Transcript of Vittoria's Secret: Wednesday, October 16th, 2024

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to The Chose, and happy Wednesday. Oh, yeah. Oh, I knew I was feeling like a little...

A little humpy in your dumpy.

Let's get it on.

No, I'm feeling more appreciative for the Wednesday because, alas, it feels like a Tuesday.

So true.

It is a Wednesday, and we're getting over the hum.

And what's so great for everyone listening is that we have such a long episode today because actually a lot to discuss. We have Deer Toaster. So by the time you're done with this episode, the day literally will be over.

The week will be more than halfway over.

And that's amazing.

Yeah. Are you someone who looks at the week half full or half empty?

It really depends on what I'm going through that week. If I'm feeling grateful for life, and there are some weeks where I just like, I'm happy. Yeah, I have a lot to do, and the weeks are long, but I'm alive, and I'm knock wood, healthy. But then there are some weeks where I hate everyone, everything, and just myself.

And this week, did you say?

I wouldn't say I'm feeling so- Did you make your stance clear? No, I wouldn't say I'm feeling so grateful and blessed this week. It's not one of those week, but I'm not feeling depressed.

Murderous.

Yeah.

So it's really- murderous, turdous.

It's somewhere in the middle.

Okay, that's great.

What about you?

That's great. As in this week or weeks in general?

Oh my God. This week.

This week is great because it's a short week. We cannot feel anything Other than blessed for the short week and the big weekend coming up. And I'm so glad my Travis made it to the big game. One step closer to Kelsey B in Last Name. Can you send me that audio file? How do I find that song?

Somewhere on the web, the full version actually does exist.

And by the way, what's it called?

Fortnite AI's version. Oh.

It's Is that the same tune as Fortnite?

No, but when she released the tracklist... Oh, wait, no. I'm sorry. No, no. That's something else. I'm getting my AI versions confused. When she released the tracklist, a leaked Fortnite came out, and it was AI.

Got it. Okay. I'll do some due diligence.

I don't know the actual origin stories. I just know. And I don't know who exactly. We did a full exposé on this person. I don't know who generated the AI song. I don't know that deep. I just know somebody made it online.

I don't know who did it, but do more.

But I know the boys who did it.

Even though Taylor literally hates AI and music, she was just saying that. Oh, wait. And I feel like she was literally talking about that song.

Did you see Cynthia Reevo's Instagram story about AI today?

Not about AI. Oh, yeah. Because people were doctoring the Wicked Poster.

So they released their official Wicked Poster, which is a recreation of the iconic one, where it's like Glinda whispering into the ear of Alphaba, and Alphaba's hat is a little turned down. It's like, iconic.

Turned down for what?

And they recreated it. And I'm not going to lie, I'm really excited for the movie. And I thought it stuck. It looked like, seriously, it looked wrong. They put their own spin on it, so it wasn't the exact hand placement of the Ogie. I don't know. It just looked weird. And so people fixed it. They made it how they wanted it to be on AI. And then, of course, they made memes because in the poster, it looks like Alphaba. I mean, Glinda is whispering a secret to Glinda. And so the meme that's going- To Alphaba. I'm sorry. Glinda's whispering Whispering a secret to Alphaba. The meme that's going around is Ariana Grande whispering to Alphaba, Is your pussy green? Cynthia Arrivo made a post about all the AI-generated ones. Then she said, Is her, green, basically saying, Stop. She found them really offensive. She made an intentional choice not to look. Because in the poster, she's looking at us.

She's looking camp right in the eye in the poster.

And in the O. G, she's looking down. Okay. They made a few, and Ariana's hand is a little different. They made a few choices to make it their own, and people hate it. They really hate it. Okay. Cynthia Arriva was like, Stop using AI and deepbakes. It's so disrespectful.

Everyone, including Cynthia, needs to calm down on this. First of all, people who are mad that she's looking camp right in the eye and that Ari's hand is not like the original poster, calm down. Hands move, eyes look in different places. People change. Not a big deal. You don't need to go and change the poster. Now, that is not a funny I feel like I'm in a classroom, a teacher in second grade. That is not funny to write that on that picture.

I think it is funny. Sorry.

But that's what the internet does. What's crazy to me, I didn't see any of this except for Cynthia Arevo's post.

Instagram.

Telling everyone to stop. I think it's so crazy that Cynthia Arevo posted about this.

Yeah, I think that this is maybe her first time being involved in a project that is so global and so mainstream. For Ariana Grande, everything she does becomes It becomes an internet meme. It becomes huge news. I think up until now, Cynthia Reevo really hasn't been in something that has captured the culture so widely. It could be a lot when people are making deep fake images of you. It's jarring, of course.

I have to see these deep fake images.

I'll send them to you. I mean, some of them are just harmless, but she still really doesn't like anyone changing her eyes or her intentional choices, with the hat and the eyes. She's upset at. She doesn't want it. Okay. I want to do it. Yeah. I was shocked to see her addressing Twitter.

I won't do it.

Yeah, Jackie, if you could stop making deep fake AIs of Cynthia Reevo, I would appreciate it. And I know Ariana would, too.

I'll try my best, but I can't stop making deep fake AIs of tailored songs.

I know you can.

And I won't.

We have an amazing show today. Let me tell you why. One, we're together...

Period.

It's Wednesday.

It's a classic slice.

To your toaster, we have some We have various submissions today. Dear Toaster is our weekly advice segment. So every Wednesday, Jackie and I will take three submissions. You can write to us via email, deartoosters@gmail. Com, or you can head over to our website, thetoastpodcast. Com/tour. Not me like happy tickets.

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You could go there, too.

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The toaspodcast. Com, there's a submission box. They're both totally anonymous. You can write in about anything, and we try to help the girlies out. And today's submissions are really unique. So I'm excited to get into that. I think the stories are really good.

The stories are good. The big story of the day is Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, which I- I have so much to say. Claudia, I have so much to say. I watched the whole thing, did you?

Of course.

I watched it live. I felt really accomplished that I watched the whole thing.

I just want to say, shout out, because I have critiques. I have legitimate critiques. I have illegitimate critiques. But I want to say my number one credit, thank you to whoever decided to make the program 30 minutes long. I was done with it, and I was eating dinner. I'm like, Okay, I'm ready for bed. It was 7:45.

I was getting bored, but I was like, Let me see how much more I have left because if it's so much, forget it. And it was 15 minutes. I was like, Pargie, I'll watch till the end. And I'm glad I did for today's recap, but I was also able to read my book afterwards. I finished my book last night, Long Island Compromised. Go me.

And?

It's good. It's not for everyone. It's definitely very chewy, but I liked some of the overall themes. And the way that it ended, it wasn't about the ending for me. I feel like she didn't know how to end it, but it wasn't like I was waiting, how is it going to end? I just I don't know. It was one of those just like... It was a weird book, but I'm glad that I read it because it's something. It's my 14th book of the year. Womp, Womp, Womp.

By the way, you're ahead of me. I literally have read three books this year. It's insane.

Did anyone in your book club finish Long Island Compromised?

I don't think so.

Not even the person who chose it? Who chose it?

Abe.

I could see him choosing it.

Wait, I also did want to say the Tell Me Lies season finale dropped today/last night or whatever. I've heard it's I'm going to watch it today. We'll do official recap tomorrow. Okay, I'm so excited. People are saying it is shookworthy.

Even though it's my favorite show, I'm relieved that it's a season finale because- It gives me anxiety. No, and it's so perfect. I'm like, Okay, one more episode. It's going It should remain perfect. They're not dragging it out. Yeah, it's so true. Oh, wow. It's ending like this was a perfect season. And so I'm really excited. And there are so many theories that people commented on our episode from last week that I think are true, and I do hope they come to fruition today, even though I don't think that they would. I think it's a long-term play.

We'll get into all of it tomorrow. I just want to say that is something I'm currently looking forward to.

Me as well. And then I'm going to start another book. How about Dat?

Oh, wow. Okay, Librarian. How about Dat?

For another book club I'm in. It's a first meeting. It's the inaugural.

What is it? You and your neighbors?

Not neighbors. Not next door neighbors. But I guess community.

Yeah, you and your community.

No, but it's not my community. It's It's extended.

I understand. It's extended. What else do we need to talk about before we talk about what I'm dying to talk about, which is the Victoria's Secret Fashion? I actually took notes like a nerd.

I was going to write down my thoughts, but I felt so strong. I was like, Girl, trust yourself. You can remember because trust yourself. Because they're just at the top of my brain. I think I can remember them.

Just really briefly, and I don't want to get into it so deeply because personally, I need to protect myself. But I just wanted to update everyone from yesterday. I did go to the DMV, and I did do what I needed to do. It was a worse experience than I could have possibly imagined. And the man who ended up helping me after being turned away by so many people and being yelled at by so many people and not being helped by so many people, Anthony ended up coming to my rescue, and he did give me a good tip that I do want to share with people. He was like, Never come into the DMV on a Monday or Friday. And because Monday was Indigenous/Columbus Day, he was like, Today's basically a Monday, and I've never seen it this busy, and you're dumb for coming today. He said, If you came tomorrow, aka right now, empty. Okay. That's my tip. Don't go after a federal holiday, and don't go on a Monday or Friday. And also, don't go looking normal. This was my major takeaway from the DMV because I felt so taken advantage of, and I'm so polite.

Not that I'm naturally saying I'm polite, but when you're at the DMV or somewhere like that, your kindness will get you places.

You catch your flies with honey at the DMV.

That's That's not true. I was so nice and normal and sound of mind, and I didn't have headphones in. I was too approachable. First of all, I got walked all over. Second of all, my fellow DMV customers, everybody was asking me things. I fucking work there. Don't talk to me. It was just so unpleasant. I was like... And there was something like, you know the DMV, it's full of characters. And it's New York, too. It was like Penn Station. It was real eclectic punch. Nobody was talking to the crazy-looking people. I needed to seriously start barking at people because I was far too sane and sound of mind. I looked capable. I'm on my phone. I'm a young person. I obviously know how to use technology, the TV with the numbers. I was far too sane for this place.

Everyone wanted a piece of me. Because you weren't insane. They weren't trying to get rid of you. It's so true. Maybe you started talking to yourself a little bit.

I had to take a picture, which I wasn't going to be told that I needed to. So they called me up first to do the picture, and then you have to wait in another line for the actual ID. And he gave me no warning, no nothing. And I think I looked... I was just like...

That's the thing about the DMV. You don't get ready. You have to stay ready.

I know. And I wasn't because I was already feeling so flustered by the experience.

What smile did you go with?

I went with my cheesy smile. But I have this new thing. You hit him with the teeth? Of course, where I smile so hard. So every time I smile, it's like, right as I'm smiling, I need to remember, chill. Dial it down. Yeah. And so I unclench a little bit. I actually think I did a good smile. And then Anthony. I was like, Can you show me the picture? And he was like, I'm not allowed, but you look great. You have a beautiful smile. Slay.

Okay, Anthony.

You can call me Mrs. Dmv.

Mrs. Anthony.

It was really horrible. And just knowing that I left there and I was like, I will not pay my next tax bill. It was so disheartening to know that this is my fault. As a taxpayer, what am I doing? I'm not doing it anymore. I was so mad. Oh, my God. I had It took me... I got home and took a bath. I had to actually unwind from the experience. It was so upsetting.

If I may lead us out in song.

An AI generated one.

I'm so glad my Auntie made it to the DMV. One step closer to getting my Rael ID.

I love that. Let me just say this. What's the lesson, right? What's the lesson?

What is the takeaway, Doma's attorney, when she's on a breakaway and the tapestry here in turd skin? I love that. Is a map of the victory she wins. Look what she does, I make everything happen. Looking at me, me, me, me, Mario.

What can I say? What's the lesson, right?

What is the takeaway?

My takeaway is this, because I was left with such a profound impact, mostly negative, overwhelmingly negative. But Anthony, really, once I got up- You always find a guy. I know. I know. I'm such a flirt.

First there was Anthony, then there was Mark, then there was Frank, then there was Tom.

When I got up to his desk, I immediately knew he had- You were like that Taylor song.

Listen. Anthony Martin.

Listen, he had a warm spirit to him, and I could tell that this was going to be a pleasant experience, and he got me in and out as quickly as he could. I just think that real grace and kindness, it goes a truly long way.

Even though you just said the opposite.

I know. I mean from a DMV employee, nobody else.

Oh, yeah, for sure. You're probably working in the wrong place if you've got a positive can-do attitude.

Yeah, because then the other person who... They skipped my number. I really don't want to get into it.

We're not getting into it because that's the only thing I could prolong your experience.

Make it worse. I know.

We just had to leave it in the past.

Okay, but I just want to say they skipped my number. I went over to the help desk. I'm like, Oh, hello. They skipped my number. I'm 103. They went from 101 to 104. I'm like, Me and number two. We got screwed. She was so mean, and her solve was to tell me to get She pointed to one of the lines, the longest line. I'm like, So you skipped my number, and I have to wait in this line? Okay, you know what? I'm getting angry again.

I don't want to talk about it. Because we all have to go to the DMV at a time in our lives. So no need to spend more time at the DMV in our minds.

Agreed. It's a slippery stuff. Once you start talking about it, you have to then go into the whole experience. And my coxedinia was really, really flaring up.

The seats were so uncomfortable. It wasn't an accessible environment?

No. And so when they called my number, I couldn't even get up. It took me 35 seconds. My ass was killing me. That's tough. Now I'm done. I'm done.

Okay, we're moving on.

Let's start. Let's go.

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Our first story, Victoria's Secret Fashion Show is back after a six-year hiatus. Victoria's Secret Fashion Show returned this year. The show went down in New York City last night, and the girlies were on display.

I have so much to say about the show, the set, the music, the outfits, everything, and I want to get into that. Now, I know everyone's so tired of hearing me talk about this, but I could not enjoy the show. I was watching, and I actually was enjoying with... I was thinking what I'm going to say on the toast the next day. I will get into all of that, but I I would be absolutely remiss if I didn't acknowledge the fucking slap in the face when I saw Bella Hadid closing that show. Gigi Hadid is like, I don't know why I give her a pass. I can ignore her blatant anti-semitism.

They post different stuff.

But she posts really bad stuff. But when you compare it to her sister, it's like Gigi is Jewish compared to Bella. It's insane. Bella is so atrocious to me. I find her so personally offensive, and I'm not even easily offended. Just to see her to have this moment, it was such a slap in the face when it's been so clear that in the last year, so many brands have distanced themselves from Bella Hadid. She used to be the face, You go to an airport, she'd be all over duty free. That's not the case anymore. Nobody really wants to be associated with that type of hatred.

She's so controversial. It's such a stark choice to have her in the show to have her close the show. It was a choice. And that Gigi opened it and she closed it. It's like, Fuck you, Jews.

No, I was so upset. I was so shocked to see her there. They didn't announce that she was going to be there. And I don't know. It was deeply offensive to me. I couldn't get over it. And it ruined the whole experience for me because I was enjoying it up until that point. And I think there's room in everything for different people with different opinions on stuff. Bella Hadid is so different to me. She has said the most vile things, on par with the worst things than actual terrorists, the hostages, Yeah.

Don't forget, she was excited that the hostage said that Hamas had baked him a cake for his birthday, only to taunt him with it. But she said, Look, he baked him a cake.

She is pro-hostage-taking when literally, her Schoelberg's mom has just said exactly what her son went through after being hostage for 10 months and being shot right in the fucking head. She told us that they were kept in tunnels underground with no oxygen, no water, no food, no bathroom. They were emaciated by the time that they were killed, malnourished, starved, and tortured. And this is something Bella Hadid champions. I'm I'm sorry, I can't talk about the show without talking about how upset that made me. It was such a choice, and it was so intentional. And not only to put her in there, but make it a big thing at the end, the final walk before Tyra.

When there were so many icons in the show, when I saw her at the end, I was like, Oh, why is she only walking once? Did I miss her earlier? Then I realized it was like, she was closing it. But it's like, there's Adriana Lima, there's Candice Swample, there's all these angels throughout the years.

Who built that brand.

So many icons they could have picked. It was such a choice and a A random one at that because it's not even- She's not associated with- She's not an iconic, Victoria's Secret person.

Actually, one of my critiques was that there was too much talent and that we didn't get to see our girls. They were on screen. I mean, justice for Jasmine Touks, who literally got cut out of the show. My biggest critique- And she's everyone's favorite.

My biggest critique is the camera work because it was so terrible. They were missing all the big moments. They were capturing someone as they're turning around. We missed their strike and pose. Even when they see the strike and pose, it wasn't punched in enough. It was shit. I feel like I sound like of those people that complaints about the plot line in a porno. But the camera work at the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show was atrocious.

So they didn't need her. And so it really was a choice. I'm going to talk about the show, and I have really positive things to say overall. But to me, that was such a miss and such a slap in the face. And of course, now her fans are mad at her because Victoria's Secret is a brand that operates and has factories in Israel. So it's like, she's also a fraud.

One of their biggest manufacturers is an Israeli company. They actually opened two... Honestly, Victoria's Secret. They opened two stores in Israel this year, during the war.

Slay the house down boots, supporting the Israeli economy.

So she's also a fraud. Yeah, I think that speaks to Bella not even knowing what she stands for. And also the fact that Victoria's Secret corporate is very different than Victoria's secret marketing entertainment division of, let's do this show and throw all these different things at it.

So I just wanted to say that. Sorry to get all serious, but it had to be said because it really... I was shocked. It hit me right to my core, and I was like, Oh, it's ruined. So there's that. I'm sorry. This is a person who has literally admitted openly on a podcast that she's not allowed in the homes of her Jewish friends anymore. Would she say that as a slay? I don't know.

I think she wanted us to feel bad for her because of how brave she is.

I'm not just saying that if you don't agree with me, you can't be in the Victoria's Secret. It's so stupid.

I'm pretty sure everyone is.

Diversity... By the way, they had an Israeli model. Diversity of opinion is really... I embrace it, sure. What Bella Hadid does is so and so different. Supporting terror, I don't embrace it. No, I'm not. I'm seriously, it's not just me, I don't agree with it. I don't want... No, seriously, she's such a dangerous person, and I was personally offended. But I want to move on because I actually have other notes, and for the most part, I enjoyed. It did bring back this sense of nostalgia. Now, when it comes to actual production, I have a lot of critiques, but I just want to say, overall, I actually really enjoyed it. It was fun. It was back like it used to be. I thought captured the nostalgia of it all.

Overall, I was excited to watch it because I was sitting there waiting to see what would wash over me, what feeling, we're back or this or that. And I felt mostly confused. I'm like, What are we doing here? Aside from the fact that it's called the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, there was nothing Victoria's secret about it in terms of, What are you selling? There used to be the pink segment, the lingerie segment. I thought that the costumes were pretty ugly. There were some better ones, but overall, there was some really ugly stuff, some really ugly wings. It wasn't gargy pargy.

No, the wings were not winging.

Some of the people who were wearing, like, leggings outfits were so ugly-looking. But the outfits were... Like Adriana Lima's outfit, not a cute outfit. It doesn't make me want to shop at Victoria's Secret.

When you want to talk about Tyra Banks' outfit, we will talk about- Tyra Banks' outfit was so- She deserved better than that.

Not Pargy?

She was wearing black leggings.

Right.

To the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.

There was a lot of really bad fashion. And so it just made me wonder, are we trying to sell clothes here? We're not doing a good job. This is for Victoria's Secret. What are you guys up to these days? No one was even... In the past, there used to be packages, which was actually my least favorite part, but they told a story, right?

Explain.

They just had tired narrating at the top, this show, all women. So I guess that means only women work behind the scenes. I think I'm just trying to piece together because they didn't really tell us anything. What about talk about... They kept saying, We're back. Where'd you go? What happened? It's been six years. What's everyone up to? It just did nothing. I thought that the runway was really ugly and terrible.

There wasn't a runway. It was so industrial. That's so not Victoria's Secret.

It was so industrial. That's so not Victoria's Secret. All the squares on the runway where people kept popping up. We don't need people to pop up. It's making your runway ugly.

And by the way, did you see Dutsun? Her foot got caught in that thing. Her shoe fell off. Yeah.

And it was just a very ugly stage. That people coming up out of the ground, we didn't need that, and it ruined the stage.

Yeah. The whole warehouse industrial vibe. It's a certain esthetic. It happens to be one of my least favorite esthetics, but that doesn't mean that it's bad. But it's so not Victoria's Secret. Victoria's Secret is plush, glamorous. I felt like, where was the actual... There was a physical runway, which I think was a huge miss.

Agreed. When the lights went down, everything was so matrixy, but it's not even like that was the theme of the show, like futuristic. There usually is a theme. I didn't think the themes were that good or well-articulated. There was red at the end. There was some midnights vibes.

My overall biggest issue with the show was the music selection.

What do you think of the performers?

I thought they were all I had choices, except, honestly, Tyler Slate. I liked that... Is that Lisa from Blackpink? Yeah. I like that. She literally looked like a model, Tyler, too. I was like, Oh, are you a model or a singer? But I think when you look back on the performers of your, nobody last night did anything on par with Rihanna, Bruno Mars, Jay-Z and Kanye, Taylor Swift and Fall Out Boy.

But they weren't having any men.

Okay, fine. But I don't care. I'm just saying I knew one song. Yeah.

I mean, honestly, Katie Perry should have performed.

One thousand %.

The music wasn't Pussy Pop, and I actually thought the performers were all good choices. But the songs as they were, and maybe my TV was on low, just not wake anyone up. But still, I don't feel like the girls were dancing around to the songs or having a lot of fun with the songs. Lisa's song Moonlight, just repeating that one line over Paris Moonlight, it was seriously irritating to me. Where are the other lines from Kiss Me, that song? You know it?

Yeah, you're talking about Kiss Me?

Yes. But she kept saying, What about green, green grass? All she kept saying was, Kiss me under the Paris Moon light on repeat 100 times. I was going to lose my mind.

I'm sorry. I actually don't think any of them were good choices. I don't think the songs were recognizable enough. No No one is going to like what I have to say when it comes to share. It did absolutely nothing for me, first of all.

But that was the first time the models were singing along.

Well, that's the other thing I wanted to say. I felt like they...

Because nobody knew the music. Right. So at least Cher had recognizable songs.

No, Cher's songs are great. But when it comes to Cher, and I was texting with Shannon the whole time we were talking about, and she had such a good call. She had me. Yeah, actually, I had a big Shannon day yesterday. We spoke on the phone for an hour. She was Cher is just, and I'm stealing it, but it's so true, Cher is just too accessible, right? She's this icon status, but she's literally popping up everywhere. It's not special anymore. To be honest, and of course, she's a woman of a certain age. She can only do so much. But she wasn't singing live. I think that that should be... That's the best part of the show when you think of in the past, the vocals. I don't know, it did not do much for me. And yes, I agree. I like that it's a song. Her songs are songs. And you have to think about the models. They're from all over the world. So just because a song is popular in America, and I feel like in the past, everybody knew everywhere to every song because they chose people with global hits. So that's the only thing Cher had.

But I think, seriously, I didn't like it.

I understood why they chose the people that they did. I think they were good choices, but then it just didn't translate. Oh, my God, Laney Wilson. That was Laney Wilson, right? No.

That wasn't Laney Wilson. I have no idea who that guitar player was, but it was not Laney Wilson. Are I'm 1,000 % positive. No, she was wearing Laney Wilson pants. She was just wearing bell bottoms. Laney Wilson doesn't own bell bottoms.

I'm cracking up. Why wouldn't that be Laney Wilson?

If it was Laney Wilson, why wouldn't she have 'sung'?

I thought she was singing I Love Rock and Roll.

No, she must be a famous guitarist. I have no idea who it is.

Claudia, I think it was Laney Wilson.

What's her name? Oriathy. Oriathy.

She's a guitar player. Okay, well, I really liked Laney Wilson segment because those were recognized songs. When the girls were singing, I Love Rock and Roll, and then they got the leather, black vibe for the runway. Okay, we're doing something. Thank you. There's energy. The show didn't have energy at times. And even when the girls were trying to do their thing, the camera was missing them. They had two girls.

The camera missed everything.

They had two girls walking down the runway parallel. You only really got to see one or the other. They had these cameras on the floor, trying to follow them. The camera work was a mess.

Sorry. The camera work was a mess. I agree. Far too many people on stage at once Nobody had their own moment. Even people that opened the show. I'm like, Wait, is that the opener? It really wasn't special. I think there was far too much talent. Also, the vibe was so... I know everyone's gagged over Kate Moss. What I think Kate Moss, I do not think Victoria's Secret. Victoria's Secret is so commercial. It's so not serious. I thought so many of the girls were doing such serious model walks and model faces when in history, but previously, everyone's been smiling. They put their hands in the air. They dance, they sing. It's been so fun, and it's been so not runway. This was just so serious fashiony. Kate Moss, we love, she's sick. She's not Victoria's Secret. It's like, they don't know who they are anymore, so they just hired everyone. Except for Kendall. And they did everything.

And Cara Lacoste. Let's talk about Kendall. And Cara Delevingne.

Let's talk about Kendall. I think, yeah.

But Kendall is the glaring. I'm sure we could have a whole list of people who used to do it who weren't there. Kendall was the one- Because I was thinking, Where's Miranda Kerr? Where's Miranda Kerr?

But I think she's at a place in her life where it's like she's evolved a little bit past it. I don't know if she looks back on that time positively. I think she had said stuff in the past, like an interview. It's just about personal things in her life. I don't know if she loves it. Kendall. I feel like, is Kendall the face of... She must have some contractual issue because I feel like maybe she's the face of La Perla.

Oh, maybe. Or Intimisimimi. Yeah, Intisimini.

Intisimini. So I feel like that's why she wasn't there. But it was a huge miss, honestly, because she only did it once.

It was a huge miss for them because she would have rounded it out and you wouldn't have been feeling as many gaps. But not for her. I don't know. The whole thing was just forgettable.

Yeah. Now that we're breaking it down, maybe I didn't like it, but I actually, I don't know. I enjoyed the experience of watching it.

It's a good... It was always a fun thing in the culture and fun that it's back, but it wasn't iconic in any way.

No, it wasn't iconic. I think they tried really hard to be iconic, but there was honestly too much going on.

And the photos from the evening are much more iconic than the actual show because we didn't get to see an iconic moments because the camera operator was drunk.

The camera operator was really not doing what needed to be done. And lastly... Wait, I just had a thought.

Oh, and you know who I was really taken by? And I didn't know who it was. And then when I found out who it was, I was like, Oh.

Barbara Palvin, my queen. I love her.

No, I knew who that was. Victoria Cerretti, Leo's girlfriend. Oh, my God.

Wait, I didn't realize she was there.

She was in the show twice. Both times I was like, Who is that? It's a new fresh face model. I was like, She's so gorgeous. And then I saw that that's Leo's girlfriend.

And I was like, Okay, I get it. Okay, but I need to see. And she's 26. So that's something. What's her name?

Victoria. No, hold the C.

Oh, Victoria. Yeah. Victoria's Secret.

Victoria's Secret.

Oh, here. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I love that.

Yeah. And she's 26, so it's frontal lobe.

Do you think it was weird between Irina Shayk and Gigi Hadid?

Yes. And let me tell you what I also thought was weird. First of all, Irina Shayk looked amazing. I know that Page 6 tries to make her seem like a desperate loser. No, she's cool. But she's the most gorgeous woman on the planet. Seriously, the most gorgeous woman up there. What was weird was in backstage interviews, Irina was saying how her daughter is going to watch probably tomorrow, but she'll watch the show. And then Gigi was asked something about Bradley. Where's Bradley? She said that he's on daddy duty.

He's on daddy duty. They're definitely watching it together.

No, it's weird. To have some girl down the row talking about your daughter.

About your daughter. It's weird. I completely agree.

It's so weird.

There's a couple of weird relationship types Things, People. Do you remember that Victoria's Secret Model, the Year Taylor Swift, performed, who said something nasty about Taylor in the Press and literally got fired? Yeah. Jessica something with the Gap tooth. I think she was there last night. I'm like, Oh, obviously went into the archives.

Interesting. Interesting, as they should go into the archives.

I also don't think it's weird that Carly Claes wasn't there. I think she's really evolved out of modeling, and specifically, lingerie modeling. She's married to someone who's connected to a president. She can't be out here in her underwear.

No, I agree. I do agree.

She's been to the White House, probably. Maybe?

Probably not with them.

No, but she's probably been to the White House in some capacity.

Yeah, but I feel like some of the other girls probably go to the White House, too.

Now, I want to say, why are there so many models with the last name Sampayo.

It's a great question. Do you agree? In my fantasy, they're all sisters.

But they're not. No, they're not. Valentina Sampaio was this new model last night. I'm like, Wait, is she related to Sara Sampaio?

No. That's Irina Shayk and Shanina Shayk? Yes.

Yeah, not related.

The thing is, I can just think that they're related. It makes no difference to the world, but in my mind, it's really nice.

I want to say it's really impressive to me that the sickening-looking ladies were all older. Adriana Lima, Candice Wampull. Candice. Candice was literally like, when you think of Victoria's Secret, you really do think of Candice, who got literally one minute. Where was the Million Dollar Bra, the fantasy bra? The fantasy bra. Where was she? She got No screen time. They looked like it was actually that inspired. Oh, I remember what I was going to say. What's so interesting about Victoria's Secret, and what I was really interested to see in what they're going to do, is the biggest critique and how they really have failed to enter this New Modern Times. It was like their unwillingness to give on really body diversity. They maintained for a while that it's a fantasy, and we're not going there. We're just not. And that was a huge critique. And I think part of the reason why the show didn't make it in Modern Times. And I was curious to see how they were going to do it. And I have said this in the past, and as somebody who was fat my whole life, inclusivity is great, but I always find When they do start being inclusive of other bodies, it's never in a way they're like, This is real.

It's always in a way that's unattractive, almost. It's like they've given up the fantasy thing because- Yeah, there's not the glamor anymore, and it's just real. Now everyone's included. We're not airbrushing anymore. Why? Yeah. I do want to say, to their credit, I think they did a really good job of having a wide range of bodies, mid-size and curvy, without forsaking that glamor.

I agree with that, and I thought it was really nice. We didn't even about the fact that Ashley Graham was there for the first time. I didn't realize it. Me neither. Until I was reading the recap that it was the first time and that that was a big deal. Then I also saw Daily Mail was writing how they did stuff that they hadn't done in the past in terms of keeping it real. One thing, I don't know if this was intentional. I don't want it to be real. There was a lot of tan lines. I think in the past, they would air brush. They would match the skin tone.

I did see someone's vagina line.

There was a lot of tan lines. I think that was them keeping it real.

Oh, please. Keep your tan lines. I don't care.

Yeah. Weird.

No, that to their credit, I think they were able to modernize a little bit without losing that... The whole point is that it's fantasy. You can be glam and stuff and have big legs. Who cares? I just feel like any time when I think of real campaigns with real women, it's always like, they're not taking out their pimples. Why? They're not wearing makeup. Why? We just have glam or two.

Yeah. I think on that front, it was achieved. But in terms of why are we here? What are we doing? That question was not answered. And it didn't make me I want to go shop at Victoria's Secret because I thought that the costume design was not strong.

I feel like it almost felt like, I don't know, is this going to become another annual recurring thing? Or it just felt like this one-time thing, we're throwing everybody in.

I don't know if they can afford to keep doing it like this.

It didn't feel like they were back every year. It felt like final, cumulative.

I think that they need to be back every year. And what I also liked is I felt like I saw a lot of new faces that I've not seen before. It was a lot of talent discovery, which is what Victoria's Secret used to be great at.

No, and it should be cutthroat, by the way. You can't make it every year. There's only so many spots. Not everybody's invited. It needs to be 20 girls every year. Even if you're at the top of your game, maybe this year is not the year for you. It should be a little competitive. Not just like, we're all winners.

I think that it doesn't make sense if they don't bring it back again. Now, I think they need to If they wanted to mean anything, especially because this was so short, and they didn't say anything. It's not like they said, We're back one night only, Victoria's Secret Reunion. That would have been something.

That's what it felt like, Reunion, because everyone was invited.

Yeah, but reunion happens once every 5 or 10 years.

Right. No, I don't know. I don't know what this means for the brand.

I don't think they know what it means for the brand, and that came through.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All in all, though, watching it, eating pizza back in the day, critiquing everyone, that's the fun of being a woman.

Yes. Yes, it is.

Being a slob and a half and just sitting there being like, ugly, ugly bikini.

There was one girl who walked down the runway in the camera. I'm not over the camera, was filming filming her shoes the whole time. And probably spent eight seconds on her shoes and one second on her face. What are you showing me?

No, the camera work was... By the way, let's say it all in unison. Justice for Jasmine Touks.

Justice for Jasmine Touks.

She got so screwed. Let me say, I think she was one of the people people were most looking forward to.

Then there were some people who went by in the blink of an eye because they were coming down the runway in twos, and there was people two feet behind them. There were some people whose walk never ended.

No, and by the way, they didn't send the models back for the most part. They walked off camera. They kept walking straight.

That's weird. I think they thought that was a slay narrator. It was not a slay.

No, everybody's screen time cut in half.

Yeah.

It was weird.

It was weird. The stage direction was bad.

Yeah. But I just want to say, with all my critiques, I actually enjoyed it.

Yeah. If I didn't enjoy it, I would have turned it off and I watched the whole thing.

Oh, people are really mad about the Victoria's Secret hair.

I saw. That's not something that I noticed when I was watching it. But then when people said it, I was like, Oh, yeah, that's pretty fair, because usually they have the va-va boom.

The glam, historically, has been very feminine, bouncy, blowout, light makeup, really very feathery, almost. Glam. And this time was a lot of slickback Glam's eyeliner, very matrixy, like you said. I do think that's a little bit more of the trend now in glam. Everybody's wearing slickback bonds. But no, do I think it's Victoria's Secret? No.

No. And yes, it's a trend right now, but voluminous hair never goes out of style. Glam, natural makeup never goes out of style. So yes, now looking back at the pictures, and some people had reasons for their hair. I saw some really cute ponies or whatever. But then some people were wearing their hair blown out down, and it's like, it It would have been more. Judged. And I do think that is a fair critique. So yeah. Me too. Hair and makeup, also not on point.

Yeah.

So that's the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.

Victoria.

Are you ready for our next story? Switching gears in a major way? Mm. Sophia Richie-Grain just recalling her very difficult pregnancy with her daughter, Eloise. So Sophia Richie-Grain is on this new podcast, podcast called She MD, which we were just talking about because the host is a big OB/GYN to the stars.

Yes, I had actually heard of her, weirdly. She's Dr. A.

Dr. A from the Kardashian's.

On the Kardashian's. They literally send her on her own private jet whenever they're on vacation. She literally stays nearby. She must be so wealthy.

Right. She has a podcast, and Sophia Richie-Grange was one of her patients. Now she is talking about her pregnancy in her first postpartum interview, and she revealed that pregnancy was not an easy journey for her. On the latest episode of SheMD, she said she recalled gaining 70 pounds while carrying her baby and being out on bedrest when she began having contractions at six months pregnant. She said, I had a great pregnancy up until about 32 weeks. I woke up one morning and I texted Dr. A, and I was like, Hey, I woke up and I'm really tired today. My back really hurts. I feel a little crampy. I thought it was going to be another one of those, Yeah, babe, that's pregnancy. You're going to be fine, but you can come in if you want me to check you type of situations. She was like, You know what? Actually, I think you should go see the fetal specialist to monitor that everything's okay, and then you'll go home. It's not that big of a deal. She said, Thank God that she said that because they hooked me up to a monitor and they were like, You are in active labor.

She ended up having to stay in the hospital for six days. That was at 32 weeks pregnant. She said, I was begging, please, please let me go home. Dr. A was like, You can go home, but you're on bedrest. We have to monitor you. So that's what I did. Bedrest but contracting. And then we induced at 38 weeks. I had a fantastic delivery. However, then she says that when she went home, she developed a rare postpartum condition called preeclampsia. Postpartum.

Right. I didn't know you could... Our sister Olivia had it while she was pregnant. It's common to get it, not common, but you get it while you're pregnant. I didn't know that you could get it afterwards.

Yeah. If you have high blood pressure after you deliver, that's why they're taking your blood pressure every 2 hours in the hospital. She said, I stayed in the hospital for two days. I went home and then I blew up like a balloon, quite literally just swelled. I felt very ill. My blood pressure was 165 over 103. It was postpartum preeclampsia, so she had to go back to the hospital and leave her daughter at home, which she described as being really hard for her. But in the end, everything was okay.

Oh, man. Yeah. I love this concept of a celebrity, OB/GYN. People exclusively telling their birth stories on this podcast. I actually think it's a great concept. I know she does other stuff. She had, I think Halsey on talking about her endometriosis, other feminine health things. But I feel like we don't get every podcaster or influencer. It's like, Here's my birth story. It's a thing you have to do. We never hear celebrity birth stories.

Yeah, but everyone has a birth I find them so... Even if your birth went exactly according to plan, that's actually more uncommon than not. Is giving... Dr. A is giving West Coast Dr. Fox. Speaking of, by the way. Ovg with I-N with a podcast.

Do you want to promote something?

My birth stories?

No. The Redheads? Dana's.

Dana's birth story. She took her stories to the Redheads, and her story is actually a crazy one. So on the most recent episode of The Redheads, Dana shares her birth story. And my birth stories are on Patreon if you want to hear my birth stories. Yeah. I think they're good stories.

I heard them at the time, and I thought they were good as well.

Do you enjoy listening? Not to mine, because of course, we have a kinship like no other. Do you enjoy other people's birth stories? Yeah. I feel like I wouldn't have cared about people's birth stories as much until I was pregnant and gave birth.

People that I love, of course, I'm curious what happened, too. But birth stories in general, No, they don't really do it for me.

Celebrity birth stories. Did that fall into people that you love?

No, but Olivia, we were all a part of Olivia's birth journey, and her getting preeclampsia was traumatizing. Hearing that Sofia Richie, I can connect. Yeah.

But just Sofia Richie in general, a celebrity that you love. Take Sofia Richie out of it. A celebrity that you love, are you interested in their birth story?

I might be interested in Taylor Taylor's birth story. That's literally it. Okay.

I'm so glad my turdy Listen to the birth story. I'll work on that one.

Yeah, that's not your best.

I'll ask AI to fix that one up. Are you ready for our next story? Don't worry, it's not a birth story.

I'm ready.

It's actually a weird story. Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman are going to be starring in a movie called Song, Song, Blue, which is a musical film about a husband and wife Neil Diamond Tribute Band.

Okay.

There's a lot in there.

Let me just unpack.

There's a lot in there. Let me break it down into multiple sentences, okay? Okay. Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman are taking the stage in a new musical drama film.

Their set- Wait, stage?

Soundstage.

Oh, okay. It's not a play. No. Okay.

The two are set to star in- The Dior? A movie called Song, Song, Blue.

As Claire and Mike- Such a bad name for a movie.

As Claire and Mike, a real-life couple from Milwaukee who form a Neil Diamond tribute band called Lightning & Thunder. Based on a true story. So a lot of things here. A lot of things.

I actually think this is a good natural next step for Kate Hudson, who's really been in the latter half of her career embracing music. If you watch Glee, you know that she... Some people are like, Wait, Kate Hudson can sing? If you watch Glee, you know. This has obviously been a passion of hers, but it's never been her work. And so now, our rom-com queen starring in a movie, but also it's a musical that she sings I think it's actually a good next step for her because she is starting this music career.

I love the idea of Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman being in a movie musical together. I love them both. I love movie musicals. However, the subject matter here- Is unique. I don't know why this was the story that needs to be told.

And is that to assume that the soundtrack of the film is exclusively Neil Diamond music, or is it going to be original music?

I think it's going to be a lot of Neil Diamond music. And maybe that's maybe someone got the rights and said, Hey.

Yard sale. Well, let's do a movie. Now, Neil Diamond, of course, sings Sweet Caroline. And now I'm looking at his other big hits, and I haven't heard of them. And that obviously is cause for concern.

Let us know what What are they?

Cracklin' Rose.

Cracklin' Rose. It's Cracklin' Rose.

Okay, here. Tell me what you think all these songs sound like. Okay. Song, Song Blue. Oh, wait. Is that the name of the movie? Yeah. All right, hit me.

I'm so glad my song is. Oh, my God.

Come on. No, no, no. No, seriously, stop with that song. It's getting annoying. And I want you to actually say what you think. I can't. I want to know what you actually think 'Song, Song, Sung, Blue sounds like.

I genuinely... 'Song, Song, Sung, Blue?

I think it actually sounds like this. 'Song, Song, Blue' That's so Neil Diamond.

That is. Why don't you play it? Let's find out.

No. Holly Holey.

I don't even know what genre Neil Diamond sing because Sweet Caroline is a genre of its own. So it's like, Am I going country? Am I going folks? Am I going blues?

They say that Neil Diamond makes music for older white people. So just embrace that.

That's giving me like, Come on, Eileen.

Exactly.

Does he sing that?

No.

So what was that song called? Holly Holy?

Holly Holy.

What a crazy name.

I know. These are all crazy. I am, I said.

It sounds like Dr. Seuss.

September Morn.

Okay. Rural Jure. These are not real song names.

No, I seriously... According to Google, these are his songs.

I guess even the name Sweet Caroline is random.

Like, yeah, not anymore because it's a part of American culture.

And the lyrics are Sweet Caroline, Bum, Bum, Bum.

That's actually not the lyrics, it's the sound of the drum.

He doesn't say Bum, Bum, Bum.

No. It's Sweet Caroline, like drum, drum, drum. And then people at weddings took it to the next level.

But now hearing his other song titles, I could see him having lyrics, Bum, Bum, Bum.

He sounds crazy. Yeah, he's nutty. Yeah, for sure.

So this movie.

So this movie.

I can't give it the Jacky O'Stamp of Approval for her great creative processes. However, I'm open, and I like what they did with half of it.

That's unfortunate that you can't give it that award, but I understand.

The J-O-S-O-A.

The Jisowa. The Jisowa Award. Yeah.

I got it. For creativity.

Yeah, right. And ingenuity.

And innovation. And spirit.

Yeah.

But I'm open.

Yeah, I'm definitely not going to be seeing this. So this is the last I'll probably hear of this movie.

I could see myself seeing this movie because Zack really wants to go to the movies and we have to see what's in the theater. It's that particular day, even though I didn't want to see anything. And I see this is out, and I'm like, Okay, I'll see that one.

Yeah, that's so funny. Of all the ones that are out, this is the one you'll stop.

I don't go to the movies when the movies are good. I just go because I have to go that day.

When time allows it.

Yeah, or it just Jack's birthday, and he wants to go to the movies.

Yeah. All right. So I guess we're going to see this movie in May.

If you want me to see your movie, come out with it in May.

Release it on May second?

On May second, yeah.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story, which is some major news in the podcasting that's really going to shake things up around here?

Oh, my God. I'm so excited. What is it?

Because guess who's announced their new podcast? You'll never guess.

Keeping Up With Sports?

No, I wish. That would have been a first story, not a fourth.

What is it?

Rachel Ray, announces her new podcast called I'll Sleep When I'm Dead. It's unscripted, raw, and real talk.

I have so many things to say.

Rachel Ray isn't slowing down anytime soon. Just look at her new podcast, Name as Evidence. The celebrity cook and TV host debuts her first podcast, I'll Sleep When I'm Dead, on yesterday, October 15th. The show focuses on what fuels us, our drive, resilience, and how we face life's challenges. According to a press release, it will feature a melting pot of conversations with celebrity, chefs, artists, musicians, and other familiar faces with no topic off limits. Did you think something was going to be off limits with Rachel Ray? No.

Let's, of course, do what we do and evaluate the name of this podcast. It is legitimately atrocious.

It's legitimately atrocious because obviously that is- But if you would have told me a celebrity has a podcast, you just tell me who.

You said a new celebrity podcast was just announced. The title is I'll Sleep When I'm Dead.

I would have said- Bethany Frankl. No.

People say that when they're 18 and they stay out all night. I don't sleep when I'm dead.

For me, it's giving a girl boss hustler culture.

The other thing, and I love Rachel Ray, and I don't want to ever stop a woman from entering the podcast It's a relaxing space, but like- Do not come. Do not come. First of all, relax. I feel like you work so hard on your daytime show for so many years. Take the time to enjoy that. Second of all, not to be mean, but the daytime show was canceled. So it's the need for you to interview people. It really isn't there. The demand isn't there so much anymore. And three, you recently have come under fire for your actual inability to speak, slurring and being crazy. So I don't No offense. I don't know if a job where you speak all the time is best for you.

Even though that has been her career up until this point, I think a better title for this would have been 30 Minute Combos.

I love it.

I love it. And that's like, we know where your show is now. It's a 30 Minute combo. What are we talking about? What are we making tonight? And you know what? I could listen to it while I make my 30 Minute Meal.

While you make it the 30 Minute Meal. Yeah, by the way, I love that.

But nobody asked me. And that's the problem.

I could have seen her doing Ray of Light.

Oh, Rachel's Rays.

The thing about Rachel Ray, and correct me if I'm wrong, she's Rachael.

Rachael, yeah.

And if somebody who is so deeply connected to finetics and language, her name being Rachael, pronounced Rachael, which is not that crazy. I think there's a million girls named Rachael who spell it Rachael. But her, specifically, she's the most famous, Rachael. She'll always be She's famous to me. Yeah.

She just needed that extra letter because she's extra.

She needed the extra letter. She didn't need the extra responsibility of this podcast. I just know in a year from now-If they make a movie about her life, it'll be called Extra A. Jackie, I know in a year from now, we are going to be talking about Rachel Ray's podcast in the context of our list of celebrities who started a podcast and then never pick them back up.

I don't even think our list is comprehensive enough.

No. Although our list of A Podcast that came and went is one of my favorite things. Do you remember a time where you couldn't leave the house without hearing about Ashley Graham's podcast or JVN's?

Jvn. Yeah, I remember JVN more so than Ashley Graham. He was one of the bigger Biggest podcast.

Yeah.

Anna Farris.

Is she on our list?

No, because it's- Because she's not fully quit it yet.

Every couple of weeks, she releases an episode.

It's not like the other ones where it's a celebrity being, I think I'll start a podcast. She actually had a very successful podcast She's doing a podcast, even if she's done with it. I actually don't think it falls into that list.

Yeah, she was doing podcasts long before anyone else.

She has many seasons of a successful show. I just don't think it's the same.

Let's see. Anna Faris.

It's like reruns and stuff, right? Yeah.

The last... They haven't released an episode since January, and every episode before that has been a rerelease for the last year. So it's officially over.

But I still don't think she's on the list. I don't think she's on the list either. She's not a celebrity who woke up and said, I think I'll do a podcast today, and then a year later, shut her.

And then it was too much for them. But I'm telling you, don't be surprised if Richelle Ray ends up on that list.

Well, I personally am rooting for her because I don't think it will be in the comedy category. Therefore, no threat to us. Therefore, no threat to us.

Yeah. Our ability to be happy for anyone joining the podcasting sphere is like, what impact will it have on us?

It's true. I don't think this has any impact on us whatsoever. Therefore, I'm always going to root for Rach. That's just me. I feel like you used to be that way. Then something hardened you.

Something changed definitely with me and Rachael.

You used to champion her She lived more than I did because I watched her show recently, and it was not for me.

Yeah, you did watch 30 Minute Meals and take a giant dump on it.

It was a wild ride. She had her chaos. We were talking about another creator recently who does food videos, and I was explaining to you how... She says it's really great videos, but it's just not for me. It's just too crazy.

Wait. My memory is so bad.

She's a great creator. I'll just text it to you because I would not send her this person. They're a great creator. It's just the style is not for me. Sent to you.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean? That's like, Rachel Ray.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A great creator.

A creator.

A creator. She's been creating for a while. And really, I couldn't help but wonder, are all chefs creators?

I couldn't ever wonder. I think we are all creators of God's universe.

We are all created by the creator.

That's beautiful.

And he is the ultimate creator.

Amen.

That's so Pesach. What tune is that?

Yeah, I know. Da, da, da, da. It's a classic Passover tune.

Svarte, ja. Svarte, ja.

I have a question for you. Is there a reason why you haven't moved to the next story yet? You're really dilly dally. I'm like, I wonder when she's going to stop talking about Rachel Ray.

I'm sitting in this.

Okay, I'll send you your toaster. I'm just sending you know.

Actually, you know what? I'm glad that you're pushing me forward because my next segue is so pargy, if I may. Okay. Before we get to the fifth and final story, may I say something?

If you must.

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Right, right, right. So as our tosters know, I just turned 30. And it's fine. Obviously, it's not a big deal at all. I'm not going to change anything. It's actually just amazing. And Jackson and I love being really in an honest way. We love being at this stage of our lives where we get to experience a lot of huge milestones of adulthood right along with the toaster. Who are going through the exact same things as us, mostly. Milestones like having kids, starting businesses, making one of those first big adult purchases. And then masking it. Stop. Like buying a house or a car. These are big things, and these are things that we're all entering. That phase of our life on. It's exciting. It's a big deal. Not to make everything about us. As we said before, getting a new car, buying a house, these are huge things. The first thing you might be saying to yourself is, question mark, how did I get here? How do I get But really, the words you want to be thinking or singing are, Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

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So, Jax, I'll say this. I feel like, obviously, everybody knows you're an amazing mom.

That's low-hanging fruit.

Yeah, I'm not going to say that, but just wanted to let you know I obviously think that. But I think something you're really crushing right now is being a homeowner. Having all the dip... Your home is It's beautiful. It's always well-stocked with food and chargers, things that you need. I think you're a really good homeowner.

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Now I'm ready for the fifth and final story.

The fifth and final story. So it's a little bit of an update to a story from this week, which was Travis Kelsey's ex going on Angel Rees' podcast and getting her ass handed to her by-On the internet, yeah.

So she is having- The more I thought about that, I thought it was so interesting because for the most part, I feel like the Swift's are torturous to everyone, right? Anyone in their path. And they've left Kayla Nicole alone. I feel like she hasn't really gotten, maybe I don't know, but I feel like They haven't come for her. They really just let her be. And she woke a beast with that podcast.

Yes. So she is now talking about and reflecting on the online backlash after being on the podcast. So she said on an episode of I Am Athlete Daily, she said, After the podcast came out, I thought that I handled things with race. I thought that I answered the questions to the best of my ability. The public had their interpretation of things. It didn't matter to me. She said, She wasn't initially bothered by the social media reactions. Oh, her mother called her and expressed concern. She said, My mom calls me, though, and it's those conversations. That's what matters to me because she's offended. She's hurt by the way people are perceiving her daughter. She's hurt with the negative headlines and the way that people are spinning it. I only saw clips from this interview, so it's hard to judge the entire thing. But based on what I saw, I do agree with Kayla Nicole that she spoke very gracefully about this situation. The questions to me were what was more problematic. And even someone, I think in Toast After Dark, screenshotted the Angel Rees podcast Instagram page. It's all clips of Kayla Nicole with pictures of Travis.

Yes, they're milking it. They're really milking it. I feel like that's what is unfair and has put this in a bad light. Not necessarily anything that she said in context.

By the way, I agree with you that most of the blame, I think, lies in the questions, the promotion. It looks like Kaylyn Nicole's nonstop talking about Travis, but she literally was asked about it, and then the account posted a million videos. I agree. Except I did feel like what she had said, Travis and her can't communicate or acknowledge each other because his current girlfriend, it's such a big star, was disrespectful. No, you can't talk to him because you're not with him anymore. You don't do that when someone's in a new relationship. I don't think she helped herself by some of the things that she said, but I agree that she was put in a shit position.

Yeah. But I agree that exes of five years don't need to talk to each other, especially when someone's in a new relationship. But she was saying, even if we walk past each other, we can't say even hi because it will just be taken and made into a big thing, which is true. I think that's a true It's a statement. Yeah. So I feel a little badly. I think anybody who- I'm getting emo in the video, and I'm sure it's been hard for her. And also, let's not forget, she's just a girl. She was dating someone for five years, and she probably thought that that was in the future. And now he's moved on with Taylor Swift.

No, I feel bad for anyone who goes on a podcast, tell their story and gets backlash, even if it's warranted or not. Getting backlash for just saying something that you think is horrible. People always take it too far, right? Yeah. Then you're being like, ushered by the police because you got death threats. I go bad for anyone who goes through that. Really, you can't know how really traumatizing it is until you experience it yourself. So I always am going to end up defending it and feeling sorry for the person, even no matter what they said, if it was bad or good. So I agree with you. She's just a girl. And at the end of the day, it's got to just be fucking horrible that you're a boyfriend who you invented. Nobody was looking at Travis Kelsey. You saw something in him before everybody else did. And then it was a meaningful relationship, five years long. That's long. To have him end up in a relationship that's so happy. That has to be hard, of course. But then it's with the most famous person, and they become the most famous people.

Everybody loves them together. Everybody's worshiping their relationship in a way that they never did yours. It's heartbreaking. That's just anybody would feel that way.

No. He's over here getting $100 million deals for his podcast. When you were with him, he was probably just doing it as a hobby and making $100.

Maybe you were holding the camera, supporting his streams.

It's giving Austin Butler and Vanessa Anne.

It is. She invented him.

She invented him, and she was the one who told him. I bet Kayla Nicole was the one who told him to do a podcast with his brother.

Yeah, imagine.

When did they break up? Kayla.

I feel like six months to a year before Taylor. That's my guess.

Oh, that's close. I would have assumed way longer. They broke up 2022.

And they started dating 2023. That was 2023.

Yeah. Well, those were good stories. Thank you so much for sharing. And what's so exciting is that we still have your toaster as our weekly advice segment. So if you're ready, we got for the red blue. Is that to your farmer? No, it's to your toaster. Rats.

Okay.

Okay. Hey, Jackson Turd. I'm getting married this spring, and so far, the planning hasn't been stressful until my fiancé's girl best friend asked to do a special dance with him.

Red flag, the great Gbev.

He wanted me to ask her to be a bridesmaid, but I said no because we really don't get along. I think this dance is insane, But he doesn't want to upset their families. Basically, their moms have been best friends since childhood. His older brother is married to her older sister. They're basically like family. My husband had two brothers growing up, and he considers her like a sister. Should I give into her stupid dance, or should I put my foot down? This is weird, no?

So she's not his sister. Just make that very clear. And even if that was his sister, he wouldn't do a dance with his sister at the wedding. The dances are between the husband and the wife, the mother and the son, and the father and the daughter, period. Put your foot down. I don't like this dynamic.

No, this is fucking weird. First of all, the fact that she would ask for a thing that doesn't exist, to dance with someone else's husband, is so egregious. And really, I get why you don't like her. She's obviously fucking disgusting. I hate this bitch with my whole pussy.

Everything can make you feel like it's weird.

And that you're being rude. We are here to tell you, third-party individuals with no particular interest in the matter, this bitch is crazy. I'll kill you if you let this bitch dance at your wedding. Also, even if it was a reasonable request, which is not, if it doesn't make you comfortable and it's your wedding, you're allowed, this is the one day where you're allowed to be unreasonable. Mind you, you are not being unreasonable. It is completely out of bounds for her to even ask this. I don't give a fuck if these two people are twins. Let's say you were marrying twins, about marrying a twin, a fraternal twin. And the twin sister was like, I want to have a dance with my twin brother. No.

Not unless you're a professional dancer. Not unless you're Julianne and Derek Huff. Even then. Can they dance? No, you can't. I feel like they would, though. I was going to say that if she wants to dance with your husband at his wedding, then she should marry him because that's the only way you're getting with the mans on the dance floor.

I think that is what she would like to be happening.

Then go marry him. But if you're not, then I'm going to.

Absolutely not. This is so Adam Bounds.

You can't because you're his sister, right? Yeah, right. I'm your sister.

I hate that. Also, keep this girl away from your husband. I hate that when people are close to her.

It's like my brother.

It's not your brother. But it's not. You could still technically fuck this person, and it wouldn't be weird or illegal. So it's not It's not your brother.

It's not your brother.

It's not. No, I hate that, too. Our moms are... I don't give a fuck. But our mom's like, We were born in the same hospital. I don't give a fuck.

It's not your brother.

Like, grow up.

I hate that.

Okay. Ready for our next one? Yeah. Hello, by the way. I chose this one because it's interesting, but I also need your help in understanding what she called us because one of my favorite parts of Dear Toaster is seeing how people reference us. Hey, Turdalool. How do they address that? Hi, Toast Berthers. B-i-r-t-h-e-r-s. Like giving birth to the toast.

Okay.

Because we like... That's you. Is she saying we like, invented the toast? I don't know. Okay. A-k Jackson Turdy. I need advice because my boyfriend's ex-girlfriend recently posted a TikTok where she says one of her red flags is that she has a complicated relationship with her ex. I know my boyfriend is her only ex. Is Is that valid for me to be upset about? What do you mean complicated? Should I be upset at him, at her? I don't know. Help. Am I overreacting?

You can't get mad at him over something that crazy over there said and did. You need to actually find tangible proof. Also, she can have a complicated relationship with him in her mind. With her mind. That shouldn't come between your healthy relationship.

No, but also you have to know people on social media are always dramatizing their own life. I bet, you should look into this, but no, there's a possibility. She just wants attention. I'm a crazy girl. Look at my red flags. I have a crazy ex. No, you don't. And did amicably. It's fine.

You have a crazy mind. I would do a little digging, look at their recent text messages. Dm history, if that's available to you. But do not take out something on him that crazy over there did. And do not let her affect your otherwise healthy relationship if it is a healthy relationship.

Yeah. And you also have to think of what she said. She said, I have a complicated relationship with my ex. Now, that could mean, obviously, There are things left unsaid. They talk, and it's weird. It could mean that for sure. But if you have a complicated relationship with your ex, you could have a complicated... You see it in a complicated way.

I have a complicated relationship with my history. How I think about it. Yeah, with how I think about it.

It could be a few different things.

It's giving delusions of the mind.

But by the way, we're not delusional. It could also be bad.

Yes, but your boyfriend, I'm assuming he's trustworthy, and you love him, and you know him. You need to go with that over crazy down the way. If he is those things- Let me ask you another question. If he is those things.

I'm assuming this girl is single, right? What single girl doesn't have a complicated relationship with her ex? Once you move on, that's where it stops being complicated.

Relationships are complicated, right? No, but also it's like, you love this person, now they're a stranger to you. That is complicated. She's not wrong for that.

It is complicated. Do a little digging, but don't automatically assume the worst because I think she could just be seeking for likes.

Yeah, and also She put a little poison in your relationship, and she's happy about that. She's winning.

Yeah. Our third and final, dear toaster. Hello, swirleys. I'm newly married. I've been with my significant other for over eight years. I'm currently on my honeymoon, and I received a text from my sister-in-law. The text was screenshots of my latest Instagram post on my honeymoon, and it said, weird, fugly ass outfits, and she edits her pics.

I'm actually so relieved. This isn't about your husband being a philanderer.

Obviously, this was meant for someone else. I responded out of anger My husband said, next time I'll borrow some of your V-necks shirts since you have a closet full of them. Honestly, he's sly. My husband supported my message, but now I'm worried that I responded too quickly, and I'm maybe driving a wedge between him and his family. He's very close with them, but they can be overbearing. His sister has made passive-aggressive comments to me before about how I'm white, he's Hispanic, but she's never said anything explicitly rude before. What do I do?

I think you did the complete right thing. She's a bitch. Now you know. Keep your eyes open.

And by the way, you don't have to do anything. If anyone should be having a pit, like, Oh, what do I do? It's the sister. She actually said something so nasty. By the way, she's obsessed with you, like refreshing your Instagram. She's probably one of those sisters who wants to fuck her brother. It's giving Theresa Judais. Sorry, you should just send a video of you two fucking and being like, Is this what you wanted?

Yeah.

It's hard to see people living your dreams.

Keep doing you.

Yeah, ignore. Seriously, you don't need to send any more text message. If anyone needs to be coming up with a plan writing into her favorite podcast, it's the other bitch. She needs to make amends. It's not on you.

Yeah, haters going to hate. I want to say, your response- But you just love, love, love.

Your response was hysterical. Seriously, it wasn't that mean that you need to ever feel bad. You gave it to her back, but hers was way meaner, and I think your response was perfect. Leave it alone. Yeah.

When someone makes passive-aggressive remarks at you and you don't want to stir the pot, you don't really get a lot of opportunities to give it back to them. It's true. But that was clear as day, and I'm glad that you took the opportunity.

Because when opportunity knocks, you best be answering.

You best be.

Weren't those good submissions today? Yeah. I feel I feel like the girlies are going through it, which obviously I'm not happy about, but I feel like in different seasons of life, sometimes the tosters are doing well and the submissions are not on point.

Number three is on her honeymoon. Number two has a boyfriend.

And what was number one?

The number one is getting married to a man who's so desirable. This girl wants to dance with him.

Everybody wants a piece of him.

The girl, of course, everyone's jealous of the tosters. Of course.

Of course. And maybe if you listen to The Toast, you'd have a man. I'm talking to somebody who is obviously I'm really not listening. But maybe if you did, maybe you would be happy and planning a wedding, but you're not.

Keep screenshotting your sister-in-law's pictures and talking shit.

See where that gets you. By the way, and just so you know, you should sleep well on your honeymoon knowing this bitch has the biggest pit. What is worse than sending the wrong thing to the wrong person? Talking shit edition. Sometimes it's embarrassing. You send a picture that was meant for your doctor. But no, there is nothing. There's no experience worse on the planet- No. Than what that girl is going through. So seriously, you should find peace knowing she's having a terrible day.

Yeah, and that she's being like, Mom.

Yeah, Mom, what do I do? And it's just like, You got your man.

And you're on your honeymoon. That's fun.

What's that like? Can this V-neck bitch say the same?

Claudia and I didn't take honeymoons.

No, I was just having this conversation with someone because I ran into somebody who just got married, and she was telling me about her honeymoon. And she got married around the same time as me, which is right before the Jewish holidays. And she was like, Oh, I don't know. I'm like, Girl, we didn't do it because of the Jewish holidays, and we never went. Like, go, go. You still have time.

Yeah.

That's our show. I'm literally out of breath from how much we talked.

We talk a lot. We sing a lot.

I'm so glad the toaster's made it to the end. Another amazing episode of this pod.

Oh. One step closer to be in our real life, friends.

Love that. I feel like that's a good way to end it. I don't need to do our usual thing.

I think we should end our show by attempting a heart.

Have a great day, everyone. Thanks for listening.

This is my new favorite segment. Love you. Love you. Bye.