Transcript of "Jennifer Lopez"

Okay, this is Jason. I'm doing a cold open. I'm real snacky. Those carbohydrates, they're crunchy, they're salty, they're not good for me, but man, it feels good. Doesn't it feel good, gang, to do a nice crunchy salty snack? Or do you like the gooey sweet ones? I don't know, maybe a combo of both is great, right? But which do you start with? Which do you end with? What do you put in between? Ah, I know what you put in between. You put in a nice, big, fat, well-cooked episode of Smartless.

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Welcome to Smartless.

Smartless. Smartless.

Smartless. Fuck the stress. You know, guys, I can't have the stress. I lost my voice, and it's just now come back a little bit. I still have a little Brenda from Fargo.

You screaming at people on set?

Is it from the Knicks games, or just screaming at people on set again?

I think it was—

I want my chair over here!

It was— I think it was a cold, or it might have been allergies.

No!

I mean, yeah, it started— By yourself? It started in my throat. And it went to my nose, and then it landed on my vocal cords. You're a little fragile.

Jason's a little fragile. I feel like this is the first time we're meeting the real JB right now.

And I was a little frazzled getting to mic today because that's what we call it, right? Getting to mic.

Getting to mic.

Sure, sure. We do that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to have my teeth brushed for you. Do you guys brush your teeth for me?

Of course. Always.

No, not me.

You don't?

Don't you brush your teeth?

Oh, look at his whoop. Did you sleep with the whitener on too long last night?

No, I went to the—

Look at that.

I went to the dentist yesterday. And he's like, I don't wipe my teeth. How about that?

And you smoke and you drink coffee.

I know.

And you self-tan.

I don't self-tan. That's the one where— don't make me mad. You and Kimmel. Nobody loves hitting me in my tan more than Molly.

But what's self-tan mean? You just lay down?

That's like a cream. But where do you find the time? And how is it always so Even Mr. Trump.

Well, you know what I do every day. I do my walk every day. And so that's like an hour.

I don't talk to me like I'm fucking watching you doing your fucking heavy hands and shit.

You know what my routine is.

Your Velcro ankle weights. You know my routine.

With my weight vest. Somebody took a picture of me with my weight vest yesterday on Loma Vi.

Oh, really? I got to see that.

But, Will, I spend a lot of time when I'm not working on the golf course, as we're aware. What? That's 5 hours of sun exposure, and I wear 100. So you're saying your 20-minute—

I don't wear it.

Okay, that's what it is.

A, and B, I don't wear a bucket hat.

Right.

Right.

So you wear no sun protection whatsoever. You're kind of bragging about that right now to get yourself that nice color.

I'm not bragging about it.

You're giving yourself fucking cancer.

I'm not. First of all, fucking cool it. It's early for me to die.

Okay? I've had skin cancer already. I had something shaved off my eye. Remember that? You had to go in there and got it all scraped off?

I get checked. I have a friend of mine, and she's been giving me a lot of shit about sunscreen lately.

Are these checks that you pay for, or is it—

you say a friend, like a close friend of mine.

Does she check for ticks at the same time and all those tough to find spots?

Found another one. She just squeezes it out like a zip.

You're covered in ticks.

I found a couple of leeches too. I'm like, so?

I have to remove the poison.

The tix— the tix.

Oh my gosh.

So wait, so you've got— you've got it.

Yeah.

Now you're getting into a sweat because you're thinking about all the possible risks you're taking.

I've also had 4 coffees today, so I'm having a coffee sweat.

Yeah.

You know, we were at dinner the other night, JB. You were missed. I know. You were missed. And Jen brought a photo up from our big family trip from a few years back where we went with all the kids and everything. Yeah.

God, I love that.

And there's a photo of all of us, and then my head's sticking out the back. Remember how tan I was? My hair is sticking up, and then I've got zinc on my lips, and I look like a crazy person, right, Sean?

We passed around the photo and everybody had something to say about it.

And I've never seen it. No, I'd never seen it before. I was like, what is— I look like an insane person.

You look like a predator.

Like you guys came to the island and found me there. Like I'd laid out you know, had written in the sand SOS.

We have to go back there.

I know, guys, it'd be fun to go now with the kids a little bit older.

Before—

hey, how's it— it's fun being back for the weekend.

It's very nice to be back for the weekend.

Yes, I'm going to your Q&A, Jay, tomorrow at Netflix because I want to— I know that you're doing a Q&A session, right?

Hey, what the hell are you doing there?

Well, I'm just gonna go because I want to ask you questions about directing and stuff. I know you're giving like a thing, good. And so I got an email from Netflix about it, like, come join us.

So I'm like, oh, wear the zinc on your nose so that when you hold your hand up—

put a fake mustache hat, and then I'm going to sit in the back and I'm going to be like, I've got a question.

No, you should play the crazy Italian guy from our podcast.

Yeah.

I love a black and rabbit. What is your— these brothers are crazy. You're unhinged.

I can't believe they sent you an invite.

No, actually, a different friend of mine got an email about it and they sent it to me and I was like, oh, fucking send me that. I want to go. I want to go show up and crash. How good. And then you know what? I did have the thought. I was like, If I did it, then I make it about me, and I'm not going to go and do that. No, why do that? Please, please, please do it enough. There's so many people listening right now who are nodding, going, I know you do make it about you. Shut up. We hate your stupid stories.

But what about, like, yeah, so I'm here this weekend to do these interviews and stuff for DTF and for Black Rabbit. And it's all talking. It's all talking. It's, you know, including this podcast. And I was looking at, like, literally, 36 hours ago, I couldn't—

I could—

everything was like this.

I couldn't do this.

Oh, really?

And I was like, "Oh, my God. I've got, like, 5 days of work ahead of me that's just talking." Luckily, I got a little prednisone in me and an antibiotic.

Yeah, good, good. You know what? I was talking to our buddy who's doing Dog Day Afternoon. Not Jon Bernthal, but I was talking to— You guys know Jon Ortiz? He's the best. He's a great actor, and he's a good buddy of mine. Thank God. Is on Broadway right now, and he has a really bad cold. And it's a nightmare scenario.

I almost called you, Sean, because I knew you'd probably have some fancy Broadway doctor that knows how to deal with vocal stuff.

Always. I have two. The boots are the best.

Boots knows. Wait, Sean, are you getting rid of paddles and going with boots?

Right now he's boots. Right now he's boots.

Oh, Boots McGee.

Yeah, I'm boots. Yeah, because I have a boot on. But speaking of stuff— Sean's got a point that he wants to make. I saw him.

Who are you looking at off camera who's giving you the cue to go into it? Is it Scott?

No, nobody. Me.

It's me.

Okay, I'm looking at all of you. No, we have to go because our guest is super famous and she has to work.

Oh, sorry.

Okay, yes, here we go.

I should have got dressed up. I mean, well, I got undressed.

Put your sleeves back on.

I'm gonna put a nice pashmina on.

Oh guys, my guest today, who I love and I live for, grew up in Castle Hill, New York, the middle of three sisters, in an apartment.

Andrew Martin.

So small they all shared a bed. There was always music in the house with constant reenactments of West Side Story. I could do the whole thing with her. Chenoweth. But her parents still hoped she'd become a lawyer. Instead, she left college to pursue dance full-time, left home, and ended up sleeping in a Manhattan dance studio. Somewhere along the way, she taught Kerry Washington how to dance. I can't wait to ask her about that. Then she became the first Latina actress ever paid $1 million for a movie role. Rita Moreno. She's briefly been on this podcast before. It's the beautiful, multi-talented, and Unstoppable.

Jennifer Lopez. Lopez.

Yes!

No way!

Willie got it.

Very nice.

Yes.

I killed a few.

No, when you said briefly, and then I remember you briefly on—

Yes. Yeah, I was so close with Andrea Martin. Goddamn it.

So close.

Oh my God, Jen, what are you drinking?

Hi there.

A little cappuccino.

Mm-hmm. Oh, nice. What you got?

What do you go with for the milk on that? Are we almond? Are we oat?

I'm traditional. I like a 2% milk. I know everybody's with fancy oats and almonds. Yes.

No. Cow milk all the way.

Jason, Jason, response to that? You beta.

I know, but I feel— I got word from one of those doctors back in the day that I'm lactose intolerant or I'm bad with the dairy or something like that. And so I've just never had cow milk since then. Plus, I did see a documentary once where they said the very disgusting fact, which is humans are the only species that drink the milk of another animal. Right, that, like, it is weird, isn't it?

I'm just saying, it is weird.

I'm the same way.

I don't care. I know you drink full tall glasses of milk.

I don't care.

I know, and it tastes so good. It tastes so good.

Plus, you're— but Jennifer Lopez is always working out and exercising and staying in good health, so she can have milk in her coffee. I try, right?

Well, you're talking about that. It's not about that.

It's not a bad health choice.

But I mean, you know, you have to— if you're gonna do it, you kind of have Balance it, says Jennifer Lopez, says Dr.

Ding Dong.

You look very healthy. You look very, very healthy.

Thank you.

Yeah. Um, Jen, thank you for doing this. I, I, I, I'm so excited you're here. This is a long time coming for me. You've been on my list since we started.

Oh, wow, this is exciting.

It's true. And I know we kind of know each other, and I love you too.

Do you?

Yeah, we worked together many times, uh, over the years on The Will Grace and something else 2. I can't remember what— did we? I think so.

You know what I realized? I'm so bad that, you know, you get to a point where you've done so much with so many people, and people are like, we did that like the other day. I— don't hate me— I was watching Monster-in-Law.

Oh my God.

And I, I forgot you were in it. I was like, what?

I'm going to do a podcast.

No, no, because it was just so long ago. I mean, I don't want to say how many years ago it was, but it was Wasn't that during Arrested Development, Willie?

You did that?

It was— that was 21 years ago. It was the summer of 2005.

21 years ago.

Wow. You know, um, Jennifer, as I'm admiring your beautiful printer in the background there, I then noticed that Sean, you've moved the award. Didn't you have an award?

Yes, because you made fun of me and I made fun of you.

Moved it?

Yeah, I did, but it's just right there.

Both of them.

But what about how Jen keeps it real? She's got a fucking printer in the background.

That's a business.

I'm in a hotel.

You are? Where? In New York.

I was here for the upfronts, so I'm just here.

No, but you know, you know, people like stack their awards behind them when they do Zooms.

Yeah, I do.

No, you don't.

But I, in my office at home, I have like a wall of all these awards and things.

All behind you for the Zoom.

They're just there. And then you sit at your desk and they're there.

You've got so many, you can't point to the camera. Where are you going to put them? Exactly.

Jason, where are you going to put them? In your office there? Or yeah. By the way, they're in the basement now.

Will's looking behind him. He can't fit them in the whisper booth.

I can't. There's not one. There's not one.

Why is it so dark in there?

I know. So that his tan pops.

This is my booth. But hang on a second.

I'm gonna show you. He's getting a nice bounce off his teeth, though.

The shorts.

I know.

The shorts.

Like, at what age do you stop wearing shorts?

First of all, look at these.

Oh, that's a hockey glove.

These are special Toronto Maple Leafs, limited Toronto Maple Leafs hockey gloves.

When has one of the Toronto Maple Leafs ever had a green hockey glove? They used to be the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Of St. Pat's when they first started. And then look at this, Jason, do you remember this? I've somehow kept this after all these years.

What is it? Is that the Wanamaker from the PGA Championship?

It's, it's called the VH1—

oh boy—

big, big in '04. And we got it, we went for arrested, and somehow I've kept this stupid huge trophy.

Wait, so we got one trophy and you got to keep it?

Yeah, obviously everybody elected me because they were like, who's the most deserving?

Is VH1 still going?

I don't know. Yeah, I think so.

Um, hey, Jonathan, welcome to the show. Yeah, question for the guest, please, Sean.

No, not at all.

Gotta break in.

Let's just chit-chat.

Well, it's, you know, but, but it's the thing about, like, we worked together 3 times on Will Grace, and the first time, God, did we laugh a lot. I mean, I was, I was kicking you and literally physically kicking you in the ass. Yeah, jumping in between your legs and, like, dancing like fools. It was ridiculously hilarious. And you were so game. And I think you're so game for so many things. And, you know, in researching—

Yeah, too many things sometimes.

No, no, no. But, you know, in doing all this research before today, you realize, oh, I don't really— I've never done a deep dive on you. We always have chitchat and have a good time, you know, and laugh.

Yeah. You never asked her anything important. You were just worried about yourself.

That's right. I was always like, when's the next question about me? But so before we get into it, I just want to say, I realized doing all this stuff how rare your kind of drive is, your work ethic, the ambition, the discipline. You've been doing it at such a high level for decades.

I mean, have you seen her documentary? That documentary is just— Yes, it's incredible. I think I had a chance to run into you after I saw it and said how much I love it. It's so impressive. I mean, not only just well-made, but the scope of it. I mean, your career is incredibly stacked.

It's amazing.

It's incredible.

Nonstop. And, and, and you— this is another thing we'll talk about later, but you, you, the thing you do for women in general, whether you do it intentionally or not— I'm sure some of it is intentional— you, you make them feel empowered. You show them that, that, that talent and beauty and sexuality, you can have all that at any age, and you're fearless about all that. How aware of— are you aware of how much permission that gives people, or are you too busy working to even think about it?

I'll say this. When I was starting out and I had just started doing, like, my clothing line— so I had been acting for a while and dancing and singing for a while, had my first records out and things like that. So this is— fuck, I don't know— 20 years ago. Yeah. And I was working with a few girls in my office who were, like, friends who I just hired, you know what I mean? And I remember saying— like, it was getting overwhelming. And I said, I just— this is too much. I hate this so fucking much. Why am I doing this? This is too much. And she goes, Jennifer, if you can't— and I probably had just went through some breakup and fucking everything had blown up in my face again. You know what I mean? And I was just like, I just don't know if I can go on. She goes, Jennifer, if you can't do it, none of us can do it. And when she said that to me, I never forgot it. And I thought to myself, oh, people look at— at me a certain way, especially girls, like women.

Yeah, inspiration for sure.

They're like— and it gave me like a feeling of responsibility to do things right all the time.

A responsibility you like or didn't want?

I don't mind it because I am a hard worker and I do have discipline. Like I started running track when I was, you know, I don't know, 8 or 9 years old and I was practicing every day. Like I always had kind of like an athlete's kind of drive and and work ethic.

That makes sense.

So I— yeah. And I did track for a while, gymnastics. I played softball. Like, I was very much an athlete before I fell in love with dancing. And once I fell in love with dancing, sports went out the window.

Right. Because it is a sport.

It is a sport. And it was just an easy transition. But also because I grew up on musicals with my mom and all of that, and I loved them so much. It was like I always wanted to sing and dance and act, but it when it took its natural time, I really, like, left everything behind and just fell in love with that. But that really made me feel— that exchange stayed with me even all these years later because it just made me feel like, "Don't fuck it up." Like, "Do the right things. People are watching you." For whatever reason, maybe because I was, you know, Puerto Rican and from the Bronx and came from— similar places where all these people, you know, people come from. You know, I wasn't like born in Hollywood and, you know, kind of that thing. And so there was a real—

Jason.

A real, like, idea in my mind of like, you have to do things right. Don't fuck it up, you know?

And work for it.

Yeah.

Yeah. And do it. Do it. Like, do the thing. Like, go for it.

Yeah. What was first for you? Was it an example? Of someone who was, um, just an incredible inspiration as far as their, um, their accomplishments? Was that first, or was it being inspired by, uh, seeing an incredible dancer or musician or actor? Or when you— when you were a little girl, what was the first thing that inspired you? Was it accomplishment, or was it a specific, um, talent?

No, it was— it It was the arts. Like, from when I was very little, I remember— you brought up Rita Moreno and you brought up West Side Story right before, as you were trying to guess who I was.

He always does. That's all he does. That's all he does is bring up Rita Moreno.

It really was Rita Moreno for me. Oh, really? Really? Yes.

Yes. I did want her to be my mom. Watching Electric Company, I said to my mother once when I was a tiny little kid, I said, I want her to be my mom.

Yeah. Yes. Who wouldn't? And she's so amazing. And the thing is, is like, I— I— my mom watched West Side Story in the theater when it first came out, and she made us watch it every single year. I don't even remember the first time I saw it. 3 years old, 4 years old, 5 years old. But I do remember watching it on TV one Thanksgiving, because it came on once a year, and thinking, that's what I want to do. I want to sing and dance and act. I want to dance around. I want to sing. And my mother was kind of that way as well, and very kind of vivacious. This take-over-the-room type of person. And I wasn't like that. I was more like my dad. I was more quiet and kind of like to myself. But that part I had. Like, I wanted to sing and dance and shake my ass too, you know?

Like my mom was singing.

I can just imagine you dancing and singing around like the living room and stuff like that, like kids do, 'cause like that's when we have no fear and no sense of, you know—

Dance like nobody's watching, you mean?

Right, but then there's that moment we all hit when we're about, I don't know, 10, 11, or something like that, where you start to become aware of shame and embarrassment and what other people might be thinking. And there's that transition that— it's almost a sad transition that you see kids go through where they become self-aware. But then, you know, you hope that they gather sort of coping skills to kind of have self-assuredness and to kind of push through that and have their confidence take over and to be able to push through that. Do you remember that moment where you stopped kind of dancing like no one was watching and you were aware people were watching? And were able to push through that?

I think this is what makes me a little different. Yeah.

That I was never—

That never happened?

No. I was never afraid to make a fool of myself. That's powerful. Like, I was always just like, it's fine. I fell down. And maybe that was part of the athlete part too. You know what I mean? Like, it was just like, you're gonna, you know, make mistakes. You're gonna fall. You're gonna do the— like, I was ready. I'm like, get back up. Very scrappy.

Part of learning. Part of success.

Yeah. Yeah.

We'll be right back.

And now back to the show.

I was thinking about when you started and really started to sort of break through, and I kind of want to get into what that was because I'm not sure I really know what that thing was.

I have questions about it.

Thank you, Sean. This is not your time. I'd like to reclaim my time. Jennifer, I wonder if you— If you know, like, the moment when you broke through, and you broke through on such a global level in such a way that is very, very rare, where everybody in the world knows who you are, and just bear with me, that you— that you have the moment where you— where that kind of dawns on you, the level of recognition and fame, and then you as a person, the gap of you catching up to that and being okay with that on that kind of a level. Do you remember that time? Was it a struggle kind of between you and it?

It was the worst. It was— honestly, it was the worst. It was— I had just done Selena.

Yeah.

And the movie came out, and I was still walking around, you know, Hollywood, like, going on auditions. Like, it was still that time.

Yeah.

But it had just come out, and I was walking down the street, and for the first time, somebody was like, "Hey! Hey!" And they come running towards me, and I thought, This motherfucker's gonna mug me? What the fuck is going on right now? Like, I got really nervous, you know what I mean? And I was just, you know, like any woman in the world, you know, we're threatened by other, so many things. Like, we're so scared all the time in a weird way. And I was just walking to the store from my apartment in LA, and it was just so jarring to me And then I realized they were like, I saw you in whatever. And I was like, oh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was like, I don't— but my thing was like, I don't know you.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know you. Like, what are you doing? Like, back up. Don't touch me. I was so scared. And I remember it dawning on me. I was like, oh, you're not anonymous anymore.

Right.

Yeah. Your anonymity is gone.

Yeah.

And I don't— and I think in my mind, I thought, you can't get that back. That's something that's lost forever. And I remember that's when I started having panic attacks and—

Oh, did you read about that?

Oh, it was a terrible time for me.

Yeah, can you talk about that? You were filming "Enough," right?

No, that was another time. That was when I overworked myself so bad.

That was a different time.

That was when I didn't realize my limits.

Yeah, but I read about that in preparation for this, and that's fascinating to me because I love medical stories. Can you say what happened and why?

Yeah. So that was the kind of getting used to, like, fame and realizing your life had changed in a way that you couldn't control anymore.

Or go back.

You can't go back. Yeah. They're always going to know. Somebody will always have seen Selena and somebody will always— and for whatever reason, that really freaked me out. And that took a minute. But what you're talking about is when I was doing enough. I think I had done like 4 movies in a row. And I had recorded my second album or something like that. So the J.Lo album, which was really big.

Yeah. Huge.

Huge. And what was like the J.Lo album. Right. And I was working, filming every day, as you guys know what that is, you know, all the hours. And then I would go into the studio at night. And then on the weekends, I like had junkets or video shoots. Or whatever. And I remember not clocking that I had worked, like, 98 days in a row without taking a day off. Right. Right. 'Cause we went back and counted it 'cause we were like, "What happened?" And one day I'm sitting in the— on the set of "Enough"— it's actually kind of bleh thinking about it. And I'm walking to the set every single time. And every time I walk to the set, I start getting a little— like, a little pitter-patter in my heart. Like, it's, like, rising. And I go and finally it got to the point I was like, I really feel nervous. And I had the little girl in Enough. Uh-huh. And I was like, I'm sorry, sweetie. I feel a little weird today. I said, a little tired or something. And she was like, it's okay. You're going to be all right. You know, she's like going like this to my face.

But I wasn't all right. And I went back to the trailer and I sat down and all of a sudden, like, I just couldn't see. Like, it was almost like I couldn't see clearly. Like, something just went over my eyes, and I couldn't move. And one of my girlfriends, who was my friend since the second grade, was my assistant. And she was like— so she has no— like, she doesn't know what— she didn't really know what she was doing too much. But we love dugging it out together and figuring it out and being together. And I said to her, um, Arlene, I can't move. I can't see. She goes, stop it, Jennifer, you're scaring me. And I go, no, I really can't move. I said, no, I can't move. You should get somebody. And she's like, stop, stop. I said, get B.O.B., my security guard. And she got him. And I was like, I can't move and I can't see. And I couldn't move. I was just paralyzed. And he picked me up. And put me in the car, and we went to the hospital. Wow. And it was crazy. And I said to the doctor, I said, "Am I going crazy?" And he said, "No, you're not crazy." It's exhaustion.

Yeah.

He's like, "You shut down." I remember, speaking of Monster-in-Law, I remember we were shooting a couple days downtown somewhere, and the level of attention— I remember you having to drive to set, and they had to put blinders on the thing for you to drive into. And there were photographers on the roofs of the building across the street. And I remember— And then they had base camp set up in this parking lot downtown. And I remember these dudes randomly putting cameras under the fence and just shooting like this, hoping to get somebody. And I thought, "Oh, my God. That is so—" And by the way, there are a lot of people who go like, "Oh, well, that's the price you pay for fame," and all that kind of bullshit. And you're like, "Oh, yeah? That's pretty rough, man." like you don't have a second.

Yeah, it can be really tricky. And you learn to kind of like live a certain way. Like, I don't go out all that much, you know? And I, I, you know, know where I can go. Yeah. To this day.

Yeah.

I have my, like, very small group of friends and they come over or we do things or we go on trips. But even when we go on trips, it's very curated and you have to learn because It's just— it's part of it. Jason calls photographers.

He lets them know they have his schedule. They have access to his iCal.

They never show. And they never show. Um, what about, uh, now that sort of surgical masks are so sort of, like, accepted in public and so commonplace now, do you ever enjoy that level of, you know, sort of finding anonymity?

No, I feel like people always know it's me, and I feel stupid. Like, if I put on a hat, like, too low— It's like, is that J.Lo? J.Lo? Yeah, she has a hat on. You know what I mean?

It's like stupid.

I put a mask on. They'll even recognize my voice sometimes if I'm just talking in a store. Like, I'll see people creep around the aisle like they heard me talking or something. I'm like, hi.

Did your friends call you J.Lo when you were a kid growing up?

No. No, not at all. Not at all. That was something that I always credit Heavy D. I don't know if you guys remember Heavy D.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course.

He's a rapper. Back in the day. And we all— all the Sony artists, there was a place called the Hit Factory here in New York. And all of us recorded there. A lot of people recorded there. It was a big studio. And we'd always— people would always come in and out, you know, to other people's studios. And I met Heavy at that time. And he was— he just always used to call me Jenny Lo. He's like, J-Lo, J-Lo, Jenny Lo. And I was like, I think I'm going to I'm gonna call my next album J.Lo. You know? I love that. That's so cool. Yeah, and that's kind of how it happened. It was really very simple. It just stuck.

When did Jenny from the Block come?

Well, I was gonna get to Jenny from the Block, yeah.

It was the next album. So that J.Lo was my second album. My first album was On the 6th. On the 6th. And my third album was This Is Me... Then. And that had Jenny from the Block on it.

Do you know you spawned how many people in the world probably refer to their friends Jennifer as Jenny from the Block? Like, we have this one— Oh my God.

Yeah, you do come across it. But also they all do their names. Oh, my people call me Ado. Or, you know, like they put their name together and stuff like that.

Jason would be Jaba.

Yeah, you'd be JB. And you're Seeha.

Seeha. Seeha. Seeha. It doesn't work.

It doesn't work. It doesn't roll off the tongue. So, but getting back to the when you were first starting? Because I think it's fascinating that you went from the time frame of In Living Color, which was, you know, its own story, which we could probably talk about forever, but In Living Color to Money Train to Selena. You, at that time, you really had to prove yourself as an actress, and you probably worked hard to do that, right? What did that period feel like when you look back on it where you're like, wait, how do I trans— how do I get people to take me seriously from dancing on In Living Color to— to being an actress?

Well, it's funny. My very first movie was a movie called My Family, Mi Familia, which Greg Nava did. Oh, right. And it had Edward James Olmos in it. That was the very first time I worked with him. And I played the matriarch, the young matriarch in the movie. And right from that moment, I think people seeing that little piece of tape, that really helped make the transition because it was a great little role. And I had to, like, I cross the river from Mexico into the thing and I'm like swimming and I'm like, I'm actiony and I'm crying with the baby and I'm like, it was like a great little juicy, it was a small role, but it was juicy. And with that piece of tape, people were like, oh, she can act. She's an actress. And I was, and I had worked on it before I did my first movie. I studied acting all throughout. And Living Color really brought me out to Los Angeles. And that's when I started like taking classes all the time. Reading all the books and doing all the things.

I love that. And then you did— God, I remember— This movie holds up. I love it so much. You're so great in Out of Sight.

Oh, thank you. Oh, my gosh.

That movie is so good. So good. San Francisco. Oh, you're so good in that. It's such a great movie. It really is. You really dragged Clooney along, you know, because— No, you did.

You launched something there.

You made Clooney look good. And I don't care if he hears this. You made them all good.

And that Soderbergh character.

And Soderbergh too. Yeah, yeah. Steven too. You really helped those guys out.

Yeah, I really helped him out.

No, but talk about that movie, if you will, just a little bit, because that was like a real— that movie really went like, huge. She knows what she's doing. Yeah. I mean, you already were, but—

Yeah, I was excited. Listen, I got really lucky in the beginning of my career to work with some really great directors. Steven Soderbergh, Oliver Stone, Francis Ford Coppola. I worked with Robin Williams. It was a It was a really beautiful, beautiful beginning to an acting career for me, for sure. Yeah, and working on Out of Sight, it was funny. The thing I remember the most about Out of Sight was one of the things is Steve Zahn, 'cause we had like one of the most epic nights ever singing musical theater. I think I was singing to him and telling him I was gonna be a singer, and he was like, "Yeah, right." I was like, "I am, I am. I'm working on my album right now." Like, I was so young kind of like goofy and whatever. And he— but I also remember, like, the auditioning process for that. And going— I remember the last— like, I read for Steven, and he was like, "I think I like—" He's talking to George, like, "I like this girl Jennifer Lopez to play this role." And he was like, "Okay." And they had me go do, like, a chemistry read.

And I had to drive to George's house. And I remember getting there, and there was a pig in the front yard. I was like, this is some real Hollywood shit. This is some weird stuff.

The Henrich von Kahn collecting the mail.

Yeah, he had his pig. And we were there. And we read on the couch together, literal casting couch. And we just had this chemistry that really worked. And Steven just loved it, and I got the role. And I was so happy because it was a really great role as well.

Did you get it there in the room? Yeah, I think—

yeah, by the time I got home, they had called my agent and said that, you know, they wanted me.

Oh, that's so nice.

That's great. How do you— with so much ability across, you know, mediums, how— and anything that you basically declare you're going to do, it's going to find financing and it's going to find an audience. How do you decide what to do? If anything is a viable direction, like, I mean, you could start a musical tomorrow or you could do another album or you could finance, you could start a movie. You could act in that movie, direct that movie.

You could open a bank. You could do it.

You could really do it. You could start, yeah, you could start like a cupcake store down the street that would become a—

I do have cookie dough that I call J-Dough. There you go. Oh, for real? That is the best chocolate cookies in the world. I want some. And one day I'm going to make this. I'm going to share it with the world because it's so good.

But you don't sell it yet?

No, no. Well, that's a mistake.

This is— we can announce it today. Leave the money on the table.

It's going to be J-Do.

I want it. We love chocolate chip cookies around here. Truly.

So how do you decide where to point your energy and your assets?

You know, it's funny you ask that question because I don't think— I think one of the things about about my career, and sometimes, you know, there's— in any long career, there's ups and downs. You swing for the fences and you, you know, fail, and then there's times when it's just like, you know, it just— you just hit it out of the park. And right now, I think I just didn't ever realize that I had that kind of power. I always felt, again, like the scrappy one kind of trying to make it.

And erring on the side of humility and not assuming. Filming something till you're sure. I, I think that's, that's, that's a healthy place to be.

And it did serve me in certain ways, but in other ways I always felt like whatever I got was good enough instead of going, wait a minute, is this the right thing to do right now, or is that the right— it was just kind of like work, work, work, work, work, work, work. I'm working, I'm working, I'm working. And I think it wasn't just, just now, as I'm— my kids are about to leave to college in about a few months.

They're 18. Don't make me cry.

Okay. Wow. I'm with you. Yeah. And they're twins, so they're both leaving at the same time. It's just going to be me by myself. And I'm looking at like what I really want to do. And for the first time in my life, I've really taken more control of exactly what you're saying. Like, what do you really want to do? Like, do you want to direct? Do you want to do musicals? What have you not done that really feels fulfilling to you? Because I actually have realized that I do have that, that I have earned that over these years. And I should be very— I want to be very intentional about what I do over these next 4 or 5 years.

You can take agency over your own life and—

Yeah, and also, like, give myself a pat on the back, which I never did. I never do and I never did.

You should. Yeah. Where I go, you know what?

You created this. That little girl with, like, I always say this, with like holes in her shoes in the Bronx. You know what I mean? I used to wear my sneakers down where this part of my foot was out all the time. I'm sure that's gonna be a meme.

If I asked you right now, what do you really love and value most in your life, I'm sure that you would say your kids. But if I narrowed that to what your career represents for you, what is— sort of in a pursuit of like trying to find an answer for what you would want to do next or your next chapter to be, what is it that you would what do you enjoy the most that your career has provided you? Is it respect? Is it— Endless possibility. Yeah. Okay.

I think it's that I have opened up an avenue for myself where there's endless possibility, and I can really create a new dream right now for myself. Yeah, for sure. And I just moved into a new house. Like, everything in my life has changed over the past couple of years. I moved into a new house. What happened? Babe. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Oh, that's for another time. It's a different podcast.

That's a different— Right, right. Guys, keep rolling.

Guys, keep rolling. Keep rolling. You come over. We have a glass of wine. And you come to the new house. And it's amazing. And I, like, built my little corner of the world dream house. I got my kids some horses. We have stables. Oh, that's great. Like, I was like, please come home. Please come back home to your horses. There's horses here. Um, and just really thinking about, like, with all this change, it's actually been a very emotional time for me, um, where, yes, I'm crying because they're leaving, but I'm also, like, staring down, like, what is my life now? The past 20 years, it's been one thing. The past 5 years has been a tumult, you know? And then the last 2 years has been kind of the healing process from that tumult where I really got to know myself. And I'm— the person I am today is so different than the person I was even 2 years ago. It's crazy. And now I can really look at my life, appreciate it for what it is, and what I've created for myself, and be really happy. And both my kids, like, got into all their colleges, and they both got scholarships, and they're going where they want to go.

And it's just— I was like, you did that shit all by yourself. That's great. Like, you had very little help. We'll be right back.

And back to the show.

I was just going to say, I think it's awesome that the way you talk about it and you seem so sort of clear-headed and calm, knowing— we sort of joke about it, about about how much people perceive or think that they know about your life and what you've gone through and all that kind of stuff. And you have to kind of put that in a weird place because you— Right? That people have this sort of thing that they think, but you have to actually go through it. And like you said when you started, you're just a human being, and people forget that. You know what I mean? Like, they— It's so crazy to me because we don't really understand other people's experiences unless we walk in their shoes.

Right. And there's also, I think— I don't mean to cut you off, Willie, But I do think, you know, we're all aware of, and some of us are friends with, some people that have like this enormous level of celebrity and exposure that actually enables the ability for, enables them to stay exactly who that is for kind of as long as they want. In other words, there's this real permissive culture around celebrity, and you don't kind of have to be the best part of you, and you don't have to grow. Like, you know what you just said, Jennifer, that, you know, the, the past 2 years has been about the healing, and that you're, you're, you're, you're, you're so different now than you were even 2 years ago, 5 years ago. Do you recognize that that's— that that can be a real accomplishment for somebody in your position? Like, I think that's a real great attaboy, that you've clearly put in time and work and self-reflection. And yeah, you could have just kind of just kept eating the junk food of, of the permissive culture around you and just kind lean back, but you're— it sounds like you're leaning into, who am I gonna be for this next chapter?

Yeah.

What have I learned, etc., etc.? 100%. I— again, there's been different times where I felt like, whether people outside knew it or not, where I feel like my life blew up in my own face. And it was because of the choices I made, but also because of the fact that I had things that needed to change about myself. Myself that I didn't understand or recognize that was attracting certain things and attracting a certain type of experience into my life. And I really needed— I fight— honestly, it's that thing where— and you can go either way. You're right. It is a choice. So I want to give myself that credit too. But there comes a point where it's all so puzzling and wrong where you have to sit there. And after my last divorce, I just sat there and I was like, I canceled my Torah and I sat there and I was just like, you need to fucking figure yourself out. What is going on with you? Forget about everybody else. There's nobody to blame here except yourself in a certain way. Not that people don't behave in a way that's not great, but what are you doing?

What do you have going on? And that was a turning point for me. And that was a couple of years ago now.

I had the same thing about 2, 3 years ago. Maybe I've told you guys this in private before, but I had a moment before I got into real therapy a couple of years ago where one day I was making coffee in the morning, and I swear to God, and I went— I remember distinctly what was happening. Oat milk. Not the date. Oat milk. Oat milk. Big oat milk decision. And I remember, and I went, I said out loud to myself, It's you, right? And I had this real— I was like, oh my God, I need to do some work. I go, it's me.

But by the way, everybody needs to do that at some point in your life.

By the way, everybody goes through this. I mean, it's all sort of relative. There's part of being human, right?

Part of being human is we all have things that blow up. We get these parents, they do the best they can, or they do as much as they can. They form certain parts about ourselves. And then our journey is kind of the undoing and the healing of those things, of the patterns that that created. And so in doing and looking at those patterns, I was able to kind of like go back to that little girl and really look at her and go, that little 7-year-old girl, like I said, with the ripped nightgown, like I can see her right now with it, like my hair was like up to here and it was about the same color. And you know what I mean? Dirty feet walking around barefoot all the fucking time. Yeah. Yeah.

And I was like, barefoot now.

You, you, yeah, just like that. Still nothing's changed. Yeah. Um, still Jenny from the Block. And, and just kind of like going, you did this. Yeah. You, you did all this. Yeah. Give yourself a little fucking something. Like a little love. Right. Stop looking for love in other things. Yeah. And give it to yourself.

Like, give it to yourself. Yeah, there's so much to love in you. Yeah, yeah. I agree. Yeah.

And you don't see it because you're in this business and everybody's telling you you're bad at this and you're bad at that. And they're scrutinizing and criticizing your personal, your professional life. And you're not doing this enough, or you didn't choose that right movie, or that song didn't do as good as the last one. And you're like, And it plays on you. And it plays on those places that were reinforced when you were younger of, like, whatever it is, the impressions that were made on you because of the way you were loved or cared for in different ways. And it's just— it's all so intertwined. And I find it very interesting. And I love it because I really do believe people are capable of change. Because I've experienced it.

Same, 100%. And a lot of that fuel for change comes from that self-love, but that self-love is often so hard for all of us to kind of recognize and utilize because it's hard to see 'cause we're living with ourselves every day. You know, you kind of get used to some of the things that you really should be taking a second to be pleased with about yourself. It's like you can't see your own hair grow, right? Like, you see your son break in.

Also, people don't understand what it is to love yourself, like to understand, to whatever you want. And I think having kids for me changed a lot of that because I realized whatever I want to give them, like, why wouldn't I give that to myself?

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why don't I appreciate those things about— why don't I, you know, if you want respect from people, you have to respect yourself. Those are actions, right? Like, those are real tangible things. And being— my sister said to me once, Linda, who I think is so smart, and she was She was like, "When are you gonna be your own keeper? You keep everybody else. You take care of Mom, you take care of me, you take care of the kids, you take care of everybody who works for you. You take care— When are you gonna be your own keeper?" And I was just like, "Yeah." And these are all little pieces. I feel like the journey is like pieces, pieces, little puzzle pieces that you fit in little by little as you, like, sit there with the oat milk and go, Me. This fucking thing that just happened?

Me. And you mentioned the kids. I sort of realized also that, like, that act of the way that we love our kids, for me anyway, my experience is that act of being loving to them allows— the reason it feels so good is because you're generating that and then you get it back. And it's when you close off and you don't act in a loving way, pushing— I find the more I push out, the more it comes back. And so, like, with my kids, that's why it feels so good. Because you're creating that as opposed to kind of rolling up the window on it. Do you know what I mean?

Absolutely. No, I agree. And the kids are a great learner, but relationships are great, you know, kind of learning grounds as well, where you really get to face yourself. If you get lucky enough to be with somebody who actually really cares and loves about you in the right way, there's a lot you can learn from each other, even if things don't work out. You know what I mean? But Jason, I'm sorry I cut you off. I was just like, had to get that thought out before I moved on.

No, no, I was kind of done. I was just saying it's— I was making some dumb metaphor or analogy to not being able to recognize your own hair growing because we see ourselves in the mirror every single day. But if you don't see somebody for a few weeks, they go, "Oh, your hair's gotten long." "Your hair's gotten long." "You have a beard." Yeah, right. Like, you can't really see the things inside of you that you probably should be—

You've got the greatest hair of all time.

I was trying to back into a compliment. Thank you.

Jason's got the greatest hair.

You really do.

He's got the greatest. It's unbelievable. You know what, Jennifer, you want to know something? He hasn't put a comb or a brush in it since he was 11. That's a true story.

Stop. And he doesn't color it.

He doesn't color it. Also true.

He's so handsome. Amazing, guys. You know, I mentioned it before, Jen. It's like, you know, the— well, maybe I didn't mention it. I think I mentioned in the intro where you left home when you were really young and you slept in a dance studio or something as a kid. I did. As a girl. I have done the craziest things.

I know.

But don't you look back at that with everything we're talking about now and giving yourself and loving yourself, looking at that and going, wow, I was sleeping on the floor of a studio on my own, not even living at home. Yeah. And look what I've done. Like, it's kind of—

it's just mind-blowing. It's crazy because my mom and dad, like, I was about to start college or I was— I had just done a semester of college and I was just I had a dream that I'm gonna be in show business. And they were like— we lived in the Bronx. We— you know, they were like, "This crazy bitch." And I was just like, "No, Dad." And my mom was like, "You're not dropping out of college. You are crazy. You know how much we do so you can go to college." And my dad was like, "Did you have a dream? Really?" I said, "Daddy, I did. I really did." Anyway, the next few months was tumultuous, and I wound up leaving the house. And I kept skipping. I stopped going to class at college and I was going to the dance studio and literally taking class all day. I just—

To be a lawyer? So fallen in love with it.

I was, yeah, I wanted to be a lawyer. I worked in a law office for a few years during high school and I was like really good with numbers and taxes and things like that. And I don't know, I just could feel, I was just good at it and they loved me and I, And I just was on this track to be a lawyer. And— Wow. I was going to apply to law school, whatever, whatever. I don't know. Anyway.

Yeah, I mean, it's wild to know that.

Yeah. Yeah. It didn't happen. And I decided to, like, go sleep on the dance floor. I needed somewhere to go when me and my mom had a big falling out. And I called the dance teacher. And I said, you know, can I come stay? I'll sleep on the couch at the dance studio. And he said, "Yeah." Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. Wow. He liked me, but yeah.

Do you still have a talent for numbers and bookkeeping and that type of thing? Like, are you involved with your— No. Or do you just kind of just let— you just—

No, I'm smart about it, but I— and I've always been very attuned with my business managers, like not to let my money get away from me.

But you're not like playing the markets and like, you know, with looking on the stock pages and like—

I do some investing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because like some people I know, they really like— they handicap companies kind of like horses, and they really follow that.

Yeah, no, I don't. No, I don't. I don't. But— and I, I left that behind and probably can't, you know, do multiplication now. My kids' math is too hard for me when I try to help them.

But you know what I just read the other day? Um, this should be good.

A Giving Tree, a page of a book.

They don't teach cursive anymore in school. I just haven't done it for like the last few years. I know. Why is that? Well, I guess because typing is such a big—

I know, but like, but we don't write anymore, right? But you gotta sign your name and stuff. I, I— exactly.

Like, what is their name in kindergarten, I think, and that's it.

And that's it. We're done.

Next chapter. How's everybody's handwriting? Self-assessment on your handwriting.

Oh, it's terrible because you don't get to practice it.

But I know Jason Bateman, my brain works faster than my hand, so I can't, you you know, right?

I also, when I have to write a birthday card, I'm like, this is horrendous. Wait a minute. Yeah, it's crazy. Do you do all caps?

Do you do all caps?

I do like a hybrid. It's terrible.

Yeah, me too. It's a hybrid. Yeah, what's happened?

Start every sentence in cursive and then end up going— yeah, just for legibility alone. I want people to understand what the hell I'm writing.

Um, so true. Okay, so this is like— I'm gonna just— because I— we're almost at speed round. Speed round. Speed round. So we're gonna do like a little tiny something speed round. If, if you—

we need to get to your section, Sean, to try to introduce to the podcast your music career, which is just massive.

And I've been said, I know every other song that you've ever recorded, and I just think it's incredible. I mean, thank you.

You know, it's pretty insane. I just had a number one dance record like a few weeks ago. Yes. Yeah, I had a new record called Save Me Tonight. And, um, I went and I performed it at Coachella. And after that, like, went to number 1.

That's amazing. It's amazing. It is amazing.

Had you done Coachella before?

Never. It was my first time at Coachella.

Was it— was it a— was it a freaky big experience, or was it, um— It's massive. It's big.

And it's— I'd never been. I didn't know what it was like or whatever. But you have all these people, and I And I hadn't done a dance record in a long time. And David Guetta had this record. And I was going out on tour last summer to do like a little limited tour overseas. And I was like, I need some new songs. Like, I'm tired of performing the same old songs. So I did like 5 new records.

By the way, we're not tired of those songs.

Thank you. No, I still do them. I still do them. I did like 5 new records, 3 of them like 4, yeah, 4 or 5 new records. And I put them in the show just for that. And this one kind of popped off. And so we released it a couple months ago or something.

And what about videos? People still make videos, right? They do.

They do. But it's not the same. Do you? Yeah. I don't really even feel like I need to sometimes. Do you guys—

do you have to pay for them?

I do. I do. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's different. Like, when I started, they'd spend millions of dollars on videos, like $1 million, $2 million for big budget videos. Videos. You know, Michael Jackson, Janet used to do like $7 million videos. Right. I remember that. But now because of streaming and how the record business has changed since I started, it's like a whole different world. You have to shoot them on your iPhone yourself. $100,000. They sometimes they give you $75,000. It's, it's really a different thing.

And that's to promote the album that you have a limit.

Probably through social media too.

Yeah. Right. And it's, and it's not even your album. It's the label's album and you're the way the music industry runs nowadays, correct me, most of the income for the artist comes from touring as opposed to album sales.

Is that right? Absolutely. Yeah. Now, speaking of touring, you've done— you toured forever. You didn't— obviously massive, massive shows your whole life. You know I love horrible theater stories. You might not know this, but give me, give me something that happened on a tour that just went horribly wrong and that's funny.

Well, I don't know if you saw this, this—

it was— oh yes, I know what you're gonna say. I know what you're gonna say.

The thing on my neck. Did you see it?

No, I saw— no, I thought you're gonna say when you fell.

No, that, that happened, but that wasn't on tour. That was on television. Oh, that's right. And it ran on CNN for the next 3 days while my fucking coccyx was fucking on fire, right? And it was just like— it was awful. But no, I was gonna say this summer on tour, I was—

I was— I just wrote 3 Jokes. Sorry, I'm not doing any of them. There's a coccyx on fire, and, you know, take pills for it and all this stuff.

Never mind.

Yes. This summer when I was on tour, I don't remember where I was. Oh, God. Which actual date it was. But I was there, and I was— I might have been in Spain because I was singing a Spanish song. And it was like the slow moment in the show, you know? Although usually I'm dancing around and doing the choreography. Photography in, like, a fucking bikini and a G-string and whatever, right? Whipping my hair around, and it's a good time. And, um— Same, same, same. And, um, so I'm standing there fully dressed, and I have this thing on. It's, like, outfit on, and I'm singing, and it's really quiet. It's just a spotlight on me. And I don't know, like, all during the show, I was seeing, like, little bugs and things around. But, you know, we're outside, so I guess— Oh, yes, I did see this. Reacted to the light. Yeah. And so everything is dark except for me. And I'm singing, and as I'm singing, the audience starts screaming. And usually they do react in this moment because I stop, and it's a slow song, and they usually clap and whatever before I do the little last line.

I do, like, a dramatic pause. Right. But this time they're, like, clapping a lot and screaming, "Ha ha ha!" And I was like, "What's happening?" I'm standing there and this huge bug is just crawling up my neck. And I feel it. And I thought it was hitting me and going away and hitting me and going away. But when you see the thing, it's just, it starts like down here and it just goes, "Yerp." And it lands up right here. And I just feel it a little bit, but I was, I just stayed really still and I finished the song, the last line. And then I just go,— and it flies into the light like that. And I saw it, I was like, what the fuck was that? A fucking helicopter. It looked like a helicopter.

It was crazy. I love that.

But that was crazy. But it was kind of horrible. Like, if I would have known it was that, I probably would have been screaming and yelling.

And no, no. Um, okay, uh, 3, 3 final little things. What's the most Bronx thing about you that's never left, no matter where life has taken you?

I, I can't stop I try.

Okay, great. I love that.

I have potty mouth.

It's terrible. And then I love it. And then, by the way, I'm telling you, you know this, Jen, already, but I'm saying to Jason and Will, did you guys know that Google Images is because of Jennifer Lopez? What do you mean? That Google didn't have Google Images until that green Versace dress, and then everybody Googled it. So then Google's like, we don't have anywhere for people to see images. A search engine. A search engine. So they invented Google Images because of Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez.

Yeah. Isn't that wild? Sergey has, you know, that he's been asked that after that. He's like, yes, that is absolutely true. Jennifer, when she walked the red carpet in that dress, everybody wanted to have a picture of it and we didn't have any Google search pics, anything. So we invented it. Sue them.

Sue them. They're so rich. Sue them.

I was like, don't I deserve some money for that?

Yeah, for sure. For sure. We got some good lawyers. Okay.

And then we got to plug this because I can't wait to see it. Office Romance comes out June 5th on Netflix. Yes, you, Brett Goldstein. He wrote it with you in mind, right?

Yeah, super funny, Brett Goldstein.

He's funny, but I love his brand, his brand of like writing where it's like really kind of hard jokes but with this wholesomeness at the end of the day. It's just, it's really— I think you guys will like this one.

Okay, good. I can't wait.

It's made for guys and girls, not just the romantic comedy for like girls. And then this is really cool.

Edward James Olmos, who was your dad in Selena, is your dad in this movie. He is.

And I got to tell you, when we filmed with him and he walks in on this, like, board meeting, and it's the first time you see him. And when he walks in, like, all the cast and all the extras that were in the board meeting were like, you know, kind of like— he has such a commanding presence. But even more than that, when we screened it for the first time, And he walks in, and his first line is, "Hot damn!" with that really deep voice. And people just started clapping in the theater. "Oh, my God, she's Edward James Olmos!" And I think part because he was my dad in Selena, of course, but also because it's just like, it's Edward James Olmos, you know? And it was great. It was great to get to work with him again. He's amazing.

And speaking of musicals, I love Kiss of the Spider Woman. I can't believe it was your first movie musical ever. You need to do more. And second of all, are you— I read somewhere you're going to do Bye Bye Birdie, but that was a while ago.

That was a while ago. That was a while ago. Do you remember when they were doing like these musicals on TV? Oh yeah. Yeah.

Carrie Underwood.

Are you asking if Sean remembers? Yeah, I did Hairspray Live with Ariana Grande.

That's right. That's right. So when they did those, they were talking about doing Bye Bye Birdie, but then it kind of went away. Well, make it happen again. I don't know. We'll see.

You'd be great, Rosie. You'd be a great Rosie.

I would be a great Rosie.

Trust me, I practiced all the songs. But they could change it to everything is JLo. Yeah, they could. Um, all right, well, honey, thank you so much for being here.

You guys are great.

Thank you so much. It was very cool of you to do this, Jennifer.

Thank you so much. Not at all. Ever since you did it that one day and I walked into the podcast, I was like, I've got to do that one day. That's right.

That's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, I'm sure you're off to go do something. What are you doing in New New York?

I was doing the upfronts. Um, right now I'm editing. I'm working on an edit for the— I just did a residency in Vegas, and I did a new show, a brand new show, the J.Lo Show, which you would love, because what I did was combine my hits with musical theater inspirations of mine. I know it sounds like it wouldn't work, but it worked amazing.

Wait, but, but is that— but it's a, it's, it's, it's a residency where you just filmed it for Paramount Plus and for, uh, CBS.

And so I'm, I'm editing— we're editing that now.

I can't wait to see that.

Yeah, I can't wait to see that.

Yeah, that's very cool. Yeah, busy as ever.

Busy as ever. Doing my thing. Keep going. Singing, dancing, showgirl.

It's really so impressive, Jennifer. Yeah, it really is.

Keep going. Thank you. Yeah, it's amazing. You guys are—

it's amazing. So kind.

Thank you. Yes. Um, we'll see you soon. I'll see you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye-bye.

Bye, honey. That's a big star.

That is a massive— come on.

I mean, when I was reading about her, it's just— you go, oh yeah. Oh wait. Yeah. Oh wait.

She's not a star. That's a megastar.

That's a megastar. That documentary is pretty stunning. I mean, it takes you all the way through it.

Everything that she's done.

Who can do— who does everything?

Yeah. But it's also so incredibly well earned. It's not because there's— Yeah, she works hard. Some sort of celebrity manipulation or something. She's, she's like, no, she does everything and does it at such a high level, and people are, you know, paying for it, and they're, they're supporting it, and they're coming. Like, she's just—

and, and she has this sort of, as I was saying, like this sort of this coolness and this calmness and this, and this like knows who she is clearly, right? And it's like so comfortable. And again, I was kind of getting at that thing of like we all think that we know know, right? And who people are. I remember, I remember watching— remember that Tiger Woods documentary came out a couple years ago? And it started, and I remember turning it off because I was thinking like, I don't think he wants me to know all this stuff. Do you know what I mean? Oh, right. Yeah, yeah.

Tiger Woods wants you to know all that stuff?

But just anything about people, when any people just talking shit, like, we don't know anything about it. I thought you were saying no, no, until we hear from what their experience is. We don't really know.

And she just seems so purposefully aware of her beginnings, of her roots, and is constantly staying in touch with the people that she surrounds herself with. And so that's probably why she's so on it.

Seanie, Seanie, I mean, that was a great get.

Oh, awesome. Great get. And there's no way you would be lazy to work in the "Bye-bye birdie" thing at the end there of your questioning. I hadn't even thought of that.

Thought about it.

No, no, no.

I think you've used bye-bye birdie before many times.

We'll just wait.

We'll wait for something a little bit better. Yeah, I know.

If you need a Google search or something.

Yeah, if there's something that needs to come up, you know what I mean, that you—

well, the bye-bye birdie thing is real because she, she was—

no, we know it's real, but like maybe if there was something— set yourself up like that. No. Yeah, you know what I mean? There's got to be some type of way typing and just I was trying to think.

Well, you guys know, um, from her album This Is Me.

Sure. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Oh, wait, what do you say? Favorite? What do you mean? Her 2002 record This Is Me? Yeah. Then?

Yeah, this is me then. Yeah. And you guys know this would be now? Yeah, this is me now. Yeah. You have a favorite song from that? Yeah, yeah, it's so good. It's called Never— it's called Never Good.

Oh, you sneaky son of a Bye, birdie. You're so bad.

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