Transcript of But Daddy I Love Him: Friday, July 17th, 2026

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I sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast and happy Friday. Hope everybody's having an amazing 5th day.

Oh, it's exciting. It's Yom Hashishi.

Yom Hashishi. You did it, but I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't take the Lord's name in vain.

Oh my God, are you accusing me?

You did it.

The thing is, I'm not a vain person, so I could never say something and have it be in vain.

I also meant it in vain that we're saying it on our huge platform, publicizing the name, publicizing the Lord.

I obviously I'm incapable of saying anything in vain when it comes to the Lord. I'm so— one thing I'm so serious about is my Lord.

That's beautiful. Oh my God, happy Friday everybody!

Everybody!

Everybody in the club getting tipsy.

Everybody don't take T-Pain in vain. Yes, it's Friday. We're in like exceptional moods because why not?

Because I think of the Friday nature of the day.

We've got the Shabbos upon us. We're just going to relax into weekend. I hope everybody has some amazing weekend plans. I personally don't, but I—

which excites me, but I feel like there's a lot for us to do this weekend, like a lot of options to pull from. Beach, like, yeah, I'm thinking beach.

I'm just— I'm overwhelmed at the possibilities, and that's what's so exciting about a Friday. Like, who knows, maybe I'll do nothing and then on Sunday I'll be like, I wasted the weekend. But right now, in this moment, I have potential.

It's true. Did you watch any more Elle last night? No, you didn't? I really wanted to hear more of your thoughts. I finished it.

I'm not compelled to do it. I don't even know if I'm going to pick it back up.

Oh, I just want to know more of your thoughts. Like, if you could— like, I want you just watch a few more episodes just to like really decide that you don't want to watch it.

I am going to watch Five Star Weekend before.

Uh, well then you're going to miss the momentum and like I'll be over it by then. But I finished last night and it's just so good. Of course I hated how it ended. Of course I did. But you know, it's not— never too late to like undo what was done. Um, you would actually like the, the last episodes because she goes back to Bel Air. She does for a time. Like, it's a bit of a spoiler, but like, it's fine. It's not really like a plot, like, driven show. It's more about—

yeah.

Um, so there is like a lot of Bel Air. Like, she goes back to school and like there's a lot of like California. But you know what, like, I—

it's—

of course she's like, this is Seattle. Of course.

What fucking world?

But like, I, I miss Seattle for her too. Oh my God, corny. No, it's like And she— they said it's so good. It's like you have to go like where the friction is. Like, she's already conquered LA. Like, this is boring to her. As she said, like, it's very expected. Like, it's not challenging. And like, in Seattle, she was tapping into like new reservoirs of herself and really growing.

But she can't stay there for that long because the Elle that we know is like a Bel Air girl. She does go to UCLA. CULA.

CULA. So she goes back to California, but I think she like acquires a lot of this depth through the challenges that she has to go through in Seattle.

And I know funny that like Seattle is like the hard place, like it's Afghanistan, you know, like Seattle.

Yeah, she had to move to Seattle. And that's why people are like, why all this Seattle bashing this week? You guys, like, we didn't start it.

The show is like making—

yeah, the show, LA, if she had moved to like Miami, pitted Seattle against the rest of the world.

They just did that.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Um, and of course, like, she goes back to Bel Air because she's a little bit, like, run out of town, out of Seattle. And I just want to say, everyone in Seattle is disgusting for not having her back. Like, what she did, I could understand, was, like, a little bit awkward, but if you just, like, asked a couple questions about the timeline, like, she could be forgiven. And what she had done previous to that in terms of, like, earning her stars in Seattle— like, she literally saved the whole fucking town, like, you disgusting bastards. And that no one had her back, like, they're not worthy of her friendship. So, like, Dustin Fuck you, Liz. Seriously? After Donna? Seriously? And then Miles, like, of course I expect more from Miles. Of course. However, like, I think he was feeling like insecure because it's like, I think he can't believe that she likes him. So when she found out— he found out she had like said these things about Seattle, I think it was like he was just so hurt. Not so much like, not that I'm taking it personally, like, I, I think less like I'm mad at you and more like, oh my gosh, like, did you ever— do you even like me?

No. So I just feel like I've now seen the whole series.

No, and it's like, I'm not gonna not spoil it because I know you're not gonna finish it, and I just need to talk about my true thoughts. So yeah, the way that it ended, like, I ship Elle and Miles. I ship Elle and Dustin's friendship. I do. Like, I think he's a good friend, and, and he's, he's a nice guy. He's really grown on me. Um, but like, Elle and Miles, like, I just need him to profess his love to her. I need to know everything he thinks about her because he really loves her. Oh my gosh. And like, Shannon, oh, you'd like—

who the fuck is Shannon?

You— do you ever meet Shannon?

Remind me.

She's like the nice girl who's friends with Kimberly. I don't know if you ever met her.

Who's Kimberly? The mean girl. Oh, oh, like the— no, I didn't mean a nice senior.

She gave her a basket.

No, no, I have no idea what you're talking about. I was watching Braxton Barrios. You know, he's on the Giants now. One of my favorite things is like the social media of NFL teams. Like, who— I know it's just like a bunch of swirlies who run those accounts. And they did this like very high, high quality video where they sat all the players down and gave them a bag of makeup and was like, tell us what this does. And of course, like none of them knew what it was.

Except for Braxton.

They did choose some like harder stuff. It wasn't like a lipstick. It was like like a heatless curler satin thing for your head. Like, more— he knew every single one. I couldn't believe he knew the heatless curler. And he— it's not like he said, like, you put it in your hair. He's like, the heatless curler.

Wow.

They also, of course, they had like eyeshadow palettes. The video was cracking me up. Pedicure, like those things you put between your toes.

He's a good boyfriend.

He's a good boyfriend. Um, it was a good moment for him. Like, the video— the comments were lighting up for him.

Yeah, he's supportive. He pays attention to his—

he's on a good team.

Work.

Jackson Claude Dart was there. He didn't know a lot of them.

Okay, that's also attractive. Yeah, it's attractive to know and not know, you know.

Yeah, I forgot that he got traded to the Giants from where? Texas. Remember the Houston Texans? I think that's really what broke up their relationship after the Dolphins.

I thought you meant Jackson.

Jackson and Braxton. I don't know about Jackson.

Jackson and Braxton and Paxton.

I only know Jackson Claude.

I know Paxton.

You know, a lot of people think your son's name is actually Paxton. Oh yeah, you want to clear up the rumors? And then a lot of people were then confused, thinking that maybe Olivia named her baby Paxton.

Or like when I just talk about Paxton, they're like, well, who's Paxton? Mysterious individual. Max is called Paxton, don't ask questions.

Reuben is called Sandwich.

Like, Reuben is called—

that one kind of is like, it's obvious why we call him Sandwich.

He's a Reuben sandwich. Yeah.

Um, Paxton's kind of obvious too.

Yeah, like Max Pax Pax, like Paxton.

Max and Paxton. Haxton. Laxton. Saxon.

Paxton.

Yeah, so yeah, it's a clear confusion.

If I'm ever talking about Paxton, I am talking about my son.

Olivia did not name her son Paxton. She named her son Jonathan. Did we ever tell people that? Maybe on the Patreon. Oh, speaking of Patreon, new episode just dropped. We did a whole studio transformation. I'm sure you've noticed. We've made quite a lot of improvements.

If you wonder like the behind the scenes, like what it took, what went to HomeGoods, what went into every detail, every decision.

Lots of behind the scenes sort of industry type of content.

And like car vlogging, having fun, snacking, swirling, snacking.

We did a little snack taste test. We went to HomeGoods. They have really unique snacks at HomeGoods.

Yeah, so it's really fun and swirly. Check it out.

Patreon's kind of like blowing up.

It's Patreon summer.

Yeah, it is. Like, I expect mostly vlogs. Yeah, we're all together, like Ben's cooking.

There's really like no plan for non-vlogs.

Yeah, it just doesn't feel like the vibe.

Yeah, and like we'd have to come to the studio.

Oh right, I remembered the other day that Nicole Kidman— because I saw this like great video of Keith Urban. He was like performing at a concert. He like got into the crowd. He like loves his job. Yeah, he jobs his love. And I forgot in that moment that like they broke up and they had that weird thing, remember, where he was like singing lyrics and they say that he cheated on her and now she's with Paul Salem, Businessman of the Week. That's like I just, I just feel like that whole thing was unnecessary, which them breaking up, like, what are you doing?

Well, it would be unnecessary if they were like back together.

No, I just feel like the world was more cohesive in a better place, like when they were married. It was a stable thing.

I feel like as much as we thought it would be like this destabilizing thing—

oh, nothing, nobody sort of like—

nobody moved.

That's interesting. I feel destabilized.

You do?

Yeah, because they like— it washed over me when I was watching this video. I was like, can I enjoy this? I love Who, like, who do you go with in the divorce if you had to choose?

Nicole.

Really?

Yeah.

I think I go with Keith.

Oh wow. Yeah, support women.

I've said that many times.

I know, but just like, if you're new here, know again, she doesn't support women.

Oh, if you're new here, there's so much to talk about.

Welcome, we're so happy to have you to the Morning Toast.

Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to the Morning Toast. Jackie and I are your hosts. We are actually Sisters.

True sisters.

Blood relatives. There is someone out there listening right now that doesn't just figuring out that we are sisters, like deadass grew up in the same house, bloodlines, the whole thing. Um, Jackie's older than me. A lot of people—

oh, another fun fact that people might not— a lot of people think I'm older because actually these days I think I act older.

I feel like for a while it was also like you have 3 kids, I have 1, so yeah, I think that's maybe more clear now. Um, what else can we tell you? We are part-time podcasters, part-time models.

No, I've quit modeling.

Oh, you've left the industry behind?

I've hung up my hat.

Eyelash curler.

Yeah, no, I'm not modeling anymore.

I feel like it's for the best.

I don't like— I don't enjoy it. I wasn't jobbing my love. Like, anytime that we had like modeling—

but one thing you should know about us is that we job our love.

We love our jobs and we job our love.

Absolutely.

And I had to stop modeling because it just wasn't like bringing me joy.

I feel like a lot of girls in the industry face that.

Yeah, so I'm like focusing on other elements of like my business and in your career. I've pivoted from modeling.

Yeah, I feel that. I'm still very much like in the industry booking gigs and stuff, but just know I'm like not happy about it.

Do you ever think like you'll leave the modeling world?

Absolutely. Yeah, when I meet my like tech founder boyfriend, my Evan Spiegel. Like, that's the best way to graduate from the modeling industry, like the Miranda. Yeah, Kerr model. Yeah, a lot of Jasmine too.

I mean, they all sort of do.

Yes, there comes a time where it's time to find your like calendar.

You could be with rock star.

Oh, I mean, Jasmine's, um, husband is like a diplomat.

Like, I don't know what he does, but you can do a rock star too, like Bahati and Lily Aldridge.

Lily Aldridge, Adam Levine. Yeah, I— there are a lot of different paths, but definitely marrying well is the best way to graduate from the modeling industry, in my opinion.

Yeah. So that's what's next for you?

Yeah, marrying well. Absolutely.

So those are some of our dreams and aspirations, in case you wanted to know a little bit more.

About us.

And if you want to know even more about us, like on a personal level, the Patreon— the Patreon's really where it gets personal, you know. We can only talk about ourselves for so long on this show because we have to talk about like celebrities.

We have to talk about MJ.

And MJ, sure. But in general, I mean, like we talk about celebrities and TV.

Jackie and I were sitting on the couch and like I saw the news first about MJ Kardashian— MJ— what is Kris Jenner's maiden name?

I don't know.

Do you not think it's crazy that we don't know that?

I'm sure if we hear it then we'll be like, oh yeah, that's it.

No, I actually don't think Kris Jenner made a name. You are never going to guess.

What?

I'll tell you, it starts with an H, and we know that her full name is Kristen. Everybody knows that, right? Kristen Mary is her middle name, obviously after MJ. Okay, last name— I don't even know how to pronounce this.

Let me see.

Houghton. H-O-U-G-H-T-O-N. Like, like the Huffs, but with a T-O-N at the end.

Houghton. H-O-U-G-H. T-O-N. Howden.

That's insane that we didn't know that.

Yeah, it is. Well, yes, that is.

Well, when we were sitting on the couch, I saw the news like on Instagram and I was like, oh my God, MJ died! And Jackie, Jackie thought I was talking about Mercedes Javid from Shahs of Sunset.

Well, she's like my first top of mind MJ.

She actually is my—

and I just like, I didn't think that's what you meant, but I couldn't think of the second MJ yet. Like, if I had—

I guess the first MJ is actually Michael Jackson, but he's already dead.

And that's not my MJ. Like, my MJ is Mercedes Javid.

My MJ is also Mercedes Javid, who I'm happy to report is alive and well. We wishing her the best, truly. Um, but I just thought that was funny.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I guess we'll get into the stories because there's like low-key drama about it.

You want to get into the stories?

Let's start. Anything else you want to talk about?

To get in the stories? Anything else we want to talk about? Hmm. Hmm. Oh my gosh, we're doing something crazy at the house. I don't even— I think you know what we're doing.

Building butterflies.

Yeah, we have caterpillars growing at the house.

I know, you know, it's like an animal rights activist.

Why? It's gonna be beautiful.

It is gonna be beautiful. But like, the fact you can just like buy a caterpillar, like, that's not so weird.

It's a worm, I guess.

Yeah. And they're like cocooning in the living room right now.

They're cocooning in the dining room, and they have reached cocoon status.

So you put them in that net.

Now we transfer them into the netted thing. There they will become butterflies, and they can fly in there, and then we will let them go.

Yeah, that's cool. Maybe they'll come back.

I don't know, maybe they'll hang around the backyard.

Do you think they've enjoyed like spending time at our house?

I think so. Like, we're so funny.

Oh, they're probably cracking up all day long and like cocooning. I imagine— oh my God, she thought Mercedes Javi died.

I imagine cocooning can be lonesome and boring. No, I imagine cocooning is a dream and you need entertainment like when you're cocooning.

And that's what we are.

And that's what we provide, you know.

Luke Combs, Nicole Combs, and their sons are also cocooning. Do you know that?

I saw she posted that.

I saw she was posting that she's cocooning. I'm like, what are the odds?

She posted her caterpillars and I was like, I'm literally 2 days behind you.

What are the odds?

I don't know. Like, is everybody—

is anyone else cocooning right now?

It's a really fun activity. I think Zach got them on Amazon. Like, I'll link them because it's like—

that's what I mean. It's weird that you can like buy a butterfly on Amazon. Do you know what I mean?

A caterpillar, I guess so. But it's beautiful. We're giving life. Yeah.

And I also want to say The Very Hungry Caterpillar is a terrible book.

I agree.

It's just like interesting what's taken off because, you know, the guy who illustrated Very Hungry Caterpillar, Eric Carle, is also Brown Bear, Brown Bear illustrator. He has a specific look, obviously, like a billionaire. Because like when I went to TJ Maxx, there was like toys from a company called The World of Eric Carle. Like he's monetized up the ass. I've actually had a couple of his products, um, and like in another life—

no, if someone wrote that book today, like if a friend wrote that book and gave it to me, I'd be like, you should go back to work.

Of course, the books that are popular, like, you know the one, um, it's called like Coconut or something, it's like orange and pink.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Coco?

It's like about—

Chica Chica?

Yes, Chica Chica. I'm like, are you guys fucking serious? And that's a book I've been reading. Some of them stand the test of time. Cat's in the Cradle and the Silver Spoon. Goodnight Moon, that one is really beautiful.

Goodnight Moon.

Goodnight Mouse. Sitting in chairs. Three Little Bears sitting in chairs.

Yeah, so cute.

But some of them I'm like, this is— it's like propaganda. It's both of the mush. Like, I, I genuinely don't understand how The Very Hungry Caterpillar— it is definitely like the biggest top 5. Yeah, it's crazy that Eric Carle has 2 top 5 books. How much money do you think he has? And now he has merchandise.

Yeah, he's merchandised, so that's probably where the money is.

Each book has definitely sold like well over like 5 million copies.

Yeah, but like again, star will, you know, it sucks. It's like you would buy it as a gift for someone, but you'd never buy it for yourself. Let me tell you, I think it's the worst book ever.

I have at least 4 copies.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know, industry plant, one in Florida. Like, there's a lot of books like that. Yeah, industry plants.

Well, we need the industry to plant The Camper and the Counselor.

We need them to plant The Camper and the Counselor.

Talk with the industry, actually, because I got a couple of plants I need to plant.

Yeah, it's so true.

If you're looking for like an actually good book that's not a piece of shit, The Camper and the Counselor. It's— let me tell you, I'm like, I'm knee-deep in books, like, and I read books all the time, and I'm very judgmental. Like, I need a message, a good message of either like home, hearth, family, whatever.

I need parge illustrations.

Like, some of these depressing ass, like, colorless books— no. And I'm sorry, it needs to rhyme. I know that's controversial. Not everybody thinks books for children need to rhyme. Kimberly the Counselor, I couldn't come up with one bad thing to say about it.

Thank you so much. Except for, like, the fact that you're not in it. Oh, I mean, yeah.

And let's talk about the sequel. We've always said you're gonna— but now I'm also— I'm like, we should really do a QLab book where we write, like, the Turdies Adventures or something.

Like, oh, like a separate series?

Yeah, like a separate franchise.

Oh, I love that, because, like, I like, I do have sequel ideas.

You should start ideating on that.

I have, I have.

Okay.

I have. It's just like I haven't had the bandwidth, you know?

I have the bandwidth. You have the ideas. So like you just tell me and I'll take it to market.

Oh, interesting. And, and, and who's gonna write it? You, right?

Right. So I haven't had the bandwidth, but like tell me, I'll type it and you talk, you know?

Okay. Okay.

We need another children's book.

I think we need like a lot of children's books.

Like, I know we just need a lot because, and I know that like celebrity children's book, it is a saturated market, but some of them are really good.

I agree.

Some of them are really bad.

River Rose's The Magical Lullaby.

Kelly Clarkson's is good. Jimmy Fallon.

I never read it. I know, like, Lauren Elizabeth gave it to me because she said it's actually good, but I didn't read it. Sorry.

Also, Jamie Lee Curtis has one that's more—

it's a little about the balloons. It's a little about where do balloons go. I like it.

Yeah, it's, um, obviously The Camper and the Counselor, celebrity book. Nabela has one. You know, it's like, it's a little oversaturated, but we're just what the industry needs.

So I like— literally, I have 1,000 children's books, like, more, more, more.

Yeah.

Let's have more books.

Your phone is vibrating a lot. Who you texting? Your best friend? Let me guess, your neighbor?

No, it's like junk notifications. Junk?

You've got junk in your trunk?

It's like junk notifications, you know, like family chats. No, that's not junk.

Yeah, so I was like, what?

Like Facebook and—

and you don't put your phone on do not disturb when we record?

I always do. I actually didn't find that it was vibrating more. Like, usually it vibrates a lot, I'm like, do not disturb. But I, I guess you heard it more than I felt.

I did.

You did. I think we could dive in to the Fast Five stories that you need to know.

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Our first story as— hold the phone, what on earth are you doing here? Ben's here!

My purse is right there. Ben is here. Okay, wait, just don't walk in front of the camera, my darling.

Okay, oh my God, I thought we were about to get like a cake or something.

Oh, I fucking wish.

Next time you come to switch car keys, can you bring a cake, please?

Ben took my car by accident this morning, but it wasn't a big deal, Ben. I was Like, totally fine.

Did you cut? I don't even want to know, like, what's going on.

And we're all good.

Do you drive all the way here just to switch cars?

And okay, that's unnecessary. That's just a little unnecessary because I did ask you to go set up the water table, so you could go do that now. Yeah, set up the water table. Bye. That was very like—

where did he come from? I've never—

I don't know, never got from that door. From the—

he came from the control room.

Oh God, he probably— oh, you know what, something—

at least he had the decency to wait till the ads were done. I think that's what he was doing.

You think?

I think so.

I'm, I'm—

credit to him.

I'm shaking at the thought of him being in the control room. They should just make sure everything's still plugged in. He just has a way of like unplugging things with his mind.

Yeah, yeah, like Matilda. Yes. Speaking of paranormal activity, the birds— oh, we haven't even discussed the air quality.

Oh my God, you guys. Okay, yeah, we live in New York and there's like a wildfire in Ontario that is affecting us personally.

I mean, it's affecting— I was also talking to our friend who's in Michigan and she said her— really, sky is so bad.

I know it's really bad in the city and people are like actually being encouraged to stay inside the last like 4 days. I thought like 4 days ago we were getting a thunderstorm, so I'm like, oh, it's like kind of cloudy.

Yeah, a little orange.

And then it started to smell and turns out like we are getting the smoke from the Ontario wildfires. The air quality is so bad. Like obviously things are worse for the people in Ontario and I don't want to complain.

North of here, between here and Ontario.

But so crazy, this happens like every now and then. It happens every summer, like one after noon, like there's a cloudy— but for it to be going on almost 4 or 5 days is so crazy.

And up until today, everyone's insisted the AQI, the air quality index, has been totally fine. You could be outside. Yeah, it smells like— it smells drier, but like it's not harmful. But today the AQI is very high.

It's so spooky. Not to be like complaining, because I know there's like animals probably dying, maybe even people, but like, I can't go outside, I can't swim. Like, it's my summer break. Yeah, um, I hope everyone's okay. Wildfires stay the craziest thing.

Yeah, they really do.

And then Jackie was saying the other day that people who start wildfires— because like obviously some of them are man-made and some of them are—

so I was looking into it, uh, between 85 and 90% of wildfires are man-made.

Arson?

Not arson. Oh, some— a lot are accidental.

So of course, of course, you know, you left your camp— yeah, right, right, your hair iron.

So I take back what I said due to those people.

No, it's like, what percentage of wildfires are arson?

So, um, in the U.S., intentional ignition typically makes up about 10 to 15%.

That's like still a lot.

A lot. 85 to 90 is like debris burning, unintended campfires, friction, rain, power lines. Yeah, but yet— but friction, like rain, that's not man-made. Fireworks.

No, that's like natural causes.

Cigarettes.

Yeah, you see Kylie's been smoking a lot of cigarettes.

Well, she said that she was gonna—

I feel like she said it on Therapist as like a soft launch, being like, if you see me in a carousel with a cigarette So yesterday she posted a cigarette, also reading a script. Yeah, people are wondering what the secret project is.

Well, she wants to do some more acting. Okay, no, but she can do like— she can dabble because she did a great job with Charli XCX.

She did do a great job.

And her boyfriend is Timothée. And if she wants to dabble, she can dabble. Okay, it's not like Kim, like, turning her life upside down while also trying to become a lawyer and have 4 children.

Well, let's dive into the stories because I have a lot to say about Kim and Skims.

Yeah, and also wanting to now be the next Meryl Streep. That's different. This is a hobby for Kylie.

Let's dive into the stories because I have some things to say about Kim.

Okay, so first story: Kris Jenner announces the death of her mother Mary Jo, MJ Shannon, at the age of 91. So Kris posted yesterday a photo of MJ saying, today we said goodbye to my beautiful mommy MJ. She wrote a very long caption, it's very beautiful. I'm going to read most of it. She said, there are no words that could ever capture what she has meant to me or the heartbreak of having to say goodbye. My mom was the heart of our family. She taught me everything that truly matters. To love your family fiercely, to be kind, to show up for the people you love, and to never take a single moment together for granted. She taught us that family is everything. She showed us how to love unconditionally and how to find joy in little moments. She showed me how to face life's challenges with resilience and faith. Mom, thank you for every sacrifice you made, every piece of wisdom you shared, and every moment you loved us so completely. I will miss our daily talks, your smile, your laughter. Our hearts are broken, but we find comfort knowing that love like yours never truly leaves us.

This caption's really beautiful, and I want to read it because we, we read a lot of junk on this show, but these are like really great life lessons in here.

And she obviously did an amazing job of being a mother, and they love and respect her so much.

And the legacy that she's left is literally unbelievably insane. So if we can get any pearls of wisdom from this woman, we should read them.

It's also like if you're a Kardashian fan, like, MJ's been around for a while, and we've sort of like known she's like had health issues. They talk about it a lot. She's like just sort of like frail little woman.

She's much old— she's 90.

She's much older. So we've sort of like known this day was coming, but it almost like never came. Like, she really— Kris took amazing care of her. Um, and I just know Kris is like devastated. Kris is like very existential. Like, whenever the girls are like having a good time, she'll start crying. And like, once you become a mom, you like understand exactly why. And I remember once when she was like like, they were like, why are you crying? She was like, well, because you're all going to be doing this, and like one day I'm not going to be here. And it was just like very upsetting to hear her. So she's definitely like very emotional about like time and age, and I just know she's devastated. Like, I feel so sad for her.

I feel so sad for her too. And Kris is, uh, oh, 70 now, right? She just did her—

and she had her kids really young—

and a 7-0 birthday, right?

Oh, right.

But so she's lived 70 years with her mother, which is such a blessing.

Such a blessing. Don't get that.

Like, then to now not—

I know—

is so sad.

There was also like a little weirdness with Kim's Instagram. She's been like at the lake with Lewis Hamilton, like posting videos of them kissing and him with her kids, and like nobody cares. Like, I'm telling you, like, this couple's just like not impactful in any real way. Um, and Kim posted at like noon that— like a carousel of Lewis and the water skiing, lake life. It was a carousel of their week at the lake. And then 2 hours later, Kris posted that MJ had passed away. So it was like, well, Kim like when, when that story went up, like MJ had probably passed away and Kim probably already knew it. Like the timing was really strange. Now we know Kim like pre-schedules her Instagrams and it's like a whole thing, her flow, but it's like, are we still doing that in this day and age? So she then updated her caption because people were commenting like, this is weird, like didn't your grandmother just pass away? And she updated her caption just to address like, oh, this was scheduled, like obviously, like we're— and then Lewis Hamilton posted a carousel from the lake too with a caption hold your loved ones near and dear.

Like, I just think it's weird. Why can't they let the lake content go?

I don't know.

Or post it in a month. Like, yeah, it's like they had to get the lake content up, but people— I'm telling you, like, we don't care.

Yeah, you can skip it. Yeah, it's a little shallow.

And I feel like all the things that people say about Kim that I really don't believe, like, it's just like a little self-indulged.

And like, I don't know, I don't want to like judge. Like, I, I think, you know, no one's hurting more than them, Kris, and them, like, these people commenting, why'd you post the lake? Like, they don't care about MJ more than Kim does. No, of course they're not more devastated than Kim is. But like, I also find it weird to be like scheduling personal content, do you know what I mean? Like, I know businesses schedule, and if you have a launch or whatnot, but like an ad, or it's like, we're not gonna post from the lake because we'll wait till we go home or whatever. But like, the idea that it's like all these like personal photos are in a scheduling tool— not that scheduling tools aren't like that ubiquitous that like she runs her personal account with a scheduling tool. Yeah.

And also, like, I know at the time, like, Instagram was all about, like, flow and how frequently you post, but I don't know, it just seems ever since they, like, started to copy TikTok, like, it's more of, like, a free-for-all. It's less curated. It's less— and so I didn't realize she was still doing that.

Yeah, I just feel like it's not a great look that she uses a scheduling tool to post her personal content when her whole brand is, like, social media authenticity and, like, being the person that runs her account. Like, I feel like the way I think of her account is like nobody else would have the password, you know? Right. She really— like, it's hers, and it is.

But a scheduling tool just sort of like takes a little bit of the mystery away.

Yeah, it just makes it like less authentic.

Yeah. So that was just like a weird thing. But I know the girls are devastated. This is so sad. And like, seriously, wishing them the best. I really am.

Yeah. Also, Kris lost her sister like Right, I think that was probably a year ago, like not so long ago. So I think she's probably just having very hard— like, I love—

Kris is my official, like, favorite Kardashian. She has been for a while. It always changes, but like, Kris is my favorite. And I just know she's really upset. Like, I know she's taking this really hard.

Yeah, I love her.

I really hope she's okay.

Also, MJ's last name is Shannon because she split from Kris's dad Houghton when Kris was 7. So Chris's stepdad, Harry Shannon, was like—

but Kris never took her stepdad's name.

No. And then I feel like Kris got married young, so she was never particularly attached to her maiden name. And I think it's okay that we don't know it.

I think so too. And I think she wants us to know her as Kris Jenner or Kris Kardashian. Yeah, I love that she still goes by Kris Kardashian.

Yeah, or there was that episode where she was like, I think I should go back to Kardashian.

I actually agree. Only because like things with Caitlyn like were so bad. Um, but I guess she's like as much of a Kardashian as she is a Jenner. It's like an ex-husband.

Yeah, with children. No, I mean, and it's more recent. Like, no, she's like 4 kids. But I feel like when she— when she said it, it was because the Kardashian name was—

of course, a Jenner name is huge now too.

Now too. But when she said it, it wasn't. The girls were like in high school.

The pictures of Jacob Elordi and Kendall in Malibu, like so happy.

I, I want happiness for them, and I just want like commitment and eternity. That's also what I want for them.

The thing is, if she's going to graduate from the modeling industry sometime soon, that's—

there's not enough money there.

He's not— no, it's not a big offer, but she has a lot of money. Yeah, no, she's fine.

And her family has many— maybe they could help them. Maybe they could help them, you know.

It'll be like the poor couple in the family. Yeah, right. Um, Is she gonna fly home, like, because of MJ? Oh, are these old photos?

Oh, I don't know. I'm sure she'll go home. They were in Malibu.

I think she said Maui.

I think I said— I think it was Malibu.

Oh, okay. Well, let me just drive home. Yeah, Kylie was in Malibu too, so that actually tracks.

Oh, cute. Yeah, very cute.

Like, seriously, rest in peace MJ. You were a queen, a true queen who, like, till the end had her bob on point. Yeah, not a gray hair in sight.

You wanted to talk about legacy, like, that's a crazy.

How many grandkids? Well, great-grandkids. Like, how many grandkids?

No, Chris.

And right the other side, remember Kim got her wedding dress from Oscar de la Renta?

Yeah. So I don't even know how many grandkids and great-grandkids, but like, when you think about like what her daughter and like grandchildren have built, like, it's really amazing.

Rest in peace, Queen.

Yes. Our next story, another bit and bob from Lourdes' wedding has leaked from Pat McAfee. Thanks, King.

I wouldn't realize it came from Sir Pat McAfee.

It did. When I saw that, I just thought— I guess he was— yeah, he's a big guy, but I thought it was Pat McGrath. And then I'm like, there we have—

cracking up. Was Pat McGrath there?

I don't know, but they have very similar names.

No, and Pat McGrath and Taylor are like OG friends. Everybody knows Taylor's iconic red lip is Pat McGrath.

Right, so maybe Pat McGrath was there and that wasn't totally off base. But Pat McAfee let us know that Avril Lavigne performed at Taylor Swift and Travis's wedding. So he shared that Avril Lavigne played Sk8er Boi.

That's like Ben's fucking dream.

Yeah, he said, I guess me saying Avril Lavigne played Sk8er Boi was the first time that it came out, but she was awesome. He said, to be clear, those musicians, really cool.

Like, oh, thanks for clarifying.

One would just call out the other and then they would come up and just do their shit. So I get it, it was like a little bit of like an open mic.

Yeah, I think also the night before they had like a lot of karaoke, so like people just got up and sang their own songs, sang other people's songs. I don't know if this was like a full-on performance where like she had her band with her, but I think a lot of people who are like also musicians sang. Yeah, also, and after party had karaoke.

Ice Spice, he said, performed too.

Ice Spice is so random to me. Yeah, like she popped on the scene seemingly out of nowhere, but like I'm not, you know, really into rap music, so like maybe she had like an origin story that I wasn't familiar with. She was the hottest thing on the planet. Like the fact that Taylor got her, like it was actually difficult for Taylor to get her. Like it and then she like disappeared.

I believe they call it a flash in the pan.

Yeah, they say she's in the key asylum. I think—

I don't think she like had enough success to be in there. Did enough.

I personally like that song, "You think you're the shit, bitch, you're not even the fart." Like, such a good lyric.

Ew.

I know, but it's such a good insult.

How about, "Ew, you think you're the shit, bitch, you're not even the fart." That's disgusting.

I know, I'm gonna start using it though.

Like, please. Okay, fine, fine.

Like, when Ben comes in, like, you know, with his car, he's having a lot of success in his career. Like, he comes in thinking You think you're the shit, bitch? You're not even the fart.

That's mean.

I know. And Ben is the shit and the fart.

Please stop. Please, I beg of you.

Should we tell everyone what Ben did yesterday? No, we can't.

No, we can't.

We can't.

We can't. We'll tell you on Patreon. Yeah. Okay, next story. A little Taylor adjacent news. I want to get your thoughts. Sydney Sweeney posted her new undies for CERN.

Siren.

Oh yeah, her lingerie brand is S-Y-R-N.

Um, the streets say it's Siren. The toast says it's CERN.

We wrap our brains to think about how it was pronounced and we just assume CERN, but it's Siren. Okay, Siren. And so she posted some of her new undies that are like cute little white and pink lace undies, very like girly. Yeah, and it says they have like stitched, stitched, but daddy, I love him. And then she posted that on her Instagram saying, panty packs with some of my lil sayings, hehehe, get yours now.

Now obviously people are freaking. This is Scooter Braun's girlfriend. This is a Taylor Swift lyric. And I would love to look into this more, but like Taylor Swift did not invent that phrase. Um, and I think a lot of people maybe just don't know that. She definitely popularized it. Not even like, I think, I believe it's from The Little Mermaid. Oh, not everyone like making it like sexy. It's from The Little Mermaid. Um, yeah, she didn't invent that. Like, I could see maybe someone at Siren saying, well, maybe we shouldn't do this just to avoid any sort of— but Taylor didn't invent it and she doesn't own it. And I think if she went to like file a copyright for it, she wouldn't even be eligible. Yeah, so this is a big nothing burger.

Yeah, I agree, but people are gonna like take it and it's like two folks. It's like on the one hand, she didn't even invent it, um, and on the other hand, like, she has so many songs, even on TPPD itself, like, there are so many lyrics of like common phrases or whatever.

Yeah, she loves phrase.

If all of those phrases are off limits because she's saying them, like, that's insane.

And they're the only ones that are off limits are the ones she created, and she does create a lot, but she didn't invent all— like, you sometimes you just like pull from culture and—

yeah, rephrase it and just like phrase it. Yeah, yeah.

And this is one of them. Sorry, she didn't invent it. Yeah, that's not to say she stole it. Like, you're using a phrase, like, but she comes up with a lot of her own.

Yeah, but people are really like shook and with the Scooter of it all.

But I, I think, of course, but people are always looking for stuff with, um, Scooter and Taylor.

Yeah.

And I think at present there's nothing there.

Agreed. No, this is not it. The undies are cute.

I wonder if Sydney Sweeney like likes Taylor Swift though, because she's just like swirly, you know. She's of age.

She can't like her that much.

Yeah, well, not anymore. She probably had to set aside— this isn't— when you date a billionaire, you know, some things you just gotta sacrifice.

Yeah, and a friendship with Taylor Swift.

Or even just like the discography of Taylor Swift. She can't be playing that in the car. Well, I don't know.

I don't know. And maybe sometimes she drives solo.

Well, of course she has her solo playlist, like her hidden playlist.

I feel like when Scooter talks about the Taylor thing, I actually think he wouldn't mind listening to her music. I feel like that's what he was trying to say, was like that he— yes, likes— like he respects her.

It was never really about him liking her, right?

And he respects her and wanted to—

he bought the music because he knew it was good and valuable. Yeah, like, no, it was more so Taylor, like, right?

Thinking that he shouldn't be the one to own her music.

Correct. And so we don't have to get into that, but it was never about like—

so I think Scooter hurt— I think Scooter's fine listening to Taylor Swift.

I just think like the sound of her voice probably reminds him of all the hate he got.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, then, then, you know, then he had a reason to be mad.

Yeah.

After the fact. Yeah, yeah, maybe it's a solo drive.

Yeah.

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Are you ready for our next story? Are you ready for our next story? I said turd watchers. Um, Role Model was on Therapist and he revealed that he wants to raise a daughter as a single dad. So I'm going to read the details to you. Um, Role Model is opening up about his dreams of becoming a dad. He joined Jake Shane on Thursday to discuss everything from his career to his personal life. During the conversation, Role Model, who was born Tucker Pillsbury— your favorite, I know, we can't like go the rabbit hole of his name right now.

Yeah, no, no, and we've been there before.

Shared his hopes for his future as a parent. He said, quote, my dream has always been to be a single father and to have a daughter, and to raise a daughter by myself would be really fun. Her name's Winnie. He went on to share that he's opening to welcome a little one through surrogate. He said, I want a daughter that's ideally mine, and then I thank whoever had it for me. He admitted that his— I, I, I want to like watch the clip because because just text— what? Yeah, also, wait, but then he said he admitted that his choices may be destructive for the kid, but he explained he just wants to be able to raise a child by myself. I just want to raise a child by myself because then you can kind of just like mold them into your best friend. Like, is this a joke?

I don't know, like go to a bar. Like, you're looking for a friend, right? You're gonna get a—

you're looking for— and so you're gonna like create a child in your image, and it's like, well, what if you had a boy? It's like the— there's so many things wrong with this statement that like, I honestly—

it has to be—

I was like looking for the transcript of it. Can you search on TikTok? Yeah, role model daughter.

Yeah, because you know, I hate to—

and I don't want to like comment on it if I don't have all the information, but like, this is so twisted to me.

Also, he's literally dating like a Dakota. Yeah, a woman who, you know— okay, here, be a single father. And to have a daughter and to raise a daughter by myself would be really fun. Her name is Winnie.

Dream has always been to have—

that was mine.

Sorry, seems like not a joke.

No, he seems like he's talking quite seriously.

And like, are we supposed to—

someone made like an edit of it.

Are we supposed to be impressed by this?

I just— I don't want to like say anything out of turn, so let me just like offer my credentials. Like, I was raised by a single mom, so I'm just gonna say I don't think like nobody sets out like wanting to be a single parent. It's hard. And I think it a lot of times works out for the best. And of course, like, but it's not ideal to be doing it alone. So like, this is like a weird thing to say.

I think it's a weird thing to say. And like, he's already like named the child. And again, like, what if it's a son?

The naming is weird.

It just seems like so like rigid. And that's just not like how—

also like to like to have a dream to have a child. So like, you have a friend is like a bad reason to do it.

And he says like, this might be destructive for the child. It's just like not about you. I just don't think that this is like funny or like coming off the way he thinks it's coming up. And I don't know if that's like a hot take, but I think it's like kind of twisted.

I agree, it's like a little dark.

Okay, great.

That's weird.

Yeah, I wonder what like Jake said back. Like, I wanted to hear the conversation. I was looking on, you know, Spotify now, like they segment the episode by like topic discussions. It's actually amazing. So I was like, where is daughter in the conversation.

Role model's daughter.

Role model's daughter. Tucker's love life, would it be under there? I'm not like—

people were so freaking about him on Therapist. Like, I don't really— I'm, I'm just— I think I'm a little old for like the role model.

You accused me before we recorded of being his biggest fan. You are.

You're always choosing stories.

I'm not. I think you're confusing him with Somber, and I've become a really big fan of Somber.

Me too.

I like you, but my body isn't ready.

I don't want to talk down on your lover, I don't want to be a homewrecker.

And the other one, the one 12 to 12.

In a room full of people, I look for you. No, so good. Like, let me tell you, the kids ate with Somber.

I also, like, I tried to listen to Role Model in the car because I know his, like, bridge is going viral in Joy or whatever. So I was like, oh, I like that part, let me listen to Joy. And like the bridge is good.

Yes, Sally, I like that song. Yeah, but it's like a one song, it's gonna need more than that.

Yeah, so I just feel like he gets a lot of like uplifted from Jake, from, from Somber. Like I think Somber's— I don't know, I think you're the only person who's confused. Tides are raising Roll's ship.

I don't agree, I don't agree.

I think so. Like when I see a song, I'm like, I just really conflate the two, but now I know I've identified that I like somber, and I don't really like, like, role modeling.

And this, like, weird statement isn't helping.

No. And he dated Emma Chamberlain for 3 years.

Yes, like when he was truly nobody. I was like, she was being very generous with her time, and then of course, like, the second they break up—

And Roll is the one that Taylor likes, or somber?

Somber.

Oh, I love that. Yeah. And somber now is reminding me of Benson Boone.

Okay, yeah, very similar.

Like, but sure, more Benson.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. That's why Harry Styles is having a hard time. Like, there's a lot of competition in the male pop star space. For a while it was just kind of lonely for him.

Yeah, yeah. Well, speaking of Sally, are you ready for our fifth and final story?

Speaking of Sally, is this about Kyle Cook?

No, but it is about Sally Carson, so we can talk about Kyle Cook. Um, Lala Kent and Sally Carson are starting a podcast together about sex. It's called Sex Unlocked.

Um, was there no food news today that you could—

no, I actually— I saw this like on my own, and then there was a bunch of news about like Sally Carson. I'm like, I kind of want to talk about this podcast because like it's hitting me wrong.

Okay, it's not hitting me at all.

So like, it's actually— it's worse than not hitting me at all. Like, it's actually hitting me wrong. It says, forget the birds and the bees, we're talking about the toys, the turn-ons, the orgasms, and everything they conveniently skipped Sex Ed, and then like the first episode dropped last night and it's just like the girls like just talking like about sex. Um, I'm uncomfortable. I'm uncomfortable. Like everyone wants to be Call Her Daddy again. Even Call Her Daddy doesn't want to be Call Her Daddy.

Call Her Daddy doesn't even want to be Call Her Daddy. I feel like she— I, I feel like when— I don't know if you saw, like Kenzie was like, when she was like so excited to be on Call Her Daddy, she was like, you taught me how to suck dick. I just felt like Alex, who's like there, like matured, pregnant like her butthole clenched. Like, I feel like she runs from that. She's not a sex podcast anymore. Like, yes, people come out and maybe talk about like more racy things, but not really. Um, I guess there is like a market for it because that is when the show was most popular, like two girls just talking about like sucking cock. Oh, I just thought I'd switch it up a little bit by saying cock.

Please, no.

Yeah. Um, so I guess there is like an audience of people for that because it was so popular at the time, and now nobody does that.

Alex and Sophia were really young young, like when they were doing it. And so I think that so was their audience. And it's— it is sort of like that age of like, you know, there is no sex ed, no one's talking about this, versus like Lala and Sally are like—

with like children, like, yeah, one of them. Yeah.

And the audience, the Bravo audience, like, we know how things work and it's not like revolutionary to like talk about sex and be sex positive. Like, that's not a novice concept, but acting like it is, is just a random pairing. Acting like it's novice is tired, don't you find? Yeah, and I love Lala. I like Sally sometimes on Southern Charm, but I think off the show I would like her more than on the show. I think on the show she's like being a character, and I respect that. Um, that's why like you think this would be for me, that the two of them are doing a podcast. Lala does like a lot of podcasts.

She does. I feel like she kind of can't get something to stick. She does Unlikely Affair with Randall's, um, and I feel like, like when they announced that, like it was buzzy, but like the novelty has worn off, and I don't think it's like a show that gets like a lot of consistent listenership.

I see clips. I know, seems like they're having some compelling conversations.

I'm sure. I just don't think it's very popular.

I know, and I like the clips that I see, but like not enough to listen. She also does her solo podcast, but I think she changed the name.

Yeah, so I just think she hasn't really been able to like strike yet with a podcast. And when you're a reality star, current or former, like podcasting is such a big revenue stream for you. Like, I actually think Shenanigans is like quite popular. I think it does well. She like works hard at it and like she has podcast. So I feel like Lala hasn't really had success in a podcast yet, so she's just like trying different things. Because yes, this is like the— I feel like the third time we've done a story about a podcast Lala's launching.

Yeah, no, she does her solo, and I think she's been doing it for a long time and it does well, but then you get to a place where it's like, well, let's start another one. No, no, let's start another one. We could double our revenue, right? You know, like, we've had those thoughts before. If we did another Evening Toast. Yeah, yeah, a rewatch, you know, like, that's sort of like what start to think, but I don't really think that that's like necessarily the right thing. I also think this is like an iHeartRadio podcast. I think it's very like branded and stuff, and they're probably just like getting paid.

Okay.

And I just like— no.

Okay.

But did you want to talk about Sally and Kyle?

No, that's why I thought you were choosing. I'm like, oh, who cares?

And that's like old news. He's also like seeing other people.

Oh yeah.

From Next Gen. She seems young.

Yeah, he seems— well, people like have rewritten history, um, when it comes to the Summer House crew because Kyle was like wronged by Amanda, so everyone's like giving him this like hero edit. So yeah, he would date like a teenager. He's like not a good guy. What are you guys talking about? Everyone likes to forget.

Girl like her date him?

When you're new to the Bravo universe, he's like the cool older guy, the senior.

Please.

No, I'm serious. Like That's people—

he's the super senior.

He is the 40-year-old who's going back to college, like going to night school.

Yeah, no, he's the one like—

no, but I could see being like young, naive, new to reality TV. He's just part of this huge scandal.

So like, but she's not naive because she's from like a wealthy family.

Yeah, no, but reality TV is like— Bravo's like a whole new universe. He's like one of the cool seniors. I'm telling you, like I could see her being like dazzled by that.

Okay, yeah, that's surprising.

Just a guess.

So that's what's going on in the Bravo sphere.

I feel like it's been kind of quiet, a quiet summer for the Bravo universe.

What's on now? People are saying Real Housewives of Orange County, which it's just been too long for me.

I agree, I agree. Like, it's also a bad season for Heather Dubrow.

I've missed too much. Oh, she's on the show? I didn't even know.

Yeah, I don't know, wasn't she like trying to get on Beverly Hills?

Was she—

they sold their place in Orange County, the one that they talked about forever, and we finally got to see it. Yeah, it was amazing. You know, it was amazing. And then they sold it shortly after. They set a record and they bought a place in LA. I think a lot of people thought she was like aiming for a spot on Beverly Hills, which actually she would be good for. She does feel really out of place with the other women on Beverly— on Orange County, but I guess she's back. Okay, she must be paid well because she's a big draw.

And I think she— where last I checked, like, she had a real friendship with Some of the women.

Yeah, Gina.

Okay, I love Gina. I'm surprised. And you love Emily. I'm surprised you're not watching.

I love Emily. She has her head on straight the last time I checked. Don't quote me on that. Um, that's our show. Those are the stories, right? Yeah, thank you guys so much for listening to the Total Money Morning Show.

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