Transcript of Gwyneth Paltrow

Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have a great guest today. It is the one, the only, Gwyneth Paltrow. Gwyneth and I, we get into it. We're going to talk about a lot of things. We're going to talk about codependency, bone density. I mistake her for Nicole Kidman, and we'll never forget it for the rest of my life. Also, we talk about her new film, Marty Supreme, out now and her return to acting. It's a great conversation. But we always do this thing before our guests come and join us, where we talk well behind their back and speak to someone and get a question from them. Joining me via Zoom is the director of Marty Supreme, Josh Saftee. Josh has made a bunch of really amazing films, including Good Time with Robert Pattyzen and Adam Sandler's Uncut Gems. This is another Big hit. Let's join Josh and see where he's talking to us from. Hi, Josh. This episode of Good Hang is presented by Nespresso. For those who never compromise on their morning rituals, especially their coffee ritual, Nespresso's new Virtuo Up makes your first cup irresistible. With a three-second start, easy open lever and dedicated coffee creations mode button, it's even easier to brew the bold coffee over ice or milk.

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Yeah, on the back of a kitchen.

Where are you? Where are we talking to you from?

I'm doing Grueling Press in London, and they double-booked me. This was added late, so I'm actually eating in the kitchen. Oh, man, you can eat. They said, Can I do it in the bathroom? And they said, No, because we need to have access to the bathroom. I said, Do you have anywhere that I can do it? So I said, The pastry thing because it's like morning stuff. So they said, It's pretty The traffic here is quite minimal.

Well, as a director, it makes sense that there's some interesting depth to this shot.

Yeah, I hope so. I actually am hoping that people... There's some really good pastries here.

Yeah.

Really like, look here.

Let me see. Oh, jeez. We got a croissant. We got- Can we see that? Yeah, there's a braided something. What is that?

Hello. Sorry.

Now there's someone coming to get the pastries.

Thank you.

Listeners, now that someone came behind and are grabbing the pastries from behind our set. We're going to need those pastries in there for Continuity. We got to get those pastries back, Josh.

Some more.

We haven't had a chance to meet you, and I am a huge, huge fan of your films and your work. Sorry. Wait, listeners, there's another person behind Josh getting more pastries right now. This is amazing. Sorry about that. Well, it's hard to make a good movie. Congratulations on making many. And this movie seems awesome. And you work with Gwyneth and Timothée Chalamet, so many other great people in your film. First of all, your casting is super interesting. How do you approach casting? You're like, you have someone in mind when you're writing, or how do you approach casting in general?

For most of the writing process, I try to think of somebody and write with their voice. So casting Gwyneth is reason why I wrote it for her. I have this memory of her. Obviously, she was acting until pretty recently, but I have this memory of her as a teenager, as a kid. In the movies, Obviously, earlier, 7, and Hard A, PTA, and Fincher, and my cinematographer shot 7. Those were early, you're into film, you're like, Wow, these are so... But then talented Mr. Ripley in great expectations, and And a perfect murder, amazing movie that she plays, and later Two Lovers by James gray. She's talked about as a movie star who hasn't acted in a long time immediately. And that, I think for her also, was really, really special because it was easy for her to tap into that. But she brought... She's cool. She's like a boulder, but also a feather at the same time. So she brings that to the movie in such a great way. But she said to me right before we started shooting. I scheduled it so that the first thing that we shot was her character acting on stage for the first time in 25 years.

And she turns to me, she's like, I hope I remember how to do this. It was something so like this person I looked up to and one of the greatest actors, and I just revered her. And now she's coming to me and she's so vulnerable. And it was so human. It was so It was so perfect.

That's the thing I think is so interesting about Gwyneth is she balances those two things, a lot of real self-awareness and self-assuredness and confidence, and then a very open, creative and vulnerable quality, both of them a lot. I'm so interested in talking to her about exactly that moment in your film. I can't wait to hear you guys talk about it. The moment in the film when she is on stage and she gets this glee that she's back. Oh, great moment. Great moment. Yeah. It's shot so beautifully and captured so beautifully. It does feel like we're talking to her in that moment when she's feeling like, I'm an actress again, whatever. Do you ever even really stop? To your point, she is one of the guests that I feel is the most projected upon. She is used to being looked at, which is already a hard thing. Totally. She can withstand being looked That's a hard thing.

I can't.

No, I- I can't.

My wife and I got married at City Hall, partially because I didn't want to stand on a aisle and get looked at. And she's, as people say, she's got that dog in her, and she's a lot. When I first went to meet with her, I just kept telling my agent, please just get me in front of her. I was like, full on Marty. And I pull up to her house and I go in. And there's this thing that Hollywood does that people don't... Sorry.

But there's someone else coming for croissants. People don't know about this.

It's something that I learned in Hollywood a little bit later. It's like when you go and you meet someone, in particular, someone of power, you go in and they have this trick that they do, I'm sure you know about this, where you have the assistant or someone they work with comes in after 15 minutes and they say, Oh, we have your next meeting is here. Do you want me to push it or do you want me to... Do you want jump now. And that's a little thing is to get them out of the meeting. Like, this is a hard one. I'm going to get out of it. And I saw her assistant come in after 15 minutes. It's like, oh, man, that was so brief. But we were really connecting on the history of this character. She's like, No, just push it. I was like, All right, I'm in. And she pushed it four times. So when I left, I was like, I think I did it. I think I convinced her to do this just based on the push rule.

Yes. Well, I know you are about to eat, and there's nothing more... It's the first rule of directing. When you have a croissant in the shot, you're going to have to eat it by the end of the interview.

Just ate one of the ones with the little... Look at this over here.

Look at this. Let's see what else we got. Josh is directing us. Oh, chocolate-covered donuts? Okay, so to finish out, I asked my Zoom guests to give me a question for the guest I'm talking to today. Is there anything big or small, important, not important, that you would want to hear in this conversation with me and her, or you wanted to always ask her, or advice, or thoughts, or anything that comes to mind?

Oh, man. What did your son think of the movie?

Beautiful, because you guys just had a premiere.

He just saw it. I spoke to him very briefly, and he felt he had this high about him. But I didn't get to tell you. You get pulled in all these directions. But I wanted to talk to him more. And his name is Moses, and the dog's name in the movie is Moses. And Moses is the purveyor, the moral. He's the moral purveyor.

I love that. And also, Josh, I just find it so awesome that as the movie is coming out and it's getting these huge reviews and it's out, people are getting to see it. You still care about what people think of it. It's important for you to hear how it's resonating.

In the room. I try not to pay attention or read the other stuff.

Oh, that's good. Well, I'm here to tell you it's a hit.

Oh, thank you. I hope so. It's a hit, baby. Oh, thank you. You have a good meter on you. So I'll think you're not bullshitting me there.

No, it's a hit. The kids love it. The critics love it. Awards all day, babe. Get ready. I don't believe in jinks's. Thank you so much for your time. I can't wait. Thank you. Send me a photo of you eating any baked goods that you get to get in that kitchen. Okay.

I really hope the camera didn't see me touching the food.

Thank you so much. Thank you so much for your time. Such a pleasure.

Have a good time talking to Grana. It's like talking to a movie star.

I can't wait. Okay. Okay. Thanks so much, Josh. I appreciate your time. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Got a resolution to save? Kick 2026 off right with Visible. It's a one-line wireless plan with unlimited data and hotspot for $25 a month, taxes and fees included, all on Verizon's 5G network. It's the ultimate wireless hack to save money and still get great coverage and a reliable connection. Now for a limited time, new members can get the Visible plan for just $19 a month for the first 26 months. Ring in the new year with code Switch26. Share the savings with a deal that is too good to keep quiet. Switch now at visible. Com. Terms apply, A limited time offer, subject to change. See visible. Com for plan features and network management details. Gwyneth is here. Gwyneth Paltrow is here, and we're checking her earrings. I feel like maybe- I feel like I need to come to you for this advice. Really? I'd love to see one-off.

I agree. What about that?

I like that better.

Oh, thank God.

No, I'm thrilled that you took my- Oh, God.

These are the worst. Yeah. I felt like they were these big boingers. Why do I need to do that?

And were they clip-ons?

Yes, and they were really painful. Yeah.

Thank you. Yeah. I don't think you need to boeing it up.

No more boingers, guys.

No more big boingers on your ears. That's what we're saying for 2026. Hi. Hi. I'm so happy you're doing this. This is so fun.

Thank you for being here. I've not seen you in such a long time.

No, I was trying to think. I feel like the last time we may have seen each other was Rob Lowe's 60th birthday party.

Oh, yeah.

The most incredible, young-looking 60-year-old in the world, Rob Lowe. Incredible.

It's all the plastic surgery. Yeah.

Over and over and over again. Over and over. I feel like I got to see briefly there and sat next to your wonderful husband and had a really good convo with Brad.

Yeah, that was it. But we didn't get to- We didn't. We didn't get a good hang. You know what I mean? We didn't.

I'm very excited to talk to you Oh, thanks. Thanks for being here.

Please lower your expectations.

I do enjoy a low expectation, too. But I wanted to start in the present. You play this character, in Marty Supreme, who is coming back to act Yeah. You are also doing that in a real way in the film. You haven't been in a movie for 10 years. There's this really beautiful moment in the movie where the actress hears the response, and it's really cool, and has this feeling of just, I don't know, joy of doing something again. Did you feel that when you were making this movie?

I did. I did feel it. I was so I don't know. It was like such a special group. Sometimes you do a project and you're like, Oh, this feels really special. It feels like we're making something worthwhile. I don't know if people will like it or not, but it's like a real swing, and everyone's great at their job. I was like, Wow, I think I missed this. It felt so, I don't know, not pedestrian. It felt very unique and special.

We had this thing where we talk to people behind their back, well, behind their back before they come on. Oh, boy. Okay. We talked to Josh Safty. Amazing. What was it like to work with him? What director is he? What was that experience like?

It's just great. I mean, he's brilliant and kinetic. What I love about working with him, too, is you never quite know what he's going for, so you never totally relax. You're like, What is he actually saying? What do I... Or you'll do something one way, and then he'll ask you to do the exact opposite, and then back to the first way. So you're like, What do you want? What are we going for? And I think that's by to unearth something surprising or very real.

Do you like that when people keep you challenged a little bit? Yeah. I do. Because it's like a trust that they feel like you can handle it.

As long as I think they're a good director.

Because when someone's doing it, I'm sure you've had this happen. There's no worse feeling in any job that you do, anywhere where you show up where you're like, Oh, the person in charge is not ready or not good.

I think what happens as an actor on that set is you become risk averse. You're like, I'm not going to go too far out on a limb here because I don't know if I'm in safe hands or not.

Are you the person that would take over a situation if there wasn't a good captain? No.

I mean, I would in the AD department. I do anyway. I'm like, Guys, come on, let's go. What are we doing?

Me too. It's actually like a problem I have to work on, which is like, Stop trying to shape the day.

Right. I mean, I just think I have an efficiency issue. I think what also really messed me up was when I went to go do Glee, and I saw how much they got done in one day.

Tv is incredible. It's a machine.

It's like you are never sitting there. You work all day. Everything's so quick. You leave the set and you're like, Oh, my God, we accomplished so much. We're like on a Marvel movie, you're in your trailer for 14 hours. I know.

Then even take TV and then go to SNL, which is an emergency room, which is like, We need something tomorrow. No problem. Then in films, it's like six months out and you're like, We can't do it. Is anyone going to come and get me? I'm going to die here.

I'm going to die in my trailer.

I know time is really weird. It's weird. Yeah. Like, time is your currency. That's the only thing that's important left.

That's right. And we're not making any more of it.

So Josh was so... And he said something very sweet, like his question for you, which is such a director's question and such a question from a director whose film has just come out is, what did your son think of the movie? He wanted to know what Moses thought of the movie.

That's so sweet. He loved the movie. After the screening, when I saw him, I said, he's like, it was incredible. I mean, I had to watch like this because there's some kissing. Sure. So that he was not a big fan of. Yeah. But other than that, he loved it.

So many people project so much stuff on you, Gwyneth. You get so much stuff projected on you, and you You spoke at the Hollywood Reporter event, you were receiving an award, the Sherry Lansing-Leadership. Leadership Award. And you spoke really beautifully about it, about this idea of versions of ourselves. Because I do think that every woman, everyone, man, woman, understands it. Hopefully, if you're doing some work and you're having some life experience, you keep shedding stuff and figuring out things about yourself. And having those versions be out in the world is really difficult because people get to have opinions about it, but everybody understands that feeling. Yeah. Okay. With that in mind, I want to go to the tiny doll, the little Gwyneth, because I know people that knew you when you were little.

You sure You know?

Maya Rudolf went to elementary school with you. What do you remember about being with her when you two were little people?

Well, our fathers were best friends from Tulane University.

Wow.

Maya came to our elementary school right after her mother died, unfortunately. I remember my dad saying, Oh, my friend's daughter's coming. We just became great friends since seven years old. I think our our senses of humor really developed together with our other best friend or a couple of them. Then they all went to high school together. I moved to New York, but stayed close with them forever and ever.

It must be nice to have Dick Rudolf, Maya's amazing dad, in your life, too, because he knows so much about your dad who passed. To have somebody who knew your dad when. That's always important. It's the best.

It's so important. It conjures them again. When they're in the room, they talk about them, and then it's like all of a sudden you feel the person. It's so nice.

Then you go to New York, you go to Spence. What high school? What are you like in high school? Are you confident?

I think I... We moved to New York City when I started seventh grade. I was coming from California, so I was a very rare bird. Middle Middle school is so brutal. I know.

It's so tender. It's very tender.

It's like scarring for life, I think.

It is. It's very... Everybody's trying on a lot of things. Exactly. Maybe I'm emo. Maybe I only talk to animals.

Right. I was trying all kinds of things.

How old were you when you did your... Was Heartate your first film with PTA?

No, my first film, I was Probably 18, something like that. I had a few films where I had one line.

Sometimes it's hard to have one line because there's a lot of pressure.

And you're in the mirror saying your one line, saying it again.

Did you ever get fired from a job?

I got fired from... I worked in Madison Avenue in a toy store, and I got fired. But you mean a movie job?

Why did you get fired from the toy store?

Do you remember why? Because my parents always made my brother and I have jobs after school. I didn't know that like, oh, everyone doesn't just go on spring break. People have jobs. I went on spring break, and then I can't tell anybody. No. Then I came back and I remember the look on the one in his face. She's like, no.

Where are you? She was like, no toys were sold.

She's like, this is not how life works. She's like, you're done here. I was so crushed. Oh, yeah. I was It was like 12. It was brutal. Twelve? I should have sued her for child labor law violations. But anyway, I feel like I did get... I was supposed to do a movie at one point where... It was right after the conscious uncoupling thing with Chris, and there was a lot of harsh stuff in the press. I think the distributor was like, This might be too hot to touch. Interesting.

They were like, We don't need the heat. Interesting.

That was great because I was getting a divorce, and then I got fired off. It was so awesome.

They were like, Oh, sorry that my divorce is bothering you. Yeah, sorry. I mean, if I can stay there for a second, boy, you were ahead of your time. You really were. Thank you.

Because you gave- Which is good and bad.

I know. It's probably not easy. I think you've been in that position before, but you gave a... And it wasn't your term. It was a term you were talking about. Yes. To bracket this idea that If you want to, you can try to make the dissolution of a marriage be one that isn't deeply painful. You can try your best. You can have all of the feelings, but you can still try together to make a conscious effort to do that. That's what you were talking about. And it's really interesting that people had such big reactions to that.

Yeah, huge. Because I think, say you had a really nasty divorce, or your parents had had a really nasty divorce. And then you hear this idea that it doesn't have to be done this way. I think the implicit learning is like, Oh, fuck. They're saying I did something wrong, which, of course, was not the intention. But I think, of course, that makes sense to me. Like, Oh, no. Is the inference that I mess someone up? That's not a nice thing to contemplate. So I do understand why it was so personal for people because it was. You only see that reaction when it's personal.

So true. And I think, too, when we're defensive about anything, it's saying a lot about something. And when we're hurt, we say things we don't mean.

We get angry. We respond. That's humanity.

Yeah. Comedy is a little bit interesting in this way, too, which is what we ridicule, what we make fun of. It says so much about us. What we laugh at makes us so much about us. What we think is. And it tells on you. It really tells on you. Totally.

You reveal yourself. You do.

And I have to I would say, I've always really admired your sense of humor about people's reactions to things. You have to have it. We got to experience... I got to do SNL with you and see how funny you were. It was weird. We had fun. We did have fun. I was just thinking today about the stuff that we did together.

Do you remember? I was thinking about that sketch we did where Will played our dad.

Yeah, so Will was our angry dad.

We were like, gangster teenagers, thinking we were gangsters.

I think the joke of the scene was we just quietly ate dinner. We were scraping the plate.

We would have an outburst and then go back to quietly eating awkward teenagers with the family. The second time, I was definitely less nervous. The third time, I was... I feel like I got to enjoy it. It was fun to meet different incarnations of the cast and stuff. I think was on Jimmy's first season.

I know there was a sketch with you and Dratch and Jimmy when they used to do like, Sally and Denise, like Boston Teens. Oh, yeah. They were at the prom.

Oh, my God. That's right. I totally forgot about that. Yeah.

You did a pretty good Boston accent, I have to say. Thank you. That's not easy.

It isn't easy. Now, I married a guy from Boston.

I mean, Bostonians are really picky about the Boston accent. Yeah.

Well, there's different kinds. There's the Patricia one, and then there's- Which is pretty much gone.

Pretty much The Kennedy one is gone. There's just your local Dunkin' Donuts.

My husband doesn't have really a Boston accent, except on O-word. He's like, Stock. He says, Stock? Yeah, you can just like... It's very...

Oh, that's nice.

He's like, Sox. It's just subtle, but it's there.

Totally, Sox. I get it when I get a little angry or a little tired. You do? I had a hard time when I would do Parks and Rec with the word... I still have hard time with it. Government.

How do you say it in a moment?

Because I want to say government. I want to skip over the E-R-N. I want to get rid of the R.

Yeah, get rid of it.

Yeah, get who cares.

Who cares? Say it your way.

Okay, you're an actress. You do 15 movies in five years.

Wow, that's psycho.

I mean, babe.

That's problematic.

How did you do that?

I have no idea. It's probably why I quit for 10 years afterwards. I was like, no, I'm not doing this. No. 15. That's insane. I know.

Can you imagine?

I just like... But this touches back on what we were talking about, which is I didn't feel like I knew myself and had the agency to say no. I felt I better just keep going and going and going. I didn't bring a lot of strategy to it. Yeah, well, you don't know what you don't know.

We can't be tough on ourselves. You're trying to figure out, especially in your 20s. I mean, your 20s is, I think, a really difficult decade.

Oh, my gosh. It really is. It is painful. It's just you don't know at all who you are.

If there's a problem, how do you like people telling you about a problem? Let's say I'll make up a problem. Let's say someone isn't going to show up for something that you want to do. Like, your schedule is to do something today, and it's not going to happen. How do you like being told about the problem?

Just straight up.

Yeah, that's what I suspect from you.

I don't want to preamble. I don't want you to soften the language. Just be direct.

Same. A direct approach. It's always... And are you direct with other people?

Yes, now I am. I didn't used to be.

Do they What do you do when you notice that your directness makes them uncomfortable? What do you do with their uncomfortable feeling?

Well, I'm a recovering codependent. I used to do anything and everything not to say the thing that would make the waters choppy. And then I realized how many more problems I caused, like real problems.

I so relate. Can you say more about this? Yeah.

I think when you don't say what needs to be said in the moment to spare somebody else's feelings, first of all, you're rejecting the truest part of yourself, and then it's going to come out another way. And that's like you'll end up being dishonest, you'll You'll end up not saying what needs to be said. You'll end up stringing out some lame relationship for eight extra months and treating them not so nicely because you have stuck yourself in something. You just make a mess. So I think I think around the time I turned 40 is when I started to move into this, I really need to stop doing this. I worked with a coach on how to hold the uncomfortable feelings of somebody else and disappointing somebody else. I really had a problem with it with men. When I worked with men, really hard time disappointing them or saying something that wasn't aligned with their version of things. Now, I don't know. Then it's so self-honoring when you just speak the truth and you can do it very kindly. And it's also not your responsibility to take care of somebody's feelings when you've simply said the truth.

It's not just women. Everyone needs to learn it, but especially when you learn as a woman our age that people are responsible for their own feelings. It sounds like a very simple thing, but it's very, very hard to learn.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Barb.

Now that you're in a new film, are you able to look back at some of the films that you've been in and see... Be kinder to yourself about stuff? Are you able to be a little bit sweeterer to yourself about anything?

Yeah. I think as far as the work is concerned, I think that I had such a long break and things have changed. It's like now I'm the venerable old... You know what I mean? I did this interview with Jacob Alorty the other day, and he was like, You've done this and this. I'm like, Fuck, I'm old as hell. It's so weird.

People are like, My mom, I remember.

My mom loves you.

When my mom was in high school, she loved SNL. I'm like, God, can I get a selfie for my mom?

How old am I? But I do think that there's There's been a bit of a... It's so interesting because now I'm like, Oh, yeah. I did these things that now... At the time, you don't think that they're going to be whatever. And then it's like people send you 10 pictures every Halloween of Margot Tenenbaum costumes or people say, Oh, God, I had a sliding doors moment where I X, Y, and Z. You know what I mean? Yes. Cultural things have stuck. Yes, exactly. And, Oh, I worked with this great director in his first film, and this one in his second. This one is first. I'm like, Yeah, cool. I did do that stuff. That's neat. And it feels like for the first time, I'm able to feel the impact of the work that I did earlier in my life.

Okay, so with that in mind, I'm going to do a quick speed round with you about your movies because you've been in so many, and I feel like you've talked about them forever. But here we go. It's speed round. Shakespeare in Love. What words help you get into a British accent?

It's like the vowels. You have to change the placement of the vowels. Any words like the A's, the O's, and words like perfect.

Cold Mountain. How cold was the mountain?

I wasn't in Cold Mountain.

Oh, forget it then.

But thanks for thinking of Nicole Kidman. Bonus.

Wait, why did I think you were in Cold Mountain? Unintended, bonus. Unintended, bonus.

I don't know, but I'm so happy you did.

Eyes wide shut. What was it like working with your husband, Tom Cruise?

Oh, he was hot.

Yeah, I bet. Iron Man. Is there a lot of waiting around? You answered that. That was my question. Is there a lot of waiting around on Iron Man?

So much waiting.

Cruel. Crafty must be good. Marvel Crafty must be insane.

I don't know.

Interesting. They cheap out on Crafty. You know what?

I have to say, I think Snap Snack foods can be dangerous.

And snacking is, at least I know for me, is completely emotional.

Yeah.

Completely emotional.

Yeah, it is, isn't it? Yeah.

It's just like if you're not having a cigarette or you're going for a drink.

Those were the days.

I know. Remember cigarettes? We talk about it here and we know they're very bad for you, but God. God, that was... You came up with such a great time.

I know, man. I know. You know what I decided? When I'm 87. I'm going to start smoking again.

Fantastic. I remember when we were in the 2000s, when there was a lot of that. Then also, you were the first person to say the word macrobiotic diet. You were on a macrobiotic diet.

Yeah, that That was a great phase where it was cigarettes and tofu with the brown rice and the seaweed. I don't know what. I was just trying to integrate.

Just cleaning your house while it's on fire thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. Sliding doors, you mentioned it. Do you ride the subway?

Do I ride the subway? Yeah. I mean, I haven't in a while because I don't live in New York City anymore. But when I did, I took it all the time.

And you have to go pretty incognito. Do you feel like you can blend?

Yeah. Don't you feel like New Yorkers are just... Totally. New Yorkers don't care. They don't care. Yeah.

Contagin. Was it weird that everybody was watching it during the pandemic?

Yes.

Everyone was watching it.

I know.

Everyone got really into dark shit. I know. And it's like they wanted to see you dying.

I know. It was very- Your character. It was very- It was weird. I know.

Royal Tenenbaum's Halloween costume. Yeah.

And so much more.

And so much more. You're smiling.

What's your- I just love. I really love that movie.

Yeah, it's a great movie.

I had such a good time making the movie. Yeah.

It's such a cool character. She's so cool.

She's so cool. She's so cool.

I know. With her wooden finger. I know. We talk about cigarettes. I know.

I quit smoking, and then I had to smoke in the movie.

You were like, Oopsy.

I was like, I guess I smoke again.

That fur coat Whose idea was that the costume?

I know. It's all Wes. Wes knows how he wants every single prop and costume and everything. He's so wonderfully specific. I loved that. I loved stepping into this drawing of his.

Yeah, that's what it felt like. It's so cool. Talented Mr. Ripley. Speaking of clothes, did you use any of your own clothes in that film, or did you keep any of your so...

I should have kept some... I wish I had kept a couple, like one souvenir from every movie, but I never thought to do that at the time. Anne Roth, who's the most legendary costume designer, did that movie. Them. She was just so amazing. Oh, I love those costumes so much.

But legendary costume designers can also be really intimidating because they don't let you keep anything. That's true. View from the top. Do flight attendants talk to you about that? They do. Yeah.

That's the best part of having done that movie.

Do you ever think about a fantasy other job you would do? Would there be a job, whether it's flight attendant or where you would feel like you'd be good at it?

I would like to be a chef if I wasn't. I think I could have done that well. I love cooking and food. Yeah, that would be... I could have a little restaurant somewhere.

I'm a hook. Robin Williams.

Oh, my gosh. I didn't get to do any- I thought you were just about to say I wasn't in Hook. No, I wasn't in hook. I'm not panicking.

Panicking. Don't think I will forever think all my whole life that I said you were in Cold Mountain. I just wanted you to know.

Listen, this is an honest mistake. Nicole Kidman and I are very interchangeable. Thank you very much.

But did you work with Robin?

No, I didn't.

Did you get to know him?

I only got to know him a bit when Goodwill hunting came out because I was dating one of the people who wrote that movie and was in that movie.

We're well aware.

I got to know him then.

You guys were dating during Goodwill hunting. Fantastic Boston movie.

After. But when it was coming out.

And so he was around for that press and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He's so good in that movie. That movie really is- He's so good.

I love that movie. Me, too. It's a perfect movie.

I agree. I love it so much. It's a fantastic movie. And it's so a rainy day movie.

It's like a rainy day movie. And Elliot Smith, who did all of music, and Gus. It's just perfect. I love it so much.

What's a rainy day? What's a movie that when it comes on, you're like, Jackpot, I'm going to watch it. Like a rainy day, a plain movie, something if you're like, I'm going to watch this.

I like all the '80s movies. Me too. What? Like San Oma's Fire. I will never not watch that if it's on.

Getting back to Rob Loh, Rolo, as we called him on set, I would just sometimes sit there and- Rochito. I know. He's always said.

He loves it. He's never really had a nickname, he said. And the best thing is it didn't spread as much as you guys tried to make it a thing.

We all call him Rolo. We call him Rolo, but it didn't go outside. You know what I mean?

And he really, I think, wants it to go outside. Of course.

He's like, I've never had a nickname.

I know. He loves it.

I remember the first day on set, me saying to Rolo, it was his birthday, and he was shooting on his birthday. And I was like, Oh, I Have you ever been on set for your birthday? He was like, Yes, like 400 times. I was like, Right. You've had a long career. Saint Homo's Fire, Billy.

Rolo as Billy.

Rolo as Billy. Bad boy. Can't change him. Heaven. Heaven.

He was never my celebrity crush.

Who was?

I mean, well, Keanu Reeves was my first real. But when I watched Saint Homo's Fire, I wanted to... I would have gone with Jud Nelson.

Oh, interesting. You wanted them more professional. Yeah. Billy was too hectic.

You don't really like smart and cheater. That was my type. Yeah.

Also, when you rewatch that movie, it's like everyone is dressed so professionally. I know. We really did dress like... When we were in our 20s, we dressed like we were 60-year-old Wall Street.

Yeah, the '80s was it. It's happening again now. Not the Wall Street thing, but this grandma chic. All the hipster cool kids are... It's like the soft... Everything's soft shoulders and knitted things. You tell me.

I got a quarter zip just for this interview. So you tell me.

It's looking really good.

Thank you so much. You're welcome. Okay. And Han, both Han, you brought up Rachida. Both Rachida and Han love you and talk about how fun it is to hang with you and how they both... And they're, I think, representative of I have a lot of people who want to know what you think about things because they trust your style. They trust what you said, the work you try to do to figure out what is the best thing of things. And it's not even about the things. It's just like, is there someone who's keeping an eye out and figuring out, is there a better way to do something? You love that. Love that. Where do you think that comes from?

I I think I'm an enneagram one.

Okay, jackpot. Here we go.

I'm always trying to improve everything. Great.

Which is a blessing. I don't know anyone who's listening to this who hasn't, hopefully. What is an enneagram one? How would you describe it?

Are you into the enneagram thing?

Very much. Again. Okay, do you want to guess my number? Nobody ever gets it right. God. Here we go. I always get the wrong... People guess the wrong number, which saddens me because I love- Can I ask you- Yes, ask some questions?

Please. Okay. How would you describe yourself as someone who really enjoys a dinner party?

Yes.

Okay. Would you describe yourself as somebody who is very focused on achieving?

Yes.

Are you a pacemaker?

No. You're talking about three, you're talking about nine. I'm neither one of those.

I know. That's what I just gleaned. Yeah.

So how- I have a pacemaker wing Okay.

So you're a one. You're not a one with a two wing? No. Okay. You're not an eight.

Yes, I am. You are.

Okay. You're an eight. Why don't people know this? You're an eight. I am an eight. You're an eight with a nine wing. Yes.

So I'm not a monster, right? Because I got a little peacemaker in me. But I'm a challenger. You're a challenger. I think I hide it, but I definitely relate to all of that feeling of authority stuff and challenging a little bit and wanting to lead and feeling very happy with direct people. I'm like you. I really like when people tell me the truth in a direct, I can handle it all day But when people come sideways, I'm like, What's going on?

Yeah, it's such a bad icky feeling.

Bad feeling. I love Enneagram ones because ones are on it.

Yeah, we're on it.

They believe in getting it right. They're the hardest on themselves. Oh, yeah. They are really hard on themselves.

We are trying to make things better. We're the reformer.

I've always been refining to figure out what is a better to get efficient, to do it?

Yeah, to improve yourself, to feel contentment, to reduce inflammation, to be a good partner, to be a good divorce person. Yeah.

Okay, so With your striving for perfection in mind, I have another one more speed round.

Perfection speed round. Here we go.

Make it perfect. Cold plunge. A lot of controversy about whether or not it's right for women. I said that I do it, and there were a lot of comments saying it's not good for women. Do you do it? Do you like to do it? How do you feel about it?

I do do it more sparingly. My husband does it every single day. I spend a lot of time researching this. What I think I understand that the net net of it is cold plunging is not unilaterally terrible for women, but we need to listen to ourselves and maybe not the water quite as cold as the men Like that. Maybe not quite as long as the men. And to just be mindful of where we are, if we're exhausted, because it can be quite taxing on the body, but there are still benefits for us.

Speaking of temperature, what do you like for your sleeping temperature?

Well, the older I get, the colder I like it.

Me too.

I like in the '60s.

Yeah, me too. I love it. I love it. Cozy. Alcohol after 50.

Oh, why did they have to ruin it for us? I know.

It's a disaster.

It's such a bummer.

Coffee?

Yes, big time. I'm a big coffee drinker.

How do you drink your coffee?

With raw heavy cream.

What?

I know. Shocked.

I know. That's from New York of you and not California. I know.

Good job. I'm not the alt milk queen.

Yeah. Same.

Yeah. Oh, do you have regular milk? I have mom. Or cow milk?

I have half and a half.

Yeah.

No shame in it. But I don't really do coffee. I do tea. Oh, that's very civilized. Because coffee is a little... That's very civilized. Very English. Okay. Lemon water.

Love it.

Great. Bone density. What are we going to do about it?

We're going to talk to our doctor about potential estrogen supplementation. Totally. We're going to do heavy weights. Yes. Lots of heavy weights. Are you doing heavy weights? Yeah. I do it on this giant, really heavy Pilates reformer thing called the Lagrie.

Fantastic. That seems to be good. It looks this up right now. Yeah. Look that up.

It's called the Lagrie. It's very, very good. And we're going to gag down protein 70 times a day.

Bone broth? Has that come and gone?

Bone broth is great. Are we still in? I still like bone broth. I I think it's fantastic for your gut. It's full of protein and collagen, all the things. For some reason, people thought I only drank bone broth. But I'll have it as a cup of tea in the afternoon. That's my favorite way to have it.

Interesting. Sleep routine. Talk me through it.

Okay. I have to take a bath every night. Wow. Yeah. Have to. Non-negotiable. Interesting. If there's not a bathtub, then I have to shower. I got to get the day off with water. I think part of my good sleep routine is eating dinner early, so not going to bed on a full stomach. Yes.

What time do you like to eat dinner? I like it at 6: 00. Okay, me too. I make my reservations at 6: 00 PM.

So do I. I love it so much. Great.

Honestly, sometimes I like to be the first person in the restaurant.

I was last night. I did 5: 45 last night. Incredible. I know.

To be in bed and have eaten by 8: 00 Is there anything better? No. I think about bedtime all day. Me too. I love it so much. I know, me too.

I love it so much. Then Brad and I usually watch something in bed, which I know you're not supposed to.

I know.

But it's so deeply relaxing to me. Get in there in a cold room and watch some serial killer doing something. It's so great. Then go to sleep and then, oh, I have mouth tape and earplugs.

Mouth tape.

Yeah, I'm big into the mouth tape.

I know that's controversial too, mouth tape, because there's a whole mouth tape movement. There's pro, but mouth tape is helpful. Are you a grinder?

I'm a grinder. It's helpful for me. Also, I really believe that there's no one-size-fits-all solution. We're all so different. We have such different genetics, different phenotypes, different tolerances, allergies, toxic loads. This idea that one thing works for everyone, I think, is not true.

See, this is why we love you, Gwyneth. It's true. You just said all this stuff, and it was like, you are not selfish. You are not a gatekeeper.

No, that I am not.

You're like, I'm trying this. Would you like to try this? I don't think this works, but who knows? It's interesting. It's like, even though you maybe consider yourself a person who's trying to get it right, you're not afraid to try and fail with things, and you share it with us. For sure. Yeah.

Yeah. I believe in... I mean, also because I'm such a researcher and such a guinea pig, I want to share the learnings. Then take it or leave it.

Okay. And then the last thing I'm going to ask you about is, what is making you laugh?

So the thing that's made me laugh the hardest in the past year, when was the SNL thing that I lazily did not go to because I- You didn't go to the SNL 50?

No.

Wow. I know. It was a mistake, and I regret it. So I just want to say that out loud.

You were like, Oh, that's... You just thought like, Oh, I'll wait another 50 years.

I was like, oh, that's fun. I was like, oh, I'll wait another 50 years. I was like, it seems like I had so much work at the time.

It's going to be hectic.

And I was like, I got to go all the way to New York, and I had something the next day, so I just couldn't go. But I watched the thing at Radio City or whatever. What was the night before thing?

Yes, incredible music show the night before. Wait, what are you going to say? I love it. I don't know. I'm going to try to...

When Anna and Will. Yes. Did the church thing.

I talked to Anna about it. Bobby and Marty. Did you write that? I wish. No, Paula Pell, the great Paula Pell. Incredible writer on SNL and performer. And Anna and Will do these Bobby and Marty cult.

And she starts singing Kendric Lamar.

Yes. And what Anna said, which was so incredible, is... I got to tell you something, and I think I said this to Anna, but I just want to extrapolate for a second about it. To me, it was like such a win for the Comedy Kids because it was such a cool night. They literally followed Lauryn Hill. They came on after Lauryn Hill, and their job was to settle everybody. They had to go like, We're going to wait. We're going to wait until you stop talking. Quiet. They kept telling everyone to be quiet. And it was so funny.

To me, that's like that. I don't know what brand of comedy you call that, but it's like that funny bones. What was the Kendrick Lamar song?

She's like, We got to look at it for a second. What was it? Please look it up. Yeah, let's just watch it. I hope we can get it on... Is the 50th SNL on?

Yeah, it was on Hulu or something like that.

Here we go.

Honestly, I... I'm a commitment.

I'm sorry. I know. The commitment.

What humor? What do you call that? I'm sweating.

To me, what I would call that, honestly, it's a great question. To me, I would call it committed. No, you're not even spending time. We got a spit take. Our first one. We got our first spit take on Good Hang, and it's Quinnin. It's all over my skirt. Here we go. Here's some good hang tissue. Oh my God. I can't breathe. It's so funny. Wait, let's play it again.

Please don't.

I'm sweating. I'm dying.

Oh my God. Okay, so that's called sketch comedy? I need a fan.

We're having a hot flash. Oh my God. I'm the one in the quarters at- A sketch comedy-induced hot flash. Yes. I feel like what you're talking about is real, Which is, I feel like it is commitment. It's commitment. Here, I'll take it.

I'll pick it up on my way out.

I feel like it's commitment. And I feel like it's character-based sketching with music.

That's how I describe it. To me, that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. I know what you mean. It's these weird specific things.

And in person, it was so funny. That was really fun.

It was really fun.

Gwyneth, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. You're such a good hang.

You're a good hang.

Thank you so much, Gwyneth. It's so fun to hang with you. And you gave us this first spit take that we've I've ever had on the show, and we hope it's not the last. So thank you so much. And for this Polar Plunge, I want to talk about Polar Plenges. I want to talk about cold dips. There was a lot of controversy when I brought it up last time. And I am here to just remind you, you don't have to do it. I like it. It makes me feel alive, slash, like I'm going to die. And I like it. I know it might not be good for all women, and maybe it's not It's good for me. I'll find out, okay? But I'm going to keep plunging, and it does make me feel better, okay? I don't know. I don't know what to say. I appreciate. I'm not telling anybody to do it, but if you want to do it, I think it's great. Okay, anyway. Thank you so much for listening. Thanks, Gwyneth, for joining us. See you soon. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weis-Burman, and me, Amy Poehler.

The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya MacMullen, and Elea Zanaras. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovelle, and Jenna Weis-Burman. Original music by Amy Miles. All I ever wanted was a really good hang.