Transcript of Paul McCartney New

Oh, hi there, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Boy, we have, uh, well, the most famous person in this studio and probably the most famous person I've ever met, uh, Sir Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney is here, the Liverpudlian who was in the Beatles and in Wings and in our lives for our whole lives. And, um, we, we're gonna talk about a lot of great things today. We're gonna talk about whether or not Paul was taller than John. We're going to talk about Paul's love of animals. We're going to discuss what makes a great breakfast and how many berries are involved. And we are going to talk about Paul's new music, Boys of Dungeon Lane, the, the rerelease and new songs that have just recently come out, special edition. We're going to get into music in general. Of course, it is Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney is music. Before we do this, we always like to speak to somebody who knows our guest, Uh, is a fan of our guest, or in this case is the daughter of our guest. And we are speaking today to Stella McCartney. Stella McCartney, a huge talent, fashion designer, incredible creative mind who is just so funny and warm and witty and smart.

And we got the opportunity to talk to her, and we're gonna see if Stella is gonna give us a good Question for her dad. So, Stella? This episode of Good Hang is presented by PayPal. Brighten up the start to the festive season by getting ahead of the holiday rush. Shop your favorite online stores with PayPal this holiday, like Sephora for gift sets, Target for toys and electronics, and TikTok Shop for fashion, apparel, and gadgets. Check out with the flexibility to pay now or pay later and split your payments with Pay in 4 with no interest, no late fees. Shop now with PayPal. Pay in 4 subject to approval. Learn more at paypal.com/payin4. PayPal Inc., NMLS 910457.

What do you say?

It is so good to talk to you. I'm sorry, we were having some technical difficulties.

Oh no, that's good. We were having some technical difficulties also.

Am I speaking to you in England?

Yes.

Hi, Stella.

Hi, Amy. I actually like you a lot. I can't believe it took this to get us together.

I know. I've had the pleasure of being invited and dressed by you, but I've been— I've had the chance to go to many events where you have been, um, Where we've— I've had like a very quick drive-by, and every time I've gotten a chance to spend time with you, I've really wanted more because I'm such a fan of you, your work, your creativity, how you conduct yourself in the world. And it's really, really nice to talk to you today. Thank you for talking to us.

Likewise. Wow, that was a bit serious. That freaked me out.

Yeah, it got very serious.

Never do that again. Never.

I know you Brits. You Brits, you can't— one compliment and you guys get really—

Honestly, I nearly— I vomited a time. I know.

Well, you know, get used to it.

I am great. I'll take it.

Are you in the middle of a show right now? Are we—

what are we— It's perfect timing. Thanks for that. I have a show in about 3 days in Paris. I'm not busy at all, Amy. So, you know, with the time difference and everything, it's perfect. It's brilliant. I was kind of wondering what I'd do tonight, and this just filled the hole.

I mean, what I imagine is going through your mind right now with 3 days to go, but at 3 days to go before a show, what is left to do? Is it everything?

Pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah.

I mean, we, we only started last night, so I've got a lot of little— actually, I've got children I'm using to help stitch some things now. They're not my own. She jokes, she jests. Obviously, I'm a sustainable, cruelty-free fashion brand.

You grew up on a farm, right?

I did.

What was it like to grow up on a farm? What were your morning jobs? What did you have to do in the morning?

Wow. Well, in Scotland, with my siblings, it was normally just self-entertainment. I used to take rocks and bang them on other— and I'm not joking. I used to take rocks and I'd bang them on other rocks. That's about it, really. No, I— we did a lot of horse riding, but rocks on rocks.

Yeah. And did you have to— did you, like— I'm gonna admit something. This is a very, like, suburban city girl thing I'm gonna admit, so you might think less of me. Have you ever reached in under a hen to get an egg?

Oh, I did it all the time. Yeah, yeah. And never particularly enjoyable. Not really one of my— a little scary.

I would be a little afraid to get— do you have to ask the hen to move first, or do you—

Permission. Yeah. In fact, not many people know this about me, but I'm very good at impersonating chickens.

Really? Can we hear?

So I'm quite good at— I can converse with a chicken, amongst many other things. Um, I said, so I'm, I'm bilingual in that respect, but I did have to go out and get the eggs when I was young.

Well, your parents, um, were like— it just seemed like they wanted so much to create a beautiful like peaceful and loving childhood for you. And, you know, it seemed like that's what they gave you. And I'm talking to your dad today, and you've probably spent the entirety of your life having people ask you questions and talk to you about your dad. And I, I, I wonder what it is like to have to kind of share your parents with the world.

Yeah, it, it, yeah, it is quite weird. I mean, I've only ever known that, to be honest. Yeah. It's not like I've had another sort of experience. That is my experience. And it's, definitely trippy and weird and surreal. But I think also I was brought up— it was very extreme. You know, we were on a farm, it was just the 6 of us, and we were like in a tiny— all in one room, and Mum was cooking and Dad was shearing sheep and writing songs. And then we were on tour, you know, with like 200,000 people screaming at your parents.

Yeah, you all went on tour together.

Yeah.

Oh, how fun, how fun.

Yeah, I was kind of angry when I was 18 because I was building and I was kind of getting into the swing of my own thing. And I was like, what, really? We have to go on a world tour? But it was— it's amazing. It's actually one of the most— I think the biggest privileges actually of being in my situation is being able to just truly see the world from, you know, from that perspective. Just to travel and to see so many different cultures and people. And also, it was all very much built from love. You know, everything that my mom and dad did was like— came from a place of love. But I'm also not— Particularly like a look-at-me type, if you can believe it. So actually, when I went— for me, going into fashion was a more creative way of doing things than just standing slightly behind the kind of spot. You know, I'm not an entertainer. She says, imagine if I broke into song right now.

Well, we did hear a chicken impression earlier. We did hear that impression.

Well, let me hear your chicken. What's your animal? Go on, I'll give you— I'll be kind. What's your best animal?

I don't know. I don't know.

Everyone knows their best animal. Jesus.

I don't— my best animal. Okay, you know what? Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try a cat for you.

Wait, is this the first time you've ever impersonated a cat?

In public? Yes.

Wow. Okay. Well, you're

welcome. And here's how I feel about cats. They're fine. I don't love them. I don't hate them. Of course,

that's a cat at the door. Wait a minute.

All right, here we go.

Okay, go. The beginning was very good.

I think people are laughing because it's so good. But you bring up something that I think is very interesting. A lot of people that have public-facing jobs are actually kind of secretly introverted. People would probably be surprised to hear that you consider yourself at times introverted.

I mean, I don't think— I wouldn't say I'm introverted. That's going a little far. I'm just not And I, look, my example of an extrovert is Paul McCartney. So it's not like, oh, I'm an introvert. I mean, I'm not, compared to him, I'm an introvert. You know, I grew up with around SNL comedians. So I, you know, some of those, as you know better than anything, are extrovert and others really aren't, but they're still performers.

Yeah. You know, I wanna talk to your dad about that 'cause he's around SNL all the time. I mean, he's basically—

I can't get rid of him. I'm like, again? Really? Jesus, play hard to get a little bit. Do it. No, I am, I actually went to SNL I went to the one, um, the end of last season. It was great. It was really good fun with Will Ferrell. So he had Will on. I was like, I am coming, because obviously— and I saw Will on your show. You guys were brilliant. Um, and I was like, Dad— and on the way over there, I was, I was talking. I said, Dad, you please tell me you're gonna like get Will on and to do the cowbell. Yes. And he was like, what cowbell? I'm like, what? What cow— like, you know the cowbell sketch? Anyway, so then he did, but then he got Will to do cowbell.

He did.

Again, you're welcome.

Thank you, Stella.

He didn't really give me credit, which is annoying.

Well, I mean, I want to talk to him about Lorne and that relationship at SNL because you're right. I mean, he was around a lot, and their affection for each other is very sweet. Like, they've— you know, I mean, honestly, you know, you get to a point in life where you become— you know, you're friends with people for 40, 50, 60 years, and there's so much history there. And it's really sweet to hear that talk about each other?

They are very, very good old friends, actually. I mean, they do yoga. You've heard about Yoga Boys, right?

I like that you call them Yoga Boys.

They're the Yoga Boys. They call themselves the Yoga Boys. Honest to God, actually, no, I must get them t-shirts for Christmas. Yoga Boys. Not even Yoga Men. Yoga Boys.

Yes, because they're always learning. They're in a— they're in a beginner's mind.

Childlike, for sure.

So, um, What is a question I should ask him? Like anything, like a story that he would want to tell or something you still don't know about him or anything you think I should not talk to him about? That's always helpful too.

No, he's pretty, he's pretty approachable, I would say. Yeah, I mean, I can think of things that you shouldn't ask him, but you won't ask him those. And if you do, it'll be hilarious to watch. I'm just gonna watch that unfold, quite frankly. I've got 2 questions. Am I allowed 2 questions?

Yes, of course.

The first one I think is, is, um, I guess I just want to kind of start by saying, you know, my dad is truly a living legend. Like, he really is an absolute icon. He's inspired so many generations of so many people, and his impact on, you know, planet Earth has been just gigantic. Like, he continues to just give and give and give. And I think he does that through lyrics, you know. So one thing, before my question, I just wanted to read out some of my favorite and, like, deep, you know, most meaningful lyrics by him. So, So I sat in the attic, a piano up my nose, and the wind played a dreadful cantata. Cantata, Cantata. Sore was I from a crack of an enemy's hose, and the horrible sound of tomata, tomata, tomata. Ketchup, ketchup. Soup and puree, soup and puree. Don't get left behind, don't get left behind. Ketchup, ketchup. Soup and puree, soup and puree. Don't get left behind. Now it continues, it continues if you want a little more. My piano was boldly outspoken in attempts repeat his refrain. So I stood with a knot in my stomach and I gazed at that terrible sight of 2 youngsters concealed in a barrel smoking Monkberry Moon Delight.

So my first question, I think, for my father is, have you ever smoked Monkberry Moon Delight, and what is it?

Fantastic question.

It's from my favorite album.

From Ram.

Which actually is my mum and dad.

Yeah.

I think my mum shared in those lyrics, actually. I think she can take a bit of credit there too. Um, it's called Monkberry Moon Delight.

Great.

And it does go on. And in fact, there's a bit about cats and kittens there, and it's a good one. So that's probably my first question. Has he ever smoked Monkberry Moon Delight? And what the fuck do those lyrics mean? So that's my first question.

Okay, great.

What is that about? My other question, which is serious, which actually I asked my dad this, and I want to see how he answers it to you, 'cause I was really surprised by the answer. Like, really surprised. And so, this is my gift to you, this question, which is, what is your first memory, Dad?

Ah, beautiful.

And I really wanna know what he answers to you, 'cause I was like, wow, that's great!

What a great question to ask someone. I think your dad will be very happy that we talked, because I hope he feels like I've gotten some good advice.

I love that you asked me. It was a sweet— I feel very honored. Like, on a serious— seriously, I feel very, very honored that you asked me. 'Cause you— let's face it, you could have asked anyone to ask Paul McCartney a question, and everyone would've said yes. Actually, that's amazing you asked me, Amy. Thank you.

Of course! Thank you for doing it. And we'd love to get you into the 'Stude. I have not had a designer, and I feel like I would—

I'll come.

Okay, great. Good.

And good luck with Dad. I hope those questions are okay.

They're perfect.

Well, much love to you, darling, and take care. Thank you for having me.

Thanks so much for doing it. Bye, Stella. Great to see you. Thanks again.

Bye. Bye, honey. Thank

you.

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Hey, Amy.

Do you get this a lot where people are kind of nervous around you and you feel the energy and you have to figure out how to make them feel less nervous? Like, that must be a thing you're used to.

Yeah.

Do you have a trick?

No, exactly. Yeah. Trick? I don't know. Just to kind of be normal. Yeah. You know, I was lucky. I was one of those guys that I grew up with a kind of very normal family.

Yeah.

You know, it was one of those families where you get past the baby. Yeah. And so, whereas I know some people when they grow up like that and they have a baby, they're like really scared of it. It's like, oh no, you know? So, so that I think I just use that.

It's so funny you say that because of the many things I want to talk to you about today, you seem very comfortable

Yeah, I think so.

Because that iconic photo of you, I think with Mary in your jacket, that was so ahead of its time. Like you, a man carrying a baby, you just never saw it.

I mean, that was just how we used to do it. You know, I used to go riding with her like that on the horse. But, um, yeah.

I mean, the '70s.

Well, she's now a mother of 4 boys.

Oh, man, she's best.

That little baby in my jacket.

Oh, okay. Well, Paul McCartney is here. You have such a wild life and timeline that it's kind of like intimidating to talk to you for just an hour and a half. So if you'll bear with me, I'll probably jump around a lot. Okay. And the reason why is because I have this theory that you're a bit of a time traveler, I think. Do you believe in time travel?

No.

Oh, well, then forget my theory. A little bit. I feel like sometimes I wasn't the age that I was. I felt older or younger.

You can see someone about that, Amy. There's people to talk to. No, no, I kind of know what you mean.

Yeah, like, I mean, I felt like— I feel like you're— I don't know, you seem— you seemed when you were young that you were older, if that makes any sense.

No, it does really. And I I used to look at the lyrics of Yesterday. I'm not half the man I used to be. Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be. Well, I was like 21. So half the man would put me at like about 10 and a half.

You were writing When I'm 64 when you were 20-something.

Yeah.

And you were considered retired at 27 when the Beatles— I guess I'm interested in this idea of, do you feel like there's an age that you are? Do you feel like there's an age you feel?

I think like a lot of people, you sort of feel like you stop at about 25. So I'm 25 in my head. Then I look in the mirror and go, no, you're not.

Yeah, me too. I

feel this way.

Yeah.

But yeah, no, I like that. I mean, in the Beatles, we used to have this sort of thing whenever there was like a question about a piece of music or something to do, whether we'd go on tour or whatever, and we couldn't figure out the answer. We'd say, what would we have thought when we were 17? What would that guy have said? We're not doing it. You know, 'cause that guy wouldn't have let us do it.

Yeah.

And as we grow up, we kind of go, okay, we'll do it. But it was better to listen to the 17-year-old.

Because that 17-year-old was more definitive? Like, more like yes and no? Like, more black and white?

I think he was just more sensible and less, you know, less jaded by the world.

Yeah.

He'd kind of say, that's a terrible jacket.

Yeah.

You know, whereas I would kind of, you know, later or maybe now, I'd sort of say, yeah, it's a nice jacket, or lying through my teeth.

Totally.

He wouldn't do that.

You're right, because I think we give a lot of credence to the fact that when you get older, you get very wise and you have all this experience. But you're right, we do forget the strong, truthful opinions that we have when we're young.

Yeah.

I mean, I've— I still kind of can't believe, Paul, that the Beatles broke up when you were 27. You were only together for 8 years. You made 13 albums. Those numbers are just really wild. It felt like when you were making music as a young person, it was like you knew you were only going to be making music with this band for that long, is how it felt.

Yeah, I don't think we knew it, but I think we didn't expect to, to go on for long.

Right.

Because people didn't.

Right.

You know, in this sort of rock and roll world.

Yeah.

It was like, you know, 5 years, top whack.

Yeah.

But then after 5 years, it was like, oh no, we've done— we're doing Sgt. Pepper.

Yeah.

Oh yeah, we could probably keep going.

Yeah.

And then, you know, we sort of do The White Album or whatever.

Yeah.

And then I did Wings and kept going.

Yeah. And, and, and it is really interesting to talk to you because you're somebody that people feel like they know a lot about, and they feel, you know, you have been in their lives in a million different ways. I know you've been in mine my whole life. And in many ways, Paul, you kind of represent music, like you represent songs. Like if songs were a person and we had to go— if we had to go into space and we had to bring one person to represent songs to the aliens, we would push you to the front.

Yeah. Here he is. Well, thank you. When are we leaving?

Yeah, exactly.

Let's go.

Okay. So I loved Morgan Neville's doc, Man on the Run.

Yeah.

A beautiful doc.

Yeah.

Did you like it?

Yeah, I do. Yeah. I mean, when he showed it to me first off, I said, there's a few embarrassing bits. Should we take them out?

Fun. What was embarrassing?

I didn't realize that the farm we lived on was like so run down. It's a tip. You know, we were in love and we had a new baby and it was all great. And I was, you know, I could fix it up. No problem. I'll make a table. You know, it was that kind of thing. So, I didn't notice. When you see it in the film, it's like, you lived there?

Yeah.

And you had some money?

Yeah.

Chose to live in that? So, that was a little bit embarrassing. I don't know. Sometimes, I don't know about you, sometimes I don't bother to think things through too seriously.

Well, that is always what we learn about you. There's, there's so many things that I appreciate about you as an artist. One is you have a sense of humor about yourself and your work, which is a sign not only of intelligence, but it just, it allows us to enjoy it in many different kinds of ways, which is so nice. And also, you really let us into your process. You know, a lot of people like to keep people out of process because it keeps them mysterious or something.

Hmm.

And I always felt like Like, watching you work made me feel like I could write a song. It always made me feel connected to music. And that documentary does that. It shows process. Peter Jackson's documentary, like, the idea of process. And I love what you say about your work when asked if you were a workaholic or you consider yourself one. You say, well, you don't work music. What do you say in response to that?

Yeah, no, that's right. You know, people say, oh, you work a lot. You know, you're always working. I said, I'm not, you know. And I thought one day, well, we don't work music, we play music. So I'm like a playerholic. I'm definitely addicted to that.

Yeah.

You know, because I'm sure it's the same for you. I feel very lucky that this is my job.

Yes.

You know, because when I left school, like, my first job was Coil winding in a factory.

Okay, that sounds hot and hard. So what did you have to do?

Rugged. I were rugged.

What do you have to do? Literally wind coil?

Yeah. So you have a big sort of wheel with coil wire on it, comes through your legs, and you put it on like an armature thing and keep winding it, and it, it's like a thing they're having motors, and, uh, mine weren't very good.

Yeah.

You know, but the idea was they were going to take me through all these things and then I'd be manager. Well, one day, uh, John and George showed up, and, uh, and one of the guys in the factory said, there's some guys out there, you know, want to see you, like, you know. So I went out and they said, we've got a gig. We've got a gig at the Cavern.

Yeah.

So I said, well, I don't know, let me think about it.

You looked at the coil.

I looked at the coils. I looked at the pay packet.

Yeah.

£7.15 a week. God. And I can't believe I actually questioned it, but I did. I said, I'll get back to you. And yeah, and I did and gave up a career in coil wind management.

You would've been the coil-winding representative that we showed to the aliens if you had stuck with it.

Coil-winding king.

George was how many years younger than you, Paul?

I think, like, about 1 and a half. And I was 1 and a half years younger than John.

Yeah. Did you feel— I mean, when you're— when we're older, that means nothing. But when we're young, it's really important. Did you feel like the middle child or the younger brother to John? And did George feel like a younger brother to you?

Yeah, I sort of felt George as younger, but he was so, uh, cocky.

Yeah.

He was, you know, you couldn't put George down. So

yeah,

he made himself older just by being very confident and like, you know.

Who is the tallest?

We were all the same height.

I know. Are you really?

You know, I've got to think about that. Do you?

No. Well, tell me more.

Oh my God. Well, we were all the same height, and Ringo was a bit smaller.

Sure.

Um, and if you look at photos, we're all the same height. But, uh, Sam Taylor-Wood did a film called Nowhere Boy, and, um, the John character, who she later married, Aaron—

Right, right, Aaron Taylor-Johnson.

Yeah, he's bigger than me in the film. My character is kind of wimpy, Smaller than John. John knocks me to the floor. And it's like, Sam, this is not true. Yeah. And her only explanation— bless her, 'cause she's still a good friend, you know. She said, um, this is a movie, it's not a documentary.

And

I thought, hmm, well, I don't like that explanation. But I couldn't do anything 'cause she did— now, by now, she'd made the film. But I thought, And there was I, little Paul, you know, John, the great big hero. And it's like, no, John's here.

I can't imagine what it's like to have people play you. I mean, it must be so strange. I mean, it's happening again. There's another film, the great Paul Mescal is playing you based on your life, obviously not taken directly from your life, but it must be strange to have people play you.

Yeah, it is. It is. And guess what? He's smaller than the guy who plays John. I said— Sam Mendes is making the film.

Yeah.

I said, Sam, I've got just one thing that I need to say to you. You know, Paul's a bit smaller than me. So, I don't know how Sam's gonna deal with it. But he sent me a picture, a still from the filming they were doing, and they're crossing the Abbey Road crossing. Yeah, I saw that too. The Paul character is markedly smaller.

And you can't put lifts on that bare feet.

That's true. Maybe that's what it was. So I texted him, Sam, smaller! Don't do this. You said you wouldn't do it. He said, no, it's okay. It's just the stride pattern. And he sent me another one where they were equal.

But I guess that's The way in which you guys laughed at your competitive nature, we all, as Americans especially, we love because we love— that's what families do, I guess, is what I'm trying to say, is families tease, and they can kind of come at each other in ways that other people can't. And that always felt like the relationship you had with all of— and that you have with them still.

Yeah. You know, I mean, the good thing was we grew up together, so there was like a family aspect. aspect. Me and George went to the same school.

Yeah.

And John went to the art college next door. So we all kind of— and, you know, it took years for us to kind of get any fame. So we were out in Hamburg schlepping around, playing, you know, not very nice little clubs.

Yeah.

We enjoyed it. Because we were young kids in Hamburg, you know, this, wow, we'd never been abroad before, you know. So that was like— but yeah, so that when you know each other that well and we've been together that long, it does become like a family. So then that finds its way into your writing and your work, you know, that I can tell what he's thinking or I can tell him that I didn't like that line.

Yeah.

Or he can tell me, that sucks. And so that's very good, as you know, for writing.

Well, and we're back to that 17-year-old, like, very blunt way of saying, this is good, this is bad, you shouldn't wear that, like all that stuff. I mean, and I'm sure you know that as you get any level of success, sometimes people are afraid to give you real feedback.

Yeah, that's a danger now. You know, people all say to me when I'm working with a producer,

they

say, does he tell you if it's no good? Yeah. And I'm not sure.

Right. How could you know?

Maybe he doesn't. I know, I think you find people who will tell you and stuff, but it must be hard for them.

Yeah. I

think so. Because you've got such a reputation. Right. To tell you a joke isn't funny would scare me.

It should.

It should. That wasn't funny. It should.

Yeah, I know what you mean. But you know what? I'm always so impressed by so many things that you do, Paul. But one of them is the idea of continuing onto the next. What is the next adventure? You're always looking creatively, especially, for ways to just continue to be inspired and to continue to work together. You have a new record, Boys of Dungeon Lane.

You want to hear about it?

Yeah, I do. I'm fascinated by your process of how you make music, how you write songs.

Uh, I think the good thing is I'm fascinated too. I don't know. I, I do a class in my old school that me and George went to in Liverpool. Um, it's called LIPA. And I go there every year and do a class with the songwriting students. And the first thing I say to them when they come in one-on-one, so it's terrifying for them.

Yeah.

You know.

Oh, they come in one-on-one.

They come in one-on-one with a guitar or a little piece of—

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I say, come and sit down. I say, listen, I'm going to say this to you. I don't know how to do this. You know, I know I'm teaching you. I have no idea how you do it because your song is going to be different from mine and stuff. And then we work it through and they'll play me one of their songs. And then I will sort of say, that's very good. Or how about that second verse may be good as an opening verse? Because I think it's a bit stronger. So I just take them through sort of gentle hints. But mainly, by the time they get to me, they're pretty good. You know, they've done 3 years. Yeah. And I don't know how to do it. That's the point.

And

I don't want to know.

You

know, I always just sit down with a guitar or at the piano and just start plonking something. And if I find something that sounds good, I just follow that. Yeah. Oh, that's not bad. That's not bad. Where could it go next? Well, it could stay there. All that stuff. Yeah. And then you learn in yourself. The natural thing to do is you move through the chords.

Yeah.

Or you can tell yourself, no, don't move. Stay there. And there's all sorts of tricks that you can use. And there's so many little tricks like that. It just makes it fun for me. And then if you get a good opening line, that's a great thing. Because you kind of then know where you're going. And on Dungeon Lane, there's a song called Days We Left Behind, which is special for me. And I knew I had something when I— it was looking back. I'm thinking about looking back at photographs of the past. So you could say looking back at black and white photos. But I knew it was good when I said it. He said modestly. I said, looking back at white and black. So the fact that I'd switched, it was not a black and white photo anymore, it's a white and black. And obviously it rhymes. So looking back at white and black reminders of the past or whatever, I just thought, oh, okay.

Yeah.

So you're looking at photos. and you go there. Just let's see what you remember. And it's nice. I have a lot of good memories.

When you hear a song that you've written, you've written so many, do you remember the making of that song when you hear it? Do you remember the writing of it? Do you know?

Yeah. A lot of the time I do.

Yeah. The process of making it when you hear it?

A lot of the time. Sometimes though, it is crazy because they have a Beatles channel on Sirius. Yes. And if I'm hiring a car, my driver will like, he knows to have it on. That's a good chance. But normally it's quite quiet, so you can talk and things. And then I'll hear something.

Yeah.

And say, oh, wait a minute, turn this one up. And talking about remembering writing the song, he turned one up because I couldn't remember what the title was. I thought, what's this one? And then he played. I couldn't even remember the song.

Yeah.

It had just come and gone so fast.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I don't always remember them, but a lot of them I do. I have pretty strong memories of, yeah, like Mullach an Tair, a Wings song. It was very successful. Bagpipe.

I loved seeing that in the doc, making that— watching you make that song. And also in the doc, learning about how Wings came together and your— intention behind bringing people together, which was really interesting. And for me, it was the first time I heard you speak about how important it was for you to feel like part of a group. Like, you like being around people and you like being part of a group, an ensemble.

Yeah.

What do you like about it?

Just the companionship, just the friendship, and the other opinion.

Yeah.

You know, having another opinion in the room, kind of another— I like that. I think mainly just playing together.

Yeah.

You know, it's like kids in kindergarten.

Yeah, the play, the word play is back again. Do you have a pre-show ritual? Do you do anything always? Do you not eat 2 hours before the show? Do

you

have a superstition?

Not really. I do have a ritual.

What is it? Would you tell us what it is?

What is it? Okay.

Okay, here we go.

Well, I don't eat. You know, I have like lunch.

Let's even back up further. What time are you going to bed the night before?

The night before? I don't know. Random. It doesn't matter.

You musicians with your bedtime.

I know, we're just a crazy bunch.

Just a crazy bunch.

No, I don't think about that. That's normally— I mean, it's normally not too late.

Okay.

It's not too crazy. Probably if it was 6 o'clock, If it was 6 in the morning, we'd gone right through, I probably would worry a bit.

Yeah.

But no, it's just kind of normal bedtime. Okay.

Then?

And yeah, I get up, I just have my breakfast.

What's your breakfast?

Breakfast.

How do you take your tea?

It's really kind of boring because it's always the same. It's like cereal,

a

bit of cereal, not too much, just a little bit. Berries.

Yeah, that's the superfood.

Berries.

You gotta berry it up.

5 raspberries.

Whoa.

Gotta be 5. Looks good. One in the middle. Handful of blueberries.

Oh yeah, the blueberries are just really, really—

Tuck them in. And the strawberry, which I cut up.

Uh-huh, meditative.

Are we really doing this?

We're going to do another hour of this.

This is great. Recipe breakfast.

Do you take coffee or tea?

No, in the morning, it's just water.

No caffeine?

No, I'm not a big coffee person. Really? Yeah, no, I'm English.

But the tea all day long.

A lot of people, my kids drink coffee.

Yeah.

Quite a lot. I will have like one coffee in the middle of the day, sometimes, often. So that's my breakfast. Add a few pecans and a few raisins.

If you want to party.

Yeah. And then there's a very specific lunch.

Okay, let's hear it.

It's a gig lunch.

Oh, a gig. Oh yeah, a gig lunch.

No, it's gig day lunch.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

For me. Yeah.

Well, because I mean, being on stage, I mean, I've talked to a lot of performers who just being in front of an audience is so physical. And you have been on stage for most of your adult life in all different stages with different types of people and in different shows. What is— what's the thing now that you're loving about being on stage? Like, what, what does it look like to be on stage now? I mean, for example, we've got like Bruce still doing 3-hour shows. We have Taylor Swift doing 3-hour shows. Like a lot of expectation for people to do long shows. Mm-hmm.

I know, I blame him. I've told him. I said, it's your bloody fault, mate. We used to do like an hour. Stones still do something like an hour or so. Old school. But no, Bruce just suddenly doing these 3, 4-hour things. So that's what we do.

You do, I know.

You know what I love though? The audience. That's what it's all about. Yeah. And my audiences, touch wood, are very loving. It's so warm.

Yeah.

You know, they're just so cool. And all ages.

Yeah.

That's the amazing thing. I always expected them to be my age or slightly younger or whatever. But it's not like that. There's a lot of young kids.

Yeah. Well, you're every favorite artist's favorite artist.

Wow.

You are. And is there any music right now that you listen to and you think, I wish I wrote that?

No. Very good. Not really. There are some people I think are really good. You know, like Billie Eilish, I think is cool, but I don't think I want to have written her songs.

Right.

And also, a lot of songs these days are breakup songs.

Yeah.

And I'm married.

Right. You're in love with a beautiful woman and you're in love with a beautiful woman and you have a fantastic breakfast. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, that's true. No, so, uh, No, I don't think there— there used to be songs. Like, I used to want to have written, um, one of Billy Joel's songs, The Way You Are.

Yeah.

I always thought that was like the kind of thing I could have written.

Yeah.

I think that's a nice song. Nowadays it's, uh, I'll tell you what, so some of them are like, um, very, uh, banal. Yeah. I want your ooh, ooh. I want it. Ooh, ooh. This could be a hit. And then you got— but then you got to do the moves.

You got to do the TikTok dance with it. Yeah. Yeah. This from the— this from the man that gave us She Loves You, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

So, I mean, doth protest. I bet you've been able to collaborate with mostly everybody that you've wanted to collaborate with at some point. Is there anybody that you still wish to collaborate with?

No, I get asked this question and I always think Bob Dylan.

Yeah.

But I'm too nervous to ring him up. Bob, it is Paul.

Yeah. I can't even picture him being on the telephone, Bob. No.

I can't actually picture

him using— No, he's in some bush somewhere.

Exactly. Yep.

He's writing in a journal.

In a sleeping bag, maybe.

Yes. Yeah. Who was the first famous person that you met?

First famous person I met?

When you were young, starting out, who was— remember, did you meet someone who you wanted their autograph or you were blown away that you knew that they were a famous person?

The Queen.

Whoa.

And that's an autograph you're not going to get. No, she's great. I love the Queen.

I love the Queen too.

I really— well, you know, one other thing was she was crowned. She's a doll. She was crowned when I was 11. So, and she was a babe.

Yeah.

You know, when I was 11, she was like 23 or something, you know? So we all used to think, wow, this is amazing. You know, like, you know, having a king, he's got This girl, this babe. So we kind of liked her in other ways than we shouldn't have liked her.

Right.

If you know what I mean.

Right, right.

So yeah, so meeting her was special.

How old were you when you met her?

Probably about 21 or something.

Yeah. Wow.

Nancy, my wife now, she says she fancied you. Now there's no knowing if there's any truth to that. Let's just say it's true. Yeah. Let's say it's true. I like to think it's true.

And I think she would, not to speak for the Queen, but I will. I would think she would enjoy Nancy saying that. I think she would get a laugh out of that. Like she would enjoy that.

Well, she was a laugh. That's one of the things I liked about her. She had a good sense of humor. And yeah, I was very happy that, you know, sometimes you don't get the Queen if you're getting an honor. Like you're getting a knighthood. You don't always get the Queen. I was very lucky, I got the Queen all the time. Well,

she made sure she was there.

Wow.

Well, that's what Nancy was saying. She looked at her planner and she was like, mm-hmm, 2 o'clock. I'm gonna make myself available.

I'll do him.

I'll do the sword thing. That's what she said.

The sword was Edward the Confessor.

The name of the sword?

Yeah. I mean, British history, there was a king called Edward the Confessor.

Wow.

At least it wasn't Aethelred the Unready.

But talk about, again, like time travel, which you don't believe in, but I believe in for you. But you're 21, you meet the Queen, just speed, you know, however many years later, and you're getting knighted by her. Such a wild life.

Yeah, I know. I know. No, really. Wow. And believe me, I agree with that.

Yeah.

I mean, life itself anyway, for most people, is wild.

Yes, life is wild no matter what.

But my particular kind of life has been very wild up to this point and continues to be wild. Look at me here. I'm doing your show.

It's like the Queen. It's

like being with the Queen. It's not quite Queen level.

No, not quite yet. Not quite.

It's very impressive.

Also, and then I'll move off of this theme that I'm very clumsily trying to connect. But what I also love about your work, Chrissie Hynde says this in the documentary about you, What— can we just talk about Chrissie Hynde for a second?

We love Chrissie. She's a dude.

Tell me how you met Chrissie. You and Linda were really good friends with Chrissie.

Yeah.

Tell us how you met Chrissie Hynde. What a genius.

In a recording studio in London, Air London, it was called. And there were a lot of studios. So you meet the people who are in the other studios, you know?

Yeah.

And she was just walking down the corridor, and she was very moody with her hair down and sort of wouldn't look at you, you know? But Linda didn't do that. She would approach you. Hi, how are you doing? And they got talking. And so we met her and Chrissie stopped being so moody and just talked to us. And we had a lot of stuff in common. She's like a crazy vegetarian.

Yeah. Yes.

So we had that in common. And Linda was very outspoken on that subject to the point where if it hadn't been her, it would have been embarrassing. You know, if you're at a dinner party and someone's eating meat, she would like give them trouble over it. You know what you're eating? Yeah, well, I know, but its mommy loved it.

Yeah. Ahead of her time, very ahead. You were both ahead of—

Yeah, she had this kind of Disney-esque view of animals. So if we saw a frog in a garden or something, she'd pick it up. And there's not every girl would.

Yeah.

You know, so she'd pick it up and the way— I'm getting emotional now— but the way she would hold it, it wouldn't hurt it. And yeah, so she would say, you know, it's Mummy Lofton, and even if it's a frog, She was like a Disney frog to her.

I

loved learning more about you and Linda in that documentary. I loved watching you two work together and be together. It was really a testament to just what respectful, beautiful, mutual love looks like.

Yeah. She was something else. Tough, tough lady.

Look, I have good hand tissues.

Good. Thank you, ma'am. Yeah.

Um, I want to talk about your family life, um, and just how family is important to you, because I have the pleasure and privilege of getting to know some of your family. Um, but as we move off the Beatles, although we never will, but as we move off the Beatles for this conversation, what is your relationship now like with George and John and Ringo. Some are here, some are not. But relationships, as we know with Linda, like people that— with your mom, people that you lose, they're always with you. They just— your relationship changes with them. What is your relationship now like with those men?

Um, I'm a fan, you know, and the more we go on, I'm a bigger fan. I'm like a Beatles fan, you know. Just because, like I say, you know, I'll just hear something that we did and I'll remember writing it with John and think, wow, I was really lucky.

You

know, this is amazing. I'm sitting down writing with someone and he happens to be John Lennon.

Yeah.

And I think the same for him with me. He's sitting down and the guy who's talking about his his work is me. Um, so yeah, so I'm a fan. Um, and, uh, you know, I, I think I'd become more of a fan the more I think about them. And, uh, yeah, you know, George, for instance, how I met George was on the school bus. I used to get on one stop, these big double-decker green buses. Um, we— it was about a half-hour journey into— from where we lived to the school. So I would get on at one stop, and then the next stop George would get on. And we wore the same school uniform, so we kind of could relate some way. And sometimes we sit next to each other and, uh, we talk about guitars and rock and roll. It's in one of the songs on the Dungeon Lane album, actually.

Oh, really?

Yeah, there's one song called Down South, and it's, it's about how we met on, you know, the school bus, and we talked about rock and roll and guitars and all that sort of stuff. So that was great, you know, we became friends over that. And then when we were looking for another guitar player, John was kind of interested in getting another guy in. And I put George up and I sort of said, I've got this little mate, you know, he's little. He wasn't physically little, but he was young, you know. Yeah, yeah. And that could be a problem. But, uh, it wasn't a problem. And he played great guitar. John was so impressed. And so George joins the group. So that was that period. But then looking at George's life and how he grew. And my gosh, you know, I became spiritual. It was pretty amazing.

Do you have a spiritual practice, Paul? Do you feel like you're a spiritual person?

I don't have like a practice so much. I meditate. And no, I sort of believe in a power. I don't know what he or she is, but I know there's something there. And I feel— and I often do that thing, you know, The Secret?

Oh, yeah. I got really into that for a minute.

Yeah. Well, I'm still into it.

I mean, you probably were on my vision board, and here I am talking to you.

Oh, I just know the simple version.

Yeah, yeah. But Paul, we feel that in your art, like the idea that you're tuning into a channel, like an open channel. And it's not optimism, which it kind of flattens it out. It's just the idea of like there's possibilities. You gotta keep yourself open to possibilities. possibilities.

Yeah,

I feel that way when you talk about your work, and I do feel that way when you talk about your family. Like, you— family was so important to you, building one, whether it be with the people you're playing with, with the people in your life. Like, I, I, I love that you've let us into how the— you know, you believe in love. Like, you're—

you— I do.

You do believe in love, and, and you, and You can tell by how you live your life. And congratulations to you and Linda for raising great kids, really talented, kind, funny kids, really great children.

Thank you. Yeah, no, they are great. It's important to me. And the thing is, I'm not really that different from a lot of dads. There's a lot of people out there.

I mean, okay, there's

the But

you also choose very strong women.

Yeah, that's true.

You like strong, independent women.

Yeah.

That's not always the case with men that are as successful and talented and powerful as yourself. That's not always the case. Sometimes they don't like to be challenged in that way.

It's funny, I don't think of it like that, but it is true.

Yeah,

I like someone who's got a strong opinion.

Well, we spoke to somebody who has a strong opinion because we always do this thing on our podcast where we speak to somebody who knows our guest and who wants to give me a question to ask my guest. And we could have spoken to so many people, but I really wanted to speak to Stella.

Oh, yeah.

Tell us about Stella.

Stella's a pistol.

She is.

Cinderella had Mary.

Yeah.

And that was straightforward. And so then Linda was pregnant again with Stella and went to the hospital for her to be born. And then suddenly there was like a thing going on where the doctors— it's a thing called placenta previa.

Oh, yes, of course. It can be very dangerous.

And the doctor said, so we're going to have to do a C-section, a cesarean. So he's like, oh, okay. So he did it and it was successful and it worked, but it meant that Stella had to be in an incubator when she was little.

Yeah.

And so I would go down a couple of floors to where the incubator unit was and I would see our baby and then go back up and report to Linda. And it was amazing because Stella did a little movement and it was exactly like Linda, but she didn't know Linda yet.

Yeah, wild.

She hadn't learned any tricks. So it was really just a natural thing. So I go running back up. I said, Stella just did that thing and I know that thing from you. So, uh,

wow.

So Stella, we talk about it quite a bit.

Well, Stella's question for me to ask you, which is amazing that you're telling this story, Paul, because she said, ask my dad what his, what his first memory was. We spoke about it the other day, and I— and he remembered his first memory because Stella shared that she thinks one of her first memories was being in an incubator.

Yeah.

She can feel like, and I know a lot of people have memories of when they were born or feel like they do, and how you come into the world can really in some ways define your life's path. You can become like a fighter or a survivor, or you wanna be more sleepy and peaceful, whatever is the way that you come into the world. But she shared that as her first memory. And the question she wanted me to ask you was, what was yours?

Yeah, you know, things, you don't know if you've made it up.

Yeah, sure.

Or if it's— but I have this feeling that I can remember being born. I was born in a place in Liverpool called Walton Hospital, which was a real old Victorian thing. I think it had been something else before a hospital. So I kind of remember white tiles, very sort of hygienic white tiles and chrome instruments and the clanging, uh, because I was a forceps birth. They had to pull me out.

Me too. I was a forceps birth.

Were you?

Yeah. I had dents in my head.

Give it up for forcep people.

Yeah. They had to yank me out. I wouldn't come out.

Yeah. It was too good in there.

Yeah.

This is okay. I'm getting fed.

Totally. And then all of a sudden, something came in there and clamped your head

Yeah.

And yanked you out.

And out I came. I love that you were too.

Yeah, I was.

Yeah. So I sort of think I remember that.

How funny.

I don't know if it's true.

The other question that she had was, what is Monkberry Moon Delight? And have you smoked it? And what were you on when you wrote that song?

I probably was on something that I smoked. But no, when the kids were little, you know how kids don't always— can't pronounce certain words?

Yeah.

Well, the word for milk was monk. You know, can I have— Daddy, can I have some monk? So that was milk. So I was thinking of a milkshake.

So

it was like milkberry, monkberry moon. So it's the name of a milkshake. like in my head, you know, I just imagined that, uh, and then I just flew off on one, uh, because the lyrics are crazy great.

Yeah, they're great lyrics.

There was I with a piano up my nose.

Soup and puree.

Soup and puree. Yes. Cats and kittens, don't get left behind.

Yes. Ketchup, ketchup.

I know it's just like a lot of wordplay and stuff, but I look back on that kind of song and think, I wish I wrote those now. I think it was just a zany period.

Yeah.

But that's what it was in my mind. It's actually a milkshake.

So the last section I want to talk to you about is your connection to SNL. Of the many things that you entered in my life, I mean, you were also connected to the show, one of the shows that shaped my life when I was learning what I wanted to do with my life. Saturday Night Live was such a huge part of my world.

Mm-hmm.

And the fact that you and Lorne and just the Beatles, they always felt like they were— it felt like you guys were hanging around all the time. And you did, go to the show quite a bit, and you've been on the show quite a bit. And I mean, there's just so many incredible moments on that show. I mean, when I was preparing for this interview, I was thinking about the Chris Farley moment, which no one's seen. It's an incredible sketch where Chris Farley is interviewing you, and he does what I'm sure most people do, which is he just tells you what you've done. And, um—

He's so good, wasn't he?

So good.

I think the first time I was introduced to him, it was John who was living in New York.

Right.

And who, you know, loved SNL. And it was around that time when Lorne had come on and offered us $3,000 to perform. 'Cause, you know, everyone was offering millions to get back together.

And he holds up a check.

And he's got a little check from NBC.

Yep.

Which apparently was what they would've paid us, NBC.

And I love— you've spoken on this, that you all considered it for a second. I mean, you were in New York, performing. Wings was performing.

It was me and John.

Yeah,

we're at his place in New York. And he said, have you seen this show? I said, no. He said, well, this guy comes on, he's offering us.

Yeah.

And John said, we should go down now because it was on live. And he said, go and surprise him. So for a second, we were going to do that. But then it was like, no, it's It's much too comfortable here. Let's just watch it.

Yeah, it's 11:30.

We watched it. Yeah. But, uh, so I think that was the first time I'd seen the show.

Mm-hmm.

And then sort of realized why everyone was massive fans of it.

Yeah.

And why it was such an American institution. I mean, I love being included in sketches. You know, I like doing the music.

Be careful saying that because they're going to keep writing you in.

I don't mind. You like it. You like it. Yeah. I was like a garage guy, a mechanic

in

the last one I did with Marcello and Will Ferrell.

What was it like working with Marcello? Just kidding. And then Yoga Boys.

Oh, so the one I did with Marty Shaw.

Oh, Marty.

Marty Shaw, he's so great.

He's so great.

We were actually, a year ago, we were actually having And then dinner, it was me, Lorne, Jimmy Fallon, and Martin was going to come to dinner with us, but he was late. So we're all sitting at the thing and the restaurant's crowded, and then Martin comes in from left and he's walking through and he's pretending he doesn't know where we are. He's seen us. And he's going, oh, oh, excuse me. Oh, sorry. And he's bumping into tables, and he's doing that whole bit of his, you know, oh, there you are.

So funny.

Hysterical.

Hysterical. Okay, quick rapid fire, and we're gonna get you out of here. Okay, so rapid fire time. Best decade for music?

'60s.

If you were an animal, what animal would you be?

Horse.

Why?

'Cause I love horses. Hmm.

Do you think you've lived before?

Possibly.

And who were you?

Me? King Ethel the Unready. Haha.

Do you have a favorite song you've ever written?

Yeah, Here, There and Everywhere. I like that song.

Okay. Nancy's favorite song of yours?

Days We Left Behind off the new album.

Fantastic. Last concert you went to? I

think it was Brandi Carlile.

She's— she was in here. How talented is she?

Yeah.

Um,

she's, uh, a very nice girl too.

There just must be a feeling when you meet songwriters, right? There just must be a feeling of like, oh, we know each other.

We know how to do this. Yeah. Yeah. Even though we don't know how to do it, but yeah, we've done it.

Yeah, we've done it. I mean, I felt that way even when I watched Get Back, and I wa— when I when I was watching you, uh, write that song, for example, and the process of writing it and being together. And you were doing, to me, what looked like what we would do in a comedy writer's room, which is you work a little bit and then you fuck around a lot. Because you can only kind of like think of something original for a few minutes, and then you have to like play other people's songs and like goof around. I mean, you were doing bits basically with each other.

Yeah, yeah.

That was a way to get offline, to back into your creative space. And it was like a process that felt like, oh, this is what process looks like.

Yeah. We've been mates for years. So you goof around. John would pick up something. I remember She Came In Through the Bathroom Window, one of my songs, and Monday's on the Phone to Tuesday, whatever it is. So Tuesday's on the Phone to Me, I think was the line. So I start going, hello Tuesday, all right darling. And then John picks it up, he's on the piano, all right Tuesday. And he starts doing Tuesday and we were talking to Tuesday. Um, so yeah, that we could do that.

Yeah.

Because we'd, we'd hung out a lot. I mean, we went hitchhiking together and things, you know, so we would sleep together and, and, and And that makes you kind of quite intimate with each other.

Yeah. Well, just getting to see the way you work together feels like anybody who's in some kind of creative space working with somebody else, they felt like they understood what that feeling is. This idea that— you kind of talked about it earlier— that there's just some kind of magic you're supposed to make space for and room for. And if you're lucky, it comes in. And if you're even luckier, you get to make it. And then if you're the luckiest, people love it.

That's true. I think if you love it, people probably will.

Well, I feel like I'll end by saying, Paul, that the, the thing that I feel like you taught me as an artist, uh, knowing you for my entire life— not knowing you, but knowing your work— is that love is really That's the thing. Loss is inevitable, change is inevitable, life is wild. But if you can keep heading towards the love part, you're headed in the right direction. Thank you for that.

That's all you need. No, I agree. And I will own up to being a romantic. I love it. I love films where it's romantic. I'm not a big fan of Do

you like horror movies?

No.

Me neither.

And let's take a minute.

Yeah?

Zombies.

Forget zombies.

I mean, people love that.

I've never watched—

Not very keen.

No.

Zombies.

I've said this before, but if there was a zombie apocalypse, I would immediately just take a pill and go to sleep forever. There's no way I would ever fight a zombie.

Well, I'd fight it for you.

Thank you, Paul.

Grrr! Grrr!

You've got the sword, darling. Okay, so what is making you laugh right now as we end? Anything? What do you watch to giggle?

Um, yeah, films and things.

Like what? What do you think is funny? Well, let's watch a video together as we end.

My Favorite Year.

Oh, Peter O'Toole?

Yeah. I thought that was funny.

I love that movie. I haven't seen it in so long.

No, that's what I mean. I asked someone what's funny. So they come up with that one.

Oh, I love that film.

Yeah, it's a great film.

Um, for people who don't remember that, that was an '80s comedy. Oh yeah, he— Peter O'Toole plays like an actor who's on a variety show, right?

Yeah, he was like— he's a has-been.

Yes.

And he gets drunk all the time.

That's right.

And the young guys put in charge of him.

There was a big stretch in the '80s where all the characters were really drunk.

Yeah.

Like Arthur, My Favorite Year. There's quite a bunch where, like, the lead was, like, falling down drunk. And we were like, that's hilarious. Okay, let's watch just the trailer of My Favorite Year before we end.

It was the year Hollywood's greatest hero swashbuckled his way onto live TV and into the hearts of millions. I mean, this looks like, um, Monty Python. Or it's your neck. They've asked me to stay with you and help you over some of the rough spots. Like showing up? That's one. Another is not passing out.

Peter O'Toole passing out.

God,

Peter O'Toole is good.

Yeah.

Well, Paul McCartney, I could talk to you all day.

You may, Amy.

I really, really, really appreciate you being here. It's a total thrill to talk to

you.

How did we do? We did okay.

I think we did great. I mean, all right. I enjoyed it.

All right, good.

Yeah.

Thanks, Paul. Thanks for doing this.

Thanks, Amy.

Okay, you're excused.

Yes, miss. Thank you.

Thank you, Paul McCartney. I don't know what to say. It was a complete thrill to talk to you and what an incredible conversation. And, you know, for this Polar Plunge, I just, I feel the need to call my mother and tell her that I just interviewed Paul McCartney. So if you will indulge me, listeners, I have not told my mom or my dad that I'm interviewing Paul because I can't be trusted with that information. I'm gonna FaceTime my mom right now and see if we can get a real-time, real-time response. Now, she texted. Hello? Hi. Um, can you hear me?

Yeah, you're on the podcast.

I'm doing the podcast right now. So your voices are going to be recorded. Is that okay? Do I have your legal consent?

Depends on how I feel it went.

Okay, let me talk to Mom. Okay. Um, guess who I just interviewed? Mom, who would be your favorite person?

Oh my God.

Who is the most excited person you've ever met when you came to SNL?

Oh.

Paul McCartney.

I just interviewed Paul McCartney.

No, sir.

I did. I just interviewed Paul McCartney.

Yeah? Oh,

my God.

Your mother brags about the time he—

Did

you

mention my name?

She brags about the time he knocked on your door at SNL and said, oh, I like your daughter.

Yeah, he said, are you Amy's mother?

That's right. That's right.

And Eileen said, oh, Sir Paul.

Hello, Sir Paul.

Okay, Mom, but, you know, as I wrap up this episode, What is the memory you have of, like, how important were the Beatles to you?

Oh, it was unbelievable. My big memory is the first time they played on Ed Sullivan.

Ed Sullivan Show, with their long hair.

And my father said, look at those guys with that long hair. That's right. But yeah, I liked them immediately. Yeah. I went to see them, I think, with—

Didn't you go to Inland somewhere?

No, that was the Rolling Stones. Now that I think of it. No, I never saw them. You never saw them? You just saw the Rolling Stones?

No, but he made a joke to Eileen about, didn't I see you in the 4th row?

Oh, yeah. He said, were you at

the, uh—

Okay, I gotta go. I got— okay, I gotta go. Okay, I love you guys. I wanted to tell you that I just interviewed Paul McCartney.

Cool. I'm so psyched.

Nice.

All right. Love you guys.

Okay, hon.

I'll keep track of his numbers and see if he beats out Paul Rudd.

He's coming for you, Rudd. All right. All right. Okay. Love you guys. Bye. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for listening to Good Hang, and we'll see you soon. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, Alea Zanaris, Bridget Gearlings, Paige Garbarini, Belle Roman, and Drew Van Steenburgen. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.

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