Transcript of Episode 896 | "Young Men That Carry Arms"

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You know what it is? We in the building, we talking. Look at Mark. Yo, Mark. It was. It was Martin Luther King day a few days ago.

Oh, that's okay. This makes sense.

And that's when Mark goes and does 20 speaking engagements. He woke up, started posting all his old pastor clips.

That's true.

I was up.

If you five in the morning on his insta story and seen he was up posting, I'm like, yo, Mark, my brother, look at you, man. Now you're sitting there miniature. Yes, you like when you don't sleep, you look more miniature than you know, than you know. Like you shrink in the chair. You got your coffee. Like that's gonna help you didn't the hoodie shrunk somehow the jeans, everything is tinier. Pause.

Yo, not everything, man. You know the bills are getting paid.

No, shape up. Look at your mustach. Got a haircut.

I got a haircut. I got a haircut.

You got a cut.

Well, do they? Did they skip your face? I'm talking about your face. Look at your beard. Did they not do. Look at you.

Wow.

Thank you for coming into work, Mark. That's what I expected.

God damn.

I was in Madison, Wisconsin -7 this morning.

Oh, God.

I got up at 5:00am, flew here.

You sound like.

And made it on time. I had no voice. I would have called out, but I ain't know who else, you know, I mean, I wanted to make sure everybody, you know, there's enough people here, you know what I mean? Because it's six season, so I thought, you know, no, we show up unless people get sick. You know what I mean?

Well, yeah, if you hop from airport to dirty ass airport. Speaking at gate B52, we can't all afford to fly.

Private Joseph.

No, I'm not flying. I ain't been nowhere. I'm not flying. I don't have a trip booked.

It is stay in season for sure.

Word.

Oh, I wouldn't.

The phone this morning said 17, but it feels like three.

Yeah, it's cold.

Feels like. Tell me what the feel.

I'm not going nowhere, nigga. I woke up, made Some tuna fish the other night. Like, when you plan land to be in. That's some black people bunker. Like, I'm making this tuna.

Look, you look at the weather and you see, all right, it's going to snow or it's going to be cold, and you stock up, you ain't going nowhere. I'm not leaving. Tuna.

I made some tuna. That's some old saltine crackers. Tuna hell crackers. And my girl was like, yo, you on your. You on your. Let's do the letters. Wraps on them. I said, upgrading you the lettuce cups with the tuna smoke.

I'm not a big fan of the lettuce wrap.

It's good.

I love a good lettuce wrap.

It's good. She sliced some tomatoes, put them chips on. It was good. It was good.

Joe, I knew you was on that on Saturday. That's why I didn't call you. We supposed to. We talked about going to trek out to see Mona in. In New Brunswick. My girl's like, aren't you going out with Joe? I was like, is he on call? I'm not calling him because it was cold and it was snowing.

Yeah, but the funny thing about that, like, we should. We should communicate because I think you got it in reverse. Like, Mona's thing was Sunday.

Oh, was it a Sunday? I'm sorry. I said. I meant Sunday. I'm sorry.

It was a long weekend.

So when. When Mona was here, it was you. You prompted. You was like, yo, Mona, I'm going to see you Sunday. Yeah. And then I said, if you go, I'll go. So it's not if I call you. That's backwards.

It is backwards.

Oh, no, it's totally.

No, he was trying not to go. He was just like, as long as Joe don't call, I ain't called.

I know it's gonna happen.

That's the move.

Joe's a team player. Joe would be like, oh, yeah, let's roll. And then I'd be like, fuck, Naga.

Nah, nah.

And I want to see Mona. I just.

It was.

It was snowing outside and cold as. And I couldn't get up.

Yeah, the weather was. The weather was. It was bad. Yeah, it was bad.

When it's cold like that, you look for any reason to not go, wait, wait.

I said, that's how I ended up in the Toro Loco.

The who?

Now, what is that?

It's a local bar.

It's a little local bar around our.

You back at the bar.

You're back at the bar.

What's up with you?

Oh, that was a real spirit. That put him out twice.

The spirit lingers.

No Christmas. Fuck.

I have been in a bar five days in a row. It's just coincidence.

Are you okay?

I'm not even drinking. I have. I order one drink.

All right, man.

And I nurse it.

The whole time, we just lying.

I'm dead ass. I keep. Because it's whiskey, and I don't really love whiskey like that. So I can just. I can just sit with it the whole time.

That Macallan 6. Yo, 6 had that Macallan McAllen 3.

The Doritos Locos does not have McAllen.

No, they did not. They did not. But the other spot, I did have some fly shit. I was at two bars that night.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

That nigga said the Doritos. So you bar hopping?

I wasn't bar hopping. I was meeting two sets of friends that were.

I was different bars.

What's how you got back in the house?

Yo, it's too cold for this behavior.

I go out like five times a day.

And you don't have the coats to do this.

I didn't even have a coat on. This even time out.

So you can't go see Mona, but you could go bar hop.

The Toro Loco is a block away. She was in New Brunswick.

Nigga, once you in the car, you in the car.

Shit, Toro Loco was close.

Crazy.

Why you ain't answer Flip?

I didn't hear the question Because I.

Thought you heard what I said.

I really didn't, brother.

What time did you get back in the house?

Oh, yeah. I didn't hear you. I'm sorry.

Everything. Everything good.

Everything's great. Hype is great.

We all go through the same type of.

At the same time. Everything. Everything.

I know we do.

No, we don't.

It gets tricky when you start doing that content.

You B hot.

You.

You didn't want to leave the house before?

I hate leaving the house. I have friends in town. We went to work out. We just ended up celebrating.

Just invite them over.

You could have just invite them over because my. My wife had her girlfriends over and.

You have the whole gym.

There you go.

What?

That's even better.

Your friends get with my friends and we be boring.

Diddy reference aside, I decided that. How'd that work out for him?

Oh, shit.

That was a good one. That was a good one.

That was good.

I needed some time and space.

You know what I'm saying?

You need time and space for your significant.

Just to clear your mind, right?

Clear your thoughts.

I know what that is.

Yeah, exactly.

You don't know what time and space is. We know how you use it.

Love our space.

I'm going down to the basement. No one comes down here.

It's hung out with us on Friday night night, though, for a minute. He did what? Yeah.

Oh, you ass. You got outside the house, too.

I did, huh?

When light skinned pop up wearing all this rain.

Look, I was there.

I went. The fella said, yo, let's go across the street and get a drink. I said, I don't drink. They said, well, nigga, come get a gym.

Oh, for your birthday.

Yeah.

So ginger beer. We went across the street and got a drink.

How you feel?

The hour after we did, I'm like, nigga, it's across the street.

It was an hour, yo.

Niggas just.

It was a solid four hour.

It was at least 45 minutes, right?

I was like, how did he get lost?

Ice melted in my.

He had a phone call.

Yo, the pie just be lying rubbed off.

How do you feel? I'm good.

What you mean?

50?

You was looking spry, though. You was in there looking spry.

Looking spry, trying to wear a.

You know. I see. I see.

He hit his. He hit his. All black on.

I see him.

Yeah, he's looking fresh. Yeah, but it's good to hang out with you, man. Got the bell. We got to toast him for his birthday. He held up the orange peels while we held up the. The drinks.

It was too cold. Sorry, y'.

All. No, we was all of 10 minutes.

Okay.

No, no, we wasn't glad. That's his point.

We were there for a long time.

We had two trays of.

Right. We ate, like three trays of nachos before this got here.

Yo, we love you, gang.

Oh, man.

Thank you.

Love us?

Sure. Slap the.

Out of you.

You can't. You can't.

I'm glad to see everybody's in a great mood.

Yeah.

Yeah, man.

What's up with you, man?

I'm good, man.

How was your weekend?

It was reflective. Oh, it's good.

Yeah.

Hey, my right, yo, you know.

I love you, bro.

And I love you, too.

I love you, man. When you calm and mellow means, you know, things were just going smooth, you know? Yeah. He can't.

He can't go outside.

You know he can't go outside. He get outside.

Yeah, I stayed, right Friday for a hot second.

That's what I said.

Actually, we went outside.

I thought you meant, like, for the weekend.

We went and saw Marty Supreme. It was actually really good.

Really? Yeah.

Definitely recommend it.

I'll go check it out then.

Yeah, no, I was in the crib, Joe.

I saw you. So you posting your 2016 reflections, bitch ass nigga. He fried me up last week on it. And they posted the exact same pictures.

2016, hashtag, we working. Nah. You know what happened when I fried you up about that 2016 post? I had so much fun doing that. I don't know why people think because I'm frying them up about something that I won't turn around and do it.

Oh, no, we expect that.

I do that often. But then when I type 2016 in my phone and looked at the pictures was awesome, right? I'm like, damn, I'm so old. I thought my 2013 was, like, 26. 2016 was a. I started to come back to me.

Yeah, yeah, it's good.

It started to come back, I'm telling you. So I'm like, you know what, man? And then my phone started showing me how some of my 2016 went. And because I have a healthy respect for my relationship and a lot of y', alls, I just kept it cute. Gave him a couple of tour photos. Me and my cousin.

My son.

It was a lot of it, yo. And y' all with that on Instagram. But be clear, there was another side to 2016. And I took all the pictures of it. They all still in there. She deleted everything else, but somehow that's still there.

Yo, real rap. When I looked at the 2016 photos, the ones I wouldn't put in, boy.

I had some going on in 2016.

To any man over 40, just go on your phone or your little apple, if you got apple. And just type 2016 in your photos. Oh, my Lord. And just spend like 15 minutes missing your past.

I don't miss it. I'm very happy with where I am.

I don't miss it either. Shout out to the Toro Loco. Everything's great. Everything's fine at home.

Oh, man. Flip. How you feel? You good?

I feel great.

What's poppin, Flip?

I'm all right, man.

Miss you, man.

Miss y' all, too. Which I did Friday for my man Ish.

Just what he wanted.

Talked exactly what he wanted.

Talked ass.

Yeah, it's his favorite pastor.

What do I gotta do with that?

Because, come on, bro. You should have access.

I don't have nothing to do with that, bro.

I' ma celebrate you, bro.

Thank you, brother.

Thank you.

You're welcome. You saw Danny this weekend?

I did not.

All right, good.

What I gotta do with You.

I'm just nothing at all, man. I'm just trying to have a good time. I'm just trying to have a smooth.

How many calls you got? A lot.

How many what?

Got a lot of calls and stuff like that.

Sure, I got yours. I appreciate it.

You guys.

You guys, chill out.

Okay, good.

I'm just saying.

Chill out.

I'm saying we 30 minutes in.

We ready.

We ready.

I'm sorry.

We ready. Let's get it. Oh, my God.

No, I don't got nothing. Are we ready?

Let's get it.

Get to it, baby.

Oh, I don't want to smoke with you, man.

Please.

I know you dropping the air. Yo, I see you dropping your tracks.

Smokers are ready in the air game.

That was dope.

As soon as dudes become a rapper, they start looking for rap beef immediately. I'm not your rap beef, dog.

M.

Always for the ladies.

Always for the ladies.

Whole New York City. Big Jersey. Big Jersey. Shout to wherever you might be listening from you. Everybody in the Carolinas, everybody out in Florida, everybody traveling right now.

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Everybody in the west coast. Whole west coast. What up out there? Whole london, germany and all that. Me get. Over a long time. Did it when it was over. Now the door closure. Wait a minute. Oh, yeah. Look at you. Look at you. Look at you. Look at you. Chill. You all in the DJ Serrano. You all in the DJ Serrano right now. Chill, man.

Chill.

You and the DJ Serrato right now. Yo, this something. I promise, man.

Somewhere.

Somewhere it's gonna happen, man.

Stop bullshit.

Quick little hour, 45 minutes. Something like Little Joe Button said, I got it coming for y'. All. I promise. Shout out to all the families out there. List me all the patronies. He go.

I'm sorry, baby, you can't punch me.

I just can't breathe.

I'm so fed, I'm starting to get up, baby.

We are big.

I thought that one way I would never ever did.

Yeah, I mean, it's my old school, Albert spill right quick. Mayor Boulevard and all that. If you know about it, you know about it. What's good? My old Canton flowing shit. Hey ya. I mean, nigga's lucky I ain't know how to do nothing. When this song was out, man. Boy, if I was a drug dealer or something. If I was a beige. If I had a couple dollars when.

This song was out, in a ra.

Have been a rap, man. I ain't going to lie. All right, man, we got a great show lined up for y'. All today. So happy y' all could be here with us. No matter where you at, no matter what you're doing, man. Hey, shout out to the dancing out there, too, man. Y' all boy Tik Tok did it for y'. All. You is back. Like when the kid and play was out. Everybody in college and all that. Shout out to y' all out there. All right, where we starting? Where we starting there? Where we starting there? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows?

Let's get to it. I got it. You know what I want to talk about. And I don't care if it's 10v1, although I think there'll be another brave soul in here. Okay, we talked about it.

This is what I need. My B mic sounds like ice. You sound the same. You sound like. Shout out to all the parents out there. 40 enough. 50 enough. 60 enough.

Look at my son. He's feeling.

Don't you.

Your soul, right?

You can tell.

Feeling your soul, right, baby? He feel tingles.

Look. Oh, my man. Ish. Yeah. What is doing? This is on.

Sing a song like everybody else.

Nah, come on, Stop playing. What you. What you doing. When like, come on, for real.

Think about Halle Berry running across the street.

All right, when it's all right.

Enough of you. When this song is on, are you stationary in the club or are you walking around? Are you walking around? Are you mobile in a section or at your man's section?

It depends.

Do you got your own hookah? Always. Always. Yeah.

These young can't attach the movie to the.

I know.

I.

All right, what episode is this?

8 96.

Big Flip is in the building. Welcome to episode 896 of the Joe Button podcast, brought to you by a few by power, by prize pitch Price, Fish gang.

You.

I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, extremely happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with some very important people in my life. To my right, queens get the money. Queens, Flip is in the building.

Yo, yo.

Next to him, our good brother Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building next to him. Big ish Mr. Thousand Doors and up is here next to him, the freeziest of them all. A low down. Stop playing with him. Big Ice is in the building next to him. Elmira's finest park, Parks is here. Yep. Poe is here. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys is here. What's poppin, y'? All? What's poppin, gang? Wake it up. Get the energy high in here, please. Wake it up in here.

What's up? I hate Newark. Can I tell y'?

All?

I hate Newark.

Oh, that's a.

That's a start this weekend. And I don't know if I handled this wrong.

Yo, dog, I'll be keeping them off you. You got to go through north.

Man tell why he hate.

I don't have to go through nor good.

Keep.

Keep that energy. I'll do east handover. All right, well, go ahead, man.

I.

So I'm taking my mother in law to church. Every Sunday, I take my mother in law to church. I drop her and then I wait for her.

Damn, this what he worked more. God damn.

Get a break. I enjoy.

He was take a grandmother, the mother in law to church. You said you wait for with him a leave her go in. Nah.

Are you sitting in the car? Yeah, I don't go to church. It's a black church. No. Oh, okay. It's a mix. It's like black people and some Spanish speakers. It's a Catholic church in Newark.

So it's punctual anyway.

That ain't the point. Oh, they super punctual. You get that 11 you out of 12. So I went to get a pizza because I was hungry and I wanted to get a little bit of food. So I go to the Blaze Pizza on Broad Street. And I know the people in there because I go there pretty regularly. I mean, so I pull up, I'm there about 10 minutes early for my food. Cause I ordered it through the app, and I'm waiting, and then suddenly I see two brothers come in who, frankly, didn't look like they should be in Blaze Pizza.

What does that mean?

They didn't look like they were there to buy, and they didn't look like employees. I know you're rolling your eyes, but I know we shouldn't make judgments about each other.

You sure?

But I waited.

Okay, Tim, now you a pro in a judgment game if you're doing that in a pizza place. Well, this guy doesn't look like he should afford a pizza.

Blaze Pizza at 11:30 in the morning. So I don't go in to get my pizza, and I have my son with me. He's in the child seat.

So what I do, he could have took him.

So I wait like a couple minutes, and then they make a right, and I'm like, they don't work here. And they didn't wait get in line. I said, I think they're stealing my pizza. Now, I could be wrong, but this is just what came to my mind. About 30 seconds later, they go out the store holding a pizza that looked mysteriously like my large, plain tomato pie.

How could you tie it?

I didn't know it was in a box.

You need some sleep.

Why? Is this crazy?

Yes.

So far, it's 11:30 in the morning. These niggas did not have an app. Nothing about their attire or the seven bags they had on them said that they know how to use an app or have the ability to pay through an app.

It's crazy talking.

So I'm like, I think they have my pizza. So I get out the car. Not because of that, because they're going now, and I can go get my pizza. They left. They have to challenge them niggas. I wasn't scared, but I'm scared.

Of course.

Of course. Before I go out, get my son out the car, and before I can even get to the door, the two girls who work there are at the door of the joint. And I. Before they were looking left and right, I said, did he just steal my pizza? They said, yeah. So then. And this girl had to be from Newark. She said, he went that way.

So. Okay.

And you said, okay, you go that way. Back to the kitchen.

This is where the wrong instincts kick in. This is where Joe might have been. Right. One time, I don't know if on the phone, you told me that I might overreact to things. So my first instinct kicked in. So I start going up the street.

Oh, Marty.

Cause he has my pizza.

You can't fight for a pizza.

I didn't want to fight for a pizza. I just.

Just.

He had my pizza.

Niggas would have turned you into mozzarella real quick. They've been tossing you off.

So I get to the corner, and there's like, five police officers there. And. And. And they saw what they. They clearly saw do at a pizza. Cause they said, yo, he went that way. And at that point, it hit me like, I'm not following no police directions. I go back to the store and say, well, you know, since my pizza was stolen, can I have another one? And she said, well, you couldn't catch them.

And I said, well, that's not my job.

I just ordered a pizza. I just want my pizza. And then I got my pizza pizza. But that whole ordeal reminded me, told me that I needed to get a little bit of therapy. Yeah, maybe some anger management.

They needed the pizza more than you.

Yeah, Yeah.

I didn't care. That's what.

It's freezing too, Like.

But my first instinct was to go after When I thought it was mine. And that's the. That I got to work through.

I agree with you.

But that only happens no nowhere else. But a new pizzeria where they tell me to go catch the bull. That's all I'm saying.

Got you.

Yep. That's all you work.

I feel like every week I learned like a few of y' all are ghetto or not. Thought like just buy another pizza, man.

No, let them have it.

Evidently they need to.

They'll make you a new pizza.

Their pizza would have been.

I'm not doing this with Mark. Tell me about the Internet argument. Tell me about the Internet argument that a few of you are attempting to bring to real life. Let's do it. It's a good old mc. MC rankings.

Oh, okay. We're starting with this. Let's do it.

Yeah, let's do it. I mean, you're right.

It ain't too much going on.

Come on.

So somebody tell me about this. The.

The trending has been Jadakiss versus Common.

Where did this come from?

I don't know. That's what I was.

The Internet.

The Internet, the Internet. There was a reason why it came up on people's lists, but I don't. It took a life of its own. And then it didn't. Was no longer about lists or the origin of it. It just became about Jadakiss versus Common. Who's higher on the all time MC list. And people had strong feelings on each side. And I think it's a crazy argument because there's only one right answer.

And that is.

I think we all know on the count of three, we can all just say it. 1, 2, 3.

Jadakiss.

I love how you.

Jason, I was just listening to your bullshit.

Lay out the arguments. Here, let me.

Here's the argument.

These are two names that I would have never even thought to pin against each other pair or so if I'm like.

Because when we start ranking all time, everybody's in the mix, right. So the different genres, different styles, all that. But if we rank it all time common to me is higher than Jadakiss. And it's not a tough argument. Here's the argument for me.

Well, where do both of them sit on your all time list start. Give me that.

Neither is in my top 10, but anywhere under that. I wouldn't fight nobody for it. On my list they're probably around somewhere between 15 and 20.

So they're about five spots apart.

Yeah, the most.

Yeah, the most.

I think they're both in the twenties regardless. For Me.

Okay. Yeah. That's probably more. If I thought about it more now with more rappers. But I'm just saying they're definitely top 25. I think everybody would agree with that, but. And they're toward the bottom half of my top 25. But I think Common is a very strong case of being above Jadakiss1. It's. If you talk about classic albums, which I do think should matter.

Yeah. Discography. Album wise.

This is not even close.

It's not close.

It's not even close. Solos, solo. Yeah. Common has three indisputable to me, classic albums, but at least two. Right. Resurrection literally changed the way hip hop people thought about hip hop. It marked a major turn in hip hop.

That's a classic. I'm with you on that.

Y' all about to be me to death, huh?

Absolutely.

To me is one of the.

I just knew it was coming.

B is incredible.

B is incredible.

I'm agreeing with you guys on Resurrection for sure. And B is great.

Those are both. I know y' all hate mics, but those are the five mic albums for me. And then for me, like Water for Chocolate, which is amazing. One of my favorite albums of all time. And Find It Forever one week. It just wasn't B. Yeah, that's four.

Know what's on that one.

You.

When you hear it, you know, you.

Would know which one is finding Forever.

There's the one right after B.

One right after B. He's still kind of.

Knock it off. Knock it off.

It wasn't B, but it was still.

I'm not doing this with y'. All.

Then. Then you got the. You got the battle resume, right? He was. When you think about his battle versus Ice Cube, his battle versus Ice Cube was important. It was important to hip hop. I mean, Minister Farrakhan intervened. I mean, it wasn't just a small battle. It was a huge battle that affected black culture, Hip hop culture again. And you could make the case he won. You might not say, think that. Some people say, no Vaseline. Some people say they're bitching you. Whatever. It was a major battle. I'm not gonna put the Drake battle as a major battle. Although he held his own, he's battle tested, so he was tough.

Yeah.

And he's been in a. He's had great features, great posse.

Slow down before you rush to the feature features. Okay, so on the battle front, he did that versus Ice Cube. One of the greatest battles of all time against Ice Cube, right?

Yes.

One of the greatest rappers of all time.

One man.

I mean, you could say again? Yeah, sure.

Just one person, right?

Huh?

Mark, you need some sleep. I'm telling you, you're spilling coffee all over yourself. You got the jitters, yo.

Was hot.

And the Drake, if you want to count the Drake battle, that would have to be a loss, right? No.

Yes.

Yeah. He lost that Canada Dry. You think he lost that? Yeah, lost it.

He lost that, Mark. So. All right, so one sweet was fire.

It wasn't like a blowout.

I'm not saying it was. Okay, but he lost that one. Right? All right, so go ahead to the futures.

You think about some of the greatest posse cuts of all time. Like Respiration.

Oh, no, stop. This is where he loses.

Like, let him talk. Stay away. Let the man talk.

Him go.

Respiration is amazing, but please.

I think every verse of Respiration was dope. But I'll take respiration off. My point is, he's been in multiple moments of hip hop. He's lasted through the 90s.

Oh, he left. He left.

He left.

The only person on my side.

I love that record. But Features, he's not winning against J Kiss at all.

No, I'm not saying he's winning against Jadakiss on features. I'm saying I'm talking about this common resume. Take J Kiss off the table for a second. I'm saying he's. He's battle tested Elite albums, been on classic songs. Great Features has one of maybe the greatest hip hop love song of all time, the Light. So you talking about classic tracks too? I mean, also, I used to love her. They make movies after that shit. Using hip hop as a metaphor for women comes from comedy. So his long lasting impact on hip hop is also cemented. And he's part of the Soulquarians, which is one of the greatest hip hop collectors of all time.

Okay, yeah, I mean, you're.

Stop it.

I'm just saying I think Comet. Comet is a hip hop legend and that's what it is.

Yo, take your soul qu.

And he's in cocaine 80s. I know it's fire, but he is in cocaine 80s.

So Qu Music is one of the greatest hip hop collectors ever.

What you say, Parks?

I love soulquarians, but I'm not putting.

Them in one of the greatest hip hop. And I might just shout out to Quest, love is his birthday today, but happy birthday.

Happy birthday, Quest Love. I love you, man. And rest in peace, dealer.

But what? I'm not doing it.

Yeah, damn.

These are all the people y' all saying are part of the greatest music collective, right?

D', Angelo, there's just not enough work. There's not enough work.

There's not enough work.

There's only like three or four maybe tops albums.

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole. But we always say they ain't got enough work when we don't want to choose them. Because when we get to Biggie, all of a sudden he's. He's in goat conversations.

I stay in the same. I say the same thing. He's in that same conversation.

Same thing with Jimi Hendrix. I mean, there's people who are goaded without a whole lot of material. But let's. That's my common argument.

Yeah.

But Biggie's short list of material is way bigger than soul queries. Respectfully. Because I love.

So unless you talk about Erykah Badu's Mama's Gun. Unless you talk about d'. Angelo. Yeah.

You got to throw in a circus Electric or whatever that was too. So.

Which I think.

Don't do it.

No.

No. Don't do it.

I will die alone.

He will.

Electric Circus was ahead of his time.

Enough of you. Now. Once we get to Electric Circus.

I'm not right. I'm not repping Electric Circus. But it wasn't a terrible album. That's all I'm saying.

It wasn't good.

Listen to it now. I bet I have recently.

Actually. That and the Comet has a pretty interesting discography in that he has multiple albums produced by no id. He has an album produced by Pete Rock. He has an album produced by Kanye as an album produced by the Neptunes. The Neptune's one was horrible.

Horrible.

Beyond horrible. What the they was thinking on that?

I have to find it forever. I don't. I'm like. That's the end of his run for me.

Yeah. That's why it's cheating for me to be in these because my views are not. My views are unique to me and me. What y' all talking about is. Is one of the reasons that I probably am not going to rank Common above Jadakiss is Common wins the relationships battle by far. And that man. Huh.

Common was the corporate relationships. But I think Jadakiss. Everyone loves Jadakiss.

Not what I'm saying.

No, I know what you're talking about.

Yeah. It's different.

Not what I'm saying.

Media darling shit.

Yes.

Yes.

I'm saying.

I'm thinking ignorant.

I'm saying Jadakiss came in on a. On a shit deal. He did on a shit deal. Had to fight to get off that deal. Then paid to get to be a Part of his next run, which was the Rough Riders run. That's when we got the real, real music. And then from there he's just been him coasting like relying on his skill set and what other MCs think of him. There's been no Common. A large part of. And he wins the longevity battle. But a large part of that that is his relationships and his label situations. I know that the masses will never count that stuff.

I think that's a fair point.

The masses will never. But yeah, come on.

But that to me, that's just why Common is ranked high.

I was on Def Jam when Common B came out. And we know what time it was with getting one Kanye beat at that time.

Yeah.

So for him to pop up with an album and it be fire and Kanye piping hot. He was out of here. Common was going, man. And again, one of the greatest MCs. So please don't get. But I'm just not sure if I personally. But I'm from New York too. Like I'm sure a lot of this. So Jadakiss features. Jadakiss appears on more songs that are important to my hip hop lineage than Common. Yeah.

The banger list. Common loses.

Yes.

Like the bangers that Jada kiss on is. It's not even close.

But I think if I had to. If you left me with five Common songs and five Jadakiss songs.

Right.

Or three or two or one or whatever. For me the Common ones are a little more important. Like. Like to me there are very few songs in. In hip hop that are more important in the light. There are very few songs important. I used to love her.

Yes.

I mean I'm just going.

That would be number one.

Not in that order. I used to love her to me is top, top, top, top, top, top, top. The light for me is the hip hop's greatest love song. Along with maybe like Renee and a couple other. But very, very, very small.

All of that shit is slots behind Benjamin Benjamins and I'm not. Yeah. The Light is a hundred slots behind Benjamin.

You can't put the Benjamins in the same conversation.

That's just different genres. To me.

That's a posse cut with.

I think they're both puff. I think they're both different genres.

And I think that's fair. And I think that's why.

That's why I would have never thought to even to do this.

It's an interesting head to head.

Yeah.

And I think they're very close, by the way. I think they're within two or Three. I think Red Man's probably in that same kind of stratosphere.

Yes. But I got them both above Red man, but not by much. Okay, again, I don't think you're wrong if you have Red man higher. I think they're all in the same conversation. There's not a wrong answer. But I haven't heard.

I can't say nah. Hell no, man. I'm from New Jersey. I can't sit here.

I can't sit here.

There's no way I can sit here quietly and let y' all say y'. All.

Don't say y'.

All.

Even if y' all are right.

Even if y' all are right. Cause I'm not gonna argue it. But I'm from New Jersey. I can't let y' all do that, man. No way.

No, y'.

All.

You don't think Common's better than Red Man?

My.

All right, so there's also a different conversation.

And even if you say Common is better than Red Man, I'm just not gonna do that while sitting in.

Why y' all changed the conversation. I didn't say better.

True.

When we. When we talk about great, like on MC List, we're not. We're not talking about skill. We're not talking about who's a better rapper. We're talking about, to me, greater involves the whole career here, the whole collective.

Let me ask you this.

I think Redman, Common.

Sorry to interrupt.

I think that's a pretty fun argument because they both went into film and, you know.

Yeah.

The later part of their careers.

And they're both in the same peer.

Group that's in the same era.

Yes, the same era.

They both didn't go into film. And I was about to ask that question. If you pull commons, filmography, IMDb, whatever you want to call it, away from this commons public Persona definitely diminishes by some, for sure. Yeah. Okay. So it's. It's kind of unfair at that point.

But that's. I'm going. I'm going just by the music.

A lot of people can't. You can't separate what Common has done in the entertainment sphere versus what he's done in the music. And I think this was in John Wick, bro. Like that is. Has a list on his. On his resume. I'm with you.

And that's the same argument for. We can say about LL Latifah, all the people who are greats. Anyway. We can't separate them. But I still want to be able to have them high on A great. But what is the Jada King?

Do you have Common hide in Most Def?

Yes, yes.

But Most Def is a better Much to me, a better rapper, a better mc. But just when you talk about body of work and impact and all the other things we just talked about. As much as I love Most Def, when he's rapping, it's just not enough of it.

There's not enough material.

If a track comes on. If a track. If a track comes on and Common and Kiss are on the track, who. Who does what?

Depends on what track it is.

No, it don't.

It does a little bit.

No, absolutely does.

Common ain't gonna just get smoked, though.

Smoked? I mean, you think he did a restoration, but, like.

No, he didn't get smoking restoration. That was what I was saying.

Oh, okay.

I was just. So don't put posse cuts in this conversation because Benjamin exists and made you look remix exist. There's too much.

Hold up, you guys, because I'm taking this call. Hello? What up, bro? All right, there we go. I'm live on air, so don't say anything that'll get either one of us in trouble. Sean Stockman, how you doing, man? I'm good, man.

Happy New Year to all y', all, man.

Happy New Year.

Happy New Year, bro.

Happy New Year, bro.

We were in the middle of a spirited hip hop. Hip hop discussion, but I did want to answer your call because I need a lot of tickets to that Boys to Men New Edition shit. I'm not gonna lie to you. My mom want eight. I need about nine. So this is more tickets than I've ever asked for in my life, and I'm gonna buy some, but I'm still gonna come to you for some, too.

Okay. That's a lot to unpack.

I'm assuming.

I heard that you guys had a conversation, and I want to say that Parks mentioned about the post that I put up on my page. Indeed noted. These tickets that you're asking for, you know, I have to pay for.

Oh, no, I'll pay for them.

We're comfortable with that.

I'll pay for them. I'll pay for mine.

Okay. So realistically, how many tickets do you really need?

Oh, I don't know. I'm talking. Sean. I'll figure it out in real life and text you in real life about it.

Okay.

But are you all right?

I'm good, man. I didn't know you called. I was probably right in the middle of rehearsal when you called me.

Oh, okay. Cool, cool. Y' all are kicking it but you're kicking ass on that podcast.

Podcast is great.

I appreciate it. And, Mark, man, thank you for the, for the shout. They all thank all y', all, man. For real, though, like, I appreciate you guys even mentioning it, man, on y'. All big, big, big, big platform. I, I. It helps a lot. So I, I thank y' all so much for that, man.

Anytime.

And, and, yo, Joe, I.

If I'm.

If I'm in town, I would love to stop by if you guys are filming around the time that.

Oh, yeah, we'll be in town.

Well, I would absolutely love that. That. I would absolutely love that.

I would love to pull up, say, say hello to the folks.

So please, please, please do my. My door is always open. Please.

I, I appreciate you, but.

Yeah, but, but hit me later, man, and we'll. We'll talk about, you know, tickets and everything and, and anybody else that's, you know, on the team that wants to, you know, pull up.

Yeah, it's probably just gonna be me. No, probably just gonna be me.

I'll text you, Sean.

Thank you. All right, Sean. Okay.

All right, y' all love.

Take care.

Yeah, you terrible. Yeah, bro. Y' all don't with that, right?

Shut up. I'm definitely going to that one.

I am there. Got my tickets two months ago.

Y' all lying.

You vicious, bro.

Give me the first two sentences on bending knee. That's what I mean about you. See? That's what I mean.

Look.

Stuck them. Thumped them real. You still talking.

I gotta just.

Just give me the first two on bending me.

Give me the chorus. The Four Seasons, you ass.

Reverse.

But you didn't answer mine.

I'm trying to do the reverse. I hear it. I'mma say it.

I threw the reverse.

That's what do.

Oh, man. All right, back to what is.

I need to hear the Jadakiss argument because I want. All I'm getting is.

I'm just.

I'mma just throw a few jabs out.

Oh, wait, I thought I started that already.

No, you think, you think the. You think the comments. Common Ice Cube battle was bigger for hip hop. And then Jaden Beans. Kiss and Beans.

Yes.

Yes.

No.

Yeah, I think so. I think it's. It's apples and oranges.

It is.

It's apples and oranges.

That was the best battle ever.

What?

To me. Well, one of the best battles ever.

Which one? Kiss.

The Kiss. Win that. And this is the process.

Why they're not paired.

Well, sorry, I'm not asking. Nobody in common.

Ice Cube battle with was bigger in commercialized The Kiss.

That's what I'm saying.

But the Kiss and Jada Kiss battle was some underground. Let's get these lyrics out.

I think that's fair.

You know what I'm saying?

Again, if you say, I wouldn't die on the. And I would say Common's battle was bigger. But I also think I. I don't think J won that battle.

It don't matter.

It was a tie.

What you saying? Like, yeah, he didn't lose.

Because you're from Philly.

I'm from Philly, so I'll take that as a bias. Just like y' all from New York.

That's part of why that battle was so great. Because who knows who won? It ain't just us.

It's a lot of motherfuckers outside of both of these cities that'll say, damn, I really can't call that one.

Yeah, it's. It's a.

Who won some years, I say kiss some years, I say beans. I change my mind all the time.

That's what Amazing battle every day. I say, beans. Of course you would see, but still. All y' all still doing is chipping away at the Common.

And Cube, to me, was so big because Common was already dissing them niggas on I Used to Love her so.

Yeah, well, sort of. I think he got his feelings.

Yeah.

Who respect that battle.

You think?

Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think he was dissing the West Coast.

Yeah, he wasn't.

I don't think that was his intention.

Yo, this is one of my favorite hip hop songs of all time. If I heard that, what he was saying, that was a West coast diss.

It was a thousand percent. A thousand percent.

I get what you're saying. I know why people say that now. She popping tops of hitting switches. Now she's a gangster hanging with gangster. I think he was.

Was.

I don't think that was about.

I don't think that's a dissolve.

I don't think so either. I think he's more just talking about the twists and turns of hip hop. He might not like all them, but I don't think he was saying, like, the west side connection, which is basically how they took it. I don't think he was saying Ice Cube.

No.

He said hip hop used to be this pure, beautiful.

Art form.

And now that shit is cheap selling pussy. It's whack. Is.

But he said that about everybody. He said y' all slamming and taking it to the sewer. That wasn't about the West Coast. That was about. I mean, I'm just saying there's a. There's a.

That. That's a metaphor. So one was a whole verse. It was a whole story. In the song I'm with you.

I. I saw it as a conscious hip hop head saying it's not pure no more. And everywhere and everywhere.

But this pure thing, why is it not pure? Well, not pure.

Why though? Because of commercialization. Because all the things he's talking about. I'm just saying I don't think he was trying to diss west coast rappers pure.

And now you over here and you not pure.

I don't think he thinks it's pure over here either. I don't think he thought the east coast kept it pure. That's what I said. I think he's. I think it's an elitist hip hop position more than it is an anti west coast position.

Well, after that song, I just don't think it's such a big coincidence that they started beefing.

That's what they took it personally.

You from the West Coast.

I'm saying if I was from the West, I would have took that person.

Exactly.

I get that. I ain't mad at that. But that made a great. To me, that was. To me, that is one of hip hop's greatest battles. Maybe the best. You know, Certainly top three for me.

Yeah. That was the bitching. You was a shock. It was like, oh, Common.

And that's part of it too, is people didn't know Common could do that. Yeah. And they. Because they forgot about. Can I borrow a dollar? They forgot about the original Common.

We didn't listen to that one that much.

The album wasn't great, but the Persona was great. And then. Yeah, you remember, you was in the Jeep then. But tell me just before we wrap this up, can somebody tell me why Jada make the case for Jadakiss, not just the case against Kyle?

The law locks. Very simple. The locks. The guest features, the. The. His discography ain't bad. It ain't chunk. He just don't really have the classic album. Like, that's all he missed. That's all he's missing.

Yeah. Comment has him wiped down on the albums.

Yeah, that's it.

And you think everything else. Jadakiss got him wiped down.

Personally. Yes.

Or wipe down.

I'm not gonna say wipe down.

He's higher.

I have Jadakiss ranked higher on my all time.

Okay, fair enough.

If we're gonna.

You can just go to Jadak is, you know, whatever, wherever you listen to your music and just hit Shuffle.

Yeah.

And it'll answer the question for you. Yeah.

And I think that back in the height of verses, I was saying that I don't. I don't know if there's too many people that can beat Jadakiss in the verses that also, he literally has songs for any situation.

Anything.

Come on.

I want to get to this other argument we was about to have.

I was going to stay in the 20s rappers because we got some new TI for me.

Oh, do we?

He's in my 20s. We got.

We got a new record.

Speaking of versus, that's the other one that can't be with.

Yeah.

So hard, so hard.

Popping ain't no little dropping bags There's.

A lot to you to me a.

Little real dope Boys in the trap.

Solitaires All I do is big rocks.

I came from dilly rock all the way to hill on the throne Ain't when I'm on she can kick let her know. That. No, I never heard this.

It just came out.

Just came out.

Came out fire.

When?

Like just yesterday. Yeah, yesterday.

Some like that snippet came out and the next thing you know, song came out video.

Him cutting his dreads off, cut his braids off.

Black and white.

I put my. I put my thumb on the screen and scroll if I see something that say ti's cutting his head.

Not when it comes with.

This.

Was fire.

This was fire from when your girl was around.

This might work.

Yeah.

No, I just mean having the sound up.

I was too quick. Point made. Yo, this fire, man.

This is amazing.

I can't wait.

That's nuts. This is nuts.

And he announced his new album.

Yep.

Yeah.

So I can't wait for it.

I thought he retired.

Well, all that.

What park said don't nobody ever return, only you. And now he's saying this is my final album.

Yeah.

Let him know I don't care who.

Did this, who did that beat. For real.

And I hope he does a lot more on this one.

I hope you do the whole damn album.

Word. Whoa.

I don't hope he do the whole album.

I do. I mean I love to and. And the millions people that he's worked.

With, but he always has top flight production.

He does.

I just love his song so much.

From the top. You want me pick up where we.

Stop for the top?

No, that is.

I wanted to hear from the top, but you saying that made me feel like I need to hear the rest.

You was of flowing on the second verse.

I just really want to hear the drum drop again.

That flow Is amazing.

That's a pocket.

That is amazing.

That's.

Yo, dog, what y' all saying is true, but whatever he did to these drums, he stupid. These drums doing a whole different type of boogie. No, ain't got these drums in. They in. They triton.

It ain't 2000 logic.

Hey, them ain't the Triton drums. They actually might be. They might be.

Yo, but they're in Logic something.

This is Go Go.

They say you live and die by your decision I'mma push it to the.

Limit never mind the consequences Interfering nigga I'mma handle let them know on another.

Level my SS put together hit the.

Pedal do 200 everywhere I go better than I stay get to show the dating on the phone ain't what I'm on She can kick rock Let her know. I need Shaboozy right here. Louis Duffel bad Victoria.

Like I still.

Got a problem all they do is.

Fight for number two.

Cause I'm the one I'm still making play with the one all we know.

Is success Hit her with some rip sex Good luck in your back she.

Fell over mine to my letter.

This is incredible Fire.

This is. This is.

This is absolutely incredible.

That's vintage TI Right there.

Yeah, yeah.

That's a reminder record. Yeah, but everybody talking slick and. Yeah, I know y' all ain't seen. Y' all ain't heard me rap in a minute. You see the comedy. You see all this other. This is what I do, just in case you forgot. Yo, I wouldn't be surprised that put that comedy show out just as to get a little talk going. Yeah, let me show you what was really. I really was working on. That's that. What? You know, the first time I heard that was. That's that.

Yeah, I know there's no such thing as a hit anymore, but whatever the new word is, that's it.

Yeah, Flames.

They was in the studio dancing. He was in there saying, we back.

Word, word.

And then Pharrell was like, yeah, let me get in the booth really quickly. Let me get my boof real quick. God, like, damn. I need to hear Shaboozi and Young DRO on this.

Okay.

I need Young DRO on this.

That's a young drone. Oh, come on.

Give me Young dro. That's crazy.

That is crazy.

That is amazing. That's nice right there. That's amazing. That was good to hear.

Absolutely. Not just. I was going to stay in the house. Now you got to hear that outside.

Yo, dog, the only reason I went out is cuz did you get a TI joint? I gotta hear this outside.

I got a Florida trip in my future. I got a Vegas trip in my future. And unfortunately, I have an LA trip in my future.

Why you say unfortunately?

I hate going out there.

It can be tough sometimes.

It's not.

I love it.

If there were ever people that were, like, true to where they live at, like, I'm so New York that LA is just. It's hustle and bustle time. It's a million meetings in three days. It's crowded lobbies. It's. It's waiters that are waiting for their shot at fan.

Although. And I think it was 2016 when we did the Crib in the Hills with Zombie and all them. That was. That was. That gave me a different view of la. That is better to me than doing, like, the Montreal, the regular, like.

I mean, I'm gonna twist it. I've had a lot of fun in la. Some would say too much fun. Especially the Valley. Shout out to the Valley. Yeah, but I'll be back. I'll be back. That song was sick. That was amazing. You can't just pull that out. That wasn't on the board. Oh, yes, it was right there.

Pull that out. God, they just made fun of the comedy. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Here's this. Yeah, here's a little something.

That's my second job.

Yeah.

My first one is this right here.

Laugh at that. Yeah.

Don't retire.

You got any more heat like that in the talk before we get to the next argument.

No, that was the only new music I think that I got to this weekend.

Okay, now we got another classic Joe and Is argument this time. I don't feel like it should take too long.

Me and you.

Yeah. Oh, go ahead. Right, I'm listening.

I can't.

Yeah.

How did this come up? Me Ice was telling me he. He was asking everybody for their shoe size.

Oh, yeah.

Back in the sneaker game.

And I said, Yo, I wear 11, but next to my shoe size. Tell him I might not rock it. I was just playing around with Freeze, just making jokes. They'll tell them, I don't know how you construct these deals, but let them know I ain't just putting anything on my foot.

Don't promise the Joe button, yo.

Send Jagged Edge. Promise nothing is promised when you send my shit over there. So me and Freeze are joking back and forth. And then Freeze tells me who the person is that's asking for the shoe size. So I say to him, oh, oh, this is someone that I've worked with previously.

Sure.

Someone who has given me merchandise previously. I tell him that prior history is very important to me.

Someone's on the upswing now.

Now that I did go into that. I said, prior history is important when deciding these things, so I may wear it now.

Future projections are important as well.

This was a good guy with good product. I think that this person's stock is headed up. Count me in. To which my good brother is chimed in. Which. Who the Was talking to him. But my good brother is chimed in. And am I lying so far?

Yeah, you are. You bought me in this. You said, yo, tell them I'm not ishing them. I don't be doing X, Y, and.

Z. Oh, I said that. I said that. That's what happened.

And this. Yo, this is great at.

You're absolutely right.

Framing the entire picture.

But go ahead.

I did say that.

Yo, I'm not issuing them who just put anything on their feet when it come to me, like, let them know it might not go down. But then you chimed in and said, yo, that matters to you about someone's stock going up.

This nigga's great.

And I said, so.

Crowd.

Crowd.

He added a whole bunch of bullshit that wasn't there to make it sound great. He said, oh, yeah, homeboy's going. Going places. Yeah, count me in. And I said, that's a deciding factor on whether you want to wear somebody's shit, is if they going places or not. And then he said, said it's a factor.

Yeah, it's.

It's a big factor.

And.

And to me, you said, yo, so it's not a factor for you? And I said, no. And then I said, yes, it is, fam. I've warned people in here that forgive me.

Forgive me.

I know these ain't going nowhere.

And I'm just being supportive of the people. That's not a deciding factor on me. Or whether I'm going support somebody. That's not.

So what you.

Okay.

So what Joe said was right.

What?

That you just throw.

If I'm being supportive of somebody's. Yeah, like, they. They trajectory ain't a deciding factor on whether I want to be supportive enough.

Just one question. What is the. What is the deciding factor for you?

If I like the. Send us clothes all the time. My. If I don't like it, I'm not gonna wear it. But if I like your, I'll wear your. And I don't need no payola. I don't need none of that. If I With y' all Like, I've never took him taking a dollar. But I'll wear your shit. That's just.

It could payola in other ways.

Right. And be clear, I wasn't just talking about wearing somebody's shit. Like I was saying if somebody is going places, then that factors. And we have a previous history. Yes. That I factored that in on if we. If I'm fucking with you or not. 100% got you. Not about just wearing the sneakers. And then you said. Said you don't do that, Right.

Yeah. If you like it, he put it on.

Yeah.

No, but just on a broader sense, because that's real. That's real narrow.

But there's a difference between liking something, putting it on, and like, it's something put it on in front of 3 million people every week.

Yeah.

If you just wear it because you like the. Like, that's cool.

But like, y' all are narrow. Minding my fight with ish.

Okay.

The clothes.

What I. What? I took that as the clothes. The way I took it. You were saying the. I know this person. I like this. All of this. That if I know this person's going somewhere and they got something that I might rock with. Oh, yeah. That then I could I.

Your history wagon.

I don't want to call it hitch.

But I'll with it. That's what he's saying. I'll with it.

I'll with it.

Yeah.

Is that kind of what you were saying? Yeah, I'm.

I. And I say I may support it. This is somebody that's giving me in the past. I rock with them. We've established something, and I believe them to be going somewhere.

I'm with that.

I'm with.

With that. Okay.

Now.

And if I like the.

More importantly, you gotta like.

That's first. Right.

Y' all gotta like it.

Even if you don't like it, you're gonna with it.

You say, no.

No, I'm not. No, I have to like it.

Listen, they both gotta like it.

I have to like it.

Okay.

I got a lot of I don't like. And it don't. It stays in the boxes unless you.

Get that that's true.

People send me terrible stuff.

You trying to win on. On clothes. And I'm trying to put you in the corner of how do you establish your new relationships?

And.

And does that person's stock factor into how you with them?

No.

No.

I'm answering you for the 14th time. No. I got friends that are going nowhere. Major money. I got friends that don't have no money. I Don't pick and choose my friends based on what their trajectory is.

He just loves.

I got friends.

I talk to new people.

New people.

Based on this part, I just think the difference.

I have new friends that don't have no money. I have new friends that I think no disrespect to nobody that are just plateaued and they. That's what they going to be.

Yeah.

So not just money.

You could still be a quality individual, and that don't matter to me what your trajectory is.

Oh, yeah. See, this is a different conversation to me. We're talking about friendship versus putting something on.

He said that.

Okay.

I was never talking about friendship. He.

He moved it into.

I'm never talking about friendship.

No, not friendship. Relationship to relationship. Relationships. He took it off of clothing and all other and moved into relationships. And I'm saying, yo, I don't pick and choose the people that I with based on what I think they gonna ascend to be.

Oh, me either.

Yeah, I think that's fine.

And you do.

I think wearing someone's.

Yes.

That's the reason why I said if.

We'Re not doing that, then what the is the point of a new friendship?

Look, I'm gonna tell you ish.

These quality people with out.

I think Joe said in the room of quality people, he's going to pick the one.

This is why I said.

Okay.

This is why I said I didn't agree with that.

I understand.

Because you're a person that will say, like, yo, you don't even know. That conversation could lead to xyz. That means that that person has some level that could take you to another level. True. So they got some. You see something in having that relationship or building that relationship with that person. Cool.

Anyone could bring that.

But that's not a deciding factor on whether I with somebody or not.

Not.

Or support them.

Yeah.

I think that's all very different from wearing someone's clothes.

That's not a deciding factor on whether I. I. I enter into a relationship.

All right, then I had you backed wrong. Pause.

I bet you did.

I had you backed wrong. I just seen how you act with like, I. So. But I mean, maybe you change.

You said, see how he act. Say more.

Mark, you trying to give me the fire at my brother?

No, I don't. I'm asking for clarity for the audience. We don't understand. You don't have your relationship.

Yo, I've seen. I've seen. I've seen is communicate when. When the girl looked like she worked on Wall street and I'VE seen him communicate when the girl looked like she worked on canal. Same with men.

You think the communication is different?

The twinkle in your eyes? Everything. Not just the communication. I think everything is. Your whole swag is different.

Boy, you ride with that?

No.

You ride with that. I've seen you.

No, that's why I'm breaking this couch up soon too. Anyway, don't worry about that. This is one of the reasons this couch is getting broke up. You riding with that. I don't give a fuck why he's riding with Flip.

Ain't R with that.

No, I'm not. I'm with you.

Ain't R with you?

I don't think so.

Which has never stopped the car from moving. Also which has never stopped the car from moving. You know better. All right. That was a quick fight. That was.

That was.

That was a quick fight.

Damn good, dude.

That's it.

Yeah.

You accept everyone. This is why you have a lot of friends around the world with the shitty brush. Everybody like bad bristle.

No, he just, like, talk.

Not one bad thing. I heard about you outside.

I. I would say that people love you. I've heard bad things. People. But.

Well, what type of bad day you.

Heard that I be shooting that nigga's girls.

Oh, yeah, that's bad.

A few come.

I heard about that, too. I heard about that.

That's a fact.

Hold on. But I don't consider that bad.

That's his. Just his bag.

I don't. I don't consider that bad.

Y' all should stop doing.

Is it your friend? Was it your friend? Were you shooting at your friend?

Whoever do that? Oh, this one was telling me a story for 20 minutes while cutting my hat. I had to tell him, yo, it you. I'm good. I was like, I can't hear no more. He's about to my head up.

It's like they introduce you to the girl and then you go and shoot at them.

Like, what?

How you do an issue or they shoot at you.

This had. He was like, she. We were in the freezer aisle.

Yeah, go ahead.

That was in tears, dog.

You took the chicken to the supermarket.

He said, she was in the supermarket.

I'm lying.

Or dude was lying. Yo, dog, I called you when he.

Was telling me personalize you did this.

He tried to move over it. It's try to move over it.

Yeah. I don't want to center on ish. It's the Joe Biden podcast. Eight million listeners.

That's a fact. That's a fact. That's a Fact. But no, actually I think you do have.

But if we say that you're such a great scholar, we could talk about it for a long time. But this shit we can't talk about.

I'm with you, Flip, though. All jokes aside, like, when I meet people who know is. It's from all walks of life, from the high ups to everyday people.

Like, they have great things to say about him.

Yeah, he don't got picks like that. Joe, do you think like in the next five years you'll make any friends and build any relationships with somebody who's not going anywhere?

Anywhere? No.

Watch your mouth.

He said, I'm trying to get rid of what I got.

I don't think that's gonna happen.

He's a nice guy. I'll listen to this.

Do you actively try to like, get rid of some of the people you've. Do you look at inventory and say, you know what? Mike ain't going nowhere.

I just got views on. On, on new. New friendships. I just got views on new friendships.

Do people get grandfathered in, though?

Like, do you pass that point? I'm weary, all you mo. Okay, I'm. I'm weary of them all. Don't. I said that. You gotta give. You got to give me reason to not be weary. And part of that is what's going on with you, what you got going on. The same with women that you had to learn that lesson. Start with women that had something going on.

Something.

Yeah, you gotta look at a little. It's the same thing on that side.

Which is how I heard it first. When I agree with you, I get it. Like, it's hard to build relations. People ain't going nowhere when you're going somewhere. And I don't mean money or nothing like that. I just mean life. Because that's a recipe for disaster and trouble. It's one thing if you got them people in your life from 20 years ago because you kind of know them, you trust them. But new people that ain't doing shit don't usually. It don't usually end up.

Where does the conversation go after. After a while.

Because my whole life is working.

Redundant.

Yeah.

Most of my whole life is work. By the time you get to. Well, let me speak for me at 45, heading into 46, every. All the boxes in my life are there. Got my friend box, my work box, my relationship box box, kids, dad. Like a new box, a new person.

I feel you.

Where did they come from?

A new box.

And why?

And why are they here? And what do you like to do like, where you come you and call me when you got a Sears.

Yo, I just picked up a microwave. What the are you talking about? Stop that. I get what you're saying, but stop. That's not nice. That's not nice.

You're elitist.

Show. I'm not. Are you trying. But I'm not. I'm not.

And answer Mark's question.

Are you.

Are you trying to get rid of any friends?

Yeah, I'm not trying to get rid of. No. I love my friend group just the way that it is. I love them. I don't have any friend that I sit and think about how to 86 them, do y'? All?

Yes.

Yes.

I got threes on the bubble right now.

Oh, shit.

It's a lot of niggas. You just realize you my groupmay he.

One bad choice away.

Yeah. You realize you are blue. It's a lot of life will teach you, man. You realize some of these ain't going nowhere.

How many friends y' all got? How many male friends y' all got?

I had a little bit.

This is not a conversation. I'm just asking. My memory is bad.

No. Yeah.

74.

Yeah.

This got a lot friends.

Like, no, probably about 15. Like 15, 20.

Do you make a distinction between your friends and your mans?

As I get older, the friend word definitely has more meaning to me now than it used to. But, yeah, I probably got 15, 20, like friends. I get out my bed for.

It's a lot of.

Yeah, that's.

That's a good measuring stick too.

Yeah, you get out the bed.

Yeah, that's a lot of, man.

Yo, I get out the bed for you, bro.

It's a lot.

It's a lot, though.

Yeah.

I'm willing to get uncomfortable. I was comfortable in bed. Now I gotta get up.

I gotta show up for you put on my a low. Get out. Get out the house.

I gotta show up for you. How many people, yo, how many people will you show up up for?

No, you're right.

So you'll get uncomfortable for them.

I'm just repeating what interrupt my comfort.

You'll get out the bed and get uncomfortable.

So you out of bed. You'll get uncomfortable. I told y' all about the history of New.

I must have definitely transitioned to Jersey City real early.

Stupid. I would ask Mark, but I was at the kickback. Mark got mad. He get undressed. He got a bunch of. He got a bunch of them.

Yeah, you got a bunch people that.

Went to college, though. I give them the college pass of you Know, you know, they got a little more.

But I don't consider all them people friends.

Damn.

There's like a list of, like, people who come to your house. That ain't saying the same as the list of people who I would get out of bed for. That's a much smaller list. It's probably about the same as yours. Probably about the same as yours. How about you, Flip?

At this age, I got a lot of people. Like five. Like five people that I'll get up.

For, but I'm counting in my head. I'm at like 8.

Say, including me. When you say it, though.

You said what, cuz?

Since your number's so low, you got to say including me. I got five, including you. Make sure. Yo, am I included?

Yeah, you included.

All right. So it's really four of y' all.

Left out?

No, no, I don't measure it by getting out the bed, cuz it may be an emergency and I'm just a helpful guy.

But that's.

That's who I would go.

Who I would go to the extent for about 5, 5, 6, and that cup, you know, y' all saying that.

Some of these people that you'll get out the bed, you'll go to the extent for, who you'll get uncomfortable for. Some of these people are going absolutely nowhere.

Yes.

I'm asking you.

The measuring stick that we using as far as going somewhere, we talking about career wise or financially or whatever the case may be.

I'm talking about character, too.

Yeah, that's my point. So a could be going nowhere financially.

Spoke to somebody that you just. When they're not going anywhere, you just feel it's draining. What do you have to talk about?

What can you.

What's the relatability now?

Ain't draining.

You still got them TVs for.

What is the related. Because now I don't judge. I don't judge anybody. Because any could be useful if you're not. If you're not useful, if you can't be used, you can't be.

You're useless.

So any could be. You know what I'm saying? There's some that you.

Bro, but what I'm saying is that.

Have you ever seen.

What the did you just say?

I'm saying that there's niggas out here that you can use for other things I don't want. It's a big broadcast. You can use them for other things besides business. That's what I'm saying.

I don't care. If you're not useful, then you're useless.

Oh, yeah.

Like, if you're having some trouble on one of them Brooklyn streets.

What you talking about?

Anybody that may be having trouble on.

A Brooklyn street, you wouldn't do nothing.

If I had trouble in the Brooklyn.

Streets anyway, but I'm still in there.

It's a damn shame what happened to Flip. I can see you right now. You wouldn't do nothing. So don't worry about the Brooklyn streets. What I'm saying, though. You know what I'm saying?

I do.

Speaking of somebody, it's just draining.

That's it.

Sometimes.

But I. I got. I got same story. It's like a. I have friends that are going somewhere, and sometimes talking to them is drinking.

Shout them out.

You get what I'm saying? So I got friends that don't necessarily. Based on the context that we talking about financially and like that. That's not going nowhere. But them is my niggas, and I love them when we engage in good conversations. Conversation. Yo, I'm not picking my friends. That's like some cute. Where they just pick their friends based on the girl.

Huh?

Okay.

They girl. They just picking their homegirls based on who's cute. That is whack to me.

What.

What has to happen for y' all to consider someone a friend?

Like what? What?

Some solid.

Yo, change my tire, yo. I love it. I've been stuck behind that five. Change my tire. It's out of here. It's easy to be a friend, isn't it?

Be honest.

It's not.

It's. It's easy to be cool with me. But for you to be my friend. No, it ain't easy.

You crazy.

You gotta go through some.

Yeah, like I don't with these.

I agree.

Like, I love you.

Listen. I'm ready to listen.

You know what time it is?

You know what time. He ain't tricking me. We sented him enough so he ain't triggering.

Be life after.

Met a waiter.

Oh, it's my dog.

No, you not. You don't know. He just served you a orange juice. Now he a dog wild because he gave you a straw, stupid.

No, yo, if you only got 15. Enough of that. My man. My man. My man, too. Why dead that if you just got 15? I don't want to hear that many. My man.

Yo, somebody.

You ain't got that many mans. Somebody that I know.

I'm on the broadcast. If I'm telling a story that happened with some people, what I'm supposed to.

Let me ask you.

Yo, a guy. I know your Last question.

Because I know you want to move on.

It works.

We talked about this before, right? So if you have a man and let's say you're out and he's. He's rude to a waiter, is it over for him? Because you said you don't like that. Like I don't like that.

Is it over?

He my man. I'm be like, yo, why the you being an to the waiter?

My.

Oh, but you're still talk.

Yeah. You don't cut people out.

I argue with my friends, bro.

Clearly.

Bitch don't cut nobody crazy.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm good.

Is it cool?

Yeah, I'm good.

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We got it.

But it never is now we got never is. They promised me it would be this time. So let's see, gentlemen, what did you think of the games?

Great, great slate of football this weekend for the most part. Except for Seahawks absolutely destroyed the Niners. Funny, that team's impressive. They're going to super bowl parks.

You root for the Bears Right. No, you for the Dolphins. Never mind.

I am a Dolphins fan, but I was rooting for the Bears, and that was an amazing game. Caleb Williams threw one of the best passes I've ever seen in my entire life.

Amazing.

I actually saw that. I was out and I saw it on the TV and I was like, yo, that look epic. That was same night.

Mark, we got it. We'll do the football.

No, no, I want to ask.

We'll do the football, buddy.

I'm not. I'm asking because. I don't know. I'm saying. So, like, I'm assuming Chicago was. Was the underdog there.

They were hosting. They were. They were the home team, so they weren't really the underdog. Although the Rams a lot of people view as the best team in the nfc. I disagree. I think the Seahawks are.

But okay.

They're both great teams. So we got a good NFC championship game coming up. We do a little bit less exciting in the afc. Great Bills, Denver game. But then Bo Nix is out for the year. So that's gonna. Yeah, it's. We get Patriots. Denver with a back quarterback.

Yeah.

Boom. Sorry.

So who. That means. So who's going to the super bowl from the AFC then?

Probably the Patriots.

More than likely.

More than likely.

Likely.

Yeah. The Patriots had the easiest schedule in the league. They got to play playoff. Herbert. They got C.J. with five. Five turnovers. And now they get Denver's backup, and it looks like they will be in the Super Bowl. Congratulations to all the Patriot fans out there. Talk about a rebuild. Quick talk about a quick, fast. Talk about Drake May. They talked a lot of. About that pitch Pick panned out.

Variable is him.

Talk about getting away from a coach when it don't work and then hiring one that does. Yeah, man. Man, you get. You got to salute that cj. Way to let down.

Oh, my God.

One of the best defensive efforts I've ever seen in a football game.

Yo, why. Why are people saying that?

Because Texas. The Texans defense is really real.

I know, but, yo, dog, he couldn't breathe. Yeah, it was a party in the backfield. My. Like, he was trying to make some happen. They blaming him like my. He like, what the fuck they was.

He wouldn't have even been in that the game to start the second half if I were coaching. Oh, we were my best in a New York state.

And I hate to tell you, they really had a shot to win the game until the end.

Which is why I text you.

Yeah.

Remember, I text you like, yo, dog, they not putting them away. I thought Houston was going to come back and win that game because they wasn't really putting them away till one.

Of them picks Houston. Your defense really showed up, cj. I have no idea what the fuck you was doing. Doing. Somebody tweeted me and said, C.J. ain't been the same since he gave Amber a ride. And I'm inclined to agree. Talk about an epic fall off his first season.

Nico is the man neither one of them played. They couldn't run the ball for, though they was on his ass. I think that's an unfair criticism. But nonetheless, he stunk it up.

You can't look the way that he looked and not come away with criticism. They have him in interviews saying when he was saying the top. The best quarterbacks in the league, he put himself in the top five. You can't go out there and do that. Granted, your run game did nothing. You were without Schultz, you without Collins still. And the weather was bad. Run the ball. Do something. You cannot do what he did and not have some criticism. Sorry. And he's got a fifth year option coming up. Talk about somebody that lost a lot of money. Talk about losing yourself a shit ton of money. That's what he went out there and did. Did. Congratulations to the. To the. The Patriots. Who else? Who else? Josh Allen. Sean McDermott out as coach of the Bills. Shock.

It didn't shock me. There's rumblings that they were going to move on from him and I.

What's the argument? Because they've been so successful last.

Can't get over the hump.

Can't get over the hump.

Mike Tomlin argument that is saying like, yo, dog, we just keep getting right here. I disagree with it.

But.

But they got further though.

They.

And they was playing. Patty, bro.

Josh Allen. You have to win that game. Sorry.

Yeah.

There's no excuse. You have to. You have to win that game in a.

In a.

In a playoff with no Burrow, no Mahomes, no Jackson.

He had a couple. He had some bad turnovers himself.

Yeah, real bad.

He always has bad turnovers. It just be going under the wraps.

Like he's throwing the ball to fucking Kincaid and. And Keon Coleman.

Yeah.

Their.

Their general management has dropped the ball for that team. I think they're a bigger scapegoat than. Than McDermott.

Well, he's gotten a promotion. The general manager of the Bills.

Yeah.

He'll be in charge of the coaching search, so let's see how that goes.

Yeah, I. I feel bad for Bill's fans. This should have Been the year it. And now it's. Who knows what the future looks like for them.

Yeah.

And I would much rather see them in. In this playoff without B. Knicks being there.

I agree.

I'm so glad I get to turn on my TV and not see Bo Knicks.

I'm not the biggest Bo Knicks fan you drafted.

I did. That's why. That's why I'm still mad. That's why I'm still mad at.

I'm not the biggest bone fan. I don't want to see Jared Stam.

Or whatever.

Jason Statham playing quarterback. That's their defense is for real though. So it might. It might be a game, but I can't see them.

B. Knicks is the Tom Brady of Gino Smiths.

What?

Okay.

What you say?

B. Knicks is the Tom Brady of Gino Smiths.

I mean you.

You understand that?

I do.

Oh, please enlighten me.

He's a. A great game manager, I think is what you're trying to say.

Ultimately, he's the best one in that spot. He's the best of that class.

Yeah, he had some very good clutch moments during the year. He's a. He's a solid quarterback and I hope he get.

Gets well soon. You don't wish an injury like that on anybody. Especially somebody that's making a Super bowl run.

Especially on a young kneel down in the fourth quarter to set up a field goal. That was crazy. Crazy. I had no idea he was even injured until I saw a Schefter tweet. I was like, what the.

Me neither. I didn't know that either.

On the. On the final Beers drive in the Beers Rams game after that unbelievable touchdown to.

I never seen no like.

Was that commit? Yeah, I think that was command.

It was.

Do you guys think Ben Johnson should have went for two to win the game?

No, I like that. I like to go for two. I don't like the.

That.

Save it. Try to play for ot. Go for it. Right here. Nah, live with it, die with it. Go for it, bro. The Bears have been doing miraculous things in the fourth quarter in overtime the whole season. The whole entire season. I'm. I'mma let my defense go win the game for me at ot.

And the defense played pretty well.

Yeah.

In ot.

Only one problem with that.

Yeah, that boy. That boy's over over there.

And in that horrible weather in Chicago, I don't know if y' all saw Matt Stafford. He looked like he was in the playground.

Yeah, he was.

He was comfortable.

That play across the. Across the field.

So they can play the Detroit. His whole.

That's indoors, though.

I'm.

Oh, that is true.

I'm saying how he threw the ball outside was. He didn't have a care in the world.

Not at all.

Dangerous balls all over the place in the end zone. Same play. Run it again. Again, Same play. Let's try it on the other. He was just flicking that.

Yeah, he was.

Matt. Matt Stafford is different, man. I'm not gonna hold.

You can't wait to see him go against that Seattle defense. That defense is for real. For real.

We gonna see.

Yeah. Yeah. The Rams special teams almost gave that Beers game away again.

Yeah.

Kicking it to their 50. Yeah, we gonna see that. That was scary. But special teams, y' all got to show up against that Seattle team.

They look. For real.

Seattle's for real.

For real. That's Sam Darn Darnold. That Sam Darnold touchdown to Jackson Smith. Yeah, like, corner the end zone. Oh, my God.

But on top of that, just the way they attack the ball on as the offensive line is the defensive line. They just. It's like they're fast and strong and play aggressive as fuck.

When you see. When you see they D line, it's three that look like refrigerators on the D line, like, it's hard as hell to run the ball on them. They get after your quarterback, bro.

It's.

They made Purdy look like y' all saying, homeboy, look. Yeah, they was him up, bro.

I'm rooting for the Rams. I may pick the Seahawks. We'll see how I feel on Friday.

Seahawks winning that game.

Still got Seahawks and pats. I see Seahawks pats, Rams pats. I thought it was going to be Seahawks, Jacksonville, but I see Seahawks pats.

Y' all see the national game? National?

I watched it.

Yeah, that was a real good game.

It was a very good game.

Really, really, really good game.

Game for Indiana.

Of course. Of course you were.

Signetti is the truth. Signetti is the truth. And Mendoza looks like he's the truth, too. There. That was a great game. Miami probably overachieved this year, and they played great. That kid tuned, huh?

Can you say they overachieved? Yeah, they were blown out.

No, they played great. They're a good team. They just weren't.

Indiana look like grown men playing against boys, y'.

All.

Yeah, all season.

They are older players for the most part, so that plays a factor in it. But they run a really good organization over there. 16 and 0.

It don't matter. They gonna have to deal with Carson beck for another three years.

At 20, he's gonna be 35.

Yeah, it's Carson Beck. Yo.

You got classes?

They keep him up. Yo, do you have classes? He said I graduated two years ago. I don't have any classes.

That was crazy.

We ain't leaving school. Hell no, we ain't not leaving no coffee here for nine.

I'm not going. 10 years G wagon on the campus.

G wagon.

Had that as a freshman.

Go ahead, Carson. Yeah, word. Anyway, these people gonna keep hyping up a white quarterback. What's the homeboy name? Frank Mendoza.

Mendoza.

What's his name? You know somebody name. But it's not Frank though.

It ain't Frank. No.

He's nice though.

He's tough. Yeah, he's tough.

This it be the Most hyped up 156 yards a game you ever seen. Boy. Every. Every game is 166 yards, 145 yards, 170 yards. And they make it look like he just out there. Listen, them two.

Them two fourth down drives though. I don't give a. How many yards you got. That's. That's. That's a. That's a dog.

He seems. He.

He seems like a dog and he seems like he's definitely got a high I. Iq.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Super high iq.

We'll see how.

But I was around for. I was around for Burrow and Andrew Luck and just surges. I was around. I was around for some good college runs.

He ain't.

He's not that tier.

They trying to make it seem like that. No, no, no.

He's not there.

Oh, okay.

That's more of a product of the coach and the system that he's built over there to me than the quarterback.

But he.

He's gonna go the first pick to the Raiders. I'm pretty sure.

Sure.

Yeah.

And then the draft is up in the air. Yeah. Congratulations. Congratulations.

Congratulations.

Indiana, man.

The basketball team win. Win some football.

Keeping it on sports. As soon as I find my wire. Not sure if you guys saw but there is an or was an upand cominging YouTube show that was discussing Clarissa Shields when none other than Clarissa Shields herself called in. Allegedly as someone that knows Clarissa Shields, not as herself to defend the name of Clarissa Shields. I know that was confusing but that really is what happened. If you would like to hear it. This.

Hello? Yeah, Mutual TV for me.

Yeah, you on these last talking about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Mutual TV for me. Go ahead. I saw miss your call. Okay, go ahead.

So I'm. I'm sitting up here listening to this live. And I see so much misinformation.

Okay, well, go ahead. Hold up, hold up. Go ahead. I want to hear you.

I want to hear you seeing that this woman owes tax money. Why are y' all lying saying that? Well, her image is ruined.

Well, hold on.

Correct.

Correct that then, because there's a lady who put out some tax records today on her on her site, and we're all like, where'd that come from? Like, Clarissa Shum owes money based on the document she provided. So clear that up for us, because.

I'm glad y' all believe anything bad about Teresa Shields. No, nobody's doing.

Hello.

They're running behind Tasha K. And Lagisha Dean. Believe that.

Clarifying question, because I don't know Clarissa Shields voice very well. Is she disguising her voice right now?

This sounds like Clarissa Shields.

Okay, so she didn't even try.

This is not her with a voice coder. This is not her trying to disguise her. She sounds exactly like Clarissa Shields, which is a large part of why this is hilarious.

And la Geisha Dean believe in anything bad said about corrected shield. Her life has been documented since she was 15 years old.

Hold on, hold on. Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on a second. I'm gonna. I'm gonna let you talk because I'm not rude, and I'm not saying you're being rude now. I don't watch Tasha K. I don't even know who the other person is. But the ladies in the chat, they. They definitely know who they are. So just to let you know.

So. But go ahead.

I want to hear from you, because I'm glad that somebody who.

All right, enough of you, homeboy.

Very, very false. I know. Correcting myself. So therefore. No, it's not fair. Secondly, you're. You are talking about that her image is destroyed. How are you guys on this live, the girl you had just before the saying that, oh, she only made $8 million. Like, 8 million is not a lot of money since. And she has the most lucrative boxing deal in women's boxing. When do we start doing this stuff?

Okay, keep going. So you don't think her image has been destroyed because of the deal?

It's not about. No, she has not done anything for her image to be destroyed. He is a female boxer. What else is he supposed to do?

But what does that mean?

Okay, listen.

This was a long exchange, but by the end of it, she was no longer in third person.

Bad person and be a bad woman. Please explain that to me very, very.

Far I, I was a fan of Clarissa. I've done videos on Clarissa. You go back on my channel saying she should be a gazillionaire. This is effed up. I don't see why this girl doesn't have gazillions of dollars with everything that she's accomplished now in the last two months. That's where it's like I start doing these lives and let people call in and speak. But now you don't follow my channel or you would.

Come on, hurry up, homeboy. I don't want to hear you. We're not here for you.

I just started doing these lives so you probably don't even know who I was.

That's up when it's his show.

But I spoke highly of Clarissa.

I actually got hit to these lies because you're saying that, that my tickets aren't selling for the fight. You're saying that taxes and then you're making up all this stuff about my image and literally in the gym training watch, getting ready for the fight, taking care of, taking care of the family. And then you just keep on coming up with more and more life and then you're letting people come on your channel and spew more life and don't even speak the truth. You don't need. None of y' all have spoke the truth. I get on here lying about, about me every single day. Get on here lying.

This is.

Exaggerating.

Ladies and gentlemen, shout out to Clarissa Shields. First of all, that's hilarious. And the caller, I'm sure her very good friend.

As you can guess people were having a good time with. Oh sure.

As he should. I think this is brilliant.

That's so embarrassing.

Huh?

I think it's absolutely brilliant. I just don't know why she wouldn't just say hey, it's me.

Yeah.

I'm not mad at the calling, but you acting like you're somebody else.

And for got that's what happened. She felt like she didn't want to give them clout. But yeah.

Cuz she shouldn't be calling that show. Yeah, like in, in a celebrity's brain. Yeah, in the celebrities brain. I'm not calling. You say what you want but your words are not getting to me. So I'mma call and be my friend.

Oops. Very close friend.

But just ride the lie out if you want.

That's all I'm saying. You got to be able to ride with the lie if you third person in it got triggered. You can't turn into yourself in the middle of the.

Yeah, forgot right Pap.

Pap, it's time to come downstairs, man. Pap upstairs? Yeah, she. She is downstairs running amok. No, for real.

Every part of that plan is up. Like you call in with your own voice, you know what I'm saying? And then in the middle of conversation, you can't. You can't control your emotions enough to be like. Like, just stay, stay. As the friend hang up. Right? You can even hang up and call back as Clarissa. Like something.

She walking in right now.

Right.

That's wild. But how do you get to the point where you. No disrespect to these men. Who I don't know, but how do you even find people talking about you on a lot A random live podcast on YouTube?

That's a very good question.

Somebody might call you.

Somebody put you on you. Your name search up.

They got some Google.

Yeah.

People search their names.

Yeah.

She too important and too talented to be finding herself on a random.

Listen, the algorithm will put that shit right on Clarissa Shields phone. Hey, some no name nigga is talking.

About you right now live. Here's the phone number.

The algorithm will put somebody with one view talking shit about your ass. Right there is.

And I'm not suggesting this for their wonderful relationship. Shout out to papoose.

But.

But is there anything your girl could do that's so corny or embarrassing that would make you be like, all right, I've had enough.

I would be with my girl doing this.

You would?

Yeah, yeah.

This is great.

You serious?

I'll be right there laughing on the couch. Yeah, get him, babe, get him. Give her a little nudge, you know, that's what. That's what she needs. She just needs someone to nudge her.

Like, no use.

Not you use a fake voice.

Because if your girl is mad enough to do that, you can't be. You can't be against it.

Yeah, you gotta get her back.

Wouldn't give her a voice decoder or something.

That's true.

Give us some game then.

And when your girl got hands like that, it's just like, all right, ma, whatever.

You.

Let's go.

You right.

Yeah, he fucked up. That's a good point.

He wouldn't say it to your face.

Babe, you might gas up.

Would y' all do it? What?

Make your girl stand?

Stop. No. Call into a show pretending to be somebody else or defending you. No, no, no.

I don't even make fake Instagram account. I know people who like to fake Twitter and Instagram to, like, defend themselves online. I understand why people do that. I'm Always too scared of getting caught.

I call up as me. I call up as me. Yeah, it was flip.

What up? Yeah, if I'm a call, I'm calling.

To me, that's better. I've done that before. Where I go, especially like them right wing shows, the radio shows. I'll call in and then, like, confront them on air. They usually hang up or they say, we don't believe it's you and hang up to get out of it. But to me, the cool part is be able to confront them as you like.

Sure.

You ain't got to be nobody else.

Mark home, Yo, Mark.

Lamar Hill.

Exactly.

Mark is home. Calling the right wing news stations.

I've done that at least two or three times.

Oh, my God.

This week when they send the boys out, yo, I might not get out of bed.

Boy, come out door.

Clarissa and Pat, we love you, yo.

We do.

Yo. Do whatever. If that's what your heart leads you to do, go ahead and do it.

No joke. No Clarissa, with all due respect, my sister, if their heart leads you to do that, you should listen to somebody else's heart. Do not call nobody else's YouTube. Do not calling.

You too cool.

You too big. You're too important to be doing that. You should be getting celebrated, not laughed at for like this.

You too.

We love you. Don't do this. Don't follow your heart.

The Internet gets the people, man.

That's it.

Oh, I get it.

Emotions, man. That's it.

And be making up friends, you know? I mean, people do all kinds of. On the Internet, you'd be.

What I'm saying is I'm a fan.

Likewise.

Same.

I support this.

When it pops up on my phone.

You going.

I look at it, is all I'm saying. That's it. That's it. That's all I'm saying.

This is classic. This is better than MF Doom sending out fakes to the fakes to the concert. Jeremiah. This is right up there with that.

Yeah. I can't believe they did that.

That's the greatest ever.

Jeremine sent somebody.

Who was that?

His brother or somebody he sent out there to do the show.

It was somebody.

It was somebody.

Some dude.

What else? What else? What else? What else? Come on, let's get to some social justice.

Okay.

Let's get to social justice. Come on. Wa.

Before we get to social justice, can we do social irritation?

Sure, sure.

There is a video going around of this woman. She's in the restaurant with her baby, who we believe is about a month old.

What restaurant?

I don't know the name of it, but it's like a.

Is it nice?

It wasn't super nice.

Okay.

Just looking at the background. Outbacky but more local.

Okay.

So it's not even like a chain where like. You know what I mean? And they're chilling and the baby's crying. I think race may matter here. So I'm mentioning race. Cause some people may think race matters here. There's a black woman and her baby.

Okay.

White man on the other side.

And his restaurant is where?

I don't know the location.

It is fine. It's fine. I could guess. Go ahead. Yeah, I could guess if you tell.

Us a mental picture.

Right. He asked her to do something about it or basically to leave the restaurant.

This is another patron or he worked there.

He ain't work there. He was a patron.

Okay.

He was a patron. And matter of fact, I got some audio here.

Okay. See it.

She basically said, why don't you text that to me?

Yeah, let me do.

Okay. No.

Why you made that face?

You. Because this is one of those topics where before it's introduced I knew the side that I was on.

You see what I said? Till you heard a shirt.

Let me hear.

Let me hear a little bit more. Then I heard some audio and. And now it's.

Here we go.

All right. Come on. Come on.

Let's hear this.

All right, we're back. So stop screaming.

Beautiful little baby.

Because he has sensitive ears. I know it's loud, but he's an adult.

He can leave.

And he chooses not to leave. He's choosing me to tell me to take my baby out because he has.

I wouldn't let this kid say it's not me.

I didn't do anything.

Anything.

There is nobody.

They seem to be the only two.

People in the restaurant.

Tell me about my child.

Did you not.

You speaking for other people that haven't spoken? And the only reason I'm furious about.

It is because you came to address.

Me about an 8 month old.

You're forcing everyone.

I don't.

I. I'm not forcing any. I didn't tell the baby to talk. I'm happy that she has a voice.

And I'm happy she can speak because there's speak.

That's nonver.

I am grateful for my child to.

Be able to have a voice.

And that's not up to you as an adult to.

To.

To chastise me or to. Or to whoop me because my child is speaking. You can't remove yourself from this restaurant.

No.

You're Disrespectful. You're entitled and you're being privileged right now because there was nothing in this world that you, that, that made you feel like you can come say that to me about my child. And then you're upset that I'm reacting, I'm reacting to your response.

Does this escalate anywhere else or.

I think we can stop there.

Okay, okay, I've heard enough.

And where do you stand?

I think it's some white entitlement where you could tell somebody to take their child and leave because they're crying.

Agreed.

Get the out my face. My. And for anybody that has kids, your kids don't cry at the opportune time. Your kids are crying, your kids are emotional. They're going through whatever they're going through. It's a part of life.

Well, that's why I was going to ask am I, am I the parent or a patron?

They're both patrons.

Joe's like, my baby.

Which one am I their baby? Like, as I give it, as I give an opinion. If I'm a parent, I totally, totally, totally agree. And in real life, I agree, period. But for the sake of, for the sake of the shits, if I'm a patron still, I'm a black person. Right? So. Because. So if somebody baby is.

No.

Does play a part.

My.

It does.

It plays a huge part. It plays a huge part.

Plays a part like, like, like you had asked a question. Off mic. Yo, was she by herself? I knew she was by herself and I knew the dude was white. Yeah, unfortunately, I knew he was white and I knew she was alone.

White people, white people in the past have a penchant for putting their noses in other people's business where they don't belong.

The whole story.

And this is one of those examples for me. If somebody is, is in a restaurant with their eight month old, who the are you to come over here and tell me about the. The noise?

Now he's saying he has sensitive ears and that shrieking.

He was on the other side of the restaurant. It's during the day.

What are we doing, Robin, on airplanes where kids won't stop crying? It ain't the most pleasant thing, but what you gonna do about it? Like, it's a part of life. And again, to anybody that has a child, you, you, you, you, you gotta grin, embarrass it. But you in a public place where you have the option to leave.

Leave.

He looked like he was like waiting for a seat too. He wasn't even like sitting.

Yeah, go Somewhere else.

Another question, another question though my. You can leave if take him out for a minute. Just you as the parent. You're sitting there and your kid is screaming like that. Like embarrassing level screaming. Do you feel compelled to leave?

I've done it before.

Even if nobody asked you to. Just like I don't want to do.

This to these people.

Like, I mean I've done it, I've done it. Yo, yo, you know what? We got to go like this.

This my son, when he was 2, 2 and 3 and wasn't really understanding me, he got to the restaurant and wigged out. Like. Like they get to the restaurant and do. You ain't never even seen them do before.

It's like, oh you acting up cuz we here. What the new Then.

Then it's like yeah man. Then other, other people start staring at you, looking like do you have it under control? You really moving because you look like you don't have it under control. So. So now I'm gonna take it to the bathroom and get some of this control. Once we get in this bathroom time back in once we get in this bathroom.

But again a year old, a year and a half old ain't no control. My like you can't stop that. I was on the airplane, I was on a seven hour flight and my.

Daughters and experienced racism.

No, no. My daughter cut up for about 45 minutes and you be sitting there feeling a little guilty, but there's nothing you could do. They on a plane. It's a little different in that restaurant. If my baby is cutting up like that. That young. You done tried the pacifier, you done tried all these other things. You tried a bottle and the baby just acting out. I. I had left.

Yeah.

Do you have a duty to the other people in the restaurant like a plane, you can't do nothing about certain situations. You can't do nothing about. But just as a member of a community, like you have a duty to be like, yo, if my kids acting a fool, I shouldn't be here. Like if you. Or like knowing like you most people know their kids. Like I know I can't bring my kid to certain places.

Like you the one that should be answering this. I ain't going to lie. Like you you asking. You should be. You should be the answerer.

I would feel the way if somebody came to me and say yo, you need to take that kid out of here, I would feel away. But I also would take my kid.

Out if he were to pull the slingshot out. Hey, Mark, is the shooting People, Right.

Hey, Mark, is there like a respectable way that they can even say anything or no?

Well, that was what I've been thinking about. Is there ever a time where a person should tell anybody something about their kid?

Like, no, I think you gotta eat it. I think as the parent or as the person that brings the noisy kid, then you should have a level of respect for everybody in there. But if you don't have that level of respect, then I still don't think that the people in here can really say much like, yo, when you start talking about children and like that dog, it's a line to be drawn.

Now, how about the restaurant? One more question. How about the restaurant?

How many questions do you have on this topic that we all clearly agree on? Yeah, we agree.

Okay, then I'm done.

Good.

I don't think he agrees.

Marcus.

An officer.

Yeah, I don't see it the same way. That's why I'm asking the question.

But then we should hear how you feel.

I just did. I just said how I feel. But I was asking another question, which is why I think we might disagree. That's why I was going, please. My question was, does the restaurant have a responsibility to do something different? Cause my answer there, I think is where we're gonna disagree. I think the restaurant has a right to be like, yo, this ain't working for our ambiance. This ain't working for what we trying to do. And I don't care if the parent feels. I don't care how the parent feels. I get it. As another person, you can't do that. But as the restaurant, I'm like, yo, you got the rest roll? Nah, cuz, you up the experience for everybody else they have.

That's kind of good.

That message will be sent through, through the town of wherever that restaurant is. So if that's going to work for the restaurant, awesome.

But some ramifications.

Yeah, maybe they won't bring that in that loud as eight months. Who, who's not, who's going, I'm not going there, cuz they don't allow 8 months old in there.

It ain't.

That ain't how that would, that ain't how that would go. In that particular instance. If anybody does have the race part matter, restaurant has a right out of anybody. The restaurant does have a right because we have more than one customer to attend to.

That's what I'm saying.

To have a, like a fiduciary responsibility to everybody in the restaurant as opposed to just one person. Yeah, I, I, I That's what I'm saying.

I just. I. I don't want to belabor, but it seems something. There's something selfish about being like everybody else at some point.

Yeah, but if it were the restaurant owner, then my entire stance would change.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I agree.

He totally has the right.

Yeah, I agree. That's what I said.

But patron needed the smacked out of.

Him, especially to him.

And if you're going to say something to a single black mom whose kid is screaming and how about. Can I help you with something?

Agreed. Is.

Is there any way I could assist Sometimes, boy, bring.

Bring some toys. Like, the restaurant should bring, like, some crayons or some, you know, something to, like.

Yeah.

Light in this situation up.

Yeah.

Or put a sign out to say, I don't want kids at the restaurant.

Are there some things that.

Are there some things that kids just shouldn't be at? Right.

Like the movies, Baby showers.

Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Miracle Watch recently was online. If you don't know her, she's married to homeboy. All the girls was drooling over. Or she's getting married to him. I forgot. His name is Aaron Pierre.

No.

I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know who married to London. The look alike. Anyway. Yeah. Find his name for me. Freeze. But Miracle Watch went online and said, listen, I'm getting married soon this year, and I'm not. I'm doing a non traditional.

Tyler.

I'm doing a.

Thank you.

I'm doing a non traditional wedding. Here are the things that I want done differently at my wedding. And one of those things was, nobody kids.

Yeah, I'm with. Won't be none of mine.

She said there'll be no invitations because they'll be digital only. She's not wasting money on invitations.

Okay. I'm with it.

She said her and her husband will be sleeping together the night before. She understands the tradition of not seeing your. Your room. But she's dubbing that I'm sleeping with mines. That she said, I'm not doing any bridesmaids.

Okay.

I'm not doing the traditional bridesmaids where they all walk down the aisle and there's a bunch of us. I'll pick a few of y', all. And it ain't gonna be a bunch and we ain't gonna do too much. Okay. She says she's not doing a wedding cake. No wedding cake. I ain't gonna hold you. Let me just finish, okay? She said no wedding cake. Sound like something to me, don't wanna do that. She said she's not doing cape. A cape on her vest. Train on. On her wedding gown. She said she's not doing that.

No honeymoon either, right?

I don't think she said anything about the honeymoon. We ain't gonna do no liquor. She said she was still deciding on if there would be a videographer.

Nah.

Y' all got phones or not?

We could.

My little cousin good with the tick tock. And I hate to tell you, Alexa is a monster dj. Oh, I can hear what this is.

Oh, and she said.

And she said. Oh, she said no first look for her. She's not doing any of that. And she said no bouquet toss.

I said what? I said no bouquet. Flowers cost.

This wedding must be free, right?

This a kickback, Yo. I'm keeping them.

Yo.

I'm really on that pop Popeyes flow, you know, chicken sales back.

So honestly, your honest opinions on. On this is cost cutting.

She's cutting.

I'm not going to this wedding.

Is that homeboy. Homeboy gave her 20 grand and was like, figure it out.

20, 25,000, actually.

We don't even need a venue for.

We can go to the justice of.

The peace and just sign this.

It sound like they just want to go to city hall and have a little party out there. A kickback.

Orange park when the moon is right.

Oh.

When the sun hit 45 degrees.

You only got about 12 minutes, though. We gotta make this shit count. I do. You do you.

Fuck is you talking about?

I'm not mad at a non traditional wedding. I just think this is not a wedding.

It's pretty extreme.

This is not a wedding. Yeah, it's pretty extreme.

Hang out.

We know what that is.

It's pretty extreme. I mean, that's the beautiful thing about a wedding. You can make it however the fuck.

You want it to be, as long as it's special to y'.

All.

If I were friends with either of.

Them, though, I would be encouraging.

That's the. But that's the first thing I said when, When. When I read all of this or I heard her say all of this. I was like, if I were her people, I'm not going to his wedding.

No, I would.

If I were his people, I'm not going to his wedding.

I would.

No way. On God's green.

I'm not going to that. We making jokes.

I'm not going to that.

I'm not dressing up.

What if it's definitely.

What if the stock is rising? What if somebody thinks I'm not going that way?

At all.

Stock ain't rising with a wetting like that.

That's a good point. I can actually tell you what you.

Stock doing with this way.

The I want to get away from.

I can tell you where you're stock.

You got what you have jerk chicken there.

Honestly, to be all big mama selling plates, man. We good. I honestly. I really. I really respect that. That, that.

That wedding.

Let me talk, please.

You married already.

You got married.

He did this already.

She got. I ain't inviting no.

Yo, can somebody just talk?

Sorry.

Go ahead.

She has a image that's out in the world, right, of being a certain way. I think that's kind of dope that she would look this the man I want to marry. He might not have the utmost amount of money and this is all we can afford. I just. Yeah, I'm just happy to be with him.

I thought her fathers would take.

I'm saying, like her bread could come his two.

I thought the bride's father supposed to take cover the wedding, right, bro?

Historically, yeah.

Good luck.

Traditional.

Yeah. Dowry.

Good luck with that. They gotta know him.

Oh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I think even if I were.

Gonna have this wedding, I wouldn't go on the Internet and.

Or. Or I'm trying to get ahead of it.

Yeah, that's what it is.

I might be trying to get ahead. Trying to get ahead of it. Come out based on her image, bro.

But it's never coming out. If I'm having this wedding. You can't have a phone and come. Ain't nobody gonna have a phone leak.

Leave.

She just said she might not have a photograph.

Are gonna leave and be like nobody.

If my wedding.

That wedding. Yo, let me tell you what they.

This wedding sound like it's gonna be in a barn. And if my wedding is in a.

Barn, barns can be kind of fly bar. I think you're looking for a pavilion.

Or.

Looking like park's backyard. That might be all right. A yard that is in the park again, I think. I think it's a lack of living room. If I had to judge, but I. I'm really happy that they doing that.

I ain't worried about ice. Ain't gonna spare no expense.

Boy.

Like this ain't getting this. Listen, if you asking me, we spending too much time on this. I don't have to worry about this. I just ain't gonna spare no expense.

We good.

I just said.

Okay.

Okay.

But you said no kids, that's all.

Yeah, no kids. No kids are coming to the wedding.

No kids at all.

No, we we encourage people not.

You have kids.

They won't be at the wedding.

Your kids will not. You and your girl's kids will not be at yalls wedding if you decide to have one.

Your wedding or your reception? The kids are not going to be at the reception.

Oh, they'll be at the wedding party.

I was about to say you.

They'll be at the wedding. Cuz you know they got a woman.

I bet you them kids is at their wedding. I do not believe. Why don't I believe that? And then you going to go home to the kids.

Yeah, I see.

Like with a nanny.

I promise y'.

All.

We've had this discussion. I promise you.

I believe Ice.

So you've already had to talk.

Yeah.

Let's go.

Freeze.

So. So Malcolm's gonna be the only one there.

No, he's not. No, he can't come.

I'm telling you right now. He got his own.

Security. Got his picture. You see that one?

No.

How'd that talk come up?

Oh, man. This here special because I.

No. Cause I didn't hear you say that. You once you said you had already had it. That's mad mature. You had it.

We've had all this responsible.

But how that even come up?

We've had all the talks.

Buddy.

How that even.

Because you have to know how she wants her engagement, how she wants to propose. You have to know these things. The wedding is for her.

That's right.

So you have to know all the things that she wants.

Well, it's for y', all, but.

No, it's for her.

I just show up.

I pay for it and show off.

Tell that breeze.

Kind of, but. Yeah, kind of, but. But it's for you, too.

Me and Lex is coming to that, too. I dare you. Put Lex out your wedding. You going to put Lex out.

Some people really bring their kid. People be mad. Some people really bring kids when you ask them not to.

Okay.

You going ask.

You going to turn them around.

It's going to be joints there. That's going to let me know if I want the kids there. It's going to be joints there.

Yes, it'll be joints there, sir.

Let's go, Malcolm H home. We Malcolm. And now. Hey, it's time to hit that Toso Loco after that Ice wedding, boy. Yeah, we in that Toso Locos.

You come to this deep free.

Toso Loco.

Toso Locos stupid. Yo, nigga, ar going to do the toast at Freeze wedding.

For sure.

I got this exclusive verse that I wrote. Oh, man. Oh, man. All right. On to more. Speaking of wedding. Speaking of weddings. Speaking of weddings. On to more social injustice. Yes, there was a lady in Florida who booked an event space to get married.

Okay, Congrats.

She paid 7, 600 deposit.

She paid. Paid a deposit, paid her money, had the wedding day. Unfortunately, her groom passed away. Oh, man. Had a heart attack. Yeah. 42 years old, May rest in peace. Super young, super young again. Get all that shit checked out. Health is wealth. Check on it. It is important. When the lady called the event space to try and get a refund on her money, the event space told her, no, we are not refunding this money. And why don't you throw a memorial? A memorial?

I mean, you got the space already, so let it go to waste. That's cruel.

Maybe here's one. The room would be a little more diverse, provided on. Let's see how we all feel.

What, what I mean, this is why you need. This is why people need insurance, right? If you don't have insurance, I mean these companies, in the contract that you sign, they tell you that in case of any event, anything covered, we're not responsible for.

You know, they sign up giving you your refund, you sign that because now.

Oh, come on.

It's unfortunate that you know the gush.

Nah, it's unfortunate he put the deep breath before.

Nah, it's unfortunate that homeboy passed away.

He dude is like, he know them.

This is bad.

You want a business out.

I think I know where you're going. It's unfortunate that homeboy passed away, but we could have had mad other people want to book that date and we gave that date away exclusively to you. We might can't never recoup that bread, so.

And on top of that, they start to pay for flowers.

From a business perspective, we might have already allocated certain resources for that particular date.

Do we know how close the wedding was to the very untimely passing May.

It's going to be in May this year.

But when will he pass?

A couple of days last week.

Oh, okay.

So six months out. Basically.

I think that the, the venue could be. Listen, we're going to try to rent this out, but the event that we don't rent this out, the deposit, unfortunately, that's. That's what they.

That's what I think about. That's what I think.

I think whatever they spent on the third party vendors.

A lot of words, y' all on the events, it's a lot of words for what? It's what it sounds like, I could be wrong is that y' all are on the side of the event space.

No, no, I. I'm just trying to find a happy medium. So being at the event is five months away, I think the.

The.

The particular. Particular venue might be able to find somebody else for that date now if it was a month from now. And again, we've already allocated all our. Yo, we both running a business. And let's be clear, motherfuckers lie nowadays and be like, yo, this happened, that happened. We've all been like, yo, that's what I was on my grandma.

You can provide a death certificate.

You can prove somebody dead.

I know you could provide a what certificate? You know how good with these nuggets.

Stop.

This is the tech age play. Whole pamphlet flyer and all that for $7,600.

And for 7,600, I'll bring you to the funeral home and show them to you.

There he is.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm on the side of just doing good business, and I think that there's a way to conduct. What if the event space ain't that popular? And y' all saying, I got five months, I could book it. But what if ain't nobody booked in a minute.

Anyway, I think human decency has to play in here a little bit. But I also understand the business side. So to me, to your happy medium point, if as a business, it's very rare if you rent out wedding space that the groom's gonna die. So I don't think it's crazy to have a policy that if the groom dies or the bride dies, you get your money back. I think that's a good, humane policy to have. It's not gonna hurt your business that often if the person dies. I do think, though, that any cost that gets spent out, you can deduct from that.

Yeah.

So you shouldn't be able to profit off the death. But yeah, if I already spent money for a cater. Because the problem is wedding venues do different things. Some are just the hall. Sometimes they're like the contractor and they take care of other things. So I may have already spent money on food or flowers or some other thing. I shouldn't lose money because your groom died. So I think. But I shouldn't make money off of it.

Let me ask you a question.

Every other vendor returned the money with the exception of the event space.

Right. And that's what I'm saying. But I don't know if.

Oh, so that kind of.

No, huh? The event space is unique because all the other vendors, like, if you're doing flowers. They don't start the flowers for a wedding in May, in January.

Right, right.

If you starting to cook the flower food. We don't cook the food in January for a wedding in May. So the photographer, all those other. But you book space, they might not be time sensitive. The space might have turned down 17 other that wanted to rent the space.

Well, if that's the case and I think that you could find someone else.

To take that and I said that unless you do weddings and nobody's booking a wedding three months out.

If you have a thriving event space business, it would behoove you to give me my little bit of monies. I'm asking for back act because it's not going to be no event space.

It's going to be event in your space.

That's it.

That's it.

This will be the last event thrown at this.

The owner put. The owner put $500 in her GoFundMe.

The owner did that.

You know, he said that he did that. Not on behalf of his business. He did that. You know, that was kind of him out of his.

Out of the 76 that he know.

And the guy passed away in November. Thank you shout out for correcting me. November.

The guy passed.

So he got a six month lead.

I was gonna tell you that.

That's almost antagonizing when you do that now.

Yeah, don't tell me.

Yeah, don't do that now. Let me just ask y' all one question. If the event space offered some level of an insurance and you didn't take.

It.

Which a lot of places do. Hey, you want to take, you want to take this additional insurance. But I'm. But again, people want to save money. So we're going to offer you this additional insurance. You choose not to take it. You click off, yo, I deny I don't want this. And this happens.

You can always tell when a worked at an insurance company. Right? Right. Can't you always tell when A put his. I used to work it Insurance, all of that though.

You have tickets, you go about, you buy something off Ticketmaster. There's that box at the bottom that say do you want to purchase insurance for these tickets? You buy flight tickets. Same thing. That's true. So now I'm asking y', all, do y'.

All.

If that were an option and that person said no, do we still feel the same way on some morally shit?

I feel the same way. I think it's good. I think it's bad business to profit off somebody's death. I think Again, if I took a loss, I should be able to reimburse myself to the extent of my loss. But I'm not gonna sit there and just keep your 7,600. All of it just because you didn't check a box when your husband died. And I'm in the wedding business. I also think just as. What do you call it, like a branding or reputational thing is bad.

It is.

You don't want to be known as the people who didn't give a refund back when the groom died had a, had a heart attack.

Yeah, it's not worth it. Not over 7, 600.

Yeah, it's funny business, but it's, it's sticky. I think just the time plays a major factor for me. So if my was booming, I know I could re rent the space for that particular weekend. I'll give them their money back. But if it, if it was a shorter time, I would, I would have some reservations. I might give them half their money back.

Word. And the problem with the end, because.

My bad to your point, you are essentially losing at that point. Yeah, if I turned down other people, I lost money.

Yeah, that's it.

So that is a thing.

And I think opportunity cost is a real thing. But somebody just died. You got to eat that. But if, but I'm. But if I paid the vendor for you. If I paid a vendor for you, I'm not eating that.

Humanity matters.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you got. And it's just good business. I think the problem with the Internet is you don't get encouraged to think about the business side of it. And as a business owner, I do understand that we just make the wedding venue the monster. Like look at these fucked up people that wouldn't get his lady her money back. And most of the people who are co signing that have never had to run a business business or put any money out for anything in their lives.

Yeah, yeah. Rest in peace, home boy. That's. That's. And my prayers, my prayers are with.

The, the, the widow.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. That's horrible. Who wants to go through that.

Speaking.

When Big Freeze booked the day they ain't ask for no refund.

Big Freeze going to get the.

I'm letting you know that when Big Freeze say this is the date and he go get the event space and hit Arsenal snow. Yo, that's the date that it's happening.

When Big Joe get in this event space.

Reverse, reverse.

Keep Big freezing, Big freezing.

When Big Joe getting big get that space. Yeah, that's when it's Happening.

Look at Big Joe getting the event space.

I don't think I'm doing an event space.

What you.

What you doing in there?

Where are you doing a lot of questions.

We'll just answer the win part then. I don't want us to get all.

For the audience. If you wonder why I'm not answering, my lady is sitting right behind me. I want that to be the most special day in her entire life. I don't want it to just be blown on some podcast. Right, Exactly. I don't want that on some podcast.

For a guy with bad memories.

I don't want that to just be.

That was well done. That's all he could do. That was well done. That's the best move you can make.

Was rare audience. My lady is in, bro. That should be one of the best days of her life, man.

I agree.

I'm not making content.

So you should be more inclined to say when that day is going to come true.

You're gonna be more inclined to let us know if you married now or not. But the streets keep saying things. The streets are saying things.

They're not in my top 15.

Oh, shit.

There you go.

So what that mean? Don't believe the streets when it come to you.

I wouldn't.

I do.

You would. Messy mark.

So you're saying you're not married yet?

No, I'm not married.

There you heard it.

If I was married, I wouldn't say I was married.

Huh. Remember where you heard it first?

If I was you, you said what?

If I was you, I wouldn't.

When What?

Tell these. And he got married.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Is married as hell. Is you married?

If I was married, he would have.

Was with.

No, you wouldn't. And I don't want to censor you. You're married now.

Damn sure would have invite us.

We wouldn't know. We wouldn't be invited.

Wouldn't know I was married.

No, I believe.

How would we know?

How would we know?

He'll tell y'. All. He ain't hiding.

Don't even show your hands.

I got a real question for you. That ass on this point. So if. When you get married, you going to come here and say, yo, guys, I got. I want to share something with y'.

All.

I got married.

He would have to. We. We ain't going to see the bride.

I'll be like, yo, I got married.

Yeah.

Like here say, yo, we like, yo, what y' all doing this weekend? I'm doing some. I'm walking down this aisle real quick. Oh, yeah, I'm. I'm going to get married Saturday.

Yeah.

Friday at 7 probably.

We ring on the chain. What you talking about?

And you wear the ring.

Of course. Okay.

Are you doing traditional tux? You and ice? I'm asking y', all, are y' all doing traditional tux?

I don't know.

Or y' all putting some rhinestones on your.

Some icy looking, some snow, saying it's all types of.

I know, I know, I know what you said.

That's flying tuxes.

If I got married, it'd probably be a destination way.

So shorts, short tuck suit, wherever she's from.

Portugal.

I don't know. Nah, it'd be cold over there sometime. I would just do whatever. I'll figure it out.

Let these niggas know how you got the budget together.

Yeah, he got the budget together.

He was trying to eliminate some debt. But you still gotta put that budget to the side.

He got it.

Look, he tight now. Look, look, he tight now. Look, he tighten the bank. Nigga married already.

I don't even know why you act asking them questions.

He is. I think that's so corny that you won't just come on and say that you married. All jokes are celebrating, I promise you. We think that.

I'm not even trying to be funny. I'm not potting.

We not potting.

I think you're married. And I think that we would never know.

I don't think I've known you forever.

I've never even met the young lady. You can say whatever you wish. I'm not married.

Okay, I believe ish that he's not married. But I also believe that if you were, you wouldn't tell us.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Both things can be true.

Yeah, I think both are true.

I don't think you're keeping it from us personally.

Personally.

I'm his man, so. I mean, I roll n. Yeah, come on. Come on. He ain't married yet. Don't be. Don't be stupid. Y' all out there. I hate when y' all do that.

For you doing the traditional tux and.

Anyone going to freeze.

No, I can hear both their brains.

I hear.

But you know why I don't with this room? I hear both of them yalls quiet. Yalls quiet. Says y' all agree with me, but y' all wait for me to say it.

It's that other awkward and I'm not.

Going to say it.

Say what?

Free, what you was thinking.

I wasn't thinking of him.

Come on, have one. But he's my baby girl. Halloween, Halloween, Halloween, Halloween. Yeah. Freeze. Grab on some turquoise glitter.

That's why I knew. I thought that's something different. No, I know it's brains. I'm gonna keep it a buck. You know what I thought y' all brain was saying?

What?

She was gonna dress me.

Well, that's part of it. That's what I thought y' all thought. That was a given over there.

That wasn't controversial.

You ain't picking your own wedding outfit with missing piece around. Got Mr. Piece. Don't play with him. All right, we can move on from this. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that the wedding conversation gets everybody so uncomfortable around here.

That's why you pivoted, right? You know why? It was nice.

I didn't want to call you out.

In the middle of the pivot cuz we was pot.

Kevin Mck.

You reversed it.

Hakeem.

Elijah.

Elijah.

Joa.

You reversed it.

We were on you and you reversed and you put the uno reverse. Now you want to move on. It's a lot of questions.

17.

Yeah, it's a lot of questions that we willing to know and we want to know, but we going to respect.

I mean, if you ask me in private, I'll confide in you. All of y' all are my friends. I plan on inviting you when that magic day comes. What the.

That help you with your memory?

Whatever that. I would like that day to come soon. My parents don't have forever. I mean, you know why you had.

To bring it out.

Now.

You right.

My. My parents.

Look at.

Freeze. You got to learn.

You know what we do? We don't silence you.

Exactly.

You think I silence y'?

All? Yes.

Freeze. You going to ask her dad when it's time. No, you got to do really, though.

I'm the daddy now. Now free you.

You going to ask her dad?

Ish.

Of course. O. How tall is he?

5 7.

Oh, chump him off.

That's a yes.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, Pops. Y show up. Hey, hey, hey, little man. I'm gonna cover everything. Bring some soda if you can, but you're doing it. I got your daughter from. From this point on. Yo, why the chick you want to marry their dad's girl? So short. Like I told Freeze. And I'm done. We leaving the mar. Move on. Move on, please. I meant one time I engaged. I try to do funny. I know.

I promise you funny.

It.

I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. Other topics.

We gotta do it now.

No, we have to.

Come on.

We have to. I can't do that. How tall is your lady's dad?

My lady's dad is deceased.

See, you set us up for that.

Shout out to my baby.

Y' all are for you. You're a scoundrel.

Are you crazy?

What?

You're a scoundrel, bro.

My girl's dad's deceased. I believe so.

Did you ask. Did you ask your.

No.

Okay.

No. Got you, Mark.

The answer is yes.

Okay.

Mom's a brother to your question.

Thank you. I love you, Ice. Sometime you don't even want to understand.

I got you, bro.

So probably time to move on. Nike just released a new sneaker. Did y' all see this?

I did not.

Oh, my God. Yes.

Is this the one you get for Joe?

No.

Hell no. Ain't Nike stocking the trash? It's all for Nike is wearing the.

The Walmart Abus and them just ain't bad.

The 20 abs. I'm not going. I thought about it too. They not bad that I thought about it. We could do that after 45. You could do it.

You could. Of course do it before 45.

Be honest. 20 aviars. Do you remember Avia's mark?

Yeah.

So. So Walmart. Walmart has a pair of Avias that they not bad.

They look. They resemble like all of the AS6 and soccer knees that been out. The shit's not bad.

And the kids is rocking them now.

But anyway, I love when he rock styles. It don't cost a lot.

So Nike. Who knows what Nike's doing. I didn't see any Nike sneaker.

LeBron has a new sneaker out. It's. What is it called?

I can find a name, but.

Go ahead.

I'll find a name, but they have a new sneaker out. The color is turquoise flop sevens. It's. It's. It's in honor of Martin Luther King Day. They made a. They made a. A sneaker that is the color turquoise.

It's the Honor the King.

It's called the Honor the King. And basically it's the color of the sign of the Lorraine Motel.

Huh.

Which is the hotel where Martin Luther King was assassinated.

No, he.

He's.

He's dead serious.

So they. Yeah, so that's what they. So the idea was they wanted to commemorate Dr. King in a special way. So they made a sneaker that was the color of the hotel where he was killed.

This is disgusting.

And you know LeBron's on it. His team. I don't know if his team was involved in the design of it, but they obviously supported it and advanced it. This is causing some outrage on the Internet. I've seen some people say they're doing their best to honor Dr. King and they're trying to be creative. I heard other people say, which is my position. This is fucked up and inconsiderate and it's the wrong way to honor Dr. King even if you have good intentions.

Did they include that like in the marketing? Like this is why we picked this color?

Yeah. The color is literally. I mean if you look at the.

Lorraine Motel, it literally says the pair resembles Martin Luther King Jr. And draws inspiration from the historic Lorraine Motel, the site of the important civil rights activist Assassination Nation. The location is now home to the National Civil Rights Museum.

But yeah, wow.

They let it be known in the. In the presser.

This is horrible.

This is part of what I think about why Nike is just kind of fast tracking themselves to a level of obsolete that I've never seen in my life, in my lifetime.

I never thought it would happen.

And losing the fat, of course, growing up right. How could you.

You never imagine.

But if you big part of that is what they do for themselves, branding wise, outside of the star athlete.

I agree with you,ousand percent.

Like they don't do themselves any favor. Like the Nike commercials are great when. With all the athletes and the Olympics and those shits are great. And their brand deals when they are paired with LeBron or Jordan, anything outside of that, that large sports personality, it's like really soulless, like bland, like no frills. Almost level. It's becoming.

Because it'd be looking like. Like they be on the right side of a lot of shit. Like when something go on, they jump on with. I remember, you know, the Asia Wilson thing. You know, they jumped on right away. It always looks like Nike make the right decision on some.

With the athletes though.

With the athletes, I think that's falling same. If you really want to be honest. He has not popped. It hasn't been a Nike that had us like oh in a very, very long time. That's why they keep recreating Jordans and Air Maxes and Air Force ones. They just basically keep running to the well reproducing. Yeah.

They compound the same mistake. Their treatment of Kyrie.

Yeah.

Do you know Phil Knight is one of the biggest Republican donors of all that shit. Like even on the political side they might not be as vocal, but they have not been the most US friendly.

They haven't been on the right side of culture in recent years.

And we can make some money off you niggas. We with it. But I don't think they are parties to the people.

See, I don't even think it's about that because I think there's a tone deafness to this because Republicans love him to Martin Luther King.

King.

Like, everybody loves Martin Luther King. Like, nobody doesn't fuck with him. So I think Republicans would be embarrassed to have a sneaker that makes fun of or mocks or disrespects Dr. King's legacy. I think they just were tone deaf. I don't think they thought about it.

I think they mocked it.

But there's another piece to this. Unlike a lot of companies where there's not diversity in the boardroom, there's a lot of diversity in Nike design. There's a lot of diversity in the people who made this decision. These are probably black people who had a big voice in this. I think they just got this shit wrong.

I think so, too. I think because even now, the. The spot is a civil rights museum now. So in their minds, it's. Even though it's known for this, it's still something positive. I was positive today.

That's what I'm saying.

So, yeah, let's honor that.

I think they're proud of it. Yeah. I think the press release out like, look what we. Look at this shit we did.

They rolled it out bad. If that's the case, they rolled that out horribly.

I. I think of all the things you could celebrate Martin Luther King for, are all the moments you could commemorate a few of him. Pick one where he get I have a dream speech. Pick one where he let a bus boycott. Don't pick the moment where his assassins won. It's just weird. And for somebody who died, remember, he's in.

That's a good point.

Memphis fighting for sanitation workers, fighting for workers rights. I mean, it's a weird thing to make money off of the death of a moment like that. To me, it's just a very weird, very, very weird thing.

Listen, I always challenged white people in these positions of power to just run it by black.

Yeah.

And that's what I'm saying. I think the black side of it, I think.

Yeah, yeah. But I would need confirmation on that before I spoke to it. 1 and 2. Oftentimes black people are in these situations without a voice.

Which black. And number three, which black people and dog blind. There's a lot of black people that are disconnected from black culture.

Dog.

And is that. That don't necessarily make you. You're right home team. And Brian LeBron is a black. LeBron is a brand conscious black. So you think that he's not going to sit there and have a team of people, somebody, some blacks was.

Somebody signed off on this and thought.

This was the move. It ain't like I don't think this is as tone deaf as y' all try to paint it out to be.

Well, the LeBron part of it's interesting and I don't blame LeBron for the design or the idea. I'm sure somebody on his team said this is great to your point. But like you said, for somebody who, who wants to be an international superstar and beloved by everybody, this is a bizarre move. If I'm him, I'm pissed at somebody on my team who said this is the one.

If I'm LeBron, I would be pissed. One, two. I'm not going to fall for the brand pitch of LeBron is involved in every decision made. Like, I, I don't know that I'm.

I'm not even saying that he's involved in it, but the fact that he, you. He puts these sneakers on and they say, yo, this is what they do.

This is the.

Yeah, this is your sneaker.

The king being in public reading the first page of 11 different books.

I understand.

So that's different from selling a product. It's odd except the being like if.

You signed a sneaker deal and they said, do you hear the Air Autobahns?

Right.

We're going to show you the room where Malcolm X was killed in Autobahn bomb. Instinctively you would say something that would be a no.

Or if they signed you, assigned you, gave you a sneaker, it said, this is the air Autobahn. It don't even say about where he was killed or nothing. We doing this to honor Malcolm X. You would ask, you would look at. Just get some more information on that before you just threw a sneaker on your foot.

LeBron's Carfax in terms of using his voice in pro black situations, he has enough of it for me. So I just can't rush to put this on him or anybody that he has in place. I'm gonna assume that if he heard it or if he saw it and saw the correlation that was going on, that he would stop it. I'm just assuming that. I don't know.

I would think so.

That's fair.

Yeah. Bad move. I'm. I was a little irritated at some of the. Some NBA players were speaking out against those of us who voiced our dis. Dismay. I saw Nick Young, Nick Nick Young, Swaggy P. Say shut the F up to Dave Dennis Jr. Who said, this is wrong. This is wrong. He just said, shut the F up. Dave Den Dennis Jr. Is the son of Dave Dennis Sr. Who was the organizer of corps, one of the Freedom Riders. Basically somebody who damn near died for civil rights, marched through the south and organized. So there's a tone. I think part of it is just us not having a sense of history, because to even, like, tell people to be quiet who have every right to be speaking. Exactly. Says a lot about the disconnect. That's why I don't think they were like, forget Dr. King. I just think we need to know more about our history.

I agree with that.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. You want to talk about Mr. Tendonism.

Who know that's the dude with the ribs, right?

Mr. Tendonism is the. Is the older black gentleman who is online and has been viral recently for showing. Showcasing the meat falling off the bone.

Oh, okay. On IG and all that.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tenderism. Thought you renamed yourself.

That was funny. You could be Mr. Gin.

Is.

He got.

He got that. He got.

Don't spend the next three hours.

No.

You got to acknowledge a great shot when it's there. I thought you renamed yourself.

No problem.

Hinder you.

Are.

You good? Don't.

Don't. That was too good of a joke. My joke to myself, bro.

You never heard Mr. Tenderism. Mr. Tenderism. That is his name. He's coined this phrase. He's all over the place. The meat does look good. It does. It does fall. It does fall off the bone. This story began getting traction. Well, it's all over the place now, but Keith Lee Jordan first. Jordan went over there first. Michael Jordan No. Jordan pool.

No, I'm asking.

Michael.

You just threw me over Michael Jordan. Oh, Jordan went over there.

Who the is Jordan Jordan? Food taster dude that is online?

I don't know.

The younger dude. He's got skits with Method man and Michael B. Jordan and just anybody. But he went over there first taste of food. Keith Lee then went over there, raided the food. That's when it gained traction. Keith Lee was trying to leave a tip for the older black man.

$4,000.

Four or $5,000. I thought it was five, but four or $5,000. He tried to leave a tip. He went to the. To the. To the front. They told him that the dude was unavailable. He was doing a podcast. You can't leave the tip for him. Keith Lee then offered to leave the tip for them. For them to spread it throughout the employers. Homeboy said no. Homeboy's a white dude, by the way.

Okay, okay.

Tenderoni, no, no, no. Is an older black man.

Okay.

But the business owner is a white man. Is a white man. So let's see, let's see, let's see. So then they started doing all these get out type videos saying that the white dude was holding Mr. Tenderism hostage and that he wouldn't let him, let him be sick, wouldn't let him leave. Then they said that the white man was jealous of all the attention that Mr. Tenderism was getting. And now the. The latest is that the white man has trademarked tenderism.

Oh shit.

The white man and Mr. Tenderism did a. After Keith Lee did that, they spoke out and you know, Mr. Tenderism was defending the owner saying that know, we, we have an understanding, like the business is good, you know, Cuz a lot of people were upset. They thought that, they thought that Mr. Tenderism owned or the business belonged to him.

Right?

So now when they found out that the white man is the owner and.

When you just, you just a face.

It presents like a black owned business. Like when you see, when, when you see the older gentleman, see the meat and his comfort food, you would you assume that it's a black owned business?

Yeah, yeah.

Like, like a soul food spot that's owned and you gonna patronize it because the older black gentleman, right?

That's how they do word he's added to.

The business has been huge and it's.

Very visible to a lot of people.

But then at the end of the.

Day, it shortchanges so many other people who built this business, including this guy.

Who when I met him had absolutely zero.

Wait, you lied?

Wow.

That's not the owner talking.

That is the owner. He's in the video with Mr. Tender. Business has been huge and it's very visible to us.

This video makes it worse. But then at the end of the.

Day, it short changes so many other.

People who built this business, including this.

Guy who when I met him had absolutely zero.

Okay? So now why this is a big deal is because pre pandemic, this, this smokehouse was a coffee shop, okay? A struggling coffee shop. And then the older gentleman went there one day as a customer and then conversations were had and then it was his idea for them to start selling smokehouse shit ribs.

Yeah.

So then they started selling and this is now through the pandemic, coffee and ribs and shit.

Okay.

The ribs took off. Right now it's not a coffee shop.

Of Course anymore, we're going over here with a hot coffee.

It's solo ribs, Smokehouse. That's it. Being promoted by this. This elder black gentleman who people don't feel like is being fairly compensated because he is the one that got this restaurant on and popping. He's the one that has lines around the block. This restaurant has lines around the block.

We talked about this because we was like, if we go out there, we gotta go check him out because this look good.

Yeah.

On.

On the videos.

And I just think. I just thought it was important conversation to have when it comes to the protection of ip.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what it sounds like. But if you don't know what IP is and you're older gentleman, you don't even know it. Need to be protected. It ain't even older gentlemen. You just don't know what IP is. And you come to somebody with an idea and they are. They have a business mind. It happens every day, all day. And that person ends up getting taken advantage of, unfortunately. Is it any different than the label putting up the money and now they own your mask? Investors the same way. Homeboy just clearly said, this gentleman didn't have any money. I bought something to the table. And so now he didn't have a pot to pee in. He's eating now. The gentleman might be getting compensated short term, but maybe not long term. I don't see it as any different.

I mean, some people are fine with just being in a position. That's true.

Especially if you ain't happy. I'm not.

That's a fact. Yeah.

Some people are just comfortable being in that position. You know, let him do all the hard work. I'm not saying that the white man is doing all the hard work, but I could do the cook, that I'm.

I could do the cooking. This is what I do.

This is what I'll do. Let him do all the business and whatever he gives me, I'm fine with it. Some people are comfortable in that position.

I'm just happy. People are marveling at myself.

A lot of people don't want to identify that. There's a lot of these TikTok and Instagram lawyers and they want to get involved a lot. But comfortability is something that we have to identify.

Yeah, OG might be cool. Like OG is on all the recent vids. Look, looking cool and happy. He's saying, you my man. I love you. We done did this together. We came a long way. That's what OG is saying.

But that's what happens is if Somebody get in your ear and start telling you what you should be getting and what you should own and what you should do. And then you sitting there like, oh, word, I'm getting played. I'm getting robbed. Or that seed get planted, and the next thing you know, they done divided y'.

All.

Now you sitting there saying that white man robbed you. We see the mic, man might have robbed you.

White man did rob.

How Problem? You may not know trademarking the stuff. No, yo, let's say that I. I don't want to call it a robbery, because it could be. It could be mutually agreed upon, but a robbery.

When you. When you say robbery, though, do you mean like he cheated him? Like, it's like it. Like he broke the rules? Or you just saying he. He took advantage of him?

I'm. I'm saying. And again, I agree with Flip. That OG could be the happiest in the world. Now I'm just speaking about me and that position. Yeah. If I change your entire business, there's a different talk that needs to be had.

Yeah, but if.

If your business changes from a coffee shop to a smoke shop. I mean, a smokehouse. Yeah, yeah. No, that's a. That's a whole new conversation before we get to the trademark conversation, to Flip's point.

And.

And on top of that, when you trademark some. Something you can put. He could put his name down.

Well, people have their suspicions because you wouldn't even let Keith Lee give him that money. You wouldn't walk to the back, say, hey, Keith Lee is here. World famous Keith Lee wants to give you four or five grand. He wouldn't let him. So that's why suspicions are conversation.

Probably don't even get had. Had he taken the tip. Had he taken the tip and divvied it up amongst all of the workers, then it would have been no reason for suspicion. What if he. Oh, well, yeah, that part. Divvying it up.

Yeah.

Like, I'm like, what if he really wasn't there? Like, you can't give this a tip. He's not here. We got something we doing here. That's some social. You could tip a. When they ain't there.

Yeah, you can.

And what if you put your white ass face there as the. As the brand person for the smokehouse in Los Angeles?

Right. Nobody want that.

Yeah, that may work in Texas.

I agree. I. I mean, I think it's.

It's.

It's a.

It's a yes. If. If you sign into a contract, contractual agreement with somebody and that person is not Knowledgeable legal and moral are two. Totally.

That's what I was asking. The truth.

So you could be on the legal side of things. If you sign a contract and says, yo, your name is Parks. We gonna make some shit. And I'm giving Parks fucking a dollar off of every thousand dollars.

Right.

Parks might be happy because he didn't have a dollar before. That still don't make the street morally Right. Like, once we blow up, I think you need to come back to the table, and Parks need to start getting 50 cent of every dollar or 30 cent every dollar, whatever the case may be. I just think that you should start treating people in a different way. I stand by that all the time. Y' all say I'm crazy when I say no, you know, I'm not saying you crazy. I just say that it's. It's not typically applied in today's business.

World, and it never has been. I mean, I'm thinking about John Young. I'm thinking about who invented the boat buffalo wing and mambo sauce and all that stuff. And suddenly the whole country talks about the buffalo wing and where it originates from, but they don't attribute it to him. And he never got the money or the trademark or any other things that come with it. There's, like, a long history of black people creating shit.

Absolutely.

In music and art and food everywhere.

Everywhere.

Anything. Right.

Technology, all of that shit.

So I'm really sympathetic to that, you know, but that's why we have to also do more education right now for people so that this doesn't keep happening, because it's disgusting that it's still happening.

You got to be careful. You got creators out there. You have to be careful sharing ideas with people that can execute them.

And sometimes I don't even like saying creators, because that can box people into one image of what a creator is. And sometimes the guy that comes up with a fucking amazing river recipe is a creator. But they might not look at it that way, because we look at creators as people who turn on the phone.

Talk about somebody that got that's nice.

Content or someone that makes videos or something, songs.

And this may. I may go left with this. But even if you say you put it together, an outfit, and you create an outfit, and then somebody that takes the picture of you, they become the owner of that picture, if you understand what I'm saying.

Right?

Yeah.

Even though you put it together, you created it. It belongs to them. So I guess the laws and the rules is a little bit different.

Sounds cognizant of moving Forward.

Also. Also, I mean, I mean, there's paperwork that you can establish before you get into the act of sharing ideas.

He's right.

Yeah, we know that. We know that. The world don't.

I didn't always know it.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The world don't typically know that. Like, if you sitting in a room and somebody come taste your oatmeal and you like, yo, this is the best oatmeal I ever had, man. Why you in this little thing?

Yo, we could blow.

And you just think that, yo, the world gonna now get to taste my.

Oatmeal if I'm in that situation. I'm still suing the white man. And I'm a co founder of this business. I'm not an employee.

I agree with you a thousand percent.

Because he can. Like I said, the white man can put his name on a trademark. When he went to trademark it, he could put.

He can put his name on the trademark.

He got the recipe and all that. Just in case that old man passes away. This smoke shop not gonna stop. I know how to make. I was about to say the rest of the employees here know how to make these. Yeah, yeah. The rest of these employees here know how to make these wings, bro.

Stop.

These ribs. Everybody here know how to make these ribs.

And Corey think that the whole tendonism thing is a farce and that they back there actually cutting the meat off the bone.

I did hear that.

And then letting it fall off.

There was some cuts in the meat. I did hear that, that, that there was some cuts or something in the meat. So that when they.

You going to do that to a black. I mean white business? To. To a black and white business. Look what you're doing to a black and white business.

Listen, man, we are in the time of black. Missed it. Yeah, we in the social media world, bro.

It's not rocket science to make meat that can fall off the bone. Pause.

If not. Let's go.

Paul. Tell them.

Like, it's not. It's not a rare thing that someone would have to create some conspiracy theory about good ribs.

Them shits look crazy.

I'm putting my thumb on the scale, though. My business model is the meat fall off the bone.

Everybody want every piece of meat fall off the bone.

All my meat dropping.

Pause.

It will.

All of it.

This is a repeatable thing. This is not like a miraculous piece of meat. It looks great, great.

But I'm not taking no chances. I'm in the kitchen back.

Just.

Just in case somebody go and do.

This and it don't fall.

Hey now my business is done because some one content creator came in here and shot a video and the meeting fall off the box.

You know everybody coming here waiting for your meat.

Of course they wait for you to fail. Yeah, they want to be the one that catch you.

Can I ask y' all a really, really, really. I'm done with Mr. Tenderism. He's got all my love. Can I ask you a really stupid question, please?

Of course. My favorite question, it was.

This one is real dumb.

So such thing as stupid questions.

Josh, that's.

I always hate it when people said that.

Okay.

Lie.

My students be asking some dumb ass questions all the time.

Kids ask some dumb ass questions.

Distinguished panel, please tell me what does the song YMCA have to do with the ymca?

To what place? What's the chorus?

I repeat, what does the song ymca?

Are we going to do a lyrical breakdown now?

I have it queued up already.

Let's get out, cuz.

Now before y', all. Before you rush to your gadgets and your phones.

Uhhuh. I just wanted to get the words right. Well, well, in case it's clear.

Please.

I'm clear before the propaganda. Please, man, come on, bro, I'm asking. Don't fall for the. They be saying I don't know. Dedicated to gay men.

It is.

Well, no, that's.

The owner that wrote the song said it's not dedicated to any. To anything.

It just so happens.

He's lying.

No, he wrote the song. He said it's dedicated ymca.

Ymca. The song is about young boys coming out the closet.

Hold on, I need to lyrics.

I thought everybody knew this.

No, I can read what it says.

I think that the. I think that the connotation or the. The reason why it's adopted by the. The gay culture is because I think at that time people were going to the YMCA to.

Yeah, it says y' all are crazy.

Wait, wait, no, don't get him off the hook.

He might not be wrong. Kind of says that what it says. The Village People's YMCA is a layered, on the surface song. It's a joyful celebration of the Young Men's Christian association as a place for fun, sports, clean meals and support for young men in the city.

However, that's what YMCA stand for.

Yeah.

What you thought it was.

Y means.

Come on. The Young Men's Christian Association.

Yo, I'm just. I'm reading lyrics.

It's like the Boys Club.

It's like the Boys Club.

It's all double entendres.

Yeah, dog. This song is about. This is young men feeling free enough to be themselves and be gay.

I think it's just a commercial for ymca, but it just happens. The ymca, there was some gay going on. So is that.

Come on, Paul.

See, I thought that was unfair to put that on the ymca.

You in the news.

You can't make the coming out song just be. Hey, we. We down here, young man, all.

Off the ground.

I said, young man. Cause you're in a new town. There's no need to be unhappy.

You don't have to be unhappy. You can be.

You don't even know this. Where it's happening at.

Vic.

Yo, stop.

Victor Willis denies it was written as.

We want to.

We want to listen to the song.

Stop putting gay on people. Yo.

Well, no, the man that wrote the.

Song said it's not about that.

But flip. He said. He also acknowledged that the song had double entendre. He acknowledged that there was.

I'm reading it now.

I mean, I've read a decent amount about this. He said both. He said it wasn't a gay anthem, but he acknowledged the song had double meanings in it.

Was Victor gay?

Which is that? I don't know. Anyways, basketball, volleyball, young men's Christian associations.

Do the dance now.

We'll hit that ignorant Y. Yeah.

Let'S hear.

Let's hear verse two. Let's hear verse two.

Come.

You can get yourself clean. You can have a good meal. You can do whatever you feel. Young man, are you listening to me?

I said, young man, what do you wanna be?

You can make million dreams. But you got to know this one thing.

No, man. They would sing that shit, wouldn't they? Yo, this song is about coming out. I don't know what y'. All.

This is a gay song.

I just don't know why they chose the ymca. I told you that's what was happening at. But you can't say that.

Why?

That's.

I think that's what was happening.

Oh.

I mean, I know in some cities, the YMCAs where you play ball and lift weights and like, in Philly, they wouldn't. But in some cities, YMCA is literally just where people sleep. And a lot of men, especially men who were, like, doing. Who were like, in the streets, would go there and people who did sex work would go there. Like in places like Boston and New York, like, it was real popular for people to go there to hook up, too. So it made sense. Also, let's not act like the Village People had a one off all this. If y' all listen to Village People album.

No, no, no, Mark, No.

I didn't know they had an album.

I'm sure y' all heard Macho man before. I thought this was like Macho man play that.

That the same people.

They don't have.

They also have a song called Son of Gamora. They also have a song saying hot cop. They lay down a gay. How do you know that?

You know Macho m. Hey, you've done.

A lot of Village People research.

I said I know. Got the village me when 101 was one of the subjects at the club. I'm in tears, yo.

I did not know.

They have a song called Sodom and Gomorrah.

They got a song called. They got a song called in the Navy.

In the Navy.

True.

I'm a cruiser.

So the Village People just made hot all the spots that the young gay boys was getting in their bag.

Yeah, he was very passionate about the water.

Changed his life. That came from the soul with the macho men. That's crazy.

And they say that Macho man, what was like their least gay song? Like, that wasn't the one. They were intended to be a gay anthem, but YMCA is kind of like, that's their. In the club.

Club.

You know what I mean? Like, that was the one.

It was the club.

No, that was the end of club. Yeah.

To this day, Action man. To this day.

Do you want to spend the. All right.

I'm a cruiser. I'm a. I have a roommate. I mean, they got a. I mean.

But you know why I gave so much push back.

I am what I am.

You. You know, the people were saying the Electric Boogie song was about a violent vibrator. And I used to get mad about that online, too.

Like the. That made it.

Cuz Ronnie Whaler wrote that song. He's a Rastafarian. He's not talking about vibrators.

You think Rastafarians can't talk about vibrators?

He's not talking about. He's part of the Bob Marley and he's not talking about that. And it's an insult for people to do this.

You think Bob Marley ain't never pulled a sex toy out and did start playing with shorty, are you? I'm just saying he's above that.

That.

He's above that.

The 66 toy must have been crazy.

You plug in the wall? No, but. Yeah, above that.

Man. I'm still up about these song titles they got. I won't take no for an answer. Just give me what I want.

Whoa, Fam.

I'm reading a lot of song titles can be crazy if you want to like.

Yeah, okay. Well, the name of the group is the Village People.

And. And then the 60s and 7. Right, right. The Village People. Again, these are subtle kind of tracking a little bit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But there's a long history of songs being gay. And then the writers often did not like. I mean, Lil Richard didn't. Tootie Frutti was gay song. Right. But, like, at the time, he didn't say it's gay, but later on, he acknowledged that it was Tutti Frutti, Good Booty. Right. And then. And it changed. That's what it was.

I. I didn't know.

I didn't know that.

Yeah. Tutti Frutti Good Booty. That was what it was.

I never heard.

Then he had to change a little bit because that was a little too much for.

Well, you're saying that it was too D. Frutti Booty.

Yes, that's how that was.

Too D Fruti.

Yeah, Good booty make a lot more sense. Don't.

He had that screaming.

That's when it got real good.

I'm not listening gibberish.

There's a girl named Daisy. Nah, it wasn't about that.

Okay, Ask R L Richard. He'll tell you. Yeah, well, he's dead.

All right, y' all answered my question with that whole Young Men of Christians association in Jersey City. It was no Christians around that ymca. There was killers in there in Queens too. Yeah, I thought it was always, like, young men that carry arms. I thought it was some hood that was a Christian's hood.

I thought the same.

Oh, my God. They was in there in the 70s. All right, maybe it's.

Yeah, maybe it is.

Or I ain't been to a in a long time. Still out there.

What are you trying to say.

Young man? Sounded a little. I walked. Right.

Was created in 1844.

Oh, boy. Yeah, exactly.

Is what kill the 70s.

Oh.

So back then, it probably was.

They were like hostels. They were like youth hostels, and they just grew up.

Here come the most controversial podcaster on earth. YMCAs were hostiles.

Places for people to sleep, homeless people, homeless kids and like that.

Runaways.

Is that what hostel means?

Oh, my gosh. Not hostile. Not le e l like hostel.

Like.

No, that's the one I'm talking about that. That means that.

Tell me what that word, hostel is. Like a place when you're traveling. It's like a room. You just rent a room.

It's an expensive hotel.

Really cheap. Cheap room.

Really cheap.

$3.

Some can be really.

I remember the movies, like a $3.

With a cotton there.

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's where I.

Every time I hear hostels, that's a host.

You know what they doing globally.

That's not. I mean, there's lots of hostels where you. It's just like a nice inex. Like, I go to. I stay. I stayed at hostel three or four years ago, Mark.

Yo, all right.

Why did you do that?

I was in Palestine.

Why did you do that?

You got bigger Palestine, God damn it.

You can't be get.

You.

You hear this? You got it. You got it.

You got it, bro.

Stay at the Hospital of Palestine, man.

Three years ago, I asked Mark if he planned on going back over there. He talking about, yeah, I'm just watching the clock. He done been everywhere, but I'm trying.

To get over there.

He said he was trying.

I just ain't got the time because I got to go for weeks. I got a lot of people to see, a lot of stuff to do. But I'll be in the Middle east and next month.

So. Yeah, all right. There's that. Absolutely. I'm glad. My stupid question. Could. Could.

They got you. They got you to Saudi?

No, they got me to Qatar.

All right.

Come on. Could go right to that Saudi 1mlk day, too. Oh, 1mlk history morning.

I ain't going to Saudi, man. I come back here with one hand, I'll be potting.

How many gigs you got going for Black History Month? I know that's when you about to be in your bag every day.

Actually, I'm glad you asked that. Not that many. So if you want to book me for Black History Month, please. Mark Lamonthill dot com. Check me out. I. I could use a few more, but I think I'm in, like, maybe four or five. Not. Not that many. I'm doing. Trying to do bigger events, man. I can't do too much wear and tear on my body.

Sounds like it.

Yeah. I'm already. I'm worn out from yesterday from the.

My last Tacos Locos Tosos Locos. My last stupid question for y'. All. And then we can move on to something of substance. If you arguing with your girl and you need something.

No, it's probably the answer.

And you need something from her, whether it be information or anything else.

Nope.

Do you time out the argument and pick up the phone and call, or do you thug it out on some.

G. I read a whole media Britannica.

Thank you.

Is Ice my hardest to thug it out, bro. I'm trying to do anything.

Thugging it out, Flip.

Thug it out, Joe.

Same.

Same now.

But sometimes you got to put a pause to it. Hold on.

I don't care.

Try my hardest.

I don't want to do that.

Sometimes you got to put a pause, cuz your wife may know, man, that. That you just don't know.

I don't time out the beef. I only asked cuz we was laughing about Keno trying to do the zep and spilling this on the floor. And I was like, I just said something to you, but we was beefing. I was standing in my. She was like, yo, you could time out the beef, yo. That's really important. I would have helped you out with that. I'm like, it's never like that. There's no such thing as a timeout with the beef. Never timing out the beef. Are you crazy?

N. Someone else could jab me here.

Not for that.

Nothing.

You got to be emergency.

Be off medical got me off the cliff.

Like, yeah, yeah. Somebody had to die.

Somebody had to die on medical emergency. And even then, I'm, like, looking for other options.

You have to be literally the last option.

Yeah. Like, sorry, then I'mma do it.

Sorry.

Thousand is worth it.

Sorry.

It might be worth it.

A thousand. I'll be proud for a thousand.

Because I said if we could time out the beef.

Thousand on Shannon.

If we could time out the beef. We ain't be beefing.

Oh, that's a good point.

If we could time out the beefing. Ain't a beef.

It's a great point. We can stop.

Hey, I know we disagree on some things, but listen, where did you put the hell no. You ain't got access to me till.

We make it up.

See, my wife times out the. Now I'm thinking she timed out the beef last week.

We know. We could tell.

But you said she was in the wrong.

Oh, she was totally wrong.

Oh, no, she timed out.

You said she timed out the beef. Oh, she timed out. Oh, she tried to time out.

And you Bishop and ladder.

What I'm gonna say he did.

We still beefing.

I'm just in the dominant position. Then I feel superior.

Yeah.

Because she come to me like I need help with something. I help her, and then I go back to being mad. I'm up. Was that petty? Yes. Okay. I'm comfortable with that.

No, it's calculated. No, you don't speak petty. I got a petty beef going right now, and it's it's the pettiest in the world. I don't even care.

Care. Oh, please share.

Please share.

I bust my ass yesterday on the ice.

Walked out the house, boom.

I mean, bust my ass. So I go and I tell her, whatever, we cool. You all right? Yeah, fine. Like three, four hours go by. She's gonna tap me out of nowhere and say, do you think the camera caught it?

Oh, I said, why you think that?

You got mad? Yeah, I got mad because now she wants to go check the camera, pull the camera up, is dying, laughing. So now we in the be.

Oh, she found it.

She found it.

Is it possible that she.

Yo, Mr.

Beast.

Yeah, this. Why follow people?

You got mad at that nigga.

Why you think.

Why you thinking about that so many hours later? We cool. And she's. Yo, yo, I just want to ask you. I'm like, what's up?

Yeah.

You think the camera caught you falling this morning?

She already had it too, when she asked you.

She probably did.

Now I'm more mad.

Did you ever have it on?

He trying, say, hit his head.

Yeah, yeah.

Flew.

I'm just asking.

I'm trying to get the visual part.

It was a pre or post. The. The little shape up.

It was pre. I was on my way to barbershop.

Oh.

Oh, you look crazy. Let me ask you, if your girl had fell, would you have cut the video?

No, I wouldn't have checked the video.

I know. Icefall. Goofy too. I know it's a good.

I'm not gonna hold you. I'm not even gonna hold y'. All. It wasn't. This was a very uncool fall, bro. It was the unexpected. I ain't even. You know, sometimes you can see some.

Slip you can do like this.

Boom.

I jumped up. Make sure nobody saw me. You broke the ground. No, I was on.

Yeah, that.

It was.

It was. You lucky to be all right.

Yeah.

That's how crack their spine.

But Yeah, I was 40 year old Bones. I was hot like, yo, why are you thinking about that still where you was at? Walk right outside the crib. You ain't put no salt there. I don't do that. They do that.

They didn't.

No, no, no.

They.

The. The. The.

Where you park at?

Who's they? Like, the migrants. Who is they like, what you talking about?

Mr. Ice, right, senor. The Ice.

Yo, do y' all have any thoughts on. On. On. On. On. On them people saying that citizens of the U. S. Will need to prove. Be able to prove. Yeah, be able to prove that they are u. S. Citizens.

I hate this country.

It's not funny. It's not. And we haven't.

I'm not laughing.

No, we having a good pie. You don't want serious as help at some point. That's what they had to do in Germany.

Oh, yeah, you made the Nazi term.

Like, I mean, it's going door to door like that. Like, that ain't fucking funny. Yeah, I've seen with them going door to door in Minneapolis, bro. That's scary.

But also, this is. I mean, and I agree. I mean, the worst case scenario is like a Nazi Germany situation, but also for black people. When we've had to show papers for hundreds of years, like, this ain't even new for us. I'm always fascinated when white people get outraged that they might have to live the way black people did for a long period of time. It's awful. I don't want nobody to have to do that. I think it's awful. And I hope they can stop it, because whenever, even with voting, even with having to show paperwork to vote, it was the same thing. It was like, if you don't got. If you didn't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. But that's the wrong mentality.

Because he's a horrible mentality.

Yeah.

And you keep eroding people's liberties.

Not just that. What, what happens when they just pulled a black dude over in canal, he was cursing them niggas the out. He like, yo, I'm not from here. Suck my dick. Now, you know I'm from here, right? I'm from Brooklyn. I was born in blah, blah, blah, hospital in Brooklyn. Brooklyn, suck my dick. He said suck my dick like 40 times. They like, oh, yeah, he from Brooklyn.

They like, yo, he from Brooklyn, yo.

And they walked away. Then they got another one in the car with the black dude. Like, fam, you could tell from my voice I'm born here. Even though that's not an indication, but it's like, yo, it is. But it's just like, yo, fam, I was born in. Blah, blah, blah. They'll. They starting to be like, oh, I think your ID is fake. I think you have fake ID like, what? So at that point, show you now your mind is making. Yeah. So at that point, nobody is safe even if you were born here. If they have the. The. The privilege to say yo, or discretion and say, yo, I think your ID is fake.

And you say nobody's safe. The only thing I would add to that, because I know what you mean, is that White men are safe. The whole point of this is to protect white men.

You're right. Because they. I don't see them going. They. Not with. And no disrespect to nobody. I don't see them in the Serbian neighborhoods. I don't see them in the Albanian neighborhoods. I'm not seeing them in the Russian neighborhood neighborhoods. And them smuggle people like crazy. And I'm not seeing it. I don't see them in Chinatown and all of these other communities. They only with the blacks and browns, from what I can see.

Yeah.

And so don't say it's about American safety and liberty, because you're saying that the only unsafe people are the blacks and the browns. You know what I'm saying? And that is nuts to me.

Facts.

Well said. Well said. I agree. I didn't mean us to take a too much of everything turn, turn, but good job. Good job, you guys.

Well, I've been killing Segways today, so. Speaking of unhappy turns. Yeah. What the.

Stupid this, man. Sometimes you shock yourself, right? Sometimes.

Look it up.

Nicki Minaj and Don Lemon. We can't leave this show without at least acknowledging.

And by we, you mean you. I could leave here and have the greatest day of the world.

Sleep like a baby.

Oh, my God. Oh, my Lord.

Magnesium sleep.

Y' all already are leaving me. So now the Barb's gonna be like, they ain't wanna talk about it. Mark made him talk about it. I get it. I get it. It's on the board. And I ain't write it. But we'll do it. I'm gonna do it. Cause I think it's worth doing. Nicki Minaj wrote a tweet about Don Luke Lemon, the former CNN host, respected journalist, revered member of the black community. She wrote, don Cock Sucking Lemon is disgusting. How dare you? I want that thug in jail. He would never do that to any other religion. Lock him up.

What was this in regard to?

And has the image of the Chucky doll. This was in response to Don Lemon reporting on what happened in that church, right?

Yeah, Don Lemonade. Don Lemon met up with some people who went into the church who said that the pastor or somebody in the congregation was an ICE member. So they popped up in the church and they interrupted the service and they started calling the person name that got killed in Minneapolis and everything like that. So that's what happened.

So, you know, you can have a criticism of ICE or of Don Lemon or of either political side, you can say, hey, the Christian church is being attacked. Christianity's being attacked in ways that no one else is. We can agree, disagree, whatever. I don't have a nickel in that quarter. I don't have a thought on that particular thing.

You do, but that's fine.

I mean, I do, but I haven't thought about it enough to flesh out my opinion on it. Because to me, no matter who's right or who's wrong, you can't throw out homophobic slurs against people. And, you know, watching Nikki do that, it feels like an unraveling again, that I'm worried about. And. And I'm curious to know how, again, so many of the Barbs nation who identify as LGBTQ are able to hold steady when you hear stuff like that. When she was going anti trans, people say, oh, you know, there are a lot of queer people who don't care about trans folk or who have an issue with trans folk. But now she's calling him a cocksucker for no reason. And then she kind of doubled down on it and responded to it by saying, I purposely wrote it that way because I knew that would be the only way to get the cocksuckers to post about it. They would have all collectively ignored the despicable behavior displayed by Lemonhead. I'm glad they're angry. They're about to get angrier. And then the Chucky doll with the middle finger up again, to me, that's not a good enough response.

You're Nicki Minaj. You can put a spotlight on any issue you want without revering the homophobia. And just to use a comparable example, that would be like somebody saying a white person taking the same issue and calling down an issue nigger, and then saying, well, I had to use the N word for people to pay attention to what was happening in this church. We'd all say, that's not okay. So why would it be okay to do that to Don Lemon? Of course Don responded in his own way. He called her pick me, said that she's not, doesn't have bandwidth for this conversation, said that she might be an illegal citizen, that she's a pick me for Donald Trump in particular, he gave his own response and shout out to Don for responding the way he wanted to. I don't know. I don't know how he should have responded. I don't have a thought on that.

But.

But the whole conversation is disgusting to me. And I don't want to keep giving this light, but I also feel like ignoring it with someone who has that big of a platform is also irresponsible. So I'm conflicted about how we even talk about this.

I mean, well, if you're asking me, I'm not, like, talking about it as much as it will come up, will make me feel like I'm complicit in some way.

I feel that.

And I don't. I said I'm not talking no more about none of this Nicki shit. I ain't. I ain't. That's me. Yeah, that's me. But I do get your point about how even that could be dangerous.

That's the problem.

But I don't want to magnify that. Whatever the audience is that that has. I don't want to plus it by even one.

And see. See my thing on it. You said something. You said she worded it this way. Cause that this will make people respond. See, when I hear that, it's almost like addressing it or covering it playing in. I'm giving you what you want.

Yeah.

So that's what. Just. Just me when I. When I. It's like, if I could see you trying to get the response out of somebody or whatever. I don't want to. I don't want to do that.

Y' all convinced me of that with Kanye, and that's why I stopped commenting on Kanye. Y' all convinced me that that was not the right way to engage him, because. But to me, Kanye at some point was yelling from the cheap seats. He was yelling from the margins, and it seemed different. Nikki is still very much. I mean, she's start that way with don't exactly.

It took a while to get there, though.

That's true. And so I don't know if that means we should get to this faster or we should ignore it sooner. I don't know the answer, because I don't have the right answer here, but I feel really. And maybe because I know Don as well, I care more. But I just genuinely feel weird to watch someone so talented, so powerful, so popular punch down like this, you know, it feels very. I don't know. I feel like I need to do something. Yeah.

But my thing is once. Once I've, like. I've addressed this when it. The first time it came up. And. And once I do, like, my position has been made clear.

Yeah.

Like, even that. I've heard you say that before. So it's like, okay. Every time somebody does something, like, not somebody, but Nikki, like, are we gonna come back to say, hey, this is what's happening with her? This is what it feels like. And this is how I feel on the Matter like you're not. I feel I've made it clear, and now I'm done over there.

I think y' all have convinced me again. So this. Unless something unusual happens, the next commentary I make about Nicki Minaj is gonna be about music.

That's where I'm at.

That's fair.

And I'm not sure I'm gonna do that.

We gotta do that.

I ain't sure. I ain't sure about that, really. I'm just not sure I'm gonna sleep on it, but I'm not certain. All new music don't just guarantee. You come up here and just get to kicking it about some music. Like, if I don't, I don't. I just don't know.

But she one of the biggest rappers in the world.

Some people just ignore that.

Awesome. Awesome.