Transcript of Rachel Sennott

Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very excited about our guest today. It is the great Rachel Senate, a super interesting, funny, charismatic actress, producer, writer. You know her from the film, Chiva Baby, from Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, From Bottoms. She has a new show that's out right now on HBO called I Love LA. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about so many things. Open mic nights. We're going to talk about TikTok and how to use it and work it and what we love about it. She's going to give me fashion advice, and she's going to give me reasons to love LA, which is what her show is all about. So very great conversation. But before we get started, we always talk to someone who knows our guest, who can tell me something about our guest and give me a question to ask our guest. We have another supremely talented, delightful young woman joining us today, Molly Gordon. Molly Gordon is an actor. You may know her from the hit show The Bear, where she plays Claire. She is Claire on the Bear. She's in films such as Theater Camp in Ohio, She's super talented.

Molly is going to join us and give us some info about her buddy, Rachel. Hi, Molly. Can you hear me? This episode of Good Hang is presented by Walmart Express Delivery, Getting gifts to your doorstep in as fast as an hour. Who needs elves when Walmart Express Delivery can make Nespresso machines magically appear on your doorstep? And if you do happen to forget something, no judgment. You can even order gifts up until 5: 00 PM on December 24th. Santa, you might want to take notes. Download the Walmart app or head to walmart. Com and get your gifts delivered fast. Subject to availability, terms and fees apply. Hi. It's nice to meet you.

Yeah, I've always seen you from afar, and I'm trying to send you very It's an intense love, and I don't know if I've fully found my way over. But honestly, I've been listening to your podcast before I go to sleep, so you've been spending a lot of intimate time with me.

Oh, yay. That makes me feel happy. I'm thrilled you wanted to talk today.

I'm so excited to talk about my wife.

She really is your wife. I was looking at the stuff that you and Rachel have done together and how long you've known each other, and you really are legally married.

We're She's legally married. Yeah, she's my wife. We talk every single day.

Wow.

If one of us doesn't respond, we'll just keep calling. And it's hard to know when it's an emergency or not, I would say, with her. But yeah, she's an incredible human being, and you guys together is going to be magic.

Well, I'm thrilled to talk about her today with you. But before I do, let's not forget about Molly. Okay. What's Molly up to today?

I'm prepping a movie that I'm going to direct. Fantastic. That I'm actually going to send you, Amy, at some point, so we can... Yeah. You have to tell me live on the podcast if you want to be a part of it or not. But I'm good. I made hot tea, and then I burn my whole mouth and then spit it out all over the computer. And that's where I'm at right now.

Let's talk about tea for a second, because I'm a tea girl more than a coffee girl. Are you two?

I like tea. I violently wake up and I want seven coffees, a matcha. Then I have a tea around three.

Okay. And what tea do you like to drink?

So I love this hot cinnamon spice, Harnie & Sons tea, but usually English breakfast or a Peppermint. You?

Thanks for asking. My favorite tea is an Irish tea called Berry's Tea, which I highly recommend. And it's a black tea. And I don't like any other. I mean, maybe occasionally I'll Can I do a peppermint. If I've had a big meal. You just want to chill out?

We needed to move through you in a way. Totally got it. Yeah, totally.

But I've switched entirely from... I used to be a coffee person, and I'm totally tea, and it's made a diff.

Do you feel like that's changed your whole personality?

It definitely has changed my stomach's personality because I used to have to drink coffee like it was melted ice cream, tons of cream and sugar.

Yes.

And now it's helped a lot to not have to get into that, just to have that much shit in my stomach.

To not have to go to the bathroom every moment. Totally. Yeah. I moved back to New York and I was like, Oh, It's really fun to drink so much coffee and then be trying to make it home to your house. I was nostalgic living in LA for that, am I going to make it home?

Yes. I mean, for people who, and this happens in a lot of cities, but you get to know where you have to quickly go to the bathroom. You have to learn. And in Los Angeles, you're in trouble. You spend a lot of time in your car.

It's tough. They're pretty kind at a sweet green, I do have to say. They're sweet. Yeah, they're sweet.

So when was the first time you met? Tell us about your meet you and when you met your wife.

I met my wife. Emman Saliman, the director of Chiva Baby, had a set of breakfast for me and Rachel And we all ate. And Rachel thought I was a real actress because Rachel had just been a stand-up, and she was asking me a lot what it's like to be a real actress and lots of questions. And I was like, I'm just I don't really get work. And we're because I've been in one movie. And then we read the script together and she was so funny. And I had just never met women my age that were that unapologetically ambitious. She is so honest about what she wants in her life and what she does, what she's trying to achieve, what she does every day. And I would always hide that I wanted those things. And I feel it was just so inspiring. But yeah, I agree. I think she showed me with that film, she was trying out so many different things. And that movie is a lot about sexual and all these things. But she just showed me you don't have to fit in some box. She was like, sometimes I want to do this, sometimes I want to do this.

Sometimes I want to do this. I don't know. When I was thinking about what I wanted to ask her, I was like, How did you have that confidence?

Where did that come from? That's exactly what I wanted to start with. But it's a funny question, right? I've been doing this podcast for a while, and there's people that come in and I want to say, How did you know what you knew? How did you get this sense of yourself? And it's a hard one answer because sometimes it's just the way that they came out into the world.

Totally. And she's still, speaking of what we're saying about containing multitudes, she's still really vulnerable. But the first time I met her, Amy, she was like, I wrote four scripts. I'm doing this. I want to do this. And I have just never seen anyone act that way because you think, oh, that's going to show that you have a big head or something. But it's like, no, she wants to create things. But I don't know. You can get into it with her. But it's like, yeah, she wants to create things, and she wants to have great sex, and she wants to have a great meal, and she wants to cuddle with her friends. She wants all of those things, and there's nothing wrong with that. And you don't need to choose one lane to be in or something.

She have a baby was made for $200,000?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah, it's crazy.

And how much did it end up making?

And that all went to me.

Yeah, your quote was $199,000.

Yeah, I had only worked a little bit, but my quote was... I don't know how much it made, but it definitely not that much because it came out in COVID. We do have to say, Emma and I and Rachel always laugh that the movie is huge in London. We don't think... A lot of people don't know it in the States, but in London, we're huge.

You walk around and it's like the Beatles.

In London, I'm having to go like this, but everywhere else, it's. There must be a lot of Jewish women who have sex at Chivas. I don't know.

Good for them. And they all live in London. Okay, so just to be clear, your question for Rachel is what?

My question for Rachel is people have said that you, from a young age, were very unapologetically ambitious. Where did that come from or how did you learn to be that way? Where did that instinct, where was the through line?

Great question. Okay. And then The last thing I'll say, is there anything you want me to... Any story you want me to prompt Rachel to tell? Because she's a very good storyteller, I've noticed, on these things.

I'd love for you to ask her about the first time that she was fingered. Fantastic. I'm sorry. It's an incredible story, and she used to do it in... Oh, and I'd also love you to ask her if she'll come back to stand Great.

So did she tell her fingering story on stage? Okay, great.

It's not like a violation. You can say Molly or someone was bringing up some of your first pleasureing experience, whatever. But I think her and I don't need to get back to stand up. I know they're famous actors now, but it's like, come on, we got to see you on stage. I know.

They're so funny. And stand up is... I want to talk to her about it because as you know, and you know from being on stage, if If you can be on stage and hang in there, you build a muscle where you can handle almost anything. Almost anything. It's so good talking to you. In the course of us talking, your hair has looked incredible down and also looks incredible up.

I have to be honest, it's a gorgeous up to. It's so dirty, but it's really stunning.

It is stunning.

I'll end like, and then you got like, perfect.

It looks like you're just ready to walk out in the streets of London and just be mobbed.

I got to get to London.

I just got to get to London.

All right. Have a glass. Okay.

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I love it. I love it. I love that we're both short. Me too. I always talk about, is it a short set or a tall set?

It's very true because we can't reach things. Things are too high for us. Also, I don't like feeling short. No. Does that make sense?

Right now, I'm feeling very tall. Okay, good. I'm feeling 5'6. We're both giving 5'6 right now. We are?

Yeah. That's my dream. Because This is my dream, actually. Me, too. I'm with Rachel Senate. She is here. Rachel, I'm so happy that you're here.

I am so happy that you're here, and so is my entire family. My dad was freaking out, and he was like, Tell me about your dad. I'm addicted to him. I love my dad.

Okay, this is what is so incredible about people in their 30s. They love their parents.

You take a journey, and I literally just turned 30 a couple of weeks ago, and I locked. It's almost like you have to go away and be like, I'm an adult. You don't even fucking know me. And then something shifted and you're like, You're my friends.

You know what? I do want to talk about that. That's actually really deep. It does happen. In your 20s, you have to separate. Yes.

And it's painful. It's painful.

Was it painful for you?

Yes. And I'm scared because I know of everything I've done. I'm like, both of my parents are absolutely listening to every second of this. Other things, they're like, We'll skip that one. So I'm like, Let me try to-well, tell me about your parents.

What are they like? What did they do? What was their job? Because here's one of my highest compliments? Yes. You seem like a Manhattan nepo baby, and you're not.

Girl, don't flirt with me. Thank you. Thank you.

Congrats.

Thank you. I am maybe an insurance nepo baby, basically in that my dad works in insurance, and he did hook me up with car insurance multiple times because I was driving around with a car with no insurance, getting in car accidents, and he was like, Let me help you.

He was like, This is what I This is what I do.

This is what I do. So my parents both were accountants, and they met when they were both accountants at the same firm. And then fell in love, dated secretly. Fun. Because they were like, We got to keep it low-key. Which like, you-They're like, We don't want it to mess with the numbers.

We don't want it to mess with the numbers. We don't want our romance to get to screw up the numbers.

Literally. By the way, when they got married, they got a mug that said, which doesn't make sense. A mug that said, Beware of accountants, they multiply. Which I'm like, They don't. You two were already accountants, and then you got together, and none of your five children are accountants.

Well, excuse me, five children, that's a lot of children. Where are you in the birth order of that?

I'm second oldest. So they fell in love and they just started.

They multiplied.

And they multiplied. They started popping up out. And I will say I feel like they Having five or four siblings, but being in a big family is a huge part of who I am because I think it's like, automatically, you have so many different personalities. It's like, if you put us all together, you You could make connections between pairs, but some of it is really random, where you're all of you guys. And I think my parents did a really good job raising us and taking everyone, basically not putting anyone's needs above another. Everyone's career and what everyone does is equally important. And you had to shout at the dinner table to be heard. And you automatically have to compromise because there's no way everyone's going to be happy all the time. There's five people.

You have two very right-brained parents, it sounds like, too. And you have pursued a very artistic path. In your family, with the siblings, does it go either way? There's some people that are strong in stem, and numbers people, and other people that are artists.

I would say we've got, I'm going to say three artists. But because I'm going to say my mom is secret artist. She did my first play ever with me. I was like, I really want to audition for a play. And she was like, I'll audition with you. This is so different. Different. And she sings and plays piano. So it's like, I feel like the art was there. My dad, not an artist, but trying to make everyone else do art. So he forced me and my siblings to play in a quartet for our family.

That's very mathy. That's very numbery. Yes.

Like, you will play. Yes.

Music and instruments is still an accountant's dream.

That's totally.

Totally.

Yeah. Versus whatever the hell I'm doing. It's a little more lefty-loosy.

Well, what I love about what you just said, because it does feel like you grew up in a family where you had to... You just have to make space for yourself. You have to figure it out. Like you said, you have to compete in a healthy way. Yes. Or not healthy. One of the things that I love about you, not knowing you, we're meeting for the first time, is that there's something about the way that you are in your own experience, your own body that's very grounded and very self-assured. And it's like you have it or you don't. It's like this ineffable thing where you make us lean into you, Rachel. You You're yourself in real-time, and we all become very interested and curious about it. There's not a grasping energy from you. You're doing your thing, and people are invited to come along.

That's really nice of you to say, and that means a lot coming from you because I feel like it's in comedy. I read your book, I read Tina's book when I was in college and starting stand-up. I feel like, especially when I to the beginning when you're the first, not the first women in comedy, but you're forming a group. I feel like my friend group took so much inspiration from you guys of being like, I've got my girls. You know what I mean? And being like, I'll go to the weird open mic with you and the whatever. But carving out that space for yourself and being like, You come to us, as opposed to trying to be a part of the other thing that you're not necessarily I'm serially invited to.

So let's get into... Okay, we talked about your parents. You're in Connecticut. You grow up in Connecticut. And again, you seem like a Manhattan kid. Congrats. Thank you. Connecticut is a strange state because it's like, Where is it?

Who is it that is happening?

Red Sox, Yankees. What do you want?

Okay. And thank you for asking that. Red Sox. I got actually absolutely... My dad reamed in my ass because I put on my boyfriend's Yankees cab. I just thought it would be a little flirty. I picked up a FaceTime for my dad, and he was like, take that off right now.

Yeah, that's not okay. You can't do it. No, that's not okay. So you're more on the Boston side, but you grow up there and you get to NYU. Yes. Where is that jump from you at the dinner table being funny with your family and deciding, I want to get to NYU and be a performer? How does that happen?

I always wanted to perform. I feel like I did the classic thing.

Well, you were in plays.

I was doing plays.

You were in Les I was in Les Mis.

Wow. Yes, it was a part. What part? I was Madame Ténardier, of course. Wait, who?

You just said it in a French way.

Madame Ténardier. She was... Do you know the Master of the House? His wife.

Oh, the Master of the House lady. Yes. Okay. Sorry, I didn't know her name. No.

She is the Master of the House lady.

You had the comedic part.

Yes, I had the comedic part. You know, anytime I was in a play in high school, they were like, That's or the head of the prostitute house. It was like, that was the only parts I was getting cast in.

Why do you think that was? Why as a little kid did it?

Because why? I know.

But I know what you mean because it's usually the comedic part.

Yes.

Why were they seeing something like... Did you have a maturity at that age? Or were you just self-assured on stage? Do you know what I mean? Like not nervous?

I think it was like I was not vocally I'm really talented and loud. And I think-Loud. And I think loud. I don't know. I'm like, it was always like, And you're the little, the ratty little whatever. And I'm like, okay. Because at that time, I was like, Obviously, I want to be Cazette. I want to be Epineen. I want to be singing the Pretty Little Voice. They heard me sing Three Bars. They said, You're going to speak the whole song.

They're usually the most boring of the songs. They are. Even though Epineen has some great songs because it has some great songs. Yes. No, shout out.

They're bangers. And by the way, the girl who played Epineen in my high school went on to play Epineen on Broadway. And I was like, wow. You know, Emily Bautista, I got to hand it to you. You were meant for the part. Voice of an angel. Incredible. Incredible. So I was like, I'm not taking it personally.

Can we talk for a second about loud?

Loud.

Because I'm relating. I was a loud kid. And there's something underneath being a loud young kid that can be very exciting, especially if you're a young woman. Not always. Sometimes people don't like it. They make you feel bad about it. But it's carving out space, taking up space somehow. And people saw that in you.

Yeah. And they were like, She's not afraid to... I guess that or they were just literally like, We can't get her to shut up. Just give her this part, and maybe she'll lose her voice yelling on stage, and then she won't be annoying at home. But I do think you're right. It's like, you have to be loud first and then figure out how to make it entertaining as you go. But I think once you break that... I also feel like I've always had a loud laugh, which I've read about your laugh at the table reads at SNL and whatever. And it's like, I think not being afraid to bring joy into the space or be like, I don't know. Once you start shouting, you're like, I'm not going to talk quiet. It's just you break into that space and then you can refine what you're saying or how funny it is or whatever. But I think that instinct was always there. Yeah.

And that brings you to NYU, where you join this class of people who are now your friends and successful actors and actresses in their own right who you meet Tell us about coming to NYU, those early days there.

I think I at first felt like I didn't fit in at all, and I had a really hard time because the acting program was very serious, and it was very Shakespeare. We're walking around the room and you're a cat, and then you're a chicken. But everyone's crying while they do it.

I'm like, What am I missing?

What am I missing? The money is gone. We paid. So I got to do something with this. But, wow, this is crazy. I was scared. And I just felt... Do you know what I mean? And you're looking around and everyone's so locked into it. So you're like, there's something wrong with me.

Do you think they were locked into it, or was it pure pressure to feel locked into it?

Because now it feels like a cult, a little, where everyone was like, I'm crying as the chicken. I'm feeling things. Sure. You know? Yeah. But I felt like, oh, there were a lot of opportunities that the school had, which was like, the plays, the school did shows that you could audition for. I didn't get into any of those. The school had like, improv and sketch groups. I didn't get into any of those.

Oh, really?

Really.

Dang. I bet they're regretting that.

Probably not. They're probably like, Well, another year of doing our sketches.

That's I'm really surprised.

I didn't. And Iowa Debra, who I met, didn't either. And that's when we first met was at the auditions for those groups.

Sometimes that's just the best motivator.

Literally. By the way, I'm like, I always need whenever something doesn't work out for me, I'm like, Thank God. Whenever I'm like-Rejection is God's protection. Period. And also, it's like whenever I'm flopping, I'm not scared. It's when I'm doing well, or then I'm happy When I'm terrified.

Okay, that is the best way to say it, Rachel, is that to flop and not be scared.

To flop and not be scared.

That's a very powerful thing. It's a superpower if you can do it.

Because the best thing's happened to me right after I'm at Rock Bottom. Whenever I'm rejected hard, whenever I'm in love with someone who is treating me like garbage, that's when I fly. That's when because you let go of everything and you're like, I'm at Rock Bottom. I don't care. Let's go. That's a beautiful time. It's when I'm soaring that I start... I'm soaring. The ground is really far away. I'm going to fall. And then I get in my head and that's when Yeah.

So you are auditioning, you and Io, both not making what you want to make. What happens then?

Then I think that's when I started being like, okay, I have to find my own opportunities. And I think that's when I started to find my friends and my community and doing stuff on our own. So I started doing stand-up.

So tell us about your first- Mike. Yeah, because you were on a date.

Is that true? Yeah. So basically, this poor guy is He's also in Les Mis. He was also in Les Mis. No, I feel bad because I'm like, I still know him. He is a comedy producer, whatever. Great guy. But he basically... We went on like, I want to call it a date, but it was really like we went to the dining hall and then he like, fingered me. But it was... I'm like, That was her date. But he's a lovely person. He's a lovely person. That's just college, you know? But do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes that just happens. But so he was like, You should do stand up. I've been going to open mics. Do you want to come with me to one? And so- Wait.

And he was going to perform?

And he performed. He did perform.

Okay. So he was like, Do you want to come watch me perform?

He was like, Do you want to come watch me perform? But do you want to go to?

Do you want to go to? Yes. And try it.

He encouraged.

Got it.

Shout out. He encouraged. So we go to an open mic, and I think I did stand up about him fingering me two days before. I was just like, I have no experiences other than this. It's pretty... I'm still a freshman.

Can you tell us a little bit more about what you talked about? Would you be okay to tell us that?

Absolutely. Okay. This is where I got into something that I think I've hopefully grown out of. But the fingering was weird. And then my first joke, which I think he helped me write, was that it was like... Or maybe I think maybe my friend Moss helped me write this part. Moss Peraconing, very funny stand-up and writer on SNL.

Who I just got to work with recently because I was just there and it was really fun.

He's lovely. He's so funny. So Moss and I would do open mics together, too. So So I think Moss actually helped me write this part of the joke, which was that he was fingering me and it was like trying to trick a vending machine. Great joke. Great joke. Great joke. That I think all I brought to the story was like, It hurt. And then he helped me write that part. But I did that. And I got like... Also, it's like your first open mic, you go on stage and you're like... Also, I'm 18 years old at a random open mic with guys from New Jersey. And I'm like, Hi, It's my first open mic. So obviously everyone... The room was warm. The room was warm. It was toasty. So I go-Filled with perverts. Yeah, totally. Absolutely. And at the time, I'm like, I'm a genius? Saying a joke I didn't write in a room full of six perverts who are all just like, Maybe she'll only be here for one week and she'll kiss one of us. Totally. So at this time, I'm thinking like, I'm crushing. I am crushing. I am crushing. I do that joke, whatever, and I get that high of performing.

Yeah, totally.

And then for the next two years of open mics, I'm really bad. But I am chasing that initial high of performance.

Yes. When you were doing stand-up, were you feeling like there was a party that was like, I'm going to be a stand-up? I'm going to be a stand-up? Or did you feel like stand-up was a tool or a stepping stone to what you wanted to do, which was write, act, direct, all the stuff you're doing now?

I think a little bit of both. I think in the beginning, I was like, I just want to do whatever I can get my hands on. You can do an open mic for $5. You buy a beer or something, and you can do an open mic. So I was like, Okay, I can do this. And I did that. I did every student film exercise that I could I do. I have a whole reel of some of the worst dialog in history. No hate. But it was really like, I'm doing any... I would do them back to back to back, and I would skip class to do all these films. But then also, I met talented filmmakers that way. I met my friend Emma Seligman.

Who directed-Shiva Baby and Bottoms.

Yes. And so I was doing that. And then I started writing sketches. Io and I a sketch together, that that's one of my early memories of us forming a bond because she was so funny. I was laughing the entire sketch, completely unusable takes for me. But I was cracking up at her. Then I wrote a sketch, these sketches about the Babysitter's Club that she was in. Then we performed on each other's shows. I was slowly building out the community of of friends. I was like, I met Io, Moss, my friend Katerina, who's a writer-director, Emma. I felt like I got to build out my community.

I mean, that's what it feels like the '20s are about is figuring out who is like me. How can we help each other out? How can I form some community to get me through the next X amount of years of trying to do the thing that I want to do? Yeah. When you were in that period in your 20s, you just said that you turned 30.

I just did.

What did you do for your 30th birthday? How did you celebrate it? Because I got to tell you, my vision of you is that you're partying every night.

Am I wrong? Sometimes... Okay, so many things to say. First, I just have to say, do you know about your Saturn Return?

Not only that, but I believe that I'm going to, in just a year or two, be entering my second. Oh my God. Because I've been doing research for this because of your show, because I love LA, which we're going to talk about, and it's all about Saturn's Return, which you just went through.

I did.

I believe you go through a second one in... I'm 54, but I think you start going through a second one like 56, 57. I have to. Are you scared? I could look it up, but...

Are you scared or excited?

I'm excited. You're excited. Very Because it does.

I will say it's nice, back to the rock bottom thing, when life shakes you up and you're like, whatever, let's rock.

How did it shake you up?

Okay, I feel like it was like, the whole thing is three years long, but there's really one month that's super chaotic. Or for me, there was a month when that was really bad. I felt like everything all happened in one month. But basically, I feel like in my early 20s, I was partying every night. I was very messy, chaotic. I was crying at the bar on the table. It was really crazy. Then I feel like I moved to LA, and I got really a little weird and hermety and... I don't know. I went through this thing where I was just not feeling good in myself. The strike was happening. I was really depressed. And I think I also had a lot of insecurities about myself as a writer or a creator. I didn't think I could make something on my own, and I was really scared, too. And then I think basically, the big part of this out of return was I went through a breakup, and I didn't know about it if my show was going to get picked up yet. But in the meantime, I had to say no to other opportunities, which was really hard for me, especially because I think I defined myself off of my work and my value off of my work.

And so I was like, I have to say no to stuff and trust my gut that this is going to happen and that I can make something on my own. And when I say on my own, literally, I made it with amazing room of writers, amazing co-showrunner, directors, blah, blah, blah. Of course.

But women always feel obliged to say that, and they don't have to.

But it was... But you know, I take it back. I fucking take it back.

Because no, you're absolutely right. Nobody does anything alone. Nobody does anything alone. But you're making a really interesting point, which I see this in you and women that you're coming up with, which is this moment where you have to decide to take ownership of the stuff that you want to make and decide that you're ready to do it.

Yes. Because no one's... I think it's also like, you can't do anything until you do it. It's like, I directed an episode You just have to direct one day and be like, okay. Obviously, you prepare and you write. You draw the little pictures of all those things.

You write the list.

And you go, I think the shirt should be blue.

Well, that's the thing about directing. And I want to talk to you about this because you've been really... I love how you talk about directing and producing and writing and show running, which is people act like everything is like a secret room. We learned this from Hamilton. There's a room where it happens and only certain people are allowed in it, and there's a language and a vocabulary and only one way to do something, and it keeps people out of the room.

Yes, totally. Then you get in the room and it's three guys being like, I think we should shoot it really slow. I think we should do it really fast. And you're like, This is all? This is what they're saying? This is what they're saying in here?

Totally. You're kidding me. And they have snacks?

They're ordering three rounds of coffees to say, I think we should shoot it slow or fast. I got pissed. That actually Honestly, the first time I got in there.

It's incredible once you get inside the room.

And then you get high, and then you're like, I'm staying in here, and I'm ordering 10 coffees, and we're shooting it fast and then slow.

So you're going through your Saturn's return. You come out the other side and you greet 30.

Yes.

Do you party on your 30th birthday?

I do party on my 30th. That's what I thought. I do. Sorry. That's what I thought. I do party.

What does that look like?

I went to Sisley for my friend's Okay, great. And I really partied there, and then I stayed there for the week. Perfect.

This is what I expected, Rachel. I'm happy to hear this.

And I really went off. It was great. It was fabulous. And it was good because I feel like I've been working for so long. I went into the hole of making the show, and now I'm out every night. I'll tell you that I am. I'm going to a concert tonight if you want to come. Where are you going? I'm going. Okay, I'm going to see... Do you know that girl, Adela?

No. I wish I did.

You're going to- You, Jenna? I'm like, That song, Sex on the Beat? You got to get under that. I'm so old.

Adela.

You'll love. It's her concert? It's her concert. I'm going, and I can't wait. And then I'm going to... I just basically... This is the other thing. Tell me if you do this.

She's a Slovakian singer songwriter? Yes. Very cool.

She's very cool. I'm going to that tonight. But I do this thing when I'm shooting something where it's like you put off every single person in your life, classic. You make promises you can't keep, which is like, you're like, Yeah, when this is over, I am going to be out. I am going to be just going to the club and then dinner, and then we should go on a hike the next morning really early. I make so many promises. And then it's like you get into a debt, a social debt. But it's actually fabulous because then you just commit to a period where you're like, Let's go.

You're in that period right now. So tonight is a dinner first. I love talking to people about plans because I don't want to do them, but I want to hear your plans. I want to know. Yeah, I want to know what you're doing tonight.

Okay, so the plan is we're doing a group dinner.

Amazing. Where?

At my boyfriend's house. We're ordering food. Fun. So we have a small group going. We're pre-gaming.

What time is this?

This is probably eight o'clock. Fuck. That's okay.

That's just dinner?

I know. I like an early dinner, too. But it's more like, if we do dinner too early, then we're going to get sleepy before the show. Right. So we got us what I'm thinking instead is when it should be dinner, that's when I'll be taking a nap. But of course, I'll be sleeping with my glam on because I want to keep it for the show. So I'll be sleeping like this.

Like a soap off for a star.

Like a soap off for a star. Glam on. This. Getting lipstick on the pillow. And then I'll jerk awake. 7: 45. Listerine. Squish it around. Bam. People start arriving. Dinner. Order in. Oder in.

No cooking.

No cooking. No cooking. For that many people? Six. That's crazy. Cooking for six people?

That's outrageous. What? What are you, some machine? No. I cook for six people?

No way. I only know how to make sweet potatoes and ground turkey, and then we're going to be burping garlic all over the art hose at the concert. I can't do that. No.

Then you eat.

Then we eat. And it's like, drinking a little. Maybe I'm trying on outfits. Maybe I'm leaving dinner, coming back, presenting an outfit to the group.

Oh, that's fun.

Yeah, it's going to be fun. Okay. Do you do that?

No. I don't. But I, in general, have a weird relationship to outfits. Really? And I I'm very, very intrigued by your relationship to outfits. Because for me, outfits, I don't have the feeling... I'll use my good friend Maya Rudolf as an example. When Maya Rudolf gets dressed and she gets to change, she would love to do that, what you're doing. To come in and out of the room with different outfits. To be like, Look at my outfit. What do we think? Look at my outfit. That, to me, feels so stressful.

Do you know what you should do? Do you like to smoke weed?

I don't really smoke it anymore, but I will.

Okay. For this, or it could be a glass of wine, or it could be a little CPD joint or whatever. Sure.

I'd rather weed over wine.

Okay. Let's do a weed.

Let's do like a gummy.

Let's do a gummy.

Okay.

You're not fuck a gummy. Okay. Now, I think it's good to do this on your own. Okay. Because then you... And maybe...

By myself? Yes.

Okay. Start by yourself because then you know you're not doing it for anyone. Or you better believe I'll come over. I'm in my social chapter. I'm free.

I'm already worried that you're overbooking yourself. Don't promise that. Okay.

But I'm just saying. I would say do it in the daytime. Gummy, ice coffee, so that your body's finding itself.

Okay, I'm in my apartment. It's blazing sun, gummy and ice coffee, 2: 00 in the afternoon. I just cancel all my plans. And what do I do next? I go to my closet. I go to my closet. Play an elevator, getting really high from the coffee, and then getting really down from the gummy. Then what do I do? Then what do I do? You put on music. Okay, music.

What do I play? What do I play? I think it's like something really like a ethereal fun. You make me feel like dancing. Okay. I'm just telling you about a Saturday that I had a week Okay, perfect. And then you just start trying shit on. Okay. And you throw stuff on the floor and you take pictures with stuff. And maybe halfway through, you stop, you order some food. And it's like, And by the way, you're not picking up any of the clothes till the next day when you're not high in the game anymore.

That's going to be really hard for me. Okay. But that's okay. But that's okay.

But it's part of it. It's just like, there's no, I'm cleaning, there's no, I'm organizing. You're playing. You're trying stuff on, and you should also have a mirror with really good light. This is why I'm saying the daytime because in my house, I have a mirror that only looks good at a certain time. So you can take this and judge it for your vibe. But this is just for me.

This is actually really helpful because it is about... What you're talking about is about play, just not making everything so serious.

Not making everything so serious. It's like, you can take pictures of stuff, or lots of times I'll do videos of me walking, and then walk into the camera back, and then I text them all to my sisters, and I go, Heart, which one's you like?

Okay, this feels like a very sister thing. Yeah. What sisters do for each other. Yes.

And then you can get feedback, and then they can be like, drop the vest, keep the scarf.

Right. Do you take that feedback? Do you go-Depends.

Because it's like, sometimes I'm like, You don't know, this is a really good outfit. And then, by the way, sometimes you'll try on an outfit that you created that day. That's inventing outfits.

This feels like level two. I feel like I'm at level two right now. I just need to start by taking the gummy during the day.

Just start by taking the gummy. Just start by getting high in the morning. And then work your way up. And work your way up to all of this.

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Make me think about the women that you have, like your chosen sisters, like you said, Io. And another chosen sister is Molly.

Yes.

Love Molly. Molly Gordon, who we spoke to for this interview.

Love. I love her. I just talked to her last night.

She said, You guys talk every day. She called you her wife.

What? Wife, sister. We're like, which is weird, but five different things.

So for people who are getting... Because I think there's a lot of people who are getting to know your work, Molly's work, Io's work. You are this rising class, I think, of really talented artists and filmmakers and showrunners and writers and actors. But Shiva Baby was a film that you and Molly did together that was this teeny tiny film that really exploded and took off. Can you talk a little bit about the path of that? Yes.

That was a crazy experience, and it's crazier now looking back at it. It was first a short film that Emma Seligman wrote and directed that I was in. It got into South by After it got into South by, Emma was like... I still remember it was like, Emma and I met up at a dig in for a dig in.

What's a dig in?

Oh, my God.

At a dig in?

A dig in. It's a fast casual lunch place.

It's like a- A dig in is a restaurant.

It's like a Sweet Green. It's like a sister of a Sweet Green.

Sweet Green was brought up earlier because Molly was like, That's a nice place to go to the bathroom. They're usually nice. It's Sweet Green.

They'll let you.

So Dig In, is that an LA thing?

No, it's a New York thing.

God, I don't know it. Okay, good to know.

I think they have them here, too. But there was really a chapter where it was big in New York when we were in college. Got it. So we meet at Dig In, we're catching up, and Emma is I'm going to make Shiva Baby into a feature. And that's also the same day that we came up with the loose idea for Bottoms, and we started writing it. Wow. So we're writing Bottoms while Emma's also writing Shiva Baby. And basically, it was this slow process of building the movie out. And it's like, no one wants to make a first-time filmmaker's movie. It's so impossible to get people behind you. And it was this game of, we're trying to cast the movie. We don't have the money for the movie. I wanted to shout out Rhiannon Jones, who was one of the producers who was the first person to be like, I'm giving you guys money to make this movie. And and gave a big chunk of money. It was a super indie movie. I think the budget was around 200K, but it's like, that's really hard to raise that money when you are college students, and all you have is a short to prove.

I remember talking with Emma and we're trying to cast the movie without the money, get the locations, but get the funding at the same time. So it was all of that. And when Molly signed on to do it, it felt like, oh, my God, she's legit. Because we had both seen her in Booksmart and been like, she is so funny. So funny. And she's a real actress.

I mean, that's exactly what she was talking about. Like she said, when you guys met, you were like, you're a real actress. Help us. But I relate because when you come through the door of like, comedy, you often feel like that's the door you've always come through. It takes a minute to figure out that everyone is talented at a lot of things. Yeah. Were you feeling then insecure Were you ever about your acting or anything?

Definitely. You were. I was because I had never been... I was all of a sudden in the lead of a film that wasn't fully funded yet and didn't have a location. It was so like I think we got the rest of our funding a day before we shot the movie. Basically, we go to film the first scene, and it's me and Molly, and I clam up, and I just whisper.

Oh, you whisper.

I whispered.

Because sometimes when we're really nervous, we get very sleepy and tired and quiet. Really?

And I'm like, no one can tell if I'm doing a bad job if they can't hear me. Or see me. So it's like the first thing we film is that scene where we run into each other. We talk for the first time at the shiva. And I'm like,. And it's like, Emma is like, Cut. And so then Emma pulls me aside because they're an amazing friend and director, and they're like, So we can't hear anything. We can't hear a word that you're saying. I'm like, Totally. Did this in private, thank God, and did it really nicely, but was like, I think just maybe have a little more voice. I was like, Totally. We go again and I'm like, so good as you. I was like, sweating.

This is so Oh, interesting, because we started talking about little Rachel on stage being loud. And then you have this moment you're like, okay, now I'm a real actor, and now I'm going to get very quiet. It's gone. I'm actually going to do the... It's like, I'm not going to pitch my fastball. I'm not going to pitch I'm going to do the opposite of what I do well.

I'm going to drop it. I'm going to drop the ball on the floor.

It would be like the mound. We'll keep the baseball. Your dad and the Red Sox would want to know that you can extend that baseball metaphor.

So it would be on On the mound. On the mound.

We're sports. Yeah. But that's so interesting. And then what happens?

And then I think Molly, basically, was like, Molly can do... She charmed the pants off of me, basically, and was like, she just started improv-ing and talking to me and talking before we were rolling. And I didn't feel like I was in a scene anymore. I felt like I was talking to her and flirting with her, but feeling like And it just clicked for me. And between Molly and Emma, Emma coming. And then it was like we got into a group, and then Emma came over and was whispering stuff in my ear of, Really make a work for it on this one. Or, Give in on this one. Giggle on this one.

Let's move the camera slower on this one.

Let's camera slower on this one.

And faster on this.

Fast. Really fast. And then Molly was improvising. And I just felt like, basically, I just felt so brought into the space. And then I felt like, I know how to do this. But it was like, I think I just watched both of them shine and bring me into their... Like, artistry is a big word, but I felt like they both were like, Come here. You can do this. Anyway, it really opened everything up for me, and it was really special.

That's very cool. Yes. Now, Molly had a question for you. Okay. The first one was, please have Rachel tell the fingering story, which you already told naturally.

I did it on my own. Wow.

Huge. Incredible. So thank you for that. She basically said, When she met you, That what she was so drawn to, and what I feel drawn to right now, I'm feeling the same thing, which is the great audacity of, Here's what I want to do. I want to do this. I want to do this. Ambition, not being afraid of it, feeling like you want to take up a lot of space. And she said, That confidence, have you always had that? The question is, where do you think that came from?

It's interesting because I look back at myself at that time, and I think I was very insecure and anxious. But at the same time, I did always have this feeling of I have to do this. And I think that's for my family, for sure. I think it's like there was this thing of like, okay, if you're going to do it, then do it. And I think in my mind, I was like, I can't even entertain the possibility of not doing this because I don't have any other plan.

I don't- There's never a job you would want to do instead of this? Did you ever think about another major or another job other than insurance salesman or accountant?

Other than, of course, yeah. I think now that I'm here, I'm like, I would love to do marketing. I love marketing. Wait, what do you mean? I just love marketing. I just started getting on marketing calls and I'm like, These girls are fabulous. I'm just like, I love marketing.

You like figuring out how to get the message out? Yes. You're very good marketing. You're very good at TikTok. You're very good at Twitter.

You better believe I have sounds saved for us.

For a TikTok?

Yeah. If you're down.

I have a TikTok question for you. How do you get your TikTok to move so fast?

You make it slow. I'll show you. Wait, did you ever do slow-mo so then it speeds it up? No. We'll do that today.

You shoot it in slow-mo?

You shoot it, yes. It It shoots in. So the sound- Are we talking about a CapCut situation?

No.

Fantastic. I won't do that to you. I will not do that to you. Someone's laughing. Claire is laughing because I had her help me with doing what I've always wanted to do, which is green screen. Basically, I'm talking in front of a picture.

That's what I want to do, and I don't know how to do it.

I just learned, and I can show you. I can show you today. I can show you. I just found out how Claire taught me, and now I can teach you.

Okay, we might have to do that for our TikTok. We have to do that. Is talk about ourselves in front of a picture. In front of a picture.

We could even take a photo of us pose, and then we can analyze our outfits. We could do anything. We can do whatever we want. It's so fun. It's so fun.

Why is it fun? Because I think it's fun, too. Why do you think it's fun?

I feel like I'm playing with clay and dough. I feel like I'm like, Playdough. I feel like I'm doing crafts. And then afterwards, you get to watch it over and over and go, I made that. I did that just now. It's so fun.

It is so fun.

And the noises and the colors, it's just the best.

But it makes sense to me because you definitely have this sense of knowing how to exist in that space. And it comes back to you just being authentically yourself, which is just hard to teach.

You just got a rocket, I guess.

You do.

But sometimes things happen. I don't know if you've had this where it's like, you're like, okay, I'm being authentically myself. I'm being authentically myself. And then you either... These are two things that have happened to me. You're either being authentically yourself and everyone's like, we hate it. And you're like, I should be someone else. I should be someone else. Or you're being a version of yourself. Everyone's like, We love it. Slut. And then you change a little. I'm never going to stop being a slut, but sorry, something else. You're like, I'm messy. I'm this, whatever. And then you go into a different zone and then you're like, But they still like that. I should doing that. But in reality, you're changing.

You are the generation that has grown up. When did you get your first phone?

When I was in middle school.

Yeah. And you've had a lifetime of being online.

We talked about this a lot when we were creating the show. I think there's a lot of times people look at, I'm going to say my generation, I'm Zelenial cusp. So I'm not claiming- You are.

What do you claim? Do you claim Z or millennial?

I claim Zelenial because I feel real. I feel a bit of both. Do you know what I mean? When we start getting into skibbity toilet, I get lost. Sure. You know what I mean? I'm like, What's going on? I didn't do kindergarten on Zoom. You know what I mean? I didn't have... What is this called? When your brain fully develops?

Oh, your frontal lobe.

My frontal lobe. I think my frontal lobe developed like... What time does that happen? Halfway through COVID. Say COVID.

Weird time to have your frontal lobe closed during COVID.

During COVID. But I felt it.

Snatched. You were like, Snatched.

Snatched.

Yes.

I didn't have to go through formative developmental years during COVID or whatever. I think there's something to do with that that I don't have. But we were just talking about 6/7. I found out I'm in group 7 from TikTok.

I found out I was in group 7.

Group What does that mean? I don't know. Okay, good. If I was fully Gen Z, I would. Claire explained it to me because she is because she's 25.

Okay, Claire will explain. She'll show us how to do the green screen.

How to do the green screen.

Okay, let's talk about I Love LA. I'm so sorry.

I'm talking so much. I could just tell you for a bit.

Same. You have a great cast, and you shoot it in LA. Do you love LA?

I do love LA. Okay.

Can you help me? Because I'm actually genuinely... I'm coming up on year 15 or 16 of being here, and I go back and forth between LA and New York, and I'm not loving LA right now. La is crushing me a little bit. I think I want to go back to the East Coast. My kids are almost out of school. I'm feeling this giant pull, and I'm trying to Hey, hey, hey, with LA because LA has been very good to me. There's a lot about it. I love California. There's a lot about Los Angeles. I have a lot of friends here. I've had great memories here. I've made a lot of stuff I'm really proud of here. But I'm just like, what do you love about LA, and can you help me love it, too? Yes.

I like LA most in the winter. I do, too.

It's the best. It's my favorite. January to April is heaven because everywhere else is freezing.

Everywhere else is freezing. Meanwhile, we're going to the beach in an UGG and a hoodie. Beach in an UGG and a hoodie. You're getting... Get this. You maybe... Okay, morning to Saturday. Okay. Again, we'd get me coffee. Sorry. You don't have to, but you could do something- Who's driving? Who's driving? Somebody's boyfriend.

Somebody's boyfriend is driving.

Okay, great. Okay, I like this. Or you're getting in an Uber. But ideally, it's like someone's boyfriend is driving, like the boyfriend of the friend group. He's driving.

I like this. Yeah.

You've got a playlist, not You guys, stop. You got bagels.

Okay. Not good bagels, though, in LA. Yeah?

Okay. You go to Courage.

Okay, great.

You go to Courage, or there's a place in Burbank called Hank's. Underrated. I'm actually giving away my spot, but I know you bitches aren't going to Burbank, so it's fine. It's okay. I work there, so I'm going. You worked in Hanks? No, I work at the lot. Oh, you work at the lot?

Okay, sorry. So I'm right nearby. I was like, Oh, my God. You also work at Hanks? Okay.

I have two jobs. I have three.

So you get your bagel.

So you get your bagel, and now you're eating your bagels in the car or you save them. You get to the beach, you run on the sand. You're just sitting on the sand in jeans and an ugg and a sweater.

Yeah, I love the beach in a sweater.

Beach in a sweater. It's completely empty because Because no one else has this good of an idea except for us. And you're just like, you're having a beach day, but you're having a winter beach day, and you can make it into a thing. Then you could go up to Tepanga Canyon, and you could buy a set of tarot cards for your friend, and go on a hike over there. There's some really nice hikes in Malibu. You could go to the pier, you could get seafood at Broad Street Oyster Company. But you make a day in the that you couldn't do somewhere else.

I completely agree. You know what I mean? I think Los Angeles, California, in the winter is where it really shines.

Is really where it shines.

The rest of the year is tough for me.

Okay. So what if you stuck around We do Beach Day in the day, we'd come in closet?

Yeah.

And it's like, by the way, we're in bed at seven o'clock.

I don't believe you. We will be.

If we're starting the day with a Weed Gummy, we're in bed at seven o'clock. You already told me about your plans I know, but that's because I'm in a social chapter. But in January and February-Okay, you're not in a social chapter. We're hibernating. But we're hibernating with our friends. Okay. Our community. We're hibernating with six people or three, if that feels better.

That actually really did make me like Los Angeles more, what you just said.

This is the thing. New York, bam. You're confronted with a new chapter or an event or whatever. It's thrown in your face and it's fabulous and it's going Wake up. You just met this person on the street. La, you have to do it a little for yourself, but you get to sit down in your room one day, delusional, me, this, alone, high in my closet. New era. Let's go.

Okay. Lightning round.

Lightning Round. Are you ready? I'm walking in.

Have you done ayahuasca? No.

Should I? No. Okay.

Okay. Are cigarettes making a comeback?

They are, they are. But we have to stop. But they are. They are. And they're good. But also, who can blame us? Look at what is happening.

I know.

I know. They were feeding people the vapes at 12: 00.

I know. The vapes, hopefully, are taking a break, but cigarettes are back.

Well, the cigarettes are people trying to wean off the vape.

Oh, that's so brutal. That's like, heroine to not take your Oxy anymore.

Heroine to pill. To have heroine pills.

It's hard out there. Okay. Album you're listening to right now.

I've been listening a lot to the Addison album. It's an album that makes me feel very free. It makes me feel like my mom's friend who always wore yoga pants, who was really chic.

And sexy. And sexy. And a little sleepy and in a dream.

And so free. I was like, yeah. Yeah. Addison feels very free to me.

Is there a person's career path that you look at and admire?

Definitely. I'm not being a suck up.

You can't see me.

I'm not allowed? You're sitting right in front of me. What if I was like, I need an idea. Bam.

What if before this podcast, someone pulled you aside and said, When Amy asked that, you have to say her. She gets really upset.

She gets really upset. Yeah, that would be crazy if they said that. No, I do want to say, Okay, so I'm sorry. I'll just say it And then we can cut it genuinely, and then I'll say someone else. Okay. But I do really want to say, genuinely, you have made a difference in my life going to pursue comedy and going to be funny and be loud and be bold and also be kind. I feel like when I read your book, I was like, there was the ability to be both bold and loud, but also vulnerable and sensitive. I think that sometimes it feels like you're not allowed to have both. And I feel like you need both and you should be able to. And that's something that I get from you or am inspired by from you. And I think the women, your community, like Maya Rudolf, Tina Faye, all of them.

Thank you, Rachel. That's really nice.

So that's true. But now, do you want me to say someone else? Okay. Brittany Murphy is an actress that I really look up to. I think she's an incredible actress, or wasn't an incredible actress. She's just someone who I saw her immediately when I saw her in Clueless. I was like, she just has something special, and she was Very true to herself.

She was. She hosted SNL my first season there. I remember her being really kind, really super hardworking, very open to ideas. You're right, she had a spark Yeah. She had this incredibly interesting quality about her, and she could do a lot of things really well.

Yes. I feel like had so much range. I don't know. I felt like there are certain people where it's the character wouldn't be the character if it wasn't you playing it. And I feel like she has that, which is really special.

When was the last time you cried?

Yesterday. Because this is the other thing. So I didn't cry for a speed round, but I'll say it really fast. That's okay.

I like speed rounds to go slow.

To go slow. I didn't cry for a long time because I was so stressed about the job, and I was trying to take it seriously and be locked in. And I was like, There's no time to cry. This is not our time to cry. And then I think now that I'm in my social era and I have a little space to breathe, the lid is coming off. So I'm just crying more freely. Yesterday, I had a little bit of a manic episode. This goes back to the closet thing, where I remembered a shirt from three years ago that I haven't... I just was like, Wait a second. Where is it? Where is that? And then I started rummaging through my closet, not in a fun way, no wee, gummy, just panicked. Panicked I liked texting people pictures of the shirt being like, Have you seen this? Texting my mom being like, Is this at home? She's like, What? Like that.

What do you think the shirt meant? When you thought of the shirt, where had you worn it? What did it mean to you? What did it represent?

I think it was that I've been living in my place for too long, and I used to live there with my ex-boyfriend, and I moved around to Airbnbs before I lived in that place. And all of a sudden, I was just like, Where's all my stuff? And who am I? And then I started to cry.

Yes. I think that objects can do that. Yes. And then the last question is, what are you listening to watching? What do you do when you want to laugh? What stuff do you do when you need a break, when you want to get out of your head and just feel good?

And feel good. I have a couple of friends and my sisters where it's like, we send each other TikToks that are really weird. And then I catch up on all the TikToks that my friends or my sisters sent me. And I feel like I'm watching their show, the fee that they've curated for me. And then I reply to all of them like, Ha ha, this is us when we're in the car with mom. This was us when we would go on a walk, drink, whatever. And that feels... That's fun and silly for me.

It's funny. It's like we do this at our office at Paperkite. We show each other our feeds to see where everyone's heads are at. Sometimes Sometimes my kids will be like, Mom, your feet is really sad. I'm like, You're right. It's too sad.

It's too sad. But by the way, sometimes that's good because then you can go, I'm in a sad period right now.

Totally. I'm not in my social chapter.

I'm not in my social chapter.

So what is it? I'm As we finish, can you remember any TikTok that you enjoy that is funny? Yes. Oh, my God. Amazing. You want to show it to me? I would love to.

Let me go through.

I don't even know how to get TikTok on my laptop.

I was going to show you on my phone. Yeah.

Okay, here we go. What are we watching?

I'm just going through. I mean, let's look.

Okay, so how would you describe? Okay, this is incredible. Do you get it? Yes, this is incredible. This is a video of... It says, Congratulations It's a girl. And then it says, The Girl. And the girl's walking around wearing a giant pig head holding a baseball bat.

To a creepy little song.

To a creepy song. And she looks awesome.

This diva is... I'm like, she knows who she is already. Yes.

Yeah. That's very good. That's very, very funny. Okay. And then we've got...

Priest DJ.

A priest DJ.

You just feel like he has a hobby and a passion. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, he's having fun.

He is having fun. Yeah. All right, Rach. I'm going to have you sit back in your chair so I can properly say thank you for coming in doing this.

Thank you so much for having This was a damn delight.

Thank you so much, Rachel Senate. That was so fun. You are a delight and so funny and charming, and I could have talked to you all day. For this Polar Plunge, well, today's Polar Plunge is presented by Visible. When your phone plans as good as Visible, you've got to tell your people. Unlimited data, just 25 bucks a month. Join today at visible. Com. Let's get into this plunge as we finish up this We talked a lot today about Saturn's return. If you don't know what that is, it's basically this period in astrology that occurs around the ages of late '20s, late '50s, and late '80s. It's when the planet Saturn returns to the same position that it was in when you were born. We all went through it, or some of us went through it, or are going to go through it in our 20s. I'm just here to say I'm looking forward to the next return for me, the next change. I don't know what's around the corner. If life has taught me anything, it's that I cannot predict what is going to happen. But I look forward to the first human robot marriage on TV, and that we will be, we will have run out of water, and we'll be drinking other things during that return.

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