Transcript of Thankful Self-Aware Cogs: Tuesday, November 26th, 2024

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Tuesday. That feels like a Friday because we're fucking celebrating. Bitch, that's right. It's the last toast of the week. And while you might be crying, I am singing because my work week is over. Yours probably isn't. And I'm really sorry, but mine is. Even though I have so much work to do tomorrow, actually, I'm working a full day tomorrow. Right.

Really sorry that we had the foresight, couple of geniuses here. We had the foresight to take off the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. And I just want to say thank you- To us. To Jackson Claude of yours who made that decision. But the good news is, I know you're probably like, what the fuck? I wasn't ready. The good news is there's so much good news. First of all, Claudia and I recorded a Patreon episode yesterday that's going up tomorrow morning. So if you need your daily dose of toast, head to petreon. Com/thetoast. It's a really fun episode because unlike other toasts, it's the fast five stories that you need for the Thanksgiving dinner table. A couple of ice breakers, non-divisive things to talk about with your family and friends.

It's an annual episode Jack and I record every year. Just try to leave you guys for the holiday season with good non-hot topics to talk about, literally moronic things going on in the country that you can bring up with family you hate, family you disagree with, family you feel awkward around. The episode was so funny. Then we also go into, of course, what are we thankful for this season. It was a very beautiful way to tie up. If you're looking for an episode tomorrow, you still have to work. It'll be released at 9:00 AM. It's already been recorded. Then Thursday is Thanksgiving. I know some people do have to go back to work on Friday, so we also have an episode coming out Friday. Me and Ben Soff are celebrity. We are podcasting together. We haven't heard from him since the big news.

We haven't heard from the two of you together. I'm sure he talks about it on Good Guys. I heard he said some nice stuff.

Yeah, he did.

But the two of you together need to share how you're feeling as couple. So I'm really excited for you guys to get in the booth.

Of course. And I think that what a lot of people heard on pregnant, they said, What does this mean for BSC? So we're going to hear, What does it mean?

For BSC.

So we got you covered this week while we're taking some time. We do.

So I don't... That's why we're extra celebrating and rubbing in your face. Because we're prepared. We don't even feel so bad because we've got you covered, and now we get to be off and enjoy the best time of year.

It is monsooning. I woke up, I'm like, Oh, it must be 4:00 in the morning. It was 7:30. It is seriously so dark outside. And of course, I have to spend the afternoon out and about traversing, looking for studio spaces because, yeah, the studio that I had found for last time, I updated you guys about my new great studio that's half the price. Well, I found out why it was half the price. It was the craziest lease ever. And I can't. Seriously, if I put that lease in our company name, we would be ruined financially. It was seriously setting us up for bankruptcy.

With what it entailed, you'd be better I was buying office space. That would have been a better use of your money.

Or paying triple in rent. It was seriously... So today, me and Ben's sister, she's been so steadfast in this process. But she found an office building with Studio Space that literally could... It might as well be in my apartment building. It's so close. So you know what? I'm holding out how maybe it's meant to be, but just know I was bragging a couple of weeks ago. I ain't moving for a while.

And I know a part of you is happy. Why? Because you love staying where you are. I feel like you weren't looking forward to moving.

I actually was for a multitude of reasons. One, there's so much construction going on in this building. It's really hindering my ability to record premium audio. And two, at one point in my life, maybe last year when I was really at my peak active lifestyle, I found the walk to be really just the perfect amount of blocks. Distant. These days, it's about three blocks too long. Ben drove me to work today. My first trimester, Ben drove me to work for an entire month. Oh, and fun fact Ben and driving. Our car, we've noticed literally a couple of days ago, has three flat tires. Jackie? Oh, my God. It seriously will not stop Ben's hopper. He's been driving all morning. He had to run up town to do some errands. He drove all day yesterday, all day today. The car is being serviced. It picked up tomorrow. But you would never know we had three flat tires based on how frequently Ben's been using the car. He dropped me off today. I turned around.

It's deflated. To watch him drive away. The car is on the floor.

Oh, my God. I was cracking up so hard. Oh, my God. Ben drives so aggressively, too. So he's this big, aggressive driver.

But he can't go anywhere. Wait, how did that happen? Did it all happen at once? No. Did someone slash your tires? No.

So on the dash, it always tells you when your tire pressure is low. And one by one, they started to light up, and we just ignored it. And we were like, Okay, air pressure, but no, it's literally flat.

Oh my gosh.

Oh my God, Jackie, it's the funniest thing.

That is so crazy. If that ever happens, where I have a flat tire-New car. Just get rid of the car. I'm not dealing with that.

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Oh, I know. On a new collab. I didn't know it was today.

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Thank you, turtsociety. Com.

We should start the turt society. A competitor to Spritz.

To Spritz. Yeah, I will be a founding member. That's the only society I want to be a part of, is the turt society.

Yeah, and the tortured dead poets. What do we do? What do we do?

The Tortured Dead Poets. What do we do at Tortured Society? We get lit. You have to join to find out.

You have to join to find out, yeah. It's a a members-only thing.

For sure. For damn sure.

We have a great show. It's Tuesday, which this- There's a lot to do.

Even though we're about to head off into the sunset, not without doing so much work.

It's Tuesday. In this season of our lives, Tuesday means Dear Toaster is our weekly advice segment. That will be at the end of the show. We've got meaty stories. I feel like there's a lot going on in the world.

There is. I actually have eight stories up on my iPad, and when you do the ads, I'm going to whittle it down to five, but I might sneak a few extras in there. So today is Tuesday.

I just want to make sure you don't cut. I know you chose that the interviewer from Defying Gravity, Holding Space, she did a follow-up interview about how her life has changed. Don't cut that.

Yes. Okay, I won't cut it. But today is a Tuesday. That feels like a Friday, but also a Wednesday because we're doing Deer Toaster.

It's so confusing to be us.

But for you guys, it might feel like a Thursday because you're working tomorrow.

I knew it's so much better because it could feel like a Tuesday, which it is.

Yeah. So this week is just such a great week on the Cal. I want to thank everyone who planned it up high at federalholidays. Com.

I want to ask you if you would like to respond to some of the criticism you received from yesterday's episode. The comments were ablaze.

Sure. What's the charge?

Jackie and I were discussing Ariana Grande, and Jackie had said- About how she always wanted to be in Wicked, but she wanted to be Alphaba.

Everyone's saying, Do you want to be Glenda? Do you want to be Glenda? There's a tweet from 2011. Okay, I'm sure there's a tweet from 2011, but she literally said on the Zack sing show during the Seven Rings era that her dream is wicked, always been wicked. She would do anything for wicked, and it's Alphaba. But she would do either. But she leads with Alphaba. That's also why she did The Wizard and I when she did the anniversary. There's also all these videos of her singing Wicked throughout her life, and she typically goes for The Wizard and I in Defying Gravity. Now, she also did that popular song collab with Mika.

I'm all about popular.

Also, she met Kristen Chen with me when she was on Broadway. She's had an affinity for both. But she said on the Zack saying show, Alphaba would be her first choice. That's what I was quoting.

And by the way, I think what people were referring to is during this press junket, I think unlike Jimmy Fallon, she had said that they wanted her to audition for both, and she was happy to do both. But she really preferred Glinda. But they knew because of her voice and her Wizard and I cover that they had wanted her just to sing for Alphaba, but she was hoping that it was going to be Glinda. I think everybody's right.

Yeah, I think everybody's right. She said both. I think she truly would have been happy with either and is happy with either. We're all right. Then also, I guess, Fierro becomes the Tin Man. No. Fierro becomes the scarecrow and Bach becomes the Tin Man. That makes no difference to me.

I'll figure it out in part two.

I was just saying, these characters become those characters. I don't really care who's who. So there's the other Q-rection.

I didn't think that required a Q-rection, obviously.

But that's also what they were in a tizy about.

No, Wicked is really... It's starting a lot of conversations.

Yeah, good conversations. Everyone's having a lot of fun, and you love to see it.

I think a lot of people are trying to identify within themselves whomst they are.

Oh, yeah. We had a big conversation with Saatchi yesterday. Do you Margot still met with us? Probably. Olivia hasn't seen the movie, so- I don't want to spoil her. And of course, she's seen the show. But if you asked me five days ago, Are you with Glinda? Or Elphabite, say, Stop asking me these stupid questions. You have to see the movie to care about this question right now. So we were talking with Saatchi about who she is, and feelings were hurt. She left the chat.

She left the chat because we said that she was Nessa Rose. Because she was saying, Am I an Alphaberg, Linda? Am I an Alphaberg, Linda? And Honestly, we didn't feel like she really fit the criteria for either one of them. So we looked to other characters and we said, Okay, you're Nessa Rose. And she actually got so offended, she left the job.

Yeah. At first, when I was talking to her privately, I said that she was the Wizard, this big omnice figure that you can't really get a hold of. She didn't like that either. I don't know what she wanted to hear.

She only wants to hear that she's Elfaba.

Who the fuck else is there? We're not going to have two Elfabas in this situation.

I actually think there is no snitchy representation in Wicked, and that's okay.

That is okay. I was also saying it depends on the context. If she's playing the game with Emily, she could be the Elfaba and Emily is the Glinda.

But we were talking in the context of our family.

In the context of me being Elfaba and you being Glinda, then yeah, she's the little sister who wants nothing to do with her big green cis.

Nessa. By the way, this conversation, she's Jackie. We're digging ourselves into a deeper grave. She's going to be mad at us for saying it. I actually think she's not speaking to us.

I think so, too. Wicked is starting drama.

Yeah, inter-family drama.

Seriously, who did she want us to say? Ms. Marble? Marble. Who said she's Bow and Yang? She is.

She is. That's the thing about Satya. She's so dynamic. She could really be any of them except for Alphab.

It depends who she's talking to. Correct. She could be any of them except for Alphab.

Listen, I'm having a lot of fun with you, but we have business to attend to. I feel like we have mini stories and Deer Toaster's, and I want to be able to give it 100%. I'm at this place. I saw somebody... Oh, my God. Not me having a stroke. I saw somebody making fun of me. Claudia is so dramatic. She can't go one hour without eating because in the middle of the podcast yesterday, I literally almost fainted, so I had a bite of my yogurt. I always keep a provision on my table. I have a Fiber One bar today. Am I unique in my pregnancy? If a period of time goes by without eating an hour, I feel sick.

No. Also, I saw someone ate up that commenter by saying, You've obviously never been pregnant, so they took care of themselves. Also, baby's hungry. Sure, maybe you could wait another 20 minutes, but baby is hungry.

Let me deprive my child to make you comfortable. I don't think so.

I was probably talking, you probably put your mic away. It's really just it's bothering you that she ate, not that you heard it or that you saw it, just you don't like the fact that she had to eat during the podcast. You feel disrespected.

Get over it. Here's a little tip to anybody who is looking to start podcast while also snacking on something. Yogurt is the perfect thing. You really don't hear it. I have a fiber one bar today. It's chewy, it's crunchy. It's not going to be good. So I'll do my best to keep it at bay. But a yogurt, it's pargy. No nothing in it. No crunchy. Some people put like, granola and shit. No. You don't chew. You just swallow.

As long as I'm speaking and you move the microphone, do what you need to do.

Thanks, Jack. Just move the microphone.

So now, without further ado, here are the fast five stories that you need to know.

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Thank you, Sash Chard.

What can I say, except you're welcome.

And that's an ad for Moana, too.

Yeah, it is. Oh, my God. I watched Sheopardy last night. They're really out of control. Almost Yeah, they had a sponsored Moana.

What the fuck were the questions?

They were actually good. It was about the geography of the Polynesian Islands. So they were actually very intellectual questions. It wasn't about... Actually, there was one question where you had to identify, and it was Maui. That was really stupid. The others were like, Which tribe, which native land? If you're smart, you would know it. That's cool. Do you know who won the episode last night? A newcomer. Do you know what he does for a living?

He's a podcaster?

He's a priest. He was wearing a priest neck thing. I just thought it was crazy. There were a couple of categories.

Kind of like how we're wearing today.

There were a couple of categories that were a little risque that he got every single answer right in the cocktail one.

That's a little sus, don't you find?

Yeah, but he was really smart. We'll be seeing him again tonight.

Interesting. We're wearing these outfits in solidarity with him. Amen. That's a little sus. You don't want your priest to know all the risque answers, but okay. Yeah.

But I guess when you can't get married, you can't date or have sex, you just study. You turn to Trivia. You study. You study the Bible. You study everything. I guess, are priests allowed to drink?

Yeah. I don't know.

Wine.

Wine, of course.

That movie Raising Helen really threw me through a loop because she ends up falling in love and dating a pastor. Pastors can have families and get married.

Yeah, and they do have Family, Seventh Heaven.

Correct.

Yeah, it's true.

And that movie did a lot for me.

Anyways, our first story, some Bravo news. Tom Sandoval and Tom Schwartz's namesake bar, Schwartz & Sandies, is closing after just two years. Schwartz & Sandies is closing after opening to the public in November 2022. The Toms announced the news via Instagram on Monday with personal statements on the situation.

If this was me, this is information you would have had to waterboard out of me. The fact that they freely put out a statement, admitting after everything, I would have just quietly shut it down. Yeah, everybody would have talked about it, but I don't know when the hell Van der Prump rules is coming back. To admit, I don't know who... There are so many people who feel vindicated. Obviously, Katie Maloney, right? Everyone who hates Tom Sandoval. Ariana, of course. But then it's like, this affects so many people. What about that money that Tom Sandoval took from his retired mother? You You couldn't have tortured this information out of me.

Right. But they also in their statements, towards the end of their statements, they had a plea, Have your party here. We're closing. Have this year. A holiday party, lizard funeral, whatever. Maybe they need a little bit more business just to pay off the creditors.

You know what it sounds like? There is a commercial. Since I'm a child of lumber liquidators going out of business sale, but they've been going out of business since I'm six. But I think they do very well because everybody thinks it's the last opportunity to get lumber to liquidate. So maybe that's what they're doing. They're permanently in a state of going out of business to generate sales.

Yeah, and everyone thinks they're getting a discount. Now, I just want to say I have never been a fan of Shorts and Sandys. I didn't like the name. I thought they were wrong for it. Too big of a space. All the issues that everyone had with it, I'm so there. They totally mismanaged the situation. When you have your name on a building, you've got to act right in your personal life. And Sandoval completely fucking fumbled the ball. However, this news actually did not bring me joy.

No, me neither. It only brought me joy because I love to see Tom Sandoval fail. That actually makes me extremely happy. But their business partner, who was just a restauranteur who put a lot of money into this, Tom Sandoval's like, Triplet Brothers, all put money. I could cry just thinking about all the regular folk who thought this was a good investment, putting their money in the hands of two idiots. That makes me sad. I completely agree.

At the end of the day, it's a small business that failed. There's a lot of people that work there. You don't want to see it go out of business. Now, I know he did the crime, and he's to do the time, and this is all the consequences of his actions, period. But it affects a lot of other people, and it's just like, I don't love to see it. Even when people were taking out their anger about Skandival and going to the restaurant and pick it in.

Evangelizing the bathroom.

Keep your eyeer online where it started. Let me ask you a question.

Do you think that this bar failing is a direct result of Skandival, or it was always going to fail, even if the show had continued and he didn't have an affair with Raquel?

It was a poorly managed business. I think it wouldn't have had so much longevity for the aforementioned reasons, but I think it failed this quickly because of Skandival. I don't think they could recover. They opened after months of investment and months of waiting and building to really, maybe they had a few good months before it was completely boycotted. Now people, it's not just interest in Vannerpump Rules has waved. Now people are taking a stand and they don't want to go there. I think that it is happening now because of Skandival, and they just couldn't... They had no business.

Yeah. No, I agree. I don't think it was ever going to be a gangbusters type of facility, but this is very quick.

I think for as long as the show went on, the business could have gone on. There are so many other bars that are affiliated with this world, but people are taking a moral stand by not going to this business to punish him. I think that's all a result of Skandival.

I don't know if you saw this because it happened this morning, a little adjacent Van der Pol's News.

Yes, I did. That's part B of this story. Kristen Doty is pregnant.

I'm really happy for her.

Me as well. She shared that her and Luke, they're engaged now, but they conceived via IUI. She shared on season one of The Valley how she was trying to get pregnant, and then they had pregnancy loss. And then early this year, they were back trying, and they got pregnant on the first try of IUI. That's so great.

I'm really happy for her.

Yeah, me too. And should all be unfolding on season 2 of The Valley.

Yeah, and it feels like Valley is really progressing. There's a lot going on with the cast, and I hear a lot about production updates. And I can't say the same for Vanerpump Rules. It seems like everything's at a standstill.

So I heard about Vannerpump Rules. I think I saw this on Dumont. It seemed like a really good theory that the reason why Vannerpump Rules is going to end after this season is because the show is too expensive now. The cast members get paid too much.

Like a million dollars a season. There's so many of them.

That's what they deserve after being on 12 seasons of reality TV. And so paying millions in cast salaries, and it's just that's not- That's a good theory. A good financial decision. So even though everybody wants to do it and everybody is doing this next season, she said everybody is doing this next season. So that includes Ariana and Tom. It's just too expensive of a show. And when you think how these reality shows start out, it's people making $20,000 a season. Not even. The budgets for the show are low. The overhead is low.

They take road trips.

It gets just too big. Big, and that's what we're seeing.

That's a very good theory, and I could see that. Even if it was a successful show at Bravo, I think it gets really hard with reality shows just in general being less popular, cable network reality shows. So you really can't. A new show, that's why Roni I think that probably had a lot to do with why Roni Legacy. They were all OGs. They were all getting paid at least a million dollars a season. Now you're paying Rebecca Minkoff $10,000. You start fresh.

When you start over, you get to start fresh. It actually makes a lot of sense as to why shows would start over even before they need to.

Even a successful franchise, successful is different than what it used to mean. I don't think even a successful franchise can make money or be successful when you have that much in cast salaries. That's a very good point.

Yeah. So even though some of them might now go over to the Valley, they might have to take a pay cut. But I actually think now in thinking about it this way, it's worth... Say you don't make a lot of money from your season of the show. The opportunities that it brings you and the potential for earning I think is worth doing.

A thousand %. The show. Other reality shows, Instagram, followers, appearances, 1,000 %.

I think things got a little out of control, and people are making them... But that's also what happens when you bring on the Denise Richards is, and they're making $2 million just to come on the show. And then the people who build the show are like, Well, we want more then.

I feel like a good example of someone that's doing it well is Southern Charm, because if you actually think it's such a big cast, but who is an Ogie now? Like, Shep, Craig.

Shep and Craig are the only OGs. Is that it? Yeah. Austin has been around a while.

They're the only ones probably making around a million dollars a season. I think at that level, you're getting paid $30,000 to $50,000 an episode, and you do 15, 20 episodes. It's actually good How they've shed over the years, original cast mates, because if there was 10 of them, you can't afford that.

Yeah. That's the latest in the Vanderprump world.

Lots going on.

Yeah. Our next story, The Holding Space for Defying Gravity viral journalist is talking about getting recognized in public selling merch and what on earth she meant. So Variety sat down with the journalist, whose name is Tracy E. Gilchrist. She's such a Tracy. She's such a Tracy, and she's being asked all the questions about what she meant, how the reaction is affecting her, what she thinks about it. So she's talking about the day at the Junket, which was actually weeks ago. She said this didn't go viral to a weeks after the interview and her phone started blowing up, and she's just riding this wave. She was also asked how she would define holding space, which I think is a good question. Actually, she gave us good of an answer as you could possibly give.

Show me to me, please.

She said, I was very inspired by Tony Morrison from Glad. He posted the lyrics of Defying Gravity before I did my interview. It was a great explainer. Holding space is being physically, emotionally, and mentally present with someone or something. For me, it means being in the moment, not being distracted, and feeling something on a cellular level. I think you can hold space with lyrics of a song, one you've heard 100 times, and it can suddenly take on a new meaning when you're a queer person.

Okay, so it's paying attention.

Yeah, It's giving resonating.

Yeah, and seeing something perhaps for the first time.

Through a new lens, the lyrics of Defying Garbony are really resonating with people is really, I think- What she meant. What she meant. Now, I thought the most- And then Cynthia is saying, Good That's what I wanted.

Well, so the most interesting part of this interview was when she's asked very specifically why she said that question, she said, That actually was not my question. It was a lead up to the question. I was going to say, A lot of people are holding space for lyrics and finding power in that. What do you think that means? But she said Cynthia had such a reaction to that lead-up portion that she just wrote it. She was really unexpected. That was really unexpected. When she said, I'm in queer media, she was like, I I literally didn't know what to say because she's having this... Cynthia is having this emotional moment, and you don't want to follow it up with a question because let her have her moment. So you just offer supplemental information, and I'm in queer media.

She also said She said in the interview that she was seeing that on social media, people holding space. But she said, actually, most of it came from a conversation with her friend. She was using that to tee up the question. She was thrown off by Cynthia's response, and she could have said, I have all these friends, and this is our conversation. But instead, she said, I'm in queer media.

Honestly, I think what I thought this journalist would have been like in real life, it seems to me that she's not. She just seemed like she's someone who takes herself so seriously. I'm like, Okay, it's wicked. And reading this interview, I was like, Oh, my God, she's literally just a girly. It was this accident.

I feel like she is... That five seconds that we got of her, now we're getting an extrapolated version, and it's the same. But the good news is, she has a sense of humor about it, and she thinks it's awesome. She They were asking, What's next? You're going to sell merch? They're comparing it to the Eric Demierre, Very Mindful. They said they haven't been in a viral moment like that since then. She said that she's a little slower than the internet. Friends of hers were telling her to get a merch store up and running. She said she's already seen T-shirts and ball caps. She said she has not considered the full breadth of what this might be. I had a podcast with The Advocate several years ago, so who knows? Maybe a little podcast. Stop. I love her.

Jackie. I feel for Anyone who works in media, to get this recognition, you can't even dream of attention like this. But also she's really become a gay icon, which I feel for a gay woman is probably the best thing that could happen to you. Everybody's wearing T-shirts with her face on it. Everybody's quoting her. I'm actually so happy for this lady. The more I hear from her in this interview, she sounds like... To me, I'm getting... The person who I saw in that interview, I was like, She seems insufferable. But now hearing from her, it seems like it was this total accident. She wasn't actually asking that as a question. I was like, Oh, she's She's more normal than I thought she was going to be. I'm so happy for somebody I've never met. Speaking of Jamir, do you know that Mariam Webster, Word of the Year?

Yes, that was a story that got booted.

Well, you know what? I'm glad we could talk about it now because I think it's, A, a good word. It was an underrated word in the language. Having it be brought back to the forefront, I appreciate. I feel like sometimes they make word of the year like riz. That's not a word, okay?

You know what is a word? The rizler. I have fallen down a rizler rabbit hole.

Oh, well, that's good because I have so much to send you.

I'm happy to see you here down the hole. I don't know. I've always... Ever since I met Costco guys and you told me about them, I've always thought they weren't hearing and paid attention, but now when I see their videos, I'm not okay.

We need a documentary.

We do. Like a real Netflix one. Do you see that one of them at the Knicks game?

Just going like... Of course I did. Jackie, did you see the professional wrestling thing? Did your husband show it to No. Because the person who I share all my Rizla and Costco guy content with is your husband. We go back and forth. They did a professional wrestling, not like a WW, but in this big arena.

The dad- I saw a promo for it.

The dad wrest. Obviously, he won, even though it was staged. Aj and the Riz were also involved in some supporting actors. It was really one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.

That is so crazy. How do they know The Rizler?

Family friend, friend of the fam. I think that they initially... They started separately, and then they, very early on in both of their careers, did a collab, and it was one of their more popular videos. So they just kept doing it. Now they keep adding supplemental characters to the crew. We're not really interested. I like the family, and I like the Rizla. They're trying to make all these other people happen. It's not...

It's just shocking.

They're not real.

Demure, not Rizla, unfortunately. Demure is the word of the year. I do like it. I hope people would take heat and maybe act in a more demure fashion in their everyday life.

I like that we're all learning new words. That's the whole point of word of the year. It also is reflective of a word we used a lot this year. My word of the year, of course, is emblematic, but I'm different. I'm not like other girls.

My word of the year, five years running is nefarious. What was our... I think our word of the year will probably be- Pargy. Gargy, yeah.

Or girly or swirly. I think this year was swirly. Yeah, swirly.

This year would be swirly or turd30. Or turt. Com. Turt. Com. Turt and branch?

Yeah, probably.

So many words. So many years. Are you ready for our next story? Hugh Grant is responding to Louantan D'Hiliceps. I hate him. I have to just share his half of the story. His truth. Just for journalistic integrity, but it kills me to-I wish the fantasy ended Yesterday. It kills me to cast any doubt on what Lou Anne said, but we have to do it.

I just want to say, Hugh Grant is 1,000% telling the truth, 1,000%, and he delivered it in the nicest possible way that he could have. But I wish he just shut his mouth.

Yeah, I wish he didn't. I wish he listened to The Toast and knew how well this reflected on him. And even if none of it was true, to let us. To let us. So he screenshotted the People magazine story about Lou-Anne recalling heavily making out with him, and he posted on X. Steady on. I do remember meeting a charming Roni.

No.

Yeah. Rinny. Rinny. A charming Rinny in a restaurant. But I'd like to stress it was about 15 years ago. I don't recall shots or kissing, but her memory might be better than mine.

So he's being generous in saying- He's holding space for the option. He's being generous in saying, This didn't happen, but it's possible. She's not a liar. Maybe I forgot. But he knew incident. He remembers this night. And by the way, Louanne responded with a gif of herself. She's so iconic. I left feeling yesterday's episode so joyful. I loved this story. I hadn't heard it until you shared it with me, and I thought it was really a positive reflection on everybody involved. And so for him to get involved, which I didn't even want him to speak about it. Was Kevin Foster going to talk about it the last time? Get away. This is for the girls. And I don't even like... I don't know what he could have said that I would have liked, but certainly, it's not this.

Unless he said something like, Jolly Good Fun.

Best night of my life. Luanne, let's do it again soon.

Yeah. But this just... I mean, it could have been worse. He could have been like an arse. I've never seen. He's not being an arse, but he is casting doubt on a story that meant a lot to us. It's like, get out of the way.

Yeah. It was so harmless. I guess the fact that he is acknowledging that they did have a night together is huge. The fact that he said it was 15 years ago, I feel like that was unnecessary. Was she a housewife 15 years ago?

Probably, but she would have been married. The timing isn't making sense. I also thought it was this summer, the way she was talking about Or the last two years. She was happy. She was happy.

Season 1 aird in 2008. Let's say they filmed it in 2007. How many years ago was that?

17.

So she was married.

I just made that up.

So 15 years ago, she He was married.

Yeah, so it wasn't 15 years ago.

But maybe he was being general. It was me. When I say something was last year and it was last week. Or four months ago, four years ago.

Yes, perhaps. Don't come in with your correction when you don't have the facts right.

Yeah. I actually just really genuinely wish he stayed the hell out of this.

Or maybe Louanne and the Count had an open marriage. I could see it.

I could see it, too. What is the Count up to? He got remarried, right?

Count Olaf?

Yeah. No, that's not his name. Count Dela Seps. No. Count Suez.

Count Suez.

Don't forget, the De la Seps family of yours built the Suez Canal.

So he's not married at the moment.

And Jackie, I want to say, the Dela Seps, being the ones who built the Suez Canal, is a piece of trivia I keep in my back pocket that I cannot wait to come up on Jeopardy. Ben is going to be shocked because there are certain categories me and Ben know we might get, but some categories when they're geopolitical, we're like, But there's going to be one, one day. Which royal family built the Suez Canal? I'm going to say the De La Seps. Ben will think that I watched the episode without him and wrote it down and cheated. That's something I'm so looking forward to.

Maybe. I don't know. I feel like it's something It gets seared in all of our minds. I feel like Ben might know it. Let's ask him. Do you know which noble family financed the Suez Canal?

Oh, finance. Do you know which noble family financed the Suez Canal?

Because the count wasn't down there with a max.

And Ben is not going to answer because he's with his girlfriend, Alex Gornisheli, who I found out is actually not married. She is single. So this will be the last time they're hanging out.

Wow. That would be a funny way for this story to end. Well, not funny, but funny.

Not funny. At all funny.

Are you ready for our next story?

What number? Four. Yeah.

Some big podcasting news.

Oh, yeah.

Kylie, Kelsey is launching her own brutally Honest podcast. So the Kelsey clan is taking their podcasting empire to New Heights. Kylie, who's the wife of former Eagle star Jason, Kelsey announced on Monday that she will be launching, not going to lie, with Kylie Kelsi next month, with new episodes released weekly on Thursdays. The show is being produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment, which had been the same outfit that produce New Heights before they moved to Amazon Wondering. She put out a trailer for her show talking about what she's going to talk about, talking about how she almost titled it a bunch of different stuff, to be honest, fuck her unbinded out, with that Kylie energy. I think she's got Riz, and I think she's got what it takes.

Yeah, people really like her, and there is so much intrigue in this family. As much as we were saying, we worry about them being overexposed, Kylie is so not that. I feel like she's so private that this is... Especially when you think about how much money the Kelsey brothers have made in such a short amount just due to this weekly podcast, I think that her not doing it would be leaving money on the table. There's so much intrigue. It's a brilliant business idea. She's a mom, which is so different. It's not going to be even remotely similar to New Heights. There are so many people who love her, and she's so Philly famous, but nationally famous. She's mom famous. She has all the things.

Yeah. No, this is a pocket of their world that hasn't been dealt to at all. I think there's so much there. Even the teaser she was talking about, they're going to be talking about parenting stuff. She's going to be talking to guests. They'll probably talk about sports stuff because she's a huge sports fan. I think there's so much to talk about. I think she has got a lot of personality. I think she's going to be great. Yeah.

There also is a big market. There are other really successful podcasts of famous athletes' Wives. Kelly Stafford is really popular. I think that's something people really enjoy hearing about, especially girls who like sports. I am curious, at what point and in what capacity will Taylor get involved in the Kelsey podcast universe as a guest. Obviously, I thought it would be New Heights, but maybe it'll be this one.

Maybe it will be this one. I don't think... New Heights doesn't even have guests, so I don't even really... Aside from Adam Sandler or whatever, I don't even think she would go on as a guest, but maybe when they're married with children, she'll pop in the background Travis, pick up your underwear.

Yeah, like Kylie has walked in the background of Jason's studio being like, Can you put the girls to bed? When you podcast from home, that is what happens.

Right. It's like the Rizler.

Yeah. Well, one of Taylor's cats was in an episode, so that's huge.

Yeah. I think it'll be more casual than that. Travis texting Taylor Hey, Ler. Do you know who finances the Swiss? She was like...

And he hasn't answered yet.

Classic husband-wife stuff. Correct. So I think that's what it's more so about, not she's going to be sat for an interview. And then maybe when she has Travis's babies one day, she'll do a parenting episode with Kylie on her pod.

I'm having his baby. No, I'm not. The surrogate is. It's due.

She's due in January.

I wish.

Imagine I'm right.

I don't think you are, but if you are, I'll be really shocked at your ability to predict the future.

The odds that I am are seriously zero, but it's good to put predictions out there. I've got skin in the game now. Maybe not January, maybe February. I give her a little break from Errors. She is done with errors.

No, there's still a couple of shows in Vancouver. You just making stuff up now?

Every week, I'm like, It's the last errors.

I'm sorry, but every day I see headlines, It's the last Errors. She's been in Toronto for a while, too. She did a lot of shows there, I think five. I think it was two separate weekends, and it felt like the last two stops, but it's not.

Every once in a while, I see like, Swifty conspiracy theories that have a lot of-Merit? Credit. I saw that the date of her first era show, to what her last one will be, the number of days in between the shows.

1989?

1989, yeah. That's crazy. No, sorry. The date of when Scooter bought her music to her last era show.

Got it. Maybe that's when she'll announce her reputation.

Maybe. And then also you saw this yellow brick road theory.

No. Oh, my God. You're telling me about theories.

I think I send it to you that basically there's something to do with yellow brick road in her lore, and her Instagram right now has a row of yellow leading to the yellow brick road. And then her last show is in Vancouver, which is sometimes called the Emerald City.

By who?

The way You're in the Empire State, like Vancouver is the Emerald City. Oh, yeah.

I'm seeing the yellow.

So she's taking the yellow brick road to the Emerald City, and then I don't know what happens from there.

Something to think about.

Yeah. I think it has to do with debut. Okay.

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Our fifth and final story. Glenn Powell says his lookalike contest winner will get their parents or any family member of their choice a cameo in his next film. So all of a sudden- Oh my God.

I saw this headline, and I thought it was a cameo, like a video.

No, they will be in his next movie. That's cool. That is cool. But What? I woke up one day and everybody's having a lookalike contest. Explain.

Well, Timothée Chalamet went to that one, and I think it was such a good PR. And people started then throwing them even more frequently because the chance of your favorite celebrity showing up has now increased 10X. They just started becoming, I don't know if people were doing it before, but they were definitely doing it more after Timothée Chalamet, and they were getting more attention because of the Timothée Chalamet thing. Now it's becoming a running joke, and celebrity is getting involved. It's just good easy PR. I think this is great.

So Glenn Powell called into his own lookalike contest in Austin on Sunday to give the winner a very special prize, a cameo in his next film. But not for the winner himself, but for the lookalikes' parents or any family member of their choice.

You can't have a Glenn Powell lookalike in your movie. That's confusing.

That is confusing. Could have been a stem double. Also, Glenn's parents often show up in his movies. He gives his own parents cameos. So he's giving his lookalikes, family members' cameos. And also, Glenn's mother was at the Look Like contest, and she chose the winner.

Let me tell you, Glenn Powell is well on his way. Everything I hear about this guy, I love. He's so handsome. He's really talented. I think that was probably the biggest shock for me when I actually first saw him act in something. I was like, Wait, he's really good. Every time I hear something about him, it's so overwhelmingly positive, like family man. I love this man.

The winner was a physician's assistant named Maxwell Bronstein. He did look like him. He was dressed in the Top Gun.

Okay, wait, now I need to see because some of these people they be choosing are not even remotely lookalikes. No.

It's always number 2 and 3 look nothing like them, but usually number 1 is the real true lookalike.

The Jeremy Allen white one, the people were wins. Every single one, I couldn't pick a winner.

That's funny. The winner received $5, a cowboy hat, free queso from Tori's Tacos for a year, and a special message from Glenn himself, who was on FaceTime with his mom during the event. You know what?

He doesn't Not. Honestly, he's got that really cute smile. That's like Glenn Powell's thing. He's got a really beautiful smile.

Oh, that's the mom.

I like that they did in Austin. I feel like he's Austin famous. Do you know what I mean?

Does he live there?

I think so, yeah.

That's cute.

Yeah.

So all just sweetness around free PR for Glenn Powell, and we ate it up.

And we're like, we are the problem. We are just cogs in a machine.

We are, I think, however, are awareness of our cog-like nature definitely offset some of the damage.

I don't even know what you just said, but I completely agree.

Just that we're aware. Acceptance is the first step. Right, right.

We're self-aware cogs.

And also some Sometimes I feel like we fuck with the machine.

We are always fucking with the machine.

You're so right. We sometimes do our cog-like work, but other times, we fuck shit up.

We sometimes do our cog-like work.

Like I'm a cog for Len Powell, I would say.

Yes, there are certain things, institutions, human beings that I'm happy to be a cog for.

Yeah, I think we're cogs for wicked right now, unknowingly.

One thousand %.

And sometimes we're not. Sometimes We're going to call it out. There's something some people can't do. We're never going to forget what they did. Tarek. Balenciaga.

We all have our mountains.

Actually, at this point, you are a cog for Tarek. Nobody gets to more press.

I make up for at least 50% of the engagement on his social media because I get tagged. If you go through any target- Do you? If you go to a TikTok, especially if one of his wives, Exercurrent, is in it, every single tag is me. Actually, the most embarrassing It's an interesting thing happened to me today. Cody Simpson posted a TikTok. He doesn't have a ton of engagement. He posted a TikTok of himself singing Wicked, which I guess is extremely toast-coated. Jackie, we were half the comments at Claudia at Toast Podcast. It's so embarrassing. I'm sure people are Why are they tagging this random girl?

Oh, my God. Well, I was going to say, I think at this point, we need to have Tarek on the podcast.

I thought you were going to say we need to have Cody Simpson, and we do.

Well, we do need to have Cody Simpson.

I could never in my life look at Tarek in the eyes. I would simply- After everything. I would pass away on the spot.

I want to put it out there. If Tarek wants to come on, this is the outreach I'm going to do. We're not following up. If this makes its way to Tarek, we would love to I'm going to have you on the pod.

Just really full circle. And by the way, you're not going to be able to get away with not talking about the arm type. That's just obvious. I think that he probably goes into interviews and says, I don't want to talk about the arm type.

We can talk about other stuff, too. But of course. T T-A-H.

Yeah. T-o-t-t. Tarek on the toast.

T-o-t. Oh, my God. Now everyone's going to comment that.

No. Okay. That's what I'm saying. Guys, please don't. No, no, no, no, no. It's time for our weekly advice segment, which usually happens on Wednesdays, but we moved it to Tuesday. It's a whole long story. It's Dear Toaster. Our weekly advice segment where Jackie and I do our best to help the swirleys in need. You can reach out to us if you're in need of help, anything from relationships to work to bodily issues you're having, whatever it is. We are not medical professionals, so please keep that in mind. You can send us an email, Dear Toaster, @gmail. Com, or head over to our website, thetoastpodcast. Com. Both options are totally anonymous, so don't worry, we'll never blow up your spot. Let's dive in, shall we?

Let's do it.

This one actually makes me sad. I went on a first date last night, and while I was in the bathroom, he texted me. She lives in the studio. She's not as tubby as I thought. How do I appropriately ruin this man's life? Sincerely, a 22-year-old toaster who needs a swirly's advice. She got a text that wasn't meant for her, which is probably the worst thing to happen to a human being on the planet. But after a first date, so it's like someone's just initial first impression of you. The fact that he had to remark that you lived in a studio. Is that good or bad?

I would enjoy that you live alone. Obviously, we're never seeing or speaking to this person ever again.

I know, but how does she move on? She should... You know what you should do? I don't know if you responded, but you should send it back, what you would text your friend. Yeah.

He has three roommates, and he smells.

Doesn't know how to dress. Literally, whatever your thoughts were, say it in a way that's not overtly mean, but just merely observational.

Just a little something like, he has three roommates, and he had lettuce in his teeth.

Yeah, I like that. It's important.

Or just be like, he had pepper in his teeth. It's so I didn't know what to say.

I found it so unattractive. Tubby is such a mean word. I guess it actually... You could use a different word that is meaner. Tubby, I guess, is meant to be endearing.

Yeah, but it's like, if you Why you were so tubby? Why did he go on the date? Or unless he wanted you to be tubbier?

Oh, maybe he's one of those. I need to see what this man looks like because it's always the ugliest motherfuckers who have the most to say about other people's looks. I I just know this man was truly fucking heinous.

The good news is it was the first date, so you weren't in love with him. You don't have to get over him, and you dodged a bullet. Thanks for sending these texts to me. You might have gone out with him again.

Yes, that's true. In terms of how to actually make yourself feel better, I really do like the route of you sending... Seriously, exactly what he said about you, something about his living situation or his work situation and his physical appearance. That will make you feel better. I feel better.

I love it. My fire was fire An eye for an eye.

I'm such a fan of an eye for an eye. This is what I say every time we do like, Deer Toaster, and I think people don't agree with me. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Good, because if I'm blind, you should be, too.

No, you can still see out of The other eye.

So true. Okay, ready for our next one? Mm-hmm. Swirly's, I am livid. Long story short, I was venting to my husband about his family, and in the middle of our argument, my vent session, he pulls out his phone, calls his mother, and says, Why don't you just say it to I immediately grabbed the phone, hung up, and had a wave of anger come over me that I've never felt before. I felt so betrayed and taken aback by his behavior. I tried explaining to him how insane that was for him to do, but he does not seem to understand the severity of his actions. Am I fucking nuts, or was this a giant breach in trust and just truly insane behavior?

Insane behavior, you're so right for your wave of anger. Not a breach of trust because he didn't in front of you. It's not like he recorded you and sent it to them. He's a pussy, and he needs to man up, and he doesn't want to have to be the middleman between your grievances and then airing them to them. So he's like, Do it yourself. But it's like, You're there to protect me. And he needs to learn that and understand that.

It's hard. No, he's so lazy. In this situation, it would be his job to be the mediator. You tell him your raw feelings, he repackages it and says it to his mother and tries to get peace between the two. He's so uninterested in being that person that he's just like, It's your You're the one with the feelings. Why don't you call my mother? Hate, unacceptable. By the way, if you do have a problem with your mother-in-law, you're talking to the right person. Do not speak to her directly. It's literally your husband's job to reel in his mother. And I'm sorry, that sucks. Did the mom pick up? It felt like it was just all happened very quickly.

Yeah, I think she hung up before she could pick up.

Okay, good. And you need to hammer. It's so annoying when you're hammering in a point, and it seems so small and stupid, but you still want to... You're just like a dog with a bone, and you won't let something go. But it's so important that you understand the severity of this.

As far as moving forward, what to do next time, it's on him to understand that's his role. That's anyone's role. For you and your family, you're the go-between. That's anyone's job. I don't know how you can make him get that, but I'm sure there's punishments that you can think of.

Yeah, you can come up with. Just also keep- I'm sure there's things you can withhold. At some point, if you just keep pestering him about it, he'll give in just out of sheer annoyance. And however you get him to do what you want to do, that's marriage, and you just have to do it.

Right. And are they trying to get you to do something? Withhold whatever it is until your point is made. 1,000 %.

Our third and final, dear toaster. Actually, somebody wrote in because they were so inspired by last year's toaster about the girl whose husband was getting a massage from his sister. She's like, Hold my beer. Okay. Oh, gosh. Hey, Swerlies. Oh, gorsch. I'm about to one up the husband getting a massage from his sister's submission because my husband's family is on another level. The siblings who are all grown frequently give each other massages. I'm talking essential oils and everything. They wrestle. They kiss on the lips when they leave. All of it. I personally come from a very nontouchy family, and this was very odd for me when I married in. All that to say, I don't think of it, and I've really gotten used to it until this. My husband, his sister, and I were all in the hot tub one night, and when we got out, they both wanted to rinse off. This is your first problem. Yeah. They both wanted to rinse off. I hear the water running, and I know my husband was in there, so I pop my head in to tell him that I'm going to get our son ready to go.

And his sister pops her head out of the shower, too. They were both in swimsuits, taking a shower together. But the visual gave me such an ick. Once again, they thought nothing of it, but I cannot move past this. Am I being dramatic? I know there was nothing nefarious going on, but it's just really weird, right?

It's so weird. Here's the thing. I don't think you can change this family. This is who they are. I don't think anything beyond that is what's happening. I just think this is so crazy, and I just think you need friends and people to vent to about it and laugh about it with and then move on. I think they're going to They're going to wrestle. They're going to kiss on the lips.

I just want to say, but, Jackie, where does this family draw the line? They're showering together, kissing on the lips. Stop, stop, stop. No, seriously. And it's like, We're just a touchy family, so we have sex. You know what I mean?

Well, I think that's where we'll draw the line, okay? Until then- Wait, Jackie, is this going to be my family?

I'm such an affectionate person.

Yeah.

And we kiss on the lips. And your kids learn from you. So I'm giving everyone hugs and kisses.

I think that when you have mixed-gendered children, you draw those lines.

Yeah, that's true. I guess I don't have those lines because we grew up, and especially for most of our childhood, it was single momhood. It was literally only girls in our house for most of our lives.

Right. Not an issue.

Not an issue. Yeah. Okay.

I don't think you have to worry that your husband's going to cheat on you with his sister. It's just you need people to laugh about this with, and we're here for you.

And to validate, because when you come from such an opposite, you're like, Am I crazy or are them? They are.

Yeah, but all the things isolated, actually, except for the shower. No, the shower. The shower with the baby suits. But kissing on the lips, it's not that crazy, and Tom braided does it.

Jackie, I thought at first when I was reading it, because they were out in the hot I thought they took an outdoor shower together, which is different. Those outdoor showers- I wasn't visiting outdoor shower. No, she popped her head. She said, I open the door. So they were in a bathroom.

Maybe to the outdoor shower? No.

I had hoped that it was the outdoor shower. It was an indoor bathroom.

Just stop, okay? I understand why you have the ick. This is not okay, but it's just learned behavior. Maybe over the years, you can try and- Subliminal message. Show them another way. But that's tough.

It is tough. It is also tough. That's a thing about marriage. When you come from really different families in terms of touchiness, that's a part of merging a life that not enough people talk about. I think me and Ben are pretty on the same page, but there are people who are so different, like this girl, because she said not only is he extreme, but she's extreme, too. Her family was not touchy at all.

Yeah, that must be really shocking. I know you as a person. I'm not a super touchy person, but I come from the elk of touchiness. Yes.

You don't think touchiness is weird?

No. I'm very touchy.

You're used to being touched.

Yeah, but I'm also like, I'm very touchy with my children. It's just different strokes for different folks.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

I feel like those were actually great deer toasters as we go into the holiday weekend and you spend time with chosen and given family.

I just want to say, I think next week's deer toasters are going to be lit because people really, with families and meeting In-laws. A lot can happen on a holiday weekend.

Just it's a temporary situation. Keep in mind what's just icky and what's a deal-breaker. Seeing your husband in the shower with his sister is icky. Yes, you are right for that.

I think it's a deal-breaker.

In a swim suit?

Had they been naked, it would have been a deal breaker. Before we head off for the holiday weekend, Jack and I just I wanted to say we are so thankful, the spirit of thanks. So grateful, so thankful for the Toasters, everybody who listens and just supports us. We love you guys so much. Hopefully, The Toast has brought you great joy and laughter this year. I want to say thanks to our families. We are grateful to them. Thanks to our tosters serving in the forces, the armed ones, tosters overseas, all the tosters. We love you so much, and not enough to do a show tomorrow, but a lot.

A lot. We do. We love you a whole lot. We are so thankful for you. We're so thankful for this show, this business, and I'm thankful for turdy. Jurt.

I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful for Jurt. There's no queening and weaning this week, so I guess that makes you the queening and me the Weeny.

Or both of us, a tie for Queen, a tie for Ween. Sorry.

Queen Louanne, Ween Hugh.

What did we talk about today?

Schwarz and Sandy's Wicked.

A Queen Wicked. Yeah. Ween.

Boc. Boc.

Boc, yeah.

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No, that was what the script had written for him. He was still reading the script up until that point.

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