Jackie and Claudia Oshry open their Tuesday edition of The Toast with Election Day chatter and a pet-related scare, then move into the week's entertainment stories. They recap the Disney night on Dancing With the Stars, debating team dances, judging scores and contestant choices.
They then cover the CFDA Awards and fashion-week style, a reported four-part Justin Timberlake docuseries on Apple, the divorce of an H3 podcaster, and Olivia Rodrigo's first holiday single. Listeners get a lively, opinionated take on each story, with the hosts often disagreeing about what the news means.
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Good morning, girlies, it's the Toast. It's Jax and Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast-five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly: it's the Toast.
They sound amazing.
Welcome back to the Toast, and happy Tuesday, happy Election Day. Who are you choosing? Because I choose you, Foley. Today, tomorrow, every lifetime.
Why, thank you, codegers.
That's beautiful. Who are you voting for?
Um, I'm probably voting for—if I'm being—like, let's be really honest, okay? I'm probably voting for Selena Meyer. I think she's running on, like, a really, um—
Strong platform.
Strong platform. I'd love to see a woman. A woman. I'll see myself ask, honestly.
It's so Selena Meyer.
I would love—yeah, I'd love to see a woman in business and in politics. And she has such a strong record of just, you know, being that bitch.
Yeah.
So, Meyer 27.
I love that. You know what I was thinking about this morning? I was thinking about what I was going to wear, and I feel like for a few years there, like, Election Day was so crazy. I remember if I had my nails painted a certain color—
Oh my god, people thought it was like a virtue dog whistle, they say.
Like, red or blue. I remember—and your sweater is reminding me—I remember Kim Kardashian.
Oh, that's a maroon.
Kim Kardashian posted a selfie on Election Day, like, "Go vote," whatever. And she was wearing, like, a maroon—literally that colored shirt, so people thought it was.
It was subliminal.
A Republican dog whistle. She had to delete it and repost it in black and white. And I feel good because I think that we're past that a little bit.
You and I, or society?
I feel like society—or maybe you and I have, like, stopped listening to that sort of stuff.
No, I think we used to—
But here I am, ping.
We used to have, like, a type of audience that was, like, really woke and, like—
Because your cup is red.
Yeah.
Your shirt is reddish.
I bleed blue.
You do?
What does that mean?
That you're a big Democrat.
Oh, is that what that means? Oh, I'm cracking up. I thought it was, like—oh, it's like you're red-blooded.
Yeah.
This is—this is a trick, okay? I don't want any part of this. I seriously—just leave me out of it, okay?
Yeah.
I just am here to entertain.
Yeah.
Is that okay? No, it's not, actually.
So anyways, yes, I feel good in knowing that I can just, like, make the choices that I want to make, even though they are very agnostic today, and that people aren't reading into it too much.
Yeah, like, who could forget when we made chili with guaya beans?
Who could forget?
And, you know, at the time, I think a lot of people thought that that was, like, a very, um, intentional political strategic move on our part, when actually they are just the best beans.
Mm-hmm.
So times were crazy. I think some corners of the internet still operate, like, in that sort of, like, woke mindset. I—I think as a society, generally, we have moved on to a more normal place.
Yeah, and as a toast society, I think.
We don't engage in behaviors like that. We're all here to have fun.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So get out the vote.
So important.
I have a loose plan. It's very loose. It depends what time we end this show.
Does it include an elderly friend and a snack?
It includes Botox.
What?
I have to get my Botox.
Okay.
So it's like, if we end the show and I can vote before my Botox, that's my plan. If we end late, which we probably will, because it's Dancing With the Stars, I'll have to go after my Botox.
Yeah, today's going to be a big show. Disney night on Dancing With the Stars.
Yes.
And an elimination. No one's outcoming except for us.
Except for us, that we prayed for.
That we prayed for, and—
I don't want to bully.
No, and I don't want to kick someone while they're down.
I'm not.
I was actually shocked of all the weeks where, like, I really felt like she needed to go home. Like, honestly, last night wasn't it.
I know, but really, who else?
Everyone did so good.
We'll get into the stories. I also meant to tell you I was supposed to see you last night, but then I didn't.
Uh-huh.
Um, Bruno had another brush with death yesterday. He used up another one of his lives.
Well, we do need to start keeping count, because I do believe we will max out at around 9 or 10.
Yeah.
What do you think we're at? Like, 5?
Um, let me count the ways. So.
The dark chocolate, obviously, was a big scare.
The sour patched watermelon.
The chicken bone.
The chicken bone. That came with.
Oh, over the summer when we stayed in East Hampton, remember? And he was, like, vomiting, and we had—he had.
Pancreatitis.
Pancreatitis.
The pancreatitis, the great pancreatitis of East Hampton.
Of 2024?
Yes.
So it's 4. And then last night, whatever you're going to tell me.
And then last night, 5.
5.
Yesterday. Um, so we were cleaning out the high chair, and a couple of raisins fell to the ground, and before we could pick them up, one Bruno swiped them.
You know what's so funny? I've been meaning to actually ask you about that mother-to-mother. Um, we've recently entered our raisin era. Such a great snack.
Mm-hmm.
And of course, we don't really do grapes because we have a dog, and grapes are toxic to dogs. And it literally didn't even occur to me that there were raisins all over the floor. Romeo actually sniffed it and walked away. He's not a—Romeo's not a big eater. Like.
He's a self-preservationist.
And then I was thinking, does it pose the same threat?
Yes, very much so.
So what did you do with Bruno?
So we had to call up our CDI, our SPCA Poison Control. Um, they went through the stats. We weren't sure if it was 2 or 3 raisins. If it were 2, he could have just passed them.
But 3.
But 3. We have to induce vomit.
Takes it to a toxic level.
So of course that goes like, hmm, I think it was 3. We induced vomit. My king threw up, as he always does.
Did you, like, sift through the vomit to find the raisins?
My other king, my husband, did that. And we found 3 raisins, and we put it to bed.
And you know what?
It's just a regular Monday.
In the life of Bruno.
Yeah.
He needs a cell phone, um, that has the ASPCA hotline, like, on speed dial. He's the craziest dog ever.
He's so crazy.
Actually, Romeo's, like, actually been, like, kind of annoying. I mean, what else is annoying? It's been thunder—first of all, flooding.
Oh, yeah.
Up the wazoo.
Rains.
I couldn't even watch Dancing With the Stars. I thought the political commercials were annoying. The fucking flood warning, all of it.
Fucking flood.
And then the second the intro starts, I see PT Barnum.
Yeah.
They cut to the weather guy. I'm like, severe weather, like.
And the weatherman is really making a meal out of it.
Yes.
And I'm like, maybe he doesn't know that he's interrupting our program.
Disney night.
But then at the end of it, he's like, now it's back to Dancing With the Stars.
I'm like, so you knew, and you repeated yourself?
Do you know what I did?
So many times with non-essential information.
I switched over to Disney+.
That's why you were asking for the login.
I—I could not remember our login. I had no political commercials because it's national. So I had, like, Shaq for the general, you know? Um, Pizza Hut, gorgeous things. And no interruptions. So.
That's so smart.
I was watching Late Belated, and I was like, how was Claudia not flipping out?
I was so annoyed.
Yes.
Especially because, like, right when PT Barnum came on.
Oh, for me, it started right at the beginning. The Lion King missed that.
Oh, I missed that too, but.
I got PT. I did.
Oh, I didn't.
Interesting.
Then I went literally on, uh, Disney+ and rewinded, like, because I really wanted to see it.
Yeah.
Um, but it was.
So when I.
Oh, wait, it was.
And I had to watch Julia Stiles dance without sound because.
You're fine.
The weatherman was telling me about what's happening in Port St. Lucie.
Yeah, Port Lucie.
What is it?
Lucy. What do you mean, what is it? Lucy.
I don't know why.
Yeah, by the way, shit's bad in Port St. Lucie.
It's giving a love to our Port St.
Or Port St. Lucie toast. I learned that also from the original weather alert.
They got it bad because the weatherman was like, "Stay home."
And the whole thing was, like, Port St. Lucie. I'm like, okay, but I'm not in Port St. Lucie.
I think he actually came up with a little glimmer. He said, "Don't drown, turn around."
Chilling.
I thought that was nice.
I thought, you know what's better? "Don't take risks on treacherous roads." So it was thundering and lightning all night long, and it has been for, like, 2, 3 days. And Romeo's like.
Right, Romeo.
Romeo's like, "Can't take it." Shaking.
No, I'm not one of those.
Yes.
He's one of those.
He's acting like he's a dog who's been to Iraq. Like, you literally are from a breeder in New Jersey. Like, what are you afraid of? Shaking. Has not gone to the bathroom in 24 hours. We keep taking him outside. He runs inside. He will not go in. Tail between his legs. Had to sleep in our bed. Like, oh my god, he is being so drama. You guys, he's, like, having a full traumatic.
Respond.
Reaction. It has been, like, days. Um, and I don't know what to do with him. Like, when I—when I hold him, he shakes. When I—I put him in his crate, that's, like, his safe space. But, like, then it's sad and he's alone and scared. I seriously don't know what to do. I don't have the bandwidth for it. And he has not gone to the bathroom, like, in almost a day.
But he's peed?
No.
Hmm.
Yeah, I know.
You might need to call ASPCA.
No, I just know I'm going to find, like, a pee in the bathroom or something. Like, on my computer.
Oh, classic.
There's a pee somewhere.
Give him a bath mat. He loves that.
Yeah.
That's his favorite.
He's just being, like, so drama.
Oh, I didn't know you had one of those.
Yeah, me neither, because, like, I don't experience a ton of thunderstorms.
Mm-hmm.
Over the summer in the Hamptons, it was, like, one or two. And honestly, I don't remember him being affected by it.
No, these have been crazy. These are on another level.
They have been, like, very loud and very bright.
It feels like it's right on top of your home only.
Yeah, it's true.
Yeah.
Um, so that's just sort of, like, what we're dealing with, canine-wise, at our house.
I know.
It's been a—it's been a drama.
The dogs are going through it.
The dogs are going through it.
But other than that.
Other than that, all good on the Western Front, as the kids say. I watched Dancing With the Stars at a Parji snack at a Nutter Butter.
Oh, I had a chili with the stars.
I had chili as well. But it's been a while since I had a Nutter Butter.
I've only eaten chili for the last 48 hours.
And how do you—you've never looked better, by the way.
Thank you so much. I don't feel weird.
I've never felt worse.
No, I definitely feel a little weird, but I think I also just have cramps.
It's a lot of beans.
Yeah, no, I just have—like, I'm also—I have my, um, my—my cramps.
Speaking of cramps, you know, I'm having this thing in pregnancy that I do remember. I just—I hadn't. Like, it's really bad.
Serviceable. Now you spit on them.
In my—in the first pregnancy. Like, if I would walk, like, I'd try to do something active for, like, 15 minutes. I would get, like, really bad round-leg amend pain. It happens now, like, on my walk in, like, minute one.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I'm literally, like, going to become incapacitated. Like, I cannot leave the house. And so yesterday, I was like, okay, I want to go to TJ Maxx. I was like, you know what? Ben doesn't—like, I really can't do anything solo these days with food. But I was like, you know what? I can go to TJ Maxx with food. Like, it's fine. He needed new clothes. We went to TJ Maxx. I'm walking for one second, literally one second, in the parking lot. Jackie, I'm keeled over having round-leg amend pain. Like, in the middle—I haven't even gotten to the store yet. It's like, what am I supposed to do? Just sit at home all day? Okay, I'll do it.
Well, I feel like they say, I—
Are you supposed to walk through it?
Part of round-leg amend pain, it's like, I—why you get it so bad, like, in the middle of the night. That's when I used to get it.
Oh, I never heard of it.
I never heard of it. It's like after being sedentary for a long time. Like, then it pops off.
I haven't—I never heard that.
So maybe you need to be more active.
I'm actually extremely active.
You are.
Like.
We're here now.
I go to work every day. Like, I'm not really, like, on bed rest. Like, obviously, I rest, as a pregnant woman should. Maybe above average. Maybe above average resting. But I'm really not that, like, sedentary.
Yeah.
Like, I can't even go for a one-minute walk. I can't even walk through the parking lot from the car to the TJ Maxx door.
Yeah.
And by the way, when I finally did get to TJ Maxx, they're on, like, Christmas crack. It was insane. Christmas music, Christmas snacks, Christmas decor. Obviously, I love it. Like, I'm the type of person, if I was not, um, a Ju-ess, like, my tree would be up.
Yeah. A Christmas queen.
But it was overwhelming. It was so soon.
I'm coming down from Halloween, then I'll celebrate my birthday, and then maybe I'll be ready for the festivities.
Yeah.
But right now, I just need, like, a period of neutrality.
Yes.
What—what are you thinking about my birthday?
No, I wasn't thinking anything.
You got me something?
I didn't. I really need to. Um, it just, like, hasn't come to me yet.
Yeah.
And it will come. Unfortunately, like, now I'm probably going to have to, like, shop in person, which I hate.
Yeah.
My round-leg amend pain.
Well, Chanel flats, actually. I would love a pair.
Consider it done.
Um, these are a size 36 and a half, but you could go 37. Like, these are, like, a—a—a pre-second pregnancy. I think I've had these since before. Actually, I've had these since before I was ever pregnant. Now they're stretched to my foot, but I think these days I'm a 37.
Consider it done.
You're an associate. Obviously, pleening colors.
I was going to say, like, a more neutral, like.
I—I actually, uh, maybe, like, something in the blue family. I'm—I find I wear a lot of blue.
Consider it done, sister.
I love that.
Act surprised when you open it up.
I will, because I don't know what they're going to.
Even though, like, sort of an issue I'm currently facing just being here is that I went to the mall, and, like, the place where I like to park at the mall is Sachs. I cannot shop at Sachs. You guys know I have a personal vendetta with Sachs.
Do they know?
I've never shared. And you also should have another.
I know.
You should.
Do—I don't think they know.
No, I never wanted to, like, make myself a victim.
Mm-hmm.
But as you guys know, like, Sachs is a former sponsor of our show, and they're also a company that filed for bankruptcy. Um, and yeah, with that information, what you will know. I will say, we did get a settlement from them. It was about one-fifth of what we were actually owed. They were a huge Q4 partner in the year, like, 2024. Then we found out, like, we weren't getting paid. And I was like, fuck this place. And then I remember I was in the mall shopping, and I'm like, wait, how am I shopping at Sachs? You owe me money. Like, how are you even open right now? You owe me money. How are you even showing your face? You owe me money.
Yeah.
So I won't shop there. Even though technically, like, we—they have settled their debts with us. We took, like, a, a settlement.
Yeah.
But, like, not cool to be purchasing ads on the Number One podcast when you can't even pay your bills.
For sure, but I would take the.
So low brow.
I would take the rest of it in credit, I'll say.
Like, obviously, I'm open to the situation being ameliorated, but not a good look. Because one thing about me, I don't mess around with people who owe me money.
Mm-hmm.
That's sort of, like, you could actually stab me, and I might even have a better chance of forgiving you than if you owe me multiple figures. So I'll have to find another store.
You could go to Chanel Direct.
I could go to Chanel Direct.
Direct to Chanel. I can give you my SA.
DTC.
Mm-hmm. I could give you my SA.
You're like one of those girls on TikTok, like, the who make, like, their SA, their personality.
Oh, they're amazing.
Usually at her bands.
What are they saying?
You're like, I hunted down my SA, and it's like, I thought SA meant sexual assault. So I'm like, why are you hunting down your sexual assailant? I'm no, but it also means a sales associate who, like, you know, create a relationship with. And especially at Hermes, they, like, keep your purchase history, and eventually, like, maybe we'll get you, like, a bag.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I find that content, like, genuinely insufferable.
Yeah.
Like, if you're talking about your SA, not your sexual assa—if you're talking about your sales associate and you're using the term SA, just know, like, I'm—it's an immediate scroll for me.
Understood. We had a great SA in the Hamptons. Maybe you could reach out to her.
Of course. I told the story when I thought she recognized me for being famous, and she actually was like, "Oh, no, I've helped you here before." I was like, "Oh, okay."
Yeah, totally.
Maybe I'm not as famous as I—as I thought.
No, I think you are. Didn't something famous happen to you yesterday?
Golden Globe.
Golden Globe.
Did something famous happen to me yesterday?
I feel like something happened.
What happened?
I don't know.
Okay, wait. Let's walk through the day. What did I do yesterday? Came here, was hilarious, left, laid in bed. No, I'm kidding. I went to TJ Maxx.
Maybe we weren't together yesterday. Maybe it was, like, on Halloween. Something famous happened to you, but I—I just feel like that always happens.
It's true. That's why we're having.
Oh, it always does.
That's why we're having a hard time, like, pinpointing which moment it was, because it happens all the time.
Yeah.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Well.
The life of a showgirl.
Let's get into the stories.
Ugh, okay.
Why Dancing With the Stars?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Your favorite.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I have been.
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My dryer's fine.
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Our first story, Dancing With the Stars.
Let me pull up my group chat just to get my notes. I'm, like, I'm very active in our group chat now, even more so.
I had to mute our group chat because I watched literally two hours after you guys.
But, like, I don't remember my thoughts. Oh, my first thought: Maura looks like Paige DeSorbo tonight. Did anybody else think that?
Well, yes.
With the sidebangs.
With the sidebangs, and they just.
It's a very Audrey Hepburn.
Very Audrey Hepburn. I think they all, like, look similar.
Yeah. I just thought it.
Yeah.
I wrote it down.
Thank you for sharing it.
I wanted to get it out first, like, in case other people thought that, you know. Like, I had my own original thought.
Disney night at Dancing With the Stars. We had individual dances and team dances, and I did not know that that was happening.
Me neither.
Also, Cynthia Erivo.
Oh, yeah. The bald woman who's actually, I feel, not really running out of goodwill anymore, because I think she gained a lot of goodwill last night.
And because, like, the wicked thing is over, so people are going back to judging Cynthia as Cynthia, and she's.
And, like, realizing how talented she is.
She's so talented. And I don't even know her extensive Broadway background, but whatever she was saying on the panel last night, she's obviously an expert.
I was just talking about, yeah.
And I was very impressed with her overall.
There were a lot.
And her ability to, like, express herself. And, like, you know, I feel like the other judges, some of them do.
No, but she did give critiques. I feel like a lot of the guest judges, like, won't say anything bad.
And she gave, I think, on-the-nose marks.
And her and Bruno were having a time.
Were they?
Yeah, it was just sort of like giving girls kikiing. Like, they were just, like.
I'm cracking up. That's so Bruno.
Yeah, totally.
He had a rough day.
Yeah, right.
So he was excited to go party last night.
So who went first?
Who went first?
Oh, we have to talk about Julianne's bangs, just briefly.
Sure.
People, like, couldn't get over her bangs. They were crazy. But, like, she is committed to her craft.
She is. And people need to stop, like, analyzing every single thing that she wears and that she does. Like, she is a chameleon, first of all. She can wear anything. She's gorgeous. She's thin. She's having fun with fashion. She's also an amazing host. I feel like people clown on her. Thank you, Alphonso. But, like, the way she keeps the show moving, and even, like, the awkward moments, she actually, like, had a moment last night where she was.
She asked a dumb question.
She was like, "What did I say?"
Yeah.
And I just think hosting is really hard.
Yeah, I agree.
A lot of people start hosting who aren't trained hosts, and I think she does not get enough credit for being actually an amazing host.
I think also the contestants really like her. And, like, she's in on the joke, which is a huge check in her column.
And she gives us so much with all of her outfits and her looks.
And her dancing.
And her dancing. But even still, like, every—she really shows up and, like, does the most for the job. So I feel like people are just so hard on her.
Mm-hmm.
Or just, like, nitpick things, and it's like, just enjoy the fashion, okay?
It's true.
Maybe you don't get it, but.
She's trying.
No, but she's succeeding. She looks amazing all the time. She, like.
I wouldn't choose every outfit that she does, but she always looks nice, yes.
She always looks nice. First, we had Amber Glen and Pasha Pashkov. They danced to Go the Distance. Oh, no, A Star Is Born.
No, they didn't wish.
A Star Is Born from Hercules. A Star Is Born. We're actually in very much a Hercules era in our house, so this dance meant a lot to me.
And I also—I did really love the message, you know, that she's just always been this, like, very strong-looking girl, and she always felt like that, like, chipped away at her femininity, but now she leans into it. It was a fine dance. Honestly, it wasn't, like, breathtaking or anything. I do feel—I know everyone—I feel like I say the same thing every week, but there were so many songs that I did not know. And I feel like dancing to Be Our Guest and then dancing to a random song from Aida, like, it's literally not fair. It's not.
I guess. But if you, the dancer yourself, like, know the song and it means something to you.
I don't think that they, um, have a huge say in what they get to dance to.
Yeah. But these songs are all good songs. So it's like, maybe you've not heard it before, but once you hear it a couple times, it's pretty good.
Yeah, but, like, watching a performance for a song that you know, it makes you, like, so, like, you want—you're going to like the dance no matter what. So I feel like with, you know, I didn't know this song, so with Amber, I was just judging, like, probably a little harsher.
I've heard it, no.
You've heard? You have?
Yeah.
Um, it was a good dance. It was fine.
It was good. It was good. I don't have anything negative to say, and sometimes I do, so.
Yeah.
Um.
So we'll leave it at that.
34 out of 40 for them. Then Maura and Mark danced to You Can Fly, You Can Fly, You Can Fly from Peter Pan. She was Tinker Bell. They did the jive, which she shared was the worst part of her.
Tinker Hell.
Her experience. She's in Tinker Hell. It was actually cute last night, because I felt like we saw more of her personality.
Yes.
Whereas you were just saying we weren't seeing it. Now, the dance earned kind of low scores. They were at the bottom, 32 out of 40.
It's not her style. Like, it's not where she's very elegant. She's long. So, like, those waltzes that other people find really challenging, she probably excels at more than the average person. But these, like, quick little tiny movements, she's kind of lanky and tall, and it didn't look right. Um, and I think the judges' critiques reflect that. I think the, uh, scores reflected that. I think she—it was better than she thought, because she seemed surprised by the eights. I think she was actually happy.
Well, the thing is, all four eights is not a bad score.
No.
And a couple weeks ago was a great score, but everyone is just scoring higher now, so they're just not hacking it. I also thought Carrie Ann's commentary was very interesting, because we saw in the package, like, Maura seems to be running out of steam—stamina, energy—and you really need to take care of yourself in the competition, because it's so grueling. The training is grueling. And you can feel that she is just, like, wasting away.
Yeah, I think Carrie Ann, like, was referring to her weight, right?
Well.
She's a very thin person. And obviously, like, thinness doesn't always mean, like, you're the healthiest. And I think that, like, when you're doing such cardio, like, you actually need to be eating a lot.
Yeah, and you are losing weight on the show, and you need to keep your energy up. So yes, perhaps it is about the thinness, but it was also from what Maura was saying in the packages. You can just see she's just completely worn out.
Yeah.
So even if she was a different size, if she's saying those things, like, she's not taking care of herself enough for the competition.
I do feel like it was, like, kind of inappropriate to say, like, on TV in front of everyone, um, just sort of singling her out. And she was, like—and I mean this for all the contestants—like, that's something you really pull her to the side and say. I didn't think it was appropriate, honestly.
I thought it was, like, a fair response to the package that we saw.
No, because in the package, Maura was, like, really saying that she's just struggling with this dance in particular. And Carrie Ann just, like, kind of got so serious, and it was weird.
Oh, I thought.
Like, it was awkward. It was inappropriate.
Oh, I thought it was, like, an appropriate response and a very true statement for everyone.
Very true statement that she should have shared privately.
And anyone's package, no matter what they look like, if anyone's package, like, was, like, Maura's where she's just sort of out of steam.
Yeah.
That that would be a good thing to say is, like, remember to take care of yourself. This competition is very difficult.
For sure. Maura's just, like, very visibly thin.
Mm-hmm.
And, like, I don't know, it probably just made her, like, self-conscious.
But if she had said it to a fat person, you wouldn't like that, and we would say it was about weight too.
Yeah, of course I would.
You can't say it to anyone.
Yeah, no, you can say it. I'm saying, like, pulling them to the side. Because I do believe Carrie Ann was coming from a genuine place of concern.
Of course.
So, like, I would have just pulled her to the side if, like, you really feel that way.
But I think it's also something that everyone should hear.
Yes.
Even people at home. Like, you need—if you're training like an athlete, like, take care of yourself.
Absolutely.
Don't just, like, run yourself down.
Absolutely.
That's not going to be the best thing.
Absolutely. There's a time and a place to say these things. Oh, and then we need to talk about, um, Derek's attempt at an Irish accent, because obviously I.
He did sound like a high-ranking Nazi officer.
Okay, Christophe Waltz in Inglourious Basterds. Like, I could tell the second he started talking he regretted it. And listen, I get it. Every time I do an accent, it becomes Russian. Like, every time Ben does an accent, it's Scottish. Like, Jamaican, yeah. I get it. Accents are hard. Of course. Irish specifically. Now, Derek, not cool.
So, like.
Very triggering for me to hear that, honestly.
Like, he put himself out there. He tried something.
Let's make fun of the girl who took a risk creatively.
Yeah, he really did.
And put herself out there.
He really did. Also, every time Derek.
Sorry, I wrote in my—in our group chat, Derek accidentally entering Nazi territory. He tried to do an Irish accent. Gerbels energy.
Derek, I'm not offended, and I forgive you.
I forgive you too.
Every time Derek, like, is just speaking, I just have to do, like, sort of an audit on Derek.
Yeah.
You know, I'm just, like, thinking about Derek a lot.
And what conclusions did you come to?
And I just, like, love him.
Oh.
There's only one Derek.
So true. Irreplaceable.
He really is.
I agree.
He's really great. And I.
And he does, like, really care about the contestants. He gives good critiques.
He gives great critiques.
Agreed. Like, he very—he's middle ground too. Like, he knows when people need to be, like.
Coddled.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yep, yep, yep.
But I think he's really great.
Yeah.
Then we have Tatiana and Jan. They danced to Aida. They did a contemporary dance, which was very beautiful, and the judges loved it.
It was.
Carrie Ann had chills, as she let us know.
And I think that it goes back to what we said last week. Like, contemporary as a dance style, I'm sure it's, like, a valid style, but when we think about it in the context of all the different ballroom styles, it's so much easier, and you just get graded better.
Mm-hmm.
Like, everyone who does a contemporary gets a high score. It was a great dance, but this was my note in the group chat. Them giving Tatiana this old random-ass Broadway show to dance to? They hate her. They had to explain the show in the package, like, "We're dancing to Aida," which is a really old show. Like, nobody knew the show. Nobody knew the song. Uh, hello? Like, come on. They never give her, like, good, good songs.
I guess. I would like to know more about the selection process.
At the bare minimum, I had heard of all the other shows.
Yeah.
Maybe not the exact song.
I've heard about Aida.
I haven't.
I had heard about Aida. She got a 33 out of 40, which was really good and better than Maura, so she was not bottom of the pack.
She was not bottom of the pack. She was not in the bottom, period. She was chosen as a team captain, actually.
Oh, my gosh.
Because she has the lowest combined score.
Oh, my gosh.
Um, and I want to talk about her selects. I've actually saw—I see a lot of people talking about this. I was really surprised by the very, like, gym-class picking of teams.
Yeah.
Um.
It remained positive, but that can be really hurtful. Like, I'm feeling for Jen and Dwam.
Jen and Dwam. The best dancer there.
Yeah.
Got two perfect scores in a row.
But it wound up being great for Jen, because she was on an amazing team.
The better team. Tatiana, girl, like, you chose poorly. Like, I—I know she was choosing, because she's a—she's a real one. You know, she's just choosing people who she—she has to rehearse with them and hang out with them and the people that she likes, but, like, the other team was stacked. Like.
Yeah, she chose Maura first. If I was choosing first.
And I think she wanted to assemble a team of women, Jen and Dwan.
If I was choosing first, I'm going with the best. That's how, like, these pickings go. And if I want to be with a woman, I would go Jen and Dwan.
Obviously.
So she hates Jen and Dwan.
Yeah.
Then she went Amber. Amber would be the next.
Yeah, every.
Is the right second woman's choice. And then it would be.
If I had to pick a woman.
Maura.
Yeah.
Or Inglourious Styles.
Yeah.
Um, so she let the other team just get stacked. And, and why I think.
And the worst song and the worst outfits.
I know you hate Zootopia, but I love it.
No, I like that song.
I think.
I'm sorry. We're all in this together. Like, the lore.
But then when they did their Zootopia, it was so cute, and they all wore the pants, and I thought it was, like, so camaraderie and.
It was giving Pam Talent Show.
And it was really giving, like, global gym. I mean, no, uh.
Average shows.
Average shows. Like, we're coming together, and we're going to be the best.
Exactly.
And it was, like, really scrapping great. And I'm like, honestly, the other team is so stacked. They're dancing to something so obvious. Like, I feel like there's going to be no heart, and it's going to be—they're actually not going to win, because it's going to be, like, global gym.
No, they had an amazing time.
It was amazing.
The whole thing was so uneven. Their costumes were, like, seriously so much worse. Their song was so much worse. Their dance was so much worse. Like.
No, I—I feel like as much as High School Musical is so good and better, you think, on its face, it's also so obvious and a little corny that it's hard to make it your own without just doing, like, this.
No, I think in Dancing with the Stars world, like, that corniness is invaluable.
I—I actually thought for a second that the underdogs were going to win.
That's beautiful.
And then when they came out with what they came out with, it was perfection.
Yeah, it was really good.
Yeah, I really enjoyed that. I didn't know that was happening, and I enjoyed their team dances.
Me either. God forbid they make the episode just, like, shorter. No, we have to watch team dances.
No.
Okay, that's fine.
Harry Shum and Jenna Johnson danced to Mary Poppins, Super Cadre Fragilistic X Beatocious. 40 out of 40.
It was insane. It was Jordan Fischer.
It was Jordan Fischer.
It was going to.
It's going to be incredible.
It's going to go down in the history books of Dancing with the Stars. It was the first dance of the night that I actually knew the song to, so I felt like he was automatically at an advantage. He was so Mike Chan from Glee. Like, the knee walking, the everything.
The—the graphics in the back coordinating with their moves. I thought that was brilliant.
They did get a little bit—I thought it at the time, and then I saw people on Twitter saying, like, why the end of the dance was, like, a solo act for Jenna. She's doing, like, an eight-turn pirouette and, like, where's your partner?
Yeah.
But I liked it, so.
And then they just, like, ended randomly with this huge lift that felt like a middle finger to Carrie Ann. That's how I saw it.
That's funny.
But they didn't have him in the lift.
Right.
Because it's not your partner lifting.
Partner.
So I just saw it as one giant middle finger on the dance floor.
I didn't think of it, but you're 100% right.
And I think them lifting her was, like, sym—and it was, like, two people. It was, like, symbolized.
Yeah, if you, like, zoom out and connect the dots, it's one big finger.
And it was, like, turned together.
1,000%. It was literally the best dance of the season.
Yeah, it was amazing. And Jenna choreographed it amazing. Obviously, he danced amazing, but the whole thing, the whole package put together was just perfection.
Yeah, um, it really, like, endeared me to Harry Shum.
Yeah, they also got rid of the umbrella at the exact right time when I was done watching them dance with an umbrella.
Yeah, it's also, like, that is, like, also the corny and obvious Mary Poppins aha. But they had to do it.
It's corny night.
Yeah, it is.
Disney is Disney.
It's corny as cornball night, 100%.
And I love that.
Me too.
Then we had Ezra Frech and Daniela Kargash. They danced to The Little Mermaid Under the Sea. He was Prince Eric. They got 37 out of 40.
I'm glad they did samba, because it reminded me, like, the dance that we were obsessed with of his was samba. When he's like si.
No, which one?
He's done a samba before.
No, he—the whole point was they thought he would never do a samba on this show because he actually physically can't. And then Daniela said, "I think that you can."
Oh, I thought they did a samba.
No.
When he's, like, doing his hip thing so many times. Whatever. I fucking loved it. I also loved his hair slicked back. I think he, like, looks like a real, like, sexy little fish. She choreographs him so well.
Mm-hmm.
Of course, the mechanics of doing these types of moves without a leg and the balance of everything is always, like, very interesting. And then you really see it on the dance floor. Like, you see the—the shifting of the hips, the shifting of the weight. It was magnificent. He's such a winner.
He's such a winner. But I will say, this wasn't, like, one of my up-there favorite dances. Like, sometimes I'll watch him dance with.
Of neither of his, you mean?
Of his.
Oh, it was up-there for me. It was really good.
Sometimes I'm blown away. And it was really good, but also, not every dance is going to blow you away.
Sure.
So I just need my boy to make it to the finals.
Yep.
And then it's on.
Agreed.
Julius Styles and Ezra Sosa, they danced for me on mute to Satisfied from Hamilton.
Which I think means a lot to a lot of people.
Liz Woods, of course.
It means nothing to me.
I know that song. To the groom, to the groom, to the groom.
I didn't know it. I know some Hamilton songs from TikTok.
To the bride, to the bride.
Alexander and I'm out of sleep.
Oh, quite a time.
I've got an early meeting out of town. Like, I know some of that.
Of course, because Kelly Clarkson sings that one. It's quite a.
Did she?
She did a cover. It's beautiful.
There's, like, a trend on, of course, work, work, Canteletta, work, work, Eliza, and Peggy. Like, I know them from TikTok. I didn't know that one. Um, but I think that's, like, you could tell when the franchise, like, likes someone.
Mm-hmm.
Like, giving them Hamilton and Tatiana's over here dancing to Aida. Like, please. It was not even her worst dance. Like, I honestly don't even have anything to say good or bad. And, like, spoiler alert, this being the one that got her sent home, I was like, oh.
Well, just.
Honestly, I thought she had another week.
The competition is stiffer. The only people who would have gone home are her.
Tatiana, Fibula.
Tatiana or Fibula. And I'm going to put Maura down there too now.
I actually would even swap Fibula and Maura. I would say Fibula's out of the danger zone.
I would say so too. And now his scores are on par with Maura, and his dancing for the last two weeks has been, like, on par, and I think he has more fans.
I also think Fibula's really enjoying himself. And I get the sense that Maura is not. Like, even when they had the split screen of who's going home, like, she didn't look, like, so, so happy. When people are on the chopping block and they hear their names, there's, like, this huge sense of relief that washes over them. Maura's just like, okay, another week. Like.
I think she knows to mind her face because she'll go viral for looking too happy, like Whitney Leovigan.
Oh, no, I got the sense from the package too. I think it's really hard. Like, and I think it's, like, not one at a time.
It is hard, but I also think she want—really wants to be, like, an American TV star.
Yes, and this is what it takes.
And she doesn't want to go home. She's been working for so long. She was on Love Island in 2020.
Yeah.
She's finally having her moment. She does not want to go home.
Oh, I really get the sense that, like, she wouldn't be upset if she got eliminated. Like, I think there would be, like, a huge.
Of course.
And she's made it really far. Like, at this point, there's now seven contestants left, and there's only four that go—four that go to the final. So there's only three more eliminations. That's actually making it really far.
Mm-hmm.
Like, that's sufficient. And that keeps you in, like, the Dancing with the Stars universe.
But at one point, she was shooting for the finale.
Tries to win.
For the finale.
Yeah. But now, maybe she'd just take sixth place.
Mm-hmm. Jen and Dwan and Val, they danced to Be Our Guest. They got 40 out of 40. They brought in Steve Cazee of Twilight Fame.
Are you—were you okay?
I was okay, but I was very glad to see Steve Cazee and learn about him.
His background. I—of course, thought of you immediately.
I didn't know that he was on Broadway.
Yeah.
I just thought, like, he did the Twilight soundtrack and called it a day.
No, I have a hot take. I thought her, like, she danced amazing, and it was a 10 out of 10 performance, but I wasn't obsessed with the choreography. Like, Be Our Guest is such a slam dunk. I'm sorry, there's not a better song ever made by Disney ever. It is joy. Everyone knows it. She's dressed as Belle. And I don't know, when it ended, I was like, oh, wait, that's it? Like, I—I wasn't really obsessed with the choreography.
But that's what I mean about when you get sort of, like, that obvious song that everybody loves. It's like, it's almost hard to select—to crush it because the expectations are so high. Also, I saw—saw something so weird this morning.
Mm-hmm.
You know Dan and Michelle of, um, Hallmark Fame, right?
I don't.
You don't?
Who?
Danica? You'll see.
I don't. I know Danica Patrick.
Everybody knows Danica. She's played, like.
Of Aaron Rodgers' fame.
She's played a royal princess. She's played someone who married into royalty. But I guess she did Dancing with the Stars. You don't know this lady? You know her. Everybody knows Danica.
We don't, actually. I don't know Danica.
Okay. She did Dancing with the Stars years ago.
Wow.
Val was her partner.
Okay.
On Disney night, they did Beauty and the Beast.
Mm-hmm.
Be Our Guest.
Mm-hmm.
A Quick Step.
You're kidding.
Does that not look exactly like Jenna?
It does. That's insane that they did the same.
Isn't that weird? It looks like Jenna. Same glam and everything.
That's weird. That's weird. I just—yes, I hear you on, like, the—the high-net-worth songs being almost like a trap. But, like, I—I think Jenna Johnson crushed it in a high—like, in Super Cadre Fragile. Everyone knows that song.
It's—it's possible to crush, but I think it's harder than you think.
Well.
And it's not just the slam dunk.
They did crush. They got a 40, but, like, I don't know. I was like, this—it's not Hall of Fame. It's not going in one of those.
Because it's so obvious. It's Be Our Guest, and they are doing some great dancing. Like, it's hard to make it your own. That's all I'm saying.
No, I just think the choreography was bad. Like, I don't think it's a—yeah, I think it could be a trap, 100%. But also, like, just do it good. Like, Jenna—like.
She did it good.
Sorry. I—chore—choreographed it well. Like, there was no big moment. Like, it was all just good and fine, and they did all the moves, and they got a perfect score because technically, everything was done right. They had, you know, you need to have as many quick steps in a quick step to consider it a quick step. It was just, like, I wasn't dazzled. Like, I wasn't—you know, Be Our Guest is, like, one of my, like, literal favorite songs in the whole world. So I was just, like, when it ended, I actually.
Because you're supposed to.
I couldn't believe it ended.
You love it too much. That's why you're saying that.
No, no. No, it's not. It was just not, like—it wasn't wow.
I agree.
It was a well-executed dance.
I agree. It was perfect.
Per moves, but it wasn't—it didn't, like. Wasn't moving.
Yeah.
I was actually moved by Harry Shum Jr.
Yeah.
And I don't even feel for him.
You don't feel for him.
I kind of do now. I'm like, yeah, that's Mike Chan. Like, they've—they've—they've made no references to Glee, by the way. Like, they're doing him no favors. Grey's Anatomy, this Grey's—we don't give a fuck, okay? Bring back Mike Chan.
Then we had Connor Wood and Riley Arnold, um, doing a very romantic dance to I See the Light from Tangled. They got a 32 out of 40, so tying with Maura, all eights.
Giving him Tangled. Like, they knew what they were doing. I don't know if you know, Gen Z is obsessed with Tangled, and the live action has just been cast. People have been, like, obsessed fan fiction casting, like, for years. Who's going to be—what's his name? The guy, and who's going to be—and so then they gave it to Milo Manheim. People are obsessed with him. He's also connected to Dancing with the Stars.
Right.
So, like, they knew what they were doing, giving him—because Fibula, like, is the Gen Z. His TikToks are so viral. Like, he's doing everything right, both on the dance floor and off the dance floor. And not to keep bringing it back to Tatiana doing Aida, but, like, do you know what I mean? Like, it was—it was perfection.
Did you mean, like, Tangled? And I don't know this song. I actually didn't.
I don't know the song either.
So I thought it was, like, beautiful, and I loved Riley's hair, and I loved the dancing, and they're obviously very much in love.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but the song and the dance actually didn't do that much for me. It was the two of them.
Yeah, I don't know the song.
I would say it was on par with Aida, because I thought that was a beautiful song, and they danced beautifully, and that's how I felt about this.
Yeah, Tatiana, like, made the most of what she was given. But I think people—and not me, but, like, the corner that really Fibula represents, which is this, like, youth movement. Riley too. She's literally 21. TikTok. They are obsessed with Tangled. So it was, like, it was definitely a layup, and he crushed it.
Yeah.
I loved her outfit.
Yes, me as well.
Obviously, like, they're in love.
And then you saw Milo Manheim brought a Cavalier on the screen in the FaceTime.
You know what I was seeing? He was on the screen for two seconds. I'm like, is that a Beagle or a Cavalier? I could not tell. And then the dog disappeared.
In that moment, you can't see, but I choose to see a Cavalier.
I also thought—I also thought, just mind you. Like, we had this—like, you're definitely—yeah.
So that was, like, cute for Cavalier representation.
1,000%.
Then we had the team dances. As we said, the two in the bottom, Tatiana and Connor got to pick their teams. We had team—this is going to be hard for me to say.
I just sound it out. Breathe through it.
Team Slaytopia. Team Slaytopia, because they danced to Zootopia, and they were slayed.
And they slayed. And that's what I mean when I say, like, the teams were just uneven. Like, even in their names, like, they obviously just went for, like, really cheugy, like, girl power. They looked like the Cheetah Girls in those outfits. Like, it was awful. It was corny. It was not highbrow at all. Even the costumes. Like, the HSM concerts—costumes were sick. Like, the Dancing with the Stars of Our City jackets. Like, it was just—honestly, they looked like they went to Party City on Tatiana's team. Like.
But they all wore the pants, which, like, the pants are great because everything looks good, but we—then we know, like, it's a handicap a little bit.
Yeah, and I just want to say, I love Alfonso, but, like, getting Julianne and Alfonso are not the same. Alfonso is not a pro. He's just a really, really good common dancer. Like, so I love Alfonso. I think he brings, like, actually a lot of personality that maybe Julianne doesn't.
But I do feel like, yes.
It's not the same.
Julianne sounds like.
They should have gotten two, um, like, eliminated pros, you know, or, like.
Perhaps. No, but the thing is, Alfonso won team dance last year. Like, it is possible. And I think with Alfonso, it's almost like that, you know.
Brotherly.
That—no, and it's, like, fun, and you can have—make it funny, and, like, really working with Julianne, it's, like, obviously going to be so good. So the bar is almost higher. I'm just saying, not that you're wrong, but it doesn't—it's not always so obvious. Like, oh, if you got Alfonso.
It was pretty obvious last night. Better song, better team.
And they weren't.
Better dancers.
As Alfonso said. Alfonso was being funny last night. I don't know. Like, he just decided.
He.
He loosened his tie a little bit.
No, he, like, he saw everyone else having fun, and he was like, you know what? Me too.
Because he told the judges they're not—they're not judging Julianne and Alfonso.
Of course. And he repeated the Tinker Helle joke, which he obviously thought was funny. I thought she might get in trouble for saying Helle. Like, I don't know what the rules are.
Maybe. This is a family-friendly.
It is. It is.
Um, I think it's okay.
I think it's okay too. Yeah, I definitely felt him also, like, maybe it's because he knew he was going to dance, and he was, like, excited, and he just, like, was one of the contestants. He definitely had, like, a more relaxed energy.
Then the Wildcats went. That was Connor, Ezra, Harry.
Jen and Dwan.
Jen and Dwan.
Like, what are we talking about? It's so stacked. From the beginning of the journey for the team dances, like, between, like, every time—choosing teams, choosing a song, choosing a team name, choosing an outfit—they just chose wrong.
I know, but I just feel like maybe you don't like Tatiana's choices, but those are her choices. And perhaps.
And by the way, now she—she has to live with those choices.
Even, like, Aida or the songs that she has chosen.
I don't think she chose Aida. I really don't.
We need clarity.
Yes, I actually would love to know the process, because Jackson Olsen keeps making these TikToks that, like, he was going to be dancing to The Greatest Showman. I guess, like, he fancies himself, like, a PT Barnum of his generation.
No, he's very inspired by Greatest Showman. He said that's what set him on a course of dancing. That movie specifically.
Beautiful.
I feel similarly about the movie.
So he made, like, all these TikToks about how he was going to dance, and then he found out they were including PT Barnum in the, like, intro, and he was like, when you find out. Like, he's honestly, like, really centering himself. It's being really annoying. Um, so I can see, like, him having wanted to dance to that, but also them wanting him to have danced to that. Like, a perfect marriage.
Well, maybe Jackson can answer this question. Did the talent get to choose the show they got to dance to? Did Tatiana have any say?
Yeah, I would—I would really love to know.
And in the last few weeks, I know you didn't like her dance for, um, Super Bowl—her song for Super Bowl night.
Yeah, I didn't.
Did she choose that? I think you might just not like Tatiana's choices. And that's.
Well, it's a team dance. It's an indicator.
Yeah, the team she picked. She got to pick all—she got first pick too.
I would love to know who picked the outfits.
She got first pick.
I would love to know who picked the outfits.
I'm just saying.
Like, Jen and Dwan being chosen last, like, my heart legit broke.
Because she's the best dancer.
I thought like I was in middle school.
Because she's the best dancer.
Yeah. Well, because she's obviously the best dancer.
And so now that we are where we are, who do you think is Final Four, and who do you think's going to win? As your prediction as of today can keep changing.
Ezra. Harry. I think they have to include Jenna, and also I think Maura really doesn't qualify for the Top 40 anymore, so, like, making it even more obvious that it would be Jenna. And Amber. Which is just kind of boring. Like.
It is boring.
Just, like, the four people who we knew were better dancers than everyone.
The whole time.
Except for Ezra. And that's why Ezra winning is, like, the only way that we right the wrongs of this season, because—sorry, Harry Shum Jr., you can't win.
No, Harry can't win. Jenna can win a little bit, and I think.
She doesn't have a lot of fans. People don't like her.
More so because she's a woman, you know?
Oh.
Like, I just feel like.
Elaborate on that.
I don't know. I just feel like Harry can't win. Right?
Fine. I'm fine with that.
But I just feel like for Jenna, like, she actually has overcome a little bit more. Yes, she danced in her 20s in Step Up, but, like, she's had children. She's a woman of a certain age. Like.
No, no. When you're on too, you think you can dance. Like.
I know.
I know she hosted it, but, like, you're in the dance world.
Yeah, but you—no, no, she's in the dance world for sure, but it's not, like, you know, for men, like, they just get to be, like, physically fit their whole life.
Yeah.
Like, never have their body change.
No challenges.
Like, I don't know how many kids she has, but she's gone up and down, and she—I feel like she, you know, I'm more impressed by her ability to dance so well at this age.
She hasn't really, like, changed a lot of hearts and minds besides yours. Like, I—I don't think she has, like, a ton of votes every week. I think it's really her judges' scores that carry her through from week to week. So I think that will stop her from getting the mirror ball. I think, like, Ezra sort of being this, like, unknown to a lot of people, overcoming these enormous challenges. Like, he's obviously the winner. He just needs to keep doing what he's doing.
Yeah, I like that. And then I think for Amber, if she does have to go and train, that we could swap her out for Fibula. I think that would be exciting for people.
I also think it would be a real underdog story. Like, I think of all the people, like, that we're discussing, Fibula is the only person with zero—actually, no, sorry, Ezra—with zero dance experience. Like, and to see somebody who, like, actually kind of late in the game, like, finally figure it out, it's very inspiring.
Yeah.
And people love him, and he represents, like, a huge audience of, like, young Gen Z.
So I think putting him in Final Four, like, might be interesting, especially if Amber can't attend.
That would be crazy if Fibula made the Final Four. Like.
Yeah. Especially because, like, first week.
He was on the chopping block for the first 10 weeks.
No, and it's, like, first week it was, like, Connor and Connor. Which one will go home? Nobody cares.
And it was, like, Connor or Sarah Jane. Like.
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The CFDA Awards were last night, and Fashion's Night Out.
It was a big night for, like, the it girls. I feel like—I feel like it really cemented, like, who's an it girl right now, you know? Because it wasn't, like, this free-for-all where everyone was invited. Also, a headline for me, like, Alex Rawe being styled by Luxury Law.
Yeah, I saw that as well. Also, a headline for me, it felt like a nice change of pace after Halloween, where everyone, like, got down to their skivvies.
And, like, dressed like horse. I literally texted you. I said, why is everyone dressed so modest? I loved it.
Oh, yeah, and then I was like, you didn't tell me they were horses on Halloween. But yeah, no, there was, like—and Halloween is that sort of energy.
Yeah.
And then it just felt like.
Totally opposite.
Total opposite, which was, like, a nice change of pace. Like, see everyone with their clothes on, like, looking lovely.
Literally except Olandria. She was the only person I saw.
Except for Olandria.
Who didn't wear pants.
Who didn't wear pants. She didn't get the memo.
That it was modest night.
We're putting our pants on. We're wearing hems to the ground.
It's snee.
And we're covering our bubs. Even Brooks Nader put clothes on.
Yes.
Yeah, and that's hard.
Her head as well.
That's hard for Brooksie.
I don't really know, like, what the event is or what goes on inside. To be honest, I don't really care.
So I think it's really, like, you know, the Oscars of Fashion. Like, awards for fashion. That makes sense. So we had American Women's Wear Designer of the Year went to Rachel Scott for DMTEMA.
That's crazy. I've never heard of either of those things.
But other—the other people, everyone else you've heard of, uh, Katherine Holstein for Kate, Michael Kors, Tori Burch in Westward.
Those are the nominees.
Yeah, Westward for Carolina Herrera, but Rachel won for.
Let's celebrate the American fashion.
DMTEMA, American Men's Wear Designer of the Year went to Ralph Lauren.
Classic stuff.
It was definitely Ralph's year.
It's honestly been Ralph's year for, like, the last five years.
I know, but, like, this year, everything is, like, Ralph Lauren core.
Yeah.
Like, everyone wants something Ralph.
Very inspired by, like, the aesthetic he totally created.
Yes. Um, American Accessory Designer of the Year went to Anna Corey.
For?
I guess that's her—the name of her accessories brand. Uh, Google American Emerging Designer of the Year went to Colleen Allen.
Okay.
The International Designer of the Year was Anthony Vacciarello for Saint Laurent.
All right. I've heard of it.
Uh.
I'm less interested in the awards, like, more so.
Like Fashion Icon of the Year, Peter Marino.
I love his work.
Positive Change Award.
Goes to Jaguars, right?
Close, but Tori Burch.
Oh, she's a queen. And you know what? The—the, uh, rise and fall of the Tori Burch brand could actually be studied. The way she's, like, so back.
Yeah, she's back.
100% back. She, like, really leaned on, like, influencer culture, TikTok. She—and her shit's really cute.
Mm-hmm.
And after those flats, I thought we were never coming back.
Well, those flats, it's hard to, you know, second the flats. Like, those flats are, like, a lightning strike.
Yeah.
Lightning doesn't strike twice.
It's true. And then, like, the tumultuous divorce.
Yeah.
See, wonder. Who could forget? The Spice Store, the original—do you think that Larry David's Curb episode about Spice Store is—it's literally about Sea Wonder.
There's a lot of things it's about.
What else?
Something, like, closer to home I was thinking, but.
You're opening a Spice Store?
No, I wouldn't.
But what are you referring to?
Like, I'll tell you offline, but it wouldn't—and nobody would care because they don't.
Whisper it. Did you hear that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a spite.
1000%.
Yeah.
I hope to open up a Spice Store one day.
Really?
Yes. I could see it being something, like, I actually relate—I like that episode of Curb because I can relate to the fact of being, like, so offended, pissed off by something so minute that, like, you literally will, like, go into debt, open up a dumbass store, and then.
Then we do it.
That episode is so funny when it's like.
Then we do it.
She goes to the jewelry store. It's like Mila Kunis's Spice Store. Like, funny stuff. Seriously funny stuff.
Ben has a Spice Store in his future.
Yeah. 1000%.
Um, and other awards that, you know, I think are very highbrow and, you know.
Let's talk about the notable attendees.
Yes.
Not only Alex Earl, but Ashton as well.
Yes, Ashton also just signed with a modeling agency, so she has decided to model despite Thomas and Mai's advice.
100%. Um, who else was there?
Um, I'll tell you.
It seemed like Alex and, and Ashton were, like, really only one of very few from the interwebs.
Julia Fox was there.
Okay, she's classic.
I like her outfit.
Mm-hmm.
Zoe Kravitz, of course.
Of course.
Gracey Abrams and Colleen Allen, the Emerging Designer of the Year.
Oh, yeah, it was very much like the Met Gala, where, like, these random groups of celebrities were all together, and it was because they were all dressed by the same designer. Like, I'm sure you saw Zoe Kravitz, Hailey Bieber, and, like, the gold Luke. I forget who the designer was, but.
Yes, Brooks Nader.
Mm-hmm.
Looking beautiful.
She looks great.
Uh, Jessie Murph.
Oh, she's like a singer.
I've seen her on the internet.
Mm-hmm.
I didn't know she was so fashion.
I actually saw her perform live.
Lola Tong, Belly.
Uh, Belly. Belly is very high fashion.
Yeah. She should be.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, Elle Fanning, of course.
I just love her. Are you following at all the Hunger Games? Like, movie premiere? They've done a, like, a world tour. They've done like.
There's a new Hunger Games movie?
Yes, yes.
What is it?
Hunger Games movie. I don't know.
Prequel?
I think it's, yeah, it's like a whole new slate. I don't know if literally anyone except maybe Elizabeth Banks. Actually, no. I think it's a prequel, and Elle Fanning plays Effie, a young Elizabeth Banks.
That's beautiful.
McKenna Grace. Do you know her? She's from Young Sheldon.
It sounds familiar.
She's like the really smart girl who Sheldon's always beefing with.
I'm cracking up.
Um, she's like a former child actress. She looks so much like the actress who played, um, Don Draper's daughter, Sally Draper.
Kiernan?
She looks just like Kiernan when she was a kid, but now she's grown and, um, she's like the new Jennifer Lawrence. There's like—it's like a whole new cast of young talent. And the, uh, world tour has been, like, this huge thing. Everyone, like, is fighting for Lukes and Lukes. Elle Fanning's been looking amazing. Did you see her dressed as, like, a ballerina in, like, a jewelry box?
No, all this has missed me.
Oh, it's actually been really fabulous to watch.
It's not happening for the reels, Mamas.
Oh, soon. Give it—give it some time.
Um, no, it's okay. I'll stick with my reels, you know? My Algo. Then we have Sarah J Nader got the invite.
You're kidding.
Mm-hmm.
Let me tell you which one.
She's with a designer named Brett Hyman.
Wow. That's a tough last name.
Yeah. Hyman. There's a H.
Hopefully.
There's an E in there. Uh, Lea Michelle.
Olandria.
Rosé.
Rosé. Suki Waterhouse.
Suki Waterhouse.
Okay. Fashion's Night Out.
Olandria, yeah. The look is an.
It's a mess, honestly.
It's inappropriate. It's just not.
On par with what everyone else is wearing. Maybe she just didn't know.
It's just, yeah, it's possible.
Like, this is new. It's obviously like a big exciting night for her, and, like, she didn't know.
Um, but it would be, like, better elsewhere.
Yeah, when in town.
The DMAs.
Yeah, when in town. Like, I would always rather be, like, over.
Dressed.
You know, over formal for an event like this.
Yes. I agree. And in general, I would say I hate feeling underdressed.
Slob.
I'm not.
Not that she's underdressed, actually.
No, no, no. No, I'm just having a separate conversation now.
Yeah.
Like, if I—but choosing between being overdressed or underdressed, I would always like to be overdressed. That's just my personality.
Same. Except being overdressed is not all it's cracked up to be, because I do feel like you feel like, like you took this so seriously. Like, kind of like a dope.
Yes, but the feeling.
But the.
Of being overdressed and experiencing that, I prefer that feeling over the feeling of being underdressed and experiencing that.
Slob, slovenly.
Yeah, I just feel like.
Slob.
Oh, I shouldn't even go to this restaurant.
1000%.
You actually can't go.
Yeah.
Because Mommy's not dressed properly.
You know, I literally cannot step foot in the door.
Yeah.
100%.
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Now, of course.
They already do this. Modern documentaries have not been kind to Justin Timberlake. His DUI also didn't help. Like, there has been, like, a very sort of catastrophic ending to Justin Timberlake's career in the last couple of years. So I understand him wanting to tell his side of the story. And I'm sure, like, if we heard his side of the story when it comes to Britney, like, sure, there's two sides to every story. And yeah, I guess people do want to get down to the bottom of, like, did he rip her shirt off or, like, did she, you know what I mean? The fact that.
Was it planned?
The fact that they're doing it together makes it seem like it really was an accident. Um, and that's, like, the story they're both telling, you know? He doesn't want to be known as ripping off someone's shirt. She doesn't want to be known as showing her tits on national television. Like, that's their story and they're sticking to it. I just don't care. And I feel like I've actually, like, I'm one of his biggest haters, but I'm kind of, like, overhating him.
Yeah.
He's so not, like, interesting enough for me to even hate. And honestly, when I saw the video of him, um, like, the world tour, like, it was funny and, like, whatever.
Yeah.
Like, I'm just kind of over it.
Just move down. But I do feel like when you're a celebrity who's fallen out of favor and you're having, like, bad publicity, there's two things you can do. You can do a docuseries or you can do a roast.
Or you can do a book.
And I think in this situation, a roast is exactly what he needs.
Couldn't agree more.
Because all of these things are so unserious, except for the DUI, which I do feel like people have moved on from. We've seen the video, and all celebrities have DUIs.
Plus the handholding in New Orleans.
There's the handholding. But a, a little unserio handholding isn't so serious. Like, and his wife has forgiven him. So all of these things are things that could be poked at by comedians and just make him seem human. And I think that would be the better strategy for him.
It's an amazing call.
Tom Brady needed a docuseries, not a roast.
So it's true. Sometimes people just get their buttons confused. Like, should I press the button for documentary? Should I press the button for.
Yeah.
Justin Timberlake.
Or, like, in my documentary, I mean, telling your own story. So it can be a documentary, it could be a memoir.
Sit down.
It could be a sit-down interview, a podcast, whatever.
Yeah.
Um, or.
Totally.
Are we going to make fun of it? Are we going to do serious? Are we going to do funny?
And I think it depends on what your crimes are.
Yes.
And yes, I agree that Justin Timberlake, aside from the DUI, but, like, that's unfortunately just, like, fodder for every celebrity. His crimes are relatively, like, unserious.
Mm-hmm.
Except for the, you know, him almost killing someone, um, driving drunk. But yes, I think people would have loved that. It's a way to get in on the joke. And I feel that.
Because he right now is just so unlikable. And I think a roast makes you more likable.
I also think, like, roast culture has changed. Like, it used to be this thing on Comedy Central.
Oh, they're disgusting.
Yeah, they're, like, disgusting. Now they're on streamers. So, like, there's really nothing off-limits. Um.
And it's like your wife can't be doing the next Seventh Heaven.
Yeah.
And you're, you're having disgusting roasts.
I wish that they were what they were when, like, Justin Timberlake, really effec no, excuse me, Justin Bieber, really effectively used it to rehabilitate his image. Um, same with Alec Baldwin. I think that was a really successful roast. Now they're just, like, I don't know. They don't follow the same formula. It's like, it could be as long as you want it to be because it's on a streamer. Before it was, like, this 90-minute thing on Comedy Central, and it was, like, great. Yes, he should do a roast. I just wish roasts were, like, not.
What they used to be. I mean, and they.
They're really nasty now.
Yeah, they could be, though. There could be, like, parameters.
No, I feel like there are parameters. And that was, like, remember Tom Brady was, like, they were told you can't say stuff about the wife. But everybody did.
Yeah.
Like, people don't give a fuck.
No, but also in terms of, uh, of the, um.
What they air.
No, just the kind of what the inappropriateness.
Yeah, like the level.
You know, the, the disgusting jokes. Like, if it were PG-13 or even, you know, not I think with a roast, everything is on the table.
Yeah.
And that's why if it's not for you, don't do a roast.
Don't do it.
And if your biggest thing that everyone's talking about is your divorce and how you chose football over your divorce, and then you say you can't talk about it, well, then we don't have a roast.
You're not a good candidate for a roast.
So that's why I think for so many reasons, Tom and Tom Brady, before the roast was likable, he didn't have a likability problem.
It's true. And then it's like, well, who the fuck do you think you are? Like, people who, like, will willingly sit down for roasts when you are so well-liked, it's like, okay, well, maybe we shouldn't like you.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're almost, like, baiting us into not liking you.
So I think a docuseries talking about, like, how hard he worked to be a football player, or would have understood ultimately.
You could understand why you didn't give up the decision of never giving it up.
Yeah. And he is the greatest of all time. He has six Super Bowl rings.
Yeah.
Like, that doesn't just happen. Whatever he did in his life to achieve that is a story worth telling. I don't think making fun of yourself is the right move.
100% agreed. I think it was net-net really bad for him. And I could see a world in which if Justin Timberlake had done one properly, like, it really very similar to Justin Bieber, like, or Martha Stewart did one too. Like, it can really change people's opinions of you.
Yeah, and you just seem like you're able to take a joke.
Mm-hmm.
And we could all just move.
No, but now we have to watch your four-part series.
So serious.
I'm not watching this.
No, of course not.
Don't ask me for a recap. Like.
Of course we're not watching it. And the.
You guys know I haven't I had to cancel my Apple TV because, like, the Super Bowl.
The Super Bowl thing, like, if I think about the Super Bowl thing enough, yeah, it's crazy. Crazy that that happened.
Mm-hmm.
Um.
But I've moved on.
I've moved on. I, I don't even know that we'll ever get the truth. Is there a tr a real truth? Like, was it planned? I don't think so because that would be so inappropriate. Kids watch a Super Bowl. Like, that would be disgusting.
Agreed.
So it was an accident.
And then it's a tragedy. Let's stop talking about it.
And also, people say, like, Justin, like, knew what he was doing. But, like, you don't expect if you pull at someone's if you pull my shirt, my nipples are not going to show.
Yeah, but why was he pulling at her shirt?
Why did she just have, like, a nipple pocket? Why did she have a piece of fabric that Justin.
Honestly, we might have to watch the documentary to find out.
I only wanted to I think someone actually did a documentary on Justin.
Just that. And I think he thinks that, like, because so much of his badwill has been fostered from these documentaries, he's like, well, I'll have my own documentary. And it's like, no.
No, no, no.
You misunderstood.
You didn't have to do all that.
No, just give us Seventh Heaven the reboot, okay? And we'll forgive you.
Yeah. He could be in Seventh Heaven the reboot.
Yeah, he could, like, lead the church choir.
Yeah, playing very similar character to his character in Bad Teacher.
You know, I, like, don't know Bad Teacher.
That's why you're.
And yeah, we also forget, now that we're, like, taking a look at Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake, at a glance, like, his acting career. Friends with Benefits, like, one of the best movies of all time. He actually is an amazing actor. He was in, uh, Social Network, right? He played that asshole.
He also should do a roast, and then he should go be a judge on The Voice or something like that.
The Voice or shows of that nature is an amazing place to, like, quietly.
Partly.
Live and just, like, wait for some of the negative feedback from the public to wash over. It comes and goes.
He could go on American Idol, but it's a good place for a seasoned artist like himself to just.
That's true.
Park it and earn some goodwill.
Amazing call.
But nobody's asking me how should Justin Timberlake rehabilitate his career.
Therein lies the issue.
Mm-hmm.
My sister.
Mm-hmm. Are you ready for our next story?
Mm-hmm.
Ethan and Heala Kline are divorcing after.
She hired Laura Wasser.
She hired Laura Wasser.
I was shook.
She hired.
If you guys don't know, like, Laura Wasser.
She fired for divorce.
What's the equivalent? Like, if you like, hiring Laura it's kind of like hiring Johnny Cochran if you're on Trial for Murder.
Was he the.
I don't know.
Murder?
Or Robert Shapiro?
He was the murder?
She has divorced everyone. Like, who's anyone? Honestly, how much money was their podcast making? Well, also, she is suing him for to cover her legal fees.
Yeah.
I guess, yeah. Like, I'm only getting divorced because you cheated on me. Why do I have to pay for this?
I feel like that's not so crazy. So she's asking for joint custody of their three kids and spousal support, and she's asking for Ethan to pay her legal fees and for her maiden name to be restored. Those all seem like.
Really very reasonable requests.
Reasonable things.
Honestly, the fact that she's not going for joint, uh, sole custody, like, she probably wouldn't get it because, like, nobody gets sole custody these days. But, like, it's very nice of her.
Yeah, she claimed that he was having an affair for months and that after he initially downplayed what happened, he owned up to the cheating about her alleged discovery. She said, "I'm living in a nightmare I can't wake up from. The blowback has been swift. The crew said they refused to work with him while sticking up for Heala. He posted one final comment. I'm working with Heala to urgently remove my ownership and financial stakes in any podcasts, Teddy Fresh, Teddy Glow, or any joint venture that I would profit from. All your support will go directly to Heala and the crew. I do this in the hope that people can still support Heala and the crew without this concern of enriching me.
I know the crew will make an awesome show. They are packed to the brim with the most talented, creative, hilarious, and all-around great people."
I don't know about that, but I have now been subjected to, like, you know, of course, in hindsight, there are people I don't know how often they do a show, but it was him and his wife hosting this show. And the girl he ended up having an affair with was, like, some intern who had a microphone and slowly became.
How many microphones did they have on the show?
They have a couple. You know, the producer has one.
ViaVox.
It's not just the two of them. Yeah, right. There's, like, people all around.
Yeah.
And there's some streams with Heala, without.
Yeah, okay. Like ViaVox.
And this girl, this sort of, like, nerdy-looking girl joined a while ago and, like, slowly incorporated herself into the fabric of the show. And so now, you know, in hindsight, people are finding clips. Nobody thought anything at the time. I guess the idea that he would cheat on his wife with this, like, literal random intern is, like, so preposterous. So now people are going back. And I've seen a lot of the clips of just, like, they talk about weird things. They're, like, like, inappropriate things. So, like, it's all weird.
Yeah, and it's like you could find a clip of him talking to a different microphone and.
Yes.
In the context of an affair, that's weird too.
Yes. But no, there's a lot of evidence.
Show.
No, I'll have to start sending them to you. They're, like, these long clips. And I find myself watching them. I am really compelled by this, like.
Show is good?
Sort of. No, no, by the dynamics of this, like, genuine freak show. Like, everyone is weird. Like, it's just and Heala is, like, she at least just from what I've seen from the clips, she's almost, like, slowly being, like, written out of the show. Like, she's never on camera.
Mm-hmm.
Like, she's there and no one listens to her. And it's just, like, him going back and forth with this, like, curly-haired intern. It is so weird, this saga. Like, I understand if you're really invested in this family and this podcast.
I'm fighting it.
Why this is, like, insane. Like, because I barely know the players. I'm like, oh, you're all fucking weird. Like, it's very strange.
And I guess I saw that he dressed up for Halloween, like, one year, and he was cat in the hat, and Heala was thing one and the intern was thing two.
Okay, that's insane.
Yeah.
No, these people are just fucking weird. Like, of course, we can talk about the ethics of having an affair, whatever. But, like, baseline, these are just, like, nerds who got like, deeply uncool people who are famous.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and that's always interesting to watch. It really is.
I feel like that happens on the internet a lot. That's sort of the point of the internet.
It happens a lot with celebrities too. Like, because you think about it, they're just, like, theater kids.
Yeah.
Who aren't, like, inherently cool. And then you, like, hear them in an interview and you're like, you guys are weird. Like, Amanda Seyfried, she's weird.
Yeah.
Like, well, yeah, she's weird.
Yeah.
So, um, the Laura Wasser of this all really threw me. I I guess I maybe didn't know how successful the podcast was. You do have to be, like, a, a woman of a certain stature to get a meeting with Laura Wasser.
Well, I do feel like the podcast is successful.
Yeah.
And they do.
But it's not like she's at Wasser and Cooper & Cooper.
They're, like, in a like, an H3 world over there where it's, like.
They have multiple shows, networks, yes.
Yeah, and I could imagine if you're in it, like, it's very profitable. And if you if you don't listen to it, you've never heard of it, you know?
Yeah, everyone is really, um, interested in what Tricia Paytas has to say. Do you know how they're all connected?
Tricia? Oh, yeah, brother-in-law.
Right. Um, the.
She's married to Heala's brother.
Yes, the they don't speak. None of them. The breakup of the podcast was the breakup of their family. Like, they do not speak. Um, Tricia did then she's doing press right now. I think she wrote a book or something, so she went on Jay Shetty. So she did say on her podcast, like, I said all of this stuff about Heala and Ethan before I knew. So, like, you're watching all these interviews thinking that it's, like, current.
A prophecy.
She doesn't know, but she does talk about, like, how awful they were to her. Like, so she doesn't feel bad. She still hates him. Her husband, who's, like, this is her sister, did, I think, like, a little piece on their podcast about it too. Um, she does not fuck with them. And, like, she doesn't feel bad. Like, she's not sending her sympathies. Like, she seriously hates these people.
Crazy.
It's a really tangled web they weave over there.
Mm-hmm.
Laura Wasser.
Our fifth and final story, some holiday news to get into the spirit. Olivia Rodrigo will be releasing her first holiday song, Take Me Home, parentheses, for Christmas.
Okay.
With a music video starring Cynthia Nixon and SNL's.
Ben Marshall.
Ben Marshall.
Yeah.
Who's that?
You love him, Jackie. He's part of the trio. He's the red-headed one.
He's part of the dry guys?
Yeah.
Burn After Eating?
Burn this project. What's who we're going to cut.
Do not disturb.
No.
Burn. Do do not open.
It's a mix of everything we're saying. Hold on. Don't.
Destroy this. Destroy.
Must destroy this.
Burn and destroy.
It was a little comedy troupe. What are they called? Um.
Burn After Eating.
No, no, that's not it.
Must destroy.
Must destroy this, right? I think that's what it is. Um.
What is it?
He's, like, a comedy. Please don't destroy. Fuck.
I think we said that.
You didn't. Um.
Please don't destroy.
It's so polite. It didn't even occur to us. So I love the idea. Like, to me, not enough celebrities can release music.
Mm-hmm.
About the holidays. They're all so good. When you hear it the first time, it's like, whatever. But they all very slowly become, like, incorporated into Christmas culture. Of course, Christmas Tree Farm, Ariana Grande, like, everything she's ever done, Christmas cover, new.
Kelly.
Kelly is all I ever wanted. That's an original, right?
Yes. I want to say I think Kelly's number one for me of Christmas. I know, like, Mariah Carey because All I Want For Christmas. And she has, like, three great Christmas songs.
Who does?
Oh, Santa. Mariah Carey.
She has three?
Yeah, she does.
She has one.
No, no, she also has a rendition of Oh, Santa. That's amazing.
A cover?
Yes.
I'm talking about originals.
Oh.
All I Want For Christmas is originals.
Kelly also has also covers that are amazing.
Yeah, of course. But Kelly has multiple.
But I think all in all, like, my favorite Christmas artist is Kelly Clarkson, period.
You're absolutely.
Wrapped in red.
And I'm actually really looking forward to seeing what she does this season now that she's not bound by the constraints of her daytime talk show.
Yeah. I don't know what she'll but she has two amazing Christmas albums that, like, we have to have and to hold.
And her she's the one who wrote the one that she sings with Ariana Grande, Whoa.
Oh, that one's amazing.
Whoa.
That's the best. It's just, like, two people being insane.
Insane. Every year, like, around this time, it comes up, like, constantly in my algorithm. I will never not stop and watch the whole thing. It is a masterclass in artistry, in vocalism, in queeniness. It's the best thing I've ever seen in my whole life. That was a Christmas special that Kelly taped or Ariana taped?
Maybe Kelly. I feel like she's a Christmas special kind of gal.
I hope she hasn't severed ties with the network, you know, because when she was the NBC darling, she was also hosting the Rockefeller Christmas tree lighting ceremony. She performed multiple times. Um, I hope that her contract is still, uh, valid.
Yeah, she's sort of she's the Christmas queen, actually.
Yeah.
And her album's called When Christmas Comes Around. That's the second one, which is also a sleigh.
And to be honest, like, everybody's saying Mariah Carey is the queen of Christmas. Like, we don't really talk about how she's actually not. Kelly Clarkson is.
Yeah. And she's so bashful about it, but I'll say it.
Yeah.
On her behalf.
Yeah, I'm sure you saw, like, Mariah Carey did this huge campaign with Gucci. Like, it's time. And it's just, like, she's the queen of Christmas. And it's like, yeah, girl, get your bag. And you do have, like, an amazing, amazing song.
And that song is the number one Christmas song of all time.
It's the record-setting. Yeah.
But for the pop girlies, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9, and 10 are Kelly Clarkson.
It's true.
So who's the queen of Christmas?
Sound out for the comments.
Well, Olivia Rodrigo's coming for the crown. She has a holiday song coming out soon. It will be called Take Me Home for Christmas.
Cute. Like, I really love I can't have enough. I think that this space is honestly undersaturated.
Mm-hmm.
And I want more.
Mm-hmm. I agree.
Taylor's is so good.
Oh, so good.
It's so good. And when she released it, I remember thinking, like, this is so random, but it has completely ingrained itself in the fabric of American Christmas.
Mm-hmm.
Like, it's so cute.
Mm-hmm.
Ugh, I think it's time, like, to start listening to Christmas music in the house as well.
I think so too. Maybe I'll, like, put I'll, like, you know, exert a little willpower for a few days so when I do listen, like, I'm so ready.
Yeah.
And maybe, like, my birthday will be the.
I think that's like the.
Gently chapter.
Yeah.
Right? Because I do need to, like, come down from Halloween. People still have their decorations up.
Mm-hmm.
Like, you guys get it together.
Yeah.
I don't want to see your old skeletons on me.
Not on my birthday.
No, I don't like, you need to take down your Halloween.
You have until my birthday.
To take down your Halloween decorations.
It's one whole week, October 31st to November 6th. That's one.
I think that's so fair, especially with Halloween being on a Saturday this year. Like, it was a hungover Sunday. Yesterday, it rained all day. It's gloomy today. You have by EOW.
Yeah.
That's all else.
And I'm not such, like, a decoration Nazii when it comes to Christmas. Like, honestly, leave them up.
Leave them up forever. Until daylight savings, honestly.
Yeah.
As long as it's.
It's a winter thing.
It's a winter.
It's not a Christmas thing.
It's a winter thing. As long as it's dark out early, I do need your Christmas lights.
Now, if your Halloween decor is more, like, autumnal and fall, I will allow it through Thanksgiving.
I agree, and I will be leaving out my pumpkin mat still then.
Yes, if you have, like, cutesy leaves and pumpkins and just, like.
Autumnal.
Even, like, scarecrows. Scarecrow's a little Halloween. I'll allow it. But, like, spooky, scary skeletons send shivers down your spine, October 31st.
Spiderwebs gone.
Spiderwebs gone. Black cats, things of that nature, gone. Ghosts, ghouls, goblins, gone.
Graveyards.
Uh, gone.
Gone. Yeah, I'm over it.
I'm over it. And I'm sat the fuck down for Christmas. I need to go. I feel like there are these, like, neighborhoods.
Yeah.
Like, they're always on, like, the local news that, like.
Yeah.
Go I need to go.
Yeah.
Like, I fucking love.
Like, that movie.
What?
Danny DeVito.
Did you see Danny DeVito? Like, why didn't nobody tell me this was happening? Royal Albert Hall held, like, a Symphony of the Matilda soundtrack, and Danny DeVito was sat in his costume the entire time reading the, um, like, narration of the film.
Right.
And then at the end, like, the cast comes out. Like, I didn't really care about that because I honestly don't know these people. But, like, I'm hearing the soundtrack. Is it Hans Zimmer? It's literally the most gorgeous thing. He's there dressed as the dad with his, like, very sort of paternal, even though he's, like, the villain in the movie, beautiful voice. It's like, why didn't nobody tell me about that? Like, that was I literally would have flown to go see it.
Yeah.
It looked amazing.
That should go on tour.
Take it on tour.
Mm-hmm. They've done that for other things, like Game of Thrones. Um.
Yeah, they do it for a lot of Hans Zimmer ones, right?
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
It sounds like a like, an actual gorgeous night at the Symphony. I would love to attend.
Yeah, we should attend.
Take it on the road.
Yeah, there are some cool I've seen some, like, cool things. It's, like, a candles thing with, like have you seen this? It's, like, concerts of, like, movie soundtracks or, like, on Valentine's Day, they'll do, like, love songs.
Mm-hmm.
And it's, like, orchestral concerts, and it's, like, a bunch of candles and stuff.
Parji.
Yeah.
I love a candle. Parji.
Very cool, yeah.
Yeah, sure.
Okay, let's go.
Fuck me up.
Yeah.
Let's go.
We should go to a Christmas one.
Like, sure. Yeah, like, let's fucking go. I'm so sad for Christmas. Like.
Yeah.
It's literally the greatest time of year.
It is. And it's it's here. So even though it's, like, getting dark earlier, bummer.
Yeah.
Major bummer.
It's not even the dark earlier that's really pissing me off. It's the bright earlier. Like, seriously, let me sleep. Let me live. And honestly, this is the first year I really experienced it. You know, me and my sleep schedule for the chil-children. I'm, like, an actual Nazi. It's been hell.
The the change?
The change has been hell.
I actually thought.
I had a strict 7:30 to 7:30 child. 7:30 to 6:20. This morning, we got 6:40. And I'm hoping we're just going to keep extending back to 7:30. Like, any tips? I'm in hell. Sound off in the comments. Like, I need that extra 45 minutes in the morning.
I will say I think daylight savings being the day after Halloween was a sleigh because.
Oh.
It encouraged all of us, like, oh, don't feel bad about keeping your kids out late because they should be going to sleep a little later anyway to cheat the next day.
They worked. But it didn't work.
No, but it's, like, at least nobody felt bad about staying out late because it felt like we had a purpose.
Yeah, but the purpose didn't work. But yes.
But that night, remember we realized.
We were all like, let's go.
We realized we were like, oh, well, they need to sleep an hour later, so we have an extra hour.
Yeah.
And it was just, like it was great for morale, even if it didn't pan out to make it all.
I love the spin like, the beautiful positive spin.
No, because otherwise, you would have been, like, we need to go home now. And instead, like, you and Ben were actually relaxed about it.
Okay, the thing is, I'm a true bedtime sleep Nazi, like, abs and I wear that as a badge of pride. Like, my whole day revolves around my nap, like, 1,000%. But when it comes to, like, special moments at night, I'm all about keeping Fu awake.
Mm-hmm.
Like, seriously, we go to bed at midnight. Like, if when we were planning on going to Disney, but we didn't, I was like, no, I'm taking them to the fireworks. We will get home at 10:00 p.m. That actually, I'm really, like, relaxed about.
That's good.
But yes, otherwise, like, life revolves around the sleep. Sleep revolves around the life.
Mm-hmm.
And I wouldn't have it any other way.
I don't mind it being sunny earlier and the sun coming up because I am trying to wake up earlier.
Yeah.
That's a goal of mine. And I was going to wait till, like, make it my New Year's resolution.
Mm-hmm.
But I was like, what if I just start on Monday?
Oh.
So it's going well so far.
And I feel like, now that we're talking about resolutions, I just want to say I don't have any.
I think that's a good resolution for me is to, like, wake up earlier. I'm trying to, like.
100%.
Do it in increments. Um.
Waking up early, like, is a sleigh.
It's a it's a life hack.
It is.
I could get.
Chrishenner.
I could get dinner in the crock pot.
Chrishenner literally wakes up at 4:00 or 5:00.
I know. I saw that she was saying, like, that that's how she.
She trained herself to do it when she was younger.
Yeah.
And she says, like, it is the hack to her success.
I know. And that's why I feel like my success sort of has a limit because I'm not a morning person.
No.
It's very hard for me to wake up.
My success definitely has a limit. And I feel at this moment in time, like, I am okay with that because I need my extra 45 minutes.
Yeah, plus I don't like doing photo shoots. Another limit.
Yeah.
I'm limited.
Did you see our email that we actually have another photo shoot coming up?
I'm limited. I saw that we have a photo shoot coming up. I don't know what it's for.
Okay. I'll tell you about it later.
You'll tell me later.
And also, just one more thing. I meant to tell you this. I feel like you're like, because you were saying we're obviously, like, having a big celebrity sort of, like, quarter with the Golden Globes and, like, we're so viral.
Oh, like, we're.
And I think you can actually, like, in our line of business, we have to be really comfortable knowing, like, we go through highs and lows.
Yeah.
Like, we've been doing this. You don't, you know, get where we are for 10 years without peaks and valleys. And I think it's always important to understand when you're in a valley and understand when you're in a peak and understand that the moment won't last forever. But sometimes it's hard to measure. You're like, am I in a flop era right now? And I think based on the number of photo shoots you've, like, had recently and have coming up, that's a good marker for, unfortunately, like, where you're at success-wise. Like, right now, we're obviously having a moment.
Yeah, we have.
Yeah, we will have had three photo shoots in Q4.
But I think a lot of unsuccessful people have a lot of photo shoots.
Well, that's true, but not at the level we're having these photo shoots at.
I'm just saying, like, people just, like, have photo shoots.
Yes.
They think if they, like if you build it, they will come.
Yes, but for us, like, people who are anti-photo shoot, like, sometimes we can't get away with not having a photo shoot. So I think if you ever want to know if you're in, like, a flop or a sleigh era.
Oh, so I've been feeling a flop era for the last three years?
Yeah.
I had no clue.
Yeah, well, now you know. The more you know.
Because our last photo shoot was literally three years ago for our new cover art.
Well.
So.
Q4.
I think that's not true.
No, I'm telling you it's true.
Okay.
Like, it's really, like in the business that we're in, it's kind of a marker of success.
That's so crazy. I actually hard disagree because I think of like, I can think of people who are always having some sort of photo shoot.
Well, you are right about the fact that, like, photo shoot culture has gotten out of control. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, like, real, like, things that we have to do.
Yeah, that we have to shoot.
Yeah, like, models have to model, you know?
No, I understand.
Well, that is our show. A nice long one for you and a laughing.
And a laugh.
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