Transcript of The Turnt Lives of Mormon Wives: Monday, March 16th, 2026

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Welcome back to The Toast and happy Monday. Spooky, you know, spooky.

Spooky, we're back.

Spooky, we're back. I had such a weird dream that like I actually haven't felt normal since, and like it was like an embarrassing dream last night. Yeah, so Ben gave me two tickets to Wicked and I invited Gary Gianetti, like obviously, of course. Um, and I remember it was at 7:30 and Ben was also getting home from a work trip, so I was like cleaning the house, like getting ready for Ben to arrive, until I realized like I got a text from Gary. And for some reason I was like texting on an iPod Nano, um, and he was like, are you coming? I'm here. And I literally stood up, Gary Gianetti, and I felt so bad. And I was like, oh, I'll come. And he's like, no, forget it. And he just left, as he should. It was terrible. And so I woke up with such a pit, like, why was I dreaming of Gary Gianetti?

We were just talking about him like a week ago. Yeah, but he was just in your mind.

And he's not like somebody who's on my mind a lot.

He was on your mind.

Ugh, I felt so bad. What's worse than that?

No, what's better than waking up and none of it happened?

Yeah, of course. I had to like reacclimate myself. Like, not only was it a dream, but like I never even ended up inviting Gary.

Sometimes I'm in a dream and I'm not enjoying my experience, and I realize in my dream you self-actualize in And then in my dream, I realize it's a dream and I'm like, oh, who cares?

And you know what? Much like Susan Boyle, we dreamed a dream.

We did.

Of time gone by.

And I guess we're sharing our dreams now.

That's what we do on this podcast. We share our hopes and our dreams.

We do, but we don't share our sleep dreams.

Well, I thought that one was like culturally relevant that I could bring it up.

Yes.

I stand by that. Like that was a good podcast conversation.

I know. But when you bring up your dreams in podcasts, in life, to your friends and family, like Don't. You better. No, no, don't eat with that.

But I think that mine, um, just sort of applies here.

Okay.

Because like it's Monday and it's like, ugh, you know?

Well, yes, very ugh of a Monday.

We had a very busy weekend. We watched the Oscars, we went to a party.

We did.

Yeah, we danced. My Oura ring was like, are you dancing?

It was a weekend for me where I did not get out of my jammies, and it still applies because we went to a pajama party.

Yeah.

So even though I went out Saturday night, I went out in my jammies and my robe, and I not leave my pajamas all weekend.

Now I know it sounds crazy that we went to a party because we like literally just had babies, um, but thankfully Erica, whose party it was, like decided to throw a birthday where the theme was pajamas.

The whole theme was like Wonderland, Dreamland, and everybody wore pajamas and like cozy vibes, but like dancing and amazing music, dancing while being cozy, amazing food, cozy vibes, and great music because her body craves Pitbull.

And I'm not gonna lie, when I got the invitation, I'm like, that's weird. Like I hadn't ever thought— I'd never been to a party where like the theme— and I wasn't sure how it was gonna go off.

And let me tell you, it went off without a hitch.

I'll be copying when you got the invitation, you said, that's not a theme.

Is that what you said? Yeah.

And I said she would have been better off if she did famous couples throughout history so Ben and I could go as Romeo and Juliet, obviously.

What did we just say is famous couples throughout history? Love Story.

Yes, Love Story.

The show Love Story is alternately titled Famous Couples Throughout History.

No, it would— no, not even the— like, the whole series that he's producing, yeah, he's going to be highlighting Famous couples throughout history should be called that. And they obviously need Drew Barrymore to play one of them for sure.

Elizabeth Taylor.

Sure, it works.

Or like Cleopatra.

It works.

Yeah. I think Elizabeth Taylor played Cleopatra. I think that's why I associate the two.

You know, they say that Elizabeth Taylor is going to be Taylor Swift's next single from TLOAS, and I feel like she definitely shouldn't do that. No, please, no. I also feel like With Opalite and The Fate of Ophelia, like, that was a lot of commercial success and probably the most commercial success she's gonna have with this album, which like now in hindsight, like, I can speak and, and sort of understand that like it wasn't that good. Um, so I feel like she should just take the W, you know. She got a couple of TikTok dances, a couple of radio hits, and I think she should—

I think she could squeeze one more out, and I do think it could be a song that's not like Life of a Showgirl with Sabrina. Like, it could be Wood.

Funny. Oh yeah, actually the album's kind of good.

I guess like it could be Honey just cuz like I don't like it and that's what she loves for her singles. Like Bejeweled and Antihero.

Antihero. So yeah, Taylor—

let's talk about Antihero.

Taylor often has this like terrible track record of choosing the worst songs from her. She will write like actual masterpieces of albums and then put like one bad song on it and decide to make that song the radio hit. The single that everybody knows. And that's why people think like Taylor Swift's music is good, because they think We Are Never Getting Back Together is like the best that she can do.

Or they just think that like she doesn't have that many hits, and it's like the hits aren't the hits.

Wait, like, do you know Peter? No, you don't know Peter.

No, no.

You know Hey Stephen? No, you don't, because it wasn't a single, and that's on you. A couple of things. One, we kind of have a major announcement.

We do.

Yeah, so like, as I said, you probably read about it like all over the trades because we're all over the trades. Um, We're like going to be at an event. Like we're doing an event, Dear Media IRL, which was an annual Dear Media event. It's happening in New York this year. And yeah, we're going. It's going to be a live podcast. It's going to be very turnt, as the kids say.

Turnt? And would you define turnt in this capacity?

I just want to— I need everyone in the comments to pop off my fucking dick. Being like, Claudia's using the word turnt wrong. Well, no, no, you're understanding it wrong because I've been saying it for years. Turnt means like turnt up.

This one is turned up.

We're getting turnt. Like turnt up. Sometimes when I say turn, and it's like, use context clues. Do I have to spell everything out? Sometimes when I say turn—

One word can have more than one meaning. Of course. Like the rain.

Correct. When I say something turn in like a negative, it's like, oh, it's turnt. Like it's like messy and weird and like not good.

Yeah. But in this case—

So it's like, use context clues and stuff. I really don't feel like I need to explain it.

It'll be turnt in the sense that we are turning up at Dear Media IRL in New York City on May 16th at Webster Hall.

And they're not billing it as like a sort of WWE event, but The Good Guys are going to be in attendance, so we're all going to be on stage together. There are a lot of other podcasters, but like specifically The Good Guys, um, they're— it might get physical.

That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna ask to like program our show and their show and like do some stuff together, and like perhaps we just get in the ring and we duke it out.

I'm down. Like, I obviously take on Josh and you take on Ben.

Oh, of course.

I can't get on Ben.

Like, of course, you know, we would play chicken. Marital privilege.

We put each other on our shoulders. Yeah, we play chicken, fight to the death. Tickets are available. Go to dearmedia.com/events for tickets, more information. It's happening in New York City, like Jackie said, at Webster Hall. It's Dear Media by night, so it's like a really fun night with lots of comedy, cocktails, podcasts, um, and of course chaos, or as the kids say, turnt. And when someone's really turnt, they are the president of Turnesia, as Brian Kelly would say. And if we're looking for the proper definition, bark up Brian Kelly's street because he invented the word. Um, if you're in the area or you need an excuse to get away, girls trip to the city, tickets are on sale today. Dearmedia.com/events. Events, events.

I wanna go to events.

Invite me to your events. Speak of events. Last night was a big one.

Yeah, the Oscars. We will recap in the stories.

Mm-hmm.

And beyond that, you know what? I have to give myself a pat on the back. I had sick, my, um, my kids were sick this weekend and I did not turn on the screen for them.

For them, but for you?

Oh yeah, for me. I watched the Oscars when they went to bed last night, but like, I'm sorry, getting through a sick weekend with children, like we didn't leave the house, we were in our jammies and I did not put on the TV.

Good for you.

That's like a milestone even for me. We always like do TV when they're sick, but like it's It's just then it's like, well, then they'll always wanna be sick.

Right, right.

And they, they still, their spirits were high. They wanted to play. So I was like, okay, we're gonna play this weekend out. We tore the house upside down.

My nightmare.

Upside down. Like seriously, that scene in The Cat in the Hat before he brings in his machine to clean it up.

Yeah.

That was my house this weekend.

I need that machine.

Yeah, you do. You need Thing 1 and Thing 2.

Yeah. Um, oh, I did also, uh, not turn on the screen for my child, but for myself quite a bit, like nap times, nighttime. I made a lot of progress in Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And on Friday night when we were like going to watch something, Ben was like, let's watch a movie. I'm like, sorry, I have to watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And he was putting up like such a temper tantrum about it. Let me tell you, if I started watching without him, he would be so mad. Nobody has— and I'm sure if you want to hear it in the Good Guys in 2 weeks, he'll tell you all he thinks about the first 5 episodes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Yeah, you can find out in a month.

He's obsessed. And like he hates Jordan. Like, and now he's using it as like a slur. Like, he put on a shirt and he was like, do I look like Jordan? Like, he's hate— oh my God, it's actually such a good season, but I feel like it's a bad season for Taylor Frankie Paul. Like, I feel like you're gonna struggle watching it because you really, um, I am.

I champion her. Episode 3, I started last night, but I can, you know, see what's happening here.

And yes, I just don't understand how she's like heartbroken over Dakota when I thought we left it in last season with the betrayal of sleeping with your mom's friend.

But I just feel like the feeling of like being so heartbroken over a human being who has let you down so many times, that like, and you just like love him, like it's just very like middle school to me.

Like high school. Miranda was saying like there's something actually deeply broken within Taylor. Um, and so her going on The Bachelor, like they're talking about The Bachelor a lot. Obviously it's all synergetic. They're talking about Dancing with the Stars, The Bachelor premieres tomorrow, right? Today. And I do not have high hopes. Like, it's— she is not— I don't— maybe by the end of the season I'll see, but I think it actually gets worse because I think she also sleeps with Dakota the night before The Bachelor. Like, this is not a serious person. I actually saw people like discourse on TikTok of people saying, um, if they were going to tap someone from Secret Lives to do The Bachelorette, it should have been Miranda. Now Miranda's kind of boring and like gives a little bit of nothing, but she is very like stable. And I think that if she were to like start dating, or I don't know if she dates, it would be in a more serious way. But she's not like a star.

No, I was actually thinking she's like, she's just a character that she's the only person that they've really added, and she doesn't like add that much to the show, but she's like another body and she's someone to film with.

And with the swinging scandal, she was like a big part of it.

And she like, Chase is now part of Dad Talk. So like, they're necessary, but like, I don't know that she could carry it. But is she just the only other single one?

I guess. Leila is currently single in real life, but in the show when they were casting, she was with Mason.

I just got to the part where she like had her breast augmentation 3 days before the reunion.

Insane.

Like literally she like walked in, I thought she was having a consultation and then she's like on the operating table and crying when she woke up. And I understood her crying. Like she, that's like where Dakota should be by her side or the person that she loves. And like to go through that alone and then literally have to get up in 2 days and go to work in a dress that you don't own, like borrowing from Jesse.

Like that was crazy.

And I remember at the reunion her dress was like, didn't fit her. Mm-hmm. And usually, like, I feel like at the reunion, especially Housewives, they bring like 3 looks. Everyone has to be cohesive. You get like— it's a very like—

Hulu hasn't mastered the art of the reunion in many ways.

And they keep talking about the reunion. I said this last season, I'm going to say it again. It is too much breaking of the fourth wall, too much talking about the show, and not enough living off the show.

I actually don't agree because I'm a little bit further along than you, and my complaint is that we're 5 episodes in and we're literally just like a couple of days after the reunion. Like, move on. And I know a lot happened with Demi and stuff, but like the whole first half of the season is about the reunion.

Yeah, and it wasn't even a reunion, it was a Dunkin' Refreshers commercial.

And they kept bringing— there was more Dunkin' in the season.

Like, and I officially do not care about Demi and Marciano and Jen and what Jen said about Demi and Marciano. And I don't care, I don't care what happened. I don't even care if they have a baby together. Like, I don't care.

Do we have a Salama story?

We don't. We were going to recap it at the end.

Okay, so yeah, just in case anyone hasn't watched, we'll pause here.

Okay.

And we'll just catch up at the end, even though that was like pretty much—

no, but we've— I've watched at like a normal, not podcaster's pace. Like, you know, some podcasters— I was talking when Natalie Byall was here—

well, they do the most.

Like, and they watch everything. And she said that sometimes they have to like watch it on like 1.2 speed to like get the information.

I do wonder how like podcasters, like, the next morning will be like season recap of Salama. Like, that doesn't worry me.

Or people who like write up articles about the season. Like, they get screeners in advance. Oh, they get screeners. But seriously, like, the day, the hour after Salama premiered, they're like, Taylor and Dakota slept together before.

Yeah, it's annoying.

That hasn't even happened yet.

It's annoying. Me neither.

It is annoying, but I guess, you know, it's hard work. Someone's gotta do it.

And then the stories, we've got Oscar recap. What else happened this weekend?

It's probably like Oscars adjacent news. Yeah, right, right. People talking, making news. Right, right, right. So let's get into our first story in the Fast Five Stories that you— that do need to know.

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Our first story, Oscars recap.

Yes.

So we'll do the show, the winners.

Yes. Um, Conan.

Conan. Let's start with Conan. Let's go in order of chronology.

Chronology. He didn't bother me. Like, I feel like his stage time was not a lot, which I think is a good thing for all hosts. It's like, even if it was, you know, someone I loved, like, you don't want the host up your ass.

Yeah.

And he didn't do like a lot of like stupid, silly like skits.

I thought there were so many bits.

There were so many bits. I mean, it's like singing and dancing and ping pong.

But they did so many like produced bits like SNL where they had all these packages and I was like, oh, with all the bits.

Oh, that didn't bother me either. Except the one at the end I like didn't understand. And I was about to come on here and be like making outrage about it. But apparently you need to have seen one battle after the other because at the very end they did this little skit and it was like the head of the association being like, Conan, you did so good. You're gonna be the Oscars host for life. He was like, for life? That's amazing. And they're like, yeah, let me show you your office. Put him in his office, they're like, wait here, I'll go get the key. They lock him in and then the vents, like toxic smoke starts coming out. They kill him and put him into an incinerator. Now I haven't seen One Battle After Another, so my immediate thought was like, are we cosplaying the Holocaust? It was gas chamber, then incinerator, cremation. And I was like, looking on Twitter, I'm like, where are my fellow people being outraged? Apparently it's a reference to this movie. That's exactly what happened to Sean Penn. Spoiler alert. Um, oh, and then like when Conan died, they replaced the name on his door and it said, host for life, MrBeast.

So I guess in the movie he gets like, you know, replaced by like a young hot thang and that's supposed to be MrBeast.

By the way, give it to MrBeast.

Agreed. People who saw it, the movie, like thought it was funny. For me, I was like deeply uncomfortable, but now I understand that I was wrong.

It was a reference to the movie that won Best Picture. Yeah. So maybe they had a bunch of packages filmed of how the movies ended, or they could have just like looked at the results and only had to film one, you know? Yeah. Save themselves some time and money.

I personally, tuned in to see if Timothée was going to win. Like, I watched the whole thing because, you know, it's my job and I love to, like, you know, be a part of something. But what I really wanted to see was Timothée. And of course, Conan made a joke about ballet and opera. I thought it was funny. Like, it was very lighthearted. He addressed it. I didn't think it was like—

Timothée and Kylie laughed.

And it wasn't a big deal. Like, the thing is, is that what Timothée said is not a big deal. Everyone's acting like it is and they look stupid, but like, it wasn't a big deal. So the cute little joke, like, I liked it. I don't know if you saw Misty Copeland like did a surprise performance during one of the Sinners performances.

Yep.

Um, and I just felt like, okay, we've really lost the plot. Like, was that—

oh, you felt like it was designed to be a swipe at Timothée?

Like, only because Timothée, you've decided to highlight ballet. Like, you don't actually care. And it's like, okay, Timothée said this one thing like buried in a 3-hour-long interview. We just discovered it. We're all fake mad about it. And it's like What he said wasn't like hurtful. It wasn't. It was just his opinion on something. And because everyone in the room has deemed that opinion to be like bad, we now have to like make a whole spectacle and embarrass Timothée on like an important night for him. I thought it was so stupid. And I like Misty Copeland. Like, yeah, show us more ballet.

That's great.

But like, why only now?

I thought it was like really like they're proving Timothée's point that you guys weren't showing ballet correct and that you weren't uplifting.

It was just like, I'm like, oh, I thought because I thought Conan's little thing was perfect.

Like, yeah.

And It's actually a funny joke.

And it is like the big news of this Oscar season. Stupidly enough, every red carpet host was asking everyone their thoughts on it. Like, who cares? Josh Groban chimed in, which, you know what, he's an opera singer, so—

He's allowed to have an opinion.

He's allowed to have an opinion. And he wouldn't say anything shady. And he said it's been an accidental positive for the community. And he's like, and I'm not gonna say more than that, 'cause you would be a loser to do so. It was great to see Josh up there doing his thang when he sang.

Shout out to People Magazine. For doing a little game. I think they were at like a pre-Oscars event and people were walking the red carpet and they were like, what is your favorite opera?

Oh yeah. I saw that.

Ballet.

What's your favorite ballet?

And a couple of people like, thank God, remembered The Nutcracker.

Stirred up the Nutcracker.

But nobody said anything besides that.

Right.

And most people said nothing.

Right.

Thus proving the point. So that like was a little annoying. But the thing back to Conan, it was just like a couple of times me and Ben were like, like a chuckle, you know, it wasn't like groundbreaking comedy, but it was just like, you know, also the opening sketch, I of course did not understand because I didn't see any of the movies, Begonia or whatever.

Whatever movie that came from. Um, and then I was like, why are all these kids chasing Conan? Of course, when I see like a group of children in Hollywood, I just am like, red flag alert, nefarious.

Of course.

Um, so I didn't like the opening sketch because I didn't get it, because I didn't see the movies, because they are bad, right?

I also didn't see not one singular movie. I think that's important to note whilst recapping this award show. So I don't have strong opinions on who should have won, who—

oh no, no, I have no—

I have no horse in this race. Like last year I I watched every single one.

All I'll say is like, I wish Timothée had won so that I could have seen—

could have heard him acknowledge—

could have seen more Kylie FaceTime. However, I had turned it off by then. I made it all the way to the Golden performance. And then the whole time I was just like, I really wanna be watching Secret Lives. Like, I'm not finding this entertaining and I wanna be entertained, but I'll just like keep an ear open because like we're gonna talk about it today. But it, I didn't find it to be good, but I'm, I'm glad that you enjoyed it. Yeah.

I like to see fabulous, like good looking people all in one room. Kate Hudson was nominated for an Oscar and she's just, so like it, do you know what I mean? She got the best seat. Her movie like wasn't— I think the most nominated ones were Sinners, Sinners, and One Battle After the Other. Like her movie got like maybe one or two awards, hers being one of them. Hugh Jackman wasn't even nominated. So like, I don't know, she literally had the best— she had a better seat than Michael B. Jordan. Like she had the best seat in the house. You could see her like from the angle of the host. Um, they included her in like a couple little bits. She's just like that girl, you know?

Yeah.

Oh, and actually this was the first year where I felt like the In Memoriam was so much more in depth than their typical slideshow and, you know, Jennifer Hudson performance. They had a couple of people speak. I guess this year, like, we actually lost— usually there's like one or two major people. Catherine O'Hara, Diane Keaton, Rob Reiner. Yeah, I forgot about that. A lot of— oh, and then Robert Redford. Barbra Streisand came out. She gave kind of like a turnt speech, negative connotation. But that's my queen right there, so like, slay mama. And it was a little long, but it was nice. It really was. I love to see Miss Rachel McAdams being tapped to speak on Diane Keaton. Now I know everyone was like, Claudia, they were in The Family Stone together. I don't give a shit. They were in Morning Glory together, and we wouldn't all be here in this room right now if it weren't for that movie.

And I feel like that's really the, the project that bonded them, obviously, not The Family Stone.

And I think it came out first, actually.

I don't think Family Stone was bonding experience.

I saw The Family Stone, and let me tell you, it is bar none the craziest movie.

When you— I don't know what I never saw it. Okay, should I see it?

Yes, you actually will love it.

A turn positive for— or a turn negative?

Turn positive for sure. Aladdin?

Turn is the new Aladdin.

Jackie, it's the craziest movie. You think it's just like a family Christmas movie.

So you said turn positive?

Turn positive. Okay, it's wild. First of all, star-studded. Sarah Jessica Parker, Rachel McAdams, um, Owen Wilson's hotter, better brother Emmett. Is that his name? Um, the plot, like, you just have— you have no idea where this movie's going to go.

Okay, okay, I'm going to watch it.

Yeah, you will actually love it.

Let me add it to my content plate.

And it's actually— we should like all rewatch it. I think we need to have like a, a conversation about it. It's like, it's very— it's a highly contested movie, you know, cuz people are like, I'm team SJP, you know what I mean? You'll see. Um, how did I get— oh, the In Memoriam plate.

It's like so random.

Um, the In Memoriam was actually actually really sweet. I enjoyed that. I feel like they could have given a little bit more to Catherine O'Hara. They should have had like, um, the Levy's—

Levy's— Dan Levy?

No, not him, the older one.

Gene Levy?

Yeah, they like worked together for like 100 years. They should have had him come. Like, she like— yeah, they should deserve the same level, and they just sort of like kind of brushed Catherine. I know people are mad because Eric Dane and James Van Der Beek were both not included. Having said that, um, I do— I feel like they have to cap it to feature film people. They were both TV actors, which of course, like, they deserve to be honored.

But like, if we're including everyone in a movie—

I don't think so.

Like, for real, I guess. Okay, that's tough. But they should have just like done it for the people because it always happens like that where they leave out like the more famous people who have passed, and it's like, just include them.

I know, but like, if I actually—

then if we should— yeah, yeah, the buck has to end.

We know, friends, we don't need the In Memoriam to be like any longer. It was really long last night, although I did enjoy it. But there wasn't a singer. So I thought that was missing.

Then we have Best Director. Went to One Battle After Another. They were the big winners last night. Along—

you know, did you know that the director of One Battle After Another is married to Maya Rudolph?

No, I didn't.

Huge night for Maya Rudolph because she also—

also the bridesmaids got together.

I was cracking up at the letter thing. You mean Skarsgård? Oh my God, that was so funny.

Skarsgård, he's so classic.

I know him from something.

Why was he getting like so much play? I never saw that guy before.

Dad of Alexander. And like, there are 3 Skarsgård and Peter Alexander.

I'm sorry, this is just not—

he's a Mamma Mia. I didn't see Mamma Mia.

It's not a common last name. It has to be.

Of course, of course. But like, so Alexander and the guy from An Education, my favorite movie, they're brothers? Peter. Oh, he's married to Maggie Gyllenhaal.

He is.

Oh, Peter's not related. Okay, so, okay, so maybe just Alexander and the— they're both like—

and he's from—

yeah, I guess Peter's not— yes, yes, yes, yes, True Blood. Yeah, yeah, he's hot.

Um, so yeah, that sketch, I was Oh, I was cracking. It's so funny. And Wendy McLovin Lavoie spoke out. Oh wait, about why she wasn't there.

Why?

Because she had a neck lift. She said there's no drama. I imagine like getting the call— imagine getting the call that like the bridesmaids are doing a reading, and it's probably like a week or two in advance, and she's like, so she already had the pleasure.

Yeah, I would have still went or had it on the schedule. It's so Wendy to like put on a neck brace, you know? She must be in really bad shape.

Yeah. I don't know, I could understand not wanting to go, but like, we'll see you in 20 years.

I love her.

I love her too, but I don't feel like she was a main character.

I know, I didn't feel like anyone was missing.

I didn't feel like her absence was glaring.

I will say, the fact that she was a main character with, you know, the 5 of those women on stage, like, they individually were all wearing like 5 of the ugliest dresses I've ever seen. And like, all of them together, it was actually quite shocking, with the exception of Rose Byrne. She looked okay, but like, I was shocked.

I thought Kimmy Schmidt looked good.

It was okay.

And Kristen Wiig, there was no cohesion.

She is, she's like a fashion girl now.

And Maya Rudolph looked lovely. And Melissa McCarthy. No, Melissa McCarthy was terrible.

No, I love Melissa McCarthy. I think it was terrible. Like the 5 of them together, there was just no cohesion. Like it was just, it was not working for me.

Speaking of cohesion, Devil Wears Prada had big moments. Oh, and Wintour presented with Anne Hathaway.

You know what?

And then there was a couple commercials and like, you know, integrated brand commercials.

So I wanna talk about her presenting.

Anna Wintour.

And she did make a funny joke when she was like to Anne Hathaway, thank you, Emily. Like, funny. And she delivered it actually. Slay. I just have one little critique because, you know, she's finally leaning in. The movie was like such a big hit when it came out, and I think it was probably like her worst nightmare come true. Like, although I do feel it was very beneficial in cultivating this like kind of like slight image of her, right? She's this legend. There's a movie about her. And her never having even acknowledged it, like, was kind of cool. Knowing she hated it and kind of blacklisted Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway, like that's losery. But her getting involved, now I liked it, but part of me was like, it was kind of cooler when she didn't, you know?

Yeah, but I do think the idea of her presenting for best costume works with Anne. It was cool. Don't do too much of it. I fear she might be in the movie a lot. Anna? I don't know, I just feel like she's really participating.

Oh God, if she's in the movie, that's bad.

Yeah, also, When you recapped the premise of this next movie, it's like she's the head of features, Emily.

And my idea was better.

But it also seems like she's like trying to, um, just based on the trailer that I saw, it seems like they're trying to like, uh, you know, wokefy her and like make, you know, I feel like, oh, and it's like, yeah, workplace harassment of Miranda.

Yeah.

It seems like she has a shadow who's like an HR person. It's like, you can't say that.

That's funny.

That seems to be like what's happening in the movie.

I just think like Anne Hathaway going back to work work at Runway, like, is so incongruous with the Andy that we knew. And I thought my premise for—

what was your premise again?

That, like, Andy, you know, we check in 20 years later and she's, like, you know, running features at, like, New York Magazine, like, somewhere, like, literary. And she's doing a feature and she gets the job of having to, um, do, like, a big profile, or, like, maybe Miranda's retiring or something, like. And she follows her for, like, a month. They go to Fashion Week. And then I just thought that would be better because her working at Runway, like, that—

Jarlsberg, she would never Yeah, what's Jarlsberg?

Oh, there's like $8 worth of Jarlsberg on that. Literally the best line. And I hope Adrian Grenier's character died. Like, I hope he's not in it at all. Worth literally the villain of that movie. You think it's Meryl Streep?

No, it's fucking Grenier. It's 1,000% him.

Like, she just gets the job and she comes to like cocktails with all of her friends, the yellow-belly losers, and she brings them gifts. Like, she brought the Marc Jacobs bag, like so cute. And her phone starts ringing and they all, especially Adrian Grenier, they like pass her phone around. I was like, she just brought you fucking gifts. She brought that chubby one a phone. Like, are you kidding? That movie actually pissed me off with that group of friends.

No, we're supposed to like be with them and be like, oh, are we up to the job?

I was never with them.

No, ever. Something—

no.

What else happened?

Okay, let's go through the awards.

Okay, actor in a leading role went to Michael B. Jordan in Sinners, not Timothée Chalamet.

I really loved his speech. Like, it was so sweet. He says that like he really felt like everyone in this room, like the industry, like really champions him and believes in him, and it's something he doesn't take for granted, and he's so proud. He's like, I'm gonna keep crushing it, I'm gonna keep doing just good work because everybody, you know, people in the theaters and then people in this industry just believe in me. It was a really good speech.

Everyone does believe in him.

I think he's just like a well-liked, affable, talented guy.

Yeah.

Um, and he thanked Hailee Steinfeld, who couldn't be here because she's, you know, getting ready for that baby. I thought maybe— he spoke kind of fast— I thought maybe he said she had the baby by accident, but no, he didn't. She didn't.

Yeah, I don't feel like she did.

Me neither. I think she actually could have went to the Oscars, but like, stay at home. Yeah, she wasn't nominated.

Her movie was nominated a thousand times over. I really feel like she's not really been that publicly associated with the movie as much as like other people have.

Yeah.

Um, actress in a leading role went to Jessie Buckley in Hamnet.

Oh, stop. Her speech, like, actually was making me cry. It was Mother's Day in the UK. She's British and her mom was there, and it was just like— and she just became a mom. She has an 8-month-old, and it was just— it was really beautiful.

Oh, for the mamas.

I kind of want to see the Hamnet. Hamnet? Okay, Hamnet. The Hamnet.

Hamnet.

It looks good.

Oh, he had a funny joke saying like Hamnet and begonia movies about Deli Meats.

Yeah, right.

Um, actor in a supporting role, Sean Penn in One Battle After Another, who did not attend the ceremony.

You know, I was kind of confused, um, and I don't know if this has been happening all award season and I just realized it, but didn't know what was happening. Jacob Elordi plays Frankenstein and he was nominated for Best Supporting Actor in the movie Frankenstein. Like, how are you a supporting actor in the movie named Maybe the person, like, the person who made Frankenstein.

I forget, like, his— yeah, maybe it's like his story and he made Frankenstein.

Got it. It was like the Frankenstein prequel. It's always the Frankenstein—

actually, Frankenstein prequel. Frankenstein was everywhere. I was like, this movie came out?

Yeah, it swept in like costume design, makeup, artistry, casting. Of course.

Um, then we have actress in a supporting role, which meant to Amy Madigan in Weapons. Oh, Weapons was the one that he was dressed as in the opening sketch. Yeah.

I actually like really didn't like having heard of that movie.

Like really? I didn't even see that person, that the picture from the movie.

Yeah.

So when he dressed up in the makeup, I said, what's happening?

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I could see how that would be confusing for someone.

Right. And the kids were running after him. I never saw that.

Got it. Got it.

So that's definitely like, did you ever see that? No. And like, so I was just like Hollywood. It wasn't until I started to see like F1 and Sinners and Marty Sputnik. I'm like, oh, this is a roundup of the movies.

This was also the first year they gave out an Oscar for casting. Yes, and I believe the woman who won was the one who cast One Battle After the Other. Um, I do feel like it's never too late to give the Oscar to Hairspray. I agree, and I'll just wait for that to happen.

Or for Annie Live casting, not a feature film, live production. Well, maybe next year there'll be a category for best live production of a live production. Adapted screenplay, One Battle After Another. Sure. Original screenplay, oh, that's a major category. Someone who didn't base it off of a a book or something that came before it. And that went to Sinners.

Yes, I actually think, I was thinking about that too, because when they were doing the packages of the nominees, it was like based on the, based on the, and I was like, girl, nobody has an original idea. And I think, I forget whose speech that was. Maybe it was Ryan, the guy who wrote Sinners, just like talking about—

Ryan Coogler.

Yeah, about like original ideas. And I was like, yes, original ideas.

I love those. Animated feature film went to K-Pop Demon Hunters, of course.

They also won for song, and I want to say, like, the Oscars did the most disgusting thing. Like, I felt like vomiting. Did you see the—

taking the stand, mic stand?

The girl spoke and then she passed it off to the guy, and the second she did, they cut to Conan and turned off the lights. And so everybody started booing, and we went back and we saw that the mic had been drawn down, the music was on, and the lights went off. And like, we all just sort of stood there, and then Conan cut to a commercial break. I think these people are disgusting.

Yeah, and it's like—

Oh, and we have to watch two award speeches for the tie?

Right, but also the point of this award show is like to give out awards. Like if you need to cut back on your bits and nonsense so that the people can have their moment for the point of this award show, like just let them.

No, I felt— and he wasn't like a bigwig, you know, this is like his first time maybe ever gonna be on this stage. Like let the man speak. I felt really sick.

And the K-pop demonetizers took over the world.

And I don't know, just do that to someone famous. You would never, right?

You would never.

Just like a little guy who wrote a song. I was really upset.

Biggest song of the year. I didn't realize K-pop Demon Hunters was animated. I thought it was live action.

No, I know, but I— much like Cynthia—

unlike Cynthia Erivo, but I love it just the same. Of course, never saw it, but I, I love it.

Shout out to Diane Warren. She lost for the 18th year in a row.

Oh, for song?

I didn't think her Kesha song was going to be the one that cinched it, especially when Golden was in the category. Um, I do believe she will win And I'm sorry that that happened.

Yeah, yeah, Golden, like, there— no one stood a chance. One, it's the biggest song of the year, and two, I've not heard of any of these songs, right? Um, original score went to Sinners. Cinematography, Sinners. Sinners was the big winner of the evening.

Sinner the winner.

One Battle. One Battle was actually the big—

they won the big—

no, and they won 6 awards and Sinners won 4.

Got it, got it. Um, and they won Best Picture, and that's the big one. Oh my God, we have to talk about Teyana Taylor. She's so fucking funny. So when her movie won, she was like one of the first people to rush on stage. She couldn't believe it. She put the director, Maya Rudolph's husband, in a headlock. She was like, yeah, like gave him a noogie. It was so funny. Um, and then they had 3 statues and when they gave the, uh, nominations, they were like, they said the 3 people, it was obviously like the 2 director, the director, producer, whatever. Um, and I don't know if Teyana like thought that it was hers, but she was holding onto the, the entire time. And like the woman who was one of the people who— I don't know who wins when the movie gets the award, but like it's the director, the executive producer, whatever. She like didn't get one. It's like, right up— like Leonardo DiCaprio standing there holding nothing. Tiana's like, oh my God. She was being so fucking funny. Like, we need her to be in more movies of this caliber because she's actually brought a lot to the awards circuit.

Like, she's always best dressed. Yeah, but she has so much personality at sometimes these like stuffy events. When she put the guy in a headlock, I actually She was freaking out. She was so happy. It was honestly a— she is a delight to watch, like very joyful. I was cracking up.

That's hysterical. It was. So those were the big winners. As far as fashion, any best favorite dress?

No, like everyone just wears nice dresses, you know?

Yeah, I thought everyone looked nice.

Yeah. Oh, actually, I didn't like Kylie's, not to be negative.

So Kylie looks amazing. She's the most beautiful woman on the planet and she can do no wrong. It wasn't my favorite of Kylie's looks.

It was a cheap dress. Like it was so like not—

she had worn this Schiaparelli dress a few months back, I think, to a show, and she had said in— it was actually in an interview— that like she felt like it didn't get enough shine and that like we should do it again. And so it's the same dress but in red. Now I just like don't love red, and I don't love sparkles, and I don't love red sparkles.

Cutouts.

I don't love cutouts.

That's what I mean, it's like Shein.

Yeah, it was like a play on Jessica Rabbit. It's just like it wasn't my favorite, but like she is the most beautiful woman.

I wonder if Timothée was upset.

About her dress?

Him losing. No, he didn't reprimand her when he got home that her dress wasn't pretty?

Yeah, I was bummed for her that she has to go deal with that. I know, like that ego, you know, after everything that he said. And I think we all thought Timothée was gonna win because he said he was gonna win, you know? Like, what do you mean? The whole time he was like, this is the greatest movie, this is the— like, I'm gonna win the Oscar. Like, and so we're like, yeah, Timothée's gonna win the Oscar. And so I don't know if that's like how he actually felt and now he's coming down from his high horse, or he's just like projecting that, you know, manifesting into the world. I feel like he should be okay. He has so much more ahead of him.

So young.

He will win an Oscar in his life. But I did feel really, really for Kylie that she has to like go home and take care of that.

And like, yeah, bummer.

Yeah, yeah, big bummer. But I guess that's part of being like the wife of— the wife of— I'm sure like Taylor deals with it with Travis.

Beyond his like addict— like behavior.

Yeah, like seriously, the high highs and low lows is all— it's so true.

You can't have it all.

They did go to the Vanity Fair Oscar party together. They were touchy-feely on the carpet, so at least they partied hard.

An outfit that— because there were so many outfits, right? Everybody goes to the Oscars, wears their best, and then And then everybody goes to the Oscars, and then people who didn't go to the Oscars also go to the Vanity Fair. It was like kind of a— like, it's like a lot of information. But I will say, like, someone that really stood out was Kendall Jenner's Vanity Fair. Yeah, it was kind of like insane.

I loved that dress. I would have loved to see Kylie in it, like literally. Yeah, Kylie wore it like— she looked amazing. Again, it was like black sparkly with feathers. Like, I don't like sparkly feathers. Yeah, um, Kim was there.

Yeah, it was giving like kind of like 2012 Kanye era, like with a smoky eye.

It was, and like the hair.

Yeah, I liked it, but like It's just weird.

Look nice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think it's a place where you look nice. You don't go and like set a new trend. You don't go to set a new trend. You go to look your best. I think you could meet a guy, you could meet a girl.

It's true.

It's eligible people and you just want to look nice and you want to be able to move through the room. You don't want to have like a huge gown. Like, we're just having drinks and we're having—

it's fun.

Yeah, it's not like the Met Gala where it's like I need people to carry me and walk with me and I can't walk on my own two feet. Like, no, we need to be mobile. We need to be looking chic and pretty. Classically pretty. So I feel like everyone really looked that way.

Yeah, nobody embarrassed themselves at Vanity Fair.

People— not yet, though.

People mostly don't in terms of looks.

Yeah, yeah. So that's your Oscars recap. I think that's everything. Are you ready for our next story?

I am.

Okay. Oh, some crazy TV news. Access Hollywood has been canceled along with Caramo and Steve Wilkos as NBCU—

if we're talking about Access But like, Steve Wilkos being canceled is really crazy.

And really?

Yeah, like he's OG, um, like more Jerry Springer.

He's Jerry's old security guard and then he got his own show. And it's obviously like, I just want to say, I had no idea that was happening. I never heard Steve Wilkos before. So fun fact about me is actually went to a taping of the Jerry Springer Show. It's like kind of my favorite. It's kind of formed you as a woman.

Absolutely. It was, um, a formative experience. My friend Rachel, um, it was her birthday and she was like, I'm taking you guys like on a mystery bus ride. She like took us to Connecticut and until we like pulled up. I had no idea where we're going. Um, and we went to the place where they film Maury, Jerry Springer, Steve Wilkos.

That's how I know.

Um, and Maury was actually not in season, so he wasn't taping. Jerry was. I got a hat.

I also met Jerry Springer.

I don't know if I mentioned that. Um, because his social media manager was obviously like a brother at the time, and she saw my stories that I was there, and she was like, do you want to meet Jerry? And I was like, do I want to meet Jerry? I'm sure. I mean, he was really lovely. Like, like, you forget that he hosts this crazy show. He looked like seriously someone's grandpa. Um, and he was like, so nice to meet you, let's take a picture. I hope I never see you on my show. Um, have a good day. Yeah, I said, thanks So back to Steve Wilkos. That's devastating. But I do feel like that era of cable TV is so— I can't believe he's still on the air.

Yeah. And Karamo. But Access Hollywood, I feel like, is the biggest one. And Access Live, um, in a major strategic shift for the company, they will not be renewed.

I mean, it's really hard for some reason for like pop culture entertainment TV programs to survive in this climate.

I wonder why.

Which like, it's crazy because that's literally what we grew up watching.

Who's putting them on notice?

I don't know why they have a hard time like moving digitally. Like Access should have become like a huge digital program. Like same with E! News. It's insane that these franchises can't keep it up, but it's probably because there's so many— well, not so many, like one amazing daily pop culture podcast that's sort of putting them out of business.

Yeah. Do you feel— I didn't think about it this way until we're having this conversation— do you feel personally responsible?

No, we don't interview celebrities. Like we actually, we have nothing to do, and all we do is like say mean things that people are thinking.

Like, so you don't think it was just like us?

No, no, I actually don't. No.

And we actually were on Access a couple times.

I, I want to say, love my Access family.

I actually— we had the most amazing experiences. Um, I was just on it the other day for, uh, Messinger.

I love— they're always having me on. I'm going to be devastated. This is a huge loss for me. I've been on like 5 times. Every time I need to do press, I pitch them. And I just want to say, it's all Toasters. That woman Trisha, like, shout out, you're a fucking real one. Like, I'm never going to work in this town again. This sucks.

Of course.

Like, fucking sucks.

The one show that has us on.

Yeah, that loves us. Like, literally loves us. Everybody loves us! They do. When I was talking to them last time, there was two toasters. They were like, oh, when the Zoom was over, like, can we come over? Where's Jackie? Are you in Jackie's house? Because I was doing the press in your house. This sucks.

I'm so sorry.

Yeah, me too. And Mario Lopez. And the hosts are so like—

And Kit.

Kit, yeah. She'll get a job.

Yeah. They're so talented and they're like really entertainment journalists. And we do still need that, you guys.

I know, but you know, Vanity Fair, I was actually watching all these clips like literally not a journalist in sight. For Vanity Fair, I think official, it was Brittany Broski, Quinn, and therapists.

Oh wow.

Yeah, for next—

sort of like Suite Life on Deck with Hannah Montana.

Yeah, for The Cut, it was Sierra Miller from Summer House.

Okay.

Um, for Amelia, Chicken Chop, she was, I think, official Oscars.

Okay.

Yeah, not a journalist in sight. And you know what's so funny is actually Jake Shane was just on the Rolling Stone podcast, and all he's— they were getting deep. They were asking really good questions, um, and they were asking about this like line between journalism and influencing. And Jake was like, I'm not a journalist. I don't like pretend to be.

Insulting to call him a journalist.

I don't pretend to be. I don't do journalism. And if like somebody comes on my show and says something like crazy and I get like a big scoop and they want to take it out, like, I'm extremely gracious. I take out everything that people ask me to take out because I'll get another big guest, another thing will happen, and I just want people to have really enjoyed their time. So like the total opposite of how traditional journalism would treat like a subject. It was a good interview.

Well, then we need a new word for it because Jake Shane isn't not, not a journalist, and he's not an influencer either.

He's sort of like just a friend, do you know what I mean? Like everybody likes him.

No, but there are a couple people like Jake, and just like the conversation we had about the new— so, you know, Game of Crowns and Alex, who were like, if they're not journalists—

Royal Court.

Yeah, Game of Crowns. Close. Yeah, if they're not— they're not not journalists, they're something. There's something new, right?

Right. And like, if they're going to be replacing journalists, then I just think on red carpet at like these highbrow events, like, you do sort of need like a Kelty.

Yeah, yeah, she was there, by the way, doing a Justin too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I agree. I'm not like—

we still need some, but like these digital outlets, like now red carpets, like I don't watch them on TV, they're all on TikTok. You see the clips. So they, they tap TikTok, right? So I get it, and I don't think it's as exciting to watch him be interviewed by like a no-name journalist. Like, I get that, I do. Um, but it's an imperfect solution.

Yeah, but you know what, I think much like a lot, like it will work itself out, you know, and the cream rises. But we will miss access and Steve Wilkos and Karamo.

I didn't know Karamo was still on the air.

I, I didn't know. And that— and now he's not. Are you ready for our next story?

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Our next story, Harry Styles was on SNL. He hosted and he kissed Ben Marshall. And I don't know that we would've known that he hosted had he not done that.

Mm-hmm.

So he's addressing the queerbaiting allegations by kissing comedian Ben Marshall during his monolog.

I just wanna say like, not to be a wokie, He is a big queerbaiter, do you know what I mean? I didn't know that word actually until Harry Styles a few years ago. And it's like, yeah, he does talk a lot, dress like a lot of very androgynous, very, you know, his music videos, it's like, but he exclusively dates women. And he does call it in interviews, says he's queer, but like, are you? So I guess this was his way of addressing it, quite literally leaving me more confused than ever.

Confused in what sense? About his sexuality or about how seriously he takes the queerbaiting allegations? And if he is doing more queerbaiting by kissing Ben Marshall?

Well, he is, because I just— it just looked like that was the first time he kissed a boy. Like, do you know what I mean? It wasn't giving like, I do this all the time. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Um, I didn't actually watch SNL. I don't watch.

No, I, I didn't realize he was hosting. I genuinely would not have heard anything about it. Good thing that he kissed Ben Marshall his whole episode would have just gone in the bin.

Did his Netflix live concert come out yet?

It should have, given how we reported on the details.

Okay, I don't know why I just feel like this era— and sometimes an artist just does an era that's not for you. Like, we were talking about that with Kacey Musgraves, you know? I feel like this particular Harry era is not for me, um, and so I'm just sort of— it's just passing me by, and I'm okay with that.

You know what I just realized? Harry Styles will be on Namesake.

Not if we keep talking about him in the way that we are.

So I just thought this was the most amazing SNL episode. And the album's incredible. Really? Did you listen to it? Forwards and backwards.

I heard a song, it's called American Girls. It's actually really cute. I've known you for ages. See how it goes. As an American girl. He does love an American girl.

Yeah, it came on my Alexa yesterday.

Olivia Dean. Not Olivia Dean. I'm cracking up. I was just thinking about how he used to date Olivia Dean. But did he? Well, that's—

that doesn't stick.

Well, it obviously doesn't stick because I brought her up on the toast when I heard that they were dating years ago. And then I started seeing videos of her performing way before she was famous, and I said to you, Jackie, I think you'd really like this girl. I need to find that clip. It was like literally in 2022. I'm like, I saw her.

I'm like, Jackie just had a baby.

I said, she dresses really fabulously. Like, I think you would really like her.

Yeah, no, you were definitely right. But maybe because I just had a baby, I just couldn't take on a new artist. Oh, what I was trying to say was that Lisa Bonet was there, so like it's getting serious.

Oh yeah, and Zoe Kravitz was there, and Lisa Bonet, and Kind of a big deal.

Yeah. But no, you know, forgoing namesake for a second and just putting it—

Forgoing namesake. Yeah.

The best interest of the discussion forward. It's giving flop. Right.

Are we unique in our appeal? Because I do really feel like sometimes like you just aren't the targeted person for music or era or whatever.

That's where we have to check in with Margo Walsh from time to time.

Yeah, right. Or the listeners, like sound off. Like, are you— is this era like giving you everything? Cuz I, I did watch a bunch of like, um, music people's reviews on the album. I, I was interested in seeing a couple of people I follow, um, and overwhelmingly it's been— not that it's a bad album, but it's like very meh. Like, and especially, I, I think I agreed with this too, the messaging has been very misleading cuz everyone thought they were tuning into like a pop— yeah, yeah, and disco is like very on trend. Like ABBA's coming back, like everyone loves San Francisco. So, um, it's not that. It's actually one of his more like reflective and sad albums.

Somber, but not capital S.

I gotta tell you, I'm loving that Somber. I know, that song keeps coming up on my TikTok. Um, I don't wanna be a homewrecker. I'm telling you, he's got rizz.

Yeah, no, they're on to something with Somber.

Yeah, and, um, Homewrecker is his new song, and Kelly Clarkson covered it and she crushed it.

Like, yeah, well That's—

oh, and then they had like a really kind of trendy music video for it. Somber was in it, Quinn, and Milo, who beat— who Bobby Bones beat on Dancing with the Stars.

What was he doing there?

So I think the song is about a homewrecker, so it's like one guy, two girls, like maybe like he's being a homewrecker on Quinn and Rapunzel boy.

Okay.

Yeah. Okay. So he's like a young person, and I feel like he's doing really good.

Yeah. And I think Harry Styles is like— these old tropes are not gonna work anymore.

Well, I also think, and I, I find this very promising, what we were talking at— the music that is doing well with young people right now, thankfully, is like very joyful music.

That's what I've been saying.

Somber— Olivia Dean, Ray, um, Alex Warren. Alex— well, his is like a little more emo, but I mean like the viral, like really the big artists right now, like they're doing joyful music and like light, colorful. I feel like for a while, like, kids were like obsessed with being depressed and like wearing black makeup. And now it's like, yeah, I want to dress like Olivia Dean and I want to wear sparkles and like, it's very— let my hair down. Like, it's very joyful.

That's why I have tapped back in. I don't know if you guys noticed that.

We have, we have.

And I think that's great. And it's not a change in me, it's like a change in the culture.

It is.

I think it's good for younger people.

I think it's good for young people's health as well.

Yeah, I agree. I think it's a really great trend. Yeah, more of that please, bestie.

And that like was Harry's thing. Like, yeah, the outfits, the feathers, I don't know what's going on with herself.

Yeah, I think he's like, I don't know, it's hard. It's really hard to follow up something like really fantastic. It's honestly a rite of passage to like have this moment.

It's true.

Um, and I feel, I feel for him. But like, like I said, this is something that the female pop stars deal with all the time throughout their careers, every minute of it.

Like Katy Perry listening to this conversation, she's like, yeah, welcome to my life.

Yeah. Like it's never enough. You always have to be next, better, more. Yes.

Bigger. Yeah, totally.

And same goes for Harry.

If you wanna be in the pop space, especially if you want to take so much time off like so many people really did. Benson Boone, they say he's like, I want to be Harry Styles. But you know what, he does that like very Moonbeam Ice Cream, positive joy, very Meghan Trainor coded, you know.

I love Benson Boone. I like him too, music. I don't know him as a person.

I think he's a nice boy.

I've never seen an interview. Me neither. We could have him on Namesake because he's the same name as your husband, right?

Ben, Ruben.

So we could also have Bens and Zachs and Jackies and That opens up. We have to have more interviews. We're only gonna have like 6.

No, it's supposed to be a limited series, Jaget.

No, no, but it will still be limited.

It's supposed to be limited.

It will still be limited.

Okay.

We could have Olivia Dean on.

Yeah, we could.

We could make that concession for her. Yeah. We could have Margot Robbie.

We could. Yeah. If, if we were open to that.

Our next story is actually a great segue.

Okay.

Into Elle Fanning's next role. She is playing—

It better be the Nightingale.

OnlyFans creator. From Margo's Got Money Troubles, which is—

I saw, I saw people talking about this and I knew it because it was a Redheads book.

So we could have her on Namesake to promote Margo's Got Money Troubles.

Okay, now people's characters count.

Okay, listen, we have to think creatively. We're just going to hit a dead end. The future, we have to hit a dead end. And she reveals that she created an OnlyFans account to prep for her latest role. So if you don't know, Margo's Got Money Troubles is about, um, a young mom who turns to OnlyFans cuz she just had a baby and she needs money. And Elle Fanning is playing Margo in Margo's Got Money troubles.

Elle Fanning is kind of like a— she works a lot, so I don't think of her so much as like a Daisy Edgar-Jones, but like she's always getting tapped for adaptations.

Yeah, um, well, she's always getting tapped, period. She's at every single Oscars for a different movie, of course, because it's a new year.

What's so funny is I was thinking about her last night. Her movie won, um, International Feature Film, and she was on stage. She's so cute. And it's like crazy how like she was Dakota Fanning's sister and now like Dakota's her sister, you know what I mean?

No, and it's crazy how every movie that she picks like winds up getting nominated for everything. Like, she's a really good picker, or they just like look at movies that she's in.

I don't know how it works. How that— no, she has a good picker for sure.

What came first?

So she's supposed to be doing The Nightingale, which is a book adaptation. She's now doing another book adaptation, and she's also playing Paris and Nicole. Yeah, you want to know what it is?

She's kind of ageless.

Like, how old is she? She's either like 23 or 35, you know?

She's 27, so she's smack in between. Perfect. Yeah, and I love her. She's playing an OnlyFans creator in the movie adaptation of Margo's Got Money Trouble. So that will be interesting.

And she's so, um, like serious looking. She reminds me a lot of my friend Margo Fish, like very porcelain-like skin, very— then you hear her talk and she's like kind of crazy.

Yeah, she's like friends with Timothée, so Kylie, right?

And Kylie and her were chatting quite a bit. I don't know if you saw, they were sitting right next to each other.

Yeah, they're best friends, cuz also from Bob Dylan circuit, the worst. You know, I was thinking about Bob and Monica Barbaro. I'm sure she feels left out.

Okay, so I was thinking about literally that last night. It's just so— and we talk about this with music a lot, but I don't think we talk about it with like the Oscars, cuz when Mikey Madison came out, she won won the— she gave the award for Best Actress because she had won the previous year. And I was like, last year you couldn't leave your house, Mikey Madison, Mikey Madison, Mikey Madison, Anor Anor. And did she work? Like, I literally didn't see her in one thing after that. It's crazy how you can be it, on top of the world, belle of the ball, Hollywood girl, and then I never hear from you again.

Yeah, Mikey Madison, she might have filmed something that she might have gotten jobs from the Oscars that haven't come out yet. So like, maybe that— here's a long time, but like, think of like 3 years ago who won and like where are they now, you know?

Right.

It just feels like every year. Yeah, yeah.

And then who were you saying that about? Wait, how do we get here?

Dakota and Monica Barbaro and the gang.

So then, yeah, the girl gang. Monica Barbaro last year was like, she was ever an it girl. All at once she's so pretty. I never saw her again. Yeah, I saw the movie that she was in. What happened to her?

What movie?

Bob Dylan.

Oh yeah, yeah, such a bad movie. Maybe she's like working on her next big thing.

Apparently everyone is.

We'll are. Yeah. Um, so I'm very excited for this movie, even though I didn't like love— actually, I like the book. It was fine. It was a little too like OnlyFans specific, you know? If like OnlyFans changes, like if they have a user website change, like everything in the book is sort of like—

oh, that's interesting.

It was about how like you couldn't even link your OnlyFans on your Instagram link in bio. Like, you have to use Linktree. And I was just like, that's really in the weeds. Very—

yeah, technical.

Yeah, very technical. So it makes sense that she joined OnlyFans in order to like walk around the Sight.

Well, it sounds like a great premise for a movie.

Yeah, it does.

So I actually will be seeing this.

It does. And the casting is really good. Michelle Pfeiffer plays her mother and Nick Offerman plays her dad, who's a former pro wrestler. And yeah, that's so Nick Offerman. In the words of the Redheads, that feels right.

TFR.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story? We're gonna do Slammow recap because news just broke that production is paused on Slammow right now after Taylor and Dakota have a blowup.

Okay, so this— and this is after—

this is yesterday.

So this is after the season of The Bachelorette has already been filmed.

on right now. And production on The Secret Lives of Morgan Wise has hit an unexpected pause, and it's all due to a heated blowup between Taylor and Dakota, TMZ has learned. Sources connected to the series tell us that production is currently shut down after drama with the show's star Taylor Frankie Paul and her baby daddy Dakota Mortensen erupted while filming for season 5, causing cameras to go down for the time being. It's unclear exactly what sparked the fight, but sources say the situation became intense enough that filming couldn't continue as planned.

So I feel like— I mean, this is so Dakota Taylor. They had a domestic violence call. Like, they are no stranger to like police drama, whatever. Um, but I do feel like a lot of Taylor's goodwill is like with the fans and the like the audience, the watchers, is really kind of dwindling. And this is not going to help her. I don't know why they didn't like edit the show, position Taylor just to be a little bit more favorable. You want to go in liking The Bachelorette, and I have like a lot of doubts now. And then this like, I just feel like I didn't want them to lie to us, and this is clearly what was going on in her life. But like, it's not gonna be good. It's gonna be like a good drama season, but it's not a serious—

okay, I have two conflicting thoughts with the two thoughts conflict each other. So here's one case scenario that like she kind of pulls a Claire Crawley this season and fucks up the season. Like, what are the odds that she makes it all the way to the end, gets with one person, gets engaged, that person is not Dakota to Chase or Ben the singer, and we have a Bachelorette season. So all of this might be preparing us for how things go so sideways on her season, if they go sideways. The other thought is that my memory when it comes to these things is so short. I know Bachelorette premieres next week, but it will take place over the series of months, and by the time I'm watching the last episode, I will not remember what I watched on, uh, Hulu right now. And so like, even with Demi and like when Whitney was the villain, like I'm sat, I'm watching, and I'm like, yeah, you're bad, and the minute I turn it off, I turn a new page.

And I think the women mostly do too. Like, it's actually crazy how at the beginning of this season, Jesse was like not even that mad at Demi. They met for a couples counseling session. Like, I do think they all have short memory spans, and, and for the sake of the show, they know they kind of need to move on.

And I think the audience has short memory spans too. And I think that Hulu is like maybe playing into that, knowing that we're getting a great season of Slomo, everyone will digest it, move on. And then when Taylor Frankie Paul— probably the show premieres next week, so that gives everyone on 2 weeks to watch the show, process it, and then I think the first episode of her Bachelorette, if she is intent on like going through the season—

this news kind of derails what you just said.

Yes, but it could be— this could mean a million things. This could mean like, you know, Taylor's mental health, she needed a break, like, and I think she does need a break, and I think the show needs—

by the way, she's so skinny, like not in like a parchy way, like she looks so worn down.

She looks very, very tired. I I think the show needs a break, one for like content's sake, because we're watching the reunion, talking about the reunion, like give them a day to live and then tell us about it.

All while like breastfeeding their babies.

Yeah. And I think the, the women need a break, but it, it wouldn't even be to the detriment of the show. It would be better for the show if they took a couple months off and they were like, here's what you missed in the last few months. 'Cause so much happens every single day, but not enough to film every single day because then we're seeing the conversation, we're seeing this person tell this person about the conversation, this person tell that person about about the conversation, all about a conversation about something that happened that I no longer care about. So I think they need to like just pause for a lot of different reasons. Um, but I do think that we will be able to process this season, and then her first episode of The Bachelorette, if she does wind up with a new person and goes through the whole season, they will dive extensively into her past to the point where we no longer talk about it.

Yeah, but her past is her present because she's getting whatever. Was there police? What was it?

It didn't say police, just something intense happened and they have to— but it's like, how intense does it have to be? Because you think that's when cameras are up, right? Right.

No, for cameras to drop, that's like— they never drop. They didn't even drop on the boat in Cartagena. Yeah, which was so crazy.

Um, or it's like legal.

I also think, like, totally separately, they dropped Bachelor in Paradise.

Remember when they dropped?

Right, right. I think just this is totally separate, but I do feel like, um, Taylor Frankie Paul needs a dramatic haircut. Like, I think it'll change a lot of things. Yeah, at the Oscars last night, she just had like her prom waves. And I'm like, you know what, it made me realize I feel that way about Olivia Rodrigo and her sister Margo. And our sister Margo did it and she looks great. Sometimes you need to chop.

Oh yeah, Taylor Frankie Paul was at the Oscars.

She's an ABC— like, and it was just— oh wait, so this was literally last night?

Yeah.

Where was the blowup? In LA?

Was he in LA with her, or is he just in LA because dad talk? Dad talk. And maybe he's watching the— maybe watching our ever, ever, everly, ever.

Okay, I have to say something I love about this show. Like, when they went— they all went to LA— you didn't see this yet— to go to the Dancing with the Stars premiere. Everyone rents a house, they bring husbands, babies, whatever. The women go to Dancing with the Stars and all the men stay home with the babies, and they're just like filming, having conversations, like giving the babies bottles. And there's something just like very normalized about the gender roles, like traditionally like flipping, and it's such a delight to watch. And the only one who's sort of like not going quietly into his role is Jordan, and that's why he's so hell-bent on dad Dad Talk, like becoming a thing so that they can earn and the women stay home with the babies. And it's like, stop.

Even if Dad Talk is okay, like, yeah, like just say how the Housewives of New Jersey husbands is as successful as they could ever be. The women are always gonna be more successful. They set the template.

And I think a lot of them like have really comfortably, maybe it took like a Zac Efron a minute, you know?

Mm-hmm.

But I think they're all very comfortable, like being more domestic and having their wives just make this insane amount of money. Jordan is not going quietly into the night, and he's giving off like a really toxic narcissistic behavior. And the crazy thing is that I believe him and Jesse are still together, even though— no, I think I hate him. Nobody on this earth hates him more than Jesse. And I do feel like she tolerates and puts up with a lot because she has young kids, and like, that's what you're supposed to do. And so she's a queen for that. And I know she listens to the show, so I just want to let you know, like, you're a queen, and I support whatever decision you make. But like, I hate your fucking husband. Like, hate.

Yeah, his—

like, he wears so many tank tops, he got hair plugs and veneers. Like, he's just sort of a cliché.

No, and his— just his personality is so bad. And it seems like he's doing told the girls immediately when he was the one to be like, first of all, plan the whole track, everyone we're gonna get, you know, the villa's gonna be crazy. And he's the one hyping everyone up. And then it's like, dude, you're married. Go to run and tell Jesse when he said that no one else— even like Jacob isn't telling Macy. And they're like, you know, and you know that it hurts him to do that. So he tells Jesse like for literally no other reason than the show. He is living and dying by the show.

No, he's so—

and he's so like not a really an integral part of the show. Even when he was hugging Taylor when she was crying in their closet, I'm like, get your paws off her. Like, you're so fake.

Yucky.

You hyped up Dakota to go and do this. You made everyone go.

No, no, he is the villain of this show. I cannot stand him. And I love Leila. She hates him so much.

He doesn't even care that he's the villain of the show because he's just said, oh, because he's on the show. So you, so you see, I'm on the show, so I don't have to stay at home with the kids.

I can go because I'm on the show.

Because I'm now on the villain of the show, I really have to go on the show.

And I guess he sees this because up until the show and TikTok Dad Talk. I think they were all having like normal marriages. Zach was going to, um, medical school. I think he has, out of all the men, been in this position the entire time. Jesse was always the earner in their family, which is like so not Mormon. It's so not Utah. Like, it's not traditional. So I think he's been in this prison for a while, and like he sees the show as his way out, and he's like, he's taking it.

It's not—

it's not— we hate you.

It's The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Like, Dad Talk needs to stand out.

He doesn't—

Dad Talk has to get this opportunity.

Here's the thing, he doesn't care that we hate him, Claudia. The more we hate him, the better it is for him. Like, the more that are sitting here talking about him right now enraged, the better it is for him. And if the only way he can get attention on the show is to be the villain, then he will continue to be the worst.

Separately, I appreciate—

so I think we actually all have to stop talking about him.

Great. I need to move on to Chase. I appreciate that like people on the show have like short memories and like it's kind of hard, but the Chase erasure, um, and like when they flash back to that clip of what he actually— why Macy hates him so much is because he went on a podcast and said mean things about all the girls.

His podcast. He launched a podcast to just talk about—

it's called, um, what was it called? Only Guys, something like really kind of weird. Um, whatever. When they flash back to what he actually said about Macy, I had to—

what's it called?

Only Dads. Okay. Um, I was floored when they played the clip of what he actually said. And like, the fact that Macy just sort of like has to forgive him because he's back in the fold now and we love him and like, hi, he's so funny me like, no, we don't. Like, I hate him. And I need to go back and watch like all the things he said, but what he said about Macy in particular, that the only reason she has like followers and clout is because her baby daddy died and people feel sorry for her. That's like— who can even think of something so mean to say? Like, you're the devil. And that's not how I know Macy. That's also just factually incorrect. Like, I know her from like being a mom talk, right?

And so like these girls got a mom talk, got a show, are doing well. And so your reaction is— and you're not on the show, You're someone's— someone's—

you're connected to it.

You're, you're of someone who had a crush on the main character, and eventually your ex-wife is on the show. And so your idea is to start a podcast talking about the show? Like, that is a bad faith person. And I don't care that he's like the coolest and funniest— it's like the coolest, funniest person doesn't do that.

Yeah, no, this Chase like rebrand, I don't forget. Like, I, I thought that was an insane clip.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Yeah, it's going to take a lot more than just to sit down. It is unfortunate the girls just have to forgive him. He's so cool and he's just around now, and you don't You don't want to be having beef with someone all the time. You have to let things go. Just being on a show, like, that's like Jen and Demi. Like, Jen, you have to let it go. I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.

Oh, me neither. Apparently I saw a clip and I zoomed right past it because I don't want to see, but Jen and Whitney have a huge blowup in glam in the middle of Dancing with the Stars. I don't know what it's about, but it seems like we'll get to the root of like, they were clearly hating each other on Dancing with the Stars, and it started out so nice.

Yeah, it did.

I'm so curious, like, I really am.

Yeah, but it seems like like the friction between them is Demi. Jen is hung up on Demi, and Whitney is Demi's best friend.

But a lot of them have issues with Demi, and Whitney's like navigating it quite parjuliciously. She is so gorgeous. Like, her yellow dress in those confessionals with the red hair, she looks insane. And when they flash back to her first season when she had like the little blonde bob and she had just had a baby, I'm like, that's a different person. And I actually don't even feel like she had like a whole, you know, like a facelift. She just looks like somebody who was like, we were in the throes of having a baby, motherhood, breastfeeding, um, and not a great haircut, and somebody like literally just told her to dye her hair this color, and it changed her whole life.

She's in her soft era, and now she's going hard.

She looks insane.

I'm going hard soon, you guys.

Yeah, I love that.

I'm in my soft era, but I love my soft era.

Whatever.

Like, no, I, I love it. Like, I'll miss it. Yeah, when I'm going hard, I'll be like, remember the days of when we were softy?

Beautiful.

These are soft days, but in, in so many ways.

And thank God they're not televised. You you know.

They are. Look at us, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 cameras on.

No, on like a scale like that, you know.

Yeah, but look, I mean, but also the show makes me sad because I do feel like net-net, and yeah, they have more money and success and fame and huge careers, but like, I don't feel like they're happier. I feel like most of them are less happy, except maybe for Whitney. She seems to be handling it really well. But even like Macy and Jacob are starting to crack.

I know.

Michaela and Mace.

Jace. But also Michaela. Not even— I don't even think she cares enough about her husband to like let it impact her feelings. I think just like her health. And she just seems— I was actually— I'm— I don't know if her motives behind dropping the Whitney stuff was because like it was received so poorly last season. Like she was so febissima, like so miserable when it came to Whitney, to the point that I think it endeared a lot of people to Whitney who weren't even Team Whitney. Um, or if it was like a genuine thing. I'm glad she's like sort of letting go of that. She is much more likable this season, but she just looks like somebody who's like deeply unhappy. Like, and I, I think a lot of them like don't get to like honor the newborn time. Like they're literally walking around with 3-day-old babies.

Yeah. They're, and that's also a part of the show that I like. I do feel for them, but like, oh, we're filming and I just had a baby. The baby comes everywhere.

Yeah. Oh, they bring their babies everywhere. They're always carrying a car seat.

I, which I love. Me too. Cuz that's how it is, especially they're breastfeeding. Like if you wanna go anywhere, you're baby, you have to bring the baby.

Yeah.

And so they just bring the baby and I, I feel bad that they have to do that, but it's nice that they're able to.

Yes. Agreed. I think the show makes a lot a lot of like accommodations and like supports, that sort of. But you're working so much, you like— some of it is just like you— I don't know, I just feel like they don't get to like nest.

Yeah, no, they don't. And I'm sure they like love what they're doing, but I do feel like it's start—

it's like starting to wear on some of them.

And their, their lives, like everyone thinks that's what you want. Oh my God, it would be a dream to be on a show and all the fame. And it's like, but they're not happier.

Their, their marriages are all deteriorating.

Yeah, their mental healths are deteriorating. They're doing so much all at once. They can't stop because look, their husband stopped working. Like, they can't stop.

It's all on them.

They cannot.

Yeah.

And I feel bad for them, and it's not all it's cracked up to be.

No.

And I think like Taylor is falling apart.

Oh yeah. I, I think for a lot of them, some of them have had— actually, a lot of them— Taylor, Macy, Michaela, Whitney have all been pregnant on the show. Or Whitney was like first season, just had the baby.

No. And she then after— she has been pregnant. And remember, she did she did the, the pee stick in the cake. Oh yeah, of course. Okay, so, and then she had the baby, right?

So they've all— except for Jesse. When Jesse was on the toast, she said that like she started the show postpartum, but I guess— I don't know if she's like having more kids, so like that era is sort of behind her.

And I feel like she started— she doesn't get enough credit. She started the show with like a couple-month-old.

Yeah, but I feel like in terms of all them, she's sort of positioned in like the best-ish kind of way because I don't think she's planning on having more kids. So like that era happened before the show. Like, yes, the very tail end of it was caught up in the Um, but I feel like that's just really hard.

Yeah, I think so too. And now they don't have a choice. And Leila and Miranda, yeah, are not having kids.

But, but to me, I don't know why. I know, I think they're all like the same. There's no one— they're all just castmates. But to me, Miranda and Leila feel like friends of. Yeah, even though Leila's the only one who like moves things along.

No, and Leila's like in the— has a lot of confessionals and a lot of conversations. But I agree, I feel like maybe because she started that way. She definitely started that way as a friend of. Yeah, and now it just seems like she's in that box. But she also doesn't get Like it, she doesn't get Dancing with the Stars or Bachelorette, right? Like Jen, Whitney, Taylor, Demi. What did Demi get?

Oh, not get anything, but I think all gotten like big opportunities.

Then we have Demi and Jesse who are just cast members of the show. Mm-hmm. Even though Demi is literally not a cast member.

That's true.

She's a cast member.

That's true.

Macy and Michaela, they're having babies, but they are cast members of the show.

Yep. I, I put them in with Jesse and I agree. Yeah.

And then it's just Miranda and Leila and Miranda was late and gives nothing. And Leila started as a friend of, and so she just feels that way.

But she worked her way out. Like, she's actually low-key given us a lot. Yeah, I wonder if they'll get paid the same. Did you see that they're all executive producers?

That— I was meant to say that too.

When the first credits aired, it said executive producers, all 7 or however many other names of the ladies. I love that. Yeah, that gives, uh, like, that their agents all work together. I hope that they're all getting paid the same. It wouldn't fair, except maybe Taylor.

And now, like, if they want Whitney back— oh yeah, they might have to pay her more.

But that's where things get really complicated. Jersey Shore famously all negotiated, and there were times where Snooki was clearly way more popular than Sammy. They all the whole time negotiated as a team.

It sets a really bad precedent also for the show. Like with Real Housewives, when Lisa Rinna is like, you know, Denise made $4 million, bring $4 million worth of—

right.

And then, yeah, and sometimes you can't. And I feel like it's better for producers to pay them all the same. They should all be paid really well.

When they talk about— I don't know if you're there yet, part of the reason they're mad at me is like, before she like officially quits, she's very picky and choosing. Like, they all have to stay in a house together in LA and she gets to stay at a hotel because she hates everyone. And so it's like, we're all showing up doing, you know, more work than you for a show that we're all on. And they didn't say anything about money, but maybe if they are all getting paid the same and we're doing way more than you, filming way more scenes, staying in a house, and you don't even have to film at your hotel— that makes sense.

They do talk about money sometimes because the thing is, to me and the agent and Jesse and how we'll take her money, we haven't heard anything since then. Yeah, but I also think, to me, how can she stay in a house with like all of these people who hate her? They need to figure it out. They had that kumbaya last season and they need to move forward or not. Why didn't she film for this season? Like, what is she doing?

She's like done. She's just like quit.

She's— and she's not gonna be on next season?

I don't think so.

Well, she should be. I like her. Yeah, well, even when I don't like her, like, she's a good reality TV cast member. Even when she's doing stuff that I don't like and I'm not on her team doesn't mean like— no.

And she also has like a crazy husband, which is perfect. He's really scary. Like, I do not—

when they were singing—

oh my God, how have we not talked about this? Are you okay? No. What song were they singing in? Um, True Colors.

Yeah.

What the fuck? And they didn't even say like what that was for. Was that just like an exercise to make themselves feel good, or was that like to put out as a project?

Like, maybe music is coming.

And like her yelling at him when she sounded worse than him. Like, I—

wait, you thought she sounded Worse.

Yeah. Oh, I thought—

I was just focused on like him because I'm like, oh well, now he can't do anything. She's like, flat. You're totally flat.

And I see your true colors shining through. I forgot about that. Thank you so much for bringing that up. That was crazy.

Like, that was literally crazy. And the fact that he just like stood there and like took all the criticism when like, if anybody was saying—

good man, Savannah.

No, but like, I just feel like it's like bottling up inside. Like, you know what I mean? No one can take all those shots from their part. If it was someone in the studio saying, you're flat, too much chest, but like you're literally doing every take singing your heart out and your wife is like, stupid, ugly, hate, bad, flat.

And I'm sorry, the craziest part was she sounded just as bad as him, like if not worse.

I didn't notice that.

I deeply resonated with her in the studio yelling at her husband that he sounded bad. That was—

I'm just telling you that's coming out the other end of him.

I think that they aired that scene with literally no context. Like I didn't even know that they liked to sing. I didn't know that this was something they both do. I didn't know— I like that they didn't share what this project was for, why they chose a Phil Collins song. Like, the lack of context made the whole thing so fucking funny.

All I'll say is new music might be coming.

Tune in like next—

it also might not. She should go on Masked Singer.

Actually, that's a great idea.

Yeah, like, and I feel like she's gonna go on.

Great call.

What other shows are there for singing? And for people like Traders, right?

Traders, Dancing with the Stars, Masked Singer, Special Forces.

I could see Taylor Frankie Paul in special, but after the—

no, she can't handle it. She actually— but also, I don't know if they're only allowed to do ABC shows.

Well, I'm sure ABC would let them do other shows, but they're certainly going to start with the ABC show. So what else does ABC have in terms of competitions?

Like, I feel like that's a—

we need more.

Yeah.

And then like, what happens once you've done all these shows?

Like you ascend to the next level, you do like the All-Star. Yeah, I guess like then what?

I don't know, like I guess it could take a couple years like for anyone to like— Dylan Efron, like what's he gonna do at a certain point?

Yeah, he's done a lot of them.

I'm worried.

Traders Dancing with the Stars. And what did we just say he's doing? Netflix's, um, yeah, um, they're launching a show.

Yeah, what was it?

It's one of those House of Cards.

Yeah, it was a House of Cards for sure.

Well, we're gonna continue to watch and recap. I'm on episode 5, Jackie's on episode 3, so We'll keep doing them throughout the week, maybe every like 2 days.

Yes, I'll try and watch them tonight. I want to see what's going on. Um, that's your Slammu recap for the day.

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