Transcript of Rihanna's A Mess: Monday, April 6th, 2026 New

Good morning, girlies.

It's The Toast.

It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts.

It's your favorite show, the fast 5 things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's The Toast.

I sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast and happy Monday after a big season. Pesach, everybody. I'm starving. Hey, Jax, how you doing?

I'm doing good. I'm back at home. We're back in our home studios. Frames have pride of place once again. It's exciting to be home, and I feel like we're simpatico again because— are you wearing Boisly as well? Boisly?

No, no, you're not. Oh no, I'm wearing something you could like literally never get access to or afford. I'm wearing The Gap, so—

oh, I thought—

watch your mouth.

I thought you were wearing Boisly. You know, my days with Boisly are numbered. Because Harry's like learning how to spell and read, and I can't have him reading like Boys Lie.

Oh my God, now we have to get like, women are beautiful, men are wonderful.

We're like, what are the, what are the boy mamas doing? I can't walk around in clothes all day that say Boys Lie, Boys Lie, Boys Lie.

As a boy mama, yeah, you definitely can't.

That just sends a bad message.

And these are the things like nobody talks about, the trials and tribulations of being a mom who gets free clothes from Boys Lie.

I know, I know. And it's funny because you know how they have the angels on Boys Lie? So whenever I'm wearing it, like Harry said the other day, he's like, you wear a lot of Angels.

My perceptive king. And did he say anything about how much he misses his coaches?

We're so close to being like B-O-Y-S-L-I-E. What does that spell?

Boys Lie?

Boys Tell the Truth.

How about Boys Are Wonderful?

Boys Are Honest with Their Mamas and Always Tell Them the Truth. Where's that brand?

We need to start it. Today's Monday. We haven't done an episode since Wednesday, and I just want to say I'm so grateful to everybody involved in Westman— Westman— for not— I thought there was going to be like so much breaking news that we wouldn't be able to talk about. Nothing has happened, which I'm so grateful for.

We needed a beat because I'm glad to like have a lot to talk about today. It's also so funny how this name has become Westman— and there's no, um, bit of like— Scandal was Scandal Sandoval. But now it's only the Sandoval part. There's no scandal.

No, oval, like, is scandal.

I know, but it's actually just Tom Sandoval.

So do we have any stories about Scandaval?

Lee's story is all of the updates, all the bits and bobs.

And I have some information, nothing brand new, but I, I heard from an extremely, uh, legit source. And my sources have been— I just want to say, you guys questioned my first source, like my My sources have been slaying, um, and I heard the version of events.

I would literally expect your sources to be slaying considering they're like 5 feet away from—

yeah, from stardom, from Wes Mandevall. Yeah, it's true, it's true.

Um, and also I think a lot has come out sort of like piecing together the timeline of events, and we can sort of get an idea of like what's been going on.

Yeah, I will say a lot of the versions of events that are being like spoken about on like drama channels and stuff is like pretty accurate. What I have heard, which I believe to be the truth, I've seen people reiterating similar versions of it.

Yeah, that me as well, based on what you told me. So I think we can speak with some authority as to what's been going on.

Definitely. And what else has been going on is that we had Passover over the weekend. We haven't had bread since Wednesday, and like, I'm in hell. I did not realize— maybe there was an era of my life where like cutting out all these different things would have been easier, but like I'm very much in like my carb era. And I didn't realize how all my meals have like something hametz in it, you know?

But you're still having rice, right?

No.

Oh, you're not?

No, some years like in the middle I give up and do rice because if you're from like the Middle East, if you're Sephardic, Persian.

And you are Moroccan.

My Moroccan family, yeah, they have rice. And so once you have rice, like Pesach is not hard. The Ashkenaz, like the Eastern European Jews, like the whiter toned Jews, we don't do any of it. So it's like, it's actually so hard. I've actually like— I can't talk to Sephardic people. Like, you don't know true struggle.

Yeah, like they—

I saw this Moroccan woman like making her Seder and she had like 5 rice dishes. I'm like, that's not a Seder, that's a Friday night.

Yeah.

Oh my God, speaking of Friday night, what happened? The craziest thing over the weekend.

Oh, Ben's birthday.

Yes. So it's so rare that you like make a plan and you actually follow through on it. And so when we were driving home from the Hamptons this summer We were listening, Boys Like Girls came on and Ben was like, we should go to a concert. He like looked it up. He's like always doing annoying things like that and we never go. And it happened to have been on his birthday. And so we made this plan that we were like, get a big group, get like a big limo or a party bus and go. Lo and behold, we did it on Friday. Like good on us for actually following through on a plan. I feel like that's sort of major. Um, and yeah, we just, it was, it's a weird time of year. A lot of people are out of town for Pesach and Easter. So whoever was in town, we invited like everyone and this ragtag bunch, you know, people from all walks of life, Ben's friends, my friend, college, summer, whatever.

It looks like the usuals.

It was, um, and we all loaded up on a party bus, which was literally the best part of the night. We like listened to emo music.

I love a party bus, you guys.

You don't need to like do anything, you just need to get on a party bus and just drive around. When I was at the concert and I was obviously having a blast, but a part of me was like, I wish we never got off the party bus.

I miss the bus.

Oh my God, and the funniest thing happened on the bus. So Joey Camasta was there, and it's so funny because like I know Joey through like podcasts, but I forget that he has this like huge platform. Every week he's on Jersey Shore. So we were waiting for like a couple of people, um, to get on the bus, you know, the late people, even though I told them not to be late. And so I'm texting the driver like, just, we need 3 more people. He was so nice, like waiting outside, help. And so So I'm texting him like 5 more minutes and he goes— so he texts me, I'm in the back of the bus, he goes, is that Joey, AKA Snooki's best friend from Jersey Shore? And I'm like, yep. He's like, yo, he lost mad weight.

Did you tell Joey he said that?

Of course Joey was freaking out, but Joey's used to it. Like, Joey—

no, about the weight loss part.

Of course, Joey is so skinny.

Oh really?

Yeah, he looks really good. He said he's on a lethal dose. It was just so funny and it was such a good time. The concert was so good. So like the first half of the concert, they opened up with like a song that everybody knew. And I think everybody on the bus was like surprised at like the 2 or 3 bangers that they knew. 'Cause they were like, oh, I don't know, I'm just here for a good time. Meanwhile, me and Ben are like, you know, singing every word. The first half was like new music. So it was very much like time to get merch and drinks, you know? And then Margo was looking up the set list and there was like a second act. And the second act, which was like all the hits.

If Margo's not looking up the set list, She's not Margo.

One thing about Margo, she has a premium subscription to that website setlist.fm. Like, she's obsessed with it. And I will say, sometimes it's like a vibe killer. It's like, can we just be in the moment? But in the middle, when they were playing all this new music, I'm like, Sachi, what is going on? And she was like, this is like the first act with new music. And, and I was grateful that she had her premium subscription because I was like kind of in hell. And then the second half was so good. And the funny thing is that like I think of Boys Like Girls as like this emo mosh. I put on the Partyful invitation like dress in emo garb. I had black lipstick on and when I put on my TikTok, people were like, so funny, turning black. Boys Like Girls does not require like black lipstick. I'm like, you don't. I'm like, you're wrong. You're wrong. When we got there, I felt so stupid. It was just a concert. Like it was just normal. It was like millennials. Like it was not emo. I guess it was like going to like The Fray concert.

They're not like that.

It's not like going to Panic! at the Disco.

Um, and I felt so stupid. And Ben was— and like, the funny thing was I thought it was so emo. And you know those emo concerts, they really mosh? Yeah, concert. So I said, let's stay in the back because I don't want to get involved in the mosh. Ben was like really trying to mosh with his friends, and they were just like normal people around us. And I literally had to apologize. I'm like, I'm so sorry. Ben was like pushing people. I'm like, Ben, it's not— um, this is not—

you guys were like, we don't want to mosh. We hope—

meanwhile, Ben is like shoving little girls in the back. I'm like, Ben, you have to stop. Oh my God. So we were like, we were a little unclear on like the vibe.

That's fine. You could have been having a theme night though, like a bachelorette party that went to a concert and they made it punk night.

And then Ben, you know, Ben has to just do the most. So afterwards we went to Marquee because James Kennedy— I got there like 11:30. James Kennedy didn't go until 1. You know my ass left at 11:45. I was like, I, I can't be like, yeah, waiting around till 1. That's how some of the—

that's how the party goes.

Yeah, so the younger folks stayed and they said it was a blast. But just to be clear, I actually did not see James Kennedy.

Did he play Top Man, You're a Bad Man, she said?

I don't know, I wasn't there, but I hope so.

I'll have to ask Sachi.

And then on Saturday night, I did something even crazier, which is I watched the Lamar Odom documentary, The Life and Death of Lamar Odom. Chilling.

The Life and Death, wow. Should be death, sir.

So they had like 3, they had actually like 5 people telling the story. Lamar, Khloé.

Yeah.

Lamar's ex-wife and her children, their children. The guy who was running the love ranch, the bunny ranch, whatever it's called. Yeah, who like found Lamar.

Mm-hmm.

And Lamar's aunt, who was really just like adding a lot of color. I enjoyed her presence. It was—

And remember Lamar's best friend from Khloé and Lamar and he passed away.

Of course, Jamie. They didn't really— they showed one clip of him, and I wanted Khloé to talk about it more. There was so— it could have been 5 hours long, like, because you could have delved into the marriage. And I forget, like, Lamar was that guy just by himself, like, from basketball. He was best friends with Kobe. And, you know, a lot of this wouldn't have even happened if Shaq wasn't traded to Miami.

Shaq's fault.

And no, no, Shaq and Kobe were like beefing on the Lakers and it was like not working out. They had these two amazing players and they couldn't work together. So the organization at the Lakers like had to make a decision and they chose Kobe and they traded Shaq to Miami for like these two randos. Lamar.

So it's Shaq's fault.

Yeah.

And it's crazy to think that like if they just get along, like Khloe and Lamar might have never gotten married.

No, 100%, because it was just There were so many parts of it that were so heartbreaking. Like Lamar, I think part of the reason he likes something like a big trauma of his that he— and I think the beginning of the end for his former life. Like he was married to this, you know, girl he knew from growing up. They had 3 kids and one of them died of SIDS.

I heard that.

Like, and he just couldn't cope. He like never saw his wife again. He was flying back to LA and she was like, I'm not going back to LA. Like this is where she's from, Queens. They were like there for a funeral or something, and she was like, I'm not going back, and he was like, I'm going back, and they like never spoke again. And so I think he has a really fractured relationship with his kids. I do, I do think that it's getting better. Um, and then the Khloe of it all, like, we don't even know the half of Khloe's involvement in his— and you know, there was like some beef because the wife was like, you know, we weren't allowed to see Lamar. There was like a guy standing outside the hospital room when he was recovering in Vegas, um, you know, making— in Cedars-Sinai— making people sign NDAs and not letting anyone in. And Khloe was like, Yeah, at first it was a free-for-all. Then there were drug dealers coming, stealing stuff because Lamar owed them money. So yeah, we cracked down a little bit. And I guess everybody had to sign an NDA, which is very Kris Jenner.

I didn't fault Khloé for a single choice she made during that time. Um, the whole thing is so crazy. Like, there were so many crazy parts of it. I think a lot of people are saying it was kind of a bad look for Lamar overall.

Yeah, I'm sure.

No, sorry, the documentary.

Yeah, I'm sure.

His— no, his current.

Oh, I mean, how could he be like so rehabilitated? We saw him on Kardashians last season, like he's not—

yeah, but do you remember when we were saying how like it was such a weird thing, like Khloe was being like kind of weird towards him? She wasn't weird enough. Like, she doesn't, uh— Kris Jenner going to a motel in the middle of the night to pick up cracked-out Lamar Odom because some hooker just called a lady in his phone, didn't like ask for money or anything. Insane.

Yeah, yeah.

Kris Jenner is such a real one. She should have been in the documentary. Like, it was fucking crazy.

How did she physically get him out of there?

Oh, that was the other thing. Lamar's size—

yeah—

played a really big role in his recovery. In like, they couldn't get him— all the, the couple of prostitutes at the Love Bunny Ranch and then the guy who was like working the office, they had to like push him off the bed onto the floor. He weighs 300— and he was also at like a very bad place in his life, he was not physically fit— so he weighed 300 pounds. They couldn't get him onto a stretcher, the ambulance, like all these different things. His recovery was very challenging because he was so big. Yeah, it's such a crazy documentary. It's such a crazy story. And I know I was alive for it, but I still feel like I don't even remember how crazy it was.

No, I remember it, but I just— we didn't— weren't privy to like all of the details at the time, you know. The fact that he was— Khloe was nursing him back to life and he had drug dealers coming in the hospital. No, no one told us that.

The fact that like finally, 6 months after, he had to learn to walk again, learn to talk again. She rents him a house in Hidden Hills. Full staff, full everything. She comes in to check on him and she said, I smelled crack the second I walked in. And once you smell crack, it's the most disgusting smell you've ever smelled. He's doing crack. She threw him out and she said that was the last time she saw him.

Yeah. So no, we didn't know that until recently. No.

So no, it was insane. And Lamar feels very lost. He was like, I survived the craziest thing, obviously for a purpose, and I don't know what my purpose is.

Yeah.

So it was sort of like inconclusive.

Okay, TBD.

Yeah, I highly recommend it.

TBD on my birthday buddy.

Speaking of my birthday buddy, I did something crazy last night.

Crack?

Crazier.

Meth?

I caught up on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

And Erika Jayne, it's your birthday buddy.

It's my birthday buddy.

Wait, I didn't even talk about, and I forgot to put it in the stories, but we have to talk about Masked Singer.

Why is it Picasso. We didn't talk about that.

No, it happened after we went off the air.

Don't add in the stories, it could just be a, uh, you guys, pre-podcast banner.

Hug Casso came runner-up. He didn't even win Masked Singer. It was Phillip Phillips, confirmed. Obviously, the winner was galaxy girl Ashley Simpson.

Oh, did the final episode air?

Yes.

Oh, I missed that whole thing.

Yes, it's all over. Ashlee Simpson beat Phillip Phillips. How?

Honestly, to slay on Ashlee Simpson's part, agreed, agreed. Like, Phillip Phillips is one of the most talented vocalists of our time. Like, Ashlee Simpson's great too. I think she just had a little bit more stage presence, like with her outfit.

Yeah, yeah, and she could like move and stuff.

She was wearing leggings. It was kind of unfair.

Let me ask you something. When you went up in the battle against Putcasso—

yeah, so that's what's crazy. Like, I was literally standing in front of Phillip Phillips, right?

And you lost that battle, and that was sort of like you're turning, like, your 13th season.

Like, yeah, I was pissed as hell.

If you had known in that moment that it was Phillip Phillips, would you have felt like a little differently, a little softer? Yes.

Um, I had no idea who it was. And then even when the episode premiered, it was like pretty much confirmed that it was Cordover Street.

Anthony Ramos?

No, it was never Anthony Ramos. I thought it was for sure Cordover Street, and I was like I feel like maybe I could have beaten Cord Overstreet. Like, I was just like, now that's Phillip Phillips. He wasn't fucking American Idol. Like, I was never gonna beat him. So yeah, I'm softer.

So like, if you had known in that moment, if you lost and someone said to you, Claudia, like, it's Phillip Phillips, you were never gonna beat him, he did amazing, like, would that have changed things?

No.

Okay. Wow, what a fun ride. Can you do Masked Singer again? Because I don't know how I'm gonna live without these stories.

It kind of feels like Fox needs to cast you. Like, I'm gonna text the girl. I'm a super fan. I'm gonna text the girl. Like, you kind of have to cast my sister.

The problem is, well, first of all, if you had a hard time like living in Los Angeles with a kid, like I have 3, what am I gonna do?

You just sort of have to do it.

Like, in addition to all the logistical issues that like you had an issue with, that would only be worse for me. I have a bad voice.

Oh please, that's clearly not a barrier for entry. Most of the people on that show have bad voices.

I get— yeah, I guess, but I just like, I don't know, I guess I wouldn't go very far, but I don't think I would want to. I'm sorry, if you couldn't, I could never.

I don't know, it just kind of feels like you have to.

I know, because I'm the biggest fan of the show now. Yeah, so it's great success with that, but like, I, I mean, I could No, no, I couldn't possibly. I could never possibly.

You know what's also really exciting about today's show? What? So I had to drive, like, for reasons I really don't want to get into.

Oh, lowkey slay, mama.

Yeah, I circled the block for about 20 minutes looking for someplace to park. There wasn't a garage, so I quite literally left it in the middle of the street. Like, if I leave this studio and my car is where I left it, even with a ticket, I will be floored. And I have— have you ever gotten towed?

No.

Me neither. I feel like there's quite literally not one thing more inconvenient in the entire world than getting your car towed.

Agreed. I also can sense you've been hanging out with Sachi because you keep saying quite literally. That's what she says.

Well, I have been hanging out with Sachi, and quite literally we had the best time, right? Does she say that?

She does. It's a satchel.

Now be talking like a young person today.

Speaking of Satchel— no, no, not speaking of Satchel. Quite literally not speaking of Satchel.

I got a DM from Satchel Maloney and I didn't open it. I'm like, I hate our jobs. Like, why can't we just talk about Satchel Maloney in peace? Like, I don't know, in private.

I don't know. I don't know why.

He obviously wants to come on the pod. Like, no, like, I can't.

No, don't ruin the mystery, guys.

If I ever talk about you on the podcast, unless you're like Taylor Swift, like, please don't reach out.

Yeah, or Philip Phillips. That's— no, like, even then, even then it was like bad at first, but now full circle, he's so a part of Toast lore.

That's my king right there. I like— I just love him.

I can't believe he didn't win. It's like disgusting.

It is. I bet he was pissed.

Well, congrats to Ashlee Simpson. Jessica showed up for the reveal.

Oh yes, she did.

A birthday buddy of yours.

It's kind of the theme of today's episode, birthday buddies. Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, yeah.

So let's get into the story, shall we? Because people are literally only tuning in because they discovered us on Wednesday, and now they're like, what are you two—

why are these girls talking about Philip Morris?

Freaks talking about— we're here for Wes Mandeville. Okay, okay, okay.

Okay, we'll put it in the timestamps. You could skip.

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Okay, first story, Wes Mandeville updates. A couple things, couple things. First, Amanda Bhatula was seen embracing her ex Kyle Cook in New York City after the news of the romance. So we had our first spotting. She was taking the dogs for a walk. Kyle was there. Kyle's actually been like pretty— I— how do you feel? Like active, but I also feel like he's handling it, um, he's being like very empathetic towards Amanda, I think, which is so very, very— I think he's coming off well. I mean, people are living for like Kyle and Carl's a mess and Lindsay, and like, so funny.

Like, so, so like Kyle, yes, I agree, he was spotted like by a photographer and they interviewed him really briefly, and he was basically like obviously this is so crazy and like I'm hurt, but like I'm really worried about Amanda. I think like Amanda really does struggle with depression. She talked about it a lot on Summer House last couple of years, and, um, this is just like kind of a, a bad thing for someone who's depressed to go through.

No, and to be like a, a happy person would really struggle, right, with the whole world hating you.

And so he, you know, reiterated that he's just kind of worried about her. He's been speaking to her, and obviously he's technically a victim in this, sure. Um, so if anyone has a right to be like so, so mad and not feel bad for it, it's him. And he's not taking that route, and he said Carl's a mess, and it was just like this offhanded remark that was so fucking funny. Carl's a Mess, like, why would Carl care? Like, it's literally so funny. Um, and then that led to like a Uber Eats commercial with Lindsay and Carl, and they were ordering all the things that Carl needs because he's a mess, like chocolate, Loverboy tissues, like very funny. Good on Uber Eats.

And Loverboy also put out merch, Carl's a Mess.

Yes.

So I think proceeds are being donated to a charity, but the rest—

I mean, not They very briefly talked about it on Giggly Squad because they were like, we would never monetize off of our friends, like, trauma. And a lot of people think that might have been like a dig at the people now, like, doing brand deals. I actually don't think it was. I think they are actually— this is their actual sister. So yeah, them doing a commercial like would be weird, but I don't think that they were coming for the Uber Eats thing.

I don't think so either. I also didn't see Uber Eats stuff till like after the episode.

I think the episode was recorded before too.

More what they were trying to say is like, we're not going to be doing like a tea-filled episode. We're not going to be spilling the beans, like, you know, making the most of this moment. Like, I think they addressed the situation and how they felt about it, but they're not about to like make their bones off of what happened because that's their friend. So I didn't feel like that was shade towards anyone.

Yeah, I think they made it clear that their like feet were firmly planted on Team Sierra. I don't think anybody thought otherwise. Um, and I think people were also kind of tuning in to hear Hannah because this whole thing, even though she's not on the show, like has been very vindicating for her. I see a lot of people like resurfacing clips from her season, and it was actually like they were so much meaner to her than I even remember. Like, I remember a couple of the core fights, like, just because he talks to you like that doesn't mean he can talk to me like that. Um, but like, I think at least I would have been tuning in for that too. And so she spoke very briefly, just being like, you know, remember, everything you see on TV, I think, had a season— and I think she said this before— it was like very heavily edited. Um, and so a lot of the things that she was accused of, like, she actually didn't even do. Um, So it's just like, you know, she's sleeping well tonight.

It's so weird to watch everything now, like, through this lens of like— because this whole time Amanda's always been like the cool girl. She's always been married, so it's just like not threatening. And it's— if she's like not a—

not just want to say I don't agree.

No, I— no, that's how it felt. Now it's like, of course you could be married and threatening, and if you're touching your man, you're holding Craig's thigh under the table, like, what the fuck are you doing? And now all of this stuff is starting to come to light, but I felt like she got a pass for so many years because she was married and She is this season so flirty with Ben and she went skinny dipping with Ben and like, that's weird. But like, oh, she's married. You're crazy for even thinking that. And now she's sort of like a hippie, like right now watching it all back, like knowing that she's capable of like doing something like this in this way. Because I think also when we talk about like the, the thing that she's done, it's like dating Wes. I think there is a world in which she could have dated him and it come off better than the way that she went about it. And we'll find out how Sierra found out about it. Yes, of course. If you take, like, she just got divorced at the end of the day, like West and Sierra dated for about 6 months, 2 years ago.

Like, it's not like she could have never went after him, period, right?

If she had waited and done it right, like, maybe they wouldn't be friends anymore, but it wouldn't be this world-ending scandal.

Agreed. But so now watching everything in hindsight, like, oh, maybe she is overly flirty and that isn't appropriate. And just because she's married, like, that doesn't mean that she's not, like, a woman.

It's not even the flirty thing that's like to me so weird. I think like she's actually just like a mean girl. And I feel like we talked about it with Lexi, um, and that was like a microcosm, just like a very small example. I think she's sort of always been accused of like really not being friendly to the new girls, and that's definitely true. And I think with Lexi, like, I would love to hear from Lexi because I think that a lot of the girls were like— Amanda specifically being like, yes, he's my brother, like I think that that is a pattern of hers, like not being like a girl's girl, even though that's sort of been like her brand trademark. Yeah, yeah. Um, but she was not cool to Lexi, she was not cool to Jules, she was not cool to Hannah. So it definitely is a pattern.

Yeah, but I just feel like she got away with so much. No one was really looking at her because, like, definitely because she is married, because everything with Kyle, and she was always the victim in the Kyle situation, that no one ever said anything like cross about her. So now, like, watching everything back and it's like, it was literally on TV, she's at dinner in the summer house and she's holding Craig's hand and, um, now all this stuff is starting to resurface with Craig. Did you see that? Like, and no— oh, that like she was over with Craig, like overly flirt, like the, like holding his hand at dinner once. Like, uh, there's a Snap or Instagram story where it looks like she's like kissing his face. I don't think anything happened between them. Some people are taking it too far. You know that sort of girl who's overly flirty with your man and that's your best friend. And it's like, it's not like she's making moves on him, but like 'Keep your hands to yourself. What's wrong with you? It's so inappropriate.' But no one was ever looking at her. And I don't know, now I can't like remember like what I heard from like primary sources versus like secondary drama channels, but like someone was saying that Paige said that she noticed it with Craig.

I don't know if Paige said that herself and that she started to like back away with Amanda— from Amanda like because of that.

Wow. Oh my God, that's actually really crazy.

And there are scenes from the show, there's one in particular where her and Craig are sitting next to each other at the dinner table and their arms are intertwined.

I need my TikTok algorithm to show me that. Amanda and Craig, Amanda and Craig, Amanda and Craig touching under the table, Summer House. And so the version of events that's going on around the timeline is actually pretty accurate, um, because there was this rumor about like a video something. So what I have heard is very similar, um, to what people are saying, which is that like Sierra sort of figured it out based on a couple of things, like a gut Like just that sort of womanly wile. Find my friends. You know, Amanda being in Wes's neighborhood a lot and then stopping sharing her location, which is just a telltale sign. And then Sierra, I heard, was reached out to by like a follower, a fan of the show, being like, you know, I live in their neighborhood and I have a video.

Like she can see Wes's apartment.

And so she was like, send it to me. Sierra said that. And the girl was like, no, I can't, it's graphic. And I think the girl is like a lawyer is what I heard. So like she knows, like actually sending content like that is illegal. So Sierra met up with her because she was like, I just, I know it's true. Like I have a feeling and watch the video. I guess it was somebody in their neighborhood. They were like making out on a couch, like straddling, just what I heard. And all alleged, all alleged. I'm like scared. And somebody who like lives in the neighborhood can see through their windows. And that's what Sierra watched. And then the rumors started to—

she did not hear from Amanda like separately.

That's awful.

Really fucked up and crazy that you're not like— you don't have privacy in your own home.

I completely agree, that's terrible. I guess this person must know that, like, I don't know whose apartment it was, that like Amanda Petula lives in my neighborhood or something like that. Yeah, um, so she didn't say anything, and then the rumors started to come out, and Amanda waited like a decently long time. And at this point Sierra knows, she's seen the video. I think she waited like a day or two to be like, oh, by the way, like Wes and I are just friends. And Sierra was like, well, you know, friends can hook up, like, that's possible. And Amanda says like, no, no, no. And Sierra says like, just— she's like, have you guys hooked up? She knows that they haven't. She's giving Amanda a chance to like be honest. And Amanda said no. And that was like one of the last times they ever spoke. I don't know if they ever spoke about like again.

Damn. Like, so that's really the worst way to handle it, right?

Of all the ways it could have gone.

Yeah.

Um, getting caught.

Yeah, because I do think, like, say Wes and Amanda discovered that they have feelings for another romantic feelings that they want to pursue. Like, I think there's a way that they could have gone about it where it wouldn't be like this and it wouldn't be so terrible.

In the trailer for the remainder of the season, it looks like there is more like romantic storylines between Wes and Sierra, which makes this whole thing even worse because a lot of people are like, oh, and then it was a couple of months relationship from 2 years ago. But no, it seems like this summer it still is an entanglement.

I also heard that like a couple weeks ago that Sierra and Wes like had hooked up.

Oh, that would be—

that's just what I heard, like from God knows where.

I need Andy Cohen to lock the fuck in, you know what I mean? Yeah, I know he really does like thrive in moments like this. I do think sometimes he like really phones it in with his job, like, but like Scandal, I think there are moments, you know, Luanne's DUI, there are moments when he locks in, and I'm hoping like— I need him to be fully researched I definitely do it all.

He definitely is. They're gonna be filming the reunion soon, which is crazy timing.

It's also crazy because even with Scandal, I feel like before the reunion was aired and before they aired— yeah, before they aired the reunion, we heard from like a lot of people. They went on podcasts. We have heard from nobody. Yeah, everyone's being like very hush-hush. They're like saving it.

Yeah, which is very smart. But I remember with Scandal, like, it was like Lala and Sheena, and they had said like Ariana gave them their blessing to like go ham with it.

It.

And one, like, I don't think that Sierra's like really like that. I think she's like much more— I don't think so either. But two, if you think about it, like, people from Summer House don't really have a lot of podcasts. Like, um, like, everyone has one. Vanderpump Rules, every single person has a podcast. Yeah, it's like breathing. But on Summer House, it's just— I mean, Giggles Squad, and that's not Summer House anymore, right? And now Carl, but he's a mess, so who knows if he definitely like has like episodes like coming out that are, you know, it's not pop culture, it's like sit down, it's not— it's interview.

Um, I don't think we're going to be getting like a Sierra on Call Her Daddy moment.

No, I don't think so either. I don't think, I don't think that's really like who she is.

Correct.

So also rumor is that Rihanna is playing matchmaker for Sierra and setting her up with Michael B. Jordan.

Okay, so Dumal was like, basically Rihanna's really upset. Rihanna unfollowed Amanda and has been like in—

Rihanna's a mess.

We know, literally, I know that we like, we know that confirmed that she unfollowed, but the rumor is that she messaged Sierra and is like trying to set her up with quote an A-list actor and every— who just won an award. It's Michael B. Jordan.

But can I just say, like, why couldn't Rihanna set Sierra up with Michael B. Jordan like 2 weeks ago? Like Why does she have to have her heart broken and her friendship ruined? Like, to get a little—

because it's not Rihanna's job. Like, you know, but like, but I don't know, I just feel like she's seen an injustice and she's doing everything in her power to make it right.

She could have set her up with Michael B. Jordan anytime.

I need Michael B. Jordan to lock the fuck in and go on a date with her, like a very public date. I don't care if they don't even talk, okay?

Of course. Also, um, Jesse Solomon is turning into the Tom Schwartz of the situation.

That's so funny that you said that. I thought the same thing because what did he know when, right?

He's just like this silly goofy dude. He keeps posting his fucking song.

Jackie, Jackie, I could not stop singing it all weekend. I think, uh, it's such a bad song and he's such a loser.

I kind of love it.

I need to know. People are like really, um, convinced that he knew something. He's definitely Tom Schwartz of this situation. He is.

It's just so funny.

And he keeps responding to comments like, Team Sierra, like, okay, duh.

Yeah, but so you're gonna stop being friends with Wes?

No. Wes was also spotted getting on a plane, and then I wouldn't have him pick for that either.

That's like your best friend.

Yeah, I need this reunion like injected into my veins. Like, there's not enough Yeah, you know, like I need more.

Yeah, so that's the latest. It's just, it's just crazy.

It's really crazy.

Are you ready?

Bingo! Stop. Wait, I just want to say so we don't forget, title: Rihanna's a Mess.

Are you ready for our next story?

It's always sad to move on, but it is like, I don't care about anything else.

I know, but we did once care about this next subject, which I do feel bad for them. They're doing anything to stay in the headlines. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Oh, this is your lives, Mormon Wives. But you know, but she doesn't want to film, Jackie, but she's not filming.

Um, Jesse Draper was spotted out with Marciano on a date, or it says on a date, but who knows what they were actually doing. Maybe they're doing business together, but, um, probably on a date. Uh, I think also like for the buzz, like I do feel like they're being overshadowed by Wes Mandevall, but I think that that's like an okay thing. They don't always need to be like the number one story. It was getting a little scary out there. Like, let us take a beat.

I, um, also need to officially hand in my resignation as like a blind defender of Jesse Draper because I cannot defend this type of behavior. First of all, that guy's such a bad guy. He's such a loser and he's not handsome. Um, so like even for clicks, like to ever be in the same room as him again is like a diabolically bad choice.

Yeah, like this guy almost ruined your life and told a lie that could have ruined your life and made you look like a liar. And like, I don't understand how you could ever really— like, you could forgive and move past, you don't have to hold a grudge, but like, to let someone in again, to sit down with them face to face, even like pretend like you're dating, like, that just— that's a— that's not a good look. No.

And now it's got me thinking, like, maybe Demi was, you know, on to something.

Which is what?

I don't know, but like, this is such nutty ass behavior. Yeah, I don't know. I really hate this because up until this point, like, play—

like, put— like, almost like scripting a story here. Like, she— you know what I mean? Like, I don't think her feelings are really involved with Marciano. I feel like she's just— no, she's, you know, but to even move the storyline along. But like, that's not a good move for your character in this story.

Yeah.

Yeah, also Dakota is going to be edited out of Vanderpump Villa after the domestic violence investigation involving Taylor Frankie Paul. So he will not be a part of the upcoming season of Vanderpump Villa. As we know from Secret Lives, all the dad talk went— they took this big trip, Vanderpump Villa. Dakota, I think, was a central storyline because he hooked up with someone, and he's actually going to be edited out of the season.

—And so I actually find that— —an episode or two. Yeah, I actually don't find that helpful because I think that it would add a lot of color to their story, you know? Because we're always seeing it like everything thus far has been like Taylor's, you know, poor behavior. And I think that we'd really see an ugly side of him at that where he was like hooking up with a girl in the bathroom and then calling Taylor and telling her about it, you know? Like So I feel like almost in a way they're kind of protecting him.

Yeah, but okay, let me ask you this. Like, last week Unwell announced that he's going to be part of their games, and we didn't like that either, but that's already filmed too.

But I think he could have been edited out of that. Like, that doesn't— like, I don't think that plays into their storyline at all, Taylor and Dakota. Um, I just like— I, I have personally stopped caring about these people, do you know what I mean?

Actually, the Unwell thing filmed a couple months ago, like sort of more recent to whenever like things started really going south for Taylor and Dakota. Maybe.

Yeah, but like, there will— the show is all about the game, right? It's not about their lives.

I don't know, he's probably hooking up with someone scary. Is he ever not?

That's what's so crazy, because the craziest part of the whole Taylor and Dakota thing is that Dakota is like a certifiable uggo. Like, he is not even cute. You think he's ugly? Yes, like with a capital U.

I've never noticed.

And it's so crazy when like ugly people get under the skin of beautiful women. Ugly? No, no, I actually think— do you remember the website uglypeople.com?

Like, I can't see people anymore, you know? I don't know who they are.

Me too. But I'm trying to— I'm seeing his insides on— no, but I do believe he's ugly. I remember when he first came onto the show. Taylor is so pretty and she's got like a perfect body, and it's just like, they don't make girls like that, you know? And I'm like, who is this like literal hobo she picked up on the side of the road? I remember thinking like, he's so ugly. Oh, that's so funny.

I don't think he's—

and I just think that's like an unspoken part of this whole thing, like how an ugly man like did all that. He's not in good shape, like he's ugly, he's got fake teeth. Do you know what I mean? Um, no, like I— and his insides are truly, truly ugly.

See, I don't know what he looks like, but I feel like—

Jackie, let me tell you, he's ugly.

I feel like he's not—

I see him for what he truly is, which is ugly.

That is so funny. Um, do you think— sound off in the comments, is Dakota Mortensen ugly? Oh, funny, funny stuff. Do you think Wes is handsome? Like, do you feel the same way about Wes? Like, how is all these girls ready tripping over Wes?

I'm so, I'm so glad you brought that up. Wes is also a certifiably ugly person, completely objectively. But Wes has a few things that Dakota does not possess. Like, Wes has an amazing personality. Clearly Dakota is no conversationalist. Wes has a lot of confidence. He carries himself, like, in his clothes, how he walks, how he talks, and that's attractive to women. There are things that make you attractive outside of looks. He's got like a cool job, you know? Yeah. Dakota, there is nothing even remotely attractive about him. He doesn't talk cool, he doesn't walk cool. Like, there's nothing cool or attractive about him. Wes has a lot of things about his looks and his vibe that make up for the fact that I think he's just like— if we're just talking like looks, like I was looking at his face like in a doctor's office, you know, I would say that's not a hot, attractive person.

What's so crazy is that when Jesse and Wes came into the house like 2 or 3 summers ago, if you had told us this hot guy and his little friend.

Like, if you had told us this one is going to be the one to destroy the house, and Jesse like can't get arrested, he's in love with everybody and nobody's in love with him, and he's 6 feet tall. Like, that's what's so funny. It's not even about looks. Like, it's about so many things, like how you carry yourself.

You know what, I think maybe I'll start being me.

Literally same. Are you ready for— Jesse Solomon started following me on Instagram.

Oh my gosh, do you have anything you want to say to him?

Guess I'll start falling in love. He doesn't even want to fall in love.

Like, seriously, it's so true, because you had a perfect good shit option right in front of you with Lexi. He's so full of shit.

Agreed. I hate liars. Liar! And Jesse is not ugly. Jesse is actually, by all definitions, handsome. I actually think his personality and his vibe and how he carries himself makes him uglier. Yeah, yeah, he's the opposite of Wes.

When he came into the house, like, he was like tall, the hot one. Yeah, yeah, but now he's just like goofy, just like a joke.

I'm being mean, I'm sorry.

Are you ready for our next story? Switching gears. What number? 3. Yeah. Hailee Steinfeld has welcomed her first baby with husband Josh Allen.

Literally, and she did it in the most us way ever. Patreon.com/haileysteinfeld.

Her Substack titled Special Delivery. She said, our baby girl has arrived. We're feeling incredibly grateful and blessed and savoring these early moments. Thank you so much for the love and well wishes.

Did we get a name?

We did not get a name. Drop the name. Fuck. Drop the name. What else?

Yeah, I need to know her name.

I feel like it's gonna be Rose. Claudia, I was gonna say the same thing. Really? Yeah.

Yeah, that'd be crazy if it was. I feel like people would think we had like inside information.

Rose Allen, because she's your best friend. A couple of New York girls out here with babies energy.

I need to be friends with Hailee Steinfeld like so badly. New York girls, I'm cracking up. She's from— living in Buffalo.

She's from Buffalo. That's not much bigger than Maysville.

She's from Pensacola. She's not much bigger than Maysville. I was robbed of that part. Real Toasters know the lore.

Claudia auditioned for Law Order: SVU, and that was the line that she had to audition with. It's being like—

not the line, I, by the way, I did a whole scene. I could recite it.

She was like a local girl jealous of the influencer in her town and killed her.

I know, and I set up like, uh, another influencer. I was like catfishing, and I was like, yeah, I really like it when I get like choked and slapped. And like, and like this girl got like— because I, you know, I didn't do it, by the way. I didn't even get the part. Like, but she is from Pennsylvania. She's from Pensacola. That's not much bigger than Maysville. I couldn't like master the accent at all. Like, I'm not an accent person. Every time I do an accent, I end up like Jamaican. She's from Pensacola, you know?

Yeah. Well, mazel to the Allens. Mazel to the Allens. Are you ready for our next story?

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You're welcome. Our next story, Blake Lively's sexual harassment suit against her co-star Justin Baldoni has been gutted by a judge. So in a ruling issued on Thursday, Judge Louis Lyman threw out 10 of the 13 claims against Lively, um, in her lawsuit, including claims of harassment, defamation, and conspiracy. He allowed 3 claims to proceed to a trial, including claims of breach of contract, retaliation, and aiding and abetting in retaliation.

So, um, this was actually a win for Blake Lively. I know it doesn't sound like that, and everyone's gonna be like, Claudia, you're a delusional Blake Lively stan. But she released a statement about it too. The whole thing they were trying to prove with like stealing the movie was, can you sue for sexual harassment if like you're the boss? Right. And like, so she was not— so they ultimately decided that she was like a contractor and that's why her claims were thrown out. Although the judge did say she did supply sufficient evidence. So I know it doesn't sound like it, but this actually was a win for Blake Lively. And she really—

she released a statement being like, I'm like, I'm thrilled that I put together a 13-piece lawsuit and 10 of it was thrown out.

And 10 got thrown out.

That's the one I wanted. Yeah, that's good because it's the one you got. That's the one I really wanted. Thanks.

And it's crazy that this thing hasn't even started.

I know. Next March. Next March? Yeah. Isn't it next year? I don't know. Or was it this March?

Or is it now? Like, I don't know.

I think it was— wait, I mean, it was this— I think it was this March, and that was like— this was the first thing coming down.

And it's exactly what you want, right?

All the time and money she spent with lawyers putting together 13 She wants to be spending—

she wanted Tim in the garbage. They must be spending millions on legal. Like, I can only imagine. Thank God that they are so rich.

Thank God Tim were thrown in the garbage.

And Justin is being backed by like a billionaire, so like, because it's the studio that's, that's the defendant.

It's Wayfair. It's not even him specifically, it's the studio.

Yeah, what a waste of money for them both to be ended up like to ruin each other, super hated. No, and like, yeah, like no one's coming out on top here.

No. No, but I'm so happy for her that 10 were thrown away. That sucks for him. Yeah, sucks for him. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? I am.

Like, if it's not about Wes Vandeval, I don't really care.

I know you won't really care, but I do think it might inspire like an emotional reaction because—

okay, let's get emo.

Kylie Kelce is big mad. She has a fiery response to questions about Taylor and Travis's wedding. So Kylie Kelsey, um, did her podcast and posted a clip about her response to people who are asking her about details about Travis and Taylor's wedding. She said to literally everybody, I know it usually comes from a good place, not always, but quit asking me about— quit asking me and my mother-in-law about upcoming nuptials. Nobody's fucking telling you anything. I don't have any details. She repeated that she had no details multiple times. She said, I have none. Stop fucking asking me. Stop fucking asking my mother-in-law. Fucking being creeps in the fucking airport. Ew. Here's the thing. Even if I did have any information, I'm not fucking telling you. That's private information between family. A and B, see your way out.

Kylie Kelsey is always yelling at the people who listen to her podcast. It's—

well, no, in this one she's like addressing TMZ about the airport. She's always yelling.

Yeah, I, I want to say that, like, I really don't, you know, like, I, I have— I always feel like Kylie Kelsey's like yelling at invisible people on her podcast. She's like, stop telling women C-sections aren't real birth. It's like, bitch, nobody fucking says that.

Like, the only person who would say that is such a biggest loser, you know, is no one who's actually given a platform in like polite society. Like, that's not something that needs to be debunked.

She's always going on these rants and the comments are like, yes, sister! And it's like, these aren't real things that are happening. And if they are, they're like so obviously not serious. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, I'm sure she gets paparazzi'd. And it's like, even in the Khloé and Lamar documentary, like, when there was like rumors that Lamar was like addicted to crack, but he was still like a functioning member of society and the Lakers, um, you would see these cameras and it was like Chloe, is Lamar addicted to crack? Chris, is Lamar addicted to crack? And then like when he was actually like in the hospital recovering from an overdose, the most vile questions, right? Like, Chloe, is Lamar gonna die from crack? Like, just insane. Like, and so obviously it's terrible. It's just a part of like the—

just ask you about like a wedding. It's really not that—

not that big of a deal.

Always arguing like very obvious truths. Truths. Yes, and with like invisible people, like, like, and like, you know, selling it as like a hard truth that we all know and selling it as like an empowering moment. No, and like a controversial hot take. Yeah, because that's separate from like this—

her whole thing is not gonna lie, not gonna lie, stop asking me about— it's like, girl, no one thinks you're gonna tell us. It's just part of being a celebrity for the wedding.

Like, it's not even like the crack— yeah, there are certain questions in the airport that are thrown to celebrities that are so inappropriate, like, yeah, we're all just like excited for the wedding and we know that we don't expect you to say it's 7 o'clock on Saturday, here are the coordinates of the longitude and latitude.

Okay, it's just fun. Yeah.

What do you think Taylor thinks about this clip?

I could see Taylor loving it and just being like, yeah, that's my sister-in-law defending me, defending our family, defending Donna. Like, for— I know that like I know that Kylie— I know that Kylie before Taylor and Travis was like a really beloved member of her community here. Yeah. Um, but you know, she has this huge podcast because now like the family has become so famous because largely in part due to Taylor, other things too. Um, so like she just like refuses to sort of like get on board with that. Yeah, and if it's like annoying, so just stop talking about it, you know? She always claims that she hates the tabloids, and every time she talks about it, it's another headline.

You really only talk about what she's saying when she's talking about Taylor, but she doesn't want us to talk about her talking about Taylor, and so she should just not talk about it because that is always going to be a headline.

But I do feel like a lot of people tune into the podcast like to hear glimpses of that. They do it to New Heights too.

No, they do it to New Heights. I don't think they do it to her podcast. I really don't, because like like, that's the antithesis of her, who she is.

Yeah.

And like, we know we're getting nothing. Yeah. So I don't think that's like what her fans are looking for, honestly. Maybe they are looking for her to like tell off TMZ though. Maybe they like that. Yeah, they probably like—

I just feel like that's just like a tale as old as time, like such an old trope. And this is not a hill worth dying on. They're not asking you like, you know, the color of Jason's pubes. They're talking about like a fun, famous wedding, like, it's that you happen to be at the center of. Like, it's really not a big deal.

Like, yeah. But I don't know what I would say.

You know what I would need to— you know what I'd say? You need to calm down. Oh man, please no. You're being too loud. No, please don't say that. I am dying to know if my car is outside. Like, I just know it's not.

Okay, well, we can wrap it up. Those were the Fast Five stories. You needed to know them. We'll get back on track this week with Dear Toasters tomorrow.

I apologize to everyone. Like, I kept kicking it down the field and then I forgot that like it was the last day of the week for Passover. The DTQ was like riotous.

But also it was Wes Mandeville.

Like, you guys, We can't be held responsible for the events that occur during something as historic as West Mandeville.

Like, it is what it is.

It is what it is.

And I do hope the DTQ are all Patreon members because we do Dear Toasters, like 50 minutes of Dear Toasters on the Patreon. So like, if you're ever like craving a little DT in your Q, head over to patreon.com/thetoast. I am craving a little DT in my Q. Okay, why don't you go run to the Toast Center? Okay. What? Run to the towing yard.

You have to go get your car. I know. What's it called? Like the junkyard? I know that it's not gonna be there. I'm so afraid. It was such a bad parking job.

Okay, you need to go find out.

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Post on your Instagram if your car is there.

Of course I will. The big reveal.