Transcript of Juicy and Sensitive: Wednesday, November 4th, 2026

Good morning, girlies, it's the Toast. It's Jax and Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast-five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the Toast.

They sound amazing.

Welcome back to the Toast, and happy Wednesday—ugh, hump day! Don't forget to tell me someone you love. Speaking of someone I love, it's my sister. My sister in Christ, my sister in life.

Your sister in blue.

Yes, blue wave.

Try not to read into it too much, you guys.

We're so, like, simpatico too, like, both wearing— I just, I happen to have gotten a new sweater. Guess where my sweater's from?

TJ Maxx. I know you just shopped there. You literally just went there.

Rude.

Rails.

Rails! That's right.

It is?

Yeah.

Wait, really?

That's why I asked, like, why would you give a shit where my sweater's from, but it's from Rails.

No, there's a couple places it could be that are near and dear to us. TJ Maxx.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong.

Target.

With someone saying that your sweater looks like it's from TJ Maxx. It's like, not, like—

It's not, it's like, not the nice thing.

They don't know that, like, you know, you could properly hunt a good bargain.

Or it could have been Nudes, like our other favorite brand.

No, it's Rails.

Okay, well, I love it. We are thinking about switching sweaters mid-show.

I'm just looking, like, a little busty in this sweater, but the thing is, the facts of the matter are: I'm an extremely busty woman. I don't know if a sweater is going to change that.

Let's change mid-show if we remember. Like, that would just be a fun, funny thing to do.

Yeah, and like, yours just looks like light and fun.

Yeah, it's like a sweater, but it is pretty thin.

Yeah.

Pretty deceptive. Okay, that'll be fun. Fun, fair.

Something fun for you guys to look forward to in the middle of the show.

I think blue is, like, my new favorite color. Try not to read into it too much.

Blue is your new favorite color.

Yeah, like, everything in my life is sort of blue now. Now, pink will always—

Boy mama.

Boy mama things. It's just, like, the color of our family, I think. Like, this light blue, and so, yeah, blue is my color.

I kind of feel that recently green is my color.

You're not.

Not us trying to appeal to everyone.

You're.

Blue is our color.

No, I'm just— I didn't, like, you guys are reading into it because it's—

Do you feel that green's my color?

No.

Interesting.

I think you look beautiful in green, but if I had to—

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My family color.

You're— oh, okay. Yeah, sage. Of course. When you have one son, your family color is sage.

Yeah, no, but also, not just sage.

It's like a woman who's not ready to accept blue in her life.

When we're in New York, we're more like hunter-deep emerald green.

That I completely agree.

Here, yes, we're very sage. Ruby and Ben both have green eyes. Green. Green is kind of like the fabric of my life.

Is green the color of the independent party?

Do they have a color?

I.

White?

I feel like it's red and— maybe it's purple. It's so purple.

That would make a lot of sense.

It should be red and blue combined, because you're like a little bit of both.

Yeah.

Not you.

Not us. We would never.

We would never, never. Like, we would not never. This is us trying to say nothing. You know what I mean? Because if you say we would never, that's a statement.

And I'm stating nothing. I just want everyone to enjoy the show, no matter where you come from, no matter if you're crying today, if you're celebrating, the Toast is here for you.

The Toast is always here for you. How many election days have we survived now?

That's a great question. Well, regular elections, probably what, eight or nine?

Well, as many years as we've been doing the show, so eight or nine.

Presidential, two and four.

22, 24. Yeah.

Because we weren't in 2016.

Mm-mm. Those are obviously.

And once you've been through two and four on a public platform, I'm not afraid of anything.

You can get through anything. What is six? What is 26? Nothing.

Nothing.

So I hope everyone had a great election day.

Yeah.

I didn't make it chilly because I've been surviving on chili for 48 hours.

We've kind of sort of, like, hit our max with chili.

But I did make a parji loaf, or it's on the way to be made, and it will be for you and your family.

You made bread?

I was actually— it's going to be baked right when I get home. I was thinking about— not, this isn't to, like, slight you in any way, but I think it will be better for both families.

I love when a statement you make comes with, like, a forewarning.

I think it will be better if I cut a loaf in half and give it to you and keep a half for myself, because I don't finish the whole loaf in a timely manner and it gets moldy, and, like, that's sad. So I feel like half loaves are the thing.

I actually have a hot take on sourdough. Now, you make multiple kinds, but, like, the OG shape.

Boulet.

The boulet really doesn't work for me.

I know.

Half of it is unusable.

Mm-hmm.

And if you're making, like, a nice thick slice, pulling a piece for yourself for a snack, you get, like, four slices.

Yeah.

Sounds efficient. Boulet is not good.

No, boulet is impressive, but.

Boulet is beautiful.

Everyday life, I go sandwich.

Jacqueline Boulet.

Jacqueline Boulet. But I'm going sandwich, and I was going to gift you sandwich.

That works for me.

Sandwich.

Sandwich.

The Earl of Sandwich.

Thank you. That really works for me.

Okay, great. I have to just go home and bake it.

Just small. Just bake it.

Mm-hmm. No big deal. The hard work is over. So, like, that was my, like, election day cooking.

I didn't cook much, and it's probably for the best, you know?

Mm-hmm.

I had a home-cooked meal, of course, by my husband. Author of.

Author of.

Oh, I just want to say.

Sorry, he's upside down.

Whoever set up the studio today hates Ben. Noted. I will tell him. Not only was his book removed, Spritz is upside down. She's making a statement, and you know what? I respect it. Let's give it a taste. Ben's debut cookbook comes out in June, but please, feel free to pre-order it. It'll just show up, you'll forget all about it, and then in June you'll be like, "Oh, look at this gift I gave to myself. I'm such a thoughtful person."

Except you never really forget all about it if you order it on Amazon, because it's always going to be top.

At the top of your orders.

Of your orders.

They will not let me forget about Jaylen Brunson's debut novel.

They will not let me forget about Sophia Franklin, and they did not let me forget about Babs. Every Day with Babs, the cookbook.

I still haven't pre-ordered it.

She left a note in to photoshop her arm.

I love that.

That's amazing.

That, like, when I write a cookbook, it will be full of issues like that.

And it's like, I got the first edit, like, first printing, so I have.

You get the.

I have it. It's in mine. Sorry. Sorry, Babs, for bringing that up again.

Yeah, you know, it's like her Roman Empire, and you keep bringing it up.

I know, it was just one of them.

Kind of like Kelly Clarkson and the smacking.

Spanking her kids. It was a spank, not a smack.

And what do you think is worse? A spank or a smack?

Depends on the location.

When I think of smack, I think of, like, when we were kids, like, we would smack each other. Like.

In the face.

Yeah, or, like, arms. We just used the word smack a lot. We were, like, kind of physical young women.

We wouldn't spank each other.

No. Spanking is more of an authoritarian.

Mm-hmm.

We were actually extremely physically violent with one another, like, for girls.

Yes, but not for siblings.

No, but, like, we were, like, beating the hell out of each other. Sorry, Olivia was beating the hell out of us.

Slap. A slap.

Yeah, just slaps.

Yeah, we used to slap each other.

We didn't, like, wrestle, but we were obsessed with slapping.

Yeah.

Never in the face, really.

I feel like only in the face.

Oh my God, no. Like, arms and shoulders.

That's nothing. That's a pat.

Yeah, right.

That's what I do when I laugh.

And that's the other thing, is, like, I think it's very shocking to Ben, because, like, I'm a smacker, you know? When I laugh, yes, I'm like, "Oh, how dare—" like, and he's like, "Ow." You know? But I grew up in a smack house. Like, I used to be smacked out.

I'm such a physical laugher. Like, I'm— and I feel like I always do to you, and you're like, "Ow."

You're a shover.

Oh, yeah.

You're not a smacker. You're a full-blown shover.

Yeah, that feels good.

Yeah, like, that was funny.

It's like, can you believe it, Claude?

I can. Stop touching me.

But don't do me. I'm very tender.

I'm also very tender.

Are you tender? I didn't know that about you.

Oh, you don't?

No.

When I go to a massage, I always have to be, like.

I always have to tell them that I'm tender.

I get— if you, like, dig your thumb into my side a little too hard, I'll feel it for a few days. Like, I am so— and I'm always, like, my skin, like, my skin, like, it's very juicy and sensitive.

Juicy and sensitive.

Yeah.

Whatever.

Yeah, like, if I bang. It's usually in my hips. If I, like, bang my hip on the wall.

Oh, no, I'm sorry. That area that you just pointed to is tender, I think, for all.

Love handles.

Tender for all.

If I, like, bang it into the corner of a table, like, I will die.

No, but that's painful for everybody.

No, but more for me.

Well, everything is more painful for you because.

Because I'm special.

Dramatics.

No, I'm special.

Before.

The word you're using for special.

Because of the dramatic effect.

Because I'm extremely special.

Mm, very special.

That's not safe.

I usually do two and three, but it just prolongs it, and it's like, I just want to get it done.

That's not safe, Koji.

You don't think?

I don't know.

I wasn't alone. Ben was there.

I guess.

I wouldn't do it alone.

I don't like it.

Well, I did it, and I felt so proud of myself, and then it reminded me of the time— do you remember the first time you ever swallowed a pill? Like, is that a core memory or just for me?

No.

So I remember when we were youths, I couldn't swallow pills. It was actually really inconvenient. And, like, at a certain point, like, you're getting to middle and high school, like, you can't be taking liquid Tylenol, you know? So I remember sitting down on a couch and, like, teaching myself how to swallow pills, practicing using M&M's. So here I was.

You're so brave.

I was, like— I was, like, chugging water and M&M's, like, in the living room by myself. And I just remember, like, when I did it for the first time, it was— like, that sense of accomplishment, it doesn't leave you.

Yeah.

It was amazing. And that's how I felt last night. Another core memory. Oh, I wanted to say something else.

Yeah?

So a lot of people, like, sort of inadvertently complimenting me.

On?

My youth.

When?

They were like, "Claudia, you need to stop saying Connor Wood is, like, Gen Z, Gen Z. He's literally 31. I'm 32." So, yeah, we're Gen Z.

How did you put that together?

How did I put what together?

Like, that they're complimenting you on your youth.

Because they said, like, "Claudia, Connor is Gen Z."

I think that, actually, like, if you think that someone millennial is Gen Z, that makes you a boomer.

I actually think, in this conversation, I'm blowing up Connor Wood's spot. People don't realize he's 31.

He's 31.

He's such a baby face. And he is, like, sort of the face of, like, the TikTok dancing with the stars movement, and I think, like, me even having this conversation, like, poses a threat to his standing in the competition.

You think so?

Yeah.

Like, do you think if you look him up, his age— like, when he has his birthday on Instagram, does he say, like, "the big three ones"?

Definitely not.

Oh, really?

It's very inconvenient to him.

It's not funny.

That's why I'm glad I'm not a TikToker. Obviously, like, I wish that I was. I wish I had millions of followers on TikTok. But I would constantly be, like, hiding my age.

1995.

I'm 94. Like, we're so young. I actually think it's for the best that I'm not a successful TikToker, because I would really have a lot— and I make jokes and stuff, but I really— I'm fine with my age. Like, I am. I don't think I would be if I was a TikToker. Like, a big— if TikTok was my platform.

Why? Because.

It's for young kids. Like, it's a young girls' game.

Come to Reels. You'll feel so young.

I am at Reels. Like, I.

You're there, but you're not ten toes down.

Well, I'm not really ten toes down on anything except the podcast. Like, you know?

That's true. That's true.

Everything else is just, like.

Great. You just give, like, a piece of yourself.

Yeah.

But we want the whole self of Turd Self.

Not everyone can have full Turd.

You want the whole Turd.

A lot of people want the whole Turd. You can't have it.

You guys, I got my botox yesterday.

Oh, has it settled? No.

I think so. Like, already, like, I can.

Oh, yeah.

Feel it a little bit of, like, less expression, which is so exciting.

How nice.

Yeah.

We're so happy for you.

Thank you.

We are.

Well, you look great. Like, you have that pregnancy glow.

Oh, please.

And you have all your hair.

That is true.

You know?

That is true.

Like, I have, like, stubs.

Yeah.

So I get at least a clean father.

But, like, at least you can, like, take action on your stubs, you know?

You mean, like, minoxidil and stuff like that?

Like, if you wanted to.

No, no, no, no. It's not that serious for me. I can see. I was doing my hair yesterday. Like, I see, like, the regrowth. Like, it's doing what it does.

Right.

It just takes time, and you just have to be patient.

Right.

But, no, that's, like— I'm not having extreme anything enough to take, like, a prescription medication.

Yeah.

You know me.

Yeah, clean girl.

Trying to keep it low tox.

Clean girl with her Botox.

Except for the Botox.

Low tox plus Botox.

Of course. All the clean mamas do it.

It's true.

Like, I'm not that crunchy, you guys, that I would forego Botox. Are you crazy?

Nobody's that crunchy.

No, Kourtney Kardashian is.

Nobody.

But I'm not.

Yeah, but it's easy to go low tox, no Botox, when, like, you're— up until you were, like, 40, you did do all of those things to preserve. So she looks now almost 50, what she might have looked like 35, you know? She had, like, 20 years of doing the tox.

Yeah. But also, that's what crunchy is to me. Like, it's not totally— I don't even know the word for, like, all the way. Hippie, I guess?

Yeah.

But, like, crunchy is, like, mid.

Granola is all the way, right?

I guess. And then, like, if you're crunchy, you just, like.

You're a little bit.

Like, a couple bits of granola.

Right.

And that gives you a crunch.

Exactly, but you're not full crunch.

I wouldn't— I am not granola.

Like, do you think Gwyneth Paltrow gets Botox?

No.

Right. I think she truly walks the walk.

Uh-huh. I think it's a little bit easier for her, because I think she has.

The infrastructure?

Natural genetic predisposition to being a youthful.

Youthful, yeah.

In addition to all of the modern abilities to keep her looking young and all the procedures that are not invasive. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And I think she devotes really her life to it, because that is her full-time job. Like, Goop literally is her job, so she's just a walker.

She has to walk the walk, yeah.

While the rest of us, you know, don't.

Yeah.

But I think, yeah, I think some people are just blessed.

Yeah, that does remind me, speaking of, you know, women of a certain age. I saw another clip from this week's episode of Golden Life, and I've decided I will be tuning in weekly. Ramona gets into a fight with, like, the stylist. I guess they're doing a photo shoot for the TV show, which I like that sort of, like, meta element. They're like, "Oh, we."

Mama does that too.

Yeah, we have a show, and, like, yeah, we're talking about the show. And so they sit down and hair and makeup, and there's, like, this random woman sitting in the glam chair getting her hair done.

No, and also, Ramona's looking for the stylist, so she's like.

Right, so she's like, "Where's the stylist?" And somebody's like, "Oh, she's right there," and it's the woman getting her glam done. And Ramona was like, "Who are you, and why are you getting your glam done?" And it's like Sonia and Luann are, like, standing there waiting to get their hair done while this rando stylist gets her hair curled.

Ramona is 100% right.

1,000%.

Growing up is realizing Ramona Singer is not crazy.

No, and her delivery is sometimes off. Of course, nobody's perfect. But at the core of what she's saying, she actually wasn't even rude enough to that stylist. Like, I need to watch this episode. The clip, like, really hooked me in. And, yeah, I think it's going to be amazing. Like, I need to watch.

I feel— oh, God. I'm afraid. I worry.

What?

I just don't want to say I fear, because then, like, I'm going to.

You're Gen Z.

I'm going to go— I'm going to low IQ category.

Yeah.

I worry that the show is, like, great clip farm, but in terms of watching a whole show and a whole episode and the plot and everything, it doesn't live up to the clips.

Well, I watched half of the first episode, and I did enjoy it.

Mm-hmm.

So I'm going to give it another chance.

I'll get back to it. I have so much reading to do, because I still have to finish Partida. We didn't— Red Heads is going to be delayed. We'll be uploading next week. Apologies, fam. Calamity Club, I was halfway through when I started Partida, and then our book club is choosing a different book, because Calamity Club was too big, so I'll have to read that too. I think we're going to read The Correspondent. I've heard amazing things.

I've heard nothing, but I'm so out of, like, the book world.

I know. But, like, these are the books.

Oh, but I trust you implicitly.

No, which is, like, good, because it'd be like if you picked up a book in 2020 and all you read was Crawdads, Seven Husbands, and Daisy Jones, and you're like, "Wow, books are amazing."

Yeah, there's no point in, like, reading a book, if you don't read a lot. There's no point in picking up a book that's not, like, of the moment, because the whole point of reading books is, like, being able to tell people. It's like, "Oh, did you read that?" "Yeah, I did." Yeah, it's like.

But it's like when you read a lot of contemporary books in one year, and you've read all the hits, you start to read the shits.

Well, I actually think sometimes the hits are, like, good reads plans, and a lot of the hits are not that good.

No, no, but the— like, Crawdads, that was on another level.

Yes, oh, yeah.

That was, like— no, you could feel when something has, like, the cover and the look, and then it's actually, like, not that great. That's different. But every year there's, like, two or three banger.

Big books.

I would say Strangers was one of them.

Strangers?

Copper Spell Burden.

Copper Spell Burden, of course. I read it.

And it's like, maybe you didn't even, like, love it, but it was a talking point.

Oh, my gosh, this is the last book I read.

Yeah.

It— like, wasn't even that good.

But when you— when we were reading, like, 60 books a year, like, we were actually reading just garbage at a certain point, because there was nothing good else to read. And God forbid we read something, like, a classic.

Jackie, when I was reading 60 books a year, some of the shit, especially in, like, November, December, to hit my reading goal, was, like, actual pamphlets and, like, short stories written by, like, non-authors. Like, I don't even want to talk about what I was reading. Like, it was dark.

So it's like, if you read a book today, just like how you read Copper Spell Burden, it would be great, because it's, like, the book that everyone loved that they say you should read.

I'm much more selective now.

Much more.

Much more selective.

Much more.

Much stupid for children.

Well, do you want to get into the stories?

I guess. What is the vibe of them today? I know.

It's really, like, random celebrity news. I guess everyone yesterday was busy out there, like, making a plan, grabbing an elderly pill.

Oh, that's true.

An umbrella and a snack.

So they weren't, like, acting out. That's unfortunate.

No, so they really weren't acting out. And anyone who makes Election Day about them is actually not strategic, because you're never going to outshine Election Day unless you're Tom Jordy in Election Day.

I was going to say.

Getting divorced on Election Day.

Some people try to use Election Day as a divergence from what's actually going on.

Which is also just, like, a life raft for us. And I think those people and us.

We're extremely connected.

We need to get together and have a party of things.

Tom and Erika did booey us.

That was 2020. Like, thank you, Tom and Erika.

She knew what she was doing.

But thank you, Tom and Erika.

But the funny thing was that it literally didn't even work. If anything, like, her attempt to hide it made people even more curious.

No, no, there was nothing else to talk about on that day if you don't talk about politics.

Right.

So it was all we talked about.

Yeah.

But we don't give her enough thanks for that.

We don't.

Thank you, Erika Jane.

Erika.

Let's get into the fast five stories that Yetta do need to know.

I'll snag them.

You better pay for them.

But you told me to snag a pair.

Snag them.

Our first story, some Dancing With the Stars follow-up. So Tatiana Ali is hinting at how she chose her Dancing With the Stars group dance team with, quote, "an intentional strategy."

Yes.

So Tatiana Ali responded to a user on Threads. Someone threaded—what's the word for.

Throwed.

The verb for threading.

Throwed.

They throwed. Tatiana, it sounded like they threw a ball, but.

I was going to say, this person's tweet was, like, funny and to the point, and actually really, like, I'm glad that she responded to it, because they were so right.

So this person said, "Tatiana, as the lowest scored person, why wouldn't you choose at least one of the stars with a dance background for your team?" Crying emoji. So that would be Jenna or Harry.

Yeah.

Someone responded to that threader, saying, "Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but she strikes me as someone who is very intentional about who she shares spaces with, and I think who she picked was a reflection of that."

Emoji.

Shrugging emoji. Tatiana responded to that, "Very much so."

Yeah. I mean, I'm glad that there was a reason, other than the fact that she just, like, makes bad choices, because it was such a bad choice. And it did cost her the team competition. Like, it was so unbalanced.

And so this could either be about Jenna Dewan, Val, or Harry, or Jenna Johnson, because those are the people that have professional dance backgrounds plus their partners. People are.

It's not about Jenna Dewan, and it's not about Harry Shum. It's obviously about Jalen Benna.

Yeah. People are assuming it's about Val and the Fresh Prince comment.

Of course. And we forget.

She doesn't want to.

Tatiana was on the Fresh Prince. Like, she's personally invested in Val.

She's not.

Yes.

She's not.

No, like, Alfonso too, you know? Like, definitely she has beef with them. Like.

You think so?

Or?

I feel like they all love each other, and I was shocked to actually hear that there would be, like, beef behind the scenes, because I feel like what they're going through is so singular, and they're just, like, this. And, yeah, when something happens, someone's getting called out. Like, I don't know. I just feel like they've all sort of rallied behind each other, and that there's actually beef, and that she doesn't like Val for that comment is surprising.

Yes, I agree. They do usually present a united front, because it's like, well, maybe there's, you know, interpersonal communication issues. Nobody knows what it's like to be going through what they're going through, and it's very much like a team mentality, even though they're all in competition with one another. So, yes, I'm actually surprised to hear that.

And then more than that, that she would say something publicly that, like, publicly puts her opposed to whichever person.

Like, it's not awkward?

She's talking about. This should be awkward.

Right.

They are in such close.

You know, I don't know how much interact.

To the sponsors.

Are they? Like, how often is she seeing Val and Jenna?

Um.

Aside from the actual night of the show, which, like, you're worried about your own dance.

But, like, still, there's rehearsals, there's blocking, there's, you know.

But not with each other, is there? Like, what would Tatiana see Val?

Before the.

I imagine the day before the show when they do rehearsals. Like, they all have to, like, block the show and, like, line up. No, I feel like they go by each person's performance. Like.

I guess.

And, like, the people that are the rehearsal.

And do they all rehearse in, like, the same center? Do they have lunch together there?

So.

Those studios look the same.

So let me say something, actually. I feel that my time on Massanger actually can help here. Now, we were kept more separate because of the anonymity of it all, but, like, when we were talking about, like, song selections, I realized I probably—I think it's probably the same as the Massanger. Before the Massanger, they give you this huge questionnaire about, like, who your favorite singers are, genres you like, things like that people associate with you, stories. You have, like, actually, like, a call with, like, a therapist. Not a therapist, but it turns into, like, therapy. Like, "Tell me about your childhood." And they try to incorporate everything you've asked them to within the limits of, like, what songs can be cleared legally, what songs have recently been danced or sung to.

Mm-hmm.

I did not want to sing "Sea is Unstoppable." That song meant nothing to me. I honestly didn't even know the words.

So right.

They were so right, of course. Now, of course, they gave me Barbara Streisand as well, because they wanted it to be a clue.

And the next week that you had picked your song for, you had picked, because it was a themed week.

I hadn't picked it yet, and they gave it to me, and I didn't like it.

Oh, but it was based on you.

Yes.

Can we say what it was?

Yeah, it was Spice Girls night, and they wanted me to sing "Mama, I love you."

And they were so right for that, because not only did that song raise us, and then we have so many videos of us singing that song to our moms and our parents.

I had just.

I had a 5-0. Your whole thing was that you're a baby, and that's literally why you had to leave, because you're such a mama.

Yeah, no, no. They were so right. Vision-wise, but that was not my choice. Like.

Yeah.

I don't even.

But they're going off.

Know the words to that song outside of "Mama, I love you, mama, I care."

They're going off of things about you, and also, yeah, we saw.

And sometimes they do know better, absolutely.

That for Dancing With the Stars, they fill out this huge questionnaire beforehand, like, favorite movies, favorite songs, like, dream things to dance to. We know Jackson Olsen was going to be Greatest Showman the following week, because he's, like, the greatest showman, and that was so inspiring to him. So I do think Tatiana has a.

A say.

Is responsible for a lot of the choices made.

But it's entirely possible that she's not.

It's true, but I just.

Like, I had no part in "Sea." I really didn't. I had no part.

Yeah.

Now, I was wrong for that.

But it was based on everything you told them.

No.

That you had to see.

They changed it at the last minute. I was supposed to be singing—what was my second song supposed to be? A Celine Dion song. But, like, there were so many people who had recently sung Celine Dion. They gave me a song that actually I didn't love, and then I practiced it, and I was, like, obsessed with it, and then they changed.

Which song?

Shit. I could find, like, the sheet music. It was.

It wasn't even sheet music.

It was, like, not "It Takes Two."

"It Takes Two" to make a thing go right?

No, no, no, no, no. It was "Not the Power of Love." It was, like.

It's one song.

It's one everyone knows, but, like, not one of her.

From Celine?

Dion.

Oh, okay.

Let me just find it. In case people really want to know behind the scenes. "To Love You More"? Was that it?

Yeah, that sounds.

Yeah.

That's a good song.

It is. It's not one of her biggest hits, but I was so excited, and then it just, like, didn't work out. I actually forget the exact reasoning.

But "Unstoppable" was so iconic.

Best thing that ever happened to me.

Yeah.

So sometimes they know best.

Yeah.

What do we got here? Oh, so the beef. Yeah, it is. It is a brave thing to, like, start beef now. Like, especially there's fewer and fewer contestants, so it's, like, just getting, like, a smaller pool of people you do definitely see while you're there. So I would love to know. Like, you're going to have to give us a little bit more. Like, we're just assuming it's about Fresh Prince. Maybe it's something else. Maybe Harry Shum.

It could be completely something else.

Maybe Harry Shum punching her fist.

It could be Jenna Johnson. Like, I could see her being tough to get along with.

It could be Jenna Dewan.

It could be Jenna Dewan. Also, a little more dancing with the stars news. Is that Maura posted, like, a long Instagram carousel about this week on Twitter? She said, "This week was definitely one of the toughest I've had so far. I was really unwell, running on very little energy and trying to learn two dances, but I gave it absolutely everything I had." Very long, just saying, you know, "I'm doing my best. I'm human."

So this picture of her getting, like, an IV.

Yeah. And just working hard and laying down and being tired. All the highs and lows, really, because there was also stuff from the show, Tinker Bell, et cetera. Molly May commented with some support. But just letting everyone know, like, she is struggling, but she's okay.

We're sort of, like, confirming.

That it's been hard for her.

Yeah.

But that also, that she wants to be there, that this is the best thing ever, and she wants to keep going, and, like, please, you know.

Vote?

Support her.

Yes, I saw Yann LeBron sharing that actually today's the first day that the celebrity stars have off since the show started.

Wow.

So hopefully everyone, like, comes back this week with a.

Renewed energy.

Rejuvenated energy, because they got a day off.

Yeah. Hopefully. So that's, like, sad for her. I hope that she.

It is.

Like, gets what she needs, but it might be more of a day.

And even if she does get voted off, like, sometimes it's just a blessing.

Yeah.

Like.

Yeah, like Jen Affleck, even if she doesn't see it that way.

Yeah. No, no, and, like, now knowing what we know, like, I wish we didn't advocate for her so hard, because she, like, was being mean to everyone, and, like, she's crazy.

Are you ready for our next story?

I am.

Kim Kardashian's getting candid about the future of her legal career after failing the bar.

And you know what? I've been waiting to hear from her on this.

So at the New York Season Two premiere of "All Is Fair," she talked about.

Which was, like, an influencer affair.

Yes.

You just knew everyone was there.

Yes. She talked about failing the bar. She said, "I never really get embarrassed. I think it's embarrassing for people that don't try to study for the bar, that would ever put me in an embarrassing situation." She added that she's trying her hardest and learning so much, but despite trying her hardest, she's taking a break after last year's attempt.

Oh.

Yeah.

So this is either, like, the last we'll ever hear about it, or it's a true break.

Uh-oh. I mean, it could be a break, but a break could wind up just being, like.

Setting you back even further.

It could be a break where I'm taking time to think about if I'm coming back to it. It doesn't mean that I'm necessarily coming back.

Oh, remember when One Direction went on a break? Like, please, some of us are still waiting.

Yeah. A break is oftentimes the end. Like, a breakup.

Yeah. Or the beginning of the end.

Mm-hmm.

I don't know what to advise Kim here, because I do think, like, this pursuit is noble, but so unnecessary. Like, she can and does make a lot of change without being a lawyer. Like, she has all these people around her, and she's done all this. And it was a really noble effort. But in addition to all the other things she's doing, I feel like for a while it was kind of, like, her only thing.

Mm-hmm.

And it was, like, okay, fine, sure, if you want to commit your life, yeah. But, like, with the obsession with acting now and all the movies and the TV shows and then the businesses and Skakai, like, it doesn't it no longer fits.

Yeah. I think she'll take a very long break, but I think ultimately she will want to climb this mountain and reach the top, because her biggest thing is people saying she can't do something and having to prove people wrong. And I don't think she can live with the niggling thing of, "I couldn't do that."

Yeah. Especially, like, I think she wants to prove to Kourtney that she can. Like, I think Kourtney's one of her biggest ops.

Yeah. I think, like, everyone, people made fun of her when she went to the White House, when she was doing legal work, and, like, that is what fuels her in even smaller things. But this is such an obvious, like, failure, because it's an F on the exam.

Right. You did not pass.

Other things she can say, like, she can now say she acted. I know she wants to go and probably win an Oscar, but still, anyone who said she couldn't act, look.

No, she has successfully acted.

Number one show on Hulu. This is so black and white, and I don't think she can live with the failure on her resume.

But I do think, like, taking such a big break will set her back, like, academically. It's, like, so much information. It's so dense.

It sounds.

She was, like, in it for years.

But the way she was doing it was unsuccessful.

It was not worth it.

And other people, like, who study for the bar, study for shorter.

Yeah.

And get it done. And so maybe it will be, like, she eventually takes a four-month block, not working on anything else, just studying for the bar. Like, I think she will come back to this. Not right now, because she has so much momentum and other things, but, like, she can only do the bar. Like, she shouldn't try and study for the bar while doing other while on set for "All Is Fair."

Agreed.

And how she was doing it.

That season, what was that, last season?

Yeah.

It was just, like, genuinely painful to watch.

Yeah. And it's a little.

And also, like, there's, like, an emotional element too, because of, like, her dad. So yeah, it's unfortunate that it didn't just, like, work out, because, like, she could also stop doing the lawyer stuff or whatever, but if she passed the bar. Like, because that was, like, this thing she.

No, it's just she doesn't ever have to work the law day in her life.

Yeah.

She has to pass the bar. And if we what we know about her and everything she's shared about her personality, like, she will not let this rest.

Yeah.

I do think it will be a very long break, though, until she can come back with a strategy.

Yeah. But it's, like, how do you study differently? You had the best tutors in the world. You had a massage and a hotel suite the night. Like, maybe she needs to go to, like, seriously, just, like, one of those classes.

Like, regular, like.

That regular people do.

Get it, like, a tutor.

Yeah. I do think maybe also she is at a disadvantage. Like, she's not she doesn't have higher education. Only Kourtney was the one who went to college. So it's, like, yeah, most people who become lawyers, even if they're not, like, the smartest people in the world, they don't have access to, like.

They know how to test take.

They've been through college.

Yeah.

Like, they know are used to doing big readings. Like, maybe not having a higher education is a factor.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Some people just aren't good test takers.

That's true as well.

Are you?

I have not taken a test. But if my academic career is any indication, no, I'm not a good test taker.

I'm not a good test taker, but I'm not, like, someone who's, like, "I'm a bad test taker."

The thing is, I don't know how to say.

I mean, like, I just didn't know enough. Like, I didn't take the test wrong. I just didn't know.

Yeah, that's the like, I had poor scoring. Is that because I'm a bad test taker? Maybe. Is it because I literally didn't study or care? Also a possibility.

And I think people who, like, identify as a bad test taker, let's dig in on them, because it's, like.

Blameless. Like, they just have take no accountability in their life.

You just didn't know. It's not like you knew everything.

And of course, I'm not talking about to people who are dyslexic.

No.

They can have learning disabilities.

No, of course not. But there are people that are.

Just say, like, "I'm such a bad test taker."

That don't have a disability, who, like, act, like, they know everything, but when it came to the test, they were, like, bleh, bleh, bleh.

Right. Like, maybe you're a bad studier.

Maybe you just didn't know it. You didn't know the material.

Yeah. Maybe you didn't try hard enough.

There's nothing wrong with the test. It's, like.

What a savage.

Like, assuming it's a pretty straightforward test.

Because, like, what would make you a bad test taker, now that I'm, like, digging deep?

Just know if someone ever tells you that about themselves, they're full of shit.

No, and just expect, like, a lack of accountability from them in all aspects of their life.

Yeah. 100 percent.

Again, unless they have some sort of learning disability.

100 percent. We're just talking about the regular abled people who act like they're geniuses, but they're bad test takers. Sure, Jan.

Right, because the geniuses I know actually, like, did good on tests.

Right. Right. Where it was just.

Many of that worked.

Where it was just a test of their acumen.

Right, where they ask you the question and you give the answer. So, like, maybe you're not a genius if you can't answer it correctly. Maybe you're legit just dumb. Like, ever thought about that?

Yeah. But you're a swindler, though, because you can't just admit that you're dumb. There's nothing wrong with being dumb.

Right. Not only are you dumb, but you're manipulative too.

Yeah. You have to act, like, "Oh, no, I didn't know it was a test."

Yeah. Right, but I'm a bad test taker, whatever that means.

Yeah. You're a swindler.

Such a good point.

You're dumb all day. Like, that's totally fine.

There is no shame in being dumb.

No.

A little shame, but.

There's a little bit of shame, but, like, only from self-imposed shame.

It's true.

Like, nobody, like, cares if you're dumb.

Yeah. And it's like, what is dumb? You know?

It's relative. Are you ready for our next story?

What number?

Three.

Yeah.

Hailey Bieber is revealing her lonely journey with a health condition following the birth of her son. So Hailey Bieber says she felt alone battling premenstrual dysphoric disorder, PMDD, after giving birth to her son, Jack Blues. She spoke about her diagnosis in a recent interview with Women's Wear Daily. According to the Mayo Clinic, PMDD is a severe extension of premenstrual syndrome, PMS.

Oh.

So it's a severe extension of PMS that causes extreme mood swings. Behavioral symptoms can include sadness or hopelessness, anxiety, extreme moodiness, irritability, and anger. She said, "After I had my son, I struggled with PMDD a bit, and there's just not a lot of conversation or research about it." She said talking about her struggles had helped her. "Conversation, for me personally, makes me feel less alone. When we can identify with each other and have conversations relating to each other and talking about the things we're dealing with and struggling with, I do think it makes it feel like less of a lonely journey." I would agree with that, especially as a new mama.

Yeah.

New mamas need to commiserate with other new mamas or other mamas.

She talks openly about she had, like, a very traumatic birth too, and, like, a bad postpartum. And it's, like, she's my sister in pregnancy, and I keep, like, waiting for her to join. But I think, like, she's actually very traumatized from the whole experience and is still healing from it.

Do you know what happened in her birth?

No, I remember she did an interview in.

Was it with the SHEMD?

She did do SHEMD podcast, but no, it was a written interview in a magazine. And I don't remember exactly what happened, but it was just, like, you know, like any birth.

Yeah, every one.

Not standard.

Nothing. There's no.

It goes wrong. Some things go right. And I think it was very traumatizing.

Oh, wow. And then she had extreme PMS and hormones.

PMDD.

More so than the average.

Right.

It sounds like. Which, yeah, can be isolating. And I feel like if you don't have a good group of people around you to just, like, talk to you, just commiserate even.

Mm-hmm.

Just, like, talk about the realities of motherhood.

Yeah.

It can be very lonely.

She should have talked to Kylie. Kylie's very open about the baby blues.

That's true. I wonder if she did. She probably did.

She probably did.

But, like, a lot of those girls in that circle, like, not a lot of them.

No, Hailey's one of, like, the early ones to have babies.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it's hard to be the first one.

Oh, my God.

When you have no idea what it's going to be like.

Shout out to my girl, Ana. I think about her all the time. First girl in my friend group to have a baby, like, by years.

Yeah.

Doesn't have any sisters. Like, I have like, I wasn't the first in my group, but I have you guys. So, like, if I didn't have, like, my mom friends, I have my sisters. Like, I had plenty. I think about Ana all the time. Like, had no older she has her mom, of course. No older sisters and first in our group.

Yeah.

She's such a queen.

It's also funny. I don't know if you had this, but I wound up when I, like, had Harriet and it was, like, my first there was, like, a girl who I knew who also gave birth, like, that week. And we just wound up becoming, like, so close, texting every day. We had never really texted before that.

Good.

I'll tell you.

Just, like, whisper like. Oh, yeah, but, like, you knew her.

Knew no, no, no, knew her, but maybe a not even, like, a happy birthday text once a year. And, like, we wound up, like, talking for months, just, like, sharing stories and experiences. So it's, like, so nice to find someone who's literally to the day going through what you're going through.

Yes. Yes, it does connect. I'm sure Lauren Elena and I would have been, like, like, best friends forever, because we were close before. But no, no, we talk all the time.

Yeah. Yeah. That so Lauren Elena is yours?

Yes.

Yeah.

Because she was, like, a week after me.

That's so sweet.

Mm-hmm.

So it's really nice to have someone like that. And it's if you're, like, a new mama, it doesn't even have to be someone you're already super close with. It can be, like, a girl you know from high school.

It's not weird.

It's not weird.

It's I'm here to tell you it's not weird.

Especially if you're both first-time mamas.

Yeah.

Like, what is this?

Thank you, Tartwide. You're thank you, Tartcations nationwide. Thank you.

Wide?

Tartcations nationwide.

Wide. After all that I've been through, like, and you've been there for all of it.

I'm so sorry. I it was it was a reflex.

Just go. Just read the story and go.

Tartcations. Our next story. Jennifer Lawrence channels Katniss Everdeen with an iconic Hunger Games salute while out in New York City. So Jay Law went for her daily stroll in New York City, and not only was she wearing a bracelet.

Do you know what is like, do you know what a whistle proper? Now, are you breathing out or breathing in?

Out. What about you?

Okay, so I don't really know how to whistle. And any time I do, it's because I'm sucking air in, which is wrong.

I just think the whistle is the sound. However you get there.

How stupid do we look when we whistle?

I whistle a little bit, but I wouldn't say I'm an amazing whistler.

Okay.

But sometimes I'll find myself, like, whistling while I work.

Really? Do do do do do do do. This is me blowing out whistle ready. I'm going to do the Hunger Games.

It got worse. You did the good one first.

That's the yeah, and that's when I suck in.

Oh. I think whistle is all about the sound you're emitting and how you get there.

Is nobody's business.

Is nobody's business.

How do you do, like, the lower.

That's what I was struggling.

Yeah. What an interesting podcast watching people whistle.

Whistling is so weird.

I don't even know, like, why we get hate. Like, we're so interesting. I wish I could. Like, it's such a slay it's such a people who can go, like, fast and quick and do do do do do do do. Like, whistle while you work. Can you guys even hear us?

So Jennifer Lawrence went like this.

She put three fingers in the air, and, like, people are freaking. Obviously, like, Hunger Games. I was telling you yesterday.

Well, yes. I now I am singing.

Mm-hmm.

I'm also seeing McKenna Grace, and this was another headline that I wanted to share.

Mm-hmm.

McKenna Grace, who's, like, the new Katniss.

She is the new Katniss. She's, like, officially crowned the It Girl. People are that's what I was trying to tell you yesterday. People are loving her looks. And she has, like, a lot of internet lore because she was, like, a child star and just, like, has been in the industry for a while. And she recently made headlines that, like, are being taken out of context, but she was she's, I guess, an actress who is now of a certain age, and she has, like, decided that she will not be doing.

Nudity.

Nudity.

So she's been turning down roles that require nudity because she has dreams of one day playing a Disney princess. She said, "At this point, I definitely don't do nudity or very hypersexual things. I respect anybody who can, but it's terrifying to me. I don't know if that if that'll ever change. It's not like I only do wholesome things, but my dream is to try and be a Disney princess someday."

Now, I didn't even think about it. Can you not be a Disney princess if you've shown Tiddy? Like, I guess not.

Well, I get there's probably no written law, but I guess Disney higher-ups would say.

Let's talk about recent Disney princesses.

No to that. And then also, Variety noted that Amy Adams actually comes to mind because she played Giselle in Enchanted in 2007 and then declined raw cheer movies in the years that followed in order to preserve the image of her for Disney fans.

And I just want to say, on a multitude of levels, like, let's talk about the Disney thing. Like, yeah, if you're going to be, like, a kid star, like, you can't be showing Tiddy.

Yeah.

Sorry. I think that's just fair. But also, like, on a human level, I think a young girl, like, being scared to get naked, like, not only in the room of people where it's happening, but then be on screen station-wide. Like, yeah, I feel like more people like, I the fact that I've never heard anyone say this take, which is such a normal, relatable take, like, yeah, I would literally rather die. Like, and it's not because I'm, like, modest, it's because, like, I feel awkward and embarrassed.

Yeah.

Like, it's such a normal thing for her to say. I'm surprised I've never heard anyone else say it. Like.

Well, we only know, like, the guy from Desperate Housewives who won't kiss.

Yes. And I know that there are actresses. Actually, up until recently, Jennifer Lawrence was one of them.

Yeah.

Who wouldn't do nudity. And then she randomly showed her vagina in that bad movie.

Mm-hmm.

Like, she's somebody who does, like and I think that nudity is layered because nudity can be art. It can. Like, when I think of Kate Winslet's.

Like, David's Michelangelo.

When I think of.

Michelangelo's David.

Yeah. Hit me, like, one of your French girls. Like, I don't think of Kate Winslet as having done, like, nudity. You know what I mean? It was art. It was, like.

She took a nude.

Yeah, but I don't think of it and it was only one nipple, actually.

She sent nudes.

It was only one nipple. It only counts if you saw a nipple. There are layers to it. And I'm sorry. Some are, like, a little bit classier than others. And, like, some like, when Jennifer Lawrence randomly showed her vagina in that rom-com that, like, isn't and she's known for doing, like, high art films, that was really random to me.

Mm-hmm.

And to me, I would have considered her somebody who doesn't do nudity. Zendaya doesn't do nudity. She doesn't talk about it either.

Yeah.

But she would definitely be eligible for Disney oh, she is Disney.

Yeah.

And also.

You can see undercover. You can also see it, like, when we're watching a movie and, like, someone's penis or boobs are shown for no reason, and then someone who, like, it brings to mind off campus. Like, we got a lot of ass and titties, but not from.

But not from the main characters.

Characters.

Also, Carrie Bradshaw. Everyone on that show was naked every single episode. You never saw a butt cheek, a nipple, a side boob, nothing.

Nothing.

That was clearly just, like, a hard line for her.

Say it doesn't impact the work at all.

Mm-hmm.

I wouldn't I didn't even know that fact. Like.

Which fact?

That Carrie didn't show. Yeah, if I think about it.

She was never naked.

Carrie's fans and other people were naked, but it doesn't affect like, we don't need so much nudity. Like, it's okay.

I completely agree.

You don't want to do it. Like, that's fine.

And the fact that McKenna Grace, like, has this reason because it's, like, a dream of hers and she doesn't want to do something that would impact a potential dream. And honestly, she's in the Hunger Games. Like, yeah, she could be a Disney star. Like.

She looks like one.

Yeah. It's not I'm sure she wanted Rapunzel. She looks just like.

Who was being Rapunzel?

It was, like, a new face.

Is it?

No, it's not Elle Fanning. It's a, like, a young new face, which is great also. But she could definitely have a future as a Disney princess, but you don't necessarily need a reason to not want to do it.

Yeah. Yeah, you don't. But I never even thought about, like, the Disney girlies, not only beforehand because you probably won't get cast, but afterwards. Like, Amy Adams.

Sequel.

Apparently. She wound up being in a sequel, but also, she was supposed to do an SNL cat sketch that was, like, really dirty.

Mm-hmm.

And she said, "That's really funny, but I can't do that. Little girls are so obsessed with Enchanted right now. They'll find this, and it will be scarring for them. I just can't mix that right now."

Yes. Like.

Yeah.

Normalize just, like, like, not wanting to be gross too. Like, that's okay also.

Yeah.

Like, outside of nudity. Like.

No, it's just.

Some are just wanting to be, like, a good role model.

Yeah.

For the youth.

Mm-hmm.

Seventh Heaven energy.

Yeah. I this, like, feels so.

Radical?

No, it feels like from a different time. Like, no one's even saying stuff like this anymore.

Yeah. We have, like, reached peak nudity in terms of TV and film.

You think it's peak? I don't think it's peak.

It's the peak of so far in my lifetime.

I'm like, but I think it keeps going up.

It's insane. Like, the amount of really unnecessary and I love a beautiful love scene. And that's what I really liked about the love hypothesis. I think I said that too. It is, like, one of those, like, erotic books, but they really didn't make it that and it was, like, a beautiful love scene with this guy she fell in love with. Like, it's nice. Like, not to be, like, such a Karen, but, like.

No, it can be nice. There are so many, like.

Yeah.

Things that are nice.

So.

It feels like we've reached peak.

It's never going to end.

Yeah. And they do it just to do it. It's like nobody's nothing's happening, and it's like, here's some anal.

And then I also right. I think also, in an attempt to, like, balance it out because it was, like, all when we talk about nudity, we talk about women. It's always boobs and, like, sometimes a man's ass cheek. So I think in an attempt to, like, balance it out, we started seeing penises. And it's like, well, now we're just seeing everyone's penises and vaginas. Like, it wasn't a good faith effort, but now it's like there's penises everywhere.

Yeah, they were doing it, like, for women's rights.

Yes, right.

Mm-hmm.

It's like because a man's nipple is not the same as a woman's nipple.

Right. But, like, yeah. So, like, boobs are the same category, and penis and vagina are the same category, but, like, we're seeing boobs and nothing else, and that doesn't feel balanced.

Right. So then we're also now seeing penises because what do men have to offer? Their boobs don't count.

Yeah. So they're trying to help the women.

Right. And now everyone's naked.

Now we have to see everyone's penis.

And I can't watch TV on a plane anymore because it's embarrassing.

Yeah. Agreed.

I'm glad we agree on that.

Are you ready for our Fifth Mind story?

Mm-hmm.

Denise Richards is fueling Real Housewives of Beverly Hills speculation with her surprising cast trip reveal.

Mm-hmm.

So Denise Richards has revealed that she filmed for the Season 16 cast trip of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She also said that she will appear in several episodes of the upcoming season.

Well, I guess as long as Lisa Rena is not there, like, why wouldn't she not?

But I just feel like if Denise Richards is coming back, like, Rena has to be there. So, like, Rena has to apologize.

Help be held accountable.

Because it's like, yeah, we could all be like, "Oh, yeah, Denise, we always loved you." But, like, she still deserves an apology, and the apology starts with Rena.

Well, Rena has just recently said she will never return to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Right.

Which is easy for her to say because she's having a career high, like, coming off of Traitors, and she's, like, very in inner circle in fashion, and her daughter's, like, these huge models. So, like, it might not always be that way because I think when she accepted Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, that wasn't the case.

Mm-hmm.

She's a hustler, like she says. So she's having a peak right now. She doesn't need it, but, you know, that might not.

No, but I could see there are other things that you can do now in a valley when you want to restore your career.

You know, you don't have to go back to the rock.

She could do Dancing with the Stars.

Absolutely. And she has been sort of catapulted to a new tier of celebrity that before, when she was just sort of, like, out-of-work actress, part-time host, her having a valley, like, how are you paying your bills?

Mm-hmm.

But her valleys now is, like, she's still she's very she's a professional.

And she's employable for a lot of the things that are going on right now, like Traitors.

Yes. Yes, Dancing with the Stars.

So maybe at that time, it felt like Housewives was her ticket out, and it was.

It was.

But now there are other tickets because you are a former housewife and a former reality star.

Yeah.

And also, like, her husband does really well, and her girls are doing really well. And I know she's a hustler, and she always wants to work, but as you get older, like, things might change.

Yeah, that's true.

And.

I would love to see Denise come back. She had one of the worst stints on Real Housewives ever.

Mm-hmm.

Like, I'm trying to think of who came and went so quickly and so poorly. Like, Crash and Burn, and now I feel like she's come out on top because, like, the fandom turned on Lisa Rena, who was her op. She got divorced. So, like, that just makes you interesting, and her husband, like, was kind of crazy.

And you can sort of, like, blame all the problems you were having on the show and walking away.

Because he was very involved.

And you can blame that all on the husband. Like, "Oh, I was being this way because I had a bad husband."

But I just want to say, like, was it only Denise? It was also Erica. So, like, if she did come back, like, Erica.

Rena wasn't.

Sorry. It wasn't only Rena. It was also Erica. They were, like, a little bit of a tag team.

Yes, but they had a lovely conversation last season on Beverly Hills.

Oh, yeah.

And they.

And also, her and Rena have this, like, really big history.

Yeah.

Erica was just a random cast member.

Erica was just Rena's friend.

Yeah. I would love to see her come back if only just to, like, rectify the situation. She was great. I want to hear more about her facelift and her crazy-ass husband.

Yeah. Her face looks amazing.

Her face looks insane. And she's really open about it. Like.

Yeah. Well, she talked about, like, something that happened in her marriage when she was recovering from her facelift.

Oh, yeah.

That was so upsetting.

Is that when he was physically abusive?

Yeah, when she was literally, like, post-op one day, like, a face falling off.

Right. Right. No, she is this, like, inherently interesting woman.

Mm-hmm.

I would love to see her back. Kyle outed her. Like, they all owe I'm sorry. It's not just Rena. They all owe her an apology. And then Kyle end up you being, like having a struggle with her sexuality and refusing to talk about it.

Mm-hmm.

And everyone has to respect that, but you're over here outing Brandi and.

Denise.

Denise. That was a like, literally, she had such a bad showing.

Yeah.

And it was such a get for Bravo.

They paid her more than they've ever paid anyone.

$4 million for two seasons.

Mm-hmm.

Like, was it worth it? Honestly, no.

No, it wasn't, but I'm glad at least she got paid, like, for the waste of time.

Just so she could give half of it to her loser husband who, like, claims he's carrying cancer and everybody's following him around in black SUVs, like, with unmarked vehicles and tinted windows. Like.

Yeah. So that's the stories that you need to know.

I would agree that your summation of random celebrity news was 100% correct.

Like, post-election day news, I don't think we could really ask for more.

So you can't always get a Tom and an Erica.

No.

Sometimes you get a Denise, and that's fine.

Sometimes you get what did we talk about?

What did we talk about? Dancing with the Stars, Tatiana.

I know.

Came in the bar.

Came in the bar. Hailey.

Uh-huh.

And Hunger Games.

Hunger Games.

JLo Warber Braid. Yeah. It's post-election.

Oh, we didn't talk about the fact that JLo did this thing. We, like, bros passed that.

Yeah. She's, you know.

She's in her, like, era of, like, appealing to the public because once you launch a brand.

It's been massive. Yeah, you need customers.

And you don't have the luxury of what she's always had, which is, like, not having to give anything of her personality. Anything we've gotten from JLo in the last decade is just because she wanted to give it to us.

Did you see that they explained the degree?

No.

Oh, I posted it to my story. Let me pull up.

Who's they?

The mess degree people.

Was I right about the science?

Not in yes and no. Yes, and there's more.

Okay.

Sorry. Yes, but wait. There's more. Hold on. I've got to find this critical piece of information.

Titillating stuff. I went and switched sweaters. It's fine.

Oh. I was excited. We've never done that.

Maybe tomorrow, like, I'll just wear that sweater, and you'll just wear this one.

Well, we literally do that, like, organically.

Yeah.

But we never had a live switch. We live switch.

I said switch.

But we never had a live switch. Okay, here it is.

Where are you going?

Goodbye. I'm done.

Are you ready?

This is my co-founder.

Co-founder. Do you know what that means? I always imagined having a hairline called mess. And, you know, I.

Oh, it's a trademark issue, right?

That's what.

That was always kind of the name.

In it, yes.

In my heart. But, you know, we had to go through the process of trying to find the name. We hired this big company, you know, thousands of names. We spent, what, two and a half years trying to think of the name.

Two and a half years.

To end up right back at mess.

Because Jen was like, "This is what I want to call it." And I was like, "Life is messy."

Yeah.

Like, the philosophy goes so much deeper than hair. We were designing the logo, and this was a total coincidence, but the logo ended up being designed with that S.

Fourteenths here.

And then the degree symbol at the top. When we saw it, we were like, "Oh," because S with the degree symbol is, like, standard entropy. Why don't you explain what entropy? I could, but I choose not to. The measure of disorder in a system. Almost like the scientific word for mess, and I thought, "Oh, how poetic it is."

That's right.

And I remember actually explaining this to her.

That's turn it off. The S degree is for the entropy.

And S degree also happens to mean mess in science.

In science. Yes.

Got it. Okay. I'm whatever, like, the intended effect of JLo's, like, new images, it's having the opposite effect on me. But maybe I'm just, like, hormonal. I'm pregnant and, like, not receptive to, like, cutesy little, like, hair products. Hating everything.

Okay, entropy.

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