Transcript of Episode 932 | "Fresh Moissanite"

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What's on? Mic check, 1, 2. Mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2. So glad that y'all could be here with us on this very special edition of the Joe Budden Podcast. My brother Freeze will be with us shortly. Flip, our good brother. Dark Lamont Hill. Big Parks is in the building. And Ish is here with us. He has on his resting Ish face because he's just sent some aggressive texts—

wild aggressive—

to some tenants who have not paid him his monies yet, and it's May 27th by the time y'all are hearing this, and he was tight about it. Now what I don't understand is he been in the landlord game for so many years that he should kind of know what time it is now.

The weather getting nice.

You know what happened? I can tell you what happened. What happened? You know, holiday weekend just passed.

Oh yeah.

And, uh, and it slid across the gram. Holiday weekend.

That shit slid across the gram and he seen one of them tenants out there.

He don't seem like he's too pleased with that response.

Dog, niggas is outside. Niggas is at— niggas is on Dyckman.

They gonna be outside.

Nobody is paying you that rent, dog. You dead on that. You're not getting that rent.

Don't do that, because at first you thought it was that he was asking about the rent for June.

Yeah, that's what we thought.

I thought he was being thirsty texting on the 27th saying, yo, you know June is coming up. He said no, they missed May. But I'm like, April. April. Oh, stop, now you adding shit.

I said April from the room.

Okay, but this—

April to July, that's only 2 months.

You do math, right? So that's 2 times, what's your late fee? $150?

Shit don't matter.

We gonna get you $300 for your troubles.

Yeah, we got you.

We gonna pay the late fee, nigga. You not getting that rent till like August, September, dog.

Fourth of July coming around.

And they know that. And they know that. And they know, shit, they know they got a sweet landlord on their hand. Why you think they ain't pay April? He ain't gonna kick him out.

Oh, it's a dude.

He says a couple niggas.

Oh, it's a couple.

He tight, he tight.

He need that money.

Look at him. I used to take that shit personal.

He got on his— he got on his I need that money— I need that money sweats too, right?

And sneakers.

And sneakers.

Nah, he got his whole outfit. He might be popping up. I need that money.

Yo, what's happening?

You want me to spot them? What's the rent? Let me pay for it since you look like you struck— like, you look like you really need it.

We're gonna hold you to it. Shut up. Shut the fuck up.

They listen. They probably got Patreon.

What do you need?

$750?

What's your rent? What's your rent at your spot?

You be charging these niggas, what, $675? It ain't much.

I'll pay it if you're gonna leave them good people alone when the weather's breaking in New York City while the Knicks won. I'll pay it because you sitting there tight in the face looking like you really need to—

don't chase nobody for money.

Are you better than that?

You're a better man than that. Your character, everything you stand for, your integrity, your principles, all of that.

You don't need to chase nobody for money. Come on, nigga.

I ain't see the itch this mad.

And if you're gonna chase somebody for money, don't wear your own brand.

Don't do it in that—

that ish.

Why? Do it in something else.

I can't afford nothing else.

I got it, yo.

I know.

When they told you they was going to pay it?

Send it over.

They not even hitting them back.

That's what I want to know.

No, some nigga said, oh yo, first week of May, I got you.

Uh, we in the last week of May. That nigga sent me something. Happened?

Yeah, my bills.

The weather.

My bills, fam.

The weather.

Nah, they know you got that big pod money. You ain't stressing it. Yo, they really think they know you got that big money.

They really think that too.

Stop, please don't start.

Do they tell you they see you in the pod?

You just know they know. They think we rich.

Yeah, that makes somebody not pay.

They not off.

They are far off.

They're very far off.

They're not off.

They're not off.

No, they're off.

They're right.

They're way off. Way off at all. It's way off.

They like, they ain't even get way over there.

Highway at all. See what you mean? Yo, y'all niggas have worked here for 5 years.

It amazes me how y'all continue to get that lie off.

My question to y'all is, how much longer do y'all expect that lie to run? Well, Karen Sybil already spilled the beans on you.

What you talking about?

Karen Sybil said every job you got, boy.

She didn't.

Yes, she did.

She did.

She said a lot of money. I was like, yo, I see all of us.

Karen Civil exposed your Newark man. So you think he down with you and he not.

I'm down with you.

He's an ambassador for 75 different companies.

No.

Freeze. Huh?

He been holding up.

Why you ain't tell me?

Tell you what? He's lying.

I'm not lying.

That's why you wearing that chain out. Before, you was hiding that shit in the glove compartment. Remember that shit?

We had to catch that nigga.

Bro, why you hiding your chain? Now he wearing it out.

You get to the bank.

Glove compartment. He hid that shit in a towel.

Yo, that's old school.

Niggas had their jewelry in a towel.

That's funny.

At least you smiling, nigga. Let them niggas go. I could tell you stressed. You wore sweats on a hot day.

You usually have your legs out there.

You like, yo nigga, let me just— I don't even care, yo.

I am, I am, I am. I had to hide it.

No shape up. God damn.

Can't afford no shape up. You know what I mean?

Hey yo, Tennis, yo, pay this nigga.

This my man's bro.

Yo, pay this nigga his $8.25, yo, so he can have a good day, man.

8:25.

I'm having a great day, man.

I bet you are.

I bet.

I'm feeling good.

I bet you feeling all right.

I hope you found some more New York songs in that serato of yours.

Yeah, he ain't got no more New York, so we straight now.

He got some more New York songs.

I'm feeling pretty darn good, gentlemen.

Why?

Because they beat bum-ass Cleveland.

Yeah, you gotta let that hate go.

No, you have to.

I'm turning the hate up a notch.

I ain't gonna hold you. I'm so tight that they even got the—

you play, you don't play.

That's true. I'm not mad at the Knicks.

The world is mad that Cleveland was there.

Yeah, Detroit would've gave y'all a beating.

Detroit should've did what they had to do. Cleveland wouldn't have been there.

That is true.

Look, you can only play who in front of you. I just hate that who's in front of you.

I'm not mad at the Knicks. And they look really good.

Yeah, yeah.

They look young.

They look fine.

White noise I'm hearing from the voices of loser teams. White fucking mute the fuck up today.

Okay.

Today is not the day nobody asked None of y'all, your thoughts on anything Finals related. I'm not going to hold you. You be a fan of the process. You be a fan of the Lake Show.

You like, it's hard.

Like, fucking, I don't— not today's not the day, gentlemen. Oh man, it's been a long time. Go Knicks! Come on, man.

That part.

Come on, man.

27 years till they make, you know since they made it to the—

I just want to see if y'all play OKC, who gonna get the most flop calls between, uh, what?

SGA.

Brunson at least wait for— wait for somebody to be near him.

Yeah, SGA.

Nobody touched him.

Nobody touched him.

It's gonna be the flop fest.

Like, I pluck you, you pluck me.

No, nobody gotta touch SGA. That just fell.

Both of them. So Joe, you'll be taking finals bets?

Yes.

Okay. Okay.

Yes, 100%. Oh, serious?

One—

yes, 100%. Anything anybody want to do.

Okay. Anything anybody want to do.

I think the world is in for a rude awakening, but now it's not the time.

Now's not the time to talk about the future.

Now's the time to talk about the present and the past, what has occurred. True.

Historic beheading, but we'll get to it. Historical— historic belt to ass. Yeah, is what happened. It was first First Team, Mark, shut the fuck up. I love you, yo, and I'm trying to speak to you with respect and kindness, yo, but I don't want to hear that doctor shit today. I said y'all did a good job. No, no, no, no, no.

It was a solid win.

No, no, no. The only team in history to close out 3 different teams by 30 or more, belt to absolute ass.

But we'll get to it.

No, that's true.

We'll get to it, man.

Y'all remind me of them New Jersey Nets teams with Todd McCullough and—

Kenyon Martin.

Yo, he just trying to trigger.

They went to the finals twice.

I don't want, yo, hate from Sixer fans. I've been hearing Keebler with like some side snarky remark shit to say as a Celtics fan. Yeah, yo, y'all, when y'all go, when my friends' teams go and my team is out of it, I support my friends.

That's the friendship. Yo, y'all doing it, man.

I support the Knicks. I ain't mad. I want y'all to win that shit.

Come on, man.

We live in New York, y'all. Like, you got to tuck that hate away. It's fun outside right now.

That's what I'm saying. I, I want them to win that shit.

There you go.

I found personally in my travels that real men tend to live by our own set of rules.

Lesser men, yeah, they tend to obey the law or enforce it.

What you trying to say, Coltrane?

You know what I'm saying.

I said The fact is that usually when two people meet, one yields to the other. Psychology of relationships of a whore is a vacuum.

We ain't got no relations, nigga.

Oh, is that what you think? Okay.

I think you're playing with fire.

Nah, man, you got it all wrong.

See, I'm Prometheus.

I bring the fire.

Mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2. Mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2. Oh, Blue Eyes, so happy y'all could be here with us today. You know what time it is. How you feel?

You don't know what this is?

You don't know what—

get your white, get your white power up, boy. It's pandemonium, it's euphoria, it's nothing but New York joy.

Let's go! Come on, man! You still standing!

I'm just on some New York style madhouse.

It's the Knicks or the Finals.

It's going to be crazy. But you know what this bitch has now?

It's going to be wild. We haven't done this before.

We need to drive to Harlem and go see my boy on the Bronx. I'm telling you, stupid nigga, you just got two old dumb niggas. Don't get no bitches.

You get all of them, huh?

Nope, nope, I'm married.

Whole New York City, Big Jersey, Brooklyn. What up, Bronx? What up out there? Upstate, upstate Rochester, up south, man. Harlem, Dyckman. It's been 26 years. Yeah, let's go, Itz! It's been a long time, Itz! We in the building, Itz! Let's go, New York! Listen, man, it's a great day Great day in New York.

Great day to be a Knicks fan.

Man, yo, get out of here. Nyla Blackman gave you that code.

All right, all right, all right, let me produce, please.

If the Knicks go to the Finals, it's going to be crazy in the city.

Yes, it is.

It already is.

If they win the finals, just stay home.

Yup.

Word.

Facts.

If they win the finals, just stay in the house.

Stay in the house. Shit gonna be pandemonium.

I can't wait.

If they win the finals, just stay home.

It's gonna be a riot.

It's not going to be a celebration. New York don't deserve it.

It's going to be a blackout.

He ain't wrong.

Let's go! Yeah, Mark, text your fucking doctor friends, nigga. Tell a friend, tell a friend.

Yo, go grab you a vice, man. Go grab you a glass of wine. The best podcast on Earth is at work right now. We got something to celebrate in New York City. It's been a long time, man. We doing it for the— we doing it for when John Starks was early to the point shaving game in Game 7. '87. We doing it for when we gave Tim Hardaway Jr. that bum-ass contract. When we traded those draft picks for Andre Bargnani.

We doing it for the ghost of David Lee, Callow Quinn, Emmanuel Moudia, Frank Nikolai Volkov.

The fuck are they talking about, what we sat through, man? We doing it for the ghost of Landry Fields. We doing it for the ghost of Lance Thomas.

What are y'all talking about out there?

I cannot recall a more dominant run by a New York sports team through the—

yeah, stretch, Mark, we going to be here a while— like the Knicks are having. Maybe the late '90s Yankees, maybe the '86 Giants, but they are not just beating these teams, they are— let's go— absolutely Wake it up out there! Shout-out to you if you're in your cars on vacation wherever you might be listening from—

anywhere! Dream On! Dream On! Dream On!

I think we won the expecta—

I said 3 out of 3; that was more like 2 out of 3?

Expected.

If you guys follow that, it's an expected score, you know, and we won 2 out of 3.

And I know you're looking for 2s, but I—

there is really, you know, if you believe in the process and all that, like, man, I'm sorry, you know.

Yo, shout out to wherever you might be listening from, man. I don't want to lose my voice and all that, but it's big vibes in New York City.

Q-tip, what up?

Iggy out! Yummy! Yeah, go ahead and text Mark. Hang your fucking head. Hang your head to death.

Marky, what's up, yo?

That we used to make.

Yeah, I mean, we just here catching a little vibe and all that. Shout out to whoever you might be listening from. Shout out to the Patronis and all that. Hey, you on point.

Hey!

Come on, man, we doing it for the ghost of David Fisdale today.

Come on, man. Yo.

We doing it for motherfucking Queens, the ghost of Mike D'Antoni today.

Very last time breathing. Yo, man, shout out to World Wide West, shout out to Leon Rose, Allen Houston, and all that.

Rick Brooks.

say without equivocation that, uh, the Knicks are playing the best basketball over 11 games I've ever seen. You've ever seen? Over 11 games? Yes.

You can't beat opponents that play off on the road the way that they're winning.

Road playoff games are hard to win. Over the last— look up for me the numbers on just their last 6 road games. Get at me, dog. The last 6 6 Road Wins.

Jason, do you have any—

How many texts you got to send, Mark?

Goddamn, I'm prepping for the show.

All right, we got a great show lined up for you, man. I promise we do. But I mean, y'all had to know I was going to be on this. You had to know. All right, what y'all want to start with, man?

Uh, I got some ideas.

What y'all want to start with, man? I don't want— I don't want to beat them down.

The Knicks.

I don't want to beat them down.

I think it's the biggest story of the week.

Did they do something?

Yeah, yeah, they, they absolutely—

I've been so worried about hater.

Absolutely. No, no, beheaded anyone in their way. Absolutely obliterated anybody put in front of him.

It ain't been close.

You know, it ain't been close.

You know what, y'all got it. I'm gonna let y'all win.

Yeah, mute the fuck up, Mark. Sorry, buddy, I love you, I respect you, I really want to hear your thoughts on things, but right this second, for some reason All right, no, I'm ready now. I'm ready now. Yes, sir!

Control the globe slowly.

Proceed to blow.

Swing your swords.

All right, man.

All right, Mar, you put your phone up. Come on, let's start, let's start. It's over. I've dragged it enough. I've dragged it enough. I've dragged it enough. Come on, come on.

It's over. You got more, but I appreciate your restraint.

Shut the fuck up!

I knew it!

I don't want to hear what the fuck you're talking about! Look at the room, you know, look at the room.

Come on, let's have a good time. Yeah, shut the fuck up, Cory. Whatever team you a fan of too. Everybody mute up in here, goddamn it.

All right, man. Oh man, so happy to be here today.

All right, now I'm done, Mark.

I'm done, I'm done, I'm done, I promise.

Yo, when the Knicks win, man, everything is better about the day. Better vibes, better mood, better ambiance. Congratulations. Crime is down. The sun shines brighter, colors seem brighter. You can hear things you don't normally hear. Everything is great. You and your girl be happy about shit when the Knicks win. She starts texting you during the game. Hey babe, they killing them. Yeah, yeah, that's the energy we need. Keep this applause going, keep this applause going for the best podcast on Earth, barring nobody, excluding none of you niggas. I said what the fuck I said.

Who is that?

I'm from the Webber Nitty era.

It's the network. All right, man, what up, man?

You know what time it is. What What episode is this?

932.

Welcome to episode 932 of the Joe Button podcast, brought to you by Fuel, by Power, by PrizePicks. PrizePicks gang here. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, extremely happy to be here host Joe Button, here with the best crew on Earth, as I've stated earlier. Next to me, to my right, Queens Get the Money, Queens Flip in the building.

We outside.

Next to him, Philly's finest, our good brother Dr. Mark Lamont Hill in the building.

With us.

Next to him, Mr. Thousand Doors and Up, Frito, pro bono. If you need, if you need somewhere to stay, running a shelter, we got a hospital. You know, for free. My nigga running shelters. Make some noise for Big Ish in the building. Next to him, come on, man, the freest of them all, ever since he start— stop hiding his chain in the glove compartment, ever since he felt safe enough out side to take his chain out and start wearing it on top of his outfits. The freest of them all, make some noise, Big Freeze!

Yes sir!

Next to him, keeping the spirit of uniformity alive, Elmira's finest, Big Parks in the building.

What's popping?

What's popping? Next to him, White Poet here. Poet, you still, uh, you still talk to that big thick, uh, thick black girl I caught you in the hookah spot with?

Nah, you deadass, you dead at you?

She dead at him.

She dead at him.

She dead at him.

No such thing as—

no, he's just a gentleman.

It's mutually amicable.

Yeah, you ain't leave that thick thing of chocolate milk. You ain't just leave that.

Nah, nigga straw might—

niggas front around they friends about how fast they, they left something nice. Yeah, I know.

Kitty straw.

Oh shit, that's crazy.

That's fucked up.

What is that?

You who's—

yo, what's up with Y'all, they really get a laugh at a Pose Dick.

Uh, uh, next to Po, In Love Corey is here. Corey is in the building, still in the gym now, working on fucking lower back and neck and shoulder pain because she mountain climbing all over him, treating him like a jungle gym. Now you all sore and shit. Glad to see you keeping love alive, Corey. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here. Bye remote.

Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you very important people are here. If you're not signed up to the Patreon, now would be a great time to do so. Uh, what's going on, fellas?

Speaking of Cory, real quick, Cory said it wasn't a big deal, but I want to thank you. Was it you guys that brought us to our attention that the Super Bowl and, uh—

no, that was Joe that brought that to our attention—

the Super Bowl and Valentine's Day is on the same day?

Yeah, this year.

Cory said next 2027 Super Bowl is on Valentine's Day?

That's a headache already.

That's a problem. No, it ain't.

No, it's not.

It's out.

For which one you talking about? Flowers and chicken?

You just got remarried, so it might be different.

That's it.

The flowers still deliver on Sundays. Yeah, as long as—

so you can have the wings and the flowers come the same day.

Hey, okay.

Better be some fly shit at that halftime.

I think it's just going to fuck up Saturday. Oh yeah, for sure.

Yeah, and Monday, that's—

you gotta double, you gotta double down probably.

Yeah, and we need to plan early. All you brothers out there, plan early. Now's the time to start thinking about that shit. Yeah, no emergencies, nothing.

With a Super Bowl?

Yeah, because that, uh, that can end up taking a while if Target moved their chocolates from the very front by the self-checkout on some last minute shit. Just running there, right, grab you some chocolates and a card. Now the card shopping might be tough because your Valentine's Day birthday cards is not going to be where it says Valentine's Day.

So far, Inglewood. Oh, hey, yes, it's still not a problem, Ice.

Well, my team won't be there, so no, it's not a problem.

And this ain't nothing that some Moisturite won't fix, you know what I mean? Hey, hey, they, they got fixes for all this stuff out there. On a Sunday morning, the fresh Moisturite out the box.

You distracted?

Because anybody that— anybody that can appraise it is closed on something. It's going to get you a day of peace. Now, in a week, if your chick is wise, if she's a Weisenheimer, she go, hey, hey, big dog, it might go bad for you, but it'll get you a day of peace.

She going to try to insure it.

What else will get you a day of peace? Uh, them fake Van Cleefs. Oh, it'll still get it done. They still circulating, and there's still some really fine women out there that can't tell the difference at all.

Maybe your girl is one of them.

So no better time, no better time than now but to find out.

The links is to too big. The links is not supposed to be that big, Lord.

Yeah, get that shit off.

Yeah, the links be looking like they got them at fucking Slauson.

Stop, please.

It's crazy.

I'm just trying to help people.

Yeah, appreciate it.

I'm just trying to help people.

Somebody out there trying to help them.

Yeah.

How y'all feel, man?

Great.

What's up?

Great.

Fucking amazing.

Next one. It feels good to be alive.

Feel good to be here during this time where, right, the city is—

you're gonna turn up.

Why you ain't go to Cleveland and do what?

I was shocked, man.

People went out there, they was telling people no. Like Fat Joe was saying, like, they was— they wouldn't even sell them seats.

It wasn't giving floor seats.

Yeah, really?

Yeah, not to New Yorkers.

Yeah, Spike Lee wasn't on the floor.

Good for them.

On the floor? Yeah, you're not getting on the floor. Did you see how many Knicks fans was out there? They said 40% of tickets was New York, New Jersey residents. That's fire. I think that's dope. They took that shit over. I'm watching, I'm watching, look, I'm watching where the game is clearly over, like, because it was a blowout. Niggas hit a 3-pointer and it sound like if you didn't know no better, you just looking at this, y'all, third string point guard, when he shot a 3, the whole stadium fucking place went up.

Well, he shot a few 3s. He actually made more field goals than James Harden.

Oh, I know, because I had James Harden on my, uh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

Look, I respect—

Yo, motherfucker.

I respect the New York fan base for showing up everywhere they go. You can't hate on that. Like, I respect that. If my team was there, I'd want them to do the same thing. I love that. I also love that Cleveland is saying, like, no courtside seats for prominent New Yorkers. I respect that too.

I don't want to hear nothing else about what Cleveland has to say about anything. At least for another 10 minutes. Today's not the day for what Cleveland thought about things. Cleveland thinks that they're winning the series analytically.

Harden said that after the game. He said, I still think we're the better team.

Yeah, I know.

I hate when people say that. He said that? Yeah, in his press conference. He said, I still think we're the better team. I know what he's thinking, but I don't.

I don't.

Yeah, I think every competitor feels that way. I'm just saying, don't say it.

He can't feel that way.

Yo, fuck are we talking about, bro? They tight right now that he got an option because he got to play an option. They mad right now.

Oh yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure I have to—

I have to— sorry to break up this loser fest that you guys are at. It has to be. Y'all are not Knick fans. Uh, I have to just shout out the organization. I do, I do.

The fans traveling is great.

Good to see the New York fans have more money than some of the fans of you other fan base, uh, some of you other teams. That's a real good point, because the Knick fans are moving around, taking over buildings. Who knows if that'll happen in Oklahoma City or in San Antonio, but Texas is big. And the Thunder, man, let's, let's see, you got to get there first, got to get there first. Uh, but the organization, right, Leon Rose, uh, Worldwide West, uh, the repair job that they had to do just from an image standpoint amongst players in the league.

For a lot of years, the Knicks hated.

Niggas wouldn't go there.

Players would talk down on them.

We watched Kyrie and Durant purposely go to the Nets. We watched LeBron shit on everything we did. Like, yeah, the, the, the, their rapport with their colleagues and peers was just really, really, really down, really bad.

Teams wouldn't trade with them, and if you did trade with them, it had to be an absolute lease.

So to bring Leon Rose and Worldwide West in there, Allen Houston, uh, again, the Jalen Brunson trade that— I won't pull up all the clips of what y'all really said when that trade went down, but y'all out there, you know what you said. Uh, for your star player to, to buy into culture, for the Knicks to have a culture, yeah, for the star player to say, you know what, y'all keep that $113 million, I'mma just sign and, and do what I'm doing. Yeah, it's big, it's big.

Ballsy move to fire Tibbs, but they did it. Mike Brown, hats off to you for the job you're doing playing the bench, for getting him a bench. He's playing a bench, establishing the bench, being able to change mid-game in real time with what you're doing. Like, I can't say enough positive things about the Knicks. They went out and got, uh, an award-winning, uh, uh, doctor team. All of the doctors and the physicians and the health— player health people, they went and got got them. They won an award, whatever year that was, for being the best. They just did a lot in the background. Uh, the capologist dude that they brought in who has them—

you know, Cleveland, it was the most expensive team in the league, second apron team.

The Knicks, for all of these players and contracts, they are first apron team. They, they worked wonders with that cap and what they were able to do.

Uh, so much so that they call it a Knicks loophole, what the other teams trying to do. Like, the Knicks did some things that, you know, if you're just a fan watching, you're not going to really understand, uh, but if you're a real fan, a lot of work was done behind the scenes, uh, before the talent showed up on the court.

All of those trades— we traded Josh Hart for a chopped cheese in Cam Reddish. Cam Reddish wasn't getting no burn, and we traded for Josh Hart. That Anunoby trade Oh, come on, man. The fucking Donovan Mitchell trade that we don't do that gives us the assets to go get Bridges and all the rest of these guys. The Julius trade. You got to tip your hat to Karl-Anthony Towns. Come on, man.

I could be here all day with this. But the Knicks, the Knicks, for all of the years of pain and heartache and agony, i.e., the Roy Hibbert block on Melo and whatever game that was against fucking Indiana.

Oh my God.

About the heartache.

Uh, damn, what was I about to say? Oh, for all the heartache and pain, no Knicks fan out there would ever imagine that our next road to the Finals would be this stress-free. That's just the part that I keep bugging out about as a Knick fan.

It's not—

this has been a stress-free—

except for that one moment.

Y'all are grinded out when y'all down.

When they were down, uh, 2-1 to Atlanta, and people talk about, well, Mike Brown, you know, keep his job, blow up the team, trade for Greek Freak, all of Yeah, since then on this 11-game win streak that—

listen, historic, historic shit that they doing.

The other thing I like about the Knicks— I hate the Knicks— but the one thing I like about this story is the Villanova piece of it too. Watching 3 guys who played together in college come— I wish White Dante could be there too, but like, to see the 3 guys who played together in college play in the NBA Finals together is almost impossible to imagine. The odds of that are so, so low, and the 3 good good guys. They're fun to watch, they're fun in the press conferences, they play great basketball together.

Um, they look poised.

Yeah, they look a team is my biggest thing. Like, they are so in sync with each other on offense and defense, all the way down too. Yeah, all the way down, all the way down the bench.

Everybody matches their personality.

Yeah, they look connected. They look like job not finished. To go out on the road—

people keep talking about the competition they played, but to close out an NBA team on the on the road multiple times by 30 or more is no small feat. Facts. It's no small feat. They look like they like each other. They look like they're not pleased.

Uh, that was important.

They look like guys that did not want to hang up their NBA Cup banner, whatever that mid-season tournament is.

And we had that whole talk, should they hang it up, should they not hang it up.

Yeah, you gotta hang it down.

But in hindsight, no, in hindsight, yeah, these guys, these are the guys that didn't want I'm gonna hang that, but I respect that. And this is the best Knicks team that a lot of us have seen in, in our lifetimes. That's no disrespect to Pat Ewing, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, Charles Smith, Derek Harper, Charlie Ward, Hubert Davis, Ronaldo Blackman, all of the guys. There's no disrespect to y'all. Larry Johnson, Chris Childs, Allen Houston.

They just look like they are, you know what I'm saying? Like, you don't usually see that where it looks like the entire— from the front office all the way down, everybody bought into it. They believe— I, I hit— I hit you, I was like, yo, y'all got it. Yeah, I don't think they— I don't think the Knicks believe that there's nothing that can stop them right now.

And I, I love that feeling, and I want y'all to hold on to that so that when the season ends, uh, wherever y'all watch the other team win, whether it's the Spurs or, or the OKC, that you can pat yourselves on the back and say we did our best and we, we did something special. This is— it's like Rocky 1.

That's a different type of hate right there. No, especially when, when, like, they swept our team.

The fuck are we talking about?

I see that shit.

They gonna dog walk y'all. City gonna beat the dog shit out of y'all.

I don't think so.

I honestly don't think so.

I don't think so either.

I think the Spurs will make it tough. I think OKC is not going to stand a chance against the Knicks.

I think the world is going to be in for a rude awakening.

I'm, I'm, I'm—

maybe healthy OKC, but they're not healthy.

They're not going to be healthy.

Don't ever underestimate intimate, just the will and might. I think them niggas really believe like, yo, we cannot be—

no, they believe it.

And I take it further than that, stupid-ass dodos out there. Why would y'all want this group of Knicks to feel like they the underdog and read all that shit that y'all saying? I think they operate better from the underdog standpoint.

I think so too. I think they are going to— they're like Rocky, and I think this is their Rocky moment.

I think somebody getting pummeled in game 1.

I don't give a fuck which one of them niggas went over there. Getting pummeled on.

And don't say I didn't tell you, okay?

Or don't say I didn't tell somebody.

No, the Knicks gonna pummel on.

I think the Knicks gonna jump on.

I think that's true because I also think that series about to go to 7, so they're going to come in on tired legs and the Knicks are going to be well rested.

That's true. That's proven. Like you saw when the Sixers went 7 against Boston, they got molly-whopped in Game 1 against the Knicks the next round. It happens. But sometimes we've seen historically teams get too much rest.

Don't say this Sixers and Celtics again, we having a championship level conversation.

I'm saying y'all beat us.

Yeah.

So I'm saying you could repeat it, but sometimes when you sit out 7, the NBA Finals next Wednesday, right? So you talking about 9 days of rest or 8, 9 days of rest. That could be too much. Sometimes you get outta sync.

I'm not scared of the Thunder or the Spurs to even have a chance to win it. You gotta be in the dance. My team is there. It's been a long time. Knicks fans are pleased, but we are not satisfied. Job not done. Job not done. Job not done.

Job not done.

Ain't nobody celebrating too much right now. Job not done.

Can't wait to take your money.

Oh, I'm taking—

I'm taking all— oh, what's the bet?

What's the bet?

First I got to see who's in the finals. Why?

The, the, the theory out there is the Knicks can't beat either one of them.

Why we got to wait?

Talking a lot of shit for a guy that's got to wait and see some shit.

That's not my theory. My theory is that, uh, I think OKC is a tougher matchup for them. I think, I think the Spurs can beat OKC. I do. But I think if I'm the Knicks, I'd rather see the Spurs. The Spurs haven't been there before. I think Wimby's conditioning is bad.

I think he's— I agree with that.

I I think there's a few X factors with the Spurs that could play in the Knicks' favor. I'm not so sure about OKC, so I'm gonna bet either way.

I'm just saying, what's your— what's your—

how much is going to be—

what's your bet if it's OKC, and what's your bet if it's the Spurs?

I need to see the series because I made a bet with him before, and then the next hour and beat broke his neck, you know what I mean?

Like, Williams is a pivotal part to that OKC thing.

He is.

And, and now, uh, both of them are hurt. Oh, uh, Jalen Williams and Mitchell are hurt. That, that matters.

Yeah, all these things Things matter.

That matters.

But I still think Knicks can lose, and I hope they do.

Great.

Thank you for that. Thank you for that. You share that on, on your platform.

Uh, I got nothing for everybody.

Go Knicks, man.

What else? What we got? What we got? What we got? We'll get back to the Knicks later, man. I mean, we in New York.

I got to take my mom and my sister in town, and they text me at like 11:30, like, yo, where are you at? We're outside, come find us. Like, I'm asleep already.

Chopped cheese is for everybody, man, all around the world.

Outside in New work for the next 2 weeks.

Buy your neighbor— go ahead and get your neighbor a shot or something, man. Go ahead, it's good vibes, good energy in New York City.

Uh, since we're on Athletic Tip and we talking about losing or winning, uh, did y'all see Ray J this weekend?

Oh shit, yeah, yeah, unfortunately.

I didn't know there was an Aiden Ross stream coming. I don't follow Aiden Ross. I just woke up the next day and my timeline was filled with like pictures of like Ray J getting knocked out. Yeah, and Michael Beasley getting choked out. It was like those are the two things on my timeline at 6 AM. We gotta start with Ray J.

I thought it was AI at first.

Hey, I'll be fucking him up. Yeah, I'd be tearing this up in the house. Oh man, crazy.

AJ, Ray J, for what's his name? Super Hot Fire.

Super Hot Fire, yes.

But where is he from?

I'm not familiar I don't know. Who is he from?

I don't know. He's an online person, comedian personality. I don't know where he's from, but I mean, that's his—

that's what he—

okay, that's what he's known for. Okay, okay, that's what he's known for. And I wasn't super familiar with him. Ray J clearly wasn't either, neither his left nor his right. And, and so they did this fight. I saw the, the pregame. I just didn't know what he was training for. I saw him with Rampage Jackson training, so I thought it was just a spoof because of the way he was hitting the bag and because Because 6 months ago he said he was about to die in 2 weeks. He was bleeding from his eyes and his organs was going to fail. I was a little confused that he'd be taking on a prize fight. It was an MMA fight.

He was hitting the bag with Rampage.

Yeah, well, I mean, this don't disprove that he is about to die. Ah, if you about—

if you about to die, you can have a bucket list. Ah, I want to do all this.

What doctor going to clear that if you fucked up like that? The way he made it seem, ain't no doctor clear clearing that to let you get in the ring?

I mean, he had 2 weeks prep, he said, you know, it was last minute for him. I'm super hot fires from California, okay, Rancho Cucamonga, whatever that is. And, um, you know, it looked crazy in my mind when I saw Ray J get knocked out. I'm like, yo, they must have paid them niggas, you know. Like, I see Lance Stevenson and other homie in the ring, yeah, Beezy. Then I see— I'm like, damn, you know, they, they paying the bag.

That Ray J must never You would fight?

No, no, no. I thought about that, but no. They tried to pay me and Fat Boy to fight each other. Not them, but a company.

Washed you, boy.

It would maybe—

maybe in Jersey.

Ray J must be never trying to speak to Brandy again.

He keep doing shit that's like—

I don't understand where he's going with this. And that's my man. That's one of the all-time greats and legends and media fucking mavens. He's a—

he's a—

Ray J is great. So to watch him.

I mean, now I got to put under the lens him saying I'm about to die and being alive. Yeah, because got calendars, dog, and iPhones with calendars.

Yeah, uh, him threatening people's butts. Yeah, like a little bit less.

Him swinging on the Zeus owner outside of wherever that was.

Like, he just got a while ago, he just got a run of questionable decisions that to me, no, no no longer look like he's in control of it or like it's by design anymore, and that worries me.

Oh, it might still be by design.

Yeah, even if it's a concept, he—

oh, then he got rid of an architect. Whoever's doing this, this is a nigga— this is an 8-year-old drawing this play up.

He looks a mess.

Yeah, he looks so bad I almost called Billy the other day.

That's how bad he looked.

He looked so bad I almost called like, yo, keep it real with me.

Like, what's happening over there?

Is he good?

Yeah.

Like, do I need to be concerned?

I will say this, when you look at the lead-up to it, because I went back and watched it and I watched his little training videos, I mean, he is playing into it, so it does feel like a bit or like a character thing. But I think it might have went different than he thought it was. Did y'all see the post-fight interview?

It definitely went different the way he thought. He was hot. He was like, yo, yo, yo, this ain't— he basically was saying, this ain't what we agreed upon. What the fuck What was you doing? Because in the first round, dude ain't swing.

Dude didn't swing, and Ray J was doing his little kicks, and it looked like— not that Ray J was in control, but it looked like it wasn't gonna be an intense fight.

Like, we have an understanding here, we're gonna go in here and just fuck around and collect that whatever.

I guess the Cash App ain't come through.

It might have put someone— might have put someone to fight.

And I don't buy none of that, uh, this wasn't the plan. Even if he's right, even if that wasn't the plan. When you jump into these things, you have to factor in— you may get knocked out when the camera is on or when we are in go mode— that somebody might change the plan in real time.

Yeah, adrenaline kicking in, boy, might be a little something different.

A million years ago when All Hip Hop tried to get me and Mr.

Fab and Royce Da 5'9" to go battle, and they said it's not a real battle, it's all just like a friendly competition, nobody's really trying to win or lose or kill each each other.

I was like, yeah, gotcha, but sure.

And I hung up and I was like, nigga, everybody's gonna try to kill each other in that shit, right?

We're gonna try to diss the other person, and the one person that is going to be unprepared is the guy that's saying, all right, we're not going— this is not what we agreed to. Fans don't give a fuck about what you agreed to back there. You gotta know that there's a chance for you to get slept.

I feel like content is going into a different direction and continues to evolve. And I feel like people like Ray J, who was in the beginning of this whole content thing, he's trying to just keep up with the Joneses. And he's trying, you know, the whole streaming thing and thing that's happening in real life and all these things. And you're able to get a bag. Aiden Ross and a lot of these guys are able to pay big money. You saw Dana White there, like they're able to pay big money for you to go out there. You could look at it as humiliation, but I don't think the younger audience look at that as humiliation.

At all.

I think you look at it as content.

I feel like content now, looking like the man is not as important as it used to be. Like, as long as you're looking, yeah, you know what I'm saying? As long as you're being seen and this shit is about to go viral, which it is, we're here talking about it.

The only thing that stand out to me was the fact that Ray J yelled at that dude and was like, yo, we lost a lot of money.

That stuck with me too.

That to me says I had something on this going the distance, right? You get what I'm saying? I, I put something down for this to go the distance. You knew it. You might have said you was putting something down too, cuz he said we lost a lot of money, right? So it was like, yo, all right, I put— we going to listen. What we going to do?

That's a lot to say on a live interview.

If I put a lot down and had a lot riding on it and you fucked it up, you damn right.

Or is it—

I seen them ask Chris Brown, yo, I see you out here supporting your man, did you place a bet on him? Chris Brown was like, no, why would I do that? He can't fight a lick, right?

That's my That's my friend in real life. I know that. I know, I know he can't fight. Why would I do that?

You see him laughing hysterically at the end?

Yeah, yeah.

I, I was like, Ray J is a showman, so either he lost a lot of money or he's very quick on his feet.

Yes.

And had that as the excuse for why he got—

there's no world that Ray J should be in the Aiden Ross boxing League ring doing anything for any type of money.

Okay, so you say in my brain Ray J is royalty and he's from a family of, of music royalty.

Is the industry treating him like royalty?

That's one.

You could be royalty all you want, but if it's not adding up anymore, you have to go and adjust.

Well, when you say— when I, I don't know how to compute that.

When you say industry—

when you say the industry is the treat you a certain way, I think of the people in the music industry, and all of those people treat Ray J with reverence and respect. There's no room that he goes into and he's made to be the clown.

Yeah, but when he does—

that don't exist.

But when he makes music, are they treating him like royalty? For example, Brandy go make music, Brandy features on something, whatever, it's heralded. Everybody knows what she does. She's treated like a princess. When Royal— when Ray J does the same thing Is it treated that way by his peers in the industry? I think the answer is no.

He's not Brady, respectfully.

I'm just— I'm speaking to music royalty. He said music royalty. I'm speaking to royalty, how we treat music royalty.

Royalty implies family. Like, if you were the brother of a prince, you're royalty.

So is he like— is he like a— like a Latoya Jackson or something? Like, we consider—

all right, y'all playing on Ray J. Ray J has way more hits than LaToya Jackson.

But then Jermaine Jackson— my point, my point isn't—

Ray J has more hits than Jermaine Jackson. I'm not sure that's true.

I'm not sure that's true.

But it does—

I'm not sure that's true. We'd have to look that up. But all right, but my point is, Jermaine, you gonna give up like that? No, I mean, I'm—

because we would have to look it up. Jermaine Jackson does—

Jermaine Jackson, a lot of fucking hits is what I'm saying.

But I think Ray J, Ray J got a few.

But my point is bigger is just to say Ray J to me is a media legend. He's a legend in our culture. Yeah, from what he's done on all these platforms. Music legend— if he's a music legend, it is by extension of Brandy.

Awesome.

I'm saying there's no world in my mind that Ray J and all his accolades and his family's accolades should be in that ring doing that.

I agree with you, but I think that's his— real quick, I'm sorry— I think that's his thing. That's his thing. I think he actually likes doing that.

Oh, I, I couldn't disagree more with that.

So why do you think he's doing— you think it's money?

That's what it looks like more.

Yeah, but think about this.

That is what it looks like.

Even, even as far as cachet and, and how you're Where's the scooty bike? This is my point. Even as far as cachet and how you're perceived, you could start out on a, on a tier of 10, and based on the shit that you start doing consecutively over a number of years, people could start looking at you like a goof. So if you start giving the world that I'm play fiend, I'm this, I'm that, and I'm this and I'm that, niggas start having less and less respect for you. People respect you how you respect yourself.

Do you think they take— do you think the industry takes Ray J Yes is what I'm saying.

I don't want us to keep speaking past each other. I get what y'all are saying. His antics have made fans view him a certain way.

Exactly.

I totally get that.

The fucking group he started with the R&B niggas, him singing One Wish and verses.

He's had a few clown moments in a row. I'm saying that people in the music industry respect him. Not fans. Not the internet. People that run the music business in all different sectors actors respect Ray J.

That's, that's— I agree.

I'm not making that up. I'm not saying that he's the biggest star or any of that.

And my response to that is, does it show when he does music? He does music. Does it show that these people in the industry respect him and fuck with him? Is it being pushed? Is he being celebrated? Is he being highlighted? Does it show that these people who run, who, who work in the industry fuck with him musically?

No, but I don't think that those correlate. No, it doesn't.

But I don't think that correlates.

But that would explain why I end up doing other things now. That's what I'm saying. That would be the reason why I take this Antic-based route, because when I drop music, it's not being looked at a certain way.

I hate that. That's a crutch. There are 10 billion other things for musicians who no longer are coveted in their music to do before they turn into clown. That's not said enough on these fucking podcasts, especially Black Clown.

There's a billion career choices that you could take.

Do you think he wants to do music?

If he's doing music, then I think he wants to do music.

But Ray J, I've always known Ray J to be like a businessman.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't think music is even what he wants to be doing, just in my limited interactions with him. I think he wants to be a mogul.

I don't think—

yeah, so whatever he was doing with the TV network or his slate of shows, like, I don't know why that's not doing enough to keep him out of a ring.

Like I said, Scooty Bike, the sunglasses, whatever he was doing, like, he's going on for any of him in a boxing ring to be acceptable. This is not like when Sticky did it. Like, when Sticky did it, it's like, all right, MTV could call on you and do it.

Did any of those things work, Joe?

You could have 7.

Well, I don't know.

That's all I was gonna say.

But I don't know.

I don't know.

15,000 ventures, that don't mean that those ventures are profitable, especially if your lifestyle is such that those things are paying for your elaborate lifestyle.

In fairness, I mean, I feel like he didn't even stick to like the podcasting or streaming or whatever he was doing. Like when he first started doing it, it was kind of lit, and then I haven't seen anything in a long time.

I love Ray J, and I want better for him. If he's in a dark place mentally or if his health is not right, then all jokes aside, I want him to be well.

I care about him. Him and his, his fucking family. So there, okay.

Just if, if, if he is well and this is all by design and he's doing exactly what he wants to do, then at least learn how to fight.

I feel like that's my thing.

If, let's say me and you, me and Parks was going in there and we saying we gonna bullshit.

Yeah.

Once Parks start punching you in the face, punching me in my face, and he not taking off them punches. It's a different— it's different time we on. Parks is trying to knock me the fuck out. We on go time. I'm not gonna stand like, yo, but what you just—

wait, I know I can hit as hard as I can hit.

And also, right, I've never been knocked out, but as someone watching knockouts, I think it's probably a better idea to fall fast because the slow motion stuck in midair without slow motion drooling, and you like— and we could see the knots on head and yo, just hit the ground.

Episode from Martin.

Yeah, it was bad. I don't want to see Ray J stuck in midair, leaned over.

That nigga Ray J looked at him like, nigga, hit me.

It was bad. It was— I felt bad for him, honestly.

Me too.

You had to feel bad before he even fell because you, you could predict that, that, that punch was coming. Yeah, he kept setting him up with the boom, boom, boom. Ray J just wouldn't guard it.

All right.

Yeah, what you want me to do? Your face is right by my fist.

Yeah, smiling.

Oh man, it was bad.

I want better for Ray J. I'm with you.

Homeboy moved out the way and everything. He really could have kept boobopping him.

He just moved and let him fall.

Yeah, it was, it was, it was bad. The Michael Beasley-Lance Stevenson one was short, uh, and that was like more interesting and less embarrassing. I think if you get tapped out on a choke, you I don't want to get choked.

I don't want to go to sleep, nigga.

No, you got choked.

Right.

You got choked.

I don't want to go to sleep.

Yeah, so you see that, in that fight, I didn't see there was a loser. Did somebody lose that fight?

Oh, Michael Beasley lost.

Yeah, he tapped out.

Oh yeah, no, I didn't see who lost because both of them still will shoot you.

Right.

Oh, for sure.

And they was laughing after.

Whatever happened during their little hand-to-hand combat thingamajiggy they was doing, neither one of them really cared about it.

They ain't give a fuck about that gun. I'm not doing this outside anyway.

Has been breeding Cane Corso for the past 20 years. Them niggas got weapon collections. They don't care about this little fisticuffs.

Yeah, they look like two people whose friends that collected a check.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was like, I understand that. I, I think he coming off of they, they, uh, 1v1. Yeah, they're like, we're gonna do a third thing. I was like, that's how you end it, you know what I mean? Michael turned his back real fast to him, which was a really, really, really bad—

unfortunately.

Yeah, yeah, just never do that. But other than that, they look like they can fight. They can fight standing up. They just didn't— couldn't grapple. And that's fine. It's an MMA thing. I just want to see more people do it like after like 6 months of training. Like, to me, that would be more entertaining.

It's an interesting choice to do MMA, right, instead of like boxing?

Instead of just boxing, right?

I was like, dude, other niggas can't box, so they be thinking with the MMA, at least I could kick you.

Do any of y'all know how good y'all's grapple game is?

No.

No.

Mine is pretty good.

Nobody's ever had to function from the ground? Come on.

All right, it's been a long time.

All right, Superman.

I know, I'm just saying, it's been a long time.

All fights go to ground.

Where were you guys? It was just me.

I think my grapple game is above average, but—

Well, you trained. Yeah, word.

That's what I'm saying. So I like my chances, but you know, I got them niggas when we go to the ground. I'm trying to take somebody to the ground, as a matter of fact.

I got—

we go to the ground, homeboy, I got you, buddy.

You'd be surprised.

No, I'm talking from experience, not guessing.

No, no, I'm talking about if in one of these rings. I think in real life—

I'm not talking about in a ring.

Oh yeah, that's what I'm talking about. In the streets.

I ain't trying to fight nobody that really do that shit.

Are you crazy?

No, I'm talking about niggas with Equal hands is me.

I'm with you.

Joe about to go grapple the nigga with the cauliflower ear. What'd you say?

Niggas was letting you grapple and all that in the street?

Fights go to the ground in the streets.

They put him on his wallet. He didn't have a choice.

Fights go to the ground in the streets. You probably wouldn't know because as a gunshot victim, they rushed you to the hospital.

Oh, by the time—

By the time—

His fight was with the ER.

His fight was with his life.

By the time— That's so fucked up. You skipped the ground portion of the, of the tussle.

Hold on, hold on.

He walked right into that one. Come on, man. Oh man, I'm here all day. DVDs for sale outside.

Anyway, yeah, fights go to the ground, man. Goddamn it.

You got to do— how, how much money would it take y'all to get out there and do that with one of our peers? I know you going to say nothing.

I'm never going going to do that.

Flip, if somebody say you and, um, what's my man that does what you do but like on a slightly bigger scale?

Drewski.

Drewski. Yeah, Drewski ain't doing that shit. How much would— for a million, would you do it? No.

Yeah, he only going to get $50,000.

Drewski going to get the $950,000. Shit, you know what's so crazy?

I just held you out. When you say your bitch ass, you was fighting the ground. You think Drewski Huh? You think you're giving 50?

All right, that's cool.

He told me it's a good look.

You know, look at these groupies.

Look at these groupies. Yeah, call out to him. Call out to him. Listen, at the end of the day, how much would it cost?

I'm not—

I'm not doing a fight, nigga. Ray J offered me to fight Fat Boy. I told you I'm not doing it.

Yeah, but I thought it just wasn't enough.

You said Ray J offered you to fight Fat Boy?

Yes.

How much did he offer you?

But Ray J just took a $250,000.

So y'all friends? Why y'all ain't just draw up a play like all the others?

I mean, that's what Fat was doing, but you know, I mean, I'm not I'll tell you right now, if a podcast, it was a million dollars, I'll do it. It was before I got here. That's my baseline.

You're not going nothing less than a mil?

It would depend on who it was. It would depend on who it was, nigga, because at some point somebody's gonna throw your shit out. Oh boy, that's what I'm saying. A million dollars.

Let's take the three options.

We know your MMA.

Let me think.

Let me think. I'm trying to think of somebody Black.

Oh, who's that other doctor they be trying to put against him?

The other doctor dude, Boyce Watkins.

Oh, is it Boyce?

I just texted Boyce.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you always just texted.

You literally just text me 5 minutes ago.

But we talking about violence, nigga. I don't care about your text thread.

Boyce, I would do for—

for Umar, Roland, Umar the One, and Roland. Umar the One.

Umar's bigger than him though. Wouldn't be like— the weight is different.

Yeah, we different classes.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that wouldn't be fair.

I heard you being shady. I catch your shade, nigga.

What was the shade?

There was some shade in there.

We heard it different.

I see how it could have been different weight class.

I'm not above that. I just wasn't thinking.

You know, Brother Mark, I've been letting you slide a lot.

We are from Philly.

We are. I checked your man on the couch in Oatmeal. I checked your cream man on the couch. Don't let me come for you. What up, man?

No, but I would check you.

Would you do it?

Look at me.

Yeah, of course.

That's what I'm saying. People act like they wouldn't do shit for me. I believe you broke his leg for free.

You right.

That's a solid point.

How would you do it for him?

$75,000? Do what for $75,000?

That's disrespectful.

No, I'm just saying.

If you wouldn't do it for $250,000, why you think he would do it for $75,000?

I was just coming here, nigga. I'm not doing it for $250,000, nigga. Them niggas would have killed me up here.

I feel like a million, even if you lose, everybody would be like, yo, he got a million dollars for this.

But it gotta be a way you lose. Some of these niggas going in there to embarrass you because—

Hey yo, a nigga could put me to sleep for a million dollars. $1 million, I'm cool. Yeah, take your butt, right? You freak. That's where you took the—

how you get—

how you get—

everything is with money with this nigga.

But how did they get to take his butt?

Also, they'll be wearing boxing gloves, like, it's not the easiest thing to do.

That nigga took it to take his butt.

That was strange. A million, everybody can justify it.

Not everybody, nigga.

You can't.

Half a million, it's pretty justifiable.

You can't justify getting a million dollars?

I can, I can, but it determine—

it—

a lot of things play into that.

What, what plays into it?

Which account is the million going into?

How am I going to lose? Are we— is it real? How much time I need? But then I need a lot of time.

If it's real, you could train for, for say 6 weeks.

I need more than that.

6 weeks ain't long.

I seen you, I seen you eat.

I seen you jump off a balcony into a table of—

yes, when I was young.

Not, not—

what you talking about, nigga? When I was young, you ain't make a million dollars doing it.

I seen you eat 70,000 oxtail beef patties in a week for like $7,500.

First of all, don't eat oxtail.

Remember them couple weeks he was running that store that make the famous beef patties, oxtail beef patties? He was running it every day eating 800 of them shits. He was like the Nathan's Frankfurter champion dude.

When you shit on my $15,000 that I got, right? When you came and shit on my shit. When you shit on my $15,000, I did that for $15,000, right?

So a nigga giving you a million—

I didn't eat none of that shit.

Yes you did.

Shout out to—

I understand what you mean when you say people get on podcast mics and lie and just lie.

No, he's—

there's a lot of things niggas would do for a million dollars.

When the last time you touched a million dollars?

First of all, he's lying.

When the last time you touched a million dollars like as a whole, not in portions or pieces or—

2020. 2020 as a whole.

Like, raise your hand if you believe him. On the count of 3, raise your hand if you You believe in one?

No, no, but are you saying my money, or I'm just saying I touched a million dollars?

Oh, like, I got it.

You physically touched it? You trying to make jokes? I touched a million dollars. He just asked when the last thing you touched—

are you talking about your money?

It doesn't matter if you talk about physically touch it. It was 2020 if you talking about that. Now if you talking about me, it does kind of matter.

Yes, they trying to press you about it. I'm satisfied. They trying to press you.

Oh yeah, they can't—

they didn't answer your question, but them niggas ain't touch—

come on, man. Them niggas ain't— come on, man.

I don't pretend.

I ain't got these niggas ask them.

You know these—

I'm not asking them to touch that. Them niggas ain't going to say 2020.

Them niggas is hoppers.

They ain't hoppers.

I said that shit on my own, nigga. I was outside. Watch your fucking mouth when y'all talk to me or about me.

Watch your mouth.

Jesus in the booth. Hey, I sue you, nigga.

I sue you. You ain't going to get shit.

I ain't got nobody.

I saw you in that black car just now trying to buy a car while Joe was talking. Buying a car on your phone while my man was talking. I saw you, nigga.

I was taking—

it was me.

Damn.

You was drunk buying a car.

He had his black car trying to check out.

Hey bro, if you tell us, nigga.

You Apple Pay'd a car?

No.

The world will know.

I was making a text and Flip was looking behind me. I was hitting, trying to close my screen out and accidentally hit the Apple Pay.

He got mad bread.

He got mad bread, I saw it.

I don't. This nigga nuts.

Oh, you gonna protect your man?

Yeah, so.

Text me for once, you bitch-ass nigga.

Oh, it's time to pay bills, right?

It is, it is.

Let me let this rock though for the non-believers of the Knicks out there though.

Why you go?

Yeah, I mean, there's a couple out there, couple of y'all out there that doubt it.

Some of y'all ain't believe. Believe.

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I can't believe that nigga said I still think we the better team.

Yeah, he really said that. Blame Harden. Blames Harden. Can't call him James no more. Yeah, lame Harden.

I still say, not to make a basketball convo, but Draymond Green said something last week that I thought was really interesting, and I agree with him 1,000%. And he was basically like, James Harden's job isn't to stop Jalen Brunson.

True.

And he said like, we would never do that to Steph, we would never put Steph on the island. Not to say Steph couldn't stop his man, but that's not his job, that's not what he get paid to do. And there's a bunch of people out there whose job it is to do that. I agree. And I think there was a little— oh my fucking God, I was like, where did you find that?

You just spray painting?

Yo, I ain't gonna lie, that's fire.

For those of you—

that's fine.

Yeah, those of you on Spotify or other audio platforms. Joe Budden just came out with a New York Knicks broom.

Yeah, don't sweep my room.

Yeah, the paint job is questionable, but the sentiment's right.

That is hilarious. Hey yo, come on, man.

He believe— hey yo, bro, don't believe in that. He believe in that. What's wrong with you, yo?

I'll sweep you with this right hook.

Fuck wrong with you, yo?

Oh, y'all keep talking, don't mind me.

So sweep me your feet. You believing in the marriage shit, right?

Nice.

Looking at that nigga.

Yeah, don't—

go ahead, just get out the way.

You can smell the swept spray paint on that shit.

You really can't. Damn, you really can't.

Stupid ass nigga.

Why he going back in there?

What else do you have out there?

Why am I holding it, fam?

What?

Oh, he got two. Wow. Parks, remember last week when I said there was a couple sweeps? Remember when I said New York, New York fans would most obnoxious, and you said no, they weren't. You still hold on to that?

Yeah, I still hold on to that.

You think a Philadelphian would do this? You think a Bostonian would do this?

Yes.

You've been, you've been over there hating for this whole episode.

That's different. I'm hating as a Knicks hater, not as a Philadelphian.

This guy is absolutely crazy, son. Sit down, man.

I got nothing to say.

I got plenty to say, but I'm, I'm hold my peace, bro.

Broom for you Sixers fans. Broom for you Cavaliers fans out there, man. It's trash. Clean sweeps.

Horrible.

Clean sweeps.

Back to the nonsense.

Draymond, what y'all was saying again?

Draymond said that it ain't Harden's job to stop Brunson. I agree. Yeah, Harden has never been a quality defender. However, what he gave up on the defensive side of the ball, he would more than make up for on offensive side of the ball.

You guys, respectfully, no, no, you know I love y'all and I want to hear from y'all on some of these other topics. You're right. All right, on this topic right here, big dog, it's over.

How about this topic? Sorry, y'all, since we talking basketball, uh, during the game, and I've been liking the coverage, you know, T-Mac, Vince Carter, Carmelo Anthony, um, great coverage.

Yeah.

Some of the fans on social media have been upset at the wardrobe choices. Specifically, uh, they think that, uh, Carmelo is too casual. They don't like the tracksuits, they don't like the sweatsuits, uh, they think that that isn't professional, that as an NBA analyst he should be wearing suits. I disagree. I actually like what Melo's doing. But do y'all— I know some people are very traditional about that. I've seen— when I saw you on ESPN years ago, even because you had your Twitter background, you wore a suit and you're rapper.

Mark, I see your shade.

There's no shade coming, I swear there's not.

I'm telling you, I could sense your shade. I sent you—

what's the shade?

I don't even get this one.

My little egghead and that little fucking lavender little number I had, whatever the fuck I wore up there.

I didn't even remember what it was.

Crazy up there with my little pink tie, nigga. I know, I know your shade.

I tried it, I swung.

I gave it a swing.

You've had worse swings.

Listen, I was smarter enough to at least have the idea of what it should look like.

It just didn't connect. Yeah, it just didn't connect.

Uh, Carmelo do be up there casual. It'd be a fly casual.

Yeah, yeah.

Carmelo Anthony for me is one of the best dressed men I know in terms of that shit that he'd be doing, like the sports retired casual but fly.

It's just about—

it's just about how it be looking next to Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter sometimes. Vince dressed like he went to college in North Carolina. Tracy McGrady literally dressed like his eye got— like he got the biggie eye sometimes. Like, he gonna put the fucking patent leather Pradas on with whatever color suit he got on. So everybody looks great individually, but as a collective, when you look at it all together— and that's on a producer to say something— but yeah, I can see how they see Melo and be like, all right, this is— sometimes I see him be like, all right, this looks super casual for what we're doing right now.

Let me ask, is he great at the commentary?

I think he's really, really good.

Yeah, that whole team is good.

It's a great team and they're great together.

That team's good.

So why does it matter?

It matters a little bit.

I'm just asking.

It matters a little bit.

It matters. It definitely matters. You don't see commentators traditionally commentate Diktators are suited and tied up.

We're not in traditional times though.

It's never changed, so I don't think it's been that bad.

But it was trending this week a lot more, and I don't know if it's because the stage is bigger.

When in Rome, bro, you gotta do what Romans do. And if that— again, I, I think that's up to the producers of the show, but when everybody in here is coming suited and tied up and you come in in a sweatsuit, you will stand out. And when you stand out, it opens the door for public criticism.

Well, some niggas are okay with standing out though. Yeah, comfortable, I guess. So if he's comfortable with that, I don't— he don't give a fuck that y'all talking about it. Are the producers okay with it? Am I doing good at my job? Are the numbers where they need to be?

We'll find out next season.

I disagree.

How would you feel about if somebody did a, um, spoken in front of a sermon or whatever in just casual way? How would you feel?

A sermon in, in the church?

Church?

Or somebody gave a speech?

I don't care about that.

If somebody gave a speech in casual wear.

I think that if you go somewhere where, um, the dress and the attire call for a certain thing, then I think you follow that thing.

Got it.

Agreed.

I think—

do you think that tenants should be able to dress casually if they haven't paid?

Like, if they haven't paid rent, they better dress casually.

Pull on some slacks.

I don't see nothing nice if you ain't paid.

Can they, can they go cop new shit? They could do whatever.

Can tenants that didn't pay yet wear business business attire.

Yeah, hopefully they handling some business.

Like, you go, you go by the crib and it's a big ass—

that's all I want.

I'm gonna ask him how you feel then. You go by the crib, it's a big ass 85-inch TV box outside, but you ain't got paid yet.

Yo, if I pay you rent, don't drive by the house, dog.

No, he checked the cameras.

Don't drive by the house.

He said the cameras on his phone.

Like, if you the landlord and I pay rent to you, there should be no time where I see you come over here.

And if you need to come, but you ain't pay rent, that's how we got here.

Don't matter.

And you 2 months behind, don't matter.

Don't come on this block.

You're not gonna get it pulling up.

Yeah, what you on the block for, to see what I'm doing?

Yeah, I had a tenant I paid one time and they had— this was like the early aughts— and they had a big-ass DirecTV dish on the front of the house that wasn't there the last time I was there, which was the last time, because I was collecting rent in person back then.

And that just looked odd in Philly, right?

Yeah, all of—

all the above.

Row houses, nigga.

It's row houses, you ain't got no choice. You ain't no roof to do. But like, she had the joint out. That made me want my money. It made me less sympathetic.

You know what, what happens with me?

Some socialist.

No, that's why I got out the game. I was like, I can't play this game and be who I want to be because I, I was hard to be sympathetic when people would be like, fuck you, you know what I mean? She was on Section 8 and then she got a raise at a job and so the government stopped paying her portions. So I used to get like, like 90% from the government, then I started getting like, we split it 50/50 and she stopped giving $50, and then it went up higher, and the government was only giving me $50, and she was giving me like $550, you know what I mean? It was, it was stressing me, and I felt bad for being stressed.

I, I feel sorry for, especially for, uh, single mothers, but like, motherfuckers that be married, I have zero, zero empathy for you.

Say more.

Like, two incomes here, like, I—

but married don't necessarily—

some of my tenants got Benzes and don't be paying their rent.

This nigga is parking lot watching. This nigga's watching the driver.

Way.

You got to hide, you got to hide the car.

It's not even like just in regular— yo, dog, people, you know what happens? Like, people don't prioritize accordingly. And especially if you young and Black, it's this—

it's this—

not young and— it's, it's a, it's a mantra that landlords are rich.

That, that's just this big thing now, that landlords be rich.

Huh?

He's spilling his heart out.

No, no. And then niggas see the pie and they start thinking that you real rich, not knowing we on welfare. Fair salary up this bitch.' And so they started thinking like, 'Yo, he got it. He don't need—' He got it?

You got it?

Well, welfare's normally for the people that need anybody here has the option to leave and abandon this shit if it's not serving them or what they want too. Everybody can definitely live. I believe in welfare when you walk away from there. We love welfare!

Yeah, yeah, we love welfare.

I'm from welfare. Yes.

Uh, Kevin Hart's business needs our attention.

Kevin Hart was on The Breakfast Club and he is replying to some of the criticism that his roast received, mainly, uh, Tony Hinchcliffe on the George Floyd comments. Like to hear it. Here we go.

It wasn't a tasteful joke to our culture, to our audience, but our audience that's watching the roast— if you're watching the roast, you get why they're doing it. I hate to say this, but I'm going to because we're being honest. People are talking about that joke. Talk about the set. Tony Hinchcliffe arguably had the best set, or one of the best sets, between Tony and Cheryl. And I would say Naeem— like, what, what is it that you expect me— you want me to, to take a live production and stand up and, and fight Tony or have a reaction. Like, Tony told a joke, we didn't like it, okay, hey man, fuck that joke, we move on. I don't understand why we stand on the hill and it becomes like this, this big thing. It wasn't a tasteful joke.

Um, I think he said—

and that was just a clip of it. Yeah, he, he's right.

In that it's— we, we're in the middle of a live broadcast. It ain't nothing that I could do. That's not true.

Yeah, that was one of the biggest lies he told. That's not true at all.

No, I just— Mark explained because I asked him like, what else could he do?

And when you was just like, Benjad, yeah, I get it.

You want me over with that.

Secondly, um, well, there were other jokes taken out of it, which says that someone somewhere along in the process had the ability to remove jokes jokes from the— from this. So we can't just die on the 'it was live, there was nothing we could do.' That's not true.

How do we know? There's a tape delay when it's live for instances like that, when somebody say something too stupid and you need to pull it.

The fucking BAFTAs was live. No, I'm talking about not that part. I'm saying that, yo, he said the joke, he said the joke, I can't do whatever, because it's Kevin Hart's roast. I don't think him making a, a an issue, I think it would have been worse. But you still can't say what would have been worse. If Kevin Hart would have shown that he was offended, it would have went way left.

What about if he would have shown he was offended prior to the airing of this, like when it came across someone's desk?

I don't know if— I don't know if they— he read everything. Is it—

is there a world where nobody saw that Yeah, could I say that?

Because were these people unfamiliar with Tony Hinchcliffe?

No, I'm talking about that joke. I'm only speaking to that specific—

Tony Hinchcliffe has made that George Floyd joke at at least his— I want to say his last 5 appearances. He's been thirsty to get that George Floyd joke off at all of these functions. Yeah, this is not a new thing with Tony Hinchcliffe, or this joke, or this joke.

I didn't know about the joke, but, um, I disagree with him in the fact that that, um, his set was just a great set.

I didn't think it was. It was cool.

Nah, his set was decently funny until it went too far.

It was cool.

It was cool. It was cool. That joke was very, very funny.

Oh, I disagree with him saying that. Yeah, I thought Tony was— Tony's set was arguably one of the best sets.

However, the George Floyd joke put a greater stench in, in me than whatever I had in me from you doing good up there. One, I told I totally disagree when Kev says everybody watching the roast understands what a roast is and they're watching. That's, that's not true.

No, it's not true. That was very evident.

I was going to get into that point, like, yo, uh, yeah, it offended our culture, and then, um, everybody watching— that's bullshit. Because it's white people, it's people that just have a little bit of tact and a little bit of class to see that that joke was—

I mean, we just heard Chelsea Handler say that she was offended and uncomfortable by it.

It ain't even just that joke. I saw people offended at the, uh, some of the shit that was said to Cheryl. I saw people offended at the Pete Davidson dad jokes. Like, everybody did not understand what a roast is.

And I think context does matter. I remember, like, Pete Davidson don't know his dad died in 9/11, so, you know, he was in the building when the planes crashed. I remember one time I watched every roast, every celebrity roast, and there was one time where they were roasting Kevin before someone else was getting roasted, but when Pete was doing his crowd work, he went to Kevin and said, Soul Plane is the worst thing that's ever ever happened to me involving an airplane. Like, right, it's like, so if he's willing to make that joke on himself, then that kind of opens, opens it up.

Yeah, but everybody don't know that.

No, I'm with you. People will get—

yo, Michael J. Fox made Parkinson's jokes on his own. Yeah, I make a Michael J. Fox Parkinson's joke and they was coming for my head. People don't even know that he plays it. That's what I'm saying, like, it's times that people don't know the full dynamic of shit. I get that. And they just get offended for the person and make the person cool.

But this is where it gets tricky for me. I think if it's a roast and there's rules to a roast in a genre, I can't— I'm not responsible for the crowd not knowing the genre. But I do think that there are boundaries even within jokes. Like, for example, I'm not against racial jokes. I remember Jeff Ross one time said to Shaq, like, hey, during the Shaq roast, your knuckles are scraped, did you walk here? Like, that's clearly an ape joke, then some racial joke. But I think that's right at the line.

George Floyd, somebody else will be on something.

That's funny. It's a funny joke. It is funny. Yeah, he told, he told Shaq, watching you shoot free throws is like watching, right? Some people might say that's past the line because you're talking about mentally disabled people. Other people might say that's funny.

I think people inside the comedy world and outside appreciate a really great racist joke. Yes.

However, if you miss or it don't connect the way that you thought it would, then yeah, you're gonna have to deal with some people being offended over the shit that you said, right?

And when you start talking about somebody that lost their life and all the civil unrest and all of those things that transpire after that, it's just a bad tasteless joke.

And but again, I'm not, I'm not talking about Tony right now because Tony is white and can think whatever he you want. He come from that Roganite sphere that I agree with Chelsea and what she said. I have no conversation for him or the likes of people that think like him. My conversation is back to Kevin, Kevin Hart.

This is a Black man. This is Black excellence, one of the biggest comedians that we have.

And for him to— it ain't so much about the joke and who was offended and who wasn't, but for Kevin Hart to gaslight people, because that's what he's doing, for him to say, oh, I don't understand why people are offended. It was just a joke. It's overblown. He had one of the best sets. The people that are offended don't give a fuck that he had one of the best sets, Kevin. And if anybody's supposed to understand that, it's you. But Kevin Hart sound like, hey, some of those accusations of being cooned out may or may not be true sometimes depending on what room he is.

Two, he sound like he just got entirely too much money to even think about anything.

He just sound like a nigga that's too rich and too up up and too wealthy, and you got to play certain games when you are at that level.

That the higher up you go, the more disconnected you are, and the more you start playing the game up there, thinking on the macro. That's what I think is missing the point too.

I mean, like, I agree everything else. I mean, that happens. If that joke were the outlier, I don't think we'd be having this conversation. Most people who are upset about that joke are upset because they see that joke as an extreme symptom of the bigger issue throughout the whole thing, which was a bunch of white writers getting racist, getting racism off through jokes throughout the the entire, the entire show.

See, and that's the part about Kevin Hart that I would love to be able to champion. We, we saw a homie from, uh, I think Michael, uh, Michael Che from, um, Saturday Night Live.

He posted, he posted, yeah, shout out to him.

He posted the picture of the writers. Yeah. So the Kevin Hart that I'd like to imagine, it's your roast, you could put a Black, you could put a Black writer in there, right? I mean, I say all the time, all white Yes. Yeah, yeah, they were.

That's what I'm saying. It's like, that's a lot of them racist jokes. It's still different when you realize there's a bunch of white men in the background getting their racism on, especially when he just went on to say, hey, that roast was produced by my company, right?

Well, everything that he does, and we'll get into that clip in a minute, is produced by his company because that's just the way that the business goes now.

I'm just saying it's different if I don't have— my company has nothing to do with that. I just show up. Totally different on that side. But I'm like, your company is a producer of this, so you got a little bit of input into at least the writing room, right? Yeah, I'm, I'm with y'all.

I say all the time that, you know what, cuz Black people always rush to throw the racism card out, and sometimes it don't be racism. Sometimes a white person just really don't know or is totally tone deaf. And I say all the time that just asking a Black person would save so so much shit. If, if you confused, like, like, if you're confused about what would be appropriate and what wouldn't be appropriate, just ask a Black person. But that's tough to do when there's no Black person in the room, and that's tougher, a tougher pill to swallow when we talking about one of ours.

But to Ice's point, if Kev don't look at himself as one of ours, then I ain't about to keep looking at him like that.

Why you think— and he clearly don't, by the way that he sounds.

But I heard that we I just wanted to say up here that sometimes, you know, comedy has gotten soft and we like the dark jokes, one. Two, when Dave Chappelle was doing all the trans jokes and stuff like that, I heard some people, not up here, but were making an excuse for him. Like, "Yo, yo, it's all right, man. Yo, come on, it's just jokes." So it's always gonna be something that somebody's offended by. We offended by this because it's George Floyd, and I totally agree with you, the joke is disgusting. Justin, but listening to him— well, not just because it's George Floyd.

That's a large part of it.

George Floyd. But it's George Floyd from Tony Hinchcliffe, written at a Kevin Hart.

But nobody knows written by white writers. Nobody initially knew it's the gun. But nobody initially knew that it was written by, written by white writers. I came out pretty immediately.

When Shay posted that?

Within 24 hours. Yeah. Okay, then, then.

But that's what we saying, even to the people that didn't know, from what we were hearing and feeling, it was safe to assume.

Yeah, it felt like that.

I don't like the George Floyd joke, but I did— I do hear people saying that, well, we like dark comedy, let the— comedy's getting soft. I heard that.

I heard the same thing flipped because I'm seeing people say, yo, well, we don't like the George Floyd joke, but we love the Charlie Kirk jokes. I didn't like that joke, but I'm saying there are people saying, yeah, what side are we on with this?

And we've argued some of this already, so we don't need to keep rehashing talking points, but you're right, it was important that he went on The Breakfast Club and addressed some of this shit. Yeah, here he is talking about the hit piece that went around about his company and getting rid of all these employees.

A story came up, I would even go so far as to say a hit piece, okay? And had my— said inside, definitely a hit piece, 1,000%, at Kevin Hart's, uh, media company, okay? So there's a report about layoffs and executive shakeups and internal Chaos. When you see an article—

clip is a little long, but I'm gonna let it rock.

What do you think? It's dumb. It's dumb.

On the day of your roast, it's—

well, yeah, because people are looking for fucking clickbait. They're looking for clicks, man. So, okay, how can we take advantage of a narrative? Facts in Kevin Hart's business: Kevin Hart just did a big deal with Authentic Brands Group. You're doing a big deal with Authentic Brands Group? Kevin downsized hard beat like the rest of the fucking entertainment business. No joke. Overhead expenses means you cut back. Why? Because you want to keep your margins a plus. Well, you want to keep them conservative. EBITDA is important. Making money in the business is important. A failing business is not well. Making sure that my business operates efficiently is what I did. Also, in the world of fucking content, it's forever changing. So do I want to own all content now? No. Are we producing and developing as we were? Yes. You just saw Funny as Fuck on Netflix, hit, a great thing. The Roast, Kevin Hart's next movie, 72 Hours, produced by Heartbeat. Like, we just fucking bought— we just bought Lee's, Lee Jeans. We just bought Neiman Marcus. Like, we, we are now a part of an ecosystem that will compete with the likes of Bernard Arnault, who is luxury, etc.

Authentic Brands Group is doing the same thing. Oh no, the, the business of Authentic Brands Group is not different. Guess Jeans, like, we Champion, Reebok, like, there's shit that we fucking have underneath this capsule that's growing. And you're gonna look up in fucking 5 years and you're gonna see Shaq, Kevin, and Beckham. I'm like, damn, damn, man. These motherfuckers have been moving like this for quite some time. They're moving and operating at a scale everybody can't understand. That— hey, you can't see that. You don't understand that. So what my goals are at this point, what I'm trying to do at this point, is some shit that is ridiculously crazy to achieve. And if my focus is on dumb shit, well, how am I fucking working hard?

So there is still a heartbeat because people are saying heartbeat is never going. It's no longer a company, it's all authentic.

Like, Kevin Hart will never do a movie, a project, and allow someone else to produce for me. It has to come from the concepts, right?

Yeah, I believe we're great. We don't need any more of this, right? Heartbeat.

I'm broke, man. He's talking big shit.

He is, he is. I'll say this, and I And just to the other point, I, I don't think Kev— I don't think that Kevin Hart is not for Black people. I think Kevin Hart loves Black people. I think he's rooted in Black people. I don't always agree with his choices, um, and I do think the higher you go up, the harder it is to see the people. And that's for all of us. So I try to give him some grace, even though I think that Comedy Row shit was wrong. Um, when it comes to this business thing, it felt like a hit piece. We said that that day. Yeah, for sure. You know, one of your biggest moments, suddenly this outlet is deciding to put your company's business on blast. Some of it may be accurate, some of it may be inaccurate. We don't know. We'd have to do an investigation. But to put it out that day in and of itself is a problem. But, and I like what Kevin said there, the framing of it as he's cutting staff, he's doing this. The article, I read the whole article, they didn't put it in the context of the business industry.

Industry, I ain't seen a company yet that isn't cutting, right? With very few— I'm talking like large companies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't need 85 people to do this. True. And in the age of AI, in the age of— I mean, there's a million reasons why people are cutting back. And whether I agree with cutting back or not from a philosophical perspective, Kevin Hart isn't doing anything different than any other company. And they made it seem as if he did. Now, there were some things in the article about how they delivered the news and about, you know, the Zoom and not taking questions. That's HR stuff, right? And every company has those problems too. So again, I don't want to hold Kevin Hart to a different standard than I'm holding all these other companies, and it felt like that article did. So I was glad— absolutely did.

Even to the point about speaking to how the news was delivered. I came in here and told y'all a couple weeks ago, Coinbase, the employees walked in one morning, it's like, yo, they all got an email, hey, check this out, we firing a majority of y'all. Walked in, nigga, uh, and and, and those who are affected will get another email in an hour. I think so. So, so I'm just saying, like, the delivery is— that's just— that shit is happening across the board. Standard. Yeah, that shit is happening everywhere. It's just this shit felt personal.

It felt like an attack. I think, I think it was Cisco. They laid off like 30,000 people, I think, and they sent them an email at 6 o'clock in the morning, like via email. You just got bumped off. Um, what, what I heard in, in Kevin Hart speaking is that there is a level— and anybody that I've ever heard speak, when they start to really climb that corporate ladder, there is a level of detachment that comes along with that. Everybody can't go. Um, no, I'm just starting to look at shit in a macro sense, not a micro sense. And so if the roast was extremely, extremely profitable with regards to revenue, then the end's just justify the means sometimes. And we look at that down here and be like, nah, that's bullshit. They just look at it like, yo, dog, um, I'm just trying to do something as a Black man in business that very, very few people have done. So all of that shit that you talking about is, is white noise.

That seems like a little bit of a cop-out in the grand scheme of things when you're talking about buying Neiman Marcus and Lee's and Reebok and all these fucking massive brands. How How valuable is the roast in that grand scheme to just be like, we can say whatever we want over here?

I mean, you never know what that—

that could just be on some partnership shit. Like I said before, I, I— all I saw at that roast was Netflix spending big money. That's it. Even from the, the special guests who we can't announce because we didn't pay them to be on this panel. We paid them for 10 minutes or 15 minutes or whatever the case may be.

It was megastars in the audience.

It's a crowd, right? Everything I saw was this was a ton of money spent. So if I'm partnered with them, we want this to be a success with all this money spent and all this money.

He might got a $200-300 million deal with Netflix. So I'm just, I'm just throwing this out as a guess, right? Sure. So maybe that roast didn't generate that, that one particular thing, but my Netflix partnership overall might have been an immense success, and I'm not gonna shit on that over a couple jokes.

I mean, I don't agree back to, back to my point about Kev's framing of the poor taste Tony Hinchcliffe joke and Kev saying, hey, this was one of the greatest roasts ever, like, why is everybody all offended and upset about it? Like, I hear that, and not to bring it back to the coon word because I'm not saying that, it's just been said before, but I hear at and think, oh, this is, uh, this is, uh, this is a flag in somebody who puts their own agendas and interests before how other people feel about their means to get it. That's what it sounds like. This sounds like more gaslighting to me. To me. Let me talk, please, for for a minute.

I don't see it that way.

Well, I know you had your opportunity to explain how you see it.

This sounds like—

because I've read that article too, and some of what the article's point was, it wasn't just about you laying off and getting rid of all these people. That may have been the focus, but that wasn't the main point. The main point was whatever the original, uh, objective for Heartbeat Productions was to fund new talent, shine light on new comedians, and yada yada yada. There's— they were saying somewhere along that objective changed and everything became centered around Kev. So if it wasn't about a project with Kev or where he was highlighted or a movie he was doing, then the focus kind of just was lost and it wasn't important at the company. See, I even disagree with that.

I disagree with that. He just— like, he spoke to— he just had a hit on Netflix, funny AF, that did what? Bring up a bunch of comedians that niggas never heard of and try to give somebody a shot. And you follow along with this, somebody won that, and the winner got an hour Netflix special that y'all probably wouldn't have gotten before. Like, I'm, I'm literally doing that. That is the company. But that could still be exploitation.

And again, we not—

but you said, you said it makes everything centered around Kevin. It wasn't. I'm a judge, my name is on it, it's my Breeze, with all due respect, if, if, if—

and we don't know— but if he were exploiting young comedians and going to get a big bag of money and putting the camera on y'all while he pocketed— it's a gender that benefits him.

Yeah, like, if that is his thing.

And I don't know none of that to be true, but the— this, this does sound like gaslighting to me. It does sound like there's more going on. Let me just ask you, to that point, and that don't mean that everything he's saying isn't true. What show don't do that then?

What show doesn't do what? Don't— when, when discovering new talent, centering around somebody, like, why are we calling it exploitative when Kevin Hart is doing it? We didn't call it exploitative for American Idol, uh, Masked Singer— I mean, not Masked Singer, excuse me, but, um, uh, Dance with the Stars.

Any of these shows, any of these talent shows, we absolutely called it exploitative for American Idol and a lot of these other shows that Red Stars. Yes, yes. A lot of people have put them in predatory contracts.

A lot of people have been on these shows and spoken.

So yes, I mean, that's part of the America's Top Model investigation too. Wait, I'm sorry for a minute, y'all.

I'm getting a call from a Celtics fan. Yeah, hello?

I'm just congratulating— I'm just congratulating the true Knicks fans today, that's all.

There we go. I appreciate that, G-Spence. See, real— a real dude right there.

I can't fuck with the fraudulent.

This new wave is just, is horrible.

Yeah, some of them are bandwagoners, but y'all know the real ones. Y'all know the people that, you know, the bandwagon gonna happen.

Yep, that's it.

I'll call you, I'll call, I'm gonna call Fat Joe.

I'm gonna make, I'm gonna make my rounds.

It's been a while, so congratulations.

Well, I appreciate that, G-Spin. Thank you very much for, for this humble call that you gave. Go Knicks! Go Knicks!

You heard me? Yeah, I can't go that far. Thank you. I'm happy, very happy that you guys are sellout. Well, thank you, man. Just, just keep watching. That's enough support. Just watch. Let's get these ratings up. Bye, G-Spin. I've done my piece.

Goodbye. Peace. You could tell he—

I love that tone. I respect that call. You got to respect a couple other people that called like, yo, I'm just calling the real Knicks fans. I'm not calling the bandwagoners. I know that have really been there. I'm calling y'all. Congrats.

Uh, Mark, I'm sorry, you were saying?

Yeah, I don't think it was I'm not saying anything except— what are we talking about? I really don't remember now.

Uh, Kevin Hart. Oh yeah, right, right.

With the— I was just saying, all those shows are exploitative, and I do think that we have to call them all out. My thing is always just don't hold the most vulnerable people to a different standard. Don't hold the Black executive, the woman executive, the first— the new money executive, whoever it is— don't hold them to a different standard.

That's what I was trying to say.

And I'm with you. I do think we have called out these other talent shows. But I stand corrected. No, no, no, but, but I think some people are— it sounds like a different group of people get outraged when Kev does it. Let me ask you a question.

Yeah, shouldn't we be held to a different standard?

Um, and it's not—

this don't have nothing to do with Kevin Hart. I think that oftentimes if you've never walked in somebody's shoes, you can't empathize with them, right? And so if you have walked in those people's shoes, I think you should be held to a different standard because you've been there before. I, I— one of my analogies, y'all know I like them, is, yo, if you, if you got bullied before and then you learn martial arts and you become a bully, you worse than the shit that was bullying you. So if you know how it feels for your mother to be laid off in a certain way without a level of dignity and respect, then I'm not going to lay off somebody else like that. Word. You understand what I'm saying? If I was once in, uh, climbing up the ladder, and now that I attain a certain level of prominence and wealth, I start treating people how I didn't like to be treated back then, I think that that's a bad— a worse thing than when somebody else do it. So again, this is not Kevin Hart shot, but when Black people get in positions of power, oftentimes for them to turn around and start acting like their white counterparts that didn't know our struggle or that didn't identify with us, I think it's worse.

I mean, it's not a Kevin Hart thing. I just think that we should sometimes judge Black people how they carry themselves. Yes, judges. Even when we don't judge the white counterparts.

So I would make a distinction, because I agree with 1,000% with what you just said. I would make a distinction between a different standard and a different expectation. I expect more from Kevin, or I expect more from the person who's been bullied and learns how to box or some shit because of what you just said. But I'm not gonna only go after the person, I'm gonna go after all the bullies. And I'm saying that there are are some people who have only chosen to go after Kevin. Kevin. And that's the part. So, so hold them all to the same standard. But yeah, I want more.

I expect Black people to do more for Black people because I, I agree what he said, everything he said about the business aspects of the company. I mean, it's just, yo, we climbing up a ladder. I mean, and when you focused on— Magic Johnson once said, yo, I'm about to get mad at him because he won't take a meeting for a $2 million deal. And so they look at him like, yo, you was a point in time when you— you know what I mean? He's like, yo, dog, the same 2 or 3 hours that I'm interviewing you for the $2 million $100 million deal, I'm looking at a $200 million deal. So those just conversations not worth my time anymore. So I think Kevin Hart is getting elevated. I think Kevin Hart is starting to get into that air up there where it's done. I don't care, I don't care about the joke.

Black people, black rich people that got up there in the corporate ladder, it's really rare that anyone gets there and don't focus on big picture stuff. Yeah, that's rare. I try to look get up to see— I mean, it's rare.

A lot of people lose track of what's going on.

But then even if you look at certain things like this, you repeating yourself now.

All right, we got it. It's tough to see what's going on. You doing the right thing, Kev. You got some going on, and I'm gonna be here when it break. What the they talking about?

So when you get up to that level, , you're gonna focus on big picture things, . You're not gonna focus on things that may be—

you do it now, whatever.

And on top of that, I might change. Excuse me, I mean like if you got your friends around, I think that that's something great, but you want a trajectory that's different, and I don't think that you're going to be focusing on my minute things that may be minute to you.

Yeah, I don't think so, because there's times that somebody— you'll be like, man, I don't care about that little shit. I just got bigger fish to fry. I don't care about that little shit.

Okay, we keeping an eye on it. We paying close— we are monitoring this situation. We love you, we wish the best for you.

You think it's something else? I could— I understand what he's saying.

Yeah, I think that it's deeper than, hey, I'm watching my overhead and I'm trying to scale.

We got all that shit is true.

I'm not arguing with nothing he said. I'm not arguing with nothing he said. I just think there's more to the story that he's really not letting on to, bro. You ain't— I think a lot of it has something to do with whatever lifetime deal he signed.

You ain't just hear him say, yo, we don't have to own— he said that. That was one of the little gems that I think he dropped, or one of the subtleties, that, yo, dog, I don't necessarily have to own this shit if I'm producing it.

And, um, because that article is accusing him of switching up since he signed whatever lifetime deal.

Yes, possible. Yeah.

And he might be saying the way business normally functions over here something changed, something changed when he got his lifetime deal, and now this seems to be like an afterthought, and it's a surprise to everybody. Again, I have no idea. Kev, we love you, we're rooting for you, but we are monitoring the situation.

Sorry, buddy. Speaking of keeping your eye on people, Stevie Wonder's been in the headlines for the— yeah, yeah.

Hey, Mark, you're one of the best at this shit, man. You are. People think we're not getting along with you. Be killing this shit.

I don't know why they think that.

I don't know either. It's It's really—

I think Elevation just be reaching for shit now.

He just makes shit up. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Um, Stevie Wonder made the news this other day. He was bodying people in that game.

What's the game?

The Hang Game, where you were trying to touch and you got to smack the hands first. And it wasn't just that he was winning, because you could win. I mean, he plays the piano, he's an artist, he's a musical genius. But he was kind of— actually, you could break it better than I can.

Listen, man, he saw what he was doing. You want me to break it down? He saw you and he was playing. He rocked you niggas to sleep while he was playing too. Got him, got him, and was talking shit.

Yeah, see that? See that? Yeah.

Where's the shock? We've heard enough Stevie Wonder stories.

The jig is up.

I'm waiting to see him driving.

I thought this— we heard that story.

I need to see I want to see him on the highway.

Said he backed out the driveway. I'm not—

I don't usually believe these guys' stories because they used to be ridiculous, man. And I still think Stevie's blind.

Yeah, but there's blind, blind, blind, right? There's levels to blind. It's like a blind—

it's like Straight Ish in Hollywood. There's a blind spectrum.

Stevie ain't just looking at pitch black forever. No, that ain't— that ain't the blind that Stevie is. He at least get gray.

Yeah, he gets some color.

He see something in there, some movement, some, some silhouettes.

He see something.

Maybe, maybe it's only fingers and cars that, that he can see, but he sees something. He sees something.

Uh, y'all can't convince me otherwise. I don't care. It's crazy, bro. Sorry.

Shout out to Stevie Wonder.

He's doing that shit too easy. Got him. Yeah, got him. All right, it's a timing thing, man. He's a musician. I know, I know.

He's a pianist too.

I mean, specifically, like, he's very finger conscious. Yo, listen, speaking about people that could see, that's me. And because I could see, I'm here to put the talk to bed on the internet. That lady's a doctor. Facts.

She is a doctor. Sorry, y'all. No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, y'all. And stop questioning her.

Hey, hey, Dr. Cheyenne Bryant, I know I'm phony. I waver from side to side sometimes when too many of them educators get on my timeline. I be thinking I need to be down with them, and that's That's never been my story. That's never been my story. Dr. Cheyenne Bryant got on her internet, sick of you motherfuckers. Oh no, she let you have it. Sick of y'all just chatting shit and put on a bikini and recorded. Had the music on. And that was all that needed to be said. I gained understanding. Oh, I got perspective. I totally see where she's coming from. Stevie see it. That lady is a doctor. I'm not gonna deal with you educators out there that, oh, she didn't get in on the very she lying, the school burn down. Guess what? We don't care at all. Pretty privilege trumps all them hundreds and thousands of hours of schooling that y'all motherfuckers got. That's just the way of the land. I don't make the rules. Salute to the good doctor.

Yo, y'all are so easy.

This nigga is nuts, dog.

She is— that lady is whatever she says she is. For those that don't know, great looking lady.

She was on the internet.

Great looking lady. Great looking doctor. Yo, why y'all act like we changing the rules now? Great looking women are allowed out to lie. That been since the beginning of time. That ain't a Joe Budden podcast thing. Fine, women lie, do what they want. Yeah, yes, and we love it. Yeah, yeah, this lady ain't no different. She was up here, was an absolute doll to work with, I mean, an absolute pleasure, except for that little, uh, parts exchange.

We ain't fuck with that.

We ain't fuck with that parts exchange. Other than the karmic exchange. On that one. Other than that, that lady looks absolutely gorgeous. Go Cheyenne! Good for you. Fuck them educated people. And juicy. Yeah, salute Dr.

Bryant. Salute Coach Bryant.

I, I, I— sorry, sorry, sorry, you real doctors. It's me. Sorry that you real doctors ugly as hell.

Hello, Coach, Coach Brian. Coach Brian.

That's Doc. No, I, I'm actually exhausted from the whole Cheyenne Bryant conversation. I feel like— well, she put it to bed.

You can wake up. You can wake up now.

Talk about—

did you see the slides? I don't know if married people allowed to watch it.

I do my research on all the topics we do. She posted—

did you see what she put in close friends?

Are you in there? No. Look, me neither, nigga.

That was a test. That was a test.

If I was, I'm not no more.

But there's only one of us in that close Oh shit, it's only one of us in that close friend. Nigga got his nipples played with. Flashing lights. Nigga got his nipples and his butt played with when she came up here.

On the serious tip, I have exhaustion from the Cheyenne Bryant conversation online. Yeah, I saw your piece. And I think it's too much. I'll say this so that people don't think I'm being unequivocal. Do I think she's lying? Yes. I've always thought she was not telling the whole story. Again, I just didn't know which parts was lies because I've heard different things behind the scenes that I can't repeat.

Does it—

yeah, let them know. Here's why it matters. I'm gonna tell you the only thing that matters. You keeping it rough.

Shut up, nigga. And you've been turned down this whole episode being trash. Oh yeah, nigga. What you would say, Mark?

We holding you down. You've been trashed. You've been trashed this whole episode, nigga. Wake it up. And you're going to Trinidad soon. I am. Snap it up.

We need Nah, my energy is where it needs to be right now.

All right, I think it's mid. What'd you say, Mark?

I think two things are true at the same time. I think there's a whole lot of people who have a legitimate criticism of Cheyenne Bryant because of the dishonesty. If she does not have a therapy license, she shouldn't be doing therapy. She shouldn't be calling herself a therapist. If she doesn't have a doctorate, she shouldn't be pretending she has one.

That's a therapist. I know the fuck you talking about. That is a therapist. I'll book her and I'll pay more than the nigga's really depressed.

But there's somebody out there. There's somebody out there and all of a sudden serious is there's somebody out there that may be going to a person for therapy, and if they don't actually have a license, I'd be very worried about what they're getting. And, and in a, in our community where we are afraid, reasonably so, of the therapist, the psychologist, there's a lot of Black mental health fear for legitimate reason because of the history of this country. If somebody comes out and turns out to be fraudulent or turns out to not be who they say they are, and we're relying on their expertise for the advice, then that's Drake. Fair. And she not fraudulent. And who will lie?

That is a doctor.

Who will— nobody— how do you know that? She said—

again, she said she's been doing therapy for 20 years. Mark, you hating now.

Yeah, now you hating.

I hate no what? You think I want titties? What he keep talking about? I'm not hating.

You said you sung a different tune in the kitchen. Now she not your brand of vodka. But in the kitchen, you was down with her. You calling me out now? Yeah, now she not your brand of vodka.

Then And then the third point, which is the point that I think is in defense of her a little bit, well not in defense of her, in defense of the conversation is, some of this shit ain't got nothing to do with her. Some people are just using this to flex their own shit. Like I'm seeing like 3 weeks of, well I got my real degree, here's me on stage, here's me with my degree. It seems like it's a—

Y'all should have me up there.

Yeah, it's like a lot of elitism, a lot of classism, a lot of elitism, a lot of self-aggrandizement. A lot of people patting themselves on the back and using this as an opportunity to flex that feels like ain't got shit to do with Cheyenne Bryant. And that part's unfair. I'm done.

Listen, man.

Listen, man. Bryant, yes!

Hey, no better way to speak help in our community than—

Wait a minute. Hey, I just think it couldn't get worse.

You made it worse, nigga. I ain't make it worse. I offered a responsible response. You be playing the fence a lot with Cheyenne Bryant.

How am I playing the fence? I be listening to I be looking to you for advice. You play the fence, nigga. I'm not playing the fence. Are we on his side or are we not? Yo, he answered.

I answered. Yeah, he said— he said—

he finally answered. No, he finally answered it directly. He said, do I think she's lying? Yes. I said that before.

No, you still playing the fence.

Y'all are too smart to not understand what I said. This sounds like somebody trying to explain to their girl why they had to take a—

you ain't said that.

I specifically—

hold on, let me get this shit off.

I specifically read the directed to you for a yes or a no. This wasn't one of those read between the lines.

Our questions aren't yes or no.

This wasn't that. It wasn't a yes or no either.

But you just answered yes. That was my point.

Because I have more information now. After we got off—

We had that information.

After we logged off of this segment, later that evening, people went on Reddit, or what's it called, Threads, and showed that you could log into the Argosy site and they showed their degrees. The next day, she did an interview on Washington news, and when they asked her why those questions, she started talking about God and all that shit. At that point, I did a whole video saying, you know what, at this point I can't ride no more. I'm just glad you finally answered.

That's all I wanted.

Oh, he's saving for his shit. Every time I keep thinking that you run out of Mark Shish Kebabs, you make more. Like, what?

You be putting Mark on that skewer with this one topic.

Only with this one.

I don't think everything is yes or no. I just— I don't, because I also have information. And I told you on the balcony, and so part of what Freeze is doing, which is brilliant, which is a Joe move, is— it's a great tactic. He knows the things I—

breaking the fifth wall.

Breaking the fifth wall. That is some shit I'm not going to say on air, so he can keep asking me that, cuz he knows I'm not going to get an answer.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I ain't even letting you do that.

My stance was this before I Breeze, yes or no?

Yes or no?

Yes. All right, so you can't— I could, and you still asking it.

You better mute up, nigga. Yeah, you better mute up, boy. Yeah, you already know what time it is. You better not say a word, people.

Not a peep out of you, boy.

We know what side you on, boy.

But that's why I fuck with Ish, cuz he ain't going to waver when it's something he want. L— I mean, when it's somebody he support, I mean, at that slip that wrong. Super support, boy. I slipped that wrong. When it's somebody that he supports, he going to stick on the side. Now she is a doctor, she put a book out, we can't say nothing negative.

Yo, I didn't, I didn't see the genius in it.

That boy, I can see why your number is in the 20,000s. Goddamn, another 10 on you, cuz he's still able to— yeah, he can still fuck when everybody abandon you.

Like, yo, I'm still here for you, yo.

I held you down, you know, I wasn't I couldn't, I couldn't let them play with you. Only thing being his way is Imani. All right, anyway, moving right along, moving right along. Yeah, yeah, what's up? Anyway, what else is important, unimportant? What else needs our attention?

DJ Head went and announced that he had edited, um, Too Hard for radio without the disses and said, for all my conflicted DJs out here, meaning out there on the West Coast that wants to play this song, I did a version and I took out the disses. The head edit.

Pause. Sound like an Ice Move.

Yeah, but you don't put it back out. Like, you do that for yourself. It's not an Ice Move. I do my edits.

You know, you distributed some—

you distributed some— I distributed one. I, I— when you try to turn You back on Black Twitter, you.

Yo, we knew you back ago. I did do an edit before. That was 3 years ago. No, I'm talking about that one. Oh, he still had beef over there.

All right, you still a Black Twitter dude and Black Threads. No, wherever there's Black, there's you, unless it's Cinco de Mayo or St. Patrick's Day.

Wow. Yeah, or any appropriation day.

You supposed to be my—

wow, I put my head down. Silent jokes from the newer account. That's cool.

Silent Joe, that was wild. Nah, um, look who talking now. What, what I peeped was Head basically low-key saying that shit is a slap, uh-huh, but we just don't want to hear you dissing us, right? So I'ma reproduce the song so that all the other Cali DJs could play this slap.

Well, he walked it back though. He's— I was just joking. And yeah, because they jumped on his ass. A slap is a slap.

They jumped on his ass about what?

What why did he walk back? He, he had not— that he was just joking. So because he really put out the DJ— I know that, but he was like, I should have worded my jokes better. Like, he basically was saying, oh shit, the backlash, let me address that by cleaning up and saying it's a joke. Even if you put it out, you still— the fact that you didn't stand off, stand behind it and ran and said, all right, it's a joke, you edit some shit, edit it, my nigga. I guess I've been doing Yeah, it's not that serious.

Plenty of radio DJ edits historically, but that speaks to your records.

That speaks to the record. Speaking only for me, if anybody I know, like, or love plays a Joe Budden diss record with the Joe Budden disses edited, nigga, you're still a Joe Budden diss record.

Like, that didn't change nothing for me that you muted out Fuck Joe Budden.

The essence of the song is rooted in Fuck Joe Budden. Like, we had DJs ingrained in the chakras. So now my man vibing out to it, but it's the clean version of Fuck Joe Budden. I'm gonna look at my man like, what the fuck are you doing, nigga?

No, hold up, because when Finito was, was doing what it was doing, and that, that is a classic record, the Jersey DJs DJs knew we got to cut that part out. You're not gonna let this with a smash record come in here and say I'm blowing New Jersey up in New Jersey. The crowd like, no, DJs edited that. So I get what he was doing.

Yeah, but we were just—

the announcement of it is what— where it didn't— I don't like that example.

Jersey DJs was still fine playing that record because we got the results back of the example that was laid. Sure, we— you said that, everybody in New Jersey knew that Chief Keef was never returning to New Jersey. Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah, it was very clear for people in the know in New Jersey.

Oh no, you see, I didn't have no problem listening to that song knowing that Chief Keef wasn't coming back to New Jersey after saying that, and that he knew it.

They tried to get him in Atlantic City for something like 10 years later. Nah, sorry, that's Jersey. Nope, nope. So I get it. And that was still—

still now that it's cleared up, that was one of the hardest.

No, that is—

no, still, that's one of the hardest dishes ever.

Even though Jersey learned them, that's still one of the hardest dishes ever. And I ain't gonna hold you, in hindsight now, when it come on in the club, like, boy, do I be jamming. I jam that shit. We about to blow New Jersey up, nigga. Yeah, you can just flip the meaning. I mean, I mean, I just think about Elizabeth, New Jersey, when he say that shit. Like by the airport, like all that stink warehouse fucking sanitation smell shit, all that fucking shit that look like where Swamp Man was born. Blow all that shit up.

That can go. That's just stink.

That nigga, I mean, that's Ice Hood, you know that, right?

He kind of—

I mean, if you really think about it, Ice Hood was in the house under the bed, nigga, tucked in safe away from danger. Why you keep telling me about a hood? What hood? You mean the hood this Blanket? You mean the hood is duvet?

Was in his bedroom.

What hood? Like pajamas? His pajamas had a hood? Had a hood on them? Yeah, hood.

Being my hood more than you being yours.

Ice Hood. Well, they actually tried to kill me in mine because I got busy. What they did to you and yours? They tried to get me in mine too. What they try to do? They try to get me in mine. That's because you tweeted something that made you get naked and take your jewelry off. No, no, that's because you tweeted something you shouldn't have tweeted that made you get naked out there right on the, uh, on the mean, take your jewelry off kindly. But they let him keep his drawers on. They let him keep his drawers on. The fuck?

They let him keep his drawers on.

I remember that. They stripped him right down, right by Cinderella. He tweeted something he shouldn't have said. They caught him. He was tweeting it still when niggas— this before dropping low became a thing. He was in the strip club like, yo, I'm in here having a blast. They pulled up on him.

They They say, yo, you, you, you, you officially—

oh, you making matches. I say, yes, I'm officially— they said, come out of that. Hey, they turned into, uh, who Run-DMC made that song with, Walk This Way?

They told him to walk this way. This nigga's a fool.

It's cool, man. Shit happened to the best of us.

I'm sorry you went through that. I'm not.

I'm here. You got a new chain now.

Yo, never risk your life for it. Give it up. Anytime they press me for chain, I gave it up, nigga. I ain't in here playing tough.

Did they let you take it off like this?

They used to rob me in the day.

Nobody took my chain.

What did they take? A watch and his wallet and his dignity. And his dignity and his Game Boy. Give me that Game Boy. Took that nigga a whole Jansport. Freeze that Game Boy in Arsenal was nowhere around, not his brother or the guns. Neither Arsenal was there.

Shout out to Baby Bo, man.

Absolutely nuts. Oh, I'm talking shit right now. Hey, at least they fucking made Ice strip down to his, uh, boxer briefs in the nighttime.

They, they used to rob me plain daylight out, the sun out.

It's wilding.

It's all right, man.

Happened to the best of us, man. If you would have got a chain, what you think would have happened to you? I had a chain.

I never got I never see a picture of you with a chain.

Oh, you get around to it then.

You post a lot of your old footage, but I never see no footage with a chain.

Oh, I'll show you. All right, I got to see it. My chains are still in my house, still there. That's a good way to keep them. Yeah, I mean, one of them is fake, so I don't want to wear it no more.

Huh? You still own it? Yeah.

Well, uh, let's see what else is important. What else is unimportant? Oh, we didn't even talk about that old Torrey clip that's, uh, floating around about the good dog.

Yeah, look, look, back to our girl Coach Bryant.

Doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor, whatever you want to call it. Ain't no Coach Bryant, Dr. Bryant. Dr.

Bryant, 'cause you agree with us in the kitchen.

Well, I still call it Dr.

Bryant. All right, so why you saying coach?

You said more in the kitchen too.

Yeah, you said a lot more.

I heard that. What did I say? Nothing.

Oh, about the video?

Oh, the video was fire.

I ain't— join us. I hate when you draw your doctor line and stay away from us. Join us. The video was— we was in She can perform surgery on you.

CPR.

Coach, baby.

Yeah, coaches don't CPR, you know what I'm saying? So, um, he got up out of there.

That's how you answer your question.

They piling on with her a little bit. This is the shit I'm talking about, right? A video came out of her on the former show, uh, I forget what it was called. I used to work on that show too. I was Basically, she and Tarek worked on a show on Fox Soul, and, uh, they released—

re-released an exchange between her and who they are is discipline and boundaries.

If gentle parenting creates gentle children, sign me up.

I definitely want to create more gentle adults, especially men.

Hold on, everybody. Especially men. You are a very, very Hold on, guys, hold on, guys.

That's what we need in the world is more gentle men who understand.

You're very gentle and it comes at an angle that doesn't always work for, for, for people.

Let's just stop, let's just stop, let's just stop, let's just stop and go back.

Torrey wigging out.

Look at Torrey. Because I'm wrapping the show and you're interrupting me. First of all, we spent a whole meeting on this.

First of all, Torrey, Torrey, first of all, Why would you let me wrap the show?

I'm ending the show. What's the point of interrupting?

We're getting out of here. Like, what is the point? Lower your fucking voice and stop speaking because you're acting very, very gentle.

That was a lot of noise.

She said very gentle and very feminine. Hey, that was—

that wasn't— he was kind of Cuz your phone locked.

Oh, well, we tap into your gentleness and real quick.

Oh, here we go.

All right, not how you professionally approach. Here we go.

Sorry, y'all, I'm back.

You don't talk to me like that.

I'm not your wife. I'm not your wife, softy. Don't talk to me like that. Talk to your wife like that, not me. Talk to your wife like that. Do not talk to me like that. Professional. Where she from? That is not how you professionally approach me. Don't fuck with my wife.

That's not very doctor of you to say, yo, talk to your wife like that.

I apologize.

I mean, check yourself. You don't talk to me like that.

She had to stand her ground.

You feel like he was— That's the problem.

Talking to me like that, that's what you do.

She had to stand her ground. That's what you do.

You better tap into your gentleness and real quick.

It's still standing your ground.

I mean, the nigga came out.

I'm looking for a nigga here now. Y'all not about to defend this.

Are we ready?

Of course I am.

You crazy. I've been ready. Did you see the video?

Yeah, the other video.

Areva, Frankie, y'all ready? Yes, I'm gonna defend this.

Oh, got it.

You ready to already wrap this up? Yes, as I was doing. And then we'll speak off camera.

Here we go.

Yeah, then they allowed him to close. Defender, go ahead.

I think that, I think that you doing that live is whack. I'm not a fan of nobody doing that live. Doing what live? If we had a conversation behind closed doors and we had this going on, for you to bring that up live and try to embarrass me live, I think that shit is whack.

Bring what up live? That's the part I'm not following.

Cuz he said, yo dog, we just discussed this behind closed doors, you not letting me talk, you not letting me close up, and he kept cutting her off, cutting her off, cutting her off. If you did that live on air, I think that's unprofessional.

I don't know what clip you heard. That is not what just happened at all. So what you just said he said was in response to her interrupting him while he was closing the show. True. So we talked about— we talked about the format of the show, and I'm closing it. Why are you interrupting me closing the show with calling me softie.

That was after he did that. His response to her initially interrupting him led to all of that.

Yes.

So this might be helpful. So he was rapping— it's not live, by the way. Okay, so the show's not live, it's, it's pre-taped.

Okay, that matters. That matters.

When he's talking and trying to give his closing comment, now he is trying to get the last word, but but he's also driving the show.

It's his job to give the last word, right? I agree.

And so when she interrupted him, that's why he said, let's stop, let's just stop, let's just stop, let's just stop. He wasn't saying— he's saying, let's just stop the way we sell parks. Hold up for a second. He was saying— this wasn't what the fans didn't see, this part. He's saying, let's just stop. Then we put it out for members only because she— the EP, from what I've been told, I spoke to her this morning about it, was so embarrassed by it. So, um, he was saying, stop the show, let's re-record this, right, without you interrupting me. We just talked this in the meeting. Don't interrupt me. So he wasn't trying to embarrass her in front of the audience. He was saying, yo, what the fuck are you doing? We already talked about—

just talked about this.

You came in here and did it anyway.

Like, all right, let's go back.

And then she started hitting them with them jabs. I will add for context, and again, this is what I was told from someone who worked on the show, not the EP, but someone else who worked on the show this morning. Um, I'll tell you exactly what she said. Uh, I respect my man Ish. That there were— that there were two episodes prior to that, that you can look for yourselves and see where Teray had been taking jabs at her and she didn't respond. So, so, so there was also a way that she felt like she'd been holding her peace and she'd had enough. Got it. So even if in that— I'm not saying it's true because I didn't see those other two episodes, but in that moment it sounded like they had something brewing and that just exploded right there. But I do think from my perspective, in that moment, she was the one who was unprofessional to the extent that she just let him close the show.

I'm just lost as to— because you you fucked me up when you told me this is pre-taped and not live. Yeah, even with all that, why does this go out if, if in that point— exactly, in that point, this ain't live. Let's cut it, let's fix it, whatever we got to do, let's get this shit right. Yeah, we had a little back and forth. Yo, we just talked about this, you don't have no— why you interrupted me? We just had a meeting. So all right, we have that, cut that, come on, let's come back and we put out some clean shit. According to myself, seems like this is out for a reason, because I want people to see that.

So the hit piece, it's re-released for a reason.

But I will say, according to my sources, they both wanted to put out right then at the moment when this happened last year, that they both asked for it to be put out. Now I think for the attention, I don't think Cheyenne Bryant would want to put out right now.

Like, that's the point that I'm getting at.

And again, I'm not, uh, gonna harp on this for too long. If they're having a conversation about is it appropriate to beat your kid or not beat your kids, when is it ever appropriate for you to now attack somebody on their stance? Like, all of that, you calling him a softy, feminine, talk to your wife like that, not, not to me. Like, she was trying to emasculate him, she was trying to degrade him, and she was trying to stay low, low, uh, below the belt shit from somebody who is professional and on a matter—

like, it's like, what are y'all even really—

should you beat your kid or should you not beat your kid?

And it all all she said in the closing was, hey, maybe we need, uh, gentle adults to raise gentle kids.

You have gentle parenting, you'll create gentle kids.

And you know what she was trying to call him, and you know what she was trying to say. Of course we're not going to say that part, of course, but you know what she was calling him, right?

She went right there. That's, that's the go-to.

But see, Joe, that goes— and Flip, that goes to the thing we were saying earlier when you were asking who, like, what kind of harm has happened in her care. If you're not a therapist, let's just say hypothetically you're not a therapist and you you lied about your licenses, you don't have the degree, and you're doing— and you're giving bad advice, that kind of— and you're managing someone's relationship, and I'm giving relationship advice or parenting advice, it could make shit worse, right? And I'm trusting you because you got them degrees and them licenses, and you say shit like that. That would scare me because I don't think a licensed therapist would say that or should say that. I don't know if they would or not, but they— I don't think they should. So that would be another reason why this is bigger than just a beef between her and Tarek. For me, that to me is more— I don't care about what happened with her and Tarek. That's, that's, that's— I've worked on that show and I didn't work with— I worked with her, I didn't work with Tarek. He wasn't there yet. I think he was my understudy.

But I hate humble flex. I'm teasing.

Tarek is my man. No, that was a humble—

that was me fucking with you. That's my man.

I love Tarek. I'm just fucking with him.

But he's my little man.

He's the king of Fox Soul.

That is not a good thing to be. He the Fox—

he the Fox—

Spotty in the Tom Joyner Cruises. No, but, um, but I think it speaks to a bigger issue, uh, that's making people look at her sideways. And it's definitely a cash grab right now. I think anybody who has any Cheyenne Bryant story, any Cheyenne Bryant anecdote, anything, is gonna put it out and monetize it. I have— it's like a Cheyenne Bryant industrial complex right now. When you go on YouTube, there's at least 5,000 videos, all of them got decent number of views on them.

Well, I'm on her side. Sorry, the game is the game. I didn't make the rules. Whatever she say is going on, she right. I agree with her, right? Goddamn it. Pretty privilege. Fuck them degrees. Fine privilege. I hate y'all.

Y'all so basic.

Do we want to live in a world where, where people are not rewarded for their pretty privilege? I don't. No, I don't. Hell no. Look at this. I'm gonna leave my boy alone. That's how some of them ain't pay their rent. That's right, cover up.

You look good, you don't got to pay. You look good.

He don't play that shit. My boy got to cover it up during the Cheyenne topic.

You see everybody's hands like that? And he got the gray sweatshirt on.

Look at my boy. And he got the gray sweatshirt on, boy. With the gray sweatshirt. Cover that shit up, boy. He like this. Because he can't pretend to be cool no more if you erect off this conversation.

So cover it up. You doing the right thing.

Yo, anyway, moving right along, man.

Anyway, what else needs our attention?

You told me, you said, yo, I'm, I'm gonna need an ISO because we were all wrong about Carisha's record.

Oh, that scamming shit?

He's telling me— well, he told us that shit doing numbers.

What you niggas? That's scamming. I ain't gonna lie, that shit doing crazy in the streets, boy.

I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you, buddy. Freeze! Yo, this is not an ad. Y'all know me and Karisha don't even always see eye to eye. That nigga's ass.

Spend that money. Hey, hey.

Trying to get cash. When that go, y'all bad. This shit is hard-ish. I ain't gonna lie. Stuffing that shit in your bag.

Hey, nigga. Karisha. Spin that shit. Spin that shit.

How can you not like the song?

As a scamming ass nigga, you, you, you defend all the scammers.

He like money. I don't defend no scammers. Who do?

What scammer I defended, huh? What scammer have I defended?

Yourself, nigga. On the side of— yo, fuck these corporations if you scamming and getting off on them?

My question is, what scammer have I defended? Them that go up against the corporations. That don't mean that they scammers. They ain't putting that on my name, nigga. I don't defend no scammers. Scammers are people out here stealing from motherfuckers.

So who the niggas that— you literally defended a whole booster network.

I defended a booster network because they were stealing from the companies.

You hate Pablo Pablo Torres.

No, seriously, back to the booster shit.

Listen, now granted, what I learned about myself— oh, I was out over the weekend, I did hear Janice shut the fuck up outside. For y'all DJs that are playing Janice to shut the fuck up on any of the Drake songs while I'm in in the club, don't think that you need to come over to me and give a disclaimer.

You know, apologizing and shit. You're my back, so you know I had to—

It's a hard record. This shit is hot. Don't run from behind there and tell me, yo man, I didn't like this shit at first, but um, you got to grow up.

That's my man, man. Shout out to Superstar Booker. That's my man.

But I'm like, yo dog, how Hot is hot. You a DJ, you doing your job.

Play the shit, nigga.

What I learned about myself was I listen to songs. Yes, I listen to songs, or songs have a different effect on me when I listen to them the way that Rick Ross listens to his music during verses, right?

So Janice shut the fuck up, his hands all over me rubbing my body in the places I like.

Just hit different. Young Miami spitting that while it's on, I'm getting a massage everywhere, yo.

Like, I'm not going to lie to y'all. And the songs sound different when it's his ass in front. Like, it's a different listening experience, one.

Two, boy, I can tell when Puff Daddy is ghostwriting from prison. Yo, yo, Puff can't help but make a hit. He is in Fort Dix bored out his mind. The whole flow, cadence, the topic, all of this shit, it's got Puff Name written all over. I don't know who the fuck he think he fooling with this. J-Y, turn me up. Puff, you not fooling nobody, yo. This whole song is a Puff love letter.

Hey, wait a minute, wait up.

And because I'm a musician, I'mma tell y'all exactly how I know that Puff wrote this record.

I'mma tell you, you probably don't hear it.

Here you go, right here, listen. Spin that shit, spin that shit.

No, listen, listen. Spin that shit, spin that shit, spin that shit, spin it. You hear how the shit is clipped in the first half? Now let's do it.

She didn't do that. She didn't do that. Puff did that. That was perfect.

Carisha, that song is hard. That song is so hard that when I went to go buy it, I typed in Karisha, and nothing popped up.

You can tell I ain't bought no fucking Young Miami music. I ain't know what her damn rap name was.

I'm in there typing her podcast, Karisha, please spin that. Yo, City Girls, spin that. I'm typing everything in the world but what her name is. Young Miami, that record is hard.

Sorry, you're going to hear it. Parks, how you feel about it? It's all right.

I can see how it work. I'm not personally probably going to turn up to it outside. At a strip club, I probably—

all the girls are going crazy over there.

Sometimes you got to listen to the woman, y'all. Sometimes it ain't about what you think in your dude head. Sometimes you just got to see the reaction and go with the vibe. Shout out to Carisha, good record.

Uh, all right, what else, what else, what else, what else, what else? Uh, anything else in music? Anything in music?

We got, uh, Jim is apparently challenging Cam to a versus in music. What do we think?

Jim be bored.

I think he's serious. You think so? I think he's serious because the way he said it, yo, let's end this once and for all. Me and you keep having back and forth, and Jim really believes that I got enough records to go with any— he, he believes it. I'm saying, I think whether it be true or not, I think— but he believes on that stage I can, I can embarrass anybody.

Jim has a lot of good records. He does, he does.

But I don't— anybody embarrass anybody.

Seems like Jim trying to build hype for, for something. Yeah, like, you know, Cam ain't probably doing this at all. You know, he didn't want to do the Dipset one, so I mean, we know he's not doing this.

Even in that, he wanted to lose the Dipset, the, the verses with the Lock.

Like, he, he put the blame on him, and it just seemed like typical versus, yo, go out there, get them hype. If they hype enough, then we see if something happened. I just don't see it.

I don't see it happening, but I, I do— I don't think this is Jim just throwing— I think Jim really wants that though. That's what I'm saying. I'm sure he really believed— I'm sure I want him across from me on that stage. And I think from his side, this will make a lot of people put more respect on his catalog than they do.

Do you think that Jim could be came in the verses?

We taking Dipset Records off the table then, I'm guessing. Right? I don't know. That matters. If we taking the Dipset records off and it's your records that I'm not featured on and my records that you're not featured on, yeah, I think Jim can if that's what we stuck with. Now if we start doing the records that they have with each other, it, it, now we, you know, it muddies the water a little bit. But if we just doing give me all of mine and all of yours, yeah, I think Jim can get it.

So that means no features? No, no features.

If I'm featured on somebody's shit or you featured on something, I'm just talking about Nothing With Us Together. Nothing With Us Together. I don't cop with my man.

That 1970s heroin flow, huh?

Y'all hear people talking about, man, they don't know he going to kill the game this year.

Kill the game.

I ain't going to lie, Freeze. And listen, Slay came up here and told us that we talk about verses more than people would like to hear, so I'm not going to just stay on this, but we ain't got—

put that cut away.

Damn, them niggas pumping dimes, Trump pumping mine.

I really make cake. That would be a tough out, I ain't going to lie.

Shit, suck it up. He got it.

Next stop, start trouble inside the Waffle House.

All right, I think we be it.

This is Dipset, Lil Weezy, Cash Money.

Yo, ma, let me holler.

Let Let's do it.

I've been hugging the block. Hugging the block, that's right. Hustling, rozzling rocks. I know I've been pumping a lot.

Pumping a lot.

You want to know, baby girl, you want to suck it or not?

I ain't going to lie, man, that was lucky.

I ain't got no fluid. Freaky. This—

that one ain't going to do it. Shit. Yes, the fuck it will.

You don't want it again? Yes, yes, the fuck it will. I don't know what part of New York he was in.

Black, step at that. Love you, I be going to chest, Jack, respect that.

Any girl I met that hit that, love the way I spit that.

I don't kick that, push straight back.

Shit, snap, get your bitch trapped.

Yeah, just to remind, I ain't got a cord. I'm friendlier with Jim than I am Cam too, but I love Cam.

I hear you. Cowboy has some shit though.

He does. He has some great records.

A lot of great records.

Remix. Nigga.

Oh, that's the wrong version. You lucky, boy. Nigga. Shit, the Horse and Carriage remix.

Uh.

Oh man, that's a strong one.

What y'all want to talk about?

That was a strong 6 or 7 right there.

I'm saying because you ain't had nothing going up against him, that's why. That's all I'm telling you.

Yeah, I really mean it.

I mean, you making Ice mad right now.

You not making me mad.

I don't want to— I'm not doing this right now. I love Jim. Shout out to Jim.

Shout out to Jim. Shit ain't gonna go like that now, but it ain't, it ain't gonna be close. I don't think it's not gonna not be. I don't think it's gonna be close.

It can be close, that's all I'm saying.

The live performance aspect, all that matters. But if we just talking about songs, I don't—

I think about just songs and it absolutely can be close. 12 to 8.

I'm saying 12 to 8. Stop it. And I'll leave versus talk alone, but I love Jim. Jim is a beast. Jim is a tough out for anybody.

I think Cam Oh shit, you lucky. Come on, nigga, he better not.

You better leave that shit. You better play regular. Hey, get a— get a call. Yeah, use that one.

And then Welcome to New York and then Horse and Carriage. What you talking about?

I hear you. Again.

Oh baby, Jim just palled, yo. Now, now I want to see—

no disrespect, Jim. I would never disrespect— Jim got a bunch of records, but the magnitude of what Cam's records were and are is just a different level of impact.

So I think Jim probably has more because his solo discography should be bigger than cams now, if I'm not mistaken. And they're good projects, but they don't have those. Yeah, boy, oh boy.

We gonna do that over. Okay, record over here.

Uh, what else is important? What else is unimportant? Let's see. Uh, Carisha record is hard. Kevin Hart, we did. Jim Cannon, we did. What is this? Pope apologizes. Is that important? Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me.

So the current Pope, uh, apologized on behalf of the church for slavery. I think that's a big deal.

I think it's a big— what apology came with—

that's part two. I think you're right. I think it's part two. But part one, if you don't acknowledge culpability, you can't even make the case for money. You know, the U.S. government walked out of the conference in Durban in South Africa a couple decades ago because they wouldn't apologize for slavery. The church has previously— the previous pope has apologized for the church's kind of role in slavery. But now they're being even more specific. They're like, look, we were involved in slavery, and the popes themselves helped sanction this stuff. They're making it very clear historically how integrally or intricately tied the church has been to slavery around the world. And he's apologized for it, and he's made it a religious argument. He's like, just in the eyes of God, we have failed, you know what I mean? And we seek your apology. Now I'm with you, I need a budget attached to my apology when you're talking about slavery.

I ain't even got You gotta something, some change, like, like history, like put— just them words ain't gonna do it.

I think, I think acknowledgement is a big step.

It's step one.

Yeah, I think that's a really big step for, for especially, um, as strong as the Vatican is and as the Catholic Church is.

I think that's a really, really, really big step.

I think we underestimate how strong the Vatican is worldwide.

Yeah, that Godfather 3 shit wasn't no joke. In terms of representing how tied they are to global power, global finance, all those things. It's a very real thing.

So you look at it as that this is a, uh, in the right direction?

Yeah, I do. I mean, I don't know how it ends, but I do know that this— remember, this Pope, first U.S.-born Pope. Yeah, very clear Black roots, Creole roots. You know, he, he has a, a nickel in this quarter, you know what I'm saying? He has an investment in this argument. So I think that also matters. Um, and I don't know if any other Pope could have would have done it. So for me, again, it's a major step forward. Even if it doesn't go anywhere, it still establishes a precedent. I agree. And it creates a model. And that's, that's, that's what I want to see. I, I love when people acknowledge— we always talk about accountability up here. I think that's—

acknowledge some of the fuck—

accountability is a thing. Yeah. And it just hasn't happened before. So I just think it's dope. I just think it's dope. I don't know what that means afterward, but that's it. Just wanted to roll that out. But there's some equally important news, uh, on the technological front that that I think Freeze is going to cover for us.

Apparently the pet translator is in. Yeah, so I stumbled upon this the other day. A Chinese company. Now you can talk to humans. Yes.

That's a funny ass term.

You hit me in my head, I got a headache, so pardon me, I didn't hear you. Motherfucker, listen. He said now you can talk to humans. I can talk to humans now. That was— I got you. That was funny. I would never even—

yeah, it's okay, it's jokes. Chinese company said they, they've invented, um, a pet translator that is 95% accurate.

Oh, to talk to Ish? Fucking dog.

Yeah, so yeah, now you can be able to talk to your dog. I just want—

yo, that's fire. All jokes aside, that's—

you believe that?

That shit is actually—

no, I don't believe it. If it's 20%—

You got all the money, he's like, enough. Come on, dog. Hey, man, I've seen—

after you told me this, I went and looked up some apps, and there's apparently a bunch of apps that are like cat translator, dog translator, and it says a combination of science and AI, uh, and to get your, your cat's emotions and feelings and to help you understand which— I'm like, how do you know if it's accurate or not?

How do you know? Because they're just saying food, right?

You give them food and they're happy.

Exactly. How complicated could my cat be?

These niggas want to understand pets before they understand niggas. Yeah, let's do a nigga— let's give them a nigga translator so they know what we mean all the time. Thanks, Doc.

You know how they feel about pets. You know where pets are on the scale versus us? Oh, want to change some laws?

Go kill some pets. Especially dogs. Yeah, yeah.

I don't believe the pet translator at all. Me neither.

At all. At all.

I mean, it was just funny and I was like, I got to bring it to my guys.

They had to do something proper for the pets, you know what I'm saying? Salute. I think that's great.

Would you get— you got, you got dogs?

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Yeah, I'll download it and you talk to your, your Jumbo Joe.

Where you been? That's the guy that showers in the basement as soon as he comes in.

How your dog doing? Cool. Is it still alive? It's my man. All right, you lay in the bed with it? No. Okay. All right, this nigga only—

You treat your household like a black household or a white household when it comes to the dog?

You know what he do.

Well, you asking this, I don't know what that mean.

You know, it's different rules for the households. Where all my scamming ass niggas at?

Black households and dogs behave differently than white households and dogs. Like, like black people don't let You're not getting on the bed. All— it's certain shit that Black households don't do.

Tell them about us, Freezy.

A dog can't get on the bed.

Do y'all do like the mouth kisses with the dog and all that?

Kiss the dog in the mouth?

That ain't white shit. But no, I mean, I don't do that nasty shit. I've seen you kiss your dog in the mouth. It was white shit when he did it.

I know it was still—

how I get in your talk?

Because you said, yeah, tell them how you defend yourself without me.

Tell them how we do it, Freezy.

Yourself without inserting me, nigga.

You know what I mean?

Hey, hey, all right, all right, never mind.

Bring my name up in none of your affairs, nigga. I don't want to hear that shit. Go Knicks. Fuck they talking about? These Laker fans talking about, nigga.

Flip, why your beard black? I've been, I've been, I've been trying to figure out what look different about you.

Y'all got to have that go.

And where your braids go? You should have kept the braids. To die sunk in his—

No, your man hit me in the fucking head, nigga.

Oh, he prepping the lawsuit.

That's all it take to give you a headache is tapping your brim?

Nah, he ain't tap— I told you you gonna be a groupie, nigga. He ain't tap, he hit me right here in my fucking head. Watch your fucking mouth.

Oh, you talking about me?

Yeah, you, nigga.

I gotta hit you at the top of your head.

And I'm low-key tight, but I'm just trying to be cool. I'm mad as hell. What you gonna do?

What you gonna do?

Fuck me up. Fuck you talking about?

He tapped your brim, yo.

No, he did. The nigga hit right here.

I tapped the brim of your hat.

That shit hurt. You bitch-ass niggas.

Only one of us sound like a bitch-ass nigga right now.

Yeah, because you ain't gonna fight.

You ain't gonna fight for it. I'll fight for my headache. Nigga, say something, say something. Say something, cuz when I was hurting niggas, you said something to me. Say something to me.

Oh shit, he was hurting y'all.

You're not allowed to hit your coles, especially on air.

There you go, in the brim.

And if you hit him, if you hit him and he get a headache, then he'll be able to say that you are the cause of the headache and not that the hat size. Yo, you diss me.

This shit is tight as fuck.

They can't get me to turn on you. One less. Yeah, but I did it on my own.

Yo, that take a snap back.

Yo, that's yours.

Hey, yo, I was doing some videos. I did a video, so I dyed my beard. It feel good though, man. I was outside. My wife was over here talking shit to me, talking about who you think you are.

But you going to keep it that way?

Hell no. This will grow out. It look good. You look—

you look good.

You got at least We had after Trinidad when you were around the young—

oh, community center!

That beer going to be flat, yo. That's crazy. What's up? Shout out to everybody.

You going to laugh and deal.

Dwayne Bravo.

Oh shit, that's And that was quick.

Yo, that was quick, yo. I ain't gonna hold you. Why you thinking that?

You so— I just put a video out right before Trinidad, going back into my element, man. I feel good, yo.

What element is that? When you going to Trinidad?

Doing video. I'm going to Trinidad Monday.

Oh, yo, do y'all care about, uh, do any of y'all care about Jackson Dart and him introducing President Trump at whatever rally that was? And then Abdul Carter going X slash Twitter to say, I thought this was AI, what the fuck is going on? Oh shit. And then them two having a meeting, and then Abdul Carter coming back to the internet to say, hey, we spoke like men, whatever narratives y'all are coming up with, y'all could keep them, everything is fine. Does anybody care about this? Yeah, I think that, um, if there's anybody that wants to defend Jackson Darton, let me know.

I'll take the other side.

As a Giants fan, how do you feel about this?

Um, I feel like Harbaugh— Harbaugh— Harbaugh has everything under control.

Sure. Like, I like the way he has been dealing with, like, team conflict, like the Malik Nabers shit that he said. Yo, we hear you breathing.

I'm not— that's not how fat niggas breathe. He fat too. One of you fat niggas is breathing in the mic. You niggas is overweight. Y'all not taking your SlimFast. You niggas is obese and y'all breathing like y'all are obese.

Lost weight, nigga.

Move the fucking thing away while y'all are hyping. Sound like y'all hyping, y'all about to die on air. I'm listening while I'm trying to get like—

like, that's not cool, you fat fucks. Why you dissing me?

It's you and Ish.

I don't breathe in the mic.

I don't know who it is.

First off, I, I yawned in the mic.

Exactly, you bitch-ass nigga. Why would you—

secondly, nigga, you really act like Poor fucking stick figure, bro. You've only lost about 15, 20 pounds, my nigga, and you was fat to start with.

When his nose was fucked up the last time, he like— Word. I had to tell him, like, stop breathing in the mic.

Acting like you swallowed dairy on a living and nobody say nothing.

Hawk spit, man. Fuck out of here, nigga.

Mucus, man.

Okay, can you not— y'all killing this shit. Can you not yawn in the mic? Sure, pardon me.

That wasn't the best defense. No, I'm just saying I wasn't breathing in the mic.

I yawned in the mic, so pardon me. But don't do that again. You, Musa, next. What, me?

What? How you attacking your man? Fat ass bronco. He would attack me because I was— yo, you crying me. For real, support me more, yo. You been doing good.

I can see when you get up, you going to be shitting on everybody, you know what I mean?

You, you that nigga. Well, you knew that from when we was broke. I know. Yeah, that ain't—

you going to be Joe Hart.

You knew what type of time I was on.

You going to Joe Hart, get that nigga-ish. This nigga crazy fat ass punk.

You just lost weight, boy. Damn, you just lost weight. What y'all waiting on?

What you mean? I'm not waiting on— I'm not waiting on no Xempic.

Y'all can do it too, of course.

Niggas is in the gym, health and wellness.

Yeah, I want to throw my weight in y'all face. Yeah, y'all see me, you look all right.

You're a little more tired, stunning nigga.

You're a little more tired. Stunning.

Messing with your brain a little bit. Oh, well, I forgot, you know, I went to the mall. I forgot.

Midsentence, nigga, what did I say?

He don't ask boss to cut it out.

Pause me, lady. Yeah, yo, I'm glad you said that.

That was hilarious.

What do y'all think? What do y'all think? One of my favorite things to watch in these commercials is how they taking the dope popular hip-hop song or Crystal Waters song or whatever the popular song is and making it their own for the commercial.

Yeah. These are interpolations, so I'm sure somebody's getting paid. But how much money do y'all think is in that, that field?

Oh, a lot. A lot. Especially from pharmaceutical companies.

Yeah, that shit gonna get some money.

I done heard Hip Hop Hooray, they done took Nuck If You Buck. I didn't hear that one yet.

I heard about the one.

Yeah, Crystal Waters, the crazy shit. C.C. Peniston.

Are the artists getting paid?

Yeah. Yeah, well, whoever owns it, whoever wrote the song.

Whoever.

Yeah, y'all was at my old ass aunt house, and you know those infomercials that sell shit?

Yes.

She fell for all that shit. She was tight. She showed me a closet. I said, you bought this shit?

That shit is a thing.

She said none of that shit works.

She said the only thing that worked was the oven cleaner. She said none of that shit worked. The frying pan, none of that shit. I said, you bought that shit? I wish it was my uncle.

I'm watching QVC, nigga. What do you think QVC and, uh, Home Shopping Network?

Yeah, I get it, but nigga, if it don't work, nigga, why would still buy more. That's the point.

It's quite a bad one here.

They addicted to that shit, bro.

As a Giants fan, to answer your question, I would have rather not seen Jackson Dart indeed do what he did. I'm with people having their own political beliefs, but the second you introduce him and get this right, right-wing crowd to say, go blue, boys in blue, go blue, like, it was extra. I also don't think they Abdul Carter needed to say anything publicly. That should have been handled behind closed doors from the rip. Uh, but in part of, part of a locker room is being able to bring together people from all walks of life. So everybody in there ain't got to be aligned in your political views, but you do have to find a way to be a team and, and, and not cause dysfunction in the team. And even though the season hasn't started, if you are the quarterback, the most important position, the position matters. What you do in your off time does affect the team. And with the new coach and just the new, new players, now is not the time for that, Jackson.

Are you an old lineman?

Second-year player? Like, why do we— come on, don't matter.

If you being a quarterback, because you are a leader of men, you know what I'm saying? And because you're a quarterback, you want to have your unit be as cohesive as possible. If you create any level of division or dissension in that, in amongst the ranks, you're doing a bad job. So I think that he— he's so young too, I'll give him a little pass. But you got to read the room, bro, and you got to read the country.

Yeah, well, so I agree, a lot of reading the country is gonna fuck with him.

I'm about to say, no, it don't matter.

You said that doesn't matter.

Yo, my locker room— my locker room is a mix. Not even a mix. I don't know what the Giants makeup is, but I'm sure a decent percentage of the Giants employee base base is Black.

Now I was just speaking to you saying read the room, read the country.

I'm like, yes, there is a side of the country, right?

There's a side of the country that's going to be about, good, we're glad he did that.

Yeah, but this is talking about the fan base of the Giants. Yes. And in New York, New York City.

Yeah, all of that.

This ain't San Fran and Nick Bosa.

Yeah, this is New York City and Jackson Dart.

So just a question though, what What if he done introduced Obama and he had a bunch of conservative o-linemen from Buckeye State? The difference— Would we be saying you're losing locker room, don't do it?

It's a very big difference. Because when Obama was the president of the United States, Obama wasn't pushing division. Donald Trump is clearly pushing division. They're doing things that are mad divisive. In fact, black people dissed Obama for not doing enough for black people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so Obama wasn't pushing this divide.

I'm not comparing Obama and Trump. I'm just saying— no, no, I get your point. I agree with your point. I'm, I'm, I'm just pushing the conversation somewhere else and saying, what if losing— what if you lose the locker room but you're doing the right thing? Like, if, if, if he were taking a principled position but the locker room is racist, or— because there's a lot of conservatives in locker rooms too these days, you know what I mean? Especially— and there's a lot of secret Trump people. And I'm just saying, you— I don't like to lose the locker room argument sometimes because you could be doing something principled?

Yes and no. I think that again, that just goes back to reading the room. I think if you stand on your principle, i.e., Colin Kaepernick—

would you feel better about it if he lost the locker room?

No, no, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't feel better. But I think depending on what you are siding with matters. It matters. Again, like Colin Kaepernick was the quarterback. He decided to take a stance for a principle that I don't think anybody in their in their right mind could say, yo, he was bugging the fuck out because of what he took a stand.

And it's the action too. Like, again, I'm introducing this dude. That's not the same as taking a stance, right?

I'm just saying, if he introduced— if he'd introduced like Al Sharpton—

but it's not just he introduced him. You introduced him on the heels of him rewarding the January 6th. Yeah, yeah, you did it on the heels of him letting some of these people out of jail. You did it on the heels of certain legislation that he signed and you did it on the heels of—

while we at this, yo, listen, you know I don't root for nobody to die. Like, I'm pro-life, everybody, whether we agree or whether we disagree. But again, I said it before, I say it now, the team of assassins hired to take out Trump, y'all need to be banned from assassin world. Y'all need to lose y'all assassin cards. Y'all are the worst planners of assassination that I've ever seen. Why are y'all still getting tasked with this? In any of the movies or the TV shows I saw, when the killer team can't get it done, you lose your, your book of business. No, niggas, how come they still keep getting another shot? Nigga, y'all ran up to the White House and just started bucking. That plan was going to be ineffective the second you thought of it.

See, this is why you can't watch no 24 at all, because they're actors. Yes, that's where I joined the Newark couch. That shit ain't real. I think every Maybe one of them assassins is designed to make Trump look like—

Oh shit, it was actors when Alec Baldwin did it. I mean, an accident can happen, is all I'm saying. You want a rogue actor?

Jesus. Yo, this guy's crazy.

Anyway, sorry about that. Alec Baldwin shit go. I ain't letting that shit go. I know, I know. You ain't fuck with that shit. And that lady husband had to bury her. What?

I'm sorry, I was on the show then.

Did you think I You did it on purpose or something? No.

Oh, okay. No. Okay, I just didn't know.

I also didn't think that you needed to do it on purpose to face some type of consequences.

Oh, okay, you're just saying you didn't like that, the outcome. I'm with you. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Gotcha. I just didn't know that.

Um, I don't have anything else that is burning a hole in my mind, heart, body, spirit, and soul. How about you guys?

Please, please, just need 30 seconds. Please get your shit off.

To do a rest in peace Oh yeah, we got to do Sonny Rollins.

To the great Sonny Rollins, one of the greatest jazz artists in American— in music history, one of the greatest artists in music history. Indeed. Died at the age of 95, one of the greatest saxophonists of all time. If you know anything about music— hopefully Imani can touch on it later. He's a music person. But Sonny Rollins played with Bud Powell, played with Charlie Parker, played with Miles Davis, played with Coltrane. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. He comes out of the bebop era. He's a child, uh, and really kind of modernized jazz improvisation. So he has songs that, like, um, I mean, there's so many, but that, that are standards now, that are literal jazz standards now. Uh, there are just few artists who have mattered as much as, as to a genre as Sonny Rollins did. And I wish that more people knew him. The Grammys gave him his Lifetime Achievement Award a while back. But you're talking about 8 decades of, of musicianship, and one of the greatest tenor saxophonists we've ever seen. So just rest in peace to, to him, and, and hopefully his legacy will live on.

Work. Thank you.

Rest in peace. Joseph Darden, read the room. What's wrong? That's good.

That was horrible. That would be like, yeah, no, I'm not doing whatever y'all think I'm doing. Oh, okay.

Whatever y'all think I'm doing, I'm not doing.

I would really be like, call you a diatribe about the greatest rapper of all time, and then you playing fucking—

yeah.

All right, now Songbird. Is that fucking Songbird? This nigga put on Kenny G.

Yo, this guy is crazy, bro.

All right, we done here, man. We did it.

You can put on Jermaine Jackson, who by the way has twice as many Billboard hits as Ray J, if anybody cares out there.

Fun fact. Which is how many? Uh, 15. Jermaine Jackson got 15 that he performed on?

Yes. AJ has 6. Read them off.

Read them off. Because you might be getting that from Al Jazeera, nigga. God forbid. Y'all act like Al Jazeera ain't got a chart system of the cold slaps.

And by the way, he also had them in the top 10. Let me see. Daddy's Homeless, Get Serious, Dynamite, Do What You Do, Don't Take It Personal, Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming, When And the rain begins to fall.

I keep going. I heard enough. All right, I heard enough. Yeah, you were right.

Thank you.

Actually, man, next one. What the fuck we talking about? The fuck we talking about here?

Blazing that.

I got John Blaze shit.

It ain't that much. All right, hopefully y'all have enjoyed this podcast as much as we enjoy delivering it to you. Hey, New York, shout out to Preme, shout out to the whole New York City, everybody outside this week. Everybody in Oklahoma City and San Antonio, man, y'all keep duking it out, we'll be here waiting, you heard? Be careful what you ask for. All right, man, hopefully y'all have enjoyed this episode as much as we've enjoyed delivering it Until next time, we bid you a dual farewell. Adios, arriba, derci, hasta la vista, au revoir, so long, goodbye, or a simple head nod will suffice. The Notorious Juss, squeeze and bust. If it's beef between us, we can settle it with the chrome and metal shit.

I make it hot like a kettle dip.

You better get it. You better get it. Who sent you? You still metal shit. I got more rhymes than Great Adventure.

Every time you rap, I'll be like, yeah, he's my top 5. Yeah, timeless flow.

You be needing to be reminded that Biggie's in your top 5?

He be number 6 for me. He's never further than 6. Okay, he's never further than 6.

But you was playing the Cleveland before or something?

No, that wasn't— Biggie, running back or something?

No, just songs are titled different things. Things in here. Oh shit, I'm, I'm slow.

This goes out to you, this goes out to you, this goes out to you.

There we go.

Yeah, it's more appropriate. Rest in peace, Anthony Mason.

Shout out to Buckwild.

Go Knicks, man. Was good to see Charles Oakley in Cleveland. He the only one missing from the, uh, New York, uh, Legends Row when they have it.

Oakley, they gotta get that right.

They gotta get that right this week.

They gotta get that right.

That'll turn the Garden upside down if Oakley walk in there. I think I get that right. That should be like when Willis Reed fucking came out there and hit that shot.

Yo, y'all keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need You don't need to be there until the next time. We bid you a new farewell, yada, yada, yada, yada. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And last but certainly not least, the baddies are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel. And the closed-minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. Television, Versace heaven.

When I'm up in them, the shit she kick.

All that shit legit. She get dick from a playoff to New York. What y'all on this week?

Anything, anything, anything? Oh man, my wife out the country, man. Just holding it down.

Armani, do me a favor, pass me that brew behind you, please.

Right here on the floor.

You better talk to him.

Don't do this, man. Fuck around, shit, get picked this weekend.

You too, Imani.

You said the Roots pick niggas this weekend? For real? Get out of here.

Before my eyes could blink, she screams out, honey, bring me out something to drink. Yeah, I mean, the bruise is out, the bruise is out. Can you say New York City? I don't wanna blast a man. What up? Even though the situation looking kind of ill, yo, it came to me like a song I wrote.

Told the bitch, give me a soft pillowcase.

Y'all are down. Y'all enjoy the week, man.

Broke the bitch up, gagged them off with the pillowcase. Take a cut, nigga. Coming on some love potion shit.

Flash the heat on him. He stood emotionless, dropped the glass, screaming, don't blast. Here's the stat, 100K.

Just don't shoot my ass, please.

JBP, JBP, where would you be without the JBP?

We'll fold that up right now.