Transcript of Say Less Bestie: Wednesday, March 4th, 2026

Good morning, girlies. It's The Toast.

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your hosts.

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We'll start your day off swirly, It's The Toast. They sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast, and happy, is it Wednesday? I knew I felt a little something for my sister. Red o'clock. It's Humday. Don't forget to hum someone you love. And speaking with somebody I love, I'm joined today by an iconic queen. We're in a slickback bun. Jacqueline Follet. Hello, Miss Follet.

It's Wednesday. So if you're following my trajectory of hairstyles throughout the Week, which is a very predictable journey. It's a bun day. This is as my hair fades into oiliness.

That's funny. I also have a weekly hair schedule because I usually wash my hair on Sunday.

Start strong Monday.

I try to make it As far into the week as I can before I have to wash it again. And so on day one, I always look like I'm wearing a wig. When I have fresh, blown out Dyson Airwrapped hair, it's giving Shadal. It's giving Religious Woman wearing a wig. And as the days progress, I look more and more like I'm just wearing my own hair.

Oh, that's beautiful. Day one is always very exciting for me. Right now, as I am experiencing a change of hair, and I'm using a lot of serums and oils, my window of hairwashing ratio is smaller than usual. I usually can go from Sunday to Friday. You have Not to brag. Do I have night sweats? Not at the moment, no. Okay.

When I was breastfeeding, they never went away. So I would wake up every day drenched.

Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm okay on that front. But more so I'm using divvy and oil to help grow my hair. So I don't have as much life per wash, per se.

Now, do I look different to you in any way? Maybe a little- Couple of things, couple of things.

You're wearing a new sweater that I really love, and I feel like it should be mine. It's so me.

Oh my God. Okay.

Is that what it was?

No. It comes with matching pants, but it was a little too hot to wear the pants. And yeah, I bought it at J. Crew. I'm like... Actually, sorry. I bought it at J. Crew Factory, which I just learned is Nordstrom Rack. Oh my God. Oh my God. I got three pairs of pants and a matching set. I'm obsessed with J. Crew Factory.

You're the queen of the diffusion stores. Oh, man.

I didn't know there were so many. I knew the O. G. T. J. Max Marshall's Home Good.

Sax Off Fifth.

Okay, so I didn't really realize that Sacks Off Fifth is also one of those, but it's a higher tier. So the pricing is still a little nutty.

In Mark-and- Slass call. Yeah, J.

Crew. Factory. I think you should head over to J. Crew. Factory. You would love it. I'll send you a link for my set. I really love it. What else did you want to point out that it looks different about me today?

I'm going to do a scan.

It's something that you may not be able to see, but more so feel.

Okay. What am I feeling from you?

Are you feeling a sense of maturity and elegance and just well-read?

Yes, I will say yes, because that sweater looks like a sweater of a woman who's mature, elegant, and well-read.

Well, that makes sense because I did read with my partner in bed last night.

How was it? Was it everything we ever dreamed of?

I just have to tell you something. We're still working through it. It was so quiet. I couldn't put the TV on in the background because then I would have just watched TV. No. But it was dead silent.

But that's part of maturation is being comfortable in silence. Aside from the silence. And it's not even silent because you're reading.

It was great. First of all, I actually have not read a full book in probably a year. I've been so bad. But I got a book in the mail from Allison Pataki. Yeah, that's right. We're friends with Allison. Allison Pataki. She wrote The Marvelous...

Magnificent Marjorie Post.

Our favorite book ever. She writes swirly autobiography.

She writes swirly historical fiction books based on real characters, but she adds an element of swirliness so that we can digest it.

She has a new one coming out, and she DMed me. I was like, Can I send it? I was like, Of course. I'm like, This is going to be the thing. Now, when I got the book in the mail yesterday, I was a little disheartened because it looks like- Huge. Enormous. It looks like... Help me. My book. Demon Copperhead. Demon Copperhead. It's as thick as Demon Copperhead, but it's- Without the clout. I'm going to do it. There was a party girl on the cover. It's called It Girl, which is really a great name for anything. It's Giving Gossip Girl. On the cover is a woman, but like, nose down, deckletage. And I said, I could do it. I'm going to do it. And I told you guys last week that I bought Ben a book, and it was supposed to be a Shabbat book, but I said, Let's read. Let's read. Of course, it took a little... He's like, I'm not in the mood. I'm like, Well, no one's in the mood to read. You just have to do it. So we read for, I want to say an hour. It was great. And then when we went to sleep, he was like, Tell me about your book.

And I was like, Tell me. And I understand, based on Ben told me, why you would never recommend this book, but why it's perfect for Ben, because he's telling me that the book is from multiple POVs.

Snitch's least favorite. If you're a redhead, you know that.

And I don't know if Snitch knows that there's a genre of book where one of the POVs is a human and the other is an octupus. So when Ben's saying that one of the book's perspectives is written from the perspective of an octopus and the other is of the person who works in the aquarium where the octopus lives, I was like, Oh, we have to throw the book in the garbage. But Ben, of course, Ben is so connected with Marine Wildlife. I'm like, Oh, my God, I picked the perfect book for my husband. And he was that the octopus really wants to get out of the aquarium. I was like, This is so Ben. He loved it. So A plus to me for picking a book for my husband. It's perfect.

Did the evening go off well? Would you do it again? Would you recommend to a friend? Yes.

And we both fell asleep very quickly. We weren't wound tightly from all the blue screens. We went to bed at 9: 30, just like peaceful adults. So much maturation happening in my bedroom last night. Wow.

I'm really proud of you guys.

The book is great, of course. Oh, good. Yeah, it's really It's very Gilded Age meets almost like Evelyn Hugo.

I'm on my way. Yeah, it's really good. Say less, bestie. I saw a TikTok last night. That was how two Gen Z girls talked to each other. That was cringe.

Gen Z. Okay.

It was like, they just talk.

How do they talk?

Well, yeah. They don't say anything. They're like, No, stop, because same. It was just really funny back and forth. I'm like, I'm enjoying watching this, but it's going to affect how I speak. I never want to speak like that. Say last bestie.

Okay. Say more, Queenie. That's what we say because we encourage dialog here at The Toast.

We do. I really enjoyed the TikTok or the real.

I was going to say, are you watching TikToks in your Tesla?

I watch TikTok to Real Pipeline. Of Of course, of course. I just didn't want it to affect me, but it seems like it has. You're getting smarter. I'm getting stupider.

It's so true. Join me up here. I'm leveling up, everyone. I'm reading.

And I watch Summerhouse. Yikes.

Yeah, I'm taking the moral high ground.

Well, I mean, I finished a book last week, so I'm good for the month. I'm good for the year.

I'm set.

So I was able to watch Summer House last night. I'll do a recap at the end. Nothing crazy. We're still setting the stage. We're still meeting new people. Dara is here. Say hello to Dara. To the TikTokeer. I like Dara. She has a lot of confidence, and she's coming in solo. She's pretty. She's very pretty. But it's crazy to have someone come in solo in the middle of the summer. Why would you do that to someone when other girls got to come with friends in the beginning of the summer?

Maybe production was getting the feeling that something wasn't working, and they just had to throw someone else in there.

I said, What about Dara?

Yeah.

I really like her, but she's just immediately... She's talking to guys, and it's like- Everyone has a Head Start. It's a hard way to come in, but she's very confident. I don't think she's worried about that, but I'm worried about that because I just have Lexie trauma.

And you're like an empath, I'm sensing.

I am an empath, and I have Lexie PTSD, LTSD.

Of course, you're not even an empath, you're a lexpath.

And it's really hard to watch the show without being like, Justice for Lexie at every turn. Everything Jessie does, I'm like, Lexie. What about Lexie? Imagine how Lexie felt.

What else can I tell you?

We celebrated Purim yesterday. Happy Purim to all who's- Oh, Purim Sameya.

To celebrate.

I had about three. Buhaman.

Buhaman. I had about three Hummintoshin. If you know, I love a fucking Hummintoshin.

It's really a short bread cookie.

I will say a lot of the cuisine of my people is not my favorite. It's just a lot of deli meat. I I just don't love Jewish cuisine. Of course, I love a Kashivarnashka, but I would say- That's not an, of course.

I wouldn't say that's guaranteed. Yeah.

For me, our cultural food, to me, is not my favorite.

Which are you speaking? Like Ashkanaz food? Because I- Like all. You don't like Sfard food.

I don't know if you know, I grew up with a really good friend who's Moroccan, so I ate a lot of Moroccan food. Actually, as her, she slayed the house down boots with those meals.

You love meat cigars.

I do love meat cigars.

You love Araya's.

Yeah, but that's Middle Eastern food. I'm talking about cultural Jewish. Yeah, like Second Avenue deli type of. No, it's Ashkanaz.

Ashkanaz. Alicia wouldn't say that's Jewish because she didn't grow up with it.

No, you're right. Ashkanaz Fair.

Yeah, Middle East is Sfardic.

Yeah, okay. Ashkanaz Fair. Okay. You know, gefiltefish. Just not my scene, per se. Although we ate the house down- I love gefiltefish. Boots with those Hummentalchen. Is it short bread? It's like a crumbly little pastry with a jam filling.

It's a short bread cookie.

I love a strawberry Hummentalchen. So fucking And what's funny is you would think chocolate Hummentalchen would be the best, but actually, no, it needs that light fruitiness. You would think that a chocolate Hummentalchen would be the best, but it does need that fruitiness.

Actually, shockingly- The worst Hummentalchen?

Chocolate.

Apricot Humantashin greater than- Humb down. Chocolate Humentaschen. No. Yes, you need that light fruit.

The best, the best. Stay with me. Strawberry. It's three, two, one, strawberry.

There's really strawberry apricot prune. Now people get crazy with it. Prune? I saw a biscoff Humantashin yesterday.

Well, I love when my people get creative, of course. But let's just speak of the traditional flavors.

But you need that light fruitiness.

So, yeah, sometimes you just need a little jam. I love jam, by the way.

I love the final jam.

Did I make my own jam when I had to steam and purée Blueberries for Rubala?

Is that jam? No. So you would think, but no, Blueberry Jam. In order to make jam, you boil, you add lemon, sugar, salt, a bunch of stuff. So it's not an actual Jam. It's just a Blueberry purée.

When I made Blueberry-Puree. Food for Rubala, it looked like as ever with love.

It did, but it didn't taste like it. I've never made jam, even though you would think.

That's definitely next on your list. Olivia makes jam. Yeah.

Once I get back into the swing of things. And you know what's going to get me back into the swing of things? Not to put the car before the horse, but in a couple of months when I am making baby food. That's how I got into cooking from scratch to begin with because I want to see what's in everything. And I'm about to go on that journey again. A little sourdough for Maxi. He will love it. He will love it. He will love it.

What are the stories like today?

A lot of content news, like lots of TV.

Like pilots, variety deadline. I love that. Deadline. Production.

Deadline, I would say, is the theme of the episode. Tv Guide.

Okay.

Insider News.

Should we?

Get into it? We haven't dollied that much. I'm honestly not in the mood.

What else is going on with you? What do you think of Luke Holmes' new song, Be By You?

I haven't experienced it enough because I've fallen down a Teddy Swims rabbit hole, and I can't get up.

You should get up because Luke Holmes' new song is so good. I think I listened to it once. I just want to make love, wake up next to you with no makeup on.

Unfortunately, my hormonal journey right now only has me listening to soulful and/or house music. House? Yeah, I just love the beats. Now, I do think when I stop breastfeeding and I have hormonal change. Maybe I'll be feeling country music, but this is really crazy to say, I'm not listening to any country music right now. That's just not what the hormones have in store for me. Okay. I know. Usually, that's all I create. But I'm listening to my body. My God, he wants David Guetta. What are you going to do about it? You can't fight nature.

Can I circle back quickly to something we spoke about yesterday? Just a brief update for the fans.

You're going to be on Roni?

I'm not going to be on Roni, but I have heard Because I haven't heard from Haley Glassman. I mean, she blocked me, but she hasn't posted anything, whatever. And apparently, her comeback is that I made everything up. She said, I'm lying, and all these are fake screenshots.

Okay.

Yeah. So that's what I did for the weekend. I made up screenshots. I actually screen. I'm glad I screen-recorded our entire thread before she blocked me, just in case I needed receipts. And she did block me.

I just want to say, given everything I'm seeing-Sounds amazing. She's going to be Like an amazingly crazy housewife.

It's giving one season wonder. Like, it'll be a crazy nutty season where something happens.

But it's not sustainable. No. Yeah, because we need to be like, anchored to the truth.

The truth will set you free.

But like, okay, let's see what happens.

When you throw a crazy person in the mix.

Yeah, that was like, you're right, Nathanya.

And I just want to say, I feel like I was very graceful yesterday. I did say, I forgive her, even though she didn't apologize. And now she's over here slandering me saying I'm lying. So now she's officially my anime.

She's got to protect Haley's self. Like, someone I imagine getting on Roni is the most amazing thing that could happen.

She's not about to let- She's not about to let her- She's not going down with turd ship.

She will throw you under that ship.

I won't go down with this ship.

And we're not here to throw her off the ship. I said, Don't fire her.

I literally came on this show so supportive of my childhood bully. There she is now accusing me of lying.

We want to have a quorum on the ship and talk about who was bullying on the ship.

There's only one way for this saga to end.

Have her on the toast.

A thousand %. The invitation is open. I think that would make really amazing content.

Really?

Yeah, we would just sit here and be like, It will be like a study into the mind of a troll. Let's see if she will be open about it. Okay. And I'm down to sit down with my biggest fan. That's so exciting. People are always saying, Oh, you should have twisters on the show.

Here we go. I think it'll be a one on one.

You're not coming. You better be. My bully, you're not going to have my back against the schoolyard bully.

I'll have your back, but that doesn't sound I think that's what this is.

Well, I have to see what energy. I will be receptive to whatever sits in front of me.

And one thing about me, maybe for you as well, when someone says sorry, the power of a sorry, absorbed.

Actually, when somebody says sorry to me, everything I felt before flips, and I actually feel bad that I brought this person to the place of saying sorry. I had to debase them into an apology. I can't receive an apology without feeling so guilty. Yeah. No, but really, I'm like, it wasn't that big of a deal. I don't know why I was so upset.

I'm so ready to move on after a genuine sorry, which is why I appreciate a real apology. But when I got a real apology...

Jackie, it's Hilly Joel-Ozman. Oh, my God. I love. Using an anti-Semitic slur to a police officer. And the next morning, writing up one of the most heartfelt apologies. He was like, I fully blacked out. I don't use that word. I don't know why I said it. I feel awful. One thing about me, I'm Haley Joel Osmond, summer fan fan. When we say accountability, a word that has truly lost its meaning, I'm talking about Haley Joel Osmond the morning after his arrest, okay?

That's why I don't like phony, like bullshit apologies, because you take the power out of an apology, and I think an apology is so powerful. I totally agree.

The power of forgiveness is so real.

It is. I find myself to be a very forgiving person.

Three words. Haley Joel Osmond.

The proof is in the Joll.

If you ever want to know how truly graceful and forgiving we are, just episode where we heard that Haley Joll-Ozman used the K-word, okay?

And then we were mad at ourselves.

We were like, Maybe the officer was doing... That's the power of a good apology. It can get you to really swing.

It's so true. It's so true. True that.

I hope he's doing well.

But I feel like we are unique in that. Other people, they want you to apologize and to grovel.

No, but other people also demand apologies, no matter the genuine... Don't apologize if you don't need it.

No, they demand apologies, and then they don't forgive. So don't demand and don't apologize if you're not going to forgive. But that's on everyone else, not the two women.

Sitting here, right. Sort of talking the talk and walking the walk. Three words, Haleja Lozman.

Yeah.

Now.

Now I feel right.

I feel like we made a good point and we should just end on a win.

Yeah, before we back it up.

Yeah, right.

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We're four days behind.

That's so us. Forget Getting about a fellow woman.

Totally.

Happy International Women's Month to you.

You as well. I hope you're celebrating.

Should we celebrate International Women's Month by changing businessman of the Week just for March to be businesswoman of the Week?

That would actually be really amazing. But unfortunately, we've already crowned this week's businessman.

And not only that, we're just really not those type of women because I support women all year long. I don't need a monthly reminder. I know some of other women do. I don't.

Yeah. Also, I feel like when you get into the month game, then you have to celebrate every month. And if you don't celebrate some month, we'll never actually just be able to choose the best business person. I feel like, let the best business person be the businessman of the week.

What you're saying is BMOTW is It's not much a meritocracy.

It is a meritocracy. Okay. Well, now that you've said it, I do want next week's to be a woman because I don't know, I feel like that's really beautiful.

How about this? How about this? Let's see if any woman dazzles us.

Yeah, I'll be on the look out. Yeah. Our first story, not Caroleyn Busset. Sarah Pigeon, who plays Caroleyn Busset Kennedy in JFK Love Story or whatever the fuck it's called. Love Story.

The JFK Junior and Caroleyn Busset story.

She's a new face of road.

Genius. I was waiting for Calvin Klein to do an Undie thing with her and Paul Smith, whatever his name is. Paul Anthony. Paul Anthony Smith? Paul Smith Anthony.

I had no idea. Paul Anthony. Jfk. Paul.

I was waiting for somebody to have them very much like the Skims model where someone's having a moment. I will say, road acted very quickly. Slay the house down boots. I saw a TikTok of how people are getting so bent out of shape with Carole and Masset being like, Rest in peace, Carole and Masset. You would have loved Pilates. It was a podcast clip from Fluently Forward. It was like, Rest in peace, Carole and Masset. You would have loved matcha. It's like matcha and pilates were around with Carlyn Bacet. She was chain smoking in her apartment. It was a dump. She's not the bitch you think she was. Her hair was always messy. You guys are just putting your clean girl esthetic. No.

The thing is, she was the it girl all the time, and the it girls then were chain smoking. Now the it girls are doing matcha and pilates. I'm with them. She would have low up matcha and pilates.

I want to say, I do think people are getting- And a cigarette. Really are bent out of shape being like, Carlyn Bacet core. Although it's very much like when Sophia Richie went viral for her style and everybody started dressing nicely. Yeah, wear your black trousers. It's having a good effect. It's having a nice... I think everybody's looking really nice and polished and business casual. So I like that.

I like that, too.

Sarah Pigeon is insanely gorgeous. I didn't realize her background at all. I never watched her original show, The Wilds, which I actually think I might have seen the first episode of where a plane crashes on an island with a bunch of girls going She's like a trouble to youth school. And she's one of the girls, I think. And so people really loved it. It was very much like the society. It got canceled, and there was a really niche following. But she also has a background on Broadway because I saw this clip of her doing NPR Tiny Desk singing. Oh, wow. She had black hair. I'm like, Is that Caroline Busset? Kennedy? Yeah, she was on a Broadway show.

She used to have brown hair. She talks about it. She was interviewed in Vogue for being the new face of road, talking about beauty, talking about how she's loving life as a blonde, and she's going to stay a blonde until she has to change for her next role and being the face of road. I know road is big business, but I feel like this is a major move for road.

Yes. It's their first very much entering this level of the Skims model. I don't know who was doing it before Skims. Like Victoria's Secret Angel, almost.

Yeah, but they also had Tate McRay for the lip liners.

I know, and I don't feel like that really moved. It was exciting for young girls on TikTok, but outside of that, Yeah, I don't feel like it was nearly as exciting.

So this isn't their first face, just to say, but I don't know. It's their first slay. It's a really great face for the brand. I don't know why I feel like they... I'm shocked that she did this.

Sarah Pigeon. Yeah.

Because she seems like such a big deal right now. She could have any beauty campaign in the world. She would have paid her a lot. Yeah, but it's great for Road that they got her, and I think it's great for her, and I think this is a really well match, but it didn't seem so obvious to me.

No, of course not. It's also a big deal because this company became a billion-dollar company off of one face. I think the goal is that Road could flourish without Hailey, and it's just a skincare brand that everybody knows and loves. That was happened to be started by Hailey Bieber. Them passing the baton onto a new face is a big deal.

No, and Caroline Misset would have loved road.

When Tate McRae did it, it was just a campaign. It wasn't like she's the new face. She was just a model in a commercial. I don't know. It wasn't like a passing of the baton at all.

No, but it's like if she launched... This would never happen. If she launched Lipliners and had Kylie. Kylie is the face of Lipliner. That's how I feel about Sarah Pigeon and Carole and Missette. They really are the clean girl personified on TV right now, and it makes a lot of sense.

The campaign itself is Georgina. She has glowy, dewy skin, lots of blush, the very road esthetic. She's wearing I loved it. I thought this was such a slay. Creatively, I thought it was a great choice for Sarah Pigeon. Not an obvious choice. I'm sure she has a lot of options. I thought it was a great choice for her, an amazing get for them. And I just know Kim is freaking. This is so like, Skims.

Yeah, it is.

And because of the Calvin Klein of it all, too, and how Kim's like, swim, sorry, underwear, like, linger shoots have become the new Book Shields, Mark Wahlberg, Calvin Klein era, I'm sure she's pissed.

Yeah. And I do think them doing Calvin Klein would have been two on the nose. But I think them doing Skims Together, JFK and Sarah, would have been what we would have thought would happen. And honestly, it still could because this is just beauty. She can still sell Undies.

No, of course. But getting it first. I was really waiting for the Calvin Klein. I don't know if Calvin Klein hates this show and it's not going to get involved because he's being portrayed as an asshole. So maybe that's why they didn't do it. But it's a miss-up. I'm sure it was floated at a Calvin Klein headquarters. They're like, should we ask? And they were like, no.

No, honestly, I'm waiting for Skims. I think Skims could still happen.

It would have been a slay if it came out before Road.

But it's two different things. And I think we should have both because they sound both really part of you. I love this. Yeah, I agree. All in all, the effect the show is having on One.

Culture.

Is a net positive. And I'm seeing a lot of content, but it's not bothering me.

No, I love it. Trust me, as if I was Caroleyn Misset, or I saw some girl being like, I worked for Ethel Kennedy for three years. I think she worked in her home and how so many of the roles were so strict. You had to serve from the left, but take away from the right. I don't know if you didn't, you got in trouble, but she was a really amazing lady. And then, of course, Taylor Swift.

Starlight? You mean Starlight? Taylor Swift's era.

Apparently, Ethel loved Taylor and loved the song about her. She thought it was amazing.

I said, Oh my. It's a great song. What a marvelous tomb. It was the best night, never would forget how we moved. The whole place was dance to the nines and we were dancing, dancing.

I wonder if Taylor's watching Love Story, or it's too close. She met some of these people.

I think she is watching because I think she's in her TV era right now.

We're all having the experience that she had 10 years ago where she became obsessed with the Kennedy's, but she just had access and started dating one of them.

Yes. Also, upon further review and seeing a video interview of Jack Schlossberg, I think he's mad at the show because I think he would have wanted to play JFK.

That's such a hot take. I haven't heard anybody say that.

When I saw him, I'm like, he looks like him. And after Michael Jackson's nephew was playing Michael Jackson and they had the hardest time casting, why not the nephew?

Yeah. What if he just... That's not a bad call. Although I don't think the concept of being upset at a fictionalized show about people in your family who died tragically. I feel like that happens a lot. They make movies or Pamela Anderson. Nobody likes the thing, but I feel like he's coming out so hard against it while also benefiting from it so greatly. It's like, well, just be quiet and enjoy the attention because you need it.

Maybe some of the details are wrong and the personality, they have nothing to go on. But at the end of the day, as a whole, the show is a love story to JFK and Caroline. It's overwhelmingly positive. And showing them in a positive light. A thousand %. So, yeah, maybe the details aren't how it happened. But overall, I feel like it's a good thing. It's introducing a lot of people to them.

No, and it's resurging this obsession with the Kennedy dynasty. Now we're looking for Rando Kennedy's, and He has won. And he's running for Congress. So you would think in the political space, it's so beneficial for him. He is really riding the coattails of it while also slamming it.

You know who else could have played JFK? He's a little young, but he's related. Conor. Patrick Schwarzenegger.

I believe I read somewhere. Thank you for reminding me. He was Ryan Murphy's... There's something. Maybe Ryan Murphy wanted him to do it, and he was like, Absolutely not, because his actual family. Although that would have been a great casting. There was something with Arnold. Not Arnold, excuse me. Patrick.

Yeah. He doesn't look like him a lot, and he doesn't seem like a man in his 30s and 40s.

And he's a little short. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Jfk was this large presence. Okay. And I think Patrick Schwarzenegger is extremely hot, slay the house in boots, but he's short.

I didn't know that he was short. I didn't know that was happening. He gives short. I don't even know. He doesn't give short at all.

Really? Patrick Schwarzenegger.

But yeah, I feel like everyone looks like exactly their character.

Oh, never mind. He's 6'1.

He gives short. And he's just like a nepo-casting.

Yeah, they would have loved that.

But I guess it's a little weird if it's not like...

And JFK Jr. Was 6'1. It's the perfect height. I don't know why he doesn't give big, tall energy.

How old is Patrick? In his 30s?

No, I feel like he's younger.

But he's engaged.

He's married.

He's married.

His age is...

32. Okay. Sus. It's perfect. Let me see him.

Let me find a new picture of him. Hold on.

And they could have had prosthetics.

Yeah.

Okay. He could have done it, and he should have. He could have, for sure. He could have prosthetics, a little dye, a little something.

He definitely was not allowed. He wasn't even allowed to take the meeting.

Maria was like, Are you fucking serious? Damn. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Traitor Star Eric Nam gets his revenge against winner Rob Roche in his new music video. Did you see this?

I saw that he hired Rob. Rob. Ron.

Ron. Jam Jam, Natalie, and Mora are all in Eric's new music video for his new single, How the Fire Started.

I obviously did not watch a video, but I saw that like a trailer, and I thought it was really nice of everyone to- Participate? Yeah, because you know it's like an on pay gig. What was the video about?

I think he gets his revenge on Rob. He travels to Rob's ranch to write some wrongs after his... I guess he was really wronged by Rob. When I'm thinking about it, we only think of Mora.

He wasn't robbed anymore than Lisa or Candice.

Yeah, but we talk about Lisa and Candice all the time. Because in the last episode, Mora was so betrayed, we forget about the other betrayal that happened, which was Eric, because Rob had no reason to boot Eric out other than the money, because they could have together as traitors if he stopped the game.

I forgot that Eric was a singer. He didn't sing once. Like, Mark Ballas did a twirl.

He had musical ears. And he got it wrong. Remember? And he said, I'm a musician. I can hear a pitch.

He was you, Tiffany. That was so crazy. At the beginning The beginning of Traitors was so good. It really was. I forgot that he was a singer. I didn't hear the song or the music video, but like, cutesy.

I wonder what the genre is. Do you want to listen? Sure. A little bit? Let me play it on Spotify.

And I wonder how this has impacted his musical career because I hadn't heard of him.

I mean, we are talking. We are about to play his song on our show.

Yeah, but I don't want to get demonetized.

No, two seconds. I just want to hear the...

I feel like it's probably like Bipaparu, you know? I don't know. Let's skip forward a little bit. Okay, the opener is good. It sounds like- The opener is good. I just want to say- Seasons changing, I love when- Okay, I'm skipping forward.

I just want to say I like the intro. I love it.

It's It's good.

I'm listening on the way home. It's good.

It's good. Okay, Eric.

And my car is connected to my Spotify, so it's going to be playing in my car.

Yeah, that happens to me with the happy song.

Oh my God, me too. Every day, I'm like, I wasn't listening to this in the car. Ring, ring on the bicycle, beep, beep in the car.

Ping, ping, a submarine, helicopter, a choo-choo train, an airplane, a rocket to the sky. If you have a baby and you don't know the Happy Song, go save yourself, okay?

Treat yourself to a few minutes of peace.

But it always plays in the car.

Our next story. You're going to love this. Turdy is going to love this.

What?

Vannerpump Rules producer Alex Baskin's 32 flavors. His production company, is boarding season 2 of Love Thi Nader. So Love, Thy Nader is about to get the Vannerpump Rules treatment. Alex Baskin, who is a producer of Vannerpump Rules, his- A legendary Bravo producer. His Company 32 Flavors, which continues to produce Vannerpump Rules, and Beverly Hills and the Valley, will now produce the second season alongside Disney and Jimmy Kimmel and Smoking Baby Productions. So he's getting involved.

But in fact, what me is that I hosted a panel at BravoCon, and he was on it. And honestly, I don't think I realized till way after how big of a deal he was. It was all about trips that they've taken. And he had produced... He produces all the shows you mentioned, but then also random seasons of New York. Bravo picks him up when they need him. And he's legendary. So I feel like this bodes really well for Love, They, Nader. And while I think this is amazing, give us the fucking second season. Like, enough already.

Yeah. And now it's like, what is the second season going to be? Is it even going to be that footage that they teased at the end of the first season.

Which is Bezos's wedding, which was so long ago. Do you know what just happened to Brooklyn?

They should have just put out the second season and then brought him out for season three because you're going to have to rework everything. It's now old. And part of the amazing thing about Love, They, Nader is happening three months before it came out.

And it sounds like they just hired him. You know what I mean?

Yeah. No, it doesn't sound good. Give us the second season of Bezos's Wedding. Even if it's bad, we'll watch the third season with Alex Baskin. Yeah. Just call it bonus content or something.

Put it on YouTube. Like, whatever.

Some of us are struggling. Yeah. Some of us miss thy nader.

I do feel like it's actually, at this point, going to negatively impact ratings. It's so long.

Yeah. It's like...

Jeopardy? No. Making us wait to the point where we don't care?

Not us, particularly. But yeah, it's not like, boating well. We've had three seasons of Roman wives in the time that we've waited for Love thy Nader. Right.

Almost like knowing how fast Hulu can turn things around is making me suss. Something's up.

Yeah. What's going on with Mary and Julian?

Yeah, they left us on a cliffhanger. But it's like that was now two years ago.

They moved to LA.

Yeah. I feel like when they picked back up-It was actually in the spring. I almost hope they don't answer those questions because that means we're watching old shit.

Yeah, but that was in the spring. It was they had Easter, so it's like June.

Sorry, the Roman wives have literally turned everyone on their asses.

I'm doing Let Me Start on Love Island.

Right.

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Our next story, Lamar Oda is getting the Untold Treatment. Netflix's Untold series is dropping four new sports episodes, and Lamar Odom is one of them. So he opens up about his 2015 overdose in a new episodeing trailer for Netflix's Untold. His His wife, Chloe Kardashian, appears in the documentary, revealing to viewers that she felt a responsibility to cover up for his drug use and protect him during their marriage. It is called The Death and Life of Lamar Odom. It premieres on Netflix March 31st.

This is so crazy. I feel like even though the Kardashian, they've had Lamar back on, they talk openly about Lamar, I don't feel like Chloe has ever really sat down and told the whole story, not even just about his overdose, but what preceded that, their marriage.

Their marriage. She hasn't. She really hasn't.

She alludes a lot to a very dark time when Rob was living in the house, and I think that the Mars addiction might have affected Rob and he got Rob. We never really found out. But a lot of why Rob is MIA and off camera and out of the public eye is because of that time was really damaging for him. And I think Chloe feels like a huge responsibility. We know, based on very limited contextualized things, but we've never sat down and gotten the full. I think they've talked a lot about the actual overdose and how Chloé was here, and she flew there. He was dead.

Everything after the marriage.

They came and said goodbye.

But nothing really during the marriage other than that it was a dark time. And now we know that there was drug use because there was drug use after. But she talks about how he would escape from rehab and go on a drug vendor and no one could find him. And that was their marriage, which we don't know that. I'm sure she was never going to tell the whole world that. But now he's doing a documentary about himself, I'm sure. And now he's an open book. So I guess as much as she wants to share, because she's also entitled to her privacy from that time.

I'm surprised she even sat down.

I am and I'm not. I don't know how you could do a documentary on are without her.

Yeah. And I think that she really wants what's best for him.

You could, but you'd be missing a big piece.

I think she wants him to survive and thrive on his own. So however she can help, she will. But this does seem like a big burden for her to take on because I think she's so traumatized by that period in her life.

It might be healing for her to share it.

She also recently started therapy. She talked about that on Kardashian. It's like maybe this is a part of her journey.

And there's worse places to tell your story than Netflix. I feel like they'll do it with respect and dignity.

And Untold is a really critically acclaimed series.

I'm critic.

People love it. It's done really well. So I don't think it's like a tacky eat your Hollywood story type of vibe.

No, it's not. It's a good place to go when you want. If you have the opportunity because don't focus on that many people. I think what's going to be interesting about this, at least for me, is the focus that they'll have on his sport aptitude, because I just think of Lamar as like, Chloe and Lamar, he's a legend. But before that- But he's a legendary Laker.

He was like Kobe's number one guy.

His talent is amazing. I think they talk about- Six men of the year. I think they talk about in the documentary that the Lakers were making special rules for him because he was on drugs and playing basketball. I imagine they take drug tests, but they let him.

That doesn't look good for the Lakers.

That's That's what the trailer seemed to be. I don't know if they're saying they let him play on drugs, but I think they let him get away with a lot.

Oh my God. Speaking of the NBA, I saw something on TikTok this morning, drama that's happening in Houston. Houston? So Houston, they're having a themed... They have a game coming up, and they're having a theme. It's called the Magic City Night or whatever. And it's honoring a local institution, Magic City. It's a famous place in Houston, and it's a strip club. One of the players wrote a sub stack back, being like, I'm just writing this essay to urge the NBA and Houston to cancel this event. Spotlighting an industry where he really was very woke, where so many women get abused and it's supposed to be family-friendly entertainment. I saw it on TikTok. People are having lots of debates about whether the NBA should be having a night.

Celebrate the strip club.

Yeah, which I think just baseline, basketball is marketed as a family-friendly event, and a lot of kids go. For that reason, it shouldn't. But he went really deep on the lore of the history of abuse in the sexual industry.

Yeah.

It was so crazy.

That is crazy.

I think they're also playing the Orlando Magic that night. So it was like the magic theme. Yeah, I don't know. It was weird. I thought it was so crazy.

What if you had a magician come?

I know this guy.

The dinner party magician?

No.

He puts kids on his face.

And he's an amazing magician. Steve Max. Steve Max. Yeah. I actually think he broke his jaw.

Yeah, he was doing a lot.

He was crazy. If you were on the New England- We saw a magic show a couple of weeks ago, and it was just a small magic show.

A local guy. But there was really good magic out there.

If you were on the New England summer camp circuit in the early 2000s, then you know Steve Max. He would come to everyone's summer camp.

Put it on your face. And his thing was that he would take a lawn chair and put a kid on the lawn chair.

I always picked the tiniest kid, which is still impressive. Sorry, I wasn't knocking him. And he picked up the chair and he would balance the chair and the child on his jaw. I heard he retired because he shattered his jaw from years of hard work and making kids laugh. But that was a great time.

All to say, there are other things that you could do if you want to celebrate magic. Oh, you know what's cute? The Orlando magic that's like Disney.

Yeah, how cute. I never put that together. You guys, we are planning a trip to Disney.

It seems as though Disney's in our future.

And the one spearheading the campaign- And this is always how it happens for us.

It's like we have a Disney itch and then we just go to Disney. And I guess that's one of the beauties of being in Florida.

And being here, Ben is like, We are going to go home soon. I meant to tell everyone that. Our time is coming. So Ben is like, We can't have been here for so long and never have been to Disney. And Ben just wanted to become a parent so he could go to Disney. He made me go as two childless adults a few years ago, and it was one of the worst experience of my life. And so I agree that we should go.

We're here and what else? I need you to go because I need to know what you think about it. I need to experience it with you. I can't tell if you are going love it or hate it.

I could see really liking a lot of elements of it, but not loving a lot of the physical elements. I could see it being so tired after- That's not so bad. And you're strong. I know, but I'm physically strong, mentally weak. I could just see it being like, I don't want to go. But I'm going. And I told Ben, If you want it, you have to book it. I'm not putting all the work finding- Our Disney committee is Ben, Olivia and my husband.

They should start a group chat. He said, Disney, when?

So it's just about finding the right time, but we're going. We're going.

Disney, Disney, Disney.

Imagine I come back like a full-blown Disney adult. And then I become one of those people who moves to Florida so they could be near... But I would move to like, Orlando.

You know you get much better ticket prices as a Florida resident.

So you'll just have to be buying the tickets. Yeah.

Yeah, no, but if you move, you go cheaper. If you love it, it's a reason to move to the state.

I don't know. Well, some people do. I see people on TikTok who are like, Orlando influencers, and they literally moved from Scottsdale to be near Disney. When they need to go for a walk, they go to Disney Park.

Once you go there, you're not going to want to do that, but you might have an understanding of it's the world's best playground. Imagine you could live for your kids.

But they go without their kids. They drop their kids off at school and she's like, I need to go for a walk, so I'll go to Epcot.

It's walkable.

That's insane.

I'm not saying I would ever do that, but it's the world's most amazing playground. If you could live near it, it's a slay. We're going. We are going. We're vlogging whenever. Of course.

We need to bring a camera crew. Where's Alex Baskin when you need him?

Yeah, we need a crew. Yeah. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? It's more content news. I don't really know what it means. Squid Game, the VIP Challenge Season 1 is set at Netflix with a celebrity cast.

Oh, okay. Because I was shocked when you chose this.

Celebrity Squid Games. Oh, okay. Here are some of the cast members.

What do you feel like Squid Games has been beaten to a pulp? Mr. Beast, he has his own show, but it's like Beast Games.

So one thing about me, I never watched Squid Games. I don't know what it's about, except that- Remember earlier in the week? I don't know if it's a A reality show or a scripted show.

Remember earlier in the week when we said there are mini-series that get a second season, and they should have been given the mini-series treatment? Squid Games. That first season of Squid Games.

You know what else? Too Hot to Handle on Netflix. Once it was like...

But I'm not talking about reality shows because Squid Games- Is Squid Game's reality? No, it's a scripted show. The first season is one of the best seasons of television. It's insane. It was amazing. I know they did a second season. I never watched it. When it's the biggest show, and it was the biggest show in the world. How do you not? But it really shouldn't have. Now, yes, you're right. They did a reality show, Mr. Beast. I guess they're doing a reality show, Celeb Edition.

Mr. Beast is a reality version of Squid Games?

Mr. Beast has a show on Prime called Beast Games.

That I know.

I think it's like an interpolation.

Okay.

Of this.

Okay. Well, now they're doing Squid Games, like Celeb version.

Okay, who's on it? Spice Girls. Wait, sorry. Let me tell you. Can I tell you what the Squid Games are?

Okay.

So in Korea, they like... If you must. It's like this underground ring where these people come in. They find people who are down on their luck, financially, the guy that they chose had a gambling addict and was in really bad debt. And they give them an opportunity to win a million dollars if they come to this game, Squid Game.

But it's not real.

No, it's a scripted show.

Okay.

And so we follow all these people. They come to this facility, and it's exciting until they realize it's like hunger game. It's like they fight to the death. There are all these challenges until one person is standing.

You either die or win a million dollars.

But the pot It keeps growing with however many people die. And if you kill someone, it adds money to the pot. It's like traitors. Until there's one person standing.

Okay. Should I watch it?

It's very good, honestly.

Oh, okay. It's dubbed.

Do you know like an heiress? It's like a different language, but then they have the... I don't mind dubbed. It wasn't annoying.

Here's who's on this celebrity version of Squid Games, which is a reality show, and no one's actually dying. On Netflix? On Netflix. Okay. Spicegirl star Mel B. Dylan Efron, of course, he never misses an opportunity to be on TV. Oh my God.

He really should go out a winner. He's going to become like... You know what I mean? He did Dancing with the Stars, and he did Traitors, the two biggest shows of this elk. And he came out beloved both times. He should just take the W and go.

No, but at this point, being on ensemble shows is his career. It's his career, yeah. How did he even get on the first one?

Netbo.

But that was the best thing that ever happened to him. Yeah. Tristan Thompson.

Why wasn't he on that Kevin Jonas show?

I don't think there was enough episodes. I think it's still on. That would mean Zack had to do it.

What's the Kevin? No, no, no, no, no. The Kevin and Frankie Jonas show where all these celebrity offsprings, siblings, what's it called? Claim to Fame, Live in a House Together. They have to guess who they're related to. I feel like Dylan would have been a good one. People like that show. I'm happy for them. No, it's popular.

Tristan Thompson, Kim Zolciak.

Queen.

Hannah Goodwin from The Bachelor. Oh. Exciting. Yeah. She hasn't been back on TV since The Bachelor. Yeah, I'm shocked. I'm surprised that this is what she wants to do. Ryan Surhant. Okay. What? And Viper, who is a squid... And Viper, a squid game, the challenge alum, voted in my face.

There was like another, probably normy version.

British. So yeah, that's...

This is crazy.

And then Christie Sarah, who's a content creator. Do you know her? I don't. But I endorse the content creator.

This type of show is really huge right now. I don't know if you saw House of Villains on Peacock. I've heard of it. Oh, my God. I saw the funniest clip. Like, whoever works at Peacock fucking hates Tom Sandoval. Tom Sandoval is on it. I guess the premise of the show is you were a villain on your own show, and now we're going to put you all in a house for a show of just villains. So his car pulls up to the house and he gets out. But they had his mic on the whole time. So you hear him in the car practicing what he's going to say when he gets out, which is, House of Villains, I guess it's come to this. So you hear him in the car being like, I guess it's come to this. I guess it's come to this.

Wait, why would he be practicing in the car? He's a loser. That's insane.

I know. And then you hear it three times, then you see him do it flawlessly.

That's It was crazy. It was mean. It's mean that he showed it, but that's crazy that he was rehearsing that. Practicing.

I appreciate that he takes his job seriously.

Yeah.

And then I think he was the first person eliminated because I saw him on Watched Up and Live talking about his time on the show. I'm like, It just premiered.

But maybe that doesn't mean he's eliminated.

No, it doesn't. Maybe he's just promoting. Promoting, yeah. I don't know. I saw the clip that you were talking about of the twink at a red head coming for Amanda Francis, and then he was like, I don't even watch a show. I don't know why I said that. It was so funny. It was really funny.

So Squid Game VIP challenge. If that sounds good, that's good.

I'm surprised at a lot of the casting on there.

It's actually pretty high caliber. So if that sounds good, that's good.

I don't know what else you want me to say. And with that, I guess we'll leave you. Those poignant words. We said, today's themes are very much like well-read maturation. So makes sense that we would end the episode with that beautiful tagline.

A poetic note.

What do you think Hailey Glassman's tagline is going to be?

Oh, wait, I I have to do my summer house recap. Oh, sorry. Hailey Glassman's tagline. No great question.

#glassmanplasticse... Need a neck lift? #glassmanplasticsurgery.

Oh, wait. I have it. I don't uplift. I neck lift.

I love that. That's really good.

She's mean, but she does plastic surgery. Yeah.

She's like a bully who... Oh, sorry. She doesn't do plastic surgery. Her dad does. So she does PR? And that's how she met John Gosselen. He came in to get, I think, his Beck's wife, a tummy tuck, and ended up leaving with the doctor's daughter.

But she does PR for Glassman's? That I don't know. In the articles, they said she's PR Maven.

Yeah, she gives Lizzie Grubman energy.

That's a really big compliment.

Really? Lizzie Grumman drove her suburban into a club in the Hamptons and almost killed a hundred people and literally left people paralyzed.

But she's the best publicist to ever do it, right?

No, she's not. Her dad is the best lawyer to ever do it. That's why she's like a neppo baby. She was like a ditsy socialite who literally got drunk one night in the Hamptons and drove her car into a club full of people.

I thought she was also an acclaimed publicist.

No, I think she became a late in life publicist because what do you do after you've almost killed a hundred people? Pr. Correct.

Well, do you have a tagline for Ms. Glassman? It's hard because we don't know a lot about her.

Right. Because, again, she It's just my hater.

I don't.

I'm sorry. I don't have it. Yours was really good.

Thank you so much.

Let's talk about Summer House. Tell me what happened.

Let's talk about Summer House. Dara is here. Dara is chilling. So everyone's like, the single guys are excited about Dara. Mostly KJ and Australian bachelor Ben, but she's into KJ, which is interesting because he's younger and everyone adores Ben, but she said she just didn't feel a spark with him, which I'm glad because Bayly, I'm really feeling fond of Bayly. She's showing us more and more.

She's the brunette or the blonde?

The blonde. Levi, the brunette is barely on the show. She's there this weekend.

She's Bayly from last year.

Yeah, she's like, I think, there to support. I think we got some confessionals from her, but Bayly is the full-time cast member.

I read on Twitter people are loving Bayly.

I wanted to know what the temperature was about her because I imagine people would really like her. They say she's the future of the show. Because she's very honest and vulnerable. And her thing is she's a weirdo, and she doesn't have confidence, but it's translating. And I guess she was in a relationship before that really rocked her confidence. So she doesn't even know how to flirt anymore. And she was like, I'm going to try and flirt with West. And she's talking him. And it was just really funny. She did a terrible job, but it was genuinely enjoyable to watch. And she wasn't even like... She never feelings her. She doesn't like him. She's just trying to her. But she does think Ben is really cute. And doesn't know how to go about it. So I'm glad that Ben and Dara- I'm glad people in the house are mingling. And then speaking of mingling- That's what the show is supposed to be. So the core drama is that Jessie asked West if he could make out with Cierra, and that got back to Cierra, and she was so offended. And she was right because she was like, her and Jessie are best friends.

If he wants something a little bit more with her, first of all- They should talk about it first. The only person he should be asking for permission to kiss is her. And second of all, if you like her like that, you should be asking for permission to take her on a date, not kiss her. So true. Because it's like a joke. Like, oh, no, if we made out, it wouldn't be a big deal. It's like a joke. But so what? I'm like, a joke to you? She was like, everyone in this house knows I want a boyfriend, and then I'm more traditional. Why would you hear all that and then think, oh, let's make out for fun.

And in the context of Lexie, it's insane. Yeah.

But it was so apt because she was like, I hate how Jessie moves without intention. And then when she confronts him about it, he's like, I guess I didn't think about what my intentions were. And that's literally the problem. And that's why I said two seasons ago on Southern Charm, Austin said he's been doing therapy, and now he's dating with intention. Yeah, you don't just make out with someone who's looking, or if it's your friend. And then what's next? You have to have a plan for things. You can't just go about your life like that. And what really bothers me about Jessie is he's always saying he's looking for a relationship. And it's like, if you're looking for a relationship, why would you just make out with your best friend? And if you do want to make out with your best friend, and you guys have an amazing friendship and you're attracted to her, obviously, why not something more serious? Why does your head not go there? So he's really frustrating. And I feel like a lot of the frustrations that we had with him last season, and this is what Lexie was frustrated with him about.

If you want to be my boyfriend, you have to be more serious as an individual is now coming up this season, which it's better late than never. But you can't just be such an unserious individual. These are people's feelings. And it's not cute. No, it's not cute at all. I think he thinks it's cute. No, and when Cierra and him were talking, he was in trouble. Good. I was glad, but it was awkward because why are you being so foolish? So I was glad that she let him know and isn't going to put up with that. And it was sad because she was like, Why do people just look at me and not take me seriously in a relationship? They see me as this sexual object. And I'm like, It's not people. It's this house. It's this Bravo guy. It's Austin West and Jessie.

That must be frustrating now for multiple times in a row for it to have happened. But what's the common denominator here? It's like douches from reality TV. There are men outside who would respect you. Yeah. So just fishing in the wrong pond.

You're fishing in the wrong pond. There are people who are looking for real things, and the common denominator is they are all the same guy. Yeah.

Like, literally different hairstyles, same guy.

Yeah. Just like, reality TV man children who are in no position to get serious.

What about Kyle and Amanda?

Kyle and Amanda were stable this episode. It was not about Kyle and Amanda, and that was good. I wanted to say one more thing. What? Something that's like, sneaking up. So Soft Bar?

You think it's great?

So in the episode, he's doing the Renault on and he said, We're going to open in five weeks. So I was like, Oh, that means they're open now. They are. So I went to their Instagram, and I feel like they have something going.

Okay.

They do a lot of collabs with wellness brands. They use the space for- I see people on TikTok, though. And they have a coffee bar, and they do the Running Club and everything. They have soft run. They have a lot of going.

Okay.

And I feel like they might get it No, it's been going now for a while. Not just that it's up and running, but I feel like he might have something.

Like he's onto something with the idea.

He might be, and I'm ready to eat my words. Wow. Or at least the way it looks on social, it looks pretty legit, and that there is a space for this. Right.

Wellness.

It's a physical location where wellness brands can activate. I can't believe those are real words, but they are. They do collaborations, and it's a physical space where wellness brands can activate. That's beautiful. We didn't it that way before.

No. It's also not how it was sold, just saying. Yeah. Yeah.

So I think he's got something off the ground. And I also think in the season, it looks like in the trailer, Bayly and Carl Kiss. And I actually think they might be well suited because she is very awkward. And she's not shy, but she's lacking confidence right now, and she's quirky. And I feel like Carl's the exact same, lacking confidence right now, like quirky, not shy, but lacking confidence right now.

I want to talk about Amanda because I'm not actively watching the show. I keep up through clips and through you, and I watch the first couple of I will let you know when we get to a point where you need to be watching.

Right now, you don't.

But it seems like it's so interesting. There's a trajectory on... Oh, and it's so funny. The Cut wrote an article. I actually want to find it. It was a good article. Okay. Hold on. It was called I Love My Husband Who Hates Me.

Oh, I didn't see that.

Oh, you didn't? Mm-mm. And it talks about this relationship. And they did reference Kyle and Amanda. Fucking subscriber. God, the Cut writes one good article. Fuck off. I can't read it. It was, I love my husband who hates me. So nothing inspires rage like a woman who defends her partner's bad behavior. And then an writer from The Cut reports on the phenomenon. And they referenced a couple of people, Kyle and Amanda being one of them. And it's interesting. And I loop Ariana Maddo into that, where it's Ariana Maddo. It's different because Ariana Maddo ended up being a victim in her situation. And so When she was the victim and then got all these opportunities and brand deals, there is this Bravo template that I feel like Ariana started, where you're a woman scorned, and then you get magazine covers and opportunities, and you actually leave your show because you're so I feel like you got a ton of brand deals. She was in that Duracell commercial, remember?

Uber Eats.

Yeah. And now I feel like every time Amanda's on my Instagram, she's doing an interview, doing a brand deal. It's like a million ads. She's like, The Face of Tropicana. I don't know if you saw that. It's this Ariana Maddox template. I feel like it's not the same because we knew Tom Sandoval was the worst. She really loved him, and then she ended up being wronged. It's like, yes, she needs to be looked at him.

Him not even being the worst. Actually, at the end of his terrible personality actually had nothing to do with it at the end.

Right. But she was doing this interview yesterday, and she's been collabbing all the posts. I saw her interview with Glamor being like, I love Kyle. Stop being mean to him. Telling the fans to lay off. So it's like, okay. You know?

Yeah. Well, yeah. It's not an Ariana in time situation. Their relationship petered out.

Yeah. But this catapulting of the woman's career after the breakup, that's where it's like the Ariana Maddox pathway.

Right. And also it's like, why can't we catapult women in relationships?

No, it's so true.

That's so funny. Why do you have to be single and scorned or not scorned? To be successful. Why weren't brands claiming from Amanda before? She's the same person. Yeah.

I really want to bring up It's a article. It's like, pissing me off. It was a really good... I forget who else they reference.

It's like, you're only interesting to people if you're single. I don't like that because it feels like that's what they're saying about Amanda. And she's also saying, Kyle did nothing wrong. Don't be into him. So I don't know why she would have more opportunities now and what Tropicana cares if she's single or married.

Yeah. Hold on. I think I found the article. I'm so interesting. I read articles. I actually read the headline, and somebody did a TikTok like wrapping it up.

Oh, I'm sorry. Do you want to find the TikTok? Nothing inspires rage.

Like a woman who defends her partner's bad behavior. I found it. Yeah. Oh, and it was talking about Kristen Bell and Dax Sheppard because he goes on their podcast and says weird things that he does in the context of their relationship, and she's always having to come on the podcast and be like, No, it's funny. I like it. Kyle and Amanda were referenced. And then it's like how people make TikToks. Okay, so I saw this TikTok and it was like, Come with me to return some clothes. Come with me to return some clothes because my husband didn't want me spending all the money on them. It's like people make these TikToks about the terrible things that their husbands do. Then in the comments, they're like, Nobody's a great guy. You guys don't understand. It's like, Well, stop bringing that to us. It's like what Kyle and Amanda. It's like, We watch this train wreck of a relationship, and I think people got really emotionally invested in it. And then it's over and she's like, Guys, he's the best. Don't be mad at him. We're like, Okay.

You know what? I prefer that.

Then the dragging.

To the other one where it's like, Yeah, he's terrible. It's like, But wait, you were with him for so long, and he's been this person. He's consistent in the way that he is. I'm glad that she's defending him.

They reference Tom and Katie, Tom Schwartz, Dumping a drink on his literal wife and calling her a fucking bitch. I can't believe we all just watched that. I know. So in hindsight- Where were we?

Well, I was young, so I feel like... But the executives who... Where were people?

Yeah.

That's insane.

Yeah. So it's this weird thing of broadcasting the terrible nature of your relationship. And we all get emotionally invested, and it's like... But And he's the best. It's like, okay.

Yeah. No, there's a lot of different iterations. I feel like every couple that you just mentioned is so different. So I can't just say blanket statement, you should do this or you should do that. I do feel like with Kyle and Amanda, they are who they are. He didn't do any... Aside from the DJ staying and the staying out late, which is what he was doing before they got married, he didn't do anything new. So I actually appreciate her protecting him.

It is annoying when somebody then goes on a podcast and says the worst things that their husband did. It's like, Girl, that was your husband.

No. And it's like, he was You were there for that. And now you wanted to flip. But it was great at the time, and now it's bad now. I just feel like it's convenient. And if you ever loved this person, you should have their back a little bit. As opposed to, like we said, New Year's Day, this is the closest person in the world to you, and now they're a stranger. And beyond being a stranger, now they're... What's the word?

You're their op.

Their op.

Okay, op.

Okay, bestie.

Yeah. Say less, bestie.

Say less about your op, bestie.

She's so young.

So, yeah, I would need to sit down with about each couple because I don't think you can put them all together. Now, please send me the TikTok that really compelled you about this article because you did not make it. You didn't make the best case for it, but I'm open. Yeah.

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