Transcript of Namesake with Ben Soffer: Friday, May 29th, 2026 New

Good morning, girlies. It's the toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the Fast Five Things You Need to Know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast. Happy Friday. Today is a very special and different day here at The Toast. One, I did the intro, and I can intro all day. And two, I have a very special guest co-host joining me today who goes by the name of Lish.

It was a beautiful intro.

Thank you.

You had great vibrato.

If I'm being like Claudia today, wonderful.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, really close. Really? I don't think you're close enough.

You don't?

I'm just saying, like, especially somebody who, like, is— I don't know, you don't want to be too close to things. Do you know how many people have been close to your mic?

I know, and I appreciate that you're aware that I don't want to be too close to things.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

But you're perfect.

That's why I stopped giving you hugs in 2019.

That's great, I didn't even notice.

Yeah, no, I know. I would love to though.

Okay.

You let me know when you're ready to receive a hug.

I'll let you know.

But know that—

Well, sometimes if I haven't seen you in a long period of time.

But know that I'm conscious.

Like I gave you a hug when I came to New York, right?

You did, but know that I, anytime I walk into a room, I'm there to give you a hug, but I am consciously saying, you know, it's okay, Ben. She knows that you would give her a hug.

Okay, let me ask you something. Like, do you think every time you see me, like, we're supposed to hug.

Yes.

Like, so this morning when we're—

when I would have loved to have given you a hug, I would have loved to have given you a hug. Maybe even a kiss on the head.

It didn't even cross my mind.

A light kiss on the head.

Well, as long as the producer says we can hear him good—

can you hear me? I don't have to do this.

I'm gonna trust that you know—

this sounds good. This is what I do.

That you know your volumes because you're a professional. And by the way, he can always raise my volumes, but he raises me already.

No, I'm saying in post they can raise my individual volume. So even if it's over here or if it's over here, I don't have to— it's not an ice cream cone.

I really hope Claudia's not watching.

It's not an ice cream cone.

I hope Claudia's not watching this.

She's definitely watching this. She's watching this for tips.

Hey, Claud, we miss you. Claudia is out sick today, and while like I, I'm sad to not be with my sister who I love and adore and who I'm so simpatico with, I'm actually like excited for a little Lish on the Dish.

It's fun.

Dishin' with Lish.

Yeah, Dishin' with Lish.

We have a lot to talk about today. The stories are sort of like things that we talk about often, but I'm excited to get your take. Great, fresh perspective. And also, today's like a very exciting day because we have a new nephew.

We do, we do.

We have a new nephew.

We do, we do. Oh, we said that it was a boy. Okay, we have—

yeah, well, she posted a blue heart.

It was the blue hearts. I was thinking that. It's just like subtle, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And then, uh, Shapiro wrote like 9 big hearts, blue hearts. So I was like, okay, we're drilling it in, it's a boy, new nephew.

And wow, new nephew just dropped.

Mazal tov. He's so cute.

He's so cute. We're so happy for Liv. Like, another surprise secret Kylie Jenner pregnancy.

It's really so cool that she does that. I know, it's just like a mic drop, but it's a baby. Yeah, just like the baby just like is here.

I know, it's very exciting. We will get her on the Patreon to tell us her truth whenever she's ready. So just know, like, if you're looking for her story, like, we're gonna get the exclusive on Patreon. But mom and babe are doing well, and we're all just like so excited. And also like Not to make it about us, but like—

We got a baby.

No, and like we kept the secret.

Totally.

You think we're a bunch of like big mouth yentas, but like we can keep a secret.

I kept the secret too well to the point that every time I saw her, I forgot that she was pregnant. Yeah. Like it's, like because she told no one and we just didn't talk about it, every time I saw her, I was reminded that she was pregnant and I was excited again.

Yeah, and it's funny 'cause like she didn't share it publicly, but like in our personal life, like everybody like knew and friends and this and that, but like people would ask me like, is she having a boy or girl? I don't know that I can say, but meanwhile she was telling, like she was living her life freely and telling everyone, but I'm like, I'm not gonna be the one.

Can people stop, by the way, this is very important, can people stop putting me in a position to tell you somebody else's business?

Mm.

Stop asking me the gender of somebody else's baby, because I'm put in a terrible spot. You know I know, but you also wouldn't be asking me if you thought that it was appropriate for me to tell you.

Interesting.

You would be asking them.

Oh, well I just say.

But you're circumventing, you think you're doing something safe sneaky. Yeah, but you're not. You're just, you're just making me feel like shit. Does that make sense?

I'm sorry you're struggling so with it. I just say I, I'm not sure if she's sharing. I forget.

You can lie like that if you want to.

No, no, I, I wasn't sure. Oh, I wasn't sure if she would share.

That's good. Yeah, put it back on.

Yeah, I was like, you know what, I actually don't know if she's sharing the gender.

I don't know if she's sharing, not saying I don't know if I want to share.

That's—

I'm going to steal that.

I mean, it's like basic stuff. Enjoy.

That's really good. I don't know if she's sharing. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if she's sharing. I know I'm not because I'm not here to get in trouble.

No, no.

But I don't know if she's sharing. You should ask her.

I'm a vault of information. But I hope Olivia is watching today because the show is so new mama friendly. I feel like a lot of people become Toasters like in their postpartum era. When it's like quiet, you want a little like adult companionship. So Olivia, I hope you enjoy the show. Yolito.

Yolito.

Do you know Yolito?

No, but she sounds wonderful.

I'll tell you, Yolito, it's actually a funny story. We told it on the shows, but it's really funny. When we were playing mahjong the other day, you were playing with us, which by the way, you might have actually been there for Yolito.

Low-key, I won a lot.

Yeah, you're good when you're not holding up the game.

No, by the way, I hold up the game because I need to strategize. You guys are so fucking quick. Like, I don't even know how you plan. You actually— you're a different story. Claudia is so fast.

What's my story?

You, you like— you're a little slow, but sorry, a little fast. A little fast.

Oh, okay.

Claudia is very fast. You're fast, but I do think that you like strategically look. I sometimes— I don't even think she looks.

Yeah, interesting.

So fast.

No, sometimes I get to a spot, like especially when I'm playing like certain hands where you can like keep changing hands based on what's coming, and like, that's what I try to do. Yeah, but other times I'm playing a hand, I'm locked in, you know, I'm picking up all 3s and 3s only. And if you're locked in, then you move fast.

But if you're straddling two positions, never lock it, because I'm always straddling positions.

But sometimes you don't need to straddle. Like, if you're playing the winds, you have to see my cards.

I don't get— I don't, I don't get winds.

But anyways, we were playing mahjong and Claudia started talking about Ruby's belly button, and she was like, is this weird? Blah blah blah. And Olivia goes, yolo.

The fuck does that mean? I wasn't there.

Like, yolo.

Like, oh, yolo. That is so Olivia. Oh my God, yolo. That is so Olivia. That is the funniest thing I've ever heard. Yolo.

So Olivia.

Yolo.

Like Ruby's having belly button schmutz, yo lito.

Yo lito. And he doesn't have schmutz. My Ruby is perfect.

That's what Claudia was saying, but it was just like, yo lito.

Yo lito. Oh my God, Olivia, you are truly sick. You are.

He is.

You are sick.

She is.

You are one of one.

One of one.

Yo lito.

One of one. You like that, right?

All for one.

Yeah, all for one. We had some fun stuff brewing this week, but we'll just leave it at that.

It's just like, we're just like, I don't know. Sneaking around.

Secret project after secret project.

Sneaky, dude.

We're so sneaky. But the thing is, it's like, I don't— I'm not sneaky for sneaky sake. I just like, you have to like work in the dark and shows up in the light, you know?

Oh yeah, like Olivia. Let's all be like Olivia during pregnancy. Yeah, let's stop announcing that we're starting something and start just dropping.

Bam!

Because every time you tell me that you're starting something, I don't believe you anymore. Because you started it and then you never finished it, Jackie.

Me?

And I never saw it at the end. No, not you.

I'm like, okay, that's not true.

Not you. The people.

The royal you. The world. Yeah.

The world loves to celebrate a start.

I agree.

They love a party for a start.

I agree.

They love a podcast launch party.

Oh my God, you have an issue with podcast launch parties as well?

Obviously. How about you make it—

Wait, whose are you thinking about?

Just in general. I'm not thinking of one in particular, but I remember reading a statistic that 99% of podcasts don't make it past the first episode. So how about you have a party like you you guys do on the years for your 6th year, or that are important.

We only had a party for the 6th year.

Yeah, good guys, good guys, no party. We had a party, we had no party.

We had a party for 1 year because that was like a major milestone.

It also wasn't really 1 year, it was like 2 years of podcasting.

But no, like the fact that we got our show off the ground to a place of success.

I'm saying it was breath plus toast equals new party.

But when we did the toast 1-year party, yes, we had been podcasting for 2 years including the breath, but the The Toast had been a year.

The Breath was a year?

Yeah, less.

The fuck?

Less than a year.

You're lying.

No.

The Breath feels like it was like a decade.

The Breath was less than a year.

The totality?

The totality of The Breath.

The Breath was like a Disney Channel show. Do you ever look back and you're like, what? Lizzie McGuire was 2 seasons.

Yes.

Like, what are you even talking about? I watched it from 1995 to 2005.

The Breath was a Disney Channel show. It was a short run. It was less than a year.

That's insane. All that drama for less than a year. You guys are really sick. Not you, you guys.

The world.

I'm saying you, you is the world. You guys are really fucking sick.

But not you.

No, not you, not you.

Not you, dear reader. Not you, dear reader.

Maybe you, not you.

Only you who are watching. This is the camera.

Not you, maybe you adjacent, but not you.

I agree, I understand what you're saying.

Less than a year.

Less than a year. So in hindsight, it's like, great, not that much time wasted.

It's fantastic.

But at the time, it felt like our whole lives.

Yeah, it felt like everything. But it was less than a year, and it led to just like such a triumphant return. Oh yeah, after a year, less than a year, what was the return? Didn't even start. I know, you technically threw a party.

I do feel like they cut us off at our knees, like before we really got started. And, and in hindsight, like, thank you, because imagine you build this monstrosity.

Oh my God, such a gift.

Such a gift.

Such a gift.

We were able to build the monstrosity on our own terms.

Hashem moves in mysterious ways. Yeah, really mysterious. But power to be. BH. Should I make BH merch? Just a hat that says BH. You like that? You know how Modi makes Moshiach Energy merch?

M-E. So what does it say?

Baruch Hashem BH. Okay, pretty cool, right?

Are you just like making rogue merch?

I've made rogue merch before.

You have? I'm— so I'm asking, are you doing it again?

I'm not sure. I don't even know why I make rogue merch. Certainly not for sales.

Rogue merch?

Yeah, I do, I do. My keto season merch was freaking fire.

Yeah, it was, it was a moment in time.

It was a moment.

You had to be there.

You really did. You really did. Supreme logos and all.

But I guess if you like start saying BH on the good guys, you can make it part—

okay, so you don't listen. Yeah, we say it every year.

No, I don't listen. So you can—

you don't listen ever?

You don't listen to the toast?

I do sometimes. I also come on it. You want to come on Good Guys?

I think I've been on a couple times.

You want to come on again?

Sure.

Okay, today?

Today?

No, Monday.

Monday? I'll think about it.

Okay, that's a no.

No, it's not a no. I have to like look at my calendar.

Your calendar's open.

What time do you guys record? Where do you record?

We record here.

We record here. Okay, yeah, so I guess like at 1:00. Oh, could you—

you'd have to— we could go lunch. No, I think lunch, we have a nice time, get a manicure, get a manicure, lunch.

I'll think about it. When do I have to let you know by?

Uh, today, because it's Friday.

Are you like pinched on the guests for Monday?

No, I think we have— we, we— 90% of the show is not guests.

Got it.

But we have the occasional guest. I actually think we have a guest on Monday.

Oh, so I'm getting the boot?

No, no, there's two. We do two. Um, we bulk.

Oh, bulk.

Batch. Batch is the word, not bulk. Batch.

You guys certainly bulk.

Who do I have on Monday? Yeah, we're bulky. We're bulky. Who do I have on Monday? I don't remember.

They'll be so honored.

You should really watch the Maury Povich episode.

I should?

Oh, Maury's a king. You are Maury.

You think so?

Yeah, just like—

I think Maury and I like have a similar energy.

He's just like a Palm Beach, like cool house in Montana. You will be— you want to be Maury.

That's goals for me. Yeah. Yeah.

Maury Povich is legit super cool. That's one of the many episodes.

I think we had Maury on once.

You did.

We did, actually.

I don't know.

Or was it Dr. Drew?

I think it was Dr. Drew.

You think?

I don't think you had the great Maury.

Maury's like— Maury. I think it was Maury.

You had the great Maury Povich.

Yeah.

Yeah, maybe. You also had Rob Gronkowski.

It was over Zoom.

Did you have Rob Gronkowski on The Breath?

On The Breath.

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

Breath got cool guests.

Really cool.

Yeah.

I mean, Breath Studio. Woof.

Yeah.

Breath spent every penny it made. More than the pennies it made.

Breath made zero pennies. That was like the point.

Yeah.

And we had plenty of pennies.

Plenty of pennies.

That was the other point.

Yeah. Wow, what a time to be alive.

Yeah, what a time to be alive. Well, well, we'll get into the stories, but other than that, like, what's new with you? How are the good guys? How's Romeo?

Good guys are great. Romeo's with my parents, miss him dearly while we're down here. He just got a fresh-ass haircut and everybody's looking fresh to death. Everybody's talking about it. Yeah, my dad FaceTimed me, look at Romeo. My sister FaceTimed me, my mom FaceTimed me. All of them look at Romeo. I'm like, I saw Romeo.

Do you miss him?

I do, I do. He's a really good sweet boy. I love Mr. Roma. I really do. And my Knicks— we can talk about my Knicks. My Knicks, when do they play again? So the Knicks play Wednesday.

Are you going?

I have secured tickets. So the first two games are in Oklahoma City or in San Antonio. I have—

we still don't know.

We still don't know. They— it's Game 7. Oh my God, they made it. By the way, it's so amazing. The Knicks keep sweeping these teams and these teams are just kicking the shit out of each other. So the Knicks get to rest.

Mm-hmm.

10 days, 8 days, something like that. I have secured tickets to the Oklahoma City Thunder game should they win. I have booked a flight to Oklahoma City should they win.

So are we rooting for Oklahoma City at this point?

I think so.

But, but, but you said there's more direct flights to San Antonio.

There's no direct flights from Florida to San Antonio. Oh, there would be a direct flight from New York. But I'm not.

To San Antonio. And what about—

They're all indirect.

What about to Oklahoma City?

All indirect.

So there's no direct flight anywhere?

No, anywhere.

Well, knowing you, you'll find a ride on a plane.

No, I'm in indirect flights. I booked—

Oh.

I booked—

But I'm sure something will materialize.

It's possible. Something could—

You're just hanging out at some private airport.

Something could materialize. I should do that.

You should. Oh. I'm sure like everyone—

Mr. Thompson, over here. So yeah, I think we're rooting for the Thunder. The Knicks.

Thunder. Feel the thunder.

Do you know that the Knicks are like the best team in playoff history?

No.

We've won 11 straight games. We've swept the last 2 series 4-0, 4-0.

So they're actually like the overdog in this situation.

They're the best team in the NBA, whether people give them their credit.

So they're— they're—

The overdog.

The ones to beat.

They really are. Like technically the Thunder and the Spurs were both better. Their records were better in the regular season. The Spurs, the Knicks, the Knicks are the best team. They're beating teams by 22 points a game on average. We're kicking the shit out of people. And I don't really even know how to deal with it. Like, you grew up sort of a Knicks fan, you at least were aware. The Knicks were awful forever. Forever. My entire life they've been awful, except for like a handful of seasons where they were Not awful. Not awful.

Yeah.

And now they're amazing.

Yeah.

Amazing.

How do you feel about Kylie and Timothée?

I love them. I love them. And I fucking hate Spike Lee. I fucking hate him. I used to love him and then he showed up, do you know this story? He showed up to the NBA All-Star Game, sat front row, put on a Palestinian pin. Danny the, Aviha I think is his last name, It was his first All-Star Game. He's from Israel. And it was just, it was literally in direct protest of an Israeli player, of an Israeli player in the NBA All-Star, in the NBA All-Star Game. What are you doing with this pin?

Yeah.

So people may have forgotten that. I haven't.

No, I don't forget.

And Mr. Chalamet is my new Spike Lee.

Yeah.

Shows up. They're so happy to be there. Kylie's just slinging shots. She's just like drunk at all these games, having such a great time. And, uh, Ben Stiller, he's— I mean, he all— like, they showed comparative pictures. He was at the last time we were in the finals, he was there courtside. This is a lifelong Knicks fan.

Yeah.

Who really cares?

Yeah.

See, I love, I love Timothy and Kylie.

Is there like a group chat?

Brunson Boys?

No, not with your— like, with your celebrity Knicks fans friends. You need to start one. No, like, I'm OG Timothy.

These are my boys. I don't know Timmy. I don't know him. He should know me. I don't know Timmy.

I feel like you could know each other.

We should.

Yeah.

He's just like, probably 30, is he 30?

Our age, yeah.

He's our age.

He's probably our age.

Our age, from Manhattan.

Mm-hmm.

I'm surprised Josh doesn't know him.

Yeah.

I feel like they have parallel lives.

Yeah.

Like performing arts school in the city.

Mm-hmm.

Josh is like a little bit older than Timothy, but there's no reason we don't know him.

Yeah.

What a great actor. Fun fact, the only movie I've seen him in is Bob Dylan.

The only movie I've seen him in is Interstellar.

Apparently Dune is sick.

Not for me.

I know.

Did you see Interstellar?

No. What's it about?

Space.

Cool. What does he do in it?

And it's like Timothy's favorite movie ever.

Is he good?

So yeah, he plays Matthew McConaughey's son. So he's not like the main character. It's one of his earlier works. And it's crazy that it's his favorite movie ever. He like, Kylie rented out IMAX to take him to go see it. He's seen it like 100 times. And he's in it.

Like, it's just kind of weird.

No, but it's like, I think he's just like honored to be in this great movie.

That makes sense because the movie's like—

he's a supporting character. Yeah, yeah, got it. Okay, so imagine like you wound up like being in a movie and it wound up to be like the best movie that you love so much.

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay. All right. Yeah, I'm gonna put Interstellar. It's gonna be at the bottom.

Have you seen Italian Job?

Yes.

I keep telling Claudia, Claudia has to watch it. She would love it.

Of course she would. She loves like, uh Kingsman. Yes, yes, King—

she loves Kingsman.

So good.

Yeah, I keep telling her to watch Italian Job.

She also hasn't seen any of the Ocean's movies. Ocean's Eleven, have you?

I have.

Okay, but that's like Italian Job. It's very similar. Yeah, except with George Clooney.

It is, it is.

What do you mean?

Like, it is. Sure, she's actually seen— have you seen female-led—

have you seen Batman: The Dark Knight Rises?

I think I did.

That trilogy, the way that I've begged that woman Like the way that I have to fucking beg her to watch good TV while I'm over here watching the Summer House reunion.

I understand why she doesn't want to watch Batman because I recommended it.

No, if you recommended it, she'd watch it.

I wouldn't recommend it.

I think you should.

I don't think so.

That way she watches.

I don't like it. No, like I saw it, it didn't like resonate with me.

Literally Heath Ledger died for that movie and that's really sad. It was the great— it, it's so unbelievably amazing. I'm obsessed.

I guess with that trilogy it missed me, you know.

I understand, I understand.

Um, but we keep like, you know, mentioning a couple of the key topics of today's episode, so I think we should get into the stories. Yes, we should, you know, so we can like continue to weave in and out.

We're going to talk Summer House, right?

We're going to talk Summer House.

That shit is nuts.

Without further—

have you guys spoken Summer House yet? Yeah, since the reunion.

Yeah, but like there's a little bit more info that's come out. There's new stuff, there's some new stuff, and we'll talk about your thoughts on the situation.

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty wild.

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We've expanded to all members of our family so we could have on more guests.

Got it. So it's an 8-episode—

no, no, you'd be surprised.

And it's like, oh, oh, Oh, I understand.

Yeah. So like, if you, if you have this—

you can only interview Zach.

We can— oh no, if you have the same name as someone in our family, you can come on Namesake. But if you don't, like Kylie, like, can't come on Namesake.

That's kind of cool.

It is kind of cool. Like, if we wanted to do a Summer House interview with someone, like, it would have to be Levi.

That is so funny.

Isn't that so funny?

Exclusive.

And like, it's just like fresh, you know? It's like we don't get to choose who we talk to. It's fresh in the Summer House.

It's fresh. It's fresh.

It's so fresh. So like, any time we're talking, Charlie Puth was actually like the originator. You should have him on Good Guys. He's so GG.

Yeah, he is so GG. We should get him. And he's cool. Yeah, big Charlie guy.

Well, so Charlie Puth would come on Namesake.

Of course.

If we're doing a Love Island recap, King Charles could come on.

King Charles.

Yes. Yes. Mikaela Nogueira, the influencer.

Ah, yes. Yes.

It's just like, it's fun and fresh.

It could. And so many Zachs.

So many Zachs. So many Bens.

Are there so many Bens?

Well, not Ben Platt. Yeah, we wouldn't be having Ben Platt.

No, no, it's unfortunate.

We could have—

I kind of went to summer camp with him. It's unfortunate.

Oh, you did?

Do you know that?

I don't know.

We went to Israel together. Yeah.

Were you friends?

No, no. And it's funny— it's actually not funny.

He went to Israel? Wow. Don't tell his friends.

He went to Israel.

Um, was he happy?

Yeah, he had a great summer. He went like— he had a great, great summer. Um, he we saw him at, or maybe we watched his stand-up at Radio City or something.

His concert.

And he tells a story about a kid named Ben outing him as gay on that trip. We were not friends. It wasn't me, and I didn't know.

Was there another Ben?

There were. I know another Ben. I know another Ben.

A third Ben.

And it was probably that Ben.

Okay.

I know another Ben.

Wow.

Yeah. So that Ben, that was not me.

That's really crazy.

That was not me.

Um, so anyways, yeah, he went to Israel. He went to Israel and loved it, and he secretly loves Israel and supports it, probably for sure.

I mean, his brother's trying to be cool, you know. His brother, of course I know, who's fucking obsessed with Israel.

Of course I know his brother, Claudia. And I like can't comprehend how those two are brothers and how they like ever get together as a family, which they do.

Yeah, by the way, it's one is beholden—

if we want to get into this conversation, I would love to talk about the Platt family dynamics.

One is beholden to Hollywood and Hollywood standards and thinks— but he's not even, because his dad That's Marc Platt. It doesn't— there's a difference. Like, Josh is so brave, in my opinion, for his constant— and it's also just, it's what you should do, but his constant unwavering support for Israel when everybody else in Hollywood seems to be getting a memo that if you want big work, if you want big opportunities and projects, you need to be on the other side of this issue. And so it doesn't matter who his dad is. It doesn't matter who his brother is. I think that he has chosen his career over something that at one point was very important to him, or his circle has become people that are feeding him different things that you don't—

because what you think, like he goes home and he like looks at pictures from his Israel trip and like, I don't know, he loves Israel.

I don't know. I just, I just know that he has to do this. He grew up a staunch Zionist. Zionist. That's a fact. Like in a Zionist community, Zionist sleepaway camp.

Parents, yeah, parents, brother, his whole family.

I'm saying like I went to an adjacent Ramah camp. Ramah is literally the most Zionist place in the world.

Yeah.

Like it is.

No, of course, I think a lot of people who are like, you know, and by the way, amazing. They're people, they grew up like Zionist and they're like, I grew up like this and It's the worst.

Yeah, like maybe your new circle's the worst. How about you make some better friends?

Maybe your new circle's the worst.

How about you make some better friends? Some like-minded friends.

Yeah, who won't sell you down the river.

Totally.

To the sea.

That's that.

Wow.

Oh my. Claudia's gonna hate this episode.

No, she loves talking trash about Ben Platt. It's our favorite thing.

I loved him too. Like, by the way, and Claudia loved him.

I know. Well, we always talk about how much we actually hate him, but then it's like But he's so talented. You can't deny his talent. It's frustrating.

No, and I think we saw Dear Evan Hansen like 5 times. Claudia was obsessed with that show, that soundtrack, him, and by the way, so was I. On the outside always looking in. Will I ever be more than I've always been?

'Cause I'm tap tap tapping on the glass.

Waving through a window.

Can anybody see?

Is anybody waving back at me? Oh, is anybody waving?

Waving, waving.

Oh, oh, waving from Gaza into Israel. That's, that's where they're waving. Okay, first story. What do we got?

So I had to just let you know about Namesake because it's critical.

I love it.

Okay, and I think it's a great idea. And like, one day when my time frees up, it's gonna be my next fashion launch.

You got it, I, I'll support it. I'll come on.

So, and you know Charlie, we love Charlie from Love Island season 7.

Oh, that's right, that's—

we love Charlie. He would come on Namesake, but now his brother named Zach is on Love Island this season.

Who could also come on Namesake.

Who could also come on Namesake.

Understood.

So Love Island, a bunch of other people who can't come on Namesake except for Bryce! There's a Bryce.

There is?

Yeah.

Oh my god that's so funny.

Yes we have—

oh so nicknames can also come on.

Like yeah, we can make it work if we need to you know, and also we could put—

So if we find somebody named Streis he can come on?

If we find someone—

oh can Barbra Streisand come on?

Barbra Streisand could come on she could. There is someone on this season named Sincere but he couldn't come on unfortunately.

His name is Sincere?

His name is Sincere. That is very interesting. But it's like we could have Jesse Solomon on 'cause we've got an aunt named Jessi. We could if we really want You know, but also let's start—

You really want to stretch. You can go in the family tree. Namesake doesn't make sense anymore.

Let's start with the nuclear, you know, and then if it gets so big and we need more guests, like, we can open it up to, like—

You start with immediate.

Cousins.

You start with immediate.

We start with immediate. Exactly.

Okay, I like it.

Um, I was going to ask you something.

We started watching Love Island while you think about that. The only season I ever watched was this past season, uh, while Claude was breastfeeding, and that was our breastfeeding show, right? We would watch it at 3 in the morning, 5 in the morning, like 30 minutes, like, as she would feed, and I got really into it. Yeah, I thought it was— I thought it was great TV. And apparently it, like, was not even, like, a good season by comparison.

No, you and Claudia definitely, like, had a really positive experience with the show, and we're in, like, a very, like, warm and loving time in your lives.

Yes.

Um, and so you'll always have love for it, you know. But objectively, it was not a great season. It was, like, very frustrating. And for those of us who had to watch it as an obligation It was not always fun, but I'm looking forward to a new season, hoping that, um, this is a good one. There's also a bronze medal-winning Paralympic athlete.

Oh cool.

Who is part of the cast.

What's— the Paralympics are so cool. I don't know if you ever watch it, but like, not only is it so impressive, it takes so much dedication, and they are so unbelievable at their sport.

Yeah, yeah, that's all. No, it's amazing. So we'll be seeing Beatriz on this season, and it premieres on June 2nd.

Amazing.

So very soon.

Okay.

Any minute now.

All right, I will be tuning in. I will be tuning in. That's Sunday night? Oh no, Tuesday.

What I wanted to ask you is, word on the street is that you've struck up a friendship with Jesse Solomon.

No, we haven't.

Oh.

I'm open. He seems like a great guy.

He seems like he's struggling and that he needs like, he needs to be confronted.

By the way, I'm open. Jesse, you wanna be friends? I'm open.

Oh, I thought you guys were friends.

No, we're not friends.

I could see you guys.

We follow each other on, on Instagram.

I could see you being friends.

Yeah, he reminds me of like my current friends.

Ben Saffer says we are not friends.

No, no, we're— I, I would, I would love to be his friend. Yeah, I'm open to friendship.

He needs like good people around him right now. Don't you feel like he's struggling?

Yeah. And by the way, I would, uh, as would Claudia, we would make amazing duets on these songs, Jackie.

Oh yeah, just saying.

It could be like a Von Trapp family, me, Claudia, and Jesse. What do you think?

What about me?

You want in?

I'm okay.

Yeah, so, you know, what about me?

I just need to be invited.

Yeah, well, you're invited.

Yeah.

You could be there, you could be there. But yeah, no, Jesse and I are, we've never met.

Yeah.

But.

I feel like you need to go to dinner.

Okay, Jesse, let me know. I think that the people around him listen to the toast. Yeah. Yeah, let me know if you'd like to go to dinner.

He's been like, he's been circling the orbit recently and I feel like he needs to be brought into the fold.

It feels like so.

He's breaking my heart.

Not to jump.

As a mother, you know? I see him like a son.

I understand. I see him like as a son too.

Do you?

No, I see him as maybe a friend. I don't see him as a son. But, uh, not to jump to Summer House, but—

oh yeah, well, our next story is Summer House, so jump away.

I just— I hate reality TV for the people involved when they don't know what they're getting themselves into. I have to assume that Kyle and Amanda went into it eyes wide open, or I hope that they did. But the amount of, the amount of divorces that come out of reality TV, it just makes you hate your spouse.

Yeah.

Like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, they were all married and they are all divorced, all of them. And that's not a coincidence. Like you can say, oh, it's 50% divorce rate. Like, no, like you end up doing things for fame that don't align with family values. And it's just, it's so sad to me. Like watching— and by the way, I, I have many a reason to not like Kyle Cook. Many a reason, right? Oh wait, many a reason. It doesn't mean that I don't feel bad for him and her, but I do know personally that he's a bad guy.

So yeah, more than we know.

No, he was incredible. He was like, he was super shady towards me.

Yeah, that was a really bad—

like, and I'm a really nice guy.

Like, no, it's so true. And I feel like at the time, I mean, of course the Toasters rode for us, but like I feel like on the show and even at the reunion, then they really like dug into like the whole like Craig thing and how it was all shady. And like when you— when it really bothered me watching the reunion, I really didn't like how they like talked about the whole interaction. Because when you think about it, it's like Craig, who is his girlfriend's girlfriend's friend, is girlfriend's girlfriend's boyfriend is Kyle.

Yeah.

Like this. And, and he can't do a partnership with like a different brand. Like that's really crazy. And without it being like shady and he's a liar.

And Craig is so nice.

Yeah.

Craig literally flew in to my son's bris.

Yeah.

He's the nicest guy ever. Like, I've never had a bad interaction with him. He's so nice. And I can speak for myself knowing that I too am the opposite of shady. I'm an open book.

Right, right.

I am a, I'll do things for you knowing that they will come back around eventually. So this idea, this narrative that he spun that we were out to get him.

Yeah.

That we stole information, that, by the way, the partnership with Craig, it was a great one, it's not even the core of Spritz Society. Spritz Society is this. Spritz Society is not skinny spritz. It's just so, so that, I'm positive that Kyle is not a good guy.

I'm positive. Yeah, no, I actually was starting to forget.

I also, in all of this now, see that maybe Amanda's not great either, but I'm also not gonna victim blame. Like, I don't know if people ever really— I think that Amanda is the victim of both West and Kyle.

Oh, wow.

I think that West—

That's really soft.

I think that West seems to just, and I know guys like this, He seems to love bomb people, and girls have a difficult time sometimes, like, understanding that he's love bombing, but he doesn't want anything to do with you formally. I know guys like that in my life, and I look at them with disgust because time after time, if the girl is leaving crying and you pretend that you don't know what you did, it means that you need to change the way that you interact with people.

Mm-hmm.

So I think that he love bombed her at a time where She was very unhappy in a marriage, and I don't justify her actions. The statement, my God, get better PR. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, like, that was crazy. But to all of a sudden say that it's her when we've watched Kyle be just like a bad dude for a really long time, a guy that just doesn't want to fucking grow up. Yeah, a 44-year-old DJ. Like a, a bad beverage entrepreneur, like bad, bad for business. Yeah, like again with my interaction, um, and knowing that West has done this to many a girl, I don't know how you just blame Amanda.

No, you don't just— I don't just blame her, but it's not even that she embarked on another relationship with someone who like was love bombing her, and it's like that she would do that to her friend, like because she did have— like Sierra was also there for her, and every moment that West was giving her attention and like trying to be there for her. Like, so was Sierra. So yeah, that you would like throw away— I agree with you— like that, because like, I don't know.

I agree with you on that for sure. Yeah, that, that dynamic makes Amanda guilty.

But in the eyes of Kyle and in the eyes of Wes, if it had been Jesse Solomon, say, yeah, if it had been like someone else in the house who's friends with Kyle and that person was there for her, like, yeah, it would not be this conversation.

You're right.

It's the betrayal of the friendship when like Amanda has made her like brand and her whole place on the show about like, girls, girl, you know, bed bugs, we're together, fuck men, you know.

Totally.

And it's like, it took you 2 seconds.

Yeah, you could.

And also, she was so the hero of this story up until— yeah, that it's like, you could have dated anyone on the planet, anyone except for one person.

So it makes you think that— I don't know, that they're in love. Yeah, no, I don't know what his game is. I don't know how he does this, but I know guys that do this and It's almost like they have a spell on girls and they love bomb the shit out of them and then they leave them out to dry. Yeah, it's a really terrible quality in a guy. There are only 2, I guess maybe 3 cast members that I watch in that reunion. I'm like, oh, you are really, really like— you seem like a really good person. I guess 4. Okay, KJ for sure. Jesse Solomon for sure, even though what he did to Lexi, uh, What? Who did to Lexi?

Oh, Lexi.

Yeah, for sure. Lexi was on for the wrong reasons. Jesse, for sure. Okay.

Uh, no, they're all on for the right.

I love Carl. I love Carl and his now ex-wife. I love her too. I love her too. They're hilarious. They've had like a real—

I feel like you should say like, not that there are 4 good people on the cast, but like 4 people you, you like.

4 honest people.

Honest.

Oh wait, no, by the way, go through the cast because I'm also thinking I'm forgetting people.

Really?

Yeah, she seems— she's great. Sure.

Levi.

Levi. There's a Levi. Sure. Levi. Okay.

Levi.

I watched this season.

The girl who's friends with Bailey. Yeah.

Levi's cool. Levi's cool. Monet. Is that her name?

Monet.

With an M. Mia. Mia.

Yeah. Love.

Love.

And by the way, she should be at the top.

And Ciara. Sorry. She's also great.

So like, what?

Okay. Okay. There's actually like 3 people that I don't like.

Okay. West, Kyle, and Mia. I like the whole cast.

I don't like West. I don't like Kyle.

Amanda. You like Amanda?

I don't know.

He likes Amanda.

I just feel, I just feel weird about it all.

I feel weird about it.

She was tormented by Kyle. She was tormented for the duration of their marriage. Yeah, it would seem from afar.

Yeah, though now that we're getting to know a bit more of what she's capable on her personality, I would say it was a mutual torment.

Yeah, but just like watching him constantly get drunk and lash out at people, like, yeah, that's bad.

But like, if you're willing to do that in front of a camera, imagine what you're willing to do not in front of a camera.

I don't— I know people say that, but I actually think like he's this—

I, I don't think it gets worse. Like, I think that's him, you know?

Like, you like Kyle? No, you might. I said I sense, I sense—

I don't, I don't, I definitely don't. I could never even be friends with a person like that, let alone be in a relationship with them. Like, it's my least favorite kind of person. Yeah, like drunk, annoying, won't grow up, immature, like silly. Everything about it I hate. Yeah, but he never was not that person for even one minute. That when she— from the moment she entered the relationship to when she said yes to a proposal, to when she got married to him, like, she was always marrying the same person. So like, yes, on year 10, he's the same person that he was at year 1. I guess it's frustrating when people like don't grow, but yeah, what made you ever think that he was going to?

Yeah, I want to say one more thing on the Kyle drama. Even though, like, I'm making this drama about myself. But I just—

no, I think people want to hear you.

But I feel like this is—

you guys talk about stuff like this on the Gigi?

No, never.

Oh, okay. So yeah, people want to hear from you.

Yeah, no, no, we talk about complete and utter nonsense. We just, like, laugh, and we rarely talk about anything serious, which is really fun. Um, I had texted Kyle and it went unread.

I had texted unread.

Yeah, or sorry, it had— it had left unanswered.

—Okay, that's very different. —Yeah, unanswered.

I had texted Kyle before any of this came out. This was after our dinner. Me, him, and one of my partners, Jake, went to a dinner. You know the story, right?

—A little bit, it sounds— but like, not really.

—Okay, whatever. We went to dinner, the three of us, and that's like the dinner where he said that we stole his trade secrets. We both opened up about how hard beverage is, all of the trials and tribulations of trying to grow a small business. We then split the bill. He claimed that he paid for dinner and that we— or sorry, that we paid for— I forget what that part was. It's not important. Not important. Okay. Okay. Not important. We left that dinner. I was like, oh, I really like Kyle. I had first met him at a beverage conference. I thought he was a really nice guy, hardworking, whatever. And so I had texted him. I was like, you know, why don't we get the toasters, the spritzers, the Summer House and Loverboy fans together and throw some parties. Loverboy and Spritz Society side by side, because I think they're completely different brands with different adjacent audiences. Let's do it. Never responded, which is so—

So that was what your text said? Yeah. Okay. Working together.

Yeah. Not at all trying the opposite. Harmony. Harmony. And he went on that show, like, shat on Craig, shat on me, said that I was a shady business person stealing his ideas.

You wish.

Like, totally. Stealing what? What did I steal? Yeah, it's crazy. That's crazy. I just, just needed to share that.

Well, I'm glad we don't have to do those parties.

Totally. By the way, those would have been for him. Knowing what I know now, those would have been for fucking him. Yeah. Bringing our audience to Loverboy?

You wish. No. And when I said it's like they try to make Spritz out to be like seedy, whatever, like we're like a family-owned brand, like a family, like friendly brand. Like we're just all about like love. Like meanwhile, That's the most toxic, negative brand I've ever heard of, who destroyed his relationship, his personal finances, his friendships. Hannah Berner, Craig, everyone. You're this brand that's just like this toxic entity when we're over here like, hey, come join us. The more—

I was going to say, it's literally the polar opposite. It's he's how can I hold on to as much equity as possible until I hit zero and be the king of my nothing? And we are literally not optimizing for dilution ever. You want to come and be a part of what we're building? We are trying to build together. Yeah. Like we have, we have like 130 investors. Yeah. Literally, if you want to invest, you come to us.

We work with friends, we work with shop, we work with like everyone. It's just like a lovely positive place where we like bring in people and we want everyone to be lifted up. Whereas like Loverboy has been nothing but be like this toxic force in the house. And so how you can paint us as the brand that's like shady and lies and negative. No, we're having a ball.

No, it comes from a fucking liar. Yeah, it comes from a liar, which is going full circle why it's very, very hard for me to be Team Kyle, screw Amanda. Like, no, like, Amanda had to deal with that for so long. That's still— and Wes is a love bomber. Yeah. And so I just think that she, she made a really bad choice, but she continues to make the choice. Yeah, because she's been bombed. We'll see if like, I think that a love bomber— I guess, do they eventually settle down with someone? It doesn't feel like it's going to be her, unfortunately.

I feel like it has to be, otherwise, like, you know, just if he has any sort of, like, personal responsibility, like, because if he leaves her and she has nothing and she has, like, mental health issues, like, it's just a disaster. So I think if he's any shred of, like, a human being, that he will stay by her side. I think he's sort of wound, webbed this, spun this web that he can't get out of. Yeah, I don't think he's having fun though.

Yeah, love, love bombers gonna bomb.

Wow, you love the term love bombing. It's a— it's, it's the accurate term. Interesting. Okay, well, thank you for your take. Oh, well, the Summer House news for today was that Summer House stars KJ and Dara have, uh, apparently broken up after a couple things on social media have surfaced. They have unfollowed each other. Why do you know who I'm talking about? I don't know who she is. So she was the girl who like came on a couple— she stayed up by the house a little bit. I think she was like meant to be a cast member. I don't know who that is. She started dating KJ. She was like on the season. She'll probably be on the reunion at some point. I don't know when they broke up, if at the reunion they were together or not, but they started dating like this summer. Yeah, you must have missed that. Totally missed it.

All I know is I'm a big fan of his. I think he's super cool and, uh, certainly wish him well in his mental health journey. Yeah. Um, but he seems like a great guy. Yeah. And really nice. Like, he just— like, I like, I like a guy that goes on a show looking to make friends. Yeah. Not a guy going on a show that's looking to be like a hardo and have people come to them. Oh my God, I just realized he's the opposite.

We could have Ben on Namesake. Unfortunately, you can. Australian Ben.

Yeah, he seems, he seems like a bad guy.

He seems like the worst. And Bailey like really clocked him. I didn't even notice all those things.

Yeah, she, she clocked him and she, she sort of ended him. She seemed right for all of that.

Yeah, no, she sort of ended him.

Like, I'm done. Yeah, he seems like a little mean to women. Yeah. Yeah, which is really bad. If people are gonna say anything about you, you don't want them saying that.

All season he was like boring, like brought nothing really, like I was just like not really interested in him, but like nothing bad. And then it's like, and now it sounds like you're the worst? Yeah. Well now, we don't want anything to do with you. Correct. 'Cause like boring's not a crime, but like there's nothing redeeming. You know, there was nothing like, oh well, he had a great season, okay, so he can be mean.

You know, it was a little weird. I like— why was Amanda skinny dipping with him?

Yeah, well, they were like— they were— Kyle was there too.

Oh, he was? Yes. Oh, so do they— do you think that they have like a freaky-deaky?

Like, no, I feel like they were just like after hours and wedding in Europe and it's like, let's go in the ocean. So, you know, I think it was just spur of the moment.

Okay, that makes sense.

I don't think it was freaky-deaky. I think they wish like that things were a little more interesting. I understand, you know. Okay, I think it was just like Yolito, honestly.

Yolito, it was giving— it was giving Yolito. Yes, Yolito. Wow, okay. Yeah, well, Yolito.

Um, so KJ and Dara have split up. I'd like to hear more. Me too, you know. I want to know what happened, especially because Levi was like alluding to the fact that like she thinks like Dara is, um, nefarious.

I'd love to know more, and I'd love to learn about who this woman is. Okay.

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Isn't he a nice guy?

I think so, but he's a fucking idiot.

Yeah, but so what happened? He cheated on her multiple times.

Once when she was like 10 months pregnant. That's really bad. I think she was like 9+ and it literally put her into labor, the stress of it. It like was such a big story and he cheated on her. Um, then he smooched at Jordan Woods, the best friend of his girlfriend's little sister. That's crazy. Yeah, I forgot about that.

That's bad. And then also bad on Jordan Woods.

Of course, of course. But him too, but he's older than her.

But we've forgiven her and now she's a Nick swag. Oh yeah, so you love her.

Maybe she's the lucky charm. Love— could be. And then when Khloé was trying to have a second child with him via surrogate, um, and during— I don't know when the surrogate process had started and when they wanted it to start or whatever, um, but it turned out— it came to light that he had fathered a child that was like, I don't know, maybe almost 1 year old, like that he was hiding. He was like fighting this woman in court, but like it was his child and he was hiding it from Khloe while also trying to like make a baby with Khloe. Like really, really bad stuff. And I think there was like a lot of other cheating sprinkled in. Like he's a cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater. Yeah, yeah, can't stop cheating. Yeah, that's tough, man.

That's, that's tough, Mr. Tristan, Mr. Thompson. But I can't, I can't, I can't defend—

No, so that's just what you need to know. Like, and he's third— Tristan, third trimester Thompson, as they call him. Because of him cheating on her in the third trimester. Everybody— like, he's really gotten his punishment. I feel like he, he's hated thoroughly. Okay, but he's True and Tatum's dad. Khloe, like, keeps him around. Like, they always do. They— but she is so forgiving.

Like, it's actually— they all are, it would seem. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, she's the most. It's so interesting. It's such it. Why? Why are they so forgiving? Are they more afraid of what would happen if they weren't there, or are they just a familial—

so I think it's just like family, just like, and it's father of children. For when it's the father of a child, like, I don't think those same rules apply for people who they like.

Tyga.

What about Tyga? What about Tyga? What about him? There's no child involved. There's no child involved? No, not over here.

Oh, okay, okay. So then that— he's out. So it, it directly has to do with if there is a grandchild. Yes, Kardashian.

But I would also say the rules also applied to Lamar, but he was a husband and he was like obviously suffering. But they have, they have up until a point, they really like have been there for them so much.

I think Khloe also just must be an amazing person.

Yes, she's an amazing person.

She must just be an amazing person.

And I think most of us, including myself, like, could not relate to being that patient and forgiving.

Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that documentary.

But it's not like Pete's— did you watch that documentary? No, but like, then she's like pissed about it. She wishes she never did it because like, he— she's on there like bearing her soul and he's on there like talking shit about her.

I was gonna say, it was, uh, it was great for her because it gave me a window into how unbelievable a person she is, how she would give her last anything for somebody who treated her like ass and to save that person. But he was— he felt like he had zero remorse and like made a joke at the end that he was gonna go to Vegas. That's how he closed the documentary, which is like literally the whorehouse that he lived in and almost died. Yeah, in Vegas. And he made a joke that they left in the documentary as he's leaving, that he's gonna go to Vegas.

After he almost died, he was using again, even when she got him into like—

Well, he's— there's no crime to being a drug addict. He's a drug addict. That's not his crime, in my opinion. His crime is the— just like cheating and whorehouse, and I would assume that the using has a direct effect on that, but like like, that's, that's not, in my opinion, what he's, he's guilty of. Like, it's—

but like, when Chloe has nursed him back to life from the brink of death— totally. I think she even—

it's a horrible—

she got a staph infection from living in the hospital and got so sick then. So she brings him back to life, learns to talk, learns to walk, learns to write, learns to think, learns to speak. I know. He's with him in the hospital the whole time, rehabilitating him, gets him a house where she's at Yes, and she comes into the house and he's using.

I know it's a horrible disease, and he clearly needed more rehab. He needs to live at rehab. I don't know any of anything about that. I just know that it's a horrible disease, and they're, they're not together, and you can't be with somebody like that.

But yeah, it's a tough situation. Well, so back to Tristan, um, Khloe asked him, do you want to have more kids in the future? And Tristan said, I think I signed off for 2 embryos, so I mean, if I do have kids, it'd be coming from you. I already have enough baby moms, don't want no more. And then Khloé said, and who helped you fix that decision? That was me. Tristan may have had a little ultimatum from me. And he said, what, getting neutered? Sometimes you gotta lay them nuts on the table. That's funny. He implied that he was a little against it initially. He said, I've been a little hard-headed at times. I wish I wasn't as stubborn. However, he came around to the idea, saying sometimes you have to get forced into the right decision. Wow. So even though he's had a vasectomy, more kids aren't off the table from him. He said that he legally signed over the rights to his embryos with Khloe. Um, you sign— she said, you sign them over to me anyway, so I legally own them. He said no more kids unless it's coming from Khloe's embryos.

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

That's big. It's— so does she not plan on meeting somebody and getting married? Oh, she could. No, I know, it's just like, like, I guess it's her right to choose. If she wants more kids with Tristan, she doesn't have to fornicate with him.

He— she doesn't have to get his approval.

And what if— I guess like, we'll see what happens— what if she meets the love of her life, they get married, want to have children? Is Tristan then allowed to meet the love of his life and have children then?

Oh, um, I guess that— I'm sure Khloé would be open to that.

You'd be open to that then?

But in the— like, if he really was having like kids with just like one person and not just like everyone that he has, not just anybody, not just like everyone. Yeah, so I'm sure that that would be like a beautiful problem to have down the road where like Khloé's moved on and with someone else and started—

and like, really, girl, like, do you think that girls, like, are they trapping him? Like they're like, oh, I'm ovulating, I'm gonna go and try— no, not even poking a hole. It's not the hole. I think about this all the time.

Yeah, like it's hard to get pregnant.

Yeah, very. Yeah, you have a very finite period of time, very finite period of time to get pregnant. So unless you're just so lucky that on the single day of the month, 2 days of the month, you happen to be having sex with Tristan Thompson, Otherwise, it does kind of sound— bless you. Thank you. It does kind of seem like— and I guess I would trap an NBA player. That's like a really— You would do it. That's a really great way to make some quick cash. You think. Trap an NBA player.

You think, but I feel like— For sure. It doesn't always work out the way you want.

They get something. They get something. They get something. And then they like have like a really good chance of that baby becoming an NBA player too.

So it's an investment in the future.

It's an investment in the future.

So you would get pregnant in a different world, in like a different lifetime?

I might trap an NBA player. You would? You think about it? I feel like I would have huge tits. Do you think—

do you feel that if you were a woman?

If I was a woman and I was looking to trap an NBA player, I think I would have huge tits and I would use them. Like, I would like to keep my tits out. Wield them? I would wield them. I would wield them to fornicate with an NBA player.

Okay, and, and that's how you wanted to go? That's how you would use your feminine power?

Yeah. And then I'd be a power milker and I would first use them to trap. You're like, I need to baby Brunson.

Yeah, to baby Brunson.

And that would be my power.

And then what if, like, the NBA player, like, wanted nothing to do with you and was paying, like, minimum child support? Like, great.

Then I go and meet the love of my life and I have that— the love of my life's children as well with my big tits.

This sounds like one of those, like, AI movies.

Called me and my big tits.

Like this, like, down on the block, big titted woman, like, gets pregnant by an NBA player. He leaves her on the side of the road.

You would watch it on TikTok? I would watch it episodically.

Yes, I would. I might click for part 2. Oh, that's funny. Um, but no, I think that this— after everything he's put her through, I think this is fair. I think it's actually very lovely that he's given her the opportunity for more children if that's what she wants. Lovely. And she doesn't have to wait to meet someone, and you know, they would be genetic siblings with her children. And like, if she wants more kids, like, it's up to her. Yes. I think that's like a very probably freeing for her to know. It's lovely.

It's, it's really nice. She's still a little bit too nice. Yeah. But this clearly is what she wanted, so if it's what she wants—

I kind of want to listen to it, the episode of Tristan. And I don't think I realized that she had— oh no, I did know that she had Chloe in Wonderland on, um, Dear Media. Dear Media.

Yeah, our sister. Yeah, yeah, she's It's a great show. Great show.

It really is. Yeah, I have to listen more.

Great show.

Speaking of another great podcast, Scooter Braun went on the Free Press's Second Thought podcast with Suzy Weiss. Wow.

Did you see? I saw clips. I saw clips.

I haven't watched it, and I should. It's another one that I want to watch. I saw clips because they're—

I love them both. I love them both.

I love Suzy. Like, I love her new podcast. I think she's having great conversations. Yeah. And she's talking to Scooter and I feel like Scooter hasn't done like a— I, I would say Second Thought is a little bit swirly cuz Suzie's like a little swirly in pop culture. Yeah. Cuz he's done like Diary of a CEO type podcast. Yes. Yes. You know, like business oriented, but like he's talking about the things that people wanna know and the thing mostly.

Yeah.

Which is Taylor Swift. So he—

oh, I saw that clip. Yeah. Like I do not know her at all.

Yeah. That was so funny. So what he said was, I think, I don't think he wanted to like get into it too deep, but he was like, I feel like people have this idea that like we are like bitter enemy. We were bitter enemies when when I bought the rights to her music. And he said, I don't— I actually didn't know her. I had met her like 3 times, once at a party. Our conversation was like totally lovely. And then— and I obviously like respect and admired her. You don't spend that much money on someone's catalog without like hoping to work with them and wanting to work with them. And so all of what happened next was really like a shock to him, considering like they didn't really have a personal relationship. And I think he wanted people to know like there wasn't like some bitter drama that had unfolded before. Yeah, yeah.

All that I can say is, uh, I know Scooter. Scooter is great. Scooter is a, uh, Jewish, loves basketball.

Oh yeah, he's a famous Knicks fan, loves the Knicks.

He could be in your chat. And like, his accomplishments are just like a laundry list. Like, such an amazing, uh, just person in music. And businessman, and I don't know, like, I don't know Taylor Swift. I think that it's just like the hard part. Are you team Scooter? I think that I'm team business. Like, I'm team, like, this is the way that you can't blame him for the way that the music industry operates. If you can buy somebody's catalog that he didn't invent that idea. Yeah, he's a bidder. Like, like, I don't know the entire story. Yeah, with a D. He's a bidder, like he's able to bid on a catalog. And I don't know the ins and outs of it whatsoever, but I just know that the way that the music industry works is that these things are for sale all the time. Yeah, people sell them. I, I don't know the who, what, why, where they're sold and how that ends up happening, but didn't Justin Bieber just sell his music for $200 million? Yeah, Justin Timberlake sold his music.

Like, and, and I'm sorry, doesn't Michael Jackson own the Beatles or something?

Yeah, and I'm sorry that she didn't have the ability to say yes or no in regards to her music But that's not his problem. Yeah, that's the seller's problem. Yeah, she should take issue with the seller, not the buyer. What'd the buyer do? They took a deal from a seller, a legitimate real seller. So I think that all of this is just— yeah, he was also— it's old news.

But he was talking about like just masters in general and like what they are. I think like some people, myself, I don't really like get it, um, how there's like master rights and like publisher's rights. And like when you're a singer, you get your publishing rights, but like the label gets your master's rights and those are really valuable for the label. And now there's like this conversation around like the contracts that artists sign and read them. Yeah. But, and he said like it might start to change where like labels don't own masters. And he's curious like how that will affect the music industry because then, you know, if they're not making money from artists, they're not going to take a gamble on as many artists as they do. Like, you know, probably probably 10% of the artists at a label pay for 90% of all of the artists, you know what I mean? So like, I don't know, I— it will be interesting to see how it changes, if it changes.

I mean, the music industry fundamentally changed with TikTok. Like, you have— like, you have so much talent so easily on display, so many views being generated without— like, not to use a Jesse Solomon, I don't know who he's signed to, he's getting a ton of you listen, whether you like his music or He's able to generate views because that's the time that we live in. Previously, the only way that you got somebody to listen to your song was you signed with a label who had the relationships with a radio station. The radio station put you on and then you toured. Now you don't need any of that. Yeah, yeah, it should change. Yeah, I think. But again, that doesn't change like that. Read contracts. Yeah. And by the way, now what will also change, you can literally fucking throw it and you should all be doing this. Throw a contract into ChatGPT. And say, tell me the nuts and bolts of this and what to look out for. You don't even have to read them. Yeah, you know, you can't afford a lawyer, you don't have to. Put your contract in chat.

If you're a small unknown artist, you're kind of powerless to negotiate a contract with— if this is like our boilerplate contract here at Sony, sure, if you want to sign with Sony, yeah, the contract.

And by the way, great, you, you made a decision. Yeah, you wanted Sony. Yeah. And like, so Sony should get nothing, but you wanted— Sony is a charity. You obviously wanted Sony because you felt that Sony would give you a leg up in your career. But then when you got the leg up in your career Fuck Sony. Yeah, that's not very nice either, right?

Like, yeah, no, it's a— don't bite the hand that feeds you. It's a give and take, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, no, another one that I want to listen to. Another—

I would love to listen to that.

Yeah, that's probably good. Yeah, totally. Suzy doing big things. What kind of— what kind of music, um, new music are you liking these days? Any new artists? New music? I know, Papa Roach. I don't want to hear about it.

I was going to say, I just listened to— let me tell you I don't know if you know about this little station on SiriusXM called Pop2K, but I love Pop2K. Channel 7, I think, is like alt punk and also Pop2K, so it's like '90s and 2000s. I listen exclusively to '90s and 2000s music. I also listen to Taylor.

There are no new artists that you're—

Zero. I will listen to— That you're liking?

Sure, Luke Combs. MGK, wouldn't you love him? If it crosses my desk, Halsey.

I don't seek any of this out. Like, if it comes to me, it comes to me. It's very rare. Like, once every 2 years I'll get a new song that I like from a new artist.

What's one that you liked recently?

Probably the most recent one was that Halsey MGK song. Forget You. Forget You Too. Wanted to forget you. I like that for like a week. But like, I'm literally going to a James Taylor concert with my dad. Like, that's the music that I like. So I love James. He's great.

You know what song I like that's made it to the—

I love Joel, Billy Joel. I love John Mayer. I love Oasis. I love Blink-182. I love— like, that's— and like, by— because of you guys, I like Luke Combs. I like some country when I hear it. Mm-hmm. You know, what are you listening to? You have any new songs that you like? Shabooz?

I love Shabooz. No, but you know what, I'm really— Shabooz is cool, actually. I actually— there are a couple new artists that like I really, really like. Like. Tell me. Like Alex Warren, I love.

By the way, I think he's great too. Teddy Swims. Teddy Swims is great too. Um, these are both— I like both of them.

They— yeah.

And I really like Olivia Dean.

I love Olivia Dean. I love Ray. I think like, Where Is My Husband? I don't know who Ray is. Where— do you know the song Where Is My Husband? How does it sound? Baby, where the hell is my husband?

No, but he should come home.

Oh my God, it's so— it's like, it's an amazing song. You should listen to it.

Where the Hell Is My Husband?

Yeah. And then you know what song I just listened to that I'm like it's great. Like, it's, it's bubbled up to the surface for me. 12 to 12 by Somber. Somber, you have to listen to the song.

Okay, what is it?

Um, for the people I look for you.

Okay, I'm sure I'd like it.

It's, it's a little beat. There's some beats. Yeah, it reminds me of The Door by Teddy Swims. Do you know The Door?

Uh, I think so. Oh, so good. We listened to it all summer. Teddy Swims is amazing.

Teddy Swims is amazing.

He's amazing, but I can't name a song.

Okay, I should be able to. Okay, can you like make a playlist for your ride home of The Door and 12to12? I'll just write it down.

The Door and 12to12. Okay, yeah, The Door and 12.

And then Sienna Spiro, I like her too. She's a little like more whiny, like, like Amy Winehouse. You don't have to listen to the wine, um, but no, there's like some new music I'm feeling, as opposed to like just David Guetta and Pitbull all day. So it just goes so hard in the paint.

Oh my God, you Tyo Cruz. Yeah. When was the last time you listened to Dynamite?

No, I know how—

when was the last time you listened to Dynamite?

Probably like in February because I was like listening to all— what about Ne-Yo? Ne-Yo? Um, what's the great—

no, no, no, is so fucking good. Yeah, I went through like a great Akon time.

Oh, Akon. No, that's— this is where I leave you.

Akon and Young Jeezy.

Neo and David Guetta.

No, Neo. What was the Neo song?

Oh, Play Hard. No, this album from David Guetta. You know the one when I show you the album cover. You're gonna— oh, Closer. Oh, Closer.

Turn the lights—

you know this album. David Guetta. I saw him. Titanium.

I saw David Guetta live multiple times.

Without You by David Guetta featuring Usher.

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Shut it down. By the way, David Guetta Amazing. Davey Guett is amazing.

Pitbull's amazing. I think he's going on tour. You want to go?

Yeah, but only if you'll come with me to any of the things that I want to go to. Or come with me to fucking Gypsy Kings. This is like the most— this is heartbreaking. I literally write in the family chat, I just spent thousands of dollars on unbelievable VIP table for the Gypsy Kings this summer. Silence. What am I gonna go fucking alone?

No, no, I'll go to Gypsy Kings. Great. You want to go to Bruno Mars in the fall?

Where? Here? Yeah, here. Yeah, I like Bruno Mars. I don't, I don't need— yeah, no, I like—

no, it's gonna be me.

Okay, okay, I'll go to Bruno Mars. You know how many times I fucking seen like Rascal Flatts for you?

Like, not enough. Yeah, not enough times.

Um, oh, it was, it was Akon, and I think it was— it might have been Ne-Yo and Akon touring together.

Okay, maybe like my husband will go with you. He won't. I think he would. You think so? Yeah, he likes like to go to stuff.

I'll ask him.

He likes to go to stuff, especially if I'm like I'm like, oh yeah, of course.

Yeah, if you're encouraging about it.

Yeah, if I'm encouraging. Yeah, which I feel like I am. Okay, no, you're within reason. You're encouraging for sure. Yeah, within reason. Like, with 3 small children.

Yeah, no, you're, you're, uh, encouraging within reason.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you guys golfed on Sunday?

We did, we did. Lovely. It was fun.

Okay, we can end the show. Oh, I did 4 stories because I felt like it. Oh, Queenie and Weenie. Claudia will be really mad if we don't do it, so let's do it. It's Queenie and Weenie. Queenie of the week and Weenie of the week. I think my Queenie is so obvious And it's Livia Ashray. Shit! Is that yours too?

That was mine! All right, she's the collective queenie.

So she's the obvious queenie.

She's the obvious queenie.

She's the obvious queenie. Obvious queenie. Yolito. Yolito.

Mazalto, BH, thank God.

Yeah, we love her.

And I, who's your weenie?

I don't know, who's yours?

My weenie is the Miraculously Bright Creatures. Mm, very good. Thank you. Remarkably Bright Creatures. Movie. Okay.

And the people who made it and everyone who participated.

It was such a wonderful book, even though I can't ever remember the name, and I always call it Remarkably. Yeah, Remarkably. Okay. The movie was so fucking bad. It was such bad acting by everybody but Sally Field. Cameron was one of the worst actors I've ever seen, like terrible. And they just twisted the story, removed key elements to the plot, and apparently I've been told that this is the life of a reader, that they butcher books, but they fucking butchered this book. It was bad. And they like took Marcellus, who is an octopus who like comes in once every like 40 pages and just says like a little something, they made him the narrator of the entire movie. Oh, that kind of works. No, it didn't. It was like I was watching like David Attenborough Planet Earth. I'm not. It's not a nature documentary. It is a movie about a mother who lost her son who falls in love, and the octopus is somehow involved.

She falls in love with an octopus?

She does, but that's not really what it's about. Okay. The octopus saves her life. It's a great book. Okay. It's a great book. I just started a bad movie.

I started the new Redheads book, Yesteryear, which it's like— oh, it's called Yesteryear? It's called Yesteryear. It's going like viral right now already. Like, the rights have been picked up. Anne Hathaway is starring in the movie. Oh wow. It's about a tradwife Wintzer, who like wakes up in 1885 and absolutely has to like live a life.

Oh, that's cool.

Freaky Friday, but tradwife edition. And you know, I think it's meant to like clown on tradwives. Like you would never actually live like this if you had to. I just got to, I'm like 6% in, so I just got to the part where like she wakes up in a very cold bed that isn't hers. Very cool story. No, I'm like, I think I'm gonna hate it because it's actually just like about Ballerina Farm and like clowning on, like the person who they're talking like the influencer on the farm and she sells all these products and she has like 7 kids and the husband and the husband's a descendant of like a rich family. Like it's literally Ballerina Farm. So I'm like, I'm not gonna like enjoy something that's clowning on my girl. However, like so far just the bit that I read, like I liked it. Like I like, I like the influencer. No, it's also like a—

it, it— I love Freaky Friday. Yeah, you can miss me on Freakier, but I like Freaky.

Well, so I, I'm, I'm curious to see like like— and I've seen so many mixed reviews. I really wonder how I'm going to feel about it, like, because you never know what you could expect from me. Yeah. And what I'm going to like and what I'm not going to like. You think I'm not going to like something and then I like it 100%, and then you think I'm going to like something and I don't like it 100%.

Yeah, we don't know. Stay tuned. Um, before we close the show, one last thing, which is— I don't know if you know, Jackie, but we are sold out in 50% of Targets nationwide. I did hear that. Skinny Spritz is crushing. And so if you went in and didn't find it, I'm sorry, uh, Hopefully stock will arrive soon, but you sold it out, so.

I love it, Skinny Spritz.

Yeah, it's right here, Skinny. Classic spritz you know and love made skinny at 100 calories and no sugar. It's pretty fucking sweet.

Yeah, it is, without being too sweet.

Without being too sweet. Well, that's our show, the millennial show that you know and love.

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