Transcript of Food For Thought: Tuesday, February 4th, 2025

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to The Toast. And what is it? Oh, my God. No.

It's only the day of the Choose. I'm sorry to break that news to you.

It's jarring.

Yeah, it is Tuesday. It feels like it could be a little later in the week, but...

It feels like it should be a little later in the week.

But you know what? Let's acknowledge the space that we're in. It ain't Monday. Be grateful for It ain't Monday, and it's going to be a fantastic Tuesday if we decide it.

I'm wearing the sweater that you got me for Secret Santa.

I see that. I am so excited to see it.

They picked out a home and called it holiday house. If you're listening as a podcast for Secret Santa the year before this one. That would be 2023. Because you're not using the Royal's Rice of Coxedinia pillows.

Oh, I'm not.

Jackie. I got Jackie, and she got me Custom Stationary, which is such a good gift, which I can't lie, I haven't used because I haven't written something with my hand since 1972. And this what appears to be Taylor Swift merch, but it's not. It's a very cute custom Etsy store. If Taylor Swift sold merch for her house in Rhode Island, this is what she would sell. Yeah.

It's such a cute sweatshirt. I'm so glad you're wearing it. It is. There's nothing better than people enjoying your gifts.

I completely agree. Nothing worse than never seeing a gift that you got for someone. Yeah. Where in the world is that gift? You forget. Speaking of forgetting, today is an important day.

I Every day is an important day, but.

Because one year ago today on this show, we asked our listeners to remind us of something. Do you know what I'm talking about? No. Okay. Neither did I. I need to shout out the toaster who reminded me.

Legally Blonde, too?

No. Jackie, it is so random and so niche. Keeping up with sports? No. She submitted it anonymously, so I don't know her name. Okay. One year ago today, You know what? Let me pose it in a different way. When you think of the name Darius Rucker, what comes to mind?

I saw him perform once, wagon wheel, an icon.

In his personal life, Do you think he has any?

Do you why? Do you why?

So one year ago today, Darius Rucker was pulled over and arrested for two or three misdemeanors of driving with an expired registration, casual passing of a controlled substance, these really weird charges. You and I were fully convinced it was a conspiracy to take Darius down because everyone drives without a registry, and they don't get arrested for it. Registration, excuse me. We had asked... We said, This is not going to affect Darius's career. I bet in a year, we won't even remember that Darius Drucker got arrested. He had a mug shot and everything. Thank you to The Toaster, who reminded me it has been one entire year, and I had no idea what this girl was talking about. I had to go back and watch the episode of I was talking about Darius Rucker because I was so confused.

That is so funny. I definitely... There's a little sprinkle of like, What did Darius do?

But certainly- No, there's not. No, there's not.

No, but you asked me what I think of him, and I do feel like there's a sprinkle of what did Darius do, but it didn't affect the way I see Darius.

It could never affect the way that you and I see Darius. Yeah.

He still, to me is like the Wagon Wheel guy, legend.

Has it affected his career? America's Sweetheart.

Right.

Okay, so just wanted to remind everyone that... And it was so funny on the episode- And I hate to be the ones to bring it up. So on the episode, what we were saying is that it's such a conspiracy against Darius to take down a good man. And here we are perpetuating that- We reminded everyone.

We said everyone I forgot.

Last year. We made it news last year when honestly, it wasn't even newsworthy. And now here we are again, a year bringing it up. And we claim that we are what the best for Darius. We support Darius. And here we are. We are actively working against Darius's good name.

Okay, well, Now we also actively have to all bury it in our minds and move on. It's going to take mental fortitude to forget this once again, but we're going to forget.

Because to Darius's arrest record, I want to forgive you. That's your I'm going to say, I want to forgive her quote. And I want to forget you. It's such a good quote.

I love it. Do you say it every time?

I say it all the time. I said yesterday, It's such a good quote, and it's more relevant than ever. A, when you think about the context, Heidi and Spencer, we're literally still talking about Heidi and her to this day. But also sometimes, yeah, it's the best thing you can say to someone. Like, Yeah, I want to forgive you, but I want to forget you. It's almost like indifference.

Yeah, but it's like, If I'm going to forget you anyway, why do I have to forgive you? Why bother?

Yeah, and Lauren was hella dramatic because now we all know, in hindsight, there really wasn't much she needed to forgive Heidi for, just getting a boyfriend.

Then there's the sex tape stuff. I think they wronged her.

Yeah, well, I want to forgive her, and I want to forget her.

Yeah. Well, good, because it's the one you got.

It's a gargy-pargy day. It's Tuesday. A little programming update for the community, if I can just take a minute. So today's episode is very special. At the end of the regular episode- It's not only the one year anniversary of Darius Rucker getting in some legal trouble.

Forgetting it again. Now I'm going back to forgetting.

And it is the one year anniversary of Darius Rucker getting into some legal trouble. It's also a pargy day where we have a pargy episode. At the end of today's episode, my bestie, Brian Kelly, is on the episode. We recorded last week to talk about his new book, which is all travel. We ended up talking about Darcy Silva from 90 Day Fiance. But there's really good stuff in there. So it's at the end of today's episode instead of Dear Toaster. Dear Toaster has been moved to Thursday, which is usually a light day for us. So tomorrow will be our Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. Thursday will be Dear Toaster's, and Friday will be Queeny and Weanie. And Southern Charm.

Don't forget about Southern Charm. I'll never let you guys down.

I did forget about Southern Charm. I'm sorry. Oh, do we have a story?

Do we have what a story?

Page's comments.

Yes, we do.

Okay, because then I wanted to talk about it at the top of the show if we didn't.

We do have it as a story. And speaking of books, I finished my book for the Redheads last night. It was so good. We were recording today, and I'm so excited. And after all the turmoil of my choice this month, if you've been keeping up, I chose a book that just wasn't available. It's been really hard for you. And then I scrambled, and I chose this book. It all really worked out, and I'm so excited to record.

Jackie, everything happens for a reason. Yeah.

So I'm very excited to record the Redheads with my girlies, and you should read the book is all I'll say, but I'm not I'm going to push it on you.

I actually bought the book last night, and I didn't read a word of it, but I bought it. So that's the first step.

And I've now read two books this month. I'm getting back into reading, and it's going to take a little effort, but I think it's worth the effort.

I absolutely love that. I did something insane last night.

What did you do?

Jackie. What did you do? I did something crazy last night. Crack? Crazier. Meth? Crazier. I had a Napoleon Napoleon for dessert.

I thought you were going to say you watched Napoleon. That would be crazier.

No. It's more likely that I would eat a Napoleon than- Watch Napoleon. Anything else.

What a shame that that wasn't a good Napoleon biopic because I really feel like we could use one.

Yeah, Okay, can we get back to the dessert really quickly? Because I have this renaissance with it. I've never looked at a dessert menu. When you look at the dessert menu, what are you always looking for? What's your go-to safe option that if they have it, you'll just order it if you're doing dessert?

I like an apple pie. I like a toll house cookie, like a cookie cake thing. Like a skillet. A cookie in a skillet with vanilla ice cream. I don't really go for... I love the skillet. Someone else would order the brownie, and I would have a bite, but I would never order it. I wouldn't go for chocolate cake. I like carrot cake. I know that that's offensive to you.

It's deeply.

And That's about it. It has to be something super pargy, like caramel, vanilla, apple, yum.

I pretty much always will go for the warm chocolate cake at any restaurant, especially at a kosher restaurant. It's their specialty, a warm chocolate cake. When I was out to dinner last night, I was at a kosher restaurant, and they didn't have a warm chocolate cake, and I was ready to pass. But something in my pregnancy, it's like, I'm physically unable to move on without dessert. In lunch, dinner, breakfast, I have to have a sweet treat.

Baby wants dessert.

It's so true.

Baby was craving a Napoleon.

My friend Margaret was like, The Napoleon here is really good. I'm like, Okay, sure. I don't even know what a Napoleon is. I don't know why. I think of a Napoleon, and I think of that scene in Hannah Montana, but I know that that's a baked Alaska.

Baked Alaska is disgusting. I agree. It's so gross.

I I completely agree.

It's inedible. I know you get distracted by the flames, but the taste is disgusting.

I completely agree. It's what?

What is it? It's like liquor burned with marshmallow?

Yeah. It's a marshmallow liquor burn, for sure. Okay, that sounds right. So I was very apprehensive, I'm not going to lie. Like, a Napoleon just gives baked Alaska. And let me tell you, Jackie, I think you would love it. I can't recommend that next time you go out of it, if they have a Napoleon, just grab it. It's so light and fluffy and airy. It obviously wasn't enough, but it did satiate my sweet tooth for the moment.

It was delicious. I definitely had Napoleon before, and it reminds me of that cake from Chippreanie that we love, the top of it.

A little bit.

It's actually not similar at all. The top of that cake also ventures into baked Alaska territory sometimes when they hit with the flame torch too much.

I do feel like the vanilla lemon meringue cake from Chippreanie is in a league of its own when it comes to desserts. If any of our listeners are coming to New York anytime soon and they want to see the latest and greatest, I highly recommend getting the $30 piece of cake from Chippreanie. It's huge, by the way. You could split it with two or three people. It's probably the most... You know what?

Two people max.

I'm going to get it.

You should. I think it travels well. They're on caviar. Also, the good thing about Chippreanie is- I could get my fat ass up and go.

I could just go sit in the restaurant.

All the food there is also so good at every location. No, but that cake- They have high standards.

That cake is different. That cake, I don't know what they put in it. Crack. Honestly, we have to thank Brian Kelly for introducing us to it. Is that what happens? Do you remember when we had it for the first time?

When we went to his ball.

Yeah, he had a table at a charity event. Was it Amfar or something? Amfar. The caterer, that's so us.

When we were at Amfar, we just died on Chibriani.

The catering was Chibriani. The food was so good. It was pasta. By the end, we were like, Yeah, we'll try this cake. We were sitting with Heather McMahon, and we all took a bite, and we looked at each other, and we were like, Oh, my God. It's actual heroin. Yeah.

Now, every time we find ourselves at Chibriani, we have a piece of the cake, and it's so good. When I was pregnant, I would order from there once in a while as a sweet treat, and I would always get the cake, and it always hits.

That's so brilliant. I can't believe I just... I'm now thinking of that because over the weekend, I'm really in my sweets era. I ordered Magnolia bakery. I got a full piece of cake and two cupcakes. So good. It travels really well. So I've really been looking for delicious sweet treats. Of course, I have my 40 Carats frozen yogurt almost every single day. How did I not think of the Lemon Mourane cake?

You need to order that cookie that we got from that road PR package that one time. Do you remember that sprinkle cookie?

Yeah, of course I do. What company was it?

It was called Deluscious. I'm on their mailing list because I did place an order for them after Haley introduced us to that cookie. I'm not even a sprinkle cookie person. I don't like rainbow sprinkles. Yucky. The cookie was the best cookie we've ever had.

Do you see Melissa Gorgas launching her own line of sprinkle cookies, which I actually think it's a cute say idea, but I don't think it bodes well for the future of Real Hot Size of New Jersey. I actually saw Margaret Joseph's last Last week, or was that this week? No, last week, at Brian. Everything's coming back to Brian today at his book party. And I was like, What is going on with the show? She's like, I have no idea. If she had tea, she would tell me. And I wouldn't tell you guys, but I could say, She's like, I have no idea.

You just wouldn't say that there was nothing.

I wouldn't bring it up. She was like, I have heard nothing. We have no clue.

Nobody does. I did see the sprinkle cookies. Love that. I wonder what the operation looks like. Does she have a factory?

Or is it a collab with a local bakery?

And is it a family recipe? What's the recipe? Because wasn't the point of the sprinkle cookies that they were bought from the store?

Right. She brought me sprinkle cookies.

So I just like to know more.

And you know what? I've actually never had a Pinoli cookie. Cookie, which is what Theresa had preferred in that moment. I don't even know what those look like.

Now I need to Google a Pinoli.

I feel like it's those rainbow cookies. I feel like we're so good guys today, just talking about food the whole time. We also have to talk about the good By the way, Pinoli cookies are a traditional Italian treat originated in Sicily. They're almond and chewy. They look disgusting. Theresa is so wrong for this, by the way. How has nobody ever dug into what she's actually saying? While sprinkle cookies are not the best, they're very generic and whatever, they are amazing in comparison to what I'm looking at, this Pinoli cookie.

They're on gold belly. Maybe I'll send you some.

Please don't. I hate almonds. Even though I have heard that almond help with pregnancy heartburn, I don't think they're thinking you're going to eat it in a cookie. They're hoping that you'll eat them raw. But I can make my own way in this world.

Yeah, worth trying.

The Good Guys. Did you hear the big news? Josh. About Josh. His wife? Yeah. Yes, Josh's wife.

The pecs are expecting. They are expecting. Oh, that's cute.

They should have asked you for help with their captions because that's a good one.

I wouldn't have even thought of it. I have to live in the... It has to just come out of me. Marinate.

Josh is expecting his third child, and he told Ben on the podcast two weeks ago. And obviously, it's such an exciting time because we're both pregnant, the good guys and the good girls. Bringing Jewish babies into this world. But Josh was actually... And that's how I know Josh is a good friend, because he was like, I didn't want to even remotely have any step on Claudia's moment. And you know how much my moments mean to me because I'm an actual four-year-old. And I can't even tell you, that's the best gift he could have gotten me. He does not owe me any gifts. I don't want his registry, nothing. It was such a kind and thoughtful thing to say for the crazy person in your life, like myself. Right.

So did they delay when they I would have announced?

I don't know, but he delayed even telling Ben. He just wanted Ben to have his moment first-time dad. So thoughtful. I was actually taken aback by the generosity. That, to me, means a lot.

That's really, really sweet. Did they say gender? Based on gender?

They're not finding out.

Did they find out for their first two?

I don't know. Actually, I wanted to ask you a question because I was with my friend Rachel last night, and she's pregnant, and she doesn't know what she's having. She says, When you go to the ultrasound, do you see the penis? And I'm like, no.

The ultrasound tech can see it. And maybe if you have an expert eye where you know where to look, then maybe you could see it as a layperson. But no, a layperson, you don't even really know what you're looking at it. Sometimes they'll point and be like, that's the penis. But you would never know that that was the penis if they didn't tell you.

Okay, so that's what I said. I'm like, Rachel, no, I've never seen the penis in my life. You can tell the tech that you're not finding out, but she's like, I'm looking away during my scans. I'm like, no, look at You're not going to see it. It's not even like you'll be able to- She might think that she sees something, and then she'll think...

She might clue herself into something, and she could be wrong. I understand looking away so that you don't convince yourself of something.

No, because I'm sorry, what? They're going to have breasts if they're a girl? There's literally no way to see on a sonogram or any imaging if you're having a boy or a girl. I don't know. A little penis could be a fleck of something.

If you've been there before, now I've done two separate pregnancies of sonograms, every time they see the penis, they're like, Oh, that's a penis. Say next time I didn't want to know, but I knew what I was looking for, I might be able to figure it out. Or at the very least, I would think I knew.

That's what Josh said. He said that they're not finding out the gender until a nurse ruins it by accident. I think that happens a lot.

You also have to tell the nurse- I think that happens a lot. Because they might know, and then they'll just use pronouns. But I feel like they're trained to be like, Baby's doing this. Baby's doing that.

Yeah. Actually, my physical therapist was telling me a story about how she didn't want to know gender. And then literally at the ninth of the month, the doctor accidentally slipped a program.

Oh my goodness.

Yeah. Which it's seriously not the doctor's fault. How in the hell do you refer to this thing? It would you say it? I could totally understand how it happens, but that just sucks.

And when you were at the physical therapist, were you wearing your pants or no?

No, I'm never wearing my pants at physical therapy. I'm going today and I'm just going. It's crazy how I leave my house for an hour to get fingered, and I come back. And I I just waltz into my husband like nothing happened. It's seriously... But I do want to say my pelvic muscles are getting much stronger. Should we do our kegels together? Actually, I haven't done them today. Come on, ready? Okay. Relax. Uncross your legs.

Oh, that's hard for me.

Now we're going to inhale and relax our badge. Exhale and Kegel. That's one. That's two. That's three. That's four. You're not doing it. That's five. Yes, I am.

I don't see you breathing. I'm not a big breather. Ask Dr. Fox. He said I have a runner's pulse.

He's so overrated.

He says I have a runner's pulse.

You should... Oh, I'm so glad you brought that up.

They're going on 5K again?

The 5K is happening. They just announced it. It's in Florida. What? It's in Tampa. I did it last year. I think you have to do it. You and Zack do it together.

Okay. Like twist my arm. Okay.

Okay. I think you only have a month or two, though. Oh, no. I think it's in May.

That's fine. I can run a 5K. I mean, I could train and get- She doesn't need a full training like I did.

I could train together.

I could train to get a better time, but I could do it. So, yeah, maybe I'll go do it hobnob with some podcasters, rub elbows.

Jolly Roll is doing it again. And you can tell him how much you love that song.

You ain't nothing but a liar. I wonder who else is doing it. I need some friends. You know me, I'm so shy. They usually announce. I'm really so shy. I don't know if I could do it without you.

I had Josh and Ben by my side. Let's see. Big Bear. What was it called? 5k?

Big Bear. Two bears. Two Bear. One K.

Two Bear, 5K.

Two Bear, 5K.

Bear? Two Bear, 5K. I think that's what it's called. Yeah. Sometimes they announced which stars are going to be there. Jolly Roll?

Wait, when is it? When is it?

May fourth. May fourth.

Okay. That's enough time. Yeah, no. I just thought maybe I could sync up a trip to Tampa with something else I was planning to do out West.

Rascal Flatts.

Yeah.

I finally gave a proper listen to the Rascal Flats Jonas Brothers collab, and I have to say it's such a beautiful, inspiring song. I actually started getting a little teared up when I was listening to it the other day. It's as good as it should be. We put a lot of pressure on it because these are two important bands.

By the way, six people can't get one song.

And by the way, let me just say, I feel like I actually am consciously aware when I'm listening to the song, how many people are singing. It's a lot of cooks in the kitchen. It's a lot of voices. And I feel like nick maybe had a part in writing it or a part in making this happen, because he sings a little bit more than Joe, and he never sings more than Joe. These days, it's like Joe's the lead singer. We've just all accepted that. And I'm hearing a lot of nick.

Yeah. And then they got to compete with Gary, and it's like they thought they both are We're the number one guy in this group. And then Gary comes through, and it's like, children, sit down.

Let me show you how the big boys do it. It's a really beautiful song. I love it. It is really beautiful.

All the credit to the Rascal Flats.

And where is that Grammy? Do Rascal Flats have a Grammy?

Probably. I'm going to say probably. Like, Bless the Broken Road. God bless the Broken Road. God bless. They don't.

Four nominations, zero wins.

The Grammys are fucking disgusting. The Grammys are a disgusting enterprise. I don't know why we're surprised.

Why do we care? Who would want a Grammy, honestly? But based on how the discussing there, would you want something disgusting? No.

Would I want something that Rascal Flats don't have?

No. No. No. Damn. Oh, my God. How have we already been talking for 20 minutes? What did we talk about? Cookies, food. Oh, yeah. Okay. I need to write that down. I have to get that. Maybe you know what? I'm hosting a book I went tonight with Brian. I'm sorry. I'm being so annoying about my friend Brian. It's like, we get it, you have one friend. I'll be dressed this evening, and then I thought me and Ben would go to dinner. Maybe I'll go to Chibreone. I love that. And get myself the piece of cake.

Yum-oh.

Yum-oh, Jackie O. Yum-oh. I wonder if there's a Chippreanie down here.

Now you're making me hungry.

There's definitely one in Miami.

Except they have a salad there that I love that I've actually googled the recipe for and made myself. It's a simple salad, but with the dressing, Yeah, there's one in Miami.

Okay. I do have a hot take, and actually it reminds me of somebody I was talking about at dinner last night because we went to an Italian place that makes their own pasta. Cipriani is one of those Italian places that makes their own pasta. It's clearly not from a wholesaler. They have to make it with the dough. My friend Rachel, who I was just talking about, she married someone who grew up in Rome. He's a hardcore Italian. He's American now. But she was talking about the difference because pasta is so important to them. She was like, his name is Ben. Ben also really prefers boxed pasta over handmade because we were saying how like, handmade pasta is gross. When you go to a restaurant, if I see that they make their own pasta, I'm like, All right, I'll have the pizza. I don't like the texture is weird. I think a handmade pasta is gross.

She was saying this?

Yes.

I didn't know where the quote ended. I didn't know where the Rachel quote- I was expressing my feelings. Visa vis Ben ended.

There were a lot of quotes. I was quoting my own self, but then it was right after Rachel said, Even Ben, who's Italian, prefers it in the box.

Interesting. People really love making their own pasta. I figured I'll try it one day, but we don't really eat a lot of pasta around here, so it's not- I think it's a lot of work, and it's not that good.

It's lumpy.

I've heard it's worth it.

I don't think so. No shade to Shannon Ford because I know she makes her own pasta, and she's really excited about it. But if I ever come to her house, I want the blue box. What is it called? Burilla. I fucking love burilla.

Or De Chico.

No, I'm a burilla household.

These days, I'm a jovial girl.

I'm actually a jovial girl, too. But I'm also a Rayos girl. Rayos, this jarred sauce makes pasta.

Oh, I knew that.

It's fucking amazing. I had it the other night with meat balls. It's what it should be.

Understood. Yeah. Okay. Sorry, I just- Well, not to make you too hungry this morning.

Yeah, right. We are being so good guys, Coded.

We are being so good girls.

Yeah, we're so good girls. Should we rebrand? Come for their next.

Yeah.

Watch Watch out. Yeah.

First, their billboard, now they're next. No, after the graciousness and the grace that Josh gave me, he said, The good guys are on my good side for at least a month. Yeah, They are the good guys, after all. And he's in my favorite scene in my movie.

Correct.

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A lot of Super Bowl adjacent news today. This is the week we're ramping up towards the Super Bowl, and our first story is about Travis, Kelsey, and all the annoying questions that reporters are asking him in his pre-game interviews.

Wait, also So total sidebar. Did you see the Associated Press release a statement? I did. It was just apologizing for cutting short Babyface's interview. Oh, my God. I've never in my life felt compelled to leave a hate comment. I almost did. But I opened the comments and they took care of themselves. I was surprised the Associated Press left the comments on. People were... It was not... Not only was it not a good apology, it was a text. I don't need to hear from the AP. I want to hear from the girl. It was just very... And people were not... It was not sufficient for the community. People were so mad in the comments. That I didn't feel like I needed to leave a hate comment.

Yeah, I think people are super mad about it. And I mean, she apologized at the end of the show. What more do you actually want to see from her?

Nothing. I actually don't want to see anything from her. That's the point. This is what we're always talking about. Bring back entertainment journalists. You know who wouldn't have done this? Keltie Knight. It's an art. It's a skill set. Having just a young girl who maybe has a couple of followers, I don't know who this girl is, but I don't know where they're finding their talent. But because we throw journalism out the window when it comes to these red carpets, this is what you get.

Yeah. I think that's just she was doing it for her fans or whoever she thought was watching wanted to hear from Chapel Road, and they probably aren't offended by it. Okay, that's your community. Great. Great. Great. Travis Kelsi is naming his favorite Taylor Swift albums, staying tight-lipped about reputation TV, and also responding to questions about whether or not he's going to propose to Taylor during the halftime.

We had this conversation last year. I'm sure we'll have it again next year. The inappropriate cringe level that some of these reporters get to when they ask Travis questions about Taylor. Don't get me wrong, I want to hear about Taylor, too. There are ways to weave in certain questions, but the outright cringe nature of them should be a crime punishable by jail. Are you going to propose on the field? Yeah, I am. Here's my plan. You want to see a picture of the ring? Are you guys fucking kidding me?

He's obviously not going to propose during the half-time.

Obviously. Also, they're already engaged. You can't propose to somebody you're already engaged to.

Right. A Nickelodian reporter asked what his- Excuse me? A reporter for Nickelodian asked- Because they do that slime bowl, right?

Where you can watch the Super Bowl live on Nickelodian, but it's Patrick and Squidward playing. It's That's cute.

The reporter asked what Travis's favorite Taylor album is.

It's not a terrible question. It's not the most appropriate, but for Nickelodeon, it's fine. It's fine.

I actually thought he would have said 1989 because those are his favorite songs. But he said Tortured Poets Department. He said, Of course, I'm a little biased. I mean, that's the only one that's about him.

Let me tell you. Okay, Media Trained King. Tortured Poets is obviously the most recent album. We're still promoting it. It just got nominated for all these Grammys. That's a very strategic answer.

No, It's like, I wouldn't think that there would be a right answer. What's her favorite album? It's not a hard question. But this is the right answer because what are you to say that her best work was behind her? No, the thing that she just put out is the best thing ever. That would be so shady.

Not only that. Yeah, her best work was a song she read about Joe Jonas. No, bitch. It was about me.

Well, you know he loves 1989 because he loves those radio bops. It's so Travis. But this was the right answer, and it's about him.

And by the way, we didn't even talk about how when Taylor presented the Best Country Album Award, song that she walked out to from her TTPD album was So High School, which is so clearly a choice because that's not even the most popular song. It was on her single. Why wouldn't she walk out to Fortnite? That's what she was nominated for. Between the red dress, the T on her upper thigh, and then So High School.

She's married.

She's married.

Sometimes all the signs are right in front of us, and we're still speculating.

It's like, How can we not see?

He said he can neither confirm nor deny rep TV.

Yeah. What did we think he was going to spill the means? People really need to leave this man alone, dead seriously.

No, the questions are so crazy.

Jackie, I assure you, they're only going to get worse from here.

He also was raving about her homemade pop tarts.

Yeah, but he's talked about that once before. I was having deja vu reading this article.

Yeah, me I do. They must be really good.

I don't know. I had a homemade pop tart. No shade to Olivia O'Shery because I asked her to follow this recipe that I found on Instagram. They were fucking disgusting, really gross.

But maybe Taylor has a good one. Maybe she should drop the recipe.

She should share it.

She Like her cookie recipe that we made. Remember that?

We did?

On Patreon, we made Taylor's favorite cookies.

Oh my God, those chai. Right before midnights.

We totally fucked it up. We totally fucked up.

We didn't fuck up. Actually, the Instacart who delivered our groceries, ordered the About the wrong things.

Yes, and it was a brand sent it all to us, remember? No. Yes. I don't know which brand it was. It was in support of Taylor's new album. Maybe it was Instacart themselves. They sent a delivery. It was all the ingredients to make Taylor's favorite cookies. We're like, Okay, let's do it. You're right.

It was an Instacart campaign.

They didn't send chai spices, but they sent chai tea.

They sent chai tea. We cut open the bags.

We cut open the bags because we thought maybe those were We put some spice spices in there.

We put tea leaves in there. We made tea cookies. It's smart at the time. I don't think it's so dumb. No.

We also put them in the blender. This was before I started baking. I didn't know the different paddle attachment on the stand mixer. So we used the whisk instead of the dough whisk. They were a mess.

Available at patechia. Com/thetoast.

They did not turn out good. I also don't like chai. And it's no reflection on Taylor's recipe. Her recipe. I love CHAI.

I don't like CHAI.

I love chai. I don't know if you guys know that about me because I really deny- She's not like other girls. I deny myself chai lattes because it's an unnecessary calorie expenditure, but I love them. It's how you like vanilla beans. People don't know that about you.

Who doesn't like a vanilla bean frappucino from Starbucks? You know what? Maybe I'll get one today. They're so sugary. They're so fucking delicious.

They taste wrong.

Yeah, because, well, first of all, not us drinking them as kids thinking we were drinking coffee Yeah. And they are... I need to have one. I know what it tastes like. Even though it's been 15 years since I've had one, I could describe it. I know exactly what it tastes like.

Same with me and the chai lot Maybe we should just go.

Live life, throw caution to the wind, have a fucking vanilla bean.

I don't know. I think the come down would just be so bad.

It's like a 15-year hype.

No, I mean the come down from the sugar.

Sugar, of course.

The sugar high and the sugar low. Of course.

I just want to say back to Taylor's Homemade Pop Tarts. Pop Tarts themselves actually just had one because I'm clearly eating a lot of sugar these days. It's unbelievable. I know that pop tarts, the The brand name ones are the first thing RFK is going to take when he goes. I know that they're just the most horrible things for you and for kids. Let me tell you, it was worth every chemical. It was fucking delicious.

Yeah. I don't think they were the first to go. What do you think is the first? I don't know. I just watched this Super Bowl commercial for nerds with Shibuzie, and the commercial was amazing, but nerds.

I love to see Shibuzie out here making money from Big Candy.

All those dyes, all that sugar, like rotting your teeth It's rotting your brain. I love the commercial, and I don't even like nerds. I think they're nasty, and I think that they should be illegal.

I don't like nerds either. The fact that whenever Ben and I get candy, Ben always goes for nerds, gummy clusters.

And what the fuck is nerds rope?

It's gummy clusters in a rope form. They're so not even innovating over there at nerds HQ. I think classic nerds in a box, the loose... Seriously, what's the point?

What's the point?

I agree. I think nerds are the worst candy.

Agree, but I'm happy for Shibuzi that he's in a Super Bowl commercial, and he's singing It's a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong. It's quite pargy. Oh my God. But there's no amount of marketing that could get a nerd to taste good to me.

Okay, so nerds are clearly crushing it in the marketing department, but in the product development team really needs to step their pussies off.

In the factory, what could they even do? But I'm also, like I said, I'm not a sprinkles colors girl.

Yeah, I happen to like colorful sugary stuff. Nerds don't do it for me.

Yeah, We're talking so much about food this episode.

I wonder why. I had a balanced breakfast. I'm not particularly starving, more so than usual. I don't know.

Just when it rains, it pours.

It's that time of year.

Sometimes it's the Kardashian, sometimes it's Taylor and Travis, and sometimes it's food. It's food.

I love that. Well, I hope people really stop embarrassing themselves.

They won't. It's only Tuesday, and we've got six more days.

This week when it comes to Travis. I get it. I've never met either of them. I'm sure I would be a freak if I ever met either of them and got to ask them a question. But people really need to control themselves a little bit better around these two.

I agree.

Our next story- And by the way, they both handle it so well.

Him, especially, he's such a jokester. I don't think anything offends him, and it's really actually refreshing, but I'm offended on his behalf.

And he has to do, just by the nature of his job, a couple of press conferences a week. So he's just putting himself in the position of being asked stupid questions quite a bit. Taylor doesn't do interviews. It's all the questions you would want to ask Taylor that are stupid, you put them on Travis now. They've People have found an outlet.

I wonder if he has any threshold for when he would be bothered by these questions. Is there anything that they could ask that would just be too far? Because I'm sorry, are you going to propose during halftime? For me, that would be the line for me.

Yeah, that's such a good point. He's such a good sport about it. I'm sure if it's an inappropriate question... But sports doesn't do that. Sports is very PG. They're just weird. People are so weird, and they have no shame. It comes back to what we're always saying, bring back shame in media literacy.

Our next story, a little more Super Bowl news. All the performers. We haven't talked about National Anthem, America the Beautiful. So here is who is performing at the 2025 Super Bowl.

Oh, wait. I'm so excited. Yes.

So the National Anthem will be sung by John Batiste.

Okay, you know what? I think that has a lot of potential.

I'm not familiar with his work so much. That's crazy because I actually think- That's crazy because people love him.

You would love him, too. His vibe, I think that has a lot of potential. I'm not familiar with his work so much. That's crazy because I actually think you would love him, too. His vibe, I think that has a lot of potential. Heanist.

I look forward to the introduction.

There's a very famous popular book out that was actually written by his wife. I feel like you probably have seen or heard of it.

I'm on my way. I believe she had cancer. Does she go by Batiste as well?

I don't think so. Between Two Kingdoms.

She doesn't go by Batiste.

It's called Between Two Kingdoms.

Good Choice Awards for Best Memoir.

Yeah, I believe she had cancer. Oh, wow. And the book is about that.

And it's a memoir. That does sound good.

And I see it all the time, and then I found out that it's John Batiste's wife.

Wow.

Yeah, so random, but cute.

That is cute. Well, I'm looking forward to the performance then.

I fucking love that National That's the best part of the Super Bowl for me, seeing everyone cry.

Yeah, it's the best part.

When I watched the- So much pressure. The semifinals or whatever it's called, when the Chiefs ever almost crying. They just cut to these random players who I don't know, but I'm sure are really famous, and they just blink, and then a tear falls. Seriously, kill me. I'm so upset.

Yeah. I love it. No, I'm very excited. It's been really good the last few years. I feel like they do a good job of selecting people who have got the chop. I look forward to that. Then America the Beautiful will be performed by Trombone Shorty alongside Christian music singer Lauren Dagle.

I don't know who Trombone Shorty is.

His roots run deep in New Orleans as he's performed at the city's iconic Jazz Fest and the Super Bowl's in New Orleans. I'm sure.

Is he He's playing the trombone? Is that what it is?

I'm going to glean that he's playing the trombone as trombone shorty. I'm going to say that. And in this picture, he's playing a trombone.

I think it's a safe bet. Tapping a Christian music singer for a song like this is really parchey because it elicits the same soulful response, both songs. And Lauren Degle has an amazing voice. You say I am lost when I am falling in love. So good.

So good. And then Lift Every Voice and Sing will be performed by Ladee Cee, who is also a New Orleans native.

That's nice that they're showcasing hometown talent.

And John Matisse is a New Orleans native. So that's obviously the theme.

Oh, that's really nice. Yeah.

I look forward to seeing what everyone brings.

Yeah. Lots of pressure. A lot of pressure coming from me.

Yeah, totally agree. And then, as we know, Kendrick Lamar is the halftime show. Cis is coming out. And now I'm actually extra excited for Kendrick Lamar's halftime show, given that his song was so popular. It's true. I look forward to hearing it in the context.

Everything's coming up Kendrick.

It is. I finished watching some of the Grammys stuff last night.

Oh, yeah.

Because I told you guys I needed to watch Charlie XX because I feel like I'm really hard on her. And I'm not going off of that much material, just the things that I've seen. So I was like, the Grammys, that's best Charlie. And it's exactly what I think it is.

It's not It's not for you.

It's not for me, but she's very much for her. I don't think she's making music and planning her performances to cater to me.

No, it's like Club rat scene.

Yeah. And I was thinking back because they were doing an introduction of Brad, Brad Summer. And I was remembering why I have such a bad taste in my mouth from Brad. And it was because she said, Brad is about forgetting about your moral compass. Your moral compass. Out moral compass. And to me, that's where I leave you.

A moral compass This never goes out of style.

You can have fun. We're all going to go. This never goes out of style. You can have fun. You can be messy. It's true. Late nights. But we want to keep that compass intact. We do.

I have to tell you what's going on on TikTok. Alex Earle is doing the craziest thing.

What is she doing?

So one of her best friends, Sally, is turning 24. Alex Earle is a party girl.

Is Sally her real name? Or you're just calling her Sally? Yes. Okay. I feel like that's what we call people.

It gives pseudonym energy, but no, her name is Sally.

It gives Sexter Morgan.

She has decided for her 24th birthday, this last weekend, to celebrate, to commemorate her 24th birthday by throwing a 24-hour party.

I saw Alex Earle getting ready for a 24-hour party.

So they started at 7: 00 AM, and then they partied all day into the next morning. They went to brunch, they went to a club. She has been vlogging the experience, but not every minute of every hour. I need to know how I was a party girl in my day, but I had my limits. How the fuck do you do that? Drugs?

I don't know. Even just an Adderall?

Yeah, maybe an Adderall.

I'm not going to jacuzze Alex or anything, but an Adderall.

No, I would never. It's just, seriously, it's the craziest thing to be young.

Yeah, especially because alcohol makes you sleepy at a certain point.

Of course. Now, I have to imagine maybe in the morning hours, they were brunching, just doing like, mimosas. Maybe they weren't really drunk until that night. They were just a little buzz. That's the only way I think you could get through it.

Yeah. So the 24 hours are up, but Alex is posting the videos slowly-er?

Yes. And I think she's going to... She just launched a YouTube channel when TikTok was down, which was very smart I'm a part of her. So I imagine it'll all be on her long-form content.

So the day is done, but we haven't seen how it ends yet.

The day is done, and TikTok serves you content days later. So I'm just finally catching up with Alex Serrell's Weekend. And I seriously think it's the craziest thing ever. I can't get over it.

That is crazy, but that is really fun. A fun way to spend your 24th birthday and...

And make content.

And make content, except it's for Sally, who was just doing it for Sally's self.

Yeah.

Happy birthday, Sally.

Happy birthday to Sally.

Let me know how it ends.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our third story?

Yeah.

Paige DeSorba was clarifying her Craig Conover breakup timeline after baseless cheating rumors. So Paige is pissed, I would say.

I think so, too.

Paige set the record straight on the timeline of her breakup from ex Craig Conover after facing baseless cheating rumors. She said on the latest episode of Giggly Squad, I never in the three years that I dated my ex-boyfriend. I never physically cheated on him, emotionally cheated on him. Can you mentally cheat on him? I don't know, but I didn't, she said. She then clarified that her and Craig broke up one month before they announced their split in December 2024. She said, Since no one's sticking up for me on either side, I will say that Craig and I broke up Thanksgiving weekend, okay? That's at the end of November. Craig then went on and did press for Southern Charm, did whatever he needed to do, acting as if we were still together, and that was fine. I said that he could do that. He was processing in his own way. However, after Christmas passed, Paige noticed that Craig was presenting himself as single while on a trip, which led her to believe he was ready to announce their split. She claimed that she texted him to give him a heads up that she would be sharing the news on Giddly Squad to start moving forward.

She said, My text went unanswered. Fine. The breakup episode came out at the end of December. She said, The narrative surrounding their breakup took a turn really quickly as cheating rumors went viral. Despite recently being linked to a new man, the reality star stated that she is currently single. She said, Let me say this here and now. I did not move on with some new guy. I am single. I don't have a new boyfriend. I did not cheat on my ex-boyfriend. It was a full month that we were broken up, and I didn't say anything because even though we are public, there are certain things that I think should be remaining private, and he asked me not to say anything.

Okay. I feel bad for Paige, and I do want I want to tell her because she's very much at the center of this, right? As an outsider who consumes media chronically online, I can tell you, normal folks, we do not think you cheated. Do not worry. I think that this is playing in you because who wants to be pinted as a cheater when they're not? I want to tell you, nobody thinks that. Real ones never thought. The crazy bravo. Yes, for sure. I can only imagine what she has to deal with because when we were just talking about the AI-generated fake news, again, on Facebook, literally all about Craig and Page, it must be really fucking annoying, and I can sympathize with that. But I wanted her to know the true Normies out here, we don't think that. We never thought that. There was the Marcello thing, but it was quickly debunked. Normies with their heads above water. We got you. Nobody thinks you cheated on Craig.

No, real ones never thought she cheated on Craig, never thought there was any bad blood or bad behavior. And I'm glad to know this timeline because I would have assumed they broke up a week or two before the announcement. But a month is a long time. A lot can happen in a month. A lot of moving on can happen. So a month and say six weeks later was when she was at the Eagles game with the new I. That's when you're ready to maybe go on a date, especially if you are looking for something or even just looking for something fun. Just because she went to a football game with someone doesn't mean that that's her boyfriend.

Sometimes you just go on a date to get yourself out of the house. It's not the true love, and you're really not ready. Who fucking... Literally, she doesn't owe us an explanation as to her reasoning as to why she went on a date with someone. But the thing that makes me so sad about this, and I feel like this is the second time she said it, is she's clearly mad at Craig for not speaking out on her behalf. And she said that no one's sticking up for her on his side. That's the second time she said that. And I feel like the bad blood is really brewing between these two. What once was amicable, perhaps is not.

Yeah. I think she would like him to say, Page never cheated on me, even though I feel like when he said his statement, he... Again, people But the real ones know that he doesn't think that she cheated on him. Now, maybe some people need it to be explained to them again, but when he put out his statement, it all seemed amicable, and they broke up for the exact reasons why people thought they might not work out, which is that they don't work out.

But also, Craig hasn't spoken about it yet. He hasn't done an interview, and I'm sure he will. I'm sure he'll go on Watch Happens Live or something. So he hasn't had... I mean, he could have, yes, for sure, made an Instagram story telling people to fuck off, but he hasn't spoken his truth yet.

I think that- He posted that one Instagram story.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. But if they broke up because If he was cheating, that would have been when he...

He would have been mad, and he wasn't mad.

No, he wasn't mad, but he did want everyone to know that he got broken up with. That was his overall... That was the takeaway from that video. Was that like, Yeah, I'm sad because I got broken up with.

Yes, but if there was cheating, he would have said that. No, of course. By the way, because there was no cheating. Of course, because there was no cheating. So I feel like he made me think like... He didn't need to clear anything up because he shared his side of it on the stoop that day.

And I sympathize with Paige. I imagine it's so frustrating. Bravo, Fandam is really crazy, and they just make stuff up. And with something that's damaging to your character. Cheating is a pretty heinous allegation. So I want her to know, I understand why you had to speak out, but just know you didn't have to. We didn't think that. We never thought that about you.

No, we never, ever thought that. Disgraceful. So, yeah, things seem to be getting a little more contentious between the two of them. But you know what? Those are breakups. I feel like everyone has these ideas, and especially when the person might start dating someone next. That's when you really realize that it's over. And it's also really nice. I feel like the last two breakups that we were talking about between influencers, public figures was like- Breonna Chicken Fry. Brianna Chicken Fry, and Rachel and Matt. In both scenarios, they were both saying how they just wish they had time to process the breakup privately, and that would have made things easier on them despite being heartbroken. And it's like, this is that. They had a month, and that's all. I mean, a month would have been amazing for either of those people. They were asking for a day, couldn't get that. A day. Could I get that? Matt a week. A flight? So it is really nice that the hardest part of their breakup, which was the early days, that they were able to just go through it privately and deal with it on their own.

Yes. Also, I think it's interesting that you bring those two up. I like what Paige had said, because even though this has been playing out in the public eye, for the most part, what happened between them is kept private, as it should be. This is a three-year relationship that was the person you thought you were going to marry. Some things can and should be kept private. I feel like when we compare it to other breakups where people sit down on a podcast and tell everything that's ever happened in their relationship, especially with like, Brianna's Chicken Fright. We needed to know. She was not wrong for that. But I really respect what she had said and the choice to keep the majority of your relationship private. Just because you break up with someone doesn't mean that now everything that happened in your relationship is father for a podcast. You can still respect someone. Yeah, just because it didn't work out. And be mad at them. Be mad that it didn't work out. Be mad that they're not standing up for you. But still respect the integrity of the relationship by keeping the majority of it private.

And she's right for that. Very classey.

Agreed.

Not to say that anybody who does the opposite is wrong because I live for it, especially when the guy has truly wronged you. Like, Brianna Chicken Fry owed Zack Brian zero dollars. Zero anything, zero grace, zero privacy, zero respect. He He was an actual abuser. You don't get the courtesy of keeping the happenings of the relationship private when you're that big of a fucking animal.

She's not who we were talking about. No.

I'm not talking about anyone specifically, but I always Because you know what I was thinking about that? I'm so glad I just brought this up. I feel like a lot of people wanted to know what went down with Jason Tartick and Kaitlyn Bristol, and they never told us. And I actually really respect that. Even though so many people would want to know she has a podcast, it's good for views, it's good for business. I really respect that neither one of them... There was a couple of shady Instagram likes or whatever, but none of them sat down and did a tell all, neither of them. And I really respect that. Even though it didn't work out, this was a person you you were going to bed with, you were going to share a life with. It's okay to keep things private, barring some crazy abuse that everybody needs to know about.

Yeah, I totally agree. I don't know why there's this expectation or people feel like they need to share, but we're I don't need to know every fight and every out-of-pocket thing. Like, Pupbles fight. That was your love. We expect that you would fight.

Yeah, of course. Oh, my God. You don't want to see what goes down in my house.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yes.

Lily Collins is a new mama. Lily Collins shared her first photo. Mama. Mama. She shared her first photo with her daughter, Tuv, after secretly welcoming the newborn via surrogate. Tuv? Tuv. T-o-v-e.

I thought you were saying Tuv like bathtub, and honestly, I'm stealing it. That's my name.

Tuv. She welcomed the newborn via surrogate last month, so she had posted the other day that they had welcomed a baby via surrogate, and now she just posted a cute photo of her pushing a stroller with baby Tuv.

And this is just a great reminder that she is married to Charlie McDouwell, who has no relation to Andy McDouwell and Margaret Qualey, but does, on Mother's Day, post a picture of Andy McDouwell as a joke to confuse the internet. And I fell victim to his prank just last year.

Do you think now on Grandmother's Day, Lily Collins will post a Happy Grandmother's Day to Tuv's grandma?

Well, Lily doesn't get involved in the prank. It's exclusively a Charlie McDouwell thing. And so no, I don't. And also, you can't forget, actually, Tubs' grandfather, he's a neppo grandkid.

Let me tell you, I would never forget that Tubs' grandfather is Phil Collins. Just like when Gracie Abrams, God willing, as a child, one day, I'll never forget that that child's grandpa is JJ Abrams.

Yeah, Lily Collins is the Gracie Abrams of the acting industry. Right, literally. They are twins. They look exactly like. And their dads are both of equal caliber.

And some people, I forget that they... I'm always reminded, even I saw a story about Meryl Streep's Guided Age daughter. I'm like, Oh, right. That's Meryl Streep's daughter. Some people, I'm always just like, Oh, right. Lily and Gracie? Always.

You're still at the restaurant.

It's always JJ and Phil.

It will always be JJ and Phil, I don't know what that is.

What is that?

I think some people can eclipse... And I think that actually Andy McDoul was just talking about this, how she's officially a neppo mom because Margaret's in an Oscar nominated film. And I don't think Andy's career ever got to that level and how how she is to be the recipient of the benefits for Margaret's Fame now. It was very honest and very funny. So some people just truly eclipse it. They just get so famous that you can't even remember. Honestly, I also think it's sometimes their faces. You just can't not see the parent.

I don't know what it is because even Margaret, she's eclipsed, but I'll always remember. I don't need to be reminded. I'm always reminded that's Andy's daughter. So maybe some of them are just more fun facts than others. Maybe at my core, I don't think about Meryl Streep that much.

You don't.

And maybe I think about JJ Abrams more. No, I never saw lost.

No, but you think about Gracie more.

I guess. I guess it's a compliment. You're not thinking about Meryl Streep's daughter. It's a compliment then.

It's a sign of In my mind. Yes.

So anyways, this is really sweet for the whole Neppo family.

What was the story? Tuv. Oh, yeah. I like Billy Collins. Tuv McDonald. Even though that show is what's wrong with the world, I happen to really like her.

Tuff Jane McDowell. Pargie.

Obviously, she is Phil Collins's daughter. I've never seen a photo of them.

Google it. I'm sure there is one.

Like at her butt mitzvah or something. She's 16.

What does Phil Collins even look like?

Bald. Oh, wait. I just googled him. Yeah, he's bald. Classic.

Phil Collins.

He's also such an acclaimed musician. Obviously, I think of, And I see your true colors. But then also Lion King. Like, really just Tarzan.

Tarzan.

Right. Yeah, he's bald. Classic.

You'll be in my heart. That's my number one.

You could tell him he was handsome back in the day.

I mean, she's a beautiful girl.

They've played, by the way, plenty of photos together.

Not really so many recent ones.

No, not recent.

Not since Emily in Paris.

Oh, yeah. And she famously did that. You know how every year we talk about that Paris ball?

Yeah, she did that.

She was one of the Americans. She did that.

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Our fifth and final story, Katie Musgraves is speaking out after her viral reaction to losing Best Country album, Grammy to Beyoncé, has gone viral. So there's been a little like, post-grammy's drama, reaction videos, whatever. Now, Katie Musgraves went viral for looking like she was upset about losing the Grammy to Beyoncé. So I saw this headline before I saw the video. So I was like, oh, excited to see the stink face. Literally no such face in sight.

Well, I think she looked a little disappointed. And then also there's this TMZ video of her leaving the affair in her slippers. They're like, what do you think about losing the award to Beyoncé, and she just looks at the camera and gives a big thumbs up. People were really quick to assume this was a snub at Beyoncé. I think it wouldn't have had such a viral moment if she lost to Lanie Wilson or whatever. But I think a lot of people are defensive of Beyoncé. To be honest, I think she looked upset because she lost a Grammy. Everyone wants to win a Grammy. I think it was like, Kelsey Ballerini, actually, who said this at last year's CMAs. She got caught on camera losing with a stank face, and she released a statement. She was like, Yeah, I I wanted to win. She actually said, And I'm holding space for two things. I'm really happy for the person who won, but I also wanted to win. Why can't I think of myself for a second? It's like, Yeah, I would be upset, too.

I wanted to win. Right. Also, when I look at Casey's face, if this was really snub towards Beyoncé, it would be a different face to me. It looks like someone who's trying to smile, even though they might not be super happy. But that's not a snub. She's literally lightly smiling. I also think she just has one of those faces sometimes that looks mad when she's not. She does. Sometimes I have that face, too. My husband's always like, What's wrong? I'm like, What do you mean? I'm so happy.

Yeah, right. She definitely has one of those faces. But let's just say it is what it appears to be. I think that we need to normalize wanting to win things. I know we're supposed to say it's an honor to be nominated. I'm so happy for whoever won. But everybody's showing up there glitz and glammed out because they want to win, and they want to be acknowledged by their peers. I don't think it's a big deal to be upset. It's not a reflection that she didn't think Beyoncé should win. She thought she should win. Everybody thinks their shit's the Right.

So Casey told E-News in a statement about this. She said, her rep said, It's a sensationalistic false narrative meant to pit two talented female artists against each other. There was simply no scowel or expression made. That's where I am. I'm like, I literally don't see anything.

I saw it. I saw it live, and then I saw it afterwards, and I was like, Yeah, okay, maybe that's that. But okay, so she's what? Spoiler alert, human. She's- Just to know, if I get nominated for a Grammy and I don't win, I'm seriously crying and cursing out everyone and flipping the table.

I just want to say in the of Casey Musgrave, she looks happy and sad at the same time. Exactly. She tried to tell you that that's a real feeling, and some of you just can't understand that.

We weren't listening. She tried to tell you on her Grammy award-winning album for Album of the Year.

Yeah. I just saw she herself, Casey, has six Grammys. She's going to be okay.

She's totally fine. She has one album of the year. She won her eighth for Architect.

Architect was her eighth.

She's completely fine. A decorated artist.

She posted the notepad for the architect, when she started songwriting the first day, and you see some of the lyrics.

You need to bid on it at auction.

I literally do. First of all, the fact that it's a notepad. Amazon Basics, she used. You see at the top, it's like K. M, Shane McAnally. You see the idea of the song coming together, but also it's totally different than what the lyrics actually are. And there's an apple in the picture. Just literally, I know she posted that for me, and I just want to say, Casey, it means the world.

She needs to auction it off for charity, for victims of the fires or North Carolina, and you will contribute.

I will bid 100%.

One of my biggest regrets is, remember when I went to that Joan Rivers tribute and they were auctioning off for God's Love, We Deliver, the original note cards of her jokes? Yeah. I should have bought one, but $5,000 was really steep for an index card.

Yeah, I agree. But when it's for charity, you would make a big donation to charity.

But she had $70,000 of them. So if they were auctioning off a couple, they couldn't... And by the way, somebody bought the first one. The second one, they had to fake that one of the employees said, Yeah, because the auction was going poorly. And then the third, they decided to give away to somebody in the audience because it was going so poorly. Do $2,500, double the amount of people. You would have sold six of them instead of one. I'm still thinking about that auction. I'm so mad.

I'm sorry. Well, maybe at the next auction, you won't hesitate.

Maybe that's the lesson. I'll loosen the purse strings a little bit. I'm sorry, $5,000 for an index I draw the line. I'm actually an extremely financially prudent person.

Yeah, you are. Do people know that about you?

No, because it's all relative. You look at my life, it looks very glamorous, and it is. I have beautiful things. But I don't like to use the word frugal because I'm not frugal by any stretch of the imagination. But I think also compared to you, I'm frugal.

We have different philosophies. But what's a thesaurus for frugal?

No, I think the word financially prudent is a good... I'm just a little I'm conservative.

Careful, meticulous, prudent is here. Stingy.

I am not stingy, bitch.

This is thesaurus. Com. Thrifty.

I don't know. I just feel like if you own a Birkin, you can't call yourself financially prudent. Do you know what I mean?

They're a good investment.

Even though it's an investment. It's an investment. They go up over time. Yeah. Is that the end of the show?

That's the end of this part of the show. For now. That's the end of this part of the show. Yeah, this is top for now.

Let me just give a quick intro to the second half of the show. We're just getting started. Brian Kelly, founder of the Points guy. He wrote a book that comes out today. It's called How to Win at Travel. We just did the... Actually, a lot about parenting. What What's your philosophy on kids crying on planes? And other people who are rolling their eyes at it. Were you an adult before you had kids who would roll your eyes at a kid crying on the plane, and now you understand?

No. I would put my headphones in and realize that person's having a harder time than me, and I have the luxury of putting in noise canceling headphones, or you can even get free headphones from the flight attendant. I feel more bad for the parents than the people who are around it. Put your headphones on and watch your TV show. It's not so hard.

No. And I He said a lot about it. He was like, That baby has every right to be on the plane as much as you do. We both paid for the ticket. It was actually a really insightful conversation about all elements, like how to save money on travel.

Even if it's a lap infant, did he say? Like the baby is just like, reloading?

Yes. No. Jackie, he said, Aviation is public We all have equal rights to be on this plane. You're not more special because you're a childless parent, I mean, a childless person than I am. We're both equally right to be here. And he's like, The worst behavior I've seen on planes is from adults, not babies.

Yeah. I would just say Put your headphones on. The other person is having a much harder time than you.

But Chelsea's belt's on. Yeah. The right thing to do is help. If you can't be nice, just shut up. We talk about that. It's a fabulous interview, video and audio, so you don't have to go wherever. If you're listening, just keep listening. We will see you tomorrow for Hump Day.

Hump Day. Love you. Bye. We could try. Let's just be like, We're not even trying so hard. Love you.

No, we don't even want it.

No, I would hate if we got it because then all the fun would be over. Love you so much. Bye.

Welcome back to The Toast. It's full circle for me to be sitting here with, obviously, one of my favorite people in the world, of course, one of my best friends for life, but also somebody who I forget is deeply successful has a lot going on. He is a father of two, a daddy to many. It is Brianna, Marlene, Christine, Wakely, Gorgia Kelly.

Vargas.

It is Brian Kelly, literally You guys know him. He's a fan favorite here at The Toast. He is a frequent guest. He is the creator of The Points guy. And today, he is here as author. I like how you wear a black cashmere sweater. Very author of you. Very Steve Jobs.

Yes.

Yes.

How How does it feel to be a multi-hyphenate? When you became an author, did you notice a shift?

In my moral superiority, for sure. I wanted to talk to you about that because there are a lot of content creators, there are a lot of bloggers, but there aren't a lot of authors. I feel like having a physical thing when What we do is so digital. Having a physical thing that you come out with feels so different. I wanted to ask you, since you've now been doing press and people are referring to you now as an author, here to for you will be known as an author. How does that make you feel?

It feels really cool. I started the Point of the Point sky 15 years ago, I'm beyond proud of what it's become. Never was it meant to become- All of this. There's so many employees, millions of people. But having a book, I actually just right before this, I went to Barnes & Noble Union Square- The best. Where we will be doing our- Our event. Our event. Thank you for doing that. And I was walking through the store. By the way, it's popping. It is packed.

Books are back, Brian. Books are back.

It was so exciting. It makes me so excited to think that this book, which is going to be in every airport in America, Hudson News. Of course, I will. Bought a bunch. And people will buy this, hopefully for years to come. And that, to me, is so cool to be able to connect with the whole audience that the twisted Instagram algorithm isn't naturally, you know. Yeah, serving. But to have a physical book that's around. I'm so excited about it.

And I couldn't help but notice that your book was not only not dedicated to me, which was unique for sure. It was dedicated to Dean, which is so sweet. Dean is your son. He's literally the cuteest angel on Earth, but he's not your only son. And I think I on behalf of your newborn Cooper. When I say, what the fuck? What about Cooper?

I thought about this, but similar in the Jewish faith, where it is like very- Superstitius.

Shugana? Yeah. The word is like... Haram? No. Kanai Nahara. Yeah. That's it. Yeah.

So I didn't want it because I had to finish that in October, and he was born in December. And I'm like, that's a really... I just... Icky. You know? And plus, I'll just dedicate the next one to Cooper.

It's a thing when you're as multi-hypothet as we are.

Wait, where are you on your EGOT? Who do you think we'll get an EGOT first?

I'm 1,000 % me. One thing about Brian, actually, we've done so many things together. My voice. And we're going to talk about all the things we've done together. But we need to talk about your singing voice. I host a show with my sister, Jackie, who, up until I met you, had the worst singing voice I'd ever heard in my life.

She's great now.

She's not great now compared to you. You have the worst singing voice I've ever heard in my life. You have no rhythm. You have no pitch. Sing me a song, sing Taking chances by Céline Dion. What are you?

That's actually my worst nightmare. I have dreams where I'm on the American idol stage and they're like, go out and win it. And I'm like, what is it?

I have dreams like that, too, but they end really differently. Yeah, with your EGOT. Yeah, right. I think in terms of who's going to win an EGOT first.

No, but wait, I firmly believe, though, because your voice is a muscle and you can make it better. I sometimes think, and I'm a very competitive person, if I went into really deep vocal training courses, do you think I could be okay?

No, that's what I'm saying. I think you are actually too far gone. And there aren't a lot of people like that. That's what makes you different. That's what makes you special.

You can't be good at everything.

I actually have a good podcasting from when I hear and voice.

They're even more infirming. And doing my audiobook, which is available wherever you get your phone audiobooks. Yes, you tell them. It was so challenging to do an audiobook.

You honestly sitting in that booth, so hot.

But you can't do it all, and I'm okay with not being a singer.

Yeah, and you are so successful at everything you do. I know that this book is going to crush because it just is what the people need. But a funny thing about you is we have so much in common, and really from the minute that we met, we just got along swimmingly in a unique way. But there are some things about you I genuinely can't relate to because you are so successful and you want to keep working. I feel like you're always doing more. But meanwhile, when do you think you will seriously chill? Every time we talk, you're like, Maybe I'll slow down, and then you go and you're pitching a TV show, or maybe I'll slow down, or you go and write a book.

Well, I think it's interesting because I feel like I have slowed down a lot. When we first met, like pre-pandemic, when I was CEO of the Points guy, we were on just growing that business, traveling a ton, doing charity work. It's like I had this beautiful home in the Hamptons that I never slept in. So I feel like in the pandemic, when I slowed down, I got my farm, started horseback riding, had Dean. I do realize that I'm still... We're calling. To me, it seems like a lot less. And Even writing this book now, I'm in the honeymoon phase because I always... Promoting the book I'm so excited about. Writing this book was really... I have severe ADD. Yeah, yeah. And I wrote this. I couldn't just give this to a ghost writer to write.

This book has me- It's straight from your brain.

So I gave Like, the first five months of last year, even when I was in the Maldives, I was working on my book most of the time that I was on that trip. I went to Tokyo to see Taylor Swift. What people don't know is I was in my hotel room at the Amman working on the book. But now I'm I'm interested because I'm excited to write another. But the next one that I write, this book is like, this is a burger of real information to save you money on travel, flights. My next book, I want to take a, maybe do a little more visual. This is like 300 What do you need a picture book for the kids? I start the book off saying we're in the platinum era of travel. I actually think travel today is the best it's ever been for a lot of reasons. But I would like to almost do a Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous super luxury book.

Okay, well, that's what I wanted to ask you, because something so funny about your line of work and the success that you've had is you're afforded a luxurious lifestyle. And something funny about you is, because it's your job, you very rarely opt to fly private. And if I was you, and I'm sure you get opportunities all the time that it doesn't behoove you because you're always making content.

Because I have six horses. And if anyone is a horse girly out there-Dispensive. It's six mortgages plus two children, nannies. I mean, I work because I have to, Claudia.

It's so true. Listen, we're not here because we want to be.

A single dad who works two jobs. And your son, Dean, is extremely well-traveled. Sixteen countries in two years.

That's literally more countries than I have been to. That's fucking crazy.

And I love it for him. I mean, he's so charismatic, but I feel like he is the way he is because we've been traveling. From the beginning. I mean, his first international trip was Belize. Oh, my God.

I forgot that Dean was in Belize with us.

I remember we showed up at Newark Airport and he was in his little Duna.

And you were in your sitting deantcher.

Margot and Yes. I just remember the girls surrounding him that whole trip. He was so cute.

Well, you talk a lot about traveling with kids in the book. Yes. Your lifestyle has changed quite a bit from when you were just a single guy traveling, doing whatever you want, to now, you think about travel in a different way. You've always been thoughtful about it, but now it's quite different, and you're thinking of different things. Are you pre-boarding?

Yes. So pre-boarding, it depends. Now with the toddler who's two, I try to board that plane the last second. Really? As little time on the plane, the better. But because I travel with the nanny, I'll have them go on first sometimes or just to get things on the plane, and then I'll board last with Dean. But in the chapter, I learned a ton about traveling with kids when I When I started traveling with Dean, there's so many crazy rules. Your kid can fly in your lap for free. That's so crazy. But then some people will say... But then internationally, they don't even let you put babies in car seats because there's so much information as a parent to digest. So spelled it all out because it's terrible. Infants, especially, should not be in car seats for extended periods of time because they can literally die.

They asphyxiate.

I love the Duna, and I'm actually going to do a reel on this soon. The Duna is amazing because it turns from car seat to stroller to car seat. But the problem with the Duna is your child can be in that Duna for hours because you're not having to take them out when you go to a restaurant.

But he's not supposed to be in there, right? No.

And really, I mean, some people say you're supposed to take your newborn out every 30 minutes, which most people do not do.

Right, right. But there is a hasard. But the general rule of thumb is two hours.

In the book, I actually interview child safety, child passenger safety technicians. They're certified people that give their advice on what to do. But the bottom line is, as a parent, there's no cut and dry rule what's safest. Yeah.

You have to trust your gut.

Totally. And you know what's best for your kid. And I think just educating people with, here are your choices, the pros and cons. There's no one- Right.

So we have so many moms who listen, what is the one piece of wisdom you would impart on someone who's about to travel with their kid for the first time?

First thing I would tell you is, especially internationally, I know parents are nervous to travel. First of all, when kids are little, it's easy. Zero to one, it is so easy in general. Even if your baby cries, you feed it. Feed it, change it. They're not running anywhere. It's like when they become the 2-3 is tough because your child may want to run and you got to keep them. But what I say is the flight will always be over. That is the one constant. You'll get over it.

Sometimes it feels like it won't, though.

And the memories love the trip, even if your child can't remember the trip, I firmly believe children are smarter than we give them credit for, and I believe experiences embed in them. So I say take the trip. And also, most countries are way more child friendly than the US. Really? Europe, for example, when you land- What's the most child friendly country? Well, Portugal. When you land in Portugal, if you have a small child, they'll take you to the front of the immigration line. In Europe, in Italy, you'll go and they have family security lines that have no lines so you don't have to wait in line.

That's so crazy. I didn't know that. Yeah.

In Ibiza this past summer, where the woman was nursing her newborn at the hottest restaurant in town at 10: 00 PM. No one batted an eye.

That's what they're going to be me. Seriously. Titty's out for the boys.

Oh, my God. My mind is racing. So to parents, It can be overwhelming. I get it. Only travel when you want. But I push people and so many... I like being a role model for people to show people it can be done. And yes, I have a nanny. I'm not trying to pretend like I'm a superhero as a single dad. But traveling with your kids can be incredible.

Yeah, just a lot.

I just like to be a positive narrative because I find with the whole parenting world, and I get it, there's a lot of exhausted parents. I'm not trying to downplay that, but it's also amazing. I took Dean on safari.

Jackie talks about that a lot, about how modern media, whether it's TV shows or even influencers who keep it real, it's so overwhelmingly negative. And I think that a lot of young girls and guys who become parents find there's so much more joy in it than was explained to you. You're always told about the hard parts, but the joy is underrated. So I love that that's what you lead with because I think we need more of that.

In your memory, I have... I like Dean when we went to the Maldives and I sat in the white sand, just me and him, and just the waves are coming over us, and he's in my legs, and I'll remember that moment forever. It was just so many good memories. And yes, he's cried on flights. He's in like, toddler's throw things, the whole a car across business class. But in the end, you have a right to be on that plane.

And I say in the book-Oh, we need to talk about that.

Flights are public transportation. So if you want to control the manifest who flies on an aircraft, you got a charter, honey. So everyone, you are taking public transit. Even if you bought a business class ticket, it does not give you the right to say who deserves to be on this plane and where they're sitting.

This is big conversation on social media. Kids on planes, kids crying on planes. I think when my sisters became parents, I immediately became way more sympathetic. I never would be someone who would visibly roll my eyes, but I would whisper to Ben, Get this fucking kid out of here. Now I find myself having a lot more patience, always giving a sympathetic look or something, because I think that people can be really mean. At the end of the day, like, bitch, we pay the same price for this ticket. Like, eat my ass. Yeah. You know?

I think, and as travelers, get noise canceling headphones. There's going to be crying babies. By the way, I've traveled a lot. I have been way more inconvenienced by drunk idiots on planes, causing issues. Adults cause more issues than babies. It's so true. I did just have compassion. Like, help a pregnant woman who has bags. I see. Help them put things in the overhead bin. And don't just assume. Like, have good intent. Don't assume every baby's crying because their parents are doing nothing. Of course. I'm so tired of that narrative. Babies cry. Being a parent, you can have the best kid who does crazy things and is inconsolable, has nothing to do with your parenting. It's so true. Stop thinking so negative and maybe help the people out. It takes a village. Even just smiling Looking at a parent who's clearly overwhelmed in a flight, that helps you more than talking crap in your head.

It helps them just relief the stress.

Talking crap in your head because smiling at them, Hey, do you need a hand? I got you. A simple thing like that to a parent can help bring their stress level down, which then in part helps. So help yourself by being nice. That's across the board in travel.

The point of when she passengers, adult passengers, being more inconveniencing than babies is so true. Some of the worst people I've ever met have been on airplanes. Totally. Insane human beings. And that's love about you. You're really capable of such depth when you're talking about parenthood. And even the way you talk about travel, I know it means a lot to you when you meet people because when you go to an airport lounge, it's like me going to a kosher restaurant. It's where your people are at. And you are a star. And I've been lucky enough to experience it where people come up to you. And it's not they don't just say, Hey, I love your work. They say, Oh, my God, I took this trip with my dad before he died. It's so meaningful. And I know that you take it so seriously. You're capable of such depth. But I also have gotten to know you on a really deep level. The real me. They don't even know. They don't even know. Brianna Marlene, Christine Wakhili Kelly. You are one of the most fun people I've ever met in my life. I feel like that's because you are so well-traveled.

You've seen such things. And to travel with you, I have to tell you, it's such a privilege. The way I used to vacation, even just with Ben, and now when me and Ben go do something, I travel differently. I'm so much more open to things. You really are so much fun. I think it is connected to the things you've seen.

Yeah, I think as we all travel more and you get the bigger picture, I think it does help us all become better people.

A thousand %. And the best part about you is you are who you are, but we have a lot of similarities. We're both obsessed with reality TV and celebrity culture. Abby Lee Miller is both of our idols.

Aldc. We met.

We met because of Abby Lee.

Abby Lee Miller connected us, connected us.

Yeah, in a spiritual sense.

She didn't actually introduce us. I think one of our first DMs was me commenting...

Regarding Abby Lee Miller.

Aldc.

Regarding the matter of Abby Lee.

So I may not be a good dancer. I may not be a good singer, but I'm a great dancer.

You are a great dancer. And where did you learn that? At the Abby Lee Dance Company?

I learned it with you in Puerto Vallarta.

One thousand %. Or no, Porto. Punta Mita. Punta Mita. That was fun. No, we've had so many fun trips and so many people who ever meet you, and people who meet you love you, but What's so interesting is one of my favorite things, and hopefully everyone one day gets a chance to go through your Instagram DMs, because the people that DM you just asking for random travel tips.

I respond to tons of DMs.

No, but I'm talking about celebrities. Celebrities are obsessed with boys.

This celebrity we met on the way to Punta Mita that I was like, oh, I don't even remember. We had a little bit of a boosy flight.

Oh, we had a boosy flight to Houston.

Asian male actor.

Yeah. Was he on the flight to Houston or the flight to Mexico? I don't know. He was like- Because we had margaritas in the middle, and I got in trouble for vaping in the United Airlines. In the Lounge.

In the Centurian Lounge.

They were like, Seriously, so... They were like, Are you vaping? I'm like, Yeah. They acted like I was doing meth. Like, Calm down.

Claudia, you're vaping. You were so brazen. I know. Going to bars with you. You wouldn't even hide it. You'd puff it into the air. What's to hide?

It's electric.

And then you would... It's electric. You would act aggrieved. You've gotten kicked out of bars.

I've gotten kicked out of facilities.

Sneaked back, snuck back in.

Me and that vape, although those days are behind me, I'm about to enter my motherhood phase, that girl is That girl lives inside me forever, and I know she will return.

I mean, that... Yeah.

No, we've lived. And so the funny part is how many people are so invested in points and travel and the hacks that you give and the celebrities, reality stars that enter your DMs and who you end I'm trekking up friendships with because you are this really fun, fabulous guy. It's probably one of my favorite parts about you. Now, tell me about the Silva sisters.

Darcy and Stacey.

If you guys don't know, by the way, what TLC show did they originally start at?

90 Day Fiance. Okay. So Darcy was on 90 Day Fiance. She just opened her heart looking for love. We've all been there. So I got deep into 90 Day Fiance, probably circa 2018. And that was when we were doing big TPG awards, and they would always say, what celebrity should we invite to the awards? I'm Frankly, most A-list celebrities are not coming to a travel website.

They need to be paid like, handsome way.

We didn't have a budget, but we were like... Let's invite. So then, I mean, Darcy Silva is an iconic queen, and I would just DM them. I'd be like, Hey, girl. Hey. And she It's like, oh, my God. And I could just tell she needs love. And she's so sweet. She DM me. So she came to the first TPG Awards.

Very nice.

And then she had a couple of drinks and she came into my green room. And at one point, she's like, I just need a guy like you, and just starts crying on my lap. There's a photo of her because she's known for crying on the show because she's just looking for real love.

Yeah, aren't we?

So that was definitely like, I've made it moment. When Darcy Silva, she smells really good.

Who is the most famous person who you found out reads the website or follows your work and uses your tips? Because I always feel like rich people didn't do stuff like that, but they love saving money.

Ricky Martin is one. Wow. Yeah, he... That's huge. Yeah, I've met him several times. I mean, Martha Stewart. Everyone thinks she travels private. Martha is a commercial queen, and I help her team out quite a bit. I help her get the best flights to make sure she's taken care of.

What matters to Martha? She's an aisle, a window. What does she prefer?

She's a window girly. Small bladder. She's actually very low maintenance. We went to Greenland and we only flew economy. She was not a diva. She's very well-traveled. She's very inquisitive. She's very engaged. When we were touring little towns in Greenland together, she would go talk to local people. That's the question. Yeah, she's very, very inquisitive. I mean, she means it when she says, learn something new every day or it's like, or something-Oh, yeah, that's her thing. Keep learning or die.

She says, every day you should acquire- She's a really fun person to travel with.

Yeah, Martha- What about that podcaster Claudia Ashae?

Would do you like to travel with?

Well, when we eat rotten fish on the airline and go viral in Israel.

Brian and I were on Israeli news. It literally went so viral. We did like a taste test of salmon. They were serving salmon in LL first class. It was not good.

For any aviation girlies It was a big deal. Ll had a 747. It was not the most... It was cold. Yeah, but an iconic queen of the skies. It was retiring, right? Two queens in the sky on the. But they served our food, and it was rancid.

It was salmon. We shouldn't have ordered it.

There was a vlog episode out there somewhere.

Yeah, we were filming the entire time.

I think I said I would pay you $500, and I never paid you, did I?

Listen, the amount of things you paid for, we're square. We are so even. Don't go down that road because I'll end up owing you money.

So back to the Silver Sisters. So Darcy is a queen. We love her. And then I think the next year she brought Stacey. Of course. Now Darcy and Stacey have their spin off. And I think they finally found men.

And they went to Turkey.

They've had a lot of work done.

That's putting it mildly.

Definite transformation. They get so Which I hate on their Instagram, but they are nice girls.

By the way, that was what was really shocking because I wasn't a TLC girly, and you put me onto that show along with Locked Up Abroad, which we need to talk about briefly. But I started watching their show.

Oh, Love After Lockup is a new one. Have you watched that?

No, I don't watch Love After Lockup. Better than Locked Up Broad?

Different. Love After Lockups got a lot of unique characters, and we love a unique... We do. It's about people who date people in prison. Right.

During or after prison.

The show starts where they're about to get out of prison. Got it. Okay. And the intricacies of our dynamic, halfway houses.

Right. Country visits.

Yeah. Will the prisoner who comes out, will they revert back to their old ways, which they do 11 out of 10 times? Yeah.

Well, Brian and I spent a whole weekend literally watching every episode ever made of the show called Locked Up Abroad. I couldn't even tell you what channel it was on. It was seriously giving lifetime dramatization. It was true stories, but it was recreated in this very dramatic version of people who had been locked up for committing crimes in different countries and how the prison systems in all these different countries are so Wackadoodle. Not that the American one is so great, but it's so crazy, mostly for drug mules and trying to bring drugs.

The stories in that show are about mules who hit a hard time in life, and then some shady person comes in who's a drug- Takes advantage of Whatever. Yeah. But the stories are wild.

Some of the people- Have you ever run into any law enforcement issues in another country? Like, almost gotten arrested or anything? No, I've gotten shot at twice. Yes, you have. In Brazil.

That's an over-dramatization. You've been near a shooting. I have been adjacent to really terrible shootings. I mean, someone died at the one in Belize on the other side of the street as me. I wasn't there. You guys were in Belize, but you were at the hotel that night. I was feeling a little tired. We were just walking through. I was feeling a little tired. That was really... We actually had to hide in a store behind a clothing rack. She was an American girl.

It was really sad that her was an American girl. It was really sad. So sad. It was like, he was pain-priced.

I saw the gun. I saw the guy. And then in Brazil, I was there for Carnival, and I was filming a vlog. And I had a security guard with me because we had camera equipment on the streets of Rio. We were having so much fun. And they literally, the footage is somewhere. It's like, Brian, what do you think of Rio Carnival? I'm like, it's amazing. And I was dressed as a pharro and just pop, pop, pop. And everyone, it was like 10 of us. We had to scream. Everyone was running across the city. It was really scary. And the security guard that I had, he was actually like an ex-marine, and he goes, run, run, and he's got his arm around me, and he's like, We keep hearing the shots. It means you're not dead. Go.

Oh my God, that's good advice.

Honestly?

Yeah, if you can hear, you can run.

I remember thinking that- In that moment. I actually had a drink with me. We were drinking on the street, and I'm so against littering. I remember he's like, Put the drink down.

Just throw the drink on the floor. Throw the drink on the floor.

I'm a good kid.

You are such a good kid, and the book is so good. The book comes, so this episode is being released the same day as your book, which is so fabulous. The book is out now, and In three words, tell me how it feels to be a published author.

Cute and smart.

I love that, but that's two words.

It's cute, smart Darcy.

I think that that's the title of today's episode.

It's Darcy with an E for whoever titles it.

It's true. Brian, where can people pick up the book?

Anywhere you get books. If you're in your next Hudson news in the airport.

Sorry, wait. We just really quickly didn't even talk about the people who gave blurbs for the back of your book. It's crazy because you're my friend and we get twisted together, and it's like, that's how I know you. But I forget that you are friends with Whoopy Goldberg, Kelly Rippa, Martha Stewart. These are all people. Can you tell me? Because I had written a book, I asked you to write a blurb. Thanks for asking me to write one, bitch. And the amount of... You feel awkward asking people, right? How do you go about asking these types of people to give a blurb for your book?

Whoopie, I interviewed in the book, by the way, If you have a fear of flying, that's one of the top questions I get asked. I dive deep into the science behind fear flying. I interviewed Lays, my friend Frequent Flyer, who was literally in a plane crash. She was in a plane crash.

Was it Emirates?

No, it was actually her dad became a pilot. He was a famous doctor. He was like, oh, and the first flight, her mom brought too much luggage on, and they crashed into a swamp. Luckily, they all survived. Oh my God. She had severe fear flying. Whoopie Goldberg saw a plane crash in the '70s. She was actually fined for several years, and one day had a crazy nightmare. And then... So Anyway, so I interviewed Whoopie for the book. She's actually a fan of TPG, her and her manager. I mean, I've been helping them travel for years. I've been on The View. So I interviewed her, and she was so gracious with her time. So then afterwards, I just asked her for the blurb, and they were happy to do it. Right, right.

She was already involved.

Martha, I mean, I've helped Martha travel around the world. I mean, it's easy to ask for a blurb when you've done a lot of favors.

It's true.

I've been on Kelly Ripa's show like 20 times now. Yeah. And hers was really funny because she like... Read the blurb from hers.

Listen to the travel expert, Brian Kelly. He clearly got the most leg room.

She was like, Does that make sense? I'm like, Oh, it's perfect. It's perfect.

It's literally perfect. The book is so good. You have a website where you can buy all of the books.

Howtowinnittravel. Com.

Howtowinnittravel. Com.

Where are you got books? Amazon, eBook, audiobook. He's national.

He's national. Don't worry about it. You were reading the audiobook?

I read the audiobook 11 and a half hours.

Did you lead? Did you put on a little bit of a- I did a little Lou-Anne voice.

A little Lou.

Give me a sample.

What do you say to taking chances?

Brian, in your professional opinion, does money buy you class?

No, but it can buy first class. Boom.

You guys, enjoy the book. It's so fabulous. Brian, I love you very much. Thank you for being here, guys. Thank you for listening, and we'll see you tomorrow. Bye.