Transcript of Episode 950 | "The Honey Bun"

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Yes, facts, facts.

We in a great mood today. We looking good, smelling good. I would start with a prayer, but we protected by our Lord and Savior up above. Uh, we pray for, for patience and, and discipline and the strength to deal with all the weirdness going on on Earth. We was talking about, uh, the honey bun shit.

What's the honey bun?

Please explain this to me.

And I was— the honey bun on your bed in jail.

Oh, oh, this doesn't sound good.

Now I want to say I ain't jail, man, so I don't know all the jail rules. So sometimes the internet teach me about the jail rules. So I saw a clip, homeboy, he said, yo, don't eat the honey bun if you go to jail, if you see a random honey bun on your bed. Nigga was like, why? He said, well, If you eat the honey bun that wasn't your honey bun—

huh?

So whoever put it on your bed is going to come now. You know, give that honey bun back. Yeah, you like I ate the honey bun. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! It's in there. It's in there. It's in you. You ate it right? Oh, I still need that. I gotta go get that.

Oh shit.

So he said he woke up and homeboy was pounding him out. What from the, from the back. Like, he felt sharp pains. That's where the vid cut off because I saw a reactor there. He was like, what the fuck?

I saw Wills.

Shout out Wills. So I was like, I never been in jail long enough. Like, the longest I ever did is long enough when, when they took too long ponying up the bail money, and I'm looking at the clock. So maybe call it 32 hours. Sheesh, 34.

That's okay.

But if somebody would have put up— no, they moved me from, hey, where the bailout niggas go, to general pop, man. I was like, what the hell is going on here? But anyway, if they'd have put honey bun in my bed, like on some snack shit, like just on some hungry—

here you go, look out, now you gotta get this down.

I'm like, ah, somebody, somebody heard focus. Yeah, for the next 40 years, 100% would have ate that honey bun. In Hudson County, in Hudson County, they didn't do that to me. Shout out to everybody in Hudson County. And niggas look out for you when you can rap. If you spit a few verses, a honey bun, ooh, snack time.

Yo, shut the fuck up.

Spitting verses, all right?

Yeah, you gotta play with it.

Frosted honey bun.

Niggas got Snickers bars on your bed, muffins.

Well, I ain't really a Snickers dude, but a honey bun— You would have been a snickerdoodle.

That's crazy.

We gotta fight if I wake up and you fucking me.

I would hope so.

I didn't get to that part. I didn't get to that part in the video to hear what dude did, but dude lying. When you get out, nigga, square up. When you get out, you gonna be weak for nothing.

Hey, yo, come on.

What's up with you?

Yo, you said when you get out, we gotta square up.

What are you—

what are you talking about?

Out the prison?

That's not what I meant, boy.

Oh, you meant get out your ass?

You fucking freak.

Y'all are disgusting.

Sometimes I think when I open with a topic, y'all would share what y'all would do in that, but y'all just look at me.

I'm going home.

Ice, you eat a honey bun, nigga.

I'm not eating no honey bun.

Ice, you somebody's Icee Onna, nigga. You Icee Onna, nigga. You ate that honey bun.

Fam, Ice is going home.

You ate that honey bun, nigga.

I'm not making it there.

But if you happen to be there, I ain't going to jail neither.

You can't dictate if you make it there. Ooh, cup of noodles, that's free.

No, you don't.

Yes, he will.

No, he can't.

He can't dictate that.

You will get him all the information he need.

Yo, my nigga, you could go to jail without having a co.

It's a fact.

Then what happens?

Well, Ice don't commit no crimes, bro.

You could— it could be a mistaken identity or something.

The innocent in the jail.

Yeah, then you—

hold me down, please. They ain't putting one honey bun on free shit. They going to come with a bucket, a barrel.

That nigga got Sweet Shark cooter.

It's going to be a group. It's going to be a few niggas in there.

He going to be icing.

That was nasty, bro. Why y'all got to start out being gay?

Y'all, y'all, y'all.

Y'all gay.

Free the nigga said it's a pack up.

The whole little Debbie cart on your shit.

Free going to lay in that shit too.

Y'all nasty, bro.

What's wrong?

Free's head going to be banging on his Apple Watch. You got Apple Watch in here, boy?

Oh man, for you to connect.

Yo, y'all don't have to be gay this episode. Shout out to all our supporters from the LGBTQIA community.

And the plus.

Plus, and the prisons, word, because you niggas got iPads and walking and they be listening. I hope to never see none of y'all, but it's— I'm gonna see y'all one day. It's gonna happen. No, they're gonna make something up. Wrong, wrong. Hey, you look like somebody, you know, all the Black people. Oh, y'all don't know that.

They may come home. They gonna come home and you may see them. You mean you hope not to see them in prison? You hope not to be in this?

No, I'm not just saying when they come home either.

You don't see so many niggas. I thought about what you said when you talked about the Jay-Z shit, when nigga like, yo, I know you don't like to be bothered, nigga, but so what? Like, it's just something about— I dealt with the same thing this weekend. Like, niggas just don't care.

I live vicariously through you.

You got to just accept the niggas.

You around enough criminals for me. Like, when I see it through your shit, I'll be like, yeah, nah, we got a presence still.

Niggas are too aggressive, nigga. And you just got to respect it. Yo, nigga, who cares if you not in the mood, nigga? I love you, nigga. It's like, all right, my nigga, I love you too, nigga.

That's something you would say.

Are we still talking about the honey bun?

Nah, hell no.

Look at you feeling freaky. Look at you feeling a way.

What are you talking about using the movie?

Fox would have been the one giving out the honey buns, nigga, just on some freak shit. Yeah, Fox is crazy.

Yo, them niggas in jail is freaks, yo. Why you put a honey bun on somebody's bed you want to fuck? Why you ain't got no game?

Why you flirt, bro?

Turn them. Ain't no bitches in there.

Use a little romance. Yeah.

Turn.

You going to turn them out?

Chivalry is dead, I see. Oh man. Oh, Mark, what's up, bro?

Wake it up.

Wake up, man. You cool? I'm great.

Waiting for the subject to change.

All right, well, let's, let's change it. Where's your wedding ring?

Oh shit.

Oh, it's in the— Joe's being funny.

Let's change it then. It's in the cleaners. Wait, where's your wedding ring?

Yeah, I got a new one coming, uh, a silicone one. My fingers are, are fractured. My finger's fractured, so I can't really fit one.

Yeah, well, you're wedding ringing a little bit since I fractured the finger. It's amazing how that works.

Yeah.

So you're getting a silicone one?

It's a bigger size and it stretches.

Why don't you just— wait, well, okay, that's a lot.

We're still gay here on some honey bun shit.

Oh my God.

Yeah, I don't— I buddy tape it when I train.

Yeah.

Oh, Kobe. Kobe, boy.

Yo, you niggas got a lot on the court.

Never mind.

I know.

You know what, I'm gonna just—

you know, I'm gonna take a little dark piece of tape and tie it around my—

yo, these My fans are crazy. They noticed I didn't wear it, and because I tried to put it back on and it didn't fit, that's why. So, um, they noticed and they made like videos about, about it. Like, Flip might be right, Mark's having problems at home.

Don't throw me in there.

That's what they said. They said Flip is on to something.

Don't throw me in that.

You started it.

Talk to them niggas. You right too. Don't throw me in that, boy.

You talking about— hey, I think you, you on the trail.

This is the time you insert a jinkies.

Everything cool at home.

Everything great at home. We did our show together yesterday, my wife and I. I didn't have it there either. Again, this damn finger.

Oh, she just showed up.

That's financial abuse and manipulation. I just want to point out, hey, that's my old trick. Have a gig with them just in case the romance part fall through.

They still got to show—

it's a form of control. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, for sure. Yeah, what's up, Freeze?

What's good, man?

I see you started your gig with yours. That's my man right there. Don't worry, I'm right behind you. I'm about to put mine on kick or some shit. Sit there.

I watched this shit too. I heard her. I said, what?

Oh no, they was in their bag over there.

Yeah, we over there playing GTA.

I love that.

I love having a good time. And you look good. You look better over there. Like, you got a gamer face for real. Nah, he looked like the gamer.

He's like—

you always think of John McCain.

He's like Denzel among gamers.

It sounds funny, but I'm with you. That's kind of what I'm saying. He looked like the Megatron in Game of Thrones.

Optimus Prime.

That nigga look like Odysseus found his way home. Julius Gamer, nigga, in his natural habitat. Big ass game face. Oh, he's sitting there giving some taste.

Yeah, both was on camera.

Nah, she talked out of nowhere.

I said, oh shit. She said, yo, you want me to get out the car? I go, I like— oh, they playing together.

Yeah, we playing together.

Freeze, keep off camera, nigga.

She's coming on camera, bro. I just got my— she don't have a setup yet.

I just ordered all this shit.

It's two rooms.

That's my old move too. Find a star, pour into him, and dick him down. Right, you find somebody got some untapped potential that they're not really seeing without your support, give her a hoodie, give my honey bun, give them a little honey bun, kick them down, make sure they get on camera and speak power into your name. That's right, Mark doing it. Hey, anybody doing it. Speaking of being off camera, Ish was in DC. What's up?

What's up?

How was your—

how was We're in a great mood. We got great topics.

That's when you bring your best mood.

I'm really depressed. I'm just cracking on y'all about it.

DC again? Yeah.

Who was you in DC?

This nigga won't leave home last night. Did you move?

Are you going to?

No.

Shout out to everybody in the DMV.

True.

Showing me mad love and Oh, I know.

That's my boy. That's my boy.

That's my boy.

You know what that mean already. He ain't going to say it. He talking to somebody. You know who you are. You know who you are. This goes out to you, baby. You my everything, idiot, bro.

What you—

you was just performing. What showing— wait, what showing man love means? Like while you was building a house?

He put the D in DMV for sure.

Pot is huge in DMV. Pot is huge everywhere, but—

oh, you talking crazy.

You talking that freak shit, it's huge, huh?

He hemothy. And you was already kind of semi-hemothy pause out there, so now he was hot.

Now you—

no, I should—

He said, who's up?

They was on your dick? Nah, the girls, I mean. Nah, a couple of them.

I don't see any of that. I'm talking—

wait, wait, slow down. Don't speed past that one. You don't see anything?

Answer you. When I'm outside, like, I, I'm at Home Depot yesterday, literally at Home Depot yesterday, and the niggas—

I know that trick.

Nah, I'm staying quiet. I want to hear where you go. Nigga, this story better end with a bang, bro. Nah, seriously, I'll tell you that one night. Hey, I would jump on that dog.

No bullshit.

No.

Yo, dog, in the Home Depot, it's other grown men. It's a little weird though. The grown men was going to get other men in the store to bring them over to meet you. That's him. Meet and greet.

That's him.

That sounds about right though. That shit is crazy.

That's crazy.

So that, you know, that's fire.

No women in there though?

Yes, women that work at Home Depot.

Yeah, this guy didn't do that.

How many days you out there for? From Friday to— when do you go out?

Saturday. Oh, so Saturday, Sunday, Monday.

Flu or drove?

Drove.

I flew down, drove back.

You went to CVS when you was out there?

I ain't got a lot.

You doing something? Did you go to CVS?

You keep driving up, nigga.

I'm working.

Nah, nigga, you bringing some shit back.

What you doing?

I'm going to your trunk.

You keep driving up.

You got a rental connect.

You doing something, nigga.

I used to do that back.

I don't know what you used to—

You up to something, nigga. You had them niggas stay down there.

You was a mule.

No, nigga, you a hard refugian. Nigga, in your fucking house, nigga. You're hiding Mexicans, nigga. Watch your mouth. All right, don't do it. Now listen, Mr. Ish, you doing something and I need to get down to the bottom of it. I want in on what you got going on.

What's your credit like?

Ah, all right, well, can't get it.

You can look at him and guess his credit score. For real, tell the truth. He don't look like somebody that's killing the credit.

And you can look at him and tell that. You can look at him and tell he's an attorney. He look like a solid— I know, I know. Laugh at this gay nigga.

He walked in like a 590.

Internal prison ass nigga, you going through it. Your wife just show up to the spots, nigga. Honey, you there? Nigga, get dressed, nigga. We about to record. You bitch ass nigga, chill the fuck out.

You next.

Yo, bro, you start this though.

So what?

All right, cool.

Say less.

I love all y'all niggas. Don't just leave me alone. Oh man, my credit score— credit score is good now, jumping.

What's good?

Is it in the 7s?

Almost.

Okay, 6'12", right?

Nah, nah, hell, that's low 6, nigga. It's high 6, nigga. I had to do the move.

Keep that to yourself. Yeah, all right. There's a lot that I have to hear about. There's a lot of shit up here that, that is really important to me. I want to hear about Parks and Freeze at Summer Jam. Yes, I want to hear Parks fight his way out of this 38 Special box. Yo, I'm muting up. I want to hear about Mark pulling out the fucking .50 cal on homeboy.

Oh shit.

Like, there's a lot going on.

You pull a gun out on somebody?

Yes. Yeah, yeah, he pulled out that education gun.

He's a motherfucker.

Oh, the nigga on the— I watched that shit this morning.

Oh my God, Mark is— Mark is an asshole. He's a maniac. Um, but for the people born in the 2000s, come on, man, let's have some fun.

What year is this?

What year is this? '91? '98? Yeah, it's '98, right?

Somewhere there.

See, in '98, niggas didn't hear this and say, let's play with him.

No, they didn't.

Nobody said that. Nowhere. It's when I ran away from home to live with my baby mom. She was cooking, she had a car. She was in the hood though.

Stop.

You ain't come outside?

Why not?

She was in the hood.

Joe Budden, 19? Stop playing with me, boy. You just met me when I was grown. Stop playing with me, boy.

Well, you are who you was when you came in here.

I need the buggy even though I look right. Mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2. Mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2.

So glad y'all could be here.

The rednecks up in the mountains to try to slay.

Call me Raspy, tell you what I want you to know, fuck what you ask me.

Probably don't want me to blow.

Ho, what's going on out there? Shout out to J1.

Usually a good nigga even though I'm able to flip. You pay 30 for a kiss, 100 for a pop.

And if we cool off, then I write a hook for a drop.

Whatever's in the We can't really figure this clown out. Where is he from? Jamaica, Queens, Cali, or down south? Let an LA gun hit him, Great Street.

Oh, New York City, what's up out there?

I could let a New York knife poke him with one of my doorways, but I don't want to see no cops smoking.

Somebody tell Paul we riding.

Get ready to auction off the cars you buy. Bump head. Since you like having people with you, get you a hospital with bone bags. Without Dr. Dre, you would just make slow jams. Come up out of that witness protection program. You don't really respect me. Get in your place. If Big was alive, he'd have probably spit in your face. Now I'm doing just fine without you.

That's my pop.

Probably would have made an album about you. So I guess that just leaves me here to get rid of you.

Always for the ladies.

Always for the ladies.

Big Jersey, what's going on? Patronis, what up out there? Subgroups, what up out there?

Nobody fights fair. I just know an instrumental is your worst nightmare. You bad, too bad.

You mad, probably been in your whole hood more than you have.

Yeah, you sold more records than me, but in the streets you going to always be second.

Shout out to all the haters out there. Everybody running around on vacations and all that. Whoa!

Even consider rapping too. This is probably the best thing that happened to you.

Oh my God, sheesh.

Oh, Buffalo, what's going on, man?

What's popping out there?

Everybody up getting their morning cup of coffee and all that.

Yo, last time, whatever advice you into, whatever you need. She's got it. You ever— old nigga, new nigga. Who really the best rapper since Big ain't here? Y'all know the answer to that. When you see, don't ask me. Nothing about us, and don't definitely ask me nothing about— you owe me one, I owe you two.

I would have smacked you with the burner, but I know you too. And I'm not talking to him, I'm talking to you.

Matter of fact, talking to y'all. Life is like walking in your own—

yo, see, this the thing, rap niggas. It's some niggas that could rap really, really well that may not be the greatest at making a diss track. And on the flip side, it's niggas that don't rap the greatest that may make an amazing diss track, and then you have the anomaly of niggas that are aliens and do both. So here you go.

Born after the DJ was talking over the track. Mute the fuck up right now.

Fuck y'all think I make music for? And I'm about to get a gallon of water.

Yummy K-Slay, P-Cutter, and all that.

Fuck they talking about?

DJ Boom and all that.

What are they doing?

Yo, somebody pull that 38 Special freestyle out. We getting right to it, man.

Okay.

All right, pull it up.

We getting right to it.

I got that off cam. 4 minutes and 25 seconds till you end. You know it'd be the kiss granting your last wish. I wouldn't have called him out neither.

I wouldn't have called him out neither. I don't give a fuck about friendship. I wouldn't have called him out neither. Niggas made the right choice. Shut it up, niggas.

Pick on who you think you can pick on. Y'all be shook 'cause we dealing with real thugs.

I can't lie for a while, y'all cats was on us, but now if you can't beat us, join us.

You know, shout out to all the truck drivers, all the teachers out there, all the kids getting ready for college and all that.

Every time you see him, notice the Saint George is with him. He destroys tracks the minute he hears the rhythm. Only a hell of a flow, but his ears forbidden. You think this is a ringtone? Yeah, you kidding. 50,000 records sold, right? Yeah, you kidding. It was his time to go, and he came and did it. He appreciate life and got aired for living. ACP by the leader, good chiba. Sergio Tech sweatsuit, good Adidas. Jewels is invisible that we was supposed to get from them. Used to send them to the store, now we blowing piff with them. Nowadays is different. I was fortunate 'cause I did a lot of listening.

The new era is missing it.

Everybody 357 and 4-5 in it. Drug program, 2 to 4, 3 to 6. They send niggas way out by Lake Michigan.

You should thank God for us, man. Thank God for us up here. It ain't too many outlets that remind y'all of what hip-hop used to sound like. All you fucking new age digital babies, I'm sorry.

Potato with the potato and clap at niggas and broad day though. You know the flow, where it come from and where it go and where it's gonna be at. That's where we at.

All right, we got a great show lined up for y'all. We about to have a whole lot of fun, man.

3 niggas, you don't want none of it.

All right, congratulations, homie, you made history. All right, let's get right to it. 1 million in a short week. At the end of your fucking record, nigga, you know what he did when he put Mayday, you motherfucker. Why did they let Pimp N' Pose sign you, nigga? And you making it look like that's your man. My ass off fighting the champ with a glass jaw in the garden. That's all you see me, couple hood niggas behind stars. Heard you put a couple good niggas behind bars. I might never sell that much, you could bet your last two quarters I never tell that much.

It's not come out swinging.

It's like going to see 50 at a show. Yo, shout out to the whole Queens. It ain't really about that right now. We over that, we owe that.

This is just like a reminder, like, why, why, like, really gonna be for good? I hold a 45 myself and hop out the range on 145.

All right, Mark, you ready?

You ready to go?

You ready to go?

You ready to go?

Is you ready to go?

You ready to go? Freeze, freeze, freeze. Big freeze. Now I gotta melt you. Rank on kids 'cause the niggas I'ma send to do it ain't gonna miss. Straight up pimp. I did real songs with Big, no made-up shit. Look at Barkley! Hey, Bree! Hey, Bree, look at Barkley!

Y'all leave him alone.

Your flow's the weakest.

Oh my God, somebody that can sit in a dark room and do that.

Yo, I'm getting these drops out the way and we right to it, man. We ain't got time to play. Who is that?

Is Mark Lamar Hill pussy? Pussy?

Pussy?

I'm from the Webber— I'm from the Webbernitty era.

It's the network.

Network. All right, Mike Sheck, so good to be here. What episode is this?

950.

Welcome to episode 950 of the Joe Budden Podcast, brought to you by, fueled by, powered by PrizePicks. PrizePicks gang, yeah. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, extremely happy to be here host, Joe Budden, here with the best best fucking piano in the universe. To my right, Queens get the money, Queens Flip is in the building. Flip, what's up with you?

I'm good, I'm happy to be here. Let's get to work.

Good, good. Next to Flip, our good brother, Philadelphia's finest, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building. Mark, what's popping?

Ain't shit, man, I'm good.

Good, good. So happy to be here with you. Next to him, stop playing with him, DC's finest, Virginia's finest, Maryland's finest, Irving Hamilton's finest. West Orange's finest. Livingston's finest. Colts Neck's finest. Red Hook, yeah, stop playing with them.

Big Freeze, I mean not Freeze, uh, Ish is in the building.

Make some noise. Big Ish is in the building, man. So glad he could be here with us. Match the green, that's that Ish hoodie with the camo. It's from the '90s, man. Y'all know what time it is. Ish, how you doing, my brother?

I'm good, dog.

Good, good. Happy to be drained, right? Driving takes a lot out of you. Yo, tell me about it. Yo, you never realize it. Like, when you driving back, like driving home, it's different from flying back. The flight back home is shorter. When you drive back home after you stop at that CVS, oh, around 11 PM too, the pharmacy closed, everything closed, self-checkout is just you in that aisle. And it's mad that I'm in there now. Strawberry durac. Lavender raspberry, thin lambskin, textured, ripped for her pleasure. Ripped for her pleasure. Uh, next is Stop Playing With Him, you could check him out on his channel. Stop playing, Big Freeze in the building. Freeze, what's popping?

What's going on, man?

Nothing much. How you doing?

I'm great, great.

Good, absolutely love that. You caught the, uh, Puma stripe with the sweats. You did it. Appreciate it. You did. You look good. Next to him, man, the khaki shorts won't save him today. He got a rep for his hood. Elmira stood strong on some shit. Big Parks is in the building.

I'm here.

Parks, how you doing, man?

Feeling great, man. How about you?

You didn't call out. I'm good, I'm good. I love that you didn't call out, man. Uh, Po is here for about an hour.

Oh, you are here?

Ain't you leaving Friday? Friday? You're not leaving today.

Where you going?

Today's not Friday.

Yo, it happened to me too. I came in here last Friday and said, how was y'all weekend?

Friday is like Tuesday since I don't go nowhere. Same shit to me.

Just a blur, right?

Now it's fucking staring at each other. I love it though, man. I love it though. It's absolutely amazing. Uh, Corey is here, our new photographers here. Hey, hey, Amanda is here. How are you? Erickson is here. Tanner and Stevon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you very important people out there are here. Come on, let's get right into it. Yes, get right to it. Come on, Park, just go ahead, man.

Want me to hit play?

Yeah, just play it.

All right, let's do it.

Yeah, we ain't got time to play. We here. Let's get to it. We got shit to talk about.

We got shit to do today.

New 38 Spets.

38 Spets.

38 Spets. Everyday I wake, I got new hate. These niggas ride dick so much, they got a due date. Rap is too fake, frontin', they have to move weight. He joined the gang at 37, that was too late. They really ain't give a fuck what a rap dude make. They had wagyu on they plates, we had Q-stakes. Niggas only care about views and how they shoes lace. You had a baby by a bum bitch, that's a fool's mate. JJ, I don't see two white men jumpin' scratchin' you fallin' down the escalator. Brand new 38 Special, brand new special. This is his Jadakiss Jim Jones diss record. He shot a video, it's out now. Turn it up.

Fool me.

Um, Special didn't have these kind of issues because he moves all the way up. I came to talk to these kids on some grown shit. Follow no man, do your own shit, but please make sure you own shit. Don't have a lot of chains with no crib for some Jim Jones shit. Yo Jim, I got a bone to pick.

Got some whole shit talking about how another nigga toes fit when your house on the foreclose list.

He lost his crib at 06 and this nigga still homesick. Let's pause that for a minute. Let's pause that for a minute. Let's get some commentary. Let's get some commentary. I don't want to be striked for just playing 30 minutes of straight music. Let's get some commentary up here.

New 38 Special, my first time hearing this.

Hate the beat.

Wish you would have called me to mix it. That's where I'm starting.

You hate the beat?

I hate the beat and I wish you would have called me to mix it. The mix is horrible.

What do you hate about the beat?

Uh, it's, uh, it's not the right bop for this record for me.

Yep.

Is that true with all beats that are around that BPM? Yes, kind of.

It's, it's the bop more than the BPM. Like, the, the bop is like a late bop, and that's not aggressive enough for me. Like, the sound is aggressive, the big horns and shit, but like, the, the feel of it is like—

so if he hollers, does Well, does the BPM not determine the bop?

It doesn't. It doesn't. The pocket can be the pocket, which is regardless of the BPM. The—

how it falls, how it should live. Let me hear, let me hear some more. Yeah, let me hear. What I really don't get, you won't be a street nigga so bad that you got that. Oh, oh, oh, bitch. All right, it's really the kicks.

The kicks are kind of like behind.

Yeah, something, something is behind.

It's not this, it's, it's laid back.

I understand, we nerd now. Go ahead.

You know how I can tell when a diss track is trash?

We start talking about the kicks and the box and the BPM.

Well, I thought the presentation is super important.

No, no, you're not wrong. I'm just saying if this shit was fire, we wouldn't even be thinking about that right away. I agree with everything you just said. I just—

well, yeah, that's where the critique comes in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Every— I agree with everything you just said. I don't like the beat. I don't I don't like the—

I don't like—

I don't like the tempo, but I also just— this is my first time hearing it and I'm underwhelmed. I'll just say that.

Before we even get to that though, because 38 Special performed at the 7 o'clock stage of Summer Jam.

Yeah.

And he tried to use that moment to go on there and freestyle this to diss, you know, them.

Yeah.

The problem with that is when you're on the 7 o'clock stage, ain't nobody in that bit. Nobody's there yet.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it kind of—

shit, we weren't even in there.

Word. Like, you tried to make a moment out of it at Summer Jam in New York.

They was saying, this is, this is special at Summer Jam, and I'm looking at the crowd like, is it Summer Jam? That don't look like—

we're going to get to that, we're going to get to that, we're going to cover that.

But this was the pre-show, right?

He was on the 7:00 stage.

Summer Jam is on a Friday now, not a Saturday. So a Saturday pre-show used to be Sunday. Sunday, you're right. So we not mad at a Sunday pre-show because ain't nobody at work. Exactly. The people that want to go to the pre-show can go to the pre-show. On a Friday, the pre-show, they fucked that up.

They fucked that up. Like he did a Summer Jam review later.

Yeah, he did a lot of— well, just about special real quick. Yeah, he did a lot of antics even with this. He's walking around backstage Summer Jam with the cameras. I'm looking because I think Kiss, somebody said, was in the militia, or Jim, one of them, excuse me. But he— I'm looking for where y'all at, basically, is what he's saying. And Kiss kind of responded, Summer Jam is the safest place to be because of course all the security, especially if you're performing on the 7 o'clock, uh, early stage. There's nobody there. So you walking around doing these antics, you freestyling, nobody heard it, nobody saw you. It, it's a bad setup to now put this record out and to be this.

Well, I think it missed. I'm not mad at using that opportunity to make a moment.

Like, you have to be there to make the moment.

I understand that, but you don't get that opportunity to be in a fucking arena full of people. If I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Like, it's not even— we can judge it in hindsight because we don't love the record or whatever, but using that moment to preview a diss track even if no one's there and making some moments backstage is the right thing to do, unfortunately, when you're trying to fucking— yeah, make a bunch of people pay attention to you.

You don't like the execution?

Yeah, exactly.

I don't like that. Yeah, but go ahead.

I agree with what you're saying.

Uh, it just seemed like more clout-chasing shit that's been on— like, I've been from the rip.

First of all, and there's a lot of points to hit on this, so I'll try to not speak as slow as I normally do. First of all, anticipation was way too high. Yeah, people were expecting something. He was teasing something. He was leading up to it. You shot a video, you got Fat Joe and Jadakiss lookalikes, right? You're at the Summer Jam. I'm rolling with what Park say— if you bold, be bold, nigga. Do it in they town.

Go ahead and do Joe, that's like when niggas be saying, I'm in your hood, but I'm in your hood at 4 in the morning when ain't nobody outside.

I understand, I understand that, but it's— he's booked to perform at Summer Jam. Facts.

Before all—

pre-show or main stage, that's a big moment, especially for an underground act. Yeah, so he is supposed to go up there and relish. Okay, I'm not, I'm not mad at that. Anticipation was too high to, to under underdeliver. And I think the consensus is that he did underdeliver with this one. Two, I agree with Parks. I didn't think about the bop, but I did think about the BPM. If you dissing somebody, let's speed it up a little bit. Let's get some— it's adrenaline, it's the chakras. It's, it's—

but let me ask y'all a question. If you dissing somebody, regardless of what the BPMs are, if the lyrics is fire, does it really, really matter?

It does.

Yeah, the presentation matters.

It does. The beat is always that's what's gonna matter. How it's received, and a lot of the consumers, the beat is a large part of that. We'll catch what you saying at some other time. The beat is important. But that's they style. He slowed it down. That's my third point. Special's already on record saying, "Jim Jones, you not qualified to even speak in rapper conversations." Okay then, why are we dictating dedicating, uh, I mean, dedicated, I'm sorry, 80%, 90% of a diss track toward Jim Jones. For me, that seems counterproductive if you're that dismissive of who he is, which you said you were. Fourth, I'm totally against dissing Chrissy.

1,000%.

1,000%.

Always.

That's where it lost—

that's where you get to bozo land. Like, what are you doing?

That's where it lost me.

Now, from his perspective, war is war.

Nope.

I just don't think that that's wise. I've been consistent in that. He thinks he's dissing Jim Jones and Jadakiss and whoever, and you dissing Roc Nation and Bird Gang and all the people that all of these people are affiliated with. So that's musicians, that's venues, that's— it's too much to name. If you down to do that, see, I think he think he just doing some rapper shit, which is what I said, on some old school, hey, I came in the game thinking I could rap with everybody, let's rap, nigga, I'm better than you niggas. But that wasn't the game. It's way bigger than that. So if you down to do that, cool. This and Chrissy just seems like a total misstep.

I never loved dissing family, especially this early in the game before we even get to like real mudslinging. Like, this started from wearing a white tee or whatever the fucking Jim Jones initial diss was. Like, we don't need to go to wives.

I agree.

Personal opinion.

Like, again, if you really think you could rap and outrap, then do it. Rap his ass under the bus, right? Like, yo, you, you, you— that low-hanging— yeah, I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of this, but especially Christie, to me.

I'm not a fan of dissing nobody's wife, but some people just are known for minding their business. Some people are known for the silence. Some people, the way they silent is so gangster.

Yeah, you got to respect it.

What are you fucking doing?

Got a soul.

Like, those people, I don't—

I don't—

I—

those people you don't involve in whatever sideshow you doing?

This is, this is new era diss record, which is weird coming from Spesh, who's of age, you know what I'm saying? Like, going to the family and mudslinging is not like the cloth of rapper that he usually portrays.

We lost the plot. Yeah, yeah. This started with him and Jadakiss, and now we on him and Jim Jones and his wife.

Yeah, I ain't like it.

We've left your lyrical ability now, right? Now they judging your song making. You probably blackballed from a few things. It's probably a few events that you shouldn't attend now for sure. And it's like, for what? For the fans' first impression from that diss track?

Word.

Like, it ain't even like you did this and then followed with, with like a plan. Like, I don't understand what 38 Special is doing. Yes, he can rap. Yes, I like him. This is, this is improper planning, improper strategy, and just this song is bad execution.

This is letting the internet, this is letting the internet talk you into jumping off a bridge in a, in a bad way.

But even if when you jump, you jumping with a parachute, that's cool. That rap ain't the parachute. Yeah, that song is not the parachute. You get what I'm saying? Like, this song is like step 5 or 6 in bad steps that he's taken. Yeah, I agree.

And I wanted to say, you know what, after hearing it— well, as it was playing when I first heard it, I'm like, all right, maybe he's doing the old jab and try to bait somebody. You're not trying to be Jadakiss, bro.

I thought it was—

but you've been doing— you can't bait Jadakiss.

I thought it was AI.

Again, these, these niggas' legacies are established, etched in stone. They some of the this already, not to see they ain't have a glaze off. Back to Honey Buns. But these niggas ain't people that's just like waking up and trying to rap every day to feed their families. That, that era is behind us. The era is past us now. It's like when people talk to me about some rap shit. Hey, cool, nigga, think what you think. Whatever I did, I did it. And whatever we think, we think. That's not where I'm at today, right? I don't understand it. I don't. And I did want— I was trying to invite him up here to speak to 38 Special directly, but I ain't in the pig, the mudslinging. Once you do that, yeah, what you want me to do? I can't sit next to you.

Yeah, I agree 1,000%.

It went from I can't wait to what he says, and when you listen, it's like, ah, come on, man.

Yeah, like we went from—

I don't, I don't— I thought that, and I I really thought he would give Jadakiss more. That's what I'm saying. Like, you had me excited about Jadakiss.

I saw Jadakiss, uh, and he typing, is more coming?

Yeah, I saw his Jada Instagram. So Jadakiss said he was, uh, just paying a tribute to his uncle that passed away. But I saw, I'm like, oh shit, it's about to get nasty, nigga. And then I heard that, I'm like, I felt like— and I'm not taking anything from Jim because Capo's my man, right? It looked like a little bit of picking and choosing to me. Yeah, it was a bunch of picking and choosing.

It is.

You heard all of it. Yeah, why would you go swinging Jim— yo, dog, why the fuck are we swinging at Jim Jones? Hey, we in rapper land now. Hey, let's keep Jim Jones out the club. And I don't necessarily feel like that. I feel like Jim Jones is a much improved rapper. I do. But if we in MC land, hey, keep him out the club. There you go, there you go, there go that nigga right there. He's in front of you in the same spot. And especially because Kiss only said 2 lines to me, I'm saying 2 lines to him. You not him, right? He can do that because he came out in '95.

, you called him out. He said two lines to you. My question, you was worth two lines to him, right?

The '95 thing.

And if that's your theory, Jim ain't give you what you gave him, right?

Right.

Yeah, you get what I'm saying?

Like, if your theory is, yo, uh, Kiss only said two lines to me, so I'm going to give him two lines.

He said Jim was disrespectful in Jada Kiss wasn't. But to my knowledge, about your clothes—

yo, that's pics, man. I don't respect—

he talked about your clothes, my nigga. You talking about somebody's wife.

Yes, uh, dropping a nuke on the head.

Yeah, what we talking about? Like, yeah, he said this more—

and listen, respectfully, please don't shoot at me. I'm just chilling. I'm just commenting Tayden calling it. Got to call a fair fight. Yeah, now that we've heard the special diss track, don't do it again. Don't say Jada— don't, don't say Jadakiss, Sunkiss, Jada Pinkett. No, he can't— no, Jada Fire. You can't say Jada Fire. They try to get me in trouble.

Is there more to that song?

Niggas, they show this song?

There's more, but it's up to y'all if you want to hear it.

He set me up.

Look at that thing.

Can I hear a little bit more?

I don't speak that no more. Go ahead. So you said— I don't speak that no more.

I know.

Uh-huh. There you go. She don't blow dick. What?

Ho said she don't blow dick, man.

This nigga talking like a boss but ain't giving out no jaws. Nigga, you can't even go home and get a blowjob before you made cash off rap.

What was Show job.

Jim Story faker than the one fat Joe wrong. And yo, bro, face type valid. Without that body work, that bitch would be shaped like salad. Better replace some steaks for some late night salads. No matter how much you hate, you can't take my talent.

You're talking to a real man with skilled hands.

I took kilograms and built brands. Got a flow that a field stands. Only reason Kiss eating 'cause he fat Joe Lil' Manz.

My, my thing to this is, yeah, nah, that's enough for me though. For those who know, they know 38 Special can rap.

I was A-Rap too.

There's a lot of people who's never— I'm not gonna say never, but this is their introduction to him. Yeah, this ain't do it.

This is not a good introduction.

This isn't—

he's much better than this.

Like, their introduction to him was calling out Kiss. Hey, who are you? How dare you call out Kiss? We know what Kiss do, he documented. Yeah, who the fuck are you? That's how, that's how a lot of people are looking at him. Yeah, and we get this, it's like, oh, nigga, go, go. You, you make better time responding to Nino, man, which you won't do.

Honestly, like, I feel like Special's proven the point of why some niggas you just leave. Yeah, like, I feel like he's proven this with that. Whatever he he did, don't direct that. So what's Jadakiss's real name again? Mr. Jason.

Mr.

Yeah, he can't, he can't, because the, the worst thing that could happen for him is for Jadakiss to call out of work. He ain't, because them LOX niggas is disciplined. But that's why, like, if the LOX was on bullshit still, like if this was the '90s, I'll Oh no, no, no. But the Locks is old and disciplined and fucking protein shakes and veggies and she got the jogging with his wife and positivity and motivation. It's all, it's all of that shit going on. So cool, have at it. But the responses are telling you something. Jadakiss commenting and saying, hey, that's a safe place that you in, says, I'm not rapping, we're not rapping no more. Fat Joe's response says what everybody is saying. Hey, hey, look, I'm not rap— they all saying I'm not rapping. I'm gonna handle this, and that's the accordingly.

And that's the bad part. Like, how do we go from, yo, I wanted you to be on my song, right? I wanted a verse from you because I admire you and I revere you, and I wanted to—

I told y'all when that conversation came up, he was never getting down.

No way. I agree, look, but I want you to enter into this gladiator space of rapping with me on my song. Yeah, now we go from that to potentially forbid somebody could get hurt from behind this. We went from—

and we don't want none of that.

We don't want that.

Again, forbid, but that's what you're putting out in the world.

But that's what you put—

that's the energy that you put out.

This is not about rapping at this point. And all that shit stems from entitlement, all of it. On whose behalf? Kiss don't owe you nothing. So you mad he wouldn't do the verse and you start shooting at him that way? That's entitlement.

It started—

I want to rap with you, you're ducking me, you won't give me the verse, I try to get you— that's entitlement, bro.

See, that's the thing.

That's why I want to shoot him some bail. Yeah, because I used to do that.

Yeah, you were acting entitled too though.

If I had— no, it wasn't entitled.

It's not entitlement, bro.

If I ask you for a verse, I'm thinking we cool, it's all right, or just an introduction. I'm asking you for a verse.

And there was— I want to interject briefly— there was some, uh, communication that a verse would happen at some point.

Okay, yeah, but the fashion in which I learned that that verse is not happening is gonna activate how I'm feeling about the matter. It's not that I feel I'm entitled, but I asked plenty of niggas for a verse. That's where my ASAP Rocky, the Yams tweet— yeah, come to— hey, hey, he tweeted some shit, or Rocky said some shit and now I am on your ass.

You wouldn't give her—

you wouldn't give her—

you—

oh, that's how y'all feel? We on y'all, niggas. It's not entitlement, it's killers.

But for who— the fact that you don't get a verse and you lashing out because you didn't get something you wanted, that speaks to entitlement, Joe. Kind of. That's the definition of it. I wouldn't look at it as the motivation. It could be, but it could be—

it could be. I don't— I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying you're not always right.

Yeah, it's rapper shit to me.

It comes— it comes—

but in this case, is it entitled?

I mean, I don't think it's entitled. I thought when I first started, I just playfulness.

I thought they were just playing. It was banter.

And as it continued, I said, oh, Spesh don't have the greatest sense of humor. I've been right about this the whole way. Like, with every showing that we see him, it's like, all right, you're not getting that verse. You don't have a great sense of humor, and you sound a little serious, like you want to see this nigga.

And that's where it got weird to me, cuz I was like, oh, this is fun. At first I thought he was going to play. I actually thought it might have been orchestrated. Like, you know, they already had some verses played out, they already had a plan played out, they were doing it together. Then at some point it just looked like dude was going off the reservation.

And even if it wasn't that, it should have— he should have played for that.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Even if there wasn't a communication of a verse happening, you should have let that happen naturally, because I think it would have. Yeah, I think it would have.

I'd even just rode the talk for a little longer and just— silence is valuable. The streets talking, the rappers is talking, podcasters, bloggers is talking, I'm getting my— I'm getting my shit off, and I'm silent, and I'm getting my looks.

And I would have had 17 verses in the tuck. Yeah, to just be like, this is what I do, this is what I do.

Here's the record I wanted Jay to get on. He ain't know I'm killing it. Bomb. Like, here's my album.

Like, that goes back to you, you speaking about the Summer Jam moment, goes to that.

This is—

I don't know when else will I get this opportunity. So I'm trying to make— we know what Hov did, the Prodigy at Summer Jam. Now that was Hov headlining. It's a moment. People used to use Summer Jam to get their shit off.

You—

all right, now I'm here, it's a Summer Jam stage, let me do it now. It didn't fall right, let me put a record out.

It did—

like, it's a bunch of missteps.

And, and while I'm in rapper brain, let me get this off. I don't expect anybody to get it. Then line Uh, and since you've been a minute with the Stove God hook, I might go backstage and give Hook Stove God— whatever that line was. It's hate, it's hate, it's hate, it's hate. You niggas not going to get it.

It's hate.

Your men that you fly with, that you do shows with, that you do music with, was on that Pusha Clips album, and you seen what it did. That's essentially your groupmate that's not your groupmate. You see what he's doing, the looks. You see where the chess pieces are moving. He follows that up with more Roc Nation-ish Fat Joe, Jadakiss. By now, I imagine Stove God's phone to be off the hook.

Oh, for sure.

By now, his phone will not stop ringing with people looking for him.

You see that?

You see that and you feel that. I won't give y'all 30 minutes on what the inner workings of Slaughterhouse looked like when Royce Winden did that fucking Bad Meets Evil project, but it was a few niggas mad. It was, it was a few niggas mad about it. We had to try to disguise like, like, start coming up with all types of shit going on. So yeah, we brothers, but now you throw that in a diss song, you start shooting at Roc Nation, it's like, I don't know what's going on with Spesh. He clearly looks like he's gone rogue. Joe, but he shouldn't address Jadakiss again.

On that rogue point, on some rapper shit, go ahead, Mark. Like, He's so talented, especially great.

And yeah, nobody's denying that.

I mean, like ridiculously talented. And I expected, uh, I had a high bar for him for what this was going to be.

Yeah.

When you get into this zone where you make some shit like he just made, to go on road, do you not run it past people? Because there's no way his crew listened to that.

You can't ask me that. I never made nothing like that.

But, but is that because you can't make that like that because you ran some shit by people?

A diss track veteran. I am a different monster and killer, okay? I was gonna diss rappers that were better than me, more popular than me, and I was gonna spend every second making sure every bar meant something. You say A-Rab did that beat? When me and A-Rab was in the lab coming up with this, I made that nigga send me 39 beats to find the right one trying to diss Drake or whoever the fuck that was. Like, I wrote it when I dissed Saigon.

Shout out to Saigon.

I was at a wedding.

Oh shit.

I was, I was with my significant other. We were at a wedding. Timeline jump. Oh, such and such. Oh, work. Oh shit, say less. Dude, at a wedding, like, you gotta be a psycho, has up to this point has not shown that.

Gotcha.

In, in, in his, uh, penmanship and ability. I'm not talking about ability to rap, I'm talking about different bag right here.

Yeah, it's totally different.

He was supposed to kill Jadakiss, or try to attempt. Yeah, yo, they tell you in the hood all the time, you gotta fight. Win or lose, you gotta fight because they gotta know you can fight basketball. You gotta shoot the jumper. We don't care you got a jumper, you have to shoot that jumper so they know you shoot that jumper. He had to shoot it. Two lines to Jadakiss, and this all started with Jadakiss and you popping your shit like I'm him. Park said, yo, nah, he could talk to that nigga.

He could talk to him.

And that verse that we heard was firing up, where it's like, if every verse is like that, then he can talk to him. Guess what? The greats are the greats because of the consistency. Because every time they pick up a pen and paper, every time they in the booth, no matter who's in it, no matter what the topic, no matter what the song, no matter what the beat, they could do it. If you can't do that, Jadakiss is not somebody you should talk to.

And, and on battle tested. That nigga's going at prime 50 beans, like, yeah, like, yo, dog, and more.

And it's just a nice guy now, like, today into 2026, he's a nice guy. Much easier to get the verse from this nigga than when he was fucking, uh, giving me the dub. I don't understand it, especially I'm just watching. I'm watching. That's my take. Please don't diss me. Don't diss Jadakiss again though. Let this go. Yeah, you can let it go. Let it go.

You got to let it go.

Yo, go focus on your shit. Do your shit, man. If you gain one fan from this, it's awesome. Go focus on your shit. Leave these people alone, please. Wasn't that Jim Jones in Prime 112 when homeboy went in there?

Yes, yes.

Like, dog, we just want to a steak. Got one.

No, come on. No, that's not right.

That's, that, that, that, that's why I don't like that shit.

I don't like that shit. I was on some rap shit. Once niggas wanted to shoot at me for the things I said, I told other people. I didn't go grab weapons. Hey, hey, these niggas are bad. I dumped that right on some other niggas' plate. Hey, y'all want to do that? I'm out. But yeah, though, I just want to stay. If I'm in Miami, I want to go to Prime 112. I want to be able to walk. I want to be able to not need 100 niggas when I'm moving around. I want to move with my girl in a different city.

I booked here.

I want to move. I want to move freely. Ja Rule at the fucking whatever concert that was at the Barclays, he just want to perform. No, now it's random nigga. No, who are you? When a nigga punch me in the strip club, wait, wait, who is this nigga I'm fighting?

That's scary.

Who are you? Yeah, that's annoying shit.

I don't know you, you little fucking punk.

Well, it's scary too, yes. But even if the person isn't out to seriously hurt you, it's still annoying.

I'm walking to the pee.

Yeah, I was walking the smoke.

I'm just saying, I'm walking to pee and the nigga I don't know just socks me. That ain't have to be a punch.

That could have been a poke. It is you, yo.

I'm on point.

Why is— what, nigga, are you crazy?

Now you gotta go over and figure out who the fuck is going.

Everybody, Joe, he's on parole. You want to report? No, man, leave him alone. Now you trying to make it nastier. God damn it, Spesh.

Yeah, I didn't get it. I didn't get it.

Disappointing. Yeah, it should be over.

It should be over.

You know, that Morris coming, it should be It's over.

Like, it's over, yo.

You tried. It's done.

This is done.

I hope so. Yeah, I don't need no more of this.

We got more hip-hop shit to debate.

We do.

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Yo, it's the jeans, man.

Double entendre.

With that bladder, when he wear his wedding ring, he don't pee as much.

Damn, I don't understand.

It's like a nervous thing.

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Draco.

Draco. I always pronounce the E. Drake.

D-R-A-K-E-O.

Like a Draco.

Oh, I'm slow, you know. I can't read. I can't read, Mark. That's why I hired you. I ain't here to—

Drake?

Oh, it's not Dracchio. Look at that. Rest in peace, Draco. But you had the pre-show of Summer Jam. I've never done the pre-show, but I've been around it. You, you get 2 tickets. You get a couple— you can bring a couple of your homeboys. Whoever's on that main stage is going to get 500 tickets. I don't care how tough you are, you lose. Yeah, you lose. And that's all I'll say on that, cuz I don't want to make this dark. We in a great mood.

But that, that was some—

in, in, in rap beef, even if you think it's just lyrical, there are so many things to be considered. Who who's home, who's away, who's on tour, who's who with who, who can hit a recording studio faster, who can— it's just so many factors.

Whose fan club is bigger? Yeah, who love this nigga? Like, it'd be a lot of that. Yo, this nigga did shit for me, my family, etc., etc., and you playing with— yo, his wife, we call her sis. You playing with sis like that, that nigga don't got to say a word, right? Niggas that love him will go and— no, we not allowing that.

Just how petty is the nigga you dealing with? We going to buy the first 9 rolls of your show now and throw icicles up there.

Again, we talking about—

we going to bang them Smurfs and throw the fucking chairs, chairs up there on the stage. That was a time. That was a time.

It's niggas that don't even know the, the, the artist.

That nigga put me on the screen right after that. I'm like, what I'm going to do after Smurf did all that? I'm not throwing nothing. That nigga, I was calling Ebro. How could you let this happen? Change the screen. Tell Ebro.

What you say? No, I'm saying it don't got to be your entourage. It don't even got to be nobody you know. It'll be, yo, when I was I was locked up, he was looking my man out. So I know he's a stand-up dude. And as a result, you could just again be walking to the bathroom, dog.

When them Drake fans came to my house on Myrtle Avenue, there was kids. They didn't look like kids though. That's the new age kids. They could have got something bad could happen. Once I got to them and realized, oh, y'all don't have mustaches, now I can't hit y'all, right? But the point is, 7 in the morning, I'm going to my car to go— that was when I was on my Dunkin' Donuts flow. I'm going Dunkin' Donuts, get my coffee. I'm going to get coffee. Why are you idiots about my car right now? Yeah, yeah, it's just stupid shit. And if you're ready to deal with all of that, then hey, have at it, man. Have at it, man. I also don't like the, the New York division angle that is somehow going to creep its way into this. Buffalo just got back into its bag.

He's from Rochester.

From Rochester.

Rochester. I mean, what we gonna Yeah, he's from Rochester. I like Rochester. Yeah, me too.

And they play out there, they play hard out there. Like, that shit ain't— like, it ain't no fucking little layup.

Them niggas—

yeah, them niggas go. And that's the fucked up part.

Oh yeah, Rochester shows caused plenty of fights between me and Corey, at least in my head. Like, where did you book me? Where are we?

Are we—

now we had great times in Rochester, even the times where it was, yeah, shaky. I'm on sleep in the car, I wake up to the— we are in the hood. We in the hood, it's the hoods. Yo, stupid ass Corey come give you the mic in the car. Stupid ass Corey come give you the mic in the car. That's the sign to let you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're walking through— hey, straight to the city, walking through Rochester to get your pump, pump, pump, pump, pump. And we going to have to make it up. This nigga Corey is a lunatic.

Hey, had to pay the bills, right?

The mic in the car, now got to make sure the battery right. We 10,000 feet away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you cutting in and out. That shit is a mess. Shout out to Rochester and shout out to the Rochester chicks, because that's really what we go for. That's really what we go when you want some ghetto pussy. And we're gonna talk about ghetto pussy later when we talk about Chattanooga.

Oh yeah, shorty. Yeah, yeah, on the stage.

Pretty lady, very pretty. But, and she made valid points, right? Ah, I don't know whose side I'm on. She did make valid points.

What's the bad point? No, nigga, no.

Yes, we'll talk about it.

Talk about it.

Talking about— they got boss.

Yeah, no, don't call me that. You are their boss, Joe. Don't call me that. They boss?

Yeah.

Not your boss?

Not at all. It's my man.

Who's your boss?

At all?

At all?

No, I'm taking stands now. I'm not trying—

once they sign that contract, boy, everything changed.

Let's get—

which is the irony.

Why you got to do that?

Go ahead, man.

Just to bother him, to get him in the mood, to get—

flip. I'm not getting at nobody.

I'm trying to—

you got to let it out, bro.

Bro, listen, look at me. No honey buzz, boy.

Let it out.

Now you need to let it out.

You got to let it out. He got to let it out.

It's not going to work. I have nothing to let out. I'm in a great mood. There's nothing going on.

How could you not be?

Yeah.

So now we have Bleek versus Uncle Murda and Tony Yayo.

Yes.

I'm looking for with a bleep clip. Okay, I have the bleep clip. Look at that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

His thing had—

what did he say?

That Jay-Z don't help nobody.

Jay-Z don't help nobody.

Yeah, say 401K Records, nigga. It's called hold it down, homie. Drop some heat. Niggas ain't paying your bills, cuz. That's what it is. Niggas can't compete. That's why they talk like that.

You—

if 50 said one year, these niggas will be in the shelter. They shouldn't be allowed to talk about us or anybody when you literally are a long clip, but I'm gonna let it go just for context. Okay, hey, that shit is insane to me, man. Like, niggas can't even wear their jewelry without they boss. Damn, show me a picture of Yayo walking around with his chain, the passport chain. I got to see it. But niggas ain't taking care of niggas. You goddamn right they ain't.

I got to pause this just to highlight— that's an ill observation. That's, that's on par with me talking about that little window. That's an ill observation to make, that somebody is not wearing a certain chain. I heard that and was like, you peep, you peep this?

Damn.

Oh, you pay fair. He's right.

I would have never made that observation.

Is—

I, I've said it to you, paying attention to some shit.

But anyway, I'm gonna let it go.

I've seen it, yo.

I think I heard Yale say that, uh, you and— which is crazy.

You say you and Jay—

you can't borrow your man chain no more. Is that over? Is that one— is that on the list now? I mean, you just can't talk shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't talk shit if I borrow my man's chain? I'm asking, I'm not trying to be funny, I'm asking you.

I mean, it depends on what kind of shit you're talking about. Yeah, right. Like, you might have to tone it down a little bit. I think, I think, I think if you are saying you're a boss of all bosses and you carrying yourself accordingly, then you— if you got your own fly chain and I just want to borrow my man chain for that day, cool. But if you don't have a chain and I don't know what these niggas jewelry collections look like.

I'm just speaking objectively.

Then it's a thing to that. It's like dissing the niggas for flying in commercial seats, and the nigga look up and you in commercial seats.

Like, I'm not wearing nobody else's chain.

And it's a little—

there's no situation where I'm like, that was a thing. Except for that, when you wearing that, but that was—

that was a thing though. Niggas wore their chain. That was a thing. That was a thing in New York.

That was a thing, yo.

Breathing like you was top dog, nigga. Niggas was wearing niggas' chain.

I'm not doing this with you, my nigga.

I don't have nothing.

Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. I can't hear you trying to— your man trying to help you again. Listen, your man trying to jump in and help you be a groupie. Listen, let me just say this.

You weren't wearing nigga's chains when you talk.

What I'm saying is that I wore nigga— that don't make me a groupie.

Your man— that makes you a little man.

No, it don't make you a little man either.

Yes, it do.

It does not make you a big homie.

Don't borrow people chains.

Are y'all putting an age on this?

Hold on, hold on.

I'm not being funny.

I'm saying old heads don't borrow.

Rest in peace to Maserati Fox, one of the gangsters of the gang.

Rest in peace, Fox.

I love you.

He wore 50 chain and then he had his own. That's not no son. Niggas give you their chains when you become a part. You're not their son.

I wore a web chain all the time, but you could tell what niggas—

but that's the only, that's the only correlation. That's the chain.

But you also not talking to niggas that way. That's the part.

I would talk to a nigga that way.

You saying something I'm totally different.

I'm not. And you're a little bit different sometimes when you coming up in the game.

But you said— but the scenario that you just gave was, yo, once you become affiliated with this, we give you a chain. That's like a Rockefeller chain. If Joe came up here, it would be hard-pressed. But if everybody up here had a chain—

because you won't wear the sunglasses I bought you on some pride shit. Put the fucking shades on there. You'll never get another pair of shades again.

Stupid. Still in with?

Yo, no, how you know what I wore? Tell me you wore me Home Depot in DC though. You know he had shades on in DC. And lookers. And lookers. Bitch ass nigga.

Anyway, go ahead.

Yo, that's a totally different thing. Like, if everybody got a Rockefeller chain on, that's different than my man having a chain and I'm wearing my man's chain outside to do whatever.

My question is, is there age limit on this?

Yes.

Yes.

No, I think it's just a status thing. And to Mark's point, yo, the big homie don't wear the little nigga chain.

I don't, I don't agree. I see niggas put chains on big homies. I see niggas take chains off.

Everybody ain't the big homie.

I know.

Then you can't talk like you are.

The big homie is a, is a thing. That's so, bro, that ain't—

everybody ain't cool.

We see, but we don't talk like you are.

What is big homie?

Did Tony Talk like that.

Press play.

I'm playing. I'm finishing the bleep because we gonna fight. It's just more— was more business.

I've never seen it.

Well, him and 50 friendship is just financial. Um, yeah, 40.

Yeah, both 48 going back and forth with each other sounds crazy.

Yo, but I'm just saying, it's like, it's good for content.

I drop bombs.

We just—

we got a new song out right now, right? No More, produced by Cool and Dre.

Move it.

I don't know. He's a dependent.

You—

of course he viewed life through look out for me.

I never looked at—

come on, Jay raised bosses, man. He don't raise dependents. We all bosses, business owners. Well, I got a bar in the restaurant in Vegas. Tell them pull up and come eat, everything free on me.

Don't tell me to come eat.

Cargo, all that. The bill is covered. We feed people on this side too.

He said Jay-Z doesn't support Men Bleak the way 50 Cent looks out for him.

But how? Where's his records? Where's his businesses? Where's his—

do we even have a—

wait, let me ask you a question.

He does.

Do this nigga have children?

That's right.

When is family time? I don't want to hear this 50 Cent shit and Jay-Z shit. My wife right here, we just came from Paris rocking the chateau. My daughter was in there, was in the room Leonardo da Vinci built, you know what I'm saying? Like, my son just was at Night 1, Reasonable Doubt. Where's these niggas' kids? And you talking about somebody taking care of you? Who are you taking care of, man? Like, yo, that was fucking 50 and you still want niggas to take care of you? Is insane to me. And the fans online think—

he went off, he went off, he went off.

He ain't doing that shit though.

That was your first time hearing that?

Yeah.

Thoughts?

Smart.

Mine too.

I had a smorgasbord.

I don't care what's true or not right now, we just talking about as content and as bars, he fucking killed that shit.

What?

That's what's special.

And he's right, that's what's special to do.

What?

Come on now, that shit was crazy.

I love that he's speaking to the fact, because like anytime somebody say something to Yayo and Murda about money, lifestyle. He's constantly saying, yeah, 50 got us this, 50 got us that, 50 got us this, 50 got us in Dubai eating this, 50 got us—

like, it's—

so he's speaking to the— Bleek is like, I'm not saying Hov got us over here doing this, Hov got me doing this. He put me in position so I could do it, whereas y'all, he's making it, you know, it's apples.

We—

he's basically telling you We not on the same level. Stop playing with me.

Okay, the Yayo clip is long. I'm gonna play a portion of it, okay? And then I'll jump to the Uncle Murda tidbit that's flying around. That's 50 seconds.

Uh, well, a lot of rappers, bro, a lot of rappers came to my house and got motivated. I had houses, houses, not a house, but I don't like to brag about money. I like to stay humble like you guys do because I know a lot of people don't.

And this is on Million Dollars Worth of Game. Shout out to Gillian Wilder.

Around. Why are we talking about change? That's all I'm saying. I don't, I don't see— y'all niggas got plenty of money. Y'all buy cars and watches like rich people do. Niggas ain't really talking about change. Yo, you don't have the passport chain. Because what it was is Yayo came back from the dead. Yayo got a second wind and niggas can't stand it. Sometimes it could be a nigga that's around me that can't stand it. Yayo got a second wind on his own without 50. I went on Vlad. Yo, you bugging. I went on Million Dollars a Game. That took me there. I went on Shannon Sharp. I went on all these big platforms by myself and sold my personality just like y'all do. But niggas are going to continue to hate. You had your one day on stage with Jay, which is cool, feel good.

Would you be the leverage? Would you be one day?

It was one day on stage with Jay, it's cool. So I know you're gonna feel good about yourself, want to pump out your chest. Do you want to sell a record?

What you mean, what Jay just performed?

Yeah, when Jay just performed, okay, one day out, you know, we do that with 50 every other week. I'm not supposed to go out and get the money? We on a private jet, we getting smoked up, we chilling.

Yo, You can't listen.

Give me another meal, man. Something else on the menu.

All right, catfish and caviar. I'm a humble nigga. It's between Queens and Nashville.

We deliver.

All right, let me get to the murder clip.

First I ever fucking like is the one that Jay-Z wrote, nigga. The only verse I ever like is the one that Jay-Z wrote. I ain't never like a Bleak verse that he wrote by himself.

Fuck out of here.

Fans like that neither, nigga. I'm just saying, back to that shit, nigga. I'm just—

I'm dead serious.

I'm on a thousand, nigga.

And business statements for business statements, nigga. And we can do it next week. And let's check the transactions. You know, you can scratch it out so nobody wire nobody nothing, nigga. Let's see how much money niggas really got, nigga. And check the safe, because we got the safe money too. I got a safe in the crib. And I just took my kids first class flights on Disney. We was in Disney World, nigga.

I do the shit with the kids, nigga. It was me and 2 of the homies and 13 kids.

And I'm with the Disney nigga.

Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.

That last part, that's funny, son.

I don't give a fuck.

You responded to me saying I took the family to Paris, right? Disney, nigga. I don't give a fuck.

Teacups, bitch.

Now, now hold up, as a nigga with a couple kids, Disney's pricey.

Disney ain't cheap. Disney ain't cheap. Disney is far from cheap. I start doing the math. Disney is far from cheap, dog.

I know what I looked at for 4 kids, so you might—

that is 13 kids first class to Disney ain't— it's probably more expensive than the Château in Paris, but it's It sound crazy.

It sound crazy, that's all I'm saying.

I'm—

Bush Gardens, nigga.

Percy Park, nigga.

Nah, I get it though, man.

That's funny. This nigga stupid. Oh man, don't touch me, nigga.

I'm not down with you. Don't touch me at all.

I get it though, I get it.

Don't touch me. I'm not down with y'all niggas.

That shit ain't true.

Niggas is crazy.

That shit ain't true.

I, I understand Disney is expensive.

It is.

He not wrong.

It's not funny.

You saying the comparison to Disney in Paris?

It just don't sound like a— you know what I mean? It's not. That's apples to potatoes, dog.

I feel like there's different— I feel like in each category, people looked at Bleek and said that, you know, Jay helped them, and people look at Yayo and them and said 50 helped them. It's just, I guess, like you said, it's a lot.

That goes back to the whole line, Bleek could be one hit— hold up, that goes back to the whole line. Bleek could be one hit away his whole career. As long as I'm alive, he's a millionaire. So it— in that line, if you— so I'm just—

that's what they hate. Okay, hold up now. Let me— but there's nothing wrong with you bigging your mans up that put you on. Now that's what— that's, that's what niggas forget. There's a lot of— everybody want to be a boss, but niggas don't want to be whatever the fuck that line is. I can't say it, but a worker— no, it's a Chief Indian joint. I ain't gonna say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but, but what I'm saying is that there's nothing wrong with bigging your man up. No, nothing wrong with saying, yo, my man put me in this position. If it wasn't for my man, I wouldn't be in this position. I'll be here. There's nothing wrong with that. Niggas don't want to highlight that. Niggas got a lot of ego.

But the way they make it—

wear sunglasses, for God's sake, nigga. Niggas don't want to wear sunglasses, for God's sake. These niggas and their egos is so beyond the fucking world. Pick and choose who they have egos with, who not to have egos with.

I just think it goes—

there's nothing wrong with you bigging up your man. Yo, thank you, bro. My man put me on. You got to be comfortable with you within yourself to be able to acknowledge a nigga putting you on. Niggas look at it as you a little man by acknowledging your man.

You were just denying that.

No, what I'm saying is that, you know, he writes your checks. No, I, I acknowledge Joe. I'm Queens flip back. I can acknowledge a nigga because I'm comfortable who I am, nigga. You strip me from all this shit and put me outside in the middle of fucking Central Park, I'm gonna make it shake. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna make it shake.

Strip me down and put you—

I said that at the end of the day. I can acknowledge that, yo, my man, my, my guy made it an easier path for me and made it more comfortable for me to get where I'm at. You can acknowledge that. Niggas is nuts.

So let me acknowledge your— let me, let me, let me acknowledge your shot, cuz you were shooting at me.

I was.

There's not been a platform that I've gotten on that I don't big up Joe Budden. True. That's number one.

You can big— you can do it more though.

Go ahead.

That's a fact. You right.

What you saying?

You can do it a little more.

I did hear you right.

You do a little more.

No, he's right. I know.

Number 2, there's a fine line between me appreciating and showing appreciation for somebody for assisting me and me cheerleading for them. There's a fine line. And so because somebody don't necessarily— So because somebody— What'd you say?

I said now you shooting back. Let me take him to school, go ahead.

No, so because I don't necessarily get up at every single single interview, or if Bleek not necessarily Jay-Z, Jay-Z, Jay-Z, Jay-Z, that don't mean that he not being taken care of by Jay-Z. Everybody don't gotta do that in they public approach.

I agree.

We don't know what business dealings Jay-Z has did with Bleek. We don't know none of that shit. So to say that Bleek don't get taken care of by Jay or vice versa, I think it's corny for Black men or older men, 'cause these niggas ain't young, to be like, yo, yo, your big homie don't look out for you. Yo, your big homie don't look out for you. Yo, I got blah blah blah blah blah because of my big homie. No, nigga, I got blah blah blah blah blah because I got outside and I earned it on my fucking own. That's what grown men do.

I want to play this, uh, I want to play this clip that Bleek quoted and said this is— he's proven my exact point here.

Well, yeah, if, if 50 stopped fucking with niggas for a year, it'll be over.

Nigga, I will be in a trap. What is you talking about? That's the part.

That's the point. He— go ahead.

I think that line is being understood differently by the two parties, and that's what the problem is.

I understand what he meant though. He said I'll be outside. I'll be—

not the trap.

I'll be— say it again.

I'll get to work.

Yeah.

I'll be outside getting to it. Not enough. You thought the trap had followed the hood?

No, he's saying, no, he's saying if 50 stopped doing whatever he's doing, I'll be fine because I'm going back to what I know. I'm getting the shake and I'm in the trap. I'm moving. He went on to say, that's where I come from, that's all I've done. He said, I'll be right on 145th and God Brew or whatever he said. And what Bleek is saying is, uh, you you won't have a legal means, right, to earn income.

And that's how I heard it. Like, because it sounds like you said, if not for 50, I'll be back in the hood.

That's how I heard it too.

That's why I don't really love you as an example. And this is— you don't belong in, in this conversation. You did what you did long before. Like, it's not— it don't fit here.

No, I'm— what I'm saying, you mean me personally?

You build ounces.

Oh, I don't know what he doing in DC.

Well, Houses, nigga. Yo, so no, what I'm saying is if, if you're saying that if I, if I lose this particular piece of income, I would be back on— he named a block.

Yeah.

Which means you are— I don't know if that means I'm outside, outside, or if I'm outside scrambling, but when you name a block, that means you're going outside to that particular block to do whatever you got to do to survive. That's That's how I took it.

I didn't think—

I took it that way as well. And when you want— on one interview saying, yo, 50 got us over here, and you naming countries and shit, and then you turn right around and say, well, if 50 not here, I'm going to the block. That's the step. That's acknowledging multiple steps.

But he said— I didn't hear—

he named the corner.

I got you.

I didn't think he meant it that literally.

Maybe I'm wrong, but what, you gonna put a dry cleaners there?

Like, I He's saying I'm gonna be okay regardless. That's all he's saying.

But in what manner, right?

That's the difference of—

we—

that's right, that's the difference in what they talking about here.

Surviving. He's saying I'ma survive. Cool, I'm gonna survive. I know how to get it. I know how to go. I know how to eat. I'm not gonna starve. I might not be eating escargot no more. I might not be eating caviar bumps no more. Like, like the shit that you naming be at Dorney Park instead of this.

And that's why it feels like Bleek is saying, you can't— then y'all can't speak to me.

And that's what he's— that's what he is saying.

You don't, you don't, you don't see me around. And we would be saying the same thing of Bleek if every time we saw Hov, we kind of saw Bleek. Anytime Hov did a show, anytime Hov and B was somewhere, we saw Bleek. We'd be looking at Bleek like Bleek could be one hit away his whole career. As long as he alive, he a millionaire. For a lot of people, they're only really seeing Ye Yayo and Murda when they with 50. And I don't think that that's a bad thing.

That's not at all—

not bad at all.

Not at all.

Uh, the negative connotation comes from, all right, well, what would be happening without those people? Murda named a bunch of businesses. Murda said, I got this, we got a dispensary, we got this, we can go business for business, band for band, we gotta save—

we're fine.

But the optics of it, right? Because nobody's thinking about Yayo Murder's fucking businesses in this optic shaming battle.

The negativity comes from— it comes from the way Murder and Yale talk.

Well, that's why not. That's why you have to explain this to me. Yeah, well, maybe they do. Yale and Murder started this. They were the first people to jump out and say, yeah, they ain't helping these niggas. These niggas ain't about nothing. Bleek's Breakfast Club interview is a response. Yes. So for their response to be this when they initiated it, I just don't really understand that part. I don't get that part. And say what you want, I don't believe one word that Uncle Murda is saying about never liking the Memphis Bleek verse. I just don't believe that.

Fire verses and fire.

How old is Uncle Murda?

He—

we in the same age.

He said nothing.

He from the era that Bleek wrote.

He said he like the one that, that Bleek wrote. Versus the one—

sauce all over this shit, man. They just putting Sauce Off.

It's the Sauce Off.

Yeah, yeah, they talking shit.

They just talking shit. It seems to be playful, but it's funny.

All in the content world.

What verses did, did, did Hov write for Blue Blee?

Uh, he wrote—

did he write—

he wrote Coming of Age.

He said that's the only verse he likes.

Yeah, he wrote the two.

Is it Coming of Age?

He wrote, he wrote Unreasonable Doubts, verse Unreasonable Doubts. Then he wrote, uh, the joint was that, uh, Volume 1— I mean Volume 2.

Volume 2.

Volume 2. Yeah, he wrote both of those as far as I know. Oh, Coming of Age 2. Yeah, Coming of Age 2.

And that's it.

He's right.

That's all that we know.

What's Bleek's best?

That's not my business. He got too many.

He got a lot.

He got a lot.

Yeah, he got a lot.

He has a lot of—

I'm saying I don't believe what Uncle Murda is saying. You came up in the same era. Bleek had way too many that Hov didn't have nothing to do. You was there for his Datcher chick. You was there for Brown Hair. You was there for Do My Lady. You was there for Bleek.

Bleek is—

you—

Bleek is— What's that, '94 or something? '95, whatever it was. I don't mind. My years are fucked. '90s. No, Mobb Deep is not '04. It's in the '90s.

Ain't '94.

No, it ain't '94.

Reasonable Doubt came out in '96.

Then it's '96, '97.

It's early.

It's early. You was there for me. Bleak got joints.

Yeah, he got joints.

That's all that matters. He got it.

We can't do a versus against Yayo and Uncle Murda. I think he would fare okay.

I think he would win.

Yeah, well, Ice is going to bring up all of the G-Unit mixtapes in there, and, and you ain't got to go mixtape, just G-Unit records.

Again, we— if you taking G-Unit shit off, okay, different conversation. If that G-Unit shit is in there, no, it's not gonna go that way.

I don't know, I'm not gonna go that way.

I got Bleek winning, but I understand, uh, it's not a crazy take.

I got Bleek winning too.

Bleek is on You, Me, Him, Her.

Yep.

How many songs we talking about?

Bleek is on on the, uh, what, the Life Is a Mind Right remix? Oh shit, he's on the whole Dynasty album.

Yeah, I got Bleak.

I got Bleak, but I understand, but I respect Freeze's point.

Yeah, he ain't an easy out, but yeah.

Yale has a catalog. I'm not all the way familiar with all Uncle Murda, so I won't speak on it, but yeah, I listen— I'm out of this. Yeah, I'm out of this. They having a fucking band-off. I'm gonna watch. Business off, I'm going to watch these are all three.

They having a content off, man.

I think are extremely entertaining.

That's what I'm saying, they all good at it. They are. Like, back to the special, like, I— this ain't getting personal. Like, these niggas is having fun. Everybody up, they sit there talking their shit. Nobody's going to— yo, if I see that nigga, I'mma go—

yeah, I think Bleak could sit on an airplane seat in front of these two and be okay.

Yeah, there'd be some jokes somewhere, but Yeah, but that's good. Yeah, I agree.

That's what we want.

And I love, I love the content wars and the fun shit talking.

Yeah, I mean, as long as they stay here, especially when niggas is doing all right, everybody healthy, everybody getting money, awesome, right? Everybody is entitled to their perspective, even when it comes to other niggas. Hey, you think some niggas that's popped is a failure, nigga, so be it, go ahead. Ain't my business. Uh, what else? What else in music needs our attention, doesn't need our attention? Come on, let's get to it. We getting to it today.

Can y'all explain this Usher concert to me?

Okay, well, well, it's the Chris Brown—

I saw the concert. I saw homegirl on stage.

Chris Brown concert.

Chris Brown, Usher, bunch of fuckers.

Chris Brown and friends.

Yo, why y'all doing that?

That's so disrespectful.

Why y'all doing that, New Account? You know I'm just telling the truth. But what if he say Usher and Chris Brown con— you know the concert.

He didn't say that. He said it's the Usher concert.

Well, he was— okay, Usher was giving a performance on stage.

Got it. There you go.

That's what I'm talking about.

There we go.

And I saw homegirl that he was, uh, entertaining, looking less than enthused. And at some point he walks away and does the like, get the fuck out of here.

Gabrielle Cheyenne is her name.

Break it down for me.

Uh, you said it, you said it.

Yeah, what happened after? That's the part I didn't hear her response. I saw the shit and I was—

she responded a bunch of times.

I was like, she looked bored as fuck.

Yeah, that's all I saw.

Yeah, she's, um, she, she's about to play, but You got the clip? Okay.

Yeah, which clip? It's mad, like I said, she's been everywhere.

Would you?

I don't think so.

I mean, it's not bothering me. I, I, I don't feel a way towards it. I don't feel embarrassed. I don't feel like this is ruining me in the public eye. Or whatever, because you know it's been plenty of trolls and whatever else. Oh well, why would you do that? And you should be embarrassed. It was even people harassing me while I was walking out of the stadium.

Oh really?

While me and my family was walking out of the stadium, people were harassing us. Oh well, you should have did this, I would have did this. Were you available to go on stage?

TMZ one?

Yeah, that was, that was more after the fact.

It wasn't that I was into it.

I was a mom, clip daddy.

Um, and upgraded to VIP, and they don't give you any instructions on who, what, when, where, or how.

They didn't tell you they were going to pull you on stage?

They told me that it was a poss—

hey, I'mma pause this. Hey, Harvey, you looking nuts. I don't want to say nothing. I don't know what's going on. I don't know if you lost your brush, your fucking facial cleanser. You look— I don't— you have aged, buddy. Harvey look old as shit, and it happened fast. I don't know if y'all seen Y'all don't care anyway.

Ability of me going on stage, but they didn't, they didn't confirm that until it was closer to time for me to go on stage. And of course, you're getting to go up on stage. Why would I decline that? People are pulling the narrative that I'm in a relationship or, or whatever the case may be. No one can tell me the reasoning as to why I say yes to getting on stage, but you also don't know who you're going on stage for or, or, or with.

I'm gonna kind of pick up you put down there. You said, I didn't know who I was going to be pulled up on stage with. The way I see it, there are two people. There's Usher and there's Chris Brown. And that means you're banking on Chris Brown and you got Usher, and you would have been more into it with Chris Brown.

Am I reading this right?

Me solely, I went to the concert for Chris Brown. It's nothing against Usher or anything like that, but I'm more of a Chris Brown fan than I am of Usher. So of course, um, it would have been a different reaction with Chris Brown. It would have been the stiffness or whatever the internet is portraying.

So you, after what happened happened, some of the fans—

All right, we heard it. The black guy with the dress though, I'm cool. The TMZ dude. TMZ dude, I'm cool off him. So go ahead, Flip, 'cause you said you had some problems with him. Do you gentlemen—

Yo, you remember that?

Do I remember what?

Like back in the day when we used to bust a move. Oh shit. They be stiff with you. With me, they, I mean, free as a bird. Oh shit.

You remember that? Oh shit.

It's one of them days, right?

I mean, try to bait me too. I'm chilling. My memory is foggy. I know, I know, I know. You still speak to her too.

I knew that, I knew that line was coming.

Love ass nigga. Anyway, what do y'all think? That this young lady is wrong for how she handled the situation on stage? What would y'all have done in that situation?

Well, that's a little weird.

Not y'all.

I give it all to us.

Um, I think that's the dangers of pulling random people from the crowd.

Like, they're not gonna necessarily know how to get—

or they might not be— yo, he was trying to kiss her. Let's say she did have a boyfriend, or let's just say she ain't want to kiss him necessarily. I don't think she's wrong in how she handled it. I don't think she's wrong.

I can't say that she's wrong.

I can't.

I don't think she should have went on stage, but if I don't know, I don't think that's bullshit. I don't think she should have went on stage, she tried to— she went up there and messed up the essential piece, part of the performance. That's what it is, to try to— even if you didn't want to, I get it, you don't have to do it, but there's ways to go about it. And you could have not gone—

slow down, slow down, hold up, freeze. I want us to attempt— I know we just old niggas up here— let's attempt to be a little reasonable.

I'm trying.

This lady—

reasonable doubt, nigga.

This lady goes goes to a show with her people.

I got a spider on me. She was at the show with her moms. She got to show her mother.

They moved and somebody else— they were spotted and moved from their seats that they purchased to the special VIP area.

Yes.

And what you saying, do you think they shouldn't have done that?

She should have done that.

We definitely going in a special VIP and we're not asking, hey, who's bringing us? Yeah, we going going to the section, of course. So now somebody said, hey, we bringing you to the stage. It's a possibility that we're gonna bring it at this point, you know, that's why you in the special VIP area. So it's a trade-off, and you do know that as a fan.

And not just that, you know that, you know, you've seen clips, you know that's a part of the show from all— from not just this tour. He brings a girl on stage, he do what he do, feeds the cherries. I'm talking about the Chris shit. She's a Chris fan, so she sees what Chris does on the show, you know, oh, we gonna bring me to the stage, bet. Like, you see the clips of everybody else going, yo, you see the clips of the other girls, they'd be like, yo, oh, she didn't do right, oh, I would have did this, I would— this is my time.

She was ready to go, let that Chattanooga snapper go crazy on stage if it was Chris. All good, that chatty snappy, take you down. Exactly.

Yeah, but see, all that's good to me, right? But at the moment that you about to hit hit the stage and it ain't Chris on there as Usher, get the fuck off. Say I'm not going and go back to gym pop.

No, you're not.

Or just go up there.

Or go up there and put on a performance.

No, no, I'm not saying that's what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that's what she should do. You either go up there and pretend or don't go up there. But don't shit on my man's performance. Don't go up there looking crazy. Just don't do it. That's not fair to him.

So let me ask you a question.

You always came up with these questions.

I think there should have just been a clearer— So let me ask you a question. So, so what you're saying is that if when Usher brings her up and he goes— because he looked like he was trying to kiss her. Yeah, I mean, he was just leaning in.

Chris, Chris be kissing y'all. Come on.

But I don't think Usher don't be kissing them.

Chris be what? So my point is, Chris tried to kiss that girl, the, the internet start talking shit, that nigga Chris start closing the curtains on y'all. All right, watch this.

Lights out.

Out in here, I'm fucking this chick right now.

So, so, so if the girl wasn't in the, in the getting fucked mood, yeah, mode, mind frame, whatever the case may be, you're saying she should have faked it and kissed him or did whatever?

No, she should— that's not what I'm saying.

He said she should have got on stage.

I'm basing— I'm assuming everything she's saying is true and that she said I would have been into it. Forget kissing, I'm saying even just the way she was sitting there looking bored and stiff. I'm— hold on, let me just finish my thought. I'm saying don't go go to the stage. Don't put on it. Just don't go. I'm not saying she should have to do anything with her body she wants. I'm saying don't fucking go. Let somebody else go.

But my problem with your take is it's extremely ambitious, right? The number one fear in the country for a long time was speaking in front of a crowd. Some people can't stand in front of a crowd without looking. She could have had all of that in her mind. Hey, I'm gonna go up there and try to— but once she got up there in front of all of those people, those lights, Usher sweating on top of you singing Can You Handle It, It's a lot. Maybe you do have— what, who know? It's a lot to deal with.

She might—

she's not a performer. This young lady is not an entertainer. So when you pull from the audience, you get whatever you get from the audience. If it's a bad question, if it's a bad audience member, then that's just what it is. What be happening is these niggas be up there with the horny eye. Come on, let's just call it—

let's just call it what the fuck it is.

Yeah, we've been to shows, we know what happened. We send Savon in the to get audience questions. People here that have been on tour, please speak to it so I don't sound like a maniac. Rap tour shit, like we bring people up there, they go out there and find women that come back here, enjoy this charcuterie and eat this apple juice that we not gonna drink. This woman is gonna go take it back to the, the, the, uh, DoubleTree.

I feel everything you just said.

Limey on tour?

I wasn't, but Ice, Parks, Amani—

I went on the live tour with y'all when y'all—

you've been on tour? You've been on the tour? These be on tour.

That's crazy.

Accurate. Back in the day, back in the day, I mean, back in the day, crazy, bro.

Way back in the day, Joe, if Shorty had said I got stage fright up there, I was nervous, I wouldn't have said nothing about it. I'm taking her— no, I'm not saying if you in front of a million people, you freeze up. I ain't got no issue with that. My point was, that ain't what she said. I'm just saying, if I take her at her word and she said, I would have been different for Chris, then I'm saying, if you know you would be different for Chris and Usher wasn't your thing, then don't go up there and make Usher look bad. That's all I'm saying. She said I froze up.

Cool.

I don't think she made— I don't think she didn't make Usher— she don't have the power to make Usher look bad.

I'm sorry, that's not what I mean. She, she didn't— it wasn't the performance that he wanted. If, if at the moment the performer is doing this to get her out of here, he obviously wasn't happy.

But wasn't it not No, it's viral. It may be what everyone wants at the end of the day.

Everybody wins.

Everyone wins.

Everybody wins. Usher got a viral moment. Now future concertgoers know what to expect from Usher's set as well. If you didn't know, if you were unfamiliar with the cherry and all of that, now you know. She's viral. Uh, and before— I have no— look at Reddy. Look at my boy. Look at my boy. Yo, and, and in a lot of her response, she was talking to— and she said on the TMZ shit, she was talking to the girls in her hometown. Yeah, because she said she didn't really care about what the rest of the internet and the rest of the world was saying. Hey, you bitches back home, y'all ain't shit, and y'all ain't cute or pretty, and ain't nobody bringing you Chattanooga hoes to a stage. So suck my dick. I'm all for the bad chicken in her town dissing the town bitches. I'm not mad at that. I don't think this is a Usher problem. Usher turned around, said, hey, I don't think the young lady wants to be on stage, please escort her off.

He did it right.

He did it right.

Yeah, he did that right.

I was asking how old she was because I was thinking, like, is this that first moment where you realize you too old for the young girl? That's why I was asking it, you know what I mean?

She look younger.

Was she choosing—

I'm pretty sure she's 20-something.

She ain't look that young.

I'm pretty sure she didn't look that young.

No, no, not like that. I'm not like young, young.

I'm saying 20s.

I'm just saying this is the first moment where the girl—

say something else, you and Parks. Say something else, because I caught y'all again. Caught y'all again.

I put the gun away to save you. I put the gun away.

You two playing the same dog park a lot.

Anyway, I'm sorry about this.

Oh, oh, okay. Oh, you got something for me? The African bitches, right?

With the ass.

I already know where I'm at. Go ahead, Mark.

Go ahead.

No, please help.

No, but that's also that moment sometimes where when I heard her say that, I was just thinking like, yo, there's this moment where you realize you, you not the young dude no more.

You be trying to—

you ain't the sexy one.

That's all. Watch me try to clean it up in real time.

I'm following this one. Hey, I'm following this one behind y'all. Hey, this one, y'all hit this out the park. Go ahead.

I got nothing.

I'll say it to you, Mark.

I think the fact that shorty was like, yo, if it was Chris, I'd have been with it, I think that's her prerogative.

Yes.

Hell yeah, you know what I'm saying? I don't think she should be demonized for that.

Like, how do it feel to be the lesser light cousin?

It's not—

what the fuck you talking about?

What you talking about? When you go to family reunion, you're like number 2, you're like the second famous.

It's like my family, I'm like the second famous, like the cousin with no tats.

I don't go to family reunions, one. And then number two, I don't know that nigga.

What are you talking about?

And my family members that know us both, I'm sure they I love us both.

That's peace then.

That's peace.

I don't have nothing else.

That's it.

I just wanted to know. Hey man, listen, shout out future. Y'all could just tell the girl who y'all bringing them up for.

Y'all can prevent that, honestly.

That's all.

That's it.

It's real simple.

So we're gonna bring you on stage for Usher. You with that?

Word. Yeah. Usher's disrespectful too.

How so?

How?

Usher's from the era, man. He know what the show— he know when it's a show, what's going— listen, in Vegas, you see, he did it the G, the old school G way. When I went to the Vegas show, hey Joe, you mind if I take your lady, spin her around? All right, go ahead, spin around, nigga. That's it though. Yeah, he had no cherries then.

I ran from that nigga.

Cool.

In Brooklyn.

That's the end to that. Thank you, Usher, for recognizing us. Great show. You're a great showman. We appreciate that. Then we went and catch him at the Barclays. I came here and told y'all, the nigga seen, seen that gang came to my side, just gyrating his dick around, staring, staring like, yo, please go. Yo, why, why are we here? Niggas know what you doing when you scour that crowd. Yo, and the lights is bright from the stage, so if niggas could If niggas see something nice, something fine is going to pop up. Yo, and they be wearing fine shit to the show, dog. That's why I'm not going to that Chris Brown show. I'm sending my girl with Nat and Rachel or somebody. I'm not going to that shit.

Oh no, we'll be in there.

Do y'all let your girls hit the stage?

That's an argument waiting to happen.

No.

Any of y'all?

No.

What'd you say, Mark?

Any of y'all let your ladies go to the stage?

Mark always take it there.

Yeah.

You let your lady go to stage?

No.

Oh, okay. Cuz you ask these questions, we want you to answer.

I said no before. I said I didn't sit front row at the Usher show because I didn't want him coming near the Cherries. I sat like 8th row.

You didn't sit front row at that other show for the same reason. What's that other show we went to? Johnny Gill and them? Bobby Brown was singing to your wife.

What the fuck, he wasn't.

He was. One of them shows we went to.

I'm not thinking Bobby Brown in 2026.

Mark, no way. I ain't letting you do that. Stop talking about me.

2026. Now we was at the Jodeci show, we was ducking Mr. Dalvin in 2026. Yes, in 2027 and 2028.

Dalvin is on the list.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, fuck, I ain't—

Dalvin one of the niggas you was glad he just disappeared, nigga. Go, go away, go to a dark matter room. Dalvin and them.

Oh yeah, and when we go to the, the, uh, Wu-Tang show, my wife can't go near meth. I don't— he— when pictures come out of him and his wife celebrating shit, I send it right to my wife.

We love that, we love that, we love when that happens.

I send the pictures there every time.

That's why you in the gym.

Oh shit, is nuts.

I got it.

Yeah, anyway, uh, listen, shout out to Chattanooga Bay. Uh, I don't think you did anything particularly wrong. I don't think Usher did anything wrong in this, but super entertaining. Boy, the content streets have fed us this week.

They really have.

They really They really fed us this week. Uh, anything else in music that we need to get to?

We ain't cover Summer Jam.

Yeah, if you want to do Summer Jam, we can rock out.

That's blasphemous.

What?

That we ain't cover Summer Jam?

No, it's not.

Only two people there. Ice was there, Parks was there. I'm muting up. Oh, Flip was there. My bad, I ain't mean to play with your name, big dog.

Summer Jam is—

you be everywhere.

That's my fault. Backstage, that's my fault.

You was back there with your JBP chain.

Nah, never, never.

You didn't have it?

No, never, nigga.

Split from it.

That's Queens.

That's how you got in.

That's a mistake then, period, nigga.

I made a mistake. Thank you.

Is this the first Friday they did?

Yeah, that I know of.

They should never do that again.

I see. I took that— the venue change, the Friday— I said, okay, we might have got a better deal doing it on Friday, of course, but they should never do that again. Combined everything to one stage.

And they should never hire Zeus to be the primary source of income.

Number one promoter there was probably—

there was like 40 minutes of Baddies content up there. It was the worst shit I've ever seen in my entire fucking life.

We jumping around.

I know, but this was a terrible show.

So I have notes. First thing, because I, I get there first, I go get Parks over and we walk in together. We go through the back, whatever, get through security. Then there's a second set of security.

Yeah.

And then there's a special security.

There security. The back—

the true backstage, real backstage security. Yeah, suit it up, them boys, red bow ties. Oh yeah, I saw them, uh, Sensei J and all that.

Yeah, which I have a nice tie-in later, but carry on.

So it was like, pun intended, we were like, oh shit, this is about to be different back here now because they wasn't playing.

Not at all.

They don't give a fuck who— yo, yo, green band, you're not coming back here. Entourage, I don't care. Artists, I don't care. So there was wanted. So it was cool. Um, so we get up to the suite and we like, is it me? Well, first off, I told them, is it me? There's no lines outside.

This shit was empty, dog. This shit was—

and we got there late.

What time did y'all get there?

Probably 7:45 by the time we actually got there.

Yeah, we went straight from the pod, so we got there dumb. I'm like, wow, this feels weird for Summer Jam. Yeah, we get up there. So they, they, you know, Flex is DJing and they do a couple things, cut the lights on, and I was like, oh, y'all need to cut them back out.

Yeah, I'm talking, don't cut them lights on no more.

It—

yeah, it might have been 40%.

Really?

Yeah.

And they're posting almost sold out, almost sold out. So we were like, oh yeah, y'all, y'all playing, y'all are playing. And, um, I think we caught Conway.

Yeah, we caught the end of Conway. Uh, missed Rock and special.

On stage. All his people.

And then we had to sit through an hour and a half of Drill and Baddies, uh, records, which is Natalie Nunn.

Big Natalie. Shout out to some respect on that. No, I'm not mad at them for doing what they— no, let's go, Natalie. Hey, our beef is squashed.

Yeah, they did it though. I gotta say, like, they had a Zeus step and repeat in the back. They had one of the Baddies girls back there with the mic.

What pose you hit him with?

I didn't hit any pose.

When you, when you hit Superman, when you hit any polls.

But Zeus is your shit though. I thought this was like— this is your bag.

Normal— it was. I— we haven't watched like the last two seasons of none of them shows.

Oh, y'all slipping.

I fell off. Love Island came up.

That's true. So, you know, I was like, this is, this is all the way bad. But then Natalie was like, I'm gonna fuck this, I'm gonna do my, my big hit.

Let's do it.

And then she did it, and the whole crowd was saying this shit. I'm like, I'm just at the wrong I shouldn't be here.

Yeah, they knew all that shit.

They should go.

Baddies probably had, at least early on, the biggest crowd pop of the night.

Yeah, finally Carisha comes out and saves the day for me. Carisha was the, the best performer, the best rapper that I had seen up there outside of Conway because he was earlier.

Wow.

But like on the main 8 o'clock shit, once Carisha was there, I was like, oh, thank God. She did really well. She did really well.

I was wondering what record she's performing, she doing, you know, you trying to stay away from City Girls. She did all the slaps, the, the— she's like, let's get to the song of the Summer Jam. Had the Goyard bags on the stage and dancers each grabbed the bag, start— they throwing money in.

Brought Fat Joe out, boosting his boy. Lola Brooke. Lola Brooke too.

Shouts to Lola Brooke.

Lola Brooke been at the last 10, 10 Summer Jams.

Hey, get out there. I'm not mad at it at all.

Know.

But, um, like, it was a bunch of back and forth.

They would go from artists that we know— G Herbo, whatever— to Natalie Nunn and them, and then Karisha to whoever the next baddies group was.

It was like that.

It was—

this was Zeus production. I thought this shit was streaming on Zeus.

Even on the screens, it was just Zeus. Like, if you took a picture of the, uh, Jumbotron, it was Zeus.

Wow.

So like it was heavily Zeus. It was a Zeus Summer Jam.

So, so me and Parks have been killing it, probably on the stage.

I mean, probably Zeus Summer Jam on the stage. That's when I seen Surf and Fetty and Al B. Al back.

That's when—

so I said, oh, okay, I understand what's going on back there.

Once they came up, we went up to the stage, and this is where— back to the, the bow ties. This almost got me in trouble because the next Zeus group is a group of young men with bow ties. They're doing like some Ice Spice 4 on the floor, shit, not very entertained by that. And Rem's standing next to me and she goes, "Oh my God, it's summertime. How could you be wearing a bow tie?" I'm like, "Rem!

Rem!" Has anybody seen Rem? Has anybody seen Rem? Don't ever say that again. Brother Parks?

No.

Brother Parks. The funny shit, Rem is from Patterson though, so they out there.

Yeah, we out there. The other thing I noticed, yo, they— I don't know if it's because the show started late or the— because it was after 8 o'clock and Conway was still on stage.

Yeah.

So they was cutting folks' sets.

Like, bro, Fuddy didn't do Trap Queen, bro.

Zayn didn't get to do Twerking with Her Friends.

Wait, why?

Because they cut him. He was in the crowd performing. That's what you were talking about. Well, it came out with the suit on and shit. He's going his run. And you know Zetty Will got records, you know the records.

I would have rioted in there, bro.

He's in the crowd, he's like— I'm talking about in the 100 section. He did most of his set in the crowd rapping with a spotlight on him.

And he—

yo, the girls jumping up on the chair twerking, he's smacking ass, all that. Then the light just went out on him, his mic went out. He like, yo, no, you lying. In the middle of him performing.

Pay the extra, yo.

They had—

or somebody else said, gotta get cut short, twerking with her friends, gotta come on.

In New Jersey Fetty didn't get to do—

like he said, has to come on in New Jersey at least, at least 2 joints.

Yeah, he did 3 of his own, but he brought Surf out, he brought out—

brought Surf out, brought Harluck out, and, um, that was a just a great moment.

The baby had a good set too. The baby had a good set.

I missed his set. I was—

I didn't hear the baby. Kills every time he's at Summer Jam.

He's great.

He does.

But, uh, we left after Fetty, so you're gonna take it from there.

Yeah, they left after Fetty. Um, I had enough then.

Damn.

Yeah, and you don't leave shows early like that.

Yeah, yeah.

Uh, Mariah the Scientist went out, beautiful girl.

Um, and they—

the girls in there hung on every word, but I think she only did like 2 songs, and she was right before Max and French came out.

How many songs did you want to do?

I'm just asking.

Somebody's got it. Somebody has to take this.

Well, they might have started telling them, yo, you can only do this. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm telling you, as long as she do that one, everybody's all right.

I got that blue.

She did.

As long as that happened, we could all sing along like karaoke. That's what's up.

She was up there angelic with some shit on. Yeah, like she, she did that.

Um, did she move her hands this time or did she look shell-shocked? She be on stage looking like Thug is right there. I got that blue. It's like, yo, Thug, let This lady perform a song.

But, um, so then Max and Fridge come out, and I wish these two niggas take a nap. They might have had 200 niggas on stage.

When do they sleep, bro?

They don't, nigga.

They don't, they don't sleep. They don't, they just run for 15 years.

Shout out to Max and Fridge.

Yeah, brought Remy out. She did, she did a couple joints. And, um, then they brought you brought your man out. Oh, didn't they brought your man out?

Who flips? Who flipped me in?

No, your man.

Phoenix.

Phoenix. Shout out to Surf. I see my guy come out. Talk about it.

Phoenix flexing.

Oh, you talking about dude? That's not my man.

That's your man.

That ain't my man.

That's your man.

I don't fuck with that.

That's your man.

I don't fuck with homeboy at all. I'm talking with Street said, and I don't know him, but he could be a great guy. I don't know. He ain't an artist though.

They brought him and was like, yo, yo, yo, he gonna do the song. That's even crazy.

You lose me. That's where you lose me.

They keep saying the song.

Yeah.

And he come out and he's, he's performing that record. I didn't know up until that moment this is the other dude from Shoreline Mafia, which is a West Coast rap group.

I didn't know that either.

I had no clue.

Oh, no shit.

Because you always see OG Eazy, so I'm like, wait, Oh, this was definitely an AI song now that you're— you don't even rap like this. Like, I've heard— I know records with you on it. This ain't you. This is an AI record that caught— I don't know, and you're trying to perform with Shoreline Mafia to say— I'm speaking to it.

That's what I'm saying. They're a group.

It's two from the West Coast.

Yeah, you've heard this guy rap before?

I've heard them. Well, I played Asleep Hollywood, uh, off of YG's last album when we was doing Sleepers featuring them.

That's what ended the Sleepers. I don't remember that song.

No, no, no, they just did the whole thing.

He stupid. That was the last Sleeper to be played of this shit. Y'all lying out of here. Rest in peace to Sleepers. Rest in peace Sleepers.

But it fucked me up because I'm like, wait, that's dude this whole time?

He could go away.

Oh no. So you, you found— you tried something else and it worked? Worked, and now you just doing that. Yeah, it became like a character of it. But it definitely confirmed that that's an AI record for me. Okay, a thousand percent.

Did he, uh, perform it? Like, could you hear him, or was it just some—

oh no, I was standing— I just put the video in a group chat.

I did watch it.

Yeah, no, I was like, I was like, oh no, I gotta record this for the group chat. He's actually recording this shit. But, um, but overall, I mean, we were starting off killing the show.

Yeah, they should not do it.

They got much better towards the late— the second half, towards the end of the show. It was packed. No, I'm just saying everybody in there had a good time.

It was packed.

I know we talked about the light crowd. Maybe that was a Friday thing.

It was Friday.

That was, uh, New York. You can't— Friday after work.

Did people drive there? How many people look like they trained it?

Nah, a lot of motherfuckers drove. All in parking lots.

All right, good.

One parking lot was full though.

It was, it was It was just a— it was just crazy.

Someone got flipped running around doing this thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just shout out to Summer Jam. I mean, it was just— it was a lot, man. We ran into the Nation of Islam behind, you know, they said they were fans and stuff like that. Oh, I saw Freeze chopping up with them. Shout out to them.

He's having a blast over there.

Um, they said they appreciate the love we show them.

Well, Freeze is—

I know it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But also Mia Bell. Shout out to Mia Bell. She pressed Freeze.

She did.

She's like, yo, you know, I heard y'all on the show when y'all was talking about Mero and me being there, you was like, the girl, whoever the girl is up there, and Flip corrected y'all. But I saw Freeze—

I didn't mean no disrespect. I was just trying to know who she was.

She know that.

I wasn't trying to be funny.

She didn't mean it that way.

She didn't mean it at all. She was like, and she was fucking with Freeze. And then this is the intro, I see it. Next thing I see a video with Freeze next to her dancing to some shit. I'm like, yo, what's Freeze trying to get a job? Trying to get another job, man.

A Wrecked, huh?

What? No, nigga.

All right, and you left. You didn't— all right, it was cool. That's why I asked him.

He was there, nigga. Freeze was next. I watched it on the stories. Freeze was next to the dance.

He said, was he a wreck?

Freeze got hard.

No, Freeze.

Shout out to Mia Bell.

Shout out to Mia Bell. Shout out to Cass. Shout out to, um, Mero. Shout out to the whole crew.

Why is it funny to get hard? I've been wasting dick.

Summer Jam is crazy.

It was going right to waste.

And I cracked a joke with the nation. I said, yo, have you seen Brother Freeze in front of them niggas?

They say Freeze don't wear his bow tie, try to throw niggas off. Yo, that's what it is.

That's what it is. You should wear the bow tie.

I'm not—

with Freeze throwing his bow tie and his gold jacket, boy, today's math is being spoken.

And also, it was good to see Surf my first time. I mean, give him a hug. I love Surf, man.

It was, you know, I know he— I didn't even know he was there, yo.

Yeah, somebody tapped me, I turned around, I was like, oh, this is Surf, man.

And see him come out on, on stage in Newark, get that love from the crowd. Yeah, that was great.

They got to move that shit back to a weekend.

Yeah, they have to, they have to, they have to.

Hey, I'm still stuck, man. Shout out to French, man. French asked me how I got in this room and shit like that. I ain't like that. That's my man. But how you got here? Who let you in here?

But valid, because you don't never have credentials to where you be at.

JBP.

Was right there.

That's not happening.

He made the call.

Never. No, but French said though is that, Flip, you know, we could do content, but I'm not doing all that crazy shit where you grab shirts. And that'd be like, nigga, French, I haven't grabbed the shirt in about 5 years, nigga. I had to tell that nigga that.

You—

and I know you see the content that we on on the podcast. Cut that shit out. But it'd be the jokes.

You elevated. You did. I can't say nothing.

You said what?

I said you elevated. You did. I can't say that.

I told you that. I told you that when he was talking about, yo, we're gonna have over there, yo, Queenslip gonna come by. Say, yo, I'm not— nah, cool, because he coming here on this shit.

That's back in the day.

Yeah, yeah, that's what niggas thought about. I'm just saying, that was—

yeah, I'm just saying, it was just funny. I just found it funny.

But that was awesome.

Okay, he said boop bop, throw it in there.

Hit me.

Oh, that was our Summer Jam review.

Go back to MetLife.

We'll go back to them.

They gotta go back to MetLife Stadium.

Stadium? They ain't feel the arena. Am I missing something?

No, it was filled by then.

It was Okay, okay, okay.

They can stay there, but just have it on— he's got to coordinate a little bit better.

But they filled out MetLife when it was there, wasn't it?

Years ago.

Oh, dope.

I'm saying, so don't act like they didn't fill it out then, nigga. That shit used to be packed.

But I mean, different era, '97, different company. Yeah, it's different. That's a different relationship they had. Different music business, different landscape, different music business. A lot was different back then.

Yeah, it's different.

It's different politics involved.

You're not going to get the headliners anymore for for Summer Jam that you could back in the day, right? They don't give a fuck about that shit.

I know y'all was speaking about, uh, Summer Jam. Y'all said, uh, let me take that out.

Y'all was talking about Zetty Will.

What up? Y'all was talking about, uh, Remy popping out. Shout out to my sister Remy. And I shouldn't do this at all, but I saw Remy on Angie Martinez.

I don't do it.

Yeah, so I just want to play this real quick. Plug in my shit. Celebrity crush.

This is cute.

Skepta is the celebrity crush.

Have you met him?

Now it's weird because now this is weird. So if you met him now, I gotta act like I like him now.

You know what I'm like?

Oh, wait, slow down.

Unseparable right now for like the past, I don't know how long.

They all keep trying to like play matchmaker. It's the creepiest, most gross thing ever. Wait, are you single now?

Is that what's happening?

I'm single. Single?

That's why everybody's trying to set you up.

Skepta would be cute.

I'm crying.

I'm just saying, that would be cute, right?

I don't date.

Image-wise, I was in the same situation for almost 20 years.

Was it 20?

Holy shit.

You even know how to date? No, it's terrible.

Have you tried?

No.

That's all I got. Oh, okay. I just wanted to hit the round of applause. That's corny to do it, but I mean, it is how I feel.

She put the nigga on the back.

Oh my God.

Claim the nigga.

God, yo, I've been waiting for this day for at least 3 years. I know it's corny nigga shit, and I ain't above niggas on the internet calling me corny. I don't care. I could not be happier about it. It's fucked up. It is fucked up.

Why though? What you think, it wasn't worthy?

Stop, don't—

please don't put words in my mouth so a nigga could take something personal.

It wasn't and make it a thing. It ain't about him being worthy or not. Love knows no bounds. Yeah, so that's who you love, that's who you love. I just didn't love it. I, I didn't love it. The matching Eagles jerseys, I didn't love it. Every battle, this nigga up there, I got Remy Ma. Yeah, it looked like they was in it for two different things. And when you coming out of a serious relationship, whatever that rebound relationship is, when you go do it, I just back up a little bit because everybody should get a rebound relationship. And that's what it looked like. I'm not saying that's what it was.

Got it.

I'm saying that's what it looked like. Like, so for her to say, I'm single and my friends is trying trying to hook me up with Skepta. It says— all right, my sister. All right, man, stop playing with my sister, man. We bake, we bike, we did the rebound shit, you know what I mean? We back in our— that's, that's, that's, that's where we need to play at. That's where we need to play. And that's none of my business. Now I'm on some honey bun shit again, but, but I was happy about it.

I was.

That's all I got. I love you, Rem. I hope to see you at my, uh, birthday dinner. See, that's the thing too.

Yeah, it's tricky.

I want to see Remy at my birthday dinner. I wasn't sure on one. Take us to something else, nigga. Take us to something else before I get myself in trouble. Mark, uh, not to make this all the way serious, but have you changed your tune on there being no foul play in the Noel Wells case?

You keep I never said that.

She did.

No, I didn't. What I said was, um, when they— when it initially was reported, I said we shouldn't— this is when it first happened. I said, I'm thinking from a parent perspective, the internet— I said I didn't feel comfortable reporting on all the speculation that was happening because we didn't have enough information.

That would be irresponsible of you. Yes, I'm irresponsible.

And I don't want the parents to have to hear all these crazy things that may or may not be true. He said, wait, let me finish.

But you're lying. Do you think it was foul play? And you said, no, I don't think it was foul play. You said I did not at the time. You said it.

You did. You said, but I don't think that there was nothing that's showing it right now.

Yeah, that's not the same thing.

I completely understood what he was saying. Just, just because this group of kids went out, this one didn't come back, they did, that's all we had at the moment, that was not enough to say foul play. That's what Mark was saying.

Yeah.

And I said let's keep looking.

That's all he was saying.

And then the very next episode— you weren't here because you work half time—

the very next episode, I get a lot of money.

I, I know, I know, man. Joe's good to you. Um, I said the very next episode, I said— because you asked me the same question then— I said, yeah, now there's a lot more evidence. Not specifically—

oh, I asked you that before?

Yes, that's why this is a bizarre conversation to me. The next conversation— yeah, I know. And I pointed to the parents' response. I pointed to the judge— the mom being a judge. And I said her, her response seemed a little too scripted, and a little—

we were a little—

but you were back for this time. Um, and I talked about, um, some other things with the cell phone. It didn't add up to me. But the idea that just because you go missing and there's some white people there, to me, isn't enough to say, well, let's start saying these awful things happen to the boy, because we didn't know yet. But I said, let's keep digging. And once the parents said let's dig, then I'm like, I'm, I'm all, I'm all aboard with it. And I was also— now we see seen the autopsy, you know, there's some questions around the autopsy. There's some, there's some questions around this, the throat missing. I've been reporting on this every day on Night School. The leaked audio, the, the, the audio, the audio is crazy. Yeah, there's so much stuff to raise flags that I'm suspicious. I still don't know the answer, but I'm suspicious. If I had to, if I just had to put my money somewhere, I'd say something happened that we— something happened different than what was reported.

1,000%.

I have no doubt about that now. But when something jumps out, I just don't like the internet jumping. I think like parent, that's all, which is— that's all.

Yeah, the audio sound crazy. So what happened was, you know, uh, they called to have their boat towed.

Yeah.

And you know, usually when the call picks up, they didn't realize that the AI was recording them before the person came on the phone. So they were being recorded before the person actually— the operator came on the phone. And what you heard was, is he dead?

Yeah, he's dead.

And he's dead. Oh, Nolan, you heard that in and then the lady came on the phone, he's like, everybody shut the fuck up. And it's disgusting.

No, it's a bunch of sentences. It wasn't just one sentence.

Yeah, I mean, it was a little dialogue, like 7, 8 different lines.

And they were saying, no, he's dead, dead. Like, yo, um, confirmed it and was like, yo, what are we gonna do? I think one of the sentences— I don't want to misquote anybody— was, yo, can we cover it up? Or can we get like—

here's the thing, here's the thing for me though, and And I talked about this. The deeper thing is that I said 8, 7 to 8 kids, actually white kids, are there to keep a secret or trying to keep a secret of what happened to this black kid, if you understand what I'm saying. Like, that shit is way deeper if you look into it in the whole history of Mississippi. Like, that shit, it just is still going on to this day. You know, usually you have a situation and somebody cracks. Yo, that's what happened. These niggas is keeping the secret. I don't know what type of shit they into over there.

My mother's a judge. We got— we higher up. I'm being basically— or I can't say definitely, I'm allegedly being walked through this by professionals that know where evidence goes, wherever, like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, we know what I'm saying is that— what I'm saying is that it's, it's a bigger message. That shit is passed down to them, that behavior, the lack of compassion and all that shit. Usually in a situation, there's somebody that'll tell you like, yo, this is what happened. Oh my God, you know what I mean? The fact that all of them are silent and all of them are sticking to a story is deeper.

When I heard that audio and, and the white boy was like, hey, we're members here, I was like, oh yeah, whoa, yeah, this gets deep. This is a little deeper now because now this. It reminded me again of— I said this already, uh, the Murdaughs. The, the Murdaughs in South Carolina. When you say, uh, we're all members here, that tells me everybody— parents, friends, associates— is high-ranking into some shit. And now there's a little more to protect than whatever y'all just went out on a boat and did. Uh, again, like Mark said, we'll wait for more details. Rest in peace to Noah Wells. But it all smells smells fishy. It looks very fishy.

It does.

And Flip, yes, to your point where you saying, um, everybody keeping a secret, somebody usually say something. Well, when you being— not saying they are, we don't know for sure, but we— some— there's an assumption that they're being coached. They'll tell everybody, yo, this is cool as long as y'all all stay on board, nobody say nothing.

Yes.

Like, it ain't just one person.

This shit is like a movie to me, bro.

Watch Your Honor, the TV show.

Great show. This is literally a great show. Listen, I got two more quick sad news stories to get to and we could move on. In our Idiot of the Day, we have, uh, Kamal Pedlowski. Kamal Pedlowski is the white man who got into an argument with somebody on the boat dock.

Oh shit, he pushed his man.

Uh, pushed him, he fell, hit his head, so he was unconscious. And then Kamal Pidlowski dragged his fucking unconscious body into the water. And to add insult to injury, uh, kicked his other sneaker into the water and just walked off watching air bubbles come up. He's been convicted of second-degree murder in the homicide of Melvin Montero Jimenez. Uh, so yeah, I just wanted to say that.

And people, when the police came, he said, I think I killed my—

he was drunk— I think I killed my best friend.

God damn, they were friends.

They were friends. Yeah, he punched him, knocked him out, fell on the dock. He dragged him and threw him in the water. Shit is on video.

It's a sick world.

Ain't that much drunk in the world.

Word.

That shit'll sober you up quick. Yeah, how drunk you was.

You're right.

Lastly, we have—

and he only got second degree. Yeah, well, yeah, he didn't intend— yeah, I dragged him in the water and threw him in and left him.

The drunk part might have something to do to do with that? I don't know. I'm just trying to guess because you're right, that seems—

that seems murder-y.

Yeah.

One.

Yeah, yeah.

Lastly, I didn't get the names on this one and I'll try to find it as y'all talk, but the, the young white woman who did the Netflix, uh, trend going around who said, hey, I'm, I'm about to do a documentary about my soon-to-be ex-husband who I recently found out is a Sarah Duffy. Sarah Duffy. Rest in peace to Sarah Duffy. She did that on the Netflix shit and the husband came over there in a murder-suicide and now they both not here.

Yeah.

My God.

Yes, extremely morbid.

And they had a kid.

Yeah.

I think two kids, but I want to check on that. But rest in peace to that. That's just—

The one that started the trend of that? No, no, no, no.

She just participated in the trend. She participated in the trend. Start the trend. So she sat down in the chair and said, let me tell you about my ex-husband who I just found out is a pedophile. What I want to ask you— how do I say this to y'all?

He was a basketball coach and he was of a woman's girls basketball team and was— had relations with one of the players, allegedly, or maybe not allegedly.

I'm certainly not victim blaming here because that's sick. That is absolutely sick. I do want to implore people to think about the real-life ramifications that participating in some of these trends can have. I'm seeing far too many stories about people participating in a trend and then somebody spinning and murdering everybody.

Well, not, not, not just the trend part, just the exposing part. Yeah, like, because you use a trend to expose, so it's, it's you putting— you don't know how people gonna react to being exposed.

Yeah, that shit is dangerous.

It's very very dangerous.

It's, it's dangerous. That's all, that's all I'll say about it.

Well, speaking of exposing, I see this WNBA shit.

No.

Oh man, what'd you do? So, oh, I'm sorry, I went for, for foreign prospects with WNBA. Oh, I'm sorry, talking about something else. But, um, so player, let me get a name right. I don't want to say a name. I got it.

I got it up with the WNBA. Chicago They be riding on us. Yeah, yeah, they deep.

So Chicago Scott, her name is DeJanae Carrington, she put a post up and said, since motherfuckers want to be funny today, I'mma be hilarious. Anytime a girl writes that, you're done.

Yeah, you're done. It's over.

The beans are spilled.

Nah, nigga, it's on fire.

Yeah, they not clear. Yo, when they— they not trying to be hilarious, dog.

No.

Oh, y'all be funny?

I'm be hilarious. Not at all.

When you hear that, run, run. She says, yes, Nelissa, which is her ex-girlfriend, um, Aces forward Nelissa Smith—

few of them on that Aces—

um, cheated on me with Deja Kelly and Aaliyah Nye, plus, plus, plus many more. Yeah, I did the same thing. The exact same thing.

There's a couple hitters on them, them rookies.

And yeah, back to outing.

And how do y'all feel about outing?

I hate outing. That's disgusting.

Nope, nope, nope, no outing.

No, I mean reading it, like, like when you see it.

I'm not a— I don't like it.

I'mma read it.

I ain't a fan of none of that shit.

You too mature for podcast though. No, you are. You too mature.

Yo, out people—

you don't like reading a good story?

Now, now all of a sudden he likes it.

No, I don't like that.

I mean, you wouldn't even know who that was if it wasn't for the outing.

Yeah, I don't like the outing part. I just think— I think it's classy— classless.

I think it's tacky and it's harmful too.

Yeah, but people, they hurt, they trying to harm.

So she exposed her girlfriend, basically her ex, ex-girlfriend. Okay.

And said she was running through him out there.

Okay.

Ex got good taste.

I'm about to say, I just think sometimes it has the reverse effect. Like, you could get your, you can get your ex hot out here.

Super hot.

Yeah, some people that don't give a fuck you got cheated on, but the ex is sounding like it's some, you know what I mean? That's horrible. It's horrible.

It's horrible.

It's absolutely horrible. And during All-Star Weekend. Yeah, during All-Star Weekend this comes out. Come on What a distraction.

Yeah, right.

What a distraction.

How could you expect her to be her best?

Do we want to— what, what, where are we at on time here?

2:15.

We're at 2 hours and 15 minutes. I ain't heard a peep about LeBron.

That's a good point.

I'll push the mic away and Ice and Mark can do— look, Mark has this thing now where every pod he's going to come in here and tell us how great the Sixers are.

Ball is still sitting there.

Yeah, of course it is.

It's a Sixers—

why wouldn't it be?

We're America's team.

Well, it should be. All Knicks are at the ring makers right now. We, we in the Diamond District designing a ring. So I mean, cool, have your ball.

Go ahead. The Sixers are America's team now.

Tell them, uh, they just announced—

they just announced—

listen, listen, first of all, we've always been America. Oh my God, yo, listen to the Sixers have always been America.

We had the 250th anniversary of America, my nigga. America was started when? 1776. We had to fill it up with the 76ers. And who did we get on the 25th anniversary? LeBron James.

Mark ain't even said the word America in 200.

That's a fact.

Who y'all get? So George Washington's old ass.

What are you talking about? They just announced that the 76ers got 34 nationally televised games.

That's 46.

I thought it was 34. It's 46.

I read 46.

I thought it was 37, but we got—

don't matter.

But the point is, it's the maximum you can get under the contract, under the current TV contract, which means that they are all in on the Sixers being a team that you got to watch.

That's a must-see TV, baby.

And we gonna—

we ain't gonna disappoint. I'm just telling you right now, we ain't gonna disappoint.

So give the poll. I mean, there was a— there was a pause.

Oh, shit.

Hey, child, give the poll.

Oh, they ranked—

oh yes, Bleacher Report and other outlets ranked the best rosters in the NBA from number 30 to number 1.

I can't believe we have to—

and I want to congratulate the New York Knicks on having the third on winning the championship last year.

That was it. Another season hadn't started.

The offseason, we ain't got our rings yet.

That's cool.

Yo, listen, check this out. Surprise, you and Mark keep fucking, uh, fuming this toward me, pause, right? But I don't have a beef with y'all. I used to be there. You get excited about offseason moves when you trying to build a contender and a championship team. That ain't where we at. I don't know why Sixer fans keep looking at the Knicks. Y'all should be looking at the Celtics.

We always look at the Celtics.

We look past—

I keep hearing y'all bring up the— don't bring up niggas with jewelry.

Celtics got jewelry, but you can't bring up the Celtics. But look, the point—

they got a reason to do that.

They can't bring up the Pistons.

Of course, that's our long— that's our longtime rival.

Who can the Sixers bring up?

I tell you what we can do.

Mark gonna come in here to work day talking about, oh, we got D-Wade. I know.

I said KCP.

I said KCP. Don't even ask KCP.

No, he was Dean Wharton last week saying it like this nigga was just the neutralizer.

The Sixers have the best starting five in the league according to—

No, they don't. Let me finish. Finish him.

According to a lot of experts, uh, they do.

Um, I agree with the experts and I agree with that. That's why they had a Knicks jacket on too.

2 weeks ago.

That's how good we are. We got him to put back on the Sixers jersey.

He hasn't done that yet.

He did.

You won't believe that.

What, that we had the best 5?

And that's where me and you—

that's where this nigga just—

I think, I think this— I think the Sixers have an elite starting 5.

Magic and Sixers.

Word.

Magic and Sixers. Don't say the Knicks.

Atlanta and Sixers, maybe.

Y'all, I think so too. He told me earlier he doesn't think the Sixers win 50 games. He said they're in the high 40s. I think that's crazy. I think that's crazy.

I think your number wasn't far off.

You You said 53. 53 to 55, I think, is reasonable. I think that's a mature— because I've been counting for injuries, chemistry issues, all these things.

For injuries? Oh, because if you start accounting for injuries, MB gonna play 40 games, and that's going to leave LeBron and D-Wade at y'all 5.

How many, how many?

Anthony Davis is on the way too.

They got 40 from the Knicks. I like Huck Porty as a third string center.

Sure, third string center. Yo, who Who y'all bigs? This nigga said Boma.

I almost jumped off the balcony.

So that's not what I said, but, but, but the Sixers— no, what I said was that's our backup. What I said is every prediction I have for the Sixers is based on Embiid being healthy and playing 50. I mean, healthy for me.

Okay, that's why we— all right, that's why it don't matter what he said.

Yeah.

Oh, that's why it don't matter.

But the Sixers won— just to be clear, the Sixers won last year with 45 games with Paul George missing a ton of games for injury and that suspension. Paul George, our best player, and Embiid, uh, missing all them games you just talked about. So if we won 45 last year without Embiid, and then you, and then you add JB and LeBron. Exactly, JB and LeBron, and a deeper bench and shooting. Anthony Simons is a shooter. KCP is a 3-and-D guy.

I know he is.

I'm just saying, we added talent. I think we're more than 3 games better than we were last year.

Listen, trust the experts. That's why they the experts.

Exactly.

And trust the process. Trust the process. 53 to 55 games, we're going, we're going to finish top 3 seed in the East. And I think we do. I think we— and I think we kill in the playoffs.

A top who?

A top 3 seed.

Got you.

First round exit. You don't believe what you do.

You think the Sixers will be a first round exit? Yeah. You want to bet on that, Mark?

Do it.

Yes or no?

Yes.

Okay, how much you want to bet right now the Sixers will be a first round exit?

Whatever you want to bet.

$5,000.

Look at him, look at him.

$5,000, is that fair?

Now take it back.

That's when you know they can talk shit.

Back him down, back him down. No, I want to bet on my, on my team. Yeah, mute your tight shirt up, boy. Yeah, you better look up to the sky. Mute up. I want to bet on my team. Do you have the Sixers beating the Knicks next season? We could bet 5 to 10 grand. On that immediately.

Beating them what?

Right this second. Beating them right there.

Oh, beating them in what?

I'm saying, I'm saying, you talking regular season or playoffs?

I'm asking you, talking about— no, cuz last time we bet on who had a better regular season record. I'm asking—

we can do that too. Um, regular season record and playoffs, we could bet both. 10-10, 5-5.

I wouldn't bet that, cuz I'm not predicting that. I just say we're going to have top 3 in the playoffs then.

Why?

When playoffs come, we talk.

5-10, 15, anything you want to do. Please don't run, don't call out, don't go to Martha's Vineyard, don't go to your other content house, don't get I would never duck the bet from you. No, you pay.

Not even talking about paying. I'm talking about even making the bet. I bet on Sixers every year against all odds. We ain't won a chip, we ain't won in 50 years. I still bet on them.

Mark, people that are brilliant in most areas got to be stupid in some.

That— you just making my point. My point is I ain't ducking.

No, you're not ducking.

Then that's all we got to say.

Pay it up. Pay it up. Chase the chase, my boy. Send that shit right through.

We'll see.

Y'all better not play the Magic in round one. I'm telling you. No, he going to—

they could get out the first round.

He going to pay me. I ain't say I got to see Embiid be healthy. I ain't saying that.

I ain't saying that. We can win a first round without Embiid being healthy.

I think they got a bunch of players that do the same thing.

They all guards, and that's what I told him.

I don't think— well, could structure my team yet.

We not done.

Y'all only want money.

Y'all got 3 months.

Y'all don't have—

what do you mean you're not done?

Not done.

Just watch.

Just watch. Watch what?

Just keep watching.

You get KCP and that is your team. There's no other maneuvering. You're done. You can't buy salary cap, you're finished.

Yo, y'all got 3 max players, bro.

KCP wasn't supposed to fit. When you get— look, when you get LeBron James and a team that is supposed to be a winning team, you could go get a whole bunch of 40-year-olds, but you get people off waivers. You can get size off waivers, you can get 3 and D off waivers mid-season, you can get people off waivers. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Don't just—

don't be surprised.

So what's gonna happen when LeBron go to, uh, JLo? AJ Brown locker and say, yo, what's that shit you were saying about my kid again?

Nothing. What?

So not chemistry issues?

Whatever issues—

and Philly should know about chemistry issues. I keep letting that Eagles story that's been confirmed fly by, but we called it a few years ago. It's been confirmed. I think it was Chris Broussard or somebody, and you told me too. I don't know nothing about AJ Brown and, uh, and, uh, Hassan.

Whatever issues they got, that's been resolved before LeBron got here. That's what all I'm going to say. That's all I'm going to say.

That's what took so long to get this shit though. We got to make sure we straight.

But what I did think was interesting is LeBron's not going to be living in Philly. You heard he's going to be commuting from New York.

Well, you've seen the Philly houses, right?

I don't give a fuck where that nigga live at.

Have you seen real Philly?

With his tip-off paws.

Why was that a shock?

I just said it was a shock.

I thought it was interesting. You imagine LeBron in a row house?

That's all we got.

All we got is bandos.

LeBron.

No, everybody He'll be in New York. He's going to be helicoptering in. Yes. Every day, they said. Which I think is dope. I think that's fly. You know what I mean? But when I think about the helicopter fees and all that shit, for a $4 million contract, he ain't gonna make no money.

He wanted to be a Knick so bad. You could tell he wanted to be a Knick.

LeBron ain't gonna be making money in New York.

Like, that's why I enjoy this position y'all in, pause, about being excited about your offseason.

And moves.

I used to be there, right? As a Knicks fan today, it feels good to know that Giannis was begging to come to the Knicks. Begging, was he?

Yeah, yeah, he was. It was his first choice.

Begging. Y'all ain't want to break up the chemistry? Well, Cat showed out and then we won a chip. They even put the report out while the playoffs was going, saying, hey, the Bucks are waiting to see if the Knicks choke to see if something happened. So it feels good knowing Giannis wanted to be a Knick. Rich Paul said, hey, if the Knicks didn't win a chip, LeBron James would be a Knick for sure. That'd be the only team on the list. It feels— it's unfamiliar, but it feels good for the Knicks to say, hey, big dog, we good, we not star chasing no more.

I think that's dope.

We good. And to do that coming off of a championship— yo, I'm talking championship talk. There's nothing for you to say in this.

I think that's super fun.

I'm talking about out when your team wins a championship in your lifetime.

Dr. J, we won one in my life.

Dr. J ain't there.

We won one.

Moses Malone ain't there. Theo Ratliff. Who else y'all had? Yeah, Eric Snow ain't walking through that door, buddy. It's over. I know, I'm just naming niggas now. I know, I'm just naming niggas. The Sixers.

Anywho, shout out to the Sixers.

Um, what else is important, unimportant, needs our attention, don't need our attention?

Something by y'all, right? So there's been a— in the educational, educated Twitter, educated Black Twitter, there's been— y'all know what I'm talking about. That's not a diss. I'm not talking about the story you think I'm talking about. There's been an intense debate about this Talladega dress code. Have y'all seen this?

No.

This school is basically saying all the students have to go— I know you saw it.

All the students—

no durags, no bonnets.

He don't see nothing.

He's on threads.

No durags, no bonnets, and no, um, flip-flops, I think.

Okay, to school.

To school.

And there's like bonnets, flip-flops, durags, durags. Yeah.

And this is kind of a thing at HBCUs a lot of time. Morgan State had one before in the business school. Other people have it where they— where they had to wear a dress. You had to literally wear suits.

Is this school HBCU?

Yeah. Okay. So, and the idea— and I'm torn about it, you know what I mean? Because I, as an educator, I'm like, yo, I don't I don't think you need— I don't need my students dressed up to go to school. I don't think you need that. But I also feel like going to school, there is value to it, to get preparing people for a world. And I feel like sometimes every time we tell black kids to dress up, there's a bunch of people who got good jobs and good money telling people that it's a bad idea and that we're just doing it to please white people. You know what I mean? And some people are, and I hear that. That's not always true. But it's not always true. And so I struggle with— like, Black folk have dignity and professionalism without white kids.

Yes, a thousand percent.

You know what I mean? But I also don't want to worship a dress code and believe that you can dress your way out of poverty, dress your way out of racism, dress your way out of all that other shit. So it's a complicated argument. I know y'all people say I take both sides on it. If I had to take a position, I would say I'm against dress codes in school.

I am too.

But I understand— I don't want to demonize humanize people who do it. So I was just like, if y'all— how do y'all feel about dress codes in school, either for the kids or for— and this is college.

Oh, it goes farther actually. Um, I'm torn. I'm torn because you could live on college campuses and have an 8 o'clock class and you've been studying until 2 in the morning and the last thing on your mind is what the fuck I got on. So you could throw on some sweatpants and a fucking whatever and haul ass across campus to be be there on time. So I, I, I—

but you know they gonna say that's when you got to go to work at 9 AM, we got to be to work.

No, that's not true, because when typical person that works a 9 to 5, they not up at 2 in the morning with a strenuous 18-credit schedule where they busting their ass to study. That's not always the case, right? So I think that, um, what about the— I see both sides. I, I think that, um, and this is the whole thing behind corporate for it sometimes.

And—

or dress codes in clubs when niggas used to say, yo, when you got hard bottoms on, you're less inclined to get into some physical altercation. You less inclined because you in a different mind frame.

You better not, them boys slippery.

Yeah, I see both sides. I think that you are preparing your kids to, um, carry themselves in a dignified manner. I don't necessarily know if the wave caps and the bonnets, um, convey that. So I'm torn. I see both sides. Um, it's tough.

I'm muting up on this for obvious reasons, but my— I don't know nothing about none of this college stuff.

But you—

but my question to y'all is, do y'all believe uniformity leads to uniformity? Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

No, no, I see. I don't think it's a uniform. I do, because it's not a uniform.

They just saying The answer is yes, you do believe that. And you're saying that is a uniform though?

No, it's not.

It's not.

It's not everything. A dress code is not a uniform. A uniform is all of these people are wearing the same exact thing, right? So the uniformity thing kind of takes away your individualism. So I don't necessarily stand in that, but I do understand. It's like when you go to the military, the military cuts your hair and you do all of that shit because I want y'all to operate as one. I don't want you to still hold on to who you are, because now we teach you how to perform in a unit or a collective. Um, I think that a dress code is not uniformity, so I don't think it applies.

Okay, I, I agree with that. I, I think uniforms though, or dress codes, still can limit your creativity.

True, I agree.

Yeah, you know what I mean?

That's what I'm trying to say.

Yeah, and there's a kind of uniformity that comes with it. It's not uniform, but it's, it's still, it's, it's a certain, certainly a certain kind of genre of dress best that you could wear.

It's a mindset that you're preparing somebody, that you're conditioning somebody.

I mean, you trying to tell people the real world though. Like, like you said, every time this happens, there are people that come out with great paying jobs that'll say, hey, I got this great paying job without this. But that's a minority. That's not the overwhelming majority. So you can— you, you kind of setting them up for failure a little bit because if you think, all right, we don't need this, we could go out any kind of way and everybody could go get a job up here making all this kind of money. Well, no, everybody can't. It's gonna be a little bit harder. Whereas there are companies that you'll make decent money at, but they'll have a dress code.

Yeah.

And you don't want to tell a kid, fuck all that, you could do whatever you want to do and you're guaranteed to succeed. You kind of selling a false image there. You're giving them false hope. So I don't, I don't like that idea of, nah, yeah, everybody's seen this, but the outliers, the exception to the rule becomes the rule when people start talking.

I think it also, I've all obviously staying quiet for obvious reasons as well. Uh, I think it's also weird though at a college level where it's not— this is not high school, this is not some mandatory shit. I'm paying y'all. Yeah, y'all not gonna tell me how to dress, but y'all paying.

But y'all, but look, y'all are paying me for— to prepare me for the next step, right?

And they don't want—

so y'all not just giving me the education, y'all giving me the tools, everything I need to at the next level.

I think that part of that is going to come with the physical appearance.

I went to state school, man.

But that's an interesting point, Parks, because I think state school is different, you know what I mean? And, and I've taught at state or state-sponsored schools and all that stuff, and I would never expect a dress code. Yeah, but the HBCU mission is different.

Yeah.

And so if we say we're like family here and we're raising you in a certain kind of way, that's part of what you're paying for. In the same way, like when you pay paying for like military school. You're paying for a certain— you're paying to somebody else, right? Yeah. If I'm paying for public school or a regular private school, I'm not paying for somebody to yell at my kid. But if I, if I were into the military, which I'm not, I would want that.

Oh, you're saying from the parents' perspective?

Yes, yes, yes. And the kid— I'm saying you're buying into the program when you go to HBCU, and part of it is to say, we're going to love you a certain way, we're going to discipline you a certain way, we're going to prepare you a certain way.

Because yeah, in some households, when you go in there, see your they ask you to take— no matter how old you are—

to take your durag off or take your bonnet off.

So it is a rule. I understand what they're saying. If they just talking about durags and bonnets and no flip-flops, I can see.

I see.

That's not nothing to—

it's more than that. And to your point that you're paying, hey, most private schools that you— I'm talking about elementary uniforms, or private schools, period.

But that's different because your parents are paying for it. As a college student, some people's parents paid for their college, obviously. Oftentimes they're not though.

No, but you said I'm paying you to go here, so I'd wear what I want, talking about to the school. I'm saying the same thing. The student, whether it be your parent paying for whoever, you're paying to go to this school.

But that's very different because, back to your point, if as the parent I'm putting you in this school because I want you to be in the uniform and all this shit, if I'm an adult, which a college student is, I am paying for this unless you're parents are paying, which, yeah, yeah, it's different.

Strong. Yeah, Mark's mission point is strong. Like, if you know, if you go to Harvard, you're not only going for the education, you're going for a bunch of other things that Harvard represents and presents, for sure. So if you walking around and you at Georgetown, or if you're at Howard, or if you're at Morgan State, and you want this school to project certain shit, and you got everybody walking around with bikini thongs on— they're legal, you you could wear a thong.

I—

that's not necessarily the message that we want to be sending at this institution.

I just love that you said bikini thong. I'm out of here.

What up, Mark? I really appreciate you bringing up this HBCU uniform topic to the pod while you on absolute fire out there for smoking on that pan. I love you bringing us this topic.

That's peace.

And then to your platform, bringing doing that shit. That's sizzling, smoking, piping hot. This boy is— I wasn't trying to be.

Yes, you were.

Mark, let's do it. Give it to us, man. Yes, you were.

I wasn't.

Nothing about the read in this email that you got to book or whatever, you were like, oh, this will be a healthy, good—

well, that's the wild thing, right? I saw this video come out of— with Jamal, Pastor Jamal Bryant, talking about that situation with Cheyenne Bryant. And this dude, and I saw the internet dudes working like 15 minutes. They had dudes' LinkedIn up, they had his phone number, they had the email, his Gmail account that was used for the university, for the school.

Come on, dog.

It was upgraded, he had Yahoo before that.

Oh shit.

And so I was like, I said to myself—

Gotta book him.

Yeah, I said— Gotta book him. In fairness, it was a Saturday night.

That's what he said, oh, this is a layup.

It was a Saturday night, my wife Got him in the scope.

Yes.

My wife had gone out. She had left me unsupervised. I had like a good hour. We'll get back to that.

Yeah.

I said, you know what? Let's see if we can book him. And I was like, he ain't doing shit.

He ain't doing nothing.

I said, when are you free? He said, what you doing now?

See? I was like, oh, let's go.

He don't know. He don't. That's the thing. And so I assume anybody who had the balls to make a university and give out degrees I had some game. I actually expected it to be like a joust. Like a duel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought I liked my chances, but I didn't think it would be like this.

Like that, yeah.

But then when he said, you know, give me 5 minutes to get settled, and I opened up and he was sitting in front of a project or apartment building with a Gucci shirt on and waves. No, I mean, you the university president. We just talked about uniforms and shit. And he clearly didn't go there.

What was your first thought when you cut the camera on and saw him sitting there?

I was like, make sure this shit is monetized. Double shake monetization on YouTube.

When I saw that thing, I was like, oh, this is about to go up. Because Mark— Mark, I do think Mark is a diabolical shady bitch.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

But there's no way that Mark could have known the gold that was about to come. No, that's what I'm saying.

How could you have known that shit was like falling from the sky when this— Yeah, and mind you, all that shit I dumped, he emailed me the degree. He emailed me all that shit right before we started, so I'm reading it as I'm doing the interview. That's why it took me a second, right? But like, I was like, you giving me this shit? And then every question I asked him, like I said, because I looked at the diploma and I saw two signatures on the left and the right and they look similar, I thought it was his wife. So I was just like, who's the vice president? I thought he could say my wife. When he said it's me, what, nigga? I didn't see that shit Nigga, that's all you can say.

Yeah, I couldn't believe what I was watching. I saw it at like 8 in the morning.

I watched that shit this morning, nigga. I was in tears.

But it seemed like homeboy, still while he was actively in the blender, didn't know really, or didn't care.

That's the problem with narcissism sometimes, you know what I mean?

He was repeating.

You'd rather be in the spotlight jousting than out of it looking normal. So like, you don't care in that moment, and you think you're winning. When you, when you, you know, talking to him was like like talking to my teenage daughter. Well, you know, like, and I don't mean that with any disrespect, just teenagers. Oh yeah, what I mean is like when you talk to teenagers, all you got to do is ask them one more question and that, that next question always gives you the answer you really want.

It's going to come right out. That's going to tell you exactly what you need to know.

Are there going to be adults at the party? Yes. Are her parents going to be there?

No.

Who are the adults?

21.

Park your little ass there.

Exactly. Would the parents be there all night? Well, no, they're going to— all you got to do is ask one more question, you get everything you need to know if you know what to ask. And everything I asked him, just one more question. We did a special degree for her. Well, how many degrees have you ever given out?

One. One.

And then he says, in my defense, we've only been open since May. Thank you.

That shit was funny, bro.

It was amazing.

I was like, Marcus finding the low-hanging fruit right right now, but I'm entertained.

But honestly, at the end of the day, I think that interview helped Cheyenne Bryant, because if you, if you get to the end of it, you realize she had nothing to do with it. She had nothing to do with it. She didn't, she didn't ask him for a degree. And like you said, it's in her PO box right now. And he was po— because when I talked to him ahead of time, he made it seem like they had coordinated together. But again, you just ask one more question. That picture of them together was when he was an extra on Love Hip Hop, I believe. So she— I mean, her team came out and said, like, Mark's right, like, we don't know him. So you can't blame her for that. That's not on her.

No, it's not.

Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, like, just one more question. That's the lesson to journalists out there. Just ask one more question. Just ask the extra question.

Oh my God, bro.

That was a mess.

But I was entertained.

That was a mess, but I mean, I identify. I shouldn't be the distributor of degrees either, because it will be a line of—

Yo, you be giving out degrees for your MCs.

People that would have some degrees.

This nigga made a whole school.

That's crazy. That is crazy, son. Before Umar.

Wow.

His shit open. They giving shit out. Wow. It's a joke.

Wow.

Don't disrespect Umar. Like, Umar shit is real. This dude has some shit fake.

Yeah. I love the fucking— the way Ish and Mark came in here after the Umar school shit. They was like, oh, I'm working at this school.

Shut your fucking mouth.

I will work at Umar. To this day, as soon as school— I'm going to work.

Dr. Umar invited you to come down and speak at a school or potentially give a class in, uh, audiovisual, whatever, you wouldn't do it?

I would have to think about it. I have to talk to Ian.

You have to ask the white man?

Why you gotta talk to Ian?

You have to ask the white man?

I run all my affairs through Ian.

I know the white man.

I thought you— Ian worked for you.

He does.

So you don't make that—

that's part of it. You make that You hire people that are knowledgeable.

You know what final call is?

Would I come do a class at Umar's school or speak? Gotta see, man. Y'all said y'all would work there, like be the janitor.

I would volunteer there.

I would volunteer.

I would teach a class. I would teach a language there.

You know what's funny about these niggas? I'm trying to make a joke, but I do believe them. They got good hearts. That good heart shit is overrated, man. Nah, I'm telling you. Who the fuck would want that.

So why won't you go to, uh, the, uh, Jesuit School of Indiana Southwest and do a class?

As soon as they get a building, I'm there. As soon as they get a website, do it online, do it virtual. They ain't got a website.

Send a Zoom link out.

You know what I'm saying? They got Gmail.

That's true. Yo, he said he was, he was charging $75,000 for doctorates and then he had 250 students.

You got his contact stuff?

Word.

Hold up, I think he was lying, but I started GoFundMe.

Maybe he'll give me a discount.

Yo, but that's it. That's not a bad hustle.

Do bulk. What time? What? And if I'm, if I'm going too far, I want to tell him 6 PM. What time did you stop being alone? Oh shit.

All right, come on, man. She just want to know.

That's my last question. She came, she came home in time to see the interview. Like, uh, she got home like a— it's a good question. Uh, maybe like 11:30, 11:45.

She proud of you?

She was cracking up. She usually— we usually don't watch this stuff, but she just thought it was funny. She thought it was ridiculous and funny.

I'm surprised I didn't hear her in the background.

No, that, that's, that's the best interview I've seen in a long time. Shout out to Mark. Yes, she is absolutely crazy. Who's your next big—

I don't know, man.

Who you plotting on?

I'm not plotting nobody, but I'm working on some, uh, some other— I want to do some investigative stuff. I want to be like the Pablo Torre of, uh, bullshit.

Oh, I'm so glad. I think you got a bright future now. Oh, you got Mike RuPaul, if you go talk to him about what Tops may be up to, like, is LeBron signing to Tops now?

No, I, I—

LeBron, that caliber, for $4 million a year, going to Philadelphia of all places.

He wants a championship.

I wonder if there's some Topps stuff going on, you think? No, no, no, we want to bring a championship.

Like, you think his Fanatics deal has changed any?

Yeah, or maybe LeBron—

that should be your first case you crack.

No, no, Jalen Brunson.

That's the first one.

Yeah, look at y'all.

Yo, you say they still got Kawhi hemmed up, they can't even complete that trade because of Pablo Torres.

Yeah, I know.

Yo, shout out to Pablo.

Shout out to Pablo.

Don't let Ish catch you in the street.

Ish gonna fuck y'all up.

Shout out to Pablo, but watch your back when you in Brooklyn, nigga.

What he do to Ish?

Huh? Ish don't fuck with him.

He just cooks Ish's grits, man.

Ish hates—

what?

He burns them up. He—

I know what you meant, But nigga, when?

No, no, he's upset. Ish doesn't like how he handled the Ylenia investigation. Oh God, he thinks he's basically a rat bastard. He's a rat.

He called him a rat bastard.

Oh yeah, so I get it. I mean, I don't agree, but I get, I get his frustration.

So you just got time? You just, you just want to, you know what I mean, do some new investigative work and get your shit off? Me?

Yeah.

Yeah, man, I want to develop some new platforms, you know. I think we need— I think all of us need to kind of branch out, do new shows, do new platforms, find new, new ways to go, you know what I'm saying? Just doing new shit. So That's gonna be my new shit.

Anybody here have any thoughts on, uh, the new Black Panther they announced?

He looks— he resembles—

what's his name?

I don't know, the British dude, right?

Yeah, David Johnson announced as the new Black Panther, T'Challa's son.

I, I think the casting If he can act— I haven't seen him act.

He can act.

It was a no.

He can act.

He was—

I only seen one thing, but if— Long Walk. Yeah, but if, um, the casting is amazing. He looks like he's related to him, bro.

Yeah, but they can't— they gotta stop using British actors for— they should got somebody from Wakanda.

Like, the casting— he— they couldn't have found a better person to resemble him. So if they get it off, they get it off. Um, they said that they shot away from, uh, Damson because they said he was bigger than the role. I don't necessarily agree with that, but that would have been an interesting choice.

It seemed like that's the choice everybody was waiting for.

They were calling for that immediately. Yeah, yeah, they were calling for Damson, but I don't see why. I don't think he was bigger than the Marvel role.

I don't think anybody's bigger than—

you know what I'm saying? In there, our Black Panther nothing.

Not Black—

yeah.

So when is Black Panther, uh, 3 supposed to be released?

2028, I think. Oh yeah, 2028.

Well, January of 2020, right?

Or December 28th. All right, cool. Well, I'm gonna see— I support Ryan Coogler.

Yeah, that's what I'm sure— I don't care who he had, like, honestly, his, his credit is—

I can't even think that far. We got Dune coming up. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't thinking that far to 2028 when it's Dune time. Uh-oh, uh-oh, what they gonna do? What they gonna gonna do it. Pun come, come knocking at the door. And he was— whoa, yo, so I heard that Christopher Nolan has two brothers and one of them is a hitman that hasn't been seen in the public in 25 years. Really?

What?

I know one of them's, uh, right— I think he wrote Memento, or one of them, he wrote something.

I can't— I cannot confirm the hitman thing, but it is something that's been floating around. And judging by Nolan movies and Nolan's mind, it makes perfect sense to me. It just makes perfect sense that he would have a hitman brother.

Yeah, that's it.

It does track.

It does track.

Anyway, speaking of hitmen, unfortunately, there's no more sad news, but I— everything I hear about David—

lock him up.

I just want— I mean, it almost makes me not believe even due process, right? Like, this shit is disgusting, man. It's like every detail, man. It's like, this is like the nastiest, ugliest thing I've ever seen or heard in my life, man.

Yeah, I have it written here as David is a different type of evil. Yeah, it's a different type of evil, dog. It's, it's, it's, it's sickening. Yeah, it's sickening to, to hear the facts, hear more facts. Uh, I got thoughts on the parents.

He went to church with them and shit like that.

Yeah, man, we'll wait for due process.

Yeah, everybody deserves due process. Yeah, everybody, you know, but it's just, it's just, it's just—

but they got him dead to rights. They got him dead to rights. They, they got all the information you could possibly have. They got the whole route. They got the lie. They got when he took her cell phone and text himself. They got the cell phone coordinates. They got the text that say, hey, I'm pregnant. Hey, I'm blowing you up tomorrow, nigga, you done. They got, they got it all. They got the motive. They got how. They got your, your Uber Eats order of chainsaws and whatever the fuck you ordered. Yeah, inflatable chainsaw, dog.

Yo, this would be the greatest frame job in the history of the in the world if he's not guilty. I'm not saying it's not possible, but when they— when they— when the prosecutor put forward the evidence to, to show that they have, you know, enough cause to move forward, this shit was— I mean, I've never— I've never seen anything more overwhelming.

The tweet a week later, talking about DK, he's a sicko, yo. Or like, go sit him up somewhere.

Yeah, the only— I'm gonna say the only question is whether he has an affirmative defense of, you know, mental illness. That's the only thing he might get it is because it's so sick that you can almost say like, no, no, same person, no same person could do, could be this depraved.

It's hard to argue stuff like that when there's so much premeditation.

I'm with you, I'm with you. But I think that's the only argument he has, that's the only game he— I don't think it works, but I think that's the only card he has left to play. I agree with you though, I don't see it.

Isn't there a high bar for insanity?

It is, it's pretty high, it's pretty high. Mental illness isn't enough, cuz like 80% of people in prisons have some form of mental illness. It has to be like severe, severe, severe. It's tough. I don't see it working.

I don't see it.

Get them out of here.

Yeah, man, I say lock the parents up too, but whatever.

You said what?

I said lock the parents up too.

I don't know the parents' story. I, I, I don't know enough to—

they're saying that her parents were aware of their relationship. I think that's what he's referring to. Yeah, and his parents were too.

Yes.

Oh wow.

And again, I don't know, I'm just getting the details as they come out. But if you, if you learned— and again, I'm not— well, it sounds like I'm blaming, so I don't want it to sound like that. If you learn that your 11-year-old daughter is dating the 18-year-old artist Taking the phone ain't it.

Facts.

Taking the phone didn't do nothing. So sorry, he shipped a new phone to the school. Now you're like, that, that didn't— they need— they needed to be more action taken in that moment. For whatever reason, it was not.

And it has to be your mission that that was their last communication.

Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't get that. But that, that goes into there just being a lot of things I don't know.

That's that new— newer parenting thing of being my kid's friend. Like, it's a lot of people that, that I don't really—

I don't even think it's that.

No, I'm saying a lot of people— a lot of people don't want their kids to not like them, so it's like, I want to treat you a certain way, and it might have a conversation, take your phone, but I'm not going to go too crazy because I don't want you to hate me as your parent. Your job ain't to be your kid's friend.

Now that part I agree with.

It's a lot of that.

Just their friend.

It's a lot of that happening though, for us. A lot of, you know, relaxed— I'm not gonna say discipline, but relaxed, just enforcement, because I don't want my kids to hate me.

Look, man, let's move to something serious because we haven't talked about Mom Donnie.

Goddamn it, I love Mommy as much as the next man.

Not more than me.

That's true. That's true.

Nobody loves Mom Donnie more than me. He just announced— no, no, I mean it gay. Play.

I know.

Um, he announced announced yesterday he's gonna open 5 new grocery stores that will be available for 30% below retail for all the people out there in New York, all the poor people in New York. So just shout out to him, shout out to them. But fire, I got beef with Kyle Kuzma. You see Kyle Kuzma coming for him on Twitter?

Yes, I did.

Yeah, I did. I'm not a shut up and dribble guy. I want all the athletes to come out and speak and speak their mind, but don't sound stupid. And when you look at what he wrote, it looked like it was made with AI, man. I don't know what Kyle Kuzma is up to. I don't like how Kuzma said—

for the people that don't know, we have a mayor trying to act like a president.

Exactly. And he's not. He's simply doing what he's supposed to do.

Job. No, but he should act like the president.

Oh, you know what, could be worse, right? Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yo, you, you just, um, are responsible for a smaller landmass in a smaller area, but you still are kind of running it based on the, the needs of of your constituency.

He was trying to say that he was— he's saying because Mendani was talking about arresting Netanyahu when he comes to New York, that he was saying that's not in your place. And Mendani said, that's not my place. He said, I checked the law, I'm not allowed to do that, but we still don't want him here. You're allowed to say that. And all he was doing to me, Kyle Kuzma, was chirping and responding to what all them right-wing people were saying. And people called him out on it. Rosenberg called him out on it. And he clapped back on Rosenberg, basically told him you only get to talk when G Bro let you talk, and he clapped back at some other people. I responded to him quiet, like a mouse pitting on— pissing on—

now you in the scope, Kyle. So now we interviewing you.

Tread lightly, Mr. Kuzma.

Oh, now I get— I just did the math. You said you started your new investigative series, and now you know what type of time you on. Oh yeah, I know what he on.

Big Mar, I like it.

I'm not mad.

You gonna find where the body's buried.

I'm not mad. I had a quick question for y'all. Uh, yeah, this though. Have nothing to do with nothing, but, uh, the dude Ashton— Ashton Hall sat with, uh, Cam Newton and said that he didn't do the— he, he didn't, he didn't end up— he didn't end up doing a partnership deal with Saratoga because they didn't offer him equity. The internet started killing him over it. Just a light topic. Where do y'all stand on, on this, on what he he should and should have done. I mean, should and shouldn't have done.

What were they killing him over real quick? The fact that he—

well, the internet was killing him, but how dare you approach a company that's existed since 1874, all right, and ask them for equity rather than taking the, the pay, if it was good pay, and just putting it to wherever you saw fit, or taking the money and investing in the company if you believe in what addition is going to do.

I mean, you miss all the shots you don't take, man.

I mean, I don't think— I don't think he was wrong for asking for it. Yeah, but I wouldn't not do any deal whatsoever because they didn't give me equity. I don't think— I mean, I'm not in his shoes, but I mean, you already did that.

Crazy.

You did all that advertising, you might as well get some money for it.

Yeah, and they were willing to pay him, but you know, some—

you know, man's had 444 playing and just was like, you know what, talk about equity and they automatically assume that that's the first negotiation position you take. Yeah, you got to build up a, a brand and a name and a following and an audience to be able to go in a room and demand equity.

I wish he did.

Oh, you could ask, you just— if it doesn't work out, there's—

yeah, but people, people, a lot of people got with the water, putting the water on his face, right?

Wash his face.

Yeah, yeah, he built He built— I mean, he built—

he built up what?

He built a following, nigga.

Not a following that you could go on and ask a company that's 200 years old for some equity in.

What type of following does that look like to you?

Not that. You need following that can move.

Um, what I'm saying is that he built the following.

I mean, yeah, but I mean, we all have a following. I wouldn't ask Nike for equity. Followers and a following are two different things.

I don't understand.

You know that, right?

There's nothing wrong with asking Nike for equity though. That's my thing. And I'm I'm not saying you're saying that. I'm just saying ask. If they say no, be cool with it. I only got an issue with him if he were outraged that they said no.

Nah, I mean, he said he didn't do a deal with them because they wouldn't—

because they wouldn't give him equity, which means there's a level of delusion there.

A lot of them— we get led by people like, like, like Joe Button can ask somebody for equity because Joe's built up an audience over the last 20 years prior to him just jumping off the porch. I think that if Ish and I started a podcast and for us to go ask, uh, Fiji for equity, I think that's a miscalculation.

I do too, of course.

But I'm just saying, I'm not going to drag him for that.

If he's willing to make the—

make that miscalculation and live with the consequences. Oh, true. You know what I mean? Now, if he was—

I'm not dragging him.

I don't think you're doing that. But if he went on Twitter and was like, fuck Fiji, or fuck Santogan in this case, they're not trying to do that.

You know what I mean?

You have a right to ask. I came to a podcast 10 years after it started, and I wasn't afraid to ask for equity. And because I got it, you know what I mean, a lot of people, you know, would say that was a crazy move, but they didn't— I mean, you got to do what you got to do. That's peace.

Yeah, shut your stupid ass up, nigga.

What I was just saying, he built up a following. He didn't build up a following, he built up a bunch of followers. Not a following. That's not—

they don't move.

That sounds like hate to me.

It's not hate.

It's not hate.

Impact from a following is different. Like, you use the Joe example. Joe has a legion of— he has a following that I can move to this company and they will follow me.

Don't interrupt Freeze when he bigging me up.

I don't think that dude—

I don't think you, nigga.

Yeah, like, but what I'm saying, hold on, I don't think that dude, if he decided to say, yo, fuck Saratoga, I'm going to this water water brand over here that everybody's gonna buy that water.

Got it.

That's not— that you don't have power like that. That's where the equity comes in.

What do you base that off of?

You have to show it. You have to do it.

That niggas don't— I get it, I get what y'all saying. It doesn't hurt to ask. He sounds like— right, that's it.

But some people are going in asking too. It don't hurt to ask. It never hurts to ask. Worst thing they can say is no. Well, it's not true. Other things happen too. But a lot of people, I think, are hearing these conversations that the, the higher-up businessmen are having and are saying like, yo, yo, you, you just taking a deal? We don't take deals without equity. So now they, in their mind, thinking even at the lower level, I'm walking right into the big company saying I want equity.

I agree.

Well, guess what? No, my nigga, that's not how it works.

And it's also not fair. I mean, as a business owner, I can tell you I've had people ask me for equity, um, particularly, well, in a couple businesses. And I'm always like, I spent all this time building it. I'm almost insulted at that. I'm almost insulted at that. And I'm not almost— I am insulted at the ass.

Which, which could shoot yourself in the foot when you start talking about negotiations, going and asking for equity. Yo, get the fuck out my office and leave the door open.

Now there are people who have asked me who have worked hard enough to deserve something. I'm not saying everybody's in that boat, right? But I've had people coming out the gate— I'm talking about like the first day I meet them— like, hey, I'll manage your coffee shop, but I want equity. But I want equity. I want to own this percentage of it.

And it's like, are you crazy?

What? You just came— you just came here yesterday.

I'm certainly not gonna kill nobody nobody for asking. Ask whatever you want.

Facts.

Uh, what I will say to Ashton is, uh, big fish small pond always better than big fish big pond. That's all I got for you, buddy.

1000%.

Big fish small pond. Go take, go take rinky-dink water.

That's what we should have did.

I would go put that shit in every video, get them an audience they never saw, never seen. All of their little C-suite niggas blowing away. Oh my God, for all of the followers to freeze this point that you have, put this product in front of their face, they'll be impressed in a way that, uh, Fiji won't, or Saratoga won't, or go to Signature. Signature's big too, let me not say that. Uh, but just any one of—

anybody, another option if you really believe you are— make your own water, and it ain't hard. I know a nigga that got one. Like, dog, niggas is making their own water.

You know that made his own water first.

Yeah, alkaline water too.

Two people.

No, you don't.

Yes, he do.

Yo, come outside, bro.

You know what I mean?

But no, you can help him.

It's not even that hard. What I'm saying is, if you really believe that you are entitled to equity in a company that big, you could just jump off the porch and start your own shit.

Facts. Let me get some equity in your company, nigga. Hey yo, let me get some equity in your company.

I don't have a content company. Nah, we want a piece of that. I bought the real estate. I don't have a rap company.

I'll take over y'all. Mouse traps. I'll take over y'all.

Rat traps.

Nah, nigga, I come there and take over your whole shit. Oh yeah, hold on, you— that's Pop's house you fixing, right? It's almost done.

I love Shakira.

You want to see my Pop's house?

You see the new pictures of Shakira?

New pictures of Shakira? I didn't.

She did a new photo spread. It was in the video, cuz she, she redid Through the Fire, like, on Colors.

I bought it. Yeah, it sounds great.

Oh, I didn't listen.

He only watched.

Oh, you want to play for— it sounds great.

Hold on, you missing—

no, no, no, no, you're not understanding.

He's not following.

She's got the hots.

She's got the hots. She's in the Jackie Robinson's Widow category is what I'm saying.

Oh, that's what you saying. Yeah, but she going to run her mouth to the old hoes.

Yeah, that might work.

Joe, Joe, Joe, you fucked Chaka Khan, now Dionne Warwick know how big my dick is. The point is, I do not need Gladys Knight. No, my dick's hot. I'm sorry, I'm cool. Yo, y'all are fools, man. Good time today, good vibrations, man. Listen, hopefully y'all have enjoyed this broadcast as much as we've enjoyed delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time, we bid you adieu, farewell, adios, arriba, derci, hasta la vista, au revoir, so long, goodbye, or a simple head nod will suffice. Listen, remember, life is a series of moments and moments pass, so let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Last but certainly last but not least, the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel, and the closed-minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, Tylenol, you might need it. With that said, uh, what y'all on this week, man? What's happening? What's happening? What's your week plans? Work, work, work, work, work. Oh, mixing song. Oh, I'm gaming with my girl. Oh, I'm going to speak at Mom Donnie's panel. What are you doing there, hotshot?

I know, sitting in the house watching docs, sitting on the dock. Actually, I'm, um, yo, this is what we doing now on some straight loser shit. We just starting every show that exists in the house with my girl. We starting shows, watching 4 episodes, leave it, go to the next one.

Why don't you go watch Game of Thrones?

Episode 8. We might, we might. I just learned that she never saw Billions, so now, so now we got to go back.

I was late to Billions.

We got to go back. We doing old show night now. Okay, that's it.

That's fine.

But I don't have nothing planned, man. She out of town this weekend. She got to go, uh, she got to go load her daughter up into college. Shout out to Naeem, congratulations. She loading him into college now. But Friday, because this weekend in Mississippi she got to load in the car, so she got to take a flight out there.

I show up me there for the weekend.

Yeah, yeah, I know she come right back.

She can't—

you can't fool her. She'll be right back. But I do get a little Friday night to just unwind.

It's nice, ain't it?

Unwind. Yeah, unwind, man. That's all I got. That's all I got, man. Yo, I can't wait for the summer to be over. I ain't gonna lie, I'm one of them niggas. I can't wait for September 22nd to get here.

Fall clap!

Out, gloom, doom.

Darkness. Yes, first week of September, let's send these kids back to school.

Oh my God, get they little asses out of here. I can't wait. Enough of these kids. That's all I got, man. Y'all be good out there, hold it down. Until the next time, ego. You've never heard of Joe Budden? JVP, JVP, JVP, where would you be without the JVP?

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