Transcript of Cream Queens: Thursday, March 5th, 2026

Good morning, girlies. It's The Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's The Toast.

They sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast and Happy Thursday. Yeah, that's right. We made it to the latter half of the week. Pat yourselves on the Pat yourself on the back. Hey, Jacks. How are you doing?

Doing good. Excited that it's Thursday. Yeah. Excited that we're both matching today. Creamy vibes. The theme category is?

Cream.

Creamy. Cream Queens.

Sounds like a porno. Like, title. I love it. We're always thinking for a titulating title. That'll force people to click. You know? Yeah. Curiosity.

Cream Queens. But that's us today. We are so creamy. Yes, we are.

I'm wearing a shirt that I put on. I was like, I feel like I'm wearing Jackie's clothes.

I love it. Thanks. Where'd you get it? Nudes. I figured.

Yeah. I don't know how I feel about wearing short sleeves. Don't you feel like wearing short sleeves as a person who had a baby, somewhat recently, is a brave thing to do?

No, it's not even short. Short sleeves are just so juvenile. It's so middle school. But no, I'm saying not. I said I love your I want your sweater, and I want your sweater. It's not about you and your sweater, but there is something just so juvenile about short sleeves.

Certain types of short sleeves. I don't know. Something about my shirt today is so short sleeve. I'm walking into the room, sleeves first. I feel like we talk about this the last time, Maggie Rogers went to the Grammys and wore a short sleeve gown. A short sleeve gown is insane. Certain types of short sleeves are just more obvious than others. And I feel like, yes, mine today are just so obvious.

Yeah, but it has nothing to do with arm, It's not your size or anything. It just has to do with attitude. Short sleeves is like, Oh, I have gym class today. I'm wearing short sleeves.

It's PE.

Yeah, but a mature woman has a long arm. But all is to say, I love your sweater. I'm really not knocking your sweater. I'm actually like, I wish I were wearing it.

It comes with matching pants, but it was too hot. Oh, wow.

I wish I were wearing... It's not about you, but we need to discuss short sleeves because...

I feel like we actually talk a lot about cap sleeves, which are just an insane...

No, that's not a real thing.

Not That's not a real thing.

I don't even want to dignify cap sleeves at the discussion. Yeah.

Short sleeves are just crazy.

They're not crazy. They're just interesting.

Yeah, I do.

I don't have a lot of short sleeves unless I'm wearing a T-shirt, in which case, yeah, I have PE.

T-shirt is different, though.

I'm taking the presidential fitness test today.

T-shirt is different. Oh my God. All those tests, like the presidential fitness test, the BJEs. If you didn't go to a Jewish school, you don't know the BJEs. The Regency? The The Regency is where Tom cheated on his wife.

I took my regents at the Regency.

She's a high class woman. The regents, the BJEs, all those standardized stats, of course, the SATs. Like, please, I can't get back there.

Everyone knows the SATs.

I told this story. I was just talking about this over the weekend. Did I ever tell you guys a story about the time my SAT tutor fainted in our session?

I don't think so. But that was the same tutor I had, right?

No, no, no. Different tutor? We went through a couple of tutors, and this was before... I My tutor that changed my life, his name was Snehal. It took me a while to find him. So before Snehal, there was a woman, she would come to the house for little sessions. And I remember one time I was home alone, which we weren't kids who were home alone a lot. Just because we had a lot of siblings, but also we just didn't grow up in a house where we were left home alone. No. It was against the rules. And I was home alone, which was just freaky. And she came over and she was like, Is it okay if I eat my soup during our session? I was like, Yeah, of course. She her soup. She was slurping on it the entire time. And towards the end of the session, I was like, Great. Thanks so much. She was like, I feel like there might have been gluten in that soup. I'm really not feeling well. I'm allergic to gluten. And I was like, Oh, Can you look at me? I was so uncomfortable. And she was like, Do you mind if I just lay my head down for a second?

And I was like, Okay. So she like, dead ass collapsed on the dining room table, her head sprawled out. And I just sat there and watched. I really didn't know what to do. I was so scared. Mostly, I just wanted her out. If she was going to have a medical episode, please do it in the lobby or just elsewhere. Because I'm a child, and I personally just can't take this on. I'm taking the SATs. I have a lot on my plate right now. And so she just laid there for a while. And then she picked her head up and was like, Okay, thank you. I'll go. And I said, That's amazing. I'm calling Sneha. Yeah. I do believe that was one of our last sessions. And when everyone got home later that night, I told them what happened. I don't know if you remember, and everyone was like, That's really weird. I'm like, No, it's really weird. What if she was starting to throw up?

I would have been in college, so I wasn't home.

Where the hell was everyone?

I was in college. Olivia was in college.

Really? When did you take your SATs? You started studying?

Your junior year.

You studied as a junior? Yeah. You were in college.

I was in college.

Olivia was probably home because Olivia went to NYU, and she was always hanging.

She wasn't home in that time. That's why I was empty.

That's why I was empty. Yeah.

Margot to carry the torch.

She seriously didn't care.

Because if we were all home, it would have been like, remember the time?

A family story. Oh, my God. I remember she looked a lot like Sara Borellis. She was just like a girl.

Sara Borellis. Oh, I had someone I wanted to induct into the CIA asylum. Let's hear it. Who I believe is spending time there right now. Who? Ice Spice.

Yes. The discourse does include Ice Spice. But I feel like the CIA asylum, sometimes people then loop in. The conversation we were having about people who were No, actually, no, you're right. You're right. You're right. Ice Spice. Yeah.

But there's a lot of different... Not everyone's there for the same reason. And I don't know the reasons a lot of them are there. Sometimes it's audience Q-Score, sometimes it's industry. They didn't play the game, shake their hands. So I don't know why. I also don't know why Ice Spice was all of a sudden like, Ice Spice. Is everybody knowing Ice Spice?

What were the circumstances that led to her being eligible for a Taylor Swift collab? Right. I hadn't really heard of her before that.

I missed that. And then everybody's like, Of course it's Ice Spice on karma. And I'm like, Yeah.

Of Of course. Of course it is. Yeah, you don't know that?

And now that she's not around, I'm like, Yeah, where is she? I miss her.

You know who's in the the Key Asylum? Doja Cat.

Doja Cat.

But I think that's through her own wacky behavior.

She's not in the Keya Asylum. She is off the grid.

But she's not.

No, but she went somewhere. She took herself there to a retreat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where- She's in isolation.

Yeah, But self-imposed.

Yeah.

Self-imposed. Whenever she decides to come out with more music or whatever, it's going to be bops and everyone's going to love it. But she just doesn't want to be in the scene.

I think that might be how you perceive it, but that's not true. I do believe she's released music somewhat recently, and she does a lot of live streams. She does a lot of live streams. Yeah, to promote. I don't know if the self-imposition is- What was she talking about recently? She's always saying crazy stuff. That's my queen right there.

What was her subject? I I just saw her talking about something. I have no idea what it was. I have no idea what you're talking about. Really? Mm-hmm. She was just going viral. I mean, she's always going viral. Going viral. She was yelling at everyone.

Slay, mama.

But I forget why.

I don't care. Sometimes people need to be yelled at.

Yeah. I forget why. I forget what impression it left me with. No clue. Yeah, that's not someone who's caring about.

No, but do you remember the year where everything Doja Cat made was the biggest thing on the planet?

Why don't you say so?

I didn't even notice no punches left to roll. The fact that I know that whole TikTok dance, and that song actually just brought me back to such a dark time. She was like the queen of 2020. She was somebody who got like, lifted up in COVID. I actually think COVID's impact on the Kea asylum can't be understated. There's definitely like a COVID wing. People who had a lot of momentum leading up to COVID, and then COVID changed all the culture and sidetracked their career. Also, some people- Quibi. Quibi. Some people who wouldn't have ever been famous had it not been for COVID, and people losing their minds and thinking like, Yeah, I'm going to listen to this. You know what I mean? I feel like the impact of COVID on Taylor Swift's career can't be understated. Folklor was a successful album due in part to the depression everyone was experiencing.

Yes. And the cancelation of Lover Fest was probably a good thing.

A good thing for her, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, just COVID continuing to make impacts.

Yeah. You know, when people in the industry talk about Say So, the song.

Do people in the industry have conversations?

They talk about Say So, that's the template. She did something totally new and everyone's been trying to chase it ever since.

She also created a new sound. People are always trying to make new sounds. She created a new sound that was good and that people copied.

Yeah. People are like, I was going for Say So.

Oh, do they say that? Yeah. When I create music, I'm always going for Love Myself by Hailey Steinfeld.

Oh, that's nice.

Whenever they want me to send references, I'm always sending Hailey Steinfeld's catalog of music.

You should meet her. I feel like you guys would be friends.

I like how you say that. I've had the option and I turned it down.

I would love to. I feel like you like... I respect her. When you think about celebs that you would want to meet and be friends with, obviously, it's Taylor, Hailey, whatever. But I think you and Hailey would be really close.

I agree. We both love music. We both could have pursued music as full-time careers, but decided our talents were better suited in other places. We both are married to insane athletes.

I think Josh and Ben would get along.

He loves a Josh. He does love a Josh. She's, you know, preggy.

Yeah. She's in her mama era. New Yorkers. Yes, New Yorker. The Elk of New Yorkers.

Both former friends of Taylor Swift.

I think that you should pursue a friendship with her.

Now that we've had this conversation.

I feel like Miles Teller's grandma. You could be friends with.

What if you just called Haley up? Yeah.

What if you asked her to lunch?

I do always leave supportive comments on her Instagram, and I've never even received so much as a like. So I'm getting the vibe, but she's not interested in reciprocating a friendship.

I don't think she's noticed yet, but I feel like if she knew.

Okay, here's my application for being Haley Steinfeld's new friend. Stuck in the dark, but you're my flash light.

Okay, not going to go well.

You're getting me, getting me through the night.

Oh, man.

No matter when you're shining in my eyes, no matter me, it's a sweet life. I also hate Anna Kendrick, if that helps.

I think we just blew it.

No, I think our chances are better than ever. Everybody loves That's literally us have to texting each other, the most vile, nasty gossip. Everybody loves us. It's true. You're not seeing double, you're seeing trouble.

That's true.

Dream gas.

You're not seeing creamy double. You're seeing creamy trouble.

So, Chilling. Everybody loves us. Chilling. Today's Thursday. No special segments.

Actually, we do have a special segment. Me recapping Southern Charm. Okay. I know the Southern Charm community It means that. Things are getting crazy.

I hear it's getting bad out there for Craig fans.

It's getting bad out there for the Craig fans and for Craig self. We should have him on. I have questions for him. I have questions. I'll do my recap at the end because I know everyone's waiting with baited breath. Also, major news in my household, I got back into my Hulu. I went to Hulu- Just in time for the Secret Lives of Norman Lives premiere. I went to Hulu with Zack last night. I was like, because we were going to watch JFK, and I was like, We'll just make a new account because every night it's posing an issue.

We'll succumb to corporate greed.

We were just let in. Thank you, Hulu.

Oh, they opened the gates.

We watched one episode until I realized Southern Charm was on last night, and we also watched that together. So we did one in one.

Okay.

I watched the episode, the one they keep talking about, page six at the end or whatever.

Right. So now the world knows.

Why was he putting on her skirt?

Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe the boat gets wobbly.

But that's what happened, though, on the actual boat. But don't you feel like the actor playing JFK Jr. Doesn't give off the vibes of a guy who puts on your shorts?

So here's the thing. You think his poor performance is a referendum on the actor. I do. I'm interpreting it as a referendum on JFK the Man.

It's not because now every news outlet is posting their archival interviews with JFK Jr. And I see him outside. He was hosting an event with Paul Newman. He was so that guy. He was so handsome and so smart. And maybe behind closed doors, he was a weaning who was putting on. But I don't get that vibe whatsoever from his front-facing interviews.

But it's not like the things that he's saying. It's like the things that he did, like bringing her to his sister's dinner without telling either her nor sister.

Yeah. And in the show, it's giving... He's like, Ditsy and Losery, but maybe in In her life, he wanted to test her.

And you know what? He's acting without intention, like the men of Bravo. He is. He is.

He is Jessie Solomoning. Yeah.

And Austin Crawling. A thousand %. And West Wilsoning.

A thousand %.

Intention.

One other thing. Don't you Who do you feel the real Carole and Missette looks like in real life? This isn't going to ring true for our readers.

What do you mean?

In our personal life, don't you feel like she looks like our friend Casey? Like, they're twins.

Oh, I have to look at her now.

Oh, they're twins. You need to catch up in fall. There's one more episode and then one more coming out, I think, tonight at midnight. Yeah. So I guess Monday Love Story recap? Sure. Okay.

Love Story. I could talk- It's so weird that that's the name of it.

Endlessly about the show.

And also, Ryan Murphy, when he did American Crime Story OJ, then it was like, he's going to do a lot more American crime stories. I think he did Versace, and that was it.

Monica Lewinsky.

Oh, that was three American crimes? Mm-hmm. So we'll get more love stories then.

Oh, is love story a category And this is just the first untold Jake Paul, Lamar Odom?

It can be because American Crime was OJ. And what did I just say? Versace.

Got it. Was Monica Lewinsky in American Crime?

I don't think so because you just said- Oh, I'm sorry.

I didn't understand what you were saying.

You didn't understand.

Okay, yeah. American Crime, Ryan Murphy. Good question. So it's like a category. Yes. So season one was OJ, two was Gianni, three was Impeachment.

Okay.

And then he also does Monster, which is like serial killers. Domer was the first season. Second season was Eric Menendez and Lyle Menendez. Got it. So now Love Story. Got it. So he has these franchises. Oh, I like that. I never put that together.

Yeah. So what do you think the next Love Story should be? I feel like he should do... There's so many.

That's a great question. Thank you. Actually, an amazing question. Hold on. I really want to think.

You know what I would like? Elizabeth Burton, Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. I love that. Someone explained that they got married and divorced, and she also had time to get married six other times. I love that. Yeah, that's a blind spot for me. Me too. And that's a great one. Kim loves her, and they're like...

Kim could play not Elizabeth Taylor, but maybe a receptionist or something.

I think Kylie should play Elizabeth Taylor.

Let's talk about Kylie in the Do you see the clip of her?

Of course.

Apparently, she's only in the film for one scene. Yeah, which I watched. And it was literally some of the best acting I've ever seen in my life. She out acted the fuck out of Charlie XX, who was doing... I mean, obviously, I don't know how to act, but I feel like it's supposed to be not so drama. It's supposed to be all in the subtleties.

But I also don't know the context of the scene.

I think Charlie is supposed to be playing very frazzled.

She just came from a session with Maria.

Who I want to say is a guru of sorts.

Or a facialist. Maybe. And then And then she runs into Kylie, and she's obviously having a manic episode, and Kylie is playing herself, heightened.

Cool girl collected. Cool calm collected.

Also a little bit condescending, but sweet.

A very industry like, Oh, You must be so busy.

Yeah. And she really slayed.

She went to the Timothée Chalamet School of Acting. I don't know if he passed on a coach or coach- It was so impressive. And I feel like the Kardashian's a couple of times have waded into acting outside of Kim's now acting career. Kim was in a movie once, and Courtney was in- Date movie. Courtney was in the She's All That. And whenever the girls act, it's very camp and it's not good. This, seriously, she needs an agent. It was so impressive.

She looks like Elizabeth Taylor, don't you I think. Elizabeth Taylor. Don't you think?

I do.

She looks like her.

Yeah. Body on point, hips, very feminine. Face. Yeah. Free idea. That's a great love story.

Okay, what's another one?

I don't know. Maybe the Jacqueline Follet, Tourny Lou, Freebush love story.

That's true.

I love that. Or- It's literally, by the way, love story is literally famous couples throughout history.

I'm not okay.

It's a giving prom theme.

I'm not okay. It literally is. We could also do, even though at this point, I feel like the story is told, but it might be time for a fictionalized or a scripted version, David and Victoria.

Oh, wait. That's really good. Thank you. Is that a story?

No, but it was Victoria wish Brooklyn had a birthday.

It was Brooklyn Beckham's birthday yesterday, and she posted these just honestly pathetic pictures of them. It's like, clearly, he was their first born. Change their lives. All these pictures of the three of them. And she was like, Happy birthday at Brooklyn Beckham. We love you so much.

And then- It was pictures of them with him as a baby, one and two years old.

So sad. It was heartbreaking.

The boy mama in me.

I know. And then I do want to say, Nicola also posted a video. She set up this donut cake and a bunch of presents. And honestly, he looked really happy. They have a nice life. It was a nice video, too. I don't know. I'm just like, it was really sad. I'm sick.

Yeah. And she's, even though he did what he did- She still loves. She doesn't hate enough to not love and wish him happy birthday.

Oh, sick. The Beckham's is a great one.

Thank you. Look forward to that.

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Thank you, You are, T. You're welcome. Our first story, Trader's winner, Rob Roche, gives Maura Higgins a Burgundy Airmays Birkin on Watch What Happens Live. The story has come full circle. Rob, who betrayed Maura on Trader's, shared on the reunion that Maura said if he got her a Birkin, that all would be well because he won over 200 grand by betraying her. So last night, they were both on Watch What Happens Live.

Andy was in an amazing mood. I think he's very taken by Mora. No, because I know what you're going to say. A lot of times, when there's a young hot thing, Andy perks up. He loves the young guys of Bravo, and he's mean to the girls, but always nice to the guys. No, he was very taken by Mora. Mora had the first seat. He was like, I tink. He was being really funny. He was giving O-G Andy. I think he was just excited to be in the presence of a really fucking fabulous young girl. I think it's very exciting for Andy that Traitors is so popular and it's on Peacock, so he gets to make it about himself a little bit. I think he was excited. It was a great... It was like a vintage episode.

Yes. Rob gifted Maura the Birkin that he got her. So it was a very big journey for the Birkin yesterday. Rob went to Madison Avenue consignment with...

Jake Shane. I meant to text him like, What were you doing there? I still haven't gotten clarity on his involvement.

Yeah, nobody knows Jake Shane's involvement, but Jake Shane was there because Jake Shane is always there.

He's going to be there. And I love that. I don't know somebody on the internet who is so universally liked by both his peers, but also the fans. Because sometimes Somebody blows up and all the comments are like, I don't understand the hype or whatever. He is so genuinely funny, and he's also a nice guy. So everyone who comes on his podcast becomes his friend. He's very affable with both the fans and his peers alike.

I don't think Jake Shane has haters.

I think Jake Shane has one hater.

Do you know?

Do you know what I'm going to say?

I do think I know what you're going to say.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I just think he has... I do. I do. I do think he has one hater.

I don't think there are communities that organize talk shit about Jake Shane because there's really nothing.

No, I haven't ever gone, but I doubt there's a Reddit thing about Jake Shane. He's just the best. Yeah. He's Jewish, though, so he probably... And he's friends with Sophia Richie, our Zionist queen. So I'm sure there's Oh, there might be that. There might be that. But other than that, who could hate Jake Shade?

No.

Everybody loves him. But actually, we say it as a joke when everybody hates us. And he like, It's serious. We're being for real when we say it, because usually we're saying it as a joke.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we know that you guys are discerning and that you know when we're joking and when we're serious. Yeah.

The fact that we have so many haters, genuinely blows my mind. It's really true. My mind is blown. I meant it when I said it. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Anyways, Rob spent the day with Jake shopping at Madison Avenue Consignment, at Madison Avenue Consignment.

Because a lot of people were like, The bag is fake. You can't just walk into a store and buy a Birkin. And while that is true, you can buy a second-hand. Most people don't even buy Birkins at Hermes.

No, you can buy them second-hand from a consignment shop. They're more expensive. They're more expensive. But also this one looks to be fresh out of the box. Like, apparently, Rob was wearing gloves. He said, No one has ever touched this Birkin with their hands until Maura. He also shared that Lisa Rinna was helping him get a Birkin. He was going to go to Paris because if you want to get one from the store today, you either have to be a client with a lot of history or- Not even.

They order it. You can't just get one today.

But maybe someone could. Right. Or travel around the world. You have You have to pull major strings.

Some of the stores are a little bit more lenient. You can get a leather appointment in Paris.

Yeah. And you have to pull major strings, which if you've never shopped there before, you can. You can, yeah. So Lisa Rinam was helping him. He was going to go to Paris. And then this came about where he was connected with Madison Avenue Consignment. It's obviously sponsored because I've said Madison Avenue Consignment three times now.

We're ready for our Birkins, Madison Avenue Consignment.

And it's really brilliant, but he still owes her Birkins because- Yeah, because he didn't pay for it. It was supposed to come from the prize fund.

Now, also, I want to talk about Lisa Rinna, who's really having a moment. I feel, and I was like a Lisa Rinna on house. I was like, I was not ever really on her side. I was one of those people who was glad that she left. And then afterwards, I was like, Wait, she's necessary. And then I've been hearing really good things about her book, which she's been doing press for. It just came out. People are mad that she said this thing about Sutton, that she had a weird body. But beyond that, the book is getting rave reviews. And I do feel like she's really interesting. I only know her from 2016 on, but I forget that she was that girl for a really long time in Hollywood. She I married Harry Hamlin. You can just be nobody. I think I might read her book. Now that I read, I read before bed.

I think it would be a good one. Like Melrose Place. She was there for all of it.

The Nicolette Sheridan of it all.

Nicolette Sheridan.

She used to be married to Harry Hamlin, and I believe they have a child together, right?

Really?

Yeah. Let me just triple check before I just make stuff up, but I'm almost fairly- No, I don't think that that's true.

I think it's something with Michael Bolton. Michael Bolton.

No, he does. Dimitri Alexander Hamlin. Parents are Harry Hamlin. Oh, no. And Ursula Andress. Children of Nicolette Sheridan. Oh, she doesn't have kids. Okay, my bad. I was confused.

Yeah. I mean, we could learn all about it in- In her book. Right. Yeah. And the traitors. And I'm sure she planned it this way, for traitors in her book to coincide. But also I feel like she's really riding the traitors wave, and she's like, teamed up with Rob. They're doing a bunch of shit together. I feel like it's so Rina because I feel like she would otherwise be mad at him because he really did throw her under the bus, but she knows it's better for her to be aligned with him. She's a businesswoman. Yeah, and she's not going to take it personally.

It's not personal. It's not business. Do you feel like a return to Bravo is in the cards for Lisa? Her Q-Score has gone up immensely just over time. Time heals all wounds. She's very big in fashion. She goes to a lot of the couture. Couture? It's couture, honey. Do you know that sound? Couture? No. It's a trending sound on TikTok where she's wearing this really crazy, I want to say it's like, Scaparelli. It's like costumy outfit. She's at Paris Fashion Week, and one of the Parisian reporters is like, Is this couture? She's like, It's couture. But it looks at it. He's like, Is it couture? It's couture, honey. Check the label. It's the funniest interview ever. It went viral on TikTok. She's very big in fashion in a serious way with her girls. I don't think she needs to return to Bravo. I think she could. I think at a time when she wasn't asked back and she was hated by the fan, it was devastating for her. But she really picked herself up by those bootstraps in in a way that only Lisa Rinna could. Yeah. And that's what she was saying on Traitors, which I do understand.

Everybody on this show and people watching the show know her from the last eight years. But she was Lisa fucking Rinna before all of that. So I could see her not wanting to return. She doesn't need it.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I would welcome it. I think she was happy when she wasn't on Housewives. I think she would be happy to be on Housewives whenever this all settles down, Traitors in the book. Maybe she'll see how she feels, but I think she could really go either way.

Is she still really tight with Erica?

Yes, I think so. I don't have reason to believe that they're not.

I'm ready for a Lisa to return.

I like the idea of bringing back Old Housewives, even if they did need a break. Yes. You know? So I think we should normalize that concept. Yeah.

And she was on Watch What Happens Live, and I guess I didn't realize that she had left it poorly with Andy. Yeah.

And he wrote about her in her book in a way that she didn't like. He shared her text messages.

Yes. So that was the big betrayal that she felt. But I guess her going back to Watch What Happens Live was like a...

Yeah. And he gave her a big...

Moment.

Ode to Renna.

Yeah.

Not like an apology for anything, but a moment of appreciation. Yeah. It was nice. For Lisa.

I think it was as close to an apology as Andy can give a housewife. Yes. He's Andy and their housewives.

Well, Maura got her in burgundy with gold hardware, which is what she requested.

This was what she wanted.

And I'm very happy for her.

I'm happy for her, too. She was fabulous on Watch Revenue Live. I was thinking about what you were saying about how the traders will end up being this huge amazing thing for her because she will now become a fixture in fashion and in media in these states. She does major things in the UK. She's a correspondent. She goes to whatever their version of the Oscars is, the Baptist. But she doesn't really have that recognition here, and she's just really making the most of this moment. And I do feel like it will end up converting for her. She's going to be... I'm trying to think of a comparison. Almost like a page to Sorbo.

It's a situation like all press is good press.

Yeah.

She could be an influencer. I think she has TV The aspirations and also- Correspondent. Yes, but I feel like also being in movies and television. Fabulous. So not just being an influencer because she has that on law. Of course.

She pays her bills quite fine.

Yeah, she didn't have to come to the States for that, but I think she She owns Hollywood.

Are we to believe that she doesn't own any other Birkins? Like, this is her first?

So I don't believe that. And I feel like if we cruised her... She never said, this is my first Birkins. She said she wants a Birkin. Okay.

She definitely has.

Yeah, she definitely has. Or like a Mini Kelly. Yeah, for sure. But no, she's not trying to make us think that she doesn't have one.

I think she's really tight with Lisa, too. That was the vibe I got from March Reven's Live.

Oh, cute. That's a good, nice friendship. Are you ready for our next story?

Did you see the cut? They make the worst fucking takes on traitors. I don't know who their correspondent is on the traitors beat, but they were the one who wrote the article, Michael Rappaport's running traitors and saying that housewives shouldn't be allowed on traitors anymore.

I saw the headline, but what was the argument?

I guess they're too emotional and drama.

But it's reality television.

It's such a bad take, too.

That's really the thesis?

That pulls people in.

Wait, that's really the reason.

I only read the first two lines. Stop quizz me. I don't know. Oh, sorry.

Okay.

I'm just a girl who read the headlines like everyone else.

But any good essay should be able to establish your argument in the intro. Let us know what we're in for.

Sorry, I didn't even read the intro. I just read, seriously read the headline in the first sentence.

And then prove your points in the body. I'm sure they did. And then summarize it.

I'm sure I would just disagree with it. The housewives are the most interesting part, especially for someone like me. I think a lot of people who watch who just are a part of the Bravo universe. I don't watch survivor. I don't watch Big Brother. So what are you talking about? They're huge gets. Some perform better than others. Dorinda, like stunk it up. But who cares? Fine.

For plenty of other people who are in a house, I stunk.

Agreed.

So that's not cool. Yeah. Stupid take.

Bad take.

Yeah. But I would like to the argument before I officially adjudicate. You can read it yourself. Before I officially adjudicated on a matter... You're obsessed with reading cut articles that you hate.

They're always making the cra... And I guess that's the point. Provocative headlines. But they're always dumb and bad. That Michael Rappaport one really pissed me off because that was like some of the best traitors when he was on. Yeah. Michael Rappaport is ruining traitors. No, your article is.

If you're a traitor and you know it, clap your hands. Are you ready for our next story? Mm-hmm. Some drama. The Men are Fighting. Chase Stokes slams Morgan Evans' masculinity over his remarks about Kelsey Balerini divorce on Bobby Bones podcast.

And Bobby Bones got involved and really took Morgan Evans' side, which I feel like was a big deal. But we have to separate all the people here.

So Morgan Evans, ex-husband of Kelsey Balerini.

Subject of her ERP that really went viral and made her a household name, rolling up the welcome mat.

And subject of her call Her Daddy interview about her divorce, Morgan Evans, who's also a country artist who doesn't share that much about his personal life and just puts out music.

He really went off the grid for many years after Kelsey's... After his divorce. He moved to New Zealand, and he's just now resurfacing with a fiancé, I think, or a girlfriend, some new music in a very small, non-threatening way.

And so he went on Bobby Bones' podcast called Bobbycast, and they dealt a little bit into his divorce from Kelsey. So in the interview, he admitted that he was not expecting the conversation when Kelsey told him that she wanted a divorce in 2022. He said, I definitely wasn't expecting it.

Were you blindsided or were you just blind?

And it took me by surprise. But yeah, that whole time is such a blur. It It almost feels like somebody else just from where I'm sitting now. I just look back and I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, it was just a whirlwind, life-changing moment. Elsewhere in the interview, he argued that he was characterized unfairly in the narrative surrounding his divorce from Kelsey. He said, In my case, it didn't feel like it necessarily had a lot to do with me. I think maybe I was presented or made out to be or became an archetype for any guy that had done any woman wrong during that period of time. Some of the stuff was just like, What? What are you even talking about? It doesn't not hurt, especially if it was real or something. And then I'd click on whoever said it and just have a look and just be like, Oh, yeah, it's okay. That looks like somebody going through a tough time.

Yeah. Because the album became this empowering thing for women who had been scorned, he did become like a punching bag almost. And everyone was relating to Kelsey in their situations, which were much worse. Now, Kelsey in her interview told a lot about the marriage and in the album, a lot about the marriage. He never did anything really bad. He just wasn't an amazing husband, and they really were not well suited for one another as they grew up. And they grew apart. Yeah. But then everybody started to put their trauma marriage and be like, Yeah, he's a Morgan Evans. It became like a verb, almost. And so I feel like he's never talked about his divorce, his reaction to being the subject of this viral album, this viral interview, this viral moment. So six years later, however many years it's been, he talks about it in a still really respectful way. And Kelsey has even written music and spoken about how she does regret a little bit how much she shared. She wrote the song The Revisionist, about that, just like, Did she share too much? And whatever. And he's not even so mad. I thought it was such a nothing interview.

And then Chase leaves this crazy comment.

Chase commented saying, This is about the most pathetic excuse of masculinity I've ever seen. Get a fucking life in the comment section of the interview from Bobby Bones. So then Bobby Bones- You also deleted it. Replied to that comment and went off on Chase. Also, he did delete the comment. He's like, If you're going so hard, go all the... Who goes... That's so crazy. Honestly, we need a wellness check on Chase Stokes. This is his insane behavior.

Yeah, this is the second time where he's done some really wild social media behavior while him and Kelsey are not together. It's giving the vibe that he's a really toxic boyfriend. I actually think this is so crazy, especially because nothing in this interview was really bad or mean to Kelsey. I think if Kelsey, I'm sure she didn't watch it, but I think if she did, she maybe wouldn't find fault. He's allowed to think he was a good husband. That's just what a divorce is. Everybody has their own version of the truth.

And he's allowed to share his experience six years later after she thoroughly shared hers.

A thousand %. I don't think she would take issue with this at all. I think she likes Bobby Bones. I don't think that she's never going to go on the Bobby Bones. I don't think anything about this was bad. The man was beaten to a pulp. Like, literally, he's allowed to say one thing. I get the vibe, but Chase didn't even watch or listen to the interview. He's just doing this like, Kelsey, I'm going to get you back. Look at me defending your honor. It's so cringe. It's so yucky. I believe they're broken up.

Yeah, I hope they're broken up. Me too. This is so yucky. How about you just stop cheating on her?

That's like, toxic masculinity.

You don't need to get in the comments and start yelling at her ex from six years ago. You could just stop cheating on her and be the man that she needs because she's looking for a man with intention right now.

I want to argue what he did to Kelsey was worse than what her husband did.

A hundred %.

His only real crime was maybe not being the most attentive or whatever. Things that are stereotypical in a marriage that's falling apart. Like, nothing bad, no cheating, no stealing, no lying. I would sit down.

Yeah, I would just stop cheating, brov. Yeah, brov. And then stop with the comments. And if you're going to go hard, like Bobby said, leave the comment. Go hard. Be hard.

Right.

He'd be hard. He'd be hard. Chase Stokes, who's also sensitive. Yeah.

I feel like this is his version of a grand gesture on her behalf, and I just know she hates this. Yeah. Seriously, leave Morgan alone. I actually think Kelsey feels now like leave... I think that's her how she looks on the whole situation.

And also, like, excavating more drama between these two isn't good for Kelsey. She's moved on and healed. It's true.

And now you're the problem. Yeah.

Not Morgan.

A thousand %. It's so weird how that relationship turned out because it was really like- Everything. So the men who love women after heartbreak. It was this... How her old relationship became the stereotype, like the archetype of a bad marriage and a bad divorce. It was the eternally hopeful story about- Like a rebound that's the one, and he knows all the words, all the songs. Yikes, bikes.

I think this guy is trouble.

Me too. I'm seeing trouble. The erratic behavior also makes me think...

I don't know, but I don't think I want you to say it.

I'm not going to, but people who act crazy like this.

No, I just think he's crazy and he tries to overcorrect his errors by- Right. His grand gestures. Yeah, with grand gestures that don't really mean anything- That make it worse. That cause issues. And it's like, Just stop cheating, brov, and commit to her, brov. That's it. It's that simple. Be the man that she needs.

Come be the man I need. Tell me you got something to give. I want it. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, it's pretty simple.

That was really crazy of him.

Yeah. Really embarrassing. Loser Sneeze.

Loser Sneeze.

Loser Sneeze. Loser Sneeze. Next. Chloe Kardashian is sharing on her podcast about a bunch of things, including her status with Good American.

Yeah. I feel like we blew this up. Shout out to my girl Georgie, who made the TikTok about it and put me onto it.

So Chloe did a Q&A on Chloe and Wonderland, which is just becoming a great forum for Chloe to discuss Chloe things.

And her family. The fact that they haven't always had this in-house podcast where they can address things head-on, it's such a mistake.

Yeah. So she's addressing speculation about a change in her current role at her brand Good American. So she shared that she's still co founder and owner of Good American. At first, she said, I think you really want to help build the brand as much as you can. And we've definitely done that. But Good American is doing so well, and Good American is strong enough and stable enough to sustain on its own. She concluded that she's still very much co founder and owner of the brand.

I feel like I always bring up this example. Do you know what I'm about to say?

Fabletics? Yes.

Because it's a perfect example of how there was a time where Fabletics was Kate Hudson's Ethleisure Company. They used her. I'm sure she has an equity partnership in the brand, but they used her to act like it was her company. Then it eventually became so big. People forgot, Is it Kate Hudson? I don't even know if she's a part of it. She doesn't post for it. I don't think it's in her bio. It's this way of building brands off of the backs of celebrities, where eventually they're supposed to exist outside of that celebrity and thrive without them. I feel like Good American definitely got to the place where it wasn't like Chloe posting the drops anymore. It's in every major department store, they have their own stores. It crushes. So I feel like they ripped the bandaid off maybe a couple of months ago with removing Chloe from it publicly facing. But people noticed. They didn't notice when Kate Hudson did it.

Yeah, and they just assume that it's bad blood. But no, it's just the next iteration of a brand, like Caroleyn for Road.

Correct. Like removing the celebrity from the center of it. Yeah. Road is doing it slowly as they should. It feels like Good American maybe did it a little too quick. Yeah. It has to be a really one step at a time.

It's also hard, depending on the celebrity. I think Haley will have a hard time ever without it to ever feel like not Haley's brand. And I feel like the same for all the girls in their brands. They're just such brands But, Kim Hudson- Even those skims. No, like, skims. Kim can really never... We'll never think of Skims as anything other... Sorry, we love it and we'll always wear it. But if Kim ever tried to remove herself from it- Oh, that's so funny.

I so don't see it that way. I feel like Kim is so removed.

I would think something went wrong. She's always posting videos of her.

Oh my God, I never see those. I always see just like, Skims. It's like its own company. I never... I feel like I haven't seen her do those try-ons. Like, Guys, we're launching these. I feel like I haven't seen it in years.

I feel like I'm always seeing stuff.

Maybe it's just our algorithms, but I feel like she has really successfully extricated herself from the brand. But she's still always promoting it. She's still posting about it, but I don't even think of it so much as Kim's brand anymore. I think of it as this mega thing she built.

Oh, really? Oh, I I don't have that experience. I feel like for the girls, it will be hard for them because they're just so forward-facing. Kate Hudson does so many things, and it's like, Oh, a fun- Most of their brands. We know about Fabletics, not because of Kate Hudson. And then it's just a fun fact, Oh, it's Kate Hudson? Yeah. So it's not the same- I feel like that's the core issue with Kyla Cosmetics, is that she doesn't really want to be so involved in it anymore, but she can't not.

It's, first of all, literally her namesake. Maybe that's what makes it hard. But I think products only sell when she posts about them. Whereas like, Skims is getting thousands of orders a day, I imagine. And when Kim posts, it's like a little bit of a bump. But the company exists without Kim and her like, supplemental promotion. Whereas like, Kylie Cosmetic, I don't think they get one order until Kylie posts a TikTok. Then it's a of weeks of lots of orders, and then it's like a couple of weeks of lots of orders, and then she posts another one.

Yeah, and that's fine. Keep posting.

Yeah, keep posting. But I think Good American, like with their retail presence, I think that they very much operate without Chloe successfully.

Yeah.

Even with Lemmy. Really? Yeah. Lemmy is all over target.

Lemmy does really well, but it's still to me like Courtney. If Courtney ever stopped posting about Lemmy and Lemmy was still doing further launches and she wasn't posting about it, I would think something went wrong. Now, she could say, Oh, nothing's wrong. You just can live on its own. I'd be like, Oh, okay.

I think that the brand could live on its own without Courtney. I think they have really good... They do great social, Instagram partnerships. They're all over target. Whenever I walk into a place, I feel like she supports, but I think every time she posts, it doesn't necessarily move the needle that much. I think it's It's just funny what takes and what doesn't. Yeah.

But I think with that, she's more so the face of it. Not about direct to consumer, like click this link, but it's the Courtney Kardashian lifestyle. She's like the Gwyneth of- Sprinter. I don't know where that falls into this.

I feel like I don't even know if when Kylie posts Sprinter, if people buy it, honestly.

Yeah, but I don't even know.

I think it's doing well.

That's about. But then Chloe also shared in her Q&A that she has a frozen an embryo that she's considering having another baby either on her own or with her next partner.

But does that mean an embryo has a dad? Yes. So it's Tristan's. Oh, yeah.

So she's another partner. But it would still biologically be Tristan's.

I just feel like he's messed up so much. He's not allowed to say. It's so true. It's her embryo, period.

Yeah. I guess that's fair. Yeah.

And he has a lot of kids. Yeah. So I actually don't feel like he's that precious.

He's always just given his stuff. Yeah.

He literally.

But she said that she wants to give Tru a sister, and she thinks she's obviously grew up with sisters and one brother, so she doesn't feel like Tatum needs brothers because Rob didn't have brothers all as well, but that she really feels like Tru needs a sister, and so she contemplates unfreezing that embryo. I know.

I feel like she had such a bad experience with surrogacy, but I don't know if she would do it again. I feel like that's probably something that plagues her.

But maybe having her expectations now- Having done it already. And having done it, she maybe do it differently and whatever about it that she didn't love, she could change. And she said, true knows that she has a frozen girl in the... She tells people that she has a...

Her sister's in the freezer. Elsa?

Her sister's in the freezer.

Like Elsa. Yeah. That's cute.

But that would be interesting. But I also feel like it's maybe a little different because true is growing up with her cousin so closely.

She's one of the triplets.

She's one of the triplets of Shy, Dream, and True. Storming. Yeah. And then there's Stormaloo. I feel like they have that sisterly- They go to the same...

I think they're in a homeschooling cohort where they made their own school.

And so it might not be what Chloe grew up with, but it's akin to sisterhood.

I agree. I think true would be okay. Yeah. But I think it's more so maybe Chloe wants more kids.

Does Chloe want more kids? Is Chloe going to date? I find it so exciting when they have more kids. I know. I'm itching for one.

You just had one.

No, for them. Oh, okay.

No, no.

No, no, no, no, no. I meant for them. Of course, I don't want to put pressure on Kylie and Timothy.

No, that's definitely happening. Yeah. His partner.

His partner. And she wants a lot of kids.

I just know he watched her in that movie, which is definitely a turnt movie, but her- No, but for his people, I think it's like- A24. It's the highest honor. I think he saw that and probably cried. It was so impressive.

That's his queen right there.

Big time queen. Btq.

So I won't put pressure. I do.

No, of course.

And Chloe, I won't put pressure, but that would just be very exciting.

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I wanted to say something. I think people would find something interesting. Recently, we got an offer to Rehomeio.

Rehome Romeo. Operation Rehomeio.

Ben's parents, which I've always said, if we ever rehome Romeo, just because I'm really not at a place in my life where I can give love to a dog, I would only do it if he went to Ben's parents. He basically has lived there half his life between being pregnant and just taking trips and stuff. So when we saw them recently, they said, We'll take Romeo home with us. And you know what? I said, no. I said, no. I feel like I'm really feeling back to myself. He's not bothering me nearly as much. As he's getting older, he is becoming less annoying. Still not perfect, of course. But I feel like, I think also now maybe knowing I have the real option to rehome, like I'm open more to life's possibilities. But yeah, not to brag.

But did they say, We'll take him or we want him?

Both.

They want him.

Yeah. I know that they want him.

I feel like if they really, really want him, well then who are you to deny them? Right.

But for right now, I think I'm okay. Okay? Yeah. Maybe when we get back to the city, he'll start to annoy me again.

We'll monitor the situation.

But our time here has been really good for me in Ro.

Yeah. Like the Florida sun has been good for Romeo.

Yeah.

For his mental health.

And he's just stopped.

He's stabilized a little bit.

Stabilized. Perfect word.

Our next story, some crazy news. Brittany Spears was arrested in California for a DUI. Yeah, on Wednesday night.

Oh my God, I totally miss this.

Yeah, there's not a lot of information, but she was arrested in Ventura County on Wednesday night for a DUI law enforcement told TMZ. She was handcuffed by the California Highway Patrol around 9: 30 PM Wednesday night, and she was booked by the Sheriff's Department around 3: 00 AM. She was released from jail around 6: 00 AM, according to Inmate Records.

Is there a mug shot?

I have not seen one yet, but we are closely monitoring the situation. Jesus. Yeah. What do you have to say?

On free Brittany? I don't know.

Do you better?

No. My take on D. Y. Is obviously always met with a stern talking to, but I don't think, I wouldn't put her in the same basket as Justin Timberlake, right? I just feel like, those who freed Brittany, maybe shouldn't have, you know? Yeah. I feel like it was never really... For me, and you couldn't say it at the time, right? Because it was like, Free Brittany. Yeah, of course. But it was always like, well, I don't think she should be in this conservatorship, but she should be in a conservatorship. And I feel like it's so terrible that her time in that conservatorship made her worse because they weren't putting her on lithium that she didn't need. And you don't bounce back from that. This is so sad. And obviously, DUIs are my thing, but I don't feel yelling at her. I feel like hugging her. This is so sad. Do you know if anyone else was in the car?

No, there's not anyone else that is mentioned.

This is just devastating.

Yeah. Well, it doesn't sound like she was arrested before she could cause any harm.

Well, that's always good, of course. That's the number one concern.

Yeah, but things aren't like- Looking good. … That sound good.

For Brittany, yeah.

Our fifth and final story is my new favorite category of story for Thursdays, and that's Massinger Reveal.

Oh, yeah. I was keeping up last night, but I didn't know who the guy was.

Yeah, me neither. So the eggplant has been revealed as Jack Wagner, who was this alum from Mauer's Place in General Hospital. He's like a '90s actor, like the male Lisa Rin, I guess.

So his trailer was right near mine. This one doesn't hit for me.

We don't have anything to share.

I'm sure some of the viewers loved him, and it was exciting for them. But for me, where's Philip Phillips?

The theme was Ozfest night, which was not about Wicked. It was actually about Ozzie Osborne.

I'm so glad I missed that. I I don't know one single Ozzie.

Kelly Osborne was a panelist. Let's talk about Kelly Osborne. On the guest panel.

Do you see her at the BAFTAs? People are really worried about her.

Why?

She was looking really frail.

Because of a face?

Face, new face, very frail. She looked like the She looks like her mom, and her mom's- Much older. 30 years her senior.

Well, she was a guest panelist last night for OzFest.

I don't know if everyone at the Maesinger hates me because I did quit, but I would love to be a guest panelist. I just want to put that out there. I feel I would be really good.

Yeah. I don't know if that's going to happen.

I think that ship has probably sailed. But if Kelly Osborn can't make it next week, I am available.

Yeah. And what night would you want to judge? Glee night?

Is there a glee night?

There should be, but there would be a million people that could ask before you.

There are a million people that could ask before me who would say no, but I would say yes.

No, but there are some that would say yes. There are a couple that would definitely say yes.

I would love to... If there was a Broadway musical theater, I would love to do that one. Again, a million people. A lot of people Yeah.

So we need to- So what?

If there's a song, if there's a night, a week where they sing my songs.

No, or a week of pop culture week or something.

Yeah, yeah. Podcast week. Yeah, yeah. I'll do it.

So, yeah, we're getting closer to the end. I'm really, really excited to see who wins. I'm excited to get confirmation. Also, someone gave another good clue about Pacaso. Pablo, Picasso, Philip, Phillips, P, Elegia.

Not a marble. Flip it around, Philip, Phillips. Exactly. Yeah. No, that was a good clue. Like, right in front of our eyes, too.

Yeah. Sort of like Queen Corgi.

Right.

Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited.

So you watched Massinger and Southern Term last night. Kind of a busy night for you.

I didn't watch Massinger, but I am keeping up with the reveals. Me too. Because I'm really interested to see who is competing alongside my sister, who I adore, and I just am very interested in everything to do with it.

It's all about your adoration.

It is. I mean, would I be sharing Mass Singer reveals every week?

I was not being facetious.

I'm so I'm so involved.

Why are you attacking me?

I was saying- I felt like you didn't feel like I was being genuine when I was.

I think you're projecting.

I've never, ever, I don't even, I never even clicked Mass Singer reveals before my sister was on the show. I agree.

I'm agreeing with you.

I I don't know why he was the eggplant.

I think we need to know more about Josh Self. Was that his name? Jack. I think we need to know more about Jack Self in order to understand.

That's a crazy one. You would think it would be like a porn star.

Okay. I guess also if you were Cream, it could be a porn star. Creamy girls. Are you going to do this on the term recap or not?

I know you really want to hear it.

I actually don't because not to... I have to say this every Thursday. As somebody who knows Craig Conover in real life and knows he's a good person, I can't be swindled by what's going on in this show. That's my friend.

So here's what's going on. It's a fallout from the night of Craig.

La, la, la, la, la, Toxic crack stand.

I have some things that I want to share. He yelled at Sally all night long in the car. The thing is, she did antagonize him, but you shouldn't let it go. Let it go. You shouldn't speak like that to anyone, let alone a woman, in a confined space for an hour long car where they can't get out. He's just yelling obsenities at her. They were drinking for 12 hours all day. So the circumstances for which it happened are not good, and it should never have happened. However, now it's the next day, and it's like, let's deal with what's happening. Let's try and make it right. An apology It can go a long way.

I mean, look at us in Hilley Chalasmin.

The next day everyone's just like, yeah. It's like, has anyone heard from Craig? And he's just in his room till three o'clock where he goes and has lunch with Whitney. And I just want to say the star of last night's episode, it was between Shep and Whitney. Whitney is so growing on me. She's so hysterical, some of the things he says. Zack was cracking up. And I don't know if I've just never seen him in this light, or he's just like... He's barely on the show, but when he is, he's just like funny. A delight? Not a delight, but just funny and weird. And you can appreciate him for who he is. So he's having a good showing, as is Shep, because he's just like, I've been where Craig is the morning after, like, hating yourself. He's like, Nobody's madder at Shep at Craig right now- Than Craig. Then Craig is. I just want to be there for him. He needs support and he needs his friends. It's just the worst feeling in the world. Now, unfortunately, Craig's not really projecting that much- Apologetic? Apologetic. Apologeticness and shame as he should.

You must humble yourself always.

And he was like, you know what? Obviously, I reacted too much. I shouldn't have done that. And Whitney is like to him, Maybe you should apologize. And Craig's like, to who? To who?

Like, to who?

I'm Sally, Austin, Charlie.

Where do we begin?

Charlie's done with him, by the way. She was in the car, and they were like, they had something nice budding. And part of Craig's grievance with Sally is like, Sally's completely coming in between Charlie and Craig. And she is. She's like, Charlie, why don't you tell me about your relationship? And meanwhile, she's like, Craig's the worst person. So of course, her best friend disliking the man she's interested in has made their relationship slow to progress. But again, you don't break someone in the car for an hour. And so now Charlie saw this very ugly side of him, and she's like, I'm done. And I can totally understand that they barely even... They have only kissed, and it's like, I just saw the worst side of you. Why would I ever want to get into a relationship with him? Right. Take us further. So then they did this big healing thing, they all were in a sweating tent. That was the whole point of the trip. No, no, no. They went to Mexico for this wellness trip in the last day. A yurt? Yeah, they were in a yurt, sweating it out. I love a yurt.

Of course, Whitney did not sweat it out because Whitney would never... That's the king right there. Whitney, he said he hates hippies. He said he went to a hippie school growing up, and that's why he hates hippies, and he's turned to punk rock instead. So he's just on the outside judging everything. But at the end, he does come in for one big jump, which is just funny. So they're all sweating it out. And everyone, I think it's very cathartic moment. And even like, Craig and Vanita, they wound up it like holding hands because of the exercise. And it could have been a moment of forgiveness. And I feel like Craig has missed his opportunity to apologize. And he needs to apologize because his behavior was totally wrong, and he's just not seeing that the next day. But I just wanted to shout out to Shep because I feel like he's really matured over the last year, and he's been such a good friend.

I mean, better late than ever.

Yeah. He's been a good friend to all of the guys as much as he can be and It gives pretty good advice that he can't take for himself. But I really appreciated his take on, Yeah, everyone's upset and everyone had a horrible night, but it's easier to be the person who had someone yell at them versus the next day being the person who feels a lot of shame and it's very isolated. So I thought Chep took a very mature approach to that. It also seemed like Craig and Austin reached a little bit of a during the yurt, but next week is the finale and all goes to shit again.

And hopefully it's never Craig's fault, No, but I'll be curious to see if he does eventually apologize and just own up to his behavior and the drinking.

And it was just it got to a bad place, and I feel like it's fair for him to not be in the best place right now. But he has to open up and share that with people and not just push through. Be destructive. And just justify what he did because that wasn't cool.

Well, there's always next week, Craig. I believe in you. Yeah.

And sometimes you need a minute to process. It's not like, and You want the apology to be genuine. So you want the person to feel bad. True. Immediately after they don't feel bad because it hasn't dawned on them yet. I can give a little more time, but let's get to that apology. How about that apology?

Anything on tonight?

Yeah. Beverly Hills. Oh, right.

And I did catch up.

Beverly Hills.

I don't know if I'll be able to watch in between all my reading. I read again last night.

Oh, speaking of reading, Redheads will be out today.

Wow.

It's all ready to go. It'll be up right after this.

So go listen to that now that we're done.

Now that we're done, it's safe to go back to bed.

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