Transcript of I've Got Beef Between My Teeth: Thursday, November 14th, 2024

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Thursday. A really relaxing day, although it should be Friday. So I'm feeling like the theme of today's episode is injustice.

Isn't that the theme of every episode, La Terre?

It's so true. When you have a chip on your shoulder like we do, every day is like, Injustice Day.

It's true, but it is Thursday, which is exciting. Latter half vibes. It is. Merch is out. We actually slayed this collection because we made enough merch to wear every day of the week because tomorrow I can still wear my oversize toasty tee. Today I'm wearing my girly swirly University set. Yeah, I graduated from GSU.

Whoa. I mean, talk about getting an education.

Talk about Out of mind.

Oh, wait. You know what I did yesterday? I didn't even talk to you. We didn't FaceTime yesterday. But once again, Ben coming between us.

He was home last night. I could sense it.

Well, he's not home tonight, so just wait.

Oh, but I'm not home. Actually, I'm home. I'm home. I have a big... I'm doing something big today.

What?

I'll tell you guys all about it tomorrow. You already know.

What is Jackie doing today?

Think about what the PR company I told you that they reached out.

Oh, Jackie's a big day. Yeah, okay. You guys, it's literally not even that crazy. It's like, okay, whatever. Not at all. Well, what I did yesterday was make a dream come true, and that dream was my own. Added to the list of dreams we accomplished in the month of November, I went on the Glee podcast, officially.

You did say you were going to do a podcast yesterday, and you couldn't text for an hour, and I didn't even ask which podcast it was.

Yeah, it was the official Glee one, and that's what you really missed on Glee.

How was it? Was it everything you dreamed of? What episode did you recap?

It wasn't a recap. It was just interviewing famous gleeks. We just talked a lot about-Famous Gleeks throughout history.

Exactly.

About my POV, my experience watching Glee. Then obviously, I was peppering them with questions. They were peppering me with questions, hosted by Tina and Arte. How to pepper. Yeah. Also known as Jenna and Kevin, but to me, they're Tina and Arnie. I don't know when it's coming out. I think actually soon. It was really good. I'm excited for my fellow Gleeks to hear it.

That's really exciting. I'm glad they still allowed you on despite.

Well, actually, I brought up Ben. One of the hosts, Jenna, is a toaster. I had a feeling she might have heard what Ben had said about Ardie, and I definitely was going in feeling uncomfortable. I brought it up first because Ben was going on and on about Ardie on our Halloween episode. I'm like, Ben, you can't just say stuff like that. I brought it up first just to get it out of the way, and nobody seemed offended. They were cool. Huge sigh of relief.

Major. I finished my book last night. You guys don't read it. Something happened. I think Frida was usurped. I think someone wrote under her name. It was not Frida.

It was a mess. I think that Frida is actually under too much pressure. She had too much success too soon. She's an official writer of Amazon. She has a big Kindle Unlimited contract, and I think she owes them X amount of manuscripts per quarter. I think she's buckling under the pressure of Amazon. I think Jeff Bezos's boot is on her neck, and I think we're seeing that reflected in the work.

I think Frida could write these books in her sleep, and someone took over Frida's name. Maybe she even outsourced, Okay, they want all these books from me. You know how to write in the Frida style. Maybe for some people, it passed as Frida. It was not a Frida-Rita.

It was not a Frida-Rita. The Frida-Rita I read that was not a read it either, was called The Co-Worker. Okay. Just putting it out there. What was yours called?

This one was called The Boyfriend. The Boyfriend.

Put it on the list of Frida books that are not read it in the way that they should.

I didn't bring my pad and paper up here.

What do you mean? You literally just get my pad and paper, just get a pad and paper and leave it up there.

I have pads downstairs and papers.

I finished Outer Banks. Wow. Our conversation yesterday got me talking about it, and Ben has been hocking me a chineck, like, Want to finish Outer Banks? But no, actually. He's so Outer Banks. He's obsessed with Outer Banks. He loves it. The experience I'm having where it's Jackie, when I thought it couldn't get any more unrealistic, they take a boat from South Carolina to Morocco. It's so stupid. I actually can't participate.

What boat?

They steal this fishing boat. Oh, and they get caught. Oh, yeah. They get caught in a crazy storm. They're in the middle of the ocean in Africa. There's a storm a mile ahead, and they drive straight into the storm. Two people fall off the It's waves you would only see in movies. The whole thing was AI-generated. They made it out alive. The boat is intact. It's too unbelievable for me. But Ben is obsessed with it.

What was in Morocco?

The Blue Crown, of course. Oh, God, no. No. No. Yeah, it's really so silly. Ben is obsessed with it. I was happy to not finish it. I read a spoiler. I'm like, You know what? It's good enough for me. But Ben was hacking me all night. Want to finish It's either that or Harry Potter. He wants to watch the next one. I need a serious break from Harry Potter, so I gave him Outer Banks.

Okay, that is so fair. That is so funny.

Jackie. Actually, the last episode was so long. I fell asleep with 20 minutes left. Ben was telling me what happened this morning in the last 20 minutes, and his description was so crazy. But I know that that's what happened. I'm like, There's no way all of this happened in 20 minutes.

Wait, but in the last season that I watched, didn't it end with them finding some treasure? They give some to a museum. They're esteemed in the community. Yeah. So do they have money now?

Oh, well, they did. Yes, they did.

And what happened to their money?

They decided to... I actually really liked where it was going at first. They were like, Listen, we have... It's not money for life. Between the six of them, I think it was a million dollars or something. They decided to invest in land. The house that John B. Owns, and then the house JJ grew up in was up for sale at being foreclosed on. So they wanted to buy it and start a business where people can buy bait from them. They have a little garden, and they were all going to live on a commune, very much like a kibbutz, honestly. And when they went to go buy the land that JJ's dad, who's a fugitive on the run, foreclosed on, someone was also trying to bid it. So it was a property that was worth about $50,000, $60,000. They spent $750,000 on it. So they were being stupid from the get-go, and then they had this little bit of money reserved for property taxes. And of course, JJ steals it and uses it on some bullshit. He bet a race or something. They had tried to be smart with the money, but they ended up being dumber than anybody could have been.

It was actually... I'm somebody. A big priority of mine is financial. One of my priorities in life is financial stability and financial literacy. I'm not reckless with my money. I'm really not. To watch six idiots be so reckless.

No, and it's frustrating that all of the seasons, John Jay had this house that they always could go to. Then the second he comes into money, we need to pay for the house.

Yeah. No, and by the way, it's next door to John. They built this. They called it Poglandia. Actually, the more I talk about the show, the more embarrassed I am to have watched it. That sounds like something he would do. They built this compound, which is between JJ's house They build a clubhouse.

And all of a sudden, they're next door neighbors.

Yeah, that was a new development that I just went with. For 20 minutes in episode 2, they had a thriving business, and the people in the community loved it. On their dock, they had this bait shop so people could drive up in buy snacks, bait, merch. It was a good idea, and people in the community loved it. Then, of course, their property taxes get raised, and they don't have enough money, so they have to go to court.

What happened a year ago when they had no money and property taxes got raised?

They didn't own this big piece of property yet.

Who was paying the rent?

I don't know who was paying for John B. House.

All of a sudden, the financials are a question.

No, all of a sudden, they're tax paying individuals because they were all squatting at John B's property that his dad bought. So he bought it, but what about the mortgage, the taxes, the insurance? I don't know.

And where's John B.'s dad now? I know that he was alive. Yeah. Sorry, spoiler.

Yeah, then spoiler, he died.

Okay, when? Did I see him die?

Did you see them find the City of Gold?

Yes. Oh, okay. I remember. I remember now.

Yeah. He sacrificed his own life for Pakistan.

And Ward, gone.

Ward, gone. Yeah.

Because he tried to steal in the 11th hour.

Yeah, exactly.

Now I remember. I totally forgot about all that. Thank you for... Now I'm oriented in the show. I know where I am.

So it's just this theme of the show is genuine silliness. And you really need to suspend so much disbelief. And we were talking about acting. I'm a person who is so firmly planted in reality. I had a really hard time. Yeah, I understand. Then the moral compass of the show gets off kilter where they're all actual criminals now.

They stole someone's boat. What's that guy's story? Yeah, no.

And they're not just. They're not It used to be they would break the law for the sake of something. Now they're just doing it for fun, and I actually can't.

Understood. Well, I might still watch.

We shall see. It's just prepare your sofa the silliness.

Oh, I will. I I will. It's Riverdale. It's seriously Riverdale by the Sea.

It's Riverdale by... I love that. Riverdale by the Sea.

So, yeah. Anything else new with you, Lata, since we don't talk anymore?

Now that we don't talk, What's new with me? I tried a pop-up bagel yesterday.

I've had one before.

And it's very rare that these hype things, there's a lot of foody stuff, whether it's restaurants or companies, that get so much hype on social media. I never end up trying them because most of the time, it's not anything that would entice me. But Ben got a delivery yesterday. They had a collab, and I had one of the bagels.

Who were they collabbing?

Ben's favorite. What is that? Pickle De Gallo? You know that stuff Ben loves? They made a cream cheese with them. So Ben got it and tried it. And there was like, 15. Of course, Ben got like 20 bagels. And oh, my God, they're literally amazing. I know you're going to say, How can a bagel be? Like, what's different? It's a bagel. No, it's not. It was so fucking good.

The presentation is really good and really fun. They popped up down here a few months ago, and Zack came home with the whole smorgasborg, and it was a good fun thing. And I actually realized I had a pop-up bagel this weekend. Okay. Because the restaurant I was dining at serves pop-up bagels. Bagels.

They're good. I feel like I'm always clowning on things everybody likes. This is something that everybody likes for good reason. It's really good. But it's also...

It is hard to do a bad bagel.

Actually, I don't agree.

You could have a bad bagel if you're not trying. I think some places have stinky bagels, but it's a delicious thing. I have a hot take.

Who has bad bagels? They actually need to do better as a brand.

Starbucks. Do not get a bagel at Starbucks.

I have many times, and it's never good.

That's crazy. You live in New York City.

Oh, no, no. I'm tracking at an airport. I never go instead of a bagel. No, no.

But I've gotten- Starbucks, New York location shouldn't even have bagels on the menu.

Or they should source local bagels, something. It's disgraceful. They're so bad. They're like what you get in a Delta Sky Lounge.

Honestly, same for Duncan, not good bagels. And these are breakfast places.

These are chains of breakfast. And so they should be putting a little bit more of their Star Bussy into their bagel They should do a collab with perhaps pop-up or one of those bagels.

They should put their Star Bussy into a lot of their items, most of them.

Yeah. Maybe start with their coffee. Except when I'm criticizing Starbucks, which I often do, just know I'm not talking about their sourdough grilled cheese.

That's a good item.

I think it's really important to have people in your life who are constantly teaching you new things, like friends that you can learn from. For me, one of the greatest things Brian Kelly ever did for me was actually, I was in this studio, we were driving to the Hamptons. He picked me up after the toast. He's like, Oh, I got you Starbucks. I got to pick you up a grilled cheese. I'm like, Wait, They have grilled cheese at Starbucks. I had never heard. When I tell you it was the most delicious thing, and I get them all the time because Ben goes to Starbucks every morning, and sometimes I'm like, Yeah, I'm being fat. I'm like, Grab me one of those grilled cheeses. Throw it in. It's huge. It's oily. It's cheese. You know it's 10,000 calories. It is absolutely divine. Not enough people know about it. It's like a secret menu item.

Oh, secret project.

Check it out next time you go. I know you don't go to Starbucks, but the next time you do, check it out.

I don't. My husband goes all the time. I like their egg bites. I'll say that. They're a little needlessly oily, but they're good.

Are your kids obsessed with cake pops yet? I know that's a part of modern children's.

I mean, if I gave them when they'd be obsessed, but they don't know what that is. Yeah.

You'll be making them at home in no time. Oh, how cute. Yeah. Oh, I have to say something, and I don't mean to embarrass my husband, but the absolute craziest thing happened last night. What? At four-ish, we were deciding on dinner, and we're like, Let's have a good dinner. Let's really treat ourselves. So we went to the kosher grocery, and he got two huge rib eyes.

For cooking?

For cooking. He cooked up this fee, so I'm sitting on the couch, and he's making me dinner, and it's just a great night. And the house smells good. The smoke alarms going off. It's good. And we sit down, and whenever we make steak, Ben puts the steak on cutting boards and cuts it up, and then we just eat straight off the cutting board. So looking at all the different pieces, I'm very particular. Grab a piece, and he was like, How is it? Ben makes really good steak, so I wasn't even concerned. And it was horrible. I was like, How? I was like, It just tastes like a little bland. And then he was like, Oh, my God. I forgot to season the steak, marinate it or whatever before. I just put it on the grill.

But can't you do that?

No, I'm sorry. Worst to sure, salt, pepper, oregano, whatever.

Salt, pepper.

No, I ate a plain steak.

He just forgot to cook it?

Yeah. I was like, Are you okay? Then he started- Did he like it? Well, at first, before he realized his mistake, he took a bite. He's like, I think it's good. I'm like, No, you don't. Then he was like, Wait. He tried to put worst of shirt on it after. Yeah, but worst of shirt is somebody that needs to be cooked. It was like, no.

A hundred %. It might as well have raw egg in it.

Yeah, exactly. I was so quiet mad. I was like, You made me wait two hours, and this is what I ate.

That's insane. Did he have it with steak sauce? Because you could really dress anything up.

Of course, he made a blend of Ben can make anything work.

Of course, he made a blend.

I went to bed hungry, and I just thought, he walks around, celebrity chef, celebrity chef, you literally forgot to marinate your steak. He needs to be ashamed for that.

Season it. Crazy, no? Little seasoned.

Then he blamed me. Wait, he blamed me. How? He was like, Well, I really didn't want to make a dish, so I was planning on seasoned it whilst still in the packaging. Obviously, I forgot. But because whenever I tell him to- He wasn't even scared of you. Whenever I tell him to cook, I'm like, Just try and be prudent with the amount of dishes. I always say, Don't make a ton of dishes. So he literally used that against me.

I see. It's a really good strategy on his part. It is. But I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it either.

Look at me, do I look frail and weak? I didn't have dinner last night.

No, that's so crazy because I had the opposite experience because I actually had so much beef last night. I don't know if you saw my story, but I made hamburger meatball.

I mean, you do look jacked. Seriously. I did see your story.

I made hamburger meatballs, which are they just meatballs?

No, because I season them- They're not meatballs. They're more hamburgers than they are meatballs.

Yeah, because it's all about the reasoning. I didn't use Italian reasoning. I just seasoned them the way I would season a hamburger. But a girl can't make a hamburger. It just can't be done. I don't use my grill. I'm not making it on the stove, but I can make a meatball. So I made them into little balls, and they were so tasty. Hamburger meatballs. But it's also all about the vibes, too, because, yes, technically, the ingredients aren't that dissimilar from an Italian meatball. But it's the vibe with a little ketchup, a little cheese, a little pickle, tomato, onion. Girls can't make hamburgers.

I'm in complete agreement. Unless at the kosher grocery, they actually sell prepackaged patties. Unless the patties are made and they put garlic and onion, they make them for you. For sure.

Let me ask you, how would you cook that?

Ben taught me. It's four minutes on each side. It's actually incredibly easy.

You set them I tried to make a hamburger on the stove once, and I didn't love the results.

The Caraway cast iron, that's what I use.

I like to put meat in the oven. Ben and I always talk about this. He likes to cook meat on the stove. He doesn't like to use oven when he cooks. I like to dress up my food and put in the I know when it comes out, it's ready. I don't have to keep checking it. Thermometer.

My problem is, why is it that you can make a patty? No matter how long and flat you make it, it ends up in a round ball. Why does it always shribble up? How do you even make a Smash burger? Every time I've made a hamburger, it shrivels up to a testicle. What is that?

I don't know. But that's why I just went straight for the meatball shape, and it was really good.

We are all doing what we have to do to survive, and I get that. You got dinner on the table for and your family, and anyone who has anything to say about that will talk to me first.

And we had plenty of beef. We had beef between our teeth.

I've got beef between my teeth. It would be lost without my floss. The way that episode of Sweet Life, Zack and Cody, had such an impact on me individually. And only me and my group of friends from high school are obsessed with it. I feel as though it's not a cultural thing that everybody talks about and references. I don't even know what it was about. And I just know it was the kid from ugly Betty, Betty's sister's son.

Justin Suarez.

Justin Suarez. I was going to say Justin Guiarrini. Justin Suarez. He has Justin Guiarini energy in that episode of Sweet Life of Zack and Cody, where he leaves it all on the stage.

Yeah.

That's just something that meant a lot to me. I forget where I was going.

He left no crumbs.

He ate and left no crumbs. Exactly.

Try out hamburger meatballs. If you are looking for a family-friendly- If you're also struggling. A family-friendly dish, and you've got ground beef, and you don't know what to do with it.

I just know that Ben's not home for dinner tonight, so I will be eating like...

What are you craving, turd?

I'm just going to eat what I find. We have those pop-up bagels. That's probably what I'll have. You'll be scavenging. It'll be rough for me, like tonight.

Okay, well, I'll FaceTime you because at least we'll have that. Like, with Ben, you'll go hungry. Yeah. Without Ben, you'll go hungry, but you will be emotionally fulfilled. Not that you wouldn't be with Ben, but sisterly fulfilled.

Yeah, it's a different fulfillment.

It is a different fulfillment center.

For sure. So Thursdays are great because they're very relaxed, right? Like, Wednesday, we had so much to do between the merch launch and Deer Toaster. I definitely felt a little bit on edge throughout the entire experience. I'm so sorry. Yeah, no, it's okay. And I got through it, and I think everybody really enjoyed, so that's great. Today, Thursdays, I find so relaxing. It's the day before Friday. We have nothing to do. Friday, we have Queeny and Weenie. We always like to wrap things up. Today, we can just talk.

Yeah. We actually have some really funny, random stories. Funny? Yeah. I'm excited to get into some of them. I guess without further ado, we could do that.

I wasn't bringing up the run of show for the purpose. Sometimes I do bring up the run of show for the purpose of moving into the second half. But if you have anything else you want to chat about, I'm open to chatting.

No, I feel as though we've dillyed and we've dollied. We could get into the fast five stories that you need to know.

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You're welcome, while turdlast.

Our first story, some exciting news to update you on, because I feel like we never have an update. But Hoda copies today's show, Replacement has been revealed nearly two months after her exit announcement. So there's two things here, like her Today Show hour, and then Jenna, which we'll get to. But first, it has been revealed that Craig Melvin will be taking over for Hoda Copy when she exit the Today Show on January 10th. Craig Melvin is the new anchor of the Today Show, Savannah Guthrie-Gushed, of one of those popular decisions as NBC News has ever made. Hoda said to Craig, You were made for this job. You will have all the things that this job needs. You're the right person for it. Al Roker said that he did not have the words, but he was so happy for his colleague. As for Craig, he's excited and grateful. He said it meant a lot to inherit the role from Hoda as she is the heart of the show. He said, This is the latest in a long line of blessings. He will continue doing the third hour today with Al Roker, Shaneel Jones, and Dylan Dreier.

He said, I talked to mom and dad yesterday, and I'm thankful they're still young enough and healthy enough to be able to see this. That's really sweet. That was really sweet. Meanwhile, the fourth hour, Hoda and Jenna, will transition into Jenna and Friends, where Jenna will, quote, Date different co-hosts until they find the right fit. Until they find the right fit. But I would just say, make hast.

It's Jeopardy.

It's Jeopardy. I do prefer a decision, but I understand you got to see how the shows actually go.

By the way, I saw this Craig news this morning, and for me, I don't know if I'm unique in the I don't care who replaces Hoda when she's doing the news. That's the job a million people could do. To sit in Keke and talk to celebrities, that's so interesting. I think that requires such a different skillset. That's been my focus. That's who I'm really eager to see. Happy for Craig. He's a cutie. I really don't know much about him. He'll do a great job. I don't care. I didn't realize that they had made somewhat of an announcement when it comes to the Jenna thing. I thought they just announced the Craig.

They slip this in. They slip this the fucking- I hate this.

This is exactly what you said, exactly what you said when we were talking about this, that they not do the Jeopardy where they try out a million people, people stop caring. It didn't work for Jeopardy because they ended up hiring the person they meant to hire the first day they found out Alex Trebek died, but they did it because he had some old tweet about someone in a wheelchair. They should have just made that decision day one because it got so stupid.

Because if they announced someone right now or say, give Craig his moment, announced someone next week, this is who's going to be with Jenna. There'll be so much excitement and fanfare as opposed to just everyone losing interest. And then it's like, this person is the best. And also, if I was that person, I feel like people come through the Today show all the time. I'm surprised Jenna doesn't have a... Or maybe it's not up to Jenna, but I feel like she would know who she'd like to do it with.

If she had a preference, she could definitely push it forward. I feel like she really likes Justin Sylvester, and I think the culture really likes Justin Sylvester. I think it's a great choice. I'm sure they'll have three or four people in rotation, and it'll become clear who the favorite is based on social media and ratings. But I hate this. I can't lie.

I would love to see who is even an option, who these friends will be, because of course, Justin Silvester comes to mind for us because we know that he co-hosts a lot and we love him. But I wonder who are the obvious names.

In rotation.

Yeah, I'm looking. Who are they saying? Who Who are even be on Jenna and Friends? Who are the friends?

Right. Is it people that we know have already guest co-hosted? Or are these people Jenna's putting forward for the job? People in her life?

Right. Maybe other hosts out there.

Yeah. Because it's like, Justin, who else? I know Heather Who else does frequently, not just one time.

But we only know that because we follow them on Instagram.

It's in our circle.

There are other people. If we followed other people on Instagram, let me go look. What's their show called? Hoda and Jenna. I do like the name Jenna and Friends. I just want to say.

I know, but I feel like it's a bad... I think about Kelly Rippa.

It's hard to see who's hosting.

And who's a guest. Who's a guest. I think that it's a bad precedent. When When you think about Kelly Rippa, when you don't immediately make a decision, it's just bad. I feel like with the Regis and Kelly show, or however it started, I forget, Regis and Cathy. Every time somebody left, boom, there was a new person. We all got with it. It became Regis and Cathy, Regis and Kelly, Kelly and- Ryan. Ryan. No, no, Kelly and Michael. Every time they switched the names of the show, we all just got on board, and it became a part. It was a part of the vernacular. We had an easy time. Kelly and Ryan, Kelly and Mark, Kelly and Michael. I actually think, I know she's had her issues, but that's a really good example of how to transition someone out of a role quickly and just the public gets on board. They just do. But when you dilly dally like this, it's silly.

Make a choice. That's always what I'm saying.

Make a choice. I don't like this.

They could also be testing people behind the scenes. They don't have to do it all in the public.

I think they knew Hoda was leaving for a little while. I think that anytime one of them was off, they They were testing people.

Yeah.

I think they've been testing people for a year.

Yeah, I think they think that this will drum up excitement, but I think it's going to be the opposite. I think it will jump up exhaustion.

Agreed. It's Jeopardy.

But congratulations to Craig Melvin. Congrats. Job a million girls would kill for.

It's so true. You know what? You love to see journalist roles going to journalists. I think that's rare these days. It's usually an influencer.

It's so true. Maybe it'll be an influencer with Jenna.

I would love that.

But probably someone a bit older. I actually feel like if I thought long and hard about it, we could come up with some good names.

But it is so much about chemistry.

If you even pulled from all of those talk shows that went away. Meredith Vieira, Bethany. No, the talk, The Real.

The Real, yeah. There's a lot of swirleys who have good hosting, daytime background. Right. Adrian Bailon, Lonnie Love. Where'd all those girls- Garcelle.

Amanda Klutz?

Yeah. The Chew.

The Chew? So go over there. Daphne Oz. Daphne Oz. I like her.

She's dazzling.

She is dazzling.

She's a nice life. I like following her on social media.

Yeah. So are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Which is the hot gossip of the day. Teddy Melenkamp allegedly cheated on her husband, Edwin, with her married horse trainer, and a heated confrontation ensued. So we went from knowing absolutely nothing about this divorce to now, I I feel, knowing too much.

Agreed. And not in the way... I don't know why I just assumed Edwin was the villain, not Teddy.

Right. So apparently Teddy Melenkamp cheated on her husband with a married friend. An insider with direct knowledge of the situation told Page 6 that she allegedly stepped out on him several times with her long-time pal, whose then-wife was also a close friend. So this guy has been identified. His name is Simon Schroeder. He's her horse trainer, and his wife, his name is Carly Postal. That just will be germane as we go forward. So the two of them have two children. And apparently, when Teddy and Simon were in Florida together for an equestrian event while his wife was in California in labor with their second child, his wife thought it was suspicious that her husband was in Florida when she was giving birth. When he returned to LA, the insider says that she allegedly discovered inappropriate text messages between him and Teddy, which led to a heated public confrontation. Apparently, they confessed Teddy promised it would not happen again, and the wife didn't tell Edwin when she found out because she was willing to give Simon another chance. Oh, wow. However, Daily Mail source said that the wife learned last month that the alleged sexual relationship not only continued, but also became emotional.

So she told Edwin. Then Teddy filed for divorce so that Edwin did not have the chance to file and get her for adultery. It has been alleged that the marriage ended between because Edwin cheated on Teddy, but it's actually the other way around. This Daily Mail source says.

Justice for Edwin. Not us all dragging his name through the mud, with literally no proof.

But the timeline is so confusing to me because she filed for divorce on November first and listed the date of separation as October 20th, even though they were packing on the PDA at a charity event four days later.

Isn't that lying to the government?

I have no idea.

Like falsifying documentation? I'm literally like that scene in Elwoods.

Unless it's true. Maybe they were splitting. Maybe they had one great last night together.

Yeah, I mean, I guess anything's possible. Plaucible They were just putting it off the cameras.

Or they were like, Let's just give them a show.

The craziest part of this whole saga is the wife finding out and not telling Edwin. I guess a situation like that, it's every man for himself. I'm trying to protect my family, my marriage. She owes nobody anything. Like, Bitch, I'm just trying to get through this. But I never thought about if a spouse finds out, do you tell the other spouse?

I guess it all depends on the relationships. But I guess she didn't want to make the whole thing bigger than it was if she was going to give him another chance, and she just wanted to go away. What if Edwin found out, left Teddy, and Teddy becomes single, and now she's hanging around your mans?

Right.

You're trying to make it work, and you have a baby.

I so didn't see this for Teddy. I think the Teddy that we got to know on the show, she was very much like a push show over. She wasn't making strong decisions.

But I also feel like she was very much... She acted as a moral character.

Yeah.

So this is really surprising, but it's also so Beverly Hills, not the horse trainer.

Horse trainer, yeah. And is it Stasi's brother?

It's giving the politician.

It's also, I think, made Teddy Melenkamp, at least to me, far more interesting. I don't know if interesting is a word I would have used to describe her up until this point. And so to see that, not that there's anything admirable about having an affair, but it takes a set of balls. And I never saw that for her. She didn't seem like a free wheeling girl.

I guess. But also, I know all she wanted was privacy, not to speak on it. I think when we thought it was something else, that could be the case. But now that this is all out there, she's privacy revoked.

Privacy revoked.

No, she's going to talk. If she doesn't talk about it- It's an admission of guilt. It's just hard because she's a podcast. If this were a housewife who just does the show, well, the other women will bring it up, but post on Instagram, we're not always hearing.

She's not even on the show anymore.

Right. No, but when you have a podcast and we're always hearing from you.

No, not only that. The concept of their show, they're always digging in on other people. So it's like, you can't dish in and not take it.

Yeah. No, if she were on the show, it would come up. But I'm just saying the podcasting, I feel like that's what we were saying about Brianna chicken fry. It's like, when you don't, when something is so out in the public about your personal life, that's something like, I don't know. I just feel like it's really hard to navigate if you don't address it at all.

It is. I think that's also an important distinction whenever we're talking about the difference between influencers and celebrities. Celebrities really are afforded the luxury of that privacy. They don't have to speak. You're not on press. Unless you're in the middle of a press junket. But if you're not working, you can literally take six months of silence and people will forget about it. But influencers, your job is to constantly be making content staying relevant, being on the scene. It makes it virtually impossible to deal with things privately.

Yeah.

But there's just a But there's just as much intrigue in you as there is in celebrities. I would argue there's sometimes even more intrigue in influencer drama or an influencer divorce than a celebrity divorce because there's this weird parasocial relationship between followers. And so you feel a bit more- There is one. Yeah. So You're getting even more intrig and there's a higher level of interest than even a traditional celebrity. You can't get away from it.

For Teddy, there's a higher level of interest than if she was just a former housewife, like Camille Grammer cheated on her new husband.

Nobody would care.

Right.

Yeah. No, it's really crazy.

It's really crazy. So we'll keep you posted.

But that was the plot to us of the century. Yeah.

Speaking Speaking of rumored affairs, are you ready for this next one? Our favorite story of the year.

What?

Hugh Jackman's ex-wife, Deborah Lee Furness, is subtly reacting to his alleged affair with Sutton Foster.

Okay, Debs, lay it on me. Because you know I ride for Debs, but honestly, in this situation, she's taking it back to you.

Yeah, no, but she's spilling tea in her own way. Hugh Jackman may not have been a free agent when he allegedly started his romance with Sutton Foster. He was married to Deborah Lee Furness for 27 years. The two announced they were divorcing. Rumors have swirled over the past few months that he possibly stepped out of his marriage. And now the Australian actress, that's Deborah Lea Furness, has seemingly reacted to the news of his relationship. So Deb liked a post from her private Instagram account of a gossip blogger, Tasha Lustig, claiming that Jackman had blindsided Deb by sharing his relationship with Sutton. Deb's friend, British media personality, Amanda DeCandene, also waded on the allegations, writing in a comment last month, You are on point with this one. My beloved friend, Deb, is about to have her glow up any moment, FYI.

It's like... I completely agree. That was a beyond unnecessary comment for this girly to make.

I just feel like they're trying to get in there, but they're also just...

Grown women. Yeah.

I don't think she realized what she meant by that.

I think this might be their first rodeo.

I think she meant she's about to have a moment, not like...

Not like she's ugly. A makeover. Okay.

She You got to start glowing.

This, I feel, might be a situation where we need to trust our faves.

Who's our fave in the situation? I don't know.

I don't know. I really don't know. I fear that I can see this being the reality. They worked on a project very closely together. They were both married, and now a year later, they're both divorced and in a relationship. Obviously, it's entirely possible that they fell in love, never did anything wrong, went home, divorced their partners, and came together only at a where it was acceptable to do so.

However, the injured party could call that an affair because they fell in love.

That's not an affair. If you develop feelings for someone and you're in a relationship, and you go home and end that relationship, that's the right thing to do. You can't stop yourself from having feelings, but you can stop yourself from acting on those feelings.

Yes, but then think about really the timeline. Say at first it's just you feel this way about someone, but you're not going to leave your wife. You don't know if they feel that way about you. You need that confirmation, and then you're getting into emotional affair territory. It's really hard to do this in a clean way.

Okay, but I think there is a world- I wish she doesn't like you back. Okay, that's a really good point. But I do feel like there is a world in which you can find out that the other person likes you, and you both go home and get divorced. And that's not an affair.

But don't you have to see that through a little bit just to confirm if it's more than what you have at home?

I mean, it's very reckless to not, but I think it's possible.

Twenty-seven years?

Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm trying to...

I know. I think they probably went about it in the best, most respectful way possible, and it can even hold space for maybe that it didn't even get physical until all was said and done. But the injured party can still say that's an affair.

Yeah. It's an emotional affair. And also, I think that you can maintain that nothing happened between this person, but your wife is not going to believe you. You're leaving me over this person. You obviously fucked her. So there's his story, her story, and the truth, There's history, and there's her story. You just said a mouthful there, sister. What am I choosing to believe? I'm choosing to believe that everybody's truth is their own.

I agree, and I'm choosing to believe that, of course, this wasn't the ideal situation. I believe that Sutton and Hugh went about it in the best way that they could have, while also betraying the people that they loved.

I think that we have to hold space for every generation. There's a once in a love Once in a lifetime. Once in a lifetime love. Sometimes you have to hurt people for that. I fear that Hugh and Sutton might just be that once in a lifetime love.

They just got in the way.

It's unfortunate. But think about it like, okay, The Notebook. Ali and Noah, once in a lifetime love. She was out here cheating on James Marsden.

Yeah, and he was a great guy, too. Yeah.

He wasn't perfect, but he loved her and he wanted to marry her. Even if he wasn't, infidelity, she cheated on him. But we all ship because we know what was at stake, and that was Ali and Noah, and they were OTP. Think of Sutton and Hugh. I challenge you to think of Sutton and Hugh as more of an Ali and Noah, and you'll see it very clearly.

That's just like, and people don't like this one, Camilla and Charles.

It's exactly like Camilla and Charles.

It's not Ryan Gosling. You guys are singing a different tune.

And the thing is, if he wasn't Prince Charles at the time, he would have left his wife way sooner. But he was legally barred from doing. So he was begging his gran for a divorce.

He would have married her to begin with. And that's- Well, of course. He should have been with Camilla from the beginning. And what? They said no to her because she wasn't a virgin. And how did that go for you?

Yeah. By the way, Jackie's delivering absolute facts right now. It's Camilla and Charles.

So I feel like two lists are brewing here, and now I'm officially starting the list of couples we don't care about separately, but together we love, because now we have two instances this week.

Sutton and Hugh.

Hugh Jackman and Sutton Foster, even though I did love Hugh Jackman before. And Olivia Munn and John Mulaney. Now we love them separately, but we came here.

Yeah. We come to this place for magic. For magic.

Yeah. And then also, if you did want to do a list of the Camilla Charles, It's not ready.

It's not okay, but it's understandable. Situations where infidelity was understandable.

Here, I'm calling it true love, trumping infidelity.

Ali and Noah, because they're the blueprint.

Yes. If you like the notebook, then you like this. It's true.

Ali, Noah, Sutton & Hugh.

Camilla and Charles.

Camilla and Charles. Feel free to sign off in the comments. Any other situations where cheating just felt like it had to be done?

I feel more organized getting this out down on paper. All week, I've been like a mess trying to remember my references.

Yeah. Well, if you could just get that pad and paper, pad and pen, it would be all squared away.

That pad and pen.

Okay.

Yeah. No, that pad and pen. Pad and pen, I keep saying pad and paper, and I'm wrong for that.

Yeah, and then I said it.

How am I going to write?

Now we both look stupid.

How am I going to write when I just have two pieces of paper?

That's funny.

So that's the latest with Deb.

Furnace.

Deborah Lee Furness. And as he would call her, he used to call her affectionately. My Deb. My Deb. Now he's not your Deb.

My sup. It doesn't hit the same.

Are you ready for our next story?

I think a better question is, are you ready for our next It's a great question because I'm not.

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Oh, thank you, Claudia. You're welcome. I'm enraptured in our fifth story, but I'm going back to our- Fifth? Oh, okay. But I'm going back to our fourth. Our fourth story, you're not going to like it. It's very chewy, but we've got to break down. Sydney Sweeney is calling out Hollywood's industry, calling out Hollywood industry's, quote, women empowering other women's stance. She said all of it is fake. So Sydney Sweeney is calling out some people in Hollywood who tear another woman down privately while publicly claiming they are empowering women. In a new interview with Vanity Fair, she cited the industry's attitude of, quote, women empowering other women as untrue. This is what she said, quote, It's very disheartening to see women tear other women down, Especially when women who are successful in other avenues of their industry see younger talent working really hard, hoping to achieve whatever dreams that they may have and then trying to bash and discredit any work that they've done. She said, This entire industry, all people say is women empowering other women. None of it's happening. All of it is fake and affront for all the other shit that they say behind everyone's back.

She noted that there are so many studies and different opinions on the reasoning behind it and said that it's a generation problem to believe only one woman can be at the top.

It feels like she is signing a specific instance. Something obviously happened to her, and she's making sweeping generalizations about the industry. Although I do see this. I feel like we had that conversation when it came to Olivia Wilde, when that video, Shia, Shia, Shia. Her begging Shia LaBouffe to be in her film, even though female cast mates had expressed concern about working with him because he's crazy. She didn't give a shit. But she's one of the women who walks around wearing a Herstery T-shirt. Women empowering women, the female, whatever. I can definitely see. I agree 100% that there are people in the industry who are like, their platform is all about telling women's stories, and they're the nastiest bitches you've ever met in your entire fucking life. I don't know if that's the whole industry, and I think that Sydney Sweeni is speaking from experience. Something obviously happened to her. I don't know who it is.

I don't know who it is. Did anyone come to mind for you of who it could be? Yes. I wonder.

I have no proof, and I think- It's probably the loveliest person who books so many female jobs.

I don't know why this person just came to mind because I love her.

Let's say it on the count of three. Three, two, one. Reese Witherspoon. Reese Witherspoon. Yeah. You want to know why it came to mind? Because it feels like Sydney Sweeney is putting together a career that's really similar to Reese Witherspoon in the sense that so much more than just acting. Reese Witherspoon has been producing. She's been optioning. I mean, Sydney Sweeney has been producing, optioning books, building something beyond her own acting, just like getting cast in movies. I also got a Reese Witherspoon vibe, and I have no proof.

I have no proof that's funny that you got the same vibe, though. But also, here's a quote earlier this year that a producer said about Sydney Sweeney, which was not nice. I guess this is the vibe of what people have to say about her. She said, There's an actress... The producer's name is Carol Baum. I don't know who that is. She said, There's an actress who everybody loves now, Sydney Sweeney. I don't get Sydney Sweeney. I was watching on the plane Sydney Sweeni's movie, Anyone But You because I wanted to watch it. I wanted to know who she is and why everybody's talking about her. I watched this unwatchable movie. Sorry to people who love this romantic comedy where they hate each other. She said, I said to my class she teaches at USC, explain this girl to me. She's not pretty. She can't act. Why is she so hot? Nobody had an answer. But then the question was asked, well, if you could get your movie made because she was in it, would you do it? That's a very hard question to answer because we all want to get the movie made. And who walks away from a green light?

Nobody I know. Your job is to get the movie made.

Okay, I have to say, I agree with Carol that that movie was unwatchable, but everything else she said was so beyond unnecessary, like coming for her looks. And it's like, well, if we're going to criticize all different parts of the industry, why are you starting with Sydney Sweeney? You're not a woman who supports it. There are things wrong with the industry, and I'm sorry, Sydney Sweeney is not one of those things.

She's a nice girl. No, and Sydney Sweeney is very pretty.

Yeah, please. What do you look like, Carol? Let's start there.

I actually was... Who was it? Matt Damon? Is he the one Goodwill hunting?

Yeah.

He was doing an interview. I don't know when it was, but he was talking about why the movies that he used to make, like Goodwill hunting, why movies like that don't really get made anymore, and why it's all big budget Marvel movies. And he said, back in the day, your movie would come out in theaters and it would do what however it did. And then later when it came out on DVD, it was like a second wave. You had two opportunities to make a lot of money. To make money. But now that movies just go to the streamers. They have to crush it at the box office. That's where they're going to make all their money. And they're only going with sure things. And that is the superhero movies, the remakes, the big budget things. So movies that are a good idea that need some time and love and building up to a code following, don't get made. And that's why the movie... That's so interesting. And so that, to me, is something you could start chewing on about the movie industry before you start saying, It's Cindy Sweeney, ruin the movie industry.

I think Cindy Sweeney probably gets a lot of flack and judgment immediately because of her looks. She's this very beautiful girl. She embraces her sexuality. A huge part of what catapulted her was her boobs. That was a thing. I'm sure she gets initial shock and judgment from that. But I think if you look at her career, even if you don't know everything about her, she's clearly proved herself. She's a very talented actress. She does do so many things beyond just acting. She produces. I think she's starting a production company. It is this woman who is supposed to be a professor, just whittling it down to her looks. That's insulting. I don't know if in this article, she's referencing this professor.

It feels like a lot. I don't think that she is, by the way. Me neither. Because it feels like she's talking about someone that we do know. She's also talking about the entire industry. It's a blanket statement. I feel like people don't often make statements like that. Everyone who says women... She's not even saying Hollywood, men and women don't support. She's saying the women don't support the women. I just have to think of the women who say they support the women the most. Then I'm like, she's saying they don't.

Tell women's stories.

Right.

Who's always talking like that?

She's used the word women a lot in the quote, so it was hard to read. It was painful to hear. But it is a pretty big call out.

It is. This is somebody who's successful, and she's in the industry. I think a lot of people talk about the industry from the outskirts of it. We're like, Yeah, okay, whatever. But Cindy Sweeties is firmly planted at the center of things. She's on one of the biggest shows. Her movie was huge. She is speaking from experience.

She gets in those rooms. I could see women who purport to support other women, support some women, but not women like Cindy Sweetie. I could see how she's getting shut out for being Syd.

Yeah, I agree. I have no reason to believe this, but it's 100% Reese Witherspoon.

No, I'm sorry. She's describing Reese Witherspoon, someone you all love. She is, right? Someone who gives jobs, and she is.

Sorry. Yeah. But Yeah.

Someone who did it, accomplished everything she wants to accomplish. They even look alike.

They look alike. That's the thing. It's like, yeah, you can conveniently support women because you think about the women like Reese Witherspoon is always casting and championing Nicole Kidman, Laura Dern. Women who don't really infringe on her place in Hollywood. They can all coexist without any competition. They're all so different, even though they look exactly the same. But Sydney Sweeney appears to be on her way to building something similar.

Yeah. So who do you think it's about? Sound off in the comments. Sound off in the comments. Our fifth and final story I'm obsessed with. It's one of my favorite tropes. A, celebrity dating a reality star.

Oh, my God. I love who.

It's so fucking random. So fucking random. Remember Modson? He dated Avril Lavigne. I know. And Bella Thorne. Yeah. And my girl from the Dvf show. He's technically a singer.

He's technically a singer with fans, allegedly. The only time I have ever heard his name is in regards to Tana Mongeo, Bella Thorne, Avril Lavigne. He dates like... Yeah.

Yeah. Well, he was spotted packing on the PDA with Love Is Blind star, Brittany Wisniewski, who is Brittany from Leo and Brittany from this most recent season of Love is Blind.

Yeah. They got paparazzied outside TMZ, holding hands, leaving a restaurant.

I think this article says that they first connected on November third at his concert. So that's not even two weeks ago. While performing on stage, he spotted the group in the crowd. She was with some friends and gave them a special shoutout, which he documented on TikTok saying, respectfully, are both of you on the show Love is Blind?

Oh, my God. That's so funny.

He said, My name is Mod. Then in the clip, she could be blowing him a kiss before the video cut off. I guess maybe she was going as his... Maybe they had already met. That's possible. Now, a video taken by TMZ shows them getting handsy while dancing to party in the USA.

Now, my My initial thought when I saw this was like, yikes. It's not a good look for Brittany. Why? Because I think that when you go on these shows, you are constantly trying to beat the allegations that you went on for Fame. Even though, and maybe some people go on to fall in love, but everybody's going on a little bit for the Fame to quit their jobs and make influence their money. I think that that was an allegation that was thrown around a lot about her, just being... Having her priorities a little materialistic, even when it came to all the questions about Leo and his money and his watch. For her to end up with a D-list celebrity on TMZ, I didn't think it was a good luck.

To be honest, I actually think this gives her some credit because in the show, she says, I dated rock stars. Maybe he's an ex of hers. Because when she was saying that on the show, it's like, Okay, sure. But now it's like maybe- Okay, Grandma, let's get you back to bed. Maybe she has dated rock stars. She continues to... He is a rock star, technically. It's not Harry Style. I forgot that she said that. But she said that she could really be with someone who has a lot of money. She's been with that before. That's actually not what she was looking for. It doesn't help that she then went back to that lifestyle, but I think it gives her some credit.

If somebody said to me, Claudia will give you $11 billion, tax-free. All you have to do is name one Mod Sun song. I wouldn't be I got to do it. I couldn't take the money.

I could guess.

I couldn't even guess.

Why don't you just guess?

Whoa, whoa, my son, yeah.

Okay, I'm going to go to his discography, but before I do, I'm going to guess. He could have even have a song called Hold on. Flames of Love.

Okay? Okay, that's good. Wait, what's a title of a song that a lot of people have the same title? Do you know what I mean?

Right. Something with, I already did love. Two different words than me to increase our chances.

Get you back. Okay. Yeah, that's my- Claudia.

He has a song called Flames with Avril Lavigne. And I swear I've never seen it before.

I believe you.

Oh my God.

So do I get like five and a half? One million?

I got half of it. Oh, he has I'd rather overdose. Oh, this would have been a good guess. Karma.

Fuck, because I was thinking Taylor Swift songs.

Me too. I was like, God of the woods. He has a song called Sunshine. That would also have been a really good guess. These are just words we should remember. Nothing get you back. In case... Wait, I'll go to all his... He has a song called I Told You. Karma, Bones, Flames. Oh, he does one word. Okay, that's good to know.

Oh, so I'm out.

Better Man.

Is he obsessed with Taylor Swift?

Prayer, 20 Numb, Smith, Roller Coaster, Annoying, Porn Star, Internet Killed the Rock Star. Okay, so no get you there. Honestly, I feel like we did pretty good. I know we didn't make $11 billion, but-We're going home empty-handed. But we didn't embarrass ourselves.

I just don't understand how... This is just honestly the gender imbalance. Because if there was a successful woman who was on the same level looks-wise as this person, no way would they be pulling women or men of equal looks to Tana Mongeo, Brittany, Avril Laval.

I don't like his vibe, but let me get a look at his face. I actually feel like maybe he has a handsome face behind all that hair and drum kits.

Oh my God, like Mod Sun. Okay, I just feel like the pictures of him are good pictures. No, I'm sorry. I stand by what I said.

I think that if he did something else, he's making himself ugly. He's got nice features. It's so easy for men, though.

It's so true. What does he have, a magic He's not even famous.

Who is this person? He's a rock star.

In what world is he a rock star?

He's in the same elk of Machine Gun Kelly. They collab. So it's like, if you're into that.

Yeah, he's a way less famous. People are into that. Way less famous, Machine Gun Kelly? Yeah. That's not a rock star.

But not everyone can have me- They're not punk. Yeah, a punk star. Ask Ben what he thinks of him.

I bet you that's a great question because I feel like Ben doesn't even know him. Hold on.

Well, then he's not a real punk lover.

Do you know any songs by Mod Sun?

Say, Do you know Mod Sun? Say, Do you know Mod Sun?

Do you know who Mod Sun is? Let's see.

I'm so curious.

He's on a flight, so He either will answer in two seconds or not at all.

He either got WiFi or he didn't.

Yeah, but Ben always gets WiFi.

Do you always get WiFi?

Every single time. I actually pay for that monthly thing.

Like, go, go?

Go, go, yeah. Which when I was on tour, it was really economical because a flight is like $30 for WiFi. Then it's $50 a month. I really need to stop paying for it. I don't travel. Yeah. He's not answering.

I don't always pay for the WiFi.

She's radical.

Sometimes, what do those men call it? I raw dog.

You're a raw dog a flight. Yeah.

Sometimes. But sometimes they do free texting, and I'll go for that, or I'll buy a 30-minute pass just to catch up. But I'm like, I'm plugging a bit.

You're literally like living on a prairie.

Living on Living on a Prairie. He didn't answer. Okay, so that's a cliffhanger for tomorrow's episode.

Halfway there. Living on a Prairie.

Living on a Prairie.

You'll have to tune into tomorrow's episode to see if Ben Soffer knows who Mod Sun is.

And likes him. And if he does, we should take this joke pretty far. Get him tickets. Yeah. You should pretend like he's coming on the...

Oh, my God. He responded. He used to date Bella Throne.

What about his music?

I think he's some random singer. I know of him, but don't know him. Why? Do you know any of his music? But I think that's a no.

Bella Throne. Bella Throne. I'm cackling. What's left to say?

What can I say except Bella Throne?

No. Nothing. You can't say anything except that.

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