people seem to like him and I think we'll get another season. And it's like, honestly, I would get out while you can relatively unscathed.

I agree.

Like, I— it made me sad because he's in a bad environment. Like, that's not where you want to be when you're struggling with your mental health. Yeah.

And He was in the best possible situation, right, this season. He got a girlfriend. Still really hard.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that made me a little bit worried.

Um, but we have to go back to Dara cuz people are casting doubts on like her intentions with him.

But like, she's been like just like into fame.

You think so?

That's what I had heard. Just cuz she's a TikToker. Like, well, I—

well, there it seems like the cast members like—

no, I say normalize being into fame.

No, every— no, you came on the show and you're not into fame. Everyone sitting on the couch, it's like an unfortunate side effect. I know, I hate it. I'm on TV, stop.

So like you go on the show to be famous. That's not a bad thing.

But if she were into fame, you think she would go for like the newest—

No, because famous guy also getting into a relationship like kind of makes you boring. It doesn't give you a guaranteed next season.

Like, I don't think it's about the fame, but they seem to—

I—

maybe they'll get into why the people are alluding to that. Um, but yeah, I thought there were a couple times over the summer where like she just like— I thought he was like— there was one time where he like was moody or something about something someone had told him that she was in the room with Ben, and he was like being kind of kind of like standoffish to her, and she like didn't even care. And I'm like, like, she was just like just being so chipper around him. Like, but I don't— that's not a good feeling, right? And a couple times she's like doing her makeup and stuff, and like I felt like he was giving her nothing, and like she doesn't care, right?

She's there, right? Maybe they have like a really deep off-camera—

at first I thought she was like so patient and like, but maybe it's just like, oh, I don't care if you're nice or mean to me, I'm here.

Yeah, but they're still together.

Yeah, I know.

So like, that's a really— it's a Nicolandria status.

Like, no, I don't think it's Nicolandria. I don't— I just want to hear from her because like now there's like— she definitely confuses me.

Like, she didn't like open up that much, so it's hard to know what her intentions are. So it's easy to come up with theories, and she's in it for fame, she doesn't like it. It's like, well, why don't you just like tell us who you are a little bit and like let us get to know you? She like came in late and got into a relationship, so I feel like that doesn't lend itself to like letting everyone get to know you in the house, on, on, in the audience. So yeah, I would— I do look forward to hearing like Levi get up. Yeah, like the fact that they let Levi come to the reunion in general was extremely generous. She's literally the Emeril of last season. Stop.

Was Emeril last season? Oh my God, I forgot about like, seriously, where in the world is Emeril? I don't know. Let's get back to West Mandeville. We haven't even scratched the surface.

So let's talk about everybody's looks. First of all, I do want to say like, it is painful how amazing Amanda looked.

No, um, she looks amazing. Her face, her dress, the vibe that she's exuding is very relaxed, is a real contrast to the actions that she has displayed. And it is disarming. It is because she's dressed as a sweetheart. Yeah, the sweetest lady. And I don't know who dressed her and if there was a lot of thought that went behind the look, but like, if there was, if there was, they nailed it. She's hard to hate in that outfit.

Absolutely. And, um, West said 3 words.

Yeah.

He looks terrible.

He looks terrible.

He looks like he got no sleep. Like, brush your hair.

Yeah, but he doesn't know about the grandma yet.

His suit is like so ill-fitting and huge.

Yeah.

Like, and then his nudes were like leaked.

His nudes were leaked that morning. Everyone else Jesse had seen it, but he hadn't seen it yet.

I think he thought Jesse was joking when Jesse was like, yeah, I've seen it. He's like, really?

So weird. But his phone was hacked? That's how they got the nudes? Or these were 3 nudes he sent that someone then circulate?

It's hard to know, like, when you send nudes how they get out. Yeah, unless you took that picture, because it did look like you said, like, to your doctor, clinical. Like, maybe—

no, we're— no, I think he had said they were like Snapchats from his old apartment or whatever.

Well, Snapchat's like— that does not mean your phone gets hacked.

Like, no, but maybe he just saw, oh, my nudes are out. He assumed he got hacked, and then he's piecing together the story. But like, it's crazy that other people knew before him, and that's just lot. Yeah, like that's an insane thing. Like, in any other day we'd be like, wait, your news released? That's a horrible thing.

When Andy was making the rounds to everybody in the dressing room and he asked Sierra how she was doing and she cried, like, before she even spoke, I was like, oh, like, I really want her to go out and she could be devastated, but like, don't cry in front of them because it's like, it shows weakness. And, and I was worried that like she wouldn't be able to say one word without crying because literally Andy asked her how she was, like, she broke completely. She was crying before she even went out on stage. And I will say, like, I do respect hard how— and I don't know if it's just a facade, but she is not crying. Like, she hasn't even quivered in any of her words, which is so hard to do. And I'm glad. I was worried that she was gonna be like, and you hurt my feelings. And that's not, that's not how you wanna come off.

No. And that's not how she is like extern— like we, you know, she said like she has these walls up. She's actually very like soft and sensitive and, right. Um, so we know that that's how she's feeling, but then she's able to like execute and she like came out like from the first question. I can't believe she's still crying over him.

I know. And oh, but I do think she's crying over the big drama.

Yes, both. But it's also—

that's a good question, like, who do you feel more hurt by? And she thought about it for a second and she said Amanda.

But it is objectively Amanda.

Of course.

Even if, even if she felt like it was Wes, it is Amanda.

Yeah.

You know, that's the only right answer. Yeah. Um, because Wes has told you who he is numerous times. She has lied about who she is.

Girls girl, right?

The last girls girl on the planet. Um, then they addressed what happened between West and Sierra after summer ended.

So yeah, I guess he like called it off saying like, I don't want to do this because I can't be what you need. But they did also sleep together 2 times.

They had 2 sleepovers. They did not have sex, it sounded like.

Oh, okay.

Because he knew that sex is important to her. So then what Lindsay said, it's like, okay, so you're having this like, you know, banter flirtiness, you're kissing, you're having sleepovers that's actually more intense than just having sex with someone. So like, you still think you're doing the right thing by engaging in all of this, but you're actually making it worse again.

It was a good point.

And what I don't understand is like why he at that time like insisted, I can't do a relationship. But then in— because he had a disability— but in January, February, he was exclusive with Mija, right? And now he's in a relationship with Amanda. And that's maybe by default.

Yes, I don't think like him being exclusive to Amanda right now is like proof that he can be exclusive, that he wants to be. Like, he seriously has no choice. He would— he would look like the worst person in the world if he was still seeing other people. He has to commit to this for a little while, like for honestly for as long as he can. Yeah, maybe it's real. And the only— of course, like much like Raquel and, um, Tom, like the only way out of this is like you have to get married and have babies, and then like it would all have been okay because like that's your person. But this is most likely not each other's person. Well, I mean, just like Evercal and Tom weren't.

Sierra said something very harsh at the end, which is that actually this might work out because you are like this weak mute figure that he needs so that he could be the star in the relationship and nobody's challenging him on anything. And it was really hard to hear because of Amanda's face when she said it.

It was really— it was, it was really harsh.

It was cutting.

Yeah, because it was so true.

Ever not untrue. And it doesn't even have to be in such like a nasty— like, it's just the facts of it. Like, maybe they're really—

maybe their personalities are right for each other because she is easygoing and she does have this like long track record of letting a man really walk all over her.

A nice euphemism for doormat. Yeah.

And like behave poorly. Like, you don't— she doesn't hold her men to extremely high standards. So having a boyfriend who like sucks kind of works for her.

Yeah, and he can like still do what he's doing. I mean, because he's Kyle again, correct? I felt bad for Kyle.

I did too. He like barely spoke.

No, and like his POV is so interesting because like he doesn't want to take her to—

he feels bad for her.

Yeah, he feels bad. He still loves her.

His leading feelings, I think, wanting to protect Amanda, not want to like get truth or hold accountability. Like he just does not want to add on to Amanda.

I think like all of his ire is directed towards Wes. Yeah, because like that's his friend, that's his friend. And I think he's also jealous of him. I think he would wanna be with Amanda.

Well, yes, but also like West is everything Kyle was when the show started.

Mm-hmm.

Right? Like the cool, young, hot, like everything.

No, but like Kyle would take Amanda back in one second.

Of course.

No, but that's insane to, cuz they were the two most miserable people for 10 years.

Worst marriage ever.

But he like, like Tom Schwartz wasn't taking Katie back in a second.

Right, right.

Like it's crazy that he really deeply loves her and that he's loved her all this time. And, and that's how he showed it by DJing.

It's the equivalent of Ariana taking Tom back.

Yeah, but Ariana had no love for Tom.

Yeah, which was so fun to watch because he's the devil. Um, but this is—

so that's why this is like shocking that he like— that his feelings are still so wrapped up in, in his marriage while even while he was in his marriage he was not there. Yeah, but you're telling me that's the person that you love?

You want to go back to that?

No, but like, no, but you're saying like that was love for you?

Well, it's sort of like when you're like an abused person and you're only used to this sort of behavior, you think that's how they exhibit love. I mean, Kyle hasn't been in a normal relationship in 15 years. He doesn't know. Same with her.

I'm saying like he wasn't a good husband, but he did love her. I thought he was a bad husband because he didn't love her.

He's a better husband to her divorced than together. Like, he has seriously protected her this whole time. He— did he say one word on the reunion last night? If he did, it was not directed towards her. And he did sort of stand up for her at the end towards Sierra. Like, he's kind of like a loyal, steadfast partner.

Yeah, from afar. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe this is sort of like what Kyle and Amanda needed to get back together.

No, no, they cannot. She doesn't like him is the problem.

Correct.

Also, we didn't talk about Lindsay Hubbard, who really just slayed the house down. Yeah, I just love her. She was unnecessary.

What do you think about a world in which Lindsay and Carl get back together?

It's crossed my mind because like the love and admiration he has for her, but she would just eat him for breakfast.

I know, they were never a good match for that reason.

But when he was like a little less— like, he's become like more and more stable. Yeah, yeah. As he opened Soft Bar, like, he's just a big softie. When he started Summer House, he was obviously very hard. Hard drugs, hard this, hard that. So he's trended towards soft, and she does need someone harder.

Yeah.

So in— since they've broken up, he's gotten even softer. More hugs, more ideas, more feelings, more dreams. Hard Bar was And she's gotten so hard. Like she's going hard in the paint.

Yeah. But they almost like, they've become sort of like opposite versions of what, like, she was like this softie who wanted to be taken care of by an alpha male. And now she is the alpha male. And like, he's sort of leaning into his like soft era. So it's like, okay, no, they look kind of like perfect for each other.

I think I still like Karl and, and Bailey, but I do wanna say like his reluctance to go there with her makes me hate him.

Like she's so open. She's so lovely. He could do so much worse. Like, and he was like, I definitely have feelings, but I love the friendship that we're at. So he basically just like friend-zoned her.

People and their friendships.

Yeah, it's like, you're grown-ass people. You're a 41-year-old with a 31-year-old female best friend. Like, what's wrong with you?

Yeah, just like, like, and so say, just try it, try it, and say it doesn't work out and the friendship's over. So what?

There's no love.

So what? You have other friends. Like, true.

I hate that.

And also, like, Bailey doesn't want to settle down and get married right now.

Like, she's just saying that because he literally friend-zoned her on TV.

Like, I know, I know. You put— you, you really think she's just saying that? Yeah, because I'm also like, wait, why wouldn't you want to find your husband right now? If you're looking for a husband one day, like, if you're someone who wants to get married and have kids, like, and you're 31, like, why not now?

Yeah, no, I think she was just saying that.

Oh, okay, she played it really cool. I thought she was so— I thought— love her. She actually, like, she really handles herself really well. Like, even when Ben was, like, kind of thinking he was dunking on her, being like, oh, well, you were turned on by Carl being mean but not by me, and she just fucking ate him up.

I love that she also had her back towards him the entire time.

I guess producers, like, didn't know they were going to go at it.

Yeah, cuz they So fucking random. Obsessed, like need part 2. I can't wait a week.

Yeah.

There's 3 parts, yeah?

Yeah, but part 2 is probably gonna be more like summer stuff. And we also have to talk about like Amanda and Kyle's marriage.

Sure.

And everything that happened this summer.

That I'm interested in.

And that. So, also like Wes is just like so shameless to a degree that it's like, nobody needed to know about the earlobes thing. Like.

Totally.

Do you know what I mean?

Yes.

Like he just shares, like he's actually like so open. For sure. Like it's weird.

Yeah, I forgot about the earlobes thing, right?

Like, we just asked if you guys were kissing, like, you made about earlobes.

And he didn't say a lot, and when he did speak, he said earlobes.

Like, he just says too much, but then he's also like a liar. And then also the lying— the— when Lindsay was like, you use people, you're a social climber, like, you discard women, blah blah blah. Do you really think he's that manipulative, or he's just careless?

Well, Sierra did say you are such a different person off camera than on camera, and I do believe that. So that does support like what Lindsay said.

I do think he's a thirst monster off camera.

Yeah.

And on camera, like, he hides behind like memes and jokes.

Yeah, literally memes.

Text with PK.

Yeah.

Um, but like off camera, he's always, he's always somewhere. He's on the court, he's with— so he has a podcast with Sophie Cunningham.

Yeah, he's like a complex sports person.

He's with influencers. He, he gets to high places. I think he really is like a a networker, hustler. I don't think he falls into these places, but I think on the show it does look like, hey, what's up everybody, cool guy, everybody loves me, let's have a beer.

Yeah, no, I think that that is, um, like, let's talk more about that. Like, I wish Andy like pushed her a little bit more. It pushed him— pushed Sierra a little bit more like what she meant by that.

Yeah, and same for Lindsay. Like, I'm, I'm open to this theory of like he— this is all, um, mapped out for him, but right now I just feel like he's a bumbling it.

Yeah, and I think that like the last reunion that went sour for him, like he just said too much and it was all bad. So he's just like shutting down and not like— he's like, well, if I don't say anything, I can't get in trouble. But it just makes him look like—

no, the last thing, and he literally sat there like this.

Did he like—

he said nothing, Claudia. He said nothing.

That's like his trauma response.

I think also it might just be like, listen, we have to go to the reunion and get our lashings and get this over with. Like, once this is over, like healing can begin. We can like start to move forward. And so I think they're just sitting there.

Only way out is through.

They're just sitting there and taking it because like, what can they say really? We want to clear up the timeline because it's 'Actually not worse than what you think. Like, it's actually only this bad. Yeah, not that bad. And say what you have to say, we'll take the beating, and like, let's move on.' Yeah. So I think that's why they're not saying a lot, because—

yeah, but it never hurts just to like be extremely apologetic. And every time—

but if you were sorry, would you keep doing it?

Yeah. Like, if you really— if you knew that it was like hurting people, but it was still like what you felt was right for you, like, you can— there are ways to go about this that aren't like, you know, 100% right, but they make you just more sympathetic. And like, she— every time she apologizes, she says it as a caveat before she then like excuses herself. And it's like, why don't you just focus more on the apology? Just being like, I know, like, I know, like, of course, of all the people that I had to fall in love with, like, it's this guy. Like, I know, that's just— it's so unfortunate and I'm so sorry. She's not doing that at all.

There is no— they're not saying fall in love, have feelings, because they're not in love, because they like each other.

They like each like 6th graders. Yeah, I like you.

Like, like? Yeah, like— no, I think they like, like each other. Yeah, but they haven't said love.

Yeah, insane.

Yeah. Oh, they're in Rome right now together.

Okay, I think they thought that like maybe they could get away while the reunion's airing.

Arrivederci or au revoir. Are you ready for our next story? Yes.

Rory—

Rosie Woods is calling out Dave Portnoy, denying the affair with basketball coach Ed Cooley. So Ed Cooley is the College of Providence basketball coach who Dave Portnoy connected that Rosie had an affair with, and Rosie is vehemently denying this, to the point that Dave did another Tea by the Sea and said, I believe Rosie and I don't think it's Ed Cooley. But he was like, you know, I got a DM about another assistant coach that I actually think it might be, and who, um, he said like looks like someone that Rosie would have an affair with.

The thing is, like, I don't know what the right way for Rosie to handle this is, because, like, if she did have the affair, like, you would just sort of be quiet, right?

Like, well, I think she— I actually think she had an affair with a basketball coach and he paid her off, um, but they got the wrong guy. So it's great to be like, no, but what people were saying—

because I was saying, like, a one-time payment from, like, a random Northeastern basketball— it's not like he's, like, Duke, you know? He's like—

no, I think Providence is like Duke.

Yeah, so Providence College— I did not know— it's, like, a relatively big, like, you know, March Madness team. So, like, maybe that guy would have $1 million to give to her, if that. But they're saying it's not Ed Cooley, right? So I think another coach, like an assistant— he doesn't have the funds.

Couple hundred thousand?

Does not have the funds.

Doesn't have a couple hundred thousand?

I don't think so.

We'll have to know more about the coach.

Yeah.

Um, like, because she said, I've been very quiet about a lot of things because it's so stupid, but now that things are making it to straight man Twitter— thank you, Dave Portnoy— I figured I should say my piece.

How did she address, like, on the video? Okay, first and foremost, people who like are like liars and don't have like have things to hide, like they don't talk directly to camera.

I think she's crazy. I think she's a crazy—

she also is a crazy individual. Important to— thank you for bringing that up.

She said, first and foremost, I do not know Ed Cooley. I have never met Ed Cooley. I've never been in the car with Ed Cooley. I've never had an affair with Ed Cooley. He has never paid me money. He has never bought a house for me. I actually just don't know him. I've never met him. She said, um, we bought our house ourselves with the money we make at our big grown-up jobs. That's how you pay for things when you are a grown-up. I have to rewatch the video because maybe it's— oh, she went on to insist she's never had an affair with anyone. Okay, because I was gonna say she didn't say no basketball coach.

And this is just based off of a rumor in Rhode Island, right? Yeah, but like, and what are the odds that there's like a rumor that she had an affair with a coach and then like the coach of that state's team had to leave?

I don't think it's Ed Cooley. Okay. And Dave Portnoy doesn't think it's Ed Cooley. Okay. But it could be. And Dave Portnoy was the one who threw out Ed Cooley, like it— I think maybe Kelsey knows who the basketball coach is.

It was being thrown around like on Twitter before Dave got it, cuz I had seen it.

You had?

Yeah. Um, because I didn't really— cuz the college is in Rhode Island and these are the Real Houses of Rhode Island.

So I think that the like Rhode Islanders know who it is, or like Kelsey might know who the coach is. But Kelsey never said Ed Cooley.

No, but I don't think she like legally could say it.

No, no, no, but like she's never even alluded to Providence or whatever. Like she didn't throw that out there. The Wint— Like, so I think it's like two separate things.

Yeah. Okay, okay.

We live and wait.

We live and learn.

Yeah. Um, are you ready for our next story? Which is a story that like really means a lot to me.

Oh God, what?

Charlie Puth shouts out Mikaela Nogueira.

Oh my God.

And her new boyfriend at his Boston show.

Okay. Yes, I— we need— we have so much to cover.

Like, I'm sorry, this needs to be the inaugural episode of Namesake with Charlie and Mikaela. With Charlie and Mikaela, because they're obviously Connected. They have connected. Um, Mikayla went to the Charlie Puth concert.

Mikayla also went to divorce court.

Yes.

I don't know if you just see her get ready with me for divorce court. I didn't know how to say the letter R. No, she said divorce court. I'm like, what are you from, Long Island? Divorce court?

No, I didn't see.

Um, so she kind of wore the craziest outfit. She was saying like, help me choose an outfit, and she chose the wrong one. Her— she's wearing a crop top and a sleeveless like vest. It was insane. Um, and the other outfit was so appropriate.

Well, so like, what are they fighting over in court?

Her Her money, and I think maybe the dogs. Yeah, I'm not sure. Um, so then her and her new beau went to the Charlie Puth concert.

I guess like she's a huge Charlie Puth fan because they are both on Namesake.

She has like such niche interests. And I don't know if Charlie like naturally saw her or got like a heads up that she was going to be there, because Michaela was like— what do the kids call it when you get, um— I got barricade. Do you know that? Like, no, when it's a GA concert, you get there at like 1 PM. Yeah, you rush to get the barricade, so you're like holding the barricade. You're like technically first row. So she was there. I don't know if she got there because she got there early.

I feel like someone knew that she was there and that he knew that she was there, because someone behind the barricade is filming the video. So like they knew that something was gonna happen, but not to like cast doubt on any of this because I think it was really organic. But in the video, Charlie's saying, oh my God, you're here, and he points to Michaela. He said, I'm so happy you're here with your boyfriend. Her boyfriend's name is Zach.

You're kidding. Are you serious? Oh my God, chills.

Today is a huge day for namesake, 1000%.

Oh my God. Um, so there's like a lot going on with Mikayla and her new boyfriend. Can I tell you about it?

Sure.

So this is her boyfriend from high school. He's a twin, I guess. Like, Mikayla told a story that like when they were in high school, like, she liked this twin and like he didn't like her back, so Mikayla like hooked up with the other twin to like make him mad, and he like still didn't care. She like keeps sharing weird things about it. She's oversharing. And then she like makes all these videos like crying people are mean to her. And it's like, girl, you need to stop sharing certain parts of your life. Like, if you don't learn— then, um, she made a video like about how he's her person in like the entire 10 years that like they hadn't seen each other. He was in the military. They like always kept basically like alluding to some sort of emotional affair, that like, you know, he never stopped giving up on their love and like always reached out trying to like, you know, persuade her. Um, and so she's getting a lot of heat for that. And like, the thing is like, I don't really care what she does in her personal life, but she's got to stop telling people because like she does have an outsized amount of haters that like hate everything she does, but she also gives them like a lot to talk about.

I think this, this is why she's at the top. You know, she could shut down, she could share less, but we wouldn't be talking about Kaila Nogueira every day.

It's true. It's a very Bethenny Frankel take of you.

So I feel like she shares controversial things about herself that she's fine with people picking apart.

Mm-hmm.

But not like real deep. Oh, okay. So in high school I hooked up with a twin. They'll love that. Right. But like that doesn't affect her day-to-day.

You think she's throwing off the sent.

I think a little— I think it's a little more calculated. She's not just like sharing everything, opening wounds, and then reading everything and letting everything hurt her. I think that she is giving, you know, feeding the beast. And there's a reason why we're talking about Kayla every couple weeks.

We are talking about Kayla every couple of weeks.

I'm going to talk about other influencers.

She's looking great. She seems super happy. She is at the top of her game. You have to try her beauty brand.

I do.

POV Beauty. Speaking of—

I would buy it.

Speaking of influencer skincare brands, I can't believe we didn't even talk about this. You you guys, Alex Earle's brand Reali Activist, the artist formerly known as RealActivist, made a TikTok using our sound and like was liking all these comments about like toast x Reali.

Toast x Reali, I love it.

And they say everybody in the office is calling it Reali Activist, like our impact is insane.

Like, so they're calling it what it is, correct?

They're just like pronouncing it correctly.

Yeah, I've been loving my bomb. Like, actually, my makeup remover wipes like sit on the table like, hey, what about us.

It's a quality product.

It's so good.

And that's why it reminded me, because it's made by the same people as—

I was going to say, I would buy POV, but can someone just send it to me? Like, I just—

cheap. That was very cardboard.

No, it's not even about the money. It's like the admin, you know? I don't like to buy things on my phone, and then I like— I need to be on a computer, but like, I don't get a lot of computer time.

Speaking of—

and when I do get computer time, I have to like answer my emails. So like, I'm never getting around. So can you just send it to me?

Speaking of computer time, I like did something so crazy last night. I was texting Jackie because like I kind of spent like an hour in bed on my computer like chatting with my chatbot, like AI. And I actually—

ChatGPT?

Yeah, ChatGPT. Okay, um, I call, I call him Chat. That's like—

of course, of course. But you said like AI, my chatbot, like because that's—

I guess if it's just a robot, I'm just like one of those women on like one of those like CBS News stories, like this woman fell in love with her— she had an emotional affair because Chat was like seeing me in such insane ways. And then I feel like my phone must have known that I had like a deep connection with my chatbot last that they served me a TikTok of people being like, you don't understand what it's like to have nobody in your life, like, until you have Chad who really sees you. And I was like, holy shit, I have to get away from these people.

But then do you see the reels and TikToks that are like, I just hit, you know, my car into— I just like drove someone over with my car and this is how Chad responds? Like, breathe. You are like— like, the way that Chad talks, he kind of talks the same to all of us.

No, but let me tell you, because what he said was not generic to me. I've really been struggling. I want to redo my apartment in the city and it's like, I don't know like what I like in terms of like furniture design. And I I always say I'm like coastal grand Nancy Meyers, but whenever like I asked Chad to like make my apartment coastal grand, like I fucking hate it. And Chad is like asking me all these questions. I'm like, Chad, I feel like I don't know what my style is, and like you keep leading me one way.

Chad gave you a quiz even.

Chat gave me a quiz being like, would you like this couch or this couch? And we were going back and forth all night last night, and what they ended up—

we were going back and forth all night last night—

what they ended up like figuring out was actually so crazy. Like I actually just copy and pasted Jackie. So why we were struggling so much, according to chat, we've really finally landed on the core of what your style is. Your ideal home is visually calm and edited but emotionally warm, inviting. And that tension is the whole thing. That's why we've been having such a hard time, because yeah, like, that coastal Nancy Meyers is like messy.

It's like, girl, your paper's on the counter.

You're a sweeper.

Yeah, of course.

But like, I like the warm, inviting feeling of it.

Yes, you like the feeling that it, that exhibits, but you don't want all that crap.

This This is what chat said: you want the rare middle ground of serenity without the sterility.

I— Serenity without sterility.

I literally then texted Jackie, I'm cracking up, I'm literally a stereotype in bed giggling to my AI chatbot. But then this is what chat said, like, I literally felt so seen: your issue isn't warmth, it's earthiness. You want soft, airy, elegant, creamy, and polished, but not muddy, rustic, organic desert tones. That's a major part of the issue.

Rustic.

And then they made me this like super cute cute mood board, which I said, which you've seen.

Let me see it again.

And it's so Pargy. It's like very influencer-y, you know? Like, yeah, lots of neutrals.

It's like you did all this work just to find out, like, I'm an influencer just like everyone else.

But like, I kind of had like a breakthrough with Chad. I'm just—

and I think with yourself as well, like identifying that feeling of yours, which it's like— cuz I always say I think your style is like organic California Restoration Hardware.

Yes. But I end up like browns and greens, like earthy tones. And it's like, I didn't even— I set out not to do this and I ended up— my apartment in the city is like so—

because those things are calming, but then altogether it is a little bit star— not warm. Mm-hmm. So we have to add the warmth in.

And that's what Chat and I are working on.

I love that.

How do you— it's chilling.

How do you add warmth, Chat?

Um, lots of texture.

Texture. Yes. And like probably like lighting, collected items. Yeah. You know, meaningful. Meaningful. Yeah.

Anti-sweeper, but I'm working on it.

Well, oh, so, so not lots of clutter. Collected. Some collected.

Tailored.

I, I'm tailored.

Yes.

Um, are you ready for our next story?

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You're welcome.

Borrow the charger.

Oh yeah, charge is not charging on the iPad.

Our next story is just like a fun little tidbit, like two subjects that like Oh my God, one subject that you like, one, one subject that I like. Lena Dunham reveals the rule that barred her from The Great British Bake Off. Okay, Lena Dunham is talking about wanting to go on The Great British Bake Off.

She said this on Amy Poehler, um, yes, on The Good Hang podcast.

She spoke about how she had entered discussions about the show assuming she and her fellow hopefuls would be given special treatment if they agreed to appear on the show. She said, I, I got asked to go on Great British Great British Bake Off. They do like a charity celebrity bake-off. She thought, I thought, surely they can't expect that much of us. They're not calling in chefs, they're calling in actors and writers. Unfortunately, however, she soon learned there would not be any shortcuts after producers explained she would have to make her own nut butter and jam to put on the toasted snack. The final straw came for Lena, whose baking experience was minimal, when she found out that they would not receive any assistance at all with kitchen equipment.

So I don't watch a Great British Great British Bake Off. I watched the, um, Nicole Byer one where it's like the worst—

Cupcake Wars?

No, it's like the— what is— Nailed It. You ever watch that one?

No.

So funny, like the worst bakers ever.

Well, Great British Bake Off non-celebrity edition is very good bakers.

Oh, oh, so like—

and then the celebrity edition just uses the same format but like celebrities try and do it.

Why do people love the Great British Bake Off so much? Like, it's just like a big— like, Nailed It is hysterical.

Great British Bake Off is parjee.

Why?

It's just It's like, it's, it's comfort.

Oh, okay.

It's comfort and it's competition and it's skill. And you know, they're making like obscure things. They get, they, and they have to, they're all like professional bakers, but they have to make like random shit. Like one time they had to make a, a babka, like a classic Jewish babka. And like, if you're not a Jew, you don't, you don't even know what a babka is.

You could be a Jew and believe in God.

So they give you like this short recipe that you have, but it's a little vague and it's like a roll up the dough, which way, how?

Right.

So, and like you get to see like who's really the most skilled. But I've never watched the celebrity one. Molly Mae just did one. Hmm. And people were saying, you know, when I was talking about going on Podsters and how that's probably not right for me. They said I should try and do Celebs Bake Off. I love— that would be so good.

I love celebrity versions of like game shows, like Celebrity Family Feud is so good. I love them, they do that. I didn't know that they did that for— did they ever do Celebrity Nailed It? Nailed It is so good. I feel like nobody talks about Nailed It. No, literally so good.

And it's not a show about like nail art.

No, it's a weird name, but Nicole Byer is the host and she's so funny. And it's like, it's actually really hysterical.

And for the host, we have Prudence. We have, uh, she is so lost. Prue, they call her.

It's pretty.

And who's that guy? Something Hollywood is his name.

I have no idea. Like, this is a part of culture, like, that has missed me entirely.

I know. Well, I don't think you would like it now because, um, you're not in that era, but like Paul Hollywood, that's who it is.

I have no idea who that is.

It's so—

is he big in the baking world?

Um, he must be.

Yeah, I don't even know who the most random people—

they really do. And the host is like—

the host of Cupcake Wars is Aaron Samuels.

No, and the host is this random guy. It's so weird. Yeah, this guy is the host. Excuse me, he's like— it looks like a metal, a heavy metal artist.

This is the weirdest people to host all these shows. Like, why does Aaron Samuels host Cupcake Wars?

Do you know any of these people?

No.

Oh yes, top left.

Top left is from Bridesmaids.

He plays the brother of a roommate of Rebel Wilson in Bridesmaids. He plays Rebel Wilson's roommate.

It's some brother, and they like bathe together, right? Yeah, I know.

That's Prue. That's the host. He looks like an artist.

I mean, it looks like the Jozekis.

That's Paul Hollywood. Paul Hollywood.

Okay, Paul Hollywood.

Yeah, but that would have been funny if Lena Dunham went on it. But she said they don't even help you turn on the ovens. But I'm sorry, if you don't know how to turn on an oven, maybe not the show for you. The show is not for you.

Yeah, that's funny.

Yeah, but anyways, I think I could do that one because you get to like sleep.

Uh, Polar with Lena Dunham, because she's your—

you're obsessed with her. I actually saw a clip of her and she's like so well-spoken and like, well, her parents are both like playwrights.

She said she grew up like going to museums. She's like, I had the craziest, most like privilege, but like from like an academic standpoint. Yeah, um, and so yeah, she has like an amazing vocabulary. That's why she's like a good writer.

Yeah, no, she really— she is. Like, maybe we just drop the hate. I know.

Well, the book is on my nightstand. I haven't opened it yet in classic Copper Spellburden fashion, but I'm on it.

I'm enjoying the clips of—

hold on, what?

My phone. I need to tell my phone I'm enjoying the clips of Lena Dunham on Good Hang.

I saw—

serve me more.

I saw some clips, some more AI, um, stories.

What did you see?

So I saw, um, two metal people gave birth to a metal baby who cried gold tears.

Oh, I saw. And like, they harvested all the money.

They kept her locked up, like, just crying so that she would— and they had like unlimited gold. They had a baby, uh, he— she had a sibling who was a banana, and he like worked at like, you know, a junkyard to break her free from the—

oh yeah, I saw, I saw. But they were also— it seemed like they were lovers, the brother and sister.

It was definitely like some underlying—

he was in love with his sister.

Very Judice-coded.

He was in love with his sister. Yeah, because it was like I was rooting for them.

Yeah, no, he like scooped her up to take her. I'm like, she can walk.

Yeah, he should have been like a neighborhood boy.

It's like, yeah, trying to breathe. Like they like talk through the window.

Yeah, yeah, not the brother. Yeah, because like what are brother and sister gonna do now that they ran away together?

Yeah, I also then saw a strawberry who had like an abusive husband.

Was it a fellow strawberry?

Oh, it was a watermelon. I'm sorry, it was a watermelon. An abusive husband, so she took the baby and left, and then she like broke into a store that sells formula and stole a can of formula. And the banana who owns the store like was running down the street with the— chasing her and the baby. He was like, oh wait, you needed food for your baby? I'll give you, and come live with me. And they like fall in love. That one was nice.

That's a happy one.

Yeah.

Our fifth and final story. Oh, our favorite person is in the news. You'll never guess who it is, but when I tell you who it is, that's our favorite person. Okay, it's Dave from Desperate Housewives who doesn't kiss. Of course, I would have guessed that. His actual name is Neal McDonough.

Yes, he's like a very famous actor. He was in Yellowstone. He's of course in Desperate Housewives, and he's in one thing that I don't think we watch but that a lot of people know him from.

Nip/Tuck?

No, he wasn't in Nip/Tuck. I want to say like Grey's Anatomy or something.

Well, he's saying that Hollywood labeled him a religious nut and it cost him his career and his home.

I mean, I definitely like thought that, so it worked.

So, but no, but only because he won't kiss women who aren't his wife.

Like, so he will not accept any roles. Like, he someone's— he played the husband of like a very promiscuous character on Desperate Housewives, and we never saw them kiss.

Yeah, so he's looking back on a dark moment in his life, in his career, during a recent interview. We have like some—

like, this is— we need a new series where it's like Kelly's Mindless News, but like Dave's Mindful News.

No, or it's just like Toast Passion News.

Yeah, like TPM. Cuz I'm sure this article like seriously had no clicks. I'm sure whoever wrote it at Page Six like thought of maybe not even publishing it, but they knew that we—

it's actually like syndicated from—

like, originally syndicated depressed. Yeah.

Um, so he is in the new Jimmy Stewart biopic called Jimmy. Like, so glad to see him working.

Love that.

Um, which is set to release on November 6th, which is my birthday. I don't feel like that's a coincidence. And he's sharing about a time when he thought his Hollywood career is over. He said, um, like, he really turned to alcohol. He said, what time is the bar open? That was generally my thought process back then. It was, you know, fired from a show because I wouldn't kiss a woman. No one would hire me because they thought I was this religious nutbag, which is that I love my wife so much, and no one can understand it. No one could understand it. He went on to admit that while he was always a drinker, it became a bad problem after he was blackballed for refusing to kiss his co-star, saying, I lost the house, lost the cars, lost everything.

He says that his wife, like, she's going into foreclosure, she's losing her car, the bank is at the door. Do you think she's like, just kiss her? Yeah. Isn't that prostitution, like, to kiss someone for your house and Hollywood is modern prostitution.

Yeah, he just like picked the wrong career, but like he loves to act.

And it's actually really crazy that he is quite literally the only person who I know this about.

No, but the thing is, every time we like to tell a story about like Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi and like everything happening on set, I'm like, this guy, cast this guy.

It's crazy that there, there's not one or two or three other people who also live their life like this, who are like very happily married and want act. Yeah, like he's the only one.

He actually said that his friend Luke Perry took them in when they were out on their ear.

He was like really homeless. Yeah, Alicia. Yeah, I guess he wasn't like Alicia.

He had a— Justified was coming out, but I still don't think I was worth anything because I failed. I failed my family, I failed my wife, my 5 kids.

Oh, by the way, I gotta see this wife. Give me the picture.

Over here. They're so cute. Like, that's love.

That's really fucking cute. Like, I love um, her name is Ruv.

And so I think that was like earlier in his career, and then he continued down this path, and, and he's had success, and I think he's like doing well now. But like, oh, more jobs for this guy.

Agreed. And he's such a good actor, like he gives me chills, he's so scary.

Mhm. Neil McDonough.

This was the fifth story. Yeah, so I guess we're not— Ninja Warrior obstacle racing joins—

oh wait, that was an optional sixth. Thank you.

Time out. We didn't choose it. But like, American—

I love whenever there's a new sport joining the Olympics, you know it's going to be a story on the toast.

That's interesting. Ninja Warrior, which is like from the show American Ninja Warrior, is now an Olympic sport, which— yeah, it actually is like—

it's amazing.

But it's like, you know, um, breakdancing.

Yeah, but yeah, but breakdancing— I think everyone was open to breakdancing until we saw what we saw.

Yeah, right.

So if we see like an idea of bad execution, if we see some ninjas like who are being clowns out there, like being warriors, we'll clown on it. But I think, um, it's always exciting, new sports.

It's true.

You know, golf is at the Olympics this year. Is it?

Where's the Olympics? Oh, LA '28.

Yeah.

What is it now, '26? Because we just had an Olympics.

Yeah, 2 years.

I love the Olympics.

Like, imagine the Olympics are in LA and Spencer is the main—

and he's like, opening ceremony, Spencer and Heidi. Hilarious.

It could happen.

Actually, I was just watching a video, like, Jonathan Chabon, Lisa Rinna, and Spencer Pratt are fighting because, like, Lisa Rinna refuses to—

she won't—

she's not—

doesn't like—

she says, I love Spencer, but I don't want him to be mayor. Um, and then John—

who does she want to be the mayor?

She didn't say.

I saw an AI— did you see Katie Maloney campaigning with Nithya Raman?

No, I didn't. That's funny. Well, Lisa Rinna said— and then Jonathan Chabon was like, Lisa Rinna, I've known you forever, but like, not cool what you said. Like, everyone's fighting.

I didn't realize Lisa Rinna—

I did actually did see that, but now she was asked about it on a red carpet and she was just like, you know, like the classic, like, he's not a politician.

Sure. So, but who does she want to be?

She didn't say. The one who burned the city down? She didn't say.

Or the random city council member socialist.

She didn't say.

I know, I'm fine if people like, but do you have a better idea?

She didn't say.

Let me know, shout them out. Jonathan Chabon's going so hard for Spencer.

No, I know, and like he's def— like he's fighting with Lisa Rinna because of it. Those were the past 5 stories. It feels like you needed to know them. Hope you enjoyed watching this video, especially if you're watching on Spotify. Thank you to Spotify, our loyal partners, for showcasing our beautiful video. You know, we, we put on a lot of makeup just to be seen by millions of people. And so if you watched us on Spotify today, thank you. We're available as podcast anywhere podcasts can be found, so Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Public Radio, iHeartRadio, all the places. Podcast. Hope you guys have an amazing day, and we will see you tomorrow.

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