Transcript of Grab a Slice and Tell Me Lies: Thursday, October 17th, 2024

Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Thursday.

Hope everybody's having a Gargi Pargie morning. And speaking of Gargi Pargie... Wait, it's Thursday. Yeah. Why are you looking me like that?

I'm just looking at you. I feel a little disoriented, but I am having a Gargi Pargie morning. Good. To kick things off on the right foot because Yawasinwar has been eliminated. Yes. The head of Hamas, famed. If you know, you know Yawasinwar.

Absolutely sending condolences to Bella Hadid today. The elusive Yawas, Sinuar, the morally corrupt. They have been saying for so long that he has hidden underground.

They don't know where he is, but that he has the remaining hostages surrounding him so that if Israel tries, They can't.

He wasn't found with any hostages, which fucking sucks. But a win is a win. No, this is such a major win. I think it's the number one target. They got Nassrallah, which was so amazing. They got that other guy.

You remember where you were when you heard that Saddam Hussein had been killed? Yeah, or Osama bin Laden. I'm so confused. There's been a couple of big names like that in the last few months.

But Sinmar was the one who planned October seventh. His story is actually so crazy. If you don't know.

He's been a terrorist popping off for decades. He was arrested, and he was in an Israeli prison, and he was actually exchanged in a prisoner exchange for one Israeli soldier who was taken hostage back in 2006, Gilad Shalit. Gilad Gilad Shalit was exchanged for over 1,000 terrorists. Wait, I did not know. Okay. Yawas Sinuar was one of them. I did not know that. Who was given back in the Gilad Shalit exchange. Then he went on to continue his terrorist activity, and he was the mastermind of October seventh.

Also, while he wasn't in Israeli prison, he was complaining that he had headaches, and the doctors found cancer in his brain, and they operated on him and removed the cancer and performed life-saving surgery on this piece of shit.

That's just the That's the craziest thing. Wait, I had no idea the Gilad Shalit of it all. You guys, if you grew up, and you're our age and you're Jewish, you grew up, your whole life, your childhood revolved around Gilad Shalit. He was taken hostage, and it was just a major tragedy for years and years and years.

Israel never gave up. Then literally a couple of years ago, they got him back. I didn't realize. I knew that they had traded 1,500 for one. And I didn't realize one of those 1,500 was Yawasinwar. And that's why when people are like, It's a prisoner exchange. It's not. No, they're like, it's a hostage exchange. It's not hostages that Israel is giving back. It's prisoners. They're giving back legitimate terrorist prisoners, and they go on to commit more terror, which is why it's hard to give them back to do it.

But they do it to save the lives of the innocent people. So hopefully this is like, blowing the case wide open, reaching more hostages, the Bibas family. This is huge. This is really huge. I mean, Hamas has obviously been very much weakened in the last year of the war.

But to take out the number number one guy in this group. It's really amazing stuff.

I was just going to make a joke, but it's actually not fair to Jack Taylor. The amount of pop culture references I've put into this recap. Just to make it palatable for the swirleys. Just to make it palatable for the swirleys. It's like the Jack Taylor of Hamas.

Now, that's not cool because Jack Taylor is not a terrorist, but it was a joke.

No, not the number one guy in the group.

We have so much to talk about today.

I didn't even chat with you.

Were you able to watch the Tommy Lies finale? I was. We will do an official TV recap at the end of the show.

So if you're avoiding spoilers, don't worry, it'll be at the end.

We have to get into it. We have a lot to do today. There's three major things. One, Stenoir. Two, Tell Me Lies. Three, and this is in no particular order, three, Liam Payne. Yeah, that was shocking. That was probably the most shocked I've been in my lifetime.

Yeah. Everything, all the news today, pop culture news, is Liam Payne? Like details. Is it a story? Or you want to talk about it now? Of course, it's a story.

It's like the story, and then there's a couple others, and then there's Tell Me Lies recap.

It's like, if this were a heart rate monitor, there's three big peaks in the show. I love that medical analysis. I'm just giving a lot of analysis today.

And then also one extra peak at the end of the show is that when turdy arises from her coxedinia pillow, she's headed off to my house.

I am so looking forward to the meal that will greet me upon arrival.

I do arrive around dinner time.

My flight is like 3:30-ish, which means by the time I get to your house, it will be dinner time, and I will be set for dinner. I'm really looking forward to seeing what you put together. Obviously, I gave you my request, but you're going to do your own thing with it.

I gave you the menu options, and you placed your order, and that's what you'll get. I'm excited. I told you Ben's flying in, too, as well. No, and I keep asking you because Harry keeps asking. Every time I say, Coaches coming, Coaches coming. He said, And Uncle Ben? I'm like, That's a really good question.

That's literally disgusting. He's so rude.

I know, but he's really excited about Uncle Ben. Yes, of course.

I said to Ben, so Ben was supposed to be in and out of Florida this week and last week. That does affect the number of meepalls I make. So thank you for letting me know.

I need to defrost another path. I think he has a dinner. Like a work thing tonight?

In my town? In your town. I don't even have a work thing in my town.

Leave it to Ben to have contacts hosed in different area codes.

I actually once in a while get invited to an event in my town.

I just want to go to encourage events in my town.

I've not made it to one yet. The way you're saying my town, why do I feel like... Is that a 30 Rock reference? No. No, and it's like, And the town in which I live.

What is that from? Does anybody know what I'm talking about? I think it's a family inside joke. You live in a town.

No, of course. That's an Ogie family joke.

I'm talking about the town in which I live. Guys, what am I thinking of? My references are just getting crossed today. Maybe it'll come to me. It's okay. I haven't been to any events in my town, but I look forward to going to some.

Anyways, maybe I'd like to hear what Ben's got going on. I don't think you'd be interested in Ben. It's like a Spritz investor who lives near you having dinner. How cute. Yeah, so cute.

I'm pretty sure he's out on dinner. So I don't need to account for him in the meatball's count. I don't know. You know what's so interesting about you when you're cooking?

Just something that I gleaned from eating a lot of your food this summer is you don't cook obscene amounts.

You always have leftovers maybe one or two meatballs. Bitch, make the other pack. That's because I don't like leftovers, really. I don't like old chicken. I don't like heating it back up.

The way that meatball tastes right out of the oven is so much different than after being in a Tupperware in the microwave, and I'd rather just make them again. Okay. But I definitely suffer from quantity control. It's hard. Because I either don't have enough. Sometimes, Zack and I are splitting a breast of chicken. If the boy They always decide they each want their own because the packs I buy come in three. If the boys are extra hungry, they each get their own breast, and Zack and I split. Or I have all this old chicken in the fridge that I'm throwing away in four days. No, measuring and deciding how much food to cook for X amount of people is literally impossible.

No, I just make however much comes in the bag. I make the same amount for when I'm making a meal for my family, if the Shapiros are coming, I'll just eat less.

No, and then in my family, everyone is constantly on and off Ozempic.

So some weeks, I'm like, no one will eat a thing. It's so true. And then it's like, oh, everyone's off and the food is gone. So we have to factor that in as well, the semaglutide. Yeah, the semaglutide. Do you know that it's pronounced semaglutide?

I love that. It's not semaglutide.

That Wegovy commercial, Whoa, whoa, whoa, Wegovy.

Oh, no.

That's the Ozempic one. The Wegovy one is Greatest Showman. Have you seen that one? No. I don't really watch cable. Wegovy. No. You haven't seen that Wegovy one? No, I have not. I am brave. Wegovy. They want to get me on Wegovy.

Oh, my God. It's literally inspiring.

Good luck watching that commercial and not crying. You don't have to try so hard. I want it. Yeah, they did like a... They basically saw Ozempic, like O-O-O Ozempic, and they said, Hold my beer.

And they made a Wegovy one with Greatest Showman.

They said, Hold my needle.

They said, shoot up. It's so good. How did we get here?

Oh, making food. Well, we were talking about food. Oh, but I saw a meme on Instagram today. Not a meme. Okay, Grandma, tell us about the meme.

I saw a graphic.

I think you mean the meme. I saw a little graphic, a little illustration.

It was for Thanksgiving, but it showed exactly how much you should make of each thing per person.

Salad, you should make one and a half cups of salad per person. Pie, two small pieces per person.

Turkey, one and a half pounds. That felt like a lot. See, the thing is, That's helpful. I appreciate someone at least trying to solve this issue that we're talking about. But each family is so personal. Like, weirdly enough, we're a big fat family, and we eat a ton of salad. A cup and a half. Yes, that's true.

So everybody has their own preferences. We're also like, we're not a family who really fucks with cranberry sauce. The personalizations make graphics like that obsolete. Gravy, half a cup per person. I can't believe how much of this I remembered. I'm not even doing Thanksgiving. The thing about Thanksgiving, and I'm so glad we're talking about it, is that Thanksgiving is It's literally top two favorite holiday of mine. I love Thanksgiving.

I hate Thanksgiving food. I really don't like roast turkey. I don't like cranberry sauce. I don't like stuffing.

I don't like sweet potatoes. I like mashed potatoes, even though that's not even a... I feel like I would really like Southern. Like cornbread? Cornbread, mac and cheese. I once made a cornbread. Was it stuffing? Cornbread stuffing. I don't like stuffing. The good thing, the last two years, I made my own Thanksgiving, and I could scour the internet, make whatever I wanted, try new things that we never had growing up. And I was then able to whittle it down to things that I actually like at my Thanksgiving.

And it's just turkey, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, and green beans, just like, steamed. I don't want them Creamy. Not Amandine? I don't need creamy beanie. Not Amandine? No, I don't need green bean casserole. Yucky. It's a vegetable. Calm down. Yeah, no, no. That's so American of us, making the vegetable like a 4,000-calorie dish. One One thing I am good at when I'm cooking is when I'm making potatoes, I feel like a really good...

Whether it's French fries, mashed potatoes, cassoulet, one potato per person, right?

Because you wouldn't eat more than one potato. One whole potato? One whole potato per person. I don't know, mashed, I would eat more than one.

That's true. I also love potatoes.

I'm learning about myself late in life. Even just a boiled potato, I love. The word boil, It has multiple meanings. It was just shocking to hear you say it. Maybe the intonation in which you said it, I thought you were referencing a pimble. I was not. Boil.

But thanks for ruining my new fave.

You're welcome.

Last night, I made some soup, and I threw some potatoes in there, and they were mighty tasty.

I actually had leftover Serrafina last night. It was so good. Yummy. It was yummy, yummy in my tummy.

Yummy in turk tummy. Okay, so Ben and I have a running joke. Ben said something to me one time, maybe six years ago, and it was so deeply offensive and rude that I literally talk about it probably once a week. And he was basically saying how We were early on dating, but we were very much together for maybe a year or two.

And he was talking about how every time we have dinner, he was basically calling me high maintenance. Why do we have to go out and do so fancy?

He's like, Why can't we just grab a slice? And I It was like, Excuse me. And I also think we were talking about it in reference to me and just met one of his friends, new girlfriends, and Ben was like, She's so chill. And he was like, Not like you. She grabs a slice. And I'm like... And the way he said, that grabs a slice is spoken about in my house, seriously, once a week. Not only was it such a losery fucking lame ass thing to say, two, it was mean. Like, sorry, I'm special. I deserve to be treated like a princess. Right. But you're not even high maintenance about going out. You could cook at home. I don't think grabbing a slice, it doesn't hit all food groups. But first of all, a slice of pizza, let's be real, is a snack? No, it's not a proper dinner unless you're going to a baseball game and you actually need to grab a slice on the way. But it's a snack or it's a late night treat. It's really not. And if you're ordering dinner, do you ever just order pizza? No, you get pasta, you get a salad, you round out your meal.

So sorry that you're a well-rounded eater. And at the time, I really was a well-rounded eater. I was so shook when he said it, and now it's like a running joke. He's like, seriously, he'll never, ever, ever live it down. I can't believe I don't think I've ever said this story on the to us. Grab a slice, grab a slice. And whenever we're eating pizza, I'm like, Isn't this so great? We're just grabbing a slice. But actually, we have weirdly been grabbing so many slices recently because there's just a pizza place that opened on our block, and it's not like a...

It's just a good New York pizza. Whenever Ben's walking Romeo, he just picks up pizza. It's this thing we started to do. You know what? He was onto something about grabbing a slice. Like, literally last night, we're watching the Mets game. We had, oh, no, two nights ago. Just like- The baseball, by the way, falls into the baseball category. We just had like, slices, dices, and like, garlic knocks. I'm so chill. I'm literally not like other girls. A couple of times in my city life, I can remember a couple of errors of slice grabbing. Zack used to live across the street from an amazing slice place. 99 Cent.

99 Cent Pizza. And we used to always pick it up on our way back from going out.

And it always smelt a little bit like vomit, the institution. So I couldn't go there sober.

So it was a place where nobody went sober. Sober. Right. I associated it with smelly drunk people, so I couldn't grab a slice sober. Then I remember later in life, when I was more adulting a couple of times, on my walk home, I was like, You know what? I'm just going to grab two slices for dinner. I just remember them sitting out.

They looked disgusting.

It never worked out for me. Grabbing a slice never worked out for me. Jackie, I meant to call you last night, and I'm so glad that I didn't because the craziest thing happened. It better be fucking crazy. No, it actually is. Only you and the tosters would appreciate this. I was trying to explain it to Ben, and he didn't get it. Only me and a couple of hundred, though.

Literally. Only you and the millions and the masses. We're watching the Mets game.

It's Mets versus Dodgers.

Did you meet the Mets? No, I didn't. One day, the answer is going to be yes.

One day, it will be.

Actually, I have met a Met. Does that count? No. Meet the Met? Yeah. They switch pictures every couple of innings because I don't know why. I was like, I thought I heard them say his name.

I'm like, Oh, that sounds familiar.

Then they did a whole DBQ. Package. I'm like, Oh, I know why I know him. Do you know who it was for the Dodgers? Tell me if this name means anything to you. I know it does. Michael Kopeck. Of course. Bre'el to Vanessa Morgan Pipeline. Yes. He's playing for the Dodgers. And by the way, he was crushing it. When he was dating Bre'el, he was in the actual Minor Leagues. Yeah. Never give up on your dreams. No, no. And they were saying he got traded at the very last minute this year, right before the deadline, going nowhere, having a renaissance, a Michael Kopeck renaissance.

If you guys remember the Breel Beermann Michael Kopeck days?

That was truly the last time I was happy. But now she's engaged. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then he ended up leaving her and dating Vanessa Morgan.

Did they have a baby together or they got engaged? They had a baby together, and I think she left him when she was pregnant. Yeah, it was like something nefarious was going on there. That's always crazy. Yeah, it gave me a suspicious eye about him. There's no amicable way that happens. I know he's in the sports world, and has been his whole career, but to see him enter the sports world for the first time, it was really shocking.

It was like Sabrina Carpenter in her new album. Welcome to the music industry. Exactly. I know you've been here for six years, but personally, you just got here.

Yeah. So that's what I did last night.

Grabbed a slice When I saw Michael Copeck. Love that for you.

I watched Tell Me Lies, and then I started a new book for my community Book Club for my Township. It's actually not my community, it's my Township. Not the Township. Local Affair.

Yeah. It's opened up to the town. And what about your county-wide Book Club? I'm not in the county-wide Book Club. I'm not in a county wide book club. Well, maybe you should start it. That would require me getting on the highway for meetings.

Oh, so true. She's got to stay local.

Got to stay local. That's so funny. Are you going to pick me up from the airport today?

I plan on it. I'll let you know afterwards.

The only thing that might come in the way, but I already Google maps it, and I can get there. I know I can do it. I'm just letting you know. If you don't, that's fine. But somebody has to pick me up.

Exactly. Yeah, it could be a Zack situation.

And feel free to throw one of the kids in the back, late night car They would love to see the airplanes.

Feel free to pick up Kayla. I'll take any of them, honestly.

Baylor. Baylor. Baylor, Baylor University. Feel free to pick up Baylor University.

Or Creevi. Or Creevi, of course. Levi, Crivi, of course. I'm really not particular. I know.

I know that about you.

In my heart, there is an order, obviously.

If I had to say, I would never say the order.

But I feel like... Do you feel like... You're a mom, so I'm not. Do you feel like with niece... I would need to somebody who has a lot of nieces and nephews and no children of their own. Do you feel like it's okay to have favorites for nieces and nephews? I objectively do think so.

I think that's just what happens. I feel like it's just really not okay to have favorite children. Everything else, I feel like even grandparents sometimes have a favorite. It's like the stakes are lower when you're a grandparent. Tell me if this is a universal feeling. I feel like the eldest child child of all your nieces and nephews, Olivia's oldest, your oldest, they just hit different.

Do you know what I mean? They're just really special. I agree with you, but I also don't think it's fair for you to call yet because the other children are not people yet. You have yet to be able to enjoy them.

Let's talk when they're all have personalities and talking to you. You might find that one of the younger ones is always wanting to call Coders, always wants to play with Coders. It's like- Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing which kid will be asking me to buy cigarettes for them because I totally would. Right. What you're saying definitely is possible, but I think it's too soon to call.

Okay. That's such a fair assessment. Thank you. Now, I think if it's okay with you.

Now, without further ado, we're going to get into the fast five stories, and I'm going to do a little bit of a rework today, and everyone's going to be okay with that.

What does that mean? We don't know.

It's four stories, and the fifth one is Tell Me Lies recap because I don't want to just pick a nonsense story when I'm desperate to talk about the show. Historically, I have suggested that, and you've been very principled about the five. Well, no. Usually, when we do that, this is how we sneak it in, guys, a little trade secret.

It'll be like Jackson White, a story about what happened on set.

Something that he said, and then we lead into the TV recap.

Which is seriously just a waste. We do it a lot with reality TV because news happens, a housewife. Katie Maloney has a new boyfriend.

Claudia, that is the story. I know. But that would lead into a Vanderpump recap.

Right. But for the sake of today, literally, the name on everybody's lips is Tommy Lies.

We just need to get to it.

That's what we're doing today. Sometimes I give you guys a sixth. I do that for days like this.

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Our first story, the big news of the day, very tragic news, is that former One Direction member, Liam Payne, has died at the age of 31 after falling from a balcony in Buenos Aires, Argentina, at a hotel from the third floor of his hotel room. On Wednesday, he fell from the third floor of his hotel room at Casa Serra Palermo Hotel in Buenos Aires, according to local officials. The police said in a statement that his fall resulted in extremely serious injuries with medics confirming his death on the spot. Cause of death was internal and external bleeding and injuries, and he died pretty instantaneously.

Jackie, you know when you're reading words and you can't believe it? So first of all, my friend Liz texted me. She was like, Claudia, Liam Payne died. And I actually thought it was some joke. I didn't believe it. And then I just went to Twitter to triple check, and it was there. And I was shocked. It reminded me a lot of how I felt when I heard that Kobe Bryant died. When someone who's not old or sick just vanishes, I was shocked. I could not believe it. What on Earth?

Yeah.

And then so many things started to come out. And on Twitter, I don't know. Do you feel like it all... I feel like we found out with his family. Because he had posted on Snapchat one hour. He had been posting all day. Then when I found out, if you go to his Snapchat, it said one hour ago. It all happened so fast. Then I saw pictures of the inside of his hotel room. Then, and a lot of people are really upset over TMZ posting pictures of his body. Now, it wasn't a full picture, but zoomed in. They cut his head out.

Just to show his tattoos to show that it was him.

They were showing a dead body on the floor, which was insane. I'm telling you, I feel like his family must have found out at the same time as the public. I feel like the hotel I don't think it's a big, fancy private hotel. I just think it got out like, insane. That's how I feel.

Unless who knows who was in the room with him? Because maybe when it happened, they immediately called whoever's closest to him. But it couldn't have been the difference of more than 10 to 30 minutes.

I don't know if anyone was with him because he was on this trip with his girlfriend, and she had left Buenos Aires two days ago.

Right. But there were people in his... There's a picture of him going around that was the last picture of him. I think it was from an hour before. He was in the hotel because he was like, even before- He had been asked to leave the lobby. The lobby, right. I feel like he was upstairs with people. Maybe it was friends or people that he had met. I can't imagine he was completely He was completely alone.

Yeah. But apparently, he was in the lobby acting, strangely. They had called the police, and they kicked him out of the lobby, and they said this person appears to be under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

I've seen a lot of stuff, and I've seen a lot that's probably unverified, but also seen stuff in the news and stuff, and so it's hard to keep apart what's legit. But it does seem like he was partying. I think one of these articles said that he threw himself off the balcony.

Well, so there is not a confirmed... Did he trip? Was he being party, party, and fell over? Did he intentionally? I think it was an accident. But there is no definite... We're not sure yet. No.

Nobody knows what What he was doing out there. Like intentions were. Yeah, what his intentions were. But I do think what is clear is that there was drugs and alcohol involved.

It's so sad for a million reasons. One, he's a young guy who shouldn't be dead. Two, he is a seven-year-old kid. That's devastating. Three, he means a lot to a lot of people. Obviously, his career has shifted in recent years, but what he's known for, it really means a lot. You forget how big and deep the fandom is because they're no longer together. But now I'm seeing so much content about One Direction and the influence it had on so many young girls. I'm in shock. It is so tragic.

Yeah.

Just sad. And I think so many people are obviously wondering what all the other members are thinking and doing and saying, and if they're going to show up. But at the end of the day, this is just a young guy who is a dad, and he should not be dead.

Yeah.

No, it's- It's so sad.

It's very sad. I think there was a lot going on with him in the last few weeks that now, in hindsight, led up to this.

Looks differently.

And looks different and seems to be a cry for help then.

Yeah, but there's also a lot of conversations being had about Maya Henry, who's his ex-girlfriend. A lot of what we're talking about in the last couple of weeks when it comes to Liam Payne is because she's sharing the- Dark side of their relationship. Yeah, and the things that she suffered During their time together. And so I think she's receiving a lot of hate because the timing is obviously bad. But two things can be true, right?

Yeah. And also, not that we could ever even know enough to say, but we don't, not even a fraction, know anything of what happened between what brought him to what was going on with him yesterday, the days before. We just don't know anything. The person is gone, and it's a tragedy.

Liam's current girlfriend had said that the reason why she left is because they were only supposed to be there for four nights. And that was when the concert was that we were talking about Last week, the Niall Horn one. And the trip just kept getting extended and extended. And she's like, I don't want to be away from home for that long. So I left two days ago. To be so far away from home when you pass away and your family's not nearby. It's so many elements of this just make this so So tragic.

Yeah. And even the fact that his girlfriend who he was there with left and he stayed, that's... It's not a good sign. Yeah. There was obviously a lot going on. He was not in a good place, and it led to this. And for it to be just so final is really, really sad.

Yeah. So much of it reminds me, broadly, of Kobe Bryant's death. Remember when Vanessa Bryant ended up suing and winning the case against... Who was that? Against the LAPD, because they had also released photos. Now, a government agency is obviously different than tabloid. But so much of it just reminds me the rollout, too. We all found out. I think the Bryant family found out at the same time as we did. A lot of people found out. A lot of people close to him found out from the media. So it reminded me so much of that, and also just the nature of it being so tragic and such a young, talented, otherwise healthy person. Terrible story. I was so surprised. I can't even put into words how it took me 45 minutes for the letters that I was reading to compute into English. Do you know what I mean?

You called me and told me, and that's exactly what I said to you. I felt like it took me a number of seconds to understand what you just said.

Because what?

Yeah.

It's so sad. Seriously, so sad, especially for his son.

Yeah. I'm sure we'll get more information, and of course, the tributes are rolling in, and we'll keep you posted. But as you said, it's pretty final and just terrible.

Terrible.

Are you ready for our next story? I'm just going to switch the gear.

Yeah, we got to.

I'm going to I'm going to caveat this story by saying it's nothing that you or I will care about, but I know a lot of people are going to care.

So we are doing this in service of others.

We are doing this in service of others to let you know that Sophia Bush is joining Grey's Anatomy.

Oh, yeah. No, I have thoughts. In a recurring roll.

So One Tree Hill, sorry, and Chicago PD star, Sophia Bush, is about to put on some scrubs. She has landed a recurring role on Grey's Anatomy, joining the medical drama's 21st season as Dr. Cass Beckman, a trauma surgeon described as, quote, amiable, fun, and a little messy around the edges. Her role will debut on November seventh, the day after my birthday.

The day after my birthday. Let me tell you things that make sense. You're telling me Sophia Bush wasn't on Grey's Anatomy already?

When I read this article, I was like, Let me just make sure it's not like she was already on it, and now she's going to get a permanent role.

No, let me just make sure this article as in from six years ago. She's on those shows, PD, MD, Chicago, NBC. They're all the same to me.

Yeah, I think this is great. I feel like the Venn diagram of people who love Sophia Bush and watch Grey's Anatomy is mostly a circle.

A thousand %.

Maybe a circle with two little ears, Mickey Mouse. But I think this is really great for the community and for television.

I also think when you're on... Sophia Bush has done a good job. When you think about all the girls from that show, it's a really hard thing to be on an iconic, years-long series and then do what afterwards. I don't think the other girls, really, in terms of acting, ever did that much. They recently had a big podcast, a rewatch podcast with Hillary, Bethany Joylenz, and Sophia Bush. That, I think, ended really poorly. There's beef between the girls. That's over. I think Sophia Bush has actually done a really great job of staying... She's really the definition of a working actor. I think the PD, MD, NBC shows have been really good for her. Grey's Anatomy is just a promotion from that.

I think that's a fair assessment. Another one of the One Tree Hill cast is making a lot of- Bethany. News. Bethany, because she's on the cover of people. She was on Call Her Daddy. I didn't watch One Tree Hill, so I don't know who she plays. If she's not the other girl, Who's the other girl? She's Haley Scott.

Haley Scott, which is Bethany Joy Lens. Hillary Burton, who's Payton. Then Sophia, who is... What's her name in the show? He's on the door, Payton. He's on the damn Who are next to you? What's her name? I don't know.brooke Davis.

Yes. Thank you.brooke..

So yes, the other girl because she was in a cult.

Yeah. And who knew? Maybe that's why she hasn't done much acting because she was silently suffering in a cult. She's now telling her story.

She's now telling her story. So just like, One Tree Hill is having a moment.

It is. They're always having a moment, especially if you live in North Carolina. They go back to that town, Three Hill.

I know. I keep seeing Chad Michael Murray on a basketball court with his brother.

They have reunions in the town where they filmed. I don't think it's really called Tree Hill. I think it's Wilmington or something. And they go to the school where they film. I think it's all for charity, and it's cool. Fans pay to go see. But Chad Michael Murray, Nathan Scott, they all show up.

It's cute. It's cute. I'd never watched an episode of One Tree Hill, and I really confused it with Friday Night Lights a little bit, which I did watch. But Friday Night Lights didn't have Gavin DeGraw, and I'll just say that.

But One Tree Hill didn't have that instrumental theme song. Sorry. Friday Night Lights is not even... This isn't even an opinion, this is just fact, is the greatest TV show ever created. They seriously don't make it.

Better than Desperate Housewives?

It's such a tough question because they're so different. In their respective categories and genres, they're obviously the best. But if I were to pit two against each other, it just depends. Like, what mood am I in? Do I want to cry or do I want to laugh?

I think One Tree Hill has more... I mean, sorry. Friday Night Lights has more heart than Desperate Housewives, but Desperate Housewives has more smarts.

Yeah.

It's hard to hear SMart.

Sound off in the comments. Because I don't even... I think those are the two. What other are the greatest shows?

I'll throw some out there. Not saying these are my colonies. Okay. The OC.

No.

It had one and a half good seasons. Yeah.

Gossip Girl, no.

Gossip Girl, no. I don't know if this isn't really comparable, because now we get into a different category of Mad Men, which then brings you to Game of Thrones. Jones.

By the way, Mad Men and Game of Thrones are definitely up in the top five greatest TV shows of all time.

And I'm going to put in there, Tell Me Lies.

Honestly, agreed.

So Sound off in the comments, what's your number one? It's subjective. There's no right answer is what I'm going to say.

But there are wrong answers.

For other people, like succession.

Wrong. Even Yellowstone, which I love, when we're comparing it to the Friday Night Lights, no, it doesn't. It's not there.

People would say Grey's Anatomy.

I'm sorry. A show that never ends. Part of being a great show is landing the plane at some point. 28 Seasons. Who needs that many shows?

Lost. Gracie's Dad's Show.

Gracie's Dad's Show. I've seen it. It was good. Yeah, it's up there, but I don't...

I'm getting really into Gracie.

She's so good. By the way, I don't know if you know this.

She's JJ's daughter.

Her dad is the guy who created Star Wars. No. I don't know if you know this, but she is our opener for Taylor. I don't know if we were planning on going to the openers because it's so early.

I have to see if she's the direct opener.

You're not going to be able to put the boys down and see Gracie Abrams.

I didn't think I would be able to, but we'll map it out. That's good to know, though. Also, do people say, because I was watching Snitch's concert stories of her, do people say she is very similar to Taylor Swift in terms of Taylor's early work?

I think that as a songwriter, and that's why they're such good friends, is their ability to put to lyrics the feelings we all feel. But I don't know. I don't think there are that many direct comparisons between them. What do you think is similar?

I just think their way of telling stories and capturing young, romantic girl emotions.

What do you think about her and Paul Mescal?

I like it.

I like it, too.

I like it because I don't not like it.

Correct. There's nothing not to like. Exactly.

Exactly. Neither of them have offended me. They're good-looking people who have a great career ahead of them, so not one person is being dragged down by the other.

I do feel, and I don't know Paul Mescal in a personal sense, I could see him taking a moral opposition to nepotivism. Against her privilege. Yeah. I don't know why. I could just see him thinking he's too good for it. But I love that he's so free.

Yeah. Speaking of something that we didn't even talk about that I feel like we needed to was Jacob Alorty and Olivia Jade's Italian Vacation.

I'm so fucking obsessed with these two.

Claudia, so much so I watched her vlog for a minute.

Yeah, of course. Did you look for him because he wasn't in there?

No, I know.

No, she's so... First of all, the way she has come back from largely one of the biggest influencer scandals, probably the biggest, is beyond impressive. And seriously, I feel like when we talk about her now, we don't even think about college admissions, and nobody really comes back from something that big in a way that she has, which is just like, she deserves so much kudos for that because it's the hardest thing to do. Two, she is so fucking cool. She's so naturally cool. You watch her video, she's not even doing anything that crazy. It's like, Please teach me.

No, even the way she's just putting moisturizer on, I'm like, How do I make my hands look like that?

The little dainty fingers. When I put on face cream, it's like, seriously a behemoth scratching their face. She is so delicate, and her style is so unique. Even she wears things, I'm like, The fuck? She looks so good. Good luck putting me in that. She's so natural and time. I know, obviously, it takes an obscene amount of money to be this stylish naturally.

In the vlog, she was shopping at Zara, doing a try on in the dressing room, just picking out simple items, and she just has great style.

I mean this in the most serious way. I would literally take a bullet to be her. Of Of course, nobody's life is perfect. Okay. You look like Olivia Jada and date Jacob Alorde. Down.

Give it a shot. She was making pasta, too. I think that's next for me.

Yeah, I was talking to Shannon. She was saying that Sourdough is next for her, and she might need some starter.

Oh, I need pasta making tips from Shannon because I don't see myself going to Italy soon. You should do it. I think we should have maybe a Zoom. I think I need her up on my computer.

A Zoom, a webinar, a Webex.

That is so funny. We could sell tickets.

Honestly, that's a great business idea. I would buy one.

I would watch it, the replay.

I'm so glad you brought up Olivia Jade and Jacob Alorti. Just two people, and they've really been together for a long time. Remember that first picture of them at the dog park together? She was wearing tights, and they were wearing masks because it was still COVID-y. It's literally been over two years.

They were giving Violet and Zaden from Fourth Wing.

Yes. It's giving... When are you getting married? They've been together for a while.

And by the way, that trip to Italy- Vacationing with her family. It was her family's trip.

Yeah. I was obsessed with those pictures of them on the boat, reading and drinking wine. What were they reading?

Probably Fourth Wing.

No, you know that Olivia Jade is a swirly on TikTok. She was reading a book that we've definitely read.

A hundred %.

Yeah.

You know what? I actually do have a fifth and final story that I'm going to add to the mix. Oh, wow. I just remembered something I wanted to discuss. Great. Are you ready for our next story?

What number?

Number three. I can't believe we made that Sophia Bush last so long.

Oh, yeah. Wow. We are so talented. We are so good at what we do.

Number three. Van der Pump Rules is Katie Maloney reveals she's in love with a new boyfriend. Katie Maloney revealed on her podcast, disrespectfully, with her co-host, Dana, who is Dana from VPR, who should have been on more seasons.

One Season Wonder, agreed.

Who was a great cast member, but she took her talents to the podcasting sphere, and together they do a podcast. Dana asked her, Do you have any life updates that you would like to share? And she said, I'll share. I have a boyfriend. Yeah, I'm in love. She went on to say that he makes me feel really special, and he's really special. And she said, I'm just really, really happy.

So many things. One, sending love to Satchel. Obviously, this must be really hard for him. I hope his friends are checking in on him. The original Satchel. I hope his friends are checking in on him today. I'm actually really happy for Katie Maloney.

She, by the way, she didn't say it's not Satchel.

Oh, my God. That's so true. Maybe they reconnected.

Yeah. Just want to hold space for that.

Katie Maloney was in such a toxic marriage with probably one of the worst husbands to ever exist. She actively knew. It's not like she thought that this was how your husband was supposed to treat you. She literally knew that it was supposed to be different and it was supposed to be better. She took control of that no matter how hard it was and got divorced and actively sought out a normal relationship. She must be in shock. To be with someone- Of what a normal relationship is. Now, I don't know. Maybe it's a terrible relationship.

I'm assuming- Might not even be the right one for her, but if she's happy and it's a good one, then that must just be such a good feeling after years of really being second fiddle to your own husband.

Let's assume it's a good, decent relationship, and he's a nice guy who is nice to women. It must be shocking to her system to see, Oh, my God, this is what all you bitches were doing in your relationship for the last 10 years while I was silently suffocating in the valley. I'm actually so happy for her.

Me too. Then as a consumer of the show, the timing lines up because they are either filming now or about to start filming. If they're in love, then legit, maybe we'll see him. It's not early days. That's what's nice about this. It's not early days.

I'm glad you brought up Dana. I feel like Van der Pump rules, oddly, even though they had this huge surge with Skandival, I think they had this impasse with they don't know where to go from here and how the valley factors in and what the casting is going to I think that Dana is a really fresh... She was a good reality star. It came natural to her. I think that she should be on it.

I think so, too. I feel like maybe it was more of her choice not to because I don't see why they wouldn't have her.

Yeah. In those dark seas Seasons that she was part of, some of the worst TV ever, she was the only bright spot.

I think it was one season. That's how long it felt.

It was. It was one season. But I'm saying that era that was bad for Van der Prump Rules, she is with Charlie and Danika. What was her name?

And Max and Matt. Brex.

Was her her name Danika?

The suspended manager.

Yeah, those were such dark times. Yeah.

Well, happy for Katie Maloney.

Actually, me too.

Are you ready for our fourth story. Yeah. Which is some book news because Pope Francis is making history, not her story.

Memoirs of a Pope?

Memoirs of a Pope. He is writing an autobiography. It's not called Memoirs of a Pope. I'm going to give you the name. No, obviously. But just know it's historic because a sitting Pope has never written a memoir. It was supposed to come out after he died, but instead it's coming out in next January. And this is the title. Just wait. Hope. The Autobiography.

Wow, that is a title. It rises. That's really good. I didn't know what you were going to say.

Of course. What could a Pope even title his book, which apparently he's not supposed to write?

Yeah. I don't know how I feel. The Pope is not my territory. I'm not familiar with his work, his background. I understand the significance, and I obviously have respect for it, but this is not my personal. How do you guys feel, the Catholic swirleies? Do you want to hear from the Pope in a memoir type of format?

Yeah. Here are the deets on Hope, an autobiography that took the 87-year-old Pontiff six years to pen with his co-writer. It will be published next January, just in time for the newly announced 2025 Jubilee of Hope. The upcoming memoir, which follows his March book, Life: My Story Through History, also makes history as the first memoir written by a sitting Pontiff, according to the publisher, Penguin, Random House. The landmark autobiography was originally meant to be published after his death, but inspired by the upcoming year of Jubilee, a rarity that only occurs every 25 years, the pontife decided to release it now.

Now, the sales of the book.

Right. Is he getting a new house?

But I feel like he doesn't keep it. I feel like it goes to the Vatican, the fund, the Fairbank account.

I feel like- I don't think the Pope has personal finances.

Right.

But he could set them up for this book if he wanted to. However, he should put it in the church bowl.

Plate.

The plate. Yeah. Right?

The collection plate.

If you're serious about it, if you mean what you say.

Yeah. It would be honestly majorly scandalous if he was collecting a check in a personal sense. But for what? If you're a Pope, you don't have kids. No.

And it's not like you need a great giant house. You live in the Vatican.

In the biggest house of all.

Yeah. It's not like you take summers down the shore.

Right. And if you do, that's funded by the Vatican.

I'm sure people would love to host you and say the Pope stayed here. I don't really think money is an object.

Me neither.

So I think it should go back to the church.

I think it probably does.

Yeah.

I won't be reading this.

I'm sure if I kept reading, it would tell me that.

It's more fun to guess.

Probably buried at the bottom. Of this article.

This will obviously be one of those books, like Obama's and Matthew McCones, that never leave the New York Times best seller. It'll sell more copies in the Bible. In some senses, it is the Bible.

I don't think so. I think that's really glassmish to say.

Oh, is it? Sorry.

No, just that one man story.

Yeah, he's just a guy.

But it's Bible-related. I'm sure it's in the same genre.

Same shelf.

They'll be competing with the good book. I just think that's pretty sweet.

Is that the story you added?

No, that leads into our fifth and final story, which is actually a beautiful segue, because Amazon has announced new Kindles.

Oh, yes.

Where you can read the Pope's new book.

And I am, just want to say, I'm not thrilled.

Oh, you're not? So here's the big news. The first color Kindle is here. Now, if you have a Kindle, you know how major this is. Amazon just announced four new Kindles, including a revamped paper white. That's for you.

No, it's not.

A more capable scribe. I use my scribe. I like it. Me too. And the first ever color Kindle, which will be exciting for the book covers. But for anything beyond that, I don't really know what the point is.

The colors is also... Do you know when you can highlight something in a Kindle, you're going to be able to highlight in different colors. So it's pink is all your quotes, and yellow is inspiration. That's absurd.

Actually, sometimes I highlight stuff, especially if we're reading for the red heads, things that are so dumb. But then they go into my highlights, and I'm like, my highlights are actually filled with sage wisdom. I read my highlights every few years. I'm like, wow, this is the good book. But then I have a dumb fucking quote in there for something I wanted to make fun of on the redheads. So that's nice that I could categorize My gripe with the relaunch is that about a year ago, they discontinued the Kindle Oasis, which is my favorite Kindle.

It's the first Kindle that has a button for page turning. Also the first Kindle where the back isn't completely flat. There's a little bit of a grip. So just ergonomically, carpal tunnel-wise, I think it's the most accessible. And then they randomly discontinued it. I had to buy three or four on the dark web. I have a couple now because I'm always losing my Kindles. It was just understood that they would be releasing a bigger and better version of the Oasis. And so with this launch, I was really just pleased to find that with all these new versions, four new Kindles, not one of them has a button or a grip.

Yeah. Okay, that's a fair critique. What is that? Except for the Scribe, the big ones we have. Do you ever use that one? That's what I use right now. Of course.

It's flat. It does not have a grip in the back. No, and it doesn't have a button either.

I thought it had buttons.

They were moving into the 21st century with The Oasis, finally giving us a button. You could also still tap, but two different ways to turn. Then they just got rid of it. Why? I don't know.

It's like a company secret. Nobody will tell me. I'll give you one. I'll give you mine.

Jackie, I have four. I literally bought one from a toaster. Amazon sent me three from the backstock because I was being annoying about it, and they gave me some. It's not for me. I used my privilege to- You're worried about everyone else. Yeah. I'm also just genuinely concerned from a product development standpoint, why would you not want to evolve? You did evolve, and people loved it.

I'm sure they have their reasons because they are evolving Four new Kindles, colors.

I don't get a...

New color Kindles on the outside matcha.

Yeah, you can get green ones. Yeah, it's cute.

I just think this- Our satchel, not Katie Maloney's, was at the Kindle event last night. How fabulous.

Not Katie Maloney's.

Not Katie Maloney's satchel. We really do have to specify. You really do. And those are the fast-time stories that you absolutely needed to know.

And just know when I'm talking about satchel, I am always talking about Katie Maloney's satchel, okay?

These days, I'm always talking about our little sister.

I know. It's hard. It's hard when the two people you love share the same name.

And there also is a purse.

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Now, let's get into the reason for the season, the reason Zetair Tell Me Lies.

Tell Me Lies, Season 2, Finale Recap.

So many things happened, and there are so many story lines worth pursuing. But I want to quickly say, there was a conspiracy theory going around last week that so many people told me about. I guess, you two, it completely went over my head. I really believe Diana didn't talk to her dad. He cut off her credit card, and she didn't do well on the LSAT, and she was just in her flop era. I so wish nobody told me about these stupid conspiracy theories because it was true. I want to know how gagged I would have been if I didn't expect it. Because once somebody told me that, I was like, Oh, duh. Diana's not stupid.

Well, when Diana said she did bad on her LSAT, I actually thought that she was lying, that she actually did good, and she was ready to split away from Steven. However, then a few things happened, and I was like, Oh, no, never mind, because she I didn't go home for Thanksgiving. And then-Credit card. Her credit card was canceled, and I was like, Oh, she really is cut off by her dad. But I didn't think she was actually taking this shit all the way in the way that she did. When she got in her dad's car, rolled down the window, and felt the wind on her face, that's my queen right there. And for, no, I think three weeks, I was doubting my girl like, oh, you know that he was in the car with Macy and his rib is broken and you're still lying for him. And I'm sorry to my queen for doubting my queen, because that's my queen right there. No.

And the episode, this whole season, but mostly the last episode, Everybody is worse off. Everybody's lives are in despair. Everyone has made poor decisions or terrible things have happened, and they have ended up so at a loss. Diana is the only one who came out on top. She's going to law school. She's out of this She's out of this group. She's out of this school. She's graduating, and she's rich.

She has one more semester, by the way. This is only winter break.

Oh, right. Okay, sorry. But she can survive one semester.

Yeah. Now, Steven wants something to do with her because he thinks she's a useless idiot, and that is great for Diana. I love that for her. However, she is still in the group because her and Pippa have this connection.

Okay, so that's first. Now, let's go to Lucy, who did this crazy thing.

There's one more part of the Diana theory that I don't know if it will come true.

The paper. Don't tell me. No, you told me. Yeah. Steven had written a paper for her. If he finds out that she is actually in great academic standing, he does have something he can threaten her with being like, Look, she plagiarized. This whole paper for her. Remember when her computer died or something?

Right. So hopefully that does not happen. I need my queen to stay winning.

In the future, she appears to be doing well. When we saw her apartment, she was in this big- She comes from money.

She's just rich. So who knows?

I'll be so mad. How did this group of people all end up at the same college? I never met anyone like this in college. These people are not real.

No, these people are not real. Now, who do we want to tackle next? Lucy?

Lucy makes a decision to fuck Steven, immediately regrets it, and she thinks that getting back together with Leo will make her feel better. It does temporarily until she realizes getting back together with him means having sex with him right after she had sex with Steven. That scene was really uncomfortable to watch. Then she also thinks it's a good idea to go to a party where she knows she's just going to run into Steven. Then that whole physical kerfuffle happens. I wasn't mad watching Leo beat up Steven. I was like, You know what? Finally, somebody needs to kick this guy's ass. He was loving it.

He was right for that. Then the fact that it ends and he's the bad guy. It's like, No, Lucy, you are still the one that No.

I mean, how lucky is Lucy? She never had to answer for her sins because he went nuts and beat the shit out of Steven.

That was so crazy what she did. Also, it made me realize she could have gotten back together with Leo at any point in the last few weeks or even, I don't know, the next day to go from sleeping with Steven, right? To sleeping with Leo. It's crazy behavior.

I was wondering where they were focusing on her underwear so much. I was just like, so many times I saw her red, shiny underwear. I understand now it was a plot device. That was really well done, honestly, by the My jaw was on the floor. We didn't make any progress in the storyline about her lying to everyone about having been drugged by Lydia's brother. That's obviously still something looming. Yes. But it appears now that Steven And what's her name? Lydia. Lucy never quit each other. After college, this is a thing. They go back and forth. They hurt each other. They get back together. They fuck. So even him being with Lydia, it's just to fuck with Lucy. It's all this big, stupid game. I can't with these people. Seriously. It's seriously... So it's 2008, and she's a sophomore. So she graduates in 2011. And so she then is with this fucked up dynamic for four years. Then another four years because it's 2015 now, so it's an eight-year long game that they're playing. Yeah. Now, at first I saw Lucy as a victim of Stevens. I don't really see her that way anymore. I think they're both equally culpable in the big relationship and the game that they play with each other.

There are ways for her to move on. When she texted him to come to the pool to watch her hooking up with her boyfriend, that's when to me, she's no longer... The whole time that the weddings, things are happening, she's trying to stay away from him. She's so nervous. She doesn't want Max to talk to him. Maybe because she doesn't want Max, maybe they hooked up a week ago and she doesn't want Max to know that.

The assumption was that they haven't spoken, but they definitely have.

I mean, they probably have. She's very much still playing this game with him. And this whole season was really redemptive for Lucy. I really felt bad for her. And even though she did really terrible things in the first season, she was under the influence of Steven. She was really trying to make amends. Like she said, she spent the whole semester just trying to, in her own way, apologize for the things that she did and be there for her friends without telling them what she did, because otherwise she'd have to transfer. And so then for her to... And I could even forgive her hooking up with Steven again because she's not completely healed, whatever. But eight years later, we're still doing this. No, the two of you are both garbage. Goodbye.

Now, I want to know how Steven kept a voice memo from a Motorola Razer to an iPhone. There's literally no way to keep a voice memo for seven years. How many different phones? You get a new phone every two years. Oh, my God.

When he recorded that, he knew that he was going to need it one day. He probably emailed it to himself, and it was in his email. From a Motorola?

I don't think you could even email off a phone.

Use a USB. You could get something if you needed to. Okay. And by the way, it's not like he was going to let that nugget go.

Now, another thing, a lot of loose ends were tied up. We realized how certain things ended the way that they did. But a lot of things are still in the air. Who is this person calling Bri the days leading up to her wedding? I think they want us to assume it's Oliver, but I don't think that it is. That's so obvious. People are saying it's Maryanne. People are saying that it's Leo. Because where does Leo go from here? Is he just a discarded cast member? No, they don't do that. Everyone is incestual. I don't know.

In the credits, he's guest starring. I don't know if he's a full-time cast member, but I'm sure it is someone that we already know. But I do want to talk about the Maryanne Oliver-Bree situation because everybody in the show is like, Bree was wronged. No, she wasn't. She was doing something really terrible. Just because it turned out that they were actually doing something worse doesn't take away from the fact that what she was doing was so terrible. And she should actually have been relieved that she actually wasn't as bad of a person as she thought that she was. And what she was doing was actually not as bad as she thought that it was.

But I guess the assumption is that what she was doing, while she knew having an affair with a married man is bad, because he's so much older and in a position of power as a teacher at the school, even though, and he said she really did pursue him, You're like, he's really supposed to know better than to ever start a relationship with a student and one who's 30 years younger.

That was true the entire time. The facts of the case haven't changed. If anything, her guilty conscience should be absolved. Instead, she thinks that what Maryanne... Like Maryanne said, it was better when I was just a sad wife who didn't know, but you still did the same thing.

The insinuation was that Maryanne and Oliver's marriage isn't what it appears to be because she was crying at the end.

I don't know why she was crying.

She also said to Lucy, I'm so glad he didn't meet you first. She also said, You're trying to hurt me, but you can't say anything to me that's already not been said or whatever. I feel like Maryanne was his student. I feel like there's a backstory there.

I think the only thing that would really make Oliver a true monster, because him having an open relationship and then meeting someone, and yes, the student-teacher dynamic is completely wrong, but that was always the case when people were shipping them, by the way, is if he has a pattern of wooing students. It's always every semester, every year, it's a different student, and Maryanne has been in this situation so many times, and maybe she's in an open relationship because that's the only way to keep her husband who she loves with her. But I think if it's very much a student obsession, and she is 19, he is much older, but they didn't even say that. Marion didn't even say, You're not the first student. Just another student. No.

Yeah.

So I just feel like- By the way, I was gagged when we found out that just randomly, that Evan was his student. Oh, yeah.

Not that it doesn't mean it would change anything. I was just like, Oh, oh, oh.

Yeah. No, when Mariam was walking into the room where Bri was putting her clothes in, I was fucking freaking out. For her not even to get the tongue lashing that I thought was coming, she should have She should have been like, Bye, freaks, and just been so thankful. Her whole life could have been ruined.

She should have been, Bye, freaks. Seriously, these people are weird as hell. Get out.

Her whole life, if Mariam didn't know, and if it was what Bri thought it was, and by the way, Bre went over to his house. They're hooking up in her bed. What she was doing was so wrong. She should have been so thankful in that moment that she got away with it and wasn't brought to a disciplinary hearing. Everyone knew that she slept with the professor. She got away with it, and she's mad that she got away with it? That it wasn't as bad of a thing that she did as she thought it was?

Now, we have known since the very first season that something happens with Drew. It was under my assumption that perhaps he took his own life because he was going through this really tough thing and struggling with guilt. The way it ended up happening was literally so much more sad. It was so hard to watch. When they were drinking and taking pills, I just knew something bad was going to happen. I didn't know if this was going to be it.

I didn't think it was going to be it. I thought it was going to lead to addiction or something. Yeah.

I had such a pit.

I certainly thought that maybe Drew would find out that Wrigley was with Pippa again, and that would come between them again. I thought that the story was going to keep going on. I thought he would overhear him leaving a voicemail for Pippa or Cianna. I just did not think it was ending the next day.

No, it was so sad. Then Steven sharing with Wrigley that he was the one who wrote the letter. I don't know what that does for anyone.

Well, it allows the letter to be written without anyone really suffering consequences because Steven was able to spin it as a helpful thing that he did. And that actually worked for me because Lucy, yes, she wrote the letter, but Steven pushed her write it. And Steven's the one who told Lucy, Steven is the reason why- He's not not responsible. Steven is the reason why the letter was written. I'm glad that they now know that it wasn't Pippa. I'm glad that they know that's where it came from. So even though that's not the complete truth, I actually thought the letter gate tied up nicely with Steven doing that. And also explains why now Lucy's going to fall back again for Steven because he did this huge thing for her and absorbed her of a lot of guilt.

I also think in that moment, because this is before he found out about Evan and Lucy, I think he really did love Lucy. The fact that they could be the worst versions of themselves and still like each other, I think he was really into that because he's so fucked up. Him finding out that her and Evan, I feel like in that moment, he actually stopped loving Lucy. He wants to fuck with her, and he wants to play these games. But for him, for some reason, that was the line.

Well, that is a big thing with him. Even Wrigley and Pippa, hooking up freshman year, he punished Wrigley. What did he even do to Wrigley? Is that why he told Lucy?

No, not Wrigley and Pippa, Wrigley and Diana.

Wrigley and Diana, sorry.

Yeah, he's just fucking crazy and territorial.

Yeah, but he did something to Wrigley when he found out about that. Was that what made Lucy write the letter?

No, he found out about it this season. Did he? In the beginning, yeah. He just was a dick to Wrigley all season long. It gave him really bad advice, especially about Drew. The Drew thing was so sad. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Someone said, How do you come back from that? I do not know how you come back from that, Wrigley.

When he said, I don't know how I'm going to look my mother in the face, because he's supposed to be this older brother, this protector, and he was the one providing the drugs. I'm sure his parents don't know that they do drugs.

Horrible. Terrible.

It's such a pit.

Yeah. It doesn't It showed well for Wrigley and Pippa because Wrigley has now a lot of healing to do.

Then the big final thing was the voicemail that Brie eventually ends up hearing right before walking down the aisle, blowing the case wide open that her fiancé has been lying to her for eight years, and her best friend lying to her for years. They have this big secret.

Honestly- I think Bri is still walking down the aisle.

Because if she doesn't, that's dumb. Evan's a good guy.

Whatever.

No, and I think that- It's 10 years ago.

No, and I think that Bri isn't in love with Evan. I think she fell out of love with him. She was very naive. When they first got together, she fell out of love with him so quickly. I don't think that she has blinders on. I think her marrying him, I think he's a really nice guy. It's a good marriage. He loves her so much. It's a good marriage. He comes from a great family. Given how she grew up. Family. She wants family. She wants stability. And those things don't change just because he hooked up with Lucy eight years ago. However, her friendship with Lucy now changes.

Yeah, it means more the Lucy of it all than the Evan of it all.

For Bre. Not for anyone else. But I think like three reasons for walking down the aisle. She's obviously also running away from something on her phone. She's still walking down the aisle, I think.

Diana saying, it's unsettling when you don't know where he is. Slay. Yeah.

She's such a slay. She's such a slay.

She bet her to filth. Agreed. And honestly, I ship her and Pippa. At first, I was like, What? No, I ship.

Yeah. And also we need Diana at the wedding. Correct.

We need Diana in the mix. That's the vehicle to get her there is Pippa, I'm down. Yeah. So such a good show, such a good season.

It was such a good episode. It was genuinely perfect. So many things were tied up while also opening new cases wide open. Yeah. Next season is going to be so good. It was just really, really amazing.

When Grace Van Patten had done an interview being like, so much of her character is really inspired by Vanerpump Rules, and she was saying how Stasi, she watched as a character steady. The episode last night really reminded me so much of Vanerpump Rules, just given how incestuous this group is. That's why someone's saying that the guy calling her as Leo. I wouldn't be surprised.

That's true.

They just recycle everyone in this group.

Yeah. I do wonder who it Who else do we know on the show?

I can't remember a time where I... I didn't read the book, so maybe I'm not as attached to it, but I feel like the show is so acclaimed in addition to the book being so popular, and they've been able to stretch it and create new narratives and new characters and new things. Because the book ended a while ago. This is not in the book. No. It's so impressive. It's really a feat for the literature swirleies.

It is. It's Emma Roberts' production company. Yeah, Queen. Of course, Carola Lovering, Queen. Queen.

And Megan Oppenheimer, that's a showrunner, Queen.

Yeah.

So that is our show. That's a Tell Me Lies recap that you needed to hear in a biblical sense. Tomorrow's episode will be Jackson Claude in Person from Florida Toast HQ. I'll see you then.

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