Transcript of Jobbing Our Love: Wednesday, October 15th, 2025

Good morning, girlies. It's The Toast.

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your hosts.

It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the toast.

They sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Durst. Happy worst. Hey, Durst. How you, Durst?

Happy worst. What's the worst day?

Yeah, even though it's so not.

I know. What is the worst day? Have we ever decided Monday?

Of course, it's Monday. Yeah, it is. But, Jackie, when you love your job and you job your love, every day is the burst day.

Oh, It's a birth day.

When you get to work with your beautiful sister, every day is the birth day.

Every day is birth day. Monday, Tuesday, Thursday.

How are you doing, preggielicious?

I'm good, thank Thank you. Just post it up. I'm in a comfy position. I don't think I'm going to move for the whole show.

Yeah. But then being in a comfy position is a blessing and a curse because you don't move. Then when you have to move, you're like an ice sculptor I'm sure. You literally cannot. You're frozen.

Yeah, and Bruno's not here. He does take up half the chair, which is really crazy. Just like he takes up half the bed. He's such a crazy individual, that Bruno. He's getting self-indulged. He's getting groomed right now. So tomorrow, he'll be back looking Handsome, bringing his best to the show. But he did take a personal day for self-care.

Speaking of Bruno, I have just a small personal update.

Okay. It's scary when you phrase it that way. Just because you never know what Koji's doing.

I miss Romeo. Me and Ben were looking at pictures of him last night. That's how you know I'm hating LA. I really miss my dog.

Oh, so today we hate LA?

Yeah. It's just like...

Yesterday, we were tolerating it.

Yeah. I just hate to be so negative. I actually really believe that, even though my joke is that I'm a negative queen. I feel like when you have a negative mindset, it really affects your reality. You see in the world what is in your mind. You're what?

Now you're talking like a true podcaster.

No, I know. Job your love, love your job.

La has gotten to her. The dear media offices have gotten to her.

See, I felt this way when I was postpartum, too, because it's so easy to slip into being negative. I'm tired. But then you start to see the world through your hate I need a rise. I really generally try to be a positive person, even though I joke all the time that I'm so negative. I live to complain, but once I slip into like, hating something, I can't get out. I have to rise above. I stay above water, and I'm slipping.

You know what you should do? I don't know what your plans are today, but you should go to the ocean.

I should go to the ocean.

You love the ocean. You're obviously a water sign. Low key, so am I. But that's an inconvenient truth because I'm not.

That's what Al Gore was talking about when he made that movie, Jackie O being a water sign. Being a Water Sign. Being a Water Sign. That's just inconvenient.

Though not really liking swimming.

Not really liking. You have a pool. How many times have you been in your own pool? Twice?

A couple of times, but I'm always pregnant, and I don't like to swim when I'm pregnant, so I can't swim.

Another inconvenient truth.

Another inconvenient truth. But no, I think that you should head to the Pacific. What about a little Nobu Malibu? I think you need to touch sand. I think I need to touch sand. I think that's one of the great assets of California is the Pacific and the weather and just the sun in your hair. I think you need to run a convertible and drive down the PCH. I think that's what you need. I feel like you're too much in Tinsal town, and you need to get to Tinsal Burb.

Tinsal Adjacent.

Tinsal Coast.

Tinsalville.

Do with that amazing advice what you will.

That's really good advice. I need to pack a bathing suit.

Oh, my gosh. That's so not cogy.

So not water sign of me. But I did pack two for Ruby.

Looks like you're skinny-dipping.

It'll be a treat for my fellow beachgoers down in the boom.

You should really rent a convertible and drive down the That's my way. Ruby will love it.

Yeah, 100%.

I wonder what each of you kids can go in a convertible.

You can't put a car seating a convertible?

You could, but that's crazy. That's crazy.

My baby would be fine.

Well, yeah, because he loves Hollywood and he's so taken with his town and he never wants to go home. Plot twist.

No, he is literally his father, loving it, living it up.

That is hysterical.

And Ben is even more crazy than ever. Actually, Jackie is going to eventually go on maternity leave, but I did want to do an episode. I told Jackie today, I'm like, If you're feeling tired, Ben is dying to get on the podcast. And I'm dying to get him on the podcast. We're having two completely different experiences here.

Oh, that is hysterical. Okay, yeah. Maybe tomorrow, No, no can do.

Yeah, if you just feel a little tired.

I'm feeling a little out of pocket.

I know someone who's got the itch for Fame. Ben is literally 50 feet from stardom.

That is really hysterical. One of my favorite tropes about Lish. Yeah, me too. Have any opportunities come his way since he's been in Los Angeles?

Well, just like the good guys is thriving, right? Ben was actually telling me. I won't spoil it.

Which means that it's time to go home.

Correct. Once the good guys are doing better than us. We're being delayed. Once the good guys are doing better than us, it's time for us to go home. Yeah. Or maybe that's why I feel so unbalanced. Yeah. It's like, maybe I'm not the most successful podcaster in my house.

Don't even say that, Claudia.

I know. They did score a huge interview yesterday. Ben was telling me all about it. I forgot to tell you. Incredibly juicy.

Let's play guess who. But I know you won't ultimately tell me.

No, I think Ben might have posted who it was on his Instagram. Let me just triple check before I blow up their spot.

Man or woman?

Man.

Mustache?

I feel like it just depends on the day.

Okay. Tv or film?

No, I would say no mustache. Tv.

John Samos?

Oh, yeah.

Josh posted it.

Oh, okay. Yeah. He came with some piping hot tea.

Regarding whomst?

Again, I don't know if I can or should spoil it, but regarding one of his famous friends. Okay. He's going through something right now.

Something that we know about?

Yeah.

I would just have to wrap my brain of the full house.

He's peeling the curtain back.

Okay.

That's all I'll say.

Okay. That's a really good teaser. Free promo for the good guys.

Cool. Once again, how do we always get here? We're like, we're doing- Do they talk about us?

Never. We talk about them.

We're intent on destroying them while also lifting them up.

I know, but that's what it means to be a hater, though. You're actually a fan. Us and the good guys. The more we talk about them, the more shine we give them, the more air and oxygen, and they just thrive. That's like a hater.

Live for it. I understand my haters more than ever.

Thank you to my haters.

Today is Wednesday, which normally would mean a Busting Down, Dance With The Stars recap. But let me tell you another thing I'm hating about LA. We watch it late. It airs. They tape it at 05: 00 PM Pacific Time here. It airs for you at 08: 00, but then it airs for us three hours later. So no, thanks. At 08: 00? I found out... Yeah. So first of all, 08: 00 for me. I was literally asleep by 8: 15 last night.

I was wondering why you weren't live watching, but I guess even if you were ready to watch Dancing with the Stars when I was, you don't get it.

I couldn't. Unless what? I'm going to download a VPN. I don't know.

I guess you're going to have to go to a taping.

And then I got a spoiler that nobody got sent home. Spoiler alert. So I was like, Okay, I'm not staying up late to watch nobody go home. I'll watch the dances on TikTok.

Well, we're going to recap it in the fifth and final story. I'm going to let you know what you missed. It was a cluster fuck. I don't know if that makes me like, Scrooge, that I wasn't so emotionally affected. Oh, you weren't moved? There were some dances and some tributes that were really beautiful, but every time there were three people dancing on the screen, it felt weird.

Yeah, because dancing is very much a two-person thing.

Every single, there was all these different convos, like Elaine and Chesie and Allen. It was two girls and a guy, and it was fucking weird. Then there was Whitney and her husband and Mark. Fucking weird. Every way that you sized it.

I am loving everybody's emotional tributes. I watch to Jen Affleck. Everybody's made a montage for their TikTok. I was sobbing watching Jen Affleck talk about how she just needs her mom so much in the videos of her giving birth while her mom was giving her a hug. So cute. Whitney also making all these emo things for, what's his name? Connor. And Alex Earle and her little sister. Those are the three that I was deeply moved by.

The little sister was adorable and one of the better ways to do the tribute. Oh, I have to let you know what they did with Mr. Feaney.

Oh, they wheeled him onto the ballroom floor?

In a sense. But you'll have to wait till our fifth and final story. Okay, teacher. What did things Mr. Feaney did? You'll have to wait and see.

You're so Julianne Huff. Let's get your scores.

After the break. Let's get your scores, dancers.

I love your scores, dancers.

And your favorite girl, he was a guest judge.

Who?

Kim Herjavec.

Kim Herjavec. Very interesting. How do I feel? I haven't thought about Kim Herjavec in a while, so let me just recalibrate. Because the last time I heard Kim Herjavec, I wasn't obsessed with the fact that Robert Herjavec left his wife of 100 years to marry his dance partner. But now they have twins, and they had a baby, so I I have to move on, right?

Yeah, she was looking very beautiful and giving really nice commentary.

Okay. It was running me, is it a story about TJ and Amy getting engaged? We don't have to make it a story. But now that they're engaged, I think we all have to move on from how they got engaged.

The thing is, I don't know why it never really bothered me what they had done. I'm glad that they got engaged and they're thriving and like, good, keep going. That's what you have to do. You have no other choice. Exactly. But I can't remember what the circumstances that led me to not really feel so negative about their situation.

Because they had both got huge professional ramifications for something that happened in their personal life. I remember when we were talking about it, we were just like, Okay, well, it's terrible that they both cheat on their partners. But what does that have to do with GMA's third hour? Yeah.

And now GMA's got GMA's third hour.

It became this big news story. I was like, Okay, but again, these people being just ethically wrong How is that relevant here?

Yeah, I don't know.

I think that's why we ended up being soft on them.

For sure. I feel good about that. They're super happy and...

And now their partners are together.

My favorite trope.

The Shania Twain effect.

My favorite trope.

That's a good trope.

I love your trope, scorned lovers.

Yeah. Okay, so it's like enemies to lovers. What is this one called? Scorned.

Scorned lovers. I like it. Or wife swap.

Tessa Bailey, get on it. Did you see... Oh, by the way, are we talking about Wendy O'Safo today?

No.

Okay, because- What are we talking about? I don't know.

Honestly, the stories are really random.

Well, it's fine because I had said a couple of days ago, I was just waiting for a Bravo account to break it all down for me, and there have been several. I am fully caught up on what Wendy O'Safo did, and it's really bad and really stupid. I I feel like Wendy, she's a good housewife, but I think her thing is that she's smart. She has a lot of degrees. Her and her husband combined have six or seven degrees between them. She's always just... Some women stunt their wealth, their fashion. She stunts her education and her smartness.

Yeah, she's a doctor.

Right. She goes on TV. She just takes an intellectual high ground. For sure. For her to have been so stupid. Oh, and by the way, her husband's a fucking lawyer. Oh, my God. I could have committed a They left so much evidence in writing via email be like, Hey, when we put this fraud together, should we take this ring and have it? Like, literally, just they made it so easy for the police. They basically went on vacation and claimed that they were robbed. What was missing from the house was items they had returned to stores years ago, items that they actually still had in possession. Then Wendy would go out a week later wearing the items that she claimed were stolen and documenting it all on social media.

Seriously, the least effective- And on the show. She was wearing stuff on the show that she said was stolen.

Upwards of $400,000. That's what they claimed that insurance gave them. They had multiple claims out to different insurance companies, not saying that the other one filled the claim. It's insurance fraud, and it's really serious, actually. It's really bad. There's so much evidence.

I saw a clip of her on a podcast talking about the robbery. Kiddos. Kiddos, yeah. Was that a red flag for everyone? Because when I saw it, I haven't seen other people talk about that clip. The thing is, it's so unfortunate because I would never watch a clip like that at the time and be like, This person's lying. I don't want to ever be that person, that hear someone tell a really dramatic story and question their story. Be doubtful. But now watching it back- This clip is resurfacing of an interview she did on a Bravo podcast right after the robbery.

They're talking about housewives, and then the host is just like, And by the way, this robbery, are you okay? What happened? She was like, Yeah, we weren't there. We were on vacation with the kiddos. The way she said kiddos, it's like, you're lying. You're lying. Nobody thought it at the time. Now, it's an extremely sinister clip.

1,000%. The way she said kiddos when talking about the- With kiddos? Was so weird. It was weird. Weird. The whole thing was so weird. But now I could say it as like, Oh, I could see you're lying. I would have never fucking known. I would have never known. I would have been like, That is so sad. That is so upsetting. But you know what? I'm a believer, and I like that about me.

I agree. Don't change that about yourself. To become someone who just doubts and is cynical.

Especially with robberies, weirdly, there's always someone like, They're lying. I'm like, You're the The first person.

It's so true. That's why I feel like all roads do lead back to Jussie Smollet. Because nobody wanted to be the first person to be like, Is he lying? Because it was such a crazy thing. That's why I think when everybody I don't know who the first person to cast out was, but everybody after that was like, Yeah, you know what? I was thinking the same thing. I would never... Especially because Wendy was just like... She was just an outstanding citizen, right? That was her thing. Almost like morality police. But I feel like that's always how it is. It's like the person. It's like the Ellen.

Yeah.

Person preaching kindness is beating people up backstage.

No, that's really such a crazy story.

It isn't a crazy saga. It's not just a little blip. I do feel like they might go to jail.

It's not just $300.

No, it's upwards of $400,000 in items claiming that they were stolen and then getting insurance to reimburse for them. But they were not stolen. They were either hidden under her mattress or returned to Of course. Like, literally paper trail after paper trail. Not smart.

Not smart. From the doctor, Wendy O'Sappel. Right.

If you are, I don't want to rush you.

Yeah, now that we've done two stories. I feel good about getting into the fast five stories that you need to know.

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Our first story in no order of importance, but I actually wanted to talk about this for two reasons. One, Nicola and Brooklyn Pelts have grown apart from Selena Gomez, as they say, Relationships evolve. But I also want to talk about the Victoria documentary because I'm pretty sure you watched.

I did.

Let's talk about this, and then we'll talk about that, because reports of a feud between Selena and Nikola and Brooklyn Pelts Beckham are untrue, an insider tells people. They said there's no bad blood. Relationships evolve, and it's true they're not as close as they once were. But there wasn't any one thing that happened. The lie detector determined that that was a lie.

Yes, agreed. You don't go from having thruple vacations on yachts to not being invited to someone's wedding within a year. Honestly, the lie detector has also determined that Nicola and Brooklyn seem like the toxic ones because everyone around them is now beefing. But Koji, that's what I think, too, because I was going to say who's the problem here?

But Selena doesn't talk to her kidney donor.

Yeah, her own kidney donor. In this particular situation, it It's hard to know who's the toxic one.

Or maybe a bunch of toxic people got together.

But yeah, the kidney donor, if we could take that out for one second. Selena does have a lot of really long-term friends. You saw them in her documentary. She said the same people around her for for a really long time. I think we could say a lot about Lena, but I don't think I would say she's a bad friend and that she has fleeting friendships.

Okay, Demi.

Okay, but those were the Disney years.

I know. You could do that to anyone. People are close with someone one day and then not in another day. But this was very hot and fast. I definitely think that it is weird to at least... You don't always have to be so close. Sometimes you're with someone for a season. We're both in We're the same things. We're both traveling. We like to do the same. That might peter out naturally. Priorities change. But to not invite them to your wedding is weird. Red flag. I'm glad that someone's circling back on this because I feel like we had said, let's see if they go to her wedding, but we didn't follow up with it.

Yeah, well, here is us following up. They did not go, and it was a big wedding. Again, I think also a lot of times when celebrities get married, you can say it was a really intimate. No, it was a big affair, and they weren't there, and they hate each other. It does beg the question of now making me think they're the problem.

Brooklyn and Nicola.

I had thought that anyways, so this only confirms it. I did watch the Victoria documentary, and it sucks because I'm just comparing it to the David documentary, and I feel like they put their whole family story in the David documentary. So his was so much better, not because he has a more interesting life, but because their family life was documented. That was the most interesting part. I didn't give a shit about what happened to him in soccer. It It was him in the media, and him and Posh, and him having babies. And so their wedding with the purple dresses. I learned about all that from his documentary, and they didn't want to repeat themselves, so they didn't. And while the story of her fashion business was compelling, Yeah.

No, it wasn't in a fantastic documentary. I enjoyed myself watching it. I think she's really fascinating, and she's lovely to watch, and all these pop culture tidbits were really fun. But it left me with even more questions about Victoria. I understand they didn't want to talk about Madrid again, and the fair again, these big things that happened to her that we saw through David's documentary. But why didn't they talk about why the Spice Girls broke up?

Why did- Yeah, right.

Also, they didn't even say, Jerry left, and then we kept doing it. It wasn't a documentary about Victoria's life because they jumped over these huge moments. Even the fact that she has four children, and she was doing that when she was a pop star and a wag and in the public eye and having a fashion brand. They just through that. She was like, Oh, I was breastfeeding I'm seeing Harper and I did my collection. I was just like, I want to know more about everything that you're just glazing over. It really was just an advertisement for her brand, and it was a beautiful one at that.

Yes, it was an advertisement for the brand, but I think it was also trying to shift the narrative I don't know how the fashion space, especially in Europe, how they perceive her. But I don't think she gets taken seriously or as seriously as she wants to as an official house. I think the documentary's goal was to just prop her up in that industry and make everybody see her how she wants to be seen. Then I personally don't care. The fact that she has a brand is a fun fact about her. It's not the whole thing.

But to me today, her brand seems so legit and so serious. Before the documentary, I actually felt like the documentary was made for the commercial lay people like us to be like, Oh, Victoria has this 360 brand. She has beauty. She has perfume. Oh, I might want to buy a shirt. That's a nice thing. I felt like it was actually meant for the common people because she has what she wants in the fashion industry, which is immense respect. We were talking about how she was- Anna Wintour. Anna Wintour is in the documentary. Her name was thrown around, even if it was just by one person and me for editor-in-chief of Vogue. She has reached that level. Watching her journey and watching her start from being, I guess this the, quote, unquote, tacky wag to then refining her style. I didn't even know that that's how people felt about her at the time because I was 10. That was really interesting to watch what she's overcome, watching how she put David in millions of of debt. I had no idea about that either.

There were two moments of real honesty, and I really appreciated the transparency in her just say, even though it's their money, but yes, he was the one. Him talking about how when they met, she was the rich one. She was the one who bought that house for them, and she was the one who paid for the wedding, and she was the one who did everything because he was this little soccer star. Then, of course, things changed, and he's, I think they said $39 million in debt for her fashion brand. That was very honest, and I didn't expect them to be so open about the numbers. Then also, she was really honest about her phase with anorexia and how it was just the only thing she could control, and a stereotypical story of a woman in media and how she overcame that. I wasn't expecting her to address either of those things as head-on as she did. That was compelling. But overall, I think the documentary fell flat for me, even though I enjoyed it immensely, Eva Longoria's Slay.

Yeah. Then keep cutting back to this big fashion show in Paris. It's just really... That seems really stressful, right? Yeah. That you rented a on the outskirts of town, and all these big people are coming, and it won't stop raining, and the models and the mud. Stressful.

Kim, there's people that are dying.

You really couldn't go. It was just this whole big production. I I just don't... But that's just like, I'm not a fashion person. I don't get the significance. From my perch, I remember some of her more recent shows because she did start her business back up again, the one that Kim went to. Remember when Kim was super late? I'm like, Why do you have to it so hard? Why do you have to be in a castle outside in elements that you can't control in a venue that's never hosted a fashion show before? How much is this costing? I also appreciated how she was very honest about the fact that when she was running her business into debt, the expenses were insane because they didn't have to be. They didn't have to lose all that money.

Yeah, but it was just they couldn't stop. It was a snowball down the hill. Also, not Tom Ford being in the documentary. She really did have A plus. Not a Spice Girl, though. She didn't want to get into that.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I need to understand. Your whole life is theater. Then you get the Spice Girls. She talked about the Spice Girls only positively. Then we broke up and I had an identity. Why did you break up? I don't understand. I still don't understand. We were Spice Girls fans at the time.

Yeah, there were big holes in the documentary, and I just feel like she came into it with a clear goal. I think they saw a lot success from the David documentary. All their businesses just rising, their celebrity rising, everything. I think she wanted to target that for her business. As she should. But when they started talking about her beauty and then showing her Instagram stories of her being so real and honest about makeup, it was giving infomershal.

Yeah, it wasn't infomercial, which I will accept a degree of infomercial. When I watch Kardashian's, when I'm like, Everyone's got business. Do your business. But it needs to be balanced. Entertaining. I feel like... Some people don't have the other I think, the stuff with which to balance it. They are all their business, and everything else is either not interesting or just not happening for them. She has such an interesting life, and I just felt like they were keeping stuff from us. I don't know why.

Yeah, the best part was her making a TikTok with Harper.

What's funny is, of course, Nicola and Brooklyn were not in it. They were not addressed.

Yes, they were.

When?

At the show, she said, My kids are here, Brooklyn and Nicola. Then they cut to them, just standing and taking a photo.

They were at that Friends show?

Yes.

Oh, so I guess the beef hadn't even started by then.

Or they were just still like.

No, I think they were still good because I think everything went south with the 50th birthday party. Yes. But David at the end was talking about how he's going to be turning 50. So maybe things were still good. Got it.

Or they were just fine. Yeah. That's a mutually beneficial. Nicola to be front row at Paris Fashion Week is very good for her. For Victoria, having these two young hot things at her show, front row. It's a mutually beneficial event. I could see them both wanting to go.

But what I was going to say is, even if they were already beefing, it's not like I was looking for that from the documentary. You don't have to wear your dirty underwears. I don't need to see your dirty underwear.

Some things can be kept private.

But what Why did Spice Girls break up? And then what happened? That's the latest with the Beckhams. Our next story, a little TV news that I'm actually obsessed with. Tasha Adams and Tyler Cameron will judge HGTV's Bachelor mansion Renovation Show. That will be a competition show for renovating the Bachelor mansion. The competitors are former Bachelor participants, and it's hosted by Jessie Palmer. Oh. Yeah. The participants are out. This is called- Wait, so how is Tasha and Tyler involved? They're the judges.

They're the judges. Jessie is the host? Yes.

Got it. Then over six episodes, they will be joined by surprise guest judges to judge the contestant's renovation skills on the iconic reality TV site.

So the guest judges will be- But the contestants are- Yes.

And we'll get into the- former. Okay. We'll get into the contestants from all the shows, Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, Golden Bachelor, and Golden Bachelorette. Okay. And the guest judges will also be from those shows while they renovate the Bachelor mansion. I don't know how 12 people get a chance to renovate one place.

Maybe there's challenges on different corners of the house. I don't know.

It's going to make for a really messy, disjointed house.

But also, the lore of the Bachelor mansion is that it's always been owned by someone. There's a family who owns it and makes lots of money. They just rent it out. But now with the renovations, I feel like the network had to have bought it. How do you renovate a house that you're renting?

I don't know. I hope at this point that they bought it, but- They've just bought it, right. They said that when they found out that the property needed a renovation, that they just had to bring it to HGTV and Bachelor Nation.

Well, we have been really hard on the Bachelor franchise because in terms of reality TV, they were the biggest and the baddest, and they've so fallen behind all the streamers, and they're so irrelevant in the real mix of reality TV. But it does feel like somebody got poached from Netflix or Hulu and now works at ABC, and they're actually stepping their pussy up. Taylor, Frankie, Paul, the Golden Bachelor franchises have been really good. Now, this is the exact type of shit we need. It's giving perfect sex on the beach couple, whatever it's called.

Yeah, alumni show.

Melding pot. Yes, exactly.

But in a way that works. It's also airing on HGTV, so it's perfect. Here are the participants, and I don't know why it's these participants and if they have any construction or design background.

I would hope so.

Dean Bell. We all know Dean. Deany Babies.

He definitely doesn't do construction. He lives in a van.

Yeah. He doesn't even have a home, let alone fix a home.

You can't build a home if you don't have one.

I do think by now him and Kaitlyn I'm not going to have a home. She was at dancing with the stars last night.

Was she?

For who? I don't know. Nick Vial was there, and Natalie was there, and Kaylyn. They were all in the front row.

I do think it used to be you would come as a friend of a contest, but now it's a red It's like a carpet, like a fair.

Yeah, it's just a fun thing to do. But also Dylan was just on Vile files. I think maybe him and his friends.

Oh, yes. Yes, that's also true.

Jill Chen is the next contest in Bachelor Season 26, and I think she's after my time.

Okay, I just want to say producer in my ear, letting me know. Dean does do construction. He renovates his own house and everything.

Okay. Does Jill Chen do production?

I'm not sure, but I think it's safe to assume that all the participants do.

Okay. Noah Herb. He was bachelor at season 16. I forget who that is. They need to do the lead's name. But he was with Abigail.

He was the lead?

No. No.

Yeah, he won. I mean, sorry. He's married to Abigail.

Abigail. Yeah, that's how I know him from Paradise.

They're really cute. She comes up on my TikTok a lot. Yeah.

Alicia Gupta, The Bachelor Season 29.

That's so after my time.

After my time. Tammy Lee, The Bachelor Season 24. I forget who The Bachelor was, but I remember Tammy, and she was on Bachelor in Paradise. She was starting stuff. I remember her. She's a stuff starter for sure. Sandra Mason, Golden Bachelor Season 1.

Okay, Sandra, get in there.

Sam McKinney, Bachelorette Season 21, Passed Our Time.

Yeah.

Brenda Moray, Bachelorette Season 16, Yeah, I know this face. He's from our time. Courtney Robertson from Bachelor Season 16. She won her season. You know Courtney. She was the most... She was the villain of her season, and she won. Who was the man? He looks like Josh Groban. I can't remember his name. They're not together anymore.

Of course, Courtney Robertson.

Who was the man?

Yeah, this guy. He does look like Ben Flagenick. He does look Josh Groban. That's an amazing call.

Does she wear construction?

Or interior design, she must.

This is her first coming back to the franchise since Ben Flagenick's season.

Well, these bitches don't know what it was like. Everybody thinks reality TV now, not to be such a grandma, but there was a time, Ben Flagenick. That's all I'll say. Yeah.

Oh, our favorite contest that we've never watched Jeremy Simon. Jeremy. Jeremy Simon, if you don't remember him, he was on Gen Season, and he shared with her that his great great grandfather was the chief rabbi of- Lithuania. Lithuania before the Holocaust, and it's very significant to him.

We're pretty sure we're related to Jeremy Simon because we also had a family member deep down the lineage who was a big rabbi there as well.

We are definitely related to him, but far enough removed that we could still set him up with Saatchi.

With Margot, a thousand %.

Honestly, this show looks so good. Then Christopher Stalworth, who's from Golden Bachelorette Season 1. I feel like anyone who's from Golden Bachelorette could win this because they'll have just so much experience.

Yeah. Honestly, I think that this is brilliant. I also love them tapping Tyler C.

And Joan from Golden Bachelorette. I think people know her. I think she looks familiar to me.

I think she won. I know Joan. Okay, she's the last one. I think Joan was the scorned woman. Teresa.

I think.

Yeah, I think it was like, Teresa and Joan.

Was Joan the Golden Bachelorette?

She might have been. I don't know.

Yes, she was.

Well, all is that to say, good job. Speaking of jobs, are we going to talk about Apple TV, Apple TV Plus?

No.

You know they're dropping the plus.

I heard.

Rebrand over at Apple TV Plus. The plus is no more.

I just can't believe people are seeing this stuff and they're like, Oh, we should... And seeing the reactions to it, like dropping max. And they're like, Oh, we should do something like that. That's a good idea. I don't know.

It's like an attention whore type of thing. They saw how much attention HBO got for dropping the... Putting dropping and then putting back in the HBO. And yes, while everybody was clowning on them, making fun of them, they were talking about them. So maybe Apple TV was like, I want people to talk about us, too. Let's do something just as stupid. Let's drop the plus.

The plus never fucking made sense.

The plus never made sense, but it never made It makes sense without the plus either, because Apple TV is also something you can physically purchase without having a subscription. Do you know what I mean?

But everyone calls it Apple TV. It's on Apple.

It should just be called Apple. I actually can't. And then Apple TV is the thing you buy to plug into your TV when you want to watch Netflix.

Yeah.

Because when you say Apple TV, I'm thinking of the little black box with the HDMI cord.

Yeah, but if I'm like, The Bucaneers is on Apple TV, I would never hit the plus.

No, you would never hit the plus, but I would never even hit the TV. Ted Lasso is on Apple.

The thing is, we don't talk about their show. We as a society- It's a non-issue. We as a society, no one's really talking about their shows and where you can stream them.

To be clear, we all interact with Apple TV Plus in the same way. There's one show that gets popular. You buy it, you watch it, and then you cancel, Ted Lasso. Friends and Lovers, Enemies, High Places. What's that show called?

Good Neighbors and Friends. Love That Neighbor.

Your Friends and Naders. Everybody was talking about it. I bought Apple TV Plus, canceled it when it was over. That's just what it is.

I leave my subscriptions going, but you're better than me.

Because you're financially reckless.

No, I hate that feeling of, What's my password? I need to make a login. I just want ease. Because I'm a cord cutter, I cut my cord for this reason so that I can have my pick. So you could be free. So I'm a pick of the litter.

But I don't know if you can call yourself a cord cutter if you still have a YouTube TV, honestly. Youtube TV is cable.

Well, that's why I'm not hurting as a cord cutter, but I am a cord cutter.

No. People who are cord cutters live with streaming services, and when there's something on cable, they watch it on Hulu the next day, like dancing with the stars.

No, just YouTube TV.

You're not living the life of a cord cutter.

I'm just letting you know. Youtube TV had circumvented cord cutting so that we're not feeling pain, but that's what it was meant for.

You're cord cutting asterisk.

I guess, but no, I don't have traditional cable. I don't have a cable bill. I cut You don't have a cable box.

You don't have a cord into the cable wall, but you watch cable, just saying.

But I'm not a cable cutter. I'm a cord cutter.

Sure. Cord cutting implies cable cutting as well. I'm just saying.

Well, we do have some other streaming news that I felt was very pertinent to some of our favorite topics here at the show.

Is it podcast going to be on Netflix?

Yeah, I love that. Netflix will stream a selection of Spotify Spotify video podcasts starting in 2026. No, we are not one of them. We're not.

We could be. Not yet. We could be. Because as you guys know, we are an official Spotify podcast. If you wanted to watch us on Spotify, you could.

Which just coincidentally happened. Now, Netflix is like, Oh, Spotify video podcast. We'll take you.

I love this. I just want to say...

Okay, sorry, you go. Here are the details for people who hadn't already heard this amazing podcasting news. Netflix is officially diving into the podcast biz. The video streaming giant inked a deal with Spotify to bring a batch of top original podcasts. They're also the originals. We're not a Spotify original podcast.

No, we're not.

Maybe that's the second wave.

Yeah, right. We'll get there. Don't rush, Jackie. Don't rush our life away. Right.

Let them be the pilots experiment. Yeah, right.

The guinea pig.

Like, They say that it failed because of them. Not because of us. Right.

Not us.

We'll come in when things are- They can't blame us.

Jackie, they can't blame us if it flops.

Including a podcast from Bill Simmons as the Ringer to subscribers worldwide. The companies do not disclose terms of the pact, including how long the deals run. But the partners Leadership will bring sports, culture, lifestyle, and true crime podcasts from Spotify Studios and The Ringer that complement Netflix's existing programming and unlocks new audiences and wider distribution for the shows. So you'll be able to watch these batch of shows on Netflix.

Obviously, not to center ourselves and make everything about us, but it does make the potential of us being on a major streaming service one day, a reality. We don't sound crazy. So for that, I'm excited. I'm excited for my fellow podcasters, excited for everybody who's going to get visibility on a huge streaming service. And this is just exciting. And this is a huge win for us independent journalists.

Independent media. We are an independent media company. Not to get ahead of myself because we're not on this program yet. But if we were to be on this program, that would mean the frames would be on Netflix. After everything we've been through- It's just a testament to the haters being their motivators. Yeah. They started from the bottom. Now, we're not on Netflix, but we could be, and we might be. No one has approached us about being on Netflix, by the way. But this just feels like this is where the industry is going. So maybe it'll be something else. I love your FlixNet, but- Yeah, but I'm obviously open to being able to stream on Hulu. I'm open to being the official- Apple TV, drop the plus. I love your rebrand.

Yes, Max, of course, we would love to have you.

Yeah.

I'd even take Peacock, Discovery+, whatever.

Hulu.

Yeah, I said that already.

Rising Tides, raise all shives. This It's great for everyone. You know what? Even if it never happened to us, I'm happy for my friends in podcasting because I'm just really passionate about the space.

Now, not to be a hater, but did you look at the list of podcasts in City or Sol who? Of course, I've heard of Bill Simmons and his Ringer Network. I've never seen a clip or listened to a minute of it, but I know it's popular, and so I'm happy for his fans. Like the other ones, I was like, Who are these people?

It's a lot of sports, and I couldn't say. If I haven't heard of them, that doesn't mean anything. Read them to me. Bill Simmons The Zack Lo Show, The McShay Show, Fairway Rollin, The Mismatch, The Ringer F1 Show, The Ringer fantasy football show, The Ringer NFL show, The Ringer NBA show. Then Culture and Lifestyle, The Rewatchables, The Big Picture, The Dave Chang show, The Recipe Club, Dissect, and True Crime is Conspiracy Theories and Serial Killers. I don't know how many of those, but I do think almost 100% are The Ringer shows. I think it's really like a pilot program with The Ringer because Spotify owns The Ringer.

Got it. Okay, well, I love that because The Ringer shows, while I've, again, never heard or seen them. They are really popular amongst people whom I don't know. I want the pilot to be successful.

Ringer fans, stream Ringer on Netflix.

I think a lot of people finagle their podcast and get them on TV. They're airplaying. They go to the YouTube app. This is just a more streamlined way of what people are already doing.

For the cord cutters.

For the cord cutting community.

Another win for the cord cutting community. More content for us.

A thousand %.

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Terto. Our fourth story is some really surprising news for Van der Pol rules fans, which is that Lala Ken and Sheena Shay are no longer speaking, and their friendship has reached a point of no return. Lala and Sheena's relationship will likely never be the same. During a recent interview with Page 6, Lala was eager to talk about her return to reality TV. Yes, she is doing The Valley full-time.

Sheena is not. Sheena actually had the producer of the show on her podcast to... Because everybody would have said Sheena's not on The Valley because they didn't want her. But she was offered a role, and she declined it and had Alex Baskin on her podcast to validate that that was true because no one would have believed it otherwise.

Did she say why?

She did. She said she read a comment. I actually thought this was really profound. And shout out to the person on TikTok who recap the whole interview for me because I did not watch it. His name is Josh. She read a comment about herself that really shifted her perspective. They were like, Sheena is the senior who graduates high school and comes back knocking on the door as being like, I used to go here. And she did not want to be that. And she said that really affected her. And then she also saw how Paige left Summerhouse and actually called Paige for advice. And really, all of that empowered her to make this big decision.

Wow.

Yeah, I thought that was really interesting.

That is interesting. I'll have to watch the next season of The Valley and see how it goes. But it's not like she's trying to go back to high school and be on Bannerpump rules. The Valley is college. I agree. I actually feel like she's being a little hard on herself.

Me too. I think The Valley could have used a person like Sheena. She was literally this ethereal figure on it anyways. We're always talking about her. Sheena told me this room where she was literally starting drama on a show she wasn't on.

She's actually friends with everyone. Her absence is glaring. It's not like she's forcing herself. Because they're like, Who told you this big room? Or who told you? Sheena always. It's not like she's forcing herself into a cast or a position where she doesn't fit or she's not friends with these people. When they tried to do Van der Pump younger and she's hooking up with Max or whatever, Brett. That was the senior going back to high school. I'm sure there were other things factored into her decision, but I actually hope it wasn't just that comment because I don't think that's an accurate take on the situation.

Me neither. I think the phase of life that she's in, it's perfect for the ballet.

Right. Yes, she talked about her... Lala is talking about her return to reality TV life with two kids in the rebrand of her podcast, but she refused to speak about Sheena. She said, I think I've said everything I need to say on that situation. She was asked whether there is a path forward with Sheena. They were shot down once again. She said, I'm not even going to discuss her at all. So according to Lala, Sheena is upset that Lala didn't promote Sheena's memoir in the way that she wanted to. Yes. I saw that.

Sheena had sent everybody copies of the book, and Lala She did post about it, but very just tagging Sheena. Not emphatically. Not like, I'm so proud of my friend. I think that when Lala's book had come out, Sheena had done the opposite. Sheena was disappointed at the lack energy for her memoir.

Yeah, I would say that is probably- She did it.

Oh, sorry. She also did it after the presale window. When you're writing a book, you announced the book three months before, and then up until the first week that the book is out, all of those numbers count towards presale if you want to make the New York Times bestsellers list. I think Lala posted about it after that window. Lala wrote a book. I think it was a bestseller. She knows that the important six days when the book is out. She just stalled and waited. I think Sheena thought it was maybe intentional.

I I think that it probably was intentional, and it was a symptom of an already deteriorating friendship. Not the thing that like, oh, Lala just didn't get around to it, and that bothered Sheena. I think their friendship was on the rocks. According to Sheena, the issue is that after confiding in Lala about her husband's past affair, Lala then repeated it to someone in their circle. So that could have been what started the issues. Then they're having issues. Then you want me to promote your book. I'll do it a little lacklustry because we're not the best of friends right now. So I actually think both stories are true. It's just a matter of when the beef started.

Yeah, well, that's actually a crazy thing for Lala to have done, if true. You know what? I would love to see this play out on a reality show because this is actually interesting stuff. Not these two being on TV for the last three years, giving us nothing.

But also this is really crazy because they were living their lives like sister wives the last few years. They both have daughters the same age to our best friends. Lala had said that she felt like Brock was... They were in a thruple, that Brock felt like a father to her daughters. They were so close. They just bought houses both in the valley. They have both houses in Palm They were doing everything together. This isn't just a friendship that petered out any other celebrity or reality TV friendship. They had melded their lives together. It's so crazy that that could be so rocky.

It's crazy that they got to this place while not being on TV because I think TV really is so toxic, and it destroys relationships like that. When you get out of it, you're finally free. For the relationship to have thrived in such a toxic environment and then deteriorated once they're both free, that's weird.

I wonder if anything of it has to do with Lala on the Valley. If she said anything on the show. She also said that she's having a lot of anxiety about being on the Valley, even when she films. She gets really worried afterwards because she can't shut up. She gets really worried about fan reactions afterwards. Ever since Skandival, she's not care.

Where she became the villain of Skandival, which is crazy.

Yeah, and that just has really affected her and given her anxiety. But I also think that's just growing up, you just start to... Care more. Yeah, but it It can't affect your ability to do your job. But I'm excited to see her on the Valley. I was promised her on the Valley this season, and I didn't get that. Then did you see that she posted with Tom Schwartz?

I did.

Soft launch.

I did.

I don't want to read too much into it because I don't want to get my hopes up.

No, and I think they know the lore.

I think they're slowly falling in love.

Document it. Seriously, camera's up.

That's how the story ends. I'm obsessed.

Even though Lala needs and deserves so much more than him. He is awful. I feel like we don't even think about it anymore because in the divorce, Katie was also a villain. She wasn't a sympathetic person. But oh, my God, he was the worst fucking husband to her on the planet.

I agree.

Lala demands she has two kids. She just needs more.

She needs a man. However, I think the best of Schwartz, take away the worst of him, which was like, We saw it all, and I agree with you, and he sucks, and he was a bad husband. But when he's at his best, that could actually be the soft landing place for Lala.

Sure. Very idealistic of you. Sure.

Just saying. I'll never give up. But I'm not walking down this path because I do feel so delusional, but they're playing into my delusions.

It's not right. Maybe while they're playing, they'll see that.

They're falling. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? So much TV news today. We're just a bunch of TV addicts.

I told you, we are in our cable era, even though we cut the cord.

Well, last night, dancing with the stars, dedication night, ended with a new couple on top and no elimination.

Wait, who was on top? Not Whitney and- Not Whitney and Mark.

It was Dylan and Daniela. They did dance really nicely. I never really pay attention the scores. Then at the end, I'm like, Wait, that person did the highest. It's surprising that they got the best scores. But everyone did, I forgot what the name of it was, freestyle. It was very lyrical, barefoot, jumping, leaping.

So Dance Moms.

It was very beautiful. That's a nice style of dance, and I feel like it's not easy to Excel in it, but comfortable for people, and it looks really beautiful. So they looked really great. They danced to Rewrite the Stars from Greatest Showman, and he dedicated it to his little sister. She's five. The way that he was describing her and their relationship was actually adorable. I was like, Fine, it's okay if Zack's not here. They did mention Zack and how Zack has always... What did they say? That Zack has always been there for him. He's just the best brother, and that's what Dylan wants to be to Olivia, the little sister. I'm so suspicious. I am so suspicious. No. And they dance to Rewrite the Stars. It was okay.

No, I'm telling you, Zack is like, hating how famous Dylan is.

Zack should have been in the audience because everyone was in the audience. Obviously. Everyone who was remotely connected to a dance was in the audience.

I just want to say, now that Chris Jenner has sat in the audience at Dancing with the Stars, nobody else has any excuse. Maybe at one time it would have been considered low-brow, reality TV, I do film. No, now Chris went. Anyone can go. Alec Baldwin was there, please.

Yeah. We'll go in order of the dances. First was Andy and Emma. I actually missed their dance. I didn't tune in on time, so I don't know how it went, but they got a 24 out of 40, which is really low.

Forty? Oh, because there was four judges.

I I haven't seen anything about their dance anywhere. I feel like it was finally his flop night, and he would have gone home, but there was no elimination. At the end, they were like, Everyone's staying. We're not going to send anyone home on such an emotional night.

I guess that we would be sitting here if they sent someone home who dedicated it to their grandmother. We would have been like, That's crazy. I actually agree, even though, what a waste of my time. I'm here to see who wins, and nobody goes home. But if they did, we would have said it was really crazy. I understand why they didn't. For sure. But I'm Andy's number one fan, and I feel as though it's his time.

Yeah, his time has come, and I think that's fine. Now he'll get one more dance, and then it's time for him to go home. It's the big dogs now. Plus, there's still so many people there. Then Robert Irwin and Whitney Carson danced in dedication to Robert's mom, who was like, after his dad passed away, was a single mom. I think that was the most moving tribute of the evening for everyone. They got a 35 out of 40. The He danced really well.

When I'm watching the dance- I loved how they incorporated her.

Yeah.

Oh, that was- Because I agree with what you're saying. There's a weirdness when you throw a third person and it looks unnatural. I watched their dance, and I thought it was perfectly done.

Yeah. It was the first one I saw the night. It's like the camera went to him and then Whitney swapped out for the mother, and it was perfect. It wasn't three people doing a thruple dance.

No, no weirdness. Then when Bindy was on, she had dedicated it to the dad, so now they've covered all the parents. It was very beautiful.

It was very beautiful. I I think it was the best use of dedication night and execution. When I'm watching him dance, I have to try not to watch Whitney because then it's all times for me. But then I'm like, Well, that's not fair. Also, I want my joy, so I go back to watching both of them. But I do struggle with that when I'm trying to evaluate dances. Elaine Hendrix and Alan Burstin, she danced for Chesa and talked about their friendship since parent trap, and she doesn't have any siblings, and her mom passed away, and Chesa has just been family to her. Dennis Quaid was in the audience.

I saw.

This was a dance where three people dancing made me feel weird.

I'm going to look past that because the fact that these two are such good friends, real friends, I find so shocking and I find so sweet and I really love. Then just hearing the background about how it's like she's been there for her when nobody else was, I love it. I'm sorry. I also feel like- I won't say anything bad.

I also feel like they couldn't send anyone home based on the dancing because it's not fair to judge when there's a third person in there. It's like that third person is slowing down the dance moves. They obviously don't have the training. We're not judging the third person's dancing, but if they didn't do so good, then the dance looked bad. It was just not actually productive for competition, but okay, it was sweet. Then we had Whitney Lyaivet and Mark Ballas. They danced with Whitney's husband. This was a weird one to watch. Whitney and Mark got 33 out of 40. They were not at the top of the pack. She danced really well. They were out of sync. She was going faster than him. Yeah, I noticed it, and then they said it, too. She always looks amazing. Of course, her dance is better than anyone who probably got a better score than her. But if she's being judged against herself, especially after last week, it wasn't the best dance. It was all over the place.

I just am happy that her and her husband are having this moment because that first season of Sex, Lives of Norman Wives was really a lot about them and his Tinder, whatever. If it was Tinder. Yeah, right. The fact that they're tying it up in a bow, and I really do think that they have a good marriage despite all the drama. I think he's really shown up and supported her so much. I think he takes care of the kids 100% of the time.

He does. She said he quit his job. He moved across the country. He's with the kids all the time. I think they're really a beautiful testament to working seriously hard issues and coming through the other side. He was so honored that she chose to dedicate it to him. All sweet. I really... I ship. I love them. And then Mark- Yeah.

No, they needed this.

The theme for their dance was Mark was Fame coming between them. It It did just look like another man coming.

Of course. And three people dancing.

Then Jen Affleck and Jan Rovnik. Their scores make no sense to me. They got 29 out of 40. I thought it was beautiful. They danced for Jen's mom. It was emotional. She danced beautifully. She's being scored harder than anyone else when once again, all I'm asking is for is the same, first of all. The same handicap that you would put on Andy Richter. Put on the postpartum I'm also asking for a postpartum handicap. I want her to have any bad scores, but I would settle for just fair. Why is she always getting bad scores? She's not a bad dancer, and last time it was beautiful. 29, are you crazy?

No, her video really made me cry.

Crazy. Dylan and Dinella, 36 out of 40, we discussed. Jordan Childs, Dance for Her Dad, she got 32 out of 40. It was really cute.

I saw it. He was standing watching.

He'd stand and watch. It was really great. There's not much to say.

She's a real contender. Yeah.

But she wasn't contending last night because we were telling a story about fatherhood.

Right. Last night was just a neutral episode for everyone.

Yeah. Then Scott Hoying and Riley, they got 30 out of 40. He danced for his husband. They announced that they're expecting a baby.

I saw that on TikTok.

The dance, I don't remember.

Being compelling.

Exactly. Danielle Fishel Pasha, they danced for Mr. Feene. They got 29 out of 40. They did the jive for Mr. Feene.

Oh, okay.

I love to do the jive for Mr. Feene. I really do. They had set up a fake principal's desk.

Desk Okay, that's what I saw on Twitter.

They had him there. They started the dance there with him just standing there, and then they ended the dance there, too, with him there. They did dance around him a little bit, like I said. Okay.

Well, that's cute, by the way. That's hard. By the way, for everybody having to incorporate a third person. Having to incorporate a third person with limited mobility is actually much harder.

It wound up being better because I don't want to watch three people dancing as I've previously discussed.

No, I love Danielle Fischal. I'm so in my Topega era.

That is so funny. You're 20 years too late.

I'm 20 years late, yeah. But again, I never watched a show growing up, and I was like, Wow, she is really pretty.

They were showing clips from Boy Meets World. She talked about the impact that he had on her. I think she said he saved her life. Even in the show in the last scene where, I guess, she's graduating from high school and she says goodbye to Mr. Feene, and they're crying. She's like, We only had to do one take. That was the one because it was all very real.

Oh, that's really cute.

Yeah, it was cute. Shout out Mr. Feene. Really cute. Shout out. Then last was Alex, Earl, and Val. They dance for Alex's Little Sis, You told us the Beautiful Story. And she shared that, yeah. She shared that how the sister healed her family and showed her what it means to be family and what family can look like. It was adorable. The sister was so cute. She was so excited to be there. I thought that the The dynamic of the three of them was one of the better ways three people dancing could work. But it was also very big cis, little cis. She was carrying her on. It was so ethereal. The girls were barefoot in their little fairy dresses. What was her score? 35 out of 40.

Good. What was the highest score?

Dylan and Daniella with 36. Okay, go Alex. Then Robert Erwin and Alex tied for a second. That feels right.

I know I feel like I bring it up all the time, but Alex Earle's family dynamic will never not be the craziest thing to me.

In the audience was her dad, her stepmom, and her mom sitting next to each other.

Shout out to that mom, okay? Shout out, Mrs. I don't know your name.

I don't know. Ney Earle.

Seriously, queen. So fucking mature, and she's so gorgeous. I don't know if she's married or anything. Get that girl. Where's Brad Pitt? That's who he should be with.

Her Golden Bachelorette.

No, she's too good for that. She's independently wealthy. She doesn't need.

Well, I feel like How many people go on that show?

For sure, but she doesn't need it.

I think that would actually be such a slay.

I feel like she has inner peace.

That would be such a slay.

Yeah, but she shouldn't have to go on the Golden Bachelor to be the Golden Bachelorette.

No. Oh, I agree. No, Taylor Frankie Poeh- She shouldn't have to I love it. Right to the top.

Yeah. Give it the Matt James effect.

Yeah. No, that is what I'm saying. No, she should not be a contest on the Golden Bachelorette.

I love that.

It's a Disney, Hulu, ABC family.

Family. Yeah. Well, thanks for the recap. I'll be back. I'll really try, but I'm still adjusting to LA time.

It was a good night to miss because no one went home.

Totally. If somebody has a hack, a VPN or something, let me know. Or you just have to go. But also I'm trying to go to the taping.

Go to the taping. Next week is Wicked Week, which I'm excited about. I know. That's a good theme. I wonder if they're going to send two people home to make up for this week. I feel like they should.

Write like a Glinda and an Alphaba.

Yeah, or just two people because we need to get this show on the road. There's a million participants, and we're halfway through the season.

Yeah, no, it's time. But you also have to remember that they stop eliminating. The final episode is four people. Right. If there's 10 people left, there's technically only six episodes left.

Okay, fair. But still, show on the road.

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Emy to that person.

That song is really good. They should dance to that for the finale.

They should. They had all their troops going last night. Julianne danced.

Oh, go Julianne. One thing about Julianne, she's going to dance.

I missed the opening number, which has come to be my favorite part because I love dancing. All right, you guys, that's our show.

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