Transcript of Does Djerf Have The Cream?: Tuesday, April 7th, 2026 New

Good morning, girlies, it's The Toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast 5 things you need to know.

We'll start your day off swirly, it's The Toast.

I sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast and happy Tuesday. Speaking of choosing, Let me introduce you to my life partner who I've chosen to do life with. Yeah, it's Jacqueline Valet. Hey, Jax, how you doing?

I'm darn good. How fun for you that you get to come up with like an intro for me every day. I never really thought about it. Like, I would have so much fun.

It's so like Jason and Travis of us, like when they introduce 600 pounds from New York, New— you know how they do like that whole thing, like a wrestle? Um, I would never include your weight though.

Thank you.

You know what I just found out?

You're 100 pounds.

Oh really? I weigh 75. You're so fat. Um, you know what I just found out?

What?

If you live in California, they put your weight on your, um, identification card. Are you sure?

That doesn't sound like the truth.

You know what?

Not even because like it's so—

my friend Margo told me and she's like smart.

Not even because California—

does your license have your weight on it? Question mark.

But your weight changes every day, week to week, month to month. Like That's irrelevant.

Of course it has. Yeah, of course a license should have like permanent statistics like your eye color and height.

And your height. Yeah, I think it's wrong.

No, in California your driver's license does include your weight. Here's how it works. The weight listed is self-reported. Lol. Um, it's not verified or measured by the DMV. You can update it at any time you renew or request a replacement if it changes significantly. Oh yeah, once I gain weight, the first thing I'm doing is going to the DMV. Actually, if I lose weight, I'm not carrying around something with my old weight.

That is such a useless thing to have. Like, no wonder they have like billions in like lost taxpayer dollars. Where does the money go? It's like them printing out people's irrelevant weights on their IDs.

You got to tell Spencer Pratt, that's like a campaign promise. I'll remove weights from identification cards. That would be like my whole platform.

But that means everybody needs a new ID. That's also wasteful. Like, maybe going forward we don't have it, but like, you have to think of the spending, coaches. Cardboard.

One thing about me, I'm always thinking about spending.

Thinking about the spending.

Look in, look in the mirror, okay? You're not thinking about the spending.

I'm sitting here being the one thinking about the spending.

You're never thinking about spending. I'm always like, I literally, I get kept up at night about the spending.

I don't know, you went to St. Barts, like I didn't even do that.

I know, I did go to St. Barts. It's so true.

One time Claudia went to St. Barts and it was like the most extravagant thing she's ever done.

Yeah, I was like, it was my Hail Mary. Actually, I saw the tailors over the weekend who I went to St. Barts with and I said to them like, That was the best thing we ever did. It was right before I got pregnant. Like, it was my last hurrah. And I looked at my credit card bill, like, with Taylor Strecker, and like, we both looked at them together after the trip, and hers was double mine. So like, I don't even feel bad.

Yeah, but I just like to like hold that over your head when you like claim to be cheap. When you throw stones.

No, because I'm not cheap. Like, I have multiple Birkins, you know? That's not cheap. People don't do that. I'm just a fiscally responsible person. Like, I don't think that's crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah, getting emotional just talking about this.

You are?

I did something crazy last night.

Oh God, what is it now? What'd you watch?

So do you remember the show Real Housewives of Rhode Island? No, that's actually crazier than doing meth. I— even though I did see a video this morning being like, oh, if you're new to— if you're new to Ashley Iaconetti, like, here's her backstory and how— on how her and her husband met. And I was there for it. I watched all those.

We were back there, front row seat.

But it's actually insane how they met. Like, the 10 years long her begging him to love her, him being like, girl, I do not like you, I will never like you, I have never liked you, like, please go find someone else. For 10 years. She finally meets someone else, Kevin the firefighter, who's now married to Astrid. And the second she gets into a relationship, he's like, wait, I like you, and they get married. Like, it's insane.

I didn't realize Kevin the Yes, was what it took.

And so they're actually like going through marital issues, I've heard, on the premiere of Rhode Island. And it's not surprising given how they met.

Like, no, no, but they— first of all, I don't hold that against them. And even though, like, like I said last week, I don't understand people who are like deep friends for so long, boys and girls, straight, both single, and then it occurs to them to be together. Like, I can't understand that. Um, their marital issues, from what I've seen, like, seem very like normal. Um, he is struggling in his profession. He owns a coffee shop that he started as like, you know, um, like a celebrity coffee shop, and he works really hard at it. I saw a, a scene—

I saw the same clip—

trying to have a conversation, he just like is calling out orders and like, matcha latte. Yeah, he's like, can't stop moving to like save his coffee shop. And because he's like not having professional success, like it makes him feel kind of like a zero, and he just isn't bringing to the relationship. Like, and it's really on him because she's not mad at him about it. But then, like, you know, all the breadwinning is on her. And like, I think it's like very normal stuff.

Well, it's going to get worse because she's about to make more money as a housewife.

But maybe it will be good for their coffee shop and everyone can see how hard he works and how much dedication he puts into every bean.

So I did something crazy last night. Do you remember the show Jerry Duda? That guy Ronald? Like, they did the whole— so they did a second season And I have been hearing some things. I won't say I heard a lot, but like me and Ben were looking for something new. We liked it last time. And so they've changed the premise. It's called Jury Duty Presents, uh, not Couples Retreat, uh, Company Retreat. So it's about this really sweet guy named Anthony who gets— he's a temp and he gets a temping job at this like small hot sauce company. It's like a family-owned business and they're filming it very much like The Office. It's like parody. And when he got the job, he found out that like their big annual company retreat is coming up and he's going to be the assistant for the guy who runs the retreat. The retreat is like this thing they all wait for every year. It's like such a big deal. And this year they're like bringing a documentary crew to like, you know, film the retreat. And it is so not believable. Like, it's like almost slapstick comedy. It's so stupid.

Like, on the first episode, the guy who he's like temping for proposes to this girl who is also at the company, and she's like, we're not even dating. And like, he thought they were dating. Like, it was— it's so stupid.

And they're all making— like, they're all in on it except for—

they're all professional professional actors. They go to the retreat, the people working at the retreat are actors. It's like this big elaborate thing and I just wanna say it's bad. It's bad. Like the jury duty thing was so incredible. It was such a feat in pranking. It was such a feat in television making. This whole courtroom was wired, like completely fake. It was brilliant. Like, and I just wish they just let it be. You know what I mean?

Yeah, they would never have just let it be, but they couldn't achieve it again. And now in hindsight, I'm like, Seriously, what's the point? What's the point?

Well, just to like, the point was to make TV and also that guy Ronald became a star. Like I didn't have this sort of existential feeling.

It's like extreme trust issues now everywhere she goes.

Yes. I also felt when I was watching this guy Anthony is so sweet, right? And I was like, well, this is actually mean.

Yeah. It's stupid and there's no purpose. It doesn't sound remotely enticing. Like I remember during Judy, I watched you on the show. Haha, cool that you did that.

Yes, exactly. Cool that you did that. This, like, cool that you did that.

Don't do it again.

I just feel like no one's gonna tell you what, like, that you need to know that the show is bad. Do not watch it. And it also has commercials because it's like that Amazon freebie thing. Like, I'm out. Freebie out. Because one thing, I mean, I'm Cardboard Koji, but I do not skirt on those premium subscriptions. I just cancel them when I no longer need them. I did have to just resubscribe to Apple Plus because Your Friends and Neighbors is out, although one episode. What are you doing? Oh, I'll wait. Jon Hamm is everywhere. He's on Watch What Happens Live. I keep watching— did this big video with Harper's Bazaar. Like, he's press, press, press, and it worked. It worked on me. Oh yeah, your new show is out, let me go get Apple Plus. And only one episode? Like, I'm literally about to start canceling the subscription between episodes. Like, that's insane.

Not to make their day, but they should have like a resubscription fee so that it actually becomes more—

more expensive—

burdensome for you to cancel and resubscribe. Subscribe.

Why would you say that?

Because I'm a businesswoman, you know.

It ain't your business.

I'm just, I'm just a little—

should we put that, should we put that on Patreon?

I kind of love that.

Like, no, don't. Why? Like, we're not going to— offers that—

we're not going to because we don't like mess with the Patreon price plan. But like, kind of brilliant. Kind of brilliant.

Oh, update from yesterday: my car was not towed. Good. Um, there wasn't even a ticket. So that's how I know like the Lord was on my side yesterday. And I actually, later in the day, ended up getting a manicure and I sat down with my headphones in and I listened to The Toast because it's such a good podcast. And I could sense like I was very tense. Like it was sort of like a ball of tension. It was radiating through the screen. Today I am free. I am relaxed. I am unclenched. What do you want to do? What do you want to talk about?

Everyone will be so excited because Dear Toasters.

Yeah, it's going to be in a lo-fi, so just lock in.

Yeah, it should be in the lobby if things go to plan. But let me ask you something, like, did you really park in the middle of the street after all?

Yeah, yeah.

Next time you have to take a picture of the park.

In hindsight, because now I'm just like, you probably just parked. No, it wasn't even a spot.

I wish we had a picture.

I think it's just actually a testament to how poorly New York City is run, because I absolutely should have been towed. It was true, it was civil, civilly disobedient.

Budget cuts.

Yeah, it was bad for pedestrians. It was bad for everything. Wait, I have to tell you about what's going on on TikTok. There's really like actually crazy drama.

Is it about the person who's trying to cancel Sally? Over my dead body.

No, it's worse actually. It's really bad. What? So you know Noah Beck, right?

Yes. Oh, his sister? Yeah. Wait, tell me the story. I saw a headline, but I was just like, I felt uncomfortable.

I've been seeing headlines like circulating, and then this morning— I always put my TikTok, um, like I have my, um, Octobuddy like stuck to the mirror and I scroll TikTok. It's how I like actually do research before the show. Today I learned about the astronauts going to space. Did you see they named that bright spot on the moon after that guy's husband—

wife, Carol?

Oh, I want to kill myself. Looks so cute. So I learned about things and then I come and bring them up on the shows. So I got stuck in like a Hailey Beck algorithm today, and you guys, it's really fucking bad.

So what did she do?

So literally she was just arrested. Her house was searched because she was having an inappropriate relationship with a student, right? And so she's a teacher in, I think, Arizona, where they're from.

How old is she?

That's a really good question.

It's, um, and then like, how old is the student? Like, not to— like, just to set the scene, she's 27.

Okay, so actually she's a part of a— the student was 18, so like 10 years younger than her. Two high school teachers, um, were accused of sexual misconduct with the same student. Um, and one of them was Hailey Beck, sister of famed TikToker and Baywatch star— all roads lead back to Baywatch— Noah Beck.

That's really crazy.

So what's crazy is that there was this girl on TikTok. So literally, as I'm blowing out my hair this morning, she's reading the text messages because all, every— all this is coming out the deposition. And first of all, the text messages are insane. Like, they— she's like fully admitting to having like a full sexual relationship with this child. And it's actually crazy because if you read the text messages, the girl was saying it like— this is so crazy because also like the student is low-key funny. Like in the text messages, he is like not interested in her. It's crazy. She's like chasing down this child who wants nothing to do with her. And every time she keeps writing these like long messages to him before bed and she's like, even though you never say it back, I love you.

Oh my God.

It's like, girl, not— you're like a pedophile who can't even get it. Like, it's so insane.

The text a picture of her.

The text messages are insane. So cringe, so disgusting.

So it's like not bad enough that she's like a pedophile, like she's also cringe.

She's also cringe and she's like, like unsuccessful, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I'm not really seeing like photos of her.

Oh really? I've seen a thousand of her.

Oh, okay.

Google Hailey Noah Beck.

Noah Beck—

I feel bad for Noah Beck. Like everyone's like, no, are you going to speak out?

Like seriously, leave him alone.

Imagine finding out your sister's a pedophile. Like that's insane.

That's That's really crazy. I'm looking like she's just—

and I believe that they're close. She just looks like a regular girl. She literally like looks like someone's sister.

Yeah, it's a crazy story. Oh my God, I think that they are.

He goes home a lot, like he's always making TikToks with his family. I think that they are close. Oh my God, like please leave Noah Beck alone. Like I can't even imagine what he's going through. Like this is so disgusting.

Over 4,000 text messages and they're all her.

She's like, I cried myself to bed last night thinking of you. And he was like, you're weird. Can you pick me up from the airport, please? Like, he literally will write to her like, you are weird, you are gross. Like, I kind of am obsessed with the student just based on his disposition in the text messages.

You're obsessed with him?

Oh God, sorry, sorry, sorry. Stop, stop. That's actually not funny. I'm having like a toxic relationship with my fan today. Like, When it comes on, I'm too cold. When I turn it off, I'm so hot.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Such is life, you know?

Um, well, yeah, that's really crazy and like fucked up.

No, it's so fucked up. Damn. So that's what I learned on my morning scroll. And I also learned about the astronauts who are currently orbiting like the closest to the moon anybody's ever gotten. And it's like very— it's like a big deal. It's like very emotional.

Yeah. Are they landing on the moon? Is that the plan?

No, I believe that they're orbiting it, like taking pics of things that have never been seen, like landmarks on the moon. And they found this crater that like comes off as a bright spot when you look at the moon. And because they're the first to have discovered it, they're naming it after one of the astronauts' deceased wife who died of cancer. Her name is Carol, so it's called the Carol.

They got to the moon pretty quickly, don't you find? It's just been a couple of days.

Yeah. What's the, uh, machine called?

Artemis.

Is that what it's called? Yeah, yeah, sounds like a homeware brand.

Artemis Art House.

And I'm— yeah, Art House, that's what I was thinking. Um, I also am confused, like, who— whose is this, you know?

I think because I haven't heard— I feel like it's giving NASA because I haven't really heard like Elon or anyone like else talking about it.

Zuck, or who's the other one? Richard Branson.

And I believe the hashtag for the journey is #NASAMoonCrew.

Oh, they're like obviously are having a branding issue and have decided to put their whole, you know, NASA-ssy into this particular rocket ship. Okay, slay. I mean, NASA is the OG. Yeah, like they kind of got eclipsed from, you know, branding and just— so sure, like slay.

Yeah, I also think, you know, always goes back to funding.

One of my favorite episodes of Young Sheldon is when Young Sheldon in like the '80s claims that he's figured out like how to go to space. It's like a simple math equation that NASA hasn't figured out. So he makes his dad drive him to like, oh, the NASA headquarters. He bangs outside the door and the guy's like, I'll take a look. And he gives him his composition notebook and you know that guy never took a look. And then they fast forward 20 years later when they do accomplish the feat of whatever it is, like orbiting the moon or something, which is sending a rocket to space.

Space and then having it land.

Land. They used to just fall into the water and that was it, but now it would break and it was like billions of dollars worth of equipment just in the garbage. Yeah, right. And I watched that documentary actually on Netflix. It's an amazing documentary about the first time Elon sent a rocket to space that safely landed back. Yeah. Um, but they had an episode of Sheldon where 20 years in the future, actually Elon had stolen the composition notebook that Sheldon wrote, and it was like he stole Sheldon's idea. And Elon's actually in the episode. It's very, very funny. It is.

It really is.

Oh, funny stuff.

Young Sheldon, that was a good time.

The best.

Our Young Sheldon era.

I love that show. Yeah, I just love that show. It's— I could actually talk about it all day.

I watched it when I was so pregnant with Charlie, and I remember we were like living in New York and the couch that we were like living on was so uncomfortable, and like it sort of like ruined the show for me. I just remember like the feeling of like, you know, can't get comfy. Of course I had to stop watching, but maybe I'm ready now. He's, he's like 2 and a half. Maybe I'm ready.

And you have to finish it because the ending of Young Sheldon is like so insane.

Okay, but the crazy part about Young Sheldon— no, and don't tell me— the crazy part is that he grows up to be like the most annoying person on Big Bang Theory.

And what's so—

on Big Bang Theory, he grows up to be the most annoying person on Young Sheldon because I think they're developing him into the person that you see on Big Bang, which is like this socially inept, annoying person, rude.

But the great thing is that I think that the showrunners like become very aware that Sheldon's character is really unlikable after like the third season, and they really build out— they develop the other characters— his grandma, his dad, George, and Mandy. Yeah, you learn to love the others so much that Sheldon's barely in the show towards the end.

Well, it's cute as a kid, right, to be like smart.

Yeah, it's the Bran Stark effect, because then the actor goes through puberty and it's like not cute or funny anymore.

No, but it's also like then you have like this teenager who's always like telling you stupid, like, yeah. It's cute when a kid does it. Um, let's get into the story, shall we?

You feel prepared to do today? We've got your toasters.

We do.

We've got it all.

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Our first story: new cover of Vogue. Meryl Streep and Anna Wintour cover Vogue together.

Oh wait, I didn't even see this.

In honor of The Devil Wears Prada 2.

Oh wait, that's like kind of huge.

It is kind of huge. Not only like are they honoring Devil Wears Prada, but Anna is on the COVID Has she ever been on the COVID before?

Definitely not. Oh wait, wow. Oh, and Meryl's on the COVID like in character as Miranda. She's got the Miranda hair and everything.

Yeah, yeah. So, um, ahead of the release, Meryl Streep and Anna Wintour posed together for a very special cover of Vogue, both dressed in Prada. Devil Wears Prada. The shoot was done by Annie Leibovitz. She photographed the pair while Greta Gerwig spoke with the duo for the interview.

Oh, she's not the director of Devil Wears Prada. She's just like a huge fan.

Yeah. And so like she wrote the interview, which I feel like is a good get. They talked about the future of fashion, life in one's 70s, because all 3 women, including Annie Leibovitz, are 76.

And then there's also like fab pictures of them in the back of a limo.

Yeah.

Oh my God. This is like really iconic. I feel like I actually can't remember like a Vogue cover that I actually felt was like really culturally relevant and like shocking. This is shocking to you. Like, this is really good.

Yeah, it's especially shocking because Anne is in it. I don't know why. Like, if it was just Meryl Streep, like, that would be like, okay, they're really, you know, going all in on the movie, which they already were. But the fact that it's the two of them, it's like, in all the years that she's run Vogue, she like never really put herself on the COVID and stuff. So like, that's cool.

And it's funny that like I find Meryl more like— to me, she's the editor-in-chief of Vogue, do you know what I mean?

Even in the pictures, Anna than Anna.

Yes, yes. And it's probably because she plays this like outsized character.

I think she's an actress.

Like, this is so fab, fab, fab, fab. I love this.

Yeah.

Have you been hearing about the book Strangers? Like, everyone's talking about it.

Did Lauren Elizabeth just post about it?

Oh, actually, yes, I think she did.

Okay, so that's the only thing I heard about it. She said that everybody's reading it, but that she read it before everyone did.

Yeah, that must be frustrating. Everyone's reading it, everyone's talking about it. The book has now been optioned, and Gwyneth's gonna play the lady. And I saw the lady was interviewed by Oprah.

Wait, I'm gonna put it on my TBR. One second.

It's about a divorce, and I think it's like what happened to this woman. I don't know what happened, but something.

Strangers. I wish I chose it for redheads. Maybe the next person next year can choose it.

Next year?

It's just called Strangers?

No. Yeah, yeah, it's not. I'll go to—

no, it's not coming up. Let me go to Lauren Elizabeth.

Yes, it is. Who's all reading Everyone.

Everyone who's anyone.

I'm telling you, it's called Strangers.

It's called Strangers.

Great, I'm glad we cleared that up. Fucking pain in the ass bitch.

Like, but it's not coming up on Goodreads. One second. Strangers: A Memoir of Marriage. Okay, want to read.

Um, sorry, back to this cover. I just want to say I think this is so fabulous, and we were talking about 'Cause when they presented Annie Hathaway, Anne Hathaway and Anna Wintour at the, was it the Oscars? We were saying that like this could, you know, there is a line where I think like you engage too much and it's like not funny anymore. I do think this is a very like highbrow way of engaging and I think it's like very fun and it's extremely Turdy approved.

Yeah, they were also talking about how for the first movie they really couldn't get like any wardrobe or they had a hard time like dressing Miranda because no designers wanted to work with them 'cause they didn't wanna piss off Anna.

They were afraid.

Like a little, a little losery to do such an about-face. Like, because the first movie was like—

you're saying on Anna's part?

Yeah, to go from like completely like shunning this movie, blacklisting it, like were they even invited to the Met Gala, to then for the second one to not just like give it your stamp of approval but to be so involved.

She's probably in the movie, by the way. Yeah, of course, for sure.

To be— I agree— so involved because it was like amazing and cool, and like you didn't have the foresight to like see that beforehand. Like, it's just touch of loser.

Yeah. I also think that when the movie was coming out, she was probably in hell. Like, you know, that assistant— it's based on a book, right? Yeah. So this former assistant of her like wrote this like tell-all memoir, fictionalized. It's a nightmare. And then the book gets optioned, right? And Anne Hathaway and Meryl Streep— like, I'm sure this was like a 5-year-long nightmare for Anna Wintour. She obviously didn't realize that it would end up kind of becoming a legacy thing for her. Her not engaging with it, I also think was better because it made us all believe that it was probably based in truth. Um, and so yeah, now I agree, like, it does have a losery element to it, but I'm having fun.

I'm like bandwagon, like, couldn't like see the success that it would be before it happened. But I could also recognize, like, as a human, you know, it's a tough thing for a girl to go through. It's a nightmare.

She's just so like a woman, you know. She is this like icy figure.

No, and they did, they ended up to be like this monster, but like she's so iconic that it's like you have no choice but to respect her.

And I also think in the movie— okay, I guess like when she turns on Stanley Tucci, like that was bad.

No, and also, you know, everyone's like disposable to her. She can't remember anyone's name. Like, that's—

well, when you're an icon like that, like I don't think that you need to be remembering people's names until you become memorable.

But in this day and age, it's like the worst thing that you can be is like toxic workplace. Look at Matilda Jurf.

Wait, you know what I was thinking about yesterday? I'm so glad you brought up Matilda Dürf, because when we talk about cancel culture, we talk about how like everybody pretty much bounces back more often than not bigger, right?

Yeah.

But I was thinking, because I ended up— weirdly, I sent you a picture— I was on Chrissy Teigen's Instagram, and I do feel like she really has been successfully canceled. Like, her Instagram gets so little engagement. I see her doing things like she would never have done in a prior life, and we forget like the level that she was at before. Like, she was you know, safely with Kris Jenner, right?

No, I mean, she was just tapped for everything, like everything.

And she really, like, I want to say she has been successfully canceled. And so has Matilda Djerf. I forgot about her. There was a moment like where every girl wanted to be Matilda Djerf. You, like, if you're a millennial, you might not have heard of her, but she was like the big— she was like becoming an Alex Earle type. She's based in, um, the Netherlands, I think, or Sweden. So she was still like coming to the States. But if you look at her TikTok now, she gets one view. Like literally one view. Yes. And the 3 comments are all about the toxic workplace allegations.

I never was a part of Jerfmania, so I can't like say that it was louder then and quieter now. I really don't know. I just like, I would see her from time to time and then like, then she was like a horrible boss and I don't really know what's happened now.

And if it's her brand Jerf Avenue, which like was becoming the biggest thing 3 likes. Like, they really— and the comments are just like all still about the toxic workplace. It's just interesting how, like, I don't feel like having— going through a scandal really ever affects someone negatively. All in all, it is— unless it's like you killed someone— it is just like a part of the journey. But Matilda Jurf is a great example. And then I was thinking about it last night, Chrissy Teigen.

Yeah. But like Chrissy Teigen just got a hosting gig on that show.

So on Netflix Star Search. Yeah, no, she's not irrelevant.

Right. I feel like for Chrissy Teigen, and I don't know, I can't say what happened to Matilda Djerf, like, because I have no idea. But I feel like for Chrissy Teigen, it was more so like, it's not that the industry canceled her, like she still gets opportunities. The people. It's the people. It's similar to like Balenciaga where it's like, okay, you can pretend like this is like still a popular brand, but like nobody's buying it. Yeah. That's what I mean. Matilda Djerf, I don't know. And I don't know who her fans were before. And if she cultivated the sort of audience that would be be so aghast at the fact— like, if her whole thing was like kindness, you know, and then it turns out it wasn't.

It was just like fluffy bangs and road lip peptides.

Yeah, so she's crazy bangs. She has like the most iconic hair.

Everybody loves her hair, her hair, her makeup, her clothes. Like, she was like the Dairy Boy.

That's what I keep thinking of it as. So it's like, if it turned out—

I think it's a Dairy Boy. I heard a rumor. I texted you this last night. You know, there is a lot of drama in like the tennis wags circle between these two girls, Paige Lorenz and this other girl Morgan.

The thing is, it's like, it's the absence of drama that makes it drama.

Yeah, because they're both— they look exactly like— they're like twin blonde girls who have the same exact Instagram, like tennis esthetic, this whole tennis wag vibe. Like they both cultivated it and they are not friends. Like they're not friends. So obviously there's drama.

And they're like all both top 10.

Their mans are friends.

They're at all of the same tournaments because their mans are playing. There is drama, of course there is, because they're never once associated together and they do the same thing. When I first—

they go to the same tournaments, they take pictures in the same dresses at Wimbledon, like same sense of style, and it's all very Pargy.

Like not many people like operate on that level.

So the fact that it's a unique aesthetic—

yeah, the fact that they don't ever post together when they're always in the same city, in the same, you know, player hotel It's the absence that means the drama.

They fucking hate each other, like confirmed. Um, but the streets are saying that Morgan and her man have broken up, which would leave Paige as the reigning queen of tennis, even though I feel like she won the battle like 2 years ago. Like, she is the essential tennis wag. Um, but it looks like Morgan is like out of the game because her and her man allegedly broke up, even though her man is technically a better tennis player. He's like ranked better than Paige's man, but like, it doesn't matter, you know.

Yeah, Paige is also engaged. Yeah, so that's a major win for a WAG.

Yeah.

Um, Paige also like does merch for Indian Wells with her company. Like, she's so like—

does she?

Yeah, like she did a Dairy Boy collab. Like, when— like, she brings Dairy Boy everywhere and like makes it like a work event for her.

Yeah.

Um, so yeah, she's very much ingrained in the world. So yeah, what does that mean? But I feel like at this point, like, Morgz has become like a, a tennis, uh, personality that like she will probably still go to like events and stuff without her. Oh, I don't agree. I don't agree.

And I think that would be weird.

So you think she's never gonna go to a tennis match again?

Unless she starts dating another player, which I love that for her.

That would be drama.

That would be drama.

No.

So yeah, just an update from the—

sorry, it would be drama if, if Morgz and her man broke up.

Yeah, I think they did.

What makes you think that? I saw it on TikTok, so But anyways, Matilda Jervis would be like, yeah, Paige Lorenz turned out to be like a horrible boss. But like, that's why I'm surprised, because it's like, say that came out, oh, she's toxic workplace, like, okay, like, okay, so don't work there.

Like, and I just want to say, like, call me crazy, but like, I don't give a fuck, you know?

And like, and I think Matilda Jervis like said this in her statement, I just remember this being like the takeaway, sort of like, that's what it like sort of like to be like a very like tunnel vision intense personality operating at a high level, like, and not that she's Anne Wintour, but Like, that's how you get shit done.

And I just want to say, whatever she did probably wasn't even that bad. And like, if it was like a boy, no one would care. So please.

Yeah. So I don't know why it didn't— she didn't bounce back. Because if I heard that about like Paige, I'd be like, okay, like, no.

Matilda Djerf like was a successful cancelation. There's just a few people— shout out in the comments, who else do you feel like has been truly successfully canceled? Because for the most part, everyone bounces back. And in hindsight, you realize it was kind of like a good thing for your brand, you know, unless you were accused of like rape or murder, right?

Right, right.

I'm not talking about like things with like criminal, criminal allegations. I'm talking about, oh, I ran into her in the street once and she was mean, you know?

Yeah, classic.

Even that, even that Danielle Bernstein, they can't, you cannot, can't, they cannot keep her down. And I just want to say, we, we didn't talk about it because it was over the holidays, but she called off her engagement. And I just want to say, I love this arc for her where she's sort of like the Evelyn Hugo of the digital world. I think that's actually a great niche for her, and I need her to keep getting engaged and calling off her engagements.

Wasn't this her first engagement?

Yeah, but she's like a serial monogamous girl. Like, she's had like 5 or 6 really long-term relationships, and it's always will they, won't they, will they, won't they. And then she did, and now I just like— I think she needs to get married and divorced, you know? I love— I think this is actually great for her in terms of her image, like bounce back.

Well, I was saying she needs to go and call her daddy.

She needs to go and call her daddy.

Like, because I feel like nobody knows like what happened. Everyone's talking about it, was like the biggest deal She like doesn't do podcasting that much.

Like, there are so many rumors, like both online and like in New York. Everyone was talking about it.

She needs to go on.

I'm sorry, she's deeply interesting.

Yeah, that would have been good. I wonder why— I wonder if like if it was even in the— anyone thought of it.

I get the sense that Danielle actually really does not want to talk about it, just based on like following her and stuff. I used to be really good friends with her. I barely know her, so I'm just like saying this is like true culture commentary. I just get the sense, like, her content— she moved on real quick. Like, she's not doing, like, quote cards, you know?

Right.

There hasn't been a single quote card. You can't keep her down. And that's the thing, like, who's had more scandals than her? Nobody. But she's deeply interesting. And, like, and at the end of the day, she also has really good style. And, like, like, she does have, like, influence on, like, fashion and, like, what the girls on the internet are wearing and how they're decorating their homes. So at the end of the day, like, cream rises.

Cream rises. But I thought Jerf was cream.

I thought Jerf was cream too. Like, Jerf had— Jerf had the goods.

I thought Jerf was cream.

Jerf equals creamy. Title. Title.

And you have to listen to this episode to understand what that meant. Just go walk up to someone in the street and say, I thought Jerf was cream, and they'll have you institutionalized.

The funny thing is, like, if before this conversation you just said to me, I thought Cherif had the cream, like, I think I would have been able to figure it out. There are context clues.

I thought Cherif had the cream. But so did she not have the cream?

She did. Like, she was like a very much— like, her brand was like a mix of like Road and Dairy Boy.

Yeah.

And like Roller Rabbit.

Yeah. And yeah. Guess it wasn't creamy enough.

Loving Meryl on the COVID We took that really far.

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Frankie Paul is leaving the Mormon Church, reveals panic attacks amid Dakota Mortensen and Bachelorette scandal. She posted saying the last 40 days have felt like hell on earth. So Taylor Frankie Paul is emerging online, as though we know she was lurking. She's now posting. She posted probably a better first follow-up to like the last few weeks, which was like a, a, uh, a montage of like her praying and crying and Bible verses and like her spiritual journey that she's been on and how she's turned to God. But she also did include how she's sort of like stepped away from the Mormon Church at this time, though.

She hasn't stepped away from like religion and God.

Yes, yes. And then some people were theorizing that maybe she was kicked out of the church.

Church. Yes, definitely. Um, they're like hella strict, and this is not good. I think even like a lot of the Salt Lake City Housewives like were on probation when they started, you know, acting like that on TV. Um, it does feel a bit like she's blaming Mormonism for like her poor decisions, which I don't know.

I didn't get that.

I did, being like, oh, I'm gonna be better now because I'm not Mormon.

Oh, oh, I didn't, I didn't feel that way.

I've also just like lost a lot of my like Patience. Care.

Oh, care.

Yeah, um, because I do believe she's like a deeply wounded individual through circumstances that like were not her own. Like maybe she didn't make good decisions, but like at the end of the day, like she didn't protect her kids.

Yeah.

And so I just, I really want good for her, but like I am like, I'm sort of laying her to rest and like when you're healed and doing better, like sure, come find me. But I really don't want to get on the roller coaster again. You know, she's kind of erratic, not to use, uh, Kyle Richards' words against her.

Um, yeah, yeah, it's just sad. I mean, we've all moved on to West Mandeville.

We really have.

Like, this is so old, but like, this was the craziest thing that ever happened.

And if I'm Taylor Frankie Paul and I'm praying, I'm also like thanking the Lord for Amanda Batula's bad decisions, right? Like How much longer would the salamouth thing— we were still in the thick of it when Scamanderball, you know, uh, Westman— I can never say the fucking name right. When— because, because the thing is, Jackie, I know like you have branded it Westman, but like the internet is calling it Scamanda.

That doesn't work. They can call it Scamandal if they want.

Scamanderball.

Scamandal. It's a scandal of Amanda. A Scamandal. But you can't call it Scamanda because that sounds like she's a fraudster.

Well, she kind of is. Um, we were very much in the thick of it when this, uh, Scandal Ball happened. So I think a lot of the other Mormon wives, like, are annoyed that their, um, light has been stolen. Like, I think Jesse's definitely annoyed, and she's, like, bending over backwards with Marciano. And then, like, also making— did you see she, like, posted a TikTok? Like, yeah, being like, I'm making bad decisions, this is hard. I, like, sure, whatever. Um, I think a lot of the girls were like like, you know, benefiting from the scandal. But now it's Summer House's turn.

Yeah, I still can't believe Amanda did that. Like, I actually can't. Like, I'm— I'll be curious to hear from her at the reunion because, like, right now she doesn't feel like a real person to me. Like, someone who we've watched on TV, like, make a decent amount of sense. Everybody liked— like, she wasn't a crazy individual.

Everybody liked her.

Like she seemed like somewhat like reasonable, whatever.

Yeah, she's a normal girl.

How— like, I'll be very curious to hear what she has to say because right now she just seems like such a caricature of a person that would do something like this.

Like, everything we've known about her has been a lie, right? Because she is this sort of like devious, and now we're all looking back on things like maybe you are this hidden mean girl. So it's like, who are you even?

Yeah. And I'll just wonder who she like shows up as and like like who she's— how she's gonna talk.

Her decisions have been so poor.

And you know what was such a poor decision that's just dawning on me? The fact that her and Wes released a joint statement. Yeah, that is so crazy. Not only was the statement shite, you couldn't even write two of them.

Oh, and as far as I know, they had had no prior communication with Sierra. Like, she read the statement and that's why she broke down on the street. She wasn't breaking down because it was the first time, you know, she heard about them as a couple.

Seriously, what sort of crazy stupid lunatic puts out that statement before you've spoken to the person that you heard about it? Like, how stupid do you have to be? I, I— it's— I'm in disbelief. That's why I actually want to hear from her, because I'm still holding space that a person is not that stupid.

Not only that, what kind of person puts out like a joint statement, literally burns their whole life to the ground— friendships, relationships, uh, reputation, without knowing for sure that the guy is not seeing other people.

No, that's why, like, Claudia, I'm telling you, I'm—

there's a— there's an element of unbelievability because it's so unbelievable.

And so I'm like waiting. I'm not just like— like, because I, I— maybe I'm in denial, but I just don't believe that someone could be so stupid, short-sighted, self-destructive, and self-indulgent. Yeah, I really just don't. So I'm really— that's why I need the reunion.

I'm very curious what the numbers will be. How many people watched the, um, Scandoval reunion? How many viewers did the Vanderpump Rules reunion have during the Scandoval scandal?

Scandoval scandal.

They did not know Scandoval. Scandoval. Because I think this will probably have more. Or I don't know, it was so big.

I don't think this will have more.

So the part 1 of the reunion, which was, uh, aired in 2023, had around 4.6 million viewers across all, you know, Peacock and everything. It became the most watched Bravo episode of any show in over 9 years, the highest obviously in Vanderpump Hills history. The season finale right before that had about 4.1 million viewers.

The reason why I don't think it will have more viewers is, one, I think Pump Rules was a more popular show than Summer House.

Yes.

I think that even though people watch Vanderpump Rules in the beginning and maybe didn't watch the following seasons, they still knew Tom and Ariana, and then Raquel is a random, but like that there was a third person.

What's the most watched Bravo episode in history?

And if you even watch the beginning episodes of Summer House, you don't know who Sierra West and— right, you may know Amanda, but like you have to really be watching the last two seasons to know who these people are. And you actually have to be watching to understand why it's a big deal that like Amanda is hooking up with like her friend friend's ex-boyfriend of 6 months.

So Scandaval reunion is the most watched Bravo episode ever. And then before that, Bravo's biggest episodes were typically the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunions, especially during the Nene Leakes years. That's like a slay on Nene's part.

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure like table flipping is in there for sure, even though nobody knew that was going to happen at the time. Like, so it didn't get viewers live.

It probably has like a lot of like views on YouTube.

Yeah, it might be like their most viral moment.

It. Yeah.

Are you ready for our third story?

Yeah.

Chloe Fineman is—

oh my God—

facing backlash, and Vanity Fair faces scrutiny over editing controversial Chloe Fineman video about her pantsing a 6-year-old boy at summer camp. So Chloe Fineman and her SNL co-stars like did some video for Vanity Fair and she wound up telling a story about how she got fired from, uh, working at a summer camp.

What job has you ever been fired for? And she was like, summer camp.

What happened? As a teenager, she said that she had like pantsed one of the campers. And the video that Vanity Fair put out, she like tells the story and they cut out like a lot of the cast members' reactions and details from the story, some of the like really cringy details.

Um, and the edited version has now come to light.

Now the edit— the raw footage has come to light. Her cast members are like very much like shook by the story she's telling, and the story is even worse for her in the way that she's telling it.

Like about, um, so she says that like she got fired because she ended up pantsing this boy who was 6 years old, and when she pantsed him, he didn't have any underwear on, and a school bus drove by, so like all these kids saw his penis. And not only is that like just a disturbing story, the more details she adds, like talking how, you know, he wasn't wearing underwear, so his little dingaling was just disgusting.

The way she's telling the story the fact that she's telling the story.

Um, and then also that she had like a weird relationship with this camper, because every time she would see him, you know, she would ask for a hug and he would lift her shirt up.

He would like ask her for— he would be like, hey, can I have a hug? And then she'd go to hug him and he'd lift his shirt up. So that's why she wound up pantsing him. Like, the story, like, aside, because, you know, also when you're camp counselor, like, you're also like young and stupid.

Like, it could be explained away. Like, the way she's telling it is so weird.

Yeah. And the fact that she's telling it, and the, the, and the fact that she doesn't like see now that maybe like that's not something that you should share And so then her cast members are like, that's— are you on some list? Like, and they— Vanity Fair cut that out. So not only did they cut out the story a little bit to make Khloé look better by, um, taking out some of like the weird ways she describes the incident and the jokiness, but also if I were the cast members, I'd be mad that they cut out our reaction because being shocked, it looks like we're just like, oh yeah, Pam's a 6-year-old, that's our friend Khloé.

Yeah, dingaling.

So everyone's getting backlash for this, I think rightfully so—

Chloe Fineman is weird. She's like a Scientologist. Like, she's weird.

This is just like totally— like, I don't know what the word—

not funny.

Not funny. I hate the word, like, tone deaf, but like—

I know, it's just weird when these things happen because like, you know how many people were in the room at the time? Chloe's publicist, you know, always looking out for your talent. The editors, the social media managers, so many people like saw this before it went live, and that one person was like, you know, this is a weird story, let's just cut it.

Well, you know, yeah, but the thing is like someone thought something because they cut out some of it. So they did realize that and either cut all of it or at least put all of it in so that like we can see that the other cast members like realize that this is a weird story to tell. Like, why are you protecting her from like keeping out like the worst sound bites from the story? It's not a good—

ultimately making the other people look bad.

Yeah, I would be pissed if I was like outraged at the story and then they cut that out and then I look like I'm just sitting there like, oh yeah, Pants and kids.

No, fucking weird.

Yeah, really weird.

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That definitely works for me.

Our next story: Hailey Bieber is teasing a new road launch alongside her husband Justin Bodyrock, um, ahead of his new—

I wanna see your body rock, what you got? A billion could never buy. That's definitely Justin Bieber's best song, Beauty and the Beat. It's just unfortunate that he could never sing it because you gotta keep an eye out for Selena. She just sort of like made it, you know, it's a time capsule for sure, but she made it unplayable in the Bieber household. That must be hard for Hailey.

They should put out a remix and change it.

Yeah, I get like a new, um, like you could have Nicki come back and do a new verse or like a different rapper that Justin's friends with, like something.

Gotta keep an eye out for Hailey.

Yeah, that was definitely like—

but like Selena, like that has been so core to who I am. Yeah, I think that's why I say er with everything.

And it was definitely a feat in music, like songwriting, you know?

It's like, oh, Selena doesn't rhyme, but Selener does.

I think that it definitely changed the course of like history, and she should be put in the Songwriting Hall of Fame for just that one thing.

It changed the course of my life. Sabrina Taylor, but I gotta keep an eye out for Selener anyways.

I wanna feel your body rock.

Justin are launching like a Bieber, and you got to keep an eye out for Selena.

They're launching a collab.

They're launching a collab for what seems to be pimple patches. Road X the Biebers.

Seems like a natural next step for Hailey's skincare brand. Um, no? Yeah. Oh, okay, I thought you were going to disagree.

No, I was going to ask you a question.

And Justin is like known for leaving the house like paparazzi in his Star pimple patches. So, you know, yeah, I love it.

What are your thoughts on people leaving the house in pimple patches like they're, you know, a lipstick?

So I think it was started in earnest, like, you know, we shouldn't be afraid of our pimples. And like, it's annoying, like, if I have 12 hours to kill before an event and I want the pimple to go down and I'm like going out to lunch, like, yeah, I do think like people have taken it really too far, like showing up to business conferences with like a purple star pimple patch on their face. Yeah, or like work, or I don't know, like I think I'd rather stare at a pimple patch than like a big white pimple.

You think so? It's never like a big white pimple, and I don't notice it. Like, I just think it's a really crazy thing to do. Like, outside of, you know, running a quick errand or like going to the airport, that seems like a good place for a pimple patch. Like, I don't— I'm not loving the trend of just really normalizing them in everyday life. Or do like one of the clear ones and like sort of blend it into your skin, but to just be like, hey, I have a zit. I think it's so crazy.

Yeah, I know what you're referencing because we did recently eat out at a restaurant and one of the staff members was wearing a pimple patch. Um, and you know what, at least for me, like from a hygiene standpoint, like the pimple was covered, like I'm all good. But it is this sort of—

you're so full of it. You thought it was crazy too.

I think that, you know, when we look back, like how people used to get dressed up for the airport, right?

By the way, I'm the first one to say I don't dress up for the airport until they make flying a humane experience again. Agree. You can wear your pajamas.

But I think it does speak to the overall, you know, deterioration of how people look in public, right? When you compare it to like, people used to leave the house in like a petticoat, a corset, and a ball gown, you know? And now literally you're wearing a pimple patch on your face. So yeah, it's crazy.

So it's crazy. I would say like it's a, it's a trend in the wrong direction.

Like, I think it's cute. Like, I think teenagers wear it to school. Like, I think that's cute.

I think that that can be cute because also, like, teenagers have acne problems.

I'm not gonna come out with a blanket statement saying whether I think it's good or bad. You have to give me the circumstance and I'll tell you if it's appropriate.

Okay, but I'm not talking about teenagers, just so you know. Yeah, I think it's a cute way for, like, teenagers to deal with their hormonal acne.

And I think that Hailey Bieber now, like, entering the convo with Justin, like, giving it the stamp of approval, like, it's only going to get worse.

So, Gerger Loewens, I feel like some people are wearing them and they don't even have a bad pimple. Absolutely nothing, but that people just will put them on anything just like because it's—

if they had pimple patches like as a part of the trends when I was in high school and I had that mole on my face, like you bet your ass I was wearing a pimple patch to school every day.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not talking about like kids and who are just doing it for attention. No, and like they are insecurities. And I also like have more acne. Not that adults don't have acne, but like that's just part of the era where you have more people and you're also like more insecure because you're a Could we talk about the fact that we got RealiActivies? We got PR. Yes, I got RealiActivies, and the, the packaging is so— the, the bottles are just so pretty.

By the way, for anybody who doesn't know, we got Alex Earle's skincare brand, RealActivs, but of course, because we are us, it's RealiActivies.

Have you used it yet? And I'm also a little confused, like, am I okay to use it as a sensitive, swirly— that doesn't have an acne problem? I have other problems.

You are. I haven't used it yet because, like, I have— I currently have, like, open products. I'm not, like, opening more than one cleanser, you know what I mean?

I would maybe do the— like, I feel like the makeup balm. I've never really used a makeup balm. I want to try that, and I feel like that's just a regular makeup balm. But like the other thing that has, you know, and everyone's with the shea butter, and like it has the, like, the maypole at 8%, and everyone's— it's so funny how everyone knows like every detail of her ingredients.

Like, right now everybody's suddenly an esthetician.

Yeah. Oh, they said 8%. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I will use it like the next time I need a new cleansing balm, you know, but I'm currently using a pack of Neutrogena, and that's just the phase that I'm at, and I don't want to hear it.

I'm at a fucking disposable wipe phase, period. If that makes me like a forever millennial, I don't care. What are you guys doing? Washcloths abound?

So I, for like 3 years, switched to cotton pads and micellar water. Not for the environment, 'cause cotton pads are also now like, it's a disposable cotton pad. But I felt like it was a more effective way of getting my skincare excuse me, my makeup off. And I do stand by, like, the Garnier micellar water and a cotton pad, like, is the best way to get your makeup off, especially if you wear, like, a waterproof mascara. Um, but, like, it's two products, you know. A makeup pack of makeup wipes, I buy, you know, a pack of five and I'm set for a year.

The makeup wipes, like, they leave me wanting for nothing, wanting nothing. Yeah, I have no issue with them.

And I know, I know they're bad, like, ingredient— like, I know, but I don't care.

I accidentally buy the fragrance ones and those stink. Purple? Uh, no, even blue, some of them are fragrance. Purple is a different fragrance, that's like a nighttime one.

I kind of like that.

And then I'm like walking around, I'm like, who's in my house? I'm like, oh, it's my face. Yeah, who's this stunk in my house?

I like the purple.

Oh, it's crazy.

Sometimes I get like a little crazy.

Yeah. And what about the teal? Not the blue. You ever do that?

No. Oh no, never teal. Like, I just feel like they try— speaking of like things they tried to cancel, they tried to cancel, and I got on board. Like, I switched for years. And I'm sorry, like, good is good, good is great.

The first 2 days that I was in Dallas, I didn't have Neutrogena makeup wipes. And let me tell you, when I finally got my hands on one, yeah, I could breathe. Like, oh my God, like trying to scrape off my makeup in the shower. Do you remember those makeup wipes that were circles that we used to use? Like in our camp days. Like, they came in a circular tin.

They were also Neutrogena?

No, I feel like they were— I don't remember the brand, but they were like Allure Best of Beauty.

Oh no, no, they were also Neutrogena, but they were just for your eyes. Like, but you did that.

I guess that was like when we were kids and we just wore eye makeup because we didn't wear face makeup because we didn't have like pimples or anything. But like, those were pretty good.

Yeah, but now I'm sorry, if it ain't broke.

Yeah, but I'll try cleansing balm for, for mostly for Sally.

I've done a cleansing balm. It's actually a very effective also way, but like then you have to splash water on your face and then like I'm wet, my whole shirt's wet, and then I have to go stain my towel by like getting— yeah, right, exactly.

And then I have like black dots and an orange towel, and am I washing the towel every day? I'm not using that again.

I guess like a good way to do it is to like get in the shower after, like, oh yeah, like do it right before you walk into the shower with your eyes closed, like Naked and Afraid. What are you guys doing? Neutrogena for life.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

I am.

Some tea from the '90s. Word on the street is that Carolyn Bessette had a feud with Gwyneth Paltrow during her— during her Calvin Klein years.

Oh wait, I'm obsessed.

So reportedly Carolyn Bessette was not a fan of Gwyneth Paltrow, who she encountered working for Calvin Klein. The author Amy Odell wrote in Gwyneth: The Biography. So this woman has written a biography about Gwyneth, saying one of the publicists on the brand's small team who helped Gwyneth at the fashion house was Carolyn Bessette. According to one person familiar with her thinking, Gwyneth irked her. When there were pictures of Gwyneth in the papers, Bessette, who viewed Gwyneth as, quote, Little Miss Perfect, would make cutting remarks about her.

Oh my God, she was obsessed. Um, but I guess the team did not respond to comment at the time.

Like, when it was 26, there was like an incident at the Calvin Klein show. Everyone else is like standing in traffic, waiting in lines, and like she was literally like helicoptered into the show and like walked to the front row.

Um, sorry, so jealous.

And it was not that even like she demanded it. She was also like pretty quiet and just like— didn't—

sorry, all the Gwyneth Paltrow hate is so forced, Carolyn Bessette included. Like, sorry, you're jealous. Carolyn, uh, Gwyneth Paltrow like has always been that girl. She was born that girl. She evolved into that girl. She is like, you know, sunsetting into retirement as that girl. Everyone's so fucking jealous of her. Even Carolyn Bessette, like the girl, you know, who everyone wanted to be, she wanted to be Gwyneth. It makes sense.

Also, I feel like it's another situation like Paige and Morgz where it's like, if they're not friends, if they weren't friends at the time, like then there was beef because they should have been friends. They are really similar, both really like iconic and classy and similar sense of style. So like if they— and if they were like always in the same orbit with like Gwyneth being a Calvin girl and they didn't like Keke, that's because they hated each other.

Absolutely. Yeah, Team Gwyneth. Oh, for sure, for sure.

Yeah, I feel like the show has like not— I mean, ultimately it's probably been good for Carolyn Bessette-Seliger to see so many people are talking about her and knowing her.

But no, I think it's also been like enormous justice for her in the way that she died. But in terms of her and like her style, like her being like so effortless. But like, if you looked at the— if you watch the show with a keen eye, like they made her come off annoying and rude.

I feel like now— I feel like once when they died and ever since then, it's like no one ever said anything remotely negative about them. Like, it was such a tragedy what happened to them. They were such an iconic couple, and like, that's it, period. But now that like her personality is like coming back into the conversation, like, people are like saying like crazy things about her, whether or not they're true. And I just sort of feel like what was once like an untarnished legacy, like like no one spoke. Like, now people are like saying stuff, and I don't know that that's been necessarily good.

And that— yeah, that's also annoying because the personality that they gave her, like, they just made up. Nobody really knows what she was like. She was enormously private.

Yeah, but even like people who are saying they knew what she was like and she used to, you know, do this and that, like, it's not good. Whereas before, no one said anything bad.

Yeah, I thought the show was ultimately bad for the legacy of John F. Kennedy Jr., like, asshole killing those two girls. Yeah, thinking he could fly a plane without a pilot. Like, who do you think you are? And he was a bad husband. And like, I read rumors that he did cheat on her. I also read rumors that she continued her relationship with her ex-boyfriend like well into their marriage, right?

But no one was saying that before the show is what I'm saying.

Of course, right? It's also kind of like Princess Diana. Yeah, until The Crown. Like, I feel like her legacy was untouchable, but The Crown, like, there's some weird stuff in there. And like, people like whisper about it before, just like in terms of her.

But you couldn't say it.

You couldn't say because like, who was—

it was tragic.

Tragedy left behind two young boys.

Like, period.

Looking at— taking a deeper look at her personal life in The Crown, it was like, well, I don't think this person was necessarily, like, sound of mind.

Yeah. Well, those are stories. Do you—

I want to say something that you don't want to do.

Tear Toasters. Are you going to push it?

I do want to do Tear Toasters. We should do it tomorrow, but because, like, the episode's long and I want to get it out.

I'm always with you, but we have to do it today or else, like—

obviously, obviously. No, I would never.

I would never.

With one eye Welcome to Dear Toasters, our usual weekly advice segment where Jackie and I try to help out our community. You know, you guys always show up for us streaming, getting us in the charts. We want to give back. You know, this is a philanthropic segment. We want to help out our girls in need. So if you ever wanted advice from us, write to us, deartoasters@gmail.com, or head to our website, thetoastpodcast.com, to get a little advice from us. Write in about relationships, work stuff, drama in your bachelorette group, you know, whatever. Ready?

Yep.

These are the ones I chose for last week, so I don't really remember them.

That's good though. You'll have like— you'll be surprised. Surprised. That's always fun.

Oh, okay, this was weird. My sister, who's 31, mentioned to me that her husband, who's also 31, has been getting on her nerves. She mentions that he constantly hawks up a loogie in her house, to which I responded, that's really gross. But it got worse. She said he'll spit it right after into the dirty clothes bin because, as he says, it'll all get washed after. Please, for the love of God, tell me that this is diabolical and grounds for divorce. Thanks, love you, bye.

That's diabolical. Now here's the thing, like I guess he's like not wrong.

All in all, like, it's not unhygienic, it's just so fucking weird.

Fucking crazy.

It's kind of like, I guess, like, like putting a dirty diaper in like the kitchen garbage, like it's gonna get taken out later.

No, Claudia, this is different.

Who thinks like that? Like, I'm actually— I just think that's actually a crazy way for someone's brain to work.

Yeah, there's so—

I don't have a problem with the act, I guess. No, but no, I do.

There are so many places you could spit. It's like disrespectful to to like spit on your things when there's plenty? And like, the dirty clothes bin is like in the corner of the room, in the bathroom. Like, first of all, if you're in the bathroom, spit in the sink, spit in the toilet, sink, toilet, shower. So I feel like he's going out of his way because if you're in the kitchen, where is he spitting? Like, spit in the sink, spit in the trash. Why? What you're walking—

like, are you then gonna go like spit if you're in your— you know, you have to haka lugi and you're putting the kid to bed, are you putting it in your kid's hamper?

Like, when they have like a literal diaper pail right next to it, I'm—

I've I like— I have so many questions as to how we got here.

I just feel like all in all it's a personality flaw because I feel like he's doing it for attention. Like, hey, look at me. And yeah, it all goes— so what, put all your meal in a blender? It all goes to the same place, right?

Put in a feeding tube while you're at it.

Like, I just think he's trying to be cool and like irreverent, and it's really nasty.

Yeah, not to make this a bigger deal than it is, but he sounds just like an awful person.

Yeah, and you might want Check that.

And there's actually something a little queer about— no, I'm kidding. He's a spinner. Hey, Jackson Turd, girly swirlies. I have a dilemma. For context, my husband has epilepsy and I'm a very, very heavy sleeper. So a couple of nights ago, I randomly woke up in the middle of the night because the bed was shaking like an earthquake. I was very disoriented and my first thought was, oh my God, my husband's having a seizure in his sleep. I look over, he's completely wrapped in the blanket, like fully cocooned. With a lot of movement going on underneath. At this point, I get into full emergency panic mode, so I yank the covers off of him as fast as I can to help, to help him. And I find out that he's very much not having a seizure. He's on his phone watching adult content on mute, and he was just— and let's just say he was very close to crossing the finish line of a solo activity he absolutely thought I was asleep for. He jumps up and looks completely shocked. He screams, I screamed, and then we both just roll over, go back to sleep. No words, nothing at all.

The issue is it's been days, we have not acknowledged it at all, not even a joke. It's like it never happened, except I think about it constantly and I can't stop laughing to myself. Do I bring it up? Do I pretend it never happened? Please help. Sincerely, a woman who thought she was saving her husband's life.

Bring it up because you can't stop thinking about it, and like, that's your husband, you should be able to talk to him about whatever. And it's like, just bring it up and have a laugh and move on.

Yeah, not to make like obviously a bigger deal out of it, like it's probable that he like just couldn't sleep and like maybe it was gay porn. No, no, that's not what I was gonna say, but good question. What type of porn was it? Like, was he watching in secret? Was he watching in secret because it was like bad porn?

No, but he wasn't watching in secret. He was right watching right next to you.

Was it ethically sourced?

He was watching right next to you.

No, of course. What I was gonna say was though, like, was he hiding to see if like a porn problem? That's like the only thing where this could be bad. Other than that, that. If he just like needed to go to sleep and couldn't fall asleep and just needed to blow off some steam, like fine, I think a lot of people do that. But I need to know if this is like a porn problem. But I guess if it was a real porn problem, he wouldn't be doing it right next to you.

And I think you can just bring it up.

It's funny, like not talking about it makes it weird.

Of course, you could just be like, by the way, I legit thought you were having a seizure the other night. Like, that was just so crazy, LOL.

Just being like, wait, I totally forgot until right now. Like, that crazy thing that happened, you screaming at him screaming, does remind me of the time that Ben walked in on me on the toilet in the pitch black. And like was in the middle of the night and I screamed at the top of my lungs, and then he screamed. And it happened twice. One time when I was pregnant and I really hurt my knee cuz I fell. I was like— I literally was like— it took my breath away. I collapsed.

You guys should get like little lights, you know.

We did actually, in the other apartment where the first one happened, but we— I just didn't put it on. How is our new bathroom laid out? There's a window actually in the new bathroom, and it's very bright, so he wouldn't be able to scare me.

Okay. That's good. You guys like can't be trusted to live together.

It's so true. Um, so to the girl, like, definitely bring it up because now you have like a weird secret in your marriage, and like the secret is what makes it weird. The situation is just funny.

It is.

Hey girlies, am I overreacting? I went out to dinner the other night with a girl, so my husband was in charge of doing baby evening and bedtime routine— feeding, dinner, which is basically bottle, bath, bed. I'm pretty particular about the schedule and routine, so I typically do bedtime on a normal night, so my husband honestly doesn't do it that much, which I'm fine with because I like doing the cuddles. That being said, my baby is sleep trained and she goes to sleep on her own pretty easily these days. While I was out to dinner, I saw on the monitor that she was having more issues than normal. I thought it was nothing until she woke up crying again at 3 AM, which she really doesn't do that much anymore. When I went in to check on her, I picked her up and she was soaking wet. I immediately realized that my husband did not put a diaper on her and she was soiling herself at night. Luckily it was just pee, but I was furious.

How could you— any diaper on?

How could you be so stupid? Am I overreacting? Was this just overlooked after bath time and a mistake on his part, or am I valid in thinking he's absolutely ridiculous and he obviously needs to do more on his end with the baby?

Oh my God.

So sometimes you do just like forget to do something like so obvious. I feel like, um, it's never like the diaper, but it's like, oh, I didn't moisturize his legs, you know? Like things like you just completely forget about. The diaper is sort of like an essential—

it's a non-negotiable for a baby. If you didn't do the sleep sack. I—

yeah, yeah, sometimes you're like, oh my God, I forgot to put the sleep sack on.

Yeah, yeah. Or like, I thought you were going to say he didn't change— like, he gave the baby a bottle and then didn't change the baby once more, so like the diaper was just super wet. Forgivable. Not putting on a diaper on a baby is crazy. But like, I— what I would also—

like, no underwear? So like the baby just had like— went commando in a onesie? Like, did he not think that was weird?

This baby— but you're saying baby and sleep trained, so it's giving like like it's giving like a year. Yeah, under a year. Um, so yeah, that's really crazy. But, but what I will say is like when you go out, things aren't gonna be done your way. And like, as long as like when you get home, like you can, like, so the baby woke up at 3 and that's when you discovered it.

So you got to go out and, you know, Jackie, oh my God, no, I'm sorry. The bar is in hell. I understand that particular—

that's what I said. What I was gonna say, the diaper, the fact that there's not a diaper on a baby is the craziest thing I ever heard. But like in general, like, yeah, of course it's not gonna be—

it might be 20 minutes later, 20 minutes early. Yeah, of course.

I'm sorry, this is not that, you know. Maybe you expect the baby to fall asleep on their own. Maybe he's rocking the baby, you know. Things aren't going to happen the way that you want them to happen. Of course, like, people will get it done and then when you're home you can—

no, this is negligent.

But this is—

this man does not spend enough time with his baby.

That's really insane. A diaper on a baby, that's kind of like the only thing.

I can't, I can't imagine a, a person who has spent 5 minutes with a baby getting him changed or her changed and putting the baby naked into a onesie like feels normal. Like that's insane. That's, that's a real lack of experience. Yeah. You know what it sounds like? It sounds like you gotta start going out more. Like he needs some more solo training.

Yeah. I guess it's like if he can just remember the diaper. Like everything else is okay, you know? No, because I'm trying to think if there's anything else aside from like feeding the child, anything else that like literally you have to do. Like you don't have to do the sleep sack, right?

No, the food and the diaper is essential.

Yeah, I guess they have forgotten—

he's not an essential worker.

They have to be wearing pajamas. But if they were wearing a sleep sack and no pajamas, that would be weird. But like, they could sleep.

Not, not crazy. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be worried about the state of your husband if he put— sometimes when like it's warm outside, I'll like put Ruby in just an undershirt and sleep sack.

I would say the lights have to be off.

Yeah. You see, look at, look at what we're saying now. Like the bar has been lowered so sufficiently that we're worried about him turning on. Actually, the other night, so in Ruby's room, when you walk in, there's like a hallway and then the room.

Okay.

Hallway, and there's two light switches, one for the room and one for the hallway. And I turned— I put Ruby down. Like, sometimes you forget to put the sound machine on. That's like—

that's not as important as the lights.

So I put Ruby down, um, I put the— I turned the light off in his room, and he took like 20 minutes to fall asleep. I'm like— and he was so tired. I'm like, I wonder why. Like, maybe he was having like, you know, belly issues or whatever. And then like 10 minutes later, I realized I forgot the bottle, so I went back into the room to grab the bottle so I could wash it. He was fully asleep, and I realized I left the hall light on, and It was like something so, I was like, ah, but not an essential. But it was basically like having a big nightlight on.

Yeah, not an essential. But so I would say diapers, there are only a couple things that are super essential.

So you need to go out more, you need to reiterate to him.

And diapers for sleep.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's really messed up.

This is bad.

You need to make him feel sufficiently bad about it for sure.

Yeah, and you're also not overreacting. And I get that you're like a control freak, but at a certain stage, like when a baby's, he can and should be left alone with his father. Father.

Yeah, yeah.

Because we skipped last week and I do have like one remaining quick little funny one. That's obviously— that's about us. It's about us. Hey, Surly's. Recently my husband's getting really— sorry. Hey, Surly's. Recently my husband has been getting more into my interests to show that he cares, and he has started becoming obsessed with the toast. He now listens on his own and is using words like pargy, and he calls me a Swirly. At first I adored it. Such queeny behavior, I thought. But it's become an ick now, and I even hear him saying it with his guy Is my husband, don't make me say it, gay? So I know that we do have some, some few straight male listeners.

But straight male listeners who didn't come here like with their wives and girlfriends? No.

A lot of them got here, they were dropped off by a wag.

And like, do they go then in their own car and listen? No, they like don't mind when the wife puts it on.

I don't know that this is the case, but I feel like if you grew up in a house with like a lot of sisters and like loud women, then you might find comfort in this show. Um, like if you live across the country from your— I'm just like hypothesizing.

No, and also if you want to connect like with your partner and this is what they're interested in, this is how they speak, like it's a, it's a nice gesture like to have—

is there something inherently gay about being interested in pop culture? I think so.

Oh, interesting. But it's like when our husbands watch Housewives with us, with us, right? But like, say you found Ben. If I came home, like, you'd just be like, oh wow, he really liked this season.

I would actually like be endeared to it. It's never happened, I don't think. But he does say like, is there new Housewives tonight? Is that so that we could watch it together?

Is that gay?

I don't think that's gay, right?

I don't think your husband is gay. I think he just like is a really good husband. And I'm sorry that we're actually like so amazing And you think so infectious. You think that this is something for the girls, like on the surface it is, but there's no reason why like a, a straight man who loves his wife, like wouldn't enjoy this. Like our husbands would love this show.

And I think a lot of men, like genuinely in their belief, they're not misogynist at all, but they really believe that like girls cannot be funny. And so even sometimes I, I'll find people being like, oh, I like when I do meet and greets and stuff, the husband's like, you know, I actually listened. Like it was actually funny. Like, so the fact that this guy like has no— what's the word I'm looking for?

Like, preconceived notion?

No, it's like a dumber word than that. Like, whatever, sure, let's say biases. He sounds like an amazing guy.

Yeah, he does. And he just wants to be close to you, and that's funny.

I guess like, it's him coming up with the boys being like, this beer is party, man.

I love it. We're for everyone.

No, and that's like how we get our language, like our weird steamy language, to become more ubiquitous. So send this episode to your husband, okay?

Yeah, I love it.

I'm glad we did that.

Yeah, same. I can't see my clock, so I don't know how long we've been here.

Hour 20.

No, Laffy.

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