Transcript of Episode 940 | "Good Kids"

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Down right now?

No, I'm just like mellow, great mood. I'm just chilling. I press the button.

I press the button.

Oh, oh shit. Yo, 10 years, it's always a surprise. 10 years and still— oh shit, we doing a podcast! Oh shit, we on! They can hear us! Oh man. All right, all right. What's up, y'all?

What's up, gang?

What's good?

Everybody feeling good after a, a nice long weekend? Father's Day.

Good Father's Day. Yes.

Oh yeah, it was Father's Day. Shout out to all the fathers out there. I had a good Father's Day.

I saw your picture.

I had a good Father's Day.

You had the crew out. You had the whole crew.

Generations. Tradition. Tradition. Yeah, we went over, uh, we had brunch at, uh, Blue on the Hudson. Shout out to everybody over there. Um, different from our Harlem spot we'd be going to that we didn't go to. More— a little more expensive. To. It's a little more expensive than just everybody getting grits and bacon and eggs. So that'll be the last time we do that.

It's Father's Day, man.

Yeah, but we had a good time. Then my son called me out, and Trey called me later. He's like, yo, if you making a move, hit me up, man. I was like, you know what, bring your little punk ass out so I could talk to you. And we went out for a little bit.

Oh yeah, did you go to the spot? Yeah, yeah, had a good time at the spot, man.

Hey, that was a good time. I forgot we went out.

We had a little pod trip.

Oh, look now, we had a pod trip. Field trip. A few people didn't show up. Word, word, word.

I was a little tired.

Yeah, I know you was tired. Ish was tired. Imani pump fake.

Yeah, what's up with that? Am I ain't go—

that's, that was, that was shocking because he's always down for the show.

He said his kids is coming up for the summer, so that was his very last night of freedom. So it wasn't so shocking.

Oh, you had to get some, uh, some shots up before.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, gotta get a couple reps up.

So it wasn't, it wasn't too shocking to me.

Nah, it was fun though. We had a good time.

We had a good time.

I'm glad y'all came.

Yeah, I like that spot.

I laughed all night.

I laughed.

Which part?

Everything.

All right, this is what I learned though. This is what I learned. Ice look like a mob boss when you see him outside.

That's a fact. That's a fact.

What?

Yeah, you did. Shades, chain, you know what I mean? VIP section.

Ice, if he never talked to nobody, and I don't know if he did. No, I'm saying, this is my point.

Yeah.

If he never said a word and you just seen him outside, he look like a killer. Oh yeah, he looks like a mob boss. Yeah, he knows the owners, got his shades on, know the promoters. Couple people coming in saying what up to him like he's somebody, you know what I mean? His lady with him looking like something. She know a couple people, so the girls come over.

Making all the friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So she come over being a girl's girl, and I'm looking at Ice, and I'm like, yo, when he don't talk, this nigga— and I said, holy shit.

It's the old school trick, and it worked again.

Ice looks amazing under the strip club lights.

Fuck!

I said, oh shit, it's the old school trick. Oldest trick in the book that they got me with. This nigga is crazy. In the strip club light, y'all know that's the old— do you know the trick?

Yes.

In the strip club lights, Ice looked like the illest nigga in the world. Yo, that's my man.

He did.

Only under the strip club lights though. You hear this nigga?

Maybe especially under the strip club lights.

Yeah, especially, especially, especially. Nah, use that nigga in there. I ain't gonna lie, we had a good time.

We did.

My man.

Yeah, I mean, how much money?

I met a girl, she said I'm just her type, so I had to give her a couple dollars.

She said I'm just her type. That is hilarious, yo. Yeah, no, she's the freak of the spot too.

How much money you throw?

Who's counting? Who's counting?

Couple dollars, that's all you threw.

It wasn't craziness. I'm on a budget.

It didn't look crazy. It was more than I threw, but it was more than we threw. But I threw a couple dollars too.

Now yours was same.

Yeah, Parks threw a couple dollars. Ice zelled somebody too. Yeah, I threw a little something.

He zelled Frank a little something. I ain't throwing nothing.

She throw some bullshit on some mom shit. I don't throw it here, ma. Here, missing piece, you throw it on that bitch.

You had to sell to get a fam, fam, fam. We had a good night, we had a good night, we had a good night, we had a good time, man. We never done that.

It was my birthday.

We need to do these team bonding trips. We do more often, I think.

We do.

That's dope.

Um, what else, what else, what else, uh, before we start? I owe Ish an apology. I owe you an apology. I slept on it.

I don't even know.

I slept on it.

On what?

The other day, the other part when I jumped in, uh minding you and Mark's business, talking about the backflip and you owing him money, and you cursed me out. You was right about that. That wasn't my business. That was on some rat shit. Like, and the reality is I was being self-centered because I wanted to see you do the backflip, but I shouldn't have said nothing about whatever you owe Mark and Mark getting it. That was corny shit. That was some corny nigga shit.

So I apologize.

Did I snitch?

I also wanted to see the backflip.

I didn't.

It just didn't concern me. It wasn't my business to jump in. And I do that a lot sometimes.

So— Sometimes.

And it's wrong. So I want to apologize.

You accept his apology? Yo, move along, my nigga.

OK. Oh no, that's just the beginning. How long you know me, man? Ish, come on. You know me, man. You supposed to stop like that? Now, lucky for me— Oh, I did find a bet that we made that did concern me. It's from a pod we did February 2024. They got the date where we bet that in 2 years— I said, uh, what's her name, Taylor Swift, would not be letting anybody get her pregnant. The rest of the room thought that she was really on Travis Kelce so they could see her popping a baby out in 2 years, and we shook on it. And it's taped. Now I ain't pressing you about the money because you my man, I love you regardless.

How much was the ticket?

Found it.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

All right, well, I gotta, I gotta go to the files. All right, man, I gotta go to the files. As of now, it's just hearsay. Got you. Later, I'll dig in there, see if I can find it for you. Hey, I don't want it, nigga. Come on, nigga. Yeah, come on, I'll do it. That—

yeah, take it right, take it right over the spot.

Hey, actually, I might need it, man. Hey, um, all right, come on, let's have it. Let's have a good time, man. Let's have a good time.

Let's have a good time.

Let's have a good time. Rainy Day vibe.

Yeah, let's go.

Here we go. Here we go. Hey, who been fucking with my soundboard? Why I got the chipmunk drop? Yeah, mic check, mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2, mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2. What's good out there? Always for the ladies, always for the ladies. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from. Big Jersey, big New York City, Connecticut, Boston. What's popping out All the entrepreneurs out there, shout out to the 9to5ers! Everybody on vacation, everybody home with the family.

Hey girl!

It's really been a long time, you know?

No! Jo-bye!

Shout out to the whole West Coast out there. Everybody in the Midwest, 40 and up, 40 and up, 40 and up.

Right quick, mic check, mic check, mic, mic, mic, mic.

Who is that? It's Mark Lamont Hill, pussy. I'm from the Webber Nitty era. It's the network.

There we go, Flip is on the way. Mona is here with us in spirit. What episode is this? 940. Welcome to episode— damn, these 900s is moving, ain't they? Welcome to episode 940 of the Joe Button Podcast. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, extremely happy to be here host, Joe Button. Uh, this episode is brought to you by, fueled by, powered by PrizePicks. PrizePicks gang, yo! All right, I'm here with a really amazing crew to my right. Flip is on the way, like I said. Uh, our good brother, Philly's finest, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building. Mark, how you doing, man?

I'm good, man.

Well rested How could you be?

I got a lot of stuff.

I heard about your schedule yesterday.

Oh, yesterday? What was yesterday? Oh, yesterday kicked my ass. Yeah, you're working for the Joe Budden Plantation, man. I did about— hey, hey, hey, yo, yo, I was there at 5 AM. I ain't get home about 1 AM.

That was a To the Top production.

No, it was great. It was, it was absolutely great. We had a good time. No, I'm good though. I got, uh, I was sick on Friday when I was here, but I got to rest. I got a little bit of rest. Yeah, I'm 100% now. I stayed out the rain. I flew to Chicago on Sunday, which was great. The Saint Sabina Church had a good time. Um, they shouted y'all out, by the way. They actually prayed for the Joe Budden Podcast when I got there.

We appreciate that. Thank you. We need every second of it. Yo, please.

It was dope.

Indeed.

I didn't get to do Father's Day, but I decided instead of, um, getting a shitty Father's Day, I, I called for a postponement.

Commitment.

So my Father's Day will be next week because you weren't here for Father's Day.

Yeah, I was gonna get back from Chicago at like 7 PM. That's gonna give me a necktie and like, oh yeah, and a slice of pizza. Yeah, and a slice of pizza. Like, nah, I want my whole shit next Sunday.

So that was smart.

Yeah, I hate to be the bearer of bad news. What do you think the whole shit is on Father's Day?

Brunch and a necktie. A steak.

Okay. Yeah, t-shirts, v-necks. Damn, I needed some new v-necks.

Yeah.

All right, all right, cool. Uh, our good brother Ish is here, Mr. Thousand Doors and Up. Ish, how you feeling, man?

What up though?

I'm good. Good, good, good. You sound enthused. Next to him, come on, stop playing with him, Mr. Kingpin himself, Mr. Take It Further, Big Freeze in the building.

Mr.

Kingpin. How was your birthday, man?

I knew Freeze was that nigga. He tapped me at one point in the spot. He was like, yo man, it's a cool spot. Ain't nothing for me and mine in here. This is for y'all. It's like, all right, nigga. I was like, all right, nigga.

Nah, we just, you know, you know, you, you BBL Bandit. We don't, we don't rock.

I'm certainly not the BBL. There's some other people in here that would be the BBL Bandit waiting for me. How am I the BBL Bandit? That you—

that's the, the—

that I'm new here. Ice, can you explain it?

I love him.

Joe, you know what I'm talking about, man. You like the more—

I have a weight restriction.

Yeah, all right, put— I'll put it this way. Remember how—

however the weight—

however the weight pop up, it got this.

I got you.

I got you.

Well, yeah, remember when you—

remember when you went in Magic City when we were down there?

Yes.

And you got out of there quick, right?

Yes.

Why?

Because my weight restriction wasn't in my way.

Well, my weight restriction is on the other end of that scale.

Ah, but all I'm saying is that has nothing to do with the BBL.

There's plenty of girls with BBL in Magic City, and some girls with BBL too.

I'm— well, we— he know what we mean when we say BBL.

I do.

Exactly.

We have an audience of millions.

They know what I mean too, trust me.

They all know.

They all know.

Hey, you're the big mamas. 170, 185, 190, between 190 and 215. Salute to y'all out there. Anyway, did I do Ice? Yes, I did Ice. I did Ice. All right, Mr. fucking Elmira's finest Parks is here, man. There you go, man.

I'm chilling.

There you go. She was over there giving him an earful.

She was, she was. Salute to her, man. You was talking? I mean, it's a strip club.

Whispers.

Yeah, I mean, it's loud, so not really a whisper, but touchies. That's a lot.

That's a lot. Wasn't a no.

A little touching, a little whispering. I'm with you.

Uh, Big Po is here, Corey is here, Erickson is here, Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you very, very, very, very important people are here.

What's popping?

What's popping?

Hey, my baby is here too. I'm not gonna do that. My baby's sitting here too.

No, don't be nice.

Yeah, that's why.

Yeah, why would I not want She's everywhere I'm at, she's there.

No, I know, I know. If you want the audience to know, I don't—

that's what I was doing. Yeah, missing piece is here.

And you could tell because Ice got a little extra pep in his step today. Yeah, that's true.

The rain didn't bother him at all.

I was in the kitchen, he's like, where the fuck is my Chick-fil-A? I was like, damn, dog.

Yeah, right. Got his lady with him and a Lil Wale concert later. Stop playing with Freeze.

Look what you do for your birthday, man. You're big. Book Wale for a show.

Yeah, I mean, strip club, book Wale for a show. That's hilarious. Uh, so come on, beautiful people, we got you a quick question.

Just because I was joking about you, I'm a little joking about you and you at parties different from any lady, but do y'all— like, I know your girl be here Your lady be here? My lady's been here once, I think. Do y'all pod different when they're here? Like, do y'all feel like y'all act different when they're here?

No, no.

Oh, no, you gotta—

well, you weren't around, but I spent the first 6 years of this podcast doing it in front of my lady, so, uh, okay, so it's just like she's not there?

Yeah.

Got it.

Okay. Yeah, Remy's damn near like a part of this part. Yeah, the producer, like, she's been a fixture in the corner for most of this Okay, yeah, because if my wife come, I'm gonna pod totally different.

Recognize me, pussy.

Same. Yes, yes, I'm right with you. I'm never parting the same if my girl is around. You think I let my girl know how funny I am when she ain't around? Nigga, I am Eddie Murphy when she ain't around.

Bitches, podcasters.

Yeah, Eddie Any others? Uh, you got any other brilliant questions? Word. Mark, I was just curious. Uh, well, it dooms me to say that we must start with our co-host who's not here. Who's not here. And normally I would have waited to discuss this till she is here, but she won't be here Friday.

Oh really?

Oh yeah, cuz she's got a gig that she, she called out for fucking months ago.

Got it.

Uh, so now, yeah, you're at the top of the board. You're at the top of the board, Mona. Now we got to do it, Mona. You're at the top of the board. For your virality. You went— I don't know, y'all, y'all do it because I'm gonna get mad. Go ahead, you do it.

It is—

no, you gotta play.

No, no, it's you.

Nah, nah, nah.

All right, you gonna do Clap Davis?

Yep.

Okay, you promise? It's a bet.

Oh my God.

Then you do this one.

You leave.

No, um, Mona went viral, uh, earlier in the week for a potential altercation. It wasn't a real altercation, it was more of an argument.

Um, so Mona was in that verbal thing. Yeah, it was a verbal altercation. Mona was in downtown Delaware. People thought it was Philly. It was not Philly, by the way, it was Delaware. Um, and you can see on the video, uh, her having a conversation with a woman. The woman was a little more animated than Mona at the beginning, and she's kind of walking away, and Mona You can hear Mona saying, if I did that to you, I apologize, trying to, trying to, um, diffuse it, defuse the situation. Uh, then the woman kind of walks away like, I, I don't want— she ain't had time for that. She goes into the store. Mona tries to walk into the store. They close the door behind her. She's like, basically like, I'm trying, I'm trying to get in the store. Um, she eventually gets into the store, follows a woman into the store. I don't say follows her into the store. Mona said she was going in to purchase something, uh, but she engages the woman further. And the woman is basically like, get the fuck away from me. I'm not— this isn't word for word, but this is the gist.

And, um, and then it clips off. There were people— that's the part that people saw. There's more to the video. It's a very long video. Um, but that's what people saw. Some people were trying to say like that Mona was antagonizing women. Other people say Mona was scared of the woman. Other people were saying, you know, all kinds of things. Personally, I thought— well, I have a few thoughts, but In that moment, Mona to me wasn't scared of the woman at all. Not that that should be the point, but to me she was just trying to be an adult and diffuse the situation and be like, yo, my bad if something happened, and chill the situation out. Personally, I would have just gone another way at some point, but I think it's important to note that.

That's all. Um, somebody sent me the video on, I want to say Thursday night.

They sent me the video just a couple days before the rest of us got it.

And, uh, so I called Mona, I'm like, yo, what the fuck? She's like, dog, She was like, yo, I really didn't want no trouble. She's like, yo, I'm trying to be cognizant of my social standing now. She's like, yo, smart, the old me, we'd have been rumbling. She said, yo, I was trying to apologize to the lady. She like, yo, um, I really didn't want no trouble. I was telling the lady, basically, if I offended you, let me know what I did, I apologize. And she said the lady just was just wouldn't tone down. And she said, yo, the lady was threatening to mace her and all types of shit. And she's like, yo, I'm just trying to see what I did wrong to you, fam. I don't want no smoke, I don't want no problems. And she was like, yo, um, she was like, yo, I'm telling you, you would have been really, really proud of me. Even the stuff that you didn't see, I tried to defuse the situation as much as I possibly could versus being the old me that I used to be.

Are you talking about Mona?

Yeah.

So what, you confused me? You say somebody sent me the thing and then you talk about—

No, somebody, a person sent me the video, saw it, and then called— like, somebody DM'd me the video and was like, yo, your girl was just out here about to get it in and sent it to me. So I immediately called her like, yo, what the fuck? She was like, yo, it wasn't me. She was like, I promise you, I was trying to defuse the shit. I wasn't on no aggressive shit. The lady was mad aggressive, cursing me out, calling me all types of names and shit, and I was just trying to stand down without any problems. She said, I seen the cameras, I seen all that shit, and I'm just trying to get to another level in my ascension. So I'm, I'm a big up for that. You know, you— in speaking to her, did she ever find out what she did to the lady? I think she said something like, yo, I put some money on the counter or something like I reached around the lady or I was on the side of the lady, I just put some money on the counter and the lady looked at it as being disrespectful. Okay.

So she said the lady just went from 0 to 180.

Well, the lady said that in the, in the clip, like when she looked like she was charging toward her, she was describing, because Mona said, what did I do? And the lady said, you came in my store mad aggressive, mad rah-rah trying to buy something. No, it was disrespectful. And no, now get the fuck out the store. So that was in the video. Oh, and then Mona was saying, no, I can't come to the store. And then they slammed the door in her face, which to me was the funniest part of the video. That was hilarious. Mona talking to the— just the door. I'm like, look, Mona still don't know how to shut the fuck up. Mona, that's something that just plagues my girl wherever she at. I'd be wanting to do that shit when she be talking sometimes. Slam. But ain't no door right here.

It was mad phones out there. It was the nutty part. Like, it's grown-ups and everybody had their phone out just trying to get some tea. That shit was, yeah, crazy.

That's how I hit the internet.

No, it wasn't crazy. That's what happened every hour, every minute, every day at that store in Delaware that your ass shouldn't have been the fuck at in the first place. So what do we— why is Mona at the store? I'mma say this to her when I see her, so don't think I'm talking about her face.

I told her that yesterday. We had a conversation yesterday.

Why are you at the store, yo. Look at the store. Look at the store. There ain't a bagel in there you need to digest. Look around. Look at the people around you. Turn left, turn right, and then go and get on the phone and say something about, I thought about my social status, so I ain't swing. Bitch, no you didn't. No you didn't.

It's hard. I say this, it's hard.

No it ain't.

Famona is hard.

It's hard.

I think it's hard for people. It is hard.

Let me not speak with such conviction, because— but I've had this, this talk with many people over the course of 25 years as they ascend, and it'd be tough to digest for some reason. I guess people only know what they know. So if I'm going to get hair glue from this spot that's here on the tough block, and I go there all the time, and you know, it don't feel because you're so comfortable in it, familiarity, it doesn't feel like there's a problem. I got that problem too. When niggas is around with guns, I don't bat an eye. It's, it's, it's all right, it's guns around, we cool.

Or, or that's like somebody saying, yo, how do you be at these strip clubs in the Bronx when mad niggas are scared to go there? One. Number two, at your level of success and your level of fame, some could argue you have no fucking business being there.

They could argue I would have a response.

No, I'm just, I'm just giving you from the outside looking in. That is, that is the same exact thing as you saying, yo, why the fuck you at this bodega?

All right, so now we're gonna, now we're gonna talk through it just because there's an audience.

Gotcha.

Uh, the outside looking in should not matter when your safety is on the line, right? So with all of these strip clubs I know all of the arms in the building. I could walk in with arms myself in the building. I know the security, I know the gangsters, I know— this is— it's a controlled— it's, it's as controlled of an environment as it could be. Not to say nothing. On just a random street, not so much. I agree. You can't, you can't.

That's what I'm saying. But if that's a street that she's very familiar with and know everybody over there, it's kind of the same thing. I know all of the guns around here. I know this person here. I know this person here. I've been coming here forever. It's kind of the same thing, Joe.

I don't—

I don't— or indoor, outdoor is not kind of—

no, no, watch it. I'm just talking about the familiarity.

I also think there's a slight difference in that you could go to a different bodega. You can't go to a different strip club. You know what I'm saying?

What are you talking about? We in Manhattan, it's 7 zillion strip clubs. My point is just simply— no, I know, but my point is just simply is, yo, stuff that can happen in the spot that you are not in control of. So yo, they might not even be targeting Joe Button. It could be me and Parks beefing. I got the shit on me, Parks got the shit on me. You just a casual bystander and somebody can break— I'm not saying me. I know the environment, so it's not me. I'm knowledgeable about everything that's going on. I'm talking about from the viewer's perspective, dog, you not in control of that. And so somebody, if something, God forbid, were to happen to you, the responses would be, he should have not been there in the first place.

I hear that.

You get what I'm saying?

Let's take it off the environment for a second. Mona shouldn't be nowhere with one sock on. What you got to say now, tough ass? Now break it down. When you, when you live, I respect that.

I'm sorry, listen, what I'm saying, you just run into the bodega real quick.

All right, I am good. I'm done with this topic. I will discuss it when I see Mona. Y'all, we love her, so y'all just trying to do something on right quick. No, no, but where's the other side? Everybody done lost the side in the crib.

No, oh, girl didn't even know who Mona was. That's the other thing. It wasn't like she was doing that because she was mother clout shit. Yeah, yeah, she didn't know who she was from what I've heard. Like, the girl was actually shocked. Her peoples was mortified that that happened. They just— she was just on that shit because you're on that shit. They said, I don't want— I don't want get sued by other—

but, and if she knew anybody on the block, nobody certainly jumped in to try to defuse nothing.

Nah, because niggas be fiends for, oh shit, I'm gonna get this guy on camera.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, you could have stopped that at fiends.

So, so Joe, you go to the strip club. Um, so Joe, you go to the strip club. We all got some shit that we still do that we shouldn't do. What is your— what is y'all shit that y'all do that y'all—

oh yeah, I know, I talk about mine. I'll be in clubs I shouldn't be in. I'm in the hood every day though.

In the hood, hood, hood.

Yeah, I shouldn't be in some of these spots, I know that.

Why do y'all still do it? Like, comfort.

They my spots.

Comfort.

Oh, it's just come— okay.

I mean, I got business there, I got personal shit there. I'm, I'm, you know, I, I— me personally, I don't think I've risen to a level where I'm in fear of my safety in these particular environments that surround It's like I'm not there yet. I think if I start to feel, um, uneasiness in my surroundings, then of course it's my job to excuse myself from that and dissociate from that. Joe been famous for 20-something years, you know what I'm saying? So those—

there has to be times where you go, I shouldn't be here right now.

I've been in a couple spots where I'm like, yo, I leave. Okay, exactly. Then you leave.

Or like your friends or your girl or someone will have you somewhere where you're like this— I don't need to be here right now.

Like, once I get that feeling, I'm out.

Yeah.

Okay. Some of that shit, the ego keep you, keep you there sometime though. No, for me, like, I'm not gonna let nobody not let— I'm not gonna let something stop me from being in this place.

I don't need to be here though. Ain't nobody staring me down and making—

I don't mean like that.

I just mean like energy radiating, emitting.

Sometimes I was in Philly, I was in Philly a couple times this week, uh, handling some stuff, and I was visiting family in the hood and Like, I walk to the store, I go to the, the local— midnight I'm outside doing shit, and I'm sitting like, I don't need to be here. But then I'm like, I, I don't leave. And part of that is ego. And then for some people, before we close out, is guilt. Like, people feel like, I don't want to feel like I'm better than this, I don't feel like I'm better. That's part of what—

from here, this is who raised me, I shouldn't turn my back.

Yeah, that's what me and Mona talked about. I don't want to disclose our conversation, but one thing she said, I think she'd be okay me repeating this. She said like, I don't want to feel like I'm too good to be here. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And that's the thing, like, I don't want to act like I'm better than them. I'm gonna go to this store. I'm like, you could just do Uber.

It's a tough battle trying to find that, that—

why is it tough?

Because you don't want to feel like I'm too good for a spot, but at the same time you might say I shouldn't be here. So it's like a, it's like a back and forth battle. I'll explain.

It's not a battle for you.

It's a con— no, again, Joe been famous for a very, very, very young age. Yeah, you know what I'm— and you come from environment that was a bad environment, so you getting away from that environment was the most logical and rational thing you should have been doing at that time. You know what I'm saying? Like, it makes sense why you like— I'm not, definitely not disrespecting the reason that you— and not for nothing, in, in Joe's situation, like, you had somebody put a gun in your face. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, some people don't go that far with the, the, the close call. Yeah, you know what I mean? So they still—

lesson learned.

Exactly.

You had good reason to get out. I mean, they learned you. But think about this, and this is a real true story, especially in the hoods. Yo, it's a lot of successful people that make it out the hood, right? We don't know that they successful because they never come back. So if you make it to a certain level of prominence or success, you kind of want to go back to the hood sometimes to show the other people that it's a possibility for you to get out. Yeah, that's where it get tricky though.

And no, it does.

I'm not— now you come because some people look at you as food now that you came back. And oh well, we starving over here and you made it.

Are you here?

I mean, play with— run with the lions. I can't say much.

Go back to the hood. What hood, nigga? They done turned the old Journal Square into high-rises, nigga. Whatever hood you grew up in ain't the same.

No, that's not true.

Hold on, some hoods is still—

MLK gonna be MLK, my nigga. MLK is everywhere around the country. It's some shit going on.

I mean, it's a few— it's a few simple rules of thumb that if you follow it, you probably be cool. The harder it is— if, if the— if, if the harder it is to make it from a town is how easy it is to stay away from that motherfucker once you make it. Like, sorry, I, I don't see just Crops of Delaware motherfuckers. Just, you hear those stories and niggas on this, on the— like, Jersey City was tough to make it out from. Guess what? I acknowledge that, and I ain't gonna prove it. Yeah, I ain't coming back.

Are you crazy?

You can't.

Oh no, that's crazy.

On the drive-by tip, yeah, there's nothing, there's nothing to do but you see your family and do all that type All that other shit I did in my 20s. You get a car, you want to take it through the Ave, you want to take it through the blocks, you want to take it to fucking Crown's. Yeah, it's over. It's over there.

You ain't going to Crown's no more.

The other day it was nice out. I was bored in the house on some— I'm a celebrity, so I ain't supposed to be nowhere, so I'm just staying home for 10 days in a row, with the exception of where we went. Well, you know, let me hop in the car, take a little drive. I hopped in the car, made a right. Wait, it was people outside.

Which car?

Which, which car?

Yeah, that's good. Very important.

My red The red car.

What brand is that? I mean, is that Ford? Chevrolet?

That's another F. Yeah, okay. I mean, I made it right. It was mad people outside. It was traffic. It was all types of shit. I fucking pulled over where I was trying to go, but nobody in there for me. I sit there, order orange juice, and fucking left in 5 minutes, went back in the house. I'm like, what am I doing?

But don't you feel— don't a part of you want to just roll? Like, I remember, I think about like Muhammad Ali when I was a young boy. Like, when I was— he would like jog down Broad Street. Sometimes when he's in Philly, he would just jog through North literally just on Broad Street. And like, it was good to see him in the hood.

That's a different era.

True. In fairness, it is. That's what I'm saying. But that's the image I have, and that's what I keep holding on to. So when I think about you, like, you riding through Jersey City or, or y'all going through Newark, yeah, I mean, like, the people want to see you.

I agree.

I just said that, you know.

And if I went to Jersey City, what store do you think I would stop at? A store and buy something. Pull over.

Yeah, definitely wouldn't get out.

Hey, Jersey City, it take about 3 seconds. Go ahead, park.

Dairy Queen, there you go.

Go ahead and try to park. No, that's my hood, nigga. Yeah, well, nothing ever happened to Joe Button at Dairy Queen. You're gonna be a banana split. They know about me at that Dairy Queen now. See you in a minute.

A lot of walnuts.

Anyway, we glad, Mona, we glad that you all—

yeah, that part, no doubt. Support her shows too.

Y'all. Word.

That's my nigga.

Um, are you okay? Your last— when I spoke to you yesterday, you were still mourning a bit from the Clive Davis thing. I think the whole music industry was shook it up.

Oh yeah, you did. Um, I did speak to you right after he passed.

Yeah.

You want to tell them what you said?

No, I absolutely do not.

You want to go ahead and tell them them what you said to me as soon as Clive passed, so they could really see the real Mark, so they could really see the level that you'll stoop to. Come on, come on, give it to them.

If I was really a piece of shit, I would say it because it would be worth it. Yeah, but no, it, um, I'm gonna say it. Mark said, right? Mark told me, right? Nah, the music industry is, uh, reeling right now. Following the death of Clive Davis, who of course was one of the great music execs, and I would argue maybe the greatest talent finder in American music history.

He's up there. He's in the combo.

We should talk about that.

We'll get to that.

After we eulogize him first.

Yes, please.

We eulogize him first. Please. And also, he died at 94.

Long life.

Yeah, they say the good die young. And he starts— first of all, he's a lawyer by training. Went to NYU, then went to Harvard Law. A lot of people don't know that. Impeccable training. Then he goes into the music business. And first at Columbia Records. And he's at Columbia Records, to me, one of the most interesting times at Columbia Records, from like '67 to '73. I think Aretha was still there for those last few years. I mean, there was some amazing shit happening at Columbia. At Columbia Records right there, and he was a great talent scout. He then went from there to Arista, and before later founding, um, uh, J Records. He was somebody who didn't just build. He wasn't somebody who just, uh, created. He wasn't somebody who just made money, although he made a whole lot of it. Yeah, he was a talent— he was a talent finder.

He was—

he had a unique and rare ability to spot talent, and across genres, which is another thing. Some execs only can find the soul singer or the pop singer or the rap artist. But when you can see Santana and you can see Janis Joplin, you can see Aerosmith, you can see Bruce Springsteen, um, then you can see Whitney Houston, which may be his— that's certainly his favorite, his prize sort of talent.

Remind me to come back to Bruce Springsteen. Okay, ask y'all a question.

But he had an ability to nurture and develop, and it's also generational. Some people can do it in an era and then once their moment is gone. But to go from the '60s and then to produce talent in the '70s all the way up to— I mean, Alicia Keys.

Yeah.

And to keep producing talent decade after decade after decade is a testament, uh, I think, to his talent. You know, there aren't a lot of, uh, legends still standing, and he was, he was one of the last ones. Uh, and of course his legacy will live on through the music, it'll live on through the infrastructure, live on through NYU, where he obviously built—

Clive Davis School.

Clive Davis School. And he was a big mentor. And so some people don't plant seeds. But one thing Clive was willing to do was plant seeds. He would plant his seed in many, many— Fertile.

—young artists.

And I think it just says everything about him. And so— Rest in peace, Clive. We would say rest in peace to him. We hope that he gets everything. That he deserves.

And thank you for your contributions. Thank you. Responsible for a lot of great music, no question.

A lot of great music across— again, across all the genres. That's amazing. Amazing part about him. Parks and I— do you have anything to add to that, Joe?

Did he mentor you? No. Okay. I never had anything to do with, uh, Arista or J Records, any of that.

I know sometimes he worked with artists who weren't— who he was willing to mentor, plant seeds even when people weren't. Yeah, you don't like gardening directly under his Did a bunch of rappers fuck with him? Some did. I know he had some strong relationships with like, uh, Puff Daddy. Uh, he had some, you know, and so a lot of people came under the Bad Boy umbrella. He, he— they felt his presence. All you gotta do is learn from me.

If you keep a straight face while Mark do this shit, I mean, just let him cook. All right, it's a eulogy.

What else, what else would we have with a straight face? If anything, we should be crying. Or sad. But, but, but lots of people, um, I just thought you might have been—

I'm not sure if I ever even met— I don't think I've even met Clive Davis.

I've never met him. Stick to that. Yo, I don't care what they ask. I don't care what they say.

Why are you being such a jerk?

Um, but what, what are the Clive Davis accusations? I don't know of any accusations of what? I don't know. That's what I'm asking. Mark, don't talk your fucking shit.

You're hitting like there's something—

He mentored lots of people.

Oh, you saying one other thing? He was a pioneer.

One, this is a serious note. I don't know if y'all got a chance to read his biography. Who am I talking to?

You don't read?

Fuckin' my— he wrote an autobiography. And in it, one of the things he talked about was being bisexual. And he was one of the first major industry people and major public figures to say that. And he said at the time that he hoped that coming out as bisexual would help people deepen their understanding of bisexuality. To erase some of the stigma and to understand who he was. And he had relationships with men into his '90s. I'm only mentioning it because he mentioned it. It was important to him— And it's Pride Month, so— And it is Pride Month. And it was important to him that people knew that. So yeah, so again, he left lots of legacies and lots of marks with a K. I think that's it for Clive Davis. Rest in peace, Clyde Davis.

Rest in peace, man.

Now, do you want to have the fight that we were having?

Yes, I want to hear this fight.

Yeah, so yeah, don't try to back off of that one.

Yeah, no, no, I'm not at all. I'm talking this through. I feel even more correct. But you said you wanted to do something with Clyde before that, huh? Okay, you said before we did set up—

you, you know, I want to ask at the end. I got my— I just want to know who has the tea. Yeah, my shit ain't— my shit ain't about nothing important. I just want to know who has the Clive tea. There's a lot of— he's gone, rest in peace, but he was 94.

He was in the industry for a long time.

I'm sure there is some tea out there, but it's out there. Please don't make me just fucking go home and imagine what the tea could be.

And it is piping hot, as they say.

I know it is. I wish somebody would spill it. Do we think that Clive tea will come out anytime soon? Absolutely.

Probably. Yes, absolutely. Here's the And I know some people, when he died yesterday, were tagging me and saying, I can't wait for Marc's eulogy so he can really, you know, go in on Clive Davis. And that's not— I have no problem. Y'all know me. I have no problem criticizing people during a eulogy if they deserve it. And he may deserve it. But I don't want to mention a bunch of rumor and innuendo in people's eulogies. It's one thing with Hulk Hogan, where it's like, we know this thing happened. Or Dick Cheney, who's a certified piece of shit. That's different.

But like, I'm gonna say that after you do all that, she your dick.

Dick Cheney? Yeah, I don't care. But for Clive Davis, this— it's too much speculation, too much rumor, too much innuendo that I don't think that's fair to him, his legacy, or the people, his family, who are tied to him. Because some of it—

which is a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I don't, I don't want to do that. Uh, there'll be plenty of time for that when it comes out. I'll report it, I promise. But it's just not the time right now, you know. Um, But we were having a conversation about talent and who was kind of— I don't want to misrepresent, but I said that somehow we ended up talking about Berry Gordy because we were talking about who's left. And I said Berry Gordy is one of the greatest, obviously one of the greatest talent finders. The. You say he's the greatest. The. I put Clive Davis above him. How? And that's where the conversation came. Who are Berry's—

Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye.

Smokey Robinson. Smokey Robinson.

Diana Ross. Oh yeah, that's, that's— yeah, you can stop. No, he found him and scouted him.

I'm asking from ignorance. Well, him and his team, you know, obviously we're both these gentlemen. They have— we're talking teams.

Yeah, because otherwise if you don't talk teams, it's not fair. Yeah, I think they're the only— to me, they're the two in the conversation. Agreed.

Um, I think it's almost impossible to beat that lineup.

It's a nice start. That's a mean 5.

Nice starting 5. Where Clive Davis wins is the depth. And the breath. So, um, I'm just— I'm— I made a little list just to go back to it. But again, I mean, I know y'all don't care about some of these people, so y'all gonna say whatever.

No, these are— there's monsters on this list.

But I mean, to find Janis Joplin, to find Barry Manilow, to find Bruce Springsteen, to find Aerosmith, to find Santana, to find Whitney Houston— I mean, that's a good— this ain't a crazy take.

It's not the craziest thing.

It would be the best if there wasn't a person Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, that would be, that would be the top.

Does Barry Gordy get credit for Stevie Wonder? I'm thinking this through. Yeah, why wouldn't he? I'm literally thinking about the chronology of him getting to Motown. I was trying to— I, I thought he was doing some stuff. I might be wrong, I don't know.

It's Barry Gordy. Is it?

Yes, yes. Stevie Wonder is what makes it, is what makes it even to me competitive, right?

Yeah, you could, you could take that Barry Manilow shit off the street. But no, Aerosmith and Aerosmith, Bruce Springsteen, Santana. If I keep trying to chill. He's the New Jersey fucking GOAT, so I don't have nothing bad to say. But that's 2 times you— and if you say it again, I'm gonna be forced to say what I'm thinking. Bruce Springsteen. We gotta ask the question.

Yo, I think I'm in the same—

how many slaps Bruce got? He got some.

He's got some slaps.

He got some slaps. And it's not just that he got slapped, it's also the ones he got.

What are they? All right, banned in the USA. Born in the USA.

Born in the USA. 2 Live Crew, you fucking hood rat.

All right, Born in the USA, that's worse.

No, Born in the USA is a great song.

Yeah, no, it's worse than being banned. Banned is hard. Anyway, I'm not talking about the song. All right, Born in the USA. Pull up Bruce Springsteen.

It's also kind of banned in the USA if you ever—

I was gonna say, this song is actually ironic. People were singing it like patriotic, it's actually not that. We have some people to listen to this song.

What else you got though?

Dancing in the Dark.

Dancing in the Dark's a big one. Is there a deluxe on that?

Born to Run, Thunder Road. Born to Run, for sure. Yeah. All right, all right. Streets of Philadelphia.

Sacred Heart. I'm gonna keep it a buck. I don't know none of these. I got it. Yo. I got it. Born to go rock.

This is a big fight in my household, actually, because Rem is a big Bon Jovi fan, and we always have the Springsteen versus Bon Jovi fight.

Is there a fight? What's the fight? What's the fight? Wait.

What's the fight there? Bon Jovi's got a little more depth. A little bit. A lot more actually.

Yeah, I was about to say, what are you talking about, a little bit? So what's the fight?

Who do you— who's better? Who in the versus, who wins?

Yo, yo, hey yo, they don't even get in the ring.

Who are you talking about?

I don't—

I ain't— I can't—

Bruce is the dude, but he's like the—

But again, bro, is he white? Yeah, right, because he was spray tanning. Yeah, you say, is he white? He was spray tanning.

I think he's Jewish.

You seen the We Are the World doc?

What the fuck is up with you? Yeah, he did not have the greatest performance.

That wouldn't be the best. Yeah, he didn't belong though. But again, he's not— he's not in this— I'm not sure he's in the starting 5.

Sorry, Clive.

He's not Clive's starting 5. I mean, again, there's also Chicago, Pink Floyd, Love Chicago, Earth, Wind and Fire.

You get Chicago, you get Earth, Wind and Fire.

You get Pink Floyd, but Pink Floyd was— that wasn't fully him. He just got them, uh, distribution in the US. You lose Pink Floyd.

Yeah, comes to the US without the nigga, you got to get a nigga a 0.5.

You got to give him something.

Yeah, the, the list is just— this is just a lot more. It's like, it's like a draft where you get like 3 Hall of Famers versus a draft where you get like 20, 25 All-Stars.

3 of the best that have ever done, not just Hall of Famers.

Oh yeah, Jimmy Cozier. I love Jimmy Cozier, so don't— let's not make— I'm not going— Clive, get Jimmy. Clive wins. No, what? No, win against no damn Barry Gordy. Yes, he does.

Your running father, bro.

Running father, Mike, Stevie, Marvin.

Whitney neutralizes one of them. Now I'm not giving Marvin Gaye.

Whitney neutralizes who did he just say?

I am not giving Marvin Gaye to—

how? No, Marvin over Whitney Houston?

No, I'm saying yes, yes, yes, yes. 8 days of the week.

8 days of the week. Marvin Gaye over Whitney. With respect, rest in peace.

Of course, of course. Y'all drunk. Y'all are drunk. Marvin Gaye over Whitney? Yes, yes, yes. Out y'all fucking—

I don't even think that's— I know Big Jersey.

What are you talking about?

As a vocalist? Are you talking about over— what do you— or as an artist?

I'm talking about as a vocalist, her impact and which Whitney Houston was her for a very, very, very long time.

Not that long. I mean, if we be— not that, that long. All right. I mean, no, I mean, her first album comes out, what, '83-ish? Yeah. And My Love Is Your Love comes out by— in what, '98? '98. So it's 15 years.

It's a long time. A long—

yeah, but compared to Marvin Gaye. Yeah, Marvin Gaye started with Harvey Farquhar, uh, with Harvey and the Moogles, which is why I'm not giving them all the credit for I'm saying Marvin was kind of— and he was already a session drummer before. I'm just saying there's a long stretch before he gets to Motown. I mean, there's time after Motown.

And you take Marvin Gaye's best 4 songs and Whitney's not allowed in that club? No, y'all are crazy. Whitney's not allowed in that section of the club?

You know, this is crazy, bro. You keep saying— give me Marvin's 4, give me Whitney's 4. So let me tell— ask me, tell me what the criteria is, because it can't be 4 songs. It can't, it can't be opinionated. Validate it. Because now I'm gonna go— now I'm gonna go get the songs that broke the records, and now y'all gonna go to, yo, we not talking about numbers, we not talking—

you say she's a bigger selling artist.

Yeah, I'm asking you what the criteria is before we pivot with the conversation. The girl sung the fucking national anthem and the shit went 4, 5, 6 platinum.

I just want to point out— I just want to point out that— to that point, but just as an example, Marvin Gaye was kind of the first person at the '84 All-Star Game to introduce that departure from the standard national anthem. So even Whitney's following Marvin's template. Yeah, and Michael Jordan followed Dr.

J. Dude, are they a conversation?

We're not calling Marvin Gaye Dr.

J. Nobody brings up Dr.

J's name when motherfucking Michael Jordan's name comes into the conversation, right?

And I'm saying that there— I don't think that Marvin Gaye and Whitney Houston are— are— so you shouldn't have said it. No, no, I was just saying that my point still remains.

I was talking about influence. You take Whitney Houston's— call it 4 or 5, I don't care, take her best 5 songs, and she can't stand nowhere near Marvin No, she can't look at him.

And then if you get to 10, I don't even know if you—

you could add the Star-Spangled Banner that she sung, and put Dolly Parton up there with her to sing it. Put Cecil Houston, uh, what's it, uh, CeCe Winans, put the whole family up there. Dionne Warwick, get all of this. Hey, get Brandy. Who else Whitney Houston know? Ray J could come up here, and Whitney Houston better not say a fucking With respect, another New Jersey left. She better not say a fucking peep about Marvin Gaye.

Whitney's 4 biggest songs would be I Will Always Love You, Exhale, I Wanna Dance with Somebody. I Wanna Dance with Somebody, and Go Dance with Somebody.

They got a catalog like you. Go dance with somebody that these songs is gonna be. We talking about Sexual Healing, Let's Get It On, What's Going On, Inner City Blues. I want you— I heard it through the grapevine. It's very— there's different levels of art. Just to tell you, Terrell, I mean, yeah, yeah. Yeah, come on, come on.

With respect, with respect, respectfully. And that's why that's what the criteria is, because those are songs that's resonating with us. When you start talking about worldwide acclaim and all that other shit, it's gonna be a different conversation depending on who the audience is.

Ah, that Motown sound is pretty global.

I got 3 number 1 hits, you know.

Oh, you trying to trap us into like the numbers thing?

That's what I'm telling you. That's what the criteria said. I'm asking you what the criteria is, because now it's depending—

you think if you include white people that Whitney beats Marvin? Cuz I don't— I still don't think that Marvin Gaye ain't some Black—

white people, no Black people. I said worldwide acclaim, so that's why I asked what the criteria is, because then it becomes opinionated. If we start talking about numbers, something that's quantifiable, you can't deny those, and it's not opinionated at that point.

Well, but, but you still have to look at like the different eras too, cuz it— you don't— I said I know. I mean, you do. I mean, if there's just more people in the world now in, in 2000. In your travels, you're gonna hear more—

you're gonna hear Marvin Gaye song where you go before How Will I Know comes on, which I do. Like, what are we talking about here?

I— yeah, if we're talking about— as an— if you talk about artistry, I don't think it's close.

If you talk about, um, sales, yeah, then Whitney might—

Whitney wins the sales fight, and it's not close by far. I think that's what it is, correct?

It's not even close. It's not close. And it's all I want to If this young lady never had the problems or the issues that she had, unfortunately, especially toward the latter end of her career, we're not even having this conversation.

Marvin has some issues too.

No, no, no, he has some issues too. I'm not disagreeing with you. Whitney Houston was the pinnacle for a female artist of her generation, bro. That's a fact.

Yeah, there's an— I don't want to say this, I would be respectful— there's a natural decline that happens to all artists at a certain point. I'm not sure It's not like she had 20 more years of number 1 hits in there, any more than Aretha or anybody else did, right? I think that Whitney had a great career. And Whitney, to me, is one of the greatest vocalists we've ever seen, one of the greatest artists we've ever seen. I'm not taking nothing away from Whitney. I just think Marvin Gaye— it's almost a little— it's a little apples and oranges. But I think— it is. I think Marvin Gaye is just a different level of artist. I think we're underestimating his impact as a writer, as a singer.

And I want to be clear. Yeah. Back to the original conversation. Marvin Gaye is number 3 on my list. There's 2 above him.

So all I said was Whitney can't Cancels out one of the three, and then you're gonna have to go to Clive Davis's depth. So when you start naming 4 and 5 or 6, 7 of these mega artists, I think those 6 to that one, Michael Jackson's canceled out about 6 of them, 12, maybe more than that.

Yeah, but he got 8 more.

Dolo. And now Stevie's here. Oh wait, Clive got each other, each other man that he about to rap for, Luther. Oh shit.

And now he don't get credit for Luther, but he does get credit.

I didn't know it was all That was a 5 that was unstoppable. But when you got 7 motherfuckers, and I could show it with lots of them, lots of them.

But finding Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson is epic. I don't take anything away from that.

But a nice— but 50, he still got 50 left, Corey. Park stopped at about 6 motherfuckers.

Yeah, I don't need no more.

I needed to continue. That's why I gave you like 25.

Hey, you take that Janis Joplin shit up the street. I hear you, big man.

I love Janis Joplin. Let's go to the next bitch. But you still got the Supremes and fucking the Commodores. I know. It's a long list.

Nah, it's some heat on there, but all that Kenny Loggins shit could go get up.

No, but again, if you talking about the sales—

I love Kenny Loggins. Don't do that to Kenny, yo. Or Kenny G.

I fucking hate Kenny G, but the motherfucker sold a lot of records.

I think if you take all the—

I mean, Songbird wouldn't be what I turn on if I want to hear like like good jazz.

I think if you take all the artists to ever exist, it's gonna be tough to beat. That's the only point I'm making.

But it's not like he just said give me all of them. He actually developed some great talent and he revived some careers. Like that resurgence of Carlos Santana, that last wave. Oh, forgot about that. That's— are you kidding? This came back at like 50s.

Give Clef that credit. You twisted my arm.

Fuck Diana Ross.

The resurgence of Aretha Franklin? Again, like all these people, y'all motherfuckers crazy, man. Dionne Warwick, he had a big—

I mean, y'all walk on water anyway. You gonna make me chill out. Chill, chill, chill, chill.

Y'all got it. Rest in peace to Clyde.

Indeed. And salute to Barry, who's also producing a lot of these artists as well. So that's different level shit.

Aretha Franklin. DM, nigga.

What you got to say about Aretha Franklin? I'm worried, Joe Budden.

You can't say nothing about—

can't say nothing about— you can't say nothing about Aretha Franklin. He said The Resurgence. Yeah, he was—

I mean, nobody checking for The Rose Is Still a Rose. Is still—

that was a dope album.

I, I would even— it—

what are you about to say? I got—

there's just a lot of Aretha moments, and Clive Davis was, was a part of, part of some of the—

a few of the couple of them.

That was my— that was my— that's what I said. That's not my main point for Clive. I'm saying he just— I said Santana, Frank, all those people, he helped their resurgence too, which is a whole other thing on top of the talent.

I ain't heard from Santana. Come on, I'm about to just disrespect. All that Maria Maria smooth show, I ain't heard from Santana Santana since them little black bald-headed twins popped up. Yeah, that don't nobody know their name.

I don't know what you talking about.

That, that was a group though from, uh, from Maria.

Oh, uh, uh, Project G&B had some black brothers.

Product G&B, Product G&B. That was a group.

They had the song with the, was it Matchbox 20 or one of them fucking?

That album was amazing. It won all the Grammys.

And that was all Clive. Listen, Motown and that's it, nigga. Yeah, Motown for life. All this shit you doing trying to get a job. Detroit, what up though? Detroit, what up? Detroit, Detroit. Yeah, I don't know if you trying to—

That's not how you get a job, y'all.

I don't know if you trying to speak at the Clive Memorial. You know you a memorial all-star. Yeah, that's a fact. He pop up when somebody die. That with some kind words. I'm good at that shit. Rest in peace. Rest in peace to Clive. And thank you. And thank you. Thank you for all of it. Uh, his family, friends, fans, fellow artists and executives, man. Mentees, all that. Yeah, there's a lot of them. A lot of them out there. Um, all right, it's time for— it's my favorite time of the show. Just— yeah, yeah. That was like a—

that was a 54-minute one.

No, come on, it got to be some more shit in music we can get to. We ain't got to get the projects right now. Let's get all the music out the way now that Barry ended Clive. Barry did not end Clive. Barry ended Clive. Barry ended Clive. He's still living, that's about it.

Did anybody watch the Earth, Wind Fire doc, by the way?

I heard it's amazing. I did, I did. It was— I heard it's amazing.

I didn't see it, I heard it's fire though.

It's really good. It's on HBO. Questlove produced it and directed it and all that shit. Maurice was tough. He was tough, man. He was tough. He was tough on them. He was firing people over—

over facts.

You ain't seen it yet? No.

Oh, you should watch it.

You should absolutely watch it.

You should have this on my watch list.

Yeah, it's Music Nerds. You should, you should— you would absolutely— first of all, only Questlove can assemble the people to be talking heads on this that he did. I mean, you got Michelle and Barack Obama and Stevie Wonder. I mean, oh shit. I mean, like, it wasn't just fired though. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, a whole lot of people on Earth would have fired Doc and not get Barack Obama and Stevie Wonder. True. So, but it wasn't just like A-list, like famous people. It was also like people who really knew their shit. Um, so I really enjoyed that part of it. I thought the storytelling was good. I liked his first doc. Um, the Sly Stone one. Yeah, yeah, that was great too. Uh, no, that's the second one.

The first one was, uh, I saw that one.

The first one was the one that was in theaters. Uh, yeah, yeah. Oh, the one with the, uh, festival, right? Yeah, that one I thought was good, but it was very clearly a very good first doc, and it was very niche.

It wasn't the star power of Sly or Morris and Earth, Wind Fire.

But with each film, Questlove gets better at storytelling, for sure. The elements get better, the organization gets better. I thought the Sly Stone one was amazing. It Um, the Earth, Wind Fire one, I thought he— I just thought the storytelling was great. I thought, I thought visually it was beautiful. Indeed. And the music, there was so much good— you can actually, you know, some of these docs you don't get the music in them. Yeah, you got to actually hear this shit.

And Earth, Wind Fire's got a lot of fucking slaps.

Yes, and a lot of people, a lot of members.

I could see why you would— the splits would get a little complicated. I'm not splitting with 14 people. In fact, I'll just keep it all.

Let me tell you something, right? I'm not sleeping with a nigga who's playing the No, fuck that. No, man, he— yeah, watching the people leaving into the group, watching, hearing their childhood stories, how they grew up. Yeah, I didn't know a lot of stuff. I didn't know about like the separation from his mom, just all this, all this stuff. Um, and they have the actual members participate in it too, which a lot of times doesn't happen with docs. Yeah, or it's the other extreme. If the members participate, it feels like an infomercial for the group and it doesn't feel like it tells the truth about the group. I thought it was a nice balance. That was crazy.

Like half the, half the band had to go get jobs selling TVs and shit for a while. Oh, it's crazy.

It got deep. How long is it? Pause.

2 hours, about 2 hours.

All right, I can't wait. I'm gonna check it out.

And just one last thing, just the scene where they get housed at about, uh, Apartment Funkadelic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great scene where they're performing and they perform, they got— yeah, they got smoked. They got smoked. Damn.

Pre-Versus era, it was like, we gotta go back to the drum boy.

That's a respectable smoke though, for sure.

Yeah, that's what you want to get smoked by.

Late '60s, I think. Yeah, maybe early '70s.

Yeah, yeah, you're gonna get smoked.

It was, it was at the time where you should get smoked by people.

Yeah, it was right when they first formed as Earth, Wind Fire because Maurice was drumming for, uh, what's my man's name, the piano jazz guy. Um, not Bud. Um, I'm sorry, just to disrespect him. I not remember his name, but he formed his own group and they opened up for George pretty early on and just got fucking smoked.

That Clive shit can't open up when some Motown shit going on, nigga. Yeah, what you talking about?

I mean, he signed Earth, Wind Fire is why I thought of it, right?

George couldn't put no Motown, but whatever. I'm not sure how to—

let this rock. Not at all. Oh man.

Yeah, no, it was great. Also, you just realize how freakishly talented some of these artists are. Like, even as he's talking, like, yeah, he's playing the keys. He said, you know what, I'm gonna just drum.

Yeah, word.

And he just started drumming professionally. Like, he wasn't like some class—

he wasn't even a vocalist.

No. Wow. They're just so gifted. But it's a great film. I think everybody should watch it. It's one of the good ones for sure.

And where is it? HBO. HBO. Oh, that's where I've been watching my fat girl cult doc.

That's why I had a chance Wait, is this a cult for fat girls or a cult about fat girls? Both. Sign you up, coach.

Back to that 185.

Is there a QR code you can send me? No, he, he was, he was £500 and up. Oh shit, his weight requirement. If you got under £500— so the guy, so the guy who— long story really, really short— the guy who invented the chip so convertible, uh, roofs on cars could just go back and forth. Like, I mean, without the guy who invented that chip, uh, has a house and invited a bunch of fat girls to just be there. Okay. And he kept feeding them and taping them and recording them. And he married one of them, and then the black girl he had some kids with. But, uh, he was, uh, he was sexually abusing— oh, that's terrible— people. Well, so they say. He's sitting right there saying they got him. He's like, I ain't do that shit, in front of the lady. Yeah, they got him sitting down. No, not in front of them, but just, you know, the solo confessional shot. So he's sitting there saying, no, I didn't do that, and then she wanted it, and— but it's a mess. It's 3 episodes. Sounds good. And they got all of the fat girls there too.

So no, for real, I believe I learned all type of words like feederism. Who? Nawa? The fuck? Feederism.

That's what it— oh, feeder. Feederism, like to feed.

Yes, it's a kink. It's, it's— well, it was his kink where he like— when you get off on feeding them, feeding them, or seeing big people continue to eat. And it was just, it was crazy. Wow, that's next level.

Yeah, I'm not going to kink same, but yeah, I was a little different.

Imagine that that would be a fire head.

Oh shit, that's an old microphone. Fire. What, big bitch? Big bitch head? What a bull— you think? Come on, let's get on some nigga shit real quick. You think, you think big bitch head facts is the best head? Yes, nigga.

They eating and they, they in the they put their— whatever the fuck that is right here, nigga, you feel it, nigga. Instant gratification. You might nut off the first, you know what I'm saying? If you don't like—

hey, yo, dog, don't ever do your mouth like that.

You know what I'm talking about though? I do. You took a big mouth before. It's like they last meal, nigga. The last time—

big girl head is categorically the best brand of head you could get.

I'm not going to say it's the top. This is what I think personally, I just think they care more.

Like, that's the key to a good blowjob, huh? That's the key to a good—

yes, like if a girl really likes giving head, skinny or big, that shit gonna be fire. Some girls be feeling like it's a chore, it's a task, they don't really want to do it. Yeah, yeah, I'mma fuck Big Mama. Big girls get down.

Yeah, yeah, like they gonna get comfy. But I don't want to separate it between the girls who love giving head and girls that don't don't. The girls that love getting head, they could go sit out there somewhere. In the conversation, assuming everyone loves giving head, what brands are— did this drunk, drunk white girl head, drunk head period?

Yeah, that can go either way.

Whoa, whoa, there could be a lot of teeth in there.

Get the teeth in your shit.

They can be a little ratchet.

Too drunk, she throw up. Freeze, freeze! Freak shit. Ain't no freak shit. No, you right. Freeze my lap. No, I just I think this—

you know why big girl head is dope? In 2013 I was inviting them big bitches over just to eat on somebody's feet or something. No, no, that sounded like he said just one more bite! That's what Money was just saying!

Come on, it's one more! Not too wide!

Not to feed him and get I'm not like turned on by that. That's not my thing. But I had a chef, and the chef always made a meal for two anyway. And some of them big bitches would have like a nice full lip or a nice mouth situation where you would be like, hey, you want to come over for dinner on Thursday? I wonder why. And they would come over and the chef would bring it, and it would— they never seen a chef, the big bitches.

So that they usually cook for themselves.

They, they be using the one stove, old college shit. Oh, you talking about big bitches? They'll cook on anything. But anyway, yeah, the chef would come bring the plate, then the chef would leave, and we would eat, and then we would stop eating, and then they would— and then she would eat right to work. I never said nothing. I never, I never asked for that head. She didn't even look like she was in give head position, like stay ready, ain't got to get ready.

After that lady got a full stomach— more Chef Boyardee.

Oh, gobble, gobble. She was so good at it. I know I didn't give enough dick for whatever she wanted to do. Like, she was treating my dick— she was bugging, she was bugging. Yeah, salute. I don't care about the messy face, nothing. Yeah, when you ain't got it— when she— when she loves sucking dick so much that your dick is not enough, she's more. She turn, she hold you in, nigga. She start sucking your balls. She start doing the balls and the dick. Man, this bitch is a pro. Yo, if I had more dick, bitch.

Look at the pro. Look at the pro. Go judge. Yeah, judge us, nigga. Judge us, boy. We not to the— a lot of us not to the knee, my nigga.

I don't even know what you talking about.

Judge us. Yeah, we not to the knee.

Not to the knee. No, motherfuckers don't care about that. And back in the day, like 2005— are you going back? You're going way back, like 2004, when me and my niggas was hot, Detroit. We would get a kite. Motherfuckers be like, yo, these bitches having a pajama party in Virginia. Oh shit, you remember when the kite comes? Yo, it's a few of them out there, they have a pajama party in Virginia. You want to drive up there? Who got a car? Yeah, let's drive up there. Niggas take a drive up there. Nigga, how it turned out, we all such assassins, we all wanted the big bitch. We knew the big bitch on the pajama party. Niggas kept trying to sneak her in the side room, but niggas kept banging on the door. Yeah, what you doing? Yeah, nah, you ain't coming back. Nah, we on that. Yeah, come out. No, no, no, we will have a team meeting before you go get that fucking chick. Now, no, nigga. That's something we gotta discuss. He's right, he's right. Oh my God. That is hilarious. You get your 5 minutes in the bathroom with the big bitch at the pajama party?

Oh my God. That's why you wanna move to Virginia. It only takes it. Had you looking for apartments. Anyway.

On the worst day, best day, nigga.

3, nigga. I'm talking shit, I ain't a head guy. Sure. I got out of there, that was me getting out of there.

I said, what time is it?

It is that time. Funny you should ask, Mark. It's time for my favorite part of the show, Prize Picks. That is hilarious. All right, the NBA Finals are over. The New York Knicks are still your NBA champions.

That's true.

Uh, we sold the most merch, we had the most people at our parade, we had the highest point differential, and we're the only team in history to end the playoffs Bills number 1 in offensive rating and number 1 in defensive rating. Stop playing with us. Uh, but there's still other sports that you guys could indulge in. Yo, and speaking as a fan of a championship team, I gotta tell you, the offseason feels so different. Yo, I see y'all, y'all all into the Greek freak stuff. Look at y'all.

Oh, we was talking about it. You just sitting there on your phone. Who's gonna be—

oh, where's the Greek freak? Greek Freak gonna go. Hey, guess who don't give a fuck where you go? Nick Vance. Hey, he ain't— he don't scare nothing. He ain't scared nothing. I sent it to Tatum too. They got— nobody came out. Greek Freak shit y'all talking about. Miami Heat with the Greek Freak. Yo, as more time passes, it's feeling more and more like, you know what I mean, we might have to repeat on these niggas because we ain't spinning the block on the people we was looking for. The Celtics, whoever Brad Trout out there. We want to see them niggas. We want to see them boys. We want— we looking for them. Yeah, yeah, G-Spin, we looking for them boys. Uh, Detroit, y'all know, oh, we want to see the Knicks. Hey, guess what? You will. Hey, we ain't ducking no smoke. It's the champs, nigga. Fuck y'all talking about out there? Yeah, it's Knicks summer.

Holly be back next year. Holly.

Halliburton. Oh yeah, the Pacers thought they was looking for us. I'm gonna be respectful to the Pacers fans. I was only worried about the Pacers when they had Benedict Mathurin. They traded him. I don't give a fuck about what the Pacers are talking about. I don't give a fuck about none of that. Hey, we went and did what the Pacers couldn't do, which was head out west, get our ring, and go ahead home to our families that love us, man. Halliburton, we hope you get better. That tear in the hamstring shit in Game 7, that's gotta That's almost like if Jalen Brunson would have got hurt when Wimby, uh, whatever his name is, uh, tried to break Jalen Brunson's— tried to break Jalen Brunson's ankle a few times. But you know what happens when your star player is strong? We play. We play through the pain. We don't get carted off the fucking court in a Game 7, nigga. Why you wasn't still shooting with a broke Achilles or some shit? So we now worried about the Pacers, Pistons, Celtics, Heat, or the Cavs?

Repeat, repeat time. Uh-oh, what if Bronny go to the Cavs?

Y'all not worried? No. LeBron, you mean? Don't call him Bronny.

Oh, I was confused.

Yeah, my blood pressure.

I was like, you worried? No, I wouldn't be. No, that wouldn't work.

Me. Um, but listen, there's plenty of other sports for you guys to look at. WNBA is on and popping. Uh, World Cup is rocking. I can't believe they let Norway come over here and do that whole dance in Times Square and win the game. You see that little rowboat shit? Rowing it. Yeah, they had a little rowboat shit. Them Norway niggas try to do— the Norwegians, they got it off though. Well, they won. I mean, I can't say nothing. Messi broke the record. There's the World Cup, there's baseball, Homeboy won the Masters. Damn, what's his name won the Masters? Dude that won in 2023.

Y'all don't give a fuck.

Oh no, no, no, sorry.

Anyway, it's a lot going on. So let me give you the ish picks of the week. Not before I explain how this works. Pick 2 or more players, look at their projected stat line and pick more or less for your chance to win big. I don't have a read to get through because Prize Picks, as you guessed, is still counting NBA money. So the ish loser picks of the week, ish is going with, with Angel Reese for more than 11.5 rebounds, Camila Cardoso for more than 13.5 points, and Caitlin Clark for more than 8.5 assists. Don't forget to download PrizePicks right this very second and use promo code JBP to get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup only on PrizePicks, the official partner of the NBA. So now in Walk back time. I do want to walk back my opinion on B2K versus Pretty Ricky. I'm taking it all back. Really? I'm walking it all, walking it all the way back. I think B2K might get dog walked on that stage. There you go.

No shit. I went home and thought about it.

B2K ain't got but fucking 1.5 albums. I think I forgot about that part because I was actively trying to create a single when their run was happening, when Bump Bump Bump and all that shit was going on. But they ain't got— but I mean, if you want to get out the B2K soundtrack, maybe 2 and a half albums. And Pretty Ricky has 2 albums. I think that Pretty Ricky's music— let's start— yeah, it aged. It's a lot more— much better than B2K. Yeah, so some of that shit that should have been— that, that is a slap for B2K today. Uh, Girlfriend will go, I got everything in life and I want except one girlfriend. That's gonna go. But all of these songs got that poppy feel to it. Not Pretty Ricky. Not Pretty Ricky. Nope.

All Pretty Ricky shit.

All Pretty Ricky shit sound like it could go today and will go today. It goes today. That shit sound like an H-Town record with a Lil Wayne verse. All of it. All of it. So, and then you add that to the fact that I start Pretty Ricky with 3 guaranteed points, cuz I don't think anything B2K has could beat their 3 big singles, which is My Body, which is Body, which is, uh, Hotline, and Grind With Me. What's Hotline again? Don't be stupid. You know Hotline. It's 5 in the morning. On and popping. Yeah, you can't do that. There's nothing they could do with it. So I mean, 3-zip already. Now it's gonna be a battle of, of the album cuts. And Freaky Ricky— Freaky Ricky— Pretty Ricky got a couple more joints. So I mean, yeah, I got Pretty Ricky.

Versus has become a thing of, you know, guest appearances and all of that, so they might have to go— they, they might have to go to that route. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna have to. Omarion might have to take over and start doing the features and bring out some folks I got records with to make it competitive anyway.

There's a couple of these other Pretty Ricky records I forgot about when I made my initial take. He was bugging a little bit. And this is one of them here. I wanna sex you.

Hey! Tell you about fast, fast sex.

Hey, hold up now.

Listen to the handboy beat. Listen how the mattress squeaks. I ain't stopping till I hear you scream.

And I think they perform better than B2K, so They like each other, and I think they really hate B2K. I think they hate them niggas.

I can see that. Why? If I think I'm better, we better than y'all, but y'all been getting all of y'all got all the accolades, the credit.

Yeah, for them. No, no, no, no, no, no, it was out before B2K. No, no, B2K came out in 2002, 2001, 2002. I know because I didn't have no single out. Pretty Ricky came out as I was trying to promote a single for my second album that my label was never putting out. And that's what he said. And that—

yes, I said B2K came up before them. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah, they came out first. They came out first.

Yeah. Oh, so yeah, I got 5 is B2K. Yeah, that run, '05.

So because that's when I was cold on promo tour at Florida radio stations. I went to Florida promo run, and let me tell you who was on absolute fire in Florida. Starter. Pretty Ricky. And that's before Pleasure Peak get into his bag.

Freeze, do you think that Omarion has enough to go against— like, if Omarion takes over, does he have enough to go against—

oh, if Omarion jumps in, then B2K wins, but B2K loses because Omarion jumped in. If Omarion got to jump in for B2K to beat Pretty Ricky, then y'all lost. Really?

I, I, I, I don't— okay. Omarion jumping in makes it, makes it a fight. That's how I see that, because Pleasure P got a bag of his own.

Pleasure P bag don't want none with Omarion.

I'm just saying, no, no, no, no, no. What I'm saying is if Pretty Ricky is already winning—

oh, with Pleasure P rights? Yeah, Pleasure P rights. But I gotta look at the records.

If Pretty Ricky's already winning, if we just looking at the groups, Omarion makes it competitive. Now Pleasure P's bag will still push them over the edge. That's all I'm saying. Saying. I'm not saying his one-on-one, right?

I'll be watching. I'll be watching either way. Uh, TI got in some hot water for some shit he said up here about Versus.

Yeah, yeah, he called me and said, Flip, what did I say? Did I say this? I said, yeah, you did.

Oh, is that why they texted me asking me for the video?

Yeah, yeah, I said it's on Patreon. He said, man, I don't know how to work Patreon. I said, let me send you a screen recorded.

And then, you know, yeah, when he said Versus was for poor people, but he went on TMZ and explained it. He said it was poor people activity.

What was his response?

He said, yeah, I had a few drinks up there at the Joe Budden podcast, which is true. It happens.

I saw it. And he said it live, like, can I get another drink? Yeah, did he drink that top-shelf rum I gave him? Yeah.

No, no, never. Nobody drank the nephew's.

Nah, more, you didn't touch that. No, because that would explain it. No, it'd have been worse. Why you buy that bullshit liquor here and got all the good liquor at your house?

I thought I was— so I, I know about whiskey and shit like that, but like rum, to me, I always grew up just buying Bacardi, which is a smart move. Yeah, just buy Bacardi. But then when y'all clown me so— particularly you, Parks— clown me so much about buying Bacardi, I looked on the list. They only had two kinds. It was Bacardi, which I knew, and was it Nephew? Ray and Nephew. Ray and Nephew, the Jamaican shit. Yeah. Yes. And the Ray and Nephew— who bought that? Hell, me. Mark did. But he said it was 2 times the size. That shit is straw. That shit was like fucking lighter fluid. But here's the thing, yeah, the Ray and Nephew cost twice as much as the Bacardi. So, you know, being a bird, I was like, hey yo, I ain't gonna lie, that looked like some shit that'd be in— yo, are you fucking crazy? It costs twice as much as the Bacardi. During COVID in Jamaica, niggas was cleaning their body with this shit. Like, in the airport. When I went there, they opened it, 'cause it's a red. No joke.

Tell the damn airport.

That shit tastes like when I used to steal liquor out my parents' liquor cabinet. Yeah.

The bottle looked like that. Yeah, it do, bro. That shit's like Everclear type shit.

That's strong. I don't drink like that. I just saw it, so I was like, it costs more. It must be better.

There is good rum. Rums.

What is the rum that people should be buying and what makes a good rum?

Because it sounds like an ad, so I'm not gonna—

I know about like Jamaican rums and like, uh, you know, like rums from other places, but like when I just go to the store, I just buy what's there because it's Bacardi.

Bacardi's not the end of the world, but—

Oh, now see, it's better than that.

Okay, I'll go back, I'll go back.

As long as you're not getting like— I feel like you had like Bacardi Raz or some shit like that. Bacardi Limón.

I'm not a fucking 22-year-old girl in the '90s. I mean, that might be it.

The other problem with Mona going to that store is I got a good guess in my mind as to how much money she makes every month. And at that number, you can't go to Delaware no more, Mona. You have to move from Delaware. I said that when I seen her story one time and she was just filming out the window.

I was like, oh, you can live in Delaware, just maybe not where she lives in Delaware.

Here's the problem, she live in a good spot. The way she explained it to me was When you, when you live in there, at a certain time, all you go one way is you in center, you in downtown, other way you in the hood. And then the, and then the good part, everything shuts down like 4 or 5 o'clock. So you want something, even like a bag of chips, you gotta go the other direction. I don't believe it.

That's how they keep good people in the good part.

No, that's how they keep crime down. I'm deadass. If everything shut down at 9 o'clock, you have no reason to be outside.

You won't have an excuse. Your town. What you doing here? No, in your town, right? Everything used to shut down at—

yes, at 9 o'clock at night. You had no reason. That's true. Ain't no gas stations open. You can't even say, yo, I'm going to get gas, officer.

And if they see you all around there—

hey, shout out to Mona for holding it down though, for being mature. 1,000%. Way mature. More mature than me. I love Mona for that. Not a lady, but a man. Oh my God, nigga, you talking to me like that and somebody might be recording? You tore that whole shit up. But no, shout out to my— I really I like how she handled it. I really think that's a good point. The camera shit, not just with Mona in general though, camera shit will make you do shit you wouldn't amplify. You almost can't back down. You don't want to be embarrassed one way or the other.

Or the camera shit could make you feel a little bit more mindful and say, you know what, I gotta chill because I got shit to lose, right? Sometimes the camera reminds you of that. Yeah, like, you know what, can't do it.

But you can't take an L on camera. Who you saying goodbye to? To? You bitch-ass nigga, who you—

who you saying goodbye to?

I don't understand.

Who you saying— who is this to? No, sometimes it's hard not to go to the store where they killing us at. Sometimes it's hard not to go to that block where them niggas got the machetes. Hey, all you gotta do is play this song in your head and picture the people closest to you crying up a storm, and it'll change your whole thought process. Hey, if you do that, you won't go to Delaware no more. Hey, if you listening to this broadcast from Delaware, leave now. Get out of there. Ain't nothing there for you.

No taxes. Like that, that Rehoboth Beach and all that.

I'm not listening to you. There's nothing there.

That shit is not Wilmington. It's cool. It's not that cool shit.

I'm never going to Delaware. They're going to call you, Joe. Never going to call me for what? The mail. Somebody know how much shit I turned in? I would turn down a trip to Delaware and a New York second. I'm not going to Delaware for nothing unless I'm— that little Waffle House on my way down south, I'll stop over there. But stopping in Delaware for something, it's a, it's a while.

Yeah, yeah, it's Maryland.

He did the same thing. The mayor called as soon as you get there too.

See, that's how they— even the Waffle House know that, yo, stop right in the beginning. Like, if you keep going win.

It ain't for you. Get it right here.

I seen something on, um, something going around, uh, last week on, on Instagram. They was doing, uh, if all the hoods in New Jersey did like a warrior style hand-to-hand combat with all the hoods in New York City, who wins? And the consensus was that New Jersey would absolutely dog walk all of them New York hoods, partly because there's barely any real true hoods remaining in New York. Like they were saying with gentrification, like how many places are you telling somebody, yo, you shouldn't go over there in New York? Nah, they going wherever the fuck they feel like it, with the exception of maybe 6 places. Yeah, 7 places.

It ain't like it used to be.

Yeah, it ain't like that. It ain't like— however in New Jersey. It's a lot of that shit. It's still quite a few of those. I just thought it was interesting. I never thought about it, but now that I think about it, yeah, I ain't never got beat up by nobody from New York at all.

They cleaning up, they cleaning up Jersey.

Never, never, never. No, never. No, never. It's never happened.

Really? Yes. Okay. This nigga's a dick, yo.

Oh, I mean, when it was—

I'm letting you live. I see what you—

oh no, have I gotten Hit by people in New York? Of course. But have I gotten beat up from somebody in New York? That's never happened. Got you. That's never happened. Got you.

Oh man, if there's a— if there's— so if there's a beef, a warrior-style battle between New York and New Jersey, you riding with Jersey?

Are you asking me who I think would win?

No, no, what side you— what side would you be on?

The winning side.

Oh, so where you think the gangsters went that was in New York?

Where you think they at?

Atlanta, Charlotte, Atlanta.

There's a lot of niggas in Atlanta.

Charlotte, DC, Atlanta. Uh, some of them went to Florida. Oh no, no, they're not as good.

Brownsville, Benson. I just came from Brownsville. I just came from— are you on that Mona time?

Yes. No, Mona was on the flip time.

Yeah, I'm not arguing with anybody on camera. Shout out to Mona, man. I fuck with Mona.

Yo, you do a whole theatric scene when you about to get beat up somewhere you shouldn't be. Like, you walk to your car, take your watch off, pop the glove compartment, close it, tell OG that's walking you, nah, nah, nah, it's cool, it's cool, leave him, I ain't gonna do nothing to him. You do a whole movie when you know—

Bino was there. Shout out to Bino.

Shout out to Bino too.

Bino was there, he was whispering, Flip, let it go. But his Here's the thing, I've learned my lesson being outside in Brooklyn 3 in the morning with a chain on a mothergassing when they pulled it off my neck. I learned being out there thirsty, doing what I wasn't supposed to do, playing around, family out, I mean, at home playing around, nigga. To get right, yeah, I'm not playing. So you gotta be theatrical because even when they pulled it off my neck and I was yelling, 'cause I had a friend with me, I was yelling, they didn't care about none of that shit. Them niggas came outta Dodge, them niggas came outta minivan. They didn't care.

Brooklyn, another place I don't go. I don't go. And boy, the party scene be looking nice. And some of the best— some of the best food, some of the greatest food I see on socials is right there in Brooklyn. I hit a double tap and scroll away from that little lobster mac and cheese. Have you ever had a dumbo? I'm cool, huh?

Did you have a dumbo run when you were going to Dumbo?

One time and one time only. I ain't playing all of that Come on, Joe. Oh please, niggas, I know a layup outside of Dumbo. Wait for all you stupid niggas to come right outside. No, they won't. Yes, they will. Shit, I hear you. Yeah, no, I'm cool. Y'all can have Brooklyn. Even when I called B-Dot for his, uh, esthetician who in Brooklyn, I called for the, for the home fee. Hey, how much it cost for you to leave there and come to Jersey? Because I'll pay it. Yeah, I'll pay. I'm not going to Brooklyn. It's cool. No Brooklyn at all for Nothing.

No, I ain't even like that no more, especially most of the parts.

It depends on what part. It don't matter. You go to a show— when I used to run around and chase pussy, a lot of it was in Brooklyn. And to the people out there that identify with that, they feel me. They feel me. I don't care that they changed it. I used to go to Brooklyn for pussy and the roughest shit.

You ain't got no shit.

Fuck MLK, you be on Marcus Garvey.

Yo, look, this is—

question. You had to print this shit out.

What?

Had to print your shit out.

You riding around the map question. Map question. Hey yo, shorty, it's a football team on your block. What she tell you?

No, they like my brothers. Don't worry about it. They don't do nothing. Brooklyn niggas always outside.

That nigga was in Bensonhurst risking it all, boy. I've been over That's funny.

That's a good fucking joke. It is. It is.

It was cool. It was cool. Oh, wait, where y'all want to go? Don't let me catch that joke. Since we done—

Don't let me catch it. Catch the joke. I'm out the joke, but don't let me catch it.

It wasn't for you. It's white people on baseball.

Russians. He's talking about the Russians.

I thought it was somebody that we knew. No, no, no, no, no. You good, you good.

All right, was there anything else in music that needed our attention or didn't need our attention that we're going to give it attention anyway?

Well, it's not a music per se, but Meek Mill, uh, was—

I see it on the board. Meek with another tweet, man.

Let me, let me read the Meek tweet, man. Meek is guaranteed to give you one, yo. Hold on, I got it.

One thing for certain, y'all gonna always report on a Meek tweet. They're usually pretty— they're great. They're absolutely great. We never get follow-up, which is why I be mad. Like, he come to— he come to Twitter, he say what he and we never hear nothing about it again, and we come in the pod, we clown, and then that's the end. I want to know if he got progress.

Meek tweeted, I need a doctor in AC. I messed my hand up, it may be fractured. Yeah, I'm good, but I might need a soft cast. Anybody that could help me? That's hilarious. What time was it? Uh, it's a good question. Important question. Yeah, uh, no, 6:41 PM on a hot Saturday.

Yeah, pretty early.

So Atlantic City.

So I guess this is what I don't understand, and I, I love Meek and I think it's a fair question. You don't understand. I understand that people hurt their hand. I understand that people need soft casts, right? I would assume you'd go to the hospital or urgent care.

At best, I might go to Walgreens or something and just grab—

if I could just get around, get something to hold me over for right now. So I think I don't get what he was looking for because I mean, if I know that— I mean, all of us know to look at those places. Was he— was that like code for something?

No, but it could be a— now I understand it. It looks a little more complicated. Like, if you're a local, you know it could be a shitty hospital and it could be the good hospital. So niggas on your timeline would be like, yo, don't go over there to blah blah blah. 'You going to be in the emergency room for 7 hours. They be killing niggas over there. Go to this hospital.' That makes sense to me.

So that's a possibility.

It all makes sense. Although there's nothing that's a good hospital in Atlantic City.

Okay, there's nothing.

There's very few good things in Atlantic City.

Maybe that's why he tweeted it now, cuz he might know. That's true. Me being AC alive.

They fixed up AC, didn't they? They fixed AC?

No, no, no, there's absolutely zero reason to be in Atlantic City. If I sit here long enough If I could give y'all a list of hundreds of places not to be nowhere. Yeah, you don't need to be at all.

Atlantic City is one of them, nigga. People move from Atlantic City and go to Delaware. Yes, go to Delaware.

My dad was like, they dead at this little timeshare. He was mad. They kicked their ass right out of Atlantic City.

Yeah, unless you gambling, you don't need to be in Atlantic City.

You gambling if you in Atlantic City. That's a fact. With more than— with something. You gambling with something. Goddamn. Well, I hope Meek found the proper— yeah, get right, Karen.

But I'm glad you cl— because that's the thing, a lot of time people clown Meek for shit and what he says actually makes sense. You— it just need— he just doesn't sometimes explain the reason why he's asking.

Yo, one thing you going to do, shoot a Philly nigga some L.

He going to ride for them Philly niggas.

Cuz I mean, I think you could also just like ask whoever you're there in AC with.

They might not be from AC, fam. You could ask somebody in AC or somebody that you, you got somebody to talk to. He can ask thousands of people that follow.

Yeah, true. I get it. Yeah. Why are we talking about late night activity? Yeah, this Brandon Marshall thing, I think it's interesting. I have mixed feelings on it. What happened? So Brandon Marshall made a post on social media where he's showing him forcing his son to run at 2 AM. As a— how does this son? Uh, how was the kid?

Uh, uh, how was it? Yeah, I don't know.

Did y'all see him?

Like, how did he look?

Well, yeah, it was on video.

Looking at his height, it's hard because Brandon Marshall's a big guy, so it's hard for me to know. Okay, I don't want to— I don't know, that's all the internet will focus on is the wrong age. But he was young, and, and I want to say like 10, but I could be wrong, you know what I mean? Just looking at him real fast. But as— and he posted it and said, you know, this is not my friend, it's my son, uh, and I'm teaching him to be a warrior, you know, I'm teaching him discipline. There's a punishment for something, and the kid very clearly didn't want to be running at 2 AM. Nobody wants to be running at 2 AM except like Rocky, right?

So he about to be 11. He about to be—

oh damn, I got it nailed it. Okay, so, um, he want— he didn't want to be running. And so the internet is in an uproar, uh, they said that this is child abuse. Here we go. That this is not healthy parenting, etc., etc., etc. And I want to know what y'all thought about it. I have mixed feelings about it. Um, what is the mixed feelings? I would— I don't think we should physically beat our children, right? Yeah. So imposing discipline that are alternatives to physical— physically beating your children seem— would make sense, right? Uh, there's a point where where the physical punishment or the physical exercise could be nowhere. For example, if, if you spank your kid and I say I'm not gonna spank my kid, I'm gonna have him do 1,000 push-ups. Same. Yeah, I mean, like, I'm not sure that that's better. I'm not saying that's what this is, I'm just saying. Right. So I don't want to say that just because you didn't spank them, that makes it— yeah, I know, but here's my point. I'm saying I don't, I don't want to assume that just because you're not spanking them, that just that any exercise is like an acceptable alternative.

I'm conflicted on whether you should have your son do that or not. I actually— I don't feel good or bad about it. The thing I have issue with, the thing that I would not have done, is put on social media. I don't like the public shaming of it, you know what I mean? I can't say I won't have my son run at 2 AM. I might. I mean, you can make a case to me for why I shouldn't, and you might persuade me, because again, I'm on the fence about it. But I think when we discipline our kids and put on Instagram, I think— I think to me that's the part that I don't like, because it feels like a little bit like there's a humiliation that comes with Was it a disciplinary thing? Yeah. Oh yes. So, so yeah, it wasn't like I want you to be a good runner. Oh okay, it was like you didn't— I told you, save your brother some syrup, that type of shit.

Got it.

Normally I'd be— I'm, I'm against the whole put it on Instagram, put it on social media shit, but today, and that's why I asked, yeah, that's what matters to them, to the children. So it's like I gotta— I almost gotta affect you in your world. I gotta, I gotta put this out there in the world where it matters to you.

Is that different than our mom was coming to school and beating us at the school? Nope, it's the same, same thing. And again, I didn't like that either for the same reason.

I'm not, I'm not— again, I wouldn't necessarily— I wouldn't have the kid run personally. I still would discipline the child, but I'm not against putting it on social media so it affects your world.

Got you.

I wouldn't do the running part Right, but whatever you decide, you know better than anybody.

Like, here we go. I couldn't find this shit.

10 years, 5 years from now.

Hold up, Mark. Oh, sorry.

LA, Santa Monica, running at midnight on the pier. We wanted to do that, we love to do that. And then there's correction, then there's discipline. You're walking, run, run. Discipline, correction is good. Even 2 in the morning, we run. You don't— I'm got to put my hands on on you. But I'm training you up to be a warrior. I'm training you up to be a leader, to serve, to have discipline, to be better than me.

Run! Run!

Let's go! If you don't start running, we're gonna go 3 miles. So you better start running because you don't know when I'm gonna tell you to stop. You don't want to listen? We run, we work.

2 in the morning, he's in the car driving beside him.

Yeah, you should be going at 8 or 9 miles per hour right now.

Go!

All the way to the gas station, which is 3 miles.

The far one too, the far gas station, nigga, not the close one. Tell them, Brandon.

I'm at 5, I'm at 6. There we go, now we Moving, run, discipline.

See, that's the tough part about being a girl dad, like waking up.

I'm not opposed to it.

Wait, huh? Can't do that. Waking her up, getting out the bed. Come on, little Miss Mommy, you didn't listen.

Come on, run, run, work. 8 miles an hour.

Come on, I got all these girl dads here. Hey, come on, man, what y'all think about this?

I'm not opposed close to it. I think that, um, we're just in the age where any type of disciplinary action is going to draw some level of criticism.

Like, um, I thought he was gonna make some jokes. About what?

We're not gonna wake our daughters up to run. That's one too. I agree with this .

Let's make some jokes about this .

Acting like he was crazy. You know what my mom did to me, boy? See, that don't bother me. You know what I got? Why? People look at me— He's not being punished.

No, he wanted to quit. He's like, no, you can't quit.

Yeah, but I mean, you're training somebody. That's what any trainer would do. I'm saying like, I'm okay with that. I get it. But he's training. That's what he's doing. But there's a— the difference for me, again, I don't— I'm conflicted about the particular choice. I think that's up to him as a parent, right? Because I don't think that that's— I don't think that's abusive. I just think it's just a question of what you like. For me it's the social media part of it. That's the part I don't like. Because when your mom come and beat you at the school, which I also think is awful for all the reasons— embarrass you— it's, it's to embarrass you. Yes. And for the rest of the school year, you kind of was that dude who got his ass beat at school, right? Yeah. The problem is the internet, it never goes away. If I do something at 8, I'm 17 and it's still there. I'm running for president.

Until they call you the King of New York and you put the crown on top of your 'cause y'all just won the national champ— because y'all just won the championship, the NBA championship, and now people look back and call your father an amazing person because he pushed you at 1 o'clock in the morning, 2 o'clock in the morning, 3 o'clock in the morning.

He wasn't being humiliated in that video. Yes, it wasn't, it wasn't fun. He was being pushed.

I think there's a difference. Wasn't nice. He wasn't being humiliated neither.

He saying run. No, he's making— he's in a truck riding next to him telling him if I just truck get— I mean, come on, bro. Yo, you don't think people— we laughed just now. Before your mom, before your mom came up to the school and beat beat you. How many times did she talk to you?

No, you showed out in the school.

Yeah. How many times did she warn you?

Yeah, you got to show this.

You are embarrassing me. You know, they can learn these things in this house. We have manners in this house. We have respect in this house. And once you step outside this house, you are embarrassing me, your father, your family, and thinking that people— let me give you this—

we raised you like that. I was disrespectful to my mom and I gave trouble. She definitely didn't make you right. I had to walk on the Belt Parkway Nigga, I didn't want to listen. Yes, on the side I did. I was disrespectful. All right, you disrespecting me, your father not here. All right, nigga, I don't care. She told me before I went to school. Nigga, throwing rocks off the roof into ongoing traffic, you could kill somebody. Exactly. Like, my issue ain't the walk. Again, I'm talking about the social media part. That's the only thing I'm taking issue with right now.

You have to— I think with any kind of discipline, you have to find what matters to that kid, and it has to affect them there. That's the way you get through to them. Like, whether it be— I got a family member where their moms made them wear the exact same clothes to school for a week because all they cared about was how they look. Yeah. So now I'm gonna make you wear the same outfit for the week, you know what I'm saying? It's whatever. Matt, with me, when I— the first time I came home with Fs, which was freshman year, I'm gonna take your electronics. They, they came and took all my music, all that shit. Give me that Walkman. Give me all your shit. No more Master P for you.

All your shit.

But, but again, but you have to— you gotta— that's what Today with our kids, as soon as they fuck up, give me the iPad.

The iPad. What year was this, Freeze? I don't necessarily agree with that.

Freshman year of school. Let me ask you a question. I'm not trying to argue. What disciplinary action do you deem okay? If I can't take your iPad away from you because that's what you cherish, so this is a form of punishment that I'm going to get a response that I want to get from you. What type of—

He agrees with it. He just said he don't agree with it. The humiliation part. That's all he said.

He said, I don't agree with the iPad.

I said, I don't necessarily agree with that. And the reason I'm saying necessarily is because, um, they got PBS and shit on there. Well, yeah, you can't take my PBS. It's my Kindle. Um, it's because— and I did— we did this with my daughter, uh, when she was a teenager. We took away her iPhone as a punishment. We took it for like 3 months. It's good. No, but the problem is, when we were growing up, saying you can't have the phone meant you couldn't use the phone. Phone. When you take away somebody's phone now, that's often— these kids don't go outside. You're taking away all social access. You're taking away all the— it's a bigger punishment. True. Then— so I'm not saying you can never take the phone away. I'm just saying when you, when you take the phone, it's not the same. Saying something— you can't, you can't use your phone is different than saying you can't have access to any social media. You can't have access to— you can't call us in the case of emergency. The stakes are just higher. But my point, again, just real quick, our ages was 6, 7, 8, and 10.

Yeah, they don't have phones. The iPads are only used in the house.

So it's not the same thing. I'm not criticizing any of y'all individual's parents. I'm just saying, as we think about the punishment, sometimes they have to be bigger. Because what we found with my daughter was when we took away her iPhone, which is different than the iPad admittedly, um, it wasn't— it was a much bigger punishment than we expected. We didn't realize how isolated she was from her friends. We didn't realize how— and it actually created more problems than we expected because of the length of it, the punishment.

Oh yeah, you about to say you went 3 months though. That's what I'm saying. You, you don't go that long. Like, we— you, you go an appropriate amount of time just to let you know what it's like. You can't access your friends, but it's hard. You don't want to lose that access again, so do what the fuck you're supposed to do.

Now here's the thing, guys, just, just to use this— I, I don't think my daughter will be able— I think my daughter— let me not use the example. I don't want to say because she's an adult now and I want her to make her right, right, right, right. Got it. But the punishment that we The first punishment wasn't 3 months. First punishment was 3 days, then it was a week, then it was a month. Then she snuck and used it anyway, you know what I'm saying? And at some point it's like, do these punishments work? Um, finding a punishment that works, I'm good with. I finally— I hear your point about you got to find something to care about. Everybody cares about not being humiliated, everybody cares about not being embarrassed. But to me, just because you don't want to be embarrassed doesn't mean that, that embarrassing them should be the punishment. That's— I, I struggle. I just struggle with that. And especially on social media, because again, everything lives forever, bro.

Again, they call him Rick Brunson, a genius.

But he wasn't being—

there was criticism for how hard he was training him. He wanted to quit. He's like, no, you're not quitting. No, I think it was— I think, correct me if I'm wrong, I think the mother— his mother was there or something and was like, no, let him go. And he's like, no. So again, yo, punishment is punishment. What you call overtraining somebody and what Brandon Marshall was calling training low-key, when you look and his son is a, a, a, a fucking All-American first wide receiver picked in the draft, people gonna go back to be like, yo, that is what training looks like. I get what you're saying, Ish. The results may be the same, but the, the overtraining and punishment are two totally different things. They're not even close. One is being— one is a result of an action. True. He— Brandon Marshall made him do this. Now, he might train him regularly, cool. We talking about this particular video. Brandon Marshall is running with him. He's in the truck, got the kid running because of something he did, right? So this ain't just your—

that's why he's doing it at 2 AM, right?

And the Rick Brunson case, I, I want to say that it was under the premise of, at any time if you don't want to be a basketball player, say that and we'll never do this again.

But if you want to be a basketball player, you gotta come—

you have to— but if you want to be a basketball player, yeah, this is what we're doing, right?

That's different than I'm punishing you for an action that you did.

I mean, We doing all this hootin' and hollerin' because of some non-physical punishment?

It is a physical punishment. He's not being beat. That's true. It's still physical. You're making somebody run 3 miles. The physical— it's a physical punishment.

3 miles. He just threatened him saying, I'm gonna make you run.

Okay, running 3 blocks is a physical punishment. No, it's just not— it's not intentional.

Let me ask you a question. No, it's literally—

no, no, this is just a definition. If I ask you to do something physical as a punishment, it's a physical punishment.

Well, whether I make you do the chair on the wall It's a physical punishment. Yeah, hold the books in front of your hands. It's a physical punishment.

When we say physical punishment, we're talking about physical abuse. Yeah, but I don't think you making your kid run 3 blocks or a mile is necessarily abusive.

I don't either. Oh, okay. I think it can be. Again, my point is, though, putting it on the internet— my issue is the internet part of it, you know? I'm with that too. Like, like, there are ways to— because, all right, Brandon Marshall and I are in the same fraternity, right? And I know, which is why I think it's really interesting thing that he's doing it this way, right? Because there's a long theory that the only way to enter a fraternity is by beating people in. And then other people say, well, there's other ways to impose physical discipline to create brotherhood other than physically beating people, calisthenics being one of them. So I, I'm with Brandon on that. I'm a— I, I don't have an issue with that. I think, again, let parents decide what they want to do with— as long as it's not abusive, right? I just think that when you humiliate people— and I think the internet runs the risk of creating humiliation for people.

There's lesson in humiliation though. Yo, it's, it's major. Some people said that I bugged out for coming on, on air in front of all these people and telling my story about Dre. I can feel completely opposite. I'm on the total other side of that. There's a lesson to learn that you didn't get from all the other places, so let's try it this way. And as it turns out, hundreds of people— you done told me all week people coming up to me just knocking sense to me. So I mean, there's a difference.

There's a difference in what I think you're trying to say is when you bring it to the internet and social media, it never dies, it never goes away. So Trey could be 50 years old and somebody could still come back and bring this story up and play this and throw it in your face.

And you're also telling the story of it. What if you had the Nest footage of him getting the beats, right? Would you, would you put that on— would you put that— would you have put that on Patreon? No. Right. So, but if it comes up, if someone did— let's say the guy put it up— that would live forever. And that would be far— I think the value of that would far outstrip— like, which— what he got from that, the value this week has been great. You told the story. He's also an adult. But you told the story. He got the lesson. Cool. But if the video were to go up, I think it's less— I think they're the same fruit more than Jalen Brunson. My point is the physical image of somebody being Being punished is humiliation.

We can't possibly— I'm sorry, go ahead, Flip.

I just want to ask a question to Mark. So what do you say to the parents that exhausted all their resources in order to discipline a child and nothing happens? What do you say to that parent? I don't think there's ever such a thing as exhausting all your resources. Yes, there is. I think we all— I think we all— I don't believe— Why do you think military school is the last option? I think it's the last option people choose. There are other things that could be done. I'm not saying they're wrong. Again, what I'm saying is, is that oftentimes before we do something physical, we always say we've done everything else we could do. Yeah, that's true. And I'm saying that there are often other ideas, other resources, other things we can do besides that thing. I'm not saying that that particular thing could be— is necessarily wrong. Again, if you want to send your kid to military school and you think that's the choice, have at it. I'm— that's not my issue.

So you can't beat your kid, you can't make your kid run a block, and you can't put your kid's punishment on the internet?

I didn't say you can't make your kid run. That we keep saying that and then arguing it back. He said, make your kid run. I'm saying just don't videotape it. That's what he's saying. Yo, Joe, he just told the story of making his kid run.

I would have been fine with it if Joe would have showed a tape of Trey getting beat up by a guy. That's nowhere near the same as me having my son run some blocks. We're not gonna make them parallel.

I didn't say they were parallel. You're missing my point. The parallel, the parallel is the fact that the video lives forever.

That's I understand. And so in— when he— 20 years from now, if Trey getting his ass whooped by some stranger whose porch he stepped on, it's going to be viewed totally different than me making my son run as a form of punishment 3 or 4 blocks down the street. They are not the same in any way, shape, or form.

You're talking about on video? That's not humiliation. Yes, on video. On video. That's not humiliation.

I also don't believe in the whole way if you do something online And it lives forever. As a nigga that be looking for the doofy shit niggas was doing in 2014, it's tough to find. Yeah, it can be. Some people got money, they'll go, they'll go and do the shit where you will never see none of this.

There's a kid right now, remember the kid whose dad gave the George Jefferson haircut? Yes, yes. He said, you wanna act like a grown man, I'm gonna make you treat you like a grown man, and cut the kid's hair back to look exactly like George Jefferson. The kid was like 12. That meme still pops up right now. Down 20 years later. The kid is fucking 30. But it's part of— it's part of growing up though. I think that's success.

For me, in closing, this is my take. I'm not telling it— I'm not saying it for it to be your take. I'm not telling nobody how to raise their kids. I don't and have never hit my kids. I'm not into that. Same. My kids— my kids also learn slower than me. Maybe as a result, same thing, they don't learn it as fast as I learned it with all of this gentle parenting shit. This shit don't work. My mom took that yellow belt out. All she had to do was say, I better fix up. Yo, yeah, my mom off the threat, off the look.

What about the piss?

My mom used to say, I'm coming up to the school.

Yo, when the principal called my mother, my mother be like, I'ma get you. Yeah. And I knew to go home, put long johns on, sweatpants on, some other shit, and put my jeans on top.

I was so— and go to sleep and hope she don't wake you up. When the teacher or the principal, he's, I'm calling your mother.

And they knew what time it was. The teacher and principal knew what was happening.

We are in class now. I gotta go home, take the fucking phone off the hook on the sneak tip. You know how much shit I gotta do? I gotta change the answer machine. Pull the wire. Unplug. One time I think I answered and was a parent, like I was a dad. Yo, you had a deep voice when you was young? No. Nah, nigga, I used to do— I used to forge signatures, anything to not let these teachers know, or not let mama know. Yeah, nah.

That's back when they had the old answering machines too.

Yeah, you had the Rwanda tape. Take that Rwanda motherfucker back. Nah, I used to fuck it up. I used to put a whole new tape in there because I'd fuck it up. I'd be done, erase half of it, then the other half come on. Nah, we putting a whole new tape.

Delete that number off the call ID box. Word.

I might even change the machine one time. Yo, this is— yo, Joe Budden don't have a parent. Yo, if you're looking for a parent of Joseph Anthony Budden, he's raising himself. And if you take that into consideration, he's doing a pretty good Anyway, Mark, yeah, we making these kids run and we beating them and we putting them online, nigga. Take that shit to the cult. Take that shit up there with Janis Joplin, Barry Manilow, and them niggas. Bruce Springsteen. What's your favorite 3 Janis Joplin songs? I don't have 3. Yeah, shit.

What does that have to do with anything?

Talking shit. Yeah, they flip—

they were, they were clowning Clive Davis earlier before you got— Bobby, he passed away. Yeah, he died yesterday. Yeah, I know that, but what, what do you mean they were clowning him? Well, in fairness, we were comparing him to Barry Gordy and just saying who had the biggest, like, uh, impact, impacted, or— and like talent development and talent finding people's— who they said— I said Clive Davis, and they were— the right answer is Barry Gordy.

Yeah, Barry Gordy.

But you can listen to the first—

the white answer is Clive Davis. I got you.

What else is important? Important, unimportant, what else needs our attention?

Oh, I want to send— I meant to send you this clip, Joe, of Neo and his girlfriend. Okay, all right, okay.

Shout out to Neo. Neo's still a friend of the show even though I don't like not one of them country songs he putting out.

You don't like his country?

Not one of them. Who get 3 girlfriends and say, you know I'm going country.

Why you don't like it though? You don't like that he's doing it, or you don't like how it sounds?

I don't like the song. He could do whatever he wants. I just don't like it.

It don't sound good. How it sounds, you say?

Yeah, it's not for me. It ain't for me.

I'm cool. So one of, one of Neil's girlfriends— like Garth Brooks? No. One of Neil's girlfriends was on, um, an interview. I think she was live, and one of the fans sort of asked like how he divides his time amongst them, or how he— how they spend time together. And she offered her explanation. Oh, I thought they were over there. All of you three at the same time. Okay, you figured it.

It's got a big house. So what he's done recently, he'll just like see how long he's gonna be gone for.

Furniture would help. Then he'll just break it up into parts.

Um, so yeah, that's what's going on at the moment. He was left with the hard work.

Munchie was left with the hard work. Yeah, okay, so you have to sit through all the, all the, all the messiness of the clip. He's like, you get these days, you get these days. Days, you get these days, and then we just schedule it.

It's all about scheduling. Wait for our days.

They got a spreadsheet. It's all about scheduling. I thought if you had 3 girlfriends— this sounds like way more work and less fun than I would have imagined having 3 girlfriends. I thought if you had 3 girlfriends, you would get rugs.

Yo, you get what? I didn't even see the video, but I can hear that there's no rugs.

There's not a single rug in in that apartment.

They definitely bought the furniture up 3 ways. Yeah, like, same time of the week with the couch, right? The 1st through the 14th. I, I don't— I've never had 3 girlfriends at the same time like this, but this don't sound fun. This sounds like more work you got to do, like, because you— everything you do on the first— you never had 3 girlfriends at the same time? I said like this, where everybody knows they the girlfriend.

We're not asking no brothers. Yo, don't Don't say that no more to me.

What you were saying? I watched the show, I heard what he said.

Don't say that no more.

I don't need to respond. I mean, yeah, I don't need to respond. The truth— no, the thing is, he knows. Oh, he knows who? Yeah, he just plays dumb. Well, he knows how to be obtuse, just like he did with that running shit. He just— he's playing dumb for y'all. Oh, so he know. Okay, the truth is worse. So when he said that, how can Mark possibly be an Eskimo brother to me, you saying that he—

I don't see it. He was fully aware.

You wouldn't. Ego's a , man. So just drink your coffee and move on to the show. Let's get back to Neo.

Um, so y'all little mm now just sound like y'all ass cheeks whistling when y'all do it together.

Hey, y'all shouldn't make no noise.

That was them. Oh, now what you gonna say?

Now I'll take it back. He's gonna put me over there. This guy's crazy.

3 girlfriends. Yeah, so what do you make? I mean, you, you got insight on this?

It sounds like a headache.

I don't have an insight. I'm married. I don't have— no, I meant in some Neo— you're a pop culture Um, I mean, I don't think it's that difficult once they all on the same page. I don't know what the pop culture— Every time y'all look, y'all gonna distract me. Whatever he say, let me answer first. Why are you so worried about—

I don't give a fuck. That was a distraction in itself.

Yeah. I don't know. Listen, if your 3 girlfriends are on the same page and they know what's going on, it shouldn't be that difficult. I think it makes things 3 times easier. You said 3 times harder. What's the schedule? You coming into one place—

They all know what's up. They all know what's up.

They're coming into one unfurnished living room.

We having a hoopla. In my mind it was just, you got 3 girls, y'all fucking all the time, you over here, you over here, you two. You think it from— you thought it was something like, yo, you hiding it.

They all know you is, and you Islamic, so, and, and your faith, you could have up to 4, right? I would never want that. I'm just saying you could. That sounds like a fucking bird. Everybody gotta have equal shit.

Yeah, yeah, that sounds like a— that sounds like a—

you ain't got enough time to be doing all that.

So you don't even have as many wives as your faith will allow. Don't say nothing. Do me a favor, don't say that again though. I'mma get mad.

Anyway, y'all was saying they're talking about legal marriage, like when you actually formally commit and marry somebody. I've said I wouldn't want to do that to two people.

Care to respond? No.

Okay, so again, drink your coffee. Oh, so just to let you know though, I ain't I ain't fuck her.

I ain't fuck her, yo. That was you. She might have been trying to use— she might have been trying to use me to make you feel some type of way, but letting you know, you didn't know me yet. I ain't hit. That don't mean I couldn't— I didn't respond to you yet. That don't mean I couldn't make you feel some type— yo, I got your button on my line. You could have— yeah, nigga, you could have felt some type of way. I ain't hit though. Don't believe him. No.

Back to my coffee. Yeah, thank you. Expeditiously. Hazelnut Okay, yeah, I, I think I thought like polygamy or polyamory, I always thought it was more like freewheeling and fun and wild. This just sounds like you got to manage 3 relationships.

No, anything with more than one girl is too much now, yo. Yeah, they annoying. Yeah, but when one girl— same page. Until she get annoyed, she gonna be annoying too.

Why she not gonna be annoying?

Especially if they That'll be annoying in the beginning.

She miss you.

Okay, not at the beginning, but 10 straight days for anybody is a pain in the ass.

That's why I'm only gonna do 3.

Keep swapping 10 times, I got you.

Yeah, man, I can't even imagine trying to cheat in the age of unrealistic expectations from chicks. Yeah, like, what does that even look like?

Yo, honestly speaking, I can't even imagine being being single with these expectations. Like, dog, to be single, like, certain— not everybody's expectation is not the same, so I don't want to say that. But yo, my nigga, a date is $500, could potentially be $500. You got it. Who? You. Not to be dating multiples. I got one date every 2 months, you know what I'm saying? But now that shit is crazy, like, the expectations. Relationships are just nuts. Like, I don't want— will we staying in the Bahamas? Can you imagine if all—

I just want—

I don't want to stay there. You imagine if all 3 of them were mad at you at the same time, which they probably are? That's probably a blessing.

Look, I get the fuck out the house.

Peace. That shit sound like excitement, right?

Oh, all y'all mad? You know, we need some space.

You got a problem? Yes, another piece. It's Crazy, son.

Like, yeah, I've slowed down, but I used to try to make my girl mad at least once a month just to get that freedom feeling.

How many more days you got? Yo, and you'll say that live on air is crazy.

You know that, you know. I know, I'm just saying. That's not like something anybody do. No. How many more days you got? So how y'all get your freedom week or freedom day? Never mind, I feel like I asked y'all this last part. Go downstairs. Getting honesty from y'all. Go downstairs.

My wife go out enough that I just wait for her to go. Watch the fuck about Mark. I'm serious, I love that shit. She text me today, she about to go watch some soccer game, Haiti versus somebody, some shit. I was like, go ahead.

My girl works.

My wife works as well. Mark wife getting shit off on him. No, he don't care. That's the part you missing.

He understand that.

Stop. Even if that was true, every time me bring a story. And I was like, you got to see Brazil.

It's okay, she's going with a personal trainer, she's fine. He's a good guy.

My girl tried that shit too, talk about, oh, we moving, so they came and took the mattress, so I got to go to a hotel. No, you don't. No, you don't. You tried it. She wants to put a pallet on the floor, put the sheet on the floor, lay on the dog bed, lay on the shit, put a little sheet down. Oh, hotel. I didn't even know you knew what some shit looked like. So stupid. Girl, girl, anyway, don't worry about it.

I see you this air mattress real quick.

I got you. Oh, I'm talking exactly. Oh my God, hotel. Y'all like crazy jokes, niggas. It's nuts. Go mad Imagine your girl checking into a hotel without you. I can't imagine it.

I can't imagine that. I can't imagine.

What? I can't imagine.

What? These things is crazy. Yo, nigga, sleep in the car, boy. Your girl can't stay in a hotel without you? I can't imagine it.

But listen, when it comes to— but when it comes to these topics, it's fun to— it's fun that I know that me, Flip, and Ice are crazy, and you-ish and Parks are not. That's true. That helps me when we do this on air like this. That's fair. We are nuts. No, no, me, him, and Freeze. Hops?

Like this nigga getting the hops?

He bringing out his uptown. You ain't even see it. Uptown. Come on, Joe. Uptown. Girl, please.

You still gotta use MapQuest fucking with me. You can't even find no shit, nigga. What hotel?

What? Yeah, Mr. Window would fucking survive for years without a home. You can't do a couple nights.

So in that instance, right, your girl—

yes, y'all move to California. Yes. You go there as the man to set up shop first, right? Yeah. Then she comes, right? So you want your family to come after? Of course. All right, cool. Cool. So now they, they take the moving people, come, they pack all your shit up, they put it in the truck. Where does your girl stay? Home. In the house. Where she sleep? On the air mattress.

Yeah, I have a couple of those there.

Good joint. They got this shit now with the pillows. Cost the price of a hotel for the night.

Well, they got it.

I just bought something.

They got a fridge. They got a fridge in that Range Rover. Oh yeah, it's a fridge back there. Heat. Nice and comfy. I'mma get my ass kicked. Me too.

I'mma get cursed off of this shit.

I'm getting fucked up. I risk it. Somebody segue us into like—

this nigga fucking cracking a joke about his wife, man. I'm telling the truth. Don't say that. My wife was in New York last week. I don't like that though. I don't like— she's a nice lady. She's a wonderful lady. That's why I trust her. Like, if she in New York work for the night and she got to meet me next day? I'm not coming— don't drive all the way back to the crib.

Yo, when y'all had issue on this thing together? When you invite me, nigga! No, no, no, listen, enough of the bullshit now. We playing games. Hey, that was cool.

That was fire.

Respect. Talking that shit, kicking knowledge. That's my man. Subs going all the way up. Subscribe.

But yo, you wish they gonna come over here or what? No, no, no, no, that's what we've been waiting for! No, no, no, me—

invite me up there.

Y'all have an open invitation whenever y'all want to come on.

Invite Joe Budden up here to end this thing together show so I can talk. Oh, you really?

Come on. Yes. What? I'm gonna text you.

They're going to have a blast.

You invited us, dude. We take recording Thursday.

Say less. All right, I get to ask questions back like Ish did? Yeah. Oh, okay. Whatever you want. Oh great. Yo, you better be careful with some of these questions. You want to play?

It ain't live, nigga. I'mma jump button it. Everything that make me look bad, delete. No, no, nope, nope.

That don't work. Oh my God, yo, man, that is funny.

So, yeah, you look good up there, Mark.

He killed it.

And by the way, the subs are through the roof. Check out Endless Thing Together.

Don't take a fucking sip when I compliment you, bitch. Nigga, say thank you. This nigga's such a dork.

You did it again. You were dope.

You look good up there, nigga.

Thank you, sir. You almost made Joe subscribe. Almost.

That's crazy. I'mma subscribe one of these days. One of these days. One of these days I'mma subscribe.

I like when you do that ish. I like when you go up there and just show the real you. Yeah, he killed it, yo. It really killed it though. Hey, matter of fact, let me think about it. And Flip, you're welcome too. Thank you, I appreciate it. You do couple interviews? Couple interviews? No, no, I don't. A couple. I come there a couple of times if you need me to. You want your lady one I ain't got no single out.

What you said?

Oh shit, you said— boy, I didn't hear you. Say it to my face. Say it to my face, boy.

I said Nyla don't have a single out right now.

Stop bringing up Nyla Blackman. That's my sister.

That's a friend of the show. Of course.

I'm always bringing up Nyla Blackman and all of our sisters, you know what I mean? Shout out to all of our sisters.

Oh, your sisters too?

Shit.

Nyla, Nyla has met my wife. Nyla, my wife is a fan. Nyla is amazing, and I appreciate you for allowing me bringing up— bringing her up here. That's what's up. And sharing, um, her with the world.

Thank you. All right, Mark, segue us to— segue us to something fast before a grenade go off. So we did me, girl friend, Nancy Guthrie is dead, uh, but it was an accident. But I don't understand why they were still—

why didn't they just say this like a long time ago?

Did they say this officially?

They said— I read an article in CBS News, which is fairly reputable, that they said that the ransom note and a note came 2 days later from the same IP or whatever it was, email I think it was, from the same IP address. And the second note was saying that she passed, we didn't mean for it to happen, been, but she's gone.

And this was obvious.

That's correct. So why they ain't say nothing all this time? For months? I don't know. Drag that. I mean, they have proof though, but I don't know.

This is why I'm confused. Like, why? Why? See, that's proof to me.

What?

Somebody said if the person who got him—

if the person that was supposed to be in their bedroom is not there And then the person that sent me the ransom note said, yo, we took, we took her out of there, we got up out of there.

Yeah, they're the ones that sent the ransom note. And we want millions of dollars.

Yeah, yeah, and we're gonna take that serious.

And she's no longer with us.

She's gone.

And if I look everywhere, look up, like if I say, if I was a mother, where would a mother be? Like, it's not searching everywhere. She wasn't there. Like, I'm gonna think there's some credence to these letters, that's all I'm saying. And we ain't seen her since.

Maybe, maybe this person know what they talking about.

I gotta hear how they accidentally killed Nancy Guthrie. Well, she was very old though.

Yeah, I mean, it doesn't take much to kill somebody.

Yeah, but I want to know what the accident was because they—

all right, yo, what was that? Yo, yo, what he did? Yo, this is dark.

What he did?

Yo, that was . I'm not repeating that.

Let me see.

You have to on. Rest in peace to Nancy Guthrie if she is in fact gone.

But just to be clear, Savannah still wants help finding her mom. She came on the Today Show today, uh, and said, I love you guys and I love this place. This is an unusual and unprecedented, uh, to say the least, to be sitting here. I don't have any comment on the story, the one you just mentioned, and I'm not involved in the coverage, but I can't pretend I'm not here. And so since I just want to take the opportunity to ask people to really, to beg people to come forward. Somebody knows something, and this is a new story today that's on your radar, but this is the life that my sister lives, that I live, that my brother lives, that our extended families live, that our children live every day. We are in agony. We cannot be at peace. So she's begging people to come forward to help her find her mom and to figure out what's going on.

I ain't gonna lie, if I was the kidnapper and had the mom in the back room, that speech wouldn't make me go back there, and I'm tired.

Would or would not? Would not. Oh yeah, yeah.

Nothing you just read is going to make me go back there. All right, come on, let me send you back.

Well, no, if she's gone, rest in peace. I don't want to sound insensitive, but if I'm the kidnapper and she's gone and she just passed from maybe a heart something or something, she's older, and they already have my IP address, I'm not about to risk putting myself out there to return you the body.

You if— well, the ransom note says if you give me $4 million, then I'll return the body. Did they, did they pay anything? Not to my knowledge, but I'm not in the kidnapper's inner circle.

That must be a hell of a quagmire too if you kidnap somebody and they die natural causes on your watch, right?

Like, you're still going to get, uh, charged for that. That's what I'm saying.

You're not just getting charged with kidnapping. So now they got to make some tough decisions. What do you think, Ish? What'd you think? What are you thinking, Antoine? Marvin, what do you think? Thoughts and prayers. Yeah, thoughts and prayers, man. Shout out to her. That is a painful thing though. Yeah, it is for sure. I can't even— it's very fucked up. If someone stole my mom, I don't even know what I would do. Yo, can you fucking stop, bro? You got the chain, nigga. Like, goddamn, I don't care about the chain. Stop doing that shit, bro. Talk about your family and it's just selling your ass for, for the chain. What are you talking about? Stop disrespecting your family. Disrespecting my family? Hey, disrespect the mama love, man. I would be, I would be, I would be devastated if somebody kidnapped my mom and told me I had to pay $4 million. Would you pay it? Hm? I don't have $4 million. Would you pay it? I call Joe. Joe, if Joe front it. Have I met your mom? No. That's the, that's the question.

That's the question he asked.

She said, I might not even like your mom.

At least got to meet the lady. Yeah, it's fair.

I did my best. You're crazy.

Yo, Mark is nuts. Uh, what else, what else, what else, what else? Absolutely.

So I think that we, we couldn't solve the Savannah Guthrie, uh, no, no mystery. No, we tried. But we were able successfully in the last 48 hours to solve the Jay-Z hair controversy. Oh, that's true. The internet. And I actually, I'm actually happy this happened So about 2 days ago, I think Beyoncé is the one who released it. But it's certainly a mini-documentary about Jay-Z's hair and the transition from his locks to blowing out the fro. Beyoncé is narrating it. She's doing the voiceover. And she's telling the story of how that happened and why. In the documentary, she talks about why Jay-Z initially got the locks. Because of his daughter, right? Right, which was for Blue Ivy, who wasn't feeling as confident about her hair as they wanted her to. And they wanted her to love every aspect of herself. So Jay is a kind of sign of solidarity and love. Fire. Yeah, he did that with his hair, which I think is dope. And then for the transition for the Roots picnic, they showed the transition. And she said she was worried it wouldn't come out, but it did. And they showed the whole process.

I love it for a couple of reasons. One, I love what he did for his daughter. I think that's a beautiful thing. I also—

Love the capitalism of it all?

What did you say?

Love the capitalism of it all? Which part? It's a commercial.

Oh, I mean, I mean, I don't love that part. No, I mean, but we live— I mean, we live in a world with commercials. It would be selective to say I like that part.

Yeah, you've always been anti-Jay-Z's capitalism, so I was curious how you felt about this capitalism.

I'm anti-all capitalism, but, but I work on a show that has advertisements. I say PrizePicks every day. It's not like, you know, not every day, but since I started playing, since I started making money, PrizePicks! I beat chest for prize picks.

Yeah, cuz when you first came here, you was standing on the hill. That nigga was quiet. That nigga would not say that prize pick.

I wasn't getting the prize picks, uh, resources either, you know what I mean? I wasn't being paid. Um, but once I got that right, you know, found my voice over that balcony. Yeah, I was, I was good. But yeah, no, I'm not— I'm, I'm anti—

Mark, do you imagine how much more money you would make if you just came out and said, yo, a small part of me is down with it all?

He is down with it. He definitely—

but you don't say it. No, I do say that.

If he says it, I think that That nigga money go all the way up.

But the thing, I'm just not willing to do what it takes for it to go all the way up.

There's certain things that I'm not willing to do, like grow dreads and then, uh, get them—

see, I don't think Jay did that for capitalism. I think— I believe— I don't think he did that for— I think he did for his daughter. I believe it. I believe it too. I believe it too, you know.

And I, and I think a lot of shit just tie up like coincidence, like, all right, well, since we're going to do this, we can also—

there's a profit here.

We got a company.

And that's the part that I don't love, but I don't— you know, you can't avoid that. If Warren Buffett saved somebody from a burning building, I wouldn't like not be like— I wouldn't be like, but then he just so happened to buy the block, right? Now, did he own the building? Right. But the act itself is fine. And so I, I love the beauty of this part of it. I love the story of it. But I also love the fact that the internet makes up shit. They just make shit up. And I love the fact that— because everybody's saying those blocks aren't real. Yeah, shit that we shouldn't even care about. I know, I really didn't care, but it's just, it's just, it's a reminder that people make shit up. Yes. And most of the time Jay-Z and Beyoncé don't respond to the shit that people make up, so people just assume, well, if you didn't respond, it must be true.

So this is just an opportunity to say, you know what, they still responding, making shit up even with this. They saying that's a lace front he got on. There's people like, yo, listen, dog, first they going by his age, there's not a gray strand in sight. Then they were saying, um, something else I saw, a couple people that have men that have longer hair. It was like, yo, there's no way the, the hair here is the exact same length as this one here. Your hair grows differently, all that type of shit. That's the lace front. Like, they're running with it. Some people, you just can't— you, you can't prove it to them. Like, they're gonna, they're gonna have their thoughts, and no matter what you say or show them, it don't matter, right? They're gonna believe what they're gonna— what they want to believe, and that's it. And it's a lot of them, especially right now, it's kind kind of little— I don't know if it's like the tide is turning, but like, yeah, Cole was like universally loved, and it seems a lot of that is changing. So people are looking for anything to attack him over now, and they riding with it, and they like hammering any point they can find.

And that's the part I don't actually like, because there are legitimate points of criticism that we should have, um, and then there's a bunch of shit that— like his hair, whether it's a wig or not— that are stupid, and they all get mixed into the same pot. You know, and it's like it almost cheapens the other critiques, and it takes the weight away from the stuff that we should be saying about people, you know. I don't like that. Um, we saw that with Nicki, right? There are things that we're critical of Nicki, and then people are saying mean things about her kids. It's like, well, let's not do that. Like, that's personal, that's mean, that's not okay. We can have principled disagreements with people, and it all gets thrown into the pot. I think some of it's just generational. Like, now there's not the— we have a reverence for our generation's artists, and the next generation be like, fuck them. Yeah, yeah. And they look like every generation does that.

And that's what happens because we keep pushing. I mean, a lot of us were like, nah, whoever y'all naming, it don't matter, Jay-Z's the GOAT. Yeah, a lot of times they get a little tired of that and like, yo, fuck y'all, fuck your GOAT.

And that's how you end up with niggas disrespecting Marvin Gaye.

Honestly, that part.

And Barry Gordy. That's crazy. I'm about to buy some Beyoncé shampoo though, man.

I'm sold. Was it— is it— what is the product being sold?

No, I'm not being funny. She sounds like a bunch— it's, uh, shampoo. Yeah, he got a hair care line.

Got it. And that's which they're saying he used to do? Yes, of course. Ah, to help his hair grow. Yep. I didn't watch it today, I ain't gonna lie. I just saw— once I heard the shit about Blue, I was like, my heart was tugged and I was done. Yeah, they got me.

They showed him taking the locks out and all that.

I saw some of the combing up. I didn't—

we got it, we got it, y'all. We got it on JT's hair. Thank you.

What you got, Joe? Oh, a whole hair.

Now this really should have went in hour 1, but I waited. When I tell you, dog, that shit that the Sheepstealer did— I hate you.

Let me find out you're a thronie now, dog.

Oh, the Sheepstealer, he ain't come to play. Nah, I know what the fuck he was doing, whatever he wanted to do. He ain't come to play it all. Show me the video. Listen, I got to pull it up. Now listen, this might be the meanest dragon that we've ever seen on House of the Dragon.

No, he's a little special is the thing.

And Rhaena, he got the— he got the underbite.

Yeah, but the way Rhaena—

I'm serious, y'all ain't see it? I did. I did. If you only— all right, I won't spoil it for people, but that shit came on the same time. Season 3 of House of Dragons, it's out, it's out. Not only is it out, but many people are saying that that was one of the greatest House of Dragons episodes that they had ever seen.

It probably is the best, actually.

Yeah, they said that that— Dragons hasn't—

it hasn't been good. So yeah, so I know.

Yeah, but I saw people saying that season, that first episode could have been the season finale of how— of the, the main shit, and everybody would have been happy if it was the same quality.

Yeah, yeah, that's possible. They did a lot.

I did a lot. Yeah, you got to see it when Sleep Stealer comes. Sheep— I mean, sheep steal. Seriously, you didn't watch? Are you throwing it?

He's a feral dragon.

You can't tell me what I watched. Yes, he watched that shit, bro. I'm telling y'all, I watched it. You might not believe it. I watched it.

All right, but you don't know what's going on.

So there's a little recap at the beginning. Catch up.

How about you get the fuck out of here?

I watched all 2 seasons before this and I still don't know what's going on. I got to watch the recap.

Yeah, you got to watch recaps now, cuz I look up the family trees and shit. A year or 2 between seasons, you forget what the fuck happened.

I love the recap. You got to have a recap.

Anything I watch, I got to have a recap.

Is that his mom that he's kissing? Fuck, it is his mom that he's kissing. Goddamn, this is weird. Goddamn.

Damn it, back to the instance. More than a week passed, I forgot whatever was on the last episode. I did.

So you watch too much shit, especially with Game of Thrones.

That shit is damn near a different language.

I'mma go back and watch the fucking Jared from Subway doc just because, the one from 2023. I am. That's it, just cuz.

I am. I hear you, bro.

You got 3 episodes. I think he's home. He better not be home. We pulling up up.

I think he's—

we getting him off the streets. If he's off, get him off, get him out of here. Fuck out of here, Jared. Uh, what else, what else, what else? We ran through Meek. Uh, Foolio's killers all sentenced. I happen to see the video of the young man plea— pleading with the judge, uh, saying that he thinks his life sentence was too harsh considering he had the same role in the crime as the— as he did. That bug, man, he did call her his girlfriend. His girl And then the judge was like, well, I don't know if this is your current, if this is your former, but, uh, apparently she got 15 years. She got 15 for manslaughter. He, he gets life, but he was tried with the whole crew, the four. And that was part of what he was saying to the judge. Listen, I feel like injustice has been done for the same exact role. I got a way harsher, uh, uh, penalty, and I feel like I'm being penalized because my group I was, I was, uh, I was on trial with my group. They did a lot of bullshit. They got life, so I feel like I get life.

And I feel like the destination, uh, played a part because we were here and then she was wherever she was. But he, he laid out a case that sounded strong until the judge started talking like, yo, dog, I don't give a fuck about what you said. None of it. You're done. They said, what was the judge's response?

They said from the rip that they was— they, they ain't play that shit like— again, they traveled up there to Tampa to do that. That. And even the police department, they was like, yo, we are— they took that shit super serious. Was like, yo, we not having that up here. Like, we gonna make examples out of everybody. Don't bring that shit up here. Whatever y'all got going, keep it down there. Yeah, so that whole Kelly Jason, yeah, yeah, yeah, coming up here. Yeah, you're not coming up here with that shit. They, they tried to make examples out of all of them. I heard the sincerity in his voice though when he started appealing to the people from their hood. He's like, yo, bro, yeah, this shit ain't working. Shit ain't working. And he's like, yo, we killing each other, we doing this stuff, we doing that stuff. Only person that's going to support you is your mother and maybe a friend. And he was like, yo, it's just not worth it. So I, I saw— I only saw— I saw 3 of them. One of them seemed like he ain't give a fuck, but the light-skinned kid that had the turtleneck on and homeboy just now, honestly they seem like they was decent kids, like decent, you know what I'm saying?

And we just be getting caught up in the street shit and what we think is cool and what the neighborhood is saying and what these rap songs are saying, and it's making these little fuckers go do dumb shit. These kids sound like decent kids if you took them out of whatever murder they was going on, even though they—

yeah, that's where he's losing. Yeah, they're decent kids until the murder.

They're not decent kids.

He's trying to say that they grew up in a—

Yeah, but it's easy, like, easier said, better opportunities than others. Easier said than done. That's what I think he said. What's easier said to not go shoot?

What the fuck were we doing? Look, it is easier said than done.

What I'm trying to say is I could see a world where a, a good kid following behind somebody gets in the car with them and go do some bullshit with him that might not be of his normal character, and now you got to deal with the consequences of that. One of the dudes there, I think that was, um, I think, I think Fulio— I could be wrong here— has something to do with his cousin being killed or something. One of them niggas there was on time, and he showed no remorse.

He knew what it was.

He just waiting to go, yo, send me up. Yes, like, yeah, I did it. Like, the whole trial And you could see a person like that maybe recruiting some people to, yo, come on, come slide with me. And they might have just been pure— I, I don't know these niggas, but just seeing the lack of remorse and then seeing these niggas look like, oh shit, I made a mistake, where one nigga like, nah, this wasn't a mistake. I knew what I came to do. I knew what came with it. Sign me up. It is what it is.

Him, I'm not talking, talking about. I saw that he feels vindicated in his mind. He did exactly what he meant to go do. Yeah, so I'm not really talking about it.

You can get people that might not understand the gravity of all that shit. Yo, come on, we getting ready to go do this, come with me, whatever. Or you trying to get down? Bet you want to get down, come do this. And they might not have been built there.

I'm just not calling that kid a good kid once he makes that decision. Agreed. You're not a good kid. Your man talks you into not only getting in the car to go kill this little young nigga on the night of his birthday but if we taking all details into account, y'all stalked the kid for fucking ages.

Yeah, yeah, they did.

Good is just not the adjective that comes to mind with this type of story.

You could be right.

No matter how homeboy voice sound, I'm watching the shit and all I could look at was his arms. All I could look at was his arms. So no matter how his voice sounded, I'm looking at his arms and I'm like, yeah, this is the kid. They got to go grab a gun or somebody do do him. He ain't— you don't look like he got nothing near fighting, nothing.

That's how he look.

That's what my mind— that's where my mind went.

I think what Freeze is talking about is the kid that, that, that you just riding with your cousin and you just happen to do something.

Okay, but that's not what happened here. Okay, but you wasn't just riding and unbeknownst to you a nigga— you— a nigga pulled out and just started killing somebody.

That's not this case.

I'm only talking about this specific case I'm not calling these kids good kids. These niggas is fucking terrorists.

I think that— I think not a bad point. I just think that, um, we minimalize these issues in these communities so easily that until that shit really hits you, like, yo, I just killed somebody and I'm looking at life in prison and I'm never gonna see my family, I'm never gonna see my friends, I'm never gonna see all that shit— the shit that we took with a grain of salt really ain't to be taken with a grain of salt. It's some real, real, real real consequences behind that. Till you see somebody's family crying in the courtroom that you did something to their kid, that shit hits differently. And again, when you listen to these rap songs and you seeing all of this shit, it don't really, really, really paint a real picture of what's going on in our environments. And some of these kids could be little corny-ass schoolboy kids that just involved in the neighborhood shit. And unfortunately, the neighborhood shit be beating niggas up and shooting niggas.

Then you're not a good kid. All right, cool. Then you're not a good kid.

Cool. You can, you can—

could have been a good kid and change overnight.

Wait, what'd you say?

You can be a good kid. That happens.

Yeah, you can have good grades, you can have— you can live your life being respectful to your parents, and you can get picked on and then change overnight. And then it doesn't take away the fact that you was a good kid.

Oh, was is past tense. The second the change occurs, you're not a good kid. I see what you're saying.

You're not a good kid. Maybe that's the question. Maybe I'm, I'm not—

somebody that's not murdering people, down with the murder for hire, putting money on somebody's head to be murdered, stalking someone, or prepared to murder. Yeah, I'm dead. Sorry, I hear you. I understand.

There's other— to your point, there's other adjectives. There's probably better adjectives. Misguided. Kid, uh, lost, sad, unfortunate situation. There's a lot of things that you could say, but good kid—

yeah, you're not a good kid.

You're not a good kid. It doesn't sound like—

I'm saying, because I'm saying you could have been a good kid and then have gotten— that was me.

I was a good kid in Jersey City, uh, 20 billion years ago. And whenever the crowd went over here and we was trying to be block versus block, all right, I'll run over here, we'll fucking beat this kid up. All right, you punching him in the face when he's— all right, we'll jump on him. Guess what? Once those things started happening, I ain't a good kid. Yeah, I'm not a good kid. I don't give a fuck what my mom's friends thought about me. I'm in the streets as a menace.

I think that's the challenge sometimes, is that like, as parents or as adults, elders who know you, we remember the best parts of you and we see the best parts of you. A lot of people have no idea who their kids are when they walk outside that house, you know. We still think, oh, that's my baby. And sometimes them babies, like Sam Jackson said in, uh, was it Juice? I know a lot of kids kids. I know a lot of kids since they was killers.

Yeah, I mean, killers since they was kids.

Exactly. Like, sometimes you gotta remember that too. Real quick, and I want to— I do want to get off the subject. I'm familiar with the situation with a kid who was good and his brother got killed. I mean, it's been— he overnight changed, and he vowed to get vengeance for, for the, you know, to the person killed his brother. Then after that, he just kept on going and going and going. I mean, shit, that was the trigger point for him.

I, I— you listen to Von's music, that's kind of what he said. He saw his best friend get killed in front of him. He said, that turned me— in that moment, I snapped, and that turned me into something else.

Now King Von's name is made as well.

No, I'm just talking about people that speak on this shit to this point.

Are you niggas cream?

You don't know where the fuck you came from, bro.

You act like people don't happen that cause motherfuckers to go the other way.

You disagree with what he said?

Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Like, you don't know what we're saying.

You know exactly what we're saying.

King Von wasn't a good kid. We, we don't know anything about him. We know enough to say he wasn't ever a good kid.

You can't say never. That's the point. You don't know him prior to that.

You don't know that. His friend died and the demon was born, then he killed 39 niggas. Got it, got it. Listen, I'm unconditioned to myself. Yourself from some of this stupid hip-hop shit.

Y'all want to carry on? I'm not even talking about hip-hop shit. King Von was a good kid. I never said King Von was a good kid.

Safe to assume that—

no, you're putting words in people's mouths. Nobody said that. We're just saying, I'm speaking to him specifically, saying something he saw changed him. I'm— same thing Flip was saying, that where the dude's brother got killed, and in that moment it changed him and it became something else.

I'm saying to you, I think King Von, in that story, it's full of shit. King Von is full of absolute shit. May he rest in peace. One of the great, great artists.

So do you think he was the best?

I saw something happen and then the demon was born. No, you was doing bad shit and seeing something bad happen. You wasn't just where you were supposed to be, just straight A student, and then you seen something bad.

There's plenty of people that said something tragic didn't happen to him. There's plenty of people that go through something tragic and don't go out and murder a bunch of people. For sure.

Yeah, like, yeah. Scenario. Yeah, because how?

Because everybody— because you wouldn't say that if it was, uh, a different trigger. Like, some people trigger and they go left, some people get triggered and go right. You can't necessarily say that because they pick left, that if left is murdering a bunch of people—

yeah, I'm just—

I'm saying for whatever it is, I hear what he's saying. For whatever it is, he said— he's saying that the fact that some people have awful things happen and don't turn out that doesn't disprove the idea that the thing bad that happened made some people go the other way. Just like some people get abused and become super abusive, or some people are alcoholic and they become drug addicts, and some never touch it. It— one doesn't disprove the other. It's just different people have the same different reactions to the same thing.

I also think there's situations where actual good kids get caught in situations that they might not have even been in the car with the murderer knowing murder happened. I've known people that I grew up with that went through this. Those are good kids that got caught in a bad situation got their life fucked up. Let's save the good kid, uh, tag for those people.

Okay, we wasn't calling them good kids. I didn't call Von a good kid. He didn't call, um, dude a good kid. He was just saying that something happened and it put them on a different path. I'm not— I never said he was a good kid.

I don't know that nigga's childhood.

This thing, different path implies that before you went the different path, it might not have been that different. Was happening.

It might not have been that path though, bro. Yeah, we can't say that. It might not have been I'm going out to murder a bunch of motherfuckers. I might not have been the best. I could have been a gang member. I could have just been doing shit for my— I could have been selling drugs. I'm saying don't necessarily mean I'm out here killing a bunch of niggas until I saw somebody that I love got murdered right in front of me. And now I'm cool. Now I gotta go get back for him. And now that shit, it woke something else up in me. And now I'm out here laying motherfuckers down. Now it's just a circle effect where because I did something to this person, they coming at me. So now it's just a literal thing that happened like that. And the one thing that sparked it all could— I'm not saying it did— it could have been him seeing somebody get murdered in front of him that he love. It's a possibility, bro.

Everything in the world is a possibility.

Here's the only part I'm not getting, cuz I, I, I hear you that everybody I wasn't an angel before they became this other thing. Are you then saying that some people are just born bad?

Yeah, you are who you are.

There's some kids are just— because they were never a good kid.

I mean, I don't know if I'm saying that.

Well, because the thing is, if they weren't— if they weren't— if they were never a good kid, then it means they were always not a good kid. That's what I'm saying.

I think there are some people that are born bad, by the way. There's some people that have been raised in perfectly normal, non-traumatic situations that are murderers and monsters. Like, I think that does exist. That's why I'm asking.

I'm trying to get a sense of how y'all see this. I don't have a dog in the fight. I was just curious to know, because if, if you didn't become a— if you weren't a good kid who became a bad kid at some point, then you had to always be a bad kid, right?

So I think there's something in you before you even get here that will determine how you respond to certain stimuluses. So depending on the type of person that you are, it could affect you positively or negatively. You could— that same trauma could happen to two people, but depending on who they are inside, their reactions to that are totally different. I'm mad at that take. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Some people just are not the most empathetic people.

And when the world sees what your reaction is to some things, then you may not be a good kid anymore. That's true.

But true anymore.

Sound like y'all just disagree about when and where the— no, I disagree about everything.

I disagree about every single thing that these people have said on this time. I don't think King Von was a good kid. I don't think that he's putting—

Joe, nobody said— nobody said good things.

You implying it though when you say he saw someone die and that's when the demon—

I wasn't a murderer, don't mean I was a good kid. High school kid enlists in the service, goes to Vietnam, uh-huh, kills a whole bunch of people in Vietnam. Now he comes back totally changed than he was before he went to Vietnam. Uh-huh. He was a murderer his whole life? Or did something trigger him, some stimulus that he saw and that he witnessed and that he lived through change him forever?

Good one. That is a good one.

I don't have a retort. I do think that if you sign up to go to war, you're some level okay with murdering people at some point in your life.

What if you got drafted?

About— say Vietnam, right? That's a different conversation.

Yeah, that's a different conversation.

When he comes back and the draft changes him, nobody should say he's a good coach. That's all, that's it, that's all I got, that's all I got, that's all I got. We did it, we did it, we did it, we did it. Who else is good? Charles Manson. Yo, I gotta— no, I gotta hear y'all listen.

Will paint some shit that nobody said. The list of good people.

Not a soul said— and you will paint that. The Long Island murderer. Goddamn, he was good when he was 4.

That's what they say though, when the parents do the documentary, when they do the voiceovers, they say how great they were as a kid.

I never believed the parent when they come on there with these lies.

Came out here and had an argument for freeing those brothers from California. Menendez. Who, the Menendez brothers? Yeah, most of the cast up here— I can't remember specifically who said it— was like, yeah, I think there's a world where they ate, got traumatized by their parents, and they should be free. A lot of people up here said I can't—

I think I did say, well, I think they should be free. They also—

I do think they should— they also have served 30 or 40 years or something.

Yeah, I think they should be free because, yeah, they've been there 30 years.

They did it like since O.J., I think, around that time. Yeah, maybe before.

Okay, that ain't saying I think they're good people. I just think they should come out.

Man, we're doing a hell of a job. You don't feel like there's any gangsters out here or killers out here that would—

that's good people? Yes. Yes, that's a new question.

Yes, I do. So once they kill somebody, they no longer a good person, per your logic? We know some good—

I think there are situations in which you can kill someone and still be a good person.

We know they good. We're gonna move this shit all around the world. I think people can kill somebody and still be a good person. In the context of the conversation we are having, I don't think that—

he's talking about the stalking part. He's talking about dedicating your time to kill this person. I get what he's saying. Stalking, intentionally murdering someone.

And King Von, throw him in whatever gumbo you make, make it. I, I keep— I don't know why Freeze brought up King.

Now he's trolling you. No, I know, I know.

I'm not trying to do— no, he's serious. I'm not trying to troll him. I promise you I'm not trying to troll Ice right now.

Well, you are, because I never said King Von was a good kid. I never implied a good kid.

But every time I say throw King Von in the gumbo, I'm not just talking to you. Well, you keep— it's just funny now. What you mean? You're trolling.

Not you. Got it, Joe.

You cuckoo, yo. This nigga's nuts. So Ice, what makes King Von—

I'm a good kid. Look, look what they call real good kid. That's funny. That's funny. Real good, kid. It's cool, cool. All right, uh, let's see what else, what else, what else. Floyd is popped. We knew he was popped. Foolio, y'all get life. That was a stupid murder plan.

Well, it ain't just that Floyd is popped, Joe, is that, is that he got— he, he caught, uh, uh, some felony, some felony charges now, uh, or one felony charge or one felony case. And then there's other issue, right? One is that, uh, they're saying he took money for the Mike Tyson fight and the Pacquiao fight and the Pacquiao fight. Both fights. And kind of didn't give it back and it kind of bounced. Then there's the bad check, uh, allegation over $200,000 bad check. That's for the, for the watch, right? For the watch, yeah. Uh, where, where he wrote a check for watch, didn't— wasn't good check. My man asked for the watch back, didn't give it back. It's been over a year. My man finally said, yo, I gotta do something about this. Like, one, I thought you were wrong on this initially. You thought he wasn't popped? I underestimated the extent to which I thought, you know, sometimes people aren't liquid liquid, right? He's starting to make moves that aren't just like, I'm not liquid, it's like, popped.

Please, so again, like, he's suing his, his own people's full team. Was it $300 million or something? A lot. It's a lot of money that he said, yo, was, was taken without me knowing. So if I think I got certain bread and it ain't there and I found out y'all got it and I got expensive lifestyle, I might be really fucked up Is it hard to have sympathy for Floyd?

For me it is. It's not for me. It's not hard. It's not for me. Why? I struggle.

I'm not saying it's fair. I'm just saying when I watch his— watching how he's lived over the last 20— the flamboyance. Come on. The money is hard. When I watch people— I watch people get robbed of their money, right? There's a way that he moves with money that makes it harder for me to feel sympathetic. And I'm not saying it's fair. I'm just saying— That's not fair at all. I'm stipulating— I'm not saying I'm saying this is fair, but you're saying how you personally feel about— yeah, that— yeah, it's like when I watch something like, fuck you poor people, and then they get— they lose their money, I don't have as much sympathy, you know what I mean? It's just harder for me, you know. Um, I still think it's unfortunate, and I also don't know that he got robbed. I hope it's true that he didn't just mismanage his money, that, you know, there's some recourse that he can get his money back.

But even if he did—

yeah, do you know Floyd ever said fuck you?

That's what I was— yo, you took the words out of my mouth. Just because I live a flamboyant lifestyle, I don't mean I'm necessarily saying put my middle finger up to people that are poor.

Actually, I might have— I might have seen the exact opposite. I met Floyd when he's in giving mode.

That nigga will go on his block and give niggas $10,000, $5,000, a lot of stuff.

He gave a lot to a lot of people.

Changed a lot of lives. I don't mean he literally said, fuck you poor people. I'm saying when you walk around— Through actions. I don't see how y'all could go on vacation with less than 12 watches. I don't see that kind of shit. That was all part of a character no more. Yeah, and I'm saying that character for me doesn't incur sympathy. Sympathy.

Okay, so, so let me— I'm just telling you, for me, I think, I think we lose track sometimes. I think, I think that Floyd was a good kid. Yeah, it's levels. It's levels to a bunch of shit, right? There's levels to a bunch of shit. So, and this is where we get caught up in our billionaire conversation or our ultra-rich conversation. That's like somebody saying, yo, I have empathy for Mark if he hits a bad patch because Mark got 300 pairs of sneakers and that's obsessive and he don't need 300 pairs.

I think that would be reasonable.

But again, but again, is wired different.

But here's the thing is, I'm not, I'm not saying I don't have sympathy because he has a lot of stuff. I'm saying it's the flaunting of it that makes me less sympathetic. If I walked over, came on TV every day and said, y'all niggas wearing the same pair of sneakers twice, fuck y'all, and then one day all my sneakers got stolen, I wouldn't expect you to have sympathy for me, even if—

but that's part of my—

it's wrong. It's in my—

how would that part of my job to actually be this person. Yes, you're just explaining why he does it. I'm just saying, like, it makes me—

saying it, it just makes me less sympathetic. And a lot of people are like that. Let me ask you a question though, Mark, real quick. Who's the guy that said it was good for Muhammad Ali? The guy that Muhammad Ali made jokes about? Um, uh, Frazier. Do you agree that Frazier said that he made all those jokes about me and then look who can't talk or whatever? Do you agree with that? No matter what Muhammad Ali did for the people, no matter what no matter where he was at, stood for Black people. He was out there on the front lines. Joe Frazier ended up saying that about him. Oh, he said I was the R-word. Now look who is that. Look who can't speak.

Yeah. Do you agree with Joe Frazier?

I mean, he got the right to say it. He does have a right to say it, but I don't agree with that sentence. What I would say is, to Joe Frazier, is like, I don't agree that you deserved it, and I think it's wrong that that happened to you, but I could understand how Joe Frazier, who was on the business end of those jokes, wouldn't have as much sympathy for Muhammad Ali as somebody else, as he would for Joe Frazier.

George Foreman. It's the same thing I'll be saying about how certain people look at Wendy Williams. Perfect example. Like, do we think what's happening to her is a good thing? No. But there are a lot of people that's like, because of the way she built her brand— if Wendy Williams ruined your life, a lot of people that don't have as much sympathy for her as they should.

Because Floyd— I hate that people with bad hearts get brought up so much in these type of—

yo, listen to this.

Not just that, Floyd not out here just ridiculing people and making their life living hell because I'm enjoying the things that my craft has afforded me. Yeah, see, I think a lot of people— that's not a good power. Wendy Williams was doing mean shit to people and saying mean shit to people. Cool. Floyd Mayweather's out here saying, yo, I'm rich, look.

Yeah, but here's different. Here's the thing, I'm not, I'm not saying that the parallel isn't that they both did something unethical, it's that one has a consequence to the other. So for me, if Floyd is flaunting money and showing ridiculous spending, and then you broke after showing ridiculous spending, I don't feel happy feel for it.

I don't— I didn't say I feel happy. I don't—

I still have empathy for him, and that's great. But what I'm saying is I have less— I find myself having less empathy for someone who has shown what I perceive to be reckless spending and flaunting than someone who didn't, you know. I get that. I just do, you know. And I'm okay with that, you know. Again, I'm— now, if I find out that he was robbed, that's different. I have— I don't want— no athlete should deserve to get robbed, and boxers seem to get robbed a lot. But his story is that he was And I said, if it is true, then I want him to get justice for that. I want— in fact, I remember I started with—

So shouldn't you be rooting for him?

It sounds like you don't believe that he was robbed.

I just said I hope that that is the case so that he can have recourse and get his money back. Regardless of how he spends it, it's his money. But what I'm saying is, is that in general, it's harder for me to muster sympathy for someone who has shown reckless spending than it is for someone who has not.

It's hard for me to show sympathy when somebody's committed some type of heinous crime, but a nigga bragging that he got a shit ton of money—

no, a nigga from the bottom— no, a nigga from the bottom—

I'm not holding that against Floyd.

Neither am I. That's— you're misrepresenting my point. My issue is— but you are holding it against him, Mark, that he beat the odds and came from the bottom. No, I'm holding up that if you buy 17— if you bought 12 watches If you say I have to wear a different watch every day, I have 75 cars, yes. If you are— That person goes broke. Again, not broke from being robbed. Because we're mixing two different things. Broke from bad spending habits. I don't care. If you throw your money, if you burn your money in the trash can and somebody steals, I have sympathy for you having been robbed. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you are broke because you recklessly spent, and I see that image, right? And I watch the world have to watch that, and I watch the impact that that has on people, particularly people who won't end up with that kind of money, right?

If I see all of that, I'm less sympathetic to that than the person, This is back to the Brandon Marshall thing where you was like, yo, I have a problem with you putting that online. So it's not the fact that Floyd purchases 50,000 watches, it's the fact that it's online.

That we know about it. I'm showing it. I'm bragging with it.

You just said that. There's two pieces to it. Yes, there's two pieces. One is the flaunting of it. That does make me less sympathetic. That's what I started with. And then there's also the flaunting of it— what he's flaunting is reckless spending. He's not just saying, here's my bank account. Here's my money, here's my investments. I would— I— that would be a little bit different to me.

I only don't like that because somebody on the bottom, somebody on a lower rung than you could always look up and say—

that's what I said.

I said, yes, that's always applicable.

I'd be okay with that. Yeah, he's with that. I'm okay with that. He said, I'm with that. But his shoe example is a perfect example. If I was broke and he said, I don't got no sympathy, nigga, nigga, that would make sense to me.

That's how rich people intimate. It's the same. It's, it's, it runs all in that same vein.

Yeah, because having 300 pairs of sneakers is reckless. It's irresponsible.

Who dictates?

Oh, it's excessive. How about this? It's excessive.

It could be excessive. Yes. I wouldn't call it reckless or irresponsible.

You don't deserve hardship because you live in an excessive—

I don't think you deserve it. This is, this is where you take what I'm saying and add another—

you don't deserve sympathy.

I didn't say you don't deserve sympathy. You just say he doesn't have And I stipulated— this is where our arguments go weird. I stipulated, I'm not saying this is fair. And then we have a whole conversation, you all trying to convince me of how unfair it is. I agree it's not fair. I began with that. I'm just telling you why I feel that way. Got it, got you. That's it.

You are cold. You are cold. You're a cold man. For what you stand for, you cold, yo.

It's consistent with what I stand for. It is. Yeah, I guess, I guess kind of. I don't know.

Bloody, that nigga's cold.

He's cold, but I was a good kid.

This is cold. He's cold. He might have been a good kid. You cold.

He's still a good kid, I think.

Yeah, he's still a good kid. That's why I know he ain't late nothing I laid. Nigga been a good kid his whole life, man. Yeah. All right, we got through everything. I think we did it.

The good kids got through it.

I think we got through absolutely everything. I'll get to y'all about Pharrell versus Vans at another time.

Um, I'm gonna run out right now because I gotta get to Newark to speak at Weequahic High School's graduation. Shout out. Any inspirational words y'all want me to share with the crew, from the crew? God bless them. These are your people. You got any words?

Congratulations. This for the freebie?

Yeah, it's for the freebie. It was 100% free. Fucked up the whole joke, huh? No, I know, but the joke— I'm just saying, you leave them work to go, you know, I think that you stand for something. The irony of the person who came the latest. Yeah, I'm leaving on a conclusion. Who you was talking about in that bandwagon comment that you made the last episode? When they was talking about bandwagon with Imani and shit like that, jumping on the bandwagon. Who you was referring to, boy? Bandwagon about what? Who were you referring to in the last episode that dropped when you were talking about bandwagon? Just remind me. I don't know. Somebody was saying something about jumping on the bandwagon. Did you watch the episode? Listen, Imani was saying that just because we agree with Joe, that doesn't mean that we have our own minds. That's what Imani was saying, something about the subject with one of your counterparts from Philly. And you say, oh, some of us do jump on the bandwagon. Who you referring to? I think I said all of us jump on the bandwagon for different things. There's a lot of dogpiling.

I got smoke with you now. Oh, I mean, I think you jump on the bandwagon the most. If Boss agrees. That's all I wanted to hear. I know that's what you wanted to hear. I ain't afraid to say that. I just know what you're talking about. That's all I wanted to hear, the shit that I like. Hold up, nigga. Hold up. That's what I'm saying. What's your favorite song? Fuck you talking about, nigga? Go beg them niggas, nigga. I don't beg nobody. Hey, I'm gonna get you, yo. My time up is up. My time is up. I'm gonna fuck you up. Okay, I'll be waiting. Me and you outside, nigga. And you can't go to the trunk. That's where I'm starting. Oh shit, it's a damn shame what happened to We want to thank Dr.

Mark Lamont Hill. Love you, man. Indeed. Spending some time with us before his big speaking engagement, man. Go kill that shit, Mark.

Shout out to the graduates.

Yeah, shout out to the graduates. Graduates, man.

The inner cities that we don't go back to. Just to feel it, smell it.

Yeah, see what it's like, though.

Please. Oh, there go my chain. No worries, coming back. I'm home soon. Probably another 10 days, something like that. Respect y'all votes, y'all. It's coming back home. Mark, get the fuck out. You hear yourself? He will lobby for the votes, boy. He don't respect y'all votes, y'all. Crazy. What? We got to do a pick, Mark. Huh? Pick? Pick what? Picture. Mark, go ahead, man. We'll take the picture without about you. It's fine. Listen, man, y'all hold it down. Hopefully y'all have enjoyed this episode as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time, we bid you adieu, farewell, adios, arrivederci, hasta la vista, au revoir, so long, goodbye, or a simple head nod will suffice. Here you go. All of you. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And last but certainly not least, the baddies are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel. And the closed-minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol. You might need it. Any plans for the week?

Plans for the week? Plans for the week?

Anybody? Anybody? Anybody? Anybody? Anybody? Just be around.

Going to Brooklyn tonight for the Wale show.

That's about it. Oh shit. I might come fuck with you.

Where you performing at? Brooklyn Paramount.

Okay. I like that spot. Yeah, I play. I might come fuck with you.

Shit is nice. Nobody said what they got for Father's Day. Nothing. Socks.

Food. Food. I got cologne. What kind? Jimmy Choo, I think. I'm gonna shout out the linky.

I didn't say nothing. I slapped the shit out of you.

Why if I didn't say nothing? Because I'm on that. You got it on?

I don't want to get smacked if I didn't say nothing.

So when do you want to get smacked?

When I say something that warrants getting smacked. But if I'm quiet, that means that I thought about the smack and I didn't want it. So shut up.

Look at me and smile. Yeah, I'm cool.

Yeah, when I called you and laughed.

Shout out to Princess.

No, that was funny. I called everybody after that.

Word. I'm like, what the fuck? Hey, how you doing? This nigga answer, bro. I'm like, all right, Flip, what you want?

What I got for Father's Day? I got some cologne, I got a charcuterie board, nice, a card, a keychain, and a mug. Not bad, not a bad—

that's fire, that's fire. It's good. Baby took me out and, um, she, she was like, yo, I'm taking you out. And, uh, she overheard me talking about I wanted to get that new Aura ring that came out, and she surprised me with it. Huh?

Is that a sex toy?

I thought you overheard him saying he wanted to get some Aura. No, I got Aura. The ring, you meant? No, I got, I got rings. You was talking about—

I got Aura. It's an Aura ring.

Smart ring. Okay, boy, you are, you are the The worst. Yo, it was right there, man. All right, man, what y'all on for the week?

Anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything?

Enjoying the rain, man. That's it.

Y'all are down out there, man. Rest in peace, Tina Marie. Y'all enjoy your week. We'll be back same time, same place this weekend if God permits. And that's all we got for you. Here you go! Out of the head!

I'm giving it to you.

Forget it, baby.

I—

baby, I— boy, you can set that shit up.

I can't cut her off now. Sorry, sorry, I got— she got it. She wigged out again. I got to hear her wig out. Again, y'all have a good week out there. Go Knicks, go Knicks, go Knicks. Till next time, bitch-ass niggas. Go Knicks. Yeah, go Knicks. Championship repeat time. Stop playing with us.

They gonna trade some of you niggas in the offseason.

Y'all niggas gonna be sick.

Nose, nose, nose job. Nose, nose, nose job. Nose job. Nose job. Nose job. JVP, JVP, where would you be without the JVP?

We'll fold that up right now.

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