Transcript of The Accidental Matriarch: Friday, January 30th, 2026

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They sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast. Yay, For Friday. Hey, Jacquie, how you doing?

Good morning, queen Corgi.

Good morning, Pauper. Jacks.

I guess.

Yeah, you're my loyal subject. Although you don't seem very loyal.

First of all, I'm- No, it's true. I'm loyal. I'm loyal. I could not be more loyal as an individual.

Although I feel as though you're really only using me for Cub Corgi. You love Cub Corgi.

That's not true because I loved Queen Corgi- Before. Long before I ever met Cub Corgi. She became Mama Corgi. Met Cub Corgi. I didn't meet Cub Corgi till two nights ago, and I've been standing Queen Corgi since October.

You had a busy day doing press interviews. Press this, press that. Everybody wanting an interview with Queen Corgi. She's very busy, that quirks.

Yeah, but she's really opening up to the press.

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Well.

Let's talk about something. Let's talk about my Botox and my filler because it's been a couple of days and I feel like- It's setting. I feel like I'm loving it.

I think you look great. Yeah. Your lips- Look great. They look great because they don't even look that changed.

So what I believe, I heard her talking about it, and then I was watching TikTok, and apparently this is what the procedure, if you want to call it that, it's called. It's called a kiss.

You told me that.

Oh, I did? Okay. So if anybody wants you love my lips and you want to tell your doctor, it's called a kiss.

I guess I do see your upper lip.

Yeah, they really... They only put the needle in the top of my lip, to lift it a little bit. And then a little Botox under my nose. I feel like my smile has been so less gummy.

I'm really- Really see your smile? Part Right?

And I can feel my forehead not moving.

I'm so jealous. I was looking at my forehead today, and I was just counting down another day, counting off the calendar. You're almost there. You know what? I should make an appointment with... There There was a person you wanted to get an appointment with, but you couldn't get an appointment for a few months. That's when I'll be ready.

Yes. I should make the appointment. Where I ended up going, I had the best experience. I highly recommend.

I probably will go there. I'm glad that it worked out the way that it did. But I am in a place to get a great appointment right now.

Yeah, you are. But you don't know anyone who's like, you can see me. I am. I see you for what you really are. And I know you do. And then you don't see my calls. Which is ugly.

I texted you last night. Good call.

I had a good call about someone from Trader's reminding us of someone we know.

It was a good It was a good call. I got a good call.

You also made a crazy call offline to me yesterday that I didn't really agree with. What did you say?

What did I say?

We were sitting on your couch and you said...

It was really out there.

It was out there. It'll come to us. You made a call about a celebrity who looks like someone.

What were we talking about?

We talk about everything. We cover the gamut of all things.

Okay.

Today's episode is fabulous. We've got Traitor's Recap, we've got Queenie and Weenie. We've got- Did you watch Tell Me Lies?

I did. Me too. Oh, great. Maybe we'll make that a fourth story recap.

Was it the best episode ever? Because Steven was barely in it. I was like, Why am I enjoying this episode so much? I don't feel that dread, that pit. He was in it for two seconds. Of course, the seconds that he were in it was enough to make me want to kill him.

But there was something that was really... Oh, when he sent the pictures of Diana. Yeah, awful. That was dreadful.

I love Diana.

I love her, but she's being an idiot.

Yeah, she's lost control. She had a lot of control last season keeping things from Steven. And this season, she can't help but rub his nose in. It's like, Girl, you're not out of the woods yet.

No. And that was pit inducing. However, if someone... I feel like it's going to backfire on him because why would a college... Someone's ex sent them- Revenge porn. Revenge porn.

You know what I mean? Also, it's a law school, and revenge porn is quite literally illegal.

So I hope that that does backfire onto him.

There's quite literally nobody on this planet I hate more. Also, I liked the episode so much because it was so much Wrigley and Brie and obsessed. I could not be more obsessed. They make me... I'm kicking my feet.

No. And like, Wrigley putting Steven in his place a number of times. But you could just see, like, Steven's really happy. He has no one to share it with, and he's trying to be happy.

And it's like, he's going to have an equal and opposite reaction when he realized, So my joy is cruelty. Yeah. And when he was tricking everyone to go out and celebrating him, I was like, seriously, got the biggest ick. Could you be a bigger loser? Speaking of ick, I got the biggest ick last night from Ben. He was actually Okay, so I told you, Ruby has a running nose. So this light little cold has been running through our house. You could tell I have a little... I'm really fine. Ben got hit with a true cold. His nose is so stuffed. When you can't pronounce certain vowels and consonants, instead of saying, I'm fine, he's like, I'm fined. He was being so nasally in bed last night. We were trying to watch The Tradeers. We were getting snacks. We did Go Puff. We ordered some Truffro. And he was like, What do you want? And I was just like, Yucky. He was just being like, And I was like, I need you to stop talking. He was like, You're being so mean. I'm like, I'm sorry, but if you talk like that... And he was in my ear, too, being like, Oh, my God.

I'm clotting. Yeah, but it was worse than that. Like, I know this is really stuffy. And I was like, Okay, get away from me. He was being so icky last night.

You know what's also icky about it? It's like, you fought the same thing that he's fighting, and Ruby's fought it, and it's like, we're all- It's taking him down. You're all stronger than you. I've been through this, and it's not that serious.

I've been where you are. And it's like, Man, to go to war. And now the amount of tissues on his neck.

And now you're getting a worse cold than me.

Oh, and then as I was falling asleep, I was in that phase of sleep where I'm just about like...

La la land, is what I call it.

What do I hear? Like, blowing his nose. And I'm like, You are going to have to do that elsewhere. And then this morning, he was like, I don't know if you heard, but I left the room last night in the middle of the night to go blow my nose. I'm like, Well, the middle of the night is like, I probably would have slept through it. But right at 10: 47 is when you need to leave the room. It was just a crazy night in my house.

That is It's crazy. It's a crazy night in my house, because it's sleeping like a newborn again, eating every three hours. It could just be like a- Growth spurt. It could just be like a spurt, so we'll see because we have been trying to get him to sleep in the crib, but it might have to go back to co-sleeping because that couldn't work. We get better stretches when we all sleep together in the bed.

Listen, you got to look out for number one.

Yeah, we were getting better sleep a few weeks ago than we are now.

But I also do feel like that just sometimes happens. It's not linear. It is linear, but there are little divots, and maybe you're just in a divot.

Perhaps, and I'm fine with that, and I'm willing to ride it out. Ride out the weekend. To a degree. But every three hours, 10, 3, 6: 30. Second work. So we got to switch it up. Shake it up, Chicago, girlfriend. Yeah, I think I'm going to shake up some things. I wasn't going to talk to you about it.

Our schedule?

No, no, no, no. My feeding.

Oh, okay. I would love to talk about it.

No, I'm just like, no, it's not a full thought.

Are you thinking maybe starting combination?

Maybe just to get a little Yes, by the way.

That's how a lot of people do. Because formula... But the thing about breast milk that's so beautiful is that it digests so quickly because it's so natural. It's very sensitive on the baby's stomach, and that's great. But that means they get hungry again quicker. So a lot of people just introduce formula at night.

Well, because also when he's feeding all night, then when I pump in the morning, I always pump to get out the extra, and there's not that much extra. Two weeks ago, when I would pump to get out the extra, I was getting 10 ounces.

Yeah, but you're also just regulating. It's now the time.

No, but enough for a bottle while I'm gone, and then some for the freezer. Today, I had to take out of the freezer for while I'm gone.

Oh, I've so been where you are.

Because I'm feeding throughout the night. But if we don't feed in the night, then I pump in the morning and I get plenty for the day.

I love formula at night. Do it.

It's seriously fine. I'm thinking about it. We'll see how the next few days goes, but I'm just like, I'm not taking from the back freezer. I didn't take from even the front freezer.

I had to take from the back freezer. When you start, when you're still breastfeeding and you're actively dipping into your own stash, it's so traumatizing. It's really when your milk starts to regulate. That's exactly what happened to me.

My milk is regulated because I was never a pumper. But now that we're eating more at night, that takes away from what I'm producing during the day. I hear you. And I need to reverse it.

Yeah. Uno, reverse. 1,000 %. I have a can of formula that I leave at your house. Go for it.

I don't know what I'm going to use.

I know. The formula wars.

Yeah. It's wild out there.

I'm waiting for the episode of American Greed.

Oh, gosh.

It's so crazy out here.

I know. It's such a hard choice.

I know. Even though, then once you do it, it's like, okay. Yeah. I feel like now if I was stuck in... Because I realized on a TikTok, somebody said, they don't sell any formula at airports, which is actually crazy. They should sell formula. They don't sell diapers either. There should be a vending machine. There's Kyla Cosmetics. If I was in an emergency, and I feel like now, when I was choosing formula, I was like, I have to look at all the studies. Now I'm like, put it in the model. I It would take anything.

What does it have to do with the airport?

If I was in an emergency in the airport.

So what would you do?

Someone was like, Well, here I have whatever. I'll be like, Yeah, sure. I feel like the bandaid, ripping off the bandaid is the hardest part. If you've never given formula. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once you have, it's whatever.

No, and I have in the past, and we use the same one the last two times, and it was good. So I don't know why I might not do it again. I don't know.

It's a big decision, feeding. It's such a big decision. I think about what I'm going to eat so thoroughly. I'm always thinking about what I'm going to eat. The amount of thought that goes into my own appetite.

It's huge. And it wouldn't make sense for us to do different formulas because we're always sharing.

Sharing, yeah. It would just be more convenient for me since I literally post up at your house all the time these days. If you could just just be on my journey as well.

Yeah, but Ruh, he's not picky. No, no. If I switch, he'd switch.

Yeah, a thousand %. That's what I'm saying. I could put anything in his bottle.

Yeah, because he's not a picky, Ruh. No.

Unlike his mama. Well, today's episode is- He's like his father.

Yes, exactly. He's saving habits. Very adventurous. Vacuum. He'll try all formulas from all corners of the world.

Yes. Vacuum. We have so much to do today. We've got Queenie and Weenie, we've got traitors. We actually can.

We actually can. Dilly Dilly, we have two TV recap. Queenie and Weenie, we're recording a I'm going to have a feature on after.

It's like, We have, let's get down to business.

The Girls Want a Maj.

To defeat the... Hun. Yeah, I know. But we're not defeating the Hun here at the toes. Who do we defeat here every day? The patriarchy. I love that. Do we? I feel like we are the patriarchy.

Do you feel that? I feel like we're actually low-key defeating the patriarchy while also trying to uphold it. Do you know what I mean?

No.

We're pro-patriarchy in essence, right?

Yeah.

I work- It's like a patriarchal society.

I wouldn't say I'm pro-patriarchy. I'm not going to lie. I don't 100% know what the patriarchy is. I know it's like men who built this country keeping those like, women-hating systems in place. I do think there are some of those like, women Hating systems are just low-key better lives for women. I love my job, obviously, but I would have loved also not to have to work.

Right. That would be the patriarchy. That would have kept you in the home, which- Yeah, which I love my home.

I'm teetering on. I can't decide I don't know whether the patriarchy is bad.

Well, I think it gets a really bad rap, but I think the actual definition- I also think sometimes the internet- Wait, sorry.

I think internet speak, they confuse the patriarchy with government. Do you know what I mean?

Here's the thing. A system of government in which the father or eldest male is the head of the family, and descend is traced through the male line. That's literally what we live in.

I guess because...

Yeah, okay. So it's like, we're a pro-patriarchy, where the father would be the head of the family. Sure. Go ahead. However, we're actually up...

We just found ourselves in a matriarchy.

In a matriarchal world.

I didn't set out to be a matriarch, yet here I'm such a matriarch.

I didn't set out to fuck the patriarchy, yet here we are. Fucking it. Fucking the patriarchy.

Yeah. Unintentionally.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, that's really quite beautiful. Yeah.

So someone wants to fix that?

I just think also I find the word patriarchy the way some people feel about moist. I just feel like some people make the patriarchy and fucking it like their whole personality. And I'm like, Girl, go back to work. I find patriarchy verbiage, an internet. I find it annoying. So I'm not with them.

No, it's taking on a meaning of its own, but actually definition. It's just a government in which... And it is a patriarchy.

So it is the government. Okay, I was wrong about that.

Like a society in which the men hold the power.

Yeah, I guess we've quite literally never had a female president. That's really crazy.

Yeah, but also think about your kids. They have your husband's last name. It's traced through the male line.

But here's the thing. If I I had made a really big stink. I could have gotten Ruby's last name to be Asher. I could have fought my way.

We've had this conversation. I think we had it with Ben on the Toast.

Yeah, we did when we were in the Hamptons. He was not down. But if I sat him down and I really worked on it, I could have gotten it. I think it's nice. I have no problem with it not being my last name.

I actually think... I have no... This is how it is now, but I do think if I could- We're nearing the end of that.

I think that will change in the next 100 years.

Yeah. To me, it doesn't make a ton of sense.

Yeah, we have said this when we do Dear Toaster because a lot of girls write in being like, It's hard to change your name, and they feel conflicted. Sometimes someone's last name is like, Doody, or whatever. And we always say it really shouldn't be a gendered issue. It's not like it's automatically the man or it's automatically the woman. I think some names, sorry, are better than others. Sonically, some names have a lot of history. I think there's a lot of factors that go into it, and the family should just decide based on lots of different factors. How does it look? Initials, things of that... Some shallow. I don't like that last name. Or we had a famous uncle.

No, I think there should be a reason, but it's like the woman carries the child. Like, maternity. That's patriarchy.

Maternity is established. If I carry the baby and the baby has my last name, who is this man? Yeah. But I do feel like that is classic patriarchy. We carry, we feed, we do everything, and we don't even get the name.

Yeah. So that's like, I don't love that one. Me neither. Listen, patriarchy is not perfect. But I'll accept it. It's been this way for hundreds of years. I don't necessarily think it should change now. I think that would be really confusing.

I think people who hate the patriarchy want to just get rid of everything since the dawn of time. And I do feel connected to the woman of your because we're still doing some of the same things. So I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. We're so matriarchical- Beyond. In our lives. I don't even think we realized, but it's like we didn't choose.

We're just the accidental matriarchs. That's the name of today's episode, of course, and also our memoirs, the Accidental Matriarch. Yeah. That's really beautiful. Please, I love my job. I earn a great living. If I had it, my druthers, I would just be a kept woman. Especially since I had a baby, I'm so tired. But I love my job, and I'm never going to quit. Yeah, but it's like, accidentally, here we are, Busting patriarch busters. I wish it was a way to find a TikTok that you saw this morning that stuck with you. Do you know what I mean?

Oh my God. And the ones that I save because I think they're going to stick with me, I never go back for. And the ones that stick with me, I didn't save.

Maybe if I liked it, I don't like stuff on TikTok, I just scroll. But if you like it, there's a liked section. Let me see. Fuck, no. It was this video of this 100-year-old farmer being like, Why women should stay home? And it wasn't stereotypical, make me a sandwich. It was like, women need to stay home so they can take bubble baths and live luxuriously and not get wrinkles. And it was like, yes, actually. And the comments were like, And the comments were like, And if that was my husband, I would want to make I would want to keep him a sandwich. I would want to keep a nice home.

The sandwiches come naturally.

So the way that men talk about women staying home, it was all for their own benefit. It's like, well, fuck off. I'm going to work. But if the men were like, I need my woman to stay home so she can be happy and healthy and thrive. Well, you know I would want to make the bed for you for when you get back. I just think maybe the way we talk to one another has a lot to do with it as well. I agree. Not be like, my woman stays home and she wipes my ass and she cleans my toilets and she makes me a sandwich.

Yeah. It's like, Well, no. Why do you have that accent?

Because the guy in the video did. Like, dead ass. He was a big ass farmer.

Well, I love that. Deer farmer. Yeah. Bring back Deer farmer.

Bring back Sea Farm. What happened to them? They were one of our biggest sponsors.

They were just like, laying low, I guess. Yeah. But they sponsored Deer Toaster, something called it Deer Farmer, and that's just Toasty Lion.

We should have changed it- Permanently. Permanently to the Deer Farmer segment.

We should give it a Toasty Lion. Yeah. Let's get into the stories, okay? Without further, a do da do da do It's time for the fast five stories that you need to know.

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Thank you, Koji. Our first story, X is Kendall Jenner and Devon Booker are raising eyebrows with a flirty exchange over the Super Bowl ad. We talked about Kendall's fanatic Super Bowl ad. There's been more roll out. She went on Jimmy Kimmel and facetimed.

That was Fallon.

She went on Jimmy and she facetimed Tom braided, and they're doing more shtick, the Super Bowl and fanatics.

And Tom braided is a fanatics investor. He's like a O. G.

Yeah. So then Devon Booker, she said that she thought that the Seahawks were going to win the Super Bowl. She was asked to who is she going to bet on, whatever. He commented on that. He said, I bet a million Seahawks get that ring before you do at Kendall Jenner with the blushing, very girly emoji.

Oh, I know that one. Spare of fingers.

Yeah. That's not for a big man, but okay. And then she wrote back at D Book, rolling eyes emoji, How's the ankle? And he wrote back, Come rub it.

How did he still come?

No, properly.

Thank God for that.

Thank God for that. So people were like, What in the what?

Is this shtick? The people were confused whether this was a real comment that he left or part of the campaign.

So it seems like it's part of the campaign because he also posted a story in support of fanatics. So it seems like he's in the fanatics family and they're bantering and I'm getting paid to banter. However, I don't think it's part of anyone's media and marketing strategy to say, Come rub it. Yeah. I feel like his initial comment, I bet a million Seahaw to get that ring. By the way. Was mean, but also he's like, Betting, he's still making about fanatics. And then they went rogue.

I just feel like he went off script.

To rub his ankle.

The thing is, is not to be such a narc because I was loving this campaign and I still am. But I get in trouble when I don't do like hashtag ad and stuff like that. You can get sued by the FTC. And I feel like us guessing whether or not this is a paid endorsement just does violate FTC regulations. His comment I would have had to have said before you do @kendeljenner #ad because it is confusing. I just... Sorry to be an arc.

Yeah, but I guess when you're the spokesperson for a company, you can sometimes post in support of them and it's not paid.

Yes, but we didn't know Devon Booker.

No, but we didn't support them. Coming on his story about fanatics, like some chart or whatever.

I'm finding this whole campaign less and less- If your campaign requires me to watch a video from Jimmy of Kendall FaceTimeming Tom Reedy, I actually didn't watch it because I don't care. Yeah. So all the positive fun feelings that I had on Monday or whenever we talked about it, they are lessening. It was still a great commercial, but I don't know, Kendall was being like, nerd on valid. I'm just like, I'm liking it less.

Yeah, it's just a lot to consume. I don't want to have to keep up. I don't want to feel like I missed something. Yeah.

And I know we were waiting for a follow-up commercial, perhaps on the actual day of the Super Bowl, and that I would have been fine and fun with.

It felt like her spot on Jimmy was sponsored by fanatics. It was. It's a lot to keep up with, and I don't want to do that much keeping up at the moment. Yeah, I've seen some other rollouts. Make it easy for me.

I've seen some other rollouts, and it pains me because I'm about to say something negative about Uber Eats, which is probably my most used application. But I feel like they often fall into the of just like- Throw money on it. Throw money, throw celebrities with really unmemorable commercials. They're one of the brands that spends the most money every year on the Super Bowl. They've already started their roll out with Parker Posey. It's just very topical, very white Lotus. It's a little alt stated. Yes, for sure. I remember they had Ross and Rachel from Friends, so they get amazing celebrities, but everything's so unmemorable. I feel like they need to do something different. They're always just doing the same formula, and I feel like it's not memorable. They spend so much money. They just try and get the most famous person that they could possibly get, and it's like, okay.

Yeah. And there's so much you could do. It's not a hard brand to advertise for.

No. And I love Uber Eats. It's my favorite.

Well, that's a fair criticism. Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story? And the commercial was so corny. It was like, well, it was like her being very Parker Posey. Like, football is like... Okay, she doesn't talk like that. She was saying how football is so food-coated. You know, Jerry Rice. Yeah. And then I don't know the other players that she named, but they all had food in there. And I was like, oh. Yummy. It was so written by a third grader. Wow. Yeah. They need to hire the fanatics writer who wrote that Kendall commercial.

Yeah.

The commercial is still great. The cheese stands alone, but everything else I could live without.

What's the cheese stands alone?

Ben is always saying it. I realized this morning that I was the one- He literally titles our episode because I was running out the door, so I couldn't really think of a title, and you suggested it.

So I thought... I just assume that's what everyone is saying.

The Cheese Stands Alone is a phrase from the final verse of a children's nursery rhyme and game. Oh, the farmer in the dell, the cheese stands alone. Yes.

Okay. Okay. I endorse.

It's cute. That's why maybe I know it now more than ever. Maybe Ben's been singing it in his nursery roundup.

In his roundup. Perhaps. That's beautiful. I thought it was going to be like something stupid from TikTok. That's actually really sweet. I endorse our title from the other day.

You think so little of me, sweet sister. And once again, the cheese stands alone. Imagine if we made the title The Cheese Stand Alone, again. The Cheese Stand Alone Part Two.

I'd be down if we didn't have the perfect title.

The Accidental Matriol.

That Actually, the accent on the Mink Shox is what this show should be called.

1,000 %. If we ever rebrand, somebody write that down. That's the title.

But I also like it for a memoir.

Or it sounds like a book that gets turned into a movie.

It sounds like a really great book.

And then a multimillion dollar lawsuit. Oh, I saw TikTok today, so I was telling Jackie before.

Oh, we can do this story next. Oh, okay. About Justin Baldoni.

I feel like I've been doing a lot of research on Baldoni v. Lively, and I know people are over it. I mean, that's just not going to work for me because I feel like I've fallen on the sword of Blake Lively. And up until recently, they've been laying dormant, and I wasn't 100% sure if I was right. And I was like, going to stop talking about it because I feel like maybe I went too far and I would have had to backtrack. And I just want to say, prepare to be sick of me. I am now sure more than ever that I'm team Blake Lively. I just want to say that.

So a voicemail was unsealed- Oh, corny. From Blake to Justin Maldoni before making it ends with us. In the voice message- She's got some real nerve leaving minutes long voice memo for a coworker.

It's inappropriate. She She is insufferable.

Sent on February 8, 2023. She spoke openly about feeling overwhelmed as she prepared to return to work while juggling back-to-back projects and newborn and family obligations. She said, I'm talking to you as a friend at this point more than anything. She explained that she was already committed to filming another project first despite feeling physically and emotionally stretched thin. She said, The only reason that I'm doing that movie before is because I gave them my word and I wouldn't go back on that. But having a week off in between, it's just a lot. She described the stress of returning to work without adequate childcare support I still don't have a baby nurse, she said, adding the idea of going back to work so soon felt overwhelming.

Literally me on the massinger.

Literally me today.

Like, literally. Like, actually relatable. I don't know why the fuck she's telling this to her, like soon to be boss.

Yeah, she said, Shooting in April, shooting in March. It's just too soon after having a baby and not sleeping and wanting to be in my best shape. This is literally me. You guys. Is this play about us.

Please. I like that.

Obviously, she said, There's selfish reasons. I'm telling you this. If by chance you're like, Oh, my God, if I could go two weeks earlier, that would actually be great than amazing.

Oh, this is sad. Yeah.

Wait, what's cringe about this?

Just her voice. Everything that she releases, her text. She is just a corny millennial woman, so she's like, the way she speaks is very chewgy and corny. But the message is actually... It sounds like an earnest play.

She said, This is my social interaction these days, just talking into voice memos. So now you're making- This is the voice memo of a sad, desperate woman. But this is why we need the patriarchy because this woman shouldn't be working- A thousand %.

So soon after having her- Although she's not a woman who needs to work. So this is like...

If she didn't feel the societal pressure to work because what? She doesn't do a movie because she had a baby and then she's put out to pasture because she didn't get on the circuit and everyone forgets about her.

This is the pressure on women. No, it's a tale as old as time. And no matter what industry you're in, you're getting passed up for shit because you took three days off to nurse your baby.

If you take too long off, we can't even take a longer maternity because everyone will move on. No, it's so true.

I find another pop culture podcast that they love.

The thing is, that is true.

Yeah, it is. And it's not people's fault. They got to live. They got to listen to podcast. No, it's terrible. We'll be bleeding here. And then we also get accused of taking too long. I can't. So I actually quite deeply relate to Blake in this voice memo. It is just, I think the shock value is really still not wearing off for people. Like with reading Taylor's text messages, these are things Why would we ever expect to hear a mega celebrity's voice memo? It's just crazy.

And the point of the voice memo, we said- It's for it to disappear. And it's like, Oh, your text could end up in court. Let's send voice memos.

But I thought they disappear.

And he obviously kept it. And And?

Nefarious people who keep voice memos are not your friend.

Voice memos? I know. When someone keeps my voice memo, I'm like, Why? I didn't even say anything.

So I really, I'm going to call out someone by name. Remi Bader keeps all my voice memos, and I just voice memo her because we're gossiping and stuff. And I'm like, why do you keep keeping them? She's like, it's like a setting. I don't know how to turn off. Oh, I feel like Shannon keeps them. So I think it's a setting. And Shannon, Remi, turn it off.

Because I'm just like, was that so interesting?

Did you want to ever hear it again? I used to send them a lot when I was breastfeeding because I only had one hand. Yeah. And it's like, I'm just gossiping, but stop.

No, sometimes I'm just explaining something. It's actually more boring. That's why it needs to be explained. It's actually not like ratata. Ratata. I can do ratata over talk to text.

Oh, I can ratata with the best of them.

But I can't do talk to text when I have some boring nuance things to say. That's when I do my voice memo. They're not even that interesting. So why are you keeping it? Do you ever want to listen to it again?

I think there is a setting that automatically keeps them.

I'll give Shad and Grace.

Yeah, I'll give Remi Grace, but I think Justin Baldon in keeping them is nefarious.

Yeah. So also what I was going to say is sometimes you put the worst in the voice note because you think that... It'll disappear. It will disappear. When you don't want to put something in writing, you say it. But now knowing Yeah.

I think we're all moving differently technologically ever since this lawsuit and all the evidence has started to come out.

Yeah. I'll be meeting you in person if you want to talk.

Yes. If I have something crazy to say, let's go off the grid.

Yeah. You can come down to Florida. Yeah. And we'll take a drive. And we can talk about it.

So a lot of evidence that has... It's so funny because so much documents were released that everything is still very slowly being unsealed. And not unsealed, but made public. And I think we talked a lot last week about the cut of the movie, right? Like, Sony, why were there two? And so it's now been confirmed via documents that Justin Baltoni's contract with Sony, there was always going to be a bake-off. He did not get final cut of the movie. Sony was worried about giving this huge budget. They gave him $25 million.

Did they call it a bake-off?

It's called the bake-off. That's what it is. I was When there are multiple edits of a film and then the best tested one moves forward. This whole time, it's been alleged that Blake stole the movie and she made her own cut, like going rogue with Ben Affleck. Well, no. Justin Baldoni never had final cut of the movie. His contract with Wayfarer is now public. He never had final cut. There was always going to be a bake-off. He was able to put forth his own final version. Then they were agreed upon... They were going to do the testing, and then they were agreed upon categories. There was under 35, women 18 year and older. There were There were two key categories that he had to win in the bake-off to get his cut made, and he lost both of them, fair and square, to Blake Lively. Blake Lively's cut is Sony's cut. So Sony gets a cut, and Justin Baldon gets a cut. I'm not 100% sure why Sony's cut, they went to Blake Lively, but they did. Colleen Hoover endorsed it.

Wait, and all this time we thought Justin's cut went, but Blake's went to theater. Well, actually, we thought Justin's Cut went and Justin's went to theater. Now it turns out.

No, we thought. But up until last week, we thought that his was better, but Sony went with hers. Why? No, hers was better in the two key categories that before all this drama, Justin signed his contract saying, Yes, I will win these two categories if my Cut. It makes sense because Justin was this green director. They gave him the budget. You know what? Say what you want about Blake Live. Her cut went on to make $350 million. Colleen Hoover said she thought it was better. It told the story better. Colleen Hoover also, there are emails coming out now that she was having problems with Justin before Blake was even cast. He cut her out when she sold the rights to whoever it was, Sony. She had said she had been burned in the by some of her works, them cutting her out. And so she wanted to be more involved. There's an email of her just pleading, being like, I'd like to be more involved in the scriptwriting process. And Justin totally cut her out and was holding events with fans to work on the script. Excuse? And he invited Colleen but told her not to speak.

Isn't that weird? That is weird. Silencing women.

Just write the script. Yeah, right. Just write the script. And also it's based on a book. It's pretty much written for you.

So I think Coleen endorsing Sony/Blake's version and then Blake winning. It was a no-brainer. Yeah. But so a lot of misinformation when it comes to the cut, and I'll acknowledge that I also was misinformed.

Yeah, but that's all good to know.

Very interesting.

So the whole thing is that- It's less of a stolen movie. It's more of that she wanted. Right.

And I think Justin really needs to legally prove that Blake stole the movie because if that's the case, then he wouldn't have been capable of harassing her because she was not his subordinate. And that's what his counter suit was about, but it got thrown out. So he really needs to prove that Blake stole the movie legally in order to be free of any alleged harassment because you can't harass someone who's not... It's not harassment in the workplace if it's not your subordinate. Well, that's not true. I think that's what the legal claim he's taking is.

You could harass your boss.

A thousand %.

Okay.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Thank you for that. I feel like we're getting closer to clarity.

Yeah. And the lawsuit hasn't even started yet. I was teetering. I wasn't 100% sure if I was right about public lav. And I was like, Have I made a grave error? And that's why I did stop talking about it. For two days? No, no, no. We took over the summer. Because there's been a huge break.

I thought you meant since last week.

No. And then since last week, I've been feeling more like, I really don't think Justin Baldon is this big victim that everyone, all these people think he is. I think he was a freak. There's so many women on record. I feel like that whole thing is getting pushed aside, all the women on record. His former podcast host needed to interview her. She is the most interesting woman in the world to What did she say? Remember, she just quit being toxic masculinity.

Yeah, but I thought she quit when he was getting canceled. She supported him for years.

Right. So is it just like you couldn't take the heat or do you have something to say? Liz Plank.

Okay. For me, he was giving weaning energy. Yeah. But it could be giving victim energy. Right.

So there's the young Lily, who's actress's name I can never remember. I'm so sorry. Of course, Blake Lively, Jenny Slate, the podcast host. Coleen, saying that she was being silenced. Yeah, I'm feeling I'm more sure than ever. I'm ready to be the villain of this story. I'm not team Justin Baldon. I stand firmly. Like, prepare to be sick of me. I've done the research and I'm- Accidental matriarch. Yeah. Look at me.

Accidental. Yeah.

I just think it's been so easy to Blake Lively. Sure, she's annoying. That being the headline, she's a weaning, she's insufferable, she talks weird, her and Taylor Swift took down. Yeah, whatever. Our next story- She didn't sexually harass anyone, okay.

Netflix's new dating show, Age of Attraction, keeps participants' real age under wraps. The trailer just dropped for a new Netflix show called Age of Attraction that is hosted by nick Vial and Natalie Joy Vial because they have an age gap.

They have a crazy age gap. They have a crazy age gap. What's the difference?

It's an 18-year age gap, but it just feels so much smaller because he- Because he's a podcaster, so he's in a young man's game, and he looks young. He seems younger and she seems older.

She's like a mother already. She was a mother very young, but it's still so crazy.

Yeah. So they're the perfect for this show. They are. That's called Age of Attraction. So it's a bunch of people aged 22 to 59, and they rotate, date each other and fall in love, and then they don't find out each other's ages until the end.

It's giving season one of Love is Blind. It sounds like an amazing idea.

I just want to say it's weird because you have eyes.

Well, yes.

You might not know someone's exact age, but you can see if they are older or younger.

Do you know who would have been on this show?

Who?

Jessica and Mark.

Oh, yeah.

From Love is Blind. Because they were two people who couldn't get past age, and I think sometimes that does happen.

But they were so similar in age. How different was it? Four years? There's this one couple that the trailer focuses on where he's clearly younger and she's clearly older. And then like, there. And she was like, typically, if I had met you, I would have set you up with my daughter. Do you watch a trailer?

No.

And then at the end, it's like we're going to share each other's ages. But it's like we have eyes.

You are much older than him. What are the age gaps again?

22 all the way to 59.

Yeah, I don't love a 22-year-old girl being with a 59-year-old man. There is an element of ick here.

But everyone has eyes is what I'm saying. You could see that someone's older or younger. You might be able to guess their exact age.

But within what? Five years, you think you'd be able to guess?

Five to 10. If you're in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, it's not that- Crazy.

It's not blind.

And then at the end, they're going to say their age. And how different could your age be from what you really are?

Well, let's see. Maybe they cast people. Maybe that's what the casting director was looking for people who really don't look their age. There are people like that. When I went to the dermatologist to get my Botox, I was like, How old are you? She looked amazing. She was an amazing advertisement for herself because she was 44. I'm like, You look my age.

That was me when I was at the restaurant. They said I looked 18.

Where? When was that?

You were there.

I don't remember.

I was talking about it, but I chalk it up to the pads.

What restaurant were we at?

The Club. We were in the Club. You're at the Club. I don't remember. We were in the club. It was a few weeks ago.

Oh, you remember something from a few weeks ago?

No, no. And it was for me.

I believe you.

And that's what they said. Yeah. And whenever people see me, they think I'm very young. Yeah.

I think actually that is true.

Yeah.

I do have a youth about me. You do have your fair skin, your light hair. Definitely people think I'm always older than you.

People think I'm younger than I am.

You're also, not here, of course, but out in the world. You're not shy, but quieter. So that also, people are thinking, She's shy. She's young.

Just like a little girl.

You're giving little girl.

A hundred %.

Little girl, accidental matriarch.

But the show is going to be great in terms of reality TV. I'm imagining there's a big twist because so there's- Yes, there has to be. This guy has to be literally 22 years old, but I'm glad that that's the minimum.

You know who they would have cast back in the day? Taylor Hicks. Remember the guy who went American Idol who was 22 and had a full head of gray hair? People like that. I'm sure the casting team... This was an important show in terms of casting. I think they probably spent a long time looking for certain people. Yeah.

For old people who look younger and young people who look older. So everyone thinks they're similar in age, but then they're not. I think that it's a good premise, though, because I think if you can relate on things and then you find out each other's age, well, it's like we already related. Age isn't as big of a thing as looks. Unless- Right.

It's pretty big.

Really?

Sometimes you really like someone, but their age is just like- Well, Unless it's about then kids and stuff.

If that person, the younger person wants kids- Or you're divorced, and you don't want to marry someone who's already been married. But that's something that would come up in the conversations of falling in love, your history and stuff. But just the lifestyle of wanting kids if you're with an older woman, and That's just not going to be a possibility.

Actually, I watched a clip of Claire Daines.

Because we live in a patriarchy.

Okay, but the patriarchy is not God's fault.

Yeah, it's biology. It's not really... They didn't make it this way.

Yeah, right. It's not the patriarchy's fault, not to defend the The patriarchy.

Then maybe the patriarchy is a function of the biology and the biological fact that women- It's based on science.

Women have a hard stop. Yeah. Well, Claire Daines, actually, I saw a clip of her on Good Hang with Amy Poehler talking about something so interesting that she got pregnant at 44, and she was like, I had no idea. Her kids were 12 years old already. She had to do multiple rounds of IVF for her most recent pregnancy, and she was 44. She was like, she had no idea that she could get pregnant. She was freaking out when she got pregnant. Obviously, you know.

But she was doing IVF?

No. So with her previous pregnancies, she had to do IVF. So she was like, There's no way. I'm 44. I had the hardest time. And then she got pregnant. Just a crazy story. Look at that. Woman.

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Thank you. Special turt. Thank you. Our next story, Trader's Recap. Lisa Rinna breaks down... Oh, spoilers. Breaks down in tears on the traitors over her difficult exit from Real House's Beverly Hills. Yeah, that was a weird line. That was learning.

It was a very weird exit, but I feel like up until recently, I've been watching the episodes and then going on social media, and I'm pretty much agreeing with everyone. I thought everyone was going to be like, Hating on Michael for what he said to Colton. But no, Michael was valid and everything he said and honestly, justice for Michael. So so far my takes with everyone had been pretty on par with the fans. But I'm really shocked at how many people are mad at Rob for last night.

I'm mad Rob.

I'm not.

I am because- I'm sorry.

Lisa was a liability.

Yeah, Lisa wasn't a great traitor.

And I have to imagine it was even worse in person. She really was awful.

But he never said that. He never said she's a bad trader. She's a liability. That's why she needs to go because she's giving up the secret. He exacerbated a seed that Colton had planted and let it grow. He didn't back his fellow trader. I guess eventually the traders do turn on each other because you want to win, and you want to win with the least amount of people as possible. But the less traders there are, the more the chance the faithfuls have.

But also a really effective way to keep the smoke off of you is to lead a charge against a fellow trader. It sucks. But look, Candice was being So obviously, Team Lisa. And the second the roundtable ended, everyone started saying Candice's name for the first time ever.

No, but Rob said it.

No, someone else said it.

Robin Colton.

Someone else said it, and Rob substantiated it, but he did not say it first.

But he could have easily said a housewife wouldn't vote for a housewife. He could have. That's literally why Colton went for Lisa because she voted for Portia.

It was very smart of Candice to vote for Rob because she was in a bad spot and she could have just done a throw away. But if Candice does get found out as a traitor, they'll be like, Well, who was Candice targeting?

But why would she think she was targeting a fellow traitor? Oh, true. I actually don't think it was smart that Candice voted for Rob because now Rob knows that it's war, whereas he could And now when she goes, she has to whip up Johnny and everyone to be against Rob, whereas she could have been doing that in secret, and Rob would have no idea.

Do you feel like the show is becoming a little unfair gender-wise? The six people who won the challenge, it was five men. Oh, yes. And Natalie, who's a very fit survivor.

Yes, she won survivor. I thought the same thing that the women didn't have... They don't get a chance to get the dagger or the shield.

I think the challenges should be a little bit...

More intellectual.

A combination of both physical and... Donna Kelsey never stood a chance. She couldn't have done Last Night's Challenge. I do think they need to become a little bit more like an escape room. Dorinda would be good at that. I think it's becoming a little bit unfair, and that was such a physical challenge. Of course, you have a former NFL player. It was Steven Kaletty, all the guys. And then they have this boys club with Natalie, where they're sharing secrets. I don't know. It's becoming a little unfair. I do think that they should spice it up a little bit where it's maybe a puzzle.

I agree with you. And on the one hand, it's like, oh, maybe this is a Special Forces type where it's like, well, you don't come on the show if you're not- It's not.

It's a personality game.

It is a mind game. So I agree that that's not fair. And I felt the same way. And I also feel like it's unfair. They have this boys group going where Mark and not Steven. Steven has a mind of his Yeah, he does. Mark is a follower. Mark is such a follower. You know what?

Johnny Weer is a free thinker. He just has bad thoughts.

But I like it. But I don't consider him in that group.

No, but everyone who said that they were going for Natalie, literally not one of them voted for Natalie.

Because Rina didn't do a good job at the roundtable. Rina was bad. We need to talk about Rina because I actually was sad to see her go. I was sad to see her voted out. Me too. And I didn't expect that because that's the point of the game, to get the traitors. And she wasn't even being a good trader. But to go out like that was just sad. She comes in so hot. She talks such a big game.

She did that after people were on to her. She flipped the switch so obviously. Colton pointed out that she was being quiet to everyone, so she started being loud. That's the most obvious thing. She should have stayed in her... It could not have been more obvious. Oh, and we need to talk about Jam Jam.

Wait, we need to... No, but I just was going to say that she talks like such a... I'm Lisa fucking Rina. I'll be the best traitor because I'm an actress in this, and I'm a housewife. If you don't survive housewives and can't survive the Roundtable, she literally dug her own grave at the roundtable by giving nothing. People were prepared to vote for Natalie, and she did not defend herself in any compelling way.

She was being so obvious, coming for Natalie. I'm only coming for you because you're coming for me. It was so like...

No, and she actually had something good to go on, which is that Natalie slipped up. Tara heard it. That's something tangible. And she was not compelling at all. And it's just a case of who can speak better. And you are a housewife, and you're one of the most iconic ones. And you were taken down by Colton and Natalie and Rob.

To be fair, I do not blame Rob for not backing Lisa. I do believe she was a liability.

It's not that he didn't back her, and he could have done it in a- He could have went harder.

He could have used his double dagger.

No. But Colton had an idea of something, and Rob really confirmed it, and the two of them went hard. And towards the end, everyone at the table respects Rob. He could have said less, and he went hard for Lisa. It's not that he didn't back her. It's that he went for her.

I actually just don't blame him.

He needed her out. Last week when he voted for her, I completely understood. He had no choice, and it looks better for the traitors if he votes for her, and it confuses everyone. This week, he gunned for her. She might have actually not been sent home, if not for him. He is the most popular person in the house, more so than Colton. He's doing Colton's bidding. I am so excited for Colton to realize that he's been the traitor hunter.

Colton thinks he's like, I got a house. First of all, Rob did. And he thinks he's like, so...

No, but no, no, no. And no one's getting played like a fiddle more. That was Colton's She figured it out first, but she only went home because of Rob.

Like you said, he's the most popular guy in the house. When he finds out that he thinks he's running this and he's the biggest loser here, I can't wait.

I can't wait for that to happen. And the person that he confides in the most is the traitor. And they will have to turn on each other.

And the funny thing is that people now think what Rob is doing, Colton is actually doing. They think Colton is maybe a traitor who turned on Lisa. And they were going at it for a while, and that was actually a good Mary, that's actually a good theory for someone to think. And it's hilarious because it's Colton's best friend.

Yeah.

So let's talk about Jam Jam and the Air Kiss. Yeah. First of all, the drama. He's getting pulled away like he's in a psych ward.

It's Lisa, it's Lisa. I just want to say, you can really tell that the experiment has gotten to these people. The fact that Natalie was... She was like, I was scared for my life. I was so scared.

Oh my God. Natalie was being crazy.

Like, oh my God. You're just going to be taken off the reality show.

And back to your family. You're fine. She was being nutty.

They were really acting like they're going to die.

Yeah, it must be. And I've heard now, you told me that before the roundtable, it's two minutes of silence. They play spooky music. It's definitely more than I thought it was. I thought it was just like, Reality Stars getting together.

No, they do it. It's an immersive mindfuck.

It's an immersive experience.

Yeah, where they actually think they're going to die if they don't get the antidote.

So when Jam Jam was being taken away by the guards and like, he said, It's Lisa. Oh my God. Me and Ben could not stop laughing. Like, the level of drama. And it's interesting that he was right. It is Lisa, but they were completely wrong about how the murder in plain sight happened.

Yes. And I just want to say, I don't think it's fair that he was taken away like that and that he got to speak and say who killed him.

I don't agree.

Like, it's not to the rules of the game.

Yeah, but the thing is, is that it's the same way at a roundtable. Because the thing is, he was wrong. It was Lisa, yes, but not in the way that he thought it was. So it's completely fair to... I actually don't agree.

But what if he was right? And he figured it out.

I don't agree. I think it's fine that he was able to. It added such a fucking funny level of drama.

It was funny, but it's like, usually the dead can't speak. You kill someone successfully, they wouldn't be able to speak. Come back from the dead and tell you who did it.

I guess. Maybe, but I'm not I'm sad about it.

I don't know. I felt defensive of Lisa. I felt like it just didn't feel- Well, I wanted her to do better.

I thought the show was like- I wasn't...

No, but the thing is you were loving her as a traitor. You thought she was like, you're having your renaissance. I didn't even feel that way. But just the way she went out just felt wrong to me. I can't explain it. I didn't feel good. Like, we got our- It wasn't prideful either. I didn't be like, You got yourself a traitor.

Yeah. The thing I was having a renaissance, and honestly, it was Colton who pointed out, what I liked about Lisa was that she wasn't being Lisa. That isn't who she is, so she wasn't being a good traitor. I do think Candice is being an amazing traitor, and I had very low expectations of her. It's tough to be a traitor and a housewife with another traitor. So yes, you could say that she only didn't vote for Lisa because she is also a housewife, and she has maintained that she didn't vote for Portia, thank God. But it's starting to get a little suspicious. Now her name's being thrown around.

Everyone's name's. If your name's not being thrown-Yeah, I guess Johnny and Tara's names haven't been thrown around. If your name's not being thrown around, you're not in the game.

Yeah, Johnny and Tara.

Yeah. Maybe their alliance will... Yeah, Mark. Mark is a disappointment.

Although I didn't necessarily agree with Lisa's choice to kill Jam Jam. It felt really random.

Yeah.

And yes, he's... I didn't think he was- She should have killed one of Colton's cronies to take away votes from the Colton blog.

Yes.

Without directly going for Colton, like a Dorinda or- Like a Mark.

Mark does what Colton says, even if he thinks he's singing for himself.

Yeah, yeah.

They need to take away from that just boy coalition. Yes. Because it's getting really strong between Rob and Colton. And then they have Mark. They're turning on Steven, obviously a mistake. Steven's just guilty of being a good guy.

Yeah, really sweet. I actually really like him. Yeah. I think that, I don't know, I'm not mad at Rob Because I felt it like Lisa... Every time Lisa was accused, she could not have handled it where she started giggling. Why don't you just tell everyone you're a traitor? So bad. And at some point, yes, it's like, Traitor strong, but you got to look out for number one. And I feel like she was increasingly becoming a liability. And the only way for him to successfully navigate it. He doesn't have the housewife thing that he can say it and vote for Lisa because of that.

No, he could vote for Lisa. I have no problem with him voting for Lisa. Last week, this week, at a certain point in the episode, he led the charge.

Yeah, in an underhanded way.

Yeah. And that, to me, that's beyond being a traitor because your loyalty is to the traders. I guess up until a point, but I just felt like we weren't at that point yet.

At that point, yeah.

No, he definitely escalated. It felt really premature to bust up the traders. Yes. Now we're in a trader's war And there's still 10 people left.

I don't think I agree.

Yeah, and they're not going to win then.

They're not going to figure it out either. They were far from figuring it out. This does make it messier. Yeah. But it also makes it really hard to hunt traitors if the traitors are fighting with the traitors. So it is also a good- Yeah, because you could argue anything.

Oh, they voted for them because they know they're a traitor that owns a fellow traitor, or they're a traitor who wants to kill a faithful. So you have to just be the most compelling argumenter. Yes. That's what it is.

And Lisa was really not. She was bad.

And I feel like she's so I feel like for a lot of the housewives, except for Candice, because Candice is able to hang with the people. She's a real girls girl. She's one of them. She becomes friends with everyone. But Lisa Rin is like an entity, and it's like she's not going to ever be everyone's best friend because she's just iconic and not interested.

She's not going to be like a down low hanging out, chilling girl.

Like Robin the Guys and Candice and the Girls. She was in a a tough spot.

Even if she was- It's like Donna Kelsey.

Even if she was a faithful, I don't know how she would have acted.

Actually, I think she would have been very housewife because it's easy to be a faithful. You don't have this chip on your shoulder. So I think she would have been a more housewives coded version of herself.

Yeah, I think that's Rob- And Rob saying, Maybe it's a turret full of housewives.

That was brilliant. Yeah.

Hopefully, they I'm going to go for Dorinda next. And then get it wrong.

No, it sucks. First of all, Dorinda voting for Maura and spelling her name Miayra.

She spelled it like M-E-M-O-R-A.

There was an E in there. Okay. M-o-e-r-a.

It's funny how they spell each Hilarious.

Maura is giving nothing. I actually appreciated Dorinda being like, You just come here and you are such a follower, and you say nothing, you do nothing. Yeah, Maura is not a traitor, but she sucks. Sorry, I liked that Dorinda came for her.

I agree. And she's just another one in the Colton Rob voting block. She's like a mark. And all she has going for at this point is the potential of falling in love with Rob. And then Robin having to turn on his lady love and his best friend. I can't fucking wait.

Yeah. So also that rumor that we heard that Rob and Candice aren't speaking, it does seem like they don't come back together. So when they get in the turret, I was really curious to see them talking. That's where they cut off the episode. But that will be weird.

Yeah. And it's like Rob is playing a really good game. He's a really good trader, and he's turning on everyone. But it's at a point giving psychopath.

Yeah. It seems like Lisa Rinna did not watch one episode of this show before coming on, and Rob maybe watched every single one of them a little too closely. He came in. He is so smart about this one thing.

It's weird. And that he was able to guess who had the dagger.

Oh, my God. That was insane. Okay, so I was following his line of thinking, and I was like, well, it's obviously Steven because Steven picked up the plank and then shook his head. No. And it's like, okay, well, only a liar would do that. It was such a weird- Steven is an honest man. It's true, actually. That was sociopathic.

I'm telling you. And so, yes, he's playing a good game, but at what cost? Like, great, you're the best liar.

So the thing is, it's also really interesting, the varying levels of Fame of all these people, because the pot, I think last season was around $250,000 is where they ended up. And for someone like Tiffany, she was saying, I'm a single mom. She won one show once. She's not a celebrity. The money actually means more to people than others. And I think Lisa Rennev, it was $250,000, and she split it with everyone. Great, but whatever. But I think for someone like Rob, who his time is a little bit past in terms of celebrity, he definitely He still makes a nice living, but he lives on his farm, and he's not out here being a celebrity, even though now he's so huge. I saw him in the Sonic commercial. Did you say about.

No, I was going to say, I don't think Rob falls into that category. He was on Love Island, the most popular season two years ago. I think he gets Brandales up the wazoo and lives a quiet life. Well, he does live a quiet life. So I don't think he needs that much. He's Instagram. But I think he's an Instagram thought.

But I think the money, it's not really a level playing field for everyone.

Eric- I would think Colton needs the money more than Rob.

I don't know. I Every time I open my TikTok, there's a first ad for Nanit from Colton Underwood. What? It's insane. Okay, Rob has 1. 6 million followers.

And they're fresh.

Yeah. And also I'm going to go down to before traders. So this is November. Okay, wait, 2024.

Yeah, that's before. Oh, he doesn't post a lot. He never posts. And he has 1. 6 million followers.

Oh, Celsius partner in October. Oh, my God. Everything is an ad. Arby's. Arby's. Yeah. T-mobile, every single post is an ad. Real Zacks Chilli's. I know that. Hey, dude. I'm at every single... I'm not even scrolling. Chilli's, Skinny Dipped, Organic Post, Organic Post. Organic Post. Okay.

At 1. 6 million followers.

Real Zacksby's. Meundies, I'm not skipping. Me, Undies, I'm not skipping. Tiktok, I'm not skipping. Organic Post, Revolve, Organic Post, POPPY, Revolve, Organic Post, Tinder. Wow, so many ads. No, you're right. So he doesn't fall into the category.

No.

He's so cute, by the way. I just like, I love him.

Yeah, no, he's really cute and I like him, but I didn't like it. I can't...

I just run me the wrong- I didn't hate it. Lisa, at some point, it's I just want to say the whole episode was so overhyped, like the banquet.

Oh, beyond. When you hear banquet, what?

So we got... That was just marketing. I thought it was like... I thought Alan was being real with us, and he's just being a...

A marketer.

No, like a corporate cog.

That was insane. It was good.

It was interesting.

I thought last week was better. I thought the Michael Colton episode was better.

No, but the pulling Gem, Gem, the way I was cracking up. I get what... That was completely overhyped. Fifth and final.

Fifth and final was Tell Me Lies recap.

Okay. So much TV I watched last night. Thank God. Such a good episode. First of all, they didn't do any wedding flashbacks. It was just an episode about people in college, and I was enjoying it. I loved the Wrigley. She's a very good actress. So pathetic. The whole mom thing. I didn't where it was going, but it seemed like fine. But the drinking was like, Is this bad?

No, it was definitely imperfect. And maybe she's setting herself up for disappointment, but it was more so about Wrigley being there for her.

Now I need to go back and watch the wedding. Is her mom there?

Oh, I don't know.

I love Wrigley. I just couldn't love him anymore. When are him and Pippa going to break up? And he did so right by Pippa. He didn't kiss.

No, and Pippa wouldn't give a fuck. No, I know.

But as far as he knows- No, he's not been a bad guy.

He's been He's very loyal. He comes and picks Pippa, but he's kissing her. And Pippa can't dump him because he's going through a lot.

The Chris thing at that pool party gave me a chill down my side. Yeah. I was like, Who the fuck is that? No, and he's like, Why are you saying that I rigged you? It's a valid question, except the fact that we know that he does this.

Right. He also... So, yes, he didn't do that, but he doesn't recognize that he does that to other people.

Yeah. Which it's crazy. Yeah. And Pippa gives me a pit. The whole show is so pit. They should call it Tell Me Pit. Give Me Pit. It is so pit-inducing. What else happened in the episode?

Diana, my queen. I'm disappointed in her because she's putting a target on her back. Steven sent those photos. I can't imagine that a law school is going to get someone's nude photos from their ex-boyfriend and then kick them out of school for what?

I don't know. You have to remember, it's 2000 and something. Things like that did happen.

No, but it's not 1950. No, I know. But what would be her crime? Unless he sent it from her email where it's like, Hey, guys.

I mean, and then she says, Hey, that wasn't me. And they'd be like, Clearly, because only a crazy person would do that. I don't know. I don't know what the angle is. Is it just that if you're a lawyer, you can't have nude photos?

Who did he send it to?

I would assume like, admissions.

I would assume admissions everywhere except Yale, so that she has to go there.

He is just the devil.

Yeah.

And do we assume she went through with the procedure? Yes.

Okay. Yes. She thought maybe that was a part of it.

She was cramping Oh, yeah, but she just said that.

No, but it was like the reason plot-wise for the pregnancy was for her to be in student orbit again. Yeah. And make them entangled.

Once more. Yeah, I saw people saying it was like a bad episode. Not a lot happened, but I enjoyed it.

Yeah, it's a great show.

Oh, Lucy, like, tried to have sex just the regular way, and it's clearly not enough for her. So yes, things are escalating and you are 100% right. She's engaging in harmful behavior, and it's not enough. So she's harming herself verbally. It's just a matter of time before she harms herself physically.

Yeah, but especially because that guy now looks at her differently because he thinks that she has trauma, and that's why she's doing all this. Right.

And he was like, Oh, I thought we were just having fun, but this is giving dark. So he won't do it anymore.

Yeah, she turned out to be a sweetie.

It turns out that'll be the last we see of him because she's not going back.

Yeah. And so now she's engaging in dark behavior. Yeah.

Which is not good.

And self-harmed.

And it seems like in the future at the wedding, she's still not healed.

No.

And that's upsetting.

Yeah. She's the same at the wedding. Yeah.

And that's tough to see.

I can't believe last season she had sex with Steven at the wedding.

Yeah. And Steven's the same, too. He's still like, he's looking through Wrigley's phone.

Maybe they are perfect for each other.

I wonder why Wrigley and Bri don't end up together. Like, yes, it's complicated in college. I'm sure Pippa and him break up. So at some point.

Yeah. And Pippa knows that he loves Bri. Oh, does he? Yeah. She said, like when they were dancing on the dance floor, Pippa Wrigley, and they were talking openly about it.

So it must be that Bri... I mean, I think when, you know, Bre's childhood being like, dramatic, there's a lot of stability with Evan. He really loves her. He's very financially stable. And I think when you grow up, like foster home to foster home. You crave that. So yes, love wins, but not all the time. Sometimes stability wins.

Yeah. Something obviously happens between the two of them where she feels like she has to make that choice. I like Evan. Also, Steven brought, I love Evan.

I fucking hate Molly.

I know. And it's like that exchange was really sad.

But you know what? Valid on Evan's part. I said a hundred times that this is just casual sex, which is awful, but she agreed to it.

Right. And when they were playing pool and Wrigley was like, Well, did you ghost her? Did you tell her that it's over? And he was like, I never told her that it started. I know Wrigley is the feminist voice of the men, but I don't think Evan... And I can imagine that it's just such a shitty feeling for Molly, but he said what he said. When people tell you who they are, believe me.

Yeah, he's been harsh, but honest.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And when he said to Bre, I would stop talking to her in one second. He told me, too.

I need Evan to get on Wrigley's level when it comes to Steven. Why does Steven have this hold? He gets to walk through his apartment and leave the dishes, and he paid for the sister's school.

Well, that was because Evan slept with Lucy, but now they're even. Right.

So he needs to stop hanging out.

They're each other's friends. It's last semester of senior year. These are your friends. What are you going to make new friends? Yeah. But no. Yeah. And he also, I think Steven does roll off his shoulder a little bit now, too. He knows that he doesn't have the power over him. He doesn't... He's not beholden to Steven. Yeah. But he's starting to put pieces together about Lucy and Evan. But I do think she'll... Well, she already knows because at the wedding, she got the voicemail. She seemed hurt but not surprised.

Yeah. And at some point, you just got to let it go. Yeah. Like, it's fine.

Yeah. And it's like she She likes Evan, but she doesn't love him deeply. Right.

So it's not going to be heartbroken. This is a marriage of convenience at this point. He really wants to be with Bre. So you know what? Be with Bre. Yeah. Let's step into Queenie and Weanie, our final segment of the week, where Jackie and I deliver two awards, Queenie of the Week and Weanie of the Week. It comes as no surprise. Let's just say together who our queen is on the count of three. One, two, three. Queen Corgi. Do we have the same weanie?

Who's your weanie?

Picasso for beating me. I couldn't say that. I have to say it now. I said to Ben, I'm like, I have to think of my queen in weaning. This morning, I was like, I'm thinking of doing Pug Casa, and he goes, Who's Pug Casa? I said, Are you fucking serious? And he was like, Oh, yeah, I know.

No, I actually I like Pug Casa. My weaning would be the audience members who voted for Pug Casa over Queenie because Pug Caso didn't do anything wrong. He was being himself. He was singing his best with his fantastic costume. But the audience members who didn't see true talent. And I feel like that win for you, you needed that win, mentally and emotionally.

And they hurt you. And I didn't get it.

They hurt Yeah. So I blame them for everything.

I actually have a really funny story about me losing. I'll share it on the page. It's so funny. Okay.

We're about to record that. So this is actually a great segue for us to sit right here and continue our conversation. Yes.

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