
Good morning, millennials.
Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Wednesday. It is Hump Day. Don't forget to hump someone you love, and speaking of somebody I love. Hello, Jackie, how are you?
I'm good. First Hump Day in the Paris New Studio, P-N-S.
Should we hump the new furniture like you had suggested?
Yeah, I think we should christen it.
It deserves a christening. A christening of sorts. Are you first?
Oh, goodness.
Let me put in my favorite song, Fat Juicy Wet by Bruno Mars.
No, Unfortunately, as much as I want to, I can't hump the furniture because I don't want to take the autofocus on the new camera off of my face.
Sure.
Excuses, excuses. I wouldn't want to disturb the new technology. Unfortunately, I can't hump publicly, though you guys know how that thrills me.
Without technology.
Without technology. Shout out to the camera and the counselor. One of the best children's books ever written, and I'm not just saying that because I wrote it, but it comes back into the rotation every once in a while, how we cycle through books, and every single time, I'm This is fire flames, and it will bring a tear to the eye.
I didn't write it, and I also think it's one of the greatest children's books ever written, although you guys know how I feel about children's book, looking at them with a fresh adult eye, a lot of them don't stand the test of time. A lot of them are pieces of shit teaching our children poor values.
No, teaching our children to dull their shine. That's a common theme.
Correct, the rainbowfish. Rainbowfish. Correct.
But also pout-pout fish. I didn't like pout-pout fish vibe either, which is actually It's crazy because it was recommended to me by Dana, and we're aligned on everything in this world. But like, fabisunapunam, should it be called?
It really makes you think, what are we teaching our children? Which is why it's so important to just plop your kids in front of the TV and make them watch the toast. If you want them to grow into adults who are cool and funny.
It's really so true. Also, a lot of tosters who have had babies since I've published my book. So it's been a year and a half. So a year and a half worth of little tosters. They have now come to the book. They're like, oh, I bought it because we were buying children's And they're like, it's so good. So for so many people, it's like their first time reading it when they do have their child. And I love hearing from everyone.
Never gets to- Yeah, we're two published authors. A lot of people don't know that either.
I feel like as much as we can make mention of it, we do. It's worth mentioning. Yeah, we are two published authors, which is so low key. We are always bragging about our beauty and our wits and our charms, but not so much about our literary accomplishments.
I feel like I really don't talk about my beauty or my charm as often as I should, given how much beauty and charm I have.
You don't think at the end of every episode when you encourage people to say that we're beautiful, stunning, and wickedly talented, that that's that?
That's what kids these days call affirmations. This is me in the mirror every morning. I am beautiful. I am stunning. I am wickedly talented. I am beautiful. I am stunning. I'm wickedly talented. And let me tell you that shit works.
I was watching the Rachel Cercannell interview on Call Our Daddy last night, and she said something two times about being beautiful, smart, and blank. And I was like, Oh, it's giving toast.
To be honest, I had heard once that she was a toaster.
I think she told me that. That doesn't feel incongruent. She came to the Spritz party, and that... Yeah, she did say that when she came to the Spritz launch party, and we were like, What? Us?
Yeah, I don't know if she still keeps up every day. And we are going to talk about her interview on Call Her Daddy. There's actually a lot to talk about today. I watched the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills last Well, actually, I watched it this morning, as did you. Rachel, you're saying Kerkanal. Kerkanal.
You know what? I'm just going to try a bunch of different stuff, and we'll probably settle on Rach, but I still don't have a grasp. Rach, I love that. Alex was pronouncing it different than Kerkanal. I think she was saying Kerkanal yesterday, so I'll go with that.
I say Kerkanal, and I just feel like it's right.
Yeah. I don't know how we all got so confused. It's not really a confusing name.
It's a very normal name. It's giving Irish.
You know what I think it is? I think it's the extra A in her name that's preemptively throwing you off from pronouncing- Richael Kerkanaal.
A thousand %.
I think that A- Because now you're looking at letters differently when you're reading her name. It's true. You start to second guess yourself. You're like, Are things pronounced and spelled the way I think? No.
We're both, first of all, wearing white pants, which is just crazy for both of us. I guess neither of us are on our periods. But you are also wearing my pants, and I think we should talk about the thievery that occurred.
Yeah. So When you came in December, you had sent a bunch of stuff to the house, some new clothes, and I opened all your packages and put it away in your new wardrobe. And when I was doing that, I had my eye on some things. Now, of course, I would never preemptively swipe, but they went into your closet, you wore them while you were here, and I couldn't stop thinking about these pants. So I went and I took them. And what I like about these pants is in person, they look really bad on me. If we're one to one, you could see the outline of the pockets. I think you could see my underwear My hair is too dark. Really, they look terrible. They're too long. They make my hips look like... They look like shit. But I think they're perfect for the show.
Yeah. I wouldn't say that they're the most flattering pants I ever bought, which is why I didn't give you a hard time when I saw you I'm like, rambling through my things. But they're pants. Sometimes you just need pants. It's true.
The other day, I wore them with a bodysuit, which actually solves a lot of those issues I was talking about. But today, the way I'm wearing them, they look terrible in person. But I think with our new chairs, it's actually perfect, hopefully.
Yes, first Hump Day, first Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. A lot of first happening on this beautiful Wednesday in our Gargi Pargie news studios. As always, this is week one, a work in progress. Tweaks are still being made. I love that we have so many audio and video technicians who listen to our show. And suddenly everyone's a critic. But we're making updates every day. I've had some more soundproofing done. So just know, we know there's still things to be You have to shut down our faces. We are getting there.
We did a major troubleshooting session yesterday and this morning, ran multiple tests.
Yeah. Scored 1,600. The tests were being taken. Yeah, it's giving standardized.
Scored 1,600 out of 2,400.
So So we'll see how today, every day is just a little bit of a test run. We don't have the luxury of doing a weekly podcast. We can work out all these kinks in a week. We have to work them out in a matter of hours. It'll be a couple more days before I think we really hit everything perfectly and we'll be in our official new groove. But I already feel like vast improvements have been made, and I appreciate all the positive feedback.
Me as well. Me as well.
Me as well.
Retweet, sis. Oh, huge things. So many different ways to say me as well.
So many huge things happening for me yesterday.
I saw Miss Mayonnaise.
Oh, yes, of course. Ben and I attended. In this line of work, we attend a lot of fabulous events, trips to the Cape, Clambakes, things of that nature. And most of the time, it's geared towards me. It's like, beauty events and fashion. No, this event was designed for Ben, and he was literally taking notes. He wants to... So Hellman's Mayonnaise had a big party to celebrate their new Super Bowl commercial, which I'm like, I don't know if it's out yet.
Actually, we have a I'm sorry about Super Bowl commercials. So if you have something to say, put it in the book.
Whatever. Ben was having the time of his life. Seriously, there was so much free food, and it was at Katz's Deli, famous Jewish-style deli.
So Ben was just going- And kosher, meat.
It's not kosher. Sure. But he ate a hot dog. Yeah, Ben just like... Ben had said, actually, we had a disagreement about this on the way home. He was like, I feel like having non-kosher meat at a place like that is fine. It's basically kosher.
I understand what he's saying, but I just want to say I feel like the hot dog is probably kosher because even- It's not.
Okay, so we literally met the owner. So Ben ate the hot dog, and we just assumed it was Hebrew national. Even in any place, who eats anything other than a Hebrew national? As people who are kosher, we are always eating hot dogs because every Everyone use, unless you're making your own. And so Ben was eating the hot dogs. He thought it was totally safe. And then we met the owner who was so nice, and Ben had so many questions for him. Ben wanted to get pickle Spritz in Katz's Deli, Oh my God, that's a good idea. Which is a great idea. And I was asking him, And he must get this question all the time because he's a Jewish guy about kosher. And he was like, No, I know. Everyone says it.
It's a Shanda.
So it's a kosher style deli, although the meat is not kosher. So that was Ben's opening for him because I already ate the hot dogs, and he ate them in earnest. He thought that they were kosher. So Ben just then threw religion to the wind and had a pastrami sandwich. And he said it was the best pastrami sandwich he had ever had in his life.
Can I ask what's kosher style if nothing about it is kosher?
Yeah, it has Jewish roots.
Oh, okay, cool. So nothing about it is kosher.
It's a common misconception. A lot of people assume the famous Katz's Deli on the Lower East Side in New York is kosher. It's not. It's kosher style, which it means nothing.
Okay. It just means the owners are Jewish. I thought kosher style meant the meat is kosher, but the preparation, it's not Dianne meat. Like pastrami queen is kosher meat, unkosher kitchen.
Actually, I think the kitchen is kosher. Pastrami queen just doesn't close on Chabbis. Oh, right. So they can't be officially... But a lot of religious Jews I know would still eat pastrami queen. It's kosher.
Yeah. Okay. I guess don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. That's why I never ask if the French onion soup uses beef broth at any restaurant. Because I don't want to know.
Well, once you get into the I don't want to know.
I just want to find your name. What are you?
Like Carmen San Diego investigating things instead of your business.
Yeah. So he shouldn't have asked once he already ate it.
Yeah. And then afterwards, I went to a holiday, a very Jewish evening for my friend Alicia, who's getting married, and they had a microphone. They were like, If anybody wants to say anything, it was all the girls together. And then people started getting up, and I was like, Oh, my God. I'm one of the people who's known her here the longest. I didn't prepare remarks. So So just winged it.
I feel like people really do expect you to speak in situations like that because you're the public speaker.
I'm the personality higher. And this happens to be one of my oldest friends. So I'm like, You know what? I just threw caution to the way, and I was like, Fuck it. And I gave such a, I think, and my best friend Alicia, who's wedding, I mean, who's bridal shower was. Her mom's a toaster. She listens every day, so she'll give me feedback. I think Esther, the mom, would I also cry. It was probably one of the best speeches ever given. I love doing it. You think so much when you have a paper in front of you, and you just want to get the words right, where I was just really speaking from the heart. Oh, and I just made so many funny jokes. Joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. And it was the first time I've ever really spoken off the cuff. I have a talent for it.
The turnties burger dress?
The turnties burger dress, yes. Thank you.
You want to know something so funny? You know one of my favorite scenes in any movie is that scene from The Wedding Ringer when they go to a wedding, Kevin Hart and Josh Gad, and the groomsman rips up his speech. You know how some people do that? It's like, You know what? I'm going off book. I don't even care about these words. That's my favorite scene. And then he gets so flustered, he starts quoting Hitler. Do you know who the actor is in that scene?
Who plays the Groomsman?
Yeah, or the Groom. I forgot which one.
Let me think.
It's so close to home, Yeah.
It's so close to home? Yeah. Who is it?
It's so close to home. Who is it? Are you ready? Who? Josh Peck.
You're fucking kidding me. No. You have to watch- You are fucking kidding me.
You have to watch it. Have you seen that movie?
Have you spoken to Josh about that?
No, I just remembered it right now because the last time I told this story about, That's my favorite scene when the groom rips up the speech, people were like, That's Josh Peck. I didn't realize because at the time that I watched it, they weren't the good guys yet.
They were the bad guys.
They were the bad guys.
Oh, my God. No, I did not know that. That's the crazy thing about Josh. It's like, he's Ben's best friend. He obviously also has this weird former life of being a huge Disney star, but he's also a very successful actor. When I was watching the Mindy Project, one of the girls who's a nurse, she's a receptionist. She has a boyfriend who she's always referencing. In one episode, we finally meet him, and he's like, he's like a crackhead. It's Josh. It was seriously so crazy.
Should we go to his IMD?
I think we would be genuine. And he's in a new movie with Diane Keaton, all about summer camp. He was telling me about it. I think it came out. I think we should watch it.
Josh Peck Movies and TV Shows. This is what we would do for anyone. So we shouldn't not do it just because we know.
Obviously, Oppenheimer comes to mind. Snowday.
Do you remember that movie from when we were kids?
Of course I do.
Max Kiebel's Big Move. Oh, my God. He is on the poster.
Not Max Kiebel.
Max Kiebel. He's one of three on the poster.
That is so- I feel like we should know all this.
Crazy. I know. No, but there's just so many things. Ice Age. Oh, he's got Ice Age money.
Okay. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Why is he doing good guys? I didn't know we were doing Ice Age.
Wow, good for him. Then a million other things, but those are the ones that are part of our DNA, except for Ice Age.
The crazy thing is, is that I don't even know if Josh knows how growing up, nobody was a bigger fan of Josh Peck than Ben I think sometimes Ben will be in the shower, pinch himself that he's best friends with Josh Peck. Ben was really shaped by that show. I think as a heavier kid, he really saw himself in Josh. If you were to sit down in therapy and talk to Ben about his influences, it would be Josh from Jake and Josh. The fact that that's his best friend. Ben has seriously girl bossed so close to the sun.
No, it's true. That would be me hosting a podcast with Miley Sires. Miley. Yeah. And you hosting a podcast with Joe is.
Which honestly, I don't feel like is the craziest thing ever. No.
Podcasts like that come about... I mean, look at Good Guys, but where the influencer and the A-list celebrity come together and make magic.
It's so true. What would me and Joe's podcast be called? Camp Turd? Turd Rock?
Turd Rock.
Probably, right?
Yeah, that's the one.
What would your and Hannah's be called?
Best of both worlds. Oh, my God. Perfect. Sorry, Snitch. We need the trademark.
1,000%. I think Hannah probably owns the trademark.
Where's Snitch? Have you seen her recently?
Who is Snitch in this world? Do we know someone named Snitch?
Our sister's at Jilmargo. She's out skiing, I think.
Globetrotting.
Yeah. Have you seen her recently?
I haven't. And skiing is something we do as a family. We go every year. We didn't go this past year. And so obviously, she's mad at us about it. So she's decided to recreate our trip. She She texted me yesterday, I'm at the Vintage Room, which is where her, Ben and I, got wasted and did après-ski. I'm like, Oh, cool.
She's sending pictures of our favorite runs to do. She's like, it's different.
Yeah, just Utah spots.
I'm like, yeah, okay, but you're not with your family who loves you. Right.
It should hit poorly.
It's not. According to her stories, it's not hitting poorly.
It's really upsetting when you come to the realization that life goes on without you.
No, it's so true. But I feel like she had to have come to that realization because we're all just sat. What is she going to do? She needed to move on from us. It's just sad.
Well, at least we have each other and our party in the studio.
Our P Yes.
Yeah. This is so important to just be grateful for what you do have.
It's true. We miss you so much if you ever hear this.
What we do have is five amazing stories, The Real House Size of Beverly Hills recap.
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Yes. Well, our first story is the big news of the day because Rachel Kirk-Kunal has sat down for an interview with Alex Cooper Call Her Daddy, the episode premiered last night, and she is sharing her side of what happened in the relationship after not having spoken ever since Matt James posted his very confusing Instagram photo and caption that we've spent the last two weeks trying to dissect. Now we have all the answers.
And I want to say, two parts of me, I'm like, Obviously, I'm a gossip girl drama mongering, so I wanted the tea. So I was a little disappointed because it was a nothing burger. But I'm also So thrilled that she wasn't in a worse situation. And maybe the Internet, I don't know how we got to this place where we thought it was going to be so crazy, maybe because this post was so fucking bizarre. He played himself into making this a big story and making himself the villain. So I'm glad that it wasn't that. But how did we get here? We're like, I don't know what I thought she was going to say, but I was just like, oh.
Yeah. The craziest part of this story is what happened after they broke up and how he posted max three hours after they broke up. He knew she was on her way to the airport getting on a plane, and he also knows that her phone does not connect to airplane WiFi. She said ever since she downloaded some VPN, she can't connect to airplane WiFi. That's so funny. He obviously would know that about his travel partner. They just spent the last three weeks going to London, in Japan. So he posted that as she's taking off, she She sees it as she's taking off her friend text her rage, and then no service for 12 hours. She hadn't told anyone yet because she was just crying and in shock because basically, they were having a very normal time on their trips. They were in Japan and just to get irritated by each other as you do when you're with someone up their butt, cabin fever. That small fight turned into a larger fight that he... Not a fight, but a larger conversation about the issues in their relationship, that then he ended the relationship Her flight, she was set to leave right then anyway, which makes you wonder if he was just waiting for that moment.
Planning it. Maybe knew a few days before, but what? You're going to make her move her flight. It's weird when you're out of the country. She just took her bag, left, went to the airport, was just crying and upset, and he posted that not even three hours later. She said if he hadn't posted that like he did, and that blew everything. She didn't even have one day of peace. She didn't even get to tell her family or her friends in her own way. If he hadn't done that, she wouldn't then be on call her daddy talking about what went wrong in their relationship. But they started talking from the beginning, the bachelor, what made her go on the bachelor, how she wound up on the show. Her friends put her up for it. It was not serious. But then she saw Matt was the bachelor, and she was like, Oh, I would like to meet him. And then she instantly connected with him on the show. They famously did not get engaged on the show, which she said she was totally fine with. He said that to her off camera.
By the way, at the time, I didn't think it was so crazy. Obviously, they had their big scandal. But also at the time when The Bachelor was really popular, it was this annoying thing that these couples who really had a lot of potential but didn't want to get engaged would have to break up. The proposal became this almost burden in the franchise. The fact that they were able to find a roundabout way to still be together and have a normal relationship, and we figured they would get engaged in a year, I actually thought that was nice for them. Obviously, the circumstances that brought them there were terrible. Yes.
And to me, they always seemed younger. Maybe, I don't know if they were the same age as everyone, but they just seemed young. So I was like, okay, they're not ready for an engagement. And that's also, you're just taking it seriously. So then they got together after the show, she said in that time, they were so happy, just good conversations, having fun, all good. And then the controversy happened with the old photos of her, and Matt broke up with her. Even though their relationship had been all good, she said he was feeling a lot of pressure, and she has a lot of compassion for him in that moment because he was feeling a lot of pressure from people he didn't know, people he didn't know to break up with her because that was just a really crazy moment. It was after BLM, and I'm sure everyone remembers the great- The Southern Well, Southern...
What are those parties called?
Old South Party.
Oh, yeah, right.
No, and the serious cancelation of Rachel Corkana. That was one of the biggest ones. In our world. It was happening the entire season that show was airing, probably from halfway through the season. And what was so crazy is they were getting closer and closer, and everyone knew that she had this scandal, and it was like, Is he picking her? Was he going to choose her? Are we going to watch this live on After the Final Rose? And it was just so crazy. And he broke up with her because he felt like that was the right thing to do, and he didn't want to let people down. But then they were still talking a little bit, and they wound up getting back together.
They were deeply in love. Yeah.
So they got back together because they missed each other and they liked each other. And when their relationship relationship started again, there were so many power imbalances that what I took away from the episode were the reasons why their relationship didn't work out in the end. First of all, when you come off of a show like that, he's sought out by 40 women, and the whole time, she has to fight for him.
He's not fighting. There's already an imbalance.
She said, I think a lot of couples deal with that coming off of the show, and especially for when the male is the lead. I feel like when the woman is the lead, it's just different men and women dynamics.
A woman is always on a pedestal. It's fine.
But I always feel like women in general, they have to get the man to propose him. Even when we talk about Taylor and Travis, she's the most powerful woman in the world, but at the end of the day, she's just waiting for him to make the... That's just gender dynamics, but then it's compounded when someone is the bachelor. Coming off of that, she's been proving himself to her. She's always the one who has to tell him how much she likes her, and then they come into the real world, and there's a little bit of that. Plus, the world hates Rachel, and the world loves Matt. She's constantly feeling inferior in their relationship and so insecure. She touched on how that year, the first year of their relationship was really hard for her. They would go to places and events, and it's like, Matt James and Rachel. Everyone loves Matt James.
She was this villain who everyone was like, She's undeserving of him.
Yeah, and that she's this bad person. I think that when she got broken up with and canceled at the same time, and she seems like someone who can- Very sensitive. Be sensitive and anxious and depressed, I have to imagine that was the hardest moment of her life period. To be heartbroken, the world hates you, telling you you're this terrible person.
As if getting canceled isn't the worst fucking thing on the planet.
Then your man leaves you. You got broken up by a guy who you never even had a bad moment with yet because you're just in the early days of a blossoming beautiful relationship. I feel like that must have been so hard for her, and they just kept on going with the story until what's next, what's next. But I'm focused on that because I think that set the tone for their whole relationship where she constantly just didn't feel good Good enough. And she would have to say about herself in the interview, No, Rachel, you are good enough. She just was talking so- Damaged. Talking so negatively about herself in the interview. I feel like she's never really forgiven herself for the things that happened and why she was canceled. It It just affected her confidence, her place in her relationship. It was just an imbalanced way. All of those things plagued her throughout the relationship to the point where at the end in Japan, she can't even pick a restaurant for to go to because she's so nervous about disappointing him. Maybe he, in some ways, put pressure on her to be this person, but she never said that.
She kept saying, he said the restaurant was fine. Who cares? It doesn't matter.
The restaurant thing, I think everybody's talking about. It's like, well, Matt's the villain because he made her feel bad, even though she has expressly said, I was so insecure.
It was me. I think it all stems from those original issues that never got solved. She would say, and there were moments of fights that they had that clearly he wasn't showing compassion and wasn't being a supportive partner.
Like immaturity. Yeah.
That's just like, okay, he's not a perfect boyfriend. He's not a perfect person. He's not a good boyfriend. I was getting this sense- He's got a good boyfriend. And I feel like people in the comments are labeling him with these clinical terms. Yes, I've seen a lot of like- Which I don't like that. I'm not a trained professional. I would never label anyone. The only vibe I got from him based on what she was saying is he's a little robotic, a little unemotional. She would be going, say she was having a hard day emotionally. He would give her space to go through it, process her feelings, and then they would talk about it. And Alex was like, Is that what you wanted? She was like, No, actually. I would have liked to be comforted and have someone to talk to and feel supported. I just feel like, emotionally, he couldn't give her what she needed.
I feel like if you just follow him on social media, you could receive that, that he's very unemotional and very robotic.
On an emotional communication level, they're not good partners for one another, but I think all those other factors from the outside contributed to how she felt in the relationship. It felt like she was very insecure. Then she also didn't, I feel I never wanted to make him upset. I think also she is tendency to have people-pleasing tendencies. Then he is the person where it's just like, the more you are trying, the more he's like, Why are you trying so hard?
I also think when you compare it to other successful bachelor couples where the male is the lead, going into the real world and then becoming public figures is just a part of your job. I feel like it was very much the match show. Even when the male is the lead, male reality stars, they do fizzle. Naturally, the girl becomes a big influencer.
The influencer. Yeah.
She did, but it was very much the match show. I think it's what you're saying, it's reflective of the dynamic of their relationship.
And I feel like at first it was because she was canceled. So she was just glad to be with him and go to things with him. But in the last few years, she has actually very pargy content. She's a very good content creator because she is originally a graphic designer. So She's actually talented in the field of content creation. She just never branched out and did her own thing. As a passive consumer, I follow her, and it's like, why isn't she on Tripping with Tart? Why isn't she doing these things?
Yeah, we know Matt's things, right? Like, Mood and fitness, Lululemon.
What is Rachael like? What does Rachael do? I feel like she never got to explore that because that initial moment was taken from her, where you do typically go out and crush it as an influencer. Then I feel like because she lacked the confidence to get back out there because she never fully moved on from this thing, even though it feels like from the outside, it's like, oh, well, people have moved on, and you guys are together, and you made it work. So I think we're all moving forward. But to me, I know people are now taking away from this, Matt is toxic, and Matt is a bad boyfriend.
They're using I'm not saying big words, emotionally manipulative abuser. I think it's important that we refrain from using those terms because they start to lose their meaning. When everybody who's not the best boyfriend ever is an abuser, then there are people who actually abuse, and you're like, oh, wait, no, this is abuse.
Yeah, the thing is she's talking in the interview like someone who has suffered from verbal abuse. My takeaway is that was from the cancelation. She was so verbally abused by the media, the country, the influencers, everyone, wore this girl down, and that's why she talked so negatively about herself. That's my personal takeaway, that this is more of a referendum on cancel culture and what it does to a person. Wow. Even four years later than it is on Matt James himself, even though they would have an argument and she would go into the argument upset with him, and then she would leave the argument just hoping he wasn't upset with her. Yeah, that's not good boyfriend. It's not a good boyfriend. But listen, people get in fights in their relationships all the time. If you had a window into every single relationship, all of you people in the comments would be saying, break up. So you have to remember, it's two people People have arguments in relationships. She is speaking as kindly about him as she can. And then ultimately, at the end of the day, he just didn't see her as his wife and future partner.
Which, by the way, was the undercurrent of their entire relationship with Each year that went by, we were like, Why aren't these people who are so deeply in love getting engaged?
She hasn't sussed out whether it was really her and him being incompatible, or he has all these hangups because his parents split up when he was in.
Yeah, he does. He talked about it on his season of The Bachelor.
That's also why he didn't get engaged on The Bachelor. He definitely has that. Then also maybe he was feeling like she wasn't right for him, but would even the perfect girl... It seems like she couldn't have done more to try and make the relationship work. She loves him so much. So much so that picking the best restaurant for his content was so overwhelming to her.
That's the real tragedy and the saddest part of this because you see her, she's such a nice girl. All she wanted was to love and be loved, and he made it so hard. That was the real takeaway. He's not a bad person. He's just not a good boyfriend, and he's a very specific type of person, and they certainly weren't a love language match. But she's just somebody who really wanted, I think, asked for very little and received even less in return.
I couldn't even get that.
That's what's really sad.
Then I also think there are common themes in their story just about girls who are ready to be engaged. At two years, start to get a little curious and then impatient, and the guy doesn't do it. I think a lot of times everyone gets across the finish line. It takes some tuck. I feel like people think that you just wake up, get engaged. No. No, you've got to put those ducks in motion. It's a dance. It's a dance. But sometimes you can do all the right steps and the right moves, and it's still a no, and you have to move on. And then you're grieving the person, the relationship, your best friend, your future.
The time.
Your future that you think maybe in a year from now, I'll be getting married and starting to have kids. And instead, it's like, maybe in a year from now, I'll meet someone.
To me, that's the greatest crime Matt James committed, was allowing this really lovely, young, beautiful girl full of potential to waste away under your care. You knew. You have your own issues. Four years to steal from a woman, It's actually a crime. It should be punishable by jail. It's one of the worst things you can do to someone, especially somebody who's been vocal about wanting to get married and have kids. In a perfect world, we could all take our time. But that's not how science works. We all are on our own journeys and In our own clocks. To really steal that from a young woman, it's to me, and I don't see people talking about this, that's his biggest crime. That's what he's most guilty of, jail.
Yeah, that's so sad. I feel like in my personal life, and then also just you hear stories, you hear these things happening, and that's what is so sad. Starting over at this age when you were very excited about- And by the way, she's still young, but you know what I mean. Yeah, no, but you were- It's prime years you wasted. Also, it takes time to meet someone to confirm that that's the right person, to get married, to start having children.
To get over your ex first.
Yeah. So I think that's also something that she's really grieving. But it was just sad to see this person who's just been so beat down by the world, and she's She's such a beautiful girl. Not that if she weren't beautiful, it wouldn't be sad, but like- That she would deserve it.
No kidding.
But she's exceptionally beautiful, and she doesn't even see herself that way. Yeah. That she's so sweet and kind-hearted This person doesn't have a mean bone in their body. It's just a very sad situation. I don't think Matt James is the devil. I think the way that he posted the breakup was very wrong and unkind. And she said she has spoken to him since, and he regrets that. That is what it is. That's the story.
I also feel like because it's so fresh, it's great that we got the tea in a matter of days, but things like this really require time to heal. I feel like you could tell in a lot of the things that she was saying, still very much wanting people to think well of him and not wanting to drag him, which is a really lovely thing to do for somebody you loved for so long. It's nice to see. But I do think if there was more there, we would not get it at this stage. It was almost too soon to do a big tell all because you're still very much in a phase of morning. You haven't even remotely started healing yet.
Yeah, I agree. I feel like I could see in the future her sharing more nefarious behavior from him. But in this moment, it sounded like she didn't want to make him out to be a villain. I think that was also her lack of confidence. Maybe she'll see it differently as her confidence grows because she keeps saying, Maybe I missed it. Maybe this was wrong. I shouldn't have done this. She was just blaming herself for so many things. And so, yes, maybe in time, as she can see it more clearly in hindsight and also can build her confidence back up.
Right.
She will share more and maybe see some of these situations a little differently.
Yeah. This is one of the situations where once she's on the other side of it and she ends up in a good relationship, which I have faith that she will, it'll really be such a stark She will see what it's like to be loved by somebody without conditions, without time limits, with just open. And hopefully, that's the type of relationship she'll find herself in. And that, I feel like for so many girls, when they get out of those relationships where they're just not being treated like the queens that they need to be. And it's not until somebody really treats them so normally and well that you realize how bad you had it. You've just come to expect this type of treatment.
Also, something that she said that I thought was red flag, but then it wasn't followed up with, was they were talking about the food element in the relationship and the content creation. He's a food creator. She would always pick the restaurants, and she always wanted to do a really good job for him, so he had something to post about. She said every meal that they went to in their relationship, they were filming.
I think. Miserable experience.
She said every meal, and I would have just been like, Every single meal? If so, that's weird that you can't go to one restaurant. What if you like a restaurant that's not that cool and you just like going there?
Or what if you just want to go and- There's nothing to post about. Do you know meals I've been to looking like a rat? What if I don't want to film? Yeah. And by the way, I'm literally married to the most annoying food content creator on the planet, but there are rules. It seems like she just had no say. He was very much in control of every part of the relationship And by the way, some people like being in relationships like that, where there's very much a person in control, person making decisions, whether it's the man or the woman. Some people really do like that. And some people find comfort in not having to think about a million things. Like, Yeah, he booked the flights. Some people I like that. It seems like that's the type of partner he was. If he had given her just a little bit more respect and love, she would have been okay with it because she just loved him so much.
She was okay with it. That's the thing he broke up with her.
Right.
So that's the story on their relationship. I feel like it's- Crazy. It's actually not. It's what you expected. It's like the relationship ran its course. But to me, I just got hung up on At the time when he dumped her on live television and didn't have her back in that moment, even though he knew her as a person, do you think she was a bad person this time that you were falling in love with her? So that he didn't defend her. I was like, How can she forgive him?
How can they recover?
And instead, it was like, it wasn't... She forgave him. She never held that against him, she said, ever. But the person that made her into, she was not healed. And it's hard to go into a relationship like that.
It's exactly what you said. They They entered into the full part of their relationship after the breakup on TV in just a really bad spot. So they got off on a bad foot, and they never corrected it. Yeah.
Because I think he wasn't helpful in helping her. Or heal and grow, but also she needed to do that, too. She didn't even say that on the episode. I don't know if she realizes that.
A lot of people are just surmising that from her performance on the interview. You read people, and she's not reading as somebody who's overly She's confident, or she's reading as somebody who's very sensitive and very soft-spoken and has been, I don't like to use this phrase, but beaten down a little bit into this shell of a person.
Yeah. I said she's been beat down by the world. I would say that. I don't know what she was like before she went on the show. It'd be interesting to hear from her family. Her friends. Just to know. But I feel like she's probably always been relatively soft-spoken.
But to make...
I think she never forgave herself, and you can't live like that. So it was sad.
Sad, yeah. That's the takeaway, I think.
Yeah, for everyone. But I think it's easy for people. It's funny. The people who are so quick to be like, Matt James is terrible. What were you saying about Rachel four years ago? You just like, whichever way the wind- With the wind.
Yeah, it's so true.
Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. It's about a big podcast fan because Travis Kelsey has to reveal that Taylor Swift listens to New Heights every week.
They talked about Taylor a lot on this episode of New Heights.
Travis Kelsey revealed on Wednesday's episode of New Heights how often Taylor listens to the show. He said she listens every week. He told their intern, Brandon. Brandon was talking on the show because apparently Taylor paid him some high compliments about his work on the show. He said, You can't tell me nothing ever again. It's over for you, bitches. He said she was very complimentful January of the show. She gave us some creative compliments. Let me be very clear, you can't tell me shit for the rest of my fucking life. This is what intern Brandon said. He said, I'm going to be obnoxious. Do you know who you're fucking talking to? I was very appreciative of it. When somebody of that creative caliber pays you a compliment, you're like, Oh, Fuck.
True. I don't know why.
He said he plans to be a complete narcissist from here on out.
And you would do it, too. I don't know if you would ask me, do you think Taylor listens to every episode? I think I would have said yes. She seems like that type of partner, really supportive. Yes, but it's just crazy. But she's also busy.
Who is the time? Yeah. And it's just crazy when you think about our husbands never listen to our podcast.
Oh, you know what? I didn't even think of that in this moment.
You don't listen to your husband's weekly.
That's not true.
Every episode, you don't.
Every single one, yeah. Actually, let me tell you, I don't.
When you and Ben were dating, if he had a weekly podcast, you would listen to every single fucking episode. That's the thing.
Let's not forget. Taylor and I are in different boats. She's trying to get engaged. I got it. I'm chill. I guess maybe if Ben had started a podcast while we were dating, I would listen. First of all, it's a good insight into, he's talking about this movie he likes. I could be like, I love that movie, too. It's like a cheat sheet. It's a cheat sheet.
It's a cheat sheet. Also, is there anything nefarious he's saying? I need to know. It's a window into his mind, which when you're dating someone, that's all you want. I do think Travis and Taylor are engaged now. But still, until you're sat up married for 10 years It was like, you can't get comfortable. You've got to know. You take every crumb. Actually, it just reminded me.
We just had dinner with Ben's parents, and they love the good guys. They listen every week, and they're always bringing up... That was so funny when Josh said this. Let me tell you, I have no idea what they're talking about. I literally, I was at dinner the other night, I was just like, Oh, my God, that was so funny. I just nodded my head. And nobody asked. I know Ben knows that I don't listen, but I think his parents really sweetly assume that I probably do. And they're like, how funny was that? I'm like, they are so hysterical, those good guys. I'm just actually playing a part.
That is so funny.
And yes, I- I haven't listened probably since... When they first started releasing, I would listen, just make sure they weren't saying anything crazy. And then they got a good, so now I don't need to listen. They're, Fly, butterfly.
Right. So it actually is not surprising that she does listen to every episode, but yes, certainly that is commitment. But it seems like she has a lot of time for content because she listens to every album under the Sun to know all the lyrics to every word to sing along at award shows. It It seems like they watch a lot of television. Travis has said they watch Love is Blind. If you got to Love is Blind, you've watched a lot of stuff.
I think she reads a lot of books, too.
She reads a lot of books, too.
Because I think she also got to a point in her life where she didn't want to only write music about her own life. She started referencing great novels and movies and TV shows. Everybody knows Death by a Thousand Cuts is about that random movie with Gina Rodriguez on Netflix. It was actually really clean. Excuse me.
Everyone knows that The Great War is about Matthew and... Mary? Mary from Downton Abbey.
I don't believe you.
That's what I know. Are you making that up? I've told you that before, and you didn't believe me.
By the way, I've never heard that. Now I need to... Okay, now you need to look up lyrics.
Even if I made that up or heard it in a dream, I don't want to be corrected. Just like Long Live is about Jojo Noes. What are you seeing?
I don't know. Maybe it was Ego Swinging, maybe it was her. They didn't have any infidelity.
Oh, you're not googling, Is this about this?
No. All that blood shed, crimson clover. Aha, sweet dream was over. My hand was the one you reached for all throughout the Great War. Always remember tears on the letter, I vow not to cry anymore if we survived the Great War.
No, there are definitely parts in it. He went to World War I, which at the time was called the Great War because they didn't know there would be World War II.
I googled Great War, Downton Abbey, not realizing Great War is also a thing. Okay.
Yeah, Great War is a historical thing. Isn't that funny to think about, though?
In the Downton Abbey Reddit, Great War from Taylor's Midnight is allegedly inspired by Matthew and Mary. Is there a source to confirm this? Wait, seriously? People are just questioning it. You didn't make it up because I'm seeing it elsewhere.
It's definitely swirling.
I love that.
I could see it. Just like, Champagne Problems is about seven husbands. Dropped your hand while dancing.
That's a theory. I like it. Me too. No, you could definitely tell. Sometimes I'm like, Oh, I read this book when you're listening. She totally reads the swirly books.
Yeah. It ends with us.
Totally. I love that movie.
Then the other takeaway from this story is that Taylor is in the podcast app.
I wonder what else she's clicking around on.
Has she seen our big ugly faces?
I don't know how you can miss us. We do so many fucking episodes.
It's true. Unless she only She describes to New Hy, it's in her homepage.
Or unless Travis puts it on a video file and just sends it to her. She doesn't actually open the app store.
It's actually harder to listen to shit that way. It's easier. They make it so easy on Apple podcast or Spotify.
No, and by the way, to be clear, she's watching it. Let's be real on YouTube.
Totally. If I'm listening to something on Spotify, a podcast, then when I get in my car, it's playing from the same place. That's a life hack.
Yeah. Do you think Taylor pays for Spotify? She gets a free account. How does that work?
Interesting.
When you bring billions of streams, do they actually make you subscribe?
I don't know. Just a thought. They shouldn't make us subscribe. We bring billions of streams. Billions.
1,000 for a time.
Are you ready for our next What number? Three.
Yeah.
It's your least favorite news, DUI News for Smallville Star Tom Welling, also known as- And I need people to stop calling him Smallville Star.
It's Charlie from Cheaper by the Dozen.
It's Cheaper Why the dozen star Tom Welling, from Hero to zero, arrested for a DUI in the parking lot at Arby's.
According to police- Not the Arby's. I missed that small but vital detail.
According to police, records obtained by TMZ, the 47th A 17-year-old was arrested in an Arby's parking lot in Yureka, California, just after-Yureka. Okay. How would you pronounce this city? Y-r-e-k-a.
Wait. Y-r-e-k-a? Yeah. Yureka. I would, yeah.
Just after midnight on Sunday, where a local police department picked him up for allegedly driving under the influence, his blood alcohol level was reportedly at or above 0. 08. That's what it means to get a DU, but I don't know what his actual was.
Also, obviously, I'm never one to try and help someone in a DU, but he was in the parking lot, so didn't go anywhere.
He just had driven there.
Maybe they reported a crazy- Got it. Maybe they pulled him over in the parking lot.
Yeah, maybe the Arby's people were like, there's a drunk guy getting into his car.
Because it sounds like he hadn't had the opportunity yet to drive under the influence.
He didn't get drunk at Arby's, so how did he get to Arby's?
By the way, what is it? Just one Arby's in the middle of Where maybe there were other facilities, a liquor store, a bar. Chilli's. They serve alcohol.
They do. Maybe had in his car.
Where do you think, by the way, I found out a fun fact this morning. Where do you think Chilli's originated? If you had to guess what US City.
Houston.
It's actually an amazing guess. It's Dallas.
Oh, wow. I know. I just didn't know that. I deserve points.
I don't know what I would have said.
What What would you have said?
I don't know. I feel like it was started in an airport. I don't know.
What's your association? Like, Tri-state? No, it's not Tri-state at all.
No, it's airport.
There's airports everywhere.
Maybe Florida.
I thought that's what you might say.
Yeah, just a fun fact I saw on Facebook.
I love fun facts from Facebook.
I'm constantly getting targeted with the most turnt AI news. It's like, Bravo AI-generated news. Me too.
It's all these clickbait things about Page and Craig. Yes. We have a same Facebook account, that's why. Oh, right. And it's like Madison La Croix speaks up against Page. And you can't even click anywhere to read what Madison La Croix originally said.
It's muck raking at its finest.
It is. Are you ready for our next story?
Oh, wait. Back to Smallville. Can we just start it really quickly?
Like, shame on you. Do better, Tom.
Shame on you, obviously. But could this be more cliché? You played Charlie. What was her last name in the movie? He was Charlie. Charlie Chaplin.
He had such a classic American name.
Charlie Chaplin.
Right. Cheaper by the dozen. Let me see.
The- Family name. Baker.
Baker. Charlie Baker. Charlie Baker. Charlie Baker.
He was just this all-American football star. He was so fucking hot. Then he also had this career as the Smallville guy, which we never watched, but he was this young heartthrob playing a neighborhood kid who becomes Superman or whatever. For him to end up in a DUI, it's seriously a tale as old as time. Be a little less cliché, Charlie Baker, honestly.
Yeah, but it's cliché for a reason.
Right.
Now, are you ready for our next story?
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Our next story is a bit of a think piece because a woman has gone viral on TikTok after slamming period piece actors for having Botox and lip fillers. So it's a very interesting debate. Are period actors allowed to look like they've just stepped off a Hollywood red carpet? According to one impassioned TikToker, no, they can't. A TikToker went viral in which she disrespectfully stated that actors cannot star in a period piece if they look like they've had Botox and lip fillers done. She doubled down on her opinion in the caption, writing, You shouldn't ever didn't get past the audition.
I happen to agree with her, but I don't know if it's specific to period pieces. First of all, if you're going to be an actor who emotes and your face doesn't move, that's just beyond contradictory. But I hear what she's In the modern world, we look different than women in the '30s did. And that's because a lot of us do preventative Botox filler. Now, I think there is a way in which you can look at someone and say, Oh, my God, they have a ton of filler in Botox. And then you can look at someone and be like, Oh, I didn't realize, and they could have it. So I think the other thing her blanket statement applies here because some actors have it and we wouldn't even know. Maybe a little bit of lip filler, that's allowed. But I agree. Having these Instagram model-looking people being in a down to Abby, is confusing.
Yeah. No, the lip filler is when you can see it, that is confusing. I also feel that way about natural breasts, if I may.
Oh, yeah.
I'm talking about the breasts. I do feel like it really enhances the piece when the people do look authentic. I remember even when I watched 1883, the girly who totally looks like an Instagram girly, but she's also just gorgeous. She had a hairy arm pit, and that is true to the time. Authentic. I am with this person. Now, I don't think I think that everyone needs to now be screened for Botox and filler. It's like, do you pass? Can I tell? Do you look like someone from this age? But then it also comes down to hair extensions.
Another one mentioned- I wonder what this girl exactly, what show she was referencing. Acrilic Nails. Oh, a thousand %? Yeah.
There are a lot of modern-day things, but then makeup, makeup in general. They had some makeup.
But then it's also on the costume department to find those things. When you think about Game of Thrones, remember when there was that one water bottle in background of Game of Thrones and everybody talked about it. That's how committed the show was to being super authentic to medieval times or whatever. You didn't see any of that shit. It was natural titties, hair that looked... It was long because not of extensions because girls didn't cut their hair back then. It was very authentic, true to the time.
I think that it is an enhancement to the show when you have people who do look true to the time. I think that period pieces that want to be taken really seriously should aspire to that.
I I agree, and I don't think she's wrong.
But then there's like, Bridgerton, which is not a period piece that wants to be taken seriously, in my opinion.
Okay, Bridgerton.
Bridgerton likes being a modern take. Just everything about it is modern. Even the light That's true.
I don't think they're trying to be completely London 1800s or whatever it is, like authentic. Yeah, no, they're not.
They use modern music that's set to orchestral instruments. I think that they like that. So I'm not even considering Bridgerton here because it is like a- I wouldn't call it a period piece. Yeah. No. And there are a lot of things about it that are obviously ahistorical. It's like a utopian historical fiction. That is what it is. But 1883, Downton Abbey, Game of Thrones, those ones, and they are very serious, and they get a lot of acclaim for awards. I feel this. As long as you can't tell that it's filler or Botox, I think, yeah, no extensions.
No, the titties is a really good point.
Yeah, that's another one.
Everybody was drooping low, like back in the day.
Yeah, and even if it's not a nude scene, you see it in people's clothes, in their silhouette. So just something to think about.
And I think it could be good for women in Hollywood to not have to keep up with this impossible standard.
Yeah, especially as they make more and more recreations. This actually could be setting people free.
1,000% from the shackles of beauty standards.
It's true. Let's rewind.
Yeah, I like that. It is always interesting to see what people truly looked like back then and how they styled their hair, the clothes that they wore without a modern spin on it. That's one of my favorite things is all these random history accounts that either through AI or restore old video footage to see what people on the street looked like. When you take the elevator in one of these old buildings in New York, you get to, as you go up, you see what New York looks like on this particular street as the time evolves. You see people, too. And literally, the girlies were different looking. Yeah.
The way their hair dry was different. They They didn't have flat hair. How come we all have flat hair now? What's that?
I feel like we've had this conversation, too, about a lot of it, I don't think, suffered from acne. Not only the air was cleaner, but they weren't putting so much shit on their face. Chemicals.
Yeah. Maybe they had more freckles without sunscreen. It's just very interesting to think about. I remember one show I was watching last year. I forget which one. There was a baby in the show, and they brought out a baby bottle, but it was one from 150 It was this little glass boat. It was just so interesting. It must have been an actual historical- See, that's accurate. It's interesting. Yes. We're here to learn. We are here to learn.
1000%.
So I'm with this girl. And so what? She said it harshly. So what? Listen up.
Wow. I didn't know they were having these types of conversations on TikTok. I'm obviously on the wrong side of TikTok because my TikTok is brain dead. I've never heard anybody having good intellectual conversations. That's on me, though. That's on my algorithm.
Okay, well, just talk loudly about how you want more historical factoids on your TikTok.
I wonder if people with Botox should be in period pieces.
Good job. Are you ready for the final story? A little sports news. What's going on in the sports world? And I do feel like this is a kickoff to a theme of conversations we're going to be having for the next two weeks, which is Super Bowl commercials. So Super Bowl ad prices top $8 million as a surge to US box sales. Unfortunately, Tarty, we can't get Super Bowl commercial this year. There's always next year.
Okay, we could start fundraising today, but I guess that is hopeful for the future of cable. I feel like even big cable moments in the last couple of years, big award shows, it's all going down. Super Bowl is the only thing that's going up and that has not been taken over by a streamer.
Yeah. The executive vice President of sales at Fox Sports said, The Super Bowl is the only place where you can aggregate legitimate scale with one commercial. It's not like any other thing. One, people in that moment, 40 million people will see your commercial. And if it is a successful commercial, it will continue to have impressions online as people talk about it. It's very true. I do think it's worth the money. It's how a new brand can make a splash. If you just do no other paid advertising for the year, save up, get a Super Bowl commercial. And it's how the old mainstays- Stay relevant. Protect the throne.
No, it's so true. It's my favorite. Me and Ben, we're just talking We were like, What should we do for the Super Bowl? We could do X, Y, Z. I'm like, I don't like going to Super Bowl parties because first of all, I like football. I'm not like other girls. I actually want to watch a game. Two, I feel like when you're at a Super Bowl party during the commercials, people go and talk and are loud. You do what you would normally do during a commercial break. Excuse me, I'm trying to watch.
Yeah, you're such a cool girl.
I'm so cool. I really care about football. I really need to be locked in. You guys probably listening, you don't understand because I'm not like you.
No, and you're such a media magnet that you need to see all the commercials. You're an advertising big wig. This is work for me. She's Dawn Draper when she's watching the Super Bowl.
We're just going to have a low-key Super Bowl at home.
I agree. We were just thinking because when we hosted people to watch a game on Sunday, we were like, What are we doing for the Super Bowl? I agree. I don't know if I want to have a lot of people over because then I'm cooking all day. On Sunday, towards the end of my cooking expedition, I was broken. I couldn't do another thing. I I had a loaf of sourdough that was proofing all day, and I couldn't even be bothered to shape it. And so I put it in the fridge, and it's still in the fridge. I have to throw it in the garbage. I couldn't do another thing. That's not what I want to do for the Super Bowl. I agree. I just want to watch it like I would any other football game and appreciate it.
A thousand %. It's also just enjoyable because I'm not like other girls. I enjoy it, so I want to watch it.
Yeah, you're so cool.
I don't know if I mentioned.
You're so cool.
Did I mention that I'm really into football?
I feel like you've alluded to it before, but it wasn't clear.
I don't like to brag because all these guys are like, Wow, you're so cool. It's annoying.
Anyways, commercials are going for $8 million. Some of them are starting to come out. The Hellman's one that you alluded to, it is out there. It's Joe and Schmo from Blow.
Harry and Sally. Okay, yeah. I didn't know if it was out because I was under embargo. Not me knowing about this for two weeks.
And a special cameo from Sydney Sweeney in the commercial.
Oh, yeah.
That's one. Looking forward to it. I'm not the type to watch them before. I want to have the experience.
No, it ruins it.
Yeah. That's one part of this whole thing that I would pull back on. I don't like when brands show us the commercial before. The element of surprise is fab.
No, I mean also, they do lead up campaigns. I know that Uber Eats is doing something with Matthew McConahe because now they're running a Matthew McConahe commercial that teases, Coming soon, February ninth. It's a fucking commercial.
Yeah, but they spent a lot of money. That I don't like.
I know.
If you spend $8 million on something, you'd want to show it to the world every day.
It's becoming a lot. You get the four hours of the game, you get the commercials, that's all you get.
Yeah, and you don't get it.
I don't like to give attention to people who are doing too much. It's true.
You have to walk the line.
Real The Princess of Beverly Hills was on last night. To be honest, I'm actually getting so over this current plot line, and I'm glad it appears that we put it to bed last night, but they took it one episode too far. I've now been listening to Kyle defend her actions and Doreep being mad at her. I've listened to it the entire season thus far. I haven't heard one other thing. Parts of the episode that I found really enjoyable were Garcel and Sutton really not letting Kyle get away with a singular mishap. When she invited them all out to lunch to apologize, even though she wasn't doing it to apologize, she was doing it to rally the troops. Sutton was like, Well, so what are you apologizing for? Because she did say it in a weird way. I'm not sorry for what I said. I'm sorry for how I said it, but I mean what I said, but I didn't say it in the way that I wanted to. So I actually appreciated Sutton being like, You called us here. Just what the fuck? What are you I'm sorry about.
Yeah, and she's just all of it. Which? Say it.
Which part?
Which part? And so I appreciated Sutton, trying to get the apology to be real and earnest. But then also then Erica comes in, and she really is such a compassionate friend because she was like, Everyone here has been through a divorce. You're at your worst. So you didn't act 100% like, Garcelle writing a whole email to CIA. Cut the lady some slack. And then I feel like, Okay, cut the lady some slack. However, Kyle- Yes, when she said that, I agree with her. Also needs to cut needs some slack because Dorit is going through the same thing. And because she can't do that for Dorit, why should we do it for her? However, we should still do it for her because that's called being the bigger person.
And I know that we got some... I know we got a resolution, and technically, this is put to bed. But what Kyle was saying in her side interviews about how she can't believe she can't be friends with both PK and Dorit, and that's something she's going to have to deal with. Are you fucking serious? I wish that Dorit would bring up the fact that she has not spoken to Mauricio since they got divorced because that's what girls do. That's just normal protocol. The way that Kyle's acting like this is such an inconvenience, and it's going to be so challenging, and it's so unexpected that she would have to only stay Doreet's friend and not PK's in a very contentious divorce. Why is she acting like this is her first time on planet Earth?
Yeah. I don't know why that is so hard for her and why she is really two-faced in her confessionals and with the girls, because with the girls, she keeps saying, Girls, girls, of course. Then in her confessionals, she's just like, Well, PK has been a better friend to me. As if it's not blanket, I have the woman's side, period.
If I'm Doreet and I'm watching that, her confessionals are undoing any ounce of goodwill she's earning on that beach.
I completely agree.
That's such frustrating TV to watch. Yeah. We're making a resolution.
Just wait for the reunion.
Honestly, I'm so ready to stop talking about these two. I don't know what comes next, but I can't deal with these two anymore. Kyle's seriously egregious. Erica does make good points. I think that she's right. I I wish everyone would lay off, but when she's going in on the argument between Dorit and Kyle, I think she gives Kyle a little too much grace. But I agree. Her reminding everybody to give this person grace is helpful because I don't, and I need that reminder. But when it comes to Doreet, Kyle's so fucking wrong.
No, and because Kyle won't give Doreet an ounce of grace, and then we're expected to give that to Kyle, and that's just confusing. She wants what she won't give.
Let's talk about that nasty thing Sutton said at Kyle's house when Doreet was telling everybody about Jaguar, Jagger, whatever his name is, asking if her and his dad were getting divorced, and Sutton just completely cut her off.
And was like, Let's get on the bus. Yeah. Yeah. That was weird. And I do think it is a Sutton issue because then they flash back. And by the way, whoever's working the flashbacks this season deserves a raise.
Kyle obviously snubbed an editor once who never forgot. And now this editor is Oh, this is my opportunity to destroy this woman. They're pulling footage that I haven't seen in years. No. That Denise thing?
Not only are they pulling the obvious moments, and I'm glad they keep pulling the moment last season where Doreet says to Kyle, I'm having this feeling of, Are PK and I going to make it? Is this how this ends? And then you also see Kyle saying, Doreet never inferred that- Tell me that anything was on in their marriage. They continue to show that, and that is so important. But then they just start flashing back when nobody was holding anyone's feet to the fire, Sutton with the robbery, which I would have completely forgotten about. Oh my God, same. About how her designer was stuck at customs.
Yeah, I never got to my head.
And Sutton does have a pattern of just being very sudden, focused in emotional moments, which isn't a good trait.
No, but this editor, they are seriously doing the Lord's work. The most frustrating thing that Kyle did this episode was she called that lunch, which I love that everybody knew what the lunch was. They were just calling her out. But she said she called lunch because she needs to have a referendum on how we all communicate with somebody going. It's like, Well, now that it's happening to you, you need to have a referendum. But when it was Denise, but when it was Erica- With flashback editor showing us that Kyle's party line, apparently the entire time she's been on the show, which is something I never noticed.
Let's talk about it. It's not the most interesting thing that a person could say, is that when something is happening in your personal life, we're going to talk about it. That's what we do.
She said, Now that it's out there, then we have to talk about it. So now the rules change because your thing is out there. Right. I actually see how she's not self-aware enough to see how hypocritical that is. You look so stupid.
Yeah. And Denise is right. It's like, No, we don't. How about, No, we don't?
Yeah. Well, now Kyle agrees with Denise.
And there have been so many things that have happened in their worlds that never came up on the show, like some of the Mauricio rumors that were so squash so early on, you would be a terrible person to bring that up.
You never bring it up. Doreet's financial issues.
The woman chasing Doreet around In the Bahamas. In the Bahamas at the pool. They were filming for that, and nobody brought it up, which you can have some respect for some of the things that people are going through privately. Not everything needs to be excavated on the show. But Kyle didn't go for that in the past.
No, and Kyle just has a history of her mantra is like, Well, it's out there. Yeah.
Well, it's out there, Kyle. A lot of things are out there.
Right. I just can't deal whenever she talks about Morgan Wade being like, My sexuality is being questioned. It's like, That's actually not what happened. You came on the show with a girlfriend.
You kissed in the music video.
Right. Then you said on the reunion that you were confused about your sexuality. Yeah.
She does deserve space to figure things out. But then why bring her on the show?
That's the thing. You get no space when you make it a storyline. You expect nobody to say, who's this lesbian lover of yours?
Matching tattoos.
No. And that's why Garcelle actually, yeah, Are you a lesbian or not? It's like such a simple question, which nobody would ever fucking ask her if she'd never have her girlfriend and her music video on the show last season. Right.
I wouldn't know who Morgan Wade is.
Right. So, yeah. It seems like- It wasn't a revolutionary episode.
No, not at all. I'm already forgetting everything that happened. It seems like the next half of the season, a lot is going to go down between Sutton and Doreet. Did you see the previews?
I didn't, actually. I didn't watch the previews for next week.
That's what I'm gleaning. At least it's something different. I think Sutton is at the center of things. Well, of course she is because she keeps inserting herself and wanting to be in on the drama. I'm sure she finally got herself inserted into the drama. Congrats.
Well, that's real house size. I feel like there's nothing else, really. Where the hell is Cathy? I was thinking that, too.
She's usually there for the big group moments. I miss her.
Desperately need her. But other than that, that's the show. That's The Toast.
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