Transcript of I Protect The Family: Tuesday, October 21st, 2025

Good morning, girlies. It's The Toast.

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your hosts.

It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's The Toast.

They sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Tuesday. Big day for the DTQ, for me, and I guess for you, too.

Why for you?

So many things.

I'm looking at your sweater. Is it a sign of anything? No.

No, I don't have my period. I saw Ramona Singer on the way to work this morning.

I saw that you saw Ramona Singer on the way to work this morning. Are you guys in a place where you say hello?

You know what?

Because we're friends.

Of course we are. We do text. The thing about Ramona Singer, she's like, your best friend's mom.

She's not going to remember you.

Right. She's your best friend's mom who you've met a thousand... Actually, your best friend's dad. You've met her a thousand times, she will never remember you. I could go over. She looked to be in a rush, and I was just enjoying the New York moment. I didn't need to make it more than it was. I was also in a hurry. If I went over and been like, Yeah, we just texted about the toast and I'm friends with Avery. If Avery was with her, I would have said hi because Avery is the young daughter that remembers. But I just wasn't in the mood to have to explain myself.

Do you know what I mean? I understand.

No, but I literally texted with Ramona not two months ago, and she wanted to come on the toast, but we couldn't make it work while I was on maternity leave.

Yeah, she was going to come on and co-host with me, and our schedule just didn't align between New York and Florida. Rats. Rats, McGee. Rats, McGee. We're all best friends.

We're all best friends who don't say hi to each other in the street, which is so real.

Which is what real friends do.

Correct. Now, it's also a big day for me because today Ruby is five months old, which I'm obviously good, happy for him. What that signals to me, and every time somebody asks, How old is your baby? I think, Oh, how long have I been breastfeeding? Not me making it to five months. Good for me. Pat myself on the back. Things I did, that.

No, and making it to five months easily.

Yeah, slaying my way to the fifth month mark.

Just picking my head up in it's been five months. Not even like you've been trudging towards it. I got to hit this milestone. It's petering out. No. Yeah, the thing she's doing, breastfeeding for five months. Didn't even realize.

Just for anyone wondering an update where I'm at, I'm at this crossroads. Let me explain. There are two paths diverging in a yellow wood.

Between Ozempic and breastfeeding.

I will take one of these paths. I would like to make it to six months. One more month, I can do it. For sure. At the six month mark, I am either going to stop and be the skiniest, most toxic bitch you've ever met in your life. Like, literally, going to Dr. Geesey to get my Ozempic, my filler, and my Botox all in one day. Then I'm getting a steroid shot in my coxedinia in my tailbone, finally. Then I'm also getting my thumb fixed. I don't know what's wrong with my thumb, but there's something wrong. I'm doing it all in one day. I'm going to be the most annoying person you've ever met in your entire fucking life. Or I'm going to see this thing all the way through and my baby's never going to have formula.

You're going to get the best fit for the year.

Yeah, I'm going to take it all the way. Now, I'm not unhappy doing that, but I am unhappy at my current body. What We'll see. We'll see. Sound off in the comments. Which one should I do?

I mean, every woman has to make that decision, like get into the best shape of my life, continue breastfeeding, and then also get pregnant.

Right, right. Again, And so, you know what? I'm going to leave most things up to the comments, like I usually do.

You know what? You never know. Something might have... It might naturally present itself with the answer. I remember with Charlie, I wanted to breastfeed for six months, and then I wanted to snatch back to reality. And he started biting me anyway. And so I was like, And so for that reason, I'm out.

Let me tell you something. I'm starting to get bit. Oh, no. It's really not cool. And You can't yell at a baby, but it's like, Stop.

No, and you can't get them to understand to stop.

Right. There's no punishment. I just either need to put up or shut up.

Oh, no. That's like that trend. Oh, no, I'm getting bit. Oh, no. My baby's biting me. I can't breastfeed anymore. I have to take Ozempic. You should do that one.

Write it down.

That's a good one. I think women everywhere relate.

We're such relatable women.

I mean, I think that we are. I think that's part of our charm.

That was unpersuad. We're quite charming. That's why it's a big day for me. That's why it's a big day for me. And of course, in lieu of gifts, please send donations to both me personally and the Mark John Redder Holocaust Education Foundation. Will do.

I Bye.

Thanks. How are you? Why is today a big day for you? For any reason?

No. Just another day that I got up.

Huge, by the way.

Got dressed, did my makeup, getting harder harder and harder. I can't even describe it. I know one day I will forget what I'm experiencing right now. I never experienced it in other pregnancies where I can't move. I'm just in so much pain in my other regions, in my undercarriage.

I think you need a little bit of pelvic floor physical therapy.

I probably do, but I can't make it there now. I'm not even driving myself anymore. I'm not driving alone anymore just because there's just too much pain. Too much, I agree. And so I can't focus on the road, unfortunately. You look gorgeous. Thank you. So, yeah, just getting myself dressed, putting my legs through my pants is extremely hard.

Listen, I get it. I think putting legs through pants, not pregnant, is a hard thing to do anyway. So I can imagine what it's like for you.

I'm feeling super grateful for the bench at the end of my bed. It was meant to be a dressing bench and for putting on shoes and for putting on pants, and now is living life as intended. Love that. Yeah. So that's the major milestone today, is I put on pants.

It's also a big day for the DTQ. We have dear tosters. They're hilarious. I was giggling while choosing them. So it's a great day for everyone. It's also just a great day to be a toaster.

Yeah. I think every day that we do our show, and even days that we don't do our show, because if you are a toaster, then you're the elk of a toaster and you're having a great day because You're a fabulous girl.

So funny. Jackie and I were talking yesterday. There's somebody I know who's dealing with something, and I really want to recommend to them to start listening to The Toast, which just sounds so obnoxious because, Oh, you're sad listening Listen to my podcast. But people tell us all the time that when they were going through a hard thing or they were dealing with grief, that they listened to the podcast. It was a great hour a day to lift their spirits and take their mind off of things. I wanted to recommend it, but how do you recommend your own a podcast without sounding like an animal? You don't. Okay, damn. You don't.

But I do think that- And I was doing it completely selflessly. I understand. It's not even just because we're hysterical and fabulous. It's about the- Community. Habitual nature of it. Every day that there's something an hour a day to take your mind off. I think it just helps people put one foot in front of the other and just to have some routine that they can come to rely on. In the sisterhood, of course, there's always sisterhood, and we would never I would say, Screw sisterhood.

We would never screw sisterhood.

But I do think if she is in a swirly orbit, we will find our way to each other.

Yeah. I think maybe it's on someone else to recommend it to her, not me.

That's exactly what it is.

But I just know it would help. I do.

You can't do anything about it. You write her an anonymous letter.

This isn't a relatable problem. No. But okay, I thought maybe we We could come up with a solution. But you're right. There's no good way to recommend your own podcast, even when you mean it so earnestly.

Yeah, there's no good way.

All right. Control Z.

How's New York treating you, speaking of?

It's such a gorgeous day. It's like I stepped outside and I was like, it's that crisp weather that makes me just miss my vape. I just want to cuddle up on the couch with my vape.

Yeah. And your breast pump.

Yeah, right. Me and my... And you know what? Because I've been I'm thinking, somebody had asked me this, are you going to vape again when you can? You're not going to be breastfeeding, you're not going to be pregnant. Are you going to vape? I think for a while I thought that I would. But you know what? It's literally a miracle that I quit. If I go back, it will be a lifelong thing. I will be on and off my whole life. I need to never touch it again.

Yeah. There's no point.

I just loved that era. There's no point. I just loved that era You can always have that era. I also didn't like it. I also didn't like it. People don't talk about the pitfalls of vaping. While it's great, always losing your vape, and then sometimes you get a puff that gives you anxiety. You're like, Wait, you're starting to tweak a little bit, and then it goes away. It wasn't all good. It was also expensive because I used to buy them by the cartons online.

Yeah. It's a time and a place. We'll always have the memories.

We'll always have the cute pictures of us and our vapes, but you're right. People just start smoking cigarettes.

Yeah. Go hard or go home.

Yeah. But no, I think I officially close the chapter on that. I don't think I'll go back ever.

I think that's good. It would literally be pointless.

Well, I would have fun, which is always good.

But you can have fun without vaping, turdy.

But you really can't. I know. You can't have that much fun.

Yeah. But I'm not doing it. Well, if you could just dabble.

I know. If I could just be a normal person who just has one in her going out bag and only when she drinks.

Only when she drinks.

Yeah, but I can't because then you have one in your going out bag, you have it when you're drinking, then you wake up and you rummage through that going out bag and start vaping at 6: 00 in the morning.

No. No. No. That's really yucky.

Now, officially, I'm closing the chapter.

Okay, good. I thought we did five years ago, but...

No, it was open. Once I was out of the no-go zone, it was an option, but I don't think it's an for me.

Good. I'm glad to hear it. And stay in school also. Depends on the school. And also it depends on the person. Everyone learns differently.

So true. I can't go having this conversation again. But let's just all remember, the smartest kids in school are now sometimes making the least amount of money. It literally means nothing.

Yeah. And what about a trade school?

Bring back black smithery.

Yeah, skills.

Bring back welding.

Practical skills. We're all going to be replaced by AI.

I don't think the welders will, honestly.

I don't think the podcasters will.

Definitely not.

Famous last words. But you know what? You guys, they could try. If AI can make a better podcast than us, then we could enjoy it. We could listen to it.

I welcome the challenge. Yeah.

Sounds hysterical.

Rising tides rise all sheds. Then we have to level up.

Yeah.

We have amazing stories today. Don't you feel like there's just a lot of funny things going on? There are.

I think, again, I have six, and I'm going to see where the wind takes us in terms of conversation. No presh. No presh. Let's get into them, shall we?

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Our first story pains me to say, but good guys are making news in the first I feel sick. And you told us, you warned us that they had a very newsmaking-worthy podcast, which they had John Seamos on, which is always newsworthy. But he spilled major tea for the GGs.

Sometimes Ben finds himself at the crossroads of huge pop culture moments.

He's Far as Gump. I always say that. He's Far as Gump.

And he has no idea. But when he got home from this interview, he was like, No, I'm telling you. It was crazy. I knew the fact that Ben was conscious enough to acknowledge where he found himself. I was like, Oh, this is going to be good. And you know what? It's huge news. Yeah.

John Stamos is blasting St. Laurie Loughlin's terrible Narcissist ex, Massimo Giannuli, after shocking split. So we had reported a few weeks ago that Lory Loughlin and Massimo are divorcing. In the last few weeks, some stuff has come out. The rumor mill is saying that she found some incriminating stuff on his phone. But now John Stamos is adding more color to their relationship and painting it in a light that I just did not see. He blasted Laura's estranged husband, Massimo, as a narcissist who masterminded the couple's 2019 college admissions scandal. He said, 40 years I've known her. You can see through people after a few years. This woman's a saint. I'm just heartbroken for her right now. I really tried to be there for her during the divorce and also with the college scandal. I'm not going to debate whether she had much to do with it or not. I know she didn't. She goes to fucking prison for this asshole for three months. He said he prayed that he hoped that he would get help with whatever hole he's trying to fill, whatever negativity or hardships that you've been through in your life is connected to this guy.

While he refused to talk about the alleged infidelity, he did say that Laurie put up with a lot over the years.

You know what? I always think about how it was the women who went to prison in the college admissions scan of Felicity Huffman, not her husband.

William H.

Yeah, I was going to say William Defoe. That's not his name. William H. We say Laura. But it did also make sense that the mothers would be more involved in getting their kids into Which dads tend to take a back seat with academics. But it also was a low-key criminal thing. So you would think the husbands would have been more involved. I'm not sure. So this reaffirms some thoughts I had that even if it was Laurie at the helm, wouldn't the father fall on his sword? He's the one who goes to prison. Prison is for men.

It's not for girls. Yeah. No, it does raise a good point. But now he's also saying not only did she take the blame for the family, but she didn't do it. It wasn't her idea. I could see that.

I could see it, too. I know this is so not the point because he's happily married, but I ship. Obviously, Uncle Becky and Auntie Jessie. And Becky and Uncle Jessie. End game. And game. John Samos needs to be a Libby Jade's stepfather. Even though he's so happily married, I think he just had a baby, and I'm like, No shade, no tea, no shade. I just don't think that's your person.

No, I understand. But I also feel like, Lori Loughlin needs someone. I didn't even realize that this is what we needed. This is what she needed. Needs someone to stick up for her in this way. Just a complete endorsement of her character, especially because with the college admissions scandal, and she went to jail, and then people... She's canceled.

Her character has been called into question.

He's saying she's a saint. She's always been a saint. She took the fall for her husband, who's like, That's the bad guy. Even Even outside of the college admissions scandal, he wasn't good to her. I just feel like if I'm her... Well, actually, maybe it's starting drama, but I just feel like she needed someone to be in her corner.

Yeah. I think one thing about Laurie, I protect the family. Her family is everything. Her girls ride for her so hard. I think you could tell just based on how her girls talk about her, that she's an amazing mom. I don't think she was ever going to break that, even in divorce. We were never going to hear about this because she protects the family. Shout out to John Stamos because things we needed to know, this.

Yeah, but it does up in what Lori's trying to do, which is not have her... But daughter... But like...

Her daughters must know. They seem incredibly close.

Yeah. I'm sure if there was cheating, I'm sure they I do know that.

I hope that Olivia Jade is just leaning on Jacob Alorti at this time. You do? No, I don't, actually. Am I crazy in saying I think Olivia Jade's too good for him? I'm so over him. It's time to move on. It's time to move on. Who's the new hot young thing? That Olivia Jade should date?

We always have this conversation, and I just might mind. Oh, do we? My mind- Oh, do we? I've explained. Yeah, we're always talking about her, Glenn Powell, the same five people. Oh, Glenn Powell, right. But they're friends, you said.

They are friends. It's It's purely platonic.

As I said, we've had this conversation.

Yeah, I guess we have.

Unforched.

Well, all that to say, we write for Laurie at Dawn, okay? Oh, yeah.

And John.

She's America's aunt, Becky.

Yeah.

I really do think/hope that he didn't go rogue in this interview. He had some blessing from Laurie, just being like, Yeah, burn it down.

I don't think he had a blessing from Laurie, but I think he did what he felt was right.

We love A righteous person, a righteous Gentile.

Yeah, a righteous individual. I do hope, though, that he didn't make things worse for her.

I don't think he would do that. I think they're actually really close good friends.

Yeah.

And not Ben, just being there for all of it.

Lish.

Lish.

Just there. Good thing you guys went to LA.

Literally. Because otherwise, Ben would have been just on Zoom, and all the articles would have left out his name because it looks like just Josh and John are on a podcast. Yeah.

I'm looking for photos.

He's in the clip. He's in the clip.

He's in the clip. Okay, but not the stills. But not the stills, but that's okay.

Always getting the boot. That's my husband.

Josh isn't in the stills also, to be fair. It's just John.

Okay, good.

Are you ready for our next story? Something that I know that you've really been wanting to discuss, and I actually want to talk about it as well. Kristen Bell was dragged for an unbelievably tone-up anniversary post to her husband, Dax Sheppard. Kristen Bell, over the weekend, commemorated her husband's birthday, their wedding anniversary. She said, Happy 12th wedding anniversary to the man who once said to me, I would never kill you. A lot of men have killed their wives at a certain point. Even though I'm heavily influenced Incentivized to kill you, I would never.

Then the picture is him hugging. I couldn't tell if that was a young daughter or just a little Kristen Bell because you only see the back of a blonde head. Is She's not a daughter?

That's a little Kristen Bell.

Are you sure?

1,000%. Yeah, the two sat on the bed, hugging. Yeah.

Okay. I thought it literally does not look like a toddler.

She does look small, but she's small. That's all they kept saying in the show Nobody wants this. That she's so small.

No, and their kids are blonde.

But also, why would you want to- Are you sure? Claudia, stop.

Are you sure? Let me just get one more look.

Kristen Bell. I wasn't unsure until you asked me.

Okay, am I blocked by Kristen Bell. What's her Instagram?

Kristen Annie Bell.

Oh, okay. Annie. Not me thinking I was blocked. Jackie, this really looks like a young girl. Look how big his hand is on her head.

It's not making it weirder than it is.

Okay. You sure?

I was not unsure.

Okay, fine. Let's talk You know how unbelievably weird and unnecessary this is? You know who I blame for this? Deadass. I want to know if you know what I'm thinking. Who do I blame for this? Come on, beat my brain. Come on. You can get it.

I don't know.

Okay, I'll give you a clue. A different male celebrity.

Who does weird captions like this? Come on. Just tell me.

Van City-Reinds.

Oh, well, look where that landed him.

I blame Ryan Reynolds for this because there was an era where Ryan Reynolds would just post pictures of half his wife's face and be like, Happy birthday, quirky. And everyone was like, They're so cute. And it got them a lot of attention and couple goals types of things. And really, he was just being annoying and rude to his wife on Instagram, and everybody ate it up, ate it up. And now I feel like it's become a trend. You can't be sincere. You have to make a joke. She's just trying to get attention and be funny and quirky. Obviously, this is weird and wrong, not to mention it's Domestic Violence Awareness Month, and people are saying it's really insensitive.

A lot of people are commenting and saying, Really on Domestic Violence Awareness Month, which is like, yes, but also it has nothing to do with Domestic Violence Awareness Month. This would just be a weird thing to say in any month.

Honestly, with the exception of Black History Month, nobody knows the months. It's like women's history. We don't give a fuck. We know February is Black History Month, and besides that, I don't know what months are celebrating other things. And to be honest, I don't give a shit.

Yeah. So I feel like that's not really fair.

I agree. Let's just talk about how weird it is universally.

Yeah. I just feel like Kristen Bell and Dax Sheppard, both of them, have just been made to feel like they can't say anything wrong. And they always say weird stuff, and they do say a lot of things. And I feel like they're always in the headlines for an Instagram caption that's quirky silly, a little taboo, but they said it. And they just took it way too far because they've never been stopped. And that's what happens when you go unchecked.

Right. Because they're just beloved.

Yeah.

She did limit comments. There are 4,500.

But she's kept it up.

Oh, wait, Somebody commented. I'm reading the comments, and this has thousands of likes. I'll be honest, until I saw it was an anniversary post, I thought he was holding one of his little girls. Not us wondering if that's one of your daughters or if you are, in fact, that little. Okay, I'm not the only one who thought that.

Yeah, but I think she is very little.

Is this supposed to be funny? It is supposed to be funny. I see people in the comments pouring out their hearts as a survivor of domestic violence. I have empathy. I don't think that these two things... She wasn't trying to hurt you. It's just a bad caption.

Yeah, it's just a bad take and just losing sight of the message, of the spirit of the day.

But let's also just talk about Dax Sheppard as a person been saying this.

Well, Dax Sheppard says a lot of stuff.

That's true. It's his job. Yeah.

The thing is people in their private lives, you could have a conversation about spousal murder. I guess when you think about Good. You good. I could see him saying, I am highly incentivized to murder. I guess there are incentives.

Yeah.

Life insurance.

If she dies, all of her money is his.

Your fortune, frozen money, gossip girl.

Maybe it was supposed to be romantic?

Yeah. Yes. It's supposed to be romantic.

Right. He's saying, even though my life, I could benefit greatly from your death, I would I want that.

Because I love you.

Right. But him saying... He could have said it without being the murderer. He could have said, I don't want you to die, even though I would become really rich. Him putting himself as the murderer in this hypothetical situation does give me pause.

Well, I think he just says things in an intense way for the delivery.

Yes, but also this was a private conversation, and I wouldn't be nitpicking it if I didn't know about it, and I shouldn't know about it.

Right. Yeah, just the bringing it into the public, I just miss the mark. But I'm not someone who's like, Well, she missed the mark. I'm just like, Let's pivot for next time. Let's learn. Yeah. I don't think it's a huge deal, but it's becoming a big deal. The thing is, the more you read a story, it's funny because the first time I saw this, I'm like, Oh, she made a stupid joke for her husband's anniversary. How stupid. Then I keep seeing the story. Now, the more I read the caption, I'm like, Well, this is really bad. You know? It's just like, if you get inundated with something enough times, you're like, Well, this is a huge deal.

Yeah, it is becoming a big deal. They are really famous, and this is just like, the price of being famous. Like, your Instagram captions gets studied. Let this be a lesson to them and to all couples who are annoying and quirky. You don't need a crazy caption for your anniversary posts. Just celebrate your anniversary in private and post a cute little collage. We'll be okay. We don't need to know everything that goes on in your house.

Yeah, but I do think the two of them, together and separately, feel invincible or have been invincible. Not that they say crazy stuff all the time, but that's their shtick. They've not really been brought to task. I think they are one of those couples that gets questioned because of how much they bat their kids and shit like that.

They don't use soap. That was them, right? Yeah.

That's the controversy.

Or was that Mila and Ashton?

It was Mila and Ashton, but it might also be them. That's the controversy they're used to and that they love. This has gotten a little further than I think they would have wanted.

Now we're veering into domestic Violence Awareness Month, and that's just never a conversation you want to be in the bad part of.

Right. Right. But I think they have a lot of fans and a lot of people who know their hearts. They'll be okay. I think they'll be okay.

They'll be fine.

A couple that will not be okay. Our next story, Shas of Sunsets, Mercedes, Javed files for divorce from Tommy fight after seven years of marriage, requests custody of their son, Sham.

Okay, this story affected exactly one person, me. I'm so upset. Obviously, I quote their wedding all the time. Cian's look sick. You look like a piece of wood. But I also believed in their love. Their story. If you were a part of the Ogie Shaza, it sounds like you just had to be there. It was the '80s. It was so crazy. When her and Tommy found each other, he was just this character, this old cynical New Yorker. He's a character on Sex and the City, I swear to God. They were so different. They came from different worlds. She is from an immigrant family, Persian, finding her way in LA. Glamazon. She made her own money, had her own cars. He was this blue collar, rough around the edges. They made no sense together, but they were perfect for one another. Then she wanted to be a mom, and they had this baby, and she had such a crazy pregnancy and delivery.

She had a cerclage.

Amongst other things. She literally died on the table. They took out all her organs. It's a crazy story. They just made it through a lot of tough times. I feel like now is her golden era because the show is off, but she's this huge star from Traitors. They have their baby. I can't believe that now, they went through so much, that now is when they're calling her off. I'm shocked.

I'm shocked and I'm saddened. According to the documents obtained by people, she submitted her petition in LA on Friday, October 17th, which was also listed as their date of separation. She cited irreconcilable differences and asked that the court terminate its ability to award both she and him spousal support. She further requested sole physical and legal custody of their six-year-old son, Shams, with Tommy receiving visitation on Tuesdays after school. Okay, I don't need to know his whole schedule.

But that's interesting just because that's very little.

It was Tuesdays and Wednesdays and Sunday, a couple of hours, Tuesday, Wednesday, Sunday. But I'm going to- Okay.

Now, I think every mother ideally goes for sole custody, right? So I don't know if that's supposed to be a red flag.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's so sad. Seriously, I'm devastated.

Yeah, I'm sad. I just wonder.

I can't remember if they announced this, or I just read it on a Bravo something, but there is some form of Shah returning. Yeah. So not to be greedy, but I would love to see this in some reality format.

Yeah. It sounds like because we read that announcement, like Shaz is getting the Valley treatment.

Right.

What did they call it? I think they had a name, too.

Did they? Let me just look it up.

There was a whole announcement, Shaz is coming back. Ladies of London, we were sitting pretty.

The Valley, Persian style, obsessed. Yeah. Gigi, Reza, and MJ will be navigating the next stages of their life. In the Valley, the show will incorporate familiar faces from the original series alongside new cast members, yada, yada. Ideally, yeah. Well, you know what? It's sad for MJ, but hopefully this breathes life into this new show. A needs a good scandal. To get it started, it's always good.

Yeah, very surprising and very sad. But we're always rooting for MJ, so whatever is best for MJ is best for ourselves.

One thing about the toast, we are always... And before it was cool because everybody loves her now. She slayed on traders. Excuse me. We've been standing since 2014. Whatever's best for Mercedes Javier is best for me, Mercedes June. I cannot wait for that show to come back. Seriously, if you have the time, start Shows of Sunset from the beginning. I think it's on Peacock.

It's literally... That's a good one.

There were so many errors. I can't go into my Shows of Sunset like diatribe, but lets me not forget Diamond Water.

You should start a Shows of Sunset rewatch podcast with MJ.

Happy, too. I have so many thoughts. And not us being personally afflicted. Remember when we had those two freaks on and they yelled at us?

Who? The siblings?

They weren't siblings. They fought like siblings. They were a couple who... I don't want to say their names, but I remember it. Bobby and Asipha.

Why did they yell at us? What did we do?

They were on for one season, and they were just like, I don't know if they can't be still together. They were the most toxic couple. All they did was fight. And they came on the breath as like... We used to recap Shaz. They came on the breath as guests, and then she sent me a nasty message afterwards being like, I guess she hadn't seen any of our recap. We weren't on her side. We would say that her and her boyfriend are so toxic. She was like, If I had seen how poorly you spoke of us, I never would have agreed to come on your show. I'm like, Well, that's your fault for not doing your research. You shouldn't do your research.

But also, that's just We're just talking about a show.

She was very new to the game, and she took it out on me.

The best way to get us to stop talking badly about you on the show is to come on our show and be super nice and disarm us.

I mean, Danielle Stab, Margaret Joseph. I was such a Margaret hater on her first season, and Jackie was like, No, I think I like her. I'm like, No, I'm telling you she sucks. She came on the toast, literally could not have loved her more. She's one of my best friends. I talk to her every day. Yeah. Danielle Staub really wowed me. Leanne Locken really wowed me. And these were people I would recap, and I wouldn't be on their side. I would have criti... Now, I could not criticize any of them. I could, actually, but I wouldn't.

No, but you then have in the back of your mind, Oh, this was a nice, decent person. Maybe there's more to the story.

Right. What are we not seeing?

Exactly. Are you ready for our fourth story? Speaking of more to the stories, Wicked for Good cast their cowardly lion.

This was a weird story, the way that it rolled out.

Yeah, They've been teasing the voice of the Cowardly Lion.

John M. Chew said that there is an actor so great behind the voice of the Cowardly Lion, and we're not going to reveal it until he shows up on the red carpet at the premiere. Cut to four hours later, just like a variety story being like, It's Coleman Domingo.

It's Coleman Domingo playing the Cowardly Lion.

Now, let me say, they did Coleman Dirty because now I'm like, Well, Coleman isn't the greatest actor, and I'm let down. Meanwhile, if they had just said, like, Coleman Domingo is the Cowardly Lion, I would have been like, You know what? That's a great casting. Yeah, that feels right. Yeah, he has a great voice, like this booming voice. So now I'm just disappointed. What was with this weird rollout?

I don't know. And there are so many stars in the movie that didn't get a...

And, Jackie, the guess is, I was reading the comments before it came out. People were like, Sir Ian McKellen. Okay. It's just like, It's so weird, though.

It is weird. It's sad for Coleman. Well, actually, I'm sure Cole is fine. Yes, it is. But it's definitely like with a wimper.

Yeah, because, objectively, if we were reporting on this, I would say, You know what? That's actually like an A plus casting.

I love it. My tone would have been like, Coleman Domingo is playing the Coward of the Line. No hype, no disappointment. It's just fact.

I would have just said that's really good. It's just fact.

Now there is a gap Between expectation and announcement, because really, who could have lived up to that hype?

And John M. Chew needs to be reprimanded for this. He needs to be told, That was bad. If I'm Coleman, I'm actually mad because now we're all... We're not clowning on Coleman, but we're just like, Oh, Coleman. He's like, Coleman Domingo. It's Coleman Domingo.

Don't you feel like Coleman Domingo is always finding himself in that situation, though, where it's his presence, it's meant to I felt that way. He was in the Sabrina Carpenter music video, and everyone's like- He was? Yeah, the one for her new album.

Oh, I don't think I saw it. Manchild?

Was it Manchild? I forget. One of the singles, he's in the music video, and everyone's like, It's Coleman Domingo in the music video. I'm like...

Everybody talks about Coleman Domingo, and they don't talk about him in Four Seasons, which I don't even know if I ever spoke about because it was one of my postpartum shows. I fucking loved it, and he was the best part. Him and his husband. Yeah, I watched that with him back. I was in the summer. It It's the best show. It's a great show to watch with your husband. Yeah, he's the best part. He's the best part.

I know you liked his husband, but... I did. I'm Coleman.

Yeah. They talk about the great works of Coleman. They never talk about Four Seasons. He was in euphoria, the dad.

So that's me. He's not the dad, Claudia. He's the sponsor.

Oh, yeah. Why did I think it was your dad?

I don't know, but I saw in the comments.

Well, that's why he's never in the show because Rua was never on the program.

Yeah. No, I didn't watch Euphoria. I've arrived at Coleman late.

Yeah.

But anyways, he's the Cowardly Lion.

That's great. Just outside of all the noise, it's a good casting. Inside all of the noise, it's like, Womp, womp.

Yeah. Yeah. And does he sing?

Definitely.

Definitely. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

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Our fifth and final story code. We're going to call this section Koji's Architectural News.

Oh, my God. Who's following 432 Park. I've been following it. I'm following a little bit more closely now since major publications are writing about it. But I've been here since the beginning. Now, I know what you guys are going to say. I don't live in New York. Why would I care about... Trust me, this is the craziest saga.

Yes. There is a building in New York that was built... How How long ago? 2015?

I was going to say 10 years. Okay.

Yeah. We were all there when it was being built, and it's like it really- When it was being built, it was being talked about a lot for a multitude of reasons.

One, because it was going to be the tallest building in the city. It's the same height as the Empire State Building. We're like, Oh, wow, that's cool. But this was going to be residential. People were going to live there. All these tall buildings in the city, Empire State Building, Chrysler Building, they're office buildings.

It's also more uptown. When you see the skyline, when you're coming into the city, all of the really big skyscrapers are concentrated more downtown and below 34th Street. But this is like, stand-alone. It's a concrete building that's like one solid 15 by one ratio throughout. Whereas the Empire State Building tapers off, the other buildings have- The shapes of skyscrapers are intentionally pointed at the top.

Aero-dynamically, they have to be to let wind pass through. That's why every building has a big, tall antenna. Have you ever seen the Burj Khalifa? They're all pointy. It's not for esthetics, it's for aerodynamics. This one was like, We have figured out we don't have to be pointy. We're going to be just as tall as the Empire State Building. But the last 10 or 15 stories of the Empire State Building are just a tall antenna. So it's like, no, we're going to be a perfect rectangle. They are square on top. They're flat on top. And we're like, Oh, wow, how are you going to do that aerodynamically? They're like, well, we've cracked the code. The way this building is built, it's like every 10 or 15 floors, it's completely open. So they're like, wind passes through. It's just columns and open air. So the wind passes through. We're not going to sway. We're going to be... Meanwhile, the second people moved in, there have been insane issues in this building. People say it sways. Okay, they're just in their apartment and it's swaying. People say that in the trash chute, if you don't live in an apartment building in New York, every floor has a trash chute.

You got to throw your trash out. You take the garbage and you throw it down the chute.

It's basically just like a That goes...

But this building is so big and so unstable. They say that every time somebody throws trash down the chute, it sounds like a bomb going off when it reaches the bottom. Oh my God. This building has been insanely riddled with issues. But now the New York Times has done a full investigation because Because some residents are saying that the building is cracking on the outside.

Yeah. But the foundation. You can see it's full of crack. Some engineers fear that chunks of concrete could start to fall down onto sidewalks if a $160 million renovation isn't undertaken. Also, I saw that in order to make the concrete, they use a bunch of different materials, but they wanted the facade of the building to be a lighter concrete, so they didn't use some of the darker-colored concrete materials, which are the ones that would provide- Are necessary? Better for the structure.

So the New York Times did an investigation, and they found emails of the... Because now it's like, they're trying to find blame. Who do we blame? The builders, the developers, the residents are pissed. And by the way, It's not just an apartment building that you can buy an apartment. It's the most expensive building in the city.

They're hundreds of millions of dollars.

So all these people spend $100 million on an apartment, and they literally can't go to the bathroom. They can't throw their garbage down, and the building is falling apart. So the New York Times did an investigation, and they found emails where the people, the builders, are literally writing to one another being like, Well, if we don't use this concrete mix, that's not going to stay together. And they literally know what they're doing is wrong, and they're choosing the esthetic, having a white concrete over a dark concrete. They're choosing that over the function of it actually being safe. Now, if I'm somebody who bought an apartment in here, oh, my God, I'm so fucking pissed. I don't know, does insurance cover something like this? It's literally unheard of.

I have no idea. I'm like, Can you sell it? Is anyone trying to to get into this building? Who the fuck would buy this? Yeah, it's like a nightmare.

Let me tell you, it's like 55th and like, fifth or something. I avoid that block. Always have. Like the plague. Something terrible is going to happen to that building. And now what do we do? They say that they need A $60 million renovation. Well, they absolutely have to do it. The New York mayoral debate is really tense right now. If I'm a mayoral candidate, this is an issue people need to be talking about. They shouldn't be forced to do that renovation. It's a hazard. Pieces of concrete flying off of the thousand-story building. It's insane.

I know. I just worry that they actually can't fix it, that the issues are too structural.

Of course, that's the concern.

And that the building eventually would have to be... So a Abandoned.

Not only abandoned, but demolished, right? It can't just stand there. No. This is unprecedented, but I would love an expert to weigh in. What do we do here? The building really... Can you just demolish a building in the middle of the city? The debris, you can't just take a building, can you?

I think you can.

Yeah, they do it all the time. Do it.

I mean, there's so much money in this building.

Too fucking bad, for real.

I don't know. I'd love to talk to a resident. Is it as bad as- Oh, my God.

Maybe I'll have a I'm not a resident co-host. You should. If you or someone you know lives in 432 Park Avenue, reach out, please.

They say the building sways in the wind and groans like a ship at sea, and that leaks Power outages and elevator problems have persisted since they moved in. Oh, yeah. The mechanical issues are wild. The elevator's always out. I don't know if it's just because it's shittier because of the wind.

Oh, my God. But when the building went up, there was a lot of outrage, and people were just talking about it. But because it was so ugly, it really has affected... The New York City skyline is so iconic, and it's so gorgeous. I'm sorry, no other city compares. And this big just pencil in the middle, it's so ugly. And we hated it from the beginning because it was just these billionaires being like, Look, we could build a big stupid building. We're like, We don't give a fuck. Seriously, get alive. It was so unnecessary. It was like, It's giving the Titanic, the unsinkable. We can do it. Well, you can, but who cares? You don't need to.

It's just crazy that it's not good.

All the money in the world, you can't even build a building that stands up on its own.

Yeah, that doesn't sway. That's really- The pictures of the cracks and the literal chunks of concrete missing, where are those chunks? Of engineering. Then there's so many other buildings that are going up. They call it Billionaire's Row. It's like that street, super tall buildings. There's one, remember that one where the crane was just falling off? It was right by our old studio. 57 street. The street would be shut down a couple of times because shit was falling off the construction site. It was just a crane in the breeze like this.

This is so scary. Of course, it makes me think of that building in Florida, in Surfside, that completely collapsed because it was not engineered right or whatever. We have a duty in these urban planners. I don't know what... These are people's jobs. You have to figure it out. This really gives me the willies.

No, but it's also like, it's Tower of Babel. Too tall. It's Tower of Babel.

It's too tall.

It's too tall. It doesn't have to be so tall. I don't understand the- The tallness.

The thing is, and I've seen videos of people touring apartments, and they're on the highest floors. You guys, you're literally in the clouds. You can't even see anything. There's no view.

You might as well live on an airplane.

Live on another planet. It's so stupid. You don't even... Okay, so the point of being high up is that you can get good views. But these people are so high that they're actually on most days in the clouds. You're surrounded by fog.

That's really crazy. It's so stupid. And that's most desirable. Right. Damn.

No, if I'm somebody who bought in this apartment, I'm obviously annoyed because I'm going to lose money, but I'm more so embarrassed. You got caught up in all this and you spent all this money That's so embarrassing. I'm literally pointing my finger like, It's you. Yucky. That's so embarrassing.

Oh, man.

I'm obsessed with this saga.

Jlo and Aarod lived there when they were together. Yes.

There's a video.

Everybody could see it. With him on the toilet? Yeah.

It's like you're just in the middle of this airspace, so every other building can see you in this huge windows. Somebody zoomed in. They got a picture of Aarad on the John.

Yeah. I'm obsessed. Go to the fast five stories. We'll keep you posted. Feel as though you needed to know them. Now it is time for Dear Toasters.

We have an amazing Dear Toasters today. If you guys ever want to write in, you can submit... Well, sorry. Let me say, if you're new here, Dear Toasters is our weekly advice segment where we just try to help out the swirlies you need. They're always dealing with like, mother-in-law drama, baby drama, whatever. You can write into us. Send us an email, deartoosters@gmail. Com, or simply head over to our website, thetoastpodcast. Com. Scroll down this little submission box. Totally anonymous. Don't worry, we'll never blow your spot Here we go. Hey, swirleys. Long-time listener here. Let me start by saying, I love my mother-in-law most days. You know how mother-in-laws are. But one thing I cannot stand about her is, and I have no idea... I feel like I really have not been reading this well. I'm starting over.

I feel like I haven't been reading well all day. It's just a bad reading day. It happens.

Hey, girly, Swerlies. Long-time listener here. Let me start by saying I love my mother-in-law most days. You know how mother-in-laws are. One thing I cannot stand about her, and I have no idea how to address, is that this woman never, and I mean never, washes her hands. She loves cooking. She's always preparing meals when my husband and I come over, but she quite literally never washes her hands. Anytime she uses the restroom, she's out that door the millisecond of flushing. I've paid attention to this as long as I've known her, and it disgusts me to no end. I have zero clue how to address it. My husband does the same sometimes, and I have to remind him to wash his hands. He's a Pjum otherwise. But how the hell do I bring this up to my mother-in-law? Side, a sanitary That's actually my worst nightmare. The thing is, not to be a toxic woman, but you have to have a baby. Because once you have a baby, you can say, you have to wash your hands. You come in the house, wash your hands. That's beautiful. That's what every good Samaritan does when they come and meet your baby, they're like, Wait, let me wash my hands.

Sometimes you have to be like, Wait, sorry, can you wash your hands? That's when you could start being a pushy handwasher, and you just never stop.

Yeah, no, that's good. You can get her to occasionally wash her hands when the baby comes around. But in general, you're not going to change this woman. You can't tell a grown woman to wash her hands. You can't eat her food.

This is what they say on TikTok.

You can have something that was prepared from her kitchen. If I know that about someone, especially, you know how I am about kitchen safety. If I've seen that you are not practicing like, food grade safety in your kitchen, I will not eat your food. I don't care how amazing it looks.

Of course. This is what people on TikTok say. It's like a little song. I forget how it goes, but it's like, this is why you can't eat at everybody's house.

No, you cannot. I hope that the food doesn't look that good because that's really would be hard. But that's literally the only thing that can get me to not eat is unsanitary conditions, like someone's disgusting hand, a hair in the food. All of a sudden, I have self control.

I've never been such a crazy handwasher Nazi. But when you have a baby, I become just very aware of my outside clothes. I was never really crazy about it, but now I'm just more aware of it. That's really gross. I'm sorry that you're dealing with that. In terms of tangible solutions, I offer a baby.

It's a bandaid.

They say a baby fixes everything.

It's just a bandaid. I'm sorry. She's a deeply flawed person. Before you go over there, don't touch her. That's just so yucky to me.

Agreed. All right, next up. Hey, Jackson Claude, I have a mom question for you. You two are the perfect mamas to help me out. I'm in round two parent phase, so I have two older kids, a 19 and a 17-year-old, and now a two-year-old son. My The question is about mom friends. I'm definitely much older than most of the moms that I meet at the park, so I feel really awkward about asking them for playdates or other meetups. I don't want to give off unapproachable energy, but I also don't want to be the weird old lady in your college classes that nobody wants to be in the group with. What are your thoughts? Would you be open to being friends with an older mom, or should I just stay on the sidelines? I'm 44, if that helps. Sincerely a geriatric millennial. I mean, you sound like a dream. Seriously, I think you're underestimating how badly everybody would want to be your friend.

You're at your skills that you bring.

You've done this twice. It's It's like having a blend. Everybody, I feel like girls become even closer with their mothers once they have babies because they're a wealth of knowledge. So you're a combination of both. I wouldn't be insecure at all.

No, and the way I see it when I'm at the playground or I'm meeting other moms and stuff, it's like, if our kids are the same age, we are the same age. It's so true. I don't even think about if you're younger than me or older than me. I just think about, Oh, your kids are older than ours, so we're not compatible. But if our kids are the same age, we are the same age.

It's so true. Parenting is very... It's like an equilibrium. Is that the right word? Equalizing?

The great equalizer.

No matter who you are, where you're from, how much money you have, we all are just dealing with the same thing.

And then that's we are equal. Someone could be younger than me and have older kids than my kids. And it's like, well, they're just older than me. Wiser. It's really about the children. And so I think you're overthinking it completely. If I see someone, especially when we start talking birthdays, if we're right around the same month and the kids are born, I'm like, oh, my playdate.

Totally. You're overthinking it. I feel the analogy about the adult who went back to college and none of the kids want to be friends. That's not you. No. That's not you.

No.

You're fine.

They're in final. Do you want to be friends with all these young people who are nervous? No.

All right. Dear Jackson turd, I'm 29 and chronically single. My last boyfriend was when I was in college, and it really wasn't serious. My friend and her husband live a few states away, about a 14-hour drive. Her husband plays rugby, and they had this new guy join the team. They have hung out with this man once, but my friend is convinced that this is the guy for me. Me too. Am I crazy if I get on a plane to go watch one of their local rugby games with the hopes of sparking up a conversation with this man after the game is over? It seems totally insane, but the dating pool is abysmal, and this seems like really the only glimmer of hope that I have. Sincerely, a very girly swirley.

Seriously, what are you still doing here? Like, buy your ticket.

Run, Joey. Listen, love waits for nobody. I love that... Okay, yeah, you're technically getting on a plane to potentially meet this guy who you've never met. But you're also going to visit your friends.

Yeah, exactly.

At worst, you have a great weekend away with your best friends who live far away and you don't ever see. At best, you have a great weekend away and you meet the love of your life. Go, girl. Seriously, I'll send you the miles.

There's really no downside.

100%.

Because you could visit your friend anyway. I'm going to assume that your friend knows that this guy is single and that he would be open to meeting you, and so it's not a complete waste of time.

Triple check that he's not married or whatever.

Yeah, but still, you could go and visit your friend. You don't need permission to go and do that and meet someone. Leave. Goodbye.

100%, and this is not to ask, but first of all, it's hard to get a guy. Second of all, sometimes you have to do great big things for love.

Yeah. I think a setup like this where your friend who knows you so well is saying this guy would be good for you is worth 10 random dates.

Of course. A set up is such a golden opportunity. You have to take it, even though this is not technically a set up.

Bon voyage. Yeah, seriously. Safe flight.

You know what? I'm going to do one more because today I feel like we're obvious.

Oh, okay.

The theme was obvious. Hey, Swirlies. I got married last November, and I've been trying to conceive now for 10 months, and I'm in hell. My husband's brother got married one month before us. Conceived right away. They had their baby this summer, he's the cutest peach. But recently, I heard my brother-in-law saying, I'm scared that our son isn't going to have any cousins his age. And it really sent me spiraling. You're scared? What about me? Am I being overly sensitive because trying to conceive is so emotional and exhausting? Or should I talk to my in-laws about how hard this has been for us and ask them to be more sensitive? Your brother-in-law has to go to jail. He has to go to jail. You're not being overly sensitive. That's such a fucking annoying thing to say.

And stupid because do they know that you're trying? If they do or they don't, the difference of 10 months, 11 months, 12 months, when the kids are actually kids is really not that much. Now it's so dramatic. You're not going to have cousins.

Jail. Seriously, That's the type of person who's looking for things to worry about. First of all, your kid's going to be totally fine. It's so insensitive. You are absolutely valid in your feelings. How do we handle this?

I think run it up the chain to the husband, to the parents. Snitch.

Of course, not your responsibility because this is your husband's brother, and therefore, your husband's problem.

Yeah, tell your husband to snitch on him to his parents that he's being out of control and being insensitive and who does he think he Who do you think? Shake it more.

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