Transcript of An Unremarkable Student: Monday, January 26th, 2026

Good morning, girlies. It's The Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast-fired things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, It's The Toast.

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Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Mundari. Hope everybody's having a dairy that's Mund.

Mundari. Dairies.

Is your Dairie Mun?

It's as Mun as it could be for this Mun Dairies.

It's so true. Actually, I had a life-altering moment at Trader Joe's this morning, and if you saw me- Headline news, Claudia was at Trader Joe's this morning? I should pick up... Oh, yeah, wait. Yeah, I just needed some cheese.

What for? Grilled. For a grilled cheese?

For grilled cheeses. We eat them a lot in my home, and we were out of cheese.

And so much so that you had to go on your way.

Well, actually, I had to go to the bank.

Okay.

And there was I'm in a grocery store nearby.

And you said, We need cheese. That looks like a nice cheese. I know.

I almost didn't see the Kraft singles because it's like Trader Joe's- I'm very proud that you didn't buy Kraft singles. They didn't have it. You know, Trader Joe's just has to be different. So I got like, they're organic. It's definitely made in the same factory. I digress. Okay. So I'm walking into the Trader feeling, feeling fine. And I fell.

No.

So bad. Now, I want to say I'm feeling fine right now Because I can, too. It was so not my fault. And it wasn't this mom and pop grocery store. It was trader Joe's like, Where are we buying a home? I am so in the right... The footage will tell my story.

Can you tell us the story?

I didn't see it. There It's like some schmutz on the ground. It looked like somebody had stepped and smushed on a raisin or a date or a fig. And I had no idea because I was looking straight, not at the floor. And I slipped. I literally cracked my ankle.

You slept on a fig.

I slept on a fig. Fig-like structure. I don't know what it was. And I caught myself at the... I was on the floor, but I caught myself. My ass didn't hit the floor, but it hurt so fucking bad. And the only thing that was carrying me through was knowing that the law was on my side. And I can and will be reaching out to an injury attorney.

You should. I don't know.

And there was a man who worked there being like, Are you okay? And I just wanted him to know, I'm fine. Your story is going down with issues. I didn't just fall because I'm a crazy person. I fell because there were schmutz.

Yeah. In the parking lot or in the store?

No, in an aisle.

Why did I fall in the parking lot? I don't know. Just when you're telling this- It's hard to fall.

Gravel It was like, sturdy.

I'm imagining a parking lot.

It was on a tile floor, so it was already not the best, most resistant. And oh my God, you guys, my ankle hurts so bad. It's throbbing.

I'm really sorry, but I hope that you get to million so you can finally live a life of happiness.

No, I think we decided like 500 is my number.

Okay, but just be careful. That's how you get into toxic secession vibe. It's okay.

I just feel like my roots will keep me grounded.

It's true. She has her family, she's close with her family, she's close with her friends.

And the thing is, I'm willing to try.

I show me the guinea pig.

It's fine. I'm willing to take that risk.

You're a risk taker.

I've always said that, and I've always said that. I'm a huge risk taker.

It looks like you'll have to learn the hard way, Claude.

So if you see me limping, that's what's happened. And then I realized Ben used my car. I have no gas. I had to go pump my own gas. It was like, such a It was a crazy morning. And then I pumped my own gas. And as I was removing the nozzle from the nozzle, a little bit of gas dripped on my toe. Isn't that weird? And then I felt like I had this flamable foot. And I was scared to walk near my car. Yeah, as you should be. And so I was being really weird.

Let me see which toe, the big one.

The second one. And so I got into the car and I'm wearing sandals, so I just took my sandal off and rubbed my toe on the... On the exhaust? No, on the floor mat. On the mat. Yeah. And I'm fine. I just thought that was so crazy. Wearing open... I never thought about before. I very rarely pump gas. It's not my problem.

You need a close-toe shoe. Yeah.

It's crazy to pump gas in open-toe shoes. Do they tell you that at driver's Ed?

No. They should teach you how to pump gas at driver's Ed.

It's humiliating.

Which is why I had to get an electric car.

Yeah. You don't have these problems.

No, I don't.

And then one more thing happened to me that I felt really disgusting about. I was driving, as one does in a car, mindlessly, and I was crossing a light. So the light turned green. I started driving. It was a two-way street. So I guess, like coming the other way was a fire truck. Okay. And he was also turning. And I didn't, I guess, let him in. And I guess there was an emergency because his lights, I guess, were on. And he honkt at me and I felt like such a low life. You know what I mean?

He felt like he knew you're just an idiot. Yeah.

And to be clear, he wasn't even fully at the light yet. He was still pulling up. I really didn't get- No, it's like you're not a mind reader. I didn't get in his way. If I delayed his trip, it was by a quarter of a second.

No, I understand. I think he was just feeling self-important. I would feel awkward in that situation, I wouldn't know how to act. And it's like, should I stop? But what if I'm not supposed to stop? And now I've just stopped. He wasn't.

The lights were on, but there was no... Obviously, I wouldn't know about a. But the lights, I was just in broad daylight.

I don't know. It's giving, want to make it to our brunch res.

No, it's giving like, we are just abusing our power.

Because we have a brunch, Rez.

1,000 %. Yeah. So it was just an embarrassing morning. A lot of embarrassing things, like me with my toe, then my ankle, and then the fire truck. It was just crazy.

I I'm sorry. Maybe you should come straight here from now on. I never run errands. I feel like you tried to do the most. We were FaceTiming this morning because we just can't stop talking because doing an hour and a half long show is just not going to be enough for us. And she said she's got to go running errands before the toast. And I thought that was crazy.

Yeah, I won't be doing it again. That's for sure.

I think that's a good idea because we need you here in one piece.

Right. Break down after the show. I almost broke my ankle, went up in flames that the fire truck would have had to put out, but they would have been late. Coming to get safety. Because there was a girl blogging away. Because there was a girl who didn't know how to drive. It's a tale as old as time.

Yeah. Driving is so crazy. Every day, someone made me feel like such a square today. Okay, it's fair. Because he broke the law, but I should have, too, because I was just being a sheep following the law when there was no one around.

What was the law? No right on red?

So it was no right on red because there's a train track before it and then another light. The two lights are the same, but you shouldn't go to the next light because there's a train track. You could get stuck on the track at a red light. We're both sitting at the two red lights, and no cars are coming the other way. He went around me over the track.

I don't think that's square-ish. I think that guy's insane. I don't mess around with the train tracks.

I don't mess around with the fucking train tracks.

Yeah, that's just what I need to get stuck on the tracks. That guy's actually an insane daredevil. You're not a square. You're so normal.

It's crazy that we drive amongst the trains.

I totally agree. I realized that they run cross country, so it's borderline impossible to not ever-Engage with the train track. But living in Manhattan, I don't have these problems. We obviously have other problems. But driving on the tracks, my heart, I literally clench and I unclench when we're over the tracks. It's insane.

Part of my journey is at some point I have to cross the tracks, finding the right, most optimal way to do it.

There is none. So just like,.

And around the time that we record a big train. Well, I guess trains, they just come all day. But it just feels like we're synced up with one. And I'm always trying to outrun it.

It's like your period. You and the trains are synced up. Yeah. Cycle sisters.

I guess so.

I watched a lot of TV over the weekend. We are going to recap traitors. We're going to recap. I don't even know how everybody knew that this thing was happening on Saturday night, Skyscraper Live. I did watch the whole thing live because I'm a loser, and I was left with so many thoughts that I cannot wait to share.

A lot of TV to discuss today.

Traitors.

Football last night. We have our Super Bowl team. Never in a million years could someone have predicted we'd have a Patriot Seahaw Super Bowl.

Actually- Who predicted it. Every year, I'm going to find this for you. The NFL has the allegations that it was scripted. And if it was scripted this year, it was scripted by somebody who does not know entertainment because I don't care about these teams whatsoever. There's a little lore with like, Drake May, but beyond that, no.

What's the lore that he's like, he's just hot. And he has a cute little wife.

Yeah.

But most players in the NFL- Have wives. Have wives who make content and are part of their communities and move back.

At the beginning of every season, the NFL puts a graphic up. Hold on, I have find it. It's like a little cartoon being like, Race to the Super Bowl, and it's all the quarterbacks walking towards the trophy. Nfl. Let me see. I saw it this morning, and it was given scripted. Hold on. Okay. What would I look for to find this? Like, NFL graphic.

Nfl cartoon race to the-Super Bowl. Graphic Super Bowl.

Oh, got on Twitter. I was going to get like, I found it. I was going to get like, Drinking his Penis. Yeah. Oh, wait, this is not it. Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's all the quarterbacks walking.

Okay.

And who are the two quarterbacks at the front?

Drake and Sam Darnold.

May Darnold. Look at them.

Wait. Okay, that's really crazy. Yeah, and they're front and center because also Ward is there, but he's not front and center. They couldn't have made it so obvious. Nabors, Mayfield, Hunter. Those are the five teams in the front. That's really crazy because I was going to say this proves that Super Bowl is not scripted.

Because it's boring as hell. Where are the celebrities?

Yeah. Where's the lore? It just is giving random.

It is giving random justice for the 49ers. It was their year.

But they weren't even in the Championships.

It was their year.

I'll just leave it at that. It clearly wasn't their year.

Or else it would be their year. That's what you think. That's what they want you to think, the NFL scripter.

So who do you think will win? We'll take it all.

It's so hard to guess when you genuinely don't care. But if it's the Seahawks versus the Patriots, I'm a New England girl-ish. I'm from New York, so I'm going to go Patriots.

Yeah.

Yeah. I know you are probably feeling conflicted because you are a New England girl as well. But you also love Draft Day, which takes place with the Seattle Seahawks, right?

No, the bears, the browns. The There, the Browns. The Browns. Really? Yeah.

Kevin Koster isn't the coach for the Seahawks?

No, not even close.

Aren't the Seahawks involved in Draft Day?

Perhaps they're another team with a trade to trade.

Oh, okay. So never mind. So you have no ties.

To the Seahawks. No, I have no ties to the Seahawks. And even when I think of draft day, I don't think of the Browns.

Yeah, and I do love that Robert Kraft, that little Bob. So sure. Go, Pat. Go, Pat.

Yeah. Hopefully it's a good game. We still need to finalize our plans because we don't have any I know. We were talking about them this morning.

We were because we talk so much.

We're always talking.

Almost like we do it for a living.

And other than that, we played a lot of Maj this weekend. We did.

Lots of family time, lots of beach time, water sign things. You guys wouldn't understand. You wouldn't.

Are you having your fill of the water? Do you feel your full self?

Do you feel full of water?

Do you feel your full self that you have the water in your life?

Yeah, I do, actually. We went to the beach both days this weekend. What more could a water sign ask for? Honestly, What more? Nothing, right?

No. Then the beach, that's primo water.

Yeah, and I get... It's probably difficult for you to understand because you're not a water sign. Even though I am a water sign. No, because you're not a water sign. And that's how I know horoscopes, sorry to who this offense, are fake and made up, because Jackie's a water sign. When I tell you, nobody hates the water more than Jacqueline.

I don't hate it. I just don't love it.

She doesn't feel connected to it like I do. She doesn't mess with it like I do.

No. I can appreciate the Majesty of the ocean.

Okay, well, when Susie Weis was on, she was talking about- And we were talking about the ocean. She talked about the ocean in a lot of different ways. And I think about what she said a lot, that the ocean is the new space, and there's going to be a lot more sea exploration, a lot of tech money being spent down there. But also that it freaks her out. She thinks it's spooky, whereas I think it's the most magical. What do you make of the sea?

I think it's really majestic, and I think it's very humbling to stand in front of the ocean.

Wait, that's really beautiful. Go on.

It's just no matter what's going on, the tides keep tiding.

It's so true. You think you're so big and like- The ocean doesn't care.

It's so true. It'll chew you up and spit you out.

So Moana.

Yeah. We just read a book. I don't want you to read this book because I think overall, you wouldn't like it. But there are... And we just recorded Redheads, which is why it's top of mind. But it's very much like, oceanic dystopian thriller thing. And these are big themes in the book, the The Ocean. It's called The Ocean? Wild Dark Shores.

So oceanic.

You know? Yeah. But I don't know that you should read it. Anyways, Redheads is coming out first Thursday of February, and it's one of my favorite episodes. Switching up the format.

You didn't update everyone that you were underselling I was saying it was going to be the worst podcast ever. We changed everything. And then I spoke to you after and you said it was like- I never said it was going to be the worst podcast ever, but I was just saying, Redheads is just...

It's like- In a transitional phase. We were at a breaking point where it's very hard to get it done every month. And one thing that I offloaded for myself is hosting the entire episode. Now, whoever chooses the book is going to be hosting the discussion. So this was our first time doing that. Rebecca hosted. It was her book. The episode was so amazing, so fresh. We all came away just being like that. There's new life breathed into their evidence. I love that. I love that. Necessity is the mother of invention. That's beautiful. So I'm really excited for the episode to come out. Plus, this book is everywhere. Reese's Book Club, everyone.

It's just good to be in the mix with the other celebrity book clubs.

Yeah, especially if we're not all reading that much. We need to read the buzzy ones. So stay tuned for that.

It's interesting that we have the same iPad case.

But they look different.

Yours is like such a washed up pink. It's, yeah. And also this is your iPad case because yours has a lipstick stain on it. Why do I have it?

I don't know. But this is my iPad. My charge is not charging on my iPad because it got you to your iPad instead of mine. It's your iPad instead of mine. Like my things are on.

No, your pass code.

My pass, yeah.

Interesting.

Very interesting.

Spookiness is a plenty here at The Toast this morning.

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Our first story was somehow the big entertainment news of the weekend, Skyscraper Live. Netflix live streamed a man climbing to the top of the Taipei 101 Skyscraper, which is this 1,667-foot-tall skyscraper in Taipei, Taiwan.

So he free-climbed it. No harness, no rope, no net, allegedly.

Now, I have a very hard- Are you a skyscraper, a truither?

I am a skyscraper truither. I have a very hard time believing. Yes, this guy is the best at what he does. So if there was anyone who was going to do it, he's done things like this before. I have a very hard time believing Netflix was going to let a man die on television.

So I was just reading about this. They said it was on a 10-second delay so that if he fell, that they would just cut away and you wouldn't have to watch that.

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Okay, so I keep learning different things about it. And also everyone on the planet was watching this at the beginning.

I didn't watch it because I had no idea what was happening, because how would I know this was happening? How did anyone know this was happening?

Like Cynthia Arivi, I did not know this was happening. And my chat with my high school friends I was like, Is anybody watching this thing on Netflix? And Margot was like, Yeah, I am. So two of the girls, they were like, It's so crazy. And they were hyping it up. I was like, Okay, well, I have to watch it. And then it was a long thing. I think it took them 90 minutes to watch it, and it was a whole broadcast of packages. So as I was watching, I kept seeing people on Instagram, so I really felt like I was a part of something.

You weren't a part of it.

I was having a lot of feelings about it. I hate this guy, I just want to say. He has a wife and kids, and apparently he had a documentary.

Yes, called Free Solo.

Yeah, that people had big reactions to as well, but he didn't have a wife and kids at the time. Or he might have just had a wife. No, I don't think so. And he was like, This guy's crazy, but he's free. So whatever. Now he's doing it. And they kept talking about the fact that he had kids and why would someone do this? And they had these really annoying correspondence. One of the correspondence was a free climber herself who holds a lot of titles in the women's free climbing. And I just kept thinking how stupid this sport was. And they kept talking about the sport like it was soccer, and it's not. And there's quite literally no reason to do that. And I was just getting mad. And when he got to the top, he was just so crazy, Jackie. I believe this was a very easy climb for him. So he was doing little tricks, and I wanted to kill him. At one point, he had his legs wrapped around a pole and took his hands off. Like, look, my no hands. Every time he got to... It's this structure-My palms are sweating. Yeah, Jackie, it was very irritating to watch.

The structure is tiered. So it's bigger, and then there's a little platform, then it gets smaller. Every time he got to a platform, he would look over fearlessly because there was people... I guess this is a huge thing in Taipei. Everybody knew about it.

People were inside the building.

He's taking pictures with people. He is a lunatic, an absolute lunatic. I just did not like I don't want to... We should not be encouraging this type of behavior. It's so reckless. It's so stupid. I'm sorry. I think the sport is dumb. If you're a part of the free climbing community, you're going to want to turn this off because I think it's incredibly stupid. It's incredibly reckless. For what? One of the female correspondence was getting choked up when he made it on My Girl, You Need a Life. I hated the whole thing. I hated the fact that they might have been livestreaming a man's death. Seriously, why? With all the violence and video games and TV, now we're livestreaming death. That's why I just refuse to believe that it was real. You don't think it was real? I don't know. I have no proof, but I don't believe that. And also, he only got paid $500,000. That's not a lot for that.

It's not 200 million, the spot. Correct.

But you know, Netflix was doing this. And so if he wasn't going to do it, some other crazy person would. So he was like, Yeah. And he's a household name, Alex Honald. I never heard of him before.

And at least let it be someone who's experienced, who can get it done. He's never climbed a building before. He only has climbed- Rocks. Rocks, mountains, et cetera. I wonder if climbing a building is like nothing compared to climbing a mountain. Maybe. Also, the building is built the same at every- You said it was repetitive. Yeah, it is. And the mountain, the Majesty of God is just different every turn.

Unpredictable. Yes. They had a lot of pre-made packages about his home life. His wife is also crazy. I just think she's crazy. She didn't think- There's a pop for every lid. And then we saw their reunion on the top of this platform when there was an elevator. So she took the elevator and he met her at the 101st floor or whatever, and they were taking pictures and stuff. And I was just like, these are two fucking crazy people. I didn't think it was cute. I didn't think they were a good match. My hands are really sweating. It was so crazy.

How did he get off of it? Did they So you know how at the Empire State Building- There's a spike.

An antenna. Yeah. He went to the very top. And it's so funny because you see it- The top of the antenna? You think the antenna is like a cell phone antenna? No, it's huge. It was thick. Ten people could stand on it. So he went to the top. And Jack, he's at the top of the antenna, looking over, leaning over. He's being insane. It's not even flat. It's round. He's a crazy person. Then there was a harness and a rope waiting for him up there. He belayed himself. Unbelayed. Unbelayed. Belay on. He unbelayed himself down to the and 20th floor where there was cameras, one of the correspondence and his wife and they were the team pictures. They were all harnessed. He did not harness himself. I just kept thinking about the camera crew. There was a guy on a belay following him the whole time. So literally all the way up until he got to the antenna. I believe they just had a camera at the building next door, just zoomed in on him.

A fellow crazy person.

Just crazy people doing crazy things. Obviously, I watched it. I got got because it was This shock value entertainment, and I was shocked, and I watched it. But we need to stop. We need to not be doing stuff like that.

It was insane. I do fear this will encourage more because it was a great success. He did great. Everyone watched it. Everyone's talking about it. He's a star now. So I think this will inspire a new- Generation of crazy people. And a new genre of entertainment, free climbing life.

I remember the only recent example, and it's not even that recent, that I can think of, and I think it was Netflix or Red Bull always sponsors these crazy That guy who free jumps from the moon. You know what I mean? He takes something all the way up to, not the moon, but outer space-ish. He can see Earth. And he just jumps. He lost consciousness. But then when he's a couple of hundred feet above, he takes a parachute.

Yeah. There's content like this all the time. They just put it on Netflix. But yeah, Red Bull does things like this all the time.

I've always thought it was crazy and strange. And I just have to believe that there is some contingency plan. And I don't see other people theorizing.

I feel like maybe if you know a lot about climbing, that this was so easy. And if you're not afraid of heights and you're just climbing some metal and you take out being so high up. But if it's like a ladder, almost. So it's a random building. Yeah.

This building was his dream, though. Kind of how like Sully wanted to land on the Hudson.

He's always been eyeing Taipei. Yeah. This is like his building.

He's in love with the building.

That's really funny.

Early sets what they said. Also, one of the commentators did say that I kept thinking about, he is such an experienced climber. To him, this is akin to walking. It's second nature. I don't care. You're not going to convince me, you commentators, who were insane, by the way, three of the worst people on the planet. You are not going to convince me that this is not an absolutely bonkers fucking crazy thing to do. You're just not. For a father of two.

I don't know. I think he knew that he could do it, that this was a climbable skyscraper.

And the people in the streets were being so like, it was literally so dramatic. And he knew he was playing. He was literally performing for people. Yes, I don't believe that this was hard. At one point-For him. For him. At one point, like I said, each tier had a little platform. So we got a break, a couple of seconds in between until I catch his breath. And his shoes, because it's a dirty building. You don't clean the outside of the building. His shoes were covered in grease. So he was like, I got to wipe off the grease. And he used his hands. So I'm like, well, your hands are greasy now. And he didn't wipe off his hands or anything.

But did he chalk them again?

He had a big thing of chalk on his belt. So he kept reaching behind. So, yeah, it's just crazy.

Yeah.

And everyone was watching it. It's like, Kim. I makes me think she has a Netflix deal coming up because she was at Netflix. Like, this is crazy.

She's definitely doing a project with Netflix. She does her movie with Netflix, right? That was on the show like two, three times ago. Kim Kardashian? She has a big movie coming. On the show, they sold a big movie to Netflix. I don't know what happened with it, but it's supposed to be the next Bridesmaids.

Oh, okay. That'll be fun. It was insane. I had a good time, of course.

I just don't know how anyone knew about it. How did the first person know about it?

Well, so when I opened Netflix, it was right on the homepage because it was being livestreamed. And I'm happy for Netflix because I think a lot of people watched it. And as far as I know, I think there were a couple of issues in the very beginning. But as far as I know, I had a seamless streaming experience.

It had to be delayed 30 minutes because it rained and the building was wet.

Oh, sorry. There was also like, they were on earthquake watch. They had to delay. They delayed this a couple of times.

Like days? Yeah. Oh, wow.

So maybe that's why you didn't hear about it, because it was maybe not going to happen.

And I wound up watching Traitors Saturday. And by the time I saw everyone's stories, I was in bed.

Yeah. It wasn't as good as Traitors. Traitors is the best show ever. I can't believe it. I like it so many. I've been missing out on it. It's the best show ever created. And I can imagine watching a season where everyone cast isn't stupid. It's probably even more fun. Yeah.

But I'm having the best time of my life. When this is over, we should go back and watch last season. Yeah.

That's It's a good thing to do the next time I give birth.

Yeah. Or we could just do it sooner than that.

No, I think I'll wait till I give birth.

Our next story, Future In-Laws, Andrea Swift and Donna Kelsey bonded at the Sundance Film Festival.

It's a Spider-Man meme because they're the same person. Right.

But it was crazy that they were so chummy. I thought that was a crazy picture.

Especially the rumors were swirling that Taylor and Travis are on the rocks. Oh, so like- This just proves that.

The mother-in-law just came out to look down for them.

Because they said that they were on the rocks due to wedding planning and stuff. And the people that fight most during the wedding planning are mothers-in-law's. So these two are looking chummy.

Travis and Taylor's mom's attended the Sundance Film Festival in Park City on Sunday. During the outing, they were bundled up arm and arm.

Yeah, like seriously, gal pals.

Posing for pups.

When Taylor and Travis were first spotted together, one of the reasons I knew that they might be forever is because their mothers are the same person, and they love their moms, and their moms are public figures. It's seriously the Spider-Man meme. I can't tell them apart, except Donna has glasses. I actually know Donna a lot better now that she's been on and debased herself.

Is she who you thought she was?

No, not at all. She's low-key shy. But was she just being shy because she was- Because that was her spoiler alert. Because that was her spoiler alert. Yeah.

You got yourself a traitor.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe we don't know Donna at all because she was baking it the whole time.

But in her confession, actually, she didn't get confessionals because we didn't know- We didn't know who the secret traitor was. In hindsight, the secret traitor bit was so obvious for Donna.

Well, clearly, everybody got her. I didn't even guess it.

No, no, no. They did Secret Trader so that Donna could be on the show in an interesting way, but not actually be on the show.

Correct. You know? And I guess.

I don't know.

I don't understand why, who, what, when, where, why, how, when it comes to the Secret Trader.

They never had one before.

But apparently, they do it on the UK spinoff, which I've heard is amazing. It's literally like the new Love Island.

I also feel like, we'll get to Trader's Weekup. I feel like none of the traitors or the faithfuls are like, not that they should because she was a secret trader, putting together who Donna was like, allied with.

Yes, they were, but they don't realize that she was a secret trader. That's why every time they keep going back to the Donna vote. Right.

Got it. Okay.

Which is fair.

Yeah, that's what they should be doing. Are you ready for our next story? Wait, what was the story was- That the two of them were spotted together.

And like, Sundance actually was making waves. Or maybe it's because I'm just on Brooksnader's close friend's story and she was there. She was making- There was a lot of fabulous things happening at Sundance. Whenever I think of Sundance, I think of entourage. Everything I know about the Sundance Film Festival, I know because they go there in entourage two or three times. It just seems like a fabulous event. And then, of course, Lisa Barlow is probably so busy.

Yeah, I wonder what she's up to for Sundance. For Vita. I'm not caught up.

No, me neither.

But what were they doing at the Sundance Film Festival?

Did Travis have a movie or something?

Is Travis there? Is Taylor there? This picture is just there without context.

Oh, yeah. What events were they attending? What's the meaning behind the trip?

Right. There's really no information.

Was it just a ski weekend that happened to...

But they're in the middle, they're with the paparazzi.

They're posing for a picture. They're not even being caught together. They are turned and smiling.

And it's a background photo. So it's paparazzi.

They were at an event.

Huzzling.

Extremely.

But also, Lervis like to spend time in Utah.

Yes, they do. There are a couple of key places that they like to attend. Yeah.

So maybe they're all there calling us.

Right. Maybe they're there canceling on the vendors.

Maybe they're having a wedding summit.

Yeah. Maybe they wanted to cancel on the vendors face to face.

Just kidding. I don't think they're on the rocks.

Me neither. Are you ready? But I do think their relationship has reached new challenges, like any new relationship does. That's okay. Yeah.

But what could their wedding issue be?

Well, we know it's not financial. Right. Which means the guest list can be infinite. Like the things that normal people- Maybe guest list, yeah. No, but usually the guest list issues. No, but usually the guest list issues.

Or venue. And if she wants to get married at holiday house- Build another wing.

You know what I mean? The issues that normal people... It's not guest list related. It's not financial. All wedding issues, whether it's the guest list or the band, are because of the money. They do not have that issue.

But the Pelt Beckham's had so many issues, and they weren't money.

Right. But I think the Pelt Beckham... That's a great question. The Pelt Beckham issues were because of either toxic mother-in-law's, which I don't believe we have here. Like these two No, no, no. Sweet old ladies.

It ain't them. They're dispelling all toxic mother-in-law.

And really young, immature bride and groom from Brooklyn and Nikola, which I don't believe these people are in their 30s. When you get married later in life, you do avoid.

Also, Brooklyn and Nikola are spending their parents money, so they have to get approved. It has to be what the parents want, where Taylor and Travis are spending their own money.

Yeah. I've ended up on like, Brit talk. Sometimes my algorithm thinks that I'm Israeli, and I get content in Hebrew, and I don't know what these people are saying. I end up in rabbit holes, and I've clearly been on Team Victoria talk, so much so that they think I'm British. And so much of her music, her books are going viral again. She's trending in the... They're like, We don't mess with our national treasures. They ride. I don't know what the... I feel like America is very toxic mother-in-law, whereas in the UK, they're like, Spoiled brat kids.

It's Harry and Megan.

Yes, it's Harry and Megan. The US is very Brooklyn and Nicholas side.

Set your boundaries. Yeah.

Therapy talk. Whereas the Brits are very much like, they back the firm, the institution.

I find myself in the same position as Harry and Megan.

And there are a lot of- Parallels.

Yeah.

And I forgot that we reported that they had dinner. I don't know if that was something we thought would be funny if it happened or if it actually happened, but they did. Yeah.

They had dinner. They did have dinner.

Today is also the first day where we're styling our hair by ourselves.

I had my- I washed my hair last night. Right.

Me too. And I started fresh with our new $100,000 blowouts. Wait, I was somewhere. Tell us what happened. I figured someone was just like, I love your hair, period. They didn't know about the $100,000 haircut. I forget. Or it might have been... I think it was at the bank. The teller was like, I love your hair. And I was like, Oh, my God.

Did you say Chris Appleton had it?

I literally pointed at him and said, $100,000.

This hair, $100,000.

Is that crazy? Everybody You could see it. Yeah. Thanks.

Are you ready for our next story? Speaking of beauty, number three. Oh, yeah. Pat McGrath, laps. Oh, my God. Laps. Files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Auction canceled.

This is really crazy. There have been whispers. I saw it on TikTok. I'm also sometimes I land on beauty talk, and they think I'm like, you know.

A beautiful woman.

What's she right about. That she has been very close to filing for a while. But how? Which is shocking because she has so many viral products. But I guess there was a Pat McGrath era, and I feel like it's a little bit over.

I don't feel like there was a trend. It's been just that's a quality product when people like it, not like a flash in the pan.

Well, I feel like it's very opposite of the current makeup. It's very like Kylie. It's lots of colors, and it's high-end Kylie. She's known for her shadows, which are crazy colors, big sparkle. And that's not what beauty people are buying right now. It's a very clean girl, which is why Charlotte Tilbury is thriving. She doesn't do anything beyond the color beige. It's very clean girl. So maybe that's why, or I don't know if the brand was run poorly, but it's shocking because this is such a high-end quality, celebrity-loved makeup brand. I mean, Taylor Swift's iconic red that she wears everywhere is Pat McGrath.

Yeah.

So Pat McGrath- I hope she buy some stock.

Well, yeah. I mean, just because someone's filing for Chapter 11 doesn't mean it's over. But they put out a statement saying, During this process, the company will continue operations in the ordinary course of business while working to restructure its balance sheet and to forge a path to thrive.

You know what? I feel like the makeup industry is so oversaturated that I feel like we've been waiting for the domino effect for everybody launched a brand. Some people thrived. Some people fell into oblivion, like Rem Beauty. I'm waiting for them to announce. Right.

That wouldn't be a surprise to me. And I agree, not everyone's going to make it, and the cream rises. And to me, like Pat McGrath this cream.

I don't know. I don't know anybody. I know you use one lipstick. It's in my purse. I don't know anyone. I don't use any Pat McGrath, and I really don't know anyone who has in a while besides when... And it's a really expensive brand, too. So makeup these days, if you're going to be that pricey, I'm trying to think of what a hour glass, really pricey. But they have key products that keep people coming back. The Concealer being one of them. I don't know what cornerstone product everybody uses.

The things that were popular were more makeup trends at the time, not a foundation that you can't live without.

Yes.

I understand. Well, I feel like, first of all, chapter 11 doesn't mean it's over. No, it's not over. Someone could buy it, someone could restructure it and make it valuable once again. Victoria Beckham.

She's crushing it, by the way. I've been getting maybe because- I saw you liked a video that then was sent to me by the algorithm.

What was the video? She was talking about her eyeliner, how she sold- Being sold every 30 seconds. One every 30 seconds. And then when you see that, it's such good marketing because when you see that, I'm like, well, then I need one, even though I don't even wear eyeliner.

I have never used a Victoria Beckham makeup product. And I feel like her whole brand, and I thought this after the documentary, too, is moving from clothes to beauty. She must be, at least in the UK, really successful in beauty. I've felt influenced a couple of times to buy something. I might. Where did they sell it?

I bought two things. Where did they sell it? Not from that video. Online. I got a- Is that Sephora? I don't think so. I got a cream white eyeliner, cream-colored eyeliner, and their lip bomb. Everyone has a lip bomb these days. I think the beauty is paying for the clothes.

Yeah, because I don't know if the clothes are flying off the shelves.

And that's expensive to run, that that keeps everything in the green. I don't think she's interested in running strictly a beauty brand. That was not the dream, but this allows her and her partner for him to make money and for her to live her dream and put out party clothes, which the world does need.

Yeah, but I have felt compelled. If I'm in a store and they sell Victoria Beckham, I might get some beauty. I've heard the contour stick is like, it's tiny. So it's like people love it.

I have a contour stick that I love, but it's becoming increasingly harder to find. So it might be... I just bought two because I'm scared of the day where they tell me.

Well, that's what Taylor Swift is going to have to do with her red lipstick. If Pappacarth truly goes out of business.

Yeah. So let's see what happens.

I wanted to tell you one thing. So on Friday, after Friday's episode, Jackie and I recorded a Patreon episode. Kind of like a quarterly, no, like an annual installment we do called Toast Radio, and the whole theme It's a commuter edition. It's a radio show that we record on Patreon. So if you ever want to listen to music, but also listen to The Toast, you can listen to Toast Radio. We talk about our favorite songs. We do celebrity, like chit chat, ha ha. And one of the songs Jackie selected that she's been listening to during her commute is Band-Aids by Katie Perry. She's giving Katie Perry a second chance. So I listened to it on my commute this morning, and it's actually very good.

I'm so glad that you agree. You influenced me. And I'm glad we're taking it to the main show because I know I said this on Toast Radio, everyone's giving up on Katie Perry's new music. But it's a shame because Bandage is a wonderful song, and it's about her divorce from Orlando Bloom. So it's topical and it's beatsy, and I just feel like no one's paying attention.

And then as I was listening to it, I had a radical thought about Katie Perry. I'm going to make an analogy, if that's okay. I feel like I feel like Katie Perry... No, sorry. Justin Trudeau is Katie Perry's Travis Kelsi. After this big, long relationship, this celebrity couple that you might think is a rebound, I actually think her and Justin Trudeau, if they haven't broken up already, are end game. And you don't think it's ever going to happen after this long breakup. It's giving rebound. But Travis was technically a rebound. Now they're getting married.

Oh, but I don't see Katie and Orlando as I saw Joe and Taylor.

Why they have a kid They were together for like- No, I don't consider Joe and Taylor that much.

I feel like they're less than.

Oh, they were basically married.

I feel like Katie was happy with Orlando. They had a kid. They had a beautiful family. Like, daisies, everything.

I think Taylor was happy with Joe until she wasn't.

No, but what was being put forth was not happiness.

Well, yeah, they were always hiding and living in sin, almost. But I do believe that they were happy, even though you listen to her music now, it's a girl Are you okay?

If anything, I feel like Travis's Taylor's Orlando.

So you think Katie and Orlando are ROTP? Do you think they'll ever find their way back to one another?

I don't know. The song, it didn't sound like it was that...

Yeah, the worst thing he did was not ask her how her day was. It's like, Girl, okay. There are women out here accepting less, so go back.

It didn't feel irreparable. But actually him being with that girl who dressed up as her for Halloween, that to me is like, never speak to me again.

Unfortunately, yeah, I forgot about it. I forgot about that unfarch in that situation.

But yeah, I'll hand you back your analogy. I don't feel like it's a little half-picked.

She's rebutting my analogy. All right, well, you'll be... Keep working. You'll be eating your words when Katie Perry is walking down that Canadian aisle. I don't know. Okay, sure.

I would like to see that. I'm not rooting against your analogy, by the way.

Really? It feels like you really are.

No, I just... The work is incomplete so far.

You're such a teacher sometimes. Actually, Jackie always does say that if she weren't doing what she was doing, she might have become a teacher. And you would be an amazing one because you're a bitch, okay?

I think I would be an amazing teacher.

She's always telling me my ideas are half baked and that I didn't do my homework and that she's sending me to the principal's office.

Which is just my office. I think I see a good principal, too.

There are two different types of teachers. I think we all agree. Teachers, everyone has a teacher.

Like Ms. Honey? Yes. Everybody has a Ms..

Honey and a Ms. Trunchable. You are such a Trunchable.

I think I'm a perfect one of both.

No, I know. Who's your Ms. Honey? I think I have two. Ms. Scheinbein was my Ms. Honey, and Ms. Brochot, she was such a real one.

That's really sweet.

I'm obviously not going to say my Ms. Trunchable because everybody listens to this podcast.

All of our former teacher.

Every time I talk about a teacher, it ends up in my DM. I'm like, Please don't.

So you cannot say you're Ms. Trunchable.

Yeah, even though I'm really trying to think a teacher who scarred you, said something so mean or was so... I know. Sorry. I was talking about her the other day.

Oh.

Bitch.

Yeah.

Who was your Ms. Honey? No one comes to mind. Oh, maybe that's why you are a Trunchable.

But I don't have a Trunchable either.

Maybe every Trunchable never had a honey, and that's how they ended up a honey. But Matilda is like an eternal movie.

I don't have imprinted teachers on me. Good or bad. Good or bad. Well, I guess that's good. Yeah. They were just teaching.

You were just doing their job.

I wasn't like a student that was stood out for better or for worse.

Oh, I definitely was. You know what I mean? For both, for better and for worse.

I'm trying to think. Yeah, no.

Okay. Mr. Levine was your Ms. Honey. Yeah.

I'm very unremarkable.

Jackie, the toe nut. Do not... Don't say that. That's so not true. I've never seen you make that face before. I can't breathe. I've never seen that face before. I'm seriously not not going to care. She's unremarkable, yeah. Okay, then. Sorry, I asked. So sorry, I asked. How do you feel good. I do. Actually never felt better. Okay. Really funny stuff. You're not unremarkable. I mean, you couldn't be unremarkable if you tried. Like, when you were It's the only red head in your grade. Look, please. A part of this all-star family, please. It's true. Which you couldn't have been unremarkable. Wow. That was really, really funny. Thank you for that.

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Our fourth story is some new couple news that needs to be discussed. There's A new couple- Brewing? Blossoming in the Bravo universe. Have you seen this? Carl Radke and Vanita from Southern Charm- Look at you. Are rumored to be dating. Well, they've been talking about it. So they went on a date a few weeks ago, and I think she shared that it was an hour's long date. Very good stuff. And then she was on Watch What Happens Live saying that she's been going out on a few dates with Carl. They're getting to know each other. And then on Instagram, it seems as though they both travel to London together, taking a couple trips. So they're dating. I don't know if they're boyfriend/girlfriend yet, but they are seeing each other.

It's giving Page and Craig.

It is giving- Is this the new Page and Craig? The new Page and Craig.

I do feel like Summerhouse does need new something. And with Page leaving, and it was like, and now Kyle and Amanda's divorce will help ratings. Anything to help these pre-existing because there's quite literally no reason Carl is on this show. He really has not provided much since his breakup with Lindsay. I think it's probably better for him to not be on the show. I think he would probably have it... He's just elevated beyond it. He's sober. I feel like he's doing really well in his life. I don't know what purpose the show serves him besides financial. And he's now in so deep with his bar.

That's, by the way, a serious purpose.

Of course. So I do think he needs things to keep him in the mix a little bit because he does feel like an outsider now with these younger cast mates coming in, like Wes and Jessie. So this is great. If she's going to be on Summer House, she's great on Southern Charm. I think this is good for both of them.

I'm thinking of this. Yeah, but in terms of a personality sense, I could see why they would click, but I don't know if it could go the distance. And also, then again, it's the same page and click situation. Who's moving?

Yeah. I think the difference is that, I don't know, I feel like Vanita would obviously move. Like, Carl is like, such a storied. Even though she has more of a future on Southern Charm than he does on Summer House. Yeah.

And I don't know, she has her house and her thing. She's like, very Charleston.

I feel like- Yeah. And she's settled?

Sort of, yeah. I feel like he's a little more transient. Yeah.

Except so far, he's got $900,000 due in rent.

That's true. So these are big conversations. I'm not to put too much pressure, but it's like, it could become an issue down the line. I am not caught up on Southern Charm. I've seen people, the Southern Charm community, being like, Where are the recap? I'm going to catch up. I'm behind on SC, Southern Charm, and Real House Eyes of Beverly Hills because I've been watching like, Traitors and Tell Me Lies, and there's only so many hours in a day.

I feel like the stream, it's like a streamy moment.

Yeah. And I just got behind on Southern Charm, but I will find the time to get back to it because you know that's my comfort show. Yeah. And like, Zack carried on without me. It's the whole thing.

Zack's been... Your husband's been watching Southern Charmed, have you?

Yeah. We usually watch together because it's a show that we both like. And I don't know when he's like, Want to watch the new episode? I'm like, New episode? Oh, wow.

Now you're keeping up behind your back. Right. Not very supportive.

Not supportive. So then it's like, Oh, well, we can't watch together because we're not... So everything's just a mess.

He doesn't want to watch the old episodes again. And you don't want to be knocked about.

I don't want to jump. I got to get to know Charlie, what's going on with Sally.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I'll try and pick it back up soon. But anyways, I think this is a cute couple and good for content, if nothing else. Right.

Good for BravoCon. It'll be fun if it's just for a moment.

Neither of them are filming right now. So maybe just wait. Yeah. Wait a couple months. Yeah.

So you don't break up before you even get a chance to film and like,. For us to see it. Yeah.

And I feel like they're telling us about it a little early on.

Which is never a good sign.

But fingers crossed. Yeah. And they both seem like they want a serious relationship. So if their intentions are both the same, then I think that's a good place to start.

That's very true.

Our fifth and final story leading into TV recap, Trayers. Alan coming. Oh, please.

Is this about their statement?

Oh, no. Okay. This is about... He gave an interview to Awards Radar.

And amongst- Talking about the banquet?

Yeah. He said a lot of things about the show, some inside baseball that's really interesting.

Like that they don't live at the castle. They live in a courtyard in Marriott.

Oh, that we already knew. But no, he talked about the round tables, how they play like, spooky music for five minutes at the roundtable before Alan comes in. They make the environment very charged. She said for a while, no one speaks because we see that on the show. It's like, who's going to throw it out there? But then it gets so heated. How it's really like a psychological torture experiment.

The fun thing about Alan Cumming is obviously him being really famous and being the host. But I do feel like he loves his job. He's so caught up on the drama. I feel like, and I don't know why this is coming as an example to me, but Ariana Maddo on Love Island. I feel like she has no idea what's going on in the house. She just comes, does her twerls and leaves. I feel like Allan is obsessed. I feel like he's a fan of everyone. I feel like he loves his job.

Yeah, I think he does, too. He was asked, what's the greatest TV moment in history? And he said, I think it's going to come in season four of The Traitors. There's something that happens that is just so insane, and so they go nuts. And there's some behavior that happens because of that. It's just outlandish. So I honestly, it's certainly the best moment of Trader's TV history. So we know that the banquet is next week, but it'll probably be- And he says it when you hear the word banquet. It will probably be... I don't know if it's going to be this episode. He said which episode it is. I think he said seven. I don't know if that's the last.

I think we're on seven. Really? We're about to be seven.

Okay. So next episode is- It was three, two, one.

They released three episodes, two episodes, then one. Okay. That would make this the seventh.

Well, I hope so.

Me too. The trailer looked good, but it always looks good. So him saying this, obviously, I don't know if he's just hyping it up, but it does sound like really crazy happens when they all sit down at that banquet. This most recent episode was so good. I'm obsessed with the concept of this show, and I feel like you really can never predict who is going to end up doing well, because I feel like I remember saying at the beginning, Candice Dillon was out like such a bad choice for a traitor. She's fucking crushing it. I do understand why nobody has guessed her. What I had said was that Lisa was such a good traitor, and Candice is not going to be a good one. It's the total opposite. I'm shocked at how not only how bad of a traitor Lisa is, how bad she is at confrontation. She should be counting her stars, that the internet... Colton thought he was going to come on this show and undo a lot of the poor image issues he had. It's just having such a bad effect. I don't think he should have done it. It's having the opposite effect.

And he's being so creepy and weird. And it's like, well, you're accused of being creepy, and you are creepy. So creepy is going to creep. And so creepy is going to creep. Lisa's winning just because of goodwill. Everyone hates Colton. But in terms of the show, Colton is crushing Lisa. She's so bad when she's being accused. She just like... And Lisa fucking... Nobody cares.

That's not a rebuttal. What she was trying to say is that- She's more than a housewife. No, not even like, I'm more than anyone could say that. But it's like she's not necessarily cast on the show because she was on Housewives.

She actually hasn't been on Housewives for a couple of years.

She has 36 years of experience in the business. She's an actress. She could have been on the show as an actress. So she doesn't automatically just go into the Housewife box. Sure. I mean, it was It was a slay for the internet, but I don't think Colton's buying it.

I mean, if he was suspicious of her, her reactions have just confirmed for him. And nobody cares that he's playing well now because we hate him. And he was being really creepy this episode, even more like, you can... He had this just manic twinkle in his eye when he was on to Lisa, like that of a crazy person. And so you can see how he did stalk and harass someone because he's good at it. Like, I'm going to hold Lisa hostage and he has this- He's very zeroed in. Insane. I've never seen him so excited. It's creepy. So Lisa's just winning popular opinion because she's up against the villain. Online, you mean? Yeah. And she's not getting properly criticized for being a horrific traitor. Her time is limited.

Yeah, it is. I thought Rob is playing an amazing game.

Okay, so when he turned around and said Lisa, he got very lucky that Lisa didn't end up getting sent home because while they are a team, they're also playing for themselves. So he did... He has to protect the traitors, but he also has... So I understand why he did what he did. It was a very human moment for Ron. I was just so glad. Everyone's pissing me off. You said it. You were like, the eight of them were deciding to go in on Colton and not get swayed because Colton always swings.

The whole thing Johnny said, he always comes to the table and he sways everyone. We have to get rid of him because he's not making- He's a swayer. He doesn't make good choices, and he's leading us poorly. He's the leader, but he's leading us poorly, and we all get wrapped up in Colton. So they had eight people who were going to vote for Colton. And literally at the roundtable, two Two of them got swayed by Colton. The reason why they were going to vote for him to begin with and didn't vote for him. Now, I don't necessarily want Colton to go home because I think he's good for the show, and he is on to Lisa. The traitors can't send him home now because- It's so obvious. Yeah. And I feel like They have yet to name someone where when they say it, it's like, Aha. But when he said Lisa, now everyone looking back at her gameplay so far, it's so obvious.

I don't know how- It's the sunglasses.

No, but the fact that she's this huge person. And yes, her rebuttal of like, What do you want me to dance on the table? I'm not a housewife all the time, but she does have a huge personality. If anybody has watched her shows, they know that she's a big mouth.

And that's Candice, too. And Candice is really leaning into that, and it's working for her.

Yeah. And Candice has a lot of camaraderie with the faithfuls. The fact that Tara and Johnny are like, it's- Going to trust her.

Yeah. Also, the roundtable was so frustrating because when we're looking back, Tiffany is very much Colton's doing. And I guess Portia is Ron's doing. And Ron's like, But you also got Michael kicked out. And I know it doesn't count because we don't like Michael, but you did. And it was like, Thank you for finding... Everyone in this group is so easily brainwashed that it actually, it really is like a sociological experiment on how people who are even really smart and tough otherwise, a group think is so real because like, yeah, like Michael said something that we didn't like. And it's like, Well, you did falsely accuse him of being a traitor. And you got lucky that he said that. But you still, like that's still a knock in your column. And Ron's like, But that doesn't count because we don't like Michael. I guess, Ron, stand up for yourself. And he almost turned that table. It was actually when I was watching it, me and Ben, it was very tense. I had no idea who was going home.

If Colton were able to turn that table for Lisa, that would have actually been masterful, and he would have been right.

And he would have been vindicated for everything.

And he was so close to doing it because when they sat down, it was either Ron or Colton going home. He had the eight votes. They were going to send him home. So the fact I don't think that he got that close. He is good at this game. If he didn't have issues in his personal life that the audience didn't like, he would be really goaded so far in how he's playing the game.

Well, now I worry for Candice because Candice has been resting on Ron, right? She's like, I've said Ron from the beginning. So she hasn't had to make any hard decisions because Ron is still there. I agree. Now Ron is out. Lisa's name is being thrown around.

But you don't vote for a housewife, so she can easily go with that.

That's so true, which is such a dumb rule.

Yeah, because it's like, what if you really think the housewife is a traitor? You're not going to vote for them because they're a housewife?

Michael Rappaport went on Radio Andy, and he said, There's so much that hasn't been shown. There was apparently a huge, insane housewives level blow up between Caroline Stanbury and Dorinda. And also Ron and Dorinda, both of which... They say that Dorinda is getting this protective edit. Michael Rappaport said that the fight between Caroline and Dorinda really had nothing to do with traitors, and that might be why it didn't make air. But during the roundtable between Dorinda and Ron, it did like, weirdly get heated when he was like, I'm my family. And it was like, that's weird. And he was responding to comments being like, there is so much lore there that nobody knows. I would love to know what happened. And there is a trader's reunion. So I do think a lot of these questions will get answered because it seems like a lot of people are fighting about things that have nothing to do with the traders. So I'm curious.

Well, it is a lot of personalities in one house. And that's what they're used to doing is fighting. Yeah.

I guess Dorinda, and I didn't watch last season, but she was the first person sent home last season. So people were really excited about her potential for being on the show. And just because the gameplay, she got sent home. So it was like, I don't ride for Dorinda at all. I did not like her as a housewife. I think she goes really low and says the most evil shit you can say to someone. And she's like, Oh, I'm Dorinda. I'm like, Okay. So I could see her saying really mean things to Ron, who's just weak. Yeah. He doesn't defend himself well. And now he's- Well, he does at the roundtable.

Well, he did.

He had a great roundtable.

He doesn't have a lot of allies. He doesn't really care to make them. He's just playing the game. And if he were a traitor, he'd be the world's worst traitor because he's not even trying to be with the faithful. So they're just so surface level. I would love to watch the show played by people who are very smart and very good at gameplay. Unfortunately, they eliminated all the gamers.

That's the core issue with traitors is that it's designed to get rid of people who would be playing the game best.

Well, first, they just got rid of people who they know play good games. They got rid of the Rob and the survivor people just because they know them to be smart. They didn't even do anything yet. Right. So it would be good when they do traitors, regulars, it will be good because people don't have preconceived notions about each other, only keeping the dumb-dums around.

That's very true. That's very much like survivor, regular survivor, because those survivor people are regular people who once survive.

Yeah, who are just good at gaming, but they're getting eliminated because of that. They didn't even start to game yet.

Yeah. I feel like not enough. They're always They target Colton. They target people because they're leaders. I feel like no one has targeted Natalie yet, and she's not a traitor, but I feel like she's the exact type of person that this group would come after because she's always steering people the wrong way.

Yeah. And also they need to understand, and maybe In the past seasons, it hasn't been this way, and they're just going off of what people did last season because, again, not the brightest bunch. But if someone is putting themselves out there and taking shots and putting a target on their back, it's likely that they're not a traitor because that's so obvious that then they're going to be going next.

In this particular group, too, they're just hunting people who speak up, which is such a bad method because like, okay, so what are we supposed to do?

Yeah. Really, you have to look at people who aren't speaking up, who would otherwise be speaking up, like Lisa Rinna.

And the Portia thing is so crazy that people think Ron was a traitor because, yes, he did bring it up. But then at the roundtable, she flubbed her words again, and that's really what turned a lot of people. So it was like, yes, Ron's provided the evidence. That did happen. He was just doing what he was supposed to do. But a lot of people said Portia and voted for her because at that exact roundtable, she said, We They killed. She messed up again.

But we did kill Ian because they put coffins in his grave that then the traitor sent him home.

It was a group effort. Yeah. It wasn't all Ron.

I agree. And it's Portia was way more popular than Ron. Right. So how could he have gotten her sent home when she had so much goodwill?

I just feel like no one was onto Lisa, so she got lazy. And the second there was any heat on her, she just sucks. She's She's being so... It's painful to watch. She's just making that same Lisa right in face. And it's just not compelling. And you know what? She should have taken that Colton deal.

But what can someone do once the suspicions on them, really.

Unless- She could have told everyone at the roundtable, Colton is here for himself, and he tried to make a deal with me. He thinks I'm a traitor, but I'm not. Except that really just confirms to people that Colton is not a traitor.

Yeah.

Because I wonder, why wouldn't she tell everyone? That makes Colton look so bad, and it makes her look like a team player. Like, look, he's trying to just save himself. But then I guess it pretty much confirms that in backdoor rooms, he's not a traitor.

But sometimes they need to eliminate people who they know are faithfuls who are distracting to the game, who keep bringing up names and their sniffer is off. And if this person is very compelling that we're going to listen to them all the time and they keep giving us the wrong name, then they are getting in the way of the game.

Just can't stand Colton. Oh, and then The traders put out this statement on their social media.

Very Love Island USA.

Very Love Island USA. Except Love Island USA was responsible for a lot of the US. So they put out this black and white statement just about bullying.

Who is being bullied? I believe Colton.

Because this was the first week that... Demi from his season has been making a lot of TikToks. If you watch The Bachelor, and I feel like so few people now who in reality or were watching reality back then. So not a lot of people know. I feel like a lot of people at the round tables and stuff do not know that Colton has this sorded past. So this week was the first time he was acting really creepy. And people are like, well, if you want to know his lore about being creepy. So they posted the statement, We are committed to making our cast feel safe, respected, and supported on screen and off. The cast of The Traitors are real people, and what happens in the game should never lead to cyberbullying or harassment. There's a difference between discussing a show and targeting individuals. So let's not ruin the passion for this show with unwarranted negativity and personal attacks. We appreciate your support. And I have to assume that means is regarded to Colton, right?

Yeah. I don't really know who else is getting heat. Michael Rappaport was. They didn't write that statement when New York magazine said, It's Michael Rappaport Ruining Traitors. Those things are always so full of shit to me.

It's so performative, transparent. And it's like, well, if you really cared about bullying and harassment, you wouldn't have cast a harasser. Right. So I don't know what they could- Plus, I've been seeing a lot that the edit, the way the show is manipulated in so many ways is crazy.

When they're filming the show, they're incredibly manipulated. They film so many things so many times, one to keep the scent off of people, but they are literally in this crazy experiment to begin with, even playing spooky music before Allen comes out. They're manipulating the cast. Then they manipulate the edit to make it look like other things. Then we are just piecing together stuff. I feel like they're most interested in high entertainment value, not protecting people's mental health in a show that's literally a stamp.

A psychological experiment. I hate when shows do this.

They did the same thing to Love Island. They're fucking with these people so bad. They're keeping people on who are mentally unstable.

They're letting Instagram drama penetrate. They literally kicked out Sierra for an old Instagram post. They feed into a lot of that internet drama, and then they're like, Stop bullying.

No, and they keep people on. They manipulate things to keep people on who are having a hard time and acting crazy because they want the crazy. And then we're like, That person's crazy. And they're like, Don't call them crazy. And it's like, Well, You left the crazy person on and you cast them in the first place.

And you're making them crazy. Yeah. No, totally. I hate when shows do that.

Just be the show that you said you are.

If you really care about the show, implement changes to protect, but you don't actually care. So stop yelling at us. We're just watching your show. We're reacting to what you put out. Right. In a crazy way. Right.

And by the way, I didn't bully or harass anyone.

No. And if we're going to start accusing people of harassing, let's just start with the man who has a order against his ex-girlfriend. Like, please.

It's crazy that she never talks about it.

She must be fucking traumatized. Everybody talks about the car- The tracker. The tracker, which in and of itself is a crazy thing to do to your ex-girlfriend. You put a tracker on her vehicle. But he was textually assaulting all of her family members. It was this really traumatic thing her and her family went through. She removed herself from public life after that and literally is married. Nobody knows anything. Her sister is famous now. She It was like, She does not mess with him. It must have been the most traumatizing thing. Oh, and all the while, he's coming out as gay. It must have been the most confusing, weird thing. So, yeah, she was quite literally never seen again. It must have been worse than we even imagined. And then what we know.

But the fact that she doesn't chime in now with this... Anyone else would be with a shade Instagram.

No, she wants no part of this. That's how you know he's really scary and crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, please save the- Who do you think Lisa Rinna will kill with her brooch?

I saw a good theory.

I feel like the theories are always right. I know. They don't know anything.

Dorinda. Because one, Dorinda is the backup that Colton has in being like Lisa Rinna is not usually like this. And I feel like she could easily get Dorinda to touch her brooch, be like, Oh my God, feel my brooch.

Yes, but how would they... Just who could they blame that on? Being like, Who would want to kill Dorinda right now besides Rinna? She was beefing with Ron, but Ron's gone.

Yeah. It could just be like a traceless killing. Like, if she killed Eric.

Yeah, maybe. Because why would a housewife- It's not traceless.

Why would a housewife- Maybe they look like they're framing Dorinda, framing Lisa.

Yeah. It's not a perfect theory, but she really needs to get rid of someone. It can't be Colton.

It could be Colton because if, say she was a faithful and they get rid of Colton. Well, a faithful wouldn't get rid. A traitor wouldn't get rid of Colton because he's so good at missing the mark. But it would be a great way to then put to frame Lisa Rinna.

She could say I'm being framed. Yeah. Which is a... And then at least she gets rid of Colton.

Yeah. Which is like, Before he successfully takes her down when she's about to.

Or he gets a shield because he said, I'll get a shield every time you won't be able to kill me.

But if they don't kill him now, they're never going to kill him because we'll always lead back to Lisa Rinna. Yeah. And I feel like not killing him is confirmation that it's Lisa Renna. That is true. No one's really thinking two steps ahead. Yeah. And it's not even about thinking two steps ahead. It's about just being able to successfully argue your point and make them believe that, of course, they're going to kill... They killed Colton to now, You guys will all target me. You could really manipulate them. You could spin it either way. You could spin it either way. You're not like the bride.

Yeah, because if everybody thinks Lisa's a traitor and she's not, the traitors would kill Colton because it makes Lisa looks like the traitor. So she could say that, too. Yeah, it's just about being a good argument and a good verbal manipulator, of which Lisa is not. Yeah.

And Colton is. Ron is.

They got to get rid of Colton.

Ron was. Rob and Candice are doing great. I feel like a trade over won. I don't know. I feel like it's really hard. I would love to see it because none of the faithfuls who are still there, unless Colton wins, and it would be well earned, aside from the reason we don't like him, he would have earned that win. No one, everyone else is just coasting by Mark Ballas when he should win.

I feel like Mark Ballas, I feel like he's a big personality, and he might be getting cut out because where is he? But who's giving quite literally nothing? Maura. Yeah. She's been wholly disappointing, except that her and Rob have to run away together.

Well, I feel like if they fall in love and then he's a traitor, it might meet for interesting TV down the line. I love that. But so far she's not giving much. But I'll hold out Hope for her because she has a big personality. But Tara and Johnny and Jam Jan and Steven Colette, even though he seems like a stand-up guy.

That was nice. Yeah.

I don't want to see one of them win. They didn't earn anything. Agreed.

They're just being groupthink followers who were just the last man standing. Yeah. Yeah.

And Mark Ballis, I'll put him in that category, too. Yeah. Even Natalie a little bit.

Yes, Natalie. That was a crazy outfit she was wearing. And also Christine.

Kristen, yeah.

She's smart. I just get the vibe that she's a smart person, and she's just not being smart. Yeah. It's groupthink. She's just getting swayed by the group, majority rules.

She's just another number. And I don't want to see one of those people win because it's not earned. They're not taking risks.

And they're not critically thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay, well, that's your Traitor's Recap. That was your show. Anything else we need to chat about before we go?

No, I think that's all. And if we do, we could talk about it tomorrow.

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