Transcript of Couch Potatoes Deserve Love Too: Thursday, October 16th, 2025

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Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Thursday. Hey, Jacqueline. How are you?

I am good. Happy Thursday, ladder half. Weird week.

Gang, gang, ladder half.

Weird week energy, WWE.

Agreed, 100%.

Summer Slam.

W. W. A. And speaking of, that reminds me, I really have not seen enough celebrities during my time in LA.

Have you been going to their... Well, you saw one yesterday.

Who?

Shane Dawson.

Oh, my God, you guys. Wait, yes. Wow. I had the longest day yesterday. Okay, I saw Shane Dawson.

So there's your celeb spotting for the day.

Great. We were at the Beverly Hills Hotel having lunch, and this enormous cyber truck pulled up, and I was like, Oh, I wonder what tech douche Lord it's going to be. Shane Dawson comes out. Let me tell you, he looks exactly the same as he did when we were all watching his docuseries, the tight black jeans, the combat boots, same look and everything.

As much as I'm not a fan of Shane Dawson, I do miss that time.

I miss who I was.

I miss the energy around it, the Shane Dawson-Djevery Start collab. What was it called? Conspiracy? Yes. The Conspiracy Theory Palette or something. That was the- Conspiracy Palette. That they had us buying those eyeshows inspired by Shane Dawson selling makeup. It just goes to show the power of marketing.

It's so true because...

Why would I be- What the fuck does Shane Dawson know about makeup? Why would I be inspired to buy makeup from Shane Dawson. I don't know, but I did it.

The whole point of the docuseries was trying to turn Shane Dawson into some makeup guru when he doesn't wear makeup.

That's also the power of Jeffrey Star because Jeffrey Star's stamp of approval on 2, Shane Dawson, made it so that- It meant to everything. I was buying the palette. Then what was even crazier was that after the show air, and they had shown colors they were going to put in the palette, and one color didn't make it. The fans were like, Oh, my God, but we love that color. It was a green. Then they made more palettes, and they just swapped out one color, and it still sold out.

Jackie, to this day, it's one of the highest grossing makeup palettes of all time. It was insane.

No, it's a master class in mass psychosis.

Yeah. And groupthink.

You just had to be there. So I don't...

Jackie, the fact that you... Me?

Me. I remember at the time...

Jackie, the fact that You is what makes me...

Most powerful marketing campaign on the planet that I was buying.

Infiltrated your mind.

Makeup from Shane Dawson.

The Communist Party of China has not even been able to get to Jackie. She's really not infiltratable. No. But Shane Dawson got to- It's really Jeffrey Star.

I just want to say it was really Jeffrey Star because I really fell in love with Jeffrey's self. I just remember watching all those episodes of the docuseries on YouTube. I remember we were flying to LA, I'm downloading them on YouTube so I can watch them on my flight. I do miss that time, even though I don't recognize that person. I was a part of something massive.

It was fun to be excited about something.

It really, really was.

So thank you for reminding me. I have, yes, I've seen now two celebrities.

But are you going to seek out more celebrities?

Well, I was pretty sure I saw Al Pacino at the Cheesecake Factory last night. I just couldn't 100% confirm it because I don't really know what Al Pacino looks like.

Yeah, so it probably wasn't him.

I don't know. We were in Beverly Hills.

You should go where the celebs go.

Well, Kathy Hilton goes to that Cheesecake Factory once a week.

Well, I told you you should go to Nobu Malibu.

Yeah, I know. There's a lot of things I should do. Sorry, I'm busy.

Yeah, but you have to eat.

So true.

You still have to have dinner and lunch and breakfast. That's three times a day that you could see a star.

Nobu Malibu. It's so true.

Yeah.

Today is Thursday, which means the show is so chill, right? Did you catch up on Love is Blind?

I watched the first episode that dropped.

Me too. This is the part of Love is Blind. I'm not going to spoil anything. I feel like they really drag it out. There doesn't need to be four or five episode drop batches, two or three.

Well, I said this to Zack last night. I feel like when Love is Blind first started, the apartment living part was longer. The process wasn't 2-3 weeks. It felt more four to five to six weeks. I felt like cameras picked up once a week in the apartment, and they would recap us on the fights that they had that week. Right now, I feel like we're seeing every minute. They're only two weeks in the apartment or less before they get married. I feel like we're seeing every waking minute because they're literally saying, This morning, my mom came over, and then the afternoon, they're doing tuxes. I feel like in the past, they've let them breathe a little bit and then caught us up every few days, whereas now we're watching everything, watching that. Then also, They don't know how to edit. I guess their editor got sick because they don't know how to trim a fight to the amount of fight that we want to see because I don't want to see all that. Are you doing Calambria? I'm talking about Annie and Nick's fight, her drunk. I'm sorry. I don't want to watch a drunk girl telling her boyfriend he doesn't love her enough.

That's not interesting television, and I don't need it to go on forever.

She's fucking awful. I fucking hate her.

She's awful. I think the temperature is that nick is the bad guy in the relationship. We'll get to the recap. I don't think so. But even among the cast, they're all saying, nick feels so calculated, and everything he said was always just- I'm sorry.

She's crazy. You're not going to get me to be on her side.

No, I actually really started to come around to him in in the last few episodes. Me too. I'm like, This is a man who has his shit together.

Okay, you know what? We're getting into recap territory.

But anyways, the editor, I don't know what happened to the editor. I hope we're through a Shalama. You need to get back to work because these episodes are not being edited.

Yeah.

And they're not the most interesting people on the planet.

So we'll do a TV recap, and then the stories are- The stories are- Describe them.

The stories are good. If it was a different Jack's today, I could have even picked five different stories. They're all interchangeable. Nothing like, Oh, heavy-hitting stuff.

Feeling very spontaneous.

No, not spontaneous, just interchangeable.

With a dash of spontaneity?

No, I don't think that there's really a- Because I feel like what you just described, it's like textbook definition of spontaneous.

No.

Well, then I described it wrong because they're not spontaneous. They're just interchangeable. There's just a lot of mid stories today.

Maybe sporadic?

I would say.

I hope not sporadically, of course.

Then I also started another show yesterday.

Okay. She's the queen of TV.

Nobody wants this.

Oh, my God. She's four years late. I know. Thank you for finally watching.

I'm really enjoying it. I'm excited for season 2. Season 2 is coming out. We've been reporting on it a lot. A lot of new familiar faces are joining the cast. So I was like, I'm going to get in on this, and I'm halfway through the season. It's just so crazy how the sisters on that show, they're so Sarah and Aaron Foster. That actress who's playing Sarah Foster.

Justine Loop, I think her name is.

Yeah, she's from succession. She deserves an Emmy. If I close my eyes, it's Sarah Foster talking. Even the things she says, the way She says them, greatest actress of our generation.

She was pregnant at the time of filming. Super early days, first trimester, she was talking about that and how difficult it was. You love to see that.

You love to see it. You do. I feel like that show has really influenced the way random people on the street perceive our profession. When I tell people that I do a podcast with my sister, they're like, Oh, that show, nobody wants this. I'm like, Oh, I guess so. Now watching it, now I know how to respond because it is like that, but not entirely. We're very official. No, not entirely. They're a little crazy.

But it gives a sense of legitimacy.

They're a little crazy.

Of course, but so are the Foster Sisters.

I know, but they're crazy with their podcast. They're always fighting in front of executives.

Oh, yeah, we would literally never.

I feel like their relationship is going to have some tension soon because they keep putting each other down.

Yeah, and one is evolving while the other's not. That makes it awkward.

But Kristen Bell is also a bitch to Sarah. Sarah, foster. And didn't think she could take that meeting, but she did a great job in the meeting. Meanwhile, Kristen Bell is in and out of the meeting with her boyfriend. Be professional. And you think you're the better businesswoman?

Agreed. This is the Better Business Bureau.

Meanwhile, Sarah's there sat. Exactly. And is something going to happen between Sarah and the brother? Please, Lord, no.

I feel like they were suggesting that a lot. But then I think that was squashed. After the series got really popular, Sarah or Aaron was talking about it, and they were like, no.

Okay, good. Because he's happily, unhappily married.

The crazy thing is that the actor, I don't know his name. He's Jona.

Yeah.

He's Jona from Beach.

They should have named his character Jona just for continuity.

Continuity. It's a very Jewish name. Because I will never be able to know him as anything other than Jona.

Yeah, he is Jona. I guess in the show, he is Sasha. But his relationship with his wife- That doesn't feel right. Though it's not like they're not in the Honeybooth. They're not like, rabbi and Sarah. They all have four names because they have their cast names. They have who they're based on, and then they also have their real name and real life. Seth Cohen. We have Kristen, Sarah, Kristen, Erin, and Joanne.

Yeah. Well, welcome. We're so glad to have you here. We can't wait to hear your thoughts on season 2.

Right in time for season 2.

Yeah. She made it. Her contemplate is slowly getting cleared.

You guys, the wheels of content consumption move slowly, but they grind mighty fine.

Listen, it's not about the destination. It's about the journey. You got here. How would What else do I want to tell you? I went to the Beverly Hills Hotel yesterday. I didn't see any celebs. I had a purge, Alyssa's Lunch.

Maybe you were the celeb.

You know what? I was not coming- That other people had spotted.

I was thinking that. You were somebody Shane Dawson. That's beautiful.

Was that nice? That's true. Actually, I did run into a couple of tosters. Just something I wanted to remark on because they've been really negative about LA. I had an amazing experience where I ordered a Diet Coke. Me and Ben both did. I guess the waiter could tell we were like, chugging them. We weren't going to be polite. He just, to make his life easier, brought us a big carafe. Carafe season. Of DC. He kept just refilling the carafe. We We're free to refill our own drinks. It was really... It was special. I feel like, bring the pitcher back. Whatever happens to the pitcher.

Yeah. I'm team pitcher. Carafe, whatever you want to call it.

This one was a cariff. It was It was very hotel.

It wasn't big enough. But nowadays, when I get a soda, when I go out, it's my one soda.

Okay, but not everyone's pregnant.

Now we know too much about soda. I don't want bottomless soda. I want my treat of soda, but I'm not going to be drinking it like water.

Okay, but I am. Unfortunately. I think the pitcher should be an option. Okay. Pitcher. What else do I want to tell you? I haven't even talked to you all day.

No, I literally spoke to you three times yesterday.

Oh, yeah. I went to the park and had a big chat with you. I forgot about that. We're so caught up. Yeah, I went to the park.

Yeah, she's a parkgoer. She loves a nature walk. They do have nice parks. I do love a nature walk. People don't realize that about turdy.

Give me a flat walk. Oh, I'm so fucking in. Give me something with the incline. I'm not as in, but I'll do it begrudgingly, but it'll be cut short. I went to a really nice park yesterday, and they got nice parks here. They do. Parks and rec. Yeah.

That's good. They should. They have lots of them.

Yeah, that's all there is here.

Land. Land, nature, high taxes to sustain these facilities.

Correct. Although I did notice something at the park, and now it's just something I'm noticing. People here are obsessed with their dogs. It's very a dog-friendly town. But more so than that, people are obsessed with having their dogs off leash. I literally was in the hallway of this office building today. There was a woman with her dog off leash. It's very rare in the city that you see a dog off leash. When you do, everybody in the sidewalk is like, Whose dog is that? Is he lost? It's It's crazy. I have seen more dogs off leash than I have on leash. When I was at the park yesterday, just chit-chatting, gabbing away with my girly on the phone, this dog came up to me. I thought it was a coyote. It was black. It was the scariest I'm not a fucking dog ever. You know they do have coyotes here. He came up to my leg. I was like, Ah.

Twice. She thought it was a coyote. She's evaluating it. She's like, How do I know? I was like, Take a picture. I sent you a ChatGPT. She was like, Oh, he's wearing a collar.

Then I would have thought he was wearing a collar, so I But the owner was nowhere inside. I looked around, I thought someone would make eye contact with me and be like, Yeah, I like this my dog. No, nothing. People are obsessed without having their dogs on leashes here. I guess it's a flex that you spent a lot of money on training and your dog's well behave. Who gives a fuck? Is that I'm not even that inconvenient. I understand. Sometimes, I'm not going to put my seat belt on. It's like, whatever. Putting your dog on a leash is not hard. I'm the laziest person ever.

Yeah, I guess. I don't have a strong opinion about it. Just don't bite me. If your dog does bite me, I'm going to sue the fuck out of you. Just no.

Then I feel like we're always hearing about celebrities or reality stars who go on their Instagrams and tell a story about something that happened to them at the dog park. It's always about some bitch-ass dog that was off leash.

But at a dog park, dogs should be able to be off leash. At a dog park.

At a dog park. I was at a park, and the park was not enclosed. There was kids everywhere, and it wasn't fenced in. So it was just on the street.

It is crazy. You must be really confident. I'm confident in Stry guy enough to know that he wouldn't go and bite someone But he would go steal someone's food out of their purse. Yeah.

And for that reason- He would steal someone's lunch money.

Yeah, he really would. So I couldn't have him off leash for that. Romeo would never come back.

Devastating.

Bye-bye, Romeo.

I can never put Romeo off leash. That's insane.

Yeah, I don't understand the urge is what I'll say.

Correct.

I don't have those sorts of urges.

That's good that you can control your urges.

I don't even have them.

You don't have urges to control.

I don't have urges of taking my dog off leash. For those of you who do, why?

When you hear dog leash, what do you think? I Okay, we don't have the exact same brain, it turns out.

What?

Ms. Dog leash.

What's that?

From the Doubton Abbey movie. She's the American actress who comes and stays at the house. Then when they turn into a talking movie, she can't talk, so Mary subs in for her.

Right, right, right. No, not- Ms. Douglish. Not even. The new Doubton Abbey movie is available on demand, by the way.

I saw it on pay-per-view in my TV.

I'm going to have to treat myself a little popcorn, but I'll have to watch it at four o'clock for my acid reflux because I can't have popcorn that late. But I'm not watching the movie without popcorn.

Yeah, but watching the movie during the day doesn't hit.

Yeah, well, I have blackout shades.

Okay.

I'll just like- That counts. I'll put myself on- It should be on our lay time. I'll put myself on Daylight Savings, which is coming up, by the way. Oh, is it? Yeah. Of getting dark super early. Cherish these last few days.

This is going to be my first Daylight Savings with a baby. I feel like they say it hits harder because like, bedtime and stuff.

Sort of, but it's really not that disruptive. But especially like, Fu, he handles every challenge with such grace and poise and like, seamlessly. He will crush daylight savings.

I had a major milestone today.

Okay.

So I always see, I always feed Fu, like on my breastfeeding pillow in my lap. He lays across my chest. But I've seen on TikTok and stuff, you can feed laying down in bed. You're on your side, baby's on their side, and they just feed.

From your boob.

From your boob, yeah. Sorry, I'm exclusively talking about boob. And just the way my jugs are, I can't do that without suffocating him. And this morning, I was so I'm like, If I could just be one of those girls on Instagram who sleeps on her side while the baby feeds, I would be okay. And you know what? I made it work. I did it. We both survived.

Once again, handling every transition seamlessly for Mr. Fou.

Yes, exactly. I'm not really worried about daylight savings. Ruby's living a bi-coastal life right now.

He already had jet lag. He's three out. Nothing is going to get between him and his sleep schedule.

Correct.

Honestly, and also this daylight savings, where it gets darker earlier, it's like, cozier. You to sleep more.

The body wants...

Like, Oh, I have to go to sleep?

The body yearns.

But when it's in the summer and it's still bright and pargy out and the kids are like, I have to go to bed? I don't think so. Oh, that's sad. I don't think so. Then you end up going to bed with the sun at nine o'clock.

Nine o'clock.

Anyways, they haven't changed daylight savings yet because they were supposed to cancel.

Even though I know there's legislation up on the hill about it.

It was going to be canceled. Usually, I'm abreast of what's going on, but it is what it is.

I'll say maybe next year.

Maybe next year. But I think it helps the farmers and some kids in Alaska going to school with the sun and not having to go to the bus stop in the dark.

Well, they could use a flash light, but it's fine.

So for the Alaskans, we stand with you.

If I need to be slightly inconvenient so some kid in Alaska can make it to school on time, you know what?

And doesn't have to go to the bus in the dark.

Stop. I'm going to cry. Not the I'm not going to cry.

I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to cry.

I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to cry. I don't know if this is maybe an empath or just being extremely postpartum. Something about a kid on a bus makes me cry. Do you know what I mean?

Like a school bus, yeah.

It's so precious. Like your yellow school bus. I'm seriously going to cry.

I know. In the short one.

No, stop. I need to move to the suburbs just so I can get my kids on a buzz.

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Last night was the Victoria's Secret fashion show. Victoria's Secret is back again for a while now.

They're misappropriating funds because it seems like they spent all their money on paying every model on Earth to attend, and none on promotion because I, along with millions of Americans, had no idea that this event was taking place last night. Not a commercial, not a TikTok ad, nothing.

I don't even know where it streamed. I, of course, I did not watch it, even once I knew that it was happening. However, there were some highlights, and let's just talk about the overall vibes. First, the highlight for me was that Jasmine Touks opened up the show nine months pregnant, looking part of you, which is all I've really wanted the last few years It's like, put pregnant women in positions of power, put them on the cover of Sports Illustrated, opening the Victoria's Secret runway. That's so gorgeous to me.

I completely agree. She's so insane-looking. I follow her on Instagram. She's one of my favorite people to follow. She married this very, very wealthy diplomat or something for a Spanish country or something. Really part of delicious. She's always attending World Affairs. She's pregnant with her second baby. She's a former Victoria's Secret Model. She's insane-looking. Her body looked amazing. Seriously, insane. Loved. That is probably the only positive thing I have to say about this.

Yeah, me too. Me, too. Especially for a brand meant to celebrate women. It's a big one. Other brands do, too. I think being pregnant and having babies is the most impressive thing that a woman does with her body. So celebrating it is just really beautiful. Agreed. I felt seen, of course.

Of course. No, I loved it. Other than that, I was unimpressed. I have such a hot take, and I don't know if the world is ready to hear it.

Okay, so the models included a lot of the former bombshells, Adriana Lima. Which is fun. Candice Swan. Honestly, most of them were the former Victoria Girls. There were a couple of new peeps, like Angel Rees walked.

They were people who aren't traditionally models. Madison Beer walked. Influencers walked. Angel Rees, who's an athlete, which is fun to throw people in from different... I'm not partial to only models.

Yeah, I wasn't mad about that. Amelia gray walked for the first time. She's a model, so she's a new model angel.

She's like, next Gen.

Irina Shayk walked. The classics, Bahadi Prince Lou. It seems like they checked a lot of boxes. Yes, some new people have Sune Lee.

Yes, they did athletes, they did influencers, they did singers. Carol G walked and performed. They had their OG models. They had the new generation of models. I just have something to say, and I feel like it goes again. It's this new world where everyone's invited to everything, and it's inclusion. I'm a big fan. I like to see... Obviously, I've been different bodies my whole life. I love to see different bodies. But it is fun when something feels a little bit exclusive. It used It used to be too exclusive, and nobody could even get booked. It was the same 12 girls every year. Every time there was someone new, it was great, but she looks like everybody else. I understand why it wasn't perfect. But now it's like, Well, why don't I just walk? Everyone's there. It's just not, I don't know, exclusive at all.

Interesting. But it's like when it was those 12 girls who all looked the same, that was when it was great. We loved it. It's weird. I have no advice to give Victoria's Secret because I actually feel like this year, they went back to the classics. They picked all the old Supermodels. They got the new models. They got all the big names. Still, it just feels old and tired. But I feel like in the last few years, they tried to swing the pendulum the other way and did... It was even more inclusive. That was also a mess. I genuinely don't know how to advise them to get me to feel something about this show ever again.

They're unadvisable. You know what it is? It just feels so forced. I just know that everybody's there because they were paid a lot to be there. Whereas I feel like Sports Illustrated and Miami Swim Week have really put Victoria's Secret on the balls of its ass, specifically their annual event where they have all the models come- The Sports Illustrated. Model the Bading suit show.

The Sports Illustrated. Yeah.

They had Stasi, and I thought that was great. They tap influencers, they tap people from different areas. It feels like those people are so excited. I don't know this to be a fact. It feels like they're doing it for free because it's just an honor to be there. I just feel like everybody was paid to be there last night.

Yeah. I really don't know what to tell them. The thing is, even when they stop doing the show, I'm like, Bring back this show. Don't give it. Now the show's back. I'm like, Maybe stop doing the show. Now the show has all the OG bombshells, and I'm like, Maybe don't have them. Then when they don't have them-Was it live? I'm like, Bring back the bombshells. I think it was. Yeah, Nothing that they do is going to move me, and this certainly didn't. Because even though this should be on a report card, A plus, you got the big names, you got the new names, you got a little creative, you had fun. No.

It's not moving me because I've moved on, and I think a lot of people have. It's just the harder they try, the sadder it is.

I don't know how you turn it around.

I don't know either. I feel like we have this conversation every year.

But every year, I have a bit of advice to give. Hey, why don't you bring... I don't know how you can get me to care or feel anything or be inspired by this.

I know how. Alex Earle should have opened the show.

Well, Alex should have opened the show, by the way.

Yeah, well, she's busy. But yeah.

She probably was offered to do it.

Yeah, her sister was in attendance. I saw page 6 posted.

But she's doing dancing with the stars.

Yeah, she definitely was offered.

Who were all the performers? Carol G.

Actually, I don't know. She has that Sports Illustrated relationship, so maybe she doesn't want to...

But a lot of these girls do.

Yeah, I guess.

Did Tate McCree perform?

Did she? That would have been a good performer.

I heard someone walking to her song, but I don't know if it was live.

Did Tate McCree perform?

And Carol G performed. I feel like there was a girl group that performed.

It's just like, they were too successful. We're just always comparing it to when Rihanna sang and Taylor Swift sang and the Fall Out Boy, all those iconic performances that I've watched on YouTube a thousand times. They're competing against themselves, therefore, they will always lose. Yeah.

So I'm sorry.

No, she did not. But her song, Sports was featured on the runway portion. I think you know what to say. And by the way, Tate McCree would have been a perfect choice. They're using her music anyway, so it's seamless. She has an insane body.

And she would have been like, I think you know what it's like. There are actually a lot of great people who could have performed who are the elk of Victoria's Secret Performer right now.

That's the best when someone's a performer and you're like, Well, are they also a model? When Taylor Swift was walking, she looked like every other bitch.

But that's Madison Beard. She didn't sing? Madison Bier.

No, she walked.

Why not sing?

She should have song. Yeah.

Why not sing? But I'm excited for her that she walked. It's actually a really big deal for her.

I'm here for the comeuppance of Madison Bier. I feel like I don't know how exactly. I just feel like the industry has wronged her. She was like, Justin Bieber's prodigy. She's the prettiest girl alive with the most amazing singing voice. There's no reason she's not famous.

I know, but like...

Something happened. I don't know. Something fishing.

You think?

Sometimes people just- Yeah, there's a lot of rumors about her.

Sometimes people just don't take.

Yeah, but there are things out there about her. Oh, okay. And then she had beef with her management. She left Scooter Braun. There was drama.

Okay. Well, I'm just happy for her boyfriend now.

Me too.

That feels like a win.

Did you see Josh Allen gave an interview about his wife and said, Seriously, the most beautiful thing anybody's ever said? I wanted to smack Ben after I saw it. I'm like, You never say anything like that about me. You sound like Edmund. Stop. It was, bar none, the sweetest, most amazing thing anybody's ever said. Yeah. Let me throw Ben under the bus. Sorry, that was me. Ben says nice things about me all the time.

He does. Do you want to tell everyone what Josh Allen said?

I can't remember it, but I just remember being deeply moved by it. Do you want me to find it?

Yeah, I saw it, too. They were asked what's the best thing?

What she's taught you. And he said, I'm more than a football player.

Yeah, no, It was really beautiful. Here.

Josh Allen reveals biggest thing he's learned from his wife, Haley Steinfeld. Maybe that I'm more than a football player. My whole dream as a kid was to be in this position, and I never thought of anything outside of that or beyond that. But there's life after it as well. Getting married, it was the coolest. It was the most important day of my life. And then all that other stuff is just the cherry on top. Stop. I love him. My wife. My wife is an unbelievable, undeniable rock star in her world, in her life, and as a person. She's everything that I need in my life. No, I'm sick.

I'm sick.

I love him so much. I love them. Honestly, I think it's time I become a Bills fan.

But I also feel like now that they're married and settled, I'm ready for Madison and Josh.

I thought you were going to say, I'm ready for her to have a baby, and I'm like, You're so fucking toxic.

No, I was going to say, I need something new and exciting. Yeah, to get excited about. Of course, Taylor and Travis, we have... But Madison and Josh really remind me of Josh and Haley.

Of a young Haley, yeah.

She could leave it all behind, especially this toxic industry that has wronged her, as you say. She could just be there for her charger.

Yeah, for her charger.

Her charger is not charging on his iPad because it got used to your iPad instead of mine.

Because it got used to your iPad instead of mine. Yeah, love.

That's good. Now, he's girlfriend, he's a Victoria's Secret Model.

Oh, wait. Hailey Steinfeld would have been an amazing performer/model if she were to have been invited. She has so many songs. Most girls. Most girls, yeah. She has so many good anthems for this type of event. Honestly, put us in charge. That's my advice. I feel like every year we need to give advice. Here is my advice.

Put me in charge. No, that's always what we say about everything. This is the first time I'm saying, I can't offer my services to you. You're beyond help.

There are certain people, if you attach them to a project, it will be a success no matter what.

Now, obviously- Like Sean McNamara.

Correct.

Kenny Ortega.

If they could have swindled by... Put Kenny Ortega at the The Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. Give those models some dancing, some choreography.

I'm not going to critique the models because I'm not one.

But yeah- Because they're just doing their job.

Just get in there. Give me a little something. Pop and lock.

Oh, shout out Barbara Palvin. She's just my favorite. I feel like the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show is the only opportunity I get to talk about her. And that one time she was a size six. Maybe she gained five pounds, and they considered her a plus size model. And they were like, Look at us. We're inclusive. And she had the most normal, amazing body on the planet.

You always say that, but then someone said that she wasn't That she wasn't. She was.

She was considered mid-size. When she was just normal. And her husband, Dylan Sprouse, was there all night passing out little pins for endometriosis.

Awareness.

Awareness. When he was getting interviewed and anybody asked him, he had extra pins in his pocket and was giving them out because he said, Barbara just had her endo surgery. Stop. I love them.

That's really sweet. They did look like hostage pins, which was also- I know, which I was excited about. A nice nod to the hostages.

It is. But the good news is that there are no hostages right now. Alive. Right.

That is good news.

It would have been a little late for the pin, honestly.

That's the VS Fashion Show. Hopefully, it doesn't come back again next year, but we'll keep you posted.

Yeah, hopefully it doesn't come back.

Next story, a little more fashion news. Sophia Richie-Grange, she's new brand, launched today. Oh, did? So SRG Atelier is a contender.

Can I have a question? Am I just out of the loop because I'm in LA and I go to bed at a time where everybody else is asleep and I wake up and it's late? Or was the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show not marketed well and neither was this launch because I didn't hear about either of these things.

Victoria's Secret Fashion Show was not marketed well. I think I mostly learned about it from Madison La Croix because she was going and getting ready all day. She was amazing. From Zandra also who was going and getting ready all day. That's how I learned about it.

I learned about it from Zandra as well.

You're not wrong for that. Srg Atelier, it's the launch of a fashion brand. It's like a collab with Revolve. It's not going to be like- Oh, it is? It is, but it's meant to be a standalone brand. They're comparing it to Helsa by Elsa Haas, which I think is a really good comparison because she's the face of the brand, but now the brand has legs outside of Elsa.

Yeah, but it's Is Elsa's backed by Revolve, too?

Yeah, I think it started as that. Got it. Right now, SRG Atelier has their own website, but it's powered by Revolve.

That's actually smart. I like that business-wise.

I think also they're comparing it to Nicole Richie She's House of Harlow, which is also powered by Revolve, Foward, et cetera, and exists outside of Nicole now. But it didn't start as a Revolve brand.

It started as a self-funded brand by Nicole. Then she, I think, partnered with Revolve to... They have all the infrastructure. They make clothes. It's actually a really smart business move for Revolve.

Yeah, exactly. Srg Atelier launched today.

It will be available on Revolve and Foward, as well as on the DTC site for SRG, which is also operated on the back-end by Revolve.

So it's all the same, but she gets to have her own site. It's a 56-piece collection. Oh, wow. Reminicent of Sofia's personal styles, neutrals mixed with pops of color, linens, beige coats. The prices range from about $250 on the lowest end to almost $2,000 for a coat.

Oh, it's expensive.

Yeah, but they're really emphasizing the quality. They're saying for the quality of these pieces, the prices are as low as they could possibly be.

Okay, I just want to say I have been tough on it because I really don't like the name, but it's really pretty stuff. I think it makes sense for her that it would be a little bit more high-end because this is the Ariel's charnice effect, where it's like, you're selling a $40 sweater, you wear $4,000 sweaters. Why would we believe you? I think that's where she really struggled to wear her own clothes. Everything Sofia Gritchy-Grange wears is a million dollars. If she had done an Amazon line, it wouldn't have made sense.

She did an Amazon line for kids. I loved it. I bought everything. For kids, that's different.

That's different. Obviously, I don't like that the prices are more expensive, but for her, it does make a lot more sense. It makes her look a little bit more authentic. I'm looking at the pieces. Oh, this coat is really nice. I got to get back to New York. I got to get out of here. I got to get out of here. I want to get on that. The jackets are sick, honestly. Go to the link in bio for- I am on the revolve brand Wait, this is weird. I'm on foward. Com. Okay. And you know when there's an item and it says new or selling fast? Some of the items, it says it's in demand, 10 sold in five days.

Oh, that's weird. They would tell you that.

In demand, six sold in five days.

Even here on Revolved trending, seven sold.

That's weird. By the way, I'm going to shop. Oh, let's see. Is it size inclusive?

I like this It's a girl jacket.

No, wait, it's all really pretty.

$500 hair.

She loves an asymmetrical hemline or an asymmetrical neckline. Everything is either like, mullet on one side or one arm. It's really pretty stuff, you guys. I'm shook. I was ready to be a hater. You know me.

Yeah, it is really nice, elegant stuff. I'm sure the quality is really good because she will be held to a different standard if she's charging $2,000 for things. I think this is a really great idea with endless potential.

I I agree. I'm very impressed.

I think that H Elsa and House of Harlow are really good comparisons for what it could be.

You know what I'm thinking, but maybe it's just in my brain because I just watched that documentary.

Victoria Beckham.

It's giving a little bit Victoria Beckham.

Yeah, except a little bit lower end than that.

Yes, it's not a fashion house because it's like, partnered with Revolve. But it being on forward, too, makes it a little bit more...

Yeah, forward.

Sorry, I mean, Fword.

Fword. Fword. Fword. That's what Ms. Richie Grange has been up to, and I'm glad that it's here. I'm excited.

Me too. I'm ready for the rebrand, though. The name is not working for me. It doesn't roll off the tongue.

Product Lunches Excite Me. Doing what you said we were going to do excites me.

You know who else is doing this? We didn't even talk about Gwyneth is launching a true fashion label. She already had like, goop clothing, but this one's called... She just posted I forget what it's called. Something GP. Gwyneth. It's called... What is it called? It's- Gwyn. G-w-y-n.

Gwen.

And I love that, too.

Yeah. Actually, our next story is about Gwyneth. So if I may- Any opportunity to talk about the most amazing woman.

I just love her.

It's actually about three of our favorite people.

Kylie, Timothy, and Gwyneth. Yes. Gwyneth Pau- That is literally this show. That is this era of the show. We always get obsessed with people, but we've been in this era for a while.

Yeah. Gwyneth did not know that her co-star, Timothée Chalamet,'s young girlfriend with two kids was Kylie Jenner. Gwyneth gave an interview to British Vogue, and she confessed that her co-star- She's on the cover, September edition. Yeah. She's starring in this new Marty Supreme, Ping Kong movie with Timothy. She said that in general, she gets made fun of for not knowing anything. One example of that is that when she was shooting this movie with Timothy, she had no idea who his girlfriend was. She actually was praising him for being a 29-year-old man who was involved with a young woman who has two kids.

She was like, I was like, that's- Not Gwendip sinking, it's like some down on her luck single mom when it's like, billionaire Kylie Jenner.

Yeah, that he just like, embrace. I mean, but the thing is- Pits up this woman off the street. It is Kylie, but he is with a single mother of two Kids. That's just not how you think of her because you know her of so many other things.

No, but also when you hear the phrase single mom, a billionaire doesn't come to mind. You think of somebody who's using one set of resources for an entire family. You think financial.

She said, I was like, That's so cool. I really love to hear that from a young man like you. I understand a 45-year-old who has his own kids going out with a woman with kids, but it's a cool choice for him. I respect it. I think it's punk rock because she She was a two kids, and she was technically a single mom. She's a blended queen. She was a single mom with two kids. When she met Brad Falja, she could understand why he, with his own kids, would connect with her. She confessed that she did not know it was Kylie Jenner, who is the young single mother, girlfriend of Timothée Chalamet.

Hilarious. Do you think that they hung out at all? Yes. Maybe they will, like press coming out for this movie, but did the three of them get together? I could so see Kylie and Gwyneth actually getting along amazingly. Gwyneth is like a girly?

I feel like, yes. They were definitely on set on location. Kylie was definitely there, and they definitely got together.

This is who Kylie needs to be hanging out with, not Charlie XX, Gwyneth.

Charlie XX.

No, not the vibe, Kylie.

Yeah. Everyone's talking about Marty Supreme, though.

I'm looking forward to seeing it because I've only seen one Timothée Chalamet movie. Fun fact about me is that I've never seen any of his popular movies. I've never seen Wanka. I've I've never seen Call Me by Your Name. I just saw that Bob Dylan one, and I'm going to say it, it was terrible. And he was terrible. The whole thing was awful. So I'm coming to this Tabularassa. I'm going to pretend like Marty Supreme is the first movie I've seen that Timothée Chalamet is in. I've also never seen him in Little Women. I really don't I don't think I've seen one. Consume his work.

Right. I mean, Zack watched Wanka, and I was in the background making a brisket, but I didn't watch it.

We watched Lady Bird together.

Oh, we did. I don't recall him being in it.

I think he was.

I'm not making that up. No, he was in it, but he wasn't the Lady Bird himself.

Tell me, do you feel this call? Do you get Timothée Chalamey confused with Saoirse Ronan?

No.

They, to me, are like, interchangeable.

I don't struggle with that.

I struggle.

Oh, we It was such a rainy day in New York. That was a lot of Timothée.

We did Woody Allen, Selena Gomez. We liked it. We did. We did. It was cutesy.

It was full on Timothée.

Selena?

Lena.

Is that a story today?

What about her?

Her weird Instagram story last night.

What was it? About crying?

No, she posted a phone number.

No, I didn't see this at all.

It was just a random picture of a wall. And she posted the phone number, and she said... Let me just I'll call it up. Posted the phone number, and it's important, worth noting, I learned in the comments that the zip code... No, no, area code was South Jersey.

Okay.

Taking Taking advantage of me and my love for that... Sorry, let me start over. Taking advantage of me and my love for my friends. Enjoy that person's number. When Jake T Austin is in trouble, I need to hear from him and him only. For those who don't know, Jake T Austin played her little brother in Woodson, the Wavelry Place. I have no idea what this is referring to, but she just blew up someone's phone number.

I did see she exposed a scammer that was impersonating Jake T Austin after a fraud attempt.

That's That's it crazy. Sometimes I feel like she forgets she has 400 million followers.

The person seemingly fabricated a crisis to exploit her loyalty and her emotional connection to JT Austin, and so she put him on blast.

Well, you know what? I do feel like this is an important lesson that if even Selena Gomez, a billionaire pop star, can get scammed, really, there's no hope for the rest of us. You would think she has things in place to stop her from being the victim of a fishing scam. But yet, here she is. Here we all are. You guys call your parents, make sure they're not giving anyone their credit card information on the phone.

Yeah, it's definitely a weird story. The person who the phone number was linked to, has been linked to Jake T.

Was it Jen Shah?

No, the person... I'm not going to say... I don't want... Seriously, what a stupid story.

No, I know.

The person had previously... Jake T. Austin had previously mentioned working with someone with a similar name to this person who the phone number is driving to in June. He's affiliated with Jake T.

Where it once was. It sounds like Jake T has scammers in his camp.

Why is this all our problem?

So true. We all are all going through our own difficulties. Why would I have to take this on?

We are all getting potential spam calls.

We are all just Trying to not go throughout the day with getting our identities stolen.

But we are all missing important calls because we're screening them, because we think that they're spam calls.

So true.

We are all every day being told that we haven't paid our taxes, even though we have and the IRS doesn't call you, but you still start to question yourself when it's every single day.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the IRS will not call you. You will get a letter in the mail. If anybody calls you from the IRS for your social security number, it is a scam. Put the phone down and walk away. They're going to be okay. They'll get you by mail.

Yeah. We're all on our own journeys with spam. Right. And no one is immune.

I can't take on your spam issues, Selena. I just can't.

No. So That's what happened with Selena.

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Our next story, Splitzville for Tom Cruise and Anna DeArmas.

Really?

Yeah. They have reportedly split after less than a year of dating. It feels like less than four months of dating, but the two no longer felt a spark and realized they were better off as friends. A source has told the sun. The spark has gone between them, but they still love each other's company, and they've gotten really adult about it. They're remaining friendly.

If anyone listening to this podcast knows Anna to Armas personally, keep an eye on her. I just feel like if anything happens to Anna to Armas, we know why.

I just feel like it wasn't that deep. She wasn't in it enough for her to feel the full wrath.

Or maybe she saw how crazy this was because he wouldn't date anyone who's not in Scientology. Or maybe they say the Jews run Hollywood, but it's really the Scientologists. I think that maybe she thought it would revitalize, like a dwindling career in TV and film. Maybe the roles weren't coming in the way that she thought it was. She was like, All right, dating this old man is not worth it anymore. I'm out.

But if that's the case, she didn't give it enough time.

How long was it?

It feels like it was just, let's say, six months.

Even she could see the auditions. Maybe it just wasn't picking up, and maybe she just had a hard time stemming it. He's really not attractive.

They met on a set of something. I feel like they were working together. That's why in the beginning, it was like, are they dating or are they just sharing a helicopter to set. The movie hasn't even come out. If that's the case, she didn't give it enough time. I don't think that's the case. I just feel like she should have seen it through. Maybe just the spark.

I don't know. I just feel like if she's going to use her dating life to elevate her career, she could just date so many other people. She's beautiful.

Yes, she could. She's 100. I know, but he has His movies are so successful. He's a true traditional movie star. His relationships are always a big deal. They never even went on a red carpet together. They didn't even give it the full shot is what I'm saying.

Maybe they were never dating.

I think that they were.

The story makes no sense to me.

Yeah, because I just feel like he doesn't do anything halfway.

Yeah, them dating makes no sense, them breaking up makes no sense. The whole thing makes no sense.

But it's over now.

I don't believe in love anymore.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Mm-hmm. Some really crazy allegations because Kevin Fetterlein has a new memoir coming out, and he is sharing a lot of really negative stuff about Brittany. She has issued a statement in response to some of the headlines coming out from excerpts from his new memoir. The book is called You Thought You Knew. There's an excerpt that was published in the New York Times where he claims that their kids woke up to Brittany watching them sleep, With a knife in her hand. In the penultimate chapter, he writes of her condition saying, The clock is ticking and we're getting close to the 11th hour. Something bad is going to happen if things don't change. My biggest fear is that our sons will be left holding the pieces. He also alleged that she did cocaine while breastfeeding their son. There's just a lot of crazy allegations in this memoir.

I think people automatically dismiss anything Kevin Fetterlein says because the joke is that he's a couch potato who never works and just cashes Brittany's checks for child support. And now that both of the kids are 18, he's not getting child support anymore, so he has to write a book about Brittany to pay for his life. And while all of that may very well be true, I don't think enough gets said about the fact that... And Brittany has admitted herself, she hasn't been able to fulfill her duties as a mom, and he has been there as a dad. I'm inclined to believe him. I I know everybody just dismisses everything he says because he's thirsty and poor or whatever. But no, really. Nobody takes him seriously. But I don't know, of everyone there, he has been there the whole time.

I don't think you can say stuff like this about someone. I mean, you can't without having something to back it up because she could sue him for defamation and libel.

She would have to prove that that's not true.

Yeah. I don't think he's writing a book, and I don't think anyone's publishing a book.

That's just made of anything. The New York Times.

Any major publishing house is publishing a book with- Who's publishing it? With such claims that- Is he self-publishing? Could potentially be not true. I don't think his self-published memoir would wind up in the New York Times.

New York Times. I just want to see. You thought you knew. Yeah, here. It's crazy that he was a backup dancer. I just want to see who published it, if it's legit. Publisher is listening. I don't know what that is. Let me just look it up.

Yeah, it's probably like an imprint. We all watch Younger. We know the book world.

It's listening. I'm not listening. Punisher. I hate these people.

Listening publisher. Oh, God.

Random House.

There we go. No, are you sure? They have a listening library.

That's just a hard word to Google.

It is.

Oh, you're right. It is a listening library.

Wait, Listenin. Do not autocorrect me. Listenin.

You know, they autocorrect me.

Who owns?

Yeah. Who owns?

No, listening library. I said, Listenin.

Oh, listen in. I have no idea.

No, this, by the way, this publishing house does not exist.

Oh, you think? Mm-hmm. Okay, that doesn't bode well, but why would the New York Times publish it then?

I don't know. It's an audio-first publishing company. Listening. It's like an audiobook. Okay, you guys, we have to dig deeper. But anyways, I want to share what Brittany's response has been because that's fair. She posted to Instagram on Wednesday saying, The constant gaslighting from my ex-husband is extremely hurtful and exhausting. I have always pleaded and screamed to have a life with my boys. Relationships with teenage boys is complex. I have felt demoralized by the situation. I've always asked and almost begged for them to be a part of my life. Sadly, they've always witnessed the lack of respect shown by their own father for me. They need to take responsibility for themselves. With one son only seeing me for 45 minutes in the past five years and the other with only four visits in the past five years. I have pride, too. From now on, I will let them know when I am available. Then she talks about the book. She said, Trust me, those white lies in that book, they're going straight to the bank, and I'm the only one who genuinely gets hurt here. I will always love them, and if you really know me, you won't pay attention to the tabloids of my mental health and drinking.

I'm actually a pretty intelligent woman who has been trying to live a sacred and private life the past five years. I I speak on this because I have had enough and any real woman would do the same.

I so badly want to champion and believe her. I do. But there's something to be said about the fact that those boys choose not to live with her and not to speak to her.

They're 19 and 20 now, so it's not even about living together, but it's 45 minutes in the last five years.

No, but I'm saying that's their choice. Even before they turned 18, they were living with him. That was their choice. The breastfeeding while doing cocaine is such an insane allegation. I'm obviously taking it personally since I'm breastfeeding, and I won't even take Ozempic. I don't know. It begs the question. I don't know.

I know. It's really sickening. It's sickening if it's true, and it's sickening if he made it up. Everything is- I don't know Kevin Fetterline, and I'm not saying he's the best, most amazing, honest, truthful guy.

He definitely doesn't have a job, and he definitely uses Brittany's money at his own discretion. But he did also use it to raise it.

As a single dad.

As a single dad, yeah. Maybe he wouldn't using it in the best, most perfect way. But of all the people stealing from Brittany over the last 10 years, I'm really not that mad at Kevin Federline for doing it.

The one who was raising the kids.

Yeah. Maybe he was using half the money on sports betting, but the kids were getting dressed and going to school. I don't know. I'm just not one of these people who's jumping to Brittany's defense because Kevin's a couch potato. Couch potatoes deserve love, too.

Okay? Yeah.

Couch potatoes can be good dads. Yeah.

He's never going to beat those allegations. I just never heard something about Kevin Federline that really changed. They never say Kevin Federline author, right?

Right. It's always Kevin Federline crackhead. Oh, my God. Couch potato.

Always Kevin Federline gold digger.

Yeah. Which By the way, it's not a crime.

Now he can add author to his resume.

Doing cocaine while breastfeeding, that is a crime. Being like a... I'm trying to think of the word. Lazy? In Yiddish, it's like a khaza. Khaza? Yeah. Being a chaza, not a crime.

No.

I just never heard anything about Kevin Federline that has definitively changed my opinion of him in such a negative way. No, people are not perfect, of course, but I don't know. I'm not inclined to always defend Brittany against him. What? Because he's lazy? So am I.

I have to say I read her book, and if there was a time to... He didn't come off well or anything, but I actually don't remember really anything that he did that was- So awful. Yeah, aside from the custody stuff.

Well, I stand- But if someone's- I believe that she should not have had custody of those boys.

Yeah, it's a mess.

It's a mess, and it's getting worse. And she's been relatively quiet.

It's sickening to talk about. Let's talk about Love is Blind. Mind.

Okay.

I watched- Those crazy Denverians.

Okay. So many thoughts, mostly about Annie and her crazy hair. It's not talked about enough that she's a stylist. That's insane.

No.

The crazy thing is that she basically manifested this breakup into existence. The whole time she's been like, I- She spoke it into existence.

Yeah.

She's so fucking insecure. It's like, nobody wants to be around that. It comes out really bad when she's drunk. I feel like I like you more than you like me. I feel like you're going to say no. She's just so insecure. So you know what? He spoke his truth because I don't know if that would have been his truth if she hadn't been in such a misery.

Yeah. As much as I think he's going to get shit, I really do think publicly people just didn't like him to begin with. In the pods, I didn't like him. I didn't get him. But then throughout getting to know him, seeing his house, seeing his family, I'm like, Oh, he's very athletic. He's very industrious and entrepreneurial. He's a unique fellow. Yeah. He has his shit together, and he has his life together. I think he's really serious about wanting a wife and starting a family. I'm trusting his reasons for being on the show. I actually thought they were one of the stronger couples. So did I. Every time we see them, especially, I think now it has to do more with the drinking. She's like, You don't love me. She's so annoying. It's not even what she's saying, which is one of the most annoying things a person could say, but it's also the way that she's saying it, the way she's like, her facials are. I couldn't live- Swallowing her words. And eyes closed. I could not live with that for the rest of my life.

Seriously, go to sleep.

Yeah. Go to sleep. Don't drink if that's how you're going to be. Am I crazy? I think people are going to fault him for ending it when he did. I think the other couples- Why?

It's nicer than making her go to the altar.

I think the other couples are probably saying the same, that he seemed fake, whatever. There are three other couples who should be ending it right now as well.

Okay, so can we agree that Jordan and- Sparkle. Sparkle are so cute. I'm obsessed with them.

Yeah, they should get married. I hope they do get married. He's all in. He said, Unless she punches my son in the face, I'm saying yes.

Obviously, for her, it's just not who she thought she was going to be with. Obviously, he has a kid, so that's just a big life change. But I need Sparkle Megan to just dive head in. I love them together.

I think she's doven head in. I think it's a little weird for her that she is going to marry someone who has a kid who she's gotten the opportunity to meet once because he's not filming, which I don't... Of course not. That's a really big decision.

Yeah, but at least the kid doesn't live with him full-time. So it's not like a... I don't think he lives with him ever.

No, but I think they have split custody because in the first episode, they said he's a single dad. So I'm like, Oh, where's him? When I hear that, I'm like, So the mom's not in the picture.

She died, right?

But then the mom is very much in the picture. She said they talk and they're talking about him, Luca, right? That's his name. Yeah, Luka. He was being on the show or not. Then he said it's pretty much 50/50 custody because somebody asked him.

Yeah, but then somebody asked. I think they were out with her friends and they were like, So does he live with you? Is he going to live with you? No, never.

But he But Jordan has a one bedroom.

Maybe they meant in the apartment, this big apartment?

Yes, I think that's what they meant. In Jordan's apartment where he lives, it's a one bedroom, and Luca has the bedroom, which was so sweet. Oh, my God. His apartment was so cute. I don't know if you saw that episode.

I did.

It was like rocket chips. I just can't.

Does anybody read the book Part of your World?

No.

It was this cute smup book. I talked about it on the podcast because it was the one smup book I read where it was this really poor guy and this very wealthy woman. Money was such a thing with them. It was so cringe and so awkward, but he had a big dick or whatever. I feel like that's a very Sparkle Megan's story right now. She can't get over the fact that she has more money than this man. I don't think that's why she thought her life would end up. But she loves him so much. It's a fairytale. Yeah.

No, I don't think she's hung up about the money because I think she has enough money for herself and her life.

The house hunting scene, they really didn't need to do that to us.

They didn't need a six bedroom house, and they need half of that house. They can easily get the house they want. They can use all the proceeds from her LA house. I think she's not looking for money. Maybe she was used to it, but she has enough, and now she has love. I think that she's going about this experiment in the complete right way of maybe not what I thought and not what I'd gone for in the past, but this is what's right for me. Anyways, I agree. They're getting married. If they don't, they're the only ones. I'll be upset. They are the only ones who have a chance of getting married. No one else is getting married.

Let's talk about the nurse and the alcoholic. That scene with the tequila was nuts. That was so- He's such a liar. Is the tequila still in the fridge? Oh, I don't know. Let me check. He didn't chug the whole thing, and it's completely gone. That was crazy. I like her a lot, but I will lose respect for her if she goes to the altar because it's clearly not... You got to call it. Of all the people in the mix right now, they have to call it.

No, Joe and Madison. Oh my God. When he was having dinner with her family, and they were light years ahead of him in terms of things they're talking about, excitement. You You can see and feel him getting so overwhelmed. And not that they did anything wrong, because if he were all in, that would have been a lovely dinner. But considering he's not, their behavior was just like, frightful for him. They acted like a normal way that you should act When your daughter is... When you're meeting. And like, oh, my God, we're getting married. But it was so much like if he was already- She's a nice family. She does have a nice family. They were acting the way that you should act when two people are getting married. But considering he's not getting married, I think it just pushed me even further and really overwhelmed him. Sometimes with the families, when a couple is not in a good place, sometimes the families actually bring them together. I think that happened with Anton and Ali even meeting his mom. It's like, Oh, wow. I I could be a part of this. I think also with Edmund's mom, I think Kaby really liked her.

They always help move things along. It's like, Wait, you work with my family. My family likes you. Let's make a go of this.

When people are having doubts, it does help seeing your life together. Most of the time. Yeah.

I think they really push him away just by being so excited about this thing that he's not excited about.

He's literally counting the minutes down until he can go home. Yeah.

Then he's having a nervous breakdown during the tux thing, being rude. He won't even try on pants. If they don't break up today or on the next episode that I'm about to watch, then they're both a bunch of liars. I feel like they don't because I feel like I saw footage of her on wedding day.

Right. There are a lot of brides. They show us the back of their heads, but they're all clearly different shapes, sizes, and hair colors. I think there's a lot of brides. I think there's a lot of weddings. I think everyone else is going to be the altar. There should be one, and that's it. Everybody else. But if Edmund and Calambira went, okay, even though that fight scene was so awkward, you know what? She's really looking for a very toxic alpha male, and she has found a real sweet little beta. They are so not compatible at all.

No, I'm sorry. She can't run and get the accessories from Ross. That really bothered me. No, I know. She has to do her hair and makeup. She needs an hour minimum to get ready. He doesn't have to do anything. He's sitting at home. He didn't work. She was doing errands all day. You can't just go a mile down the road to Ross to get the Western belt and the Mandanas.

I know. But her berating him was genuinely painful. It was. Like a school of principal.

It was. But as viewers, we needed the context to know why.

No, of course. It's a universal story for women.

After a day of being a disappointment to her, that then he goes, And you don't say anything nice He was nice to me in front of everyone.

No, it's like you doing a million things, and you just need him to go pick up one thing, and he can't do it, or he's late. It's a universal story for women.

He needed a dressing down, and that was what he got. It was painful to watch. I think they have existing issues and just personality differences. They're not compatible. Yes. Plenty of women, they don't get enough. I take a long time to get ready, and I'm ready before my husband. That frustrates me. Same. That frustrates me. You know? Not a huge deal. Just everything compounding and then in front of everyone being like, You don't say anything nice. They're just having issues.

That comment, she's right for being mad at that comment.

Yeah, in front of... I would say, Why would I say something nice to you right now? You couldn't go to Ross.

But you pissed me off all day. Be just be lucky I'm here.

Especially because she said she actually didn't move on. They were making videos. You wouldn't know if I was mad at you. Then you're going to go back to starting a fight in front of people.

I will say she had a lot of things to be mad at him for. I feel like she laid it out very well in terms of she's a good argueer. I felt bad for him because he was getting berated. But everything she said, she made her point. She said what she said. Yeah.

And he was objectively- I don't think he internalized any of it. No, he was objectively wrong. But then when he said, Can you say something nice to me? I felt for him like a smidgen in that moment. Oh, I didn't. No, when he said it in the apartment, not at the thing. Yes, he's just accepted this He's dressing down. He's apologizing. He still doesn't know what he did wrong. But he just wants to hear something nice about himself after everything. If I were like KB, I wouldn't say anything nice. Of course. As a viewer, I'm just saying it's like, he just needs to hear something nice about himself. But that's just where you can be objective.

But the fact that that was his reaction is why they're really not right for one another.

No. Then they're still filling out their marriage license. Why?

Remember, she was the one who wanted him to beat up a guy if he came and talked to her at a bar. That was so never going to happen.

He can't even go No. Of course, these two are not getting married. They should call it now. Annie and nick weren't even the first ones that I felt like needed to call it. Same. They were having issues.

Relationship issues, but not- But I think they also were really enjoying each other while also struggling to figure out their relationship.

No one else is even enjoying each other.

Yeah. A lot of them are counting down the minutes until the experiment is over.

Joe and Madison. Joe's not enjoying anything.

Joe It was not.

Kb and Edmund are not. There's no good times, really.

I have a lot riding on Jordan and Sparkle. I did not expect to love them so much. They've just come out of left field. I feel like I can't think of a person in recent memory, who I feel is doing this so for the right reasons. Sparkle really gives authentic energy.

Also, the editor was out sick for the wedding dress shopping episode because they showed every girl in two dresses. They've never done that before.

I just want to say there are certain parts of every Love is Blind season that I will fast forward. Trying on tuxes in wedding gowns, fast all the way fucking forward. Then the 30 minutes before the wedding, I was talking to my mom, running outside.

They tell us a bunch of whooie, that doesn't matter. They act like they're getting married, and then they don't get married.

Right. I skip right to, do you? I do. Those two things I didn't even watch.

I watched the wedding dress just because we were watching the episode, and I'm scared. Zack loves that so much. I can't fast forward when I'm watching with him. They showed every girl in two dresses, and I thought each one- Dreadful. Trose the wrong dress. They should have gone with the first one. But usually, they show us one dress. They are trying to extend this season and showing us a bunch of shit that we don't need to see.

Yeah. And they just announced that there's a reunion, which that should be the standard.

There should always be a reunion. We need a reunion. It's been a year. Let's talk about it. I do just feel like nick is about to have this ass handed to him now that it's out, that he ended the relationship. I know that Annie went on Vile Files. I don't know if she's meant to be the sympathetic character, but for me, she's not.

She's literally Arionamatics. I wanted to say that they have the same fucking face.

Yeah. I was shocked that he ended it as abrupt as he did because it looked like they were sitting down, Hey, brunch was good. Trying too much last night. He comes with ending it. But yeah, it needed to end. What? He should wait till the end. He should waste his place in time. No, I have respect. He should lie inside someone. Her reaction was just all weird, too.

She's so dramatic, packing her bags.

No, and she was like, Please. No, and she was like, Please. On the one hand, she's yelling at him, and then she's begging him to give it more time.

No, and then she was like, I knew it. I was right. Well, yeah, you spoke it into existence. You were right.

Congrats. You manifested this for yourself.

Yeah. Things you did, that.

Madison's next. Not that it's all her fault because Joe was just not- Because he was never into it. On the one hand, you're allowed to call off your engagement if it doesn't feel right. But he called off his engagement as imitations were going out. He's obviously cold-footed.

I feel like he's just been struggling since the beginning with not being attracted to her and not wanting to pull out because of that because it's just such a bad look. That happens every season. There's somebody who just cannot get past the looks but doesn't want to say it. They're just waiting for the other person to say it or just waiting till the very last minute. But then the reality starts to set in that you're inviting people to your wedding.

Yeah, but I think he's also annoyed by her. I think her personality is coming off more annoying than it did in the pods. It's unfortunate that he just has this history of having called off an engagement because he looks like an engagement call or offer.

Right, but this doesn't count. I don't count it.

Just saying.

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