Transcript of The Philadelphia Chips: Tuesday, February 11th, 2025

Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Tuesday. My girl is back. She's back to black. She's an all-black living in Florida. Hey, Jacks, how are you doing?

Hi, Turdaloo. Yes, I'm in all black because I'm wearing a whole new outfit. I feel brand new, one, because I'm wearing new clothes, but two, because I'm feeling so much better. I'm really over the hump of the flu. Like tomorrow, I feel like I'll feel 100% today. I'm like 95 But no complaints, considering where I came from. Then while I was sick, some clothing deliveries had arrived. I was finally able to try them on today, and I'm obsessed. This is the bodysuit T-shirt I was telling everyone about. It's everything and more, no midriff, No midriff, no problem.

Isn't it just one of those days where you're feeling extreme gratitude for your health? Like little things you used to take for granted, just breathing through your nose.

I know. I was thinking about that because that's always what you say when you're sick. You're like, I'll never miss breathing through my nose.

No, we really take for granted, just feeling decent.

For me, what I will appreciate is just my ability to do things, to get things done, to stand up, to cook, to just have a little bit of strength. I will not take that for granted. Sometimes when I'm feeling good, aka normal, I'm just like, acknowledge the space. Because you know me, I'm always bogged down by something, migraine, whatever it is.

Acknowledge the space.

When something's not ailing me, it's so pargy. And we have to ATS.

Speaking of cooking, just quick segue. I spent all day in the kitchen yesterday making muffins, but mostly making content for the Patreon. Jacky had this fab title for a new series we're going to start calling barefoot conturdy. As you guys know, I've actually never successfully cooked something in my life to completion, even if it's edible, which most of the time it's not. It's never right. It's never right.

It's so crazy. And you'll follow a recipe, and you'll give it your all, and something goes I'm so terribly wrong.

Yeah. So in my nesting journey, but also I was just being like, really, I've been craving a chocolate chip muffin for the last couple of days, and I bought all the ingredients. So Jack was like, You should vlog it. And I knew that if I vlogged it, I would have to make the muffins right. So it was almost like an impetus for me to get the muffins, correct? It was accountable. It was so funny. I cooked them for me and Ben. The vlog is up on Patreon now. I don't want to spoil how the muffins turned out, so you'll just have to tune in to find out. But all that to say, I had one for breakfast this That bodes well. Yeah. I'm loving this new show. The Bearfoot Conterny. The Bearfoot Conterny.

Yeah.

It sounds like Spanish. I'm barefoot conterny. Right.

With turdy. But then us real ones know You're not the barefoot contessa. I'm the barefoot conturdy.

It was honestly... I thought it was maybe going to be a one-off vlog, but then Jackie came up with this fabulous series, and it's giving quarterly installment.

It's totally giving series regular.

People are loving it. They're saying, I'm the most amazing chef. I'm literally made for the Food Network. I think BSC should watch his fucking back.

Do you think he's quaking a little bit? A little bit quake?

I made 12 muffins. Now, I have to be honest, I gave one to our dog, Walker, because I had so many. So let's say I had eleven.

Did you give one to Olive and Butters?

No, no, no, no. They're Chocolate, Jackie. I had eleven muffins, okay? As of this morning, there were three left. And Ben, we tried to do the math last night. It was hard because we were picking at them. Ben ate about in one day, seven muffins. And this is also a person who actually just started Mounjarro the week before. So it's- Can you imagine how many would have eaten? It was a test of the efficacy of Mounjarro, in which it failed.

Why? You could have eaten all of them.

He basically did. But I don't get any. I had one and a half, and then I had another one this morning, so we have two left.

So is he more so quaking that you're coming for his culinary throne or that you're bringing all this talent into the house and he's going to be eating more?

No, I don't think he really cares more about even having competition in terms of in the kitchen, because Ben is going to be a better cook than me till the day. I could practice every day for the rest of my life. I think it's more so about having another culinary creator.

Just having a lot of food. Oh, you mean the content? The content. The content. Yeah, that's what I meant. It's all one in the same. Yeah.

And I was just thinking because baking muffins is such a comfort creator thing to do, right? Like your favorite YouTubers just make muffins. But there was absolutely nothing comforting about my video. It was just we were on edge. It was really chaotic. So I was giving... Some people are comfort creators, and I realized I'm a chaos creator.

You're the anti-comfort creator. You're the influence Yes. Chaos Creator. I love that. And I feel like you like chaos creation, like mookbongs. I do. Are chaos creations.

Except let me tell you, baking, and it took a long time because I was being really thorough, my back will never recover. I You almost pulled up a barstool to finish cooking. My back was killing me. Not for the faint of heart.

It's a flaw in the system that you really can't sit while you cook.

Now, I understand in my Big Fat Greek wedding, when she's always sitting at a barstool by the kitchen sink peeling potatoes, especially Like, like a potato's hovering over a kitchen garbage. It's back-breaking work.

Yeah. That's one where you could schedule a break, but not even... They should make some contraption. Because if you're over the stove, you cannot sit. They should make us something.

I was also waiting to post a vlog to see people telling me, Hey, turdy, you did this wrong. And for the most part, nobody said that, although there is a conspiracy there, because I was having a really hard time telling a part, which was the flour, which was the salt, which was the sugar, because I put them all in these stupid esthetic containers, and I didn't label them. So I knew the flour. The flour is so easy because it's like... But the sugar and the salt, I was like, I don't know. They're really giving such similar energy. And then somebody made the amazing point I might have actually, instead of sugar, used protein powder. A couple of people, that's like a running theory amongst the community.

They're protein muffins.

I know because they did taste a little healthy, in which case then I made sugar-free muffins.

But how did you use protein powder? In your house, they're in fancy esthetic containers that are labeled?

A couple of months ago, not right after, but after I found out I was pregnant before I could tell people, I was feeling like doing projects around the house. I was really feeling like I need to make my home- Nasty Lou. Yeah. And one of the things I did, and this was months ago, was me and Ben went to Bloomingdale's. We bought all new pots and pans, new knives. We really wanted the kitchen to be part of you. We cleaned out all the cabinets. And one of the things I did was buy those- OXXO containers. Oxxo containers. And I just put... I don't even remember what I put in there, and I didn't label it. So it's entirely possible I made either salt muffins, protein powder muffins, or sugar muffins.

I don't know. Salt muffins, love.

Yeah, salt muffins.

Love your salt muffins.

It's Tuesday. I meant to tell you. You know we have dear toaster today.

I know.

They're really good. We're wearing complementary outfits. Not complementary, what's the word? I should be wearing your outfit, and you should be wearing mine.

Totally. Yours is so mean. This is so you... But, club, you can't see, but these are barrel jeans. Oh my God. I got Barrel jeans. You'll see on my Instagram stories, check me out later. They're so sickening.

Barrelina Farms?

I look so awesome.

You do look great. No, you can't even...

I don't even need comments because I know you can't really see me and you can't appreciate the barrel nature of my outfit, but I'm a barrel chesty freedom fighter, okay?

Oh my God. I was actually thinking this morning about Jersey Shore as a concept because Ben weirdly came in and was like, G-Unit. I was like, What are you talking about? Then we just went down a rabbit hole of that band that 50 Cent was a part of. But when I think of G-Unit, I think of Unit. I think of that guy from Jersey Shore who was Mike's friend and Snoki didn't want him to come because he knew Snoki's big bad secret. I feel like as a culture, we don't talk enough about that conspiracy theory that Mike had started, that him and Snoki slept together while she was with Gianni. He was telling the truth.

Probably, but that's none of our business.

100%, 100%. But we wrote for her so hard. America wrote for her so hard that we didn't care about the validity of the statement.

I don't even remember this time, but you telling it to me now, it's like, I don't care if they did or they didn't. It's not about Mike being a liar. It's about Mike being a shit starter.

Yeah, no. He tortured her with it over two years with whisper it in her ear and just threatened to release the tapes. There weren't tapes. You know what I mean? And Unit was there. Remember that was Mike's friend who really knew the truth? I was just thinking about that this morning. Those were the days.

Those were the days. But I have just one thing more to say about my barrel pants. Yeah, please. Bring it back. I actually don't think I look that much different to myself because I always judge how different my outfits are based on Zack's reaction. The one time I wore those jeans and a T-shirt, he literally dropped to the floor in In the kitchen?

Yeah.

He literally was like, Can I have a hug? He was like, Who is this person?

Oh my God, he wanted a hug. It's giving Steven.

I was being Stefania.

Sometimes you just walk into your house a different person and you're no longer Jackie or Sarah.

I'm Stefania.

Yes, Stefania.

No, I have this joke with my college friends.

Oh, wow.

Whenever I would dress normal like that, so I'm wearing jeans and T-shirt like that, they would call me Jackie Cohen. Just like a normal girl.

Oh, and you have to know, when Jackie was in college, of course, you still use fashion to express yourself, but you were really into kawaii fashion, bright colors, very out there.

Yeah. No, every day was- Big, huge, chunky platform. A costume party. I It was.

You guys can't even picture it. You can't even picture the stuff, Jackie. You should do a little collage on your Instagram story today of some of the crazy, wacky outfits that you used to wear in college. It was a form of self-expression, and you looked super cute. But so the joke was even funnier because you were such a crazy dresser.

I would never have worn just jeans and a T-shirt. And if I did, I was being Jackie Cohen.

That's funny. I didn't know that you had a little joke with your friends.

When I posted my jeans in a T-shirt the other day, I was like, this is so not a me outfit. My friend Sam commented. She was like, it's so Jackie Cohen.

I love that.

Sometimes I just be like, be normal, just be Jackie going. I'm like, I can't.

It's so hard.

It's so hard. Anyways, my husband walked into the kitchen this morning. I was about to film him because I wanted to get on camera his reaction, walk right past me. So we're good. I'm not that changed. I'm still me.

Okay. Estefania can remain at bay.

I'm not Estefania.

Yeah. Oh, but that's so funny. What was I going to say? We have dear tosters. What are the stories like today?

They're good. I don't think there's anything that you haven't heard of yet, but we're going to discuss a lot of things. A lot of things need to be discussed by the stories.

Everyone's loving our Super Bowl recap. They said, We love it so much. This is the best, most amazing thing we've ever heard.

Classic.

It was.

Yeah, that was fun.

It was. Good times.

Yes. Yesterday. Good times.

No, it's so fun to really all be talking about the same thing.

Yeah, now we're all going to split off into our different corners of the internet. But we were all together for a time.

For a moment in time.

And that's why it's even sadder that the Chief It just fucking stunk because we all came together for you guys. We were all rooting for your game. I know people are rooting for eagles. We were all rooting for the game. They couldn't even get us the game, but whatever. It's fine. I'm gone.

Wait, we were getting lots of eagles hate yesterday being like, You guys can't even... I What did he say?

I think because we were making so much of the fact that the Chiefs played so badly that it almost sounded like we were saying the Eagles won because the Chiefs stunk so hard. They wanted us to acknowledge how fantastically the Eagles played. Did we not?

I even said, I thought that they were only winning against the commanders because they were playing a team of deaf, dumb, and blind. But it turns out they're actually a skilled team. I didn't understand where the hate was coming from.

I guess even in what you just said, there's a candid compliment, turns out. No, I'm saying I was wrong. Right. And they just want acknowledgement that the Eagles have been amazing all season, that they've slayed all season. And the Chiefs actually keep winning. And then if you really want to go down what they're saying, it's that the Chiefs One, they've eked out every win this season by the hair of their chiny chin chin. And this is where it gets crazy, the refs. And I cannot speak to this. I just got into football. The thing is, I'm not going to- I am years away from criticizing the refs.

I'm not going to say the entire Chief's season was a hoodwink scam. That's rude. They literally were almost undefeated. So I'm not saying that. But I'm saying, Good job to the Eagles. They played better and they won. They were the better team. I said that yesterday, and I was like, I've seen... Oh, my God. The girls are so dumb about the Eagles. We were on your side, and people were like, I can't believe they were rooting. I wasn't even rooting for any team in particular. I was like, Are we watching the same episode of The Toast?

I know. I think just for them, it's like they were the better team, but it's like the other was barely a team. So it's like, We didn't say enough good things about the Eagles. I think that's how they felt.

I think, honestly, it's giving chip.

I think the Eagles have a chip. I think they would admit that.

It's giving chip. Seriously, leave me out of your drama. Go to therapy.

As those with a chip, I see your chip.

We see them at the meetings.

Yeah, where we get chips for how long we have a chip. I see your chip, and you know what? It is annoying to hear about. Maybe we'll stop.

We We've been really good about our chip. Do you agree?

I have.

I feel like we actually haven't even talked about our chip in this new studio.

If you're a new listener, you don't even know what we were talking about.

Let me just tell you briefly. Jack and I just have a chip on our shoulder about our whole career. Who doesn't, by the way?

No, there are people who couldn't possibly.

Yeah, no. We just feel like we work really hard. We get so much hate. We just get so overlooked. We get so overlooked. We are constantly being overlooked.

We It's a chip about it, and it comes up sometimes.

Sometimes it also is a chip that comes in the shape of Kelly Clarkson. It's a Kelly Clarkson-sized chip because she hasn't come on the toast.

Oh, yeah. If we were any other people who are top podcast, so obsessed with Kelly Clarks, and they'd be banging down our door to have her on. It's so weird.

It's so true. Now, chip. Okay, chip.

The chip is so real. What I will also say about the chip is that it propels us towards greatness. We are constantly fighting against the chip, and that is what makes us great. And I feel the same about the eagles. I think we actually are more in comp. We're more similar than we are different.

And I think some of the people I admire most in this world have/had chips.

One thousand in person.

Nobody had a bigger chip on her shoulder than Joan Rivers. Nobody was more overlooked. Nobody was more sidelined by the industry. You know who else I feel has a chip? And rightfully so, because she does not even get half the credit she deserves for her talent. Who? I feel like you know what I'm going to say. Come on.

For her talent.

Yeah, and she's actually been on this show. Somewhat recently. She's our queen. We're always saying how she's like... Kiki Palmer. Kiki Palmer definitely has a chip on her shoulder. 100 %. And she should because the industry... And she gets a lot of opportunities, but it's not enough for her level of talent.

Yeah, agreed.

Remember when Tiffany Hadish had this huge moment? She was in a movie and then it literally spiraled her entire career off of this one. Where's that moment for Kiki Palmer? It hasn't happened yet.

Yeah, even though at every turn, she is so worthy.

Correct. So her chip?

Warranted. Ours, 1,000 %. When I think of people, I'm going to text you someone's name of the anti-chip. Like someone- Oh, girl, I know what you're going to say before you even say it. Wait, do you?

Yeah.

It's not shade to this person. It's like, We'll never know what it's like in this world.

Yeah, but I wasn't thinking of who you were thinking.

Okay, text me.

Because there are people who just blow up.

Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, no chip.

Whether it's online, and acting, and singing, and just get... Their career goes as it should. Yeah. There's no roadblocks. There's no chips. They're just like, Yeah, you should host the VMAs. It's a chipping industry. Yeah, it's- But I don't want to go down the chip.

If you're new here, we have a chip, and it informs what we do for good and for bad, but mostly for good.

Honestly, if you really want to get into the symbolism of the frames.

They are two chips.

Representative, yeah, of the chips. But, Jackie, they are physically on our shoulders.

We should tape a A potato chip in the middle. A big delay. Everyone wants them to be filled, the frames. There you go. One big delay.

Hot blue gun.

Like the banana.

I hate to cut this short, the pre-Fast 5 banner, because you know it's the highlight of my day.

Just cut me off, yeah.

But we have a lot to do. We have dear toosters. We have the fast five. I just wanted to make you aware that we're approaching 20 minutes.

Okay, so I guess it's time, and you said it, sister.

I don't want to start drama, obviously. I... You don't. I just wanted you to know. No, I don't want to start drama. I'm not in a drama era of my life.

Yeah, that's good.

I'm looking for peace.

I love that. Well, we can get into the fast five stories that you need to know, dear reader.

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Our first story. Jason, Kelsey is having a tough time processing the Eagles win with Travis's loss after the Super Bowl blowout. So Jason, Kelsey has finally put out a statement Now, finally. I mean, yeah. I wasn't waiting. I wasn't waiting. But yeah, I do wonder how he feels about the win.

And I guess if you were really paying attention, there was a little bit of drama because their podcast page had put out a Congrats Eagles thing.

Yeah, put out a Congrats Eagles graphic, and then they took it down. I think people thought they took it down because it was disrespectful to Travis. But then Jason clarified that he asked him to take it down because it was a lot of pictures of him and different Eagles players. And then there was a quote.

Hey, look at me.

There was a quote about how so many of the Eagles players feels like family to Jason. And then like, congrats, Eagle. So it was very Jason-centric, and he was like, I didn't win the Super Bowl. It's a weird thing to post.

I just want to say I think it's weird, too. Not even because of the reasons Jason stated, because your co-host The other half lost. And it's not like Jason played. He didn't. So I think it's weird.

Yeah, they could have just sat it out. But I also understand why Jason wanted them to take it down. I don't think it had to do with congratulating the Eagles the Eagles. I think it was just self-promotional.

No, I think his reasons are valid. The reason I, personally as a human being, my experience thinking it was weird is because literally Travis is the co-host and the star of the show, and he lost a Super Bowl. The other star/co-host didn't even play.

But the Eagles are a big part of their show.

No, I get it. Let me just say, Jason is a bigger man than me, obviously in a physical sense, but also because it's really nice that he's so happy for the Eagles, but I would be annoyed the year I leave, we finally win.

That's the most annoying part. But this is what he said. He said, Congratulations to the Philadelphia Eagles, my former teammates and friends on being Super Bowl Licks champions. There were a lot of emotions last night, and now that I've collected my thoughts, I'll attempt to share them in the longest tweet ever. The game was odd for me to watch if I'm being completely honest. I knew it was going to be mixed emotions before, during, and after, and I now know what my parents had to deal with two years ago. On the one hand, I wanted what is best for my brother and to see his success. On the other hand, there are so many people, teammates, and coaches in the Philadelphia Eagles organization that I care deeply about, many of whom I owe my success to throughout my career. I'm very proud for Jalen Hertz, nick Santini, and this entire team. They have persevered greatly, answered their critiques amazingly, improved themselves undoubtedly to be the best team this season, et cetera. As for my brother, there isn't a person I love or care about more. It has been tough to process these feelings, but of course I feel for him, and I'm always rooting for him, but I know he does not need nor want my pity.

He has amassed greatness few on this planet could ever dream of, as has his team, and they should feel pride in their accomplishments this season and in the past. I know right now they're still thinking of that last night and the shortcoming in the last game, but in time, that will fade and the greatness they've exhibited as a group will remain as one of the most dominant errors of football ever.

Sure. First of all, it was giving the vibes like Travis is retiring, no?

Well, the field playing was giving the vibes that Travis was retiring.

Well, of course, the lack of talent. Yes. The ball on the floor. Can I say something like, safe space?

Yes, turdy.

Even though I'm so not in the mood for anybody to backlash me, but whatever. She wanted peace. Right. But I have to speak my truth, and that's the line that I'm constantly walking.

That is peaceful. Speaking your truth, getting it off your chest.

And walking in your own light. That's peace. During the week leading up to the Super Bowl, when there were all those press conferences and we were making fun of all the questions that he was being asked, a lot of the questions that were like normal questions were about his family. What are they going to wear? What is your mom going to do? Is she going to wear the Eagle Split jersey? Travis was like, You guys, no, I'm the only one playing. My family is waiting for me. I thought the questions were really extreme and weird, and I was feeling justice for Travis. But now, and I understand Kylie Kelly is so loyal to Philadelphia. She'll never wear another color ever. I get it. That's your fucking family out on the field. Maybe I can't relate because I don't feel that way about any particular sports team. But I just want to say we're bordering on disrespectful. You can have respect for your team, Jason, and respect from your hometown, but your family is out here trying to accomplish something great. The fact that it's even a question people are doubting who they're rooting for. I don't know.

I know this is going to sound really crazy. I feel like they could have been a little bit more supportive.

Maybe that's what he was feeling.

Donna, by the way, wore all red. The question When he was asked if his mom's going to wear the same split jersey, Eagles Chiefs, he was like, Why?

That's crazy. For Donna- She didn't.

But I just feel like there was a lot of doubt in people's minds, especially for Jason and Kylie, and just the family in general. What are they going to do? They love the Eagles. They love the Eagles when Jason was playing there, but he's not.

I think it's really hard for us to understand. I think so, too. I think we can't put ourselves in those shoes. I think for Jason, it's like, yes, his brother's on one team, rooting for him, but on this other side are people that... They're not his brothers, but very, very close. There is joy in seeing them win. I think if he could have chosen, he wouldn't say. I don't think he would have answered this question. Maybe he did, but it was, of course, be Travis.

You think? I'm not getting that vibe.

Yes, I think. Did anybody ask Jason who's he rooting for?

I think if they did, we wouldn't have gotten a straight answer.

Yeah, but I think the correct answer is Travis. However, It's a very... The Eagles are right behind because the coaches, those are people who he wants to see succeed. Family. The amount of work that goes in to being on a team, this was the only team he ever played for. It's different than people who bounce around. That part of the brotherhood, we could never understand.

No, I'm trying to put myself in Travis's spot, and I'm mad at my family.

Yeah, blame it on your family.

Yeah. I didn't get enough support. I understand that we'll never understand, and I get what he's saying. But I just feel like the whole time, before we knew who won, there's just been this underlying weirdness about who they're going to root for, when at the end of But I think for the day, we could talk about it, we're obviously rooting for your family. I didn't feel like they led with that enough. That's the hot take for the day.

I didn't see that so much, so I can't say. But if that's what was going on, yes, of course, we're rooting for Travis. Yeah, we'll find joy, and if the equals win, because it'll be good for our friends. But of course. We're rooting for Uncle Travis, and I can't believe I haven't saying this yet.

I'm so glad.

I'm so glad my Travis made it to the big game. One step closer to Kelsie being my last name. Wait, I think I should record Toast- Theme song. Theme song today because that was pretty parj.

Dial up Curtis, the producer. Get him on the job.

Because if you play like you're in worthy, you can call me Mrs. Taylor Pretty.

The only thing is that the theme song, it's actually a little out of my range. It was pretty high-pitch. High pitch, excuse me.

I would cry in Japan for a man who isn't worthy. I'm Super Bowl.

During the Super Bowl, I was actually just humming that song. And Ben was like, Is that a real song? And I was like, Yeah.

And you played a prank, of course. And did you play for him?

I played a prank. No, I didn't even play for him. I was just like... Because I think he was really believing me because I kept coming up with new I stopped at the purdy one because that he would know it was a joke. I was like, I'm so glad my Travis made it to the big game. He was like, Is that a real song? I'm like, What do you mean? Yeah. One step closer to Kelsey being my last name. He was like, No way. Then I kept coming up, If you play like you ain't worthy. He was like, Wow. I let it sit for a couple of minutes, and then I told him it was a joke. You should have kept going. Because I don't want him walking out into the world like an idiot. I know, but you should have. I could have my fun, but I can't take it too far.

You should have just teased the party line and saw his reaction. If you're going to tell him, eventually, maybe he would figure it out. But let him think for one second. That it was real. You can call me Mrs. Tell A Party.

You can call me Mrs. Churdy Purdy.

I literally need to record something today. My voice is amazing.

Get on the horn.

I'm going to get on the horn.

I recorded. I forgot to share on Friday after the toast. It sounded marginalish. I took Jackie's recording session because she was sick, so I laid down my vocals first. Which I Which our producer said was probably better. I did the first take, and he was like, Well, we've got it. We'll just do a couple of more for safety, but you crushed it, turd. That's what he said. Did you say Claudia?

That's beautiful.

Pretty much. We now have a version of just my vocals. We're going to wait. Obviously, we're going to overlay Jackies, but I'll hold that version very near and dear to my heart.

Are you ready for our next story, speaking of Pardee vocals.

Yeah.

Sabrina Carpenter is on the cover of Vogue.

This is amazing. To be on the cover of Vogue is actually such a crazy thing. When you think of all the famous people in the world who haven't been on it. It's a real special tier. It couldn't be happening at a better time for her. She just snatched up a couple of Grammys. She looked absolutely gorgeous. I feel like Vogue is always trying to do something edgy and whatever. But they really stuck with her esthetic. Very on brand, very Marilyn Monroe, feathery feminine. It was beautiful. I was shocked. I wasn't expecting this. I would have thought that Vogue thought they were like, It was too soon for Sabrina. They're never on the cutting edge. They're always a little late to the trends. I was so happy for her.

It's Quin. Yeah, this is major. The cover and the cover story have dropped. The pictures are beautiful. She's on the cover of the March issue of Vogue. The photos are very Marilyn Monroe-inspired. She's talking about her career She made mention of skin, just want to say.

What did she say? She said that when she- Do you have a Google alert for Skin by Sabrina Carpenter?

No, but our Gen Z intern gave me a little heads up.

That's really big. Promotion.

She said that she never planned to release it. It was a song that she wrote to get her feelings out as artists. Of course. Then she did release it, but when she was writing it, it was just meant for her to heal.

I want to say something about the whole song, and I agree with you. Skin is a good song. It didn't shake the world up, but it's a good song, lyrically, melodically. But I do think the... And I don't have any regrets about how everything shook out for both of the girls. They're really both killing it. But I do wonder how this whole saga would have shaken out if the song that Sabrina released in response to all the drama wasn't Skin, It was all Because I liked a Boy, which is another song of hers that directly addresses the drama, but it's much more popular than Skin. It was one of the couple of songs from that previous album that launched her into the short and sweet era that people really liked. It's a really good song, and it's very directly addressing, I got death threats, death threats filling up semi-trucks. Tell me who I am because I don't have a choice. All because I like to boy. And all because I like to boy. All of this for what? When everything went down, we'd already broken up. So good, so direct. I'm not mad about having anything she got.

She just won Grammys. Maybe she would have released that song and then gone nowhere. But I do wonder, I would love to see an alternate universe. What would have happened if she did that. The song wasn't written yet.

Yeah, I wonder how long after till she got to that place of writing that song, and that's how she felt because she couldn't not respond for that long. I wonder if she wrote them at the same time yet, then So maybe we could- If she had it in the arsenal and just chose skin instead? I wonder. I don't know. But I liked skin because it wasn't like the chip. I feel like all because I liked the boys more like coming from it- Serious? No, like a victim. Everybody hates me all because... Whereas skin was tough, and I liked that response.

Yeah, I'm thinking like, Oh, you're jealous of me? You should be. I'm stuck in his dick. You should be.

I'm all out of your man. I thought it was just a strong response as opposed to, Oh, because I like to boy, but he hates me.

That's actually a really good point. I didn't realize- But maybe the world's so- That's so you. By the way, the reason why you love skin is because the message was very not victimy and not steam rolled Just like, Yeah, I stole your man. What are you going to do about it? And I'm loving every minute. And now knowing from that other song, When Everything Went Down, We'd Already Broken Up. So she wasn't even with this guy. So she didn't even feel the need to She still wanted to lead with like, Yeah, jealous.

Yeah. But I agree with you that maybe the world would have received it better if she came out with like...

Yes, people love a victim.

They love a victim. So yeah, actually, I think that it probably would have played better, but for me- But everything worked out in the way that it was meant to. But for a while, Sabrina took a big L. I respect strength, and that's why I respect the bream.

But until Espresso, Sabrina had been... She had taken a big L on the situation.

Nonsense.

Yes, nonsense. But up until that, there was a long period of time where Olivia then went on to worldwide success. Yeah, and Sabrina was left in the dust. Doing small shows, and she was able to really climb her way out of that, which makes her whole journey even more impressive. And I think that's why we love her so much. We love a Phoenix who rises from the ashes. But for a brief period in time when we didn't know it was going to go that way, it was sad.

Yeah, I agree. That's why it's so impressive.

And I'm I'm sorry. I will never stop talking about these two. It's annoying. You have to bring up Olivia every time you talk about Sabrina. I'm sorry, I can't. Although I do want to say I think this massive success has healed Sabrina because we always say, if that was me, I'm never Forgiving. Sabrina doesn't bring it up. She doesn't talk about it. They were seen like, hugging at the Grammys. I actually think getting all this success and recognition made the whole situation worth it.

Yes, worth it. I don't think she's over it. I think that's her Roman Empire, and it's been a few years. It's her chip. Yeah, 100%. She'll hug her at the Grammys because she doesn't want to... That would look bad. People don't like that. But the North members. It's so true. I'm still here.

I'm still at the restaurant.

Like, desk collecting on her pinned up hair.

Her hair is always pinned up. Right.

That's about her.

You know how they always say, if you I would love to have been a fly on the wall in the Solange elevator, right? I would love to have an off the record truly open and honest conversation. I would never tell anybody what she said, just for my own personal curiosity, with Sabrina Carpenter about that whole saga.

Okay, but if you could have one open and honest conversation with any celebrity.

Oh, no. That's not even top five. Actually, it might be top five. Yeah.

But who's number one?

But I don't know. Do I only get to cover one subject or their entire career?

No. Taylor. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I don't even know what I would want to ask Taylor. I would definitely want to ask her about the Carly Claus of it all. I would definitely want to ask her... She has a lot of mysterious corners of her life because she's not the type of celebrity who shares.

Well, all the friendships, too. Haley.

Yep.

Kaylee.

Haley. I want to know what happened with Haley. Haley. Also Zendaya. We all forget because Zendaya went on to do massive things, but she was a member of that Girl Squad for a brief moment.

Yeah. Kelly, that we were just saying.

Kelly.

Teller.

Kelly Teller. Yes.

Are you ready for our next story?

What number? Oh, yeah. Sorry.

No, I'm totally ready. Number three. Pete Davidson strips down to his undies for reformation after his tattoo removal.

So Pete Davidson- In bigger news, Turdy O'Sher finally understands why people find him attractive. For the first time, I'm like, Oh, that's a good-looking man.

Yeah, but I feel like now he looks different than when people were finding him attractive. Watch now, he can't get any girls.

He looks like he's put on a little bit of weight, too.

Yeah, he's looking hunky. In a good way. He's looking hunky. Pete Davidson has spent the last several years removing his nearly 200 tattoos, and now he's ready to show off his clean slate just in time for Valentine's Day. He stars in Reformation's latest campaign, showing off his buff bod in boxer briefs. So I guess Reformation has some menswear now, and he is the face.

I think the fact that he did a topless photoshoot to show us his progress and all the change that he's made, I think it's really smart. I don't know why I'm so shocked that it's Reformation. Not only did I not know they did menswear, but I thought it would have been Calvin Klein. For something of Pete's caliber, I didn't realize Reformation had money like that, honestly.

I didn't either, but I guess everyone wears them. I mean, if you think about it, I feel like they operate and they look like a- It's been around forever. They look like a small business, but they're mass consumed. They probably have low overhead because they act small.

Yeah, and all of their dresses are made from dirty diapers and plastic bottles.

I'm sure Taylor wearing the dress to the US Open was the budget for Pete Davidson's campaign.

True. I don't know. If I was Pete, I just would have wanted a little more for my comeback photoshoot. Not that there's anything wrong with reformation, but it's not like designer. I think Calvin Klein would have been, and I think he's done Calvin Klein before. Or Skims. Or Skims.

I was watching Kardashian's, and Kim was talking about her work ethic, how she works so much. She was actually, because she's in therapy now, and so she's thinking about working less and questioning why she works so much. She says, Courtney was right. I didn't need to figure out what was driving me. Why I'm working so much. What drives me? Whatever. She was like, But in the past, all I wanted to do is work. Anybody who tries to tell me to work less, get out of my way. She was like, I mean, that's what happened with... And they bleeped out the name. I'm pretty sure it was Pete. I'm pretty sure because she was like, That's what happened with blank. He said, Why do you take the week off? Why do you work so much? She said, And that was the beginning of the end.

Oh, she I'm so crazy for that, honestly. That's nuts. She does do too much.

My guess was Pete. It only really makes sense for Pete. I don't think that's why she broke up with Kanye.

Did it also sound like one syllabus? You could tell based on how long the bleep was.

Yes, it did sound.

Or it was like a nobody, like Dave, someone we don't know. Dave. It's always Dave. Maybe it was Dave.

But anyways, I think Pete Davidson looks great. I think this is such a good message for young people. He was on one of the late shows talking about the process to remove them. He's had over 200 tattoos, like how he obviously regrets them. I think people should, when they go to the tattoo salon, should have to watch that interview.

Just think about it twice. There's nothing wrong with tattoos, but it's a huge Which is a huge commitment. I think a lot of people get them done on a whim. They regret them. He didn't keep any, not even Kim as my lawyer.

Not the kids' names?

That was really weird.

Right. That was really crazy. I think most people I have... Actually, I don't know most. A lot of people have a lot of tattoos. No regrets. Love them all. They all deeply mean something. But it's a hard thing to regret. It's very hard to come back from. It's very expensive. It's very painful. Expensive. And so I think thinking twice or three times about it is just a good message. If you still want to do it, still do it.

Exactly. The first time you have an inkling for a tattoo, make note of it. Don't run to the store, just jot it down. Then if you keep thinking about it two, three, four times, then you know that you really want it. But if you never think about it again, thank God you didn't get it. Yeah. In the words of Kim Kardashian, Would you put a bumper sticker on a Bentley?

Is that her quote?

I don't know if she coined it, but she popularized it in that scene from O. G. Keeping Up.

Got it.

Oh, no, I'm sorry. She said it on Letterman. I think he was asking them if they have tattoos. Do any of them have tattoos? They're not like a tattoo family, except maybe they get those little ones on their fingers that celebrities love.

Kylie has.

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. She has on her fingers.

I could so see... Who?

I was going to say, Chloe feels like she might have.

But remember, she got Lamar's initials on her finger. I also feel like I could see her having a cross on her ankle.

Yeah, or on a wrist, a little wrist action. But I could also see her having some from back in the day.

For sure. People forget. Chloe went to prison for a couple of hours. She's a real one, okay?

Are you ready for our next story?

Yeah. Do you think Chloe actually did go to prison that day or for the cameras? Because they said she got let out the same day because of overcrowding.

Yeah, I think that that's what happened.

I don't think they- You think she was in the facility? Yeah. That's really crazy.

Yeah. But I think the way it went down is what happened, because I don't think they would just lie about how it works. Yeah, the system. Back in the day, those episodes, they were just following them around with cameras. It wasn't so produced.

Highly produced. That's true.

Our fourth story, speaking of reality TV, coming to podcasting, Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin are starting a podcast called Let's Not Talk About The Husband. It will be with Dear Media in the first episode premieres on February 14, Valentine's Day.

Pargie. Let me just say, I'm like a Lisa Rinna hater, even though I'm reformed. I hated her character on the show, but I understand that she was a necessary evil. I do feel like she has all this momentum momentum and Fame and public interest that got stifled from leaving the show because we never got another outlet for it. I think this is a fabulous idea, even though I don't know if I'm the target demo for it. People also just love her husband. It's really so crazy. I forget what I was watching. When we were watching Desperate Housewise, I was explaining to Ben how none of these people were really famous before the show. The show made them all famous, except Nicolette Sheridan was very much like Hollywood royalty. She was married to Harry Hamlin. And it just reminded me that he's literally so Hollywood, and he's also an older gentleman, so he's a little old Hollywood, too.

Yeah. Also, they've been together for 30 plus years. That gives you a level of expertise and wisdom that you can share with the world. I also was thinking recently about podcasting at a glance, as you do.

When you have a chip.

When you have a chip. No, because I'm always watching clips on Instagram. I get served podcast that I never heard of, this or that. I was trying to think, so many people start a podcast, but what makes really a good podcast host. I think one thing that really can make someone great, amongst other things, but is someone who says hard truths, who has genuine hot takes, who's yelling at people almost. Tell me you things you might not want to hear. I think Lisa Rinna has that energy of just being unapologetic and just saying things that might not be popular but are interesting to listen to because the people with the lukewarm just circling the drain, it's hard to stand out that way.

No, that's not why podcasts were created. They're this renegade medium outside of mainstream. That's why so many of the most popular podcasts are people with crazy hot takes like Joe Rogan or like, Tucker Carlson's podcast is huge. When you're like a fringe, that's what the medium was created for. So if you're out here just being like, Hot dogs aren't sandwiches. That's not why people go to podcasts.

Do you know what I mean? It's very much a medium for lightning rods. There's ways to have success in other ways, but that is a big vertical, and I think that she is that. And so I think that this could really work.

Same. Although I do wonder if it's going to be a guest-based show, because while I think that she could pull great guests, she knows a lot of people him too. That's where podcasting becomes weird when a really talented person, a really interesting person is a host, and then is forced to interview other people and more so listen than talk. And I actually don't think Lisa Renna would be a good interviewer. That's my only concern. But if it's just them two going back and forth, talking about different relationship things, parenting, celebrity, working in the industry, that's interesting for sure.

Yes. This is what the statement says, After 30 plus years together, some more fabulous than others. We've seen a lot, and we're ready to dish on everything from marriage and family to friendship business and Fame. It seems like they will be dishing. Whatever we're talking about, you can be sure it will be unfiltered. So tune in because we're owning it all.

They should also have their girls on. Their girls are wildly interesting and also are always making waves.

Yeah.

Especially that Amelia, she's in some drama with the Gabrielle of it all. Do you know?

No. That they're twins?

Well, so that's the thing. Gabrielle, who's Maddie Healey's fiance, who's this very creative, different. Amelia Emilia a couple of years ago started to shift her look from what we knew, very normal-looking, all-American commercial vibes to very high fashion, slicked back, bleached eyebrows, gap tooth. She started to really look like- She created a gap? No, No, but Gabrieette has a gap. That's the vibe I'm saying, unconventional beauty.

Okay, but she didn't make a gap.

No, she didn't drill a gap in her teeth, my bad. A lot of people started to pick up on the similarities in the look she ended up creating with Gabrieette, and then a lot of their manner It's an ongoing internet theory is the Gabrieette versus Amelia of it all. Take it to the podcast, Amelia. Let's hear about it.

Take it to the podcast. It's always funny when you find someone's inspo, like Kendall Jenner and J. C.

Marie. No, it's I feel like the chicken and the egg. Who came first, Paige Lorenz or the other girl?

Totally. Or Megan and the Marquess.

No, she's not a Martianess. What is she? Her husband is a Marquis. A Marquis.

A Marquis.

But she... The Martianess is a bank or something. She's a Martianess. Yeah, a bath. A bath, yeah. Bank. Yeah. Who came first? The Martianess or Megan? Who came first, Paige or Morgs? Who came first, Tracy or Kendall? Who came first, Gabrieette or Amelia? That one's pretty well-documented. Right. No, I don't think.

For most of them, it's a question, I don't think.

Yeah. I think for the Tennis Girls, it was all happening at the same time. We were like, Wait, who came first? But if you go back, I think it's Paige.

Someone knows.

Yeah, it's well documented.

Yeah. It's well-documented. Yeah. I just got to find out.

All of these is someone's Roman Empire. People are obsessed with these random dual lives. Yeah, so funny. For me, I don't particularly care. It's more so like, Yeah, no, this is not my Roman Empire, so I'm having fun. I'm along for the ride. Yeah.

So good luck to our dear media's Sisters and Brothers. Oh, yes. Lisa and Harry.

I think it's fabulous, honestly. I usually roll my eyes a little bit when people enter the podcasting space who do other things, but maybe it's because I liked the title a lot. But I actually think this is great.

Yeah. No, I think that they've got the stuff I think they've got the stuff.

It's a very particular type of stuff. Just because you're super famous, everybody loves you, doesn't mean you're going to be a good podcaster. Who had more eyes on her than Megan Markle? Was not made for podcasting. It's such a weird niche thing. Even the most popular podcasters are freaks, randoms you've never heard of. Right.

And they're not the biggest. Even the popular celebrity ones, because there are, it's not the most popular celebrities. Even the office ladies, they're not the most There's a lot of other celebrities.

Kim had a podcast. Nobody moved. A lot of the most famous people in America like Star Podcasts, and seriously, the culture remains unchanged. Yeah. What makes you think?

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What can I say Our fifth and final story is a little TV programming news because The Bachelorette has been paused for summer 2025.

What? Yeah, ABC will be skipping this cycle of The Bachelorette. Abc is pausing its female-eg spin off of The Bachelor, which will be a blow for fans of the long-running dating show series. The show generally starts production shortly, and the last three seasons have aird in July. The series, however, has not been canceled and will likely come back to Disney's own network in the future. It's unlikely to air this year, but insiders have not completely rolled out its return later this year. It's not entirely clear why this decision has been made, but it's not without precedent in the Bachelor Universe. Last year, for example, Bachelor in Paradise didn't air because Golden Bachelorette happened instead.

Okay.

I don't know. Skipping the Bachelorette seems bigger than skipping a Paradise.

It does. But also, when you think about all the different brands amongst the Bachelor franchise, you have the main Bachelor, the Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, and the Golden Bachelorette now.

And then Golden Bachelorette.

Right. Bachelor and Bachelorette. I do feel like the female-led ones are probably the lowest rated because it's more fun to have all the girls fighting over a guy. Girls bring the drama, girls make it more interesting, 25 girls and one guy. That I'd probably rather watch, get to know all these funny, crazy, quirky girls, than 25 guys and one girl. That's boring.

Trying to be on TV.

Yeah, it's like, get a job. So I could see the Golden Bachelorette or the Bachelorette being the first to go. I know they're trying to make it seem like this is all good. I don't think this is a sign for a franchise that, in my mind, has been dying for years.

Yeah.

But to what end?

Yeah. It's still decently rated. You can't just have the Bachelor.

No, but I think people really like Bachelor in Paradise. I think it's still decently rated compared to other cable shows, but we compare it to what it once was. So I don't know if it's a huge flop or a failure. I don't think it loses money for the network, but they really need to just shake it up. It's the same format, the same dates, the same thing all the time. When dating shows Are you hearing about Montoya?

Claudia, I keep seeing this everywhere. What is it? What show is it from?

It's actually a Spanish show, so I don't know even the name of the show.

That's what I thought. But then I saw a bunch of barstool people talking about it. I'm like, Is this barstool their reality show? Yeah, they have reality shows. Oh, my God. I was like, What is this?

It's Temptation Island, which is a US show, but it's Temptation Island, Spain. A couple of clips from the show, it's just a reality show where they put a bunch of singles couples. Actually, I think they're couples. It's Temptation Island because you watch your partner go into a house and watch them on a TV to see if they're going to cheat on you. Very Casa Amor vibes. There's this couple, the guy's name is Montoya, and his girlfriend is majorly stepping out, and he's forced to watch it, literally watching her have sex. She had sex with two different people, and he's on this... They sit on a wooden log in the middle of the woods, forced to watch on a TV, and he's having a fucking breakdown. It's very normal reaction, actually, for somebody you love. The clips went so viral. And whatever, that's irrelevant. But what I'm saying is, when you think about the landscape of dating shows right now, Netflix crushes it. They had two Hot Handle, Love is Blind. Love Island. Love Island. Everybody's stepping their pussies up based off of a concept that The Bachelor created, and they never evolved. It's the same three-hour telecast with the same dates, the same concept, the same everything.

The biggest thing they ever did was when they did Bachelor in Paradise. Even that, compared to Love Island, it's stale. It's old.

It's boring. Yeah, but I do think Bachelor in Paradise, it's a pretty good answer to Love Island. It's not good enough sometimes, but it's hard. You can't really have Bachelor in Paradise without the Bachelor and Bachelorette because you fall in love with these cast members. You want them to have a second chance at love. But that is having to watch 50 hours of television so that you'll be excited for Bachelor in Paradise. I don't think so. They make it too hard.

Their focus on The Bachelor is selling as many commercials as they can. If you're going to commit to watching an episode, you have to watch three hours. Plus, after the rose, women tell all. They're really exploiting people's time. That's why I personally stopped watching it. I was like, How many hours do I have to watch just to see who wins?

It's not fun anymore. For a mid-season episode 5, for it to be two hours, stop. You want a two-hour premiere, a two-hour finale, I'll let you have it. Sell your ads. Agreed. Episode 5, March?

Which, leave me alone. They really can't compete. Love is blind, first of all, no commercials, and it's so good. Even when it's bad- You know what?

I have a question. Shows that are on Netflix, that are going straight to Netflix, why do they still do commercial breaks? They fade to black? They fade to black, and then they come back and they play what we just saw.

I think that's actually a good point. I just think it's a helpful way of making television. I don't know. I think it's so weird.

It's like, what is this? It is. Especially when they repeat the last line of what we just saw. It's like, wait, I'm right here.

Ten seconds ago. I didn't move. That's actually really true.

When I was watching Kardashian's, that's what I was like, This is made for Hulu. Why are you putting in blocks for commercial breaks?

I'm still sitting in the exact same spot I was when I heard. I didn't move. I remember what she said five seconds ago. Right. They do do that. Maybe it's just this trend in editing. They can't stop. It's taking a while to shake.

No one told them, we can stop doing that.

They don't have to do it. Yeah, they do do that. I don't know. That's a good point. So I feel like they can tell us all they want that this is not... A sign. A sign of the times, but I think it is.

Yeah, I think so, too.

They just don't want to scare people.

Those are the fast five stories. I hope you're scared.

Wait, why would I be scared?

Because you said they don't want to scare people, but people should be scared.

Quaking.

I'm shaking in my boots.

It's Tuesday, which means it's Dear Toasters. Our weekly advice segment where Jackie and I do our best to help the girlies in need. If you've ever found yourself in a particular and you've wanted Jackie and I's advice, which is totally understandable, we are geniuses. You can get it. Email us, deartoosters@gmail. Com, or just go to our website, thetoastpodcast. Com. Scroll down, there's a little submission box. Both methods, they're going to the same place. You have just as good of a chance of getting on the show, and they're both anonymous, so don't worry. Are you ready? Actually, I'm going to give you a little bit of a choice today because I had four submissions that I really, really liked. But I'll do my favorite first. Ready? Dear Jackie and Claudia, I've got this amazing boyfriend. He's literally perfect, except for one tiny detail. He's blind. Now, here's the twist. Because he can't see, he'll sometimes ask me how much I weigh, and it sends my insecurity levels through the roof. How am I supposed to respond to that? On one hand, I want to be honest because, well, honesty is the best policy. But on the other hand, I'm terrified of him judging me even though he can't see me.

Do I lie and keep the peace or just tell him no and dodge the question altogether? It's also confusing when your boyfriend can't see you but somehow still manages to see right through you. Am I an awful person for even asking this? Love you. Bye.

That's so tough. I feel like he might have legitimate reasons for asking. It's like he can't see you, so he just wants to know.

He doesn't want to pick you up and hurt his back or something.

But it's actually like he can feel you and he could pick you up. He actually knows what he needs to know. But I don't know, maybe he needs this as an aid just to understand what his girl looks like. I feel like anything else, you could shave a few pounds off.

No, here's the thing. I want to help this blind man. I think it's important that we all- You want to help him see. I just want to help him whatever he needs. I'm watching the season where Carlos is blind on Desperate Housewives right now, and the way the community really just gets... They get him a job, and they're always helping him out. It's beautiful. Being blind, I can't even imagine. It seriously sounds like the hardest thing on the planet. So I I'm going to help this man, but I just feel like he actually doesn't need to know that. You can really, based on feel, touch, you can know what your partner looks like. Like, literally, why does it matter? I don't know. Carlos would never. Because Gabby was saying, when Carlos is blind, it's also when they're poor and then they have kids. And Gabby, she's not her glam self anymore. She puts on weight. She looks like a mom. Not like that. That's bad. But she's not like a glamazon model anymore. And she says that Carlos I'm embarrassed. Even though you can't see me, I don't love the way that I look anymore.

I've put on weight. Carlos would never ask this question. You know what I mean? He loved Gabby so unconditionally. I just want to not to make the blind man the villain here, but I think it's a weird question.

Well, I would just ask him why he wants to know because I'm holding space for it's something that blind people need to know in order to orient themselves. I don't know. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. So I would just ask him, what purpose does it serve for you to know? I will tell you, but I just would love to understand why that's information that you want.

I just think based on my limited knowledge of the blind community, which is limited, I feel like they really learn things by touch, not by numbers. I think he might have ulterior motives for asking the question.

Maybe. But remember, he's a perfect angel otherwise, so we're going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah, we are. I was just asked. Of course, if you do end up telling him- Minus 15. Yeah, I was going to say you have at least a 10 pound grace period.

Max, okay? Max, yeah. Because it's just when you are on a plane, they do need to know for safety purposes. You can't really lie.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't think he needs to know for safety purposes, but okay.

I don't know. I don't know because I'm just going to be- Yeah, I don't Because he's blind. So I don't want to give him bad information.

Did you hear me? I'm blind.

I don't want to give- What's it from?

It's Will Farrell.

No, is it?

Is it Anchor Man? Did you hear me? I'm blind. I know. What is that? We and Ben say that all the time. I have no idea. That's so funny. I forgot about that. What's it from? Row One. Row One. What is that? I've never been to see that movie. Star Wars?

No, it's not from Star Wars.

Will Farrell. He's standing in the ocean saying it. It's Anchorman 2. Anchorman 2, yeah. He loses his vision, and then he makes it everyone's problem. He's standing in the ocean, Did you hear to me, I'm blind.

I'm not really lined to or fucking with the P-Jump blind guy.

I know. This is my dear toaster's toxic trait, where I want to see the partner, especially the man in the relationship, is always being the villain or gay. So yeah, I'm projecting here.

Yeah. I just feel like he might need to know. It's like you wouldn't tell him something is 50 feet away if it's 20 feet away.

Right. We're at a cliff, like important information. Right. So give him the benefit of the doubt. All right, next up. We've got a little weird mother behavior. Hey, Jackson Turdy. I text my boyfriend of one year's mom. She's I typed that really weird. She has a boyfriend of one year, and a text popped up on his phone from his mom, and he was sleeping. She opened it and began scrolling through the messages, which is really crazy. She found text- She's looking for trouble. I find texts from her to him talking very intimately about our sex life. Things like me coming, how enjoyable it is for a man to see a woman climax, me being less experienced than him, and so much more. I am so upset, and I haven't said anything to him about it yet. I feel so uncomfortable. I fear the next time I see her, I'm not the... I'm not one who talks openly about sex or very freely, but maybe with friends, definitely not with my mom. The whole thing has really given me such a pit. There's a lot of layers here. Obviously, it's the betrayal of something intimate between you two.

But also, we need to talk about the mental illness that is talking about climax with your mother. First of all, it's different when it's a son and his mom. But I think even girls who tell their mom things about sex is less weird, but they don't even go into this much detail. This is really fucking serial killer ass behavior. I don't know what I would be... I feel you. What are you more angry about? The betrayal, or are we concerned? I'm concerned, actually. That's bothering me more.

This is so weird, and this relationship will be a part of your life for so long. I wonder what she does for work, though, because I could see a scenario The mom? The mom. I could see a scenario where she is either a sex therapist, some therapist, maybe even a guy in a couple, something. I do feel like the toaster would have included that. A thousand %. But I could see a mom like that being very involved in her son's sex life, and Yeah, it's not ideal. But it's like, that's just how we are. You don't have to break up with him over it. It's just a crazy fact about your in-laws, your makhtunam sister.

Okay, so it's literally the episode of Sex in the City where Carrie is dating that writer who prematurely ejaculates. I think he's played by Justin Thoreau, and he comes from this really big family of intellect. The dad is a professor at Yale, or no, Columbia. The mom is this... I think she's a sex therapist type of thing. She knows about the son's premature ejaculation, and she wants to talk about it with Carrie, and Carrie's like, no, It's less weird because she is this very... But I do think the toaster would have written in if there was even a remote pertinence to this woman's line of work. Let's just say she works in sales, okay? Okay. I don't know.

Maybe she has a side hustle of women's health. I think if you can look at it from angle where it's like she's interested in the vagina. It's weird. And you're in a woo- woo family. Listen, Claudia, if she loves him and she wants to make it work, some things you just have to accept.

Well, also the problem is when you go snooping, how to get this stuff brought up, how can you bring it up to him?

Yeah, because it's not like he's coming to you and being like, My mom says that you should try this.

How would you know this?

It's illegally obtained information. It's not admissible in a court of law.

It's inadmissible. That's tough. But also, I'm glad you snooped. Usually, snooping, you're going to find information you don't want. While you didn't want to know this, this really isn't something that can go on forever. It's really fucking weird. Honestly, this is something that would just give me the ick to a person I don't care how P-Jump your boyfriend is. You're talking about orgasming with your mom. Like, Eew, you're ugly to me now. You know what I mean?

I do know what you mean, but I just want to help her.

I know. I just want to help her. How are we helping?

I want to help her think it's not a big deal. He's just from just an open family.

That's really sweet, but it is a big deal. So let's give her some actual advice. You have to bring it up to him and just say... I don't know if you can just admit to snooping.

No, but you could say the other night, a text popped up on your phone. I don't know.

Yeah. You'll have to come up with a creative way to bring it up that doesn't make you look crazy because you have to protect your own interests here. But he should absolutely know that you're just not comfortable. Don't judge and shame him for talking about this with his mom. That's a problem for another time. But he does need to actively stop doing that today.

Yeah.

So I would say, Listen, I'm not comfortable with that. Talk to your friends. It's like, literally talk to a therapist. Talk to anyone. Please don't talk to your mother. Really?

You'd rather him talk to his friends about the- No, not friends. People that you have to go out with.

And I want to know, why do you need to talk about your sex life with anyone other than the person you're having sex with? Why do you need to keep people abreast as to what's going on in your bedroom when you just have a girlfriend? It's not like you're seeing a bunch of people.

What's going on? I think there's more history here that you should find a way for him to open up to you. I think there's more to this story. Maybe it has to do with him and the past relationships.

Yeah, or trauma.

Yeah, I think, or what his mom likes to get into in her free time. I think there's more here. So find a way to dig in without it being about the snooping.

That's actually very good advice.

Maybe just sit down and have a state of the Union about your relationship and then take it into your sex life.

Okay. Our third and final Deer Toaster is a Deer Toaster collab with NBW, Naggy Bitch Wife. Okay. Hey, Swirlies. Love you guys. Listening to The Toast makes my commute one of the best parts of my day. So thank you. Oh, that was so sweet. I wasn't expected to get choked up at your toaster's. I'm ready to settle a debate with my husband. We've been married for four years, and he has a really disgusting habit. I've convinced him to stop as far as I know since it gave me a serious ick, not to mention it was really unsanitary. My husband likes to pee in the bathroom sink, the same sink where we brush our teeth, at least I do, and where I wash my face. The toilet is no more than three or four steps away from the sink. We do not have his or her sinks. It's just one singular bathroom sink, and he insists that all men do it out of convenience. I told him there's no way that all men do this and that I was going to have to write into your toaster to settle this once and for all. Is this normal?

Have you witnessed your husband's do this?

Absolutely not. I've never seen this. I've never heard of this.

I have. But it's extenuating circumstances. If me and Ben, back in our old apartment, when we had one bathroom, we both really had to pee. Of course, I got to go first. Ben, maybe once or twice peed in the sink. He's going to kill me for saying that.

But that's not what this is.

No, no. To do it, to opt for the sink instead of the toilet. No, all men don't do that. It's an emergency thing. I think it's not completely unheard of, I have to tell you. Men definitely do this, but I don't think they use the sink as a toilet all the time.

I I think it's very reasonable to ask and insist that he uses the toilet instead of the sink where you wash your face and brush your teeth. If he can't agree to that, you're not even asking for anything other than for him to move over three inches, then you put a lock on the door that only you have the key to, and he can go do that in a different sink. In a public bathroom. Hopefully not the kitchen.

Yeah, no, by the way, you're 100% right in asking him, but I don't want to indulge him at all, but he isn't wrong. I do think people do this? Because I think in the mind of a really a small brain man, it's like it's all going to the same place.

Yeah. I'm not worried about where it's going. I'm worried about what's touching on its way. Of course. I wouldn't wash my face in the toilet bowl.

Facts. Facts. Although, when I was testing my urine a lot for ovulation or pregnancy test, and you would put it in a cup, what do you do with the pea?

Pour it back in the toilet.

Yeah, I guess that's a much smarter way. I was pouring it down the sink.

Pour it back in the toilet.

Yeah, that's yucky.

Yeah, when there's a toilet right there.

I also want to share something that I did. I need to unburn in myself. Okay. There were a couple of times where I woke up first, and it has to be your first pee in the morning, right? Where I woke up first thing in the morning and I didn't have a cup. Usually, I would leave a red solo cup and I would rinse it and wash it and use it every day, which is probably gross. But either the cup got thrown out or it wasn't there. I was literally about to pee, and I couldn't get up off the toilet. I needed something to pee in. So I used... You know the really big hairspray? It's the red one, big sexy hair and the big lid, the big black lid. I used the lid as a cup. I needed to unburden myself. And by the way, I rinsed it and then put it back on my hairspray. I did.

That's crazy because who even has the lid on their hairspray to begin with?

Me.

Who doesn't lose it along the way?

Oh, that's not a problem I have.

What are the cause to lose it to?

Yeah, no, I'm not. And I'm pretty sure it's the same bottle of hairspray I'm still actively using. So, Parchy.

Parchy, put them in stem.

I needed to unburden myself. So maybe that's why I'm a little bit more sympathetic and understanding to this man. But I just want to say, I back the toaster here. He should not be doing this.

I back the toaster. And if this is something that men do, just because they all do it, if everyone jumped off a bridge with a GMD. Then all men should stop.

Right.

No, you're not wrong. And we wonder why women have all these skin issues.

We're washing our faces with Yaren.

Me and the men get to be like, Adam, wash my face, and I feel great.

It's because everything in your life is clean.

You don't have to be in the pores.

So true. Because you're not washing your face in the toilet. Right. That's your toaster. Thank you to everyone who wrote in. To the girl who had that crazy story about her man taking new photos of her and her friends and putting in the group chat. We haven't heard from you. Stop.

Stop rooming me Tuesday every day.

Sorry. We haven't heard from you. No pressure. If you never want to write in again, you don't have to. I'm sorry that you went through that. We would love to hear from you, obviously. I just want to let you know I think of you often, and I'm wishing you well.

As am I. Now, let's get the heart rate for her, okay? We're sending you love.

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