Transcript of We've Been Framed: Friday, January 31st, 2025

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to The Toast. And happy Friday, first Friday in the new studio. I don't know how long we're going to have to do shows before I stop remarking on the new studio at the beginning of every single episode.

Until milestones stop being reached. Like, next week, it'll be the first February episode in the new studio.

And by the way, it's going to be a while because I cannot wait for my first period.

Oh my gosh, on this couch.

In this very feminine space, I feel like it's going to be really hard.

You're in your feminine.

A thousand %. I literally... The studio looks like the inside of a vagina. If you were to... You know how some TV shows, they're like, your vagina on the inside, and they would make it look like this very pink- Like a fruit. Right. Literally us.

Literally us. That is so beautiful. We are so feminine. I do look forward to that milestone for you and how this chair really accommodates a woman on her time. A woman on her period. And I guess it goes against what I believe, too That's diverge.

Are you on your period? She may or may not be on her period.

I would love to contribute to this conversation, but it goes against my beliefs.

Okay, so by the way, we would never pressure anybody to go against their beliefs on this chair.

Right. But I'm just saying it may or may not have already been done and confirmed that it's a pleasant experience.

And speaking of unpleasant experiences, yesterday was my official moving day. I know you guys are like, Chri, you've been moving out of your old studio for a month, and I have. But yesterday, I officially brought all my old crap to this new pargy place, which is making me sick because- You took it out of the closet there to put it in the closet here to never see it again, except for if we ever make a toast museum and we need all of these old merch pieces.

And that is why Zack has a whole closet full of my old merch.

Exactly. And I can't lie when I tell you- We do it for Toast Museum. I did absolutely nothing in the move. I didn't even meet the movers. They were literally in and out so easy. Classic. Of course, we're a roadway.

Classic roadway.

We are a roadway integrated brand. It's my fourth move with roadway. They really were so pargy. But upon walking into the studio today, I was like, Oh, all the old stuff. I don't want it. I only want my new stuff.

Yeah, but sometimes- I was just like, I was accosted by my old life.

I'm like, Get out of here.

Yeah, but it's... Think about the Herstery.

No, and I just had a pit in my stomach about this day for the last couple of weeks because it's like, years and years of all of our stuff acquiring in that studio. It was our studio, and then I was left to do the move by And thankfully, I wasn't by myself, and I wasn't stressed out. Thanks to Roadway.

Thank you, Roadway, for being there for my sister. And I feel like everyone knows Roadway. It's the go-to moving company. But let's me not forget, they moved me across the country, too. So if you're in any part of the country and you need to move, call up your boys and girls at Roadway. I have a code.

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You have big plans for the weekend? It's Friday. Because I've been doing so much, I haven't even been able to acknowledge it. It's Friday. I'm just busy.

So my big plans for the weekend started two nights ago when the flu has hit our household. That's what I'll be doing this weekend is bearing down with the flu and getting through. So, yeah, any plans I might have had, which, thankfully, I didn't really have any. We'll just be home chilling, relaxing, being cozy, recovering, God willing. That's what I've been up to. Since we wrapped yesterday, I've just been in Flulandia. I've actually watched a lot of TV if anybody wants a PAW Patrol recap.

Oh, that TV.

Or a Spidey and his Amazing Friends recap or a Bebithin recap.

I actually don't want a Spidey and his Amazing Friends recap. I can't stress that enough. It's really sad, and I think maybe this is something you can probably relate to on a deeper level is you love to see your kids enjoying things, right? When all the kids in our family became obsessed with Spidey, I'm like, Oh, that's so cute. What a nice hobby. Spidey is a good role model, even though him and his friends are never supervised, and they're literally six years old. The way I've come to fucking hate that group of kids, because you have the books. If music's playing in your house, it's the album. Now the TV show, I really can't stress how I want to kill Peter Parker and his annoying loser friends, Ghost Spider. What's the other one's name?

Spin Miles Morales. Spin.

The only one in the characters that I don't despise is Tracy. Tracy. Because Tracy, who exists, he's like a tarantula that lives at the web quarters.

He's their robot. He's like the- Who's not a spider? He's a spider-shaped robot.

Oh, wait. He's a tarantula. He's a spider. Am I dumb? Yeah, he's like the tech guy. He's like the one who's like, you're in.

Yeah, he's like, They're like, Tracy, help us out of here. He's Merlin from Kingsman. When they get older, they'll get that reference.

He's Reilly from National Treasure. I just rewatched National Treasure over the weekend, me and Ben, and it's Ben's favorite movie. For some reason, anything Ben likes it, I automatically is like, okay, that sucks. That also feels right.

My detox.

Yeah, I just assume everything Ben's obsessed with is a piece of shit. Are your overhead lights on?

No.

Okay, sorry. You scared me. Okay, sorry. Tech Department reared her ugly head. Sorry. When Ben National Treasure was on cable, I was like, Let's watch it. I was honestly in the mood to scroll on my phone anyway. I was like, Sure, yeah. It was an opportunity for me to be agreeable. Let me tell you, I was absolutely dazzled by this film. I was so mad that we watched it on cable instead of starting it from the beginning on Disney Plus, because then the next night we watch National Treasure 2 on Disney Plus. No commercials.

No commercials. Cable takes Outbit to be cops. Yeah, they got it.

Let me tell you that film is amazing. You're actually learning stuff. You are learning a lot about American history. It is stacked cast. I mean, the leading lady. Do you know who it is?

No.

What's her name?

Claire Daines.

Now I'm feeling like maybe it's not her. Who do you think it was? I thought it was the girl who was married to Joshua Jackson. Kruger. Is it not? Actually, I feel like it's not. Diane Kruger. Is she a National Treasure, or is it seriously a lookalike? No, it's her. Okay. Yeah, okay. Thank God.

She's great.

She's great. John Voight plays his dad.

He's great.

And then Angelina's dad. And then in the first movie, the big who they're fighting against for the Declaration of Independence, Ned Stark.

Not Ned Stark being the villain.

No, it's stacked. It is stacked, and it's so good. It stands the test of time. Family friendly. If you have a kid who's into history, I'm telling you, we are collectively sleeping on the national treasure.

No, I feel like the country is not sleeping on it. I feel good knowing that. I feel like it's up there as a national treasure, 100 %.

No, I think when we remark on it culturally, we make fun of I'm going to steal the Declaration of Independence. We make fun of Nicolas Cage.

Only because it's so much a part of our DNA as a people. And Nicolas Cage, he never has to work again because he was National Treasure. I feel like he gets his flowers.

When we finished the second movie, we were like, Okay, let's do the third.

See, there's three. Claudia, if somebody has three movies... There isn't. Okay.

There isn't. And there was drama around it, too. I was doing a brief research and development mission on Google, and they were going to make it, and then nobody wanted to do it, and then they were going to make it into a TV series. It was turned. It was cursed. So I feel like there was bad interpersonal relationships on the set of National Treasure, and that gives me a pit.

You know what you should watch if you want more National Treasure vibes? I didn't watch the movie, but I read the book, and I think the movie is Harry Potter level of adaptation. The Da Vinci Code. It's like France's National Treasure, but it's like art.

Oh, you know what? That's actually a good recommendation.

I think that's what you should watch.

My goal this weekend is to watch The Brutalist. I don't know how. If anybody... I don't obviously support pirating, but if any of our listeners are SAG members who get a screener, but SAG members are really strict about that. We texted Josh, we were like, Hey, do you happen to have one of those SAG approved screeners? Because we just watched the episode of Curb, where Larry's screeners get stolen and pirated on the internet, and he literally goes to prison. So I was reminded that actors get, back in the day, in the Larry David episode, it was DVDs, but today they get a link. And we were like, Hey, Josh.

How's it going? How's the fam?

Remember, he's already in Oppenheimer. He definitely gets screeners. One thousand %. He literally did not even answer us. That's how seriously he takes it. You know he would do anything for men, but not that.

Well, maybe he also knew you would tell this story on the toes. I watch a brutalist because Josh Peck sent me his.

No, by the way, if he had given it to me, I would never have said how I got it, of course.

Yeah, but if people were looking into it, it's a pretty clear connection. It's a straight path to Josh Peck.

Well, maybe I would I have lied and said I went to the movies. A little lie like that just to protect Josh's identity. Good name. I agree. Well, to be clear, for any of the Hollywood bigwigs listening, Josh totally respects the SAG system. He didn't even answer his best friend, his brother. And I still haven't seen the brutalist.

So you'll watch The Da Vinci Code. It was nominated for movie of the Year 15 years ago. I believe it. And that's classic us.

And yes, I don't want to- Yeah, we're just a little behind.

I don't wanted to get lost in the mix that I read The Da Vinci Code. I just want to push that. You'd North again.

You did- Set that down. Scurry past that very interesting fact.

I did. And much like you and Demer Copperhead, Demer, I read it, one, because it looked good, and two, because I wanted people to know I was reading it. So Of course. It's been two years, but I think we should circle back to that point. And I'm glad to let you guys know it's really good. It holds up.

Speaking of Barbara Kingsalver and the Da Vinci Copperhead, on Jeopardy, a couple of days ago, there was a category, literary, Pulitzer, something really me and Ben just tuned out. The first one was looking for the author of Demon Copperhead. I forget how they raised it.

Could you remember her name?

Of course I could, Jackie. I remember every fact of that book because it was my personality for six months. I was like, Who is King Solver?

Was Ben gooped and gagged?

Gooped. He hit the floor. He was like, Why? How did you know that? I'm like, Oh, you see that book on the windowsill? It's literally on my windowsill. I display it because I'm so proud. It's It's right next to Mike, The Situation's book. I said, You see that book over there? Pulitzer, okay? Pulitzer.

Did it win the Pulitzer or was it just nominated?

No, it won. No? Oh my God, not be making up. No, I don't know.

I'm just asking.

Demon Copperhead Pulitzer.

Then what won the next year? Maybe we should do that. Maybe that's a good book.

It won the fiction prize in 2023.

Okay, what won the fiction Pulitzer in 2024? Maybe that would be a good place to start for a book wreck.

Nightwatch by Jane Ann Phillips. A beautifully rendered novel set in West Virginia. Wow, they really love the What's that region called?

Appalachia. Appalachia. The Great American novel.

In the aftermath of the Civil War.

Nightwatch, it's called?

Yeah.

Two words?

Night. Am I speaking English?

I found it. Sorry, it wasn't coming up on Goodreads. I'll put it on my want to read. Sure.

Then Demon Copperhead in 2023. Oh, Demon Copperhead was a tie. Someone else, Trust by Hernan Dias, a rivening novel set in a bygone America that explores family wealth and ambition through linked narratives rendered... Okay, seriously, that's not even English. I don't know. It's a book.

Oh, wait. Club, this looks good. An unparalleled novel about money, power, intimacy, and perception.

That does sound good. That's not how they described it on pulitzer. Org.

I'm hitting the want to read.

In 2022, a book called The Netanyahu's by Joshua Cohen.

Oh, how scary.

I know. In 2021, The Night Watchmen. That's weird.

Yeah, they obviously have a favoritism.

I'm just literally scrolling to see if there's a book I do recognize. Yes, 2015, All the Light We Cannot See, one of the most popular Holocaust books of all time. And then in 2014, The Goldfinch. That was made into a movie, right? Yes, it was. Those are the ones that I recognize going back to the early 2000s. Yeah.

Okay. Well, thank you for that little literary lesson.

I've added- We're literally a podcast that talks about Pulitzer Prize, These other bitches could never.

These other bitches could never in any given episode, Pulitzer, sports, fashion.

Do you think the Da Vinci Code won a Pulitzer? Have we both read two different... I know you also read Dean Copperhead.

I don't think Da Vinci Code would have won a Pulitzer. I feel like it was too mainstream, if I may.

I feel like there are commercials for the Da Vinci Code.

It's like Harry Potter winning the Pulitzer, which it could have, maybe should have.

Oh, no. God forbid, something popular wins an award.

Well, that's why Demon Copperhead was popular.

You're going to be popular. Oh, my God. I got the funniest email this morning. It was forwarded to me. It was a dear toaster submission. I I have to read it, too. Okay? I know it's not...

We're just going to raw dog a deer toaster?

It's not funny enough for deer toaster, and it's personal to me.

Oh.

Hey, Jackson Turd, long-time listener, first-time writer. I love you, but I'm writing in with some real beef. I listen I went into your glowing review of the movie The Substance. Turd said she'd never seen anything like it, and I took her word for it. Because of this, I decided to watch this on a third date with a guy I really like, and he almost vomited at multiple points throughout the experience. Do I acknowledge the fact that with this potential suitor, that he cannot protect me in my time of need? Or do we just avoid scary movies for the rest of our courtship? Ps, Demi deserves to win the award. Pss, thanks for warning about the third boob. Yeah, it is a very graphic film in terms of needles and skin and blood. I know people do have physical reactions to that, but honestly, I feel like this is good for you. Let me reposition because she said she really, really liked him.

No, and it puts you in a position of power. Now he's feeling weak and small and embarrassed, and you have the upper hand.

Yeah, and you probably got a little bit of the ick, not enough to stop liking him. It's not his fault, but you can't even watch a movie without throwing up, what are you, six? So now I feel like you have a little bit less of a power imbalance between you and this guy. You're on equal playing fields now.

Yeah, your crush has been tempered a little bit, which is good for you. So you're welcome. And he's wanting to impress you now. And that's it.

You're welcome.

Yeah, and that's just a good thing to know about a potential partner. If they are a queezy type, it does bring me back to Dana's birth story.

Dana's birth story, which will live in infamy in my personal mind till the end of time.

Dana's birth story is on the Redheads episode of our October episode. But just to cut to the chase, her husband fainted in the delivery room. He decided to look over behind the curtain of a C-section, which they tell you not to do.

Literally, your entire body is open.

Right. Not only did he faint, which is very inconvenient, but he hit his head on the way down and had to go across the street to the other part of the hospital to get stitches. So he wasn't even with her for multiple hours after she gave birth.

Jackie, Dana said that they had to take him from the hospital to the emergency room, which is on the other side of the street, in an ambulance.

That's insane.

It is truly one of the craziest birth stories I've ever heard in my life.

So now that you have this red flag about this boyfriend that you have, this is good. Just make sure when you're giving birth, he is not near... Behind the curtain. The scene.

Yeah. How are the stories today?

Random, but Good. And I think we'll put a nice button on the week.

Oh, you know what? I've been targeted with a lot of content. I actually meant to download and send it to you, but I'm so overdoing that. I actually can't stress how over it I am. But a lot... And I feel like it's so unfair when people do this. When we find out something about someone, then you go back and watch all their content through that lens, you're like, Well, look, we could have told you.

Is this Matt James?

Yes. It's all this old TikTok reels content from Matt James and Rachel. And now knowing what we know about their relationship and just how unbalanced it was, and he was unemotional, maybe a little mean. If you watch his content, which was supposed to be at the time fun and playful, nobody thought anything at the time. Now, through that lens, it really is. I hate to be that person. It's mad. There was this video I saw this morning of him pushing her in the pool, fully clothed, fully dressed, and like, hard.

Okay. I didn't see that.

In front of his mom, in front of his mom and giggling. It was just like, okay.

I'm of two minds, and I haven't watched the video, so maybe if I watched them, I'd have a different my opinion, but just on its face, here's my issue. Yes, sometimes when you have more information, you can go back and look in things in a different lens, and it cast a different light on them. However, all of this stuff was posted on social media in the last three years. At the time. All of you guys were watching it. Every millions of people saw it, and nobody once said anything. So now it's so concerning to you. Whereas a year ago, he pushed his fully clothed girlfriend into the pool, and nobody said for one second, Hey, that's wrong. Now, I didn't see the video then. I didn't see it now, so this is not my personal problem. But it's not like these are super old things. Everybody's been watching. So now you want to compile something and make it look a certain way. And yes, perhaps it is exactly that way. I'm holding space for that. But I'm also holding space for the fact that this is something that people do. You had not seen these videos, and they weren't a red flag to you when you saw them.

So just consider that. You could do that with really anything. You could clip this show. I know. It's hard not to get caught up. You could clip this show. You could clip this show and find a bunch of moments- So true. Of us bullying each other and saying that girls hate each other.

Yeah, no, we're always calling each other fat and ugly.

We really are. It's true, because we are fat and ugly.

Well, speak for yourself. I'm just fat. Yeah, no, I know what you mean, but it's hard not to get swept up in the narrative, making stuff up.

As someone who hasn't watched the videos, I'm not swept up in it, but I could also see myself watching the videos and be like, Oh, shit, this is bad. I take back what I said. But it just does raise the question of why nobody thought those videos were weird in the last three years. At the time. You're the same. You still have eyes. It's on the same platform. Platform. He was posting them. It's not like he was caught out. I heard there was videos of him filming her eating, and she's obviously doesn't want to be filmed.

You can tell she's just like, Can we eat?

Where was anyone saying any of this when it was happening? Literally three weeks ago, three weeks ago. Three weeks ago, he was posting it.

No, it's a factual point she brings up.

I'll leave you with that. Jury's out.

It's Friday, which means we also have Queeny and Weeny. When I tell you I'm so fucking excited for Queeny and Weeny, mine came to me yesterday and I wrote it down. And you know, when you just know you're about to slay. I was writing it down like, That'll show them.

I just want to say, you've really set the bar high for yourself now.

And just to be clear, you, in particular, are going to... I'm going to what? I'm going to what? Love. I'm going to look at F. You're going to love my Queen of the Week.

Oh, I'm really excited. So you're saying the bar will be Met?

Yeah, I think I'm going to be doing the uneven bars, pretty much. That's what I think.

Okay. I look forward to seeing that.

You We should.

I do.

Good, because you will. Okay.

Well, I guess without further a do, do, do, do, would you say it is time? I would.

I would, for sure.

I forgot to move my roadcaster again, so I still don't know. I'm flying blind here.

No, by the way, I could tell you I have the Timer. It's time. Yeah. And you know what?

I'm going by how I feel. I'm trusting my body. I'm listening to my body.

Yes. Okay, sexy podcast today.

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Thank you/chert.

What can I say except you're welcome?

We did watch Moana as well, and I've got to see that scene. It's fresh as a daisy in my mind.

It's actually one of my least favorite scenes in the film.

What's your favorite scene?

See the light where the sky meets the sea. It calls me. That's my favorite scene.

I like Baby Moana. She's so cute.

She's so cute.

She's so cute. Okay, our first story is some new couple news. Ncn. Kyya Gerber has wasted no time. And she was spotted out with Louis Pullman, who plays Cal in Lessons in Chemistry. He's like the crazy mad scientist.

Oh, he's from Challenges?

He's from Challenges. If you've watched Challenges-Oh, wait, is he? Is he? Sorry, wait. To me, he's Lessons in Chemistry. Louis Pullman? Louis Pullman? Yeah.

Okay, how are you spelling Louis?

L-e-w-i-s.

How are you spelling Pullman?

The way that it sounds.

Pullman. Pullman.

Pullman.

Oh, I'm Sorry, no, that is not from Challenges. Excuse me, I got confused. Challenges is the guy who played young Prince Charles in The Crown.

Understood. I do feel like Louis Polman was also in The Crown in some way, but we're getting off track from the actual facts.

This is such a random guy for her to date.

Well, she's now spending time with Louis Polman. They were spotted hanging out at an LA restaurant. On his birthday, Louis' father, who was also an actor, Bill Polman, was also in attendance.

Running Bill Polman.

So many things in that one sentence. One, he's a fellow neppo baby, and I feel like on that level, they'll definitely connect. They'll have a lot in common and to talk about. Two, she's with him on his birthday. It was his 32nd birthday. That's serious. She's met the father. All of this in literally four weeks since they announced their split. But let's we not forget, her and Austin probably broke up in December, if not before that.

I googled the dad. I don't know him, and I don't think you will either, but he's a very accomplished character actor. He's done a lot of work for many years on different TV shows. I'm excited for the Kyah Gerber, Single Girl era. This is so unexpected. Because even her choosing Austin Butler was so obvious. I feel like any time she's been spotted with someone like Pete Davidson, she goes for the obvious choices, which I hate. I personally find that boring. So her going for this absolute rando, obsessed. Kind of obsessed. I'll leave it at that.

I'm into this as well, mostly because I love Lessons in Chemistry, and maybe if he was a random actor in a similar caliber show that I didn't watch, I wouldn't be as jazzed about this, but because I watched Lessons in Chemical, and it's such a good book and it's such a good show. It was a great show. And he plays a really great character. I'm just going to assume that he's very similar to his character. Calvin. Calvin. And therefore, Eric I'm going to ship wholeheartedly.

So random, but you know what this just reminded me of? I was scrolling TikTok this morning, I actually saw a bit of tea. A bit of tea? It was a clip from Watch What Happens Live. Austin Kroll was on.

So it's a story leading into our Southern Charm recap because you know I didn't miss it.

Okay, so I'll shut my big fat mouth. Sorry.

You know I didn't miss Southern Charm.

No, she never does. I FaceTimeed her. She's on the couch watching Southern Charm.

I'm like, okay. I could be anywhere in the world anytime. And if Southern Charm is on, I'm seriously watching with commercials.

But you're not going to be anywhere in the world. You're going to be home.

No, but I'm just saying the constant in my life and all different... Southern Charm has been on for a long time. I've lived in many different places. I've been in many different people, and I'll always watch it.

That's beautiful.

It's a bit of a precedent, really.

Back to Kyah Gerber. I just can't get over the sheer random nature of this pairing, although I'm not mad at it at all. I agree. If it was an actor from a show I didn't watch, I would seriously be clowning on this so hard right now. But he's a P-jum, and I feel like this will be really good for his career. He was an excellent actor in that show. I haven't seen him in anything else since then, so I don't know if it's been maybe he lost some of the momentum, and this might pick it back up.

Actually, knowing that now his dad is just a working, successful actor makes me feel like he's got things figured out career-pathwise. He doesn't have to be Austin Butler and everybody knows my name. It's like, No, I'm going to work, and I just love the craft.

I'm going to make a living, and I don't need to be the most famous person on the planet.

Right. He was also in Top Gun Maverick. He was? Yeah, he was obviously- Louis or Bill? Louis.

Let me look that right up.

I think he's at the beginning of a blossoming career.

I would hope so.

I really do. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's the nerdy one who takes off his glasses and everybody realizes he's handsome. Yeah. Oh, that's cute. Okay, so you know what? He's on his way.

And I feel like he's actually the opposite of Austin in the sense of... Austin was all glitz and glam. The roles, even though he was in three major pictures, the roles weren't there. Lewis is not glitz and glam, but the roles are there, I feel.

Yeah. The work ethic. I think what's more insulting than your ex of many years going on to date someone so polar opposite of you. I think a lot of girls and guys have a type, and they end up dating people who are all different versions of the same person, whether that's looks-wise or personality-wise, career-wise. So for her to pull a complete three-point turn and go to this absolute random dude?

Yeah.

I wonder, what does that say about Austin? I could see her, and you planted this in my mind, and I will blame you for it forever because it totally changed the way that I looked at Austin Butler because you were like... And you said it when you said it, you had insider information, but I think it was just- Okay, tell me what I said, and I'll let you know where you got it from. That he's just a really thirsty social climber, and part of his relationship with Kaya is that, obviously he likes her, what's not to like, but she is from a Hollywood royalty family, and he's constantly climbing the ladder from using these women, Vanessa and Kaya, using them to leverage his own career.

I don't know where I got that idea, but I agree with it. And I also feel like I got that idea from you. I feel like we fed off of each other.

No, you totally brought it up. We have to go find the episode. It's live on the podcast. I had no idea where you were talking about. And ever since then, I just see him like that. It was such a good call. I could totally see him being that way. And I feel like how he treated Vanessa Anne is actually- No, I think it just tracks.

He was with Vanessa Anne for 10 years, and then he I don't even know why they broke up. Then he's super successful and dating- Dating the hottest young model. Because that's been his trajectory. That's why I think that. Yeah.

By the way, I'm not mad at you. I completely agree. So having said that, I can see Kaya, maybe over the course of their relationship, she was starting to get onto him. Now she just wants to be so different than that because this guy, Louis Pullman, I don't know him, per se, but he just doesn't give thirsty social climber vibes. And I like that for Kaya, I do.

I do as well. Plus, don't forget she's a nerd.

Right. She has a book club.

She actually does read a lot, for real. But she also wants you to know she's not just a model. She is a nerd, too.

What is it with these six-foot-tall gazelles who are beautiful, born into wealth and fame, who are just desperate for us to know that they are also nerds? Like Kendall Jenner, of course, Kaya Gerber comes to mind. They're always in every interview. Now, they don't say it so much anymore because it's become a cliché. People used to call it out, and it became a whole trend. That's how the whole internet, not like other girls thing started.

Carly Coss.

Yeah. I'm a nerd. I like computers. Then Kendall is like, No, me and my friends, we are nerds. We just love to paint. And Kaya is like, on a Saturday night, I'm a nerd. You'll probably catch me cozy up with a good book.

I don't know what that is. And even though that, it's probably true. Okay, you're reading, you're not a nerd.

Not only that, I don't find that admirable. If I'm Kaya Gerber, if I'm Kendall Jenner, if I'm Carla Claus, if I'm born either so perfect-looking or into a perfect family with wealth and Fame, I'm a lot of things. I'm not becoming a nerd. You couldn't drag me back to nerd time. I'm becoming a coke whore. I'm becoming a sexy slut. I'm doing all of the things that only girls who look like that can get away with. Please, we are good. The nerd community is good. Go do you.

Are you a nerd?

No.

Because you said we are.

I was speaking on behalf of a community that I like, but no, I don't identify with.

Yeah, I don't identify as a nerd, and I've never feel called to.

No, and I do feel bad for nerds because I think the word has become cringe.

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Are you ready for our next story? It's actually a follow-up to yesterday's story because Chiara Fragny is in the news for two major reasons.

Oh my God, I meant to I can tell you about this to bring it up as a story.

As we were talking about her business issues yesterday, her Instagram stories must have been expiring, where she went in on the fact that she's no longer with Fides and what happened between them.

So we were right to say that there was something going on. And yesterday, she literally just told us everything. Because there's also an Italian podcaster/journalist who has been exposing this, doing episodes. I don't know if it's in conjunction with Chiara, but exposing Ferez and what he's done.

Yes. So on Wednesday, January 29th, she decided to break her silence and open up like never before through her Instagram. In a series of four Instagram stories, she shared what she went through during her seven-year marriage with Fidez, admitting that she tolerated, quote, disrespect and justified wrong behavior in the name of love. For months, I chose to stay silent to protect myself and my family from two situations that have deeply affected me, but I can't keep quiet anymore. I spent seven years in a relationship where I loved without limits, loved even when there were so many reasons to walk away. I put up with situations where I would have told any friend, don't do this to yourself, because to me, love also meant sacrifice. I kept excusing disrespect and justifying the wrong behavior to protect him, to protect our family, to protect our relationship, because I always saw myself as the strong one, the independent one, the one who had to hold it all together. She also admitted that she chose to stay silent to avoid the public fallout that the situation could cause. What shocked people the most was the confirmation that Fidez had been in an extramarital relationship for six of the seven years that they were married.

She said- He was talking to the girl on his wedding day. Yeah.

He was asking the girl to give him assurance. A reason to leave. Yeah. She said, I felt sick when I realized everything I had lived was a complete lie, but I suffered in silence. I stayed quiet because I wanted to move forward without focusing on the pain I had been through, and because I have two children who will one day hear about everything their parents say about each other, and certain things will hurt them. But deciding, together with his friend, to make even more details public, probably as revenge for his mistress's unrequited love, was truly a low blow. So apparently, he called his mistress just before walking down the with Chiara and asked his mistress to tell him to run away and be with him forever, and she didn't. And so he went through marrying Chiara because also he didn't know how to call it all off. As you said yesterday, their marriage and their wedding was the biggest story.

Globally, but especially in Italy, they are like a... I'm trying to think of who a comparison. They're like a Ben and Turdy. No, I'm kidding. Italian royalty People fucking die for them. He's this rapper. Obviously, we don't know any of his work, but in Italy, he's a huge... People think he's so hot. They love his music. And she's this boss babe bitch. I understand the pressure of being that perfect couple, but There's so many layers to this that are probably so deeply painful for Chiara. One, obviously, that the entirety of your marriage, to have any infidelity is devastating. But from the time that you got married, from the day that it's been going on, that's really devastating. But then also coming to terms with the fact that you got married because of the unrequited nature of that affair. It's like your man's mistress didn't even want him.

Right. It's not like he chose you. It's just he had nowhere else to go.

Right. By default, that's a terrible feeling, I imagine. Yeah.

What a piece of shit. Piece of shit. I didn't really know him before, just from the background of Kiara's stories. But their whole life seems It seemed like a fairy tale. It's that old adage, but it just always rings more and more true. It's like, you never know what is going on between two people. So before you start to envy or compare yourself or think, we don't look as in love as they do, and we don't get to do the things. Just don't even... Because you never, ever know. This is worse than anything that you might have thought was off between them. No, it's so true. Like, literally on his wedding day, he's talking to his mistress, and we continue to have a six-year. They have two kids, and he as a girlfriend.

It's so corny, but it really is the takeaway here because I'm sure there are people who watch them and just were filled with envy for that type of love and life and marriage and family and all the nice houses. To be honest, No, there aren't enough nice houses to keep someone in a marriage like that, for real.

Yeah. And I guess she's only speaking out now because he has shared stuff that has embarrassed her. That's what she said in her post, because I understand she... I mean, she seems like the type to just Like, tough it. Tough it out, do it for her kids. And then even when they break up to not say anything for her kids. But they're so far gone in terms of keeping the veil over.

Yeah. Themselves. No, and this is something I personally struggle with, and maybe I'll understand it more or feel differently when I'm blessed one day with a child. But I get so mad when people are protecting their... He's the father of my child. I don't give a fuck. He's a dick. Everybody needs to know in celebrity world.

Yes, but I feel like there's different things. There are just people who split up because they're growing apart. They don't get along. They don't respect each other. They can't communicate, and there's slites here and there. And then those people usually don't go and tell every fight that they ever had with their husband, because that's just personal people's business. But then there are things that are so egregious that are going to come out anyway, that it's better for you to live in... It's out there. Yeah. And for you to just be able to move on from it. So I understand if she never wanted to mention it, but I think that that chip has sailed in terms of keeping the lid on it. And when it's just typical irreconcilable differences or whatever, no, we don't need to know. I Oh, you want to know you want to know the business? But we can guess. You guys just don't like each other anymore.

No, if it's boring, sure. Not that it's boring. But when there's big drama- Not that it's boring.

I'm sure everyone fights our drama, but it's standard.

Yeah. You know? This is just They're so fucking crazy.

Yeah.

Because I think anybody... But they were two people who were really individually famous, but together as a couple. That's also hard. When you get more attention as a couple, so you want to stay together more, but the relationship is not working out, but you don't want to give up all the opportunity. And there are two people who were definitely both individually really famous, but somebody who lives in a different country. I heard about them so much as a couple, more as a couple than ever individually.

Yeah. They remind me a little bit of Molly May and Tommy, except they're even bigger because they came from two different worlds and fused together. It's a great call. Like a rock star. And Italy's number one influencer, bar none. Molly and Tommy came up together, really. So their fans were always the same, but you had these two huge fan bases for Chiara and Fides.

But it is the perfect comparison.

Yeah. Then when they break up, except for Molly and Tommy, I think most of the time it was a fairy tale, and that's what she was saying. It's not like they weren't in love. It's not like there was infidelity.

It was just big smoke and mirrors the whole time.

There was just other stuff going on, and I think they will end up back together if they're not already, which it seems as though they are. It's not totally comparable, but yeah, this is really shocking and really sad. She seems so tough. Also, I remember her other We had a relationship before this, which was long term and serious, and he was her business partner, I think. And he totally stole her business. She was fighting for years to get her name back, the blonde salad, Kiara, in litigation for years. Every relationship has been a nightmare for this girl.

Oh, my God, that's so strange.

Yeah.

Well, it's just important to remember that key takeaway here, especially when it comes to internet stuff. Nothing is what it seems.

Right. Don't compare yourself to other people, really.

Really? It's true. Yeah. Your life is fab.

Yeah, it's yours.

Just the way you are.

Are you ready for our next story?

Number three? Yeah.

Yeah. Because it is some Grammys news. This is our last episode for the Grammys.

What are they on Sunday?

They are on Sunday, and we have performers and presenters. And notably, Taylor is presenting at the Grammys, so that has everyone in a tizy.

Which isn't crazy, but it's more so a confirmation of her attendance, which she does usually go, especially when she's nominated for Album of the Year. But who knows these days, what she's up to with the Super Bowl.

Right. But I think she could pop into the Grammys, and I think she'll give out Album of the Year because she won last year. That feels right.

She can't give She's nominated.

What is she nominated for?

Tortured Poets.

Are you okay? I thought she won for Tortured Poets last year. Did she win for Album of the Year last year for Midnight?

Yeah. Yes, she's won for Midnight. She won for- The last year, she won for Nights. Was that last year?

Yeah. I'm sorry. That's why I'm like, She's wearing her Tortured Poets dress, and she won Album of the Year. I just assume, Oh, my God. So maybe she won't announce.

No, she won't announce Album of the Year.

Oh, so she'll just announce like, Jo Schmo, whatever.

Yeah, like maybe new artist to Sabrina.

That's probably the only category she's not nominated for this year. Right.

2024 winner was... Let me just make sure I'm saying this correct. Yeah, Taylor Swift.

Yeah.

That's crazy that she releases an album a year now.

Yeah. Okay, so this is the year of the stacked album of the year because- Yes.

Brat, Short and Sweet, Tortured Poets.

Taylor, Beyoncé, Cowboy Carter. So that will be interesting. And And here are the performers.

Okay. And then also, do you think Travis is going? The timeline does line up because it is a buy week. It's the Pro Bowl. So people who play in the Super Bowl are not playing a game. Although I imagine you're under rigorous training and practice schedules. I would love to see him?

I don't think he's going, and I don't think he should go. I think for the team, these two weeks before the Super Bowl, we are drilled in. It's true. And it just sends a bad message. Message. I don't think... And I also feel like there have been other times where it's Taylor's big night, and Travis should be her side. And for their first red carpet appearance, I don't think this one is it.

What would it be?

Watch. I mean, not that they were ready then, but the eras to her movie.

Eros, yeah. Like her own project. Yeah.

Even last Grammys, it felt more palpable that they could show up together. He's literally playing in the Super Bowl the following week. I would find it weird if he goes. Okay. And I feel like because I'm being so adamant about it, he's going to go.

They're going to go. Yeah.

So you're welcome. Performers: Billy Eilish, Chapel Roon, Sabrina. Can't wait to see her up there shaking that thing. Charlie XCX. That'll be interesting to see how she stacks up comparatively.

Yeah, it will. I don't know why. I just feel like the whole Brad era is like, now I'm a conspiracy theorist.

You've been soured on Brad.

No, not soured, because I think some of the songs are definitely good, but I feel like it was overhyped in Not even in my mind. Somebody overhyped it to me. And I don't even know, what performer is she?

Well, I saw her perform on SNL, and it was really terrible. So I hope she's doing something else.

Cool. Switching it up.

Yeah. Stevie Wonder.

Classic. Obsessed.

Shaquira.

Go off. Oh, baby, when you talk like that.

John Legend.

Okay.

Cynthia Arevo.

Obsessed. She did 6-7 from Wicked?

I don't know. I'm sure I could maybe because Wicked maybe is nominated for soundtrack or something.

But Grammys doesn't do anything movies.

I know, but they should do movie song.

I feel like Cynthia Reevo could be tapped to do either during the In Memorium They always just need someone with a party voice, or if they're going to do a tribute to somebody who passed away this year, they just are always tapping true talents for that.

Chris Martin and Coldplay.

Okay. So Coldplay. Why they say it like that?

What is he special? Because they just were showing pictures of each celebrity, and so they wanted to show Chris Martin. Janel Monet. Okay. Benson Boon. Oh, he's good.

He is, but I have to say something.

What?

That song is really good. So if you don't know who Benson Boon is, it's totally normal, but you probably do know the song, These Beautiful Things That... Yeah. Please. And so it's a really good song, and it was having a huge year. Okay, now, maybe I take back what I'm going to say. Never mind. Okay.

Because you don't stand by it or because you just don't want to go there?

Well, because someone would say, Well, Claudia, you don't feel that way about Shibuzi. Because if you said Shibuzi was performing at the Grammys this year, I'm like, Good, he showed me at the song of the Year. But it's like this Benson character is just everywhere. It's like everything, and you have one song. It's the same way I feel about Dasha. But for some reason, when it's Shibuzi, it doesn't bother me.

Oh, Dasha.

Dasha is did your boots stop?

I feel like maybe Shibuzi doesn't bother you because I confirm he has a whole album full of bops, and he is that guy.

And by the way, I'm sure that these other people have other songs on their album that I just don't know, and I don't think a lot of people know. I dare one person to name another Dasha song besides Austin, and same for Benson Boon. And I'm sure most people couldn't name another Shibuzi song, honestly.

So Benson Boon, going all these places because he has one song doesn't bother me, because I feel like I've heard some of his other stuff just like on Shuffle, and he's just really talented, and I wish good things for him. Other people who have one song, and it's just the one song over and over again, I just don't feel like they have a second act coming up, it's annoying. So I agree with that.

So that's how I feel about Benson Boon.

But like, Benson Boon is filling the Lewis Capaldi-shaped hole in my heart.

Yeah, in your heart. Do you listen to that TikToker? Alex Warren, I think his name is.

Carry You Home.

Yeah. So he is an Ogie hype house member. He was a part of a couple that was a TikTok-y couple. I think they're married now. And he started releasing music, and everyone's like, Okay, good luck with your little project. And he has released such amazing music, and he's getting so much hype. I think his songs do incredibly well. He just did a... He released another version of one of his popular songs, and Joe Jonas is on it. He's really making waves. And he is a very... Not only does he sound like Lewis Capaldi, he looks I can do.

Let me tell you, I didn't know any of that backstory about him, that he's a TikTok or anything. I listen to his music because it comes up on my Spotify because that's the music I like. And he's up there with Ben Sibu. To me, they're the same person in terms of where they came from, which is just Spotify release.

Jackie, did you ever watch the Hype House Netflix show? I believe he's a character on it, him and his girlfriend.

Shockingly, I know this is going to really surprise everyone. You didn't watch it? I never watched the Netflix Hype House show.

Oh, you were missing out. That was so good. But okay, so you really don't know him.

But I'm glad to know that... I'm actually glad that I was introduced to him without knowing that, because to me, he's just a serious artist.

Do you know this song? You knew the house was burning down. I had to get out. That's also the one Joe Jonas hopped on. You will love a Margot really put me on. Margot started streaming him. I'm like, Margot, are you really streaming that TikTokeer guy? She was like, Claudia, the music stands out. It stands on its own. I was like, okay.

He has made it to my liked songs.

I can't believe that you know him, not even I'm not even having anything to do with TikTok.

That's crazy. Literally five songs a month make it to my liked songs, and I listen to my liked songs. Yeah. Headlights.

Yeah.

That's on my liked songs.

Is there one that's called The House Was Burning Down or something?

I'll find it. It's not on my liked songs, but maybe I should add it. I will add it.

No, you should add it. It's a really Pargie song.

It is called Burning Down.

That's the one.

And Burning Down with Joe Jonas. Which way do I go?

Go with the O-G first, and then you'll dip your toe into the special effects. Okay, sounds good. Did you see Rascal Flat's Jonas Brothers Q-Lab dropped today?

I did. I was about to listen to, but I was listening to the New Morgan Wallen song that dropped, and then I got distracted. But then this conversation reminded me Rascal Flat.

It's a good season of music right now.

Yeah, I know. I'm really excited.

I have high hopes for this Rascal Flats Club. I haven't listened to it yet, but if it's bad, I'll be pissed.

I'll just blame the Jonas Brothers, so it's fine.

That's actually a really foolproof plan. Right? It's not Rascal's fault.

No. If it's great, Rascal- That's for damn sure. Rascal gets the credit, but if it's bad, blame the Jonas Brothers.

Do you want to know more Grammys performers? Oh, I thought we were done. Sorry. No.

I'll go quickly. Doche, Teddy Swims, Jacob Collier, Brad Paisley, Ray- Okay, we could have stopped when we did. Lanie Wilson, Sheryl Crow, Saint Vincent, Brittany Howard, Herbie Hancock. It's a lot.

Great. I'm sure some of them will be doing something together, but that's a lot of performers. Yeah.

Not that many exciting ones, actually. I agree.

It all comes out in the wash. We're left with Cynthia Arevo.

Sabrina.

And Sabrina.

Heart's up for Sabrina. I've never seen her. Maybe there will be a surprise performer like Beyoncé or something. I feel like that could happen.

I actually, I wouldn't count on it.

Or Taylor.

I wonder where Beyoncé is going to go.

Why wouldn't Taylor perform?

She doesn't really. The last time she performed was the folklore Willow era, which was one of her most iconic performances of all time. But when she's nominated, she's pretty much guaranteed to show up. She usually shows up, but not perform. Okay. I don't I don't think Beyoncé will perform either, only because I think, odds-wise, I don't think she has a high likelihood of taking home a lot of awards this year. I don't think it's her year.

I was actually just reading an article about Beyoncé, an album of the year, and all the times that she was nominated and didn't win. And in there is one true snub that she should have won that year.

I am Sasha Fiers.

No, I think it was called Beyoncé. It was the self-titled album, and it was the year that Beck won. I'm sorry, who is Beck in this world? Not to offend everyone.

I actually remember I remember being socially conscious for that year where Beck won over Beyoncé, and the internet was so mad. It was like, We'll see in five years if anybody knows who Beck is, and we don't. No.

I'm sure the internet was mad, and at the time, I'm sure Beck's album was really good, but those It was Beyoncé. That was a more prevalent album and carried on. But then the other time she lost was to Taylor Swift, Fearless, which...

Yeah. Which stood the test of time.

Adele 25.

It stood the test of time.

And then what was the other one?

Or maybe it was just three. No, but it's not even so much about the album. It's about the other nominated, too. Yeah.

And the other two times that she should have won, it was just a stack category. Categories. This year is also a stack category, and I don't think Cowboy Carter is even as album of the Year worthy as I am Sasha Fierce, Lemonade, or Beyoncé was.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think it's her year. So I don't even know if she's confirmed to show up, and I don't think she's going to perform. She's like, I'm not going to waste my talent on you bitches.

But you don't think that they might give her Album of the Year because Jay-Z read them to filth in his speech last year?

No, I don't think they would want to indulge that behavior. Also, who is Jay-Z in this world in this moment? His social cache has gotten down severely since he was accused, just accused of allegedly assaulting a 13-year-old. Personally, I don't negotiate with people like that. Yeah.

I just feel like, I don't know. I feel like they might want to just finally give it to her, and then here she is nominated, even though this wouldn't be the year.

No, there's too many. It's Chapel, Sabrina. There's too many in that category.

And for me, it's Sabrina.

1,000 %. I actually had a dream about Sabrina last night. I was listening to Short and Sweet in my head while I slept.

More than tortured It's for you?

No. Like, Tortured Poets.

So for you, it's Tortured Poets?

Yeah. And I actually do think she'll win.

Okay. Well, we'll see on Sunday, and we'll see on Monday.

Because I didn't think Midnight was going to win. And if she didn't, I wasn't going to riot. It was a stacked year last year. I think that this year is a year I would riot. If on the scale of rioting, I would riot.

Yeah. There would be a riot.

Breaking up my heart, I try to fight it. I could go out every night, but I'd be lying. And that's what we said, Rascal Flatts has never made a bad song. So if the collab is bad, like Jackie said, it's the Jonas Brothers' fault. Blame Kevin. Well, before we keep going, let me let you know that the rest of today's episode is brought to you by Sonobello. And it is so hard for me not to say Sonobello, but it's Sonobello. So Genetics Genetics can be beautiful. Maybe you got your mom's eyes, her great skin, but they can also be a nightmare. So some of my friends, I hear them say, Oh, I got my mom's belly and love handles. Don't let genetics be the thing that holds you back from getting the body that you deserve, and check out the permanent solutions by Sonobello. So our friends at Sonobello are offering you a fabulous deal. It's really the most well-known secret with celebrities and influencers, and you are now included in the New Year's savings event. Appointments are limited, so make sure to get on it. Sonobello doctors are masters in micro laser fat removal.

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Okay, our fourth story just got swapped in because news has emerged about it. It's not breaking news. But basically, Reese Witherspoon was just talking about... She was saying how she lost a dear Hollywood friend because she made a speech at an awards show that was a bit bawdy, and now this person- What's bawdy mean? Inappropriate and- Risque. Risque. She's gay, and now this person doesn't talk to her anymore. So I was like... Without knowing who that is, that is so uninteresting. It's an uninteresting story, agreed. Without knowing what the speech is, whatever. So the A-list actress who doesn't talk to Reese Witherspoon anymore has seemingly been identified, including the speech That's the speech that she made. Speech.

Let me guess.

I don't know how you could guess.

Salma Blair.

No. And the speech is from a while ago, so before we were paying attention. Earlier this week, Reese Witherspoon said in an interview that a fellow Hollywood star allegedly ended their friendship after she called out their idea to get laser hair removal while presenting her with an award. For the sake of privacy, Reese refused to name drop the actress during the candid chat. However, after some sleething, Just Jared has reported that the-Thank you, Thank you, Jared. Thank you, Jared. The mysterious celebrity Reese was referring to was Kate Winslet. During the 2007 BAFTA LA Cunard Britannia Awards, classic.

How did I miss that?

Reese was presenting She presented Kate Winslet with the Prestigious Artist of the Year Award. So Kate had asked her to do the speech to present-So they were really tight.

You ask someone you're low-key fucking with to do that. Right.

While standing in front of an audience to present the star Ries kicked off her speech by saying, I always wanted to be a European movie star, wear giant sunglasses, elaborate neck scarves, smoke hand rolled cigarettes, and have savoir faire and gravitas. Imagine my good fortune when Kate Winslet moved into my neighborhood, rang my doorbell and said, darling, Sam is off shooting, and I believe our children are the same age. Could they possibly have a play date? ' And, 'Oh, by the way, it's almost nine o'clock and I've had nothing to drink. Do you have any wine? During her speech, Reece praised Kate Winslet for her fearlessness. However, she also called her out for peeing all over herself in front of Harvey Keitel in Holy Smoke. She further pointed out that she wanted to tell more of their stories but couldn't because they were too bawdy or tawdy or drunken to tell, including the time they contemplated laser hair removal. The revelation comes just one day after Reece calledosing a friend for roasting her in a speech while presenting her with award. Ries said, This literally haunt her to this day. She said, So this friend of mine who I didn't really know that well, but she was a very serious, proper actress.

She asked me to give her an award because Reese had never been to that particular awards ceremony. She thought it was like a roast. So I got up and I roasted her before pointing out that the tone of the gala was British and elegant and classy.

Oh, my God. Okay. Because at first I was like, Oh, so lame of Kate Winslet. And then the more you told the story, I'm like, Wait, Reese Witherspoon is the villain in this story. That's really inappropriate. And so the fact that she looks back on it now with the self-awareness to be like, No, I was wrong for that. I'm glad she wasn't trying to throw Kate Winslet under the bus. She's throwing herself under the bus. And that's really funny. And I would love for these to reconnect. Obviously, Reese knows what she did wrong. She has listened and learned. I just went on such a journey while I'm listening. I'm like, How am I going to defend Reese? She sounds like a bitch.

No, I feel like she, what is this, 15 years on has realized she was wrong. It literally gives her a pit. Sometimes you just misread a situation. You do the wrong thing. It happens. I feel like that happens at a lot of weddings. If you're asked to give a speech about someone, and sometimes people bring up inappropriate stuff, and they just misread I know sometimes that stuff kills, and there is a line, but it's so hard to know where that line is. I feel like this is a very actually relatable thing of making a speech for someone and they did not like it. If you didn't have the strongest relationship beforehand, I wouldn't want to be friends with that person anymore.

Why bother pursuing? But I do like this little window into how these two became friends. Like, literally just knocking on your door being like, we have kids the same age. Obviously, they knew who each other was on a professional basis. To be famous and wealthy.

Yeah, but then you have, at least with you, if it's you're talking at your friend's wedding and you fuck up, okay, it happened.

Right. I need to see this speech for sure.

See Kate's reaction when she walks up.

Yeah, But the thing that she said before the arm pit thing was worse. Peeing herself. Oh, peeing... Right.

Yeah. And just talking about all the drunken antics.

Yeah. I would also stop being friends with that person for what it's worth on a global stage.

I think I would, too, especially if it was a new friend, I'd be like, Oh, this person can't be trusted. They obviously have bad instincts, and they don't know what's for the private.

Especially when you're a public person, a lot of things probably need to be kept for the private, and you need somebody who's got instinct, knows when to talk and when to shut up.

So I'm sure that was a learning moment for Reese. I have no ill will against Reese for this. I feel sympathy for her. Sometimes you have to learn a lesson the hard way.

Yeah, I agree. She's a better woman now because of this. Yeah.

So funny. I'm glad we I figured out who it was.

Me too, because these stories where we're all just endlessly guessing, and there's no way to know who it truly is. I find boring. But the James Van der Beek story that last week, we pretty much figured out. And now, Kate Winslet, love.

No, and without knowing who the celebrity was and what the speech was, we would have been like, Oh, who in Hollywood has a stick up their butt that they didn't like Reese Witherspoon's speech?

Yeah.

Our fifth and final story leading into our TV recap is Austin-Oh, yeah. Is Austin Kroll revealing his thoughts on the rumors that Paige is with another guy. Austin and Patricia were on Watch What Happens Live last night, and they were asked a lot about the breakup. Austin confirmed that Paige has allegedly moved on with another guy when a scholar asked what he thinks about the rumors that she's with this guy. And he said, I don't think that those are rumors. I think that they've been substantiated. He confirmed that Craig knows as And he explained, he didn't for a minute, but yeah, I think he's fully come to terms with that, that that's not a rumor. And then Andy was like, wow, okay. Meanwhile, Paige then commented on an Instagram video of this moment saying, yes, a man I haven't spoken to in six months knows exactly what I'm doing.

Right. So at first I was like, oh, this clip is sad. Because I actually don't know if Paige has moved on. There was a lot of hoopla around that Eagles's game, but it's not official. And there was so many fake rumors about her with Marcello. So seriously, I don't know. I genuinely don't know. But I was just like, Okay, maybe she is seeing that Yeah. And then Austin being like, Yeah, we've come to terms with the fact that it's not a rumor. She's just dating someone, and that's hard, and we're figuring it out. And he was speaking on behalf of Craig, and I was like, Oh, sad. And then I was just scrolling the comments on TikTok this morning, and I saw a page at the top. I was like, Oh, shit. So is that her saying she's not dating anyone?

I think it's just her saying... I'm sure there's more to this story, whether it was a first date. I feel like also maybe Austin is trying to make it seem like she has a boyfriend, which she probably doesn't. I feel like there's just always more color that can be added. So him speaking on something about a person that he doesn't talk to and hasn't spoken to, what do you really know?

That's annoying for Paige, if She hasn't spoken out about her dating life and her ex's random friend who she's not friends with talking about it. It's like, Stop.

And who she's always had beef with because of Sierra. Even this season of Southern Charm, Craig and Page are together, and Craig is having beef with Austin. And every time Paige is there, she's telling Craig, just cut this guy out. Move on with the podcast. Obviously, they didn't even get along in good times. So for him to be the one speaking on her in bad times, it's like, How do you know?

No, she's right for that.

Yeah, I agree with that. And a little bit of Southern Charm recap. So last night, the boys are reuniting. This season is really centered on Austin and Craig. The girls are fighting, but they have this podcast. Yes. Pillows and beer. They do it twice a week, and it's based on their friendship. But they are not really friends right now because Craig just wants to sit home and knit and be in his backyard. And Austin is like, Settle down. And Austin is like, Buddy, where are you at? And it's hard to call it because now, knowing that Paige and Craig have broken up, and I feel like in the season, Craig is making a lot of these decisions because he's in this serious relationship with Paige, and he doesn't go out because he spends his time with Paige at home.

They're the right decisions for him in that moment.

Right. And now I think viewers are quick to say, Well, oh, he was doing all that because of Paige, and now that they're broken up, he was wrong. I don't think he's wrong for wanting to be in a more mature phase of his life. The way that the men on Southern Charm live and act- The man? Men.

You said man.

I think I said men.

It was giving a woman.

I'll have to watch it back.

Yeah, thank God we're recording.

Yeah, that's like Cody Simpson performing at the CMAs.

Which I'm still waiting for.

The way that the men on Southern Charm live and Act is not something that should be modeled whatsoever. So if Craig wants to break free from that mold in a very serious way, I am so supportive of it. They seriously need to grow up. So I don't think it's fair to just be like, Well, now I'm sure Craig's crawling back to his friends. He's allowed to want to live a more serious lifestyle, take his work seriously and whatnot. But Austin is just casual buddy looking for his friends, and I just feel like they need to make up like, This is stupid. Craig offered to pay him $30,000 to leave the podcast and give it to him.

Austin offered Craig or Craig offered Austin?

Craig offered Austin. Because getting to- Just to basically buy the rights? Yeah, because it's been hard to do the podcast together when they're not friends, and the show is about their friendship. He said Austin always just shows up hung over. Craig does all the work for it anyway. Admin. Can you just give it to me?

Okay, it's giving Sophia and Alex.

Yeah, it really is, except they're guys and the things that just roll off their back. Literally, one minute, they are laughing, and the next minute, they are fighting and also crying about their hurt feelings. It's shocking. I hope that they work it out, though. I like all of their friendships, but they do need to find their new normal. And maybe that does change again now that Craig is single, but still, he doesn't want to be getting the bars.

It sounds like based on Austin and Watch Your Happens Live, it sounds like they're close again.

Yeah, which is nice. He'll need his friends now.

But I don't want Craig to revert to that lifestyle. No.

I don't think so. But Austin's now in a serious relationship.

Good. Yeah.

Then the other Another crazy thing that happened is JT. I've been telling you, JT is just a ticking time off on this show. I just also learned that he put out an Instagram story statement saying that he has left the show in post-production.

Oh, so you know something bad is coming?

Because he said they wanted to do more on-camera interviews. He said he's filmed already 10 this season, and he won't be doing the rest, and he is leaving the show. This season has been really bad for JT South. He just comes up looking so bad. One thing that he always had, he has It's a blossoming relationship with Vanita, and they're really cute, and they go shopping, and she texts his mom, and they get along really nice.

Friendship or?

Friendship that is flirtatious. It looks like it's headed somewhere. And so last night on the episode, she invites him over for dinner, cooks for him. She's going to tell him how she feels. She's like, When I like someone, I want to tell them how I feel and make it really easy for them. Here's a brand Zino. I like you.

Let's get it pop in. Let's so mature.

Even on last week's episode, they had this weird conversation when JT stormed out of the party, and he's saying, Oh, Vanita, I love you. It was just like, Are you guys about to kiss? That's literally how I felt. Are you guys about to kiss? Then this week, they're about to talk about their feelings, and she says that she likes him, and he says, I'm seeing someone.

That's weird.

Weird that you would flirt with Vanita and make her feel this way when you're seeing someone. Vanita said that she knew that he was talking to someone, but not that it was in a stage where the door was closed. It was serious. Now it just feels so clear that he was using Vanita. She was the last person on the show who really had a soft spot for him, and I feel like he was flirting with her and just being really- Yeah, because I'm sorry.

As evolved as we are, two straight, different-gendered people becoming best friends is not normal.

Yeah, and they're new friends, too. It's not like they're brother and sister from growing up.

So their being romantic undertones is very normal and real, and him pretending like, What? I hate.

Yeah. It's also weird for his new relationship because it was like, if I was the other girl and he's been talking to me the way that he is, and that he's even sitting on my couch having a conversation, and JT is saying, I do like you, and I feel the chemistry, but I'm seeing someone. It's like even saying that to someone when you're someone. He's fucked all around. He's Burnbridge is with Madison, with Austin, now Craig, Sally, Taylor, everyone. So at a certain point, how could he even be on this show? He has no friends left. But it was just like, if more people Southern Charm, he would be my Weanie of the Week because it was the biggest weaning moment. It was so crazy. You really thought they were about to kiss on the couch. And I was like, But you made fish. Oh, no.

I was head for Vanita.

No, I'm happy for her because she seriously is dodgeable.

Yeah, well, for sure.

Anyways, that's what's new in Charleston. And I'm telling you, things between Molly and Shep continue to bubble.

After you said that last week, a lot of people in the comments and on our pages were commenting that they echoed your statement. It's this obvious thing. You're not the only one who sees it.

Right. They flashed back to last week when they were watching Molly's concert on her tuba. One of the cast members said to... Sorry that I can't remember his name. He's always on the show, and he just can't remember. Sorry.

He said- Sorry to this man.

He told Shep that Molly had told him that she has feelings for Shep, but in a sweet way. She was like, she was like, oh, okay. Then this week, things are starting to go south with Shep and his 20th your old Bahamian model girlfriend because not only did she ghost him for three days. But Patricia, by the way, growing up is having a newfound appreciation for Patricia. Patricia told Madison that before Cierra started dating Shep, she was hitting up Whitney.

Although I don't really trust any information that comes from Whitney. I think he's the devil. I don't know, but the thing is Whitney...

Patricia was like, Whitney will kill me that I said this because I told Whitney, you have to tell Shep. And Whitney was like, no, no, no. Whitney actually doesn't want to be in the drama anymore, for real. But then Patricia just had to share this. But I think it's becoming clear that Sierra really wanted to be on this show. Yeah. And doesn't really care about Shep.

Well, there's always Molly.

As one ship is sailing- Door closes. Another one might be coming into port.

So we shall see. That's beautiful. Let's do Weanie and Weanie of the Week, a great way to wrap up the week. It's been a It's a fabulous week here, you guys. Jackie and I, every Friday, like to do a little game that we call Weanie of the Week and Weanie of the Week, where we give out an award to two different people, someone who acted like a queen this week and somebody who acted like a weanie this week. Just know it's all fun and games. You can be queenie one week, weenie the next. It's a seven-day title, and it's not that serious. Okay. So would you like to do queenie or weenie first?

We will do queenie first, as we always do. I'll go first because yours is so amazing that I don't want it be upended. But my queenie of the week is the obvious queeny in the room with us, which is our new studio.

Of course. Toast.

What era is this? 4.

0 is my queen. Are we counting the breath?

Yeah.

The breath and then the pink with the thrones, then the apartment we were evicted out of. Then, honestly, Then the studio where we were both in it together.

And then remote.

And then remote, and then this. I'm sorry, I lost count. Was that six or seven?

Your finger was at seven.

Yeah, I know, but I- But it felt like you stick something. I forgot about my thumb.

Start again.

Breath, pink with the thrones, apartment When we got kicked out of, Studio We Were In Together, Studio We Were In Remote. This one, 6.

To 6. 0.

I love that. Mine's actually not dissimilar, but it's a little bit more specific. Obviously, the studio was the queenie of the week, but I think that in the face of such judgment and adversity, our frames have really acted with such queenie-like... With such queenie-like elegance. Everybody, You're ugly, you're ugly, you're ugly, you're making me dizzy, you're making me dizzy. And they have just stood behind us, giving us such support, giving us such party vibes. And the thing is, Jackie and I were talking about this last night. We will never, ever remove these frames. You don't understand.

The frames are a symbol of us not being able to be told what to do.

Not only that, they're a symbol of our perseverance. People are always telling us, You suck, you suck. And we just stand tall and we do our jobs. These frames, people are like, Why are the frames empty? Because it's us. We are the frames. This is Jackie, and this is Claudia. And in the face of such judgment, such bigotry this week against our frames, they have done nothing but stand by our side. And stand tall. And that's what a queenie does.

It's so true. And what I also love about the frames, I was thinking yesterday, is there actually an homage to our first to studio. Remember those chairs, the gilded chairs? And there we brought in a touch of our herstery. What, we're just going to sit in front of this wallpaper in this part. We look I read their podcast. We need our frames. We are us.

Yeah. And the thing is, talk, talk, talk.

Talk, talk, talk about the frames. They're not going anywhere much like us. To get used to it.

That's what I'm saying.

Did I overhate my queenie? Rattling them off. Keep making them famous. They're not going anywhere.

Did I overhate my queenie or no?

No, you didn't. But we actually... I teed you up really nicely.

I was worried that maybe you were going to talk about the before I could.

No, I wasn't going to talk about the frames because much like the frames, I was above it. Yeah, of course. But much like the frames, sometimes I have to get down in the muck.

That's what I've been saying. Now, weaning of the week, My Weanie of the Week is a man by the name of Dexter Morgan. I think that the Gracie Abrams' Fandam making a petition, I'm always talking about how toxic Stan culture can be, and this is the perfect example. It's such crazy, truly mentally ill behavior. It's embarrassing. The fact that it got to Gracie is even more embarrassing. That's just Weanie-like behavior, honestly. The people who created, I don't know their real names, but it was definitely a group of three people who thought they were really about to slay. The people who made that petition, Weenie.

Majorly weenie-like behavior. My weenie of the week, very innocuous, yet upsetting, and something that has stayed with me is that Jojo swiped left for Raymond on Raya. Girl, what are you doing?

Seriously, what are you doing?

There has to be more to the story because what you just really thought the moment had passed. No, this would be the greatest love story ever told.

The greatest love story that Which town had ever seen.

So until I get a better reason, that's my weenie.

I love that. That's our show. What a great week. Jack's first week in the new studio, as always.

Done and dusted.

I feel like every day we got so much better close We're making so much progress every single day with our lighting, with our audio, with our video. I feel like we're at a really good place. I feel like yesterday's episode was the first one we actually really nailed.

That was the best it ever went.

It was the best it ever went. So hopefully this episode just has the same exact trajectory. I want nothing different, please. Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast of the Milana Morning Show, where we deliver the fast-five stories. You need to know every Monday, Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please don't forget to subscribe and give us a video, a thumbs up. We're also available as podcast anywhere. Podcasts can be found at Spotify, iTunes, Twitter, Public Radio, iHeartRadio, Castbox, all the places where we listen to podcast, find us a toast. Leave a five-star view about how beautiful, stunning, and wickedly talented we are.

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