Transcript of The Belle of the Burden: Thursday, May 21st, 2026 New

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I sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast and happy Thursday. Hope everybody's having an amazing day. Just seriously amazing. Amazing day of Thursday. Think of amazing.

Oh, that's so sweet.

It's a girl who looks just amazing.

Oh my gosh, thank you.

What are you looking at? Nothing. Yes, you did. What'd you look at?

I literally did.

You looked at what, my shoulder, my shirt? You don't like my shirt? What'd you look at?

I didn't look at it. Yes, you did. I was really like focused on myself. No, no, you literally went like this. Do I mention the fact that I'm wearing a bun 2 days in a row? Do I mention it or do I not? You went like this.

If I looked at you like this, what would you do?

Okay, maybe I would question you, but if I did that, just know like maybe something's wrong with my eye because I, I don't know what that was. So now she has like an issue and I feel bad for making fun No, no. Like I literally didn't look at anything. I promise you. Cause I'd say it. I'd say what's on my heart.

I have something so crazy to tell you that I have been dying. I did. No, I'm being dead serious.

Okay. I'm really excited.

I didn't call you yesterday.

Let me drink first. Let me drink first so I don't spit out my water.

I didn't call you yesterday. I didn't tell you last night. I didn't tell you while we sat here for 10 minutes while we dilly-dallied for the show. Cause I wanted to tell you live and in living color that last night I did the craziest thing.

You started Copper's Bell Burden.

I started Copper's Bell Burden. I read about 100 pages. So like I'm there.

Okay. You're in.

Ben finished Remarkably Bright Creatures. Oh my God, he loved it so much. Like, I know it's like a, it was like a long thing, but I feel so— the whole point of this, we were talking about it, was because I chose a random book for my husband. He doesn't read. I know his interests. I tried to gage if he would like the book. He loved it. So things I did that I gotta pick another one, which will be hard. Mm-hmm. But we both read last night, So Mature, because I'm, I spent, I was so productive yesterday. Like we did Maj, and while I was devastated, I finally answered emails for the past month. I watched all of my programs. I'm caught up on Rory, so I had time to start Stranger's Bellbirden. I'm taking a stab at my Contemplate, and let me tell you, obviously I don't know where the book goes, but I'm in it now.

It hooks you from the beginning, 'cause the beginning starts in the middle.

Absolutely. And I just wanna say, if I ever see her fucking husband out in the streets, oh, it's on fucking sight. What a little shit. Now, I wanted to refrain from Googling, 'cause I'm dying to know who he actually is.

Oh, I never Googled him.

Oh, I'm dying to know.

I think he's just a businessman. You don't know him.

Well, I just wanted to like look up pictures and stuff.

Okay.

But I don't wanna spoil anything for the book cuz like she told us what happened during COVID and now we're getting her life story, which I could live a little bit without like so much deep— I don't need to know about like your parents' divorce and then their both respective new marriages.

Like except for the dad's wife because she's like, oh, but an important figure, a big part of Belle's life. Yeah.

Like more so than her mom.

Except that her mom's boyfriend, when she talks about like the boyfriend, it's Charlie Rose.

Oh, I'm not there yet.

No, no, no. She doesn't say, but like she, which she references her mom's boyfriend a couple times. Two boyfriends.

One who like came to live with them for a few years. They got married and were—

She liked him.

For one year and she loved him. Mm-hmm. And then her long-term boyfriend who she ended up being with forever is Charlie Rose.

Charlie Rose.

Well, that's the interesting thing about this rando woman is like her roots.

Her roots.

Are rooted in like aristocracy, American royalty, uh, academics. Like she's really like, uh, she's really a socialite.

She like, her grandmother was Babe Paley who was married to the founder of CBS. Everyone is just like moneyed and—

right. And I don't know where it goes, but I imagine like her prenup ruins her life.

Um, cuz you got to the part where she—

they found the prenup, but where she was being a dumb bitch, where she ignored legal advice, where she ignored legal advice. But the crazy thing is like, it can happen to like a storied generational wealth woman. It can literally happen to anyone. So I plan on finishing it throughout the weekend. But yeah, I'm a woman of my word. I started Copper Spellburden.

And so you're liking it?

Oh yeah, okay, it grips you immediately and it's a short book. That's my queen right there. Like, don't— people think like in order for your book to be taken seriously it has to be long. Look at Copper's Belverde. Yeah, and for anybody who knows— doesn't know what book we're actually talking about, it's called Strangers by Belverde.

And it's like what everyone's talking about, they're making into movies starring Gwyneth Paltrow.

By the way, she's so Gwyneth.

Yeah, it's a true story, this woman's story about the dissolution of her marriage, which happens in the first minute, so that's not a spoiler.

Yeah, right, which I appreciate. That's the first thing. The second thing is I did something else crazy yesterday. I just sort of like took control of my own life and I went to see a chiropractor. 'Cause I'd heard, you know, I'm looking for alternate treatments for my thumb. And I've heard that there are a couple of freaky deaky alternative methods, you know, acupuncture, and I've heard that chiropractor might work. There's like this method where they stimulate blood flow. So I just made an appointment with some random guy and I went. I didn't realize I was also making an appointment at a place that's also part physical therapy. And so obviously I was feeling triggered walking in the door. My pants like sort of fell down on their own. It was great to me back and like, but it wasn't Frank. No, it wasn't Frank. But like, what is it with physical therapists that they're all handsome? Like, the guy was just like a really handsome, like, nothing, you know, not like a model, but like a dad. And he was just like a handsome guy.

Well, maybe it's like if you're into physical therapy or into wellness and you keep up with yourself, you know, you're not going to be like a slob. Yeah.

Thankfully this one was just my thumb. I didn't have to take any clothes off, but I did feel a little bit of tingling in my thumb while I was reading Copper's Bell Burden.

That's good. So it was working.

He said don't expect magic overnight, but like, of course I have to come back. I'm going back on Friday for like a couple of sessions.

I can't, I can't even think about your thumb.

Like, I just wanna say it like looks kind of better.

It does.

It does.

Yeah. Keep going.

I really just don't wanna get surgery, so I'll try anything.

That's great to not have to get surgery.

And then the third thing, I wanted to tell you something that my husband did that honestly made me feel so weird and I just need to like speak on it.

Is it gonna make me feel weird?

Yeah. Okay. So Ben got a teeth cleaning yesterday, which is like, for some reason I'm scared cuz we're cooking together today. No, no, it's not like that.

Okay.

Like he did something socially weird, like I kind of want to smack him.

You're not gross.

So Ben got a teeth cleaning here yesterday and like for some reason whenever Ben and I are here we go to the dentist. One of our like good friends who lives here owns a dental practice. So we're like always like, hey Mark, can we go to whatever? Ben was having like a gum issue and then they were like, you also need a cleaning. So he went for a cleaning at 8:00 AM yesterday and he called me after. He was like, got the cleaning. Of course they upsold him on a $75 electric toothbrush and he was like, it was a really good cleaning. So I tipped the hygienist. He was like, wait, what? He's like, yeah, I gave her $50. I was like, what? He was like, she did a really good job. And I'm like, that's inappropriate.

Yeah, yeah.

Isn't that crazy?

It is crazy.

He's so weird.

That's crazy. I mean, I'm sure she was grateful for it, but also just the idea of like money changing hands by like a hygienist.

Money's so dirty.

Money's so dirty.

Physically dirty.

Yeah. Not like, not conceptually. We love money. We love money. We love more.

Um, yeah, I thought it was so weird and I guess he didn't think it was weird till I was like, are you okay? And then I think I like gave him a bit about it, but like, that's really weird, right?

I, yeah. And also it's just like, it sucks for the rest of us cuz now he's like setting, raising the bar, an impossible standard and we have to be tipping everywhere we go.

I know. Like as if tipping culture hasn't already gotten out of control, now we have to tip our medical professionals.

Mm-hmm.

I don't think so, honey.

No, no, not with the insurance system as broken as it is.

They're, next thing you know, like your pediatrician session's gonna have an iPad that they flip around.

Yeah, how crazy.

He's so weird. My husband's so crazy.

Like, that is—

I don't even know where, like, seriously where he came from. He's an anomaly, um, wrapped in a riddle in cash.

Watched Rory yesterday, last night. That was my catch-up. I only had one episode, which was like so manageable. When I finished, I was like, what should I do?

Yes.

So we did admin, we have a story. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about at the end of the show. And also like, we can't talk about the top of the show every day. Yes, that's how we annoy people. Yeah, and we hate to do that.

We do.

And And we only do it when we have to. Slomo Westman.

Yes.

No, this is not urgent, so we're gonna stop talking about it any minute now.

Now.

Any minute now. Um, and then other than that, today's a major day. I can't believe you haven't mentioned the major-ness of the day.

Yes, that's right. My angel boy turned 1 today. Yesterday, not yesterday, 1 year ago today, I became a mama. Now I will say it's kind of a terrible day. I feel like this overwhelming sense of like sadness and dread, and I know that's like not what I'm supposed to be feeling. So I need to just like snap out of it. But like cried all night, obviously picked him up out of his crib in the middle of the night cuz I was just like missing him. And we're having like a little party barbecue today, so it's gonna be great. I'm just like not in the mood. Like I want, where's my baby?

Yeah. You're wanting a baby.

Where's the baby?

Yeah. No. And he's entering like his, his medium boy era.

It's just not gonna work for me.

Yeah.

And like every time I say that to Ben, he's like, I know what he's just trying to make me feel better, but he's being so annoying. He was like, no, it's a blessing. Of course. Of course, obviously it's a blessing. Like that, I don't even have to say that cuz obviously, but he's just like, he won't like give into my sadness, which is fine.

No, but it's also, it's not even just that Ruby's turning 1. It's like, it's your first year of motherhood. Like it's about you.

And it's more so about that.

And I do feel like for first birthdays, especially because the baby's like, don't remember them. Like it really is more about the mother. Absolutely. You know? So today we're celebrating you.

Absolutely. This feels like more special than my birthday.

Yeah.

Yeah. My angel.

So cute. I'm excited for the party.

Me too. Like, it's going to be great. It's all good. Of course the Knicks are playing tonight, which, like, they have to win for my angel.

Okay, so it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good. Yeah, but just major, major milestone.

Major milestone. Major depressive episode incoming.

Mhm.

Such is life.

But then, like, once you process that, mhm, like, it's all very exciting, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, it's good. No, no, like, like Because then you get to like, it's a whole new world, you know?

No, it's good, it's good, it's good.

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Because then I saw this, I was like, oh, love this. And then I was scrolling TikTok and I actually got served organically the video. And I went to the comments and first of all, the top comment was Victoria, Kylie's friend, writing Daddy, like obviously replacing her comment. Because then all the other comments were like me looking for Kylie's comment, like, did she delete it?

And that does raise something that I'm curious about in their relationship. There's obviously a very big sense of privacy in their relationship. Mm-hmm. They don't talk about each other really. They do all this stuff, but they're very much like off limits. They've been dating for a very long time, but we have to like act like they're not dating. Mm-hmm. And she never posted him on her Instagram. He doesn't post her. It's only like ideas of him or whatever.

Yeah.

And it's like, where is this coming from? Like which one of them? Yes. Is pushing for this.

Cause it bothers me because when celebrities are private, sometimes it's just like earnest, like, and it's sweet and they just want privacy. But I feel like a lot of times, you know, people are having that conversation He's been dating that girl Olivia Ponton for like literally 2 years now. They, they, they get spotted out all, all the time together, but never physically together. He makes like her get outta the car first and everybody's like, why is she accepting? It's actually so disrespectful. At least Kylie and Timothée, like they're always together.

Yeah.

But like sometimes now even in hindsight with like Taylor and Joe, it's like, what are you hiding so much? No.

And it's like, what's the big deal if we see a picture of Joe and Olivia walking into a restaurant together? Right. Like what's the big deal? That's your girlfriend. Like I understand in the beginning of a relationship you want privacy. Mm-hmm. Because you don't want outside influences. And it— for like, for a while in a relationship, you don't— you are always walking on eggshells, right? To, you know, like until you're really settled and like that's your person and like you can conquer.

Kylie and Timothy are settled.

Kylie and Timothy are settled. They do everything together. So like, what's with this insistence on like no social media together or like really just like going all the way in on things that are already happening?

I do wonder like whose camp it's coming from. Like I could see Kylie wanting it just because like maybe things didn't work out with Travis the way that she had hoped and maybe she regrets like having been so public. Um, or Timothy, like, I don't really know Timothy to have been in a long-term relationship before this, so like maybe this is how he does stuff. But you can't really have that expectation when you're dating a Jenner Kardashian.

No, and it's like, we're all the— we're at 98% of like exposure on their relationship. Like, what's with the last 2%? Like, why are you holding out? It's like—

and the last 2% is really just social media. Yeah, because they go to red carpets together and they are paparazzi together all the time and interviews.

I would say no one really asked each other as like boyfriends. They would say like, I have a boyfriend, or like he said like, to my partner He had the nerve to ask her like about a movie of Timothée's.

Yeah.

Um, but no, she doesn't like talk about her relationship, nor does he. And it's like, just look at Taylor and Travis, just jump in.

I know, I know. But I do think like you could— yeah, look at Taylor and Travis, and then you could also say look at somebody else and like it goes terribly wrong.

Yeah.

I— they give us stuff, so like I can't be ungrateful.

They've been together for over 2 years at this point. If they don't work out, it's not because they shared too much on social media.

Yeah, but maybe they think that like now if they share, like it'll be a curse, you know, the Kardashian curse.

Yeah, I guess. But also, so she commented daddy and then deleted it.

I didn't— I did not see it.

Well, it's like people have screenshots of it.

Yeah, of course. No, no, I'm not saying it never existed.

I'm saying like maybe she like regretted, or he like called her and was like, I don't think he loves her.

And I think too, I think she really is in control, especially with like the media narrative, especially ever since Ballerina Gate, you know, he can't get involved. Yeah, I feel annoyed. I agree. But it's not like they gave us nothing. For a while they gave us genuinely nothing. I feel like these days, especially with like the Knicks game and stuff, we get a lot. We do.

And we get red carpets and it's okay. I just, I wonder what's holding them back from like sharing. And, and social media is their terms, right? Like they get red carpet pictures taken, them Knicks pictures. They don't get to control how like they look or like if someone's making a face where it looks like they don't like the But like on social media, you get to put out exactly what you want and like show us only what you want. I don't know why she wouldn't want to do that.

Even going to the Nick game is actually like so personal because you're literally being watched by—

it's a 3-hour livestream of your relationship.

Lip reading. Like I— somebody— I watched a lip reader reading their conversation where he was like, yeah, I really want to try that. Like, it's actually so invasive, more so than a carousel. And you know that he's in posting pictures in Turks and Caicos. She's— like, come on. Yeah. Yeah, no, we're just like, we're greedy because like they do give us a decent amount, but I wonder why.

I, I had accepted the fact that we're not getting it. It's not even about that I want it, I'm just curious like why they have this hard stop. Like what, this one thing they want to keep for themselves?

Like, which is what, like I'm not sure, pictures of themselves that they take? Like, I don't know. And Timothy's actually like hella active on Instagram. I only recently followed him because that's my friend's boyfriend.

I didn't even know he had Instagram.

Yeah, no, and he like posted a mirror picture this morning like of his outfit. He was wearing like huge basketball shorts like all the way down to his stories, or— you want to say?

Sure. I didn't know that he does stories.

No, he did a story, like, and I— it didn't feel like it was the first one I'd ever seen. Timothy. Yeah, he like pretty— he has 20 million followers. Here, look, mirror pic, 14 hours ago. And wait, he also has one more story. He's riding a scooter.

Okay. Yeah, that's crazy that he does stories.

He's just like a little Jewish kid from New York, you know?

Yeah. Kylee loves him.

Kylie convert. Kylie the convert. That's what we need, you know, even though, you know, Scott Disick and his kids do carry the Jewish torch. Yeah, in the Kardashians. The Kardashians are literally the United Nations. Like, they have got it all covered. Um, but you know, always good to have more Jews.

Kylie would be—

Kylie would be such a proud Jew. Yes.

Yeah, she would really be great. Maybe that's what's holding it all up.

I just want to let you guys know, And it's not the craziest thing. If Kylie Jenner ever actually converted to Judaism, any denomination— Reform, Conservative— I don't know if I would be okay. I actually don't think I would recover. That would be the craziest thing.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, like, I don't want to get too excited. It would be—

but she's already done it.

Like, imagine she's like making challah, having Jake Shane over for Shabbat.

I'm throwing up. I'm literally throwing up.

And like, maybe like make him a kugel.

She can like read the haftorah at Mason's bar mitzvah or something. Even though I think Mason already had his bar mitzvah. Yeah, he did. He did.

The next one, Rainn.

Penelope.

No, she'll do like one of the Seven Blessings at their wedding. Yeah, it's really beautiful. I don't want to get too excited. I just—

I actually just hadn't realized till this very moment that that was even like a remote possibility. It's not that crazy.

Yeah, I just want her to leave up her comment that said daddy. That's really all I wanted, right?

Small scale, that. Big scale, Judaism conversion. I know a great— I know a great rabbi. I'm sure Timothy does too.

Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Is Judaism important to Timothy?

I don't get the sense, although I do think he actually, I don't know, with Marty Supreme, like that was like a very Lower East Side Jewish story. I do feel like—

Bob Dylan, right? Actually, he's a Jew.

I do feel like he identifies largely as a Jew. I don't know in practice how much he's like lighting candles or making kiddush, and I don't know.

And it's his mother who's Jewish?

Yes. I think both.

And he's close with— no, Chalamet?

They're French. So hold on, I looked this up once. Timothée Chalamet parents Jewish. Like, if you're— this is like so classic, like Googling who's— his mother is Jewish, his father is not, but that's all you need, your mother to be Jewish.

And he's close with his mother.

Yeah, I, I just think it's, it's not the craziest thing.

Oh my God. Wow.

Oh my God.

I didn't really think that it was possible.

I know. And now that you do, like, are you able to think of anything else?

No. Then, then Kylee as the Shabbos Malka? No, I can't.

And Kylee just wearing like a sheitel over her head to go to synagogue. Uh-huh. Even though the Kardashians, they don't talk about it a lot, but like they are like a deeply religious family.

Spiritual.

Spiritual. Yeah. Like I don't think Kylee's really, cuz the thing about Judaism is like we have a lot going for us. One thing we don't really have going for us is like esthetics. Like Easter, like I feel like the Kardashians love the esthetics of religion too. And they're always like leaning in.

They love the cross.

Yes. Yeah, they do. Um, I could see Kylie rocking like a big Star of David necklace.

Yes.

I just don't think like she'd be willing to give up Christmas.

Yeah, no, she wouldn't be willing to give it up.

It'd have to be one of those—

I think it would be interfaith, but Timothée's used to interfaith because his parents are interfaith.

Hanukkah bush.

His parents are interfaith. So I think it would— I don't think he would make her convert because his parents didn't convert.

Kylie, if you are even remotely interested in converting or you've already begun the process, leave us a little hint on your Instagram stories? Cuz I know you like—

post a candle in some—

oh, that's really good. Yeah.

That's, you know, like a diptych, any sort of flame.

Yankee. Yeah. Any sort of like a bonfire.

Yeah. A fire candle. Yeah. We need a flame cuz she does like, when we ask her to do this, she does sort of extrapolate. Yeah.

Because she can't be too obvious.

I think it would be a bonfire, like, but now we've called her out on it, so she'll get creative. Like, yeah, she will.

Stovetop or something. Yeah.

That's what I was thinking, but I don't wanna take all her ideas. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Candle flame.

Flamé.

Are you ready for our next story?

Timothy Flamé. Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers announces he's retiring after the upcoming NFL season.

Oh, so we still have one more. Is he on the Jets?

He's on the Steelers. After his upcoming 22nd season— wow— in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers plans to hang up his cleats. The longtime quarterback announced that he will retire at the end of the 26th season, finishing out his future Hall of Fame career with the Steelers. He shared the news during a press conference at the practice facility. He was asked if this would be his final season, simply saying, yes, this is it. Wow, I love that.

Very simple. Athletes love to be drama.

Yeah, they're like, I'm making an announcement at 3 o'clock.

Will they?

Won't they? But they probably asked him because they like to, like, you know, taunt him, and he's like, yeah, I am.

Great. No big ceremony. Well, bye.

I feel bad for him because this is not— I mean, maybe the Steelers will win the Super Bowl this year.

That I hope they make it like decently far.

I hope he has a good season to like finish out his career because like it's a pretty bad way to go out.

Like the whole Jets thing. Why did he leave the Packers? Was there drama there?

Oh yeah, they, they hired, uh, another quarterback when he needed other players like to build around him and they're investing in like his replacement. Yeah, that's what I think happened.

So I, I guess that's also a bad way to go out. So he thought maybe the Jets could be his, but like the Jets, and I say this as a Jets fan, like It takes— it's gonna take a lot more than Aaron Rodgers, you know. And then of course, day one, game one, he gets injured. So this is why I actually have a little bit of sympathy for like Tom Brady. It is really hard to time your retirement perfectly, although Tom Brady like literally won several Super Bowls and each time like he had the opportunity to retire peacefully and he wouldn't. So like, that's not a perfect example, but I do think it's really hard to time. You're always like, well, if I get one more, I can go out better than now. And actually, it could be worse than Aaron Rodgers. So you know what, I guess I'm silently rooting for the Steelers this season. Like, yeah, he's not like embarrassed.

No, he's like so prideful. Yeah. And he's so like dedicated to the game, the craft. 22 years, like he deserves a playoffs, a better ending.

Yeah, I think that's also like currently what we're seeing with Travis. He doesn't know how to go out.

Okay, but like, but he does still have a few years technically in him. But correct me if I'm wrong, like Travis is not Aaron Rodgers.

No. Okay, like Aaron Rodgers led a whole franchise successfully for like a decade.

Yeah, Travis is a great player on the team, right? Travis is one of the best tight ends. Aaron's one of the best quarterbacks. But I do think like quarterback is like kind of more impactful. Quarterback is a higher tier of quarterback.

Greater than—

yeah, greater than all.

They're the leaders, like score the points.

No, no, but they're the leader of the team.

The captain.

Yeah, no, they're the leader.

I agree. So I miss when we talk about football.

Me too. We're so far out.

But we're so far out.

We could talk about baseball.

We could.

We talk about basketball.

Oh right, we're talking about basketball. Go Knicks!

We talk about kakaba.

Yeah, that's basketball, guys.

That's what Charlie used to call basketball when he was small.

And now I'm like, that's also what he used to call blueberries.

Yeah, well, because he thought they looked like basketball. Kakaba.

Literally genius. Genius. Genius.

Gakaba.

Gakaba.

Oh, and you're entering that phase soon. Yes, yes, of cute words.

Yes. No, no, it's all good.

Like, like, what is he going to call basketball?

Probably what his big cousins call it, gakaba.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yeah.

Which is, uh, one of our favorite topics— two of our favorite topics: influencer news and Bethenny Frankel. Bethenny Frankel reveals reveals the astronomical amount she makes a year in brand deals. So Bethenny Frankel is on Emma Greed's podcast called Expire, and she's really spilling the tea and giving the exclusive.

And I also feel like there— this is an interesting, um, like point in Bethenny's career because she's always kind of been this, like, I don't want to say polarizing, but just like lightning rod type of— and now I feel like she's really entered into like polarizing figure territory because Emma Greed like had to make a TikTok. She posted a trailer being like, my next guest on Expire, Bethenny the little clips, exciting, drumming up excitement. And then Emma Greene was like, I just wanted to hop on here. Like, I'm getting so much pushback, people telling me to, um, like, sack the episode, like, not release it. And I was like, I would never do that. That's just bad business. Like, everyone's talking about my episode. Why would I not release it? Um, I just— I, I— it must have been like a perfect storm of like a few things.

It's kind of the perfect storm, like the day after Newgate.

Yeah, right, Shoe Gate. It's just crazy. She really has become this like like polarizing person.

Yeah. But like, I don't—

acting like they act when, you know, like a politician goes on something, then you're like—

but it's, but it's like really not real because it's like Emma Greed posted on TikTok the, the clip of the podcast. And yes, TikTok is where like the, the shoe gate haters live. And so they all occupied the comments, but like, that's not the real world.

No. And I'm sure Bethany's episode of this podcast is probably one of the better performing episodes.

Yeah. Yeah, so I don't— I think, yes, she's polarizing on TikTok, and I think she's been that way for a very long time since she started doing these reviews.

And like, TikTok is the sort of Gen Z platform, and like, first of all, Bethenny is not beloved by Gen Z. Like, she is who she is because of like the millennials and honestly the women her age, like from Bravo and stuff. Um, but like, yeah, they would hate Bethenny because Bethenny like shares hard truths, and Bethenny's like no bullshit, and like not opposite Gen Z being like, this is the safe space, your feelings are valid. Like, not with Bethenny.

Yeah.

So I get why, you know, why she's considered maybe that on TikTok. Yeah. But that's also like where she has success.

So like, yeah, no, and she thrives there and that's, and all of that discourse like contributes to her success. Yeah. Um, so she revealed the amount of money that she's making on brand deals in a year. She has raked in over $20 million per year thanks to her lucrative influencer contracts. So she told Emma Greed, it's tens of millions of dollars. This is not including my other businesses, my real estate, my licensing. We're talking like $20+ million.

Well, when she was here on the Toast, I asked her like, skinny girl business, you know, cover of Forbes, influencer, like what's the difference? And she said like, my best day in the COVID of Forbes era doesn't even come close to what I'm doing now.

Yeah. She said, I'm not that comfortable with it just because it'll make people mad at me.

Yeah, right.

I believe that people shouldn't work for free. Interns I pay. I don't believe in anybody working for free. And if you're moving product and you're affecting an outcome, honestly, then I believe you should be compensated, so I don't feel guilty about it. She adds that the products she promotes are only ones she truly believes in and uses. I'm very trusted and partners come to me for their marketing budgets. Like multi-billion dollar companies come to me to figure out how they're going to spend. She explained also that she can talk about anything she wants, which is something brands look for. Also very true. A lot of people have a niche and it's like, well, we're gonna ask you to promote our beauty products, not our food, right? Or other people.

You do food, she does food, she does beauty, she does fashion, she does lifestyle. Yeah.

Like it's just Bethany. Really? Any product a human would use, Bethany would use it.

It's true.

She is really versatile.

She also said something interesting that I thought was was cool, being like, she works with businesses on multiple scales. Like, obviously one of her biggest partners is L'Oréal, and her contract with them is like several million dollars a year. But if there's a brand that came to her with a budget, like, she makes the budget work no matter what. If it's a small budget or a big budget. And that's why she says she's making so much money, is because like she's able to do multi-million and also like a story. She has a newsletter, uh, and she has her—

the Beeliz.

Yeah, whatever. Um, and I thought that was really smart because I think a lot of times when you're at that level, like, if the budget doesn't match your right, bye. Yeah, but she makes it work and she never turns anything down if it's like a brand that she wants to work with and they have budget. Yeah, which I thought was cool. Um, people just like can't take Bethany. She's just a force.

And I don't understand it. I love it.

It's inspiring, by the way.

She's like, she's so magnetic. Yeah, even when she was on the toast, I— we literally watched the episode 3 times.

We did.

And I don't know what the factor is about her that keeps people glued. Maybe it's because like you don't know what she's gonna say. That's, you know, I don't want to watch someone who I know what's coming out of their mouth and it's boring and it's lukewarm, or it's outrageous just for outrageous sake. Like, I don't know, she just like has something that's just like so gripping.

She is smart too. So like while I think a lot of the things that she says is not like what the— what everyone's saying, she, she is a person who you want to hear what she has to say because she like— her story is very impressive in terms of how she grew up and now like literally having a second peak so late— not late, but like later on in her career. I think it's inspiring to a lot of women her age and also like women our age. Like, yeah, the best is yet to come.

Yeah, she mentioned that like in her interview with Emma, like about how moms and like older women like appreciate that she's in this space. She's on Sports Illustrated. Like, we haven't been forgotten. She's like, she's— people are not understanding what it is because it's strange that I walk Sports Illustrated with 25-year-olds, right? There's nobody my age there, but it's not like they're giving me the token grandma role. It's true, it's landing because moms are saying, thank you for not disqualifying us as a group. I could be alienating moms, but I'm not.

I think also what rubs people the wrong way about Bethenny is like, maybe someone in her position like would act coy, or she's very like proud and sure of herself. So I think that like a lot of the things like that I think women are like supposed to say, oh, it's like such an honor, it's like, no, yeah, look at me, I'm amazing. And so I think people are put off by like her refusal to act shy or coy, or just She's like very matter of fact about her accomplishments. And I think that that's just not what people are used to.

Yeah. Also, I guess it's like when that, those things come with age sometimes, like wisdom and confidence and having confidence in your wisdom. And so like we don't have a lot of influencers who are sure of themselves. They're all like burgeoning 20-year-olds, self-doubt, crippling. Yeah. Insecure. And everything someone says to them, they're gonna apologize for because they like feel bad and they don't know who they are. And it's refreshing to like follow someone older who, who's not hung up with those things.

It is refreshing and it's different. So I think that's And I think that's part of why it rubs people the wrong way. But there's— that's what we like encourage each other to do, like to be confident.

But that's why it works, I think.

Yeah. And I think that's also why her audience skews a little bit more older, because the older you get, the more you appreciate that. Whereas I think like when you're younger, you resent it and like think it's like cringey.

I don't know. I feel like she's not like— I do feel like Gen Z is there. They're paying attention.

Like they're paying attention. Yeah.

And even though she's not like their comfort, I feel like everyone likes a little bit of like like, yeah, like, be mean to me.

Yeah, she also just like— she has haters like everyone.

Yeah, you know. Yeah. Um, so that was interesting. Yeah, listen to the episode. Our next story: Jessica Simpson reveals why she was sitting apart from her kids on her flight to Hawaii.

Reveals? Like, what's— kids shouldn't sit in first class. Like, sorry, I'm with her.

So Jessica Simpson was talking to photographers at the airport. They asked, uh, her about this Nick, right?

Nick Lachey so blowing up her spot.

Um, so she set the record straight. She said, my mom bought those tickets. It was my mom's treat for us to go to Hawaii. She was then asked whether her kids would have been sitting with her if she had purchased the ticket. She said, of course that they would have been with her if it was her trip and she purchased them. And they were in the back with the husband. Yeah, okay, like, seriously, love, with the estranged husband.

I just like hate that she has to explain herself. And like, even let's say it was her trip and maybe she's like getting flack. So she was like, yeah, if I bought it, like, everyone would have been sitting together. Like, I think there should be more love. She should be more respected for this. Like, I'm sure her kids live a very lavish life. They live in Hidden Hills, they're friends with the Kardashians. Like, they're fine. Um, so yeah, like, making them sit in coach, like, that's exactly the type of behavior, like, we want our billionaires to instill in their children. So the fact that everyone's making this such a big deal, like, who gives a fuck? It's good.

It's also really crazy There was a fly on my water bottle. He loves the water bottle too. It's also really crazy to me that her and Nick and Vanessa were like stuck in like a confined space for 6 hours on a flight to Hawaii. Like nightmare fuel. Like that's each other's number one opp. She said—

you think?

Yes, I think Jessica for Nick and Nick and Vanessa. Jessica for Vanessa and Vanessa for Jessica and Nick and Vanessa for Jess.

Like I know if Vanessa for Jessica, your ex-husband's life.

Your ex-husband. It's not a boyfriend, a husband.

I know, but like, they were seriously teenagers.

I'm sorry, that's just so crazy and so unfortunate. She said that they did all talk and it was really pleasant. And what's so funny is like when Nick and Jessica like split in the book, like two couldn't be worse for each other. Go away, goodbye. But like they've actually wound up with the same life, right? Like 3 kids each, go to Hawaii, still working in the industry. Maybe they like which they could have made it work. Oh, you think that— you know what I mean? Like, it's not like they didn't want different things. That's true, but I also think like they wanted 3 kids and to go to Hawaii.

It was never gonna work with Nick being in a relationship with somebody who's in his industry on another level. Him and Vanessa like actually are complementary.

Yes, those are the things that split them up, but I'm just saying if they like worked past that, they like—

he could have matured a little bit.

Yeah, if they work past that, they want— they would have had the same life.

I do think, yeah, they both like go to church a lot.

Like sometimes you see 2 people who divorce like you can't even imagine how they were ever together because this one did that and that one did this and this. But like, look, they have the same life.

Also, like, copper's bell burden. Sometimes you go through a divorce and you become a completely different person. But no, that wasn't the case for them. They were also really young.

Yeah, but I also, I couldn't see Jessica hosting Love Is Blind.

I don't know, I feel like she got to a place in her career where like she might have needed to.

No, I, I don't think that she would be a good host.

Oh, me neither.

For Love Is Blind. But Vanessa is a good host.

She's a professional host.

Yeah. So like—

Is she TRL?

She was something.

One of those. Yeah.

Um, so I don't know how that would've worked, but, um, just saying it's just sometimes funny like that. Like, hey, you actually married the same person.

Yeah. And I don't know anything about Jessica's husband except for the fact that he's like a former athlete.

And like, if an alien came down from space and looked at these four people, they wouldn't see a difference.

Yeah. We're all, I mean, that's beautiful. We're all human.

Well, that's why we need to all go to outer space. Absolutely. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Finally, Rory recap.

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Thank you, Turt Skin Co. You're welcome. Our fifth and final story, so, um, leading into Rory recap, but Ashleigh Kennedy, uh, talks about parenting while filming Rory on her podcast, saying that it is very hard. She said she's is actually, um, on the verge of a mental breakdown.

Yeah, I can sense that.

Yeah, no, not even just the filming of the show, but I think also like the promo and the watching it.

I feel like that's actually the harder part. Yeah, like after the filming, like all the— all that's required, especially they don't live in like a major city, so she probably has to leave home quite a bit to do press, go and watch Robin's Live, all that stuff.

She has her like already obligations of full-time. She does her podcast with Ben Higgins, and that's so crazy.

Do you guys remember like the era of Bachelor where like every Bachelor person was getting an iHeartRadio podcast? And this was like a really popular one. It's such a random pairing. But look at— and they're all— they've all come and go, but this one's still standing.

Yeah, no, I think people really like it. Um, she said that being married, raising kids, and juggling reality TV can be tough. She said it's been a crazy couple of weeks for both of them, and she felt on the verge of a mental breakdown. Um, she said it's really hard to be a parent while going through all of this. And now we can say filming for season 2, because they got renewed, bracing for that filming. I can't do it all myself anymore. I guess she needs like Jared to like stop with the fucking coffee shop.

Okay, so I thought that was actually a really interesting part of her scenes, which she did film in her house. I don't know.

Yeah, but— and you— did you realize it was the first time we've been there?

No, it felt familiar to me. I can't lie.

You knew your way around?

Yes. Not my house, but I know my way around. I thought that conversation was really interesting about how, like, Jared quite literally is gone all day every day making no money. Like, and it's the money that he could make in a single Instagram post, but he just, like, refuses to use his energy and his days to do that. I guess he finds it unfulfilling.

Yeah, like, he wants It's real work, labor, not social media.

And while, while I do actually think that might be admirable, like, at a certain point you've got to call it. Like, you spending all the time away from home to bring in no income just to make yourself feel better, meanwhile your wife is then at home making the income and being the parent, that's actually not fair.

No. And you don't feel better. You're doing all of this and you've never been less happy. You're so unhappy. She let you do this so that you would be happy and like lead a fulfilling life, because she can understand that like being a social media influencer isn't like what you want to do with your days. You want to produce something and give a cup of coffee, and it's not making you happy. So like at this point, you're actually just like neglecting your family. You're— it's worse than being a deadbeat because you're actually taking away time, you're taking away money, because that's time that she can't spend working on her things. And you see how she like films her ad in like a—

and the kids have to go hide in the basement.

And like the friend is filming it, and it's like she's doing every— like imagine what she could do if she had had more time and more help and more resources.

No, I didn't realize, like, when I was watching the show that I was gonna just hate Jared Haibon, but I hate him.

But— and she's very supportive, which is something that I really admire about her, but it gets to a point of, like, enabling.

Yeah, absolutely.

And this is ridiculous.

No, I agree, that was very upsetting. And look, when she just laid out the financials that, like, the coffee shop brings in no money, and actually opportunity costs— like, you're now not at home, not supporting, not helping with the family, We're outsourcing a nanny. Like, seriously, grow up. And I feel like when you be— like, it's, it's admirable to have hopes and dreams, but when you become a dad, a dad of two, like, that sort of goes out the window and logic has to win and reason has to win. And it's like, this makes no sense. This is unreasonable.

Yeah. At this point, it'd be better if he didn't work at all.

Yeah. At least he could be with the kids.

Yeah.

They wouldn't need that 30-hour-a-week nanny and she wouldn't be like stressed out. And also like, You know, she also like loves her husband, and then like you also never see him. That's also just not—

and he's like mad all the time because of this like stressful failing business that like nobody needs him to do, like quite literally nobody asked for. And the name of the coffee shop is Audrey's, and that's her mom's name. Oh, but I don't— did they name it for her mom? Maybe his mom's name's Audrey too, like I don't know. It's cute. I don't know.

Um, and then the meat of the potatoes of the episode was this fight I'd heard a lot about. What I had heard was that like, you know, Rosie ate her up Tutor up. Yeah, which I do agree with, like, in terms of the, the argument, like, who won. It's not even a question. Kelsey, like, seriously looked like a loser when she came back in at the end of that fight and was like, and I did win that pageant. It's like, okay, girl, nobody can hear you. Like, big loser energy. And, you know, I've kind of been— I've been turning, like, I really am team Rosie, and I was happy that she won the fight, but I also feel like she shouldn't have started the fight. Like, I, I knew that that fight started when they were doing the hair thing And I wasn't sure when I saw Kelsey driving in, I'm like, is this what she's gonna blow up at, or is there something else? Because I actually thought— and I think the worst of Kelsey, like when she gave that backhanded compliment, I'm like, she didn't mean that. I don't think she's a genuine person.

And I actually thought that in that moment it was like a funny way to just sort of end this dumb little saga between them. And she was kind of making fun of herself, like calling yourself the house police, like, yeah, you're a loser, you don't even have a house. Like, I actually thought it was a good joke and all in good fun. I really did. And I was hoping— I was like, oh, please don't let this be the thing that starts a fight, because it would be an overreaction. And it was the thing and it was an overreaction. And it was an insane fight, like, yeah, with the bag. Oh, and I'm sorry, Rosie just like seriously ate it up when she like literally shoved her out of the house. And when Kelsey came back to like say something, the door was slammed right in her face. Like, it was, it was brilliantly executed, but I don't think she should have started it.

Oh, I feel differently in the sense that I thought what Kelsey did was annoying with the siren, and I would have been annoyed too. One, like, the loudness, and I don't like a siren, that's just like chaotic and actually Rosie's chaotic, so I don't think she's coming at it from a place of— I do— of like, did you just disturb my peace? Yeah, but anyways, that would have bothered me. I didn't think it was like a great joke or anything, but I thought Rosie's reaction was so outsized and so trashy. And like, you can say, get out of my house, get out of my house, get out of my house, but to like push her down the stairs, out the door, calling her these nasty things— and it's like, we get it, she's a sugar baby. Like, she gets money from men. She's never pretending like she's not. Like It's just, I thought it was so outsized. It was like a level 100 reaction on something that was like a dispute, you know?

Yeah.

And Rosie was planning on getting in on the joke again about the house, cuz she had the tape measure and shit out.

That's what I meant.

She was ready to rehash it and joke about it.

So when I saw driving up, I was like, this can't be the thing that starts a fight because she also has her own little jab. It was perfect. And they should have just ended it and like started off on a fresh and now obviously we're like so never coming back from this. But I couldn't believe that like that's what set her off.

And the way that Rosie behaved— so I understand why she was mad and wanted to be in a fight and get this girl out of her house, because I actually understand that, because I didn't like the siren and everything.

And so, and then this person's in your house.

But the way that she handled herself, for me, I felt like I was watching a psychopath. Yeah, like I felt like that was psychopathic.

I liked it.

And so outsized to like just trying to get someone out of your house when like, yeah, they have offended you in your home. Good day, sir.

Very disrespectful.

But like that it got like physical and just so nasty. And, and I don't know what slam pig is, but like it would just, she talked about it on Watch What Happens Live.

It's like a Rhode Island, first of all, it sounds like a slur. Um, it's like a Rhode Island thing.

And people are like, oh my gosh, slam pig. Like best soundbite ever.

You know, people are eating this up.

Yeah. I saw it too. Like, oh, and she really, she told her I don't know, it just, it—

I wish the crime, the punishment fit the crime.

I agree.

Because then I could be like excited with everyone. But like, I actually, funnily enough, thought it was all in earnest. And I think that like if Rosie had just taken it like a champ, that it would have been the perfect way to end this pretty moronic fight. Now it's like a big thing. Yeah, it wasn't.

Yeah. And then I guess next week it reminded me of Kenya Moore hair care.

Do you remember when— I forget who. Oh, maybe it was Marlo had a launch for her haircare brand, but like Kenya already— that was bad. It was so evil what Kenya did. She like brought a marching band.

I don't think anything else she did was evil. I just, I, I wouldn't find it funny personally, and I find it annoying. I would find it annoying and I would say as much, but like I wouldn't get into a physical altercation and like use all my curse words.

Yeah.

In this moment, she—

I, I have to imagine just like being devil's advocate that like she was like I feel like how everyone treated her at the mansion more so required this level of like self-defense. And so maybe it was just really bubbled up and like she's just sort of been piled on a little bit. And so like it was like an explosion. It wasn't about this in particular, but I do wish she was like a little bit more measured because it really— this wasn't that big of a deal.

Yeah. Next week they all are at a bar or something and Rosie comes in wearing a sash that says— Kelsey does. Kelsey does. Yeah.

Because Kelsey's the pageant queen.

No, I thought Rosie came in wearing a sash that says Slam Pig.

No, I'm pretty sure it's Kelsey. Miss Slam Pig USA or something.

Please find out. I thought it was Rosie and I was like, that's so fucking mean.

No.

Okay, we— I need to know right now.

Sash, hold on.

I— you know what, I could pull it up on my Peacock, the trailer.

Yeah, I'm almost 100% sure it was Kelsey, like her way of giving it a little bit back.

Hold on, I have the, the show on my iPad.

Perfect.

Here. Oh no, this is not the episode.

It's like at the very, very end. It's like the—

yeah, exactly. Hold on, wait, I have to go.

That'd be really crazy if it was Rosie. I don't think it is.

Do you agree? It would be so crazy. Yeah, of course.

I didn't— I don't even think that it could be.

Okay, I think that it is, but wait, but wait, let's watch the trailer. Okay, here they're fighting.

It was really crazy.

Like, it's funny, they all look so much alike, we don't even know who it is. Okay, Kelsey. Yeah, wait.

Oh, okay. Yeah.

Oh, thank God.

Yeah, it's Kelsey, which is like a good way to like—

because if someone came in, if it was Rosie, I would say that was like the nastiest thing.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, that changes things.

Better. Um, so I guess that's now in our rotation on Sundays. I'm gonna keep up with it now. I'm fully caught up. Hopefully I'll be done with Popper's Bell Burden. And now that Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is over, is anything on on Thursdays? Because that's watching—

I don't know. But the other thing I want to talk about is Alicia driving.

You mean your autobiography? Even though you never ran over a woman?

When she was like, that bridge is scary, like, yeah, bridges are scary. I thought that was so funny. I know people like love her because she's like just like silly and crackers, and I think she's very Rhode Island. Like, she's the embodiment of the culture, of the typical Rhode Island woman. Yeah. And like, not everything is for me, but actually she does make me chuckle.

She does make me chuckle too, although I think a lot of her shtick is annoying. Like the doll thing.

Well, that's not what I'm talking about.

The car thing is funny, and like Her home life is very interesting. Like, it makes for good TV.

Um, it's crazy that, like, she has a car seat in the back of her car.

I know, and she's not, like, married or on the deed of her house.

No, but like that, she has a child that's young enough to be in a car seat.

Crazy.

I, like, just don't know. So, like, I think of Ashley as, like, young mom.

Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right.

Um, but, like, she has a car seat child as well, and she can't drive her to dance.

Oh, and then the proof with Rula's husband. Joellen found the proof.

Yeah, yeah.

And then Alicia's in her house. Like, that actually was really weird. Oh, and then he's such a dumbass. Like, oh, I have to go to the bathroom.

'Sorry guys, work call.' Wait, but also everything he was saying at that dinner was worse than the next thing. When he said that he literally like drugged her into dating him.

Oh, and that he's like a surgeon and he can't eat steak because of the smell of blood. Like, that was just—

everything he was saying was so crazy. And he's like, 'I take Ozempic and then I lose muscle, so I take a steroid.' Testosterone. Yeah, yeah.

Freak.

Seriously, Malcolm, he was being crazy.

He should have his medical license revoked just from that scene alone.

No, it was so crazy. And then saying that he was like, like over, you know, doubling her drinks when they met.

Oh, right.

Free.

Like, seriously.

Like, actually, he's gonna be one of the craziest househusbands we've ever met. Yes.

Yes.

And I'm barely paying attention to him and it's like everything I hear is worse than the next.

And I know every time he films, he's like, okay, I'm gonna just like fix what I did last week. And he always makes it worse.

I actually cannot wait for like the Brian, whatever's like come up with happening in real time for us to like understand.

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