Transcript of #658 - Mike Tyson (Live at the Wiltern) New

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He's been a father, he's just done so many things. Life has put so much on his shoulders, and I'm curious to know what it's like to be him, you know? And I'm grateful to get to spend time with him today. I feel very fortunate to announce today's guest is Mr. Mike Tyson.

Ooh!

You look sharp, Mike.

Thank you, thank you very much. I went to, um, Stefano Ricci because I knew I was coming here. I wasn't going to wear a suit, I was going to be casual, but I had to be casually sharp.

Yeah, yeah, I think you did it, man.

Thank you very much.

Do you like dressing up or not?

I love it.

You do?

I do it just for no reason. I'm in my closet just trying on clothes.

Oh yeah? Like a little, like kind of like a little mannequin kind of, or like a very tough mannequin?

No, it's like a real life stud just trying on his clothes.

You like putting on stuff? Have you always been like that or was that kind of?

You know, let me tell you a story. One day these guys, they pretty much bullied me to help them. That's how I fell in love with pigeons, to help me build their pigeon coop. And so I started coming there often, but I, I was, what, 11 years old? I never knew about washing and changing clothes. My mother would take a hot washing cloth, put soap on the towel, and just wash me. I never washed myself. So after being on the picnic, I have tar from building the picnic, I got shit on me. Yeah, some guys, some guys took me to this neighborhood dance, and everybody said, yo, John, hey Winky, this your friend? He got shit on him. And they— everybody started laughing at me. I started laughing. I was crying. They were talking about me. And ever since that, um, I became a criminal and I only bought nice clothes.

There's, there's something—

isn't that crazy? I became a criminal to buy nice clothes. Now every time somebody say, wow, you look nice.

Yeah, you're under arrest but you look great.

Yes. Oh, I love those pictures. Oh, those are the great ones.

Yeah, there's something more respectable about a criminal that is well dressed, isn't there?

Um, he become the rogue that we love.

It becomes the what?

Is it the rogue that we love?

The rogue that we love.

Rogue.

R-O-G-U-E.

Yes, sir.

Yes. Thank you for joining me today, Mike. I appreciate you, man. And thank you for, uh, just— you've, you shared a lot of your life with the world. Is it sometimes, uh, scary how much you've shared? Like when you— or some of it is—

correct you for a moment. You had one made a mistake and called me a drug dealer. I don't have the discipline to be a drug dealer because I keep getting high on my I wish I had the discipline to be a drug dealer. I would be rich. Like, everybody wants to buy. The cops, everybody want to buy from me. Goddamn. I was a— oh, man.

I'd have bought coke from you.

Oh, thank you. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thank you.

You were going to say what? I interrupted you.

That I enjoyed getting high. Getting high was my life. Alcohol too, but both of them was my life at one time. I love—

man.

Oh, I was sober. I'm sober for 9 years. Believe that? Sober for 9 years? Congratulations. Killed me for 9 years.

On the count of 3, can we both say our favorite drug? If you want to say it at the same time, or is that weird?

Hey man, I'm a, I'm a equal opportunist. I didn't have no favorite drug.

You didn't have a favorite, huh? No.

Anything that got me out of me, I like.

Anything that got you out of you. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's something about being yourself. It just gets to be too much, doesn't it?

Too much power, man. God gave you more than you can handle.

You think that God put too much power in your hands?

No, no way. God broke me before he crowned me. Of course I'm gonna be able to handle it. He didn't do nothing. He didn't say, hey, you're a cool kid, take this, boom. He didn't do that.

You know, I've sat across from like different folks and But nobody, I think, has had like, like on their own face has so many like you have a lot of scars on you that are just built into you from like wars, right? Do you ever look at your own face and you can know, do you know like which ones are from which fights and stuff?

I think, you know, listen, that's interesting that you say that. I think it comes from accumulation of fighting. You know, you don't wake up overnight and you got a line on your face. It comes after years and years of waking up and you say, Oh, I got a line on my face.

Okay.

Which was it? Which was the start? Which you started 10 years ago, but you just haven't seen it yet.

Oh, so you kind of gets worn in, sort of?

Absolutely. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

You, you have a, a documentary that you're starting that's coming out this year on Netflix, is that right?

I believe so. I don't know when it's coming out, but I believe it's coming out soon.

Okay. You've done a lot of documentaries. Did you feel different about this one? Like what Do you feel like there's something different to offer now to people that are going to consume it?

That's interesting that you say that. I'm going to give you an honest answer. There's things that people believe that other people want to hear from me that I've been saying constantly since the beginning of interviews. So it's more their perspective than it is my perspective. I may think it's shit. Yeah. They may think it's a masterpiece.

So no, I'm serious.

Yeah, no, I'm serious.

It's all perspective.

You know, most of us don't like ourselves on, you know, we don't like ourselves up there that much, you know. But you know, the people, the people do, I guess, right? You can't help it that you're very— that everybody came to see you and you're very popular. You can't help that. Not your fault. You think it's your fault really that you like this? No, not—

no, I think it's interesting.

Yeah, it's—

I think too. Yeah, yeah, I can tell that you feel that way. If you, if you had a— if there was a time in your life that you could go back to and had, um, a documentary crew, uh, that just in your own life, like in your childhood or anything, that you could just have that footage, what would it be?

Would it be when I first met my mentor, Custo Marto? I mean, first one, I mean, when I first—

you mean the first day?

No, when I first got in trouble and I was in that juvenile detention, I was doing stuff there, and then I started boxing, I started changing my life, then I met him. That's the part I wish could come back. Yeah, I missed that.

What was it about it that—

I don't know. I had somebody I loved and they loved me.

How'd you know that he loved you?

Oh, fuck. Don't even tell. He, um, if— oh, if anybody say something to— if anybody say something—

no, it's okay. Look, it's hard to know. Sometimes it's hard to know.

No, um, if anybody say something negative about me, he would attack them. 75, he would—

So he protected you? Yeah.

Then why you have me talking about this bullshit? Stop. Stop. What? Stop, motherfucker. Stop. Stop.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Stop.

Shouldn't the bell— shouldn't we go back to the corners for a minute? Um, no, I think it's just interesting. Like, there's times in your life where people come along and they kind of like hold you up by the neck and like, you know, kind of dry your cheeks and stuff like that and, uh, and give you a place to be.

Everyone needs a mentor in their life. Everybody. Even if you got a bad mentor, that's better than having no mentor.

What was it like, uh, with Cus outside of the ring? What was that like? Like, what was that energy? Because their family adopted you or no?

Yeah.

He did.

Yeah.

Did you have your own room?

Well, I had to earn that.

You did? You had to earn it?

I had to earn that, yeah.

And how did you earn it? Like, what was that like, you mean?

I had to do my chores, had to, you know, get my grades up. You know, I'm getting my C-minuses, so I'm getting D's now, I'm getting B's, I'm coming up. Teachers are writing nice letters back at home about I'm improving, all that crap. So yeah, he loves that stuff.

And was there stuff around the house that you had to do? Like what kind of chores?

Oh, I cleaned the dishes, I took out the garbage, I mopped and sweep the floor. Yeah, I did the whole thing, man.

Like what was the different feeling that you got there, I guess?

Well, I felt I had the home I had, and that was the structure I had through my tour, me building my discipline up. After every training time, um, I finished training, I had to mop and sweep the gym, sweep and mop the gym. Even when I was a big shot, I'm getting front cover of Sports Illustrated, I'm taking all the pictures, boom, all day, the cameras, everybody looking at me. At the end of the day, they're brooming them up. Yeah, do the gym.

Amen. Whenever, uh, because he passed away, how long was he in your life for?

Um, since I was 12, so I was 19.

And when your career grew, did you guys— did it put any— like, was it harder to be close to him? Like, did you get like so kind of like busy that you that it was tougher to—

You know, let me explain something. He was like my father. He was my adopted father, legally adopted father. I wasn't out of his sight much. He didn't let me out of his sight much. He watched who I hung out with. He was my everything. If anybody said something negative about me, he'd have to duck and he'd throw them on the porch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just like that.

And had you felt that before in your life, you think, or no?

Never, never. If he told me to kill somebody, I would. No, I'm telling, that's how it was. That's how deep it was. He say kill that boy, he's dead.

Yeah, tight shit, man. People, hey, people gotta go.

Yeah, no, but that's, I'm just keeping it real.

That's real talk.

That's real talk.

So the connection was that it was just that much?

Yeah, it's true.

After he passed away, did you try to find like another custom model?

Ain't nobody else like him.

But was there a part of you that was looking for something like that?

Not like that.

No, it doesn't That part was filled in? Yeah.

He was born only for me.

He was what?

He was born only for me.

Oh, you feel like he was made for you? Awesome. That's awesome. And he probably felt that about you, I bet.

Well, I hope so. I hope so.

Have you had the opportunity to try and be that for somebody else in your life? Or like, do you feel like you have some of the same like, like capabilities that he had? It takes a special person to be that type of person, and we're all special in different ways.

I'm nowhere near the person that he was, no. We're born from two different structures and fibers. He's just a total disciplinarian, a yuga, he's just, he almost wants to be perfect. He hardly makes any mistakes around people. He won't do any, he just wants to be right at every moment, you know. He puts himself in position to be right. He's just, I can say megalomaniac, but he was just a disciplinarian person. Sometimes he'll go where you're out eating, he just— it's all about having us stop eating for a week.

Sometimes he what? I'm sorry, I'm gonna move your mic.

He just may start— stop. He just may stop eating for a week. Just stop. Just stop. My wife did the same shit. You got this thing in there.

And Mike, she was flagging me from back there.

Was she really?

She was.

Oh, that's some bullshit. I knew that, right? You see, I knew that shit.

I know this, Kiki. Do you love me? She loves you.

Oh shit.

That's what it's like if you love somebody. You got to keep them clean, you know.

I hear you.

Um, can you say that last part though? He was such a disciplinarian. Was he, was he disciplined in his own life? Like, did he like—

he was in the army, he was in World War II.

Okay, so he was very— he almost had an institutionalized disciplinarian.

Like, if I'm going to the school dance and it's like, what, 3 miles away, and the taxi's a little Later I say, cuz the taxi's gonna be a little late, I can't stay up for you, run home now. Oh, I went to girl, to wait for the cab, but I said, baby, you gotta wait for the cab. I got my shoes, I'm running home.

Did you really?

I gotta run home, yeah.

And dress shoes, probably for the dance.

I gotta run, I gotta run home, get home now, run. Click, click, click, click, click, click.

Dang, man. It's hard to keep a girl when you acting like that.

Oh, I was too, yeah. I was extreme. It was hard to have a girl. I was too extreme with training.

What was your relationship like? Was it easy for you to relate to girls when you were young, like to date and that kind of stuff?

No way. It was— listen, um, it was all about fighting. It was all about fighting.

Oh, so you really set— you weren't even trying to date or anything as a youngster?

Yeah, I dated kind of late in life. Yeah, because I was— I just fell in love with fighting. I, I talk to a girl, I'm talking about fighting, she talking about what?

Yeah, yeah, they don't want to see you shadowboxing. Yeah, cuz they want to hug. I mean, they like the part when the ref tries to separate you.

No, no, they don't mind seeing me shadowboxing, but they want to talk deep. I want to talk about fighting.

You loved it that much? When you— what made—

I loved it, I loved it.

Why, why was it such a magnet for you, do you think, fighting?

I think because when I was young and I watched some of the big-time fights, I think it was just the the way the crowd rooted for people's names. I wanted them to root my name one day.

Yeah, that's cool, huh? Did you feel like— yeah, why did you do— like, because it's interesting, some people have this feeling they need, they want somebody to see them, right? Or, or they want to have, they want to have a say in the world. Like, did you feel like you like were missing part of that? Like, were you not being seen? Or do you—

oh, I guess when the customizer told me I'm the greatest fighter since the beginning of life. So I was 12. He told me that at 12.

And you believed him?

Yes.

Because you trusted him?

Yes.

Wow, that's pretty powerful that it would just be able to— you'd be able to envelop that that much.

No, um, how can you pick the kid, 12 years old, tell him you're the greatest fighter in the world, and you're looking at him like he's some old pervert guy trying to do something? You know, time— you know, I'm with me, I'm a thief, I'm Crook? How am I some fucking world's greatest fighter of all time? So I thought this is some kind of trick the youth center was trying to pull on me.

Oh yeah, yeah, those youth centers.

So, um, this guy turned out to be the real deal, and I turned out to be Mike Guy, Mike whatever the fuck people think I am. Yeah, yeah. So he was the real deal.

Do you think if you hadn't had, like— because, you know, I've heard you talk about being scared as a kid and having, like, um, you know, your mother passed away when you were young. And we don't have to talk about some of that. I'm just saying things that I—

You can talk about anything.

Okay. Those are just some things that I know about you, right? I don't know you, but those are things that I know about you.

You may think you know about me, you'll figure them out now.

Okay, let's go.

Oh, ding, ding, ding.

All right, all right, all right. Thank you, Mike. Thank you for spending time with us and with me.

Thank you. I didn't think I was gonna like you. You made a good project.

Really? Yeah. Thanks, bro. I appreciate that.

My wife told me, don't judge him, don't judge him. I was feeling like, I said, don't judge him, don't judge him.

She's got a very, uh, you could tell she's a very, she has a, she has a good soul, your wife.

Yes, she did. She believes in you.

Do you think that you, if you'd have been, if you'd have had the things you needed as a child, right? Like the things that every child needs, right? Like the—

I don't want that. Stay away from me. Keep that shit away from me. I like to suffer.

You like the way it went?

I love to suffer. I don't want no good time.

Right.

Yeah.

Oh, you like the discomfort?

Oh, yes. I like being out of me, you know, getting out of my comfort zone.

But if you'd have had those, like, if you had the stereotypical things that people—

I would be a bitch.

Would you have been the heavyweight champion of the world?

No. Wow. The heavyweight bitch of the world. I know.

I'd be wearing slippers during the day, probably. I'd be wearing dang slippers during the day.

Yeah, my mother would, my mother would baby me, wouldn't allow me to fight and all that stuff. Nah, it wasn't meant for me to have my mother.

Did she baby you as a kid? Like, what was she like?

Um, she was a drunk, she was a prostitute, but, um, she was who she was.

You know, my mom, uh, My mom had like an issue when I was a kid. Like she couldn't look at me because—

Why? What's wrong with you?

I know.

What's wrong with you? You know something that we don't know?

I don't know shit. But something was wrong with her. She like, she just couldn't— like something that like when my mom was growing up, like her dad like would make them like put his food under the door. He would not talk to my mom for like for months at a time. And he would go in and out of their house through the window.

That sounds like a mental illness.

Yeah, right. A mental illness, for sure.

That's what they call it now, a mental illness.

Right, right. At the time, yeah, it was just like kind of a reverse drive-through dinner. Yeah.

I got one good with your dad, I swear.

But anyway, I'm just saying, like, there was just like— so early on I realized I got to take care of myself, right? Like, and I don't know if that was the truth, but inside of myself I made that decision. Like, I probably was a kid for maybe 45 seconds, and since then I was an adult. I don't care if I was 2 months old. Does that make any sense to you?

Exactly. You know, my wife is kind of shamanic, and she believes that we ask for our parents. Then when I start believing, I said, if I didn't have the parents I had, I would never be me. I said, she might got something. I never tell her, I'm saying it now. She may have something there. I did pick those parents. If I didn't have those parents, I would be fucked up. Yeah, she might be right.

What's a nice memory that you have with your mom that was like something you think about that was like kind of like a moment that you kind of cherish?

It was one Christmas Day, and her birthday was on Christmas.

Your mother's birthday was on Christmas?

I don't know how we got some money, but it was just a festival. Her and her friends, they had food there, and then we was eating food, and we have never had that much food before. And I don't know how they got the money.

I know it was something skullduggery, but I'm sure, um, skullduggery, a little bit of skullduggery.

Yeah, so I'm sure, um, something that broke the law, but it was just a great moment, you know. And that's what I was accustomed to. I was accustomed to the pimps, the criminals, the stick-up guys, the robbers all being over my mother's house and stuff, because that— we were the house of crime. I lived in a house of crime.

Where did you sleep? Did you have your own room?

No, come on home, I slept on the floor on a blanket somewhere. The beds are for the, for the, um, for the Johns. For the Johns, yeah, exactly. I was gonna say for the tricks, but yeah, the John, the beds belong to them. We got a bed, are you for real? I don't know if my brothers and sisters heard me, they bring back memories to them, a bed, trip.

You slept on each other's backs. One person had to lay down flat and the other person got to sleep.

We didn't do that. We slept on different parts of the floor, but you know, you had to— if it's hot, you had the air conditioning, then you turn the big fan.

Oh dude, I remember our mom— my mom would only let it be 80 degrees in the house, right? And I'm like, well that— and at the time when I was a kid, I didn't know that that's pretty warm, right? And so We would go get the cold water and we would just put it all over the sheet and then we would lay on it like that. Make a little beach, go to Florida.

But it was fun. Listen, right? Poverty is just so beautiful sometimes.

If you can laugh at it, it's hilarious.

Oh, it is.

We had some fun.

Nothing more funny than poverty.

Oh, dude, we—

It doesn't matter. It doesn't care how rich or famous you get. It still affects you. Don't care how big you get. Remember this? It comes out. Do you remember this?

Yeah, I did. Bro, I'll tell you something. It's a little racial, but let's do it because—

Go for it.

We used to live like— people would burn their trash in the ditch, right? And so me and my buddy William, we would get out there and my buddy Larry, and we would get all wet, and we would run and jump through the smoke in the ditch until we were pretty darkerish, right? And then, bro, we would kind of wait until somebody drove by and yelled the N-word at us. Yeah.

N-word. I hate that shit. Say nigger. Say nigger. You don't say N-word. It's for bitch. Say nigger. All these people drove by and called us niggers.

Wait, hold on. Do you need me to say? If you need, I'm just, I don't want to do something. I can't tell what's going on here, to be honest with you. I mean, I'll jump through some.

I just need to say one thing and I'd be ashamed. All right. Yeah. Say I'm a nigga lover.

You need me to say it?

Yeah. Say I'm a nigga lover. Go ahead, man.

But does it mean all of them?

Kind of, a little bit. God, even a rotten one.

I don't know. I don't know if people think I should do it or not.

Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. Please, please, please, please. Come on, man, stop fucking the show up, man. You fucking the show up, man.

You right, bro.

Dang, dude. Holy shit.

Oh, I just— what can I say, bro? I'm a lover, bro.

God is great, brother. God is great. God is great.

Now hold on. No, who is cheering for this?

I love this show. I love this fucking show.

Oh fuck, are we going to jail or not? Are we okay? Another knockout for Mike. Here comes the podcast. It's cuz he's got a new podcast, he trying to get me off the charts, that's why. Mike, people are going to be crying and he's scared to say nigga, motherfucker. I don't know if, if those are the same Oh.

Man, that nigga look, that nigga pussy's a motherfucker. I'm sorry, forgive me, guys.

Hold on.

I'm sorry.

I mean, I don't know. I've had a little, I don't, you know, I don't.

A little what?

Huh?

You have a little or did you have a little?

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Let's keep it on up, moving on up. Okay, moving on up to the skies.

Remember that? So, dude, remember when Good Times was popping, bro?

It was really good time, dude.

I'll tell you a story. So I'm in the airport one time, right? Jimmy Walker, uh, the actor from Good Times, right? One of the great comedians. He's walking in the airport, somebody starts yelling dynamite at him. The police thought it was like a, uh, terrorist attack. Yeah, they didn't see him. Oh, they just see a couple, uh, a couple of bitches yelling dynamite and they just jumped on them, bro. And I laughed. I didn't— I could have helped and told people what's going on, but I had to— I was in a hurry, you know, I had to get to Cincinnati.

Yeah, good times.

That was a good show, dude. Janet Jackson was on there.

Yes.

Did you ever get to meet Janet?

Yes, I have. I did have a chance to meet Janet.

And you— someone said— this is a rumor that I heard— that you and Michael Jackson closed down SeaWorld one night and had a party there. Is that true?

This is not true at all.

It's not true. Don King told me that.

He's a liar.

I'm joking. He didn't tell me that, but we knew if he did, he'd have lied about it.

He tells the truth by accident.

Yeah.

I just got one side.

He tells the truth by accident. Hey man.

Yeah.

It is what it is, dude. But no, did you actually get to spend time with Michael Jackson? Because he's such a— yeah, what was he like as a person?

A splendid, beautiful person. Hit behind all that stuff, he was a beautiful, calm, humble person. And I didn't like him for a long time because my friend had called me and said, hey Mike, I'm okay. This is one of Mike's, um, producers. He said, hey man, I'm over Mike's house. And once he said, fuck that, he disrespected me, he did that. Nah, man, fuck that.

Jackson said all that?

I said that.

Oh, okay.

And then my friend went like this. He said, "Really? He asked for me to call you?" I said, "I'll be right there." Boom! I was right over the house.

What was he like? Was he just like a—

He was very shy. He was very humble. He was at the end of his, you know, he was dealing with that bad stuff, that child stuff. He was dealing with that. He was really— and no, only with 4 people at the house, no friends, so kind of, and it was just him and I got to know him. Ask about Tupac!

But I'm, I'm doing fine.

Um, I love you, man. You're beautiful. I thought you was going to be some mullet redneck. You're beautiful, baby. You're beautiful.

I'm doing all right. I just, I feel lucky to be here with you today, man.

Beautiful.

Um, do you think Michael was— that he— do you think he was involved in that kind of stuff when you got to know him? Would you ever feel that about him or no?

I had a different opinion about him once I got to to know him.

Got it.

Yeah, totally different opinion, dude.

I read somewhere— actually, I didn't read it, I'm lying to you. One of my friends told me that like he had some girls with him and you was like inquiring, are these your girlfriends? And he said, get your own bitches, to you.

Oh, he did?

No, I'm not— I'm saying that—

I'll tell you what happened.

Please do.

I went to a Michael Jackson concert with Dogg. He had said, come, come, come, come to Cleveland and meet my babies and we'll see Michael. So he called me, I want to see— so we walk into the show, the last song, We walk into the arena, we walk down the middle of the aisle. He goes like this to Don King. Don King puts his hand up. I go like this and he puts his hand down. And I say to myself, I know Mike didn't just diss me. I said, no, he don't know. He's the big piece of performance. He can't be thinking about me. Of course not me. So I go in the back and I'm in the back. This whole staff is just loving me, loving me. The band guy gave me his sticks. Everybody's all over me. Mike's at the corner chilling like this with the door open, I guess. He's waiting for a car, he's gonna jump in the car. And everybody's all, man, I think, let me go over there and say hi to Mike, you know, because I want to go see if it's a good night. I go over there, before I say anything, he goes, where do I know you from?

This is the biggest moment in my life. I just beat Michael Springsteen, the whole world's talking about nothing but me, and he looks at me, where do I know you from? You look familiar. Where do I know you from? And I said, nowhere, Mr. Jackson, I'm just a fan. I said, I said, that was a good one. I hate him ever since. I hated him ever since. If my friend didn't call me to come over the house and said, Mike called you, I would have never— I would have been hating him now. Wow. I didn't believe he said that. I was just a little kid. He said that to me.

You think he was joking?

Oh, he was dead serious. Wow.

You think he was very competitive?

He was. Mike is too competitive. He's not friendly with nobody. Yeah, especially not in the music business. If you don't bend the knee, you got to bend the knee for Mike.

Well, yeah, he didn't even— he wasn't friendly even with Black folks. He freaking ended up white. You got to be on, you know what I'm saying? You got to have an issue with people.

But listen, everybody's going that route now. I've seen a bunch of athletes and singers go that route. Yeah, the Black turned white route.

Yep, that's it.

Hey.

Red Rover, Red Rover, come on, you know, send them over, bro.

Passing is passing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What if, like, and some of this is just like lore stuff, what about Whitney Houston? Did you ever get to meet her?

I knew Whitney very well.

No way.

Yeah, I knew Whitney very well.

Was she so cute?

She came to visit me in prison. When I was in prison, she came to visit me.

She did?

Yeah, one of my good friends.

And when was that, when you were in prison in New York?

No, motherfucker, I'm up in Indianapolis. It's cold.

I was just checking to see if you remember where you were in prison at.

Yeah, I have a lot of— listen, um, I had a lot of, um, really interesting visitors. A lot of really interesting people.

Whitney came to visit you? Did she sing for you or anything like that, or did she just come and spend time?

She just came and she brought her family. Her and the family came and hung out with me.

Who else came to visit you?

I don't know, quite a few people. You have to name some names or something.

What about Michael Landon?

He was dead, man.

God.

Was he dead? He was dead then. Also, he had cancer back then, so listen.

Patrick Swayze?

He was dead too, I think.

What? Why do all the white people die in your stories? I'm starting to notice this, Miley.

Hey, Florence Henderson came.

No way.

She came, yes. But listen to this, she came to visit me. But I'm locked in the hole. I had to fight with one of the guards, so I'm not going to come out. If you come out the hole, you got to come out chained. So I said, I'm not going to come out like that. So I asked her to forgive me. I didn't want to do that, cuz you would have—

it would have just— you didn't want her to see you like that.

I didn't want to see me in shackles and my feet and all that crap. It looks crazy.

Yeah. When they put you into the hole, so I know it was like 23 hours of darkness, right? And then 1 hour of light, or vice versa, the other way?

No, they just leave the light on all night.

Oh, the light's on all night?

Light on.

Oh, that's good. I mean, at least in case you get up or whatever.

It gives you a fucking headache. Oh yeah. 24 hours a day for like, what, 10 weeks? Nuh-uh. Yeah.

What starts to happen to somebody in there? Like, is it anything helpful?

Yeah. The peace, the solitude is healthy. Very healthy, the solitude.

And what's—

'Cause most of us, believe it or not, are not able to be by ourselves for a long period of time. You know, we haven't developed a relationship with ourselves where we adore ourselves. We can't stop up being up and stop being in our own presence. And I guess that's the way to be, constant happiness and love. Even though we go to the bad shit, makes that beautiful too.

Yeah, I think, I don't know, in my life, like, I feel like in my life, my whole life, I was waiting for somebody to show up up, right? I don't even really exactly know who it was. But then, like, recently I'm realizing that I think I'm just waiting for me to show up. Does that make any sense to you?

I don't want to ask about this, but you have to get, you know, I mean, that's your narrative. How does that guy appear? How do you make that guy appear?

Right. The first thing that I'm, that I'm learning for myself, and some of this is pretty recent, is just like having some integrity. Like, you know, if I say I'm like 'Cause if I say I'm gonna do something and I don't, I hear myself do that, right? And so after a while, I don't even believe myself. I think after a while I quit even listening to myself 'cause it's like, well, how many times am I gonna lead myself on, you know? I don't know if that's exactly true, but I think that's the best answer I have for that.

It's always the higher power. It's always the higher power. I'm from the world that you come from as well, you know, the recovery world. And it's a battle. Some guys sober for 20 years, all of a sudden, boom, they took, they go to drugs and kill themselves. It's a constant battle. No one's ever a winner to the end of the day, till it's over and we're dead. Then you won. If you ever do any drugs and you beat the system that was killing you, you go die, boom. But sometimes these guys stop using drugs for 30 years and go back.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? You just can't believe it. So you're never safe.

Okay, you're never safe.

Yeah, nobody's gonna get out of here alive. I learned that in rehab.

Yeah, it kind of makes it exciting, doesn't it? It's kind of funny as you get—

Nobody gets out of here alive.

As you get older, one of the things that gets a little bit exciting is dying because it's a new adventure.

I don't listen.

Does that make sense?

That makes too much sense. I find, um, death is another part of life we just never experienced yet. You know, if life is good, how death could be bad? Be honest. If God loves us, how could death really be bad? If we look at God the way we believe him to be. How could death be bad if he created it?

If we didn't think it was final, then we— how would we behave in this time that we're here?

Well, listen, um, God prepares us, the universe prepares us for death, you know. Little by little, we lose our friends, we lose people we care about, we lose our hair, we lose our teeth, we lose our life. It's nothing that happens spontaneous, you know. It's meant to be.

Yeah, we lose our ability to be around Black people safely because I've said the N-word in here. Yeah.

No, you know what I mean? Black people love you. You're a nigga lover, you're not a nigga hater.

Hey, that's a good point, bro. Thanks for looking out for me.

I hope that— I hope they're not able to cancel you on this show, because shit, we talked about niggas. Hey, niggas always got people canceling. Oh, it never fails. A nigga will get you. The word nigga. Yeah.

Oh, it's great to see some equality at last. Are you sometimes amazed, like when you look at your life, how much grace God has had in your life?

I realize that if you don't believe in God, look at me, because I should not be right here talking to you and all these people.

No, you probably did not, man.

Listen, no, really, when I'm in my 30s, I said, yes, God did a really dirty trick. He allowed me to live to be 60. Goddamn, if I knew I was gonna be 60, I'd have played the game. Yes, sir. No, ma'am. Yes, sir. Fuck you, suck my dick. Fuck you. I went that route instead.

Yeah, you did. Fuck.

Imagine 60 years of yes, sir, how you doing, ma'am?

Oh, I'd walk right up to heaven like this, bro. I'd have walked right into heaven, man. Sit at my table. Yeah, if I'd have been— Yeah, I think there's something about like when you feel like you're doing everything yourself. Like, did you feel like that as a kid? Like everything, I'll figure this out, I'll handle it. Like, did you have that like chip on your shoulder?

Do you feel like— I had a mentor. When I had my mentor, he told me not to ever say anything negative about myself.

Really?

Only say beautiful things about myself.

Costomatos taught you that?

Yes.

And what did he tell you exactly?

Always say beautiful things about myself and never say anything negative about myself because my subconscious don't know if I'm playing or not.

Mm.

Yeah.

It's pretty— isn't it wild how there's something—

No, but I learned that at 12 years old. I had to learn that at 12 to be the champion at 20. Mm. You know, if I learned it at 15, 16, hey, it probably wouldn't have worked out. Then I'd have been chapter 22, probably.

Yeah.

So everything worked out for the right reason.

What was one of the hardest walks, uh, to the ring you ever had to make?

All the walks are the same, pretty much. You know, it becomes a routine.

Was there one that, like, you didn't want it, or it's things that changed, or you were like— I don't, I don't know, I've never been a fighter.

I always wanted it because, um, every time I got in the ring, when I lost, my life changed in a good perspective for my family.

Right, you got— you were providing for your family for sure.

Yeah, that's all I know how to do.

When did you, um, when did you become an adult?

Excuse me? Well, that happened late in life. That happened real late in life, man. I can't even tell you, man. I was probably— who, what, 45 or something?

Oh dude, I freaking wet the bed till I was 27.

That's mental illness. That's mental illness. Yeah.

Yeah, it is. But they don't say that. They just call you Mr. Drippy Drop or whatever.

No, they don't call you mental illness. Pissy. Pissy Cool. Hey, Pissy Cool, come on out.

They call you Lil Yellow Boy.

Hey, Yellow Boy.

But yeah, what do you think made you start to turn like, finally, like, I have to, I got to grow up, or something happened?

I'm becoming, um, because some guys took my pigeons and bullied me, and that was the first time I fought back. And it was like love at first fight. I never stopped fighting ever since.

Some guys, they took it and they ripped my bird's head off. What?

Yeah, he was a Dirty Ron kind of guy back there.

You remember him?

Yeah.

Who was he?

Gary Flowers.

Fuck him.

Never forget his name.

How could he do it.

You know, he's a young kid back then, rocking that, being a bully. I was a little fat kid, they bullied me all the time.

Yeah, but even if I saw a kid that was kind of like had some glandular issues or whatever, I'm not going to break a bird's neck.

It's just, um, that's all about humiliating people.

Oh, it was like a humiliation thing, right? I'm going to make you feel this way. Oh, did you ever get him back?

Oh, I beat the dog shit out of him. I remember a little bit too when And that's the best thing happened, because every day I fought. I must have fought 3 times a day. I couldn't stop fighting. I loved it so much.

And were you having trouble finding people to fight?

Oh no, they used to bring people for me to fight for money.

Oh really?

Yeah.

And, uh, and so who would get the money?

The guy would say, listen, if you win, you get this much. If you lose, you get this much.

So no matter what, you made some money.

You made some money.

What's the first thing you kind of bought when you got a little money?

I don't know, some weed and some candy.

Yeah, weed and candy, bro. That's what I'm talking about, bro.

I had the munchies ready for the munchies. That Now and Later. Did you ever eat Now and Later?

Dude, yeah, but they make your teeth stick together.

I know, but it's good when you're high.

Yeah, you're right.

You're high, you don't mind. You know, you got to talk and then your teeth is out within the gum. You ever did that before? Teeth is out in the Now and Later.

Oh, the shape of your teeth. Yeah, that shit was cool, bro. I like that shit, man. I really like that, man.

You ever had some black pussy? I'm just asking, guys. It's between me and him. Please don't respond.

I mean, I've had Yeah, I mean, during the holidays one time I had a little. That's true.

I'm not talking about no Jewish girl with a great tan.

I mean a black girl. Oh, I'm talking about some real— yeah, some of that freaking— yeah, I'm just saying, like, I'm just trying to think. I— yes, I had some.

I had—

I've had a little. I've had a little. I have had, Mike. I have actually.

Meaning that you put half halfway in and you put it all the way in that— what is that little? You put it in a little or you put it in a lot? Oh, it's a little when you put it in.

It doesn't go in a lot. Oh. Like, it's more the hokey pokey.

Okay. You go in, she comes out.

Yeah, yeah. But I've had a little, man. I've had a little and I, yeah, I would get some more. I would, yeah. I get some more sometime. You know, God—

What kind of Black woman you dream about fucking though? What's the body shape? Name somebody's body shape.

Well, some Black women, you fuck 'em and they fuck back, kinda, you know? They got that vagina kind of, it'll fuck you back, you know? It's almost like when you—

The last 100 years ago that I fucked a white girl, she did that too. Oh my God. Same thing.

But I almost try to, I was flirting with this black lady that worked at the airport for a while, but they said move along eventually.

Did you get tickets? Did you get free flights?

No, I did not.

Why you mess with her then? I ain't going to have— I'm not going to date no girl at the airport and I'm not getting free flights, man.

Yeah, you're right, you're right. I, I, I don't know. Look, man, maybe you'll set me up with a good gal that you know.

I don't know any good girls, but I know a good time. I know a few good girls that give you a good time.

Did you ever have like a— because Hollywood, people steal people's spouse or girlfriends, boyfriends. Did you ever have somebody steal a girlfriend of yours here?

I'm sure they did, but I just don't know about it.

You didn't?

Yeah.

I feel bad actually, because I was saying that question, but I knew another question I was going to ask.

Ask it then.

Somebody said that Brad Pitt stole a girlfriend of yours one time.

No, that's an interesting story. Yeah. All right. No, he didn't steal her from me, but me and my wife was going through a divorce. We weren't getting back, but we were still fucking, right?

Okay.

We're always fucking every night. We were still fucking. Then we fighting in the paper, then we're fucking. Like, but one day I went over her house to fuck her. She wasn't home, nobody. And then driving up the road with the BMW that I bought her, and she had some— I thought it was one of her friends from Head of the Class, but it wasn't one of her friends. It was some nigga Brad Pitt trying to get some head.

That's— Yeah, so, uh, that honky was with her?

Yeah, white motherfucker.

Damn, damn, bro. That honky was trying to slide, huh?

Dirty dog. I love you.

The fact that we got to call Brad Pitt a honky is fucking hilarious, bro.

He's beautiful, brother.

But you caught him in the driveway?

Yeah, he was beautiful. I was just— I think that, um—

Did you punk him a little?

No.

I guess I'll— yeah, he is Brad Pitt. At least if your girl's gonna be with somebody, it's got— if it's Brad Pitt, that's okay.

Yeah, I guess you're right. But he wasn't Brad Pitt yet.

Oh, he wasn't Brad Pitt yet?

I didn't know who the fuck he was.

He was just Brad.

Yeah. And she was driving him. He didn't even have a car.

Oh, that's some Brad shit. Brad never got a car, bro. Name 7 Brads that have cars, bro. None of them bastards got it. Oh, have you been good at being in love, you think, over your life?

I've gotten so much trouble being in love in my life. And the love is, um, Love is so many entities, you know what I mean?

Love has been— you gotten in so much trouble.

No, I don't have trouble with love. I have trouble with me. Love has nothing to do with it.

Love has trouble with you?

No, it's me with the trouble. I have nothing— love has no beef with me. Love's supposed to do what it does, and I'm supposed to do what I do, you know, and that's what we do.

You think you're hard to love or not? Huh? You think you're hard to love?

Um, I think I'm a quiet taste. Yeah. I'm humble enough to know that I could be replaced, but I'm confident to know that nobody in the world is like me.

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That's 10% off at tecovas.com/theo. Tecovas.com/theo. See site for details. Tecovas. Point your toes west. Did it ever become like, like being Mike Tyson became, um, and being Iron Mike Tyson and being like, um, this— when you, when you become bigger than you, how did that affect you like as a person? Do you feel like—

I know the truth that I'm never big. I don't never— that's just, uh, some form of imagination really, being some big star. I know who I am. I know what I've accomplished in life, the good, the bad, you know, but there's not many people, you know, listen, I walk with poverty and I sit with presidents, you know, I've just, it's not too many things I haven't done in my life, you know. So I just take my life day by day. I don't make too many plans, you know.

I met your wife now, Kiki.

Yeah, very interesting person, huh?

I'm going to say she's a beautiful, nice lady. You can say she's a very interesting person. She is very interesting, I'm sure. I don't know her well. She seems very— she has very kind eyes and she seems like she really cares about you. So those are things that I noticed. And you guys have some beautiful children. I saw some of them. One of them, I think, is here. Maybe two.

Two of them.

Michael.

Miguel.

But—

Miguel.

Miguel. Lo siento.

In Milan.

In Milan.

Yeah.

Keke seems to just have like, she wants to make sure that you're okay, right? Is there like, or what's it like now with this relationship? What's this marriage like?

I don't know. It's too perfect. We need a little bullshit in that whole thing. Yeah, we cool. We have a great connection, you know. Um, we, we bullshit every now and then.

What's something you really love about her?

I just love her being a mother. She's an awesome mother, awesome wife, and an all-around beautiful person. I really hit the jackpot with this monkey. She's real precious.

Where did you meet, uh, Kiki at?

I knew her since she was like 19, 18. Yeah.

Is she like a strong woman in the household? Like, what's that kind of energy like? Like, does she make you get up early or anything?

No, that's the whole thing. I don't have to move.

What's that?

With my wife, I don't have to move. Yeah? Yeah, I don't have to move. She takes care of me, everything. I got the real wife that, you know, cooks for me, bring my food to my plate. If I'm tired, she'll feed me. I got it going on.

Oh, you got a queen, huh? Yeah. That's nice.

Then she's also my pet, and she's also my tiger too. She's my defender.

So she has that in her too. Mm. No, you got to have somebody that has that.

Oh, you have to. There's nobody has more fury than a woman. And that's just in general. There's nobody that fights more fierce than a woman.

Oh, dude, they can make a child. If you and I laid on her back for 9 months, we couldn't make shit.

No, no. They could listen. They could bleed 9 months and leave. We get a little cut on our hand, we get an infection and die. You know? Women are a special breed.

Yeah, well, they're wizards. They're damn wizards, I'll say that. But they are also a great breed.

No, that's the biggest gift God could ever give us is a woman. Yeah. The most precious gift God could ever give us is a woman.

Yeah, that's the truth. I agree. I agree, man.

Hey, this is our show.

You heard the man. I think like fathering and fame would seem like it's really hard for me.

It's miserable. How about your life?

I don't have any children yet.

Oh, God bless you, man.

What?

God bless you, because this doesn't work well with children.

Well, I don't want things that I've said or done to influence my children's life or people to look at them a certain way or have certain expectations. Expectations out of them. But I don't fear that, that much. But your life has been at an insane amount of that. Like, what was that? Did it make it hard for you? Like, what was it like fathering and having your life, like, and the fame?

I don't know. Um, my kids have a great life, and if they ever started complaining, they should think about, I should have had my father. Then they would have a right to complain. Yeah, they do not have a right to complain. My kids go to the best schools the world can offer. They had the best, um, they have the best opportunities the world can offer. It's up to them to take advantage of it.

Where was your father from?

North Carolina.

Oh dude, no way! I'm going to freaking Wilmington this weekend.

Charlotte.

He's from Charlotte.

Oh, Charlotte.

Charlotte's okay.

I, I don't—

I, I'm fine.

I never been there.

You haven't? I'm fine with it. I will tell you this story. So one time I was in Charlotte, right? And I hadn't been there before. My friend and I were sitting on a patio. We were just getting something to eat. And I saw somebody pushing a baby carriage out there, right? And I thought— and they were wearing like a couple of different like, like shawls or like rugs, almost like a bunch of like tapestries and stuff over them and over the carriage. And I thought it was like a homeless guy, like almost like a French homeless guy, right? Because he's French. Well, just, he was a very cool— it looked like, dude, it was French and North Carolina. Well, just because of the elegance of the shawls and stuff, they seem very French-ish, very French-ish. And yeah, French-ish. It was freaking Cam Newton pushing his newborn down the street.

Are you serious?

I swear, that is a true story. And that's true that it was him, dude. I keep looking. I'm like, damn, they got the most beautiful, elegant homeless around here. They really vibing. And then I'm like, I saw people run up and get photos. And it was Cam Newton. He just had a newborn child. And he was taking it for a little afternoon stroll out there by the McCormick and Schmick's out there.

You have anybody you're in love with?

Do I have anybody I'm in love with? Yeah. Uh, I mean, not sure. I ain't saying crazy things. Nobody off the top of my head.

Yeah, you're not with a woman right now?

No, I'm not with a woman right now.

No, you're not kicking it with no one right now?

I mean, I'm— you know what I'm saying? Uh, I'm saying that.

How old are you? How old are you?

I'm 46, dude. I'm an adult.

You got the fucking hair. You got that fucking hair. As long as you got that hair, you got that— you got the advantage of that pussy. Once that hair go, that hair is serious That's the biggest pussy advantage right there. The hair. It's all about the hair.

If you'd had hair, you think you'd have been even more handsome?

If I had hair, I wouldn't be married. I'd be in lawsuits and all that shit.

You'd be in lawsuits? That's crazy, bro.

Ah, that's— hair is power. That's why. When they did that about Samson, 'cause really, hair is power.

Well, that's what— even when they used to scalp people and stuff and take their hair, they was taking the, you know, they would take out something. That's why I grew my hair up.

People, they represent power. That's why they always trying to cut your hair, boy. You look like an animal. Cut your hair, cut your hair. Keep your fucking hair.

Yeah, bitch, I want to be an animal.

Yeah, keep your fucking hair. Because once you lose your hair, you go, oh, oh, it's like, God, I wish I had it back. Some guys say, I was in the way. No, it wasn't in the way, motherfucker. You wish you had your hair back.

It was the only thing that was in the way of us, in the way of you being a little I'm a bitch. That's the only thing I want. Huh?

Well, let that hair grow. It don't care how much you grow. Let it grow.

Let it— Braid that shit.

Let the people say, oh, you're an animal. You can't get a job. You can get a job without a hair now.

Yeah, you can get a job at Cricket Target. You can get a job as a mechanic's assistant.

Anything. Anything. That makes more money than the average person by far.

Yeah. Bro, you could just brush your hair online, and dudes will pay to watch you do it.

Yo, listen. That online thing— It's either the best thing a pedophile could ever dream of, or else it's the biggest hit in the world. One or the other.

It's the worst, bro. Do you think— have you seen times change, bro? Same. But like, how bad? Like, things are not bad, but things just gotten so much different. It's gotten away from the—

everything became sexual lately, and everybody's worried about who's sleeping with who, everybody's worrying about who gender is who. And who looks like this, and it's all about that now.

Yes, there used to be so much more, I think. I don't know, when you couldn't record everything, the moment was so great. But because then also, if I needed to know a story, the only way I could get it was from you or from somebody that told it well. And so that person had like, I don't know, they had an ambiance about them. There might be a dude in town, all he did was tell one good story.

Or no, that's happened since the beginning of life.

Yeah. And now it's suddenly different.

Yeah.

And now we have people out here losing their minds and shit.

Killing themselves, hurting themselves.

Killing themselves, Mike? Dude, nobody killed themselves when I was a kid. Nobody was killing themselves. If you were angry or depressed, you just listened to heavy metal and walked around town. Remember that?

Yes. But man, you know, it's just interesting that people are doing that now.

We're sick though. There's something poisoning us. Do you agree with that?

100%. I know the government know what it is.

Yeah, they ain't telling.

You know, because death is profitable. You know, people cashing on your insurance and all that shit. Death is very profitable.

Even at the morgue, dude, my buddy frickin' died. They put new shoes on him, charged his family $300. I'm like, bitch, he's wearing them for 50 minutes. Just get a rental. And they got a whole fresh pair. That's crazy, man. But I agree, there's something the government knows, man. So now people are gonna have to rise up. Something's gonna have to happen. Do you believe that people have that in us still?

Or do you believe— I believe this. I believe there's some people, even if they're elite people, they have money and have the resources to live longer, healthier. You know? Imagine being 90 and living healthy. You could still run, you could still fuck, you can still do things with your family.

Jump, fall over.

Exactly. No, serious.

Yeah, I feel you. You think that's possible for some people right now and they're hiding it?

Right now, absolutely right. Absolutely. Because the bullshit that I use now, all this meth and all this shit, nigga, they can't— it's just crazy.

Yeah.

Feel young. That's all. That's why I be going fighting again. Do it next week, I feel good. Next thing they're gonna give you something, they kind of got now that thing you sniff and it makes you smarter.

What is it?

I don't know what it is. No, listen, you're laughing now, but don't laugh. When it comes out, you can say Mike was talking about that.

You'll be hitting that shit.

And yeah, yeah, I don't know if you get too smart, you might have a fucking brain collapse, right? An aneurysm or something.

I don't wanna— there's a lot of shit I don't want to know, dude. The smarter I get, I feel like the more I hurt, bro.

No, but listen, um, they got stuff. Check this Yeah. Imagine somebody said, I have something in this needle that'll make you last 30 more years strong, or make your dick stay hard for 24 hours, or something like that. That's what people are working at. They, whatever they want, whatever our biggest, um, kinks are, right? It could be sex, it could be alcohol. They give you a shot, there's no more alcohol in your life, no more drugs in your life. It's all about the— oh, it's gonna be all about the needles soon and pills. Oh, needles and pills.

Did you— were you ever a needle user or not?

Well, I used a lot of needles. Yes, I have. Yeah, I used a lot of needles.

Because that's a different barrier when you go into drug use. Like, I've used a lot of stuff. I never used no needles. I've used like steroids, but I never used, uh, like, you know, shooting up, like, uh, whatever it's called. Heroin.

Heroin. Yeah.

Yeah. I never used it. And now I wish I would have smoked crack, I will say that.

Stay away from crack.

Really?

You don't normally come back.

Does it really?

Once you go crack, you don't come back.

What was it? Did you ever get to smoke it?

I did once and let's— oh no, so— oh, this is going to be fucking crazy. I got to tell you this.

Please do.

So one day, um, you know, I do my monthly checkup, but I'm still getting high. I'm going to get my checkup with my probation officer, and he gets my probation officer, he gets my test, blood test. I'm not even thinking. And he comes back, I come back, he said, we just test you for crack, but I could tell, what they call them? What do you call a crackhead?

Oh, crap, a what? Tweaker?

Tweaker. He said, yeah, but I got, I got, I had, I had it in me. But he said, yeah, I know a tweaker. You're not a tweaker. That's a false test. I said, fuck.

He knew by sight?

Yeah, he did. I could tell a tweaker. He said, you're not a tweaker. Because it was by accident. I didn't know it was the crack.

Oh, it was just in there.

Yeah, I took it without the guy telling me. I didn't know. And the cop said that to me. He said, yeah, you got a false test, but I could tell a tweaker. You're not a tweaker. Amen. I'm glad. Thank you for telling me that. Yeah. Word tweaker.

Thank you for the tweaker, God. That's good stuff.

And I said, fuck, that guy gave me that shit.

That's the thing, you don't know what you would get.

Exactly. Imagine if that was fentanyl. I'd be dead as a motherfucker.

You got out before fentanyl, thank God.

My wife would tell you, right? It came on the news that Mike died from a drug overdose at his party, and my wife thought I was dead. It was on the news. And the other thing, I come in the house a couple hours later, my wife screamed at me, cursed at me. Oh, fuck, I'm high. I just left the house and kept running.

It was a false story.

Yeah, it was a news too. My wife saw me and hit me. I got inside the house. I left.

Oh God, she was pissed even if he was alive.

She was pissed I was alive.

Her mother was pissed too.

Yeah, I told the way they crying every day, they think I'm dead. They checking morgues and shit and hospitals. And I walked through the door high. I'm coked up high and drunk. I just left the house.

Fuck this shit. These motherfuckers, they can't, they don't, yeah, they don't love me. Dude, yeah. Did you ever have those days where you stayed up multiple days from doing cocaine or no?

Yeah, absolutely. So listen, I'm I gotta tell you this bullshit story. So I can't get any sleep, so I'm calling the person, my nose hurt like a motherfucker, right? It's ah, my nose, I'm going ah. And so I'm calling the person and I'm saying, my nose is hurt, I'm fucking, I can't sleep, I've been up for 4 days, my nose is hurting, I got scabs on my nose. She said, your nose hurt? She said, you got any coke? I said, yeah. She said, here, here. I said, yeah. I said, wow, that's good. I never knew I had the coke all along. I should have took a hit. And numbed it up because it got, um, it wasn't numb anymore. It started bleeding, got sore. I had to take another hit to numb it up, man.

Oh, those nights are the worst, huh?

Oh man.

Oh, the worst, bro. Did you ever have to sneak into a hospital or did you have a private doctor? Because how—

yeah, um, yeah, this is true. Oh God, listen, I go to my doctor, right?

You're a doctor? Hold on. Let's get a round of applause for Mike's doctor, bro.

I go to my doctor's and I go like this. I said, this is, I'm gonna lay the spill on my doctor and I'm gonna quit cocaine right now. And he's checking me, right? Giving me, you know, checking out. And he said, how you doing? I said, doc, you know, I'm feeling bad. I need to quit. And he said, "What?" I said, "I need to quit coke." He said, "Really? You taking a lot lately?" I said, "Yeah." He said, "You have some on you?" I said, "Yeah." He said, "Can I have some?" I said, "Fuck!" The doc's my brother, this is on my Tuesday flights. And I'm like, "Fuck!" I'm trying to get help, I'm talking to the doctor, but I got a problem. He said, "You have some on you now?" He said, "Can I have some?" And then took it, he, ugh.

Was that Blue Cross Blue Shield?

Who was that? No, I go to the doctor. I go to rehab now, right? They put me in rehab and this is what I do. The guy that do the rehab staff, right, comes up here and he tells me all the rules and then I try to be a good guy, give him my coke, the last bit of coke. You know, normally I was doing coke before I came. You know, normally before you go rehab you get really high.

Yeah.

So I gave him the coke. I really wanted to get sober. I gave him the coke, my last coke. I said, here, I got some coke. He said, oh, you have some? Then he went and the next time I saw him he started acting funny. I said, I said, this nigga better not took my coke, cuz that was the good coke. I would— I wanted to be a good person and give it up. The took my coke. So I said, hey man, you took my coke, you got to stop letting me have girls come over here. Say let me have girls come over there after rehab. Yeah, what? My right hand on my children's life, man. Oh, you listen, I can't make like this up. The rehab guy said, oh, you got coke? And I said— and I give— no, I don't want to get high with her, I'm going try to live clean. This go away from He comes back acting weird. Yeah, I said, I know this motherfucker didn't take my coke. I got mad because I should have kept that shit then.

Type shit.

Oh man, I got so fucking mad, dude.

I'll tell you this freaking story. So one time my friend, we're getting out of an Uber, he dropped some coke, right? And I didn't know he did coke, and I didn't know I did coke, right?

I'm in there.

So I pick his coke up. I had never seen it before. I just saw this little bag in it. I registered pretty quick. This is probably cocaine, right? And so we go inside. We're staying at my buddy Kevin's house. We go inside and he starts saying, hey, will you help me look for something? But he won't tell me what it is because he doesn't want me knowing that he's—

He don't want to give you none. That's what it is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it is, bro. So I keep sneaking off and doing the coke. 'cause we're looking really hard, right? Bro, after like 2 hours he goes to sleep. I'm still looking for the shit and doing it, bro. And I forgot what I was even looking for, but I kept looking, bro, 'cause that's who I am. I'm committed. I'm that motherfucker that will ride with you, Mike.

I gotta tell you this story about cocaine, okay?

Okay.

I'm in, first time in Jamaica. Yeah, right. And I leave Jamaica, hanging out with Jamaica, hanging out there, and I go to Cuba for, you know, it's very close, hour, half an hour.

Did you get to meet Fidel in Cuba or not?

No. Interesting though, check this out. So I'm in Cuba, right? I'm hanging out, and so guy meets me, hey, you're Mike Tyson, right? Yeah.

Yeah.

Hey Mike Tyson, what's wrong? Is everything okay? I said, yeah, everything's great. You have money? I have lots of money. Yeah. You need a girl. I said, this is a possibility. Yes, I do. You're fucking genius. So he takes me around, listen, but you got, he takes me around this, it's nothing but bricks and rocks, abandoned, look like a bomb hit the place, it's disgusting. And I'm like, I'm thinking this guy's setting me up to get mugged or something here, right? And all of a sudden, this beautiful girl, she had raggedy clothes on, she comes out of this fucking, the crap, The lapidated building that looks like it got hit by a bomb. Nobody lives in there. This is all abandoned shit. And she comes out. I said, what the fuck?

Wow.

Yeah, but this is what I'm talking about, Castro. You know, the natives there were unable to live— they can't go in the hotels there. The people that live in the residence.

Because they don't want to keep talking to people that are visiting?

I don't know, but they're not allowed to go in the hotel. Castro allowed me to take people in my hotel. They let me do whatever I want wanted to do a while. Yeah, he was really nice. I had—

I—

what, I think I had a fight there. I threw bottles. I didn't get arrested or nothing. I was telling people, leave me alone, let me do what I want.

Damn.

Anybody else would have been throwing bottles and stuff on Cuba, they would have got fucked up. They'd have been in the hospital, then they would have been in the infirmary, then they would have been in jail.

What made you want to go to Russia? Because that was kind of like Like, why? You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't even know. First of all, did they even at the time have Black people in Russia?

Yes.

Did they really? Because they never put them on like the websites or anything.

They came to Russia, like, no, they came to Russia around 1909.

Black people did?

Yeah. You know, and they've been— I met Black Ukrainians, I met Black Russians. It was really amazing shit. Wow.

Yeah, because you probably wouldn't even think that would have happened, right?

No, until they start talking.

Yeah. Wow, dude, that's cool. That's one cool thing about traveling sometimes, bro. This is a true thing.

You might see somebody that looks like you, and their mother might be Black and then father might be white or something, African or something.

Well, you just realize that like, oh, there's so many people out there. Like when I was in my little town, I thought heaven was only going to be people in our town, right?

I tell you, let me tell you something about Russian people and Ukrainian people, right? Listen, no, yeah, listen, um, I'm up there, right? And so we got some call girls, supposedly call girls, right?

Some call girls?

Yes, supposedly call girls. They're escorts, they call them.

Yeah.

And listen, I'm saying to myself, I want to talk to my friend in, um, Yugoslavia. She talks Yugoslavian. She calls him that. I want to talk to a friend that's staying in China. She talks to the— she— they— the common call girl would speak around 7 languages. Yeah. A call girl in America can't even speak English. Yeah. Can't speak her home language. These motherfuckers call girls speak 7 languages. I'm trying to think, how can I get this girl from here to America? She's gonna be a Fortune 500 I'm telling you, she speaks 8 languages and stuff, been to the best schools, and she's a call girl?

Dang.

I'm like, whoa.

And women here, they barely will even learn even 1 language or even 1.5 languages.

They're not even gonna learn how to cook.

Yeah, right.

Black women don't know how to cook.

Dude, some women can barely use even emojis.

I don't know how to use it either.

Yeah, but still, you shouldn't have to, dude. You're Mike Tyson, man.

No, I'm not saying women here have it made. They have—

Women here have it made.

The other country, you can't have a, you can't have a say of nothing.

Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess I don't realize how bad, like, women have it pretty bad in some places.

In Japan, you see mostly women, if they're in prison in Japan, because they killed their husband.

Nuh-uh.

Majority of them, yeah, they just can't stand the abuse anymore.

Oh damn.

Japan, can you imagine? Mm-mm.

Because they're so peaceful a lot of times. We had a Japanese substitute teacher, and he didn't even say anything to us 'cause he didn't want to bother us. That's how nice he was. We didn't learn anything.

That's how scared he was.

Yeah, that's how scared he was. Well, we didn't learn anything for 4 days because he didn't even want to bother us. You fought in Japan against, was it, who was it?

I had 2 fights in Japan. Japan, Douglas and someone else, Tony Tubbs.

Buster Douglas, that's when you won the championship?

I lost the championship.

Oh damn, sorry.

Nobody's sorry, I'm happy. I got $40 million.

You got $40 million?

$35, yeah. Wow, same shit though.

Yeah, same, bro.

I rounded even.

Yeah, dude, that's so wild, bro. But, but before that fight, you weren't— did you Were you training as hard or were you just like living the life?

I was living the life, but he fought a great fight.

Yeah.

I think that way. He fought a great fight.

Dude, I remember we were like, I was living in Charleston, South Carolina at the time and somebody had bought the fight with like a projector and they projected it on the side of like a building and everybody came downtown and watched it, dude. It was awesome, bro. It was a good time, man. It was like when you fought, it was like, it brought everybody. It was like watching The Challenger blow up. Everybody showed up, you know?

The Challenger did blow up.

Remember that?

Everybody watched the whole television that whole day, watched it over and over again. That's like those guys that went in the water with those submarines and it combusts inside. Boosh!

Yeah.

He took his son down. His son down there.

But they went down there in a fucking McNugget. You know that shit's gonna happen, dude. Bro, it said Cutlass on the side of it. It was a Delta 88. I'm like, you got in that bitch? They just like— I don't wanna— I shouldn't say that. They're good people.

They got come, they got smashed. They couldn't— they didn't even feel it. They didn't feel it.

That's tight, boy.

Didn't feel it.

Because I hate even getting in a small shirt. You ever put a small shirt on and you can't even get out of it?

Oh, I like being a small— I'm—

if you're Mike Tyson, yeah, dude. I went to Hulk's funeral, man.

Did you really? Yeah. Tell me about that.

It was pretty special, man. Like Well, it was a lot of things. It was like—

Where was it at?

Right outside of Tampa. Right outside of Tampa. And, well, one thing that was interesting, Jim McMahon was there, but nobody knew he was there. And then at one point he came out like—

Vince McMahon.

Yeah. You ever met Jim McMahon?

That's his father.

No, Jim McMahon was a quarterback for the Chicago Bears. Remember him?

Oh, he's badass.

Yeah, he was.

Funny glasses.

Yeah, he had that mullet too. He showed me his frickin' butthole one time in Palm Springs at a casino for no reason.

No, it was a reason. It was a reason. He figured you out. He figured you out. That's like a quarterback. He's a great quarterback. Great perception. Quarterback perception. Ooh. Ooh.

But look at this receiver. Right, that's crazy, dude. But anyway, you're right.

Eat that whole loaf. Tell me about him showing you that butthole. Tell me about that. How did that appear? What caused it?

Well, nobody was expecting it. It was just like a regular night and—

Have you ever hung out with him before?

I'd never met him before. And he was drinking beers and he kept— he was saving all the cans, I think, because he was like, He's like a, um, what's it called when you care about the nature, when you're like a, um, asshole. Asshole, Mike said.

He was saying— Don't be saying this, that he could have a lawsuit. You saw his asshole.

I saw it. It was dark.

I mean, but Jim McMahon, you're welcome to come on and have a lawsuit. This man saw your asshole.

What, dude?

Why are you You said you saw the asshole. He may think differently. Well, look, he may say that was a cheek, that wasn't an asshole.

Mike is working in— now you working for an attorney's office. I know you is, huh?

Was it a cheek or an asshole?

I don't know, man. Damn, you tricked me. I just said I don't know. Well, I knew it was a little while ago. You're right, I'm not I'm not sure. It was shadowy out, but I do remember we were by the pool and it was nighttime. But anyway.

Yeah, so I'm opening up some cheeks, right? Spread his cheeks.

Right, but everything in my just like mind, I guess, thought there was an asshole there.

What did he say? Come get it, guys?

No.

Come on, guys.

No, he wasn't saying anything like that. He was telling a joke about his ex-girlfriend or something. And then he said, And then he said the punchline, I don't remember it. And then he just kind of showed his butthole at the end.

The running back, he said, "Come run up in there." Who's the running back for the show?

Who was the running back at the time? It wasn't Peyton, was it? No. Sayers? No, Sayers was earlier.

He's too old.

Walter Payton. Was it?

No, was it really?

In '85 Bears, was Peyton?

Might have been him, Big Payton. Walter, come on.

Come on, Walter. Get over here, Walter. I didn't mean to see it. But yeah, anyway, let's move on. But here's what I'm gonna say is, so Vince McMahon comes out there. Nobody knew he was at the funeral. And it was wild because they had guys like—

had beef too, haven't they?

Yeah, well, I think over the years they'd had a lot of issues, right? But a lot of my favorite wrestlers were there and they were kind of broken down, you know, somewhere in wheelchairs and some were like, um, some were— some people had urns of other like of guys who had passed on. They had their ashes, just they brought them. But Vince McMahon got up and he did like, he played Hulk's music and he did all like a lot of his like things, you know? And then he made like a speech and then he disappeared. But it was everything. It was like, you know, he was so much of my childhood. He was like one of the first person that I ever saw, like in our neighborhood, like a lot of people didn't have anything, but when wrestling came on, it felt like, like you had something. I don't know why, right?

It's like a soap opera for kids.

Yeah.

You know, we know the story. They double-teamed them, they cut them up, they put them to sleep, they jumped through them over the rope.

Fucking yeah. Yeah, all of that. But anyway, so that was like our hero.

It was like a soap opera. We knew it was a storyline.

But we as kids, we thought it— I think you believe it's so real.

100%.

It was so good. So that was like one of our heroes. So to go was just, yeah, I don't know, it was pretty special. And his son, like, gave a speech. It was nice, man. It was just— but it didn't feel like he passed away because he's so much larger than that.

Have you ever talked to Hulk on the show?

Yep. And I'll tell you this, when I met you downstairs and I got to shake your hand, I was like, that's the strongest person I'd ever, like— could we give us, like, a mini hug? I said, that's— I walked out and said, that's the strongest person I've ever given a mini hug to. The second strongest was Hulk Hogan.

Really?

Yep.

Hulk was massive, man. He was a big star. He's just such a big star. You could never imagine how big he was.

Who was like a hero to you like that, like in the—

um, Bruno Sammartino.

Bruno Sammartino?

That's my hero, my guy. Wow. He could beat every champion for 12 years. Yeah, he could beat everybody. He was champion. Listen, I was 7 until I was like, what, 7 til like 20 almost. Yeah, champion.

He was a legend, man. Yeah, I got to interview one of the Von Erichs one time, Kevin Von Erich. I don't know if you remember.

They died before.

Yeah.

Oh, I'm gonna— listen, man, I'm a historian. Don't play with me now. Yeah, yeah, ask me some questions. I'm a historian.

Um, I have read actually that you like studied a lot of like, uh, like you really enjoy like philosophy, like, uh, Tolstoy. Alexander the Great. Who were some like famous warriors that you admire the most kind of in history?

Oh, all of them. Achilles, Alexander, Hannibal. There was just El Cid. There was just so many different concepts. You say, why do you want to do this? Because no, I— some of them want to be God. They believe if I control all this world, if I control the world, I'm a god. And they said at the end of the day, they realized they were nothing. You know?

But can you even relate to that? Like, did you ever have a time in your life where you're— because our ego is one of the scariest things, right?

Um, you can only play with the thought of it. It's not sincere, not real.

Yeah.

Only way you're a god is if you live forever, if you're immortal, you know. But we have demigods now. Now we have authors that turn people into gods.

You know, like, what do you mean by that?

Um, some people would never be forgotten. Napoleon, all these guys. To know your history, you have to know these people. They're part of history. We can't know our history if we don't know these people. That's what makes them godly.

Oh, only if we know them.

You'll never get to know them unless you read about them. They're only in special places that know their identity.

Did you, like, what was one of the toughest times you ever had with your own ego? Because, like, ego is just so scary, right?

I don't know, my ego is so personal, you know. I don't know how to even consider. I just want to do better than before. I don't think I have, you know, I do think I'm Alexander the Great sometimes. I think I am.

And what are you talking about? Like you do, like you dressing up in the bedroom? What you doing, a little role-playing? Put on that ATG hat, it says ATG on it?

No, it's just that the way I conduct myself. He was a Cancer too, my Alexander, and what his downfall was, was he's moody. I learned that not to let my moods control my feelings. He was really moody. That was his downfall.

What helped you, like, have discipline? Like, say something like that you noticed about yourself. What helped you create, like, some little disciplines like that?

The best way to receive discipline is to do what you hate to do, but to do it like you love it. You do that, that's discipline.

And is that something you really practice?

That's all I practiced my whole life, even now.

Did you always love fighting or did you hate fighting or—

No, I loved it. I loved the concept of fighting. I loved the fighters. I wanted the greatest fighters in the world to know my name. I would, you know, I would be on my knee, kiss their hands, kiss their feet. I loved them. I worshiped them. I believe if they touch me, they have released some magic on me. So I always wanted to be around them. I carried their bags for them. I gave them money when I became a big-time fighter. I always gave them money because they normally broken down and have no money. You know, most of them have dementia, so I always gave them money to care of them.

Gave it and took it away if they got that dementia, you feel me? They run it right back, right?

But, um, I just thought that—

But paying homage, you're saying?

Yeah, I had to pay homage. Problems, because if I didn't even see these guys, I wouldn't want to be who I am today. These guys inspired me to be a fighter. I didn't want to be nothing else, even though I saw that they turned out— I normally would turn out like these guys, nothing, begging. I still wanted to be a fighter. I didn't care. I wanted to be with that kind of— I wanted to be in that fraternity.

Dude, that's so interesting to hear. Yeah, I never think about that. It's like, yeah, like, I didn't just— we didn't just come up with the idea of ourselves all by ourselves. Like there was so much influence and people that did something before us that like led us no matter what our job is or what our thing is that we like to do in life. That's interesting, man. I forget about that sometimes. Like, yes, sometimes I get— I don't get stuck there much, but sometimes I'll be like, oh, like, yeah, I made me.

Adele, do you ever think about who you are, how you really got here, what you really consist of? Is there something more than you? Are we going to see each other again at another time? Are we living in parallel lives? Is this right here going on somewhere else in life? We have so much energy we don't even know about ourselves. We know everything else, but we know nothing about us.

Oh yeah, dude. I didn't like— most of my life I wasn't even me. I was just like some survival mechanism that had started off. Does that make any sense to you?

100%. That's the first thing that happens. Self-preservation starts first. And then once we get situated, then we try to figure everything else out.

Yeah. Yeah, man, it took forever. Like, it took me probably 30 years just to exhale, you know?

I understand. I understand, brother. I understand.

And then it's scary because there's times I thought, man, like, I don't even know if I wanted to be like a funny guy. I might have wanted to be somebody that worked at like a clothing, like a haberdasher or whatever, or like a a singer, but that was the first thing that I could get people to like.

You get attention.

Yeah, I see you. And so I couldn't, like, I was just, I didn't have another choice. That formed everything I was, you know.

I wanted to be seen so much. I was a little baby and my mother and a friend, everybody was having fun drinking. I put my finger in drain oil and put it in my mouth and I wanted them, and I started screaming. Everybody grabbed me and took me to the hospital, but I wanted that attention. At such a young age.

Yeah.

Oh, I love going to the hospital, dude, because they had good food back then too.

And they give you attention, bro. Yeah, dude, they had a couple ladies would come in and care about you. Even a gay dude, they slip in there every now and then. But still, bro, that Jim McMahon.

Love is love out here. Hey, bro, love is love.

I got a question, Mike. Uh, did, did anybody ever 'Cause I just got back from Lexington, right? Lexington, Kentucky, and they have the Derby race there, and it's a beautiful place. We just shot a special for Netflix, actually, that's coming out in like about 2 months, so I'm excited about that. But did anybody ever approach you to buy your semen? And I mean that honestly. And I don't mean that in like a negative word.

No, I mean, I gave it away free. Why did they wanna buy it?

Bro, dude, we're giving our busted-ass semen away out here, you over there, dang, bruh.

I'm free. What? I had no idea they were selling, they were buying. Dude, I'd be a billionaire right now.

You can still, bro, long as you can still warm up a batch, bro. You can sell it at the merch stand over here.

If I was single, I would.

Oh, look, that's true. He might have an issue with it, man. Yeah, God, bro, I could get rid of a couple ounces for you out back at his joint today, man.

I'm happy the way my life is now.

Yeah. What's, what's a few things before we go, Mike? What's a few things that make you, uh, that bring you some of the most joy that you have today? And that can be something small, it could be anything.

Just my children don't have to live the life that I lived. That's the only thing. That's all I care about.

Is it?

That's all I care about.

Yeah, is that something—

And this might even make them strong, but I won't take the risk. It might kill them too.

Wait, say that one more time for me.

I say it might even make them strong, but it might kill them too.

Oh, to have to go through the same stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't want to take the chance. I like the way they living now.

Yeah. Well, you did it.

Yeah, man, with a lot of help. A lot of help.

A lot of help. Yeah. Yeah, we don't do it alone.

Excuse me? No, no way. No way. You realize real quick when you have children, you need help.

Yeah.

You need a lot of help.

Thank you so much for joining us today, Mike. I want to say thank you. Thank you, everybody. You have a, uh, one— you have a one-man show that's going to be try— that's a live show that your wife wrote, is that right?

Yes, she did.

Wow. And did she have to get you to sign off? Did y'all do some teamwork, or what was it?

Sign off for what matter? That this is her work and I don't get any money for it? What do you mean sign off?

I mean, did she just like say, or was it like, did you guys like— how do you put that together? Because it's interesting that she would write it. Is it just about Just talk. Just talk.

Just talk about dark shit, you know, and it works out well.

Yeah.

Um, you'll love it when you hear the Midget story.

You got a good one in it? Oh, and it's in the show?

Oh yeah.

Save some of it. Yeah, I'm gonna— you know what, I'll come out to one.

You gotta check this out, man.

I'll come out. I'll even come on stage and just listen to it. I'll put on something little for you. Not for you, for just— I'll just wear it.

Tell me about Lulu, how Lulu works, how that works.

I put on a small—

Thong? You gonna wear thong?

No, no, bro. I'm just saying a small shirt. But you have that one-man show that's going to be— and that's going to be a tour.

We'll see.

Okay.

We see how much they pay me for it, and we'll see.

And you have, uh, and you have your, um, documentary that's coming out on Netflix.

Yes, I do.

You do. If—

You guys know every fucking thing about me. I know it. What the fuck?

I don't know. We learned a lot tonight, dude. If Cus D'Amato could see you now and see your whole life, right? If he could see your whole life, you know, and just get to spend some time with you today, do you think, like, what would be something that you would like to— like a moment you would like to see with him or, or have him say, what do you think would be something that he'd be impressed by?

I would say, Cus, everybody in the world says I'm the best ever. What do you think? What do we think, guys?

But know what he would say?

You know what Cus would say?

What would he say, Mike?

You didn't move your head enough. If that guy was a little faster, he would have hit you. If that guy was a little faster, he would have hit you. Knock a guy out in 8 seconds. If he was a little faster, he would have hit you. Had your head up.

Man, thank you so much for sharing your time with us today, for bringing your family here today, just for the opportunity that we get to see you.

They all love you. I don't know who the fuck you are, but my family loves you. My kids love I'm like, who the fuck is this Mike Tyson?

You know the truth, dude? I don't know who the fuck I am either, bro.

I wish I did too.

But hey, but I love you, man.

Thank you so kindly, bro.

And that's the truth. And thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Tyson.

Floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be Cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a little—