Transcript of The Grammy Girls: Monday, February 2nd, 2026

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They sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Monday. Hope everybody's having an amazing start to their week.

I'm having an amazing start because I'm sat here with my cojourner about to hear her truth. Okay. And I'm ready. A truth in which I haven't heard because I didn't even see you this weekend.

No, I was so busy. I had so many revelatory- We're just like a bunch of coworkers going from Friday to Monday without seeing each other. I had so many revelations this weekend. That was the theme.

A revelatory weekend. Okay.

Revolatory weekend. Okay. Where do I even begin? First of all, we have a Hall of Spies, Beverly Hills is the best show ever made. I'm completely caught up on the season. I apologize for being late. I got I'm here in my own time, but I got here and that's what counts.

I am caught up as well because I saw the girlies were watching and I was like, I enjoyed the first two episodes, so I'm back in. And if Claudia is going to talk about it, I want to be caught up. So that was a great experience.

That was a revelation. Another revelation. Nordstromak is the greatest store on the planet. I've never been to a Nordstrom rack before. And like I said last week, I appreciate me getting virtually no hate comments about the fact that I've been wearing the same six things in rotation. And I decided to change that this weekend. And you know, cardboard Koji. I packed for Christmas, so I packed pretty heavily two, three weeks. And I I also always have stuff laying around your house. So I had a good amount of clothing to get me through, but obviously, my time here has been extended. I went to Nordstrom Rack. I actually went initially because I just felt like they might have good kids clothes. And again, it's 30 degrees here. I did not pack sweat pants. I packed shorts. I packed bathing suits, which we quite literally haven't worn. I went to Nordstrom Rack. I went in one girl and I came out another. It's the most amazing place. We're obsessed with T. J. Max & Marshalls, and I didn't realize Nordstrom Rack was just another one of those. Was the elf of that. And a little bit different.

And when you shop at T. J. Max & Marshalls, it's amazing, but it's a little bit repetitive because it's It's just same store, new name. Same with T. J. Max & Marshalls Homewoods.

There's only so much Converse and Rachel Zoe, you can buy for your Bebe. Correct.

Rachel Zoe. Rachel Zoe.

Even though now, I'll buy all the Rachel Zoe, I see.

Of course, to support her.

Yeah. Not She needs it, but I just want to support her.

Nord Shirmack is in this amazing place. First of all, for clothing, I literally cleared the racks for Rue. Then I was like, Let me see what they got for women. For a cojourner. I can't believe you have made no comments about my outfit today.

You look so wonderful.

My entire outfit is Nord Shirmack. I'm actually going to stand up.

Do you know what's so crazy? I don't want to take away from your revelation. I want to add to it. You went to Nord Shirmack on Sunday of this weekend and had a revelation. Weirdly enough, my husband and the boys went to Nordstrom Rack on Saturday. Randomly, we've never been. And all the time that we lived here, and they came home with a bounty of kids clothes and shoes and everything, and they were so excited, and they were like, Nordstrom Rack is amazing. And I was like, Okay, cool. And then the next day, you were like, Nordstrom Rack is amazing. Parallel Well, experiences.

And people are like, Well, you've never been to a Nordstrom Rack, and you call yourself Cardboard Coji? There is a Nordstrom Rack in the city. It's in Union Square. I'm sorry, I'm just not going there. It's such a busy... It's like a time square of downtown. So no, I have never been, and I can't believe what I've been missing out on. First of all, the beauty products. I got the- No, we have to go. Let me tell you, I was really there for Rue. I perused the women's section for all of 10 seconds, and I found three amazing things. My shirt, French Connection, $34. My pants, Linen pants. I don't know what brand they are, but They're fabulous with an elastic waistband, $24. I crushed. They had Charlotte Pillsbury. I got some makeup. I had Mac. It was amazing. So Revelation number 2.

Nordstrom Rack.

Nordstrom Rack. Oh, yeah. I went out.

Oh, yeah. You went out Saturday night.

I went out Saturday night. Yeah, that's right. I got invited to a party by Tyler Cameron. Do you guys know Tyler Cameron of the Bachelor Fame? It was so fun. So, yeah, I went out. He has this charity event that he started in honor of his mom. And It was so nice. It was a pretty legit affair, a seated gala.

And what happened?

What happened was that I lost my paddle. There was an auction, and they give you a number, and it's associated with your credit card, and I lost my paddle. And then later in the evening, I had left already, and I got a text being like, Thanks for raising your paddle. So I guess somebody picked up my paddle and bid, and it's fine. It's for charity.

For sure. But you should get whatever they bought.

I know. I don't want to ask because it's for charity.

You should write back like, Sorry, it was a little buzz.

What did I win? There was a bunch of really good prizes. We were bidding on these once in a lifetime golf experiences. Oh my God. I do wonder what I won. I'm not going to protest, of course. It's all for cheering.

But just make sure you get it. Yeah, totally. Was it star-studded?

It was like landmine-studded. Do you know what I mean?

You mean in this line of work?

When I walked in and I saw a lot of reality stars, I just had to very quickly I center myself being like, What have I said about this person? I think a bunch of the ladies from Members Only.

Okay. You haven't said.

No, because I don't know them enough, but I think I did say that they were big-time losers, which I stand by.

I feel like if you didn't watch the show, I just don't feel like it's that hurtful if you didn't actually watch it.

Jason Tardik, he's wearing Abercrombie, was there. He was not wearing Abercrombie.

I don't think you've said anything like it.

No, because I know I like him. Right. Racheal Crickeal, who I also like, I felt good about seeing. Yeah.

No, that's really scary. That's why I don't leave the house.

I know. It was horrible in the sense of like, I just need to start separating church and state. You know? Yeah.

No, it's really true. You can't live like that. But you also can't come into the show and censor yourself if someone's bringing weaning energy.

Speaking my truth.

So you did it for Tyler Cameron. You put yourself in an uncomfortable situation. You did it for a good cause. Maybe don't do it again anytime soon.

Yeah. Yeah. No, but it was great. It was really great. It was like a Balanced Weekend. Yeah, I went out. I watched so much TV this weekend. Ben and I were so... First of all, Ben is obsessed with the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. He's turning to me. I had put it on because I wanted to watch it, and it was just like, we're in this together, right? We have one... We're in this together. We're in this Airbnb. There's a TV, and whatever I'm watching, we have to watch together.

You guys are bound.

I could tell he's like, Oh, this is what we're watching. I was just like, I have to watch it for work. Just get over it. I always say that. I have to watch it for work. And literally the second Ruby went down for his naps, he was like, Are you watching? He's obsessed. Of course, he's obsessed with Bo, and he's going to do a whole thing about it on the good guys because he's just so atypical. With Bo's? Just about the Real Housewives, but Bo's is his favorite. Oh, okay. He thinks Kyle's really cool. He thinks Sutton's a loser. And he comes into it with no context. He can see no shit. Or history. So he's just watching this season. Those are his takes, and he seriously can't get over Amanda.

Oh, okay. So let's recap at the end of the show. We'll recap everything that we watched up until this point. We have a little bit of Real Housewives news, so we'll group it all together.

Great. We watched the Grammys last night. I watched, I would say, 80%. By 10: 30, I had to go.

Yeah, there was something that was my 13th reason for turning it off. I was very tolerant. I think I watched past 10: 00. I can't remember what it was, and I was like, And now I'm done here. My watch has ended. Yeah.

It was just late, too.

It was also just bad.

So there was- Oh, that's so funny. I didn't think it was bad.

There was only so much I could take. There were some good moments, like Bruno Mars performing not once, but twice.

Yeah.

That meant a lot to me. Yeah.

I feel like it had that very classic award show stank with inseverable people just being so out of touch. But I feel like the performances, I actually really enjoyed the show.

Oh, I thought the performances... Well, I want to go performance- We're going to break it down. I can't group them all together because some were good and some were bad. But overall, it was just I wasn't enjoying myself.

I feel like a lot of the times I watch the Grammys and I feel so old. I'm like, not only do I not know any of these people, but I sound like an old curmudgeon being like, back in my day, we to real music. And last night, I felt like, didn't have a ton of that. The new artist category, which we will get into, had a little bit of that.

Of what?

Of like, this isn't music. I don't know these people. I feel old. And back in my day, we use instruments. Yeah. But for the most part, I actually really was enjoying myself.

Oh, that's so...

I'm a positive person.

I'm a positive person. That's so nice to hear. Let's get into the story so we can talk about the Grammys because I want to share my thoughts. So without further ado, here are the Fast Five stories that you two need to know.

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Thank you, SlashChert. You're welcome. First story, Grammys recap. Let's go through the show in chronological order. We'll talk about the performances, the awards, the host. The show opened with Rosé and Bruno Mars singing my song of the Year, Appata, which should have been everything to me, but it didn't sound really good.

So what's interesting, and I said to Ben, it's such a good song. It can't sound bad.

Yeah, they did an arrangement, but also things were louder than other things, and it just didn't... It wasn't amazing, even though I would have loved for it to I feel like they're at a place where they both have probably sing that song so many fucking times, and it gets old no matter how good a song is.

So yes, they did this punk emo arrangement, which was not my favorite by any means. But I felt like Cynthia Reevo. I didn't know that was happening. I didn't even know Bruno Mars was scheduled to be at this affair because he just gets nominated all the time. And so the fact that it opened with my boyfriend singing one of my favorite songs, I was not going to be unhappy. And yes, it was different. And was it the best? No. But I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed it because- It's our boyfriend. It's my boyfriend. I'm sitting there with Bruno. My dog is already named after Bruno Mars. That's how much my family loves Bruno Mars. Now we're having a brandesance because he's putting out an album and he's going to be back. He's going on tour. We're going. Everything was all lining up to be good, but then it just didn't sound good. I think there were some audio issues which we saw with Alex Warren, which we'll get into.

I was able to look past the audio issues because I was excited. It was just starting. I'm like, Oh, this is how we're starting? Okay. Whoever opens the awards. It sets the tone for what show it's going to be. So I feel like with Bruno being there, I liked the tone that it was setting.

Me too. I loved everything except for how it sounded.

I know. And you know what? I'm not getting bogged down with how it sounded.

No, no. And I'm just glad that they gave us Appetit. And they knew that it was big enough to do it first and the biggest. Great. Happy for them. Trevor Noah hosted- Again.

Oh, my God. And I didn't, first of all, we didn't cover it, obviously. I don't know if it was a big news story because usually when these big award shows have a host, it becomes a thing. So either nobody cared or they didn't announce it. But I didn't realize it's been six years. I'm like, It's really enough. It was enough after the first year. I'm personally not a Trevor Noah fan. I wish he did something different this year. Tried being funny. I feel like that would have been really good. I would have liked that.

I don't know if my brain is just mush. I couldn't process what he was saying in the room that he was saying with all these people around him. He's talking so fast. I had no idea what he was saying.

It was very manic. And It was very manic.

I felt like if I looked at my phone for one second, I was also trying to answer some emails. I had no idea what was going on. I would pick my head up and he's just sitting there with Bad Bunny. I'm like, What? It was very confusing.

Yeah, well, the layout of the room, and I think that is his style, is fast speed talking, similar to what we do, but it's just not the right venue for it. I thought some of his jokes, I was really shocked that we were saying such airplane food comedy. Can I get a discount at Louis Vuitton, Pharrell. It was just really low-hanging fruit. It is an impossible job, but Nikki Glaser- Does it time and again? Proves time and time again. It's actually not. He was just pissing me off with his ratata, fast speaking unfunny jokes. He said it's his last year, and I think this was his way of going out with a bang. I think he made some jokes that he maybe was holding back last year.

Was the bang in the room with us?

Not my room. Not my bang. I It was my least favorite part, Trevor Noah. I'm just not a Trevor Noah fan. I feel like he's just a part of that group of industry plant comedians. I don't know how many rip-roaring fans he has. I don't know. I'm just like, I'm over it.

It was a lot. The chairs were so packed together. There's like, celebrities in every corner of the TV. I'm trying to hear what he said.

You could tell they were hiding from the camera.

It's like, get to the point of what you're saying, and there's just too much going on. I don't like the format.

Did you see there was a guy who kept standing up right in front of the camera? He either didn't know the camera was on or that the show had started.

I saw it afterwards. It was Kelti's husband.

I was like, Oh, my God, that guy looks like Kelti's husband, and he is in music. He's a really big music executive. I feel like that might be him. But I don't know 100% what he looks like. And then Kelti posted on her Instagram, I'm like, Yeah, sorry. I wasn't there to tell him to sit down. It was actually so painful. Hilarious. That was funny, but that was not really Trevor's doing. That was more so Chris is doing.

Trevor was noticeably irritated. It's like, what did you expect? You put the camera in the middle of a crowded floor.

Standing in the audience, Why don't you get on stage? Him being in the... It was so manic. It was really crazy. I did not like it.

It was really crazy. I feel like they hope that they're going to get good celebrity reactions in the background of stuff. Yes. That's so 10 years ago.

It's low hanging fruit.

That's so 10 years ago. Like, Oh, my God. Audience reaction, gif.

If we're bringing- If we're bringing things back from 10 years ago, you know what I'd like to bring back? Put the camera on all the colonies for when they find out that they won or lost. I'm sorry. It's fun. I feel like they try to save face. No, I like it. Bring it back.

Yeah. Then, Breener performed, Queen Breaner performed Man Child from Sabrina Carpenter, Air. She brought an airplane. It was like very 1910. 10 AM. 10 AM. Very Amanda.

Amanda Francis. Yes.

Sabrina Carpenter performed as Amanda Francis.

I just love that girl. I know. She didn't win one award last night, but it wasn't her year. Last year was her year, and she had a lot of good stuff this year, enough to nominated, but really not enough to win. But that performance was just... It had everything. It had the dancing, it had the TikTok dance, it had the song, it had the vocals, it had the outfit, it had the esthetic. I could have done without the bird because one, leave the bird alone, and two, the bird fell. But other than that, I just felt like so everyone should go home.

Yeah, it felt very effortless, too. She was so comfortable, not nervous at all. She's just walking, strutting, saying- And I like my voice, laying, I dig it.

And she has so much fun when she does it. This is someone who loves their job. I just felt like they should have ended the performances after that. She was so good. I felt bad for everyone else. You know what performance so good? It makes you feel bad for everyone? Don't even bother.

Yeah, but it's like, this didn't make me feel bad for anyone because I feel like vocally, she's amazing, but it's not like she has something that no one else can achieve. So everyone is capable of this greatness. Who can sing?

Who can carry- Meet her here.

Yeah. It's not like Mariah Carey. Well, you all were born can't sing in that. Sorry. Yeah. Next, Kendrick Lamar, one best rap album.

That felt right.

Yeah. Best new artist, Medley.

Okay.

So what they did was best new artist nominees. They all performed one after the other. They all got ample time to perform.

So did you feel like the Maria's got a little bit more?

It felt long. It just felt really long.

One thousand %.

Because time flies when you're having fun, and it crawls when you're not.

The medleys is where I was starting to feel distant from the new generation. And it pains me to say, Obviously, I don't know the Maria's, and that girl was talented, but that music was dreadful. And then they went into Addison. I feel like since Addison's launch on TikTok, no two people have been more supportive of her. I love that she chose music as she was doing acting and then social media, and she chose music, and she's giving it her whole heart. It's not the of pop stardom I wanted. And that doesn't mean that it's bad or good. It's just not what I... It's very Charlie XCX Lana Del Rey, whereas I'm much more like Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpenter, more obvious. And then that performance was really shocking in its badness. The song Fame as a Gun, I've heard that one eight-second clip from Ticke. I know the eight seconds. I had never heard the whole song before, and it was really shocking how not good it was. The dancing, it was all so crazy.

It was not good. It felt cheap to me, the dancing and the backstage. I want the most for her, and I've always been supportive of her, and I always will. I will never be a hater, but you have to be able to just be like, That wasn't the greatest.

Yeah. I just know it was killing Tate McRay. Because when she showed up on that truck, it was from a really far camera distance. I was like, Oh, was that Tate McRay? Was she nominated? The whole thing was giving just really try hard. And the vocals weren't great. The dancing, everything was operating at a very mediocre level.

Yeah. And she's a really great dancer. So they did the dance break, and the dance break wasn't dance break.

Yeah. It wasn't good. Yeah. And then to Catseye.

Yikes. Yeah. Okay. So they perform their song, Nourly. This is what I think I know about Catseye. Are they the group from the Netflix show?

Okay.

I think that they are.

They are. But do they not sing Golden?

No.

Oh, okay.

They are the group from the Netflix show. Are they K-pop?

Or are they just a band? I feel like bands these days.

I feel like making the band. I just feel like bands. They're the Danity K.

Or K-pop. I don't know any other bands. Like singing groups.

Well, because they are mimicking Blackpink and what they bring, which is like fire dance moves all in unison.

They were not in unison.

They sing their song. They shouted their song Narly.

It was nutty.

It was nutty. At random times, they're just someone's shouting, Nourly.

It was interesting to watch them as a collective, but then also focus individually.

It was giving Fifth Harmon.

Yes, exactly. It was giving Fifth Harmon. So with those back to back Marias, I was like, damn, this new generation of music is not cutting it. And then things started to slowly get better with Leon Thomas, who I completely discovered in that moment. Ben was like, That looks like Andre from Victoria's. I'm like, Of course, you would know that. It is. I didn't know that that was happening, much like Cynthia Arevo, that Andre, who's name is Leon Thomas, he's also a Grammy winner. He's been around for a little bit. He won last night.

I've heard the name. Yes.

And I just hadn't put together that that was Andre. That school really was a performing arts school. They were churning out the stars. And I just know it kills Victoria Justice. Another one bites the dust. Ariana Grande, Leon Thomas. She was right, though. They really do all sing. Yeah. Crushed it. I thought his performance was great. And I wasn't familiar with his music, but if he'd won, I would have thought it was well deserved. So that's when it started to get better for me.

Yeah. We needed a break from the chaos.

And it was just refreshing to see a guitar. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Bring back guitars. I feel like I never see guitars anymore. Like, instruments.

Well, you saw a guitar on Justin Bieber. Yeah, we'll talk about that. You saw one.

I saw one.

But you didn't hear one.

No, but it was like, loop de loop.

Yeah. Then Alex Warren performed Ordinary, and I feel so bad for him today. I know he cried himself to sleep because he couldn't hear himself. It wasn't his fault. He started singing. From the moment the camera was on him- He started touching his monitor. He's touching his ear, and he's walking through the crowd, and it's so chaotic, and he's thinking, What am I singing in my ear? He's not enjoying himself. Then he gets to the stage and he rips it off. Usually, that's like, Okay, let it rip. He was just not with the music music. Thankfully, he put it back in. And then by the time he was uplifted singing the chorus, he was on track. But you just know he is so upset.

I was so upset. It was devastating. What a big deal to be nominated for best new artist. I think a lot of people have crazy come-up stories, but his is really... We know him from the Hype house, but before that, he was homeless. He's an orphan. Just a real rags to riches story, a real success story. Just devastated. And seriously, I don't know whose job it was to make sure the monitors were on, but I want him to be held accountable. I feel so bad. It wasn't like Alex Warren stunk it up. No, not at all. It was not his fault.

I felt so sad. His voice sounds great. He wasn't with his music, and he couldn't hear. And that was really sad. My heart goes out to him, and I just want to tell him, the Grammys aren't that big of a deal. Don't worry about it. You'll go on. No one was watching.

In your life, you'll do things greater than singing at... Maybe you won't, but- I think he will.

No one was watching, seriously. We're all going to forget about it.

I just want to say, he gets a lot of... I see music, people who criticize music, they call him and Olivia Dean, they call it supermarket music. They say it's similar to Megan Treanor, music that just sounds good and people like. And after those three dreadful performances, I was like, We need to erase this stigma around supermarket music, because what you're telling me is supermarket music is good. It sounds nice. It's joyful. Yeah. Okay, so what's your... Somebody asked me what I like. I like supermarket music.

I love supermarket music. That's always how I know something's a hit. I'm like, I heard it at the supermarket.

Yeah. And I think that's look down on from music critics and what the Maria's is considered good. Sorry. No, bring back supermarket music. I felt so bad for him. It was as an empath myself. I couldn't recover after that.

Yeah, me neither. And I'm also glad that he didn't win because I don't think he could have given a speech after that. I think his night was thoroughly ruined. Another year will be his Grammys here. He'll have an amazing performance and he will I just... That was not it.

And that was- It was triggering for me, though, given the Picasso of it all.

Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't realize that was happening. Then Lola Young sang Scream Messy.

That was such a crazy performance.

She's a crazy girl, and I like crazy.

I agree. And that song is really good. The rendition was just not for me. I appreciate her trying to do something new and different. She is an extremely talented vocalist, and I think she wanted to show that off, and she just went sideways.

She went too high and loud and fawn.

Yeah, it was a crazy performance.

It was. It was a crazy evening for Lola. She wound up winning an award for Messy Best Pop vocals, which I think is earned. The vocals on that song are insane. And she shouted her thing. She's a shouter. She's just a crazy person. But the Grammys are for the crazy people, for Lady Gaga, for Jack.

That's why we're on that outfit. For Lola.

Yeah. And Alex Warren is just not crazy enough.

I know. That's what he's supermarket. Same with Olivia Deane did win.

Then went to Olivia Deane, she saying, Man, I I love watching her perform, and she brought the same energy from all of her performances to the Grammys. So I feel like people who didn't know who she was or weren't familiar with her game were able to see what we all see. And then she won, and it was so earned after that medley.

It was just very clear after the lead up of the performance is that she was the winner, right? I mean, from the dreadful nonsense to the just noise from Cat's Eye, it was very clear. If she didn't win, there was something really wrong with that category.

Well, Somber also performed.

So you You know what? We've talked about Somber a few times, and I feel like- Is that the one dating Dakota Johnson? No, that's the role model.

Sally? We talked about- Oh, my God. I don't have it as a story. Sally's 25th birthday.

We could talk about it after. It's not a story. It is. So Samba we talked about because he was at the dinner where Taylor Swift was giving out Loves of Her Bread. And then we were like, Who is it?

And he performs on SNL. Yes.

And I've been learning so much about Sombra in the last 24 hours, and everything I learned about him, I love. Ready? First of all, his performance was incredible. I do know that song, In a room full of People I Look For You. It sounds different.

I know it, too.

It's very disco. I like it a lot. No one's doing music like that. I need to add it. It's good. And he looks like a nerd. So you just don't think he's going to have Riz.

I thought it was going to be Benson.

No, it was so different. I loved it. And wait, wait till you hear this, you're going to love him even more. Jew.

What's his real name? Mosh.

Wait, his last name? Somebody told me it's like Safdi, like something really Jewish, like Sofitel or something.

Umber.

He grew up on the Lower East Side.

Shane Michael Boos.

No, that's not what I heard. Are you sure that's his last name? Yeah. Let me see.

I feel like you're just like... Oh my God. There's a question people also ask. This is not a sentence. Is Somber a neppo?

He's not. I believe he was raised by a single mom on the Lower East Side.

Okay, let me go to his...

You sure that's his real name?

That's what's coming up on this tab.

What tab is that?

On Google, right there. Somber is the stage name of Shane Michael Boos. None of that is really giving you.

No, I'm telling you it's wrong.

Are you sure it's not Role Model?

I'm positive.

Or Benson Boon? I'm sorry. Sure. Where did you hear that?

Just the comments, I guess. He was raised on the Laura East Side. Oh, thank you. He's the son of Benna Sarfati. That was the name that I heard. And Andy Boos, who have both worked for Amfar. That's not Nipo.

No. Well, it depends on my capacity.

He was really good. I really liked him. He shouldn't win because having one good song does not a new artist make. But I felt like it was a great global stage for him.

I agree. I would have been happy for Alex Warren to win that also would have been learned. Me too. But no notes on Olivia Deane.

No notes. And she was one of my best dressed in that Chanel dress.

Yeah. Love. Then Justin Bieber came out in his Yeah, so brave.

I said to Ben, You have to not eat all day to be on stage in your undies. What if you sat in undies? What if you pee a little?

What if you're sharp? You can't not sharp it three minutes.

It's a scary thing. He's performing for the first time in many years. It's just a crazy move for the first time performing your undies.

Well, not because of an accidental PR chart. So many things. But just because it's a very shocking thing to see.

I understood the message, the metaphor. He was stripped down, right?

Yeah. It's just him in his room messing with his music and like, ripping about his lady love. He sang Yukon naked with a guitar on him.

We saw a new tattoo. He's got a big picture of Haley on his back. Yeah. I like that song. It's not my favorite. I so could have used it. Just take it some, honey. I get it, I get it, I get it. But clearly, he wanted... He had this vision, whatever. You know what? What's good for Justin is good for me. He's got an amazing voice. Voice. He seemed to be doing really well. Haley was so supportive, and it was good. It was fine.

He successfully performed. I think people were worried about what's it going to be like to see him live. He sounded really good. Right.

People forget he has one of the best voices.

It was not Pee Pee Poo Poo?

No, not at all.

Even though the undies were a shock. I think in talking about it, I understand what he was trying to say and do. He's just like a boy in his room. It's just like, this is me. No, like, spark or no costume. I'm not even going to wear a shirt. Right.

That's how-It's very distracting.

That's how undistracted you'll be like, And this is how I made this song about the woman that I love.

And they kept cutting to Haley.

That was really good that they did that. I appreciated that.

We got a lot of Haley. They were seated in Trevor Noah's unfortunate realm of closeness. But I liked it. Yeah. I'm not going to say I understood it completely. She used a driver, you gone. I liked it.

I liked it as much as I could for not knowing For wearing your undies. No, no, no. I've heard maybe bits of that song, but I don't really know it. I didn't listen to Swag. So it's like, watching someone that I'm not a huge fan of watching a living scene. It was good, though. No, it was good. Job well done. Check. We can exhale. Yeah, right. Bad Bunny won the award for Best Musica Urbana album.

Okay, Musica Urbana. Could you talk less What do you want me to say?

Musica Urbana?

Yes.

You really want me to say that.

Musica Urbana.

You really want me... You think that- More than anything. I think that's more offensive than if I just say- Musica Urbana. Musica Urbana.

Well deserved.

Yeah.

I wasn't familiar with Carol G and her beauty.

Yes. At the beginning of the show, they cut to a beautiful woman. I said, Oh, who's that random beautiful woman? I've seen Carol G perform because she performs at a lot of these award shows, and I didn't recognize her. And then when she came to present the award, I was like, Oh, that's Carol G.

That's a beautiful woman. And her and Marcella, that stick made me laugh. Oh, yeah. My future kids are going to clean the house, too. Very funny.

I agree. Also, Trevor Noah kept making these jokes about Bad Bunny in the Super Bowl and how he can perform tonight because he's playing the Super Bowl. Can we get you to perform?

Why don't you just respect his boundaries?

It just was not funny.

Yeah.

Then Lady Gaga performed Abracadabra.

And much like Appata, I believe it's a song she's probably beat to the ground, right? It was one of the biggest songs this year. She was on tour. When I went to see her at Madison Square Garden, they started the show an hour late because she performed Abracadabra six times, and they filmed it for the VMA. So this is a song she's beat to death. So I understand her wanting to reinvent it in a sense. The Lampshade, everything. She is who she thinks she is, and she is who all these other bitches think that they are. And when we talk about crazy artists, all of it is fake, all of it is performative. Lady Gaga is so the real thing. She's the craziest person on the planet. And what I love about her is I don't get it, right? I don't understand anything that she does, but she never sacrifices the quality of her performance because, yes, it was insane. It was an amazing performance of that song. So while I don't understand it, I can enjoy it.

Yeah.

And I appreciate that. She is who Chaperone thinks she is, with her nipples out. Please.

Oh, my God. That dress of Chaperone.

It was obviously fake nipples, right? Because I didn't see pink.

Oh, I didn't look for Areoli. I felt like I was watching a medieval torture chamber. Like that.

Yeah. No. Chilling.

Chilling.

Did you feel like... I know she's still really big, but definitely the chap fell Well- Because do you remember last year when every single person was thanking her, and during her performance, it was all anyone was talking about. It was like all the celebrities were tripping over themselves to get near her. She was this godlike figure. And she released one or two songs this year. One of them was nominated The subway. But don't you feel like it's just all that hype?

I wanted to say, don't they say there's a best new artist curse? Yeah. And then I'm like, well, wait, no. Chapel were one last year. Maybe it's not.

Yeah. No, I just think it's not a curse. It's just like, sometimes people go places and sometimes they don't. I think there are famous people who have lost it. I think Christina Aguilera lost it.

I think Justin Bieber lost it. Right.

But I think there are some clear people who have won it. I think Soline Dion won. So it's just like 50/50. They're just guessing.

Yeah. It wasn't Chapel's Here, and that's fine. I love Dabra Kedaba. I love that song. I also, because I was watching with captions, I got to hear some- Of the lyrics? Of the lyrics that I was just always like,. She sang The floor is on fire.

Yeah, it's such a good song. I actually, when I went to Mayhem, that's when I really started to appreciate it because I heard it 10 times. And I was like, You know what? This song is really good. I feel like it was a It was a great night for Gaga.

It was because she also won Best Pop-Vocal- Intemporary. Album. It was a weird year for just like... There was no clear winners. I feel like everybody won their category. Everybody won something. But her speech was... And then And by the way, she gives a crazy performance and then an incredibly cogent speech.

She's very intelligent.

She was just like, I really appreciate hard work and craftsmanship, and that's what this album is to me. I think the fact that she was able to put out a crazy artistic piece of but also have it be commercially successful is the dream for her.

Yeah. I also, I don't know. She's at this level where I don't think she would be excited about winning pop contemporary. I didn't even know that was a category. I know pop vocal, but pop contemporary. She was so humbled and so honored I just feel like for me, her Q score went up so much. I've always loved her. I love her music. She's crazy. But I feel like I understand her a little bit more. And her and her man, her audio engineering man, she looked so normal in so many senses, even though she is this crazy person.

You know who she is? She's that quote, Flabert.

Yes. Oh, my God. She is Flubbert.

She is Flubbert. This is the quote that I love. Yeah. Be regular and orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work.

Yeah, because I feel like she lives a very normal home life. Her man is so normal. Even when she was speaking, she was soft-spoken. You wouldn't think she was that crazy bitch who was just doing that lampshade performance. I feel like it was such a great night for her. I'm so happy for her. And that album is so good.

Yeah, I listen to it. Usually whenever I watch an award, they're like, Find new music, or I'm reminded of something. This morning, I was like, Play Mayhem, Lady Gaga. I could be a doctor, I could kill your disease. Also, I feel like she hasn't won an award in a long time. So I felt like it meant a lot to her. There was a time where she was sweeping and then to put out an album, let's say 10, 15 years after...

Born this way.

And be showing all these bitches.

How it's done.

I think that it's even more meaningful.

Yeah. And I just think it's very clear she has a happy home life, and that was coming through for me. She feels very fulfilled.

Jelly Roll won best contemporary country album.

I was really shocked by that. I don't know why.

Well, I didn't have a horse in the race of albums that were nominated.

I thought Eric Church was going to win.

The industry loves Jelly Roll, the mainstream, not just country music and country radio, but pop and Hollywood loves Jelly Roll.

Yes. He's getting tapped a lot. So It was a pop-off king.

Yeah, and he was so excited to win.

It's nice to see people who these things mean a lot, too. Yeah, I agree. It's nice to be excited.

When it means something to someone. Then we had Bruno Mars performing his new song, I Just Might.

Okay, the vocals weren't there for me, honestly. But were you shocked? First of all, I love that song. It's brand new. It's a week old. Were you surprised that everyone in the audience knew the words, like the celebrity?

Do you know the words?

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah, but it's a one week old song, and the celebrities knew it. I feel like more so than other performances, they kept cutting to people in the audience. These huge stars, everybody was mouthing the words. I'm like, How do you guys know it? I just feel like he is peerless. He sets the standard.

Yeah, he does. I really enjoy the performance.

Me too. I love...

What are his bandmates called? The Hooligans.

Oh, I live for those hooligans. They are supremely talented, and it's giving guitar. Yeah. Like, live vocals. Yeah, maybe he could have had a back track sound a little better. No. Everything with Bruno was like, live music, live vocals, live dancing. I loved it.

Yeah.

And I'm glad he's back in the mix.

Me as well. And then next year, he'll be nominated for Best Album, and we'll get more brute-to-do, brute-to-do, brute-to-do, brute-to-do. Exactly. Billy Eilish, one song of the year for Wildflower.

Okay, that's just wrong. I hate when things are wrong. Now, Golden was so clearly the song of the year. But if we just want to get factual, this song came out in 2024. It's from the Barbi movie, right? It's that one?

No, that's made for...

I don't know how it feels. Is that the song?

No, the Barbi movie one is like, I'm what I was made for.

Is that not Wildflower?

No, it's called What I was Made For.

Okay, fine. You're right about that. It sounds exactly the same. This song wasn't even the year of the song it was released, so it certainly wasn't the song of the year after it was released. But I guess through some like, fuck-oct backwards way, they re-released it or whatever. So it wasn't even released this year. I had to Google it. I'm like, Wait, what's that song? Oh, yeah, I've heard a little bit of it on TikTok. So it was not the song of the year. Can you read me the other homies? Yes.

Abracadabra.

Better suited.

Anxiety, Doche.

I thought that was going to win. I forgot because it was six months ago. That was everywhere. And it's so good and different. That was the song of the year.

Appta.

Global song of the year.

I think so, too. Dtmf, Bad Bunny.

Also could have won, and I would have had no issue. Like, literally any of the songs could have won, and I would have had an argument to support it. I do not have an argument here.

Golden.

Except, actually, the only argument that I would make for why they might have won, and that was the one that was delivered by Carole King, right? So they were really leaning into the songwriting of it all. Every song in that category, they would put the songwriters at the bottom. It was like a paragraph, like 10 people. Billy Eilish's was her and her brother, and that I have to give credit, even though I find her insufferable, that is impressive. Like, how many people it takes to write a three-minute song if it is about songwriting.

Yeah. And then, Record of the year is more about like Bop City.

Yeah, which went to Sizzah and... Kendrick Lamar. So I have no issue with that either. And especially because I think it's important that the song of the year be released that year. Not to be stickler for the rules, but- But sure, if it's about the songwriting, that's fine.

Manchild also was nominated and Luther and- Oh, Manchild also was one of the ones that had less.

It had maybe three or four.

It was just Breena and Jack.

Her Jack and maybe one other person.

And Amy Allen. Yeah. I agree.

But for Appetit, Jackie, it was like 15 people. It was like, insane.

I mean.

It just sounds like it's crazy.

I'm coming to get you. I'll get you, get you. All day, all day, all day.

I'm on my It's so good.

It's so good. It should have been record of the year. I think something like more Bop City-ish should have been a record of the year. So like, Appetit or Anxiety. Then, oh, Tyler Cameron.

Tyler Cameron, Creator.

Tyler, the Creator, Perform. I think the simulation of vehicular manslauter might have been when I turned off the show. They hit someone with a car, and that was the performance.

And then they blew up the gas station. They hit them. It was really crazy. It was The Performance Art. I did know that song because it was a trending. Like, Sugar, my song. Oh, yeah. Song, your body is so sweet. I will just be honest. I didn't understand it. Call me- The Performance. Yeah, I I'm not getting any of it. So, yeah, I didn't get it.

Yeah, I thought it was crazy to hit someone with a car and then dance around it.

It's just a little insensitive.

Pharrell won Dr. Dre Global Impact Award. Yes, yes, yes. Reba led the In Memorium tribute.

I'm not going to lie, I did miss all of this. I was fast asleep.

And Osi Osborne tribute medley.

Oh, that's nice. I feel like they were like, dangling Reba in front of us being like, For the first time she's performing. And it was like, For the In Memorium, why don't you just do like a Reba tribute? I would have appreciated that. I feel like it's like a slap in the face to be given the in memoriam performance.

You think so?

I do.

I think you can make it really beautiful.

Well, of course.

And then Cher received a Lifetime Achievement Award, and she also presented for a record of the Year, and it was for Luther. The song. And she said she gave it to Luther Vandros. And you know what?

It's about time Luther Vandros is recognized. I mean, that song, Dance with my father again. Like, Good luck not crying. Luther Vandros has long been snubbed. I agree. And I like that Cher took matters into her own hands.

This is for Luther Vandros. It's so funny. And then Bad Bunny, one album of the year.

Well deserved. I have no issue I wasn't rooting for anyone in particular.

For Debbie Thierard, Moss photos.

Moss photos. I think they all could have won, and I would have been happy about it. There's no one here that it's undeserved.

This wasn't a year where there was a clear winner for me.

Or sweeper. I guess the sweeper is Bad Bunny.

Because it won two or three times.

And he's the first person ever to win Latin Album of the Year, which is crazy. It's giving like, Casey Musgraves when she won Golden Hour Country Album of the Year, which is a big deal. And then also, that's cool.

But did she also win like, songs? I feel like for the last few years, they give everybody one, and it's not really sweepy. And in general, I do like a sweep, but this wasn't a year of sweep.

No, nobody swept.

Those are the Grammys. I hope that everybody who watched them enjoyed them.

Yeah. And Trevor made it a big thing. They're not going to be on CBS anymore, and he's not hosting. I wonder where they're going.

Why do I care? Yeah. I'm just turning on my TV. Yeah.

He was making it our problem.

To the TV guide, and I click Grammys. I don't actually look at where it's at.

I actually didn't realize I was watching CBS.

I have no idea.

Until he brought it up. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, right. Just put it on. I was watching it on YouTube TV. You know what I mean?

Not on CVS. Unless they're going to another platform. Right.

Which would be a big deal. I don't give a rip. I don't give a rip. A thousand %. That's so funny.

Also, major news, Steven Spielberg is Egot after this awards season.

I just feel like he's not.

No, I feel like he is. And I'm not a Spielberg swirly, so don't get it twisted. But this feels right.

Somebody who should be an Egot.

He does work across all mediums.

Really? I feel like he just directs movies. What else does he do?

I don't know. He did West Side Story, so movie musical. A movie. But there's music involved.

Right. That he's not a part of. He's just directing the music people.

He did the music for the documentary, Music by John Williams, which got an- No, like he directs- It's just giving backdoor EGOT. Sorry. No, I think it's easier for someone on the back end to win an EGOT than on the front end.

No, somebody like Jennifer Hudson is such an obvious Egotter.

Yeah, right. But on the back end, like Pasic and Paul can be Egot.

That would feel- Because they create music.

Yeah, but that would be more back end because you get an Oscar in there.

Yeah, that's fine. I genuinely don't- Someone who stars in an Oscar movie, a Tony production, gets a Grammy.

That's harder, but I will accept back-end egos. That's fine. Behind the lens. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Sad news. Katherine O'Hara, Shitz Creek star in Comedy Legend dies at 71.

This was shocking.

Moira Rose. Also the mom from Home Alone, She's in a Million Things, but most recently, Moira.

When we found out she passed, Ben has actually been wanting to watch Best In Show. Do you know what that is? It's Katherine O'Hara's greatest work, and it was the first time she ever worked with Eugene Levy. So they had known each other. I didn't realize they had... They have this very famous movie. And when Joey Kamasa was posting about her death, he kept posting about her character. She plays this. It's these crazy dog people who all travel to this dog competition show, whatever. I didn't realize. They play husband and wife, so they have this long, sorded history. I was shocked.

Yeah, it's very sad.

Oh, my God. I feel like I can't remember the last time. Somebody so beloved passed away so unexpectedly. She was 71. But that's not even that old. She was a very young '71. I think it's hitting really hard for people because of the Home Alone movies. She was very much America's mom for many years. And Moira.

Well, of course. For me, she's so Moira. She is Moira. Now, it's like you go back and it's like, Oh, and she was the mom in Home Alone. But I don't know why I feel like one of her lasting roles that she'll really be remembered for is Moira.

How amazing is that?

Far be it for me.

Fifty years in the making.

Yeah, to have the high of your career.

The thing people remember you for is the last thing you did.

Love Moira.

Love Moira. This is so, so sad. Then if you ask her what her favorite role is, you know what she says?

Being a Mom. When someone asked what role she wants to be remembered for.

Like a TMZ person at the airport.

Yeah, like an airport, nothing. They were like, What role would you want to be remembered for? And she was like, Being a mom.

That's my humble queen right there.

I love her. That's her matriarch. Login it in the patriarch.

I feel like everyone was turning out with their tributes. This is a person who deeply affected all of her peers.

Yeah. So sad. Yeah. And put them on notice, that level of town.

Join me up here. She has raised the bar. I mean, Moira Rose is an exercise in perfection, in brilliance. It is bar none, the greatest comedy performance delivered on TV in the last 20 years. It's insane. And I just know when they created the character of Moira, she was this one thing on paper. And what she ended up becoming was what Katherine O'Hara... That wasn't what they envisioned. No. She just took this role and made it nutty. She was probably this very- Out of touch woman living in a motel. With wigs. But what she ended up being was not... Katherine O'Hara created the character.

She took her off of script. And the template. We've never seen a character like that before. Never. I'm sure we'll see a bunch of copies going forward.

I think it's time to watch Schitts Creek again. I think so. It's always a good time. It is.

But we've got a lot on our content plate. We're so busy.

We're so caught up on the real housewise. Like, hello.

Yeah, we'll get to it. Our next story, Kim Kardashian is secretly dating F1 star, Lewis Hamilton, reports say they spent a romantic weekend together in the UK.

Did you feel like everyone's dating Lewis Hamilton? Yeah.

It's like what you do when you want to date someone. Yeah. It's just like- It's like age-appropriate.

Yeah. I find the whole thing very uninspired.

Yeah. It's like when she was rumored to be dating Odell Beckham Jr.

Yeah. I don't know. This reminds me of when Tom braided broke up with Giselle and he dated Irina Shayk. It's just so obvious, so uninspired. Okay, you're dating the most richest famous athlete, Kim. Cool.

Yeah.

Like, at least what she dated Pete Davidson, it was interesting. It was different.

Yeah, I agree. This is just obvious. I just don't...

Like, F1 is a blind spot for me.

But Lewis Hamilton is everywhere. Yeah. And he's just everywhere.

I just don't see it as a good match. I don't know anything about Louis. I'm just not getting the vibe that this is going to be the one.

And they've been photographed together a number of times. They're both fashion-swirly.

They run in similar circles, fancy ones.

So what? It was like a friends to lovers? I don't think it's real.

I don't know. Her jet literally was in the UK.

Okay. It's always there. It's always everywhere. And his was... You know what I mean? I don't know. Did she really date Odel? Yeah. She dated Odel. But then she said on Chloe and Wonderline, she hasn't been on date in a year.

Odel was more than a year ago. Right.

But she hadn't gone on date with Louis by the time she went on Chloe and Wonderline.

Maybe they recorded that two months ago.

Yeah, for sure. So this is very new.

Did we make it a story, totally random, about the Devil Wears Prada 2 trailer? No. I want to talk about it really quickly.

Yeah, this would be a good time. It's fashion news.

And when we said the UK, I just don't know why I thought of The Devil's Prada. So the premise of the movie is bothering me. I don't know what I thought it was going to be, but I have a better premise of what it should be. Andy returns to Runway to be the head of their features department, which I just don't love. She was so different.

No, but features, it's not just fashion. It's writing.

I don't know why I assumed that Andy was going to return and be doing a feature. She's a big writer at Vanity Fair. She would be covering just like, Shadow Miranda for a month and write a piece about her. So she becomes her assistant again and travels everywhere. Oh, that's funny. I just thought my idea was better. I think they should redo it.

That is funny.

Her working at Runway is just not believable. It's just like they're trying to redo the same thing where it's like she's out of place. You know what I mean? It's just like a little copy and paste. I mean, I have to see it, of course.

But sometimes copy and paste is good. Yeah, if it works, it works. Don't fuck with it.

But so far, I like my idea better.

She's coming back in big role that's a brainy role for a brainy girl.

She was just so judgmental. I'm sorry, they don't write brainy pieces at those types of magazines.

But they think they do.

Having a boyfriend is embarrassing. That's the latter...

Was that features?

That was a big thing. That was the last piece. That's the only thing that comes to mind when they think of literary pieces from Vogue that shape culture or people talk about.

Yeah. And the butt crack coming back.

That's what I mean. I don't think Andy's writing that.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's exciting. People are excited. Am I?

I'm excited, actually.

So, Kim and Louis, TBD, I'm not going to ship or really spend much time on it until I'm seeing more tangible things.

I just feel like it's obvious and uninspired.

And maybe not even true. It's giving not even true. It's giving showmance. Oh, okay. She needs a little something. She does need something. And that's an easy. That's a no-brainer. It's like a buzzy couple. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah.

I just feel like it's like, Oh, I need press. Like, Lewis Hamilton.

Yeah. Yeah, and fine, fair. We're talking about it, but I'm just not going to get emotionally invested in any way, negative or positive. Our next story- Is brought to you by hers.

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Our next story is major news. Today is Groundhogs Day, and Pucsutani Phil has predicted six more weeks of winter, as opposed to, I don't know.

I just feel like Pucsetani Phil is so not intuitive or smart. And I think, obviously, take a look at the ice storms. It's 30 degrees in Florida. So I feel like he just... It's like, Duh.

Good job. And it's like, is six weeks of winter the lesser one or the more one? What's the opposite?

The opposite is spring begins today. So he chose I'm not a bad one. Yeah, it is.

He always chooses the bad. He always feels like it's forever. I feel like when we were younger, I really had more of a stake in what Paxetani Phil had to say.

I mean, I thought it was like Bible. I was like, oh, my God, God is listening. And then it's going to be cold.

Because he saw his shadow.

When I saw that he... When I was a kid and I saw that it was six more weeks of winter, I was like, Crouch. I thought it actually affected the weather.

No, I thought he was really an Oracle. Like, he knew.

Right.

But I just want to say, I love of Groundhogs Day. I think we don't have a lot of traditions like this that we do just because. And February second, to me, will always be Groundhogs Day.

I agree. It's a beautiful story tradition passed down from generation to generation. And I like that it's this dumb thing that we all still continue to do. It's something you think with PETA or whatever we would have been done with. It's nice to have moronic traditions that we all talk about, like very- Just like non Nonsense. Nonsense. Like apolitical jargon that we can all just agree on.

Yeah. Phil put out a statement. He said, Phil says it's great to be back on the job. This is a Super Bowl season. Lots of responsibility, lots of attention, and absolutely no room for mistakes. He takes He's sponsored by Ace Hardware.

That's a great partnership.

He takes pride in being Ace Hardware's most reliable seasonal employee, mostly because he never calls in sick.

Well, it's not hard to call in sick when you work one day a year. And I don't think he's the most reliable hardware employee at Ace Hardware because he's always wrong. So him predicting 6 Smart Weeks of Winter is actually good news. We're almost done, you guys. Yeah. He's always wrong.

And he's also a father, so I guess that's what he does.

I feel like he's always seeing his shadow.

We need to get a list of like- And maybe call me dumb, but don't you see your shadow when the sun's out? Well, that's the point. If it's sunny and he saw his shadow, then maybe it's coming. Then maybe... If there's no sun, let's ask Chad.

If you see your shadow, that means the sun is out. Right. Meaning it's warm and winter's over.

So maybe he didn't see it. I don't know if he saw his shadow. Oh, you said he saw his shadow. Did I say that? I said six more weeks of winter. Oh, okay. So maybe- What is the rationale behind Groundhog's Day?

No, that's not the right question.

And the Groundhug seeing his shadow. What is the method? Rational feels good. Okay. It's a funny little mix of old European-Oh, here she goes. And seasonal psychology, plus a dash of pageentry. The basic idea, if he sees his shadow 6 more weeks of winter. Doesn't see his shadow. It's early spring.

Okay, so that makes no sense because you don't see your shadow. That means the sun's not out.

Yeah, it has to do with February second is Candlemas, a Christian holiday that falls about halfway between- It's a religious holiday. And the spring equinox.

Jackie, we should have taken off. I didn't realize it was a religious holiday.

People believe... Okay, because February second is exactly between the winter solstice and the spring equinox, you know, winter and spring, people believe that the weather on this day can predict how long winter will last.

Okay, so I guess it's all like, woo-woo.

It's a little- Here's a rhyme from back in the day. If candle mist be fair and bright, winter will have another light. Flight. If candle mist brings clouds and rain, winter is gone and will not come again.

It's like an old wives tale.

Sunny day equals more winter, cloudy day equals spring is near.

Okay.

It is. That's cute. Yeah. I'm glad we did that. Me too. Because I had no idea what we were doing.

And congrats, Phil.

Congrats, Phil. You went to sleep. You crushed it today. Things you did?

That.

You can bring home the bacon for your family. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah. Fifth and final story.

Oh, I cannot wait to talk about this.

Leading into more housewives discussion. But the original Roni cast has defected from Bravo with a new show for a rival network, which is E, which is all- It's not really rival because it's the same parent company.

But I guess they are considered competitors of one another. Yeah.

So the original cast of Bravo's beloved housewives of New York City have packed up their pin-up and defected to E. Sources They say that Luanne, Sonia, Jill Zara, Kelly Benzema, and Ramona Singer have signed a deal with E and expect to have a new show on the air by the end of the year.

I adore this. You want to know why? It's like, I respect that Bravo wanted to reboot Roni. Maybe I think that they got to an inflection point with a lot of the franchises where these OGs who were beloved, it wasn't working. And they tried something new with Roni, and it didn't work. They refused to admit that and revert or do something else. They're just digging their heels in. And there is so much demand for these women. I feel like they're living new interesting lives. A lot of them have moved. I feel like a lot of them actually live in Florida. Maybe this show is going to be based in Florida.

All the women that were named for this show live in South Florida.

Sonia does, Louanne does, Jil does. Jill does. Yeah. So So there's so much demand for them. They're beloved. I feel like Bravo gives them peanuts. They bring them to BravoCon, and maybe they go and watch Robbins Live every now and then. But there is a demand for it. And so the fact that they didn't just wait for Bravo, I love of this. And it's like, I really actually hope the show is successful because these women should have been picked back up a while ago. Especially if they're all living together.

The show is happening. They get together all the time. They took cameras up.

Yeah. It seems like a no-brainer. They live in the same area. I hate that Bravo wouldn't do it. And they just ultimate girls trip. It's not enough, and it's not sustainable. And there should be a show for these women. I'm really curious if it's going to be successful because there is such demand. And there's more demand for them than there is for the new legacy, Roni. Yeah. I can't imagine that if they just went back to Roni with the same old drugs, if it would be worse ratings than what they're doing now. There's no way.

No.

So Dorinda is not on it.

The women that they named don't live in New York, so it wouldn't be Roni, even if Bravo did pick it up. Dorinda is not on it. She doesn't live in Florida. These are all women who live here. It's just Florida.

It's real house as a Florida. Sort of. And look at members only. It was very popular. There is an interesting scene down here for older women. Yeah.

I wonder how they'll bill it. And Especially not using Bravo terminology, but it's something about OGs.

Yeah.

Ogs in the...

And Bethany is noticeably absent, even though she does also live down in Florida.

But she put out a video with her thoughts on the show. She loves it. Yeah.

But she should be on it.

Yeah. Maybe let's see how it goes. Maybe she would- If it's popular enough. She would do it. I'm excited to watch it.

Me too.

Yeah.

I feel like Dorinda's vomiting because any chance that she had- She's going to move. She's literally going to relocate Blue Stone Manor because any chance she had of Getting Back to Bravo, which we know she wants, was if they throw in the towel already with Roni. But now all the women are doing something else. Yeah.

Maybe she'll move.

She should fly down, do a little...

A seasonal- A cameo.

Apartment, a condo.

I'm excited.

Well, Beverly Hills Housewives is one of the remaining franchises that never had a full reboot, but still has OGs, and they've really done it quite well. I was thinking that last night. It's actually amazing how Kyle Richards... Some seasons I like her, sometimes I don't, but she really is a great housewife, and she's the only O who doesn't feel like this hangar on her, let the mouse go. This season is fantastic, and I'm happy to admit I was definitely wrong about Rachel Zoe. Oh, good.

I was going to ask you.

I thought she wouldn't join. It is a little bit... You debased yourself a little bit on housewives. You do have to be embarrassing in restaurants, right? And I thought for sure she wouldn't be down to clown, but I feel like she is clowning. She's having snarky... So far, I'm really enjoying her. And she herself, she's interesting as a person, and I didn't realize it was going to coincide with her divorce and that she would be sharing so much. I was wrong about her. Her home was beautiful.

I love her house.

Her style is so interesting.

I want to see more of her house. She's so interesting to look at. When she was at the vintage store, just like, trying on little- That little jacket. Prop Chanel jackets left and right. It was such a pleasure to watch. Her hair is beautiful.

Her jewelry is beautiful. She spent 10K. That's what we need. Yeah.

I really am enjoying her. And then she goes and just talk shit.

Yeah. No. And it's not like she's shying away, which I really appreciate.

She's also not debasing herself or putting or doing something that she thinks the audience wants to see because she needs to be on the show. She's just being herself. I feel like that's where the women of Beverly Hills thrive. Cathy Hilton doesn't need to be on the show, isn't going to do anything. But everyone meets her where she's at. Yeah. She's just going to be herself and we're going to enjoy it. And she also adds to the father. It's been really, really great. I love that she's gotten close with a lot of the girls already. She loves Erica, likes to read. She fits right in. Right.

And she doesn't feel like a new girl, which is great. And I think I actually feel bad for Amanda, and I don't think she should have been cast on this show. I actually think it was Like a mean thing to do because everyone who comes into the group is more or less an extension of someone. I don't remember how they introduced her, but she bought Kyle's house. She bought Kyle's house. Oh, right. They're friends. Yeah. And she's so out of her league. She really reminds me a lot of Whitney Rose from Salt Lake City, just in how she dresses and how she talks. Beverly Hills is like the crown jewel of the franchise. They get really affluent women, really famous women. Even that random girl who keeps showing up was married to Simon Cowell. Fuller. It's just Wait, what?

She was married to Simon Fuller.

Wait, who's that?

Like Simon Cowell.

Wait, she wasn't married to Simon. I kept telling you about him like she was married to Simon Cowell.

Simon Fuller. Who's that? He's also like an executive. I think he also produced American Idol. There were two Simons. Oh, my bad.

Okay.

But it's like the same thing. Okay, sorry.

But that's what I mean. It's a real upper echelon. I mean, even you think of some Crystal Kang, Minkoff. They keep referring to her because literally- The way she's speaking. I'm sorry. Her husband is a huge deal. She's so out of her league with her fake business. That's quite literally an MLM. She's like, social media, social media. I went to her Instagram, she gets 700 likes, and she has 500,000 followers. It's a scam. The whole thing, there will be a documentary on it.

But how does she have all this money?

I don't know. I do believe she is a successful scammer so far, with her courses. She just wears crossbody bags and body condresses. It's giving Salt Lake City. And I don't mean that in a negative way. It's just a different tier of wealth and how people dress. She was never going to make it. And her personality sucks.

Yeah, her personality sucks. What's funny is I actually didn't even see her that way because she so doesn't see herself that way. I I think she thinks she's on a different level from these women where she's more enlightened. She ain't. Yeah. And when she's saying, We made beautiful choices with the house. She's just like, it's very put on.

Even the house, she has the mirror that everyone has. She's just like a Chuggy millennial.

Yeah, it is very millenn. The women in this group are a bit older, and they don't speak millennial jargon. You violated it. When Kyle said it's giving Crystal, she was right. Being so sensitive and you can't even have a confrontation because immediately, Oh, you've verbally accosted me.

Even outside of her presence on the show as an instigator or a housewife, just her being selected was wrong. I feel like she came in so insecure. Who wouldn't? Rachel Zoden didn't come in insecure. Kathy Hilton didn't come in insecure.

I was getting insecure.

Oh, I was. Just the way she kept talking about her bags and the one-upping, that's an insecure thing because she's so out of her league. I really did feel bad for her. And I don't even dislike her so much as much as I really feel bad her because it's mean that they cast her on the show. Sorry, it is. And she's clearly dealing with this terrible thing that happened to her. And there's no right... And Boze is, right? Boze is saying the thing that everyone's thinking. It's like, you can't use something difficult that you went through as a defense in a fight. But that's exactly what she's doing. It's very amateur. It's very immature. I don't even dislike her. I feel really bad for her. And what she did to Doreet in that conversation was so wrong because if you are that fragile, you were talking with your husband preparing for a conversation. So you just threw it as a defense, and there's nothing anyone can say, and it's just a conversation ender. I feel bad for her because it's so horrible.

It's so horrible.

And there's no right way to deal with it. She's doing it the wrong way, but there is no right way to...

You shouldn't have come. She shouldn't have come, but then she was saying her husband said she should be amongst friends. I agree with that, but these aren't her friends. These are her coworkers. It's a work event. We're here to sit at a table and argue. If you're not in a position to do that, which you're not and you shouldn't. And that's understandable. And nobody blames you, then, yeah, I guess be at home. But I was disappointed in Doreet that she didn't just immediately drop in. Of course. Because there is nothing you can say and nothing you should say.

To her defense, She should say. Amanda did then continue, but she never should have.

So I didn't get that until this most recent episode. They played a replay where it did seem different, where she said- She continued on.

She said something- And then, Doreet was like, Wait, I thought we weren't continuing. But before that, Doreet had brought it back. Yeah. It's an impossible situation for Doreen. I don't even think Doreen handled it wrong or whatever. It was so weird. I felt so bad. It was just awful. She's not built for this life.

I really feel like she thinks that she is.

She ain't.

In her own way. She has her boundaries, and she wants to bring them to this group of women. Good luck. Housewives are not good with boundaries. That's the point of the show.

When she was in the car rolling calls with Rachel Zoe and Erica, Yeah. That was really cringe.

Yeah.

I have to say something about Erica. I only came to this realization recently because she was always like glam, right? She brought her glam team everywhere. She really upped the game for a lot of the women. It was easy to do that. It's easy to have amazing glam, amazing hair, amazing style when you have unlimited money. She's had this enormous fall from Grace in terms of her finances, and she lives in this little house. It's such a testament to her true sense of style and taste, how she has not faltered in her looks one bit. She's maybe wearing less designers, but who even knows? She's so glamorous. She so kills it with her style. I feel like it's a real testament because a lot of these women, it's not hard.

Anyone can buy good style.

Styleist, make up. But you can tell she's so invested in her, and she's She just crushes it. I feel like she doesn't get enough credit for... She didn't miss a beat moving from the big house to the little house. Like with the glam, she always showed up. I love that. She's really one of my favorites. She does play both sides of Dorit and Kyle, and it's clear that she's closer with Kyle, and I don't know if Dorit knows that.

Oh, you think so?

Because Kyle was the only one who knew about her boyfriend.

I felt like last season she played those sides, but I felt like she was more sympathetic and closer to Dorit, but she is not going there. And so that's just how I feel like she is more with Dorit.

No, I think she's more with Kyle. It's annoying me. Kyle's doing the same thing she did last season with the PK thing, memes and jokes.

Still defending him. Well, PK fits it. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. Yeah.

It's so...

But I also feel like the one bit that they shared that Mo said that Doreet won't let PK see the kids. And they're saying, Oh, that's not what Doreet said. To me, that jives exactly with what Doreet said. He comes when he wants. He can't see the kids at these times that he wants because that doesn't work for their schedule.

He goes to Europe for six weeks.

The only thing that could be more disruptive to their lives is if their lives are disrupted even more.

One thousand %. I think they're both saying the truth. The same thing. You just want to come because you've been gone for six weeks. No, you can't see them. So she is allowed to say that. And yeah, I'm not allowed to see my kids. Well, maybe if you were home.

Yeah. No, or like, no, you can't see them during the school day. You can't see them during their after-school. Phoenix is an amazing ballerina.

She was making me cry when she was talking about how Jaggers just this shell of a kid.

How he walks around with the weight of the world on his shoulders.

And then Kyle's like, well, maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Kyle's so not a girls' girl. I feel like when you get to... I feel like Kyle is so hung up on Mauricio, and Mauricio was obviously team PK, and so Kyle just wants to be in Mauricio's good graces. To be said, and it's just so lame. It's so not cool. Like, I'm not even a girls' girl, but when a girl is getting divorced, I keep saying girls, they're these 50-year-old women. When a woman is getting divorced, and you can tell when a man, like she's saying, very much like Roger, flips. The guy you knew is no longer there. That's so what's happening with BK is clearly having a midlife crisis. He's making out with young women in the street. He's not paying the mortgage.

That's not the side that you're going to be. I don't have to even know the ins and outs and when Doreet said he could come and, Oh, the kids are going here, and he hasn't seen them in weeks. I don't have to know all the ins and outs to know that Doreet's the one taking care of those kids. Obviously. And it's going to do what's in the kid's best interest.

And how wonderful that she has her parents still. When I was seeing that, I was like, That's so amazing. I was getting so emotional when Jagger was not even yearning for his father, but yearning for Doreet's father. Yeah, she's the bad parent. Right. Please. Kyle's really pissing me off. Yeah.

I still ship Dorit and Mo.

Of course. I'm so glad Boze let it go. But in the first couple of episodes, when she was hounding Kyle to talk about why she's not dating, it's like, I actually don't care. I'm bored. You're being like a little like a badger. Boze is my favorite housewife on this show. She's the only one... Her confessionals are hysterical. I love her friend Summer. Like, yeah, bring your random friend Summer everywhere.

I love it. I love it. Zack was watching me. He's like, Who's that? I'm like, It's Bo's home friend. What do you mean?

It's Summer. When everyone brings a friend, it's like, Faye Resnick. This is summer from Oklahoma. I love it. I love it. And her story was really crazy. She lost custody of her kids for two years because she had an evil husband who was a lawyer. So you know what? Yes, actually.

Come summer. Yeah. And then summer's at the birthday dinner. Good. I was thinking when everyone's at the birthday dinner, these women are actually getting along so well. There's tension between Jareen and Kyle Sher, but they have history and their friends and whatever. And it's like, if it weren't for Amanda, this would just be a group of women having the best time. Yeah.

So a character like Amanda is unnecessary, but I feel really sad for her. She makes me butt clench and cringe, of course, yada, yada. But she's so out of her depth, and I feel like she's been aware of it since... That's why she's stunted on the phone with the calls and showing up, Oh, my backpack Chanel.

Oh, that's so funny. I didn't read to me like that. I felt like she's very confident, very effective and pompous almost. Oh, no. And not in a way that- To me, it's so insecure. Oh, maybe it all stems from that.

This is the toughest group of women. And it takes someone like Rachel Zoja to come in as an equal, as a peer. She's not And she's younger. It's just all of it.

But she's living in Kyle's house, and Kyle was on the show for 10 years in that house.

That was devastating.

That was really sad to watch Kyle get emotional over the house, which it was very emotional. Like, those were the happiest years.

Of course. And you know what? I know it sounded crazy, but I hear her. If they didn't move out of that house, because that is when things started to break down and they were in this new lead. It was always cool how they had increasingly more and more money every season, and they never left that house. It was like their family home. It was very grounding.

It was very happy house.

Yeah. I think maybe they wouldn't have ended up where they ended up.

What was also sad to me is like, Mauricio is so moved on.

And he was so unaffected by the house.

And like, when she's crying, and we all know why she's crying, and he's like, Oh, because the girls are getting married. He's not- He's trying to voice it on the girls. He's trying to make it about like, oh, they were little and now they're big, which is something everybody goes through. You have that conversation if they were still married. That's not what it was about. He doesn't even want to go beneath that surface with her because not that he doesn't care, but he- He's not there. He's not there.

And that's what she was saying when they take the family trips, and he's just a a wall. He's not going deep with her. I imagine it's a slippery slope. Although we did just report that over New Year's, they were getting cozy. I do desperately, for Kyle's sake, it's very sad to watch. Even when he showed up at dinner, she just yearns for him so obviously and acting like they're not filing for any reason other than that.

Yeah, but I also I don't feel like she's in love with him still. Like, she's hung up on him.

It's more like that former life.

Yeah. And it's like, then what's next? If they do divorce, then what's next? As opposed to just holding on to that life, which brought her so much joy.

I really liked the speed dating event. That was hysterical. And the fact that they all kept showing up in funeral outfits was making me laugh so hard. That was a really fun thing. I want to talk about Sutton. She's having this rebirth. I actually, I'm down because she's awful. I'm Tabularassa. I'm good. I'm liking her in America.

I forget.

It really bothered me that she was letting Amanda get to her in Sedona about Avi, the crying. I feel like it empowered Amanda to continue on with her annoying ways. I I really wish she didn't, but she's so emotional, Sonny. She's always crying. Yeah, I- The Jennifer Tilly thing was interesting, too.

I didn't really get... When they had that final dinner at the airport and everyone was rallying behind Sonny, I'm like, Did I miss something? Why does she need all this support? Someone just brought up something.

I know. And she's handling... She wants people to stop talking about it, and her behavior is just making me more and more intrigued. I literally didn't care that her assistant left at all. But now she's making it into such a big deal. I'm like, Okay, well, what did happen?

I know.

I wanted to- She's handling it so backwards. It's like, in order to throw the scent off, just be like, lean in. But she's like, so we can't talk about it. Well, now I have to know.

Yeah. It was odd.

Yeah.

But yeah, she's not a main character this season, which is...

It's been a tough- She needs to take a back seat. Yeah.

It had been a lot. Yeah.

I'm going to hope my girl, Bowes, gets pregnant by some way. Yeah. Keely.

Bowes and Keely.

I love Bowes. She's the voice of reason on the show.

Yeah. And everybody loves her. Oh, and it's like, you really can come into this group as a new person, and they are open to making new friends.

And her and Bowes is... Dorit, New Summer. They're close. Yeah. But when Bowes invited Dorit to lunch with Amanda, thinking like, Amanda would have some good practical... Rich as fuck. Have some practical business advice for a woman going through divorce, retirement. And she's all talking about manifesting. Oh my God, I just about died. Boze is like, Okay, thanks for coming. I don't know what the future holds for Amanda.

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like she can hold her own, but it's just like the girls have really written her off already. She's not their cup of tea, nor are they hers.

Yeah. Because her being in the same room as Rachel Zoe and Kathy Hilton.

I agree. It's a mismatch.

Yeah. And they're usually pretty good about casting. Why not Simon Fuller?

Yeah. Well, maybe. I mean, the thing is everything Amanda says really is like...

Polarizing.

A polar... Yeah, it's like a bomb. I know.

That story about the happy ending massage was crazy. And then Bo's being like, You couldn't have waterboarded that information out of me. Like, obsessed with Bo's. I don't know, this Natalie woman sounds interesting.

I'm sure casting tested them both. Amanda's just delusional. That is a required trait for a housewife.

It's true. It's a great season. I'm really enjoying. Ben is obsessed. He's like, Do we have more episodes? He is hooked.

I love Rachel Zo talking shit about Amanda and all of her confessionals. It's very OG housewives. No one wants to be seen as a mean girl anymore, so they don't do it. But Rachel's just coming on as who she is. That's why we all watch Housewives.

It's like she said, I don't ever really talk about my accomplishments or my accolades or whatever. Amanda, with the book, the book, the book. Oh, and then the ghostwriter comment.

I thought Joreat's retort was excellent.

Oh, you must have had a lot of time.

Oh, no, we didn't buy the house. I bought the house.

I make it a month what he makes in a year. Her husband watching that, vomiting. Yeah. Vomiting. He didn't buy the house. I did.

And Risa was like, what did that contribute to the conversation?

Just that you hate your husband.

Just that you're putting him down?

For what? And you keep telling all these amazing stories about him. But all I know is that, according to you, he's some pauper. You pulled off the street. It's bad. I'm watching that back, them together. Yikes.

Yeah.

Well, that's for Housewise. That's your show. And Fabulous Monday, really. I feel like a huge wait. We just did so much.

Yeah, there was a lot to cover.

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