Transcript of Love Island With Purpose: Thursday, June 4th, 2026 New

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Welcome back to The Toast and happy Thursday. Thursday, latter half energy. Hey, go Knicks! Hey Jax, how you doing?

Go Knicks!

Go Knicks! Don't you feel like everyone's talking about it?

I— as they should be, it's the finals.

The Knicks are the new Garrett Graham.

The Knicks are the new Kansas City Chiefs. Like, it's so true, it's akin to the Super Bowl. If everyone weren't talking about it, that would be a problem.

I don't know, I feel like the NBA Finals, like, it's never really like that buzzy.

Well, cuz there's 4— like, there's 7 of them technically, and it's like, you know how I feel about just one. Like, when you're one Then everyone's talking about the one.

But I do feel like when you have to win best of 7, like it's really a test of who's the better team. Sometimes like in the Super Bowl, like just 'cause you have a good game doesn't mean you're the better team. Or like someone's out with an injury.

Like the other team could have like deflated the balls.

Yeah, absolutely. Always a concern. So I do feel like it's a true test of skill. And do you feel like, obviously besides for the San Antonio Spurs and their fan base, don't you feel like everyone else is rooting for the Knicks?

Yes. 'Cause they're the underdog.

Yeah. And it's just like a beautiful story.

Yeah, I would say so. The San Antonio Spurs are extremely random.

So fucking random.

They're so random. So there's really not like— and I'm sure someone will tell me, no, the quarterback, he gives back to his community.

Victor Wembanyama, you know what I mean?

Like, I'm sure there's that. I'm sure they're community leaders and whatnot. Yeah, as they all are. Community, community, you know, it's always— there's always a story. I'm sure there's a great story.

However, it's not the story we're hearing.

They're a bit random. Like, there are a couple like bigger franchises, and the Knicks are the biggest one of the biggest franchises in the NBA. They happen to have like never won or been winning in our lifetime or been winning. So yeah, they are the obvious favorite.

They also have so many celebrity fans, which is like so fun. Lots of, uh, Timothée Chalamet was there, Tracy Morgan was there, Ben Stiller of course was there, Ben Stiller for Celebrity and Tyler Cameron were there. So Ben's on his way home. I haven't really gotten like the full rundown from him cuz I spoke to him briefly on the phone this morning and he had no voice. And then I saw Tyler Cameron like posted a video of Ben. Ben had texted me.

I saw the video.

Ben had texted me and was like, I'm having the most amazing time. I wish you were here. I'm so glad you're not. I'm like, excuse me? He said, you would be so embarrassed to be seen with me. And then I saw a video that Tyler Cameron posted of Ben just being like, let's go, Nicks, in a crazy way.

And it's like, yeah, in a, like a crowd of random people.

Yeah.

Like, yeah.

Like, no, he's just hanging out with embarrassed. I would've been. I did stay up and watch the whole game. Like, obviously the first time Ben and I don't watch a game together, I did manage to stay up. It was gripping, you know, it was neck and neck towards the end. Like, the third quarter, the Knicks were like starting to stink it up. They were down by 14 and it was like awkward.

Um, but you know, you kind of expect to lose an away game.

When you win an away game, it's like such a slight. They won, they really pulled it out at the end. And you know, it was kind of the first time I've ever watched the Knicks where like Jalen Brunson like had a bad game. And it's like, it can't be on him every single time. Like, I don't feel like bad.

It's good to know that the team is capable without him.

And so that's like, you can thank Jalen Brunson for that, because Jalen Brunson like took a pay cut so they could bring all these like good players. And like, they have really like a good team outside of him. Josh Hart, everyone stepped up. It was like, thank God, because I was like, why don't we stop giving Jalen the ball? It's just not his night. And that's okay, it doesn't— it can't always be your night. Yeah, he picked it up a little bit in the third, but like, the Knicks pulled through. It was so thrilling. It was really thrilling. And I was so happy for Ren. Like, he had— then I know— I haven't spoken to him. I know he had like a better night than our wedding. Like, he had the best time ever. Of course, like, he saw someone he knew, had an extra ticket, Got literally— Ben got like a borderline courtside. I saw him on TV like almost the whole time. He was in like the 5th row. Timothy was in the 2nd row. Like, it was insane.

Of course, by the way, Ben— and I said that, I said that to you, I said that to him when he was talking about like how he didn't know he was going to get there. I'm like, you're going to get there, you're going to schmooze your way to the top.

Yeah, like shout out Scooter Braun, who like literally brought Ben down from his seats to the court. Like, it's insane. That's so Ben. Ben sent me pictures, him and Will, uh, Businessman of the Week. Is who? Scooter Braun or Ben?

Scooter Braun for bringing Ben into the Golden Circle. I like that. I like that too.

Um, he's sending me pictures of him and Scooter Braun. He said he was just him and, uh, Walt Frazier. Like, it was insane.

Walt Whitman?

Yeah, I can never remember his name. Walt Clyde Frazier. Um, just insane. And then like on a personal level, I really actually enjoyed watching the game. It was crazy. I had to watch Love Island, so I missed the first half, which like the first half is so unnecessary.

I feel like It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Correct. And it's just like, I know that they have to have a first and a second and a third quarter so that they can have a fourth. Mm-hmm. Um, but I find them like so unnecessary.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah. That's like all sports, you know?

Yeah. I feel that way when I watch football too. Um, so the Knicks are up one. Like it was crazy when they made it to the, the finals cuz it's like, well, they're not gonna win, but like, it's, it's great that they made it there. But now it's like, no, it's feeling like they're gonna win. You think?

Yeah. It's feeling like this is their year.

Like that would be so crazy.

Yeah. I really hope that they do.

Me too.

I think—

do you think Kylie—

for me, you think Kylie will be at the next game? I think so.

I mean, it's literally hard to get tickets, but I think—

does Timothée get free tickets, or is he shelling out $200 grand? I don't feel like he is. I feel like he's a little cardboard.

So when you go to the Garden, he— I saw him on a podcast saying like one of his favorite things about being famous is the hookup he gets at the Garden, because like when he was a kid, he used to like stand outside and scalp tickets. Um, so I believe when you're when it's a home game, the Knicks want all those celebrities. I believe even in the finals, like, the, the big, big celebrities do get free seats. That's why sometimes they don't get the first row, because there are paying people who get the first row.

But last night in San Antonio, I think last night he had to buy his tickets, and he spent—

he was in the second or third row.

How much do you think that cost him?

I don't know, much less than New York.

Much less? Like, still $200 grand?

No, $200 grand in New York.

Okay, $100 grand.

Maybe $50,000.

$50 grand? Yeah. Sounds cheap. Yeah. Um, I know Kylie's like on her trip with her friends, but she needs to come back home and support her man.

She absolutely needs to go to a game. I think we're more likely to see her in New York.

Yeah, they love New York.

Um, they also get taken care of in New York. They get front row seats. And I don't think Kylie— I— there was when she went to the Cleveland game and she sat in the second row, one of those lip readers, and she was like, it's so weird not being courtside.

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, I saw a video of someone who's deaf who like lip read.

I love those girls!

Like shout out to you.

Shout out to the lip readers.

And so she's lip reading like, 'cause that's second nature to her. And she's sharing what they're saying. I love that. And she's definitely spot on.

Oh, speaking of things going on on the internet, I have to tell you something that I know you know nothing about, but you are going to love.

Okay.

So there's a movie coming out with Jennifer Lopez and Roy Kent, who's Brett Goldstein from Ted Lasso. He's like the love interest. She's doing her, one of her like dumb, like fake movies.

Yeah.

And no one's talking about the movie. I don't believe anyone's seen the movie. But the press tour that they're on, like, is genuinely, like, so fucking cute. First of all, I ship so hard.

Is he single?

I believe he's obsessed with her. Every time they're doing press, he's just so complimentary. They're sitting so close to one another, like, shoulders, like, touching. And now maybe I'm just getting caught up because people are, like, making edits of it and it's, like, so romantic. But I, I don't know, like, I ship so hard. And people in the comments are like, I don't know what about this, like, is making her so likable too. She should really lean in and date him because You know, she's had an issue with her Q score in recent years and people are obsessing. It's literally the cute— and they're two people I would never even— I think it's weird that they aren't even cast in a movie together. I ship so hard. I ship so hard. That's what she needs, like a nice Jewish husband.

Oh, he's Jewish.

His name is Brent Goldstein.

Oh, I guess so. I guess so. Yeah, very cute.

So cute. Like, I ship so hard. Keep making edits. I love edits. Yeah, you know what edits are like?

Yeah, like fan edits. I've seen like Nicolandria.

Nicolandria.

I saw the Nicolandria edits like It worked on you in the beginning. I thought they were hysterical. Like, you can really make an edit out of everything.

You can— an edit can make you like change your mind. I feel like the edits on TikTok about Off Campus is what got me to rewatch it. Like, once I was like, this show's bad, and then I watch the edits, I'm like, wait, is it?

And it worked.

Mhm. So maybe people should start making like dramatic romantic edits of us. Can you do that? Like, and I feel like that'll like encourage people to watch a Toast.

Yeah, but yeah, sure.

Edit makers.

No, no, but like, like Swirly Friendship.

Inspiring.

Yeah, inspiring.

Like, what's a motivational song? The sun is rising. Okay.

I'm not gonna stop you. Yeah.

Someone should make an edit of the bridge and it's like me and you just like through the years.

Even when you can't imagine. Oh yeah. And then like you see us like in the first studio.

I'm gonna find your way back. The second studio.

Even when you're drowning. They're in studio.

And you're going down. And then the heart hands come together. Just keep your head in the clouds. I mean, we just sort of like made our own edit, but yeah.

No, no, they have to get the, they have to piece it together. But I think that, that like journey through the years and then like we're together.

That co-journey through the years.

My favorite kind of journey is a co-journey.

Um, so last night we had Love Island, which we'll talk about at the end of the show, a little TV recap in the fifth and final story. Mm-hmm. We—

oh, I watched a little bit of In the City because I wanted to see that moment of Amanda.

I saw the cut.

And the fourth wall breaking. And I, I didn't realize that the meal that she was at with West was just her, West, and Sierra. Yikes. That's it.

That's weird.

And like West and Sierra like show up together. Like, I guess, you know, for this show they're just like Amanda's random friends, but it's like, are they showing up like as a couple? As they weren't showing up as a couple, but then Amanda's like, I love this, this is my dream come true. Oh God, yikes. But it's like so crazy. I think she meant that them being friends is her dream come true.

I don't think she knows what she meant.

Like, actually, I don't think she knows what she meant.

And they're like spotted all over Italy. They went to the wedding. Now they're still in Italy. She's rocking that bun ponytail. What did you call it yesterday?

Bunnytail. Bunnytail.

I like that. Mm-hmm. And they seem to be going strong. Like, what are the odds that they go the distance, in your professional opinion? I— oh my God, I bet there's a poly market.

Like, what people are saying— I know I'm gonna disagree with the streets, I just know it. Okay, wait, hold on, tell me what they're saying.

Oh, by the way, there is one: Amanda Batula and Wes Wilson break up before 2027, question mark.

No. You?

Oh, uh, before 2027? No, I think that they have to see it through for, for longer in order to just like not be so hated. Um, they say there's a 45% chance that they break up before the end of the year. I feel like that's like, yeah, 50/50.

Like, so okay, we're with the people.

It would be bad if they did. Yeah, I don't encourage them to do that whatsoever, even though it's not like— I don't get the vibe that they're like listening to reason. They're sort of just doing whatever they want.

They're following their hearts.

Oh, you're shipping?

No, I don't think you should always follow your heart when it leads you into the abyss.

I love those predictions on Polymarket, like such a good use of my personal encyclopedia of knowledge. Um, of course you could use code COATOS to skip the waitlist and do the pop culture markets at Polymarket.

Sometimes you need to follow your head.

Sometimes you do need to follow your head, I agree. And I think that in this situation, when the heart and the head have conflicted, she chose the heart and it was a bad decision. Yeah. Love Island was boring, but we will talk about it.

Yes, we will.

Um, and I can't tell if it's just like the start of a new season or this is a mid-group and like a mid-season.

It's the start of a new season. We have to remember that like sometimes we get an episode like that spans like 2 days. So much happens. Mm-hmm. The tectonic plates of the island have shifted. And then we get other nights like, like last night where it's like 45 minutes. We're just getting from like point A to point B. And you know what? I'm grateful. Yeah. And I've start— so I saw this reel on Instagram yesterday about this girl who's gonna be like walking on the treadmill every time she watches Love Island. And I thought that was so brilliant.

You gonna do it?

Well, it doesn't really work for me because I shower before Love Island.

Of course.

I get in my cozies. Of course. And like by that time of day, I can't even like open up a package, like, let alone start walking. Of course, if I didn't have to do the show, I would watch Love Island like the next day at 3 o'clock, walk and talk. And so I don't think that's for me. But I was watching last night while doing admin.

Yeah, using it as a productivity hour.

And it's like, I don't always have to like pause, even though that's something that I do. Like, if Zach comes in and says like, do you want a drink? I have to pause. Like, I pause everything if he's talking, if he's watching TV and it's like, talk— trying to say something to me, I'm like Are you gonna pause?

Like, yeah, I, well, that is different and I agree.

So I'm trying to do admin without pausing. Yeah.

No, using it as like a time management tool. Mm-hmm. I love, very habit stacking.

Like, but if you're in a position to like watch Love Island the next day and also like walk on the treadmill, you should do it because it's about 13,000 steps per episode. Wow. 6 weeks, 13,000 steps. Like, hello summer. Yeah.

You get a walking pad on Amazon. You don't even need to. Yeah.

This girl had such a cute like, I think it, walking pad.

I know that one. It folds and you could put it on your bed.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I really, I thought it was cool. I wish it could be me, but I can't due to scheduling conflicts.

Yeah, that should be me, but it won't be.

But so try and Love Island with purpose. I love that.

Yeah, Love Island to the top.

Like, you could even— if you have to do like a treatment, you know, a hair mask, a face mask, or like, I, I just found in my closet a red light mask. Maybe I red light during Love Island.

Yeah, yeah. What was I doing during Love Island? I was just like being such a pick me and like checking the next square. Oh yeah, I like sports. It's like literally the least big deal. Stop making it such a big deal. All girls like sports, right? Oh, just—

I don't know any—

oh, just me?

I don't know any girls who don't like sports.

Me neither, cuz I only hang out with like fellow pickmes.

That's like not liking beer.

Yeah, yeah. And honestly, I just like can't hang out with girls sometimes. Don't you feel like I'm much more of like a guys girl?

Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Yeah. Um, and the stories today question mark, you know?

Yeah, random. It's very Thursday. I feel like we've had like kind of a popping week, so like we have— and I'm worried— I get they've settled a little bit, like we don't have to like stick to the script so much, like we can talk and, and take our time, relax and be ourselves. Yeah. And then fifth and final story will also be TV recap because there is also like Love Island news happening outside of the villa as the mayor continues to speak his truth.

Oh my God, the mayor v. Shawn is like not what I had on my bingo card, but I'm very much sad for— I, I see that Shawn's mother has ended.

Like every time Shawn does something wrong, I'm like, the mayor was right about you, even though she like kind of does nothing wrong. No, he does nothing wrong. I need the mayor to be the next villager.

Or like get the mayor on After Sun.

Oh, so this is what I was going to say about After Sun. Sierra is hosting After Sun, which I'm pretty sure takes place in Fiji. I'm pretty sure. Um, I don't know that it does because the castmates, when they get kicked out of the villa, they go to After Sun.

Where does After Sun—

at the very least it's taking place in like LA. No, it doesn't. Where does it take place?

Um, Love Island USA. I'm not sure, but I don't think she's going to Fiji.

My concern was for Sierra, like how she could also do Summer House if she's doing After Sun.

Not only that, but like she's prepping for Dancing with the Stars. Like you need to— she's booked and busy, sonic.

Like she needs to be like— she's not going to do Summer House.

You think?

I do think. But then they said that she actually gave producers an ultimatum.

So like, don't make it easy for you to find out.

Oh, they don't want us to know where they do.

I think in 2024, according to this article, the spin-off After After Sun was filmed in Fiji alongside the main villa.

But it's like when someone gets sent home from the villa, they immediately go to After Sun. Where is that happening?

And has the first episode of After Sun premiered? No. So we don't really know.

No, we don't know.

I feel like no.

Do you feel this call that Afterdale greater than After Sun?

No, what I feel is that like After Sun only exists because of Afterdale. You're saying our live-streamed Riverdale after—

you're saying Afterdale walked, so After Sun could run. I completely agree. Not appreciated in its own time.

Like, I don't believe the episodes of Afterdale exist, and I think that's for the best.

One time we were live streaming Afterdale and Ben said a slur. What did he say?

The thing in the show about Riverdale was that they were always referencing like brands but changing the pronunciation a little bit for like legal— so they would, instead of America—

oh, I remember they said America, and then he said Magnolia, and he was like making fun of how like they're always changing the names of brands.

He was like, if they went to Magnolia Cupcakes, they would say like, and then he said an F.

Magnolia with an F.

Yeah, and he was like, and it was actually like genuinely the closest Afterdale ever came to a scandal.

But what I was gonna say, my Afterdale had no scandals because one time we were streaming Afterdale on Instagram where we streamed and we had 9 viewers.

I don't believe you. Wait, in the way I remember, Afterdale was like an insane hit.

So the reason why that, that scandal never surfaced is because like nobody was watching.

Actually, the crazy thing though is like 9 people were watching and one of them was the creator of Riverdale, writer Ross, he, the writer of the show, he loved Afterdale, right?

Yes, he's a huge TV writer.

If we ever do like a TV show about us, writer Ross—

yeah, that would actually be a great show.

Like, yeah, like, it exists, Two Podcasting Sisters. It's called Nobody Wants This.

That's true, but it feels—

that's not our story.

It feels different in tone.

Did you see Belle Burden went on The Fosters podcast? It was a great guest.

I feel like I did.

Yeah, she was spilling tea.

What was she saying?

Well, they were like, did you send the book to your husband? Like, what does he think of all of this?

He like doesn't think. Yeah, exactly. And so her answer very much reflected that.

She was like, I sent him the manuscript and he did request two changes. Um, and I think she said she obliged with one of them, and it was financial, like what they disclosed about the divorce. Um, and she was like, I do think he's angry, but he never said it. He never congratulated. He never said anything. Like, he's just mute.

He's just like going through life.

Like, he's like the weirdest guy.

He's a zombie.

Yeah, that was a good guess for that.

He's like body snatched. Yeah, they should actually like perform tests on him based on what she shared about him. Yeah, he has been body snatched.

Or like, it is, I think, a growing trend of like middle-aged men of generation, like having some sort of mental health crisis.

Sure. And not wanting their wife or their children and just wanting like a, a Corvette and a young wife, whatever. But I think that man would still care about the huge book that's been written about him, casting him as the villain. So the fact that he's just like blasé about the whole thing is incongruous with just a midlife crisis.

No, it's congruous with psychosis. And that also is what the book very briefly touched on. It's like there is also an element of this where it's like he's probably had a mental breakdown. Yeah, like, like a clinical issue. Yeah, medical.

Call a doctor. It does feel that way. Yeah, the more he just sorts of lets this through. And is he still the head of his hedge fund? Yes, I'm sure. And like, they're not—

yeah, no one, no one cares.

Yeah, no one cares. That's so weird.

Yeah, I guess it's also like when you're a big swinging dick man, like, with— like, nobody cares of like what, what you do. No.

And I don't care if, you know, if he's managing my money well. I don't really I really care what goes on in your personal life, for real. Um, but I do care that he might be in psychosis, correct?

Like, what if the psychosis tells him to like invest in something that's not good, right?

Right. Yeah, that's what I think.

It has like sort of checks in place at those hedge funds to make sure like one person's psychosis doesn't affect the whole portfolio.

Okay. Or like, do they have checks in place to like make sure that he's not going through psychosis?

And then, right, when you're handling people's money, it's like you should have to check in annually for some sort of like mental health visit. Yeah. Agreed. Physical and mental.

Yeah, but say he's passing all those checks, it's like, okay, so she actually just doesn't care that his name is in the toilet.

In the toilet. Well, she never said his name, but like people figured it out. Yeah. Oh, really quickly, just wanted to follow up. Um, at the beginning of the season, the new season of Friends and Neighbors, I came on and said that like the show was bad. Um, and I just watched the most recent episode and I take it back. Okay, it's sort of like the theme.

Like I watched it.

Yeah, maybe I think it speaks to me just being like a negative person and like hating things.

There is that, but I think more so is that you're impatient, you know.

You don't mean for this to become like sort of like a referendum town hall on me and like my issues, but sure, go.

I think, I think it's just an impatience, like let things bloom and let things grow.

Well, it's a really good season and James Marsden's doing an amazing job and he was an amazing cast.

Yeah.

And I've seen— I've also entered like the, the rabbit hole on Instagram about the Bobby Darin Show. Do you know about it on Broadway? And they keep like bringing in these guys, like Jonathan Groff was Bobby Darin, everybody loved him. Matthew Morrison. And now there's a lot of people requesting that, um, James Marsden go to Broadway as Bobby Darin. I'm like, I kind of love it. He's so Corny Collins Bobby Darin.

I don't know who Bobby Darin is. Somewhere.

Is that your favorite movie, Beyond the Sea, with Kevin Spacey? Or is that Margo's favorite movie?

I've never seen that.

I've never seen it either.

It's Margo Lashley's favorite movie. And he's Bobby Darin and he's not Bobby Darin.

He sings that song. Not Bobby Darin, although I'm interested in that.

I'm interested in the Broadway play.

He's like one of those Frank Sinatra types, like Dean Martin. Somewhere. Okay, and so the show Beyond the Sea, and then he had a biopic starring Kevin Spacey called Beyond the Sea that Margo Ashley— it's like literally her favorite fucking movie. Okay, you don't know that? No. Um, yeah, and then there's a Broadway play about him too.

Okay. Yeah, Bobby Darin.

I can't believe you've never seen Beyond the Sea. I feel like it's your favorite movie.

No, should I see it?

Ask Margot.

I, I feel like you're not— she— that, like, why would she know what that is?

I know, it's like you're doubting me. Okay, let's just quickly call her.

Yeah, let's just call her. I miss her. Um, okay, she left yesterday, my dear sweet Sachi.

Oh, I had a huge pimple. Just wanted to update everyone. Yeah, I'm so young, hormones boosting through me. Huge pimple, like, here, to the point that it hurt. You know, and like, I can't even talk.

Please don't pop it.

Oh, I did already, and it's so much worse. Don't pop. I covered it up.

If you take anything away from the show, don't pop your pimples.

Uh, wrong. If you want joy in your life, pop your pimples. You'll be ugly but joyful.

You got ugly.

Okay, maybe I'll leave Margaret like one of those voicemail, um, videos.

I love those because I never see them, and then I hope one day when I'm like really bored and like really missing everyone—

such a great idea. But why do people not receive them? Okay, I'm sending one.

People don't receive them. They don't.

Hey Sachi, we're recording the podcast and I was bringing up the fact that like randomly your favorite movie is Beyond the Sea, the biopic of, um, Bobby Darin. Um, can you confirm that that's true? Because Jackie's like, why would that be her favorite movie? And I just like want to prove that I know you better than her. So confirm or deny, your favorite movie is Beyond the Sea, Bobby Darin biopic. Love you, bye. Send.

We'll hear from her in 5 years.

She'll never get it. She will literally never get it.

Okay, well let's get into the story, shall we?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Without further—

did to do. It's been 20 minutes.

Time flies when you're so skinny and pretty, don't you feel?

Without further ado, it is time for the best side stories that you do need to know.

That would be a good TikTok audio, like, time flies. No, no, you were like, it's already been 20 minutes, and then I say, time flies when you're so skinny and pretty.

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Our first story, some glorious news. Love Island's Molly Mae and Tommy Fury welcome baby number 2.

Really cute.

So Molly Mae shared yesterday that they had given birth and welcomed their second baby together, a girl. She captioned it, "And then there were four," and it's a photo of like the baby on the bed with Molly, Tommy, and Bambi.

Yeah, I'm curious what the name is because like Bambi was such a cultural shift. Yeah, and like out of left field, like no one could have predicted that. And it's so crazy because I was just thinking about Molly Mae and Tommy because I'm watching Love Island and I know Love Island US and UK are so different because I was like, these two would never go on Love Island USA. Like last night when they had 3 people in a bed like filming a porno, I'm like, Tommy and Molly would fucking never. It's insane that they're from this franchise even though it's different because they're so fucking classy. Everything they do is like so high.

No, and it's crazy that like Molly— I mean, I watched it, I can't remember a certain moment, but like had to do these challenges like making out. I'm sure they did the challenges still. It wasn't as insane and graphic. And I had heard the early seasons of Love Island UK were like really raunchy, like they're showing sex in the bed. Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen those clips. But then it's smoking cigarettes. Then they went on to like cable. Yeah. And that's what Love Island USA needs. They need to be on NBC so that they have to keep it in their pants.

That's actually a really good call.

It's like because they're on Peacock, they can do whatever, should get away with it, and then more and more and more. But it's like, it's a lot.

You're right about that. I never put that together.

They need the constraints of cable. They do.

And the FCC needs to get in there and like the mothers groups and say like, Bryce, getting own bed. That was really sick. We'll save it for the TV recap. Um, but I also wanted to say one more thing.

What was it? What do you think they'll name the baby? Let's do a prediction. What was Bambi's mother's name?

What was Bambi's mother's name? Like, or like another Disney character?

No, I think they'll— you know what's just coming to me?

Cinderella. Is it a boy or a girl?

Girl. Cinderella. Do you know what's coming to me?

Just—

this is what I think. This is my predict— Dove.

So pretty. Rapunzel. I'm sticking with the Disney theme.

Bambi and Dove.

Dove is really pretty.

I love the name.

I love the name Dove too. The thing is, like, Dove is a name though, and given her track record, she likes to choose names that, like, aren't really names.

But Bambi's now a name. Okay, if you want to think about, like, mystical, mythical animals, woodland creatures.

Yeah, like someone from Madagascar or something, or like Lion King Simba, or like—

oh, Nala!

I just want to say Bambi and Nala is, like, a little too on the nose. That would be insane. Like, who was she married to, Bob Iger? Like, I think Bambi and Dove really cute.

I agree. Um, there was something else that I was thinking for a name, for a name for her. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm like, this is so fun. Um, oh, trying to think of like Frozen—

oh, Sven, such a beautiful name. Oh no, I got it, I got it! Weselton. I love it. It.

But I don't think she did Bambi because of like Disney necessarily. I think it's—

what is Bambi before the deer?

Yeah, it is a— it is a name of a deer, but it's like a very unique name. It's not like Apple.

She was so like ahead of the curve, that Gwyneth.

It's so true.

What did they say that Apple Martin is starring in? Oh, the next Nancy Meyers movie. The pressure's on.

Can't wait.

Can't wait. I'm happy for Molly.

So happy for Molly. They've come so far, like, you know what, and it's just such a great example of like work through hard things.

It's true, it's true. Don't give up on your family.

Try to make it work.

Yeah, try and make it work. And like, but it's also like a huge testament to like the men who are like living toxic lives, like to stop doing that.

Yeah, it reminds me of Whitney and Connor, another example of try and make it work.

It's true, they're making it work.

They're making it work.

And like, I've never ever been happier.

I don't want to talk about what he did because it's like, I don't want to— when you think about it too hard, it's like, what are you It's like we kind of can't come back from it, but yeah. But what if we just didn't think about it too hard? What if we moved on with forgiveness and love in our hearts and like, and real earnestness in trying to make it work for our young family?

Yeah. I, I respect them both, Whitney and Connor, and now Tommy, like setting aside like your personal grievances to like prioritize your family and keep your unit together at like a cost to your self-esteem or whatever. Is such an admirable thing to do, and it's the right thing to do, but it's the hard thing to do. So I commend them both. I hope they're so happy.

I hope so too. Mazel tov to the Furies.

Mazel tov to the Furies.

Are you ready for our next story? Another mazel. Andy Cohen— oh, this is so crazy— and his new boyfriend were all smiles during a Miami getaway. So Andy Cohen has been spotted like walking down the street.

Oh, I didn't see these pictures. I saw them walking outside of Via Corrado.

Yes, here, this is them in Miami. But I saw the Via Crudo.

You should hold the iPad further away.

Sorry, I'm like—

Why don't you zoom out more?

There you go.

Wait, like seriously, so cute. It's crazy that Andy's been in the public eye. I've read all of his books. It's not that he doesn't date, he always like keeps it under wraps. I don't think he's had like many long-term relationships, but the ones that he's had in the last 20 years, we have not known about. So they must be like married.

At what level are they at? They're like spotted together. He was at the Via Crudo thing, was his birthday party, right? Oh, was it? And so, uh, his man was on his arm.

Who is—

who, what, when, where, why, how? His name is Keith Kevin Sobieski. He is the ex-boyfriend of Pasek, of Pasek and Paul.

The world is so small. You're kidding.

Not kidding. Okay, he's a businessman.

Okay, unemployed.

I need to know his age because I would have thought like Andy would go a little younger.

Yeah, but I think at some point like when you want to be serious— and he also has two kids— like when you're actually like gonna let someone in your life and around your kids, it has to be a serious person. But that is still young. How old is Andy? He's like well into his 50s. Yeah. When I saw a picture of Andy with a boyfriend, like, I've never— we've seen him paparazzi a thousand times with fabulous friends and by himself and the dogs and the kids, and never with another like significant other. I don't know why. I think this is the craziest thing.

No, the photos were a bit shocking. Yes, yes.

And I'm very happy for him. Like, I love this sort of stable era. Um, he must be a great guy. I'm sure like SJP loves him.

Oh, I'm sure. He works at a private equity and investment firm, so he has like a real job. He graduated from Harvard.

Oh my God, like Like we should be encouraging, like he's setting an example, like date people with jobs and college degrees. It's so important.

He dated Benj Pasek from 2018 to 2022. So he's like familiar with the limelight, right?

But he's also like in a very like elite NYC gay scene.

Yes.

That's probably how they met.

Yes. And he's Andy's first public relationship in years.

Yeah. I think his last ex is John Hill, who he talks about in his book a lot, who's now like his best friend. I think he hosts Radio Andy.

That was Andy in the early 2000s, but more recently he dated epidemiologist, Clifton Dasinoko. A what? Epidemiologist.

I say epidemiologist.

Yeah, what's that? Epidemiologist.

Epidemiologist. Okay, I'm gonna say it has something to do with skin, like epidermis, right?

But it's not a dermatologist.

Analysis. Okay, epidemiology is a study and analysis of the distribution patterns and determinants of health and disease conditions in a defined population. So he's more of like a research analyst.— it is a cornerstone of public health, shapes policy decisions and evidence-based practice by identifying risk factors for disease and targets preventative healthcare. So it's not a doctor.

It's either like a very serious job or a very fake job, but it's good to be in a role where no one knows, like, goals.

I just want to say, like, Andy is the helm of Bravo, which is like this insane universe with like seriously some of the craziest fans. So I do understand why his like personal life has largely been kept secret, because that's not that's not what he signed up for. That's what the people who work for him have signed up for. Um, so I am afraid of like what the fans are gonna do.

I think the fans know better than to like mess with Andy. You know, he'll take your show right away from you. He'll fire your favorite housewife.

It's true, it's true.

So you don't want to start with him.

Did you also see Andy like have this big admission on Radio Andy? Because we've sort of been waiting. He said that there was like a crazy story about who figured out who the rat was at the Summer House reunion. Everybody was saying it was Jennifer Lawrence. He said that like he was like hyping hyped it up, like, when it happened too much. Like, they never really were able to figure out who helped them figure it out, and it wasn't Jennifer Lawrence. And he, like, regretted hyping it up because it became this whole thing, and he, like, didn't know what to do about it.

I feel like we've been there, like, and it happened.

I actually respected his—

I respect the honesty as well. Thank you. I can move on.

I also want to say, I feel like Radio Andy Andy and Watch What Happens Live Andy are two different people. You know, you're in a different mood in the morning than you are at night.

1,000%.

And I find Radio Andy, like, to be such a likable version of Andy. Whenever I see clips, I'm like, oh, that's Andy, like, the guy. On Watch What Happens I feel like sometimes he's in such a bad mood, it's so not fun to watch. But Radio Andy, I feel like he's sort of like built for radio.

Yeah, radio is fun and radio is easy. And I'm sure they don't do video. I wonder what pays more. I'd be happier like for the job that pays more and like I don't have to be on video, right? And I'm not staying up till 11:30.

Yeah, and it's like he sits and talks to his friends on Radio Andy. The host is his friend John. Like, yeah, watch him live, he has to talk to people that I know he hates.

Yeah, it's a lot, you know, to always be at that like level of like fun and like I'm the silly gay guy everyone loves.

Like, like it's annoying. Yeah, sometimes you just want to relax.

Yossify every night, every conversation, and morning. Yeah, but you're saying the morning's not like—

no, the mornings are just so chill. I also think he doesn't like the structure of his own show cuz he's always rushing through things and like—

you know what, and you know what, I'm going to say something. Cancel the after show. There's no need for the Watch What Happens Live after show. They're still doing an after show. It's, it's actual like it's an abuse of labor laws. It's true. It's— and like, we watched, watched, it's enough. Yeah, let Andy go home.

Yes, let Andy go.

Let— maybe he would like—

don't do it though, it's like an optional thing.

Maybe he would give more to the main show.

Yeah, if he knew like that it was over.

Yeah, I love that, cuz it's like if you didn't make it onto the main show, if the, if the conversation like—

what, for a reason.

And maybe, maybe like less stupid games.

No, I think everyone loves the stupid— maybe that's like fan interactions, like with the questions, cuz people like are always wasting time and it's a real trigger for him. Yeah, and Andy hates the fan questions. So yeah, like, switch it up.

Yeah, why do we have to have fan questions?

The stupid games are the best part. Sorry, like, don't do— do more of that. Like, that's silly and fun. The fan interactions, like, people do abuse the time. They don't realize, because they don't work on TV, they don't realize it's like, go, go, go.

They're like, this is their—

I loved your book, Ryan Serhan, I've been watching you for 15—

like, no. And it's like, you're finally getting to talk to your fave. I understand why, like, you want to tell them what you think.

I understand why Andy hates it too.

Yes. I do, but he needs to—

yeah, Watch Happens Live needs like a little bit of a shakeup. We need more Radio Andy energy. He's so relaxed on the radio. He's always sharing things. I feel like later in the day he's like, maybe I shared too much.

Like, yes, yeah, more, more oversharing, more oversharing. Are you ready for our next story? Just as one ship sets sail, another comes back to port. Camila Cabello and her billionaire boyfriend have split after 18 months of dating.

Hate to see a woman lose a billionaire.

You do.

It pains me.

So Camila Cabello has been dating Henry Jr. Chalhoub and and he is a 40-year-old billionaire. His family owns the luxury fashion distribution giant Chalhoub Group.

What do they own?

Let's go find out.

Yeah, so like he's not a 40-year-old billionaire, he's like a 40-year-old son.

He's a 40-year-old heiress.

And I know obviously like an heiress is amazing, like who wouldn't want to marry an heiress? But don't you feel like it's a little bit of an ick? Well, of course, it's like you have never had a job in your life.

Yeah, but there are some heirs who like heir well and they're, you know, going to take over the business and there's all different versions of like the heir son, right?

The Mango guy who killed his dad for the job.

But like, there are the ones that are primed to take over.

I mean, it's literally Yellowstone. There are Casies, there are Bess, there are Jamies.

Exactly. Um, an heiress is always fun.

They are not. That's— I was not talking about heiress. An heiress.

You're talking about a male heir.

A male heir.

It's like, and like looking through the lens of it as a romantic partner. Yeah.

And it's like, obviously, like, I would love to marry, you know, someone who's a billionaire. It's— but it's like, it's your dad's a billionaire. Like, what have you ever done in your life? I don't know. It kind of gives me the ick. I know that's crazy.

Say? So the group— oh, that's like, um, yesteryear. Oh, so like his dad is like a billionaire.

He's like— oh, like Ballerina Farm.

But yeah, no, it's— oh, you guys, Redhead's episode comes out today. I just have to record the ads. Um, you all need to listen to it. It's so fucking fire because it's like we talk about how it's just like— about like what components are like Ballerina Farm. But yes, her husband's father is like super wealthy. Ballerina Farms in real life life. Her husband's father like started JetBlue. In the book, he's like a politician, he's running for president. Okay. Um, and he is like a bad heir, like he is like a, an unmotivated, lazy heir and like has zero purpose.

I don't know Hogfathering, who is, um, I kept calling him Daniel.

Yeah, right. I don't know, his name in the book is Caleb.

I don't know Daniel, the real-life Lilib, but I actually don't think he's a bad heir. Like, he has unique interests for sure. Like, most heirs aren't into like raising cattle and creating dairy products, um, but he's a hustler. Like, I think a lot of their like commercial success was him. Like, he's— she's like very much a face, and like, she's— it's like her philosophy, but he's sort of like merchandised.

Well, that's like in the book, they go on their first date and he was like, what do you want for your life? And she was like— she grew up in Idaho, so she's like, I'd like a farm in between a couple mountains, you know, with the cow and some kids. And then she was like, what do you want? And he was like, I don't know, but that sounds nice.

Okay, but respect like not knowing what you want.

So it's like her vision that like he—

yeah, that he brought to life.

In the book it's very nefarious.

Miranda Lambert said it perfectly: Daddy gave life to Mama's dream. Like, it's beautiful. It's a timeless American tale.

That's beautiful. That reminds me also of the Cody Johnson song The Painter.

I kind of want to never speak to you again for introducing me to that song.

The Painter? So upset about how the woman like brings color to the world.

Obviously I don't see it like from a romantic— it's literally about Ruby.

Like, is Ruby the painter or are you the painter?

My life was black and white, but he's the painter.

Oh, he's the painter.

I don't remember— this is how we sing it— life before you came into the picture. Like, seriously, I can't listen to that song. It always makes me cry. Um, and it was on like my birthday.

Think about it from like Ben can't remember life before you came into the picture. Sure.

Like, I literally don't care what Ben thinks about me. Like, it's me and Ruby.

Did you listen to the song last night that I told you to listen to?

I did. Jackie was like, there's this new Dan and Shay song, like, it's so emo, like, you should listen to it, it's going to make you cry.

I heard it for the first time on Ruby's birthday.

I didn't like it, like, and I didn't think it was like powerful, and I didn't want to tell you that cuz like I don't want to shit on—

well, that's fine. I just like was listening on Ruby's birthday, he had turned 1, and it was about how like, you know, you're young and then you're going to be like the old man soon. It was just like about how time flies when you're like beautiful and skinny.

Well, that song for me is Thomas Rhett, Remember You Young. I can't fucking take that song. Also, the reason why I asked you about that song was because I'd never really listened to Fathers and Sons, Luke Combs's album, because like I, I know like, you know, Friends Are Famous, and like I know like the hits, but, um, I never really gave it like a deep dark listen to. And I was like, because you know, there'll be a time where I'm ready for that. And like my favorite song, like I also on my birth playlist that I can't listen to, is Take You With Me by Luke Combs, which is like very much Fathers and Sons coded. So I listened to Fathers and Sons and like literally I had to stop. Um, and that's why I asked you about that, Danny.

You were just like in the mood to cry. Yes, yes.

I put Ruby down early and I was like, what should I do now? Maybe I should cry. Yeah. And Bed Ones and I'm like, this feels like the perfect time to self-harm.

I know, it's a perfect time to just have a good cry. Sometimes you have to cry. Absolutely.

I cry pretty much every night when I put Ruby down. Like, um, there's like an hour between like putting him down and like when my shows start.

Yeah.

So I usually use that hour to like look at pictures from the day he was born.

You need to move to a different time zone where the shows start at 7:00. Absolutely. Because like it's 8:00 here.

It's bad for my mental health.

Yeah. So that like you could sort of skip over that hour. We'll see you on Central Time.

What was the story? Oh, Camila Cabello.

Oh yeah, Childhood Group. They the—

oh, what do they own?

Uh, the largest luxury operator in the Middle East. They represent over 300 brands, like doing distribution and retail. So like, they don't own the brands. They have a couple in-house brands that you've never heard of, but they more so like distribute in retail.

It's just crazy, like, that makes you a billionaire because like they can't even explain what they do.

Like, I don't think they want us to, um, to look into it.

I was actually just watching this insanely interesting video about Walmart Walmart, um, you know, they're headquartered in Arkansas, like this small town. I think it's called Fayetteville. Don't quote me on that. And they have created like, um, if you've ever been to the town there, it looks like, um, what's the place in San Francisco where like all the tech companies are?

Silicon Valley.

It looks like Silicon Valley, you know. Everyone has like— in the intern— like it's like a campus, like every— the parks. And Walmart built this town. And it was why Walmart decided to spend like billions of dollars creating like a basically like a, a haven. And it was like in order to attract people to come work. Not— people don't want to live in Arkansas if you're like operating at a high level like a C-suite executive. Like why would they move to Arkansas when they can get a great job in like New York or whatever? Um, so it's like the most amazing place to live. I kind of like want to work for Walmart now.

You should. What would you do there?

Um, I could be like the face of the company.

Name? In what sense?

Um, model, spokesperson.

I don't know if the models— I don't know if the models live there.

Well, I would obviously be like the in-house model. What are you not getting? Do you need me to explain it more? I'm beautiful and thin and they need a model for every—

you would model all goods?

Yeah, well, they would just generally like take my— like, you know when you like do a video game and you have to like wear all those dots on the bodysuit? I would want them to get my whole face, my whole image, so I don't have to like go to work every day modeling. They could just use my name name and likeness while I enjoy all—

you like to sit there and Fayetteville, live off the land?

Correct.

Understood. Okay, of course, of course.

They have like insane parks, like real— like all public spaces are like funded.

You love parks.

I know, it was the parks that got me. Yeah, Bentonville, thank you. Okay, Fayetteville is something else though. Yeah, it's in Arkansas.

Okay, okay, well, see you in Bentonville.

You will, you won't.

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Our next story, Amanda Francis went on The Vile Files, and she's talking about a lot of things.

Okay, did you also see that Rihanna had DM'd?

Yes, telling her like not to give up.

I kind of agreed with Rihanna's take.

Yes, so Amanda's talking about like being on the show, about Rihanna's message about how she's feeling about it next season. She still has has not made a decision. Um, she also was talking about Dorit's house, and she said, sometimes I consider buying it. She said, if it wasn't so modern, if it wasn't so pigeonholed into this one specific style, and I thought we'd have an easier time renovating it into something that would make us money, I think I would absolutely consider buying it. I like the headline, money queen buys house, but I don't think it'd be a fun renovation for us. That's funny considering the way that she renovated Kyle's house. No, is the look Dorit.

No, no, Dorit is so builder-grade farmhouse. Like, it's actually shocking that Dorit lives in a house that's like so lacking real style and like personality, cuz her style is like so colorful.

And I agree, it's like not congruous with Dorit's personal style, but that is a style. And at the time that Dorit bought her house, the style of like modern farmhouse, and like Dorit is like a huge version of it.

And what Amanda did to Kyle's house is not really farmhouse, it's very like choogy millennial.

No, like she put the black windows on and made it like white and black farmhousey.

Also, she shouldn't move. I think that there's like really good energy in that Kyle Richards house. I think Kyle would agree. I think it's like a house where like it's like a great place to raise your family. It just gives really positive vibes. I don't think she should buy Dorit's house. And also, I think Dorit's house gives terrible vibes. Like, they got divorced, it was robbed. Like, no.

Yeah, she had some, um, things to say about Dorit's finances which are hard to hear for me, but I actually think she's like saying a lot of things that make hands. She said, um, I was trying to understand how much understanding Dorit had of her finances, and she didn't know. I think it's just really obvious, if you're not sure the mortgage is getting paid, call the mortgage company. And if the mortgage isn't getting paid, even if it's supposedly your ex's responsibility, if you want to save the home, pay the mortgage and spend less on designer clothes. I love to shop, but I would never not pay my mortgage, right? She suspected that Dorit believed PK would look bad once people realized he was not paying a mortgage. And Amanda said that everyone looks bad, and she told Drea, you have to pay your bills. As far as Season 16 and her coming back to this show, she said, it's not official and I'm not sure. Even my husband was the strongest one saying you shouldn't do that again, baby. We're really unhappy. But he's had a change of heart. Um, it's more psychological space than anyone can understand.

It's kind of a painful experience.

Yeah.

Uh, she said, you can tell when you're filming with them, with the girls. She said, I think me not needing the show irritated some of my castmates. Those who need it, like, need the money, make their responses bigger than they actually are. Those who need it are always trying to make sure they're getting the camera time, and they're very different on camera than off camera. So when you get there and you feel like people are doing whatever they have to do for their strategy and their storyline and their take down, you're like, how do I ever get to know you?

I do feel like she's ripe for an amazing second season. Um, I do still believe that she's like not a good fit and poorly cast, but now, like, knowing what I know about her, I think that she's misunderstood and she could, now knowing what she knows, like, have a great season. If she doesn't have to— and I don't understand her finances, I can't lie, like, I have no idea how she's affording all of this stuff— um, then don't do it. But I think probably it's helped a lot with, like, her digital company and her digital courses, because, like, while some people think she's crazy, some people maybe resonate with the whole manifesting money.

And if she has good courses, which I feel like she does, because people— she said she has, like, such a good, like, retention rate, retention rate, and people like it. So if people like discovered her through the show and got the course, and the course is good, then that's good for her business. Yeah.

And while she started poorly, I do think by the end, like, I ended up having a lot of respect for how she handled a lot of the situations. I think like she kind of ate up some of the women, like Boze, a little bit. Um, she has potential.

I think she should come back just because she shouldn't be a one-season wonder with like the worst season.

It's such a bad way to go.

Very Peggy Suhani. And I think I think even though it's very hard for her, and she said this, like she said that like filming is just like so draining, draining on her. She had a break where she didn't film for one week over this past season just because of how things shook out. And she remembered the producer was like, how are you doing after not filming for a week? And she was like, my brain turned back on. The creativity I was able to give to my business this week is something I haven't given in months. The presence I was given to my children, I became myself again. So like that's really hard to go back. And yeah, filming is definitely like a toxic, hard situation, but especially when you're not really like in the inner circle. Circle.

But no one's protecting you.

Yeah, but no one ever thought that it's like a fun— actually, for some people, like, it seems, oh, that would be fun, you know, being pretty. It was definitely like fun and easy and light for a time.

I think it looks fun.

Yeah, but it was definitely not fun for her. I think she would have a better second season. I do think that she should come back.

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

And I do think there's more to her. I'm open. I'm open. The first episodes where people really hated her, I didn't like her, but I didn't hate her as much as everyone. And I really maintain the fact that like that whole original sin of like Kyle said this and then you made it your own opinion and you've repeated it, like it's just not that big of a deal. And that's what she means.

Like it's more so Kyle, like Dorit, and I think a little bit lost in the sauce cuz Dorit was like annoyed at this new girl talking about her, but more so at Kyle. So she was sort of collateral. If it wasn't Kyle, it would have—

it was all about Dorit and Kyle, Amanda, for the first few episodes. And And then because I think Dorit and Kyle were trying to maintain some sort of like détente, and it just wasn't that big of a deal to me, so I didn't understand all of the ire.

I also feel like she's referencing in this interview Erika a little bit, like people who need the money having like really outsized reactions. It did feel like a lot of Erika this season was like so drama over things like that weren't that big of a deal.

Yeah, I don't know, because obviously she's usually like cool as a cucumber, right? No, she was like kind of weird this season, but some of the things things like is personal stuff to her, like her friendship with Kyle and Dorit, like is real. I think she doesn't care so much when it's like up here at the surface, Sutton. I don't think she cares so much.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I don't know. Um, yeah, I guess like Dorit has big reactions, but Dorit has always had big reactions. Yeah, right. Um, who else needs the show for the most part?

And why I like the franchise is like, no, it's not like a group of like desperate financial forsaken women.

It does sound like Erika Duree. Boze?

No, Boze is fine. And Boze didn't have any like crazy outsized reactions. That's one of my favorite things about her. She's like so mellow and like very, um, measured.

Yeah, I don't know, she could be talking about Boze. She also like does just be talking. She doesn't really like Boze.

Yeah, right.

So she— I feel like she'd be shading her.

Yeah, I think she should mend her friendship with Duree.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, um, I think it was a good interview for her. Even all the quotes that I'm reading, like, she comes off like very cogent and likable. And, um, RJ, I'm, I'm open to her. Our fifth and final story, Love Island recap, a little news, is that Shawn's mother has responded to the mayor. The mayor.

So as you know, the mayor of the police department that Shawn worked for, like, spoke out about how, like, disgraceful this guy who, like, used all the resources from the police force to join the academy, become a police officer, only to quit within one year to join a show. Like, blowing up his spot— like, and while maybe that's like an argument worth having, like, publicly blowing up his spot, like, to like get attention for your police force is like really lame.

So Sean's mom responded saying, this is Sean's mom, and this makes me very sad because the mayor doesn't see what a huge missed opportunity this was. I care about facts, so let's start with Sean put in for leave. Secondly, they didn't pay for a full academy for Sean. Sean came to Pennsylvania after being a Contra Sheriff deputy since April 2021, and they paid to put him through a full academy.

So, you know, right, because he had a son.

I'm not saying they didn't do any training, but they also weren't fully honest about all the details. I'm proud of my son. It is a brave decision to put yourself out there to find love under the microscope of the world. And then also she commented something else saying he put in for leave to go on the show and it didn't come through until he had already left and it was denied.

Um, slay mama, like, yeah, protect your son. And thank you for providing those facts. I did forget, like, he had to move, so So yeah, it wasn't this particular police force that was responsible for the funding of his career. When he said he was a police officer for 6 years, the first 5 were before he moved to Pennsylvania.

Yeah, they were in Contra. But every time Sean does like anything wrong, which he's really not— he seems like, like a really nice guy, um, you know, it's like Sean V. Mayer.

Sean V. Mayer. I want to say I am hating— have they ever done this Paradise Villa thing before? The threesome?

Like Paradise Cove?

We're watching a pornography. When I saw that big jumbo boho-ass bed, I was like, hell no.

So I was doing admin when I saw what happened with the girls and Gabriel. Oh no, not Bryce.

Oh, because what happened to Bryce?

I was, I was all that, like, that was like namesake on steroids. I'm sorry, that bed was right. Zach and Kada, 3 people sleeping.

It's already crazy that they like make you sleep with your partner, but it's like a good sociological experiment. The making out, being in a room, sleeping in the same bed, over there.

I was actually not a pornography. I was glad that he was declining. Of course, because the alternative is they're not— made out with him. OnlyFans, like, this is insane. And then what happened with the girls and Gabriel?

Um, he was like giving them both the time of day, like in the bed. Oh, oh, whoa, no, I think they all just slept. Okay, but like he was definitely more into Bea in the bed, like just before conversations, they had a date afterwards. In the bed, like in the bed, they only showed it for one second, they were all just sleeping, like nothing crazy. As they all—

no one touching?

No.

Okay, that's Nice. Yeah, that's really uncomfortable. And I would feel bad for these people that like, oh my gosh, you're going on a show and now they're forcing you to like make out left, right, and center. But it's literally what they signed up for, and I'm pretty sure that they were told like, you can't not do this, so do you want to come on the show or not?

Of course. And also like Bryce and Trinity both not getting chosen by the Bombshells and having to recouple as like two losers, like I was seriously cracking up.

But maybe they could be bonded in loserdom. I kind of ship.

Well, that's how I felt. Why didn't they just also couple up Kenzie and Sean? Cuz now they're both up—

that's always a thing.

No, and they're actually— the more I saw them, like, the two goofy big smiles, I'm like, oh, you're perfect for each other.

Yeah, Trinity and Bryce are not a good match, but that's like not how couples usually happen. We always have like a couple singles, we'll get some more bombshells, we have to have people who are vulnerable. Uh, if there's a recoupling, they could— like, if the girls are picking, why would Bryce and Trinity get rematched? Oh, because they're still in their couple, like, right?

Oh, they tried to leave unsuccessfully.

Yeah, I like that they got rematched and um, I think that like maybe they'll appreciate each other now.

Then somebody on Twitter pointed out to me that Béa has clear braces, and I wish that they didn't because they're like— first of all, I need the name of her dentist. They are so fucking clear, like I can't see them. I'm like, no, what are you guys talking about? She doesn't have braces. She does. I wish somebody told me. I can't watch a show, it's so distracting. I'm always trying to catch the brace. Like, I don't know why I'm like, oh, I see it. Oh, I see. I think maybe it's only the bottom. I seriously don't know. I can't see it.

Um, it's so fucking difficult going on Love Island with braces. This is crazy work. It's insane.

Yeah. And that's what we were saying, she has so much confidence. Like, and I think that's what like really find— like people find attractive about her is she's like very person— like leads with her personality. Obviously she's like an amazing body and she's beautiful, but like her personality shines through first, which is kind of crazy. Um, so yeah, only like a person with insane self-confidence would get braces before going on TV, or not get braces on TV, or just get them taken off. Like, yeah, and then it's only 6 weeks, you can put them right back on. Nice. They're so normal looking.

Yeah, I, I don't know.

I like Shawn and Kenzie, I just want to say. Yeah, but Kenzie's—

they're not letting her go.

Kenzie's insane.

Like, why is she— producers are not letting her go.

No, of course, cuz she's clearly like the most emotional. Because to literally cry over a guy who you like kissed once on Love Island— like, all day she was crying, like in the Hideaway, in the Glam Room. Like, why are you still crying?

Yeah, but it really hurts that like Kada is the most beautiful woman on the planet.

I know, it sucks to lose Takeda.

She's insane looking. I'm really glad she's here.

Me too. Definitely brought up the group average.

Really, really beautiful. Um, and it's a lot of pressure on her to have a good personality because on this show, like, people come in— I was telling you about Adriana, like, someone from last season.

She was a bombshell and like the world stopped.

Everyone like left their— they left their wives.

They said she used to date Michael B. Jordan.

Like, yeah, like everyone was shook. Like, everyone would have left their girlfriend Andrea. Andrea. Everyone would have left their girlfriend to be with her, and then she made no impact. She made no impact. She got sent home. Like, no one wanted to couple up with her, and it's like, wow, your personality must just be such a dud. Yeah. So yes, like, pressure on you. Your looks will get you to a place, but it's not everything.

Now, the pre-existing couples, like Sincere and, um, Melanie— is that her name?— are actually really cute.

They're strong.

I want to like Anaya and Casey, but I feel like Casey he's just too excited to be dating the daughter of a basketball player. Like, when he found out, he could not like get that smile off his face. He looked like he had just like sort of like found a treasure. Like, he was like that meme, you know, the Yellowjacket guy where he's like by the train. Like, I, I actually think he's like a nice guy and I don't get like bad vibes.

I don't think that's a bad thing. It's exciting that like, I like you, oh my gosh, and I'm so excited that like you're probably married to like a family, like, and she's wealthy girl, like, great. Excitement excites me.

I don't— also, we need a meme of the Yellowjacket guy being like Casey when he found out what Anais' dad does for a living. He was so excited.

Yeah, and like, good, he should be. It's exciting. And if she was worried about like people using her for that fact, she wouldn't have shared it.

Now I have a question about Love Island, and I would think that's lame. Like, you are who you are, and I know I brought this up last season, but like, I don't really understand why they have a host and it's like always a big deal. Ariana gets her like slow-mo walkthroughs. They have this like high-profile host, and they use her sometimes for challenges, sometimes not. But like the rose ceremonies— what are they called? Fire pit ceremonies? Recoupling? Like big moments? It's all done on the texts.

I don't know.

It make— what's the point in having a host?

Maybe they don't want to like pay her hourly rate.

It's insane.

It's really weird.

She doesn't need to show up literally at all except— but she's like having cocktails with them. Like, what the fuck?

No. And she does some recouplings, but not all.

Does she?

Yeah.

I feel like she— like the host does no recouplings. It's always the phones. She does no recouplings. And like, the phones, yes, is drama.

And some challenges are with a host, with a guest host, with a host. Some challenges are like remote.

Yeah.

Who hosts the challenges? Some, I guess they have guest people coming, but like sometimes none. Yeah, just usually Ian explains to us what's going to go down. I love him. I love him.

When he said, and here comes Bryce, quoting like a, like an informal doula, an informal midwife, what's up, baby? He's actually very funny. I would think that like that shtick is stupid.

It's not.

It's very well done.

It's very surprising.

Yeah, I wonder who writes those jokes.

Like, he does. He's a comedian. Really? Yeah, there's definitely like a team of writers for sure, but he is a comedian.

Yeah, it's hysterical. Hysterical.

Hysterical.

Put Love Island on cable. Yes. That bed scene was just too much. When I saw that like XXL bed, I got a pit in my stomach. I'm like, no fucking way.

Yeah.

And then And then like, what's the new guy's name?

Gabriel.

Gabriel is like choking Béa and Trinity's just like watching on the bed.

Like it was literally porn.

It's insane that we're watching porn.

It's very weird.

It's wrong.

I know, but that's the show. So like, do you want to watch the show or not?

Like not that part.

Yeah, I sort of like want to. You can disassociate. Yeah, I want to take a stand though. Like they actually don't care about courting viewers like us.

Yeah, no, because we're not like Gen Z morons. Who like make Twitter fan pages, like they want like that really like Gen Z toxic sort of fan base.

Yeah, and more porn.

Not the level-headed millennials.

No, they really don't care. Like every criticism I've ever had, they turned it up.

Yeah, right, they just do more of it. They probably watch the show. What does Jackie O not like? Let's do more of it.

Yeah, which I don't think that's a good strategy, but I guess all my favorite shows get canceled, so maybe it is. Keep doing what you're doing. But I do think that like the show overall, like like benefits from very good marketing and just being a part of the zeitgeist. They got there with that season of, um, like Leah.

Yes, that was huge for— because we were watching Love Island USA before that season. No one was watching. No one was.

So they had like one really strong season and they're like living off of the goodwill of that. And they have very good marketing and hype, but the show is not good. So it's only a matter of time before the jig is up.

Yeah, this season— last season was very good, I will say that. I know you didn't like it, but I think in terms of drama and moments.

Like, it was there, there were moments, but like, all in all, how many hours a week are we watching? It's not good television. And it's possible to have good— see, like, there are real good seasons of shows of Love Island.

Yeah, we need, um— I know it's early, so it's just, I, I'm not feeling very hopeful about the group, about everything.

I need like more villains.

I need a mean girl like to come in. Everyone's like best friends. No, like, where's the Holly.

Yeah, but the girls always come in like, I'm not here to make friends, I'm gonna take your man. And then like next, they're like, yeah, I'm so sorry I talked to you.

Yeah, yeah, right, totally. Like, I need someone— I need a big bitch to come in. Big one. I agree. That's our show. Honestly, I think it was an amazing one. Like, I mean, they all are obviously like life-changing, um, completely unique, not ever been done before. But this one, I feel like we had a lot a good laugh.

Always. I mean, for me it's always, you know, it's just classic Jackson Claude.

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