Transcript of Episode 943 | "Spinach Dip"

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Yeah, that's all.

Yeah, you had a good breakfast, you say?

Girl, yes, I did have a good breakfast, Mark. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. Indeed. It is the Fourth of July weekend. My baby made a little something, Mark. She went in the kitchen while I was in the bedroom just minding my business. Nice. I know you're trying to set me up for a joke, Mark.

I'm not.

We happy for you. We happy for you. Thank you, brothers. There's nothing that y'all— it's day 3. You come for her yet? I don't want to bore—

I don't want to—

I don't want to bore the audience with day 3 of what?

Him living with his—

of me living with—

he's counting it. He counting the hours.

Work. Oh, I didn't—

cuz it's so fun.

Yeah, if counting it is bad, then I shouldn't tell you the other part. You'll really think I'm crazy, but I'll tell you. All right, so they got an A- on day 1.

You grading? Yo, what is this, school?

Yo, you're a psycho.

Who got an A-?

I'm grading.

It's about them.

That's the family.

It's family.

They got an A-.

Oh, you grade them as a unit?

Yeah, each day. Smart. Each day.

There's no one man above the team.

Day 2, we dropped to a C. Damn. Fall off on day 2.

What'd they do?

What happened on day 2?

Uh, me and the dog had to get acquainted. Oh, you got a dog?

Oh shit, you got—

Me?

Is it a little cutesy dog or is it a big dog?

It's a little Chihuahua.

Oh my God, there's a dog bed that just arrived. That's all I'm going to say.

Oh, the new dog bed.

Oh, doggy car seat too.

Look at you providing.

I, I— please, I—

please get it.

I thought it got sent to the wrong apartment, like wrong building.

On what we talking about?

We talking about bitches that's bad enough to make you move them in with a dog and kids.

Pussy good.

Oh, her mom got two.

Pussy power.

Move in with two dogs.

Pussy power.

And I be out there walking them in slippers.

Chicks is bad.

So you going to war with a Chihuahua on day two?

I know he don't like jerks.

So the dynamics of the house, we do have to get together. Happy Fourth of July out there. The dynamics of the house, we gotta get together. Anytime I've had a dog, the dog was connected to me. This dog is connected to her. The daughter, the daughters are connected to her. And the son is connected to me.

Mm.

So we just gotta get a few things, you know.

There's a picture of it on there?

Together. Oh my God. All right, now we doing ads. All right, we doing ads. Thanks, Corey. Also, the way that kids function when it's just mom in the house versus how they knock on the door when it's a nigga in there needs to be addressed. Hard bangs like the feds.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, like it's something important. Like it's something important that they want.

They, they're not knocking.

They—

it's that.

And that's cool when it's just Mama. That one is a .

It's also cool if they want . No child's ever knocked on the door and wanted anything of importance.

That's a fact.

It's— I mean, I could be wrong. Am I wrong?

They older, so they might actually want something.

That's true.

But having a blast. You answer my question. God is good. Ultra fulfilled. Blessed to be looking at my soulmate every morning.

You said she made breakfast for you, so I'm asking you, that means you got to make lunch or dinner or something. That's the trade-off.

At some point.

I meant today.

I'm not doing that today.

What are you talking about?

Why would I be doing that today?

You guys are lucky. I ain't have no electricity, nothing to make no food today.

No electricity?

My shit went out last night about 10:30 at night. Oh, I slept AC-less.

Oh, on the hottest day of the year? Yeah, that's like 102.

That's correct. I was fortunate that it only got up to like 80.

Oh, nice.

Which is not great, but it could have been worse.

Oh, poor Parksy.

Yeah, it was a rough night.

That's hard, man. Now I feel bad because Mom Donnie had put something out.

He said put the shit up to 78.

Mom Donnie said, everybody, hey y'all, the power grid is going to be struggling. Everybody put it If you put your temperature to 78, then we won't have any loss of life.

My neighbors did not listen.

We won't have loss of power. Man, I went to the shit and crunk that shit to about 67.

Well, you're a Jersey, so don't—

Hey, hey, hey, Mom, Donnie, nigga, no, no.

Oh, you suck.

I might go to my family house in New York. Just turn it down.

But that's the reason why parks didn't have lights, 'cause of people like you.

Exactly.

We don't affect them.

That's New York shit.

Hey, that's one of the things white people will have to endure.

Like, I don't feel too bad when the whites get a— like, all right, my neighbors aren't all white. No, no, but you white, you white though. So yeah, sleep with sweat.

Check this one out though. So at least Mom Donnie gave niggas a choice. When you got these smart thermostats hooked up, they send a notice around saying, yo, We adjusting these shit so that to conserve energy, they turn the shits up to 78 on their own.

I love that.

Are you serious?

I swear to God, you have to go in there and manually override it. I'm like, why the fuck would you say 78?

Go in there with a weapon. Y'all suck at socialism, man. Y'all just going to kill everybody.

Yes.

Wait, socialism mean you got to keep the temperature at 78?

You care about—

No, but I'm just— I'm saying like, this— it's a mindset of like thinking about the collective.

We all we got.

Yeah, I could have managed 75.

78 was way too far.

See, now I lost all my sympathy for you.

I'm glad you know. It's the thing, 78 is so much better than 80, whatever that was last night.

I do 78 in the winter.

Socialism don't know about marketing. If y'all lead with that, the plight is over.

Yeah.

Keep the temperature at 78. That's like the Bloods leading with, we gotta jump you in.

I was down, but no, never mind.

I'm gonna pass.

I'm cool.

Choosing the zero on that one. Uh, let's see here. Let's get it. Uh, we take too long so my phone freezes, which means I can't start with my clip of Maino wanting to fuck Mona.

I have my friend in real life, Mr. Jim Jones, on the pod. He still hasn't been on the pod like the— all the way—

enough of that pod talk, Mama.

Busy. And we have Mr. Maino. I'm a big fan of Mr. Maino.

Enough of that big fan shit.

Off camera, Maino came at Ebony because Ebony tried to charge him. I mean, that's what they said.

Oh, I didn't—

I just asked a question. Hello.

I was surprised about a lot of things.

Hello.

We can talk about that if you want.

We can talk about it. Look at thirsty.

We can talk about it.

Okay, I appreciate this.

He's so thirsty. On the internet, it's not giving that.

I'm like this nigga's sister. I'm not your— I'm not your brother.

I am not your brother, little girl.

I ain't your brother, mom.

He is so funny. He's such a character, that guy.

Uh-huh.

Character.

Yeah, he's just on it. He's spot on when that camera comes on.

Yeah, I bet. Shout out to Maine. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right.

Don't, don't, don't invite me over your house for the, for the Fourth of July if you barbecuing frozen patties. I'm, I'm sure— do not put no fro— I'm a grown-ass man. Facts. Pack them burgers out. Get you a couple pounds of ground beef and pack them burgers out.

Some onions.

Damn near 4, and you out here—

at least onion powder.

Shit, pat that meat out. Put onions inside of—

special.

It's the 4th of July. Got some frozen, some frozen square— got some square burger. Don't, don't let me come over here and you give me no, no goddamn square burger. And pack, pat the burgers out flat. I don't want no burger biscuit. Give me, give me, give me what a man's supposed to eat at a barbecue.

A burger.

That's me.

Half pound.

Don't try to video me eat no hot dog. I might get one hot dog, one, and one burger. I might get one of each.

I'm getting a hot dog for sure. And you can record me, nigga.

I'm cool.

Them awesome sandals, but I wear, I wear them with socks like a bitch.

Mike check, 1, 2, 1, 2. Mike check, 1, 2, 1, 2 on the 4th of July weekend.

July, July, yeah, July.

Hey, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, what part, uh, depending on what part of the world you in. So glad you could be here with us. Hey, 30 and up, 40 and up, 40 and up. This shit so smooth. Now I'm on this T.I.

album.

I'm on this T.I. It's absolute heat on this T.I. Yo, shout out to whatever part of the world you in right now. Everybody throwing a cookout. Hey, yo, remember, do not let everybody get in there with their macaroni salad, potato salad, seafood salad. Be careful with all that.

Happy Fourth of July weekend! Shout out to all the parents out there. Chase the vision. Make your word when you say it be the business. No cap, God am a witness. Success feel better independent. Whole Atlanta, what up out there? Florida, what's going on out there? South Carolina, North Carolina, Atlantic City. Somebody tell them people Mr. Hit is here.

Mr. Hit is here.

Dude, dude, you're back!

You know what I mean?

It was hot the other day, They took my black ass right over to Lowe's, man. Shout out to Lowe's. It's two niggas working in there. It's two niggas working and one of them got the nerve to have an attitude. Went to Lowe's, see if I can get a little grill. You know what I mean?

OK.

I'm going to ask you a question.

I'm going to ask you a question right now.

Charcoal or gas? Listen. It just feel better independent.

This is what's charcoal or gas?

You better answer right.

You better answer right.

I can't for legal purposes.

But not—

okay, okay, got it, got it.

That was an answer.

Mr.

Him is here. Mr. Him.

Mr.

Him.

Mike check, mic check. 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2. Mic check. 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2. So happy to be here. So glad to be here with y'all today.

Keep this applause going.

Let me Get these drops out the way. And thanks to Maino, we do have a Mona drop, but because it's 100 degrees out, we're gonna, we're gonna go ahead and put that in here. Thank you, Maino. We absolutely love you. We have a Mona drop. We gonna get to it, but because it's so hot out, we do want to get out of here expediently. Yeah, as fast as we possibly can. Good, good, you should be. Uh, welcome to the Joe Button Podcast. What— no, I'm gonna try before— uh, what episode is this?

943.

Uh, welcome to 900— episode 943 of the Joe Button Podcast. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, extremely happy to be here host Joe Button, here with some really amazing people. Uh, this episode is brought to you by a few— by Power, by PrizePicks. PrizePicks gang, yeah! Uh, to my All right, Big Mona, Don't Call Her White Girl, fresh back from BET. Mona, how you doing?

I'm doing amazeballs.

Good, absolutely love that. Next to her, Philly's finest, our good brother Dr. Marc Lamont Hill in the building. Marc, how you doing, man?

Rest in peace, Radio Shack, man.

Yeah, that was my spot.

Yeah, that was one of my favorite spots to steal from.

'Cause they were so overpriced, you had to take 'em down.

Nah, Radio Shack was cheap.

What?

Radio Shack was all right, I'd go in there and steal the exact wire I needed.

Radio Shack was cheap. Cheap. Yeah, get very— like, some of that—

for everything but computers.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, wires and shit can get expensive.

That shit—

yeah, that shit was cheap.

Uh, next to Mark, uh, our good brother Mr. Thousand— oh shit, this nigga ain't here. This nigga— you miss him. I miss each of you when you're not here.

No, it's different. There's a twinkle in your eye when you look to that couch. You see him, and there's no twinkle today.

Yeah, no twinkle.

Your twinkle is This—

your twinkle is— your twinkle's going big.

Is the air on in here?

It's never going to feel like it is.

Oh my God, it feels great. We got the nerve to have these stupid ass bright lights. I'm getting— hey audience, I'm getting the fuck out of here. I ain't going to be here long.

Yo, can we record this like live at 1.5?

Honestly, just trying to— honestly. Anyway, Mr. Take It Further himself is here, our good brother Freeze. Freeze, what's up with you?

What's going on, man? How everybody doing?

Now nigga's got Sixers jerseys on and he look good too. Last time I seen him, he had Knicks apparel on.

I went to watch— to a Knicks watch party.

That's—

now we got the Sixers.

Always the Sixers. He trying to divide us.

Now we back.

We got good things going on.

We got good things going on.

Now we back to this.

Never left.

Who is that? That's Iverson.

They didn't get the Iversons.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Let's introduce—

Jalen shit is on the way Yeah, yeah.

Oh no, don't worry. Elmira, Elmira. I'm introducing.

And of.

I'm just trying to introduce.

Order both of those.

All right, Elmira's finest. Elmira's finest. Big Parks is in the building. Parks, how you doing, man?

I feel great, man.

Good, good. Po is here. Corey is here. Phelps is here. Big Rim is here. Erickson is here. Savon is here. Tanner is here. Those brothers are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you very important people out there are here. And it's a Fourth of July weekend!

It is! Happy 250th.

Happy 250th.

Oh, stop it. America. Oh, please. Oh, please don't start this shit again, man. Listen, man, they keep— though, all babies born will have a special Social Security card for the next 2 years. Yes, they said that. Yes, a special America 250.

Oh, I love that. Donald Trump's face be on it.

Oh, you already know.

You know he ain't making shit.

That's what I'm saying. The Black babies get— that should be an option.

It really should.

You should get Obama options.

That's not gonna look right under your mom mattress.

I'm telling you, America, we need to change the fucking business model of America. I fucking couldn't even watch the news this morning. I turned the news on, everything is mad Fourth of July-ish. So there's mad slave owners and slave masters and slave owner pets with pitchforks. They had all type, they wasn't talking about no news, no murders, the weather, Mike Woods wasn't on, shout out to Mike Woods.

That's 'cause Mondame cleaned it up over there.

Really? Mom, that's 78 degrees.

That crime rate's gonna go back up if you keep it at 78.

They got battleships coming down the Hudson, money.

Yeah, I looked out there, I was like, what the fuck is that?

Yeah, that's how I know everybody in New Jersey is in their own world because everybody said, yo, what the fuck is going on out there? When the aircraft were letting off red, white, and blue clouds throughout the sky, New Jerseyans say, what the hell's going on up there? I'm like, uh, it's the Fourth of July. It's normal, it's perfectly normal. Uh, what's up with y'all though? What we on, what we on in here, man?

Yeah, how's everybody weekend? Look, all them shits running. How was y'all week?

It was hot, it was too hot to do anything.

I had one of them bad weeks that just turned out good. My studio got flooded, uh, a pipe burst at our content house, uh, and so I had to go over there and check it out. And then my wife decided that she, uh, was going to stay there for a few days, huh, to finish her book. Oh. Uh, we didn't have any damage. Half the building had damage. We were blessed not to have damage. Okay, so she's away for 3 days. I was telling you on the balcony, I just like—

so who takes the baby? The bad one?

I got him.

So she get to go write a book, you keep the toddler?

It's great.

That bitch nice.

I'm telling you, no, but it's good. But it's been like 3 days without her, and, um, so, you know, I miss her very much. But I'm finding a way to be able to sit on the couch and eat and do all my shit like alone. And that little bit of alone time sometimes Um, it's nice, it's nice.

Yo, so I'm surprised.

This nigga's in daycare, like, when are you alone? When he takes a nap?

Uh, yeah, I put him to bed quick. I make him a special drink. Ice gave me some stuff to give to him.

Maybe my baby want to write a book about something. A joint book. Joint book. Yeah, we got— hey, let's talk. It's been 3 days. I understand Parks better than I have asked.

Thank you.

I used to tease him.

Yeah.

I totally get it.

Thank you.

We like Parks and Rec. Fucking knows. I get it. No, I get that shit. He's the man.

You cannot continue to count them days. That shit don't sound right. People count days when they're kidnapped. You know what I mean? People count days about ransoms and shit like that. You count days about shit you don't want to do.

1,542. Y'all are—

Nah, 3,500.

Nah, we count with them too. I'm sorry, dog.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, no, I'm not that mature yet, but having a blast, having fun. Oh shit, it's exciting. Happy for you. Then she's like, we like really in love, so anywhere I go, like, she'll be there a couple seconds later.

Of course, that's what love is all about.

Y'all shower together?

Can we do like periodic check-ins? That's all I want to know.

You can't say nothing, cuz they love you. They there, they right there. It's like they just want to be right there.

You right there, like right there, right There, there.

Y'all so full of shit.

No, it's—

look, y'all like it.

We do, we love it, we love it, we love it. We found our person. But, but come on, you going to still be my person over there? Yeah, come on, give it a break, give it a fucking rest. I thought that was the point of find— of finding your person. Like, oh, you spent your whole life trying to find your person. Oh, found you, we can just chill, we can exist together.

But, but You know what you need? You just need some space. That's it. You need some space. They say, um, good fences make good neighbors.

Seriously, or the good trees.

Yeah, man cave is important and stuff like that.

Yes, yes, imperative.

Yeah, that's so somewhere you can have alone time. That's all.

That's it.

You just need space and, and yeah.

Anyway, shout out to all the happy couples out there. Shout out to all the miserable couples out there. And shout out to the love of a monolith out there. Anyway, uh, so I went to Lowe's. Okay, okay.

Uh, hopefully it was a Weber.

Two workers—

it was a Weber.

Good.

Two workers in there. One guy had attitude, the other guy was tough to find, and he was a little overweight, so the weather wasn't his friend.

Oh, did he have a washcloth?

I was just—

I, I tipped him. I tipped him.

Okay.

Or that towel they keep on there.

Yeah, yeah, but I went and bought a little, little barbecue. It might fire might let her fire it up.

Nice.

Okay, do you participate in this? Some dudes take grilling serious.

Yeah, no, I'm gonna buy the stuff.

Okay, I don't know if you want to make this—

I bought all the grill stuff. Did you buy the gloves?

Did you buy the chimney? The chimney, you need that.

Oh, I didn't.

I'll put you on.

I didn't buy it.

I disagree. I'm sorry, I disagree about those burgers adults have, ground beef burgers. That's not true with grilling. Most people that— a lot of people make those burgers, they fail, and you end up eating meatballs on buns, or those peppers are too big, or why does everybody look so confused?

Because I think you're just wrong.

Yeah, I don't think people in Delaware know how to make burgers. She ain't lying. Them people I seen in that video that you went viral in, I don't think none of them says— nothing about that says they got a grill, know how to grill, no fresh food. Mona, why did you have a sock on? We're going to start.

Oh yeah, you are back.

You are back. No, for real, honestly.

Nah.

Why did you have one sock on? For real.

First off, We got some cat questions for you too.

I would like to— oh, fuck off. For you, the last motherfucker to ask me a cat question, goddamn it.

Listen, we asking them. Yeah, we got fucking cat questions too. We animal lovers over here.

My brothers in here called me because they were concerned. They want to make sure I was okay. As you heard, Ishay, he was the first person with the news because his ears are to the street. He knew 2 hours after it happened. He was on the scene.

He called me, where you at?

I'm here. I said, I'm home already. That's first You two niggas didn't call and see if I was okay. You two.

Mona, I don't know your number. You change your number every 2 days.

I text you on your ex phone.

Y'all been bringing this thing like you did call me, so shut up.

Joe said he wish he had a door so he could slam that door in my face. Every day like Shaquita did. That's what that nigga said. And then when all my brothers came to my rescue and defended me, here go Joe. Fuck that. The bitch had one sock on.

That's valid, but you had a sock on.

I'mma say this. This. You know what ran through in my head when it happened? You had just gave me advice to move really fast, and I walked really fast to that store.

No, that's not what the advice meant.

What was it? You said don't sit still. When you go somewhere, you have to move fast. People don't get to approach you.

I think he—

you should be more clear about where to somewhere.

I said, I said don't be stationary, right?

I thought he meant just move.

Move.

New address.

No, you move back to the same store that you got kicked out No, she kicked you out the store and you moved back to the store.

Shequita can't kick me out the store. It wasn't her store? No, it wasn't her store. It wasn't like that. Um, honestly, I feel like— I know this is gonna sound stupid and you're really gonna hate it— I'm the type of person that I like, I learned the hard way kind of person. And I've been hearing before coming here, like, you got to watch your surroundings, not the same person, you're not a regular person, whatever. Like Mark said when I wasn't here, I do teeter on that thing of like like I feel like a regular person. So it's like, why can't I run into the store real fast? But I'm not a regular person, and I'm placing myself in bad situations. Almost like, let's say it was some street shit and I had some successful street shit going on, I wouldn't be around a bunch of people then either, you feel what I'm saying? So that's how I start to like switch it up now, you know? Um, period, point blank, I feel like— because that girl didn't know me. I know a lot of people think that it was like a viral moment. It was just some you think you cute kind of thing.

Like, cuz she was like saying I wanted to be Black and shit like that. But you're watching a visual of me like fighting with that shit through my head. Like, I know I should just leave. I could have leave. If I would have left way faster, it wouldn't be so much content. But it was hard to walk off cuz I felt like, like, damn, talking to me like that, you know? Then I tried to get on my wallow, you know what I mean? Like, sister, we sisters. And she was like, bitch, I kill you. So I came down a little bit from that and it didn't work. And it's like, before I knew it, I couldn't even find my my house. Like, I was so confused. By the time I was pulling on that door, I thought it was that— the door to my townhome.

It was lost.

Wow. With fear. I'm glad I made it. I do have a GoFundMe because I've been so jumpy lately ever since. Um, I did learn my lesson. I'm staying out of ghettos from here to the Bronx, bodegas. And no, seriously, who's up here with us? It's a very hard lesson to learn, but I had to learn my lessons hard like that, Parks. Like, it's so super viral. When I came in here, it was already like viral locally, like Philly. Yeah, Ish had seen it. He really did see it first. He cracked the joke right there, and I was like, shut the fuck up, Green Eyes, before I fuck you up and these niggas here. He was like, my bad. So then y'all didn't know, and then it went super crazy.

But can you just answer us about the sock before we move on?

I have to wear compression socks, and sometimes I lose them and still go. So I had one, and I was running to the store real fast because I bought my friend's son some stickers. So I was in a really good mood because he loves stickers. So I was on set making my way downtown, and she was on some, what set you claim, bitch? So it just didn't match. And I wanted to be like, come on, sister, we all we got.

Just move, girl. Enough of it. This is enough. You know what, just move.

I can just move up here.

Yes, yes, you can move anywhere.

Oh my God, I could just move with you.

You can move anywhere.

Or with you.

Or anywhere.

I don't live in the ghetto, first of all. Number one. Number two, I don't think she was looking for a viral moment. Number three, I could have got out of there way faster, but I struggle with it because it's hard, you know what I mean?

Okay, but how far is the ghetto from where you live? And then we're gonna move on.

I'm ghetto adjacent, like, you know how they be, um, they, uh, what do they call— not refurbished, regentrified neighborhood. So my rent dumb high, but right down the street they rent not dumb high.

If somebody wanted to buy crack—

how far? If somebody went to buy coke—

yeah, there we go.

Now we're close to my home.

That's closer to the line.

Is it a walk?

Yeah, or a bike?

I ain't going to lie, if you was looking for some hard, you probably could get in and walk.

You can probably get in and walk.

You might get dropped. You might get dropped.

Damn, then you live in the wrong spot.

You should go.

Yeah, you shouldn't be there.

I mean, okay, niggas, you went from that to the BET Awards.

Are y'all worried about me? Were y'all so scared?

And your cat.

Are there any places like near you that got bars on their windows?

Well, happy Fourth of July weekend! To everyone out there, anywhere you want to go, anywhere you want to go, I'm in, I'm down. There's no music, right? Because music doesn't drop on the 4th of July.

Get into a breakdown of Madonna's horror— horrible album that came out.

And I don't—

it's not good.

I don't— I'm fine.

Which is fine.

I do want to say, and I don't want to talk about Madonna, but I did go back and listen to Lizzo's album again. Uh-huh. It's better than the first time I heard it. I, I was too harsh on it. It's actually It's, it's still her worst album.

Mark, I gotta be honest, but it's good. I gotta— I'm gonna tell you because last time we did like an hour Lizzo.

That was it, that's all I got.

But nobody cares. Yeah, like, we love, we love Lizzo, we wish her well.

I can't— but if I say somebody's album is bad, now listen to it again, I'm gonna need to say like, yo, it wasn't— it's better than I thought. Because, you know, I mean, we in a public platform, it's a big platform.

That is way to clean it up. Lizzo, salute.

Indeed.

Boom. Especially on cookout day. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Uh, okay, so what do we got? What do we got? Uh, Pooh Shiesty's idiot. Uh, Taylor Swift is getting married. Yeah, Pooh Shiesty is a good one. All right, here we go. Like to hear it, here it go. The video was released from the robbery, the video that they said they had, and it contains the contract that they said they had. Uh, I like to hear it, here it go.

You dropping this dumbass?

Let them know you dropping.

I drop you?

No, see, new shots dropping, 10:17.

Really?

Ain't never did no police, none of that, bro.

Tell them what's going on, bro. We just did.

They just done.

What you do? You drop.

You said you want to be dropped, you dropped.

Said straight business. You fucking Dude, I think it's a straight business. Oh, anyway, sorry about that. Uh, all right, I'm tossing it to my fucking street crime music court case snitch rat expert, Mark Lamont Hill. Oh, I thought it's Reeze.

Yeah, about to say that's this cow. All right, well, let's say, what would Ish say here?

I don't care.

I don't care, you're not here.

What would you say then? You'd other—

this nigga is stupid.

It.

That's what I'm gonna say. I've been saying it. This, this was a— first off, just the, the thought to go in and say, all right, we're gonna get out the deal by pulling a gun on you and making you— like, y'all watch too many movies.

Yeah.

And hear too many boogeyman stories. Like, that's not how business works.

I mean, there was a time where it was—

you watch too many movies and hear too many stories. That's not how it works today.

Today it worked like that. Just— they never worked like that for Black Blacks, with Black people.

There's some people that got out of some contracts in the '90s and shit.

There was some guns into the label and all that type of shit, you know.

It was effective once upon a time, but today that was a different—

I gotta remember, the '90s has been like 3 decades. Yeah, that's a long-ass time ago.

And he wasn't there for that.

Like yesterday. Yeah, it does feel like yesterday.

Yeah, but he wasn't there for that. So again, you're hearing stories, you weren't there for it.

You did—

there was no cameras back then. You could get away with shit.

That's the key, because even if you don't get out the deal like you don't go to jail, right? Now with recordings and video, all that shit happens.

Especially if you have your man recorded. It ain't even like somebody else caught it, secure, like surveillance footage. No, man, yo, dog, record me robbing him and making him sign this deal.

See, and that's the shit I don't like about it too, because it's like one thing to be like, I'm doing this for business, but then there's the clout chasing part of it. You know, when you see people on social media wearing the jewelry, wearing jewelry that was taken, when you see people alluding to it in rap lyrics, when you social media posts. Like, if y'all really doing that, then you shouldn't be doing this other thing over there.

See, I'll never be able to understand that part, but again, I'm not a criminal.

So it goes back to our other conversation we had the previous part about image and all of that type of shit. Like, you take somebody's chain and now I can prove— you can't, you can't— what, what, um, Drake said, you know, somebody pulling their chain and said they got robbed. Like, now if— or you could say, yo, I lost my chain or whatever, right? You, you could get out of it by saying something else happened. No, nigga, we got your chain right here, right? You know what I'm saying? It's, it's that I need to prove shit. This, this younger generation, all they care about is proving shit to the internet.

Yeah, I know young people that's killing it out there, and that's like really bright. So I ain't gonna loop up all the young idiots with the whole generation young. No, these niggas are just idiots, and that's okay. I thought these niggas was idiots kids before this.

But even those who are bright, but even those who are bright, if somebody questions something about them, the first thing they do is rush to prove it. That was the whole Cheyenne Bryant thing. Hey, post it, prove it to us.

You know what I'm saying?

It ain't just the idiots, it's, it's this internet shit where I have to prove it to strangers, good or bad. If I don't post it, it's not real, it doesn't exist.

I'm—

I have to prove it to you strangers. Not just the bad shit.

Yeah, I think Cheyenne Bryant's a false parallel because there's no jail time involved with her lying about school.

No, I'm saying, could it be?

Could it be?

Could it be?

Could you go to jail?

Only if you were doing a certain kind of therapy, I would imagine.

Interesting.

Yeah, but, but in general, no.

Got it.

People lie about degrees all the time.

I wasn't talking about on this jail shit.

I'm just saying, proving you niggas need to go to like a crime school. Like, go somewhere and learn crime if you're this passionate about it. Like, if you really gonna dedicate your entire life— and then I read something this morning, he got a newborn baby coming. Oh my God, did his mom come out and say he's expecting child?

His mom posted the, uh, ultrasound. You know, the internet get the internet, and Shorty's name wasn't, uh, covered out, and they realize who that is.

Oh Lord.

Yeah, it's a lot.

They're all the T2, like what?

The mom is my famous.

Yeah, who is it?

Marissa.

Who's Marissa?

You—

not that, no. Um, NLE Choppa baby moms.

Oh shit, the old one. The bad bitch one is under 30s. Yeah, she— you two for two with the rapper.

All right, they started putting up now.

Why would she do that? That proves, you know, you see, bitch, why the fuck would you do that? Damn, it just hit me how dumb that was.

I love Mo' nigga.

Wow, yikes. That's no, but that's—

When somebody break it down for me, I'm slow.

Yeah, me too.

I'm missing it.

When she was with NLE Choppa, he was the, you know, her young boy, and it's like he did what young niggas do, got cheating on her. I think he broke up with her. He didn't really— because he wanted to be in the baby's life, but he didn't want to do the family thing, and she would blast him, and then she would take advantage to blast him all the time. If y'all remember, NLE Choppa tried to be like, more open to like the gays and like different sounds. And he would do like anti-violence type of stuff. And she'd be the first one chewing his ass up. Very good at it, girl. But she would be chewing his ass up. It's crazy because I talked about her here before and she DM'd me. Not to say don't talk shit, but she didn't say, bitch, I'm 32, not 36. But she's a bad bitch. But just for you to drag him like that and have a baby with him and then the second one be pusha. Girl! We get to ovulating and just make bad decisions.

That's like this tweet that's going around now of fucking Eva from Old Town Hall— oh yeah, talking about y'all broke up with Lance Gross because he wanted kids and I didn't want kids, and now feel bad every time I see him cuz I got 3 kids. Yeah, and her 3 kids is with politician boy? No, no, no, homeboy.

She got one with Kevin Cole.

What's homeboy name again? Captain Cole.

Just The oldest is with Kevin McCarthy. The other ones are with that politician guy.

Okay, but if you leave a Lance Gross because you don't want kids and get even a half a kid with Kevin McCarthy—

yeah, I mean, Kevin McCarthy was a little— he was like in the beginning of his shit. That's before you didn't really know he was crazy crazy till she had that chick.

I'm not even talking about that.

It was happening to a lot of us.

We just say it like he said, Lance Gross.

All right, I don't get why— what's it called? I cannot believe that's Pooh Shiesty, baby.

Wow, Pooh Shiesty, you need to have the good shit.

I didn't—

I didn't—

he gonna have a mentor upstate. It's always a good old man to help you out when you do 20, 30.

He need like a how to do crime book. Yeah, exactly.

His father advice was, hey, let's go down there, run down on niggas. I don't know why I keep ignoring that.

That's the part that I didn't—

it's his fucking dad. Had— like that's his father! His father's a gangster, his father's respected in Memphis.

He came up as a baby gangsta Baby to his father so the fact that everybody is being blind to the fact that this boy was literally raised to be cool he been saying it in his music though but I don't think that he got the game through all of that no no no y'all sayin' these things why people are uh disregarding that back because when you say that implies there's generations of this we're good at it.

No, that's not—

that's my dad. My dad was a gangster. My dad did this. He raised me. He got years in. He fly over here. That would make me believe that some crimes is off the table.

Or we just said shit that worked in the '90s don't work today. My pops is old. The way they was doing shit back then, he might have told me to do shit the way that they used to do it, but how about it won't fly today, right?

Like, how I got out of Stax Records? Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Gang culture is totally different than regular gangster culture, right? In Philadelphia, we don't have like gangbangers, like we do more beef over blocks. Gang culture is totally different. You will be born as a Blood. That's what you are. Now, I'm sure there's 50 million Black men and Black women that can say, I was born in a Blood family, I was Piru, but I went to college, I escaped, or whatever. But that took some steps to be made if you're in a family where your fucking grandma has a flag, right? So that's what I say with Booshyce. See, where Memphis, where they from in Memphis, they gang bang. I think they some type of Crips or something. If your father's a Crip, you're a Crip. Rip. So if you grow up gangbanging like that, then you get this blessing of entertainment, why is anybody really shocked that that's how they handled the first contract riff? I would be shocked if this wasn't how they handled it. You understand what I'm saying? If Daddy didn't grow to teach him— I'm not excusing anything, I'm just saying it's more indicative of you not being an extra special person to beat your environment.

Extra, extra smart people beat their environment. Average people just do what they see, what they see around them.

Well, this is—

and if I'm a criminal and I've been in and out of jail and I plan on continuing my life of crime, I'm not saying fuck the feds in my music. That— my brain just says that would make the feds target me when I'm not trying to be targeted.

Sometimes you want to hide in plain sight though.

How does saying fuck the feds do that.

Everybody says fuck the feds.

That's not true.

But not everybody.

Some people—

a lot of people rap about selling drugs and don't sell drugs. So if I was a drug dealer in real life and rapping, I might still rap about selling drugs just to get hot and playing safe.

But if I'm on federal probation, if I'm on federal probation, I might not be saying fuck the feds.

Yes, that's what I'm—

I hear that. I hear that.

I mean, fair point. You know, I don't have nothing to add to this. I think this nigga's the dumbest nigga. I know I'm forcing my brain to even say something about this stupid nigga.

I want to say—

I'm praying for him.

I want to say that the police don't care about stuff like that, but it's not true. Remember when Big Meech and them got indicted? You know that that cop would drive into work to Atlanta and Meech and them had that The World Is Yours every day on the way to work for this dumbass 9-to-5. And I got to look up and see this ass man talking about the world is mine. I know he's selling cocaine. That was part of the reason why he indicted them. So I'm sure Fuck the Fed might irritate.

I tell you one thing, uh, totally, uh, however they was reporting that story versus me seeing it now totally changed whatever I was thinking about how Gucci Mane. Boy, that was the smoothest robbery I ever seen. He was smooth.

He was chilling.

Gucci Mane was all right. He looked as comfortable as one could possibly look. He looked annoyed with all— like, like, yeah, I already—

I—

you got it.

All right, what, what's up?

And he looked smart.

Yeah, right.

Hands in my pockets, I ain't moving.

It looks smart.

Like, come on, man.

Hey, Pooh Shiesty has dropped from 10, 17 10:17. Oh, you did? I already said— I said Pooh Shiesty is dropped from 10:17. Pooh Shiesty don't have nothing to do with 10:17. I'm writing this paper. Pooh Shiesty ain't got nothing to do with 10—

y'all got Dracos out and all y'all want me to do is say this and sign this?

No problem.

And I go home?

Why did they take the chain too?

All right, bet. Hey, Pooh Shiesty was never signed to 10:17 and he will never be signed to— like, what else y'all want me to say?

Hey, guess who ain't in 10:17? Ain't nobody on 10:17 no more. Me. I'm closing the label. You ain't no fuck. Ain't no 1017. I don't do that shit.

And Pooh looked like he was drunk or something.

He looked real needy. No, no, what the fuck?

You look dumb.

Yes, he looked drunk or high or something.

He got a slow look to him.

They need to put that in his fucking PSI that he was was in the—

but FDO, I played it again. That shit is hard.

That up, he smoked that.

I don't know why he slow down.

But even in that record, yeah, nigga said, my grandmother told me to keep the grass low, but the whole time I'm the snake.

Yeah, it's one of my favorite lines. That shit horrible.

The music better—

kind of telling you the music better when they living here.

Telling you, it's like joke.

Unfortunately it is. Unfortunately Then Gucci walked over to the gun— the gun dude, the dude that was blocking the door. Yeah, get your face on camera too. Yeah, yeah, you too.

You, you—

now let me walk back over here. Go ahead, Gucci, go ahead, man. I tell you, that was smooth.

I'm still not with the record Gucci put out. I just didn't like it.

And I'm still not with you signing all the niggas that are into this behavior.

But so many are dead. Like, it's just—

yeah, they lost a lot. Lord, he lost a lot.

RIP Big Scar and Enchanted. They were really talented people.

Let me tell you something, if Pooh Shiesty don't want to be on 1070, guess who the fuck ain't gonna be on 1070? You gone.

This is what a phone call, right?

Huh? All right, so they all on bail except—

except, yeah, everybody but Pooh Shiesty.

Oh, he's not?

No, that's what we talking about.

They trying to get the feds to um, revoke his, uh, because he's on probation with the feds. So they trying to get the feds to violate him. Yeah, because part of that is you can't be with no guns and none of that shit, and here you are on video with—

the feds typically like to let them outweigh one, so they do one case and then another one. So it's like, if they do that, they're really on his ass, because typically they just wait, because they ain't got no— they always win. They don't have no— you know what I mean?

Right.

The rush would be to run them concurrent so they're not doing two sentences separate, but they don't don't give a fuck and they know they got you, so it doesn't matter.

You know what I mean?

Got it.

Okay, he's fucked. I feel bad.

He's out of here.

No, he's—

yeah, he's out of here.

You feel bad for him?

I do. I ain't gonna lie, I feel bad for him. I feel like this is the same thing. I feel like he didn't have a shot. Some people, you just don't have a shot.

I hear that.

You do not have a shot.

And it's like, uh, wait, no, hold on, hold on.

He was a fucking minor.

No, Tay-K, yeah, but I'm talking about Pusha.

I see he didn't have a shot.

Listen, we're not gonna— we're not gonna break it down to the T like y'all like to do.

I know what she's saying.

What I'm saying is, is that that, like I said 50,000 other times, between being grown up in gang culture and having your parents who balls and vagina you came out of gang bang, I just think that, like, it's hard to change. It's hard to change.

You were about to make a terrible decision. You could call either one of your parents and they probably would tell you the opposite. Your son just did— you told us about your son. I understand, you know what I'm saying? Like, I get that. At some point though, maybe after your first case, that's your second case, you do got to take some ownership of the decisions.

Like, that'll be on the phone like, you know what time it is, son.

Yeah, you know how we get down, son.

Yeah, that's what his father—

well, all that shit up, nigga.

Come get your daddy, nigga.

I know jail has to suck at 105 degrees outside.

Yeah, it was all— whenever it's hot, it's too cold, or when it's cold, it's too hot, whatever.

So it's reverse.

Well, hopefully the next artist that's watching this will make a different decision. Maybe there'll be some cautionary tale shit for them.

Yeah, word.

Hopefully. Speaking of music though, uh, Y'all been following this India, this India Arie situation?

I have.

With the Spin That. I want to talk about it so much.

I have.

I have so much to say about it.

Well, let's talk about it.

Well, let's do it.

Well, first thing that happened was this all started because of a remix that was put out when Spin That was flipped in the video, India Arie's video. And so that's when India kind of jumped in and started speaking about it.

What did she say?

She also reposted something on Threads. This is important, right? The Threads part. Someone had said, let's ban the song or let's boycott the song.

Song.

Um, and people assumed that she was supporting a boycott. Then what she talked about was, and what other people talked about, was that this was bad for the culture, that this was detrimental for the culture, uh, that, you know, that it's harmful and that she don't rock with it. Um, I— there was a time, but she said she did not say boycott.

Yeah, she went, she went, she addressed some of this, and I have what she said just so we are all on the same page. Oh, hey, hello, we love you, India.

That's the Erykah Badu version, by the way. Hello, hello, hey, hello, hello, hello, hello.

I love you, but I will times 2 on it. Okay, don't make me do it. All right, fuck it.

You asked for it. My third album, Testimony Volume 1: Life and Relationship, turned 20 years old on Friday the 27th. It snuck up on me. Somebody had to tell me. And so that's why I'm making a video right now instead of writing about this on my Substack, which if you know me, you know I like writing on Substack. And you know, you see that little back there. Okay. And I've been in the vlogs a couple times last week.

Here we go.

I wanted to come and talk about these things. Let's talk about the easy one first. It is being wrongly reported that I think we should boycott this song of the summer. I'm not going to tell you what it is because I refuse to sing that song, but either you know what it is or you don't. If you don't, you can go find it.

She talking about Carisha's song, y'all.

Um, what I want is to see people understand the power of words and music and to make choices that are healthy for them. That's what I want. Do I think it matters what I want for people?

No.

I have finally learned that it doesn't matter and that there's no amount of sacrificing my life force energy that is going to make anybody want anything better for themselves. All I can do is emanate what I emanate make, stand for what I stand for, and hope that it reaches who it's meant to reach. And that's it. And that's all I'm going to do. And so my comment makes it very clear that I don't think we should boycott. My comment is tantamount to everybody doesn't want the same thing. And there are a lot of people who are saying, "It's just a song." Well, if that's what you think, enjoy. But what I know is that music has power. But of course, I have used that power to help some people, and I have traveled around I've been around this world twice, and I see the impact of what we export out of the Black American experience to the rest of the world. Longer story for another time, but I've seen it, so I know, and I'm telling you what it is. But you enjoy if that's what you want to do, and I will enjoy doing what I want to do.

That's why I don't think anybody needs to boycott. I think people just need to make choices for themselves. That's what I think.

I like that.

That's one.

There you have it.

Yeah, one, I appreciate her, her take on the boycott thing, and I think that's generally my position on art is don't boycott it, don't legislate against it, let people make choices. You know, I may be loud about a thing that I like or don't like, but I think people have a right to do it. Um, I think if you would have asked me 10 years ago, I would have been completely in disagreement with India about Spit That, um, which I like, by the way. I think it's a, you know, as a song, I think it's great. But now I get it in a different way. I understand the harm that songs have. I don't think that Spin That is uniquely harmful or particularly harmful. And I've seen other comparisons, like, is it more harmful than everybody listening to Annie Up? You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's like, no, right? It's almost— no, no. So I don't want to, I don't want to isolate this song like it's some uniquely really problematic thing. But I do think there's a conversation to have about like, do we want to keep celebrating songs that encourage behavior?

Yeah, damn, see what I'm saying? Like, like, it's old, it's such an old ass song. But I think that was the point, is like, we've always been doing this. And sometimes every generation likes to act like new shit is— the new music is different, and I'm saying every generation has these conversations. As I get older though, I do think about the harm that music causes and the damage that it can cause. And so I, I, I would take the position of, yeah, maybe we shouldn't.

Maybe we shouldn't what?

Rock with it. Not that we shouldn't be allowed to, just that me personally, maybe I need to even be more thoughtful about it. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't.

But you never rocked with it.

No, remember I was like, but then I went outside and I was like, come around. And my opposition to the song was never the message of it. I was just like, this song is just like a— it just was like kind of—

but the frequencies from the song didn't make Mark turn to a life of boosting.

Him, right? But Mark is really intelligent. I think that— true. Um, first of all, shout out to India Arie for looking amazing in that clip. She looks exactly the same. She looks beautiful.

Everything about India Arie is amazing.

Yes, like the brown skin's still glowing. You look good, girl. Um, but I think that's the part that's so confusing to me is that I'm like a real grew up in hip-hop kind of kid, and I remember these conversations every time we had them. I remember when it was an NWA thing. I remember when it was a Lil' Kim thing. I remember when it was a Lil' loop thing. I mean, I could remember Lil' Kim, little ass, sitting on like daytime television, everybody just coming at her, you're a fucking whore, why are you doing this, you know? Um, so it's like, it's kind of silly in that way. Also, my personal opinion, this song sucks. That's when I first didn't like it, it's because how it's just so fucking ghetto. I'm ghetto, love the ghetto, see the beauty in the ghetto, but that was a little too much for me. Wow. They put crack in it. No, listen, hear me out. It's not— I'm not even saying It's too much for me, like, because of the content. It's just corny. Like, to me, it's just repetitive spending.

That's what I'm saying. I didn't fuck with the song for that.

It's corny. I'm not saying I didn't like it because it's too low vibrational. I'm saying it's just so fucking—

You want a good song, you didn't like the song?

Yeah, so that's fine. Now they put work in it. Now we all listen to it. We all like it. It is one of them songs that you heard it enough, now you like it. But I think it's one of them situations where it's just like you— well, I guess it happens a lot where you blend the cultures. That's the song you're supposed to hear in the club and at the strip club and shit. But now you hear it at the family reunion and your grandma is saying, Turn That Spin That On Baby, it's one of them songs. And I think that's what's irritating the church folk, because you are going to hear it after Frankie Beverly and the Mix now, because it's the biggest song of the summer. Shout out to you, bitch. Because clearly, I mean, really, she, she got a banger some kind of way out of that bullshit. And I want to congratulate— I think you damned if you do, damned if you don't. First it was so horrible because it sucked, now it's so horrible because the content is—

my thing, even in terms of content records, this ain't even that bad. Compared to some of all the other shit. Nigga, we was running— we, the clubs, everybody was running around screaming Percocet, Molly, Percocet.

Yeah, this is on the lowest possible level of whatever, uh, India.

Yeah, I think we should take all the, uh, offensive rap songs and figure out the, um, the prison sentence and then lay it out.

Yeah, come on. It might be a lot.

It happened. They always affiliated with a crime, they're going to start putting her— some girl was allegedly boosting, um, probably like 2 days ago with her, with her toddler in the car. Police officer shot the car up, killed this child, but she was in that store, um, stealing, and she ran to the car. Boosting has always been a dangerous job like that. I've seen boosters get murdered just like that with the same story that she was driving the car towards security versus her trying to drive to get away with her fucking, uh, down coat votes. I don't know, but that's what they do. It's the same thing. They associate crimes with the song, they make it a big thing, and then it's like this big effort to take the song down. It's too late.

I don't think— see, I think in this case, I don't think India chose this song because it was particularly bad. Again, I think it was just because that's what got mixed with her.

With her.

Yeah.

Uh, which is also interesting because video is basically put it in your mouth, right? When you think about— so her, her—

what?

What?

It's on Okay. And you remember, put it in your mouth. Yes, it's still in the same track. I think it is the same track, isn't it?

Same sample, maybe.

Yeah, I mean, every part of it.

I think—

I don't think it's any different.

That was a classic.

I don't think there's any difference between putting your mouth in video, from what I can think, just off top. But so I'm saying that to say, like, it's interesting how, like, a track can be one thing, but the content— when you think about video versus put it in your mouth, there's a radically different way you, you experience the song. That's interesting to me and important to think about in terms of the impact it might have on the culture. I'm OK saying, look, Spin That ain't in the top 50 of fucked up songs. However, use it as an opportunity to say maybe we can listen to some different shit. Maybe we could do something, because maybe we are reinforcing the culture of unhealthy things. I used to be one of the— because when I first got into sort of activism as a scholar, a lot of my stuff was— my first work was around hip-hop. And I was one of the people who was critical of Tipper Gore I wanted people critical of C. Delores Tucker, one of the people critical of all the people that were coming after hip-hop, smashing the CDs and all that stuff, steamroller.

And now 30 years later, I'm like, they were right.

But we were not right.

Yeah, not about the— forget about the free speech part. Again, I support free speech.

I can't forget about that. It's the major part.

No, I'm saying that's not the part that I'm disputing. I'm saying I, I begin from everybody should make whatever they want to make. Okay, my thing is Why do we have an appetite for it? I want us to have a different appetite.

Why do we only do this with black music? Why don't— there's mad rock songs that are extraordinarily destructive.

Well, that's why I mentioned Tipper Gore, because she went after rock, you know. She didn't—

she didn't—

Tipper Gore wasn't particularly focused on, on the hip-hop. She was more focused on, on the rock stuff. Okay, I'm saying all of it, right? But I, I have a particular interest in black music because I have a particular interest in black people. Okay, okay, right.

But, but again, one— why does one seem to negate the other? Like, if I have an appetite for Italian, that don't mean that I don't have an appetite for soul food. That don't mean that because I'm listening to song don't mean that I'm not listening to fucking Mary Mary or, or, or anything else.

Not even—

even if I'm listening, just because I'm listening to the song don't mean I'm taking anything from the song but the music. You know, everybody ain't running out here, I heard this record, now it made me want to do X, Y, and Z.

That's a fact.

But it's not as high as people—

very small, very small percentage.

I will put more of that— I will put more of that on movies, I will put more of that on certain video games, all of that shit, before I put it on hip-hop.

Very very small amount of people are influenced by what— um, you said it.

I didn't know, you just changed what you said. Not influenced by. Very, uh, small percentage of people hear something and then go do it.

Yeah.

And that's in a song.

Not influenced by.

And the studies—

that's a teenager I have—

the psychological studies that I, you know, again, I haven't— this hasn't been my area of expertise in a while, but when I was looking at the impact of like music on people's actions, it is relatively small. Like, people don't listen to shoot 'em up songs and go out and people. People don't— that's not what I'm worried about. I'm talking about the broader cultural patterns and trends we have. When Jay-Z told people to stop wearing jerseys, we stopped wearing jerseys. Like, there's a cultural impact.

Jay-Z also said Scarface the movie did more than Scarface the rapper to me.

Sure.

Meaning, like I'm saying, like, people love to just go right to hip-hop and say this is what's doing all of these things, but that's at the bottom of the list.

But I'm not—

shit, that's fucking shit up, right?

But I'm not saying that. I'm making a different argument because I agree with that argument. I don't think that, for example, there's a culture of violence in America. It's not unique to hip-hop.

It ain't just—

it's not unique to culture.

It's a culture of violence in humanity.

No, no, no, in humanity.

I'm making that point. I'm saying the same thing you're saying.

Look how Karisha got us.

No, but she got us someplace interesting, I think, right? Like, I would say even down to foreign policy, our response of, of, of, uh, problems is to shoot it or bomb it or blow it up. That's America. That's not hip-hop. I'm with you. I'm with I agree with you. That's not my issue. My issue is that there are certain things in our culture that matter more to us than things that are outside of our culture. And I'm saying inside of our culture, what kind of values do we want to have? Now that I look at— see the— think about what CeeDee Lawrence Tucker was talking about, about misogyny in hip-hop, what Dionne Warwick was saying, I can't 30 years later, as a damn near 50-year-old man, with any honesty or integrity say that hip-hop isn't misogynistic, right? I just can't. It is, right? So if all of our songs are misogynistic, You threw a word in there.

It's not all fair.

Withdrawn. I don't want to get— I don't want to get—

I don't like—

not even close.

That's the problem though. That's where my problem starts, right there.

I said the wrong word. I misspoke.

I'm gonna take a lot of people that say kind of what you're saying and they don't take the all out.

But I don't want to lose the actual point that I'm making, which is if there is a lot of misogyny in our culture, which it is, then that does shape and influence how we think about things. I was influenced by Snoop. I was influenced by Eazy-E. I was influenced by Digga Boy Plants and Most Definitely. I mean, I was just— exactly. Exactly. But even some—

but so I was influenced by Snoop too, but I didn't go out and start smacking bitches because he said it in a lyric somewhere.

And I'm— again, I'm not arguing that people listen to it and run out and do it. Again, I'm talking about attitudes, trends, values.

Take it in. Well, I wouldn't do— I would— well, we're pretty special people. What about everybody else?

Well, my thing is, I have a few points.

I think it's the other way around. That's why I have a few points, but I'll explain when he's done.

Good.

For me, I want to speak for me. Art is not just reserved for the good people.

That's true.

True.

It ain't like some art— I'm with the art that's speaking about whatever sin is from their surroundings or that they're experiencing or when they were that. I'm fly with— sometimes it even opens the door for healthy conversations like Ndiari is attempting to have. 2, N'Diaye R.E. has always come from a very unique place.

Yeah.

Like, her first day on the scene, it was, "We are beautiful as a people." Yeah. "Fuck what them people was talking about. Don't let 'em talk about our hair and our skin." And you are— like, she was proud and kicking something that wasn't really popular and has never been popular, really, in this, which leads to my third point. I'm not gonna let us sit here and keep talking about about Carisha, Carisha, Carisha when the bigger conversation is the infrastructures that are in place that push some of the programming to certain— y'all ain't gonna put this on fucking Young Miami. Y'all are not. You had Tank come up here and talk about the programming, and later in this NDR clip, she does go on to talk about Clive Davis. Uh, I maybe should have played it. Uh, but yeah, if we're gonna start attacking attacking just songs, especially the good ones. Like, we need to start attacking where they come from and why they come from and why they're being promoted, why they're being promoted, to who they being promoted to.

Yes.

Uh, my next point is, and I don't think it's music— music and art is applicable— is you decide how it's applicable to your life, right? Like, I've been vibing with this T.I. shit so hard, and part of why I'm enjoying and not just him, I'm enjoying age-appropriate music for me where I am, adult music that I can identify with. He on there talking about having money, going broke, being a dad, being a family, fucking grown-up, making mistakes. Like, he's—

I like that.

Me too.

I don't know if I necessarily need that when I'm in the strip club or when I'm in a nightlife or when I don't really need to hear nothing that is age-appropriate for me. Give me all of the bounce that asses like a friend do. Give me the I want the thick one. All of that shit that don't make no sense. This is the environment that I would like to hear that I don't leave here and now I'm programmed some type of different way.

Yeah, so again, I think we all agree that music isn't that one-to-one where you hear something, but it's that before you get to the words is what I'm saying.

Music does something before a word is laid to your, to your body.

That's why I use the video comparison, right? Because it's the exact same track but with very different content.

And both hard and both, both classic for sure.

And I'm saying sometimes the content does change something. But I think also you're in a strip club and you're in your really late 40s, right? And you're listening to—

I'm not in my really late 40s. You said my really late—

I meant you really are in your late 40s. Listen to the strip club. You're old enough to make that choice. And there's always been music, whether it's Millie Jackson, whether it's Clarence Carter, rest in peace, where— rest in peace, both of them— where you could listen to this music in the context of a certain space. But now the playing field's a little bit more level to me. So everybody's hearing everything. And so I'm not so much worried about how you respond to this scammer song.

But my response to that is that That's back to me saying you take what's applicable to you. Let me ask you, hold up, hold up, hold up.

I said to the 16-year-old. That's my point.

That's what I was about to ask.

The Beatles had songs about beating their women.

And it's a problem.

Johnny Cash had songs about women.

But see, I'm not saying those are okay. I'm saying it's all a problem. And I'm saying we should probably be more critical of it.

Mark, let me ask you a question. Do you think that there are teenagers that will hear Spend It and say, oh, I need to start scamming?

Yes, hon.

I mean, I just— yes or no?

Yes.

Oh yes.

But that's not my— again, my argument is I'm not saying that, right? However, there is a scammer culture and there are people who scam. And if I'm already mixed up with scammer culture and my favorite song is about— is about scamming, yes, I think that might be—

I've already been in scam— like, scamming ain't new.

That's why I'm not blaming the music. I'm saying the music is a factor that makes things hard. We have an opportunity when we listen to something. It could make things the same. It could make things better or it could make things worse. I'm saying maybe sometimes make some shit that makes things better. And it's not on Carisha. It is on the industry. It is on the system. It is on all the bigger shit. It's the same thing with gangsta rap. We could have kept listening to different kinds of shit. Gangsta rap had money in it, but partly because it was about killing niggas.

Can I ask a question? Why is not anybody addressing what she says when she says, I've traveled the world twice and I, I've seen the impact that Black culture has on the world. I've seen that. Y'all don't— some of y'all, most of y'all have never seen it.

So that's a fact, that Black culture impacts the world today, right?

But when we giving it out, and this, that's what she's saying, like when we giving it out this way, I, I'm assuming she's saying what they think of us. Is that what she's talking about?

I don't think she's— knowing her a little bit it. I don't think she's primarily concerned with how the world sees it.

I think she's more worried about us, how they respond to us, how they react to us, how they emulate us, how they adore us, how they take the fashion, how they take this lingo, how they take the hairstyle. She's talking about the impact that we have. Yeah, that may be what you're trying to get that out.

Like, that's an impact on the world, but we giving other shit out too.

We giving other shit out too though.

Listen, I'm just saying, and And that's the thing that I think is important about these conversations. For me, when a person comes off with, "I traveled the world twice and this is what I saw from MP." That's catching my ear, 'cause I haven't traveled the world. So it's like, and it's a different way of thinking of it, because we do run shit. I just watched a fucking Japanese bar, Korean bar, and this nigga's doing Jodeci, whole bar, boots and suit jackets. Like, we really do run shit to that point, you know? So that's something I've never thought of. And I'm also somebody that has never traveled the world. So that's why I just—

the part that also annoys me with this, when people say that, when people say that, they make it seem like this is all we're giving to the world, is this side over here.

Correct. The best-selling albums of this year rap-wise are what? Drake and J. Cole. Are they rapping about scamming? No, they're not.

And Don Toliver.

But yeah, and my thing is, when it comes to females rapping, right, I mean, we should have had our fucking female, uh, our women leader role models jump in a long time ago. This scamming song is the least if we just talking about the women raps of the last— agreed, half decade—

pussy pink, booty hole brown.

Yeah, ran, ran shit. Now it was quiet. Now y'all all listening to lyrics, cool. So we breaking down—

that is just anatomy.

We breaking down every word in the hook. But, but in the clubs, when this song come on, it's niggas with jobs throwing money. It's It's fucking niggas in suits throwing money. The World Cup Ecuadorian niggas, when they, they come and they throw them, like nobody is really focused on the scammer portion of this record.

Yeah, it's a catchy song. She caught one and they're not— that's what happened.

And she knew what part to make fucking catchy. Spin that. She didn't say scammers, spin it. Scammers, go scam and spend it. It was just a simple Spin that shit. Yeah, that's anybody. Hey, my son, my son, when he take all my money off the dresser, cuz spin that. You want to spin that on Bad Night Curses?

Oh nah, my girl's son, he thought, cuz in the radio they just say spin that, but she said it real fast.

Spinach.

Spinach.

All the kids saying spinach. Spinach. I'm like, the fuck you—

play spinach.

What the fuck?

All the toddlers say spinach, I swear.

Spinach chips. No, no, I wanted to go to House Dance the other day and I just started singing Spinach Dip in my head off of that. I did.

Yeah, she about to get applebee's.

Spinach dip.

Spinach dip.

Spinach dip.

Go ahead, Miami, get that fucking money, girl.

Hey, that's a good one.

Aquarian, let's go.

And yo, Miami, you ain't got to give a fuck about what none of them is talking about. As hard as you work to get one of these, uh, after you broke up—

that's the other side.

This girl bust her ass. She was left for dead, hoe.

Everybody clowning you soon as it happened with dude. Everybody, ah, look now. And she fought through that and came out with one. Like, come on, man. Now y'all want to start popping shit?

No, No, no, I don't think it's about—

and I didn't like the song at first, so I want to make it seem like I was one of them day one.

But it's a good fucking—

like, when you're outside, you guys, one at a time, please.

I'm sorry. When you outside, that record does exactly what you needed to do. Yeah, can't deny that.

I just wish it was a little more— I mean, I think about— so we don't stay in the exact same place— I was thinking about hip-hop and its impact positively, right? For example, growing up growing up, we heard a lot of records about people whose dads wasn't there. I think that mattered. I agree. Like, I think hip-hop made it not cool to be a deadbeat dad.

Fucking agree.

I think hip-hop did some amazing shit. And people don't rap about, yo, I had two kids, never seen them, nigga. Like, you don't rap about that shit. Now, some of them do it, but they don't rap about it.

I don't even— I don't like that. I don't like that. That's true at some point in hip-hop, depending on where you were introduced. Yeah, I didn't hear none of that when I was introduced to hip-hop. I didn't hear a peep about nobody having a dad in the '80s. Oh, on LL Radio, I didn't hear him say it. Uh, Kid 'n Play, Rakim, Slick Wick, Greatest Adventures, I think it's very— Run-DMC, I didn't hear him say it. Like, that wasn't my introduction to hip-hop.

I'm thinking about the '90s, I'm thinking about from Biggie, I'm thinking about N.O.G., I'm thinking about— I mean, actually everybody damn near, right?

I feel like in the NOG is the first time I heard somebody say, hey man, do this shit.

Be a dad. But I'm less thinking about the positive message, because again, the positive message becomes didactic. And sometimes it's like, that's not the thing you want. I'm talking about just people telling their own experience. And the same niggas that was talking about shooting people, the same niggas that was talking about fucking, all that shit, they also were saying, yo, my pop wasn't there. And it mattered. I think it mattered.

Single.

So I'm saying, in the same way that hip hop has an ability, just culturally, to impact how we think about fatherhood in a positive way, I don't want to— I can't— give hip-hop credit for that and not also hold hip-hop accountable for ways that culturally we might be influenced by some other shit that's different.

Oh no, you young, hold hip-hop accountable, but I mean it's gonna get heavy.

It is.

It's much bigger than hip-hop once you do that. Yeah, word.

That shit is like so frowned upon right now. Like niggas, oh, I don't hang with niggas that don't take care of their kids. And I do think hip-hop has something to do with that. And I do think it has something to do with so many rappers in the '90s and 2000s talking about how they didn't have a dad and how that made them feel. Letting other Black men or men be able to express, it did hurt my feelings that I don't know my father. It does hurt my feelings that I can't have a conversation with my father and everybody say I look like him. Beanie Sigel talking about his father. And I do think it matters and it is taboo. And I think that hip-hop has a part of that. That's a great point. I never thought about it.

I just wanna think about it on both sides. That's all. We got a chance to do something different. But I don't wanna pick on, I don't want to beat this conversation.

Listen, it's Fourth of July weekend, man.

See your kids.

Go outside and find your dad if he's lost.

And if you at the cookout, you going to hit spin that.

Yeah.

A lot.

The funny shit is dad don't never be lost far away.

He right there.

He'll be back, go to the park.

He right there. Yo.

He is not far. If you take a drive and just do like this, you gonna find your dad.

Do you know how many people I know who don't know they dads, who don't fuck with they dads, or dads don't fuck with them, and they live like 2 blocks away?

And the dad's right there.

Right there.

That's crazy.

That was crazy to me. Me. I always thought if you like abandon your kids, you at least go to the other side of town.

When I was going through, uh, whatever I went through with, uh, Trey's mom, that was the thing that was blowing my mind. It's like, yeah, we and Cory going through all this shit and I'm literally 15 minutes away.

Wow.

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There you go. Gotta spin that plane in the background.

No, I can't. I don't— I can't play that now that I live with a family.

Oh, that's true.

That song, they might get influenced. That song, we was in the shower this morning, I was like, yeah man, I might, I might go out tonight.

Uh, I said, aye, it's not—

how'd that go?

It's we.

That's great.

Be hot.

Like, that's the thing when you shower with your—

when you first move in.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's so cute at first.

Yeah.

When does it first—

when does it stop?

Yeah, yeah.

When does it stop?

It's going to stop so quick.

I know.

I never wanted to stop.

You're at day what, 3?

I'm day 3. About day 6, 10.

Yeah, you definitely won't make it to—

no, no, no, let me not front on you. That's our thing.

She want too hot in there.

Shower with your— that be the thing. I think it's such a bonding thing. Not when you fuck, when you just like watch, like just—

yeah, like she do my feet and my back and stuff.

I think that's so nice.

And we got dual showerheads. Oh yeah, we got dual showers. Now the thing about it, now when you cut on the other showerhead, my faucet, uh, struggles. Oh my—

yeah, that's a fucking problem. See, that's when that shit get weary, you know what I mean? When the space get a little— that ass get a little too fat to keep bumping happening to you? Did she get soap on you when you already rinsed? It's like, bitch, get the fuck on.

Not just that, again, that's your thing right now, but now that you live together, there is no time that you're really away from that other person. You're gonna want that shower by yourself.

Bathroom is your—

I'm telling you something, and I'm on some OCD Virgo shit. So we be in there together and she got this long beautiful hair, but so when she get to washing it, I just hear the boys and the saxophone. I just see globs of fucking chunks of hair. Hair going down my— oh my God, you get the little squeegee out. Oh my God, she noticed it now, so she tried to pick it up. Let me shut up before she come in here. Yeah, anyway, uh, listen, choose your picks carefully, uh, and don't forget, please, please, pretty please, I beg of you, no matter where you're listening to this, the most important part, go ahead and use promo code JBP to get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. Up only on PrizePicks, the official partner of the NBA. All right, Mona, we are gonna talk a little sports, but it's Philadelphia sports, so I know what happened, guys.

Oh, for real?

Yes, because I woke up and I saw the tweet that said, who's dumber, Pooh Shiesty or the Celtics?

And I researched it, and it means that they—

we got that guy Jalen from the Celtics to come to us, right? Congratulations to us.

That's fact. All right, I'm gonna mute up and let the Philadelphia portion of this podcast do whatever the fuck they wanted to do.

Well, no, it's just real simple. Philly's back up. That's it, man.

Put the word back out there, man.

Put the word back out, right?

We back up.

That's all.

We sent it to the group chat. We was hyped in. Jaylen Brown just got traded to us for a very favorable deal. That's all I'll say.

Yeah, good looking.

Yo, man, it was a good look for Philly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yo, big dog.

He's so petty. He could have just— yeah, give the party to hit the ball one time for the city.

Give me back the ball. Yeah, man, fuck all that Sixers shit, nigga.

He still worried about the last— wait a minute.

Hey, wait a minute, wait a minute. Hey man, I'm sorry, that was rude.

That was rude. First of all, y'all crumbling.

Mark, did you see my man on Instagram talking to OG? No.

Mitch was like, look, it ain't going the way y'all thought it was. I hope the truth comes out soon. You're crumbling.

I took I took that to mean the exact opposite of what you saying. I took that to mean the Knicks, who I kind of been reading the tea leaf, I don't really feel like they was the happiest with Mitch and they just trying to keep it down. They didn't want him.

That's cool, that's cool.

Y'all come on.

But we ain't worried about the losers.

We ain't get our rings yet. Open at night.

All right, cool.

The jewelry stores is closed still.

That's fine, bro.

That's fine. We traded for Jalen.

We did.

Got some big free agent signers. The team is looking good. And we one player away from a championship.

One more.

And you know who he is.

Who is it? Come on, LeBron James, the king, the king!

We are in—

oh my God, the king is coming!

We're on the shortlist!

LeBron, the king is coming!

We are on the shortlist! I didn't talk to my sources.

Mark don't have a backbone at all.

Are we going to get him, guys?

Mark is so spineless.

I am not spineless.

So you got to sit here and beg for LeBron to get to you? Yes! After all you said about Bronny James?

I never said nothing about LeBron James. James. I'm not begging for Bronny, although I'll take LeBron. We got a spot for you, LeBron James Senior and Junior.

I don't even know if LeBron is going to Philly after the stuff Jaylen Brown had to say about Bronny being in the league.

Don't worry about it. I'm just trying to throw it out there and hope he hear it and don't come because you get nervous.

He loves Jaylen Brown, he going, and he loves Joel Embiid, and he loves Tyrese Maxey. He loves the the squad. Rich Paul has pieces there. We are good.

We looking good.

But LeBron, look, listen to me, listen to me. There are a lot of people out there that don't fuck with what you're doing right now.

That's a good—

but we love you.

We do.

Philadelphia is the perfect city for you. You'll be a starter here. You'll be another champion here.

And we gotta treat you great.

Mona, break it down for them.

Tell—

please explain to LeBron why he should come to Philly.

Cheesesteaks, friendly people, very brotherly Loyal fans, sisterly affection.

They don't know about—

talk about it, talk about it now.

Okay, we have a Doomsday Festival, we have great barbers.

Brian is a music head.

That's right, you could be local, see an unhoused doing a cypher that kills it.

You don't want to go to Cleveland, you don't want to go to Golden State.

He did that already. He did Cleveland already.

He did Cleveland like shit.

You don't want to go to Golden State. East Coast.

East Philly, super clean, cleanest city on Earth.

You look— you like Rocky? Beautiful women, the steps.

All right, all right, we got you guys, we got it. We did our best, we got it. Was that your pitch? Was that the—

yeah, I think it's gonna work. I think we sold it.

I think we got him, we got him, we got him.

I got something for the wife, but tell me when to tag me in.

What do y'all think about the Celtics handling of Jaylen Brown? I don't want to spend a whole bunch of time on Terrible. Boy, does it feel racist. Yeah, ain't no feel in it.

I don't— it's two things happening. It's some behind the scenes shit with some player personnel shit that's interpersonal. It feels to me it's about— I'm about the players, not even about management. I don't know who's right, I don't know who's wrong, but Jalen and somebody ain't, ain't clicking from what I'm hearing. I think that's part of it. Then them reports y'all talking about where they say he act like he's the smartest person in the room, so That started to feel that racist. Yeah, that's the part that's very racist, but I'm not sure that's the biggest factor, but it's definitely the second biggest factor.

So you think it's— you think it's some team—

well, in totality, with— we not— we 2 years removed from him being the Finals MVP. We're not even a few months removed from him turning them into the second seed with no Jayson Tatum. I mean, his performance plus how he's being handled It feels— that little, he's the smartest person, that feels disgusting. That's like when a guy's like, I can't fuck with her because she's a hoe. It's like, that ain't why, right? That ain't— what does that have to do with anything, right?

Right.

That's my point.

He's the smartest person in the world, like, what are we talking about? He might be the smartest person. I want to say, and yeah, I hear he's brilliant.

Yeah, exactly. Like, I had a NASA, uh, internship waiting for giving lectures at, um, was it MIT? Excuse me, I almost get the school wrong, but extremely smart person.

And I mean, a few other things that just throw in the mix, uh, I was listening to Draymond Green's part and he was talking about how it's really difficult to move a contract when the guy makes $70 million a year. Yeah. So I'm sure that has something to do with with them wanting to get from under it. But my thing with that is y'all are the ones that gave it the contract, right? And you gave it to him not too long ago, which, which should have said what you thought of him. So to go from that to this in the span of—

you know them stat dorks though were saying like, you know, those— his numbers are empty calories, and that to make $70 million you need to be a generational kind of talent. He's not that. That's what the stat nerds are saying. And they're saying that he's kind of underplayed his contract despite his great numbers.

But the stat nerds are ruining a lot of different fields.

Yes, yes.

I mean, it's not just music, it's sports. It's— they, they out there. Yeah, we got eyes. We know what Jaylen Brown is and what he does. So for him to get to the Sixers, uh, along with, uh, Anfernee Simmons, who I like a lot—

yep.

Or is it Simmonds? I don't know, I'm bad with names, but I like him a lot. Uh, listen, Philly's putting some stuff together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we got out of some bad days.

They got, uh, they got our third string center, they got Hook Porter, 40, uh, champion. He can go over there and teach y'all what it's like to get past the semifinals, get past the conference finals.

LeBron James—

well, LeBron James is not there, and since he's on his way— no, he's not.

I'm tracking the plane. It's on the way.

Yes, he's coming.

When else do men beg like this? You niggas gonna beg for LeBron?

Yes, yes. Shameless.

We beg, we begging sports.

What a bunch of bitches.

Whatever.

All right, he's saying that because they just Jalen Brown, you got to the right city. Philly is on exactly what you on.

Yeah, yep, yeah. Black, smart, Muslim. It's— he perfect for Philly.

He's Muslim, boy.

He actually fast during the season.

They already got your spot at the Masjid.

And Paul George, don't you worry, you going to hear all the nigger boys, you going to hear all the racial slurs. Yes, he is.

No, he not.

Yes, he is.

He ain't even going to be—

I say he be on the podcast.

He gonna play. Paul George gonna play a couple games. I feel bad for Paul George that it's always his name attached to the worst possible trade ever in the history of the NBA. It's gonna happen about 3 or 4 times now.

He is— they said he's the most like valuable trade piece in NBA history when you look at all the people who've been traded for him. Would have to be from OKC to— yeah, it's been insane. Another piece is, uh, the Lakers. They've made some moves.

Snow time! Snow time!

I've never seen a team That white?

Post-Jim Crow.

Yeah.

Not since Jim Crow. Not since my people could vote have I seen them put together a team with that many white starters who was supposed to be the anchor of the team.

They look like the old school Duke team.

Yeah.

They should look crazy looking at that roster. Which was only a surprise to Stephen A. Smith. I never thought that Luka was going into the executive suite to say, hey, bring in some blacks.

See?

I never felt like that.

Do you feel like—

I don't even see him dap nobody black. At All-Star Weekend. Nothing about Lucas. Yeah, it's just him. It's him and Joker the whole time. Give me some white boys out here.

Do y'all feel the way that Stephen A. said, like, you can't win with this many white people?

No, no.

See, I do. I don't like that shit.

Oh, Mark, yo, didn't we say no more activism?

This isn't activism.

It is. You activisming for the whites.

No, I'm activist. I'm saying, like, you can win with white people. Give me the right whites. Yeah, it ain't, it ain't, it ain't a political issue. I'm saying you get the right 3 white people, you can win.

That's not true.

White men can't— you don't think you can win with Luka and Jokic and Messi?

That ain't that though.

No, that's my point. They got the wrong whites. Okay, that's what I say. You can't—

they don't have hardly much more money to go get the whites that you talking about, and they don't have any, uh, draft picks for the next 7 years to go get some of the whites you talking about. In a Black sport, you do need Black people. I know Elon Musk is going to hate to hear that, but you're going to need some. And you're saying, can you win with the right whites? I'm sure you could if you get to the perfect ones. Yeah, these white chances of that are very slim. They kept Vanderbilt though, and they got, uh, Colin, uh, Colin Sexton. So there's two Blacks.

Has this ever happened?

Token The tokens.

It's the wrong city, you know. It's also the wrong city to have many white people.

That's the crazy Boston.

Sure, Utah, Minnesota, maybe.

Maybe.

But you can't just walk around LA with a whole team full of whites.

Craziness.

You can't do that.

It's bad for business.

Too much LA history.

Bad for the image of LA.

Yeah, it's perfect for Boston.

Back to, uh, Boston for a quick second. Uh, I was reading something that said that, uh, part of the Jaylen Brown debacle that's not being discussed is how private equity is taking over sports. And these are the decisions that come about when private equity is running things. Yeah, they said so a couple years ago, the, uh, PE niggas come in, uh, they take control of the Celtics, which is them wanting to shed salary. They said that they also have a 10% stake and the Spurs, the same PE firm.

Oh wow, that's not okay.

Which should be a total— it should be a— want me to find it? I'll find it.

How the fuck you—

you—

can you do that?

Apparently, yeah, must be some kind of loophole, but I, I don't like it.

Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

Talking about can we do that when we got Malik Beasley out here on the—

running amok, stealing the ball from his own teammate NBA, Niggas Is Betting Association.

That's good. Uh, let me see, I think I have this clip. Let's see.

Yeah, Jalen Brown wasn't traded because of bad blood with the team, but because the owner of the Celtics doesn't really own the Celtics.

Jalen is the latest victim of private equity in pro sports, and I promise you, it's only getting worse from here.

Last year, when the Celtics sold to Bill Chisholm and his PE backers for $6.1 billion, we all kind I saw this coming. The deal was actually illegal from the jump. Here's my friend June Lee to explain.

Sixth Street puts in more money than Chisholm, a structure that violated the NBA's rules on how much private equity can own for an NBA team.

Despite that, Celtics publicly announced the sale anyway, with Chisholm as the lead buyer. That public announcement helped Chisholm raise money from other investors, allowing him to reduce Sixth Street's percentage after the fact. Essentially, Bill is more puppet than owner.

Sixth Street has the real power, which allows them to run the standard PE playbook. Think about the Celtics like Jersey Mike's, which also sold to private equity over the last few years. We all noticed the subs have a little bit less meat, but they're still good enough to pop. That's the idea behind the Jaylen Brown trade. Sure, he's a superstar in the middle of his prime, but he's expensive and only getting more expensive on his next contract. Will the team be as good with Paul George? Of course not, but they'll still be competitive in the East, and fans are—

you get the point.

Oh, okay.

Jersey Mike's, he brings up a good point. I noticed what y'all are doing now. I paid an extra $1.79 for extra meat, but that just get—

pause—

but that just gives you the meat that you got before. Yeah, yeah, Jersey.

This is what Jersey's not— can't be trusted for food. Fucking Jersey Mike's. Who would eat at a place called Jersey fucking Mike's?

I love a Jersey Mike's.

Mark, you built your home in New Jersey, you found the love of your life. Yeah, you are a New Jersey— New Jersey embraced you after CNN treated you horrible. But you asked her where she was from, she told you Jersey, and you came.

Yeah, and then you moved.

You didn't make her move to Philly like a That's what we did.

We stayed there for 2 years.

Oh really?

Philly? Yeah, that's what we was.

Norfed that.

And then it was time.

She went downhill.

Enough of that.

People kept stealing our food off the porch.

It was like, all right, she's like, enough of that.

Yeah, once she saw me chase that homeless dude down the street for that sandwich, she was done.

Um, next season in the NBA is going to be absolute cinema. I can't wait for the Christmas games to be announced. I can't wait for opening night, opening night to be announced. Anything Sixers-Celtics is going to be cinema.

Amazing.

I cannot wait to see it. He's gonna try to kill fucking Tatum and the boys. Oh yeah, that was a nasty trade. I want to say that we ain't felt a trade nasty like that in a while, but the Luka trade wasn't too long ago.

Yeah, but not straight— not to your, like, your division rival.

That's almost disrespectful.

Yeah, when you do that, it's disrespectful.

We think you ain't shit. We're gonna trade you to a division.

We're going right there.

Yeah, I mean, y'all are in the division. Yeah.

And now we're a rival.

I don't think nobody is viewing y'all like a rival to the Celtics.

We are better than the Celtics right now.

Please, please, please, the game is not played on paper. Oh, the game is not played on paper. You do not know that you better than the second seed Celtics. You don't know that.

We just sent them home.

Are you high?

We just beat them in the playoffs, put them out, and now we took their best player. How are we not better?

Well, they were injured and He was the best player in the playoffs.

Yes, this year.

Yes, I think it's fair to say if you beat the team, you're better than them.

Fair?

Yes, yes.

So he's— we just beat them, beat him at full strength, beat him at full strength.

We just choked like we did last year.

We just took—

you know what, ask Huck Porty. Ask Huck Porty, he's been there a little while, he can explain to you.

I hate him. This is gonna feel so much better.

I can't wait.

Oh wait, you can get this back 10-fold.

You can't wait. You've been waiting since 1983. It's been a while, right? Was it '82 or '83?

'83.

Was that Moses Malone in them? Who was on that team? Was that, uh, what's my other man, the big, uh, Ralph? No, there's no Ralph Sampson.

No, the wrong team.

That's right, that's Houston. Who the fuck was on there?

It was Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Toney, Dr. J, Moses Malone.

Yeah, you mean Maurice Cheeks is with the Knicks now, so I won't disrespect him.

OG, Hall of Fame point guard.

Yeah, uh, Hall of Fame championship assistant coach now.

I think he probably is more important being championship assistant, starting point guard, assistant coach, you know what I'm saying? Tomato, tomato.

Yeah, you know, don't worry, y'all, y'all can wait, it's fine. Men, yo, you know what's funny? Y'all niggas sound like the Magic fans last season when they got Bane and they was talking to me crazy. I ain't going to Sports Mix.

We don't sound like—

no, we don't. No, it ain't. I'm just talking about the talk. I'm just only talking about fans. The Magic fans thought that, oh, y'all better look out when the next season—

we got Paolo Brown is not—

Brown and Bane is not—

we not— all right, well, we not scared of Brown. Maybe that shit flies with somebody else.

You scared if we get Braun?

We not— that should be a little worse. Yeah, I'm not gonna sit here and lie.

I appreciate the honesty.

I tweeted yesterday, how much money the Sixers got left? I can deal with— because some of them shits— well, y'all got, uh, Dean Wade. Like, it's enough, enough now. Yeah, yeah, y'all got too many niggas. Uh, what else is happening?

It's apology time.

Oh shit, yep. Nah, on gang, thank you. Y'all owe me and Mark an apology.

Oh, this son of a bitch.

No, honestly, I can't lie.

Piece of shit.

No, I can't tell a lie. Y'all owe me and Mark an apology. We tried to tell y'all when it came to LaVar Ball, don't always trust the first person that runs to the airwaves to say they side side of the story. Sometimes there's more to be revealed, but no, y'all ran with the narrative.

Parks, I sent you the clip because I don't trust him.

She had it, she had a stroke and he was there for her, and then the second he get his leg amputated, she's not there for him. Y'all gotta get off the internet, yo.

So if y'all remember, on God, I wish Flip was here too because he was, you know, he was co-signing your Last week when LaVar Ball came out and said that his wife left him and all this shit, and y'all was all caping for LaVar Ball, and I said, hey, there might be another side to this. Flip was on my ass, Ice was on my ass, and Joe— and Joe— yes, you, sir— and Joe was the main one talking about Mark just running to defend any woman no matter what happens.

Which is still a fact. That's still it.

That don't negate the other—

Mark is a bitch, but he's right.

I was correct.

A feminist.

No, he's a feminist, but that's separate from what I'm saying. He's a bitch.

Here's, here's the thing.

He's not—

I already knew the story. I already knew what happened with LeVar Ball. Yeah, I just wasn't going— it's not my business to tell, so I said I'm just going to throw out— and I told you that off camera.

He treated that white woman like a slave, and he didn't help her when she was sick. Her family helped her when she was sick. That's bullshit.

I have no comment on that. That's not my business. But what I will say is, that's the point. Just because somebody run out first and say some shit, don't make it true. Don't make it not true, but it don't make it true. And all y'all talked all that shit to me, made it sound like I was pulling this shit out my ass. And then sure enough, the son Lonzo Ball comes out and says this, who's trustworthy, right?

I know that there's been an uproar about the situation. I'm going to touch on it briefly. First and foremost, I want to say I love both my parents, but the situation that is put before y'all is not how it went down. I'm not about to get into all the details, but long story short, my mom didn't want to leave. She was quote unquote, quote unquote, damn near forced to leave. I helped her leave.

I'm glad. Shut your mama's boy ass up, nigga. Put her up nice. Pick yourself the fuck up, nigga.

Pops is good.

They obviously don't fuck with each other, but I fuck with them both. And she was not wrong at all. She did not leave him because he left is because he lost his foot. That's a myth that was put out there.

But your—

have I seen?

I don't know.

But my dad did a great job raising us. My mom did a great job raising us. Uh, they didn't work out, and it is what it is, man. They both doing well, and I love them both.

And this is how—

unless you want to say—

well said, Duke. This is how I know, like, I don't need Activist Mark here to let me know that I'm misogynistic. For real, I don't This is how I know. I don't know what LaVar did, but insert some stuff, like make up whatever we think he did. Oh, he was cheating, he had a secret affair, he had a new family on the other side of town. Like, just put anything in there damn near, except for like abuse, right? But if you letting a one-legged nigga abuse you Got to wait a second now.

Kicking someone out when you only got one first.

No, it does say something. Wait, wait. Hey, if you can't hop away, if you can't run from the nigga hopping after you, then get your ass over here, girl. So I don't think it was dope. I'm sorry, bro. Let me just get this out. So what I'm saying, anything that you put in there, I still feel like she shouldn't have left. I still feel like she shouldn't have left. All right, you cheated. Listen, Listen, you was on your ass and I maintained you and my other bitches. I nursed you back to health and my side and my other bitches didn't bat an eye. The determination, the willpower that goes into that. And now here you go, now the second I get my leg cut off and have bitches, this is now you out. Why are y'all— now Lonzo, do Lonzo have a job?

Up?

No.

Yo, do we have an NBA team? Motherfuck is he talking about? Now we gotta hear from him about Family Matters.

He's a podcaster.

First of all, what— at what point—

this really went different than I thought.

At what point do you find sympathy for fucking getting your foot amputated with diabetes? It's like, come on, you know what I mean?

It's that—

the skipping of a donut, of a coffee, or whatever. He— you know what I mean? Like, come on, I don't feel bad you lost your foot after 50 years with diabetes. That's crazy. It's saying fuck my— it's saying fuck what's going on. That's the truth. You cannot— that whole thing was a spin. That's why I used it that way, okay?

It's a good spin.

Listen, it's a great spin.

It's a wonderful reality.

In reality, in reality, come on, come on. Get your foot amputated after having diabetes for 1,000 billion years. Stop it, guys. It's a scam. And we've seen a bunch of times where this bitch ain't shit when really, she held it down. She was treated like a fucking slave.

Well, I don't know that. I said y'all might know that. I'm saying we've seen a bunch of times where one kid is just closer to this parent and just believe what they said and ran it. We don't know.

He helped her move out like a bitch, or a good son.

Exactly.

Like everybody in here would do.

Them kids have reported how—

but I don't mean I know what happened.

I'm gonna tell y'all what happened off air and then y'all go.

I'm just saying I don't mean I know what happened.

Well, you really know what happened.

Yes, that's the whole point.

Last time, cut this off and cut this off. Hey, Morgan, now that we know— hey, get the fuck out of here!

Y'all are terrible people, every single one of y'all.

Now that we know, I'm more on his side.

Facts.

Are you kidding me?

That's sad.

Oh please, not me. You lucky he ain't have his cane by. He was able to— he was able to—

moms ain't give him his own sneaker.

Those kids have said how mean that he was to them when he were little.

Joe Jackson was mean. Hey, Steve Jobs employees said the same thing. Look at Apple today.

Hey, sometimes you gotta be mean to get them to start them.

I'm only saying that to say that it wasn't this picture-perfect thing over there. He was treating that lady rough.

We knew it wasn't picture-perfect when he went on, uh, SportsCenter and said he could beat, uh, Michael Jordan in a one-on-one. We knew he had it. We knew that he was off, but who cares? He sent 3 kids to the NBA. One of them stayed.

One got a rap career.

Rap career.

One of them got a record deal with Def Jam.

$13 million.

Got I ain't gonna front, women put too much focus on the cheating.

You know how much shit that nigga was dealing with? You know, diabetes, raising these kids, fucking— one of them brought some crash out to the crib to try to take the whole family's money, had to deal with that. Like, this nigga had to deal with a lot of shit. Here you come now, want to take me off my dean to focus on my secret family? No, ma, you can't do that. No, you can't. My secret family was a secret.

Terrible.

My kids, my kids, my kids don't even get to the league.

Yeah, it works.

I held it down with the secret family.

My secret family loved me with one leg. Here you go complaining now.

They say secret family. I never say secret family, right? I said it.

Okay, that ain't enough. That ain't enough for me. Uh, secret family, now you leaving?

So happy.

Oh, she's elated that she been released from the grips of that. But he did some ill shit to make— to force her hand.

Do you want to cry? Do you want to cry in the garden or the wild?

He didn't include this tea.

Because y'all cut me off and said, Mark, shut the fuck up, let's go back.

His first tea was trash.

Yeah, I was telling you in chronological order. I was telling you in order.

Oh, there's more?

Yeah. You know what, fuck y'all. You know what, fuck. No, no, let's move on.

I always listen.

I know you do. I'll tell you later. I'll tell you later. Anyway, but yes, fuck y'all. Y'all owe me an apology. Next time, trust me when I say there's more to the story.

Y'all owe me and Mark an apology for rushing the judgment.

That was it.

I told y'all shady asses don't believe believe everything you hear.

Never can.

That was the appetite.

When the fuck we start listening to Lonzo Ball about anything? No, about anything.

It seems like a reasonable thing to start with though, bro.

He got Lonzo Ball drafted number 2 to the Lakers.

He said, I love my dad. He ain't mad at his dad, he just knows that's fucked up.

He know his dad.

He got Lonzo Ball drafted in front of Luka. The fuck are we talking about? His job is that he should get— he should get the fuck a couple Bridges. He should get to have a couple families.

You see what that son did when he got that girl Nicki pregnant and left and went to the other one? You leading them children the wrong way.

Probably listening to too much rap music.

Yep, spin that.

Spin that shit. Y'all are terrible.

Oh my God, that's a fact.

Y'all are terrible. That part we got down. This is a fucking classic.

It's a bop.

And he's talking about scamming too.

I love this song.

Swiping cards and stacking chips.

I absolutely love— hold up now. Can't sleep through the night, I'm losing my mind tonight. Bankrolls on the table, watching local cable. That shit is hard, but I like anything from the '80s. Anybody that make a song that's sounding like it's from the '80s, I'm buying it.

Is it true how they say he made it? Is that really true?

Was it?

Yeah, something Yeah, he put some '80s vibe in, cuz I checked him out, he had like a lot of trap music and that type of shit.

So I didn't buy his other slaps.

He did good with this one. He prompted good.

I bought this one.

It's so different from the other stuff.

He Tommy Richman'd me. Oh man, Tommy Richman, leave him there. Hey, Tommy Richman.

All right, fine.

Yeah, leave him there. And Jack Harlow. Sometimes I think about the bad albums that came out, wonder what they them niggas is doing. Fuck is Jack Harlow on right now?

Somewhere in that hat.

Yeah, that next album, don't do that. Don't, don't come out with that black music dressed like Sean Wayans again.

I ain't doing that shit no more.

Them fucking hats, all of them.

Doing that shit no more. That shit ain't work at all. Back to the drawing board.

Wardrobe from Love Jones.

And I just know he was fucking a black girl that endorsed that shit.

That's what got him dressing like that.

That crystal-using, waist bead-wearing bitch.

Yeah, yeah.

I would have rather had a nigga in a bust down and some big sneaks. That's where I would have took him, because he would have blended in a little bit. Now you got this nigga walking out here looking like D'Angelo. He look crazy. Yeah, he giving Common, and he look crazy. Too light-skinned for that Common vibe. He couldn't pull that off.

Speaking of big sneaks, random question, how much money y'all think that, that, uh, uh, thick Alexander McQueen sneaker made when it had its run? Oh my God, like if you had to guess, how much money you think that that sneaker made for Alexander McQueen?

Which one had a bigger—

they were both—

because Balenciaga's went crazy during that free money era.

I was about to say, I think, yeah, in our area, those are PPPs. Which Balenciaga you talking about? The big chunky chunky chunky chunky chunky chunky that came out 2020.

Oh, I thought you're talking about the sock one.

I thought about the sock.

Yeah.

The chunky one especially ain't standing in the same room as that McQueen.

Go in there with that one.

Remember, that's a prime baby shower sneak too, the McQueen. Yeah, so yeah, the McQueen had to make it.

The McQueen is nigga's court sneaker.

That McQueen was damn near like a Timberland. You just put that shit with anything.

Guys, Max B got caught in Harlem with somebody. They wore his ass out.

They tore him up.

They wore his old ass out. Then he had his sweater tied around his neck.

I saw it.

Oh, he put his Sunday best on with the McQueen. Everybody, that's only, you know, he's fresh out of jail, that's gonna happen.

Ah, Mark, last part you asked me who was cool.

Yeah, Babyface is cool.

Okay.

Yes, we were talking more rap, I know, but now I just keep thinking of that's cool.

He's effortlessly—

Babyface is the— let me tell you how cool Babyface is. Babyface Babyface went to go do, uh, The Cadillac Chronicles.

I watched it. He killed it.

I love that show.

Yeah, Ellie Reed back on the drum machine.

Knock it off. I was like, damn, damn, this nigga Babyface is in a Cadillac with The Deal.

Yes.

And the Whispers. And John B singing.

You hear this shit?

Listen to the deal dude still trying to steal the show from Babyface too after all these years. Oh, let's go, Babyface! Hey, these niggas is in a car, they cooling. Look, shades on like this. Look, Mona, this is live.

That shit don't make no sense.

Look, these niggas got the guitar in the Cadillac. Hey, nah, dog, come on. What I wouldn't have gave to be in that Cadillac.

They smoked that Cadillac.

We have never seen Babyface sweat or look weird or crazy.

He has not a once in life.

Never.

Yeah, not a once in life.

She might give you a chuckle.

Even when he gave the ladies all them Hate These Niggas anthems. Yeah, I want— I want to interview Babyface to talk to him about that, them records, the psychology behind being able to make I Hate This Nigga anthems as a man.

Yeah, him and Neo.

I was just with Neo. Yeah, that was the other one. How do you think that—

now, Neo is like child's play to me.

Yeah, he just said—

I just said to him, yeah, Neo was like, uh, when you mad, you look Like, what's the—

Babyface, right? Irreplaceable.

Yeah, he did the to the left, to the left. Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about Babyface, right? Women's Anthem.

Well, there's, uh, the discrepancy with that. We don't know how much of what wrote.

Oh, got it.

Okay, but he's on there. He's on it. But what are some other Neo big breakup joints? I just— I just don't think he belongs in that. Babyface is— Babyface made people divorce. And I think that's interesting as a dude. Like, love should have brought you home. Like, what are you talking about? Why would you say that as a man? He wrote Take a Bow too.

I was trying to think. I think— I thought he wrote Take a Bow. Yeah, he wrote Take a Bow, the Rihanna joint. Yeah, that's another—

no, bitches is like Rihanna. We wasn't breaking up over it. If a bitch went on and broke up with you over Take a Bow, nigga, she did you a Do me a favor.

You've been out the door anyway, bro. The song had nothing to do with that.

Take him back.

Just happened to come on on the way home. Yo, I heard you finally saw Obsession, yo.

Oh boy.

Because me and Parks have talked about it. We saw it.

I got killed for saying it was trash.

So I heard you finally saw it and I need to know what you think about it.

Dog, let me tell you what I think of Obsession. Stacking cards. Yo, so I'm in the crib, fucking staring at my family. Which day was this?

This is hour 34. It's hour 34. No, for real.

I'm in the crib, so in love. Huh, right, just staring at my family. Sure, let me turn on Apple TV. Oh shit, oh shit, I'm dying to see this. Yo, yo, yo, I know it's a movie that I just ain't seen on here, yo. It got to Please. So I turned on the Apple TV and the first thing that pops up is Obsession. Uh, I looked at my baby, hey, look, a movie, look. She said, hey, come on, let's turn it on. I say, hey, yes, let's turn it on. I ain't even watch a trailer or nothing. I just hit play. And I felt like Obsession made its way to Apple TV kind of soon. I purchased it. Available for purchase purchase. Yeah, it's available for rent later in the month, but I purchased it and I still thought that was kind of fast.

It is, it happens quicker now. It's very, it's not, it's not very quick.

Like, Michael Jackson movie's out already. Yeah, I was like, damn.

Um, so we press play and it's early enough in the day to where I'm not falling asleep, so I'm gonna watch this. Sorry, I'm gonna look at this. Sorry to hear This is the dumbest movie that I've ever fucking seen. This is one of the worst movies. And I know that my audience is sick of hearing me say something about movies being the worst, but y'all— Parks came on in and said that this movie was the worst, and I saw some of y'all out there killing for his take.

Yeah, we trashed this movie.

We did.

So this is why I'm killing this movie from the rip. Dude come on and is a loser. Boy, he, he's a loser. He drops the girl off to her house, and this is the prob— this is problem number one, which is the overarching problem with this movie. He buy the little wish thing to make a wish, and he wished that the girl would like him. However, the girl already liked him, seemingly.

Yeah.

What? No seemingly about it. Me and my girl had a 5-minute fight about it and she done dropped 90 hints. She did, she did, she did. Hey, she said, hey, do you like our friend? Do you like my friend Nancy? Or whatever the fuck the girl— do you like Nancy? He's like, no, the fuck is— nah, it's just— she's cool. Are you sure? Okay, all right. She trying to give him some push. Do you want to come in?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, like, the night is young. He's like, oh no, I'm fine, you probably should just go. But anyway, she's like, are you sure that we can't do anything together? I'm like, oh shit, she likes him.

Bro is the worst actor. She likes this guy.

Horrible. So then he breaks the thing, and now she turns into whatever the fuck she turns into, and now this becomes the worst movie in the world for the next hour. And I was 45 minutes in, and, and I was like, I thought it was like 10 minutes. I thought we was in the beginning still. This, this, this shit was a wreck. But I stayed long enough to get a good laugh at the end, cuz I got— I get some good laughs at the end when the psycho bitch came out and banged the friend's head on the steering wheel. Steering wheel. Yeah, bam, bam, bam. Come on, dog. Because by this point, the movie's so corny that I'm like fucking Malik Beasley trying to get that rebound. I'm like, give me something, give me something, just give me something. So they sitting there talking and shit in the car. I'm like, I Oh, y'all about to die. Y'all about to die.

Now y'all—

yeah, now y'all—

that girl came right out, broke on her. Bang, bang, bang. Then the funny part, it then walked to the other side of the car and gave him a hug. Oh baby, I love you. Oh, this movie is dumb. Oh, the kickback that they went to.

That's bad.

The kickback that they went to, that was the worst kickback ever. Everything about this shit is ass, bro.

We seen too many good movies based off of this, somebody falling in love in and stalk Fatal Attraction. Like, we've seen this. This was a bad version of—

it was. If she wasn't attractive, that movie would— no one would pay any attention to that, right?

But she wasn't attractive as they showed her, as like half a skeleton and beat up and blood and bitch done duct tape the door off. Like, bitch. And that was the other thing, duct tape the door was pretty funny. But that's my door. Like, I asked her, I asked her, hey, who house they in? At some point this movie so bad, I'm like, wait, is this his crib? Just put the bitch out. Yeah, they never really got into them just living together now. Bitch, no, you have to go.

You got to go.

She loves you, she's going to listen, theoretically.

Yeah, that movie was so bad.

That movie was a mess.

It was a mess.

And had the nerve to be fucking half long it was. That movie was absolute atrocious. Whatever.

Speaking of love though, see, we had two people climb the Empire State Building in the name of love.

That's fucking love.

That's love.

What did the fucking sign say?

Some shit about love.

Sorry for the dookie.

By the time I saw it, it said Joe's Pot of the Month.

I think that is the one I saw. That's the one I ain't know what the fuck they saw.

Hey, by the time I saw it, the internet changed that sign to say everything else.

It was bugging out.

I saw a cheese I saw a Cheez-Its ad.

It was originally the Jimi Hendrix quote, right?

It was.

When the power of love replaces the love of power.

That's it.

That was from Jimi Hendrix.

Yeah, man, if he wanted to, he will. That was lit. That was beautiful. Who fucking could top that?

Who wants to?

Or it's some—

some fucking shit is lit though.

It's lit.

Like, once I realized it was a proposal, because I'm like, all these stupid ass motherfuckers up here.

And it's also content, right?

They get to bail out together, and they're Daredevils, I think.

Yeah, yeah, I think they've had, uh, a Netflix special.

Yeah, I love it.

Well, they caught like 4 charges. They got burglary, trespassing. Yeah, so like 4 joints. Yeah, is it? Yeah, there's some shit I would never do.

You seen that picture she took?

Yeah, with the ring like this.

Bam! Yeah, she gonna make back 10 to 10.

You got to go to the moon to—

I was crazy just looking at the pictures and videos, like, you got to do that.

Like, I was just happy it wasn't violent. It wasn't no crazy violent, like, double suicide, like, you know, shit is crazy right now. I was just happy.

You got to do that with them slim girls.

Positive thing.

I get up there with my girl, that fucking little skinny antenna get to waving around, we fucking fell down. And then the other thing, if they had to be me, if I got my arthritis start kicking in my hand just watching them try to hold on onto that thing ever since he got skinny, man.

Yo, he talked about everybody.

It went to his fucking head, like, it's sick. And at first I was enjoying it, but now it's like, it's too much.

Yeah, you talking about some dude that was built bad and say he's overweight?

Yeah. Oh, he built— the guy at Lowe's, okay. God forbid the man making $13 an hour and he tired, his back hurt, but he fat too, according to Joe Budden.

Look, listen, back in my day when I used to work at the Wiz is I was a stock boy. So the salesperson would sell you the item, and then I would come out and help you put it in your vehicle, and hopefully you would tip me. Not at Lowe's. Ain't no stock person. I told you it wasn't but two niggas.

So it's right there on the shelf.

So the bigger dude that's helping me gotta come out and be my— the stock boy too. He got to go get the tape measure. I'm asking him, yo, you struggling? Can this fit in here. He's like, yo, no, we could take the top off and we could do this. And so we had to stand in the heat for— so I'm watching a fat white in the immense heat. Didn't— wasn't a good match.

No, trying to put an AC in the Ferrari and shit.

Why was you getting this yourself anyway? You don't do shit for yourself, huh? Why were you doing this for yourself anyway?

I wasn't doing it for myself.

Why were you—

no, I'm doing so my girl could cook. No, you missing the point. My girl can get on the grill, huh?

I'm leaving it alone.

What happened? I think we got the house.

Yeah, that's all. I didn't want to be the one to say it.

I'm like, Joe ain't never told a story where he end up—

he'll send soda to go to Lowe's.

He about to do a lot of stories, they always in the same place.

And what he didn't tell you is he went to Home Depot first, but they ain't have it, right?

So I had to go to Lowe's.

Yo, the funny shit— I'mma say this and then I'm moving on, cuz fuck y'all. But before I leave, cuz I'm going to get a haircut, so I'm like, all right, I get the—

I thought he came to the bed.

The barber come with you twins, huh?

Two barbers.

And this was the time when you need to go out.

It's not like go out, it comes to the house.

Happen to fall on the C-Day, nigga, with the Delaware lows, cuz it's tax-free.

So I'm like, all right, I'll go to— I'll go to Lowe's, and then I'll go to the barber, and then I'll go to Restoration Hardware. I try to—

yo, you're not being—

I try to get me like a table. So I go in the living room, I sit down, her son come up to me with the shit, with the—

that's—

well, she only got one son. So her son come up to me and he say, hey man, I can go with you to get a haircut like when you go go.

That's dope.

I said, yes, but I'm not just going to get a haircut. I'm going to Lowe's, then I'm going to get a haircut, then I'm going to Restoration Hardware.

All this—

this nigga look me in the eye and say, yo, I'm down. Anything to get away from these girls. I'm like, yo, oh my God, these bit your face, these motherfuckers. Anyway, man, uh, what else needs artists? Coco Jones. Coco Jones.

Which car did you take to put this shit in though?

Oh, so, oh, okay, that makes sense. So, you know, you know, I took my—

oh, that's funny, son.

All right, so Coco Jones, friend of the show, even though she hasn't been to the show, but when I go to the Knicks games, when they play the Cavs, Donovan Mitchell give me a little salute, so she's a friend of the show. Um, Coco Jones went on live to talk about some of the struggles she's been having as an artist. I thought it was so honest and transparent and good to hear that I wanted to come in here and play it for you guys, uh, to see what y'all thought. But this was just refreshing to me to hear in real time somebody who's by all accounts kind of lit, right, right, talk about some of the hurdles that they having trouble with. Uh, here she is, Coco Jones.

I never came into this game knowing exactly like what I do. Like, I knew I could sing my ass off, like that was pretty clear, and that was kind of like the only consistent. But like, I didn't really have like a thing, you know? I don't, I don't think I really have like a thing. Personality, sure, like relatable.

This is so honest.

Anyway, Anyway, I think that is biting me in the ass right now. Like, with this album, um, I feel like the reception that I'm getting out in the world is like confusion. Obviously I get that because in the inner world it's confusions, not specifically about like what I stand for, what I'm trying to talk about, things of that nature, but really more like how does it sound? How is it supposed to sound? What is sound. I'm so drained, actually. I'm so drained of this process of like trying to figure this, this shit out.

This is so dope to me. It is because it is a draining process if you do it.

It's like, dang, she's almost there. It's like, oh, I was like, dang, she's almost there.

It's like almost clicking.

Like, what the hell is the almost? And why is there always an almost? How long is there gonna be the almost? I feel like we're at the final hour of all of this almost shit. It either has to click or it's going to be over— I'll always be like, damn, what could have been?

That ain't it.

It's like, dang, I'm confused about what the confusion is. I thought her sound and brand was kind of traditional R&B.

Yeah, but this new album isn't that good. Maybe I haven't heard the new album, but I think there's a part that she might not be understanding is I don't think a lot of the confusion necessarily is her for the new album. You did the album with Timbaland a lot.

No, no, Coco Chico. Not Coco Jones. You thinking of Khloé, who I owe an apology to because I called that album trash, but it wasn't an album, it was a mixtape, and I would never call a mixtape trash. That's for a different purpose.

They did the track. That's my mistake, I'm sorry.

Yeah, I've never thought that her branding was off, but maybe I haven't heard the new album or anything. She's been experimenting with like a different sound.

I've heard it. Trying to find some of the records. Yeah, this is her new album. Let me see. Actually, that might not be her new album. Let me just see so I can make sure what her new album is. I bought it, whatever it is. Uh, Coco Jones.

I think all the shit she's talking about is extremely important for any artist though. Like, you should figure out what you want to look like, sound like brand. Your brand.

All right, here's her new album. Yes, and this is from 2024, Coco Jones, Why Not More? And this is track 2, Taste. Yeah, track 3, On Sight. And I didn't bring this up to get this— make this a whole let's play Coco Jones playlist, the music. I just thought what she said was so refreshing to hear because it was so honest, and you don't hear artists that honest.

Yeah.

Oh, I like the song.

And the thing about music, right, like, what do we know about Coco Jones?

Not a thing.

Not a thing outside of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, right? Donovan Mitchell, the Disney Channel stuff, and her— in her first big, big, big, big single that fucking took over everything. That's all we know. And I kind of feel like that's part of what she's addressing.

You know what happens? Because now, like I said, I mixed her up with Khloé, but with Coco Jones, her— prior to, uh, Bel Air and all of that, her going viral with the covers is what introduced people to her. The downside to that is you're covering songs that are already existing, so it's not you. So like she said, yeah, I could sing, but it's like, if she had a single that put her on the map right then and there. People would kind of attach to that. All right, we know a little bit about you. If you're doing cover songs, you— it's a song we already know, so all you just showing is you can sing. It's not your, um, not your words, not your— yeah, you get what I'm saying? And then that makes people hard to identify with who you are.

And to your point, and then when you follow up covers with your music and it sounds like older woman music Yeah, there's a younger person with a strong, unique vocal, but the music sounds a lot older.

See, what this all actually says to me, that now that we're talking it through a little bit, is the departure of A&R and true artist development and production at a record label. Because this model of her is the model of R&B songstresses that we grew up with from the '50s, Motown, all that shit through now.

Yeah.

Whereas now the artist is more— it's more dependent for them kind of to be their own brand and do their own marketing and have their own shit. That's kind of the model. Labels don't really do as much A&R and production and artist development. You're kind of expected to come in with a fan base, which is—

and then we come and attach to you and expect it to come, come in and know what your brand it is, correct?

And that's what it sounds like. She didn't have—

you know what I'm saying?

And now you're— you had the fans, you had followers, because you know sometimes they just looking at numbers.

Yes.

But it wasn't a specific brand, right? So without that, now we go and the label go grab you, what are we attached to?

Also, you bring up the point about these A&Rs and, and development, right? I'm gonna— I'm gonna include in that— I'm gonna include producers and songwriters Producer.

Both.

She needs a producer, someone to come in and produce her.

Yes.

Not just give a song, not just a song reference, or just a hot beat. You— not, not just the song we're creating. You need production from, from somebody that knows how to do that.

And, and that isn't just production, it's like sitting down and just kind of kicking it with you for a while knowing who you are as a person, what's important to you, what you like, what you don't like, but all that life and musically, all of that's kind of— it is.

But not if you're not— not if you are not telling that producer what those things are. Like she said, I don't have a problem with knowing who I am, uh, as far as my character and my morals and my principles. But when we get into the song, there's something that's not connecting for me. Sit with somebody and and speak to them.

Who gives a fuck?

Who?

Yeah, you go about your likes, your dislikes, where you want to go, your first breakup, your happiness in your relationship. You just need to do— give somebody a full download that knows how to produce. If she did that with Jermaine Dupri, he wouldn't let you come back with whatever, with whatever you had before. And I don't say put Coco Jones with Jermaine Dupri. I'd say get her with like, like, uh, K1.

Okay, okay.

Some of the younger girls with a younger sound, not just in, uh, the beat but the vocals, go get with a fucking Mooney Long, a Money Long. Go get with people that can listen to you, hear you, and then go put it in a song in a way that will connect with the people that you looking to connect to. It sound like she just with the song just with some people that's bringing in songs.

Yeah, she got producers on here. Like, Stargate's on here, Cardiac. There's a bunch of people that we love on this album.

Yeah, but that's—

see, that, that says to me that there's money behind her.

Yes, right. That was—

that don't say to me that those people are tasked with producing her.

Agreed. Yeah, no, it sounds like they got songs from songwriting camps, essentially.

She can sing. Yeah, we'll go get the song, we'll go get the beat over here, right? Give it to you, and— or even if you write some of your stuff, but it's not like Joe was saying, somebody's sitting down figuring out who you are and let's put that out there.

And some of this goes back to analytics shit, you know what I'm saying? The label's probably like, this songwriter wrote XYZ and they sold XYZ copies, this is the producer that did XYZ and XYZ, and if we put it with you and get this mixer, then it'll be a successful product, as opposed to like building real rapport.

And the other thing is finding out what she wants. Like, what is— what is success to her mean?

That too.

Like, what are you here for? What are you trying to get? Because the label's idea of success and yours could be two totally different things. Label happy as shit because you did this right here. You like, yo, my music's not connecting, right?

See, like, this was her single and it worked, but this is an older sounding bop, which I think is okay, by the way. Like, I think you could do the older Man, get this shit to Baby Rose.

But it worked.

But the problem is you just got—

she got to lean into that though.

This is the problem. And I used to always say this when like I used to have fights with my production company about the record they wanted me to do versus whatever record I wanted to do, right? And they would be like, Joe, just give it a shot. Just give it a shot. Give this record a shot. And I'm like, it's not as simple as just giving it a shot. Because what if it works, right?

Yeah, then I'm stuck to that now.

I don't have an audience for who I am, right? I don't have an audience for what I want to do, and I won't get one. They don't even know the type of song I want to make because this one worked, it worked, right? And if this one worked, I can't come back right behind it and be me because now one— when one works, we are now in the business of getting shit gotta work.

Now that also does get really complicated because sometimes artists can be a little too closed off to ideas and pigeonholed, where maybe they're like, I don't like guitars in the beat, or something. It's like, that has nothing to do with the beat, you know what I'm saying? Like, you have to be open-minded, but you also have to— you're right in not pigeonholing yourself into something that you can't deliver over and over again because you don't really like it. But you also have to be open to having producers steer you. Yeah, you know what I mean? So it's a really delicate balance.

Yeah.

And the thing is, you could like some shit that's not you, right? Like, I'm not saying— like, she might have liked this record, but now when I listen to what she's saying, I just don't know if this record was authentic to her. I don't know how many relationships you've been in, how many breakups you've been in, how many— like, this record sound like somebody, a lady that has been put through the relationship gamut. So I don't know. I think, I think a really important part of artistry is being true to yourself, uh, which I guess comes easy when you know what that means.

Yeah.

If I'm Coco Jones or anybody, any other artist out there struggling with that, before you need to be heard and before you start putting records out and mixtapes or EPs, go figure that out first.

Or be willing to be a character, because that's another option too. There's plenty of artists that just, hey, I'm whoever, Billie Eilish the human being, but when I'm Billie Eilish the singer, I'm making weird dark music about about whatever, right?

Or whoever you may be.

Like, it may not be— they don't necessarily have to coexist. Yeah, everything doesn't have to be autobiographical.

Yeah, that's probably just— is not gonna go for her because her voice, there's so much texture to her voice that her team or the people behind her have to figure out the story that her instrument is already telling, which is probably why they keep trying to give her these older ladies songs, right? Because her voice has this, this feel to it where it seems like that's the story it should be telling, and we don't necessarily know that.

That might not be her story.

Coco Jones, we love you up here.

We do.

We absolutely love you up here. I'm gonna, I'm gonna play, uh, I'm gonna play this fucking Suave mashup of yours that I love because this is the, this is the vibe that you should be on. Oh, hey, what happened?

She went viral singing the ring last year, remember? Remember? It started raining in her live performance. That bitch sung it like a music video. It's a bad bitch.

I'm curious what the songs that she was covering were that kind of blew her up in the first place. Were they older sounding or were they younger sounding? Because that might have something to do with it too. Maybe she was always attracted to older soul kind of shit.

Yeah, but does that mean that's what you should produce?

No, maybe, but maybe not.

I wish her the best. I think she'll get it together too.

I think so too.

Immensely talented.

She's too talented.

Let me stop, because I'll get to fucking gyrating and shit. That's my song. I love that song. Pause for gyrating.

She did, um, she did Pick Up Your Feelings, Damage, Go Crazy, Back to Sleep, Best Part, Heartbreak, Anniversary, Can We Talk, Walk, Prototype, Leave the Door Open, Get You.

Who?

Yeah, those are her—

her— again, how do I see what you are if you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

And if people became fans of this, they don't know you, right?

It's not like all those things have a common thread.

Exactly, they're all over the place. So that's what makes it— makes it harder.

Yeah.

Um, what else, what else, what else, what else is going on out there? Uh, Godfather of Harlem, uh, 2-hour series finale.

I have completely forgotten about that show.

Well, because they shoot every other 4 years. Oh, okay, that, that's why. So, but they—

new season started?

No, the season is over. That's— it was all types of complications. They, they remember, they came, they came—

2-hour series finale.

Yes, the series is essentially over. However, Paramount or MGM, whatever— it is MGM. MGM purchased one more episode to wrap up the entire series.

Oh, I like that.

I like it too. I think it's a great idea. I think more of it's basically a movie.

They basically giving us a—

I mean, yeah, you can call it— you could call it that.

Oh yeah, I like that.

I like 2-hour movie is the series finale. Uh, no word of when that is coming, but I just think that's a dope idea.

Very fire.

And get it out the way.

Yep. And we ain't got to drag it out out, give it to you in one clip, and that'd be the end of it.

That I Will Find You shit is pretty fire, by the way.

I'ma lock in.

It's, it's good so far.

Yeah, I'll be cutting it on and then doing shit and not paying attention, and then next thing I gotta stop it.

So I got some heavy hitters in that shit.

Yeah, I'm on episode 3 and it's good.

You're in there, you locked in.

You know, it's really good. Yeah, I'll finish it in a couple.

Check it out.

Um, let's see, what else, what else, what else, what What else?

I'm kind of shaken and shocked.

Why, bro?

What's up?

Swift?

Oh no, we'll, we'll get to the— as a Swiftie, I, I, I— that's a whole other thing.

Got it.

But Lil Wayne didn't show up to his first, uh, tour date. Oh man, if there was just some way to—

did you have tickets? Oh yeah, you were going to Maine?

Yeah, that's where you've seen—

that one threw me, that That one threw me.

Why?

Maine. Oh, just—

I'm not—

nothing against Maine, but it's just like, if you go no-show somewhere, that's probably the place to do it. You ain't gonna no-show in Madison Square Garden.

No, you're not gonna do that. He's on tour, uh, Carter Classics, I think the name of the tour is. It's him, 2 Chainz, and Game.

Oh shit.

But there's— Game and 2 Chainz are splitting dates.

Got it.

Okay, you know. But, um, yeah, they just announced after like 11-something he's not They're coming.

Dang, what?

On the first night of your tour? That's what's crazy to me. Like, you do that on night one, and it's also after a string—

and I love Lil Wayne, huge Lil Wayne fan. It's just there's been this wave of like, I'm being wrongfully treated in the industry. I don't get the big events, I don't get the Super Bowl, I don't get the this, I don't get the awards, I don't get the credit. And a lot of the people who said, we love you but dot dot dot, This was the dot, dot, dot. Yeah, it was the shit like this happens.

No, we heard shit about the Grammys where it's like, yo, you don't show up for rehearsal, and you know, it's just like we can't really depend— can't bank on you, bro.

Yeah, can't bank on you.

Yeah.

What do you think, Joe? 10 more seconds before I come in with a cape for Wayne.

Oh really? Is it the cape that you left in the closet for Jay Electronica?

Mark, I'm never caping for Jay Electronica.

Well, you should.

And the funny about the Wayne shit is you missed that show but you showed up the next night at the white party at Michael Rubin's.

Yes.

What?

That's awkward. That's awkward.

We're not missing the white party now. Some talented people in that room.

There were, there were a lot of networking for sure.

A lot of dog niggas cancel concerts every day.

They cancel shows. We talking about a— you're, you're head— you're on— this is like a 30-city tour.

People cancel shows when they on tour. Freeze.

No, they do that. Ticket sales, you know, they do all that type of shit.

Somebody might have came to him, was like— first of all, you said I'm shocked that Maine was the first one. Yeah, not me.

Me either.

Yeah, really?

Yeah, routing-wise, you got to, you got to sweep the country on some level. Of course, but you start there and move your way down. Maine is a— I don't know what kind of, uh, Wayne market there is out there, but I'm sure Wayne has something logistically. It would make sense to to— you're not gonna start in the middle of Chicago or something.

Like, but Joe, in all seriousness, you did say just a couple weeks ago how unprofessional it was and fucked up it is to just ghost. It's not that he just— it's not that he canceled. People cancel. Life happens.

They issue something ahead of time.

Yeah, you can issue a statement. You can go on Instagram even and say, hey, sorry, and just make up anything.

I got a party to get to tomorrow.

Unforeseen circumstances, right? Something.

But I'm not against against someone not handling that the right way once. Like, now if this is a repeated behavior for Wayne on tour, I'm gonna come in here and kill him. My point with Jay Electronica wasn't that it happened once. Who cares? Shit happens. The point is that now it looks like there's a pattern and there's a behavior that you're ignoring, and now you jamming people up. If you did that for the last 5 cities and now Like, it's— that's starting to become a thing. But I'm not mad at Wayne missing one. Like, somebody might have came in, yo, the ticket sales ain't where we wanted to be. And on the low, on the low, on the low, don't tell nobody that these talks happen, but they be like, it's Maine. Like, that was said. Yeah, that was said. Yo, we can miss one, Maine. We'll jump back in, it won't be that much.

Like, if you going to miss one, Maine would probably be the one I would miss if I was on thing. But I just hate for the fans, and people are literally saying I drove 6 hours to see this.

Well Well, he immediately announced a makeup date. Okay, like immediately. It didn't linger. He said, hey, I'm making this date up, July 28th, or whatever the date is. And like, the white party was the next day, but he booked this main shit. Most of them white party niggas flew there on a private jet or the helicopter anyway. He could have got here, like he could have made it there. I'm not going to correlate.

No, no, no, I wasn't saying you skipped—

that's just coincidence. That, that's just when a coincidence line up here.

I wasn't saying canceling the main or the party.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. That's God being good, cuz that was a fan. I know you ain't sick.

No, that's, that's Allah being great.

That cape is silk, made out of silk, the finest threads, baby.

I'm saying that is Allah's greatness. Main is canceled and I got this Fanatics party the next day.

About to be lit.

I'm going. Sound like a weekend to me. Here come the internet, want to kill for no— the internet be bored, yo. Move. You wasn't going to Maine anyway.

I was driving.

No, you wasn't. You was not. Damn, that's your fault for driving to Wayne, Joe.

That's fair.

When's the new date? Is it far away?

The end of the month.

It's the end of the month.

That bad?

I'll catch him in September.

Yeah, July 28th.

Yeah, listen, fucking, uh, I keep seeing people say that Usher and Chris Brown shit is 4 hours. I ain't gonna die.

I'll let you know.

That's a bit.

I'll be walking out on the last record when the fireworks is going on.

I would— I love the Kendrick Scissors show. Was too long for me. Now it was a little cold too, but it was chilly. Yeah, that didn't— that added another layer of difficulty. But like in general, like a long-ass show, like about the end, I don't care how I love the song, how much I love the artist. Like, hour 3, I'm looking at my watch.

I'm cool, I'm ready, I'm in that shit. I'll be right there.

Um, also speaking of Chris Brown, he was, uh, the verdict is in. He's hit with a $13 million verdict in his housekeeper, housekeeper dog attack trial. Uh, this is his housekeeper was mauled by a 200-pound dog while working at the Stars California home in 2020.

Uh, the funny shit about that is you lucky you ain't had no money when Brooklyn was around, boy.

They tried it.

I bet they did.

No, they tried. They sued me.

Rest in peace.

They did?

Yeah, I didn't know that.

I got sued. Sin wanted to bring, uh, a nail tech to the house that she didn't know. That's a trend with these girls on Instagram. Hey, if there's a nail tech around, if somebody know how to do a face beat, please come to my home with me, my kids, everybody. Where everybody is, come here.

Know my location.

Yo, bitches never needed the internet. But anyways, she says, yo, I need a nail tech. Nail tech comes over, big-ass dog. We tell her, stay away from dogs, stay away from dogs, stay away from dogs. They never listen.

That's what Chris Brown was saying in that case.

You go right by the dog, the dog snaps at you. And now she tried to get— what'd she try to get, like $20 grand from me? I think we knocked it down to $4,000 or $3,500 or something like that.

That.

Oh shit. Yeah, but now Chris Brown, the line that he went into the trial with, from what I read, nobody on the jury gave a fuck about what he was talking about. It was like, yo, these are not my— he said, these are not my dogs, these are the security's dogs. My security that stands outside, and we be having stalkers and shit, so the dogs are here to protect against, but they not mine.

Like, the dogs is like Russian guard dog type pipes.

Oh shit.

But he said, and they also did tell the housekeepers, do not go outside without security, right? Because the dogs is out there, right? And they gonna jump on your ass.

And they're guard dogs.

Yeah.

And you're not from here. Damn. But you still owe $13 million. Did she get hurt real bad? Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, they had to take, uh, they had to do the Mona. They take parts of fucking ass. Take some shit arm and put it over here. Goddamn. No, but her face was really funny.

Yeah, 13 million is about right.

Meanwhile, I was just watching them detective motherfucking army dogs that could like walk crime walls and shit, and they really kill everybody that, that comes to the house. I think it's a good investment.

I mean, they might maul the fucking grasskeeper, but that's what I'd be worried about.

They also kill people that's trying to come get you.

And I've been, I've been attacked by enough dogs.

They won't maul you.

Just everybody always tells me that, and then the dogs maul me.

It's Parks.

What's the dog's name?

Don't worry about it, he don't bite, he don't bite.

My hip still has huge chunks missing out of it.

I still got to watch videos of this damn dog for 4 hours. It's called the Mowawa. I can't pronounce it, but this nigga can climb up walls. This motherfucker can send an email email. This nigga so talented. You know what I'm talking about? Say the funny word, it's hard to pronounce.

Oh, oh, that— oh, you had to get rid of that dog.

That motherfucker, they motherfucker, they bilingual.

Why these humans that have like, uh, that have the urge to go get the exotic dog that's forbidden in like areas where people— these niggas be online, oh, my $30,000 dog, this dog used to kill people in Egypt, but I got him here.

But I got him right here.

Don't come, don't come near him, he ain't used to people yet. We were having—

crazy.

I appreciate that person then the, yo, he don't bite, yo, don't worry about him, he just loud, he just big, he just weigh 300 lbs, but he all right.

Yeah, just don't make no sudden moves, just everything right there.

Yeah, y'all, it's called the Belgian Malinois. That's what it's called, a Belgian Malinois.

It's called the stay the fuck away from ice.

I'm telling y'all, I'm telling you, we're having a conversation, we're having a regular corny old would you rather. Bear, uh, shark.

Oh, the bear.

Oh, I was like, the wrong dog I will take above any of them animals.

Yeah.

Back to the sharks, y'all out there. Jones Beach, Long Island Beach, they already put the note out. I'mma tell you in case you listening, they have spotted sharks again.

The meme came the whole time.

No, no, no, no, it's been about maybe 3, 4 years of this every summer now. So y'all go out there and play in them waters if y'all want to. I saw a story and the headline— the headline was meant to grab your attention— was like, uh, lady mauled and eaten alive by alligator as her boyfriend— yeah, as her boyfriend tries to rip her from the mouth of the huge beast. And so I'm reading that, I'm like, oh my God, I can't imagine, how does this happen? I begin to read like Mark suggested. Uh, they say the white people went to the swamp.

Oh, okay, uh, got it.

Problem was swimming in the swamp. Oh, a few seconds, and they're not a swamp but some lake where all of the alligators are. Yeah, they said 20 seconds, uh, A few minutes earlier, they were just making jokes about being on look— on lookout for the air bubbles, bro. Uh, and they were walking, they were able to stand in this when this alligator jumped up and, and clamped on, uh, Shorty Doo-Wop and do what alligators do, right?

Yeah, every time they get the opportunity, they do that.

Which led to my baby asking me if I think that alligators are in the Hudson.

No, they're not.

No.

No, listen to humans thinking y'all know how y'all know that. And then because the global warming— because they shouldn't be there, right? Climate. That's the same thing I said at first. They're not in there, not a one.

Shit is so—

wouldn't last very long if there was.

Never know. They're cold blooded.

They would die in the wintertime very quickly. So there could be one that someone released today that would last through August, maybe. Baby, but probably not once it get cold. A shark or some shit will probably eat it.

Hmm.

But we do think that there's something under there that—

I mean, I wouldn't get in there.

This pollution, water, and you tell your friend, hey, watch out for the air bubbles, and they go, you bet, right? Like, what the fuck is wrong?

I'm not getting in no pond in Florida.

A Floridian is so used to seeing an alligator. Cool, but you still know you can't beat this nigga, right?

Well, them shits come up off the— like, fuckers be having alligators in their backyard and they pool. That's why out there in Florida they got to have the tents over the, uh, the backyard.

That's what alligator got to catch me at, in my yard, baby. I ain't going in the swamp.

I wouldn't just walk out, out there by that water.

I was giving so many props to, to, to the boyfriend because, wow, you, you seen the alligator attacking your queen and you went to help. You brave, boy.

You hear real one.

You hear real You did that.

She a real one.

I ain't going to hold—

yeah, that's a lot.

Yeah, alligator.

Damn.

The thing is, you can—

you not— you not— you not opening his mouth like once.

No chance she'd afford to lose both parents in the same instant.

Not to me. Funeral stuff, if we both go, somebody— like, they don't know that you don't want to work with them.

The only ill part is if you don't help and they survive. Oh, cuz now you—

no, no, I prayed.

No luck on that.

The power of prayer. I pray That's why you survived. I held it down.

You're welcome.

Yeah, that was me. That's me and my guy.

Yo, speaking of, you didn't even tell us how it went, your, uh, your beach day with the, uh, with family. Yeah.

Oh yeah, oh, it was great.

Oh yeah, yeah, we was—

what was in them? That shit.

Yeah, because they searched the coolers and shit, so you can't take bottles.

Guys, Ice went to the beach with his girl and his daughter's mom, for the people that weren't here. What we talking about. Oh, and the kids, and all the kids.

Oh yes, yes, here you go. No, no, it went great. We had a great time. Um, you know, they— like I told y'all before, we, we all one unit. Um, they get along great. So they—

I love the way you've managed to blend this.

There's no nothing. Like, everything was fine. I couldn't have had a better day. We, we went— we all went out to dinner, we kicked it.

It just—

all right, but tell me some of the funny stuff that happened.

It really wasn't nothing, bro. I promise you, it was, it was just a regular day. We just hung out.

So you, your baby mom, and your girl are on the beach with liquor and nothing funny happened?

No.

All right, well tell me about some of the, um, some of the almost funny things that could happen.

I get it, but I promise y'all it's not what y'all are thinking. It was just a regular— everybody just chilling and had a good time.

Baby mom bring her nigga or No. Okay.

Is that welcomed?

No.

No.

All right, well tell me about some of the—

Wait a minute. That's interesting.

Wait, how is that interesting?

She can't bring a dude?

No, she can't bring a dude. Well, is that a shock?

No, no, she— listen, if she was—

we'll meet y'all there.

If she was in love, you wouldn't have a problem with her bringing her guy?

If she was in love, I met the dude, all that type of situation, you got that cool? No, not event. A vet, not a vet.

Because if she's better than—

yes, I try.

That's the person she chose.

That's what I keep— like I explained to the fellas before, when it's about when people be saying shit like, oh, she can't have nobody around my kids, etc., you can't control that. No, you have to trust the person that you have a child with and trust their judgment right now. If something ever goes wrong, that's when you get to step in or whatever. But you can't control who's around your child if you're not with the mother. You want to control that, you stay mom.

That's the—

you can get your hoes with you, correct?

But I don't— I'm like, again, we not on none of that, you know, poke my chest out. I'm trying to be like— it's nothing, it's nothing like that. If she did have a dude that she was in love with, we— that wouldn't have been our first time meeting, right? That's all I'm saying.

Got it.

So by that point, like, that wasn't her and my girl's first time meeting, right? So if we're at that point, for sure. But you're not bringing nobody, oh, I'm going to introduce you to this person. No, that's not—

all right, tell me about some of the funny things you was thinking.

Oh my God, fam, I'm not you. I wasn't thinking.

All right, audience, y'all be trying to fuck this nigga.

Oh my—

hey, listen, I don't know what you want. I don't know what you want. I don't know what you want. I keep telling y'all I live a regular fucking life.

No, you fucking don't. I can't go to the beach with my girl, my—

it's not a regular life. That's not regular.

It's not a regular life, shit.

It is if y'all are all mature.

It's—

they never all mature. Well, then that's y'all then.

That ain't regular. That's very—

we all mature.

It's regular.

We're all mature. We planning family trips and shit. We are all mature. We are all— everybody's on the same page. We got one goal in mind, and it's the kids.

That's beautiful.

What time did the kids go to bed?

9:30, 10:00.

Don't stop your love. Something like that. Don't stop your love.

Yeah, that's it.

Then what happened?

Y'all go out for drinks after that?

No.

Perfect night would have been a threesome.

No, it wouldn't have been a perfect night. That— now you fucking your night. Now you fucking everything up.

Did either one of them know how to get Yeah, my baby, we all—

me and my baby daddy is all cool. We can't—

you should—

got it.

You do the other thing.

All right, let me see you niggas.

Okay, um, um, stop it. All right, tell me about— huh?

There's nothing to squeeze.

You think there's nothing there? There's nothing there.

The stole is—

there's nothing there, bro. I promise you, there's nothing there. It was It was a great time. We all had a blast. My daughter did ask, uh, can Mommy spend the night? So she asked her mother, can you spend the night at the house with us? And she was like, girl, you with your daddy for the next 2 days. Mommy, I got stuff to do. And dropped her off at home, and that was it.

Okay, we've done our best.

Yeah, sorry, I tell y'all I'm boring, but y'all don't believe me.

Even that was enough to make like a great bit, but he just dropped it. He just, uh, hey, at the end, he take the greatest— he take some shit that could have been Eddie Murphy raw material and say, even then, but my daughter said nope. I said nope, she's with you for the day. I went home, but I'm a great dad. All right, ladies and gentlemen, he's too positive. We need more positivity. Talk about the music He is racking up the interesting points.

Some of y'all should grow up.

I'm asking you because of Taylor Swift.

Ice is our Taylor Swift, uh, yes, she corresponded.

If you got married, or when you get married, would you invite her?

Absolutely, for sure.

She's 1,000% would be there.

Wow, that's powerful. The reason I asked is because Taylor Swift, as y'all know, big, big wedding deal.

Deal.

Sure.

She invited the New York Knicks starting five. Did y'all see this?

No, it's in the Garden.

I love a good Mark segment. Come on. Yeah, fire, fire. Go ahead.

Yo, so I was sitting there thinking, like, did she only do it because it's at the Garden? Oh, she's a Knicks fan.

She's a Knicks fan, but she don't know them like that.

So she invited Mariska Hargraves. Like, she invited a few of the Garden regulars.

Yeah, but I was just thinking, like, who— inviting people you don't know that well to your wedding is lot, because it's probably a friend who didn't get invited who might be mad as shit that like Karl-Anthony Towns got invited.

I don't think there's a friend that didn't get invited at the Garden. Yeah, where halfway they close off fucking the entire—

you didn't make the cut.

And then just because she saw a couple people pissed off, they went and donated $27 million to some shit. Like, stop playing with the Swifties. Stop playing. I'm a Swifty on the low.

Are you?

For sure. For sure, 100%. Taylor is the only musician brave enough to and powerful enough with the leverage to say what needs to be said against these fucking streamers, these Spotifys. Like, she's the only one that utilizes her voice and action happens behind it. I love that. She's the only one tough enough to actually say something against all that Trump shit. Yeah, she spoke up when nobody did. Like, there's a few areas—

the fight she took to the labels and all of that.

Like, I, I fuck I do, I do.

She uses her power for music.

She's good. Yeah, that's how I feel.

Go back and listen to Folklore. I think you might like that one.

I tried. My sister's a Swiftie. I tried. I've tried over and over again. I can't do it.

Can't do it.

I mean, it's not bad.

I just—

it's not for me. It's not for you.

Yeah, but who she is and what she represents, she's her.

She used her power for good, like, unlike, you know.

Yeah, that's how it seems to me. Now, if she's a total bitch behind the scenes, I haven't heard those stories. But even that, for her to have been around this long and you have not heard heard one of those stories. It's a lot, it's a lot.

It's motherfuckers that every, every tour they be coming out like the, the, the truck drivers who drive the equipment and like every person who played any part to this tour gets a stupid super bonus. Like she just, she just comes off as a real genuine generous person. I don't know her, I'm sorry, just what I hear and see.

That being said, I'm glad I will not be in the city for her marriage. Cuz that seems like it's about to be a shit show.

Damn, that shit started Friday at 1:00. They shut it down and it's going all weekend. Come on, dog. I'm cool, I'm cool.

I hope they stay together. That's a lot for that shit not to work out.

No, it ain't.

When you up like that— no, it's not, it's not a lot. It's a drop in the bucket.

I don't mean money, I mean like the production of it.

It's— she's a production. Everything she does is a production.

Travis Kelce signed whatever he we needed to sign.

That's a fact.

He signed it. There's no worry if this goes awry.

Yeah, everything will be fine.

Everything is fine. Listen, you keep your little 12— what do you make, $12 million? How much? $14 million.

Go buy yourself something nice.

You keep your feet, your feet for money.

I don't want nothing.

You play football?

What are you playing?

I'm gonna hold on to my music.

Oh, American football.

That's different.

Oh, that's— so you don't play football?

Right.

You—

oh, okay.

Well, that's fine. I'm glad you keep, keep yourself busy. Glad you're doing something.

Pursuing passions.

Passion project.

Ooh.

Oh man, shout out to Taylor Swift. Uh, hopefully, hopefully that wedding goes well.

Word.

I hope so. Bankrolls on the table.

Joe, anybody be surprised that they get a wedding invitation from you?

Surprised?

Yeah, like she's inviting like the New York Knicks star. Are there people who like you don't know that well but you're still going to invite just to have like a presence there?

Me?

Yeah.

Or a morning, you gotta do a speech.

How about you?

Oh, for sure, you gotta do a speech.

Comedy set, either one.

Yeah, tomato, tomato.

Exactly.

Say yes. I know we joking around and shit, but you don't think I would ever let you like do it, give a speech somewhere?

I mean, honestly, it would be a tearjerker and it would be funny. And honestly, Sade could make the decision and she would love it.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, because the dude don't decide.

I was like, you not— you going to have a say in this.

If she wants to hear some jokes, and if not, then we'll skip the don't call me white girl 15-minute set.

Well, she'll be too busy to hear jokes. She'll be too busy that night. Yeah, just checking up on the bartenders.

Oh, see, see, keep playing.

Still here.

Keep playing.

I was scared to laugh.

Hey, hey, hey, Mona, I'mma have a little something to keep her preoccupied. Hey babe, give me a piña colada. It's a joke.

It's okay.

Bake rolls on the table.

You better sing, you better sing, you better sing. Open that laptop.

Why does she call when she's Short on cash, can't sleep through the night.

You heard it.

I ain't listening to y'all, ain't paying no mind. Trying to get me in trouble.

3 people are going to give you— are going to give a speech at your— or a toast. That is the one thing you do get to decide, both of y'all.

Who, who would give the—

who, who gives the toast for you? Who, who's going to be your people? Um, I'm sure your brother.

Yeah, I was about to say my brother.

Whoever could show up to see you. No, he better Whoever can show up to City Hall the fastest.

Like I said, one—

come on now, we wait. We need a witness. We need a witness. Where are you?

Oh, fuck, it's freeze.

Weddings are so fun. I can't wait to y'all—

wedding, that's going to be a great time.

I love weddings.

Yeah, same.

Word. It's so fun.

What do you love about weddings?

The whole thing, the process, the beginning where you cry when they watch the part and they tongue each other down, and the reception. And it depends on if it's a good ghetto one, because you know, they get the— if they walk in with the bounce, you know that thing gonna jump, you know.

I love a real good wedding, like that's enjoyable, but I think I love a bad wedding more.

Oh my gosh, like a train wreck.

Yeah.

Oh my God, well y'all run out a chicken and shit before the party over.

I'm talking about the wedding where you like, these two don't even have no business getting married.

I don't think it's the couple.

No, I'm talking about everything. That family don't need to be in the same building as this family. It's all a train wreck.

I like to see a good scuffle. Yeah, or at least a near scuffle. Little dust up, little dust up, little dust up. Nothing to ruin the whole thing, just enough, just enough. Yeah, somebody need to be taken outside.

When they say, uh, speak if you want to speak your piece—

we ain't do that in my way.

And it's quiet, but if somebody make a little rumbling, the baby mom or somebody make a little— you can hear a little furniture moving at that part. I love that. Yeah, I love—

you a fool if you ask that shit in 2026.

I love weddings where they do stupid shit like dance routines and shit. Oh my God, yes.

No, I'm not doing none of that head ass shit.

If she wants you to dance, you going to dance. Bankhead bounce down here, bald head shining.

I'll be at the bar.

I, I We know, right?

Sounds good.

He's trying to convince himself.

Yeah, right.

He has to say so.

Parks Park Bar was lit. Parks Park Bar was lit at his wedding, yo. It was.

What year did you get married, Parks?

2021.

Okay, that pandemic money. Yeah, see you playboy.

Nah, this shit was lit. That probably was probably the best wedding I've been been to?

Actually, I could do a part about some of the worst weddings I've been to, but they be listening.

That's the problem.

People know you.

Hey, you talking about me?

One of the couples I really love and support—

are they still together?

Yeah.

Oh, that's good then.

Childhood sweethearts.

What made it so bad?

Uh, it was a destination wedding.

Oh God.

And it wasn't good or really wasn't so it wasn't so organized.

Never is.

Like where they were having the wedding versus where everybody was staying, the shuttles, how they was transporting people, the wait— the waiting area while they weren't ready. Like you was waiting 2 hours and then, then, hey, come over here for cocktails while we set up the— it was just an absolute—

one of them.

Yeah, it was all over the place. We loved the 2 people that were doing it, but I was there with my mom judging say anything.

But it wasn't— it wasn't ghetto though.

No, no, it wasn't ghetto. Okay, it was just not organized.

I like the ghetto shit. I like the ghetto shit.

Only time it's bad is when it's like it's too hot in there or it's too much of a gap waiting on the food. Like, that's when it gets to like, okay, we're getting up out of here, you know? It got to be just ghetto enough, like fun to watch, record, group message, but you still get these little pieces of steak or fish.

Yellow, you got the cousin over there who can't handle his look Oh yeah, yeah.

3 weddings I probably had the most fun at, just off recent memory, was Parks. Zaire's wedding was absolutely amazing until they started all that fucking frat sororities. All right, you got it. And, um, and, uh, and Safaree.

Oh, I forgot Safaree got married.

And Safaree, that shit was beautiful. He married Erica.

Oh, Erica Mena.

Yeah, that was a real Yeah, ask my sister. Anyway, nope. Yeah, no, it was a beautiful wedding. It was a beautiful wedding.

Somebody got to fill me in.

Yeah, don't worry about it.

This boy's a G. This nigga funny. Oh man. Anywho, I'm the child left behind. All right, man, it takes me a little while.

I don't have anything else that's super important. Fourth of July plans, all of you?

Going to see the family, man. We're gonna turn up, man.

Trying to stay cool.

Parks just gave me a bunch of barbecue instructions. I'm about to just barbecue a bunch of shit even if nobody comes over.

Yeah, Parks sent me this shit I need to get too.

Yeah, I ordered this shit, it's getting delivered right now. I don't even know if my wife's gonna be there. I'm just cooking. Fuck it.

Yeah, pray for me, y'all. All. Pray for me.

That book is getting written, right?

Like, yo, yo, I need y'all prayers.

What you got? What you got?

Supposed to be going to Atlantic City this weekend.

Uh, you in trouble. Oh, he got you jammed up.

You fucked. To gamble?

Oh no, he gambling all right.

Gamble with his life.

Facts.

So, chicken bones.

Who you going with though?

My lady and her family.

Okay, no kids.

Oh, that's beautiful.

Do you like them?

I love them.

Okay.

Are you outside or you guys chose—

No, we outside.

Oh, be safe in this lovely city of Atlantic City, which we love.

We do, cuz you know what's up for us.

Oh, I know what I'm saying.

That's the gamble. Yeah, you better stay in.

You better get the mayor's phone number just in case.

I don't know, it could go either way.

That's a good point.

I'm working, but I'm super excited cuz I've I've never been to New Orleans.

Oh my God, man, you are gonna absolutely love New Orleans.

I'm so excited. And then even my work is like fun. It's like a block party.

It's gonna be lit.

Oh, I'm excited. I've only been to Baton Rouge. The only thing I'm a little—

it's like I want to try socks now, boy.

Yeah, I want to try so much of the food, but I know a lot of it got, you know, has pork in it or whatever. So I just want to get like a good gumbo.

No, there's a lot of—

no, there's a lot without it.

You can find whatever you need.

They'll take this— pause— they'll take the sausage out for you.

Yeah, you can just pick around the sausage and the gumbo, it's fine.

I'm excited. Beignets, all that. Like, I am so ready.

Give me a good shrimp po' boy.

Oh, I can't wait. I'm so excited.

That's the best food.

Because Baton Rouge—

oh, you'll be there for Essence?

Um, yeah, basically. Like, yeah.

Are you interviewing people again?

No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm like, you know how when you gonna get the job job, so you get the job all back. I'm at Essence after party for next year. We shoot for Essence.

Listen, every, every party counts. Every party's mad, and every dollar counts.

And I'm too— I was so excited about New Orleans, period.

You have a great time.

I've been working— what's down? Shout out to all the people listening from there.

Parks love New Orleans.

What's down?

Anytime he get a couple free minutes alone, he run over.

Yeah, do you?

I gotta text you.

He like it out there.

What do y'all do? She—

yeah, she do too. All right, she go without me sometimes.

Eat, eat, eat, and drink. I don't care.

That's 3 eats and then drink.

That's the only tips I want.

That's the only thing I hate about New Orleans, bro. They don't stop. Like, that shit does not stop.

The spot with the crawfish, he keeps lying about my number. No, you have a different number every time we text you.

Facts.

I was trying to get your sneaker size for a minute.

Stop.

And as you text Leroy, when I bring all these boxes in here and I don't have one for you, do not yell at me.

Yeah, it's going to be a problem, nigga.

I tried.

You still—

what is your secret size?

I'm already done.

The boxes will be here next part.

Damn, that's fucked up, bro.

Listen, man, we hope y'all enjoy your Fourth of July weekend out there.

Don't put the fireworks in hand when you light them.

Oh, please, because we're coming in next week, one of y'all be done lost my finger.

Somebody gonna do it.

Somebody is gonna do it.

I'm not even— I don't even give the disclaimer no more.

Last year he still ain't—

yo, so don't eat everybody's food.

Facts.

Remember, if the cookout got motherfucking the frozen patties, it might not be the vibe. Shout out to all my Latin people on the West Side, in that West Side Highway Park right now. They be taking over all the parks, actually. Facts. What else is going on? I ain't doing shit, man. I'm on the grill. Something light, something regular, not too much, man. Staying out of the heat. That's it. Listen, keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we absolutely need each and every one of them. Until next time. I can't sleep through the night. Until next time, we bid you a due farewell. Adios, arrivederci, hasta la vista, au revoir, so long, goodbye. Or a simple head nod will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have.

Hey, wait a minute now.

Oh, what do you know?

Mona with a new number.

Another one.

Man, she's the worst, yo.

Another one.

Second number since I started.

Third.

Cat.

It's the third number.

I'm tired of them lying on me.

I can delete the other two though, right?

Yes.

It's one of those.

Okay, cool.

I, I want to know what other two would they— what are they?

I just deleted them, so I don't know.

Y'all hold it down out there, man. We love y'all. Hey, wait a minute now.

Local.

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute now. Shout out to everybody traveling. I am so overdue for a trip. Ish, you bitch, man. This nigga's in St. Martin with his feet in the sand. He got his fucking hairless ass in some water. Wow, man, I'm hating.

You miss—

I'm hating. I miss each and every one of y'all when y'all not here, man. Especially Ish. Y'all hold it down. Until the next time. Hey, hey, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute now.

No, Joe Budden! Ah, no, for Daddy. JBP, JBP, where would you be without the JBP?

You've never heard of Joe Budden?