Transcript of Stronger Than Expected: Thursday, December 5th, 2024

Good morning, millennials. Welcome back

to the toast, and happy Thursday. We made it to the second half of the week. I'm in a better mood. Hey, Jax. How you doing?

Yay. Would you say it feels like a Thursday or a Thursday? Thursday. I don't know. It's a little Jersey because It

is, actually.

We have so much going on today, culminating with you coming to my house for chicken parm.

Not only that. It definitely feels like a Thursday. And I meant to bring this up yesterday, but it was happening while I was recording. And I don't know if anybody heard, and today you might hear all day yesterday, helicopters all throughout the city. There is a manhunt.

Like, everyone I know is, like, really taking the manhunt really seriously, That there was a a shooting of a CEO in New York and the guy, like, ran. And so now everyone's out in the streets. There's cops everywhere. Every street is closed. There was helicopters whirring all day yesterday.

So I don't think the shooter's, like, looking for any of us, but, like, it is crazy to have, like, a shooter on the loose. So It is. So in that sense, it's getting Durs day. So if you hear helicopters, I am gonna run today's audio through, like, a background noise reducer. Through a helicopter manhunt reducer?

Yeah. I don't know if they have

that setting on my program, but that's what that is.

It's also dir's because usually the redheads comes out 1st Thursday of the month in the morning, but we're actually recording today because the redheads are they're hard to get

all in 1 place. They're mothers. They're podcasters. They're business owners. They're executives.

Like, they can't

They're satchels. They can't hard it is to nail down a satchel?

I saw I got a piece of satchel last night.

Last night? Yeah. Oh, at Sodo. Yeah.

And I'm wearing my Sodo merch. You guys know, like, obsessed with the So to method. Let me just show you guys my new sweatshirt. So the method by Parkie? Yeah.

By Parkie. I work out. Well, not these days, but, like, I do. Did once upon

a time. Once. No. No. I didn't mean 1 time.

Once upon a time.

Yeah. About 15 months ago, I committed my life to fitness exclusively via the So to method, which is actually I have to give credit to Jackie. She introduced me to her friend Hillary from college who started the So to method. She's kind of, like, my best friend now. I think, like, we would say that she's my friend.

No. Like, yeah. You're closer you see her more and you're closer with her now, but the originator.

Yeah.

You're friends with Hillary by way of me. Correct. By way. I know I saw videos from the event last night. She's also pregnant.

She has shared with with twins. Right?

Yeah. She's a must be pregnant with twins, and she's, like, leading this fitness empire teaching classes. She's making me so nervous.

She's literally an inspiration to women. Like, I wanna see her on the Hollywood power of women. Right? Like, pregnant with twins, leading a fitness class, like, not stopping, gorgeous most gorgeous woman in the world.

So she had a party last day because she opened her very first, like, flagship studio. She's been doing these pop ups all over the city, and they're so popular. So she has, like, an official space in Tribeca, and she gave a speech. And first of all, everyone was crying. Like, it she just, like, had a a bunch of people she needed to target, like her her chief of staff, her husband, her parents, like, her brother, like, everyone.

And she's such an amazing speaker. She didn't have, like, you know, anything written down or anything. And everyone was crying because she and then she was like, I know people look at me and they're, like, in awe. You know, I'm 8 months pregnant. I have literally 8 pounds of baby.

The babies weigh £8 right now. I'm like, they're pushing on my gallbladder. And she's like, and I know everybody thinks, like, I'm so crazy and, like, how hard it is. She's like, and that's life. Like, life is hard, but you can do harder things.

So, like, she was basically telling everyone to, like, do more. I was like, oh, work harder. Yeah. I was like, no. Okay.

I love that. And then I

got to see Saatchi because Saatchi was there too. So it was really nice to just be out with my Saatch.

Well, I'll be talking to Saatchi for about 75 minutes uninterrupted except by Dean and Rebecca, this afternoon. I finished our book for the redheads last night, Shred Sisters. Oh, Dana. She knows how to pick them.

In a good or a bad way.

In, like, in a Dana way. Like, she keeps us literary. Like Yeah. I would never have read this book. I didn't I it flew by.

Like, it was 1

of those books that's just I don't know what

the point is. We're just passing the passage of time. Mhmm. I think it's about the passage of time and sisterhood, and, also, a thing that they kept saying in the book, it's about 2 sisters who are so different, like me and you. Just kidding.

Not like us at all. But they kept saying, like, no 1 will ever love you more than a sister or hurt you more than a sister. And, like, people say that about sisters, and that's not true. Not my sisters. Times.

That no. No. I don't like that at all.

Even when we read good sister, it's, like, there's always this trope, like, the sister, it's, like, you know, the best and the worst to have. No. Like, it's just the best. No.

Not for everyone. Like, yeah, there are examples, but, like, these over these sweeping generalizations, like, don't apply to everyone.

No. Everything is different for everyone all the time, but, like, they just say that's, like, the fact about sisterhood. It's, like, sometimes you love it. Sometimes you screw sisterhood. And that's just not been my experience.

So I just wanna, like, shed light on the fact that, like, that's not a universal truth.

Unless you're Victor Garber, of course. But then it screws sisterhood all the time. Correct.

You don't get that love.

I'm so excited to come down to your house. You know, I feel like the last couple of times I've come to visit you, I've just been like, you know, I'm going to my sister's. Whatever. But whenever I come to you in, like, the dead of winter, it really it's, like, exemplifies why people moved to Florida. Like, I totally get it.

It's so unenjoyable here between the manhunt and the 20 degree weather. Like, I gotta go. Mhmm. So that's, like, something I'm looking forward to. And we have Jizzo.

We have family time. I'm very excited.

Yeah. It's gonna be a really fun weekend. The weather here is, like, so party for us because it's there's a chill

in the air, but it'll

be, like, hot for you.

Winds in the east. A chill coming in.

And it's gonna be a great weekend. Tomorrow, we'll be together in front of the flamingos.

Yeah. Doling out Queenie and Weenie. Queenie and Weenie. What a long week I know. If you

think about it.

How are the stories today?

They actually were stronger than expected, s t

e. I like that.

Mhmm.

Stronger than expected.

And so I guess that's what we did last night, soda and shred. Soda and shred. Soda.

Yeah. What else did I do last night? I made a soup. A work trip.

I said, there's a chill. We've got some runny noses in the house.

Oh, good. Great.

Oh, yeah. You'll be fine. It's literally, like, just a runny nose.

I'm really excited to see you and Liv and the kids. Like, have the kids been talking? Is everyone just being, like, Kojir's is coming. Let's wrap presents and give her stuff. Is that what they're saying?

Yeah. Yeah. They're definitely saying that they're excited that Romeo's coming. Yeah. Bruno is, like, getting his crate ready to for 2.

He get, like, a good time frame.

I mean, Romeo can sleep in Bruno's crate. Bruno doesn't sleep in that. It was just, it was a little joke.

No. No. But you reminded me. Romeo I've never traveled with Romeo before. I've never bought him your house.

And we also do also have a spare crate. Okay. Good. Romeo has never been to my house? I don't think so.

Oh, he's in for a treat.

Yeah. And he's, like well, he's gonna freak when he sees the backyard. Like, he's gonna be like, wow. My cousins live like this, and I live in squalor in Manhunt NYC. I'm gonna say

You know, if the plane won't let him on the return flight home, that's okay too.

Imagine. I just, like, gave up Romeo. I by the way, I could never. I haven't even really talked about my journey with Romeo, like, in recent weeks. You know, it was a slow start for me and Romeo.

Let me tell you, there's nobody like him. Like, he is I actually and I said this to Ben, and Ben doesn't like when I compare Romeo and Theo. I actually might love Romeo more no. No. No.

But the thing the thing is is that I so specifically was setting out to find a dog, who was a carbon copy clone of Theo that I actually now think of Romeo and Theo as the same dog. So I like, the love that I had for Theo just transferred. What's Romeo's birthday? December

16th. And what day did Theo pass?

Like, me and Ben thought this. We thought that they might have crossed, like, on the same day, and we were supposed to get the reincarnated spirit. They okay. So Theo was dying when Romeo was born. So I think that Theo maybe had 1 leg in the other universe, met Romeo.

Theo died after September 16th. No. He died early December.

Yeah. Wait. Hold on. Hold on. I'm getting my dates off.

I think there's probably, like, a week. How long does

it take to reincarnate? Do you have

to be born on the same day?

I'm not completely sure.

There's a few days of of, like, you know, soul passage. I think he's the reincarnated spirit.

I'm trying to find. Just give me a second because me and Ben Take your time. December 14th was when Romeo was born. Oh, okay. And then I could tell you because we did this one's for due episode.

But that that was the day after where we took the day off.

Yep. December 8th. Okay. 1 week. 1 week?

Exactly. December 7th, Theo died. December 14th, Romeo was born.

I believe it takes 1 week to prepare the soul for reincarnation.

For that significant passage of time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me and Ben have talked this through.

So I feel like when I'm looking at Romeo, like, I don't even feel guilty about having so much love for him. Like, it's literally Theo. Like, I did I did what I set out to accomplish, which was, like, literally clone my dog. They look exactly alike. Copy paste.

Yeah. Like, I pass a picture of Theo on the fridge, and it look it's to me, it's Romeo.

That's so sweet. Well, I'm so excited to see dear Romeo. And, Ben, is Ben flying with you? Of course not. No.

He loves to take a separate flight.

It wouldn't be a trip to your home if me and Ben did not take separate flights. He has an event tonight, and I wanted to come tonight. So, it's a Southern Charm premiere, which he's really excited about. So

That's awesome.

Yeah. And, like, spritz is, like, you know, it's like a whole thing.

So Southern charm is on tonight. Oh my god. I'm so excited. Even though I didn't finish watching last season, but I think I'm just gonna jump right in because if I if I wait,

I'll never watch it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they have all these new cast members, so I think what's past is past.

The that's what's significant about the passenger time.

Well, as we've said so many times with our annoying, you know, non events that we have so much going on today, I think we should get into the stirrings.

Me too. Let's let stew.

So not stew. Beef stew. Do you want beef stew while

you're here? Should I order

beef chunks?

I don't. I'm good.

Anything else you wanna request? Because I have to get the meat. You know?

Just, like, have meat, you know, for when I decide what I want. Like, asking me what I want today for tomorrow is fruitless.

No. No. But, like, what are what are in general, like, what are you craving?

Seriously, all I eat is pizza. Like, frozen pizza, pizza bagels, pizza from the street. Like, I I'm running on pizza.

But is that what you're because it's what you're craving, or it's just easy and filling?

It's easy. It's filling, and it's not cheese. So it's like protein. It's like a salad. It doesn't gross you out.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not necessarily what I'm in the mood for.

Okay. Well, you could take a look at the recipe book and get out your menu items.

I'm so sorry. I can't believe I did a whole recap. Yesterday, I saw Mark.

Mark Schoenweeder. You have a lot of Marks

in your life. If you know, you know. I do. No. I saw the only Mark in my life.

It was Mark Schoenweeder. For those who don't know, like, 3 years ago, this girl from my high school texted me. Maybe, like, kept in touch, and she runs, like, a production company. She's like, I'm putting together this video series where I'm putting like, pairing, like, celebrities, influencers with, different holocaust survivors to make a video that will share, like, each day of Hanukkah, it'll be, like, a different celeb. And I was like, duh, love.

She introduced me to, like, who I would be speaking with. His name was Mark, and we met at a studio downtown. And I interviewed him. And let me tell you, like, I fell in love with him from the minute I met him, and we've become best friends ever since. Like, also with his family.

He has, like, 2 daughters and a ton of grandkids who are, like, toasters and, like, college age, like, we love. And he's from New Jersey, and we're just we're literally best friends. Like, we talk all the time. And now we started to do that video every year. Like, the series no longer exists.

Just like me and Mark, it's kind of, like, become a Hanukkah staple, and everybody really looks forward. And every year when we release the video, we raise money for his foundation. He has a foundation called the Mark Schoenweiner Holocaust Education Foundation where they give grants, like, any teacher. If you're a teacher, you can go on his website, apply, because there's no holocaust curriculum, and, like, public schools don't have funding for, like, textbooks or anything. So, they give out grants.

Like, people will apply, and they choose people to give grants for, like, busses to museums, Curriculum education. Holocaust education. And it's really, really powerful. And I know so many chasers from our teachers have applied, and some of them have even gotten the grants. And so it's a small foundation, but we're getting bigger.

And every year, we raise money when me and Mark do our video. Smaller money. I think we've raised, like, $200,000 in the last couple of years. So we filmed our video, our annual Hanukkah video. We made sufganiyot, which is, like, the traditional Hanukkah treat.

It's basically a jelly donut. It's so good. We went to, like, the famous breads bakery and baked them together. And I don't know if I, like, shared, just kinda, like, big news with me. I don't know.

Did I share this? Mark, actually, his daughters a couple of months ago, they asked me, yeah, me, to be a board member of their organization, which never been on the board of anything before. It just felt it felt powerful. I was like, oh, okay. Board.

We have a meeting next week.

It is. They don't ask, like, slobs to be on the board.

No. It's, like, actually really serious.

Yeah. That's awesome. So when

I was sharing that I was with Mark, I wanted to share because so many people were like, oh my god. What was Mark's reaction to your pregnancy? And I actually forgot to share that when Mark found out I was pregnant, he left me a voice mail. And it was seriously like, I actually can't even listen to it too many times. It, like, makes me so emotional.

It was the sweetest thing ever, and I I'm gonna play it for everyone because it's Yay. It's too sweet. It's too sweet. Let me

get Claudia and Mark greater than Ben and Alex Guarnaschelli.

It's, like, not even a comparison. Okay. Are you guys ready? Like, seriously, get your tissues. It's the sweetest thing.

Hi, Claudia. This is Mark. First of all, the most important thing, I wanna say congratulations. I am so happy to hear that you're going to be a mommy. All the best to you.

Hopefully, we will see each other soon, and all the best again. Feel well, Do things well, and congratulations. Talk to you soon. Bye.

Feel well. Do things well. Like, that's well, bitch. Okay? Yeah.

Like, that's You know what he's saying. Of course, I do. That's literally some of the best advice I've ever received. I agree. I love him.

So stay tuned for that video. You guys are gonna quake when you see what we got into. Oh, I'm excited. Have you ever been back of a bakery? Like, no.

No. Let me tell you. Jackie, it's it's, like, seriously the most amazing place you could ever be. Like, there's just, like, food everywhere. And I know they had to do

it. Really?

Yes. Like, I I feel like it's 1 of those things

where it's, like, it's just there's flour everywhere.

Yes. Okay. Fine. There's not, like, an

edible food. Edible goods, and the edible goods are

in the front where you have. Powdered sugar. There's dough. It's, like, seriously, like, a fairyland. And I guess, like, I know they had to I know they had to, like, clean the whole place after I left because I was, like, putting my finger and everything.

I mean, like, yeah. What's this? Like, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So stay tuned for that.

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Our first story, a little social media drama, Maddie Healy, stepped in it by going to Twitter war with Azealia Banks. So after a heated social media exchange between Maddie Healy and Azealia Banks, he says he'll stick to music. He said, guys, I don't have the right kind of intelligence slash emotional maturity, etcetera, for social media. I literally just end up saying stuff that I immediately regret, etcetera. I'm actually just gonna stick to music because I'm good at that.

Having met manic episodes on Twitter at 35 is kind of pathetic. So this started because, Azealia Banks, called out Charlie x c x, who is engaged to his bandmate. Yes. I didn't know George. And I also know that she's friends with Maddie's fiancee.

Good friends.

Yeah. No. It's like an 1975, like, you know, groupie groupie type of thing. So I knew that. So him defending her wasn't shocking to me, but Azealia, like, you know, she likes to take swings at people who literally aren't even, like, talking to her.

And so she did that. And I think most of the time, she expects nobody to respond, but somebody major responding, and she took the opportunity to eviscerate this man. Seriously, I think Taylor Swift is gonna send her flowers. Like, she came for his teeth, his music, his life, his family, his fiancee. Like

What he first said because she was, like, talking about charliexcxlooks, and he said, Azealia, you seem to have a blind spot when it comes to your reads. All the women you attack seem to be culturally relevant, attractive, divisive, and nice people. Divisive confused me.

It's he it confused him too because he used the wrong word. Okay. Cool. Cool. Cool.

He said, I think this makes you jealous because you're so talented, but everything about everything else about you is a failure. Just rap, bro. So he was defending his friend, and he also like, in in turn, like, he also then attacked back, which I think was his miss first mistake because, like, he awoke the beast of Azalea. And she then went on to, like, berate him, and that's why the tweet you just read, he was like, listen. I

didn't want

never mind.

Yeah. No. He he regrets having started with her because she ate him alive.

She ate him up. Yeah.

There are so many tweets. She talks about his fiancee, Gabriel. He said, the bitch looks like Frankenstein to me. You both look like you shared needles, lmao. Then she also went in she went she did a whole dissertation on his teeth and, like, gingivitis, and and dealt dental health.

And then she also threatened to sue Healy and leaked DMs in which she apologized to her. She concluded by attacking the Mattie Healy for, quote, getting fined $4,000,000 for kissing a man on stage in Malaysia, doing a Nazi salute, watching violent porn, being a heroin addict, writing shitty songs, randomly attacking black women, and capping for trash white bitches. Who's that? Is that Lying for trash white bitches. Capping capping is lying?

Yes.

It is. Oh, okay. Like, no cap. I'm not lying.

Oh, but he was capping.

He was capping. I don't know what all of this is referring to. All I know is, like, if I ever end up in a place where Azealia Banks is ever talking about me on her social media, like, actually take me out back and shoot me. I couldn't handle it. Like, Azealia Banks, I love you.

I respect you. I bow down. Please, never may this type of beef never find me?

Yeah. It's so it's so true. So he's and so you know himself from this narrative, 1 in which he actually started.

But at the end of the day, like, I can't fault him for just wanting to defend his friend. Like, this is his friend's fiance. I'm sure they know each other really well, him and Charlie. His mistake was also, like, retaliating and trying to, like, you know, take digs at Azalea, calling her, like, not relevant and, you know, she'll have to be beautiful women. Yeah.

So that was a mistake. Maybe she wouldn't have, like, came for him so hard if he just was defending his friend.

He was just like, I think Charley excess is a beautiful women woman. Never look women never looks better.

Right. Right. Like, it's and anyone who falls in the hair crosshairs of Azealia Banks, like, has my utmost sympathy. And Maddie Healy is not like a simp like a a sympathetic person. I I I just, like, I I have a hard time feeling bad for him.

So just, like, sorry. Yeah. Like, s r y. That sucks.

I don't know if Azalea and Lourd are gonna be exchanging pleasantries. Like, even though, technically, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Yeah. There's a lot of politics at play here. Yeah. So, poof, that was a lot. Yeah.

Azealia Banks is really interesting to me. Yeah. And she I feel as though she speaks the truth a lot. Like, she has been at the center of a lot of I mean, Elon and Grimes, like, that was literally her. She was the 1, like, living with them.

Right? Yeah. So and I feel like even though she isn't really, like not to sound like Maddie Hill, she's not, like, super relevant in terms of, like, music making, I feel like she gets, like, into rooms that other people aren't in, and then she, like, literally blows up the room. Yeah. She's so she's so interesting cat.

An interesting cat. I wonder why nobody has done, like, a full feature on Azealia Banks. Like, she actually moves the needle culturally.

Yeah. Maybe that's coming. Maybe after I wrote this

magazine type or interview mag. You know, like, those sort of artsy ones.

Yeah. I mean, maybe they maybe they have, but are you reading interview mag? No. But there would

be big headlines. Like and especially because I always have other celebrities too. It would be like Azealia Banks by Grimes.

Right. And she's so quotable.

She is. No. Her reads are, like, seriously

Heli Kong's dentist.

They're expert level reads. Like, seriously, they're very eloquent. They're not the typical, like, get ugly. No. She they're deep cuts.

She's seriously it's an art the way she does it. It's quite beautiful when it's not you. Yeah. Agreed. And may please, god, may it never be me.

Well, our next story, speaking of the Lurd universe, the the Lurdiverse. Actually, I guess now Lurd and Turd were getting very close.

Perfect. But Amy Adams is reacting

to a petition that would cast her as Taylor Swift's bi publicist in a biopic. So if the Swifties have anything to say about it, Amy Adams might just have her next role lined up after a fan theorized that Amy would win an Oscar for her portrayal of Taylor Swift's publicist, Tree Pain, in a potential biopic. The 6 time Academy Award nominee reacted to a petition for the fantasy casting. She said on the tonight show starring Jimmy Fallon. She said that would be amazing.

That would be so fun. I mean, if it got closer

if it got me closer to Taylor, then that would be fun. LOL. That's really funny because Tree Paine is like a, you know, famous redhead. And so when you think of, like, who would play you in a film? There's only a handful of people, Isla Fisher and Amy Adams and Jessica Chastain.

But I guess the Swifties have chosen Amy Adams. I have no problem with this.

Yeah. I've never really, like, looked at a lot of pics of tree pain. I didn't even realize, like, she's

Beautiful. Of us. She's a redhead. She's also, like, a tall, slender she looks like a model. Like, she's gorgeous.

Yeah. When she is in these rooms, I bet some people think she's famous. Like, that's how pretty she is. Like, she was

a little how did they meet?

You know what? I actually don't know, but there is a there is a point in Taylor's career where where Tree Pain enters and everything changes. Like, there was such a a shift in and Tree is really responsible for the whole, you know, Easter egg universe, the mystery. Like, that's all Tree. Nation.

Yeah. Like, that's all Tree. So I actually would love a movie or, like, some sort of documentary. It can happen now. It would need to happen, like, in a 100 years.

Yeah. But it is really interesting. Like, she's very smart, and she doesn't have other clients. Like, she's not a publicist. Even the the biggest celebrities, they all share a couple of of the same publicist.

Tree Pain exclusively works for Taylor. I would love to know how much she gets paid. It's at least $1,000,000 a year. Like, she doesn't do any other work. Like, Tree is Yeah.

For Taylor, and that's it Yeah. Which is very uncommon for, a publicist. Yeah. You get paid monthly by, like, a bunch of different people. Right.

I think she makes a lot more than that. You think she makes more than a $1,000,000 a year? 100%. How much you think? 5?

10? 10. Because she's also she's obviously a publicist, so she handles all all of Taylor's, like, media relations, but she's also, like, an adviser to Taylor. I think Taylor, like, trusts her strategy. Like

How much would you pay a c suite executive?

Right. Right.

And a $1,000,000,000 corporation.

Yeah. It's actually so true. You pay them, like, $60,000,000 a year.

Yeah. I would love

to know. Or is it, like, a typical publicist retainer? Hell, no. No. But maybe, like, you know, you get paid per month.

That's what how publicists work. And, a celeb most celebrity publicists, I feel, like, are between, like, 8,1012,000 a month. Maybe Tree's getting a 100 k a month.

Oh, sure. I don't know what the payout the like, what her billing cycle looks like Right. If she's on salary

Yeah.

Or if she's a contractor.

Do you, like, do you think she has health insurance with Taylor? Like, things like that? Great question. No. I'm sure she has her own company with, like, staff that, like I don't know.

This is what the biopic would dig into, what sort of

what's the health insurance policy?

And I love that Amy Adams' game.

Yeah. Cute. Maybe 1 day. That is how things start sometimes, like, as, like, an Internet joke.

But I wouldn't find it like, I would find it hard to believe if they released it now. Like

And, also, I feel like no one's writing up tree paints by a pick. Like, she would have to write a memoir or something. Like, memoirs of a tree.

Oh my god. I would love that.

Right. And then that could be adapted. I just don't think, like, someone's gonna go start, like, shadowing tree. That's not gonna happen.

I would also love to know what Tree's career was like prior to working with Taylor. Like, how do you even get on the desk of Taylor Swift as, like

Maybe she was working for a

publicist firm on Taylor's account and then went in house. She has been the exclusive publicist of Taylor Swift since 2014. She went to the University of Southern California, and she was a pi beta phi sorority. So she began her career as an intern. Oh, I guess she worked all in music.

She worked at a British label, then she worked in a marketing manager at a different label, and then an executive assistant at A and R, and then yeah. And also asked Jabb before that? In 1995, she joined Interscope Records, as a West Coast marketing and artist development rep. She worked with No Doubt, 9 Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, etcetera. Then she left to start her own street marketing company, retaining Bonnie Rait as her first ever client, the country star.

Like, she's like an old school country girl swirly Bonnie Rait. She has big red hair. Do you know her?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Over the years, her client roster grew to include labels like Warner Records, Capitol Records, oh, wow, London Recordings, 143 Recordings. In 99, she merged her company with Immortal Records and created IR Street Marketing. She then took a position at WME in Beverly Hills where she met Gail Holcomb, the vice chairman of the ACMs. So then she became began getting hired by the ACMs in 2002 to oversee media, radio, marketing, and the academy. 2007, she joined Warner Music Nashville.

Oh, okay. This is was her last job.

Okay.

She joined Warner Music Nashville as VP for publicity. In 2013, she was promoted to senior vice president of publicity. She oversaw all publicity for Warner Music Group's country and Christian divisions. Then publicity? In 2014, Payne announced that she was leaving Warner Music, starting her own firm, premium PR.

Her first and only client was Taylor Swift.

The rest is her story.

Oh, whose publicist prior publicist who she had worked with for 7 years. Taylor's prior publicist was named Paula Ericksine. She resigned. So all good. Yeah.

And the rest is history.

That is so interesting.

Not to spoil the biopic or the memoir, but there you go. There you have it. So she's really,

like she kinda reminds me a lot of Bose from Real Housewives. Like, really climbing the corporate ladder, became the VP of Warner Music, and that's where she met Taylor.

She doesn't remind me of her at all. But

Why? She has, like, a 1000000 jobs at, like, high profile companies.

Yeah.

And she was probably, like, extremely well paid as the head of publicity

for her. Old is she?

She Yeah. That's a good question.

Look as old as her resume.

She was where's her birthday? 19 71. Oh, but this is weird. Have you ever seen this? Tree Pain, born 1971 or 1972.

I love that for her.

Keep them guessing. So she's in her forties. Are you just too available? Thank you. She's 53.

Never mind. Oh, wow. Okay. That looks amazing.

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?

Mhmm.

Meghan and Harry. There's a lot of rumors swirling about Meghan and Harry. They've been at separate events, and Harry is addressing the divorce rumors, like, sort of in New York City. But she was supporting Tyler Perry at an LA event, this week, and he was in New York. They haven't been they posted that video a while ago, but there's been a lot of, like, divorce rumors about them.

There always is. I never take them seriously.

Yeah. I don't this now that this feels different, and I also feel like even if they are going to get divorced, like, they won't.

No. Although I do wanna say I do ship Meghan and Tyler Perry. He was so there for her in her time of need. Was. $1,000,000,000 homes.

And I think that she would be really happy, but I agree. I I happen to think that a lot of the divorce rumors are overblown, but, of course, sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire. But if the even if there was, like, an issue in their marriage, like, I don't think it would be wise for their businesses, but also for, like, their own psyche to ever really admit to the public that it didn't work out.

No. No 2 people are more bound to each other than these 2. Bound for life. So he, dispelled divorce rumors, while speaking in New York. He said, apparently, we've bought or moved houses 10, 12 times.

We've apparently divorced maybe 10 to 12 times as well. So it's just like, what? He went on to say that he feels sorry for Internet trolls who look for ways to tear down the pair. He said it's hard

to sorry. We're having so much fun. Don't feel bad for us. We might not have palaces and, you know, but we are having a good time.

Having fun. I don't know that they're that he's having fun. I feel like she's having fun. She's at an event. That's super fun.

Yeah. No. She's with her boyfriend, Tyler Perry.

I don't think he's having fun getting tattoos with jelly roll.

No. He said it's hard

to keep up with, but that's why you just sort of ignore it. Their hopes are just built and built, and it's like, yes. Yes. Yes. And then it doesn't happen, so I feel sorry for them.

I genuinely do. I just wanna say I hope I do not want them to get divorced at all. That would be the craziest thing. Not good. I wouldn't want that.

I hope that they

I hope that they're really happy together, you know, for everything that they Of course.

For everything that they, you know, risked. I hope it worked out. I'm a I want a happy ending for these 2, and I also want her fucking cooking show is what I want.

I'm just I just wanted to make sure I didn't know if Tyler Perry was single, but he it's apparently, he's been single since 2020. Interesting. Right around the time he met Megan.

Literally. She mexited in 2020. Then

She mexited right into his heart. Yeah. The thing is is we could project and, you know, guess all we want about these 2, but you're right in that they have far too much to lose. Business wise, pride wise,

I got a 1000000 business. Pride.

They could never. So who knows what the hell is going on inside that house?

Yeah. But they really, like, don't they're not together publicly, like, that much considering. They, like, are public figures, and that's the job.

Yeah. You know,

but you're gonna

go public a lot, period.

But but you could always say, like, you never know what goes on inside. People don't have to be together, whatever, because I do believe that. But they're literally, like, a famous couple.

Throughout history, actually.

They are famous they they are famous for being a couple. Yeah. So the long distances where we don't, like, see them together and they're not, like, do they used to be, like, side by side, never without the other, which also, you know, it's good to have space. But I think that we also imagine, like, I imagine it's a hard time for them. They're sort of finding their feet in this big world.

That there was a time where, yes, they were, like, a famous couple, and they were spot. But I think their life has changed so much and they've actually set it up intentionally that they're not photographed as much as they once were. Like, every outing when they were royals was, like, an official outing, so there was, like, a 1000000 pictures of them. I think they have kind of designed their life to have, like, less public appearances. But you're right in the sense that, like, the last couple of times we've seen both of them, it has been individually.

Yeah.

I do I do see what you're saying about her and Tyler Perry, and I agree.

There's chemistry there for sure. And you're always, like, you're always gonna, like, feel warm towards the person who rescued you. It's kind of like the damsel in

distress trope.

A 100%.

Okay. Keeping an eye out. Something to think about. For sure. Are you ready for our next story?

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Well, that's crazy because I feel like there are currently really 2 big New Year's Eve bashes. Dicks rocking, Dicks Clark. Dicks. Yeah. But also Nashville, the big country 1, that's, like, really been coming up recently.

And it's CBS, I think. And I feel like the last couple of years, we've literally toggled between both channels. So for Carrie to kinda take a stand, not with country, it's very interesting. Well, you know she's an NBC swirly with that ABC. For oh, never mind.

ABC,

and also she's doing American Idol, and it's, like, yes, she could be just another country singer, or she could join, like, the nation be the face of, like, the nationwide program. Like, she's kind of it's definitely not.

Past it. Yeah.

Yeah. She said bye, losers.

Oh, gosh. No. She's taking, like, mainstream. I forgot that she's a judge on American Idol coming up.

Yeah. She'll so she'll take the stage in New York City's Times Square to ring in 2025 on Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve with Ryan Seacrest on ABC. In addition, other performers include Megan Maroney

Love?

Oh. British singer songwriter Sophie Ellis Baxter

I don't know her.

While multi hyphenate Diana Torres will return as a co host in Puerto Rico. So it'll be

a a global affair. A global affair. Cool. Did you see Kelly Clarkson last night hosting the Rockefeller Center?

No. I was recording the Tread Sisters.

I recorded it. So because, like, I literally wanna watch it, but I was out. I heard she crushed it. Just absolutely crushed it. Consummate professional.

NBC is actually, I would say, the best network when it comes to finding talent and, like, really fostering. Like, this is, I think, the 2nd year Kelly's done it. She's obviously a huge part of the NBC family with her show. And then the OGs were, of course, there. Like, I saw Hoda and Savannah.

You know?

Oh, I saw they

were celebrating their last 1 together.

Oh, yeah. It was bittersweet. That is sad.

The same for the Thanksgiving Day Parade.

Yeah. That was Hoda's last soiree. Damn.

And the year is ending, which means so was Hoda's contract. Like, it's coming. Yeah. And Jenna and Friends.

Yeah. Jenna and Friends.

Well, it's great to see big talent at Dick's Rockin'

Dick's Club. This is a strong choice.

Same. Same. Although, the other headliners I mean, the other performers, like, it was lackluster. Maybe more. Like, it's usually

Maybe more will be announced, and also Carrie's gonna be singing. What do young people watch?

Like, I I remember when we were growing up, like, it was Dick Clark. Like, seriously, it was only 1 channel.

Young people like Gen z? Yeah.

Like, I are they not watching cable? They're out at a party, I think. No. But still, even like, when we were kids before we were out at a party, what were we watching?

Before we were out okay. So, like, when we're tweet we're watching ABC Dick Clark. Dick Clark.

So what are what are the those kids today watching?

I think Dick Clark because it's what their parents are putting on. Right?

I feel yes. I guess. But I feel like the like, TikTok does, like, live streams. Like, they do live at the Oscars. They go live everywhere, and they have, like, their talent host.

I feel like that's what a lot of people watch.

The idea of ringing in the new year, like, looking at your phone just seriously makes me sad. Horrible. Seriously, for sure.

And there's always CNN, Andy.

There's always CNN.

And that's like a very, I feel niche. Like, I don't think they have the biggest numbers, but they make But they've

got big numbers.

A lot of news. Yeah. And I think they're bringing alcohol back this year.

Yeah. Or they're

taking it away. No. They took it away last year, and, like, it was funny, but not sustainable. Mhmm. And I believe they've been given the green light

to bring it back. Okay. Cool. Cool. Prohibition is over.

So, yeah, well, I'll I'll watch a bit of it each. I'll watch Carrie. I'll watch Nashville depending on commercials.

I'm I probably won't watch CNN, but I will watch the clips. Like, Andy always goes viral when he calls Ryan Seacrest a loser. Yeah. That's when the alcohol was banned after that, which I feel, but it was funny.

Right. Right. Are you ready for our Forbidden vinyl story?

Bidding is such sweet sorrow.

Pete Davidson divulges how much SNL cast members are paid, and it's less than you think. So in a recent video roundup for New York Magazine, the Pete Davidson and SNL costars past and present, a bunch of cast members through the years

were That was cute.

Were asked, like, what was your biggest splurge after your first SNL paycheck? So a lot of people answered the question with their answers, which we'll get to, but he said, do you guys wanna know what they pay us? He said, do you guys know what they pay us? It's, like, $3 an episode. I think I got dinner.

So by his math, a cast member would make about 54 to $66,000 per year because just remember because

the others just gonna Google how many season how many episodes they do. Yeah.

It's not, you know, every single week. It's, so but then, also, it's a platform. You got other jobs. So that's not, like, the only thing that you're doing. But after your first big paycheck, like, you're not really, you know, going and buying the Birkin, a lot of people, weirdly, a lot of cast members answered that they bought a couch.

That's funny. Paid rent. Julia Louis Dreyfus bought a pair of shoes.

Yeah. Well, I'm trying to think. That's the starting salary. Right? Like, Keenan is getting what?

10, 20?

Yeah. And also the people who are, like, writers and producers like Colin Jost.

Right. He wears many hats. He's, like, obviously paid as a cast member. He's on the show, but he writes a lot of the sketches. He's I think

is he head writer? Something.

So, yeah, you I feel like if you're a writer, you actually are on salary. Right.

And the question is with your 1st paycheck, so that's your starting first lowest Right. Paycheck you're gonna get. It's about 3 k.

I feel like it has to be a little bit more if you're like like, I think of, like, a Bo and Yang. Because Bo and Yang, yeah, he has a podcast. But he and he had said with Wicked, you are not allowed to take on other projects while SNL is currently on air. Like, you are and Ariana called Lorne Michaels and was like, listen. Please.

And, like, they had I guess they have, like, a special relationship. Bowen was like and he got special permission. But for the most part, like, however many weeks it is a year, like, you aren't barred from working on anything else.

Yeah. Well, I know. But I think Bowen's 1st season, he made the standard starting entry salary. But then it's like where you then you are worth more. Perhaps everyone has different teams and negotiations.

Yeah. I never thought of SNL as, like, a really high paying job.

No. I feel like it's 1

of those jobs. I forget whose book oh, it was Keenan's book where, obviously, when he got SNL, it was, like, the craziest thing that ever happened to him. And that first, like, year or 2, it was, like, it's not, like, fun. And he was also struggling to, like, stand out. Like, he wasn't booking good he wasn't getting writing good sketches.

None of them were getting picked up. But, yeah, it's a dream job, especially for anyone comedy, but I feel like

it's kinda sucks. Like, you know, that the riches.

Yeah. And it's not glamorous. It's like like 6 days in a row, you don't go home. You're up until 4 in the morning. Like, it's a gritty It's

a grind.

You're grinding. Yeah.

Yeah. But The fact that they're not paying

well doesn't surprise me.

These people become movie stars, TV stars. Sometimes. Most of the time.

No. Actually, like, there's a lot of people who have come from us, and I'll but do you think about how many castmates there have been? It's not a guarantee.

No. It's nothing. Nothing in life is guaranteed, Trudy. But, like, every time you watch any comedy movie, like, all the second and third Yes. Actors are from SNL.

Like, you can't get yourself in a movie unless everybody hates you. In which case,

we're doubting yourself. It's go to therapy. Yeah. So interesting factoid. Yeah.

I thought that was it New York or New Yorker magazine? It was New York Magazine. They I thought it was cute. I don't know what the occasion was, but they got together.

I feel like they keep celebrating an SNL anniversary, like SNL 50 or 40.

This year. I remember SNL 4 day. They had that big star studded party.

Yes. So that was 10 years ago. Why would we remember it so clearly?

I feel like there was something much more recent. Maybe it was 45. No. I think they really only celebrate decades. That would be crazy if they're celebrating every 5 years.

So in 2014, we were we weren't even doing the show. Why would I remember so clearly a party?

I remember, though, SNL 40, like, a 100%. What was happening? Everyone was there. Adam Sandler. And they I think that was maybe 1 of the first times I realized how many famous people I know because they started on SNL.

Like, I was shocked at and, like, Molly Shannon, like, how every single funny person got their start.

Even this 1, I didn't realize Jason Sudeikis was on SNL.

I did. But he's done so much since then that he has eclipsed. Sometimes people never, you know they they go on to be famous, but they're always known for what they did on SNL.

Yeah. I feel like Molly Shannon's like that in a like, in a good but even, like, Tina Fey and Amy Poehler couldn't be more successful. Like, they're so SNL to me. Kristen Wiig. And I guess because they also, like, still are always swimming in that pool, whereas Jason Sudeikis is in other pools now.

Right.

Like, Chris Rock was Yeah. That's 1 I don't I don't think

about. Adam Sandler, of course. No. I don't think about. Jimmy Fallon.

Seth Meyers.

See. I know.

I think I think on Seth Meyers. Actually, don't quote me on that.

There's see, there's a lot like, most of the time and a lot of the time, like, you can have big success.

So Yeah. He was. Oh, yeah. He did a Gotta grind. Weekend update.

We oh, and yeah. That makes sense.

Cool. Cool. Alright. Now, of course, I'm doing famous SNL actors. I'm sure.

Joe Ferrell.

That he's so SNL. Even though he's

also Maya Rudolph. So SNL. Oh, Mike Myers.

Pretty SNL. That's like Wayne's brother. Right?

Yeah. Bill Murray. From Groundhog's Day? Yes. From

Not so SNL, but

I mean Groundhog's Day. Yeah. From I'm sorry. Caddyshack. Yeah.

Caddyshack. Fred Armisen and Andy Samberg. Classic. Andy Samberg is SNL. Cecily Strong is SNL, but she also, besides the Triska commercials, really didn't do much after leaving.

But, like, if she wants a small role in

a movie, she's got it. 1000%. Molly Shannon. Oh, Tracy Morgan.

Pretty SNL, but eclipsed. But I guess he's not SNL

because he's TGS.

Yeah. He's he's the girly show.

Julia Louise. It is TGS. TGSS, the girly swirly show. Julia Louis Dreyfus.

Yeah. I guess I I don't know if I knew that before I read about the shoes right now.

I don't know if I knew that either. Yeah. Because, like because I think of Seinfeld. And that's pretty much it for no. It says Robert Downey junior.

No. That's wrong. Yes. Even cast members who didn't have a memorable run on SNL have gone on to great yeah. Some people, like, flop and get fired after a couple seasons.

Like yeah. But they can still have greatness thrust upon them?

Ben Stiller. I guess he was, like, not great on it, so people don't know him from that. But he's also an epo baby. Interesting. If you if you go down, it's like an interesting rabbit hole.

It is. Even, like, modern Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Even modern people who, like, were on 5 years ago, if they've done something bigger, I kinda forget. Like Yeah.

Well but there's also we're still, like we're gonna we're, like, waiting to see a little bit. Like, what does Kate McKinnon go on

to do?

You know?

Yeah.

Yeah. Of course, Martin Short. Yeah. Robert Downey junior. Short lived.

He only appeared in the show from 85 to 86, 1 season. He has continued to consistently work after that starring in different films.

He could say he's consistently working.

Yeah. I think you could say that for sure. Same with Ben Stiller. I guess he, like, kinda flopped. Of course, Chris Farley.

Of course. And Sarah Silverman. Oh, she was only on for 1 season 2. She shit the bed. That's so interesting.

Yeah.

She only spent 1 season. Well It's also interesting to know, like, like, certain movies, like or comedy, like, concepts were born on SNL. Like, Superstar. Mary Kathryn Gallagher. Superstar.

We love that movie. I'm sorry. Yes. I had no idea Mary Kathryn Gallagher was an SNL bit turned into a movie. Yeah.

And I guess it makes sense why Will Ferrell was in it. It's such a good movie.

So good. Superstar.

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