Transcript of Thank You Amanda Batula: Wednesday, June 17th, 2026

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How you doing?

I'm good, thank you. I can't believe it's only Wednesday.

What? I know. There's been like so many hours spent watching TV this week and it, the day has just begun, you know?

And I finished my book last night. I was actually so close. Here's the problem with reading history books, if you wanna know, on your Kindle, is that there are so many footnotes at the end that actually you only have to get to 60% of the book and then the book is over. But the whole time I'm like, wait, I'm only at 58%.

Right, right.

I should go to sleep now 'cause I'm not finishing at any time soon. And then last night I endeavored to finish it and I had like, 20 more minutes left.

Yeah, that's—

That's why history's tough.

For many reasons.

Yeah, but I did finish the book. I don't know that I would recommend, it's not Swirly, I wouldn't recommend it to the Swirls, but it was nice to do something different for myself.

100%.

And to read something smart, you know? I barely read anymore.

We're so in our TV era and we're watching so much garbage brain rot.

I feel like exploring, the exploration of exploring.

Feel like, like exploring, like, and I say like a lot. So for me to have to acknowledge how bad these people are— nobody says it more than Corbin. Like, it's really a girly thing to say like a lot, but Corbin is the worst offender. So we're just watching like such disgusting brain rot.

I need to balance it.

Yeah, I need to start reading the encyclopedia or something.

Yeah, I think I'm going to keep reading as I watch Love Island so that my IQ does not drop.

Just to like, yeah, balance out the rot.

Yeah.

So Summer House last night, we had our bonus episode, which I feel like I'm very much in my accountability era, happy to say I was wrong about, 'cause it wasn't, sometimes they do like secrets revealed and they're just like milking something. No, this was very much, I thought it was gonna be like footage that just like was left on the cutting room floor. And it's like, well, it was on the floor for a reason, leave it there. No, this was like brand new and also, because Love Island is on now, it's like top of mind for me how quickly they turn around the episodes. And like, not them literally showing us something from May 27th, and it's not even June 27th yet, so it's been less than a month. So you are able to turn shit around quickly.

Like, yeah. However, it was like 3 conversations that were edited together. It's not like music and montage and everything.

Um, so I'm sorry, I want to say it was really good.

It was like a podcast. It was like 3 podcasts.

I was very happy to be wrong. It was excellent. Yeah. And I feel like the reunion kind of did leave a huge space and gap. And that's what Lindsay was saying, being like, we came here like to sort everything out and like nothing's been sorted out. I have no clarity. And I do think we have more clarity, a couple, a little bit more confusion too after last night's episode. So we will recap the Summer House.

Yeah, that will be the stories because that's like the lead story of the day.

Yeah.

Is that episode. And then I guess that's, that's a wrap on Summer House for a little bit.

And while I will miss it, Love Island is so time consuming that I need everything else to stop.

I will miss it, but I do need to, we need to send Amanda and West flowers.

Yeah. The numbers are in, you guys.

You know, we got our numbers for what month was that? April.

We get 8-week lead time. So like 8 weeks ago. Um, so yeah. What's, it's June. Yeah. April. We had our biggest month of Toast ever. Like in terms of streams, downloads, like there was a lot cuz also our top, our top episode was obviously Wes Mandeville.

Yeah.

But the Alex Cooper thing was also a top episode. There were a lot of big things that happened in that month, but of course Wes Mandeville is the reason for the season.

Wes Mandeville is our number one, like, listened to episode of all time. Of all time. And like, I wanna say thank you to them. I know you're going through it. Yeah, and we're still not finished. I know you're having a hard time, but thank you for that, 'cause I didn't know that that was happening.

I also wanna thank us, like, to be almost 9 years in the game and just have your biggest month ever. Like, that's a fucking slay. Sorry. And yeah, I know a lot of it was Amanda Batula on her back, but it was us too.

Yeah. And you could have chosen to listen to anyone's recap of it and you chose ours.

And I think we will look back on this time as like, yeah, so many people found us through that. We have that where we like, you know, the Bachelor Nation scandal when they had to close down production. A lot of people were with us, you You know, since then, because they found us through that. So I think Amanda Batalha doesn't really realize what she's done for us. And for that, thanks.

Yeah, no, I, I was like making sure I still follow her cuz I, I, I don't, I didn't know if I followed her or not. And I'm like, I, I wouldn't have like unfollowed her cuz of this, but I didn't even know if I followed her and I did. And I'm like, I'm never unfollowing you. Like, you're my queen.

Thank you. You're literally my queen. Like, keep doing what you're doing. Keep being crazy. Um, thank you so much. Wes too. But like really Amanda, cuz like it's her like, like, Like, he was always just like hated, you know? Yeah.

He's hated more than ever, but like, she— it just, it hurts my heart and my brain to think about like what happened there.

And she also acknowledged it for the first time ever on last night's episode where she was like, I literally threw my whole life away for a feeling.

Yeah.

We're like, yeah, you did.

No, it actually like hurts me to think about.

But now she's back with him. It's kind of like, you know when someone has like Alzheimer's or dementia and they like temporarily come back and they're like, oh, Sarah, they recognize their own children and stuff. And it's like this moment of clarity. It's fleeting, but you get that real connection. That's what that episode felt like, 'cause we know now she's like back with him stronger than ever.

Stronger than ever, but like in that episode, did they break up for a second or something? We'll talk about the episode, but I'm very confused, 'cause the way she's talking about him, it's either that they're broken up in that moment or she's going home to break up with him. They've been fighting and thinking about breaking up and they're gonna break up. And I almost wish we didn't know that they had just been in like Rome on this big trip.

I know.

Because the whole time I'm watching this, I'm like, null and void, because you two are still together and more serious than ever. Whereas in that conversation I'm like, are they about to break up?

Yeah.

So we'll discuss, we'll discuss Love Island. We actually have a lot of stories today, you guys. We'll talk about Jelly Roll and Bunnie.

Oh, that actually is really crazy. We'll talk about Trash Island, new name for the show with these trash bags, I hate them all.

I know, it's real, but like we're doing this to ourselves. I saw a funny comment that was like—

I saw it too.

That was like, I feel like the only people who are watching Love Island are the people who feel like on podcasts who feel like they have to talk about Love Island but they hate Love Island, but they can't not watch because they feel like we want them to watch, but we all like hate it and we're not watching.

But also, that's not— I see like all the TikToks of like fans being like, this season sucks, this season sucks, but like we're all watching it.

No, and also I was feeling the other week like nobody's watching Love Island. I feel like we are the only ones watching. And then I saw that their like first episode had the highest streaming of like any show on— I'm like, okay, everybody— not everybody, a lot of people are watching.

It's also the number one thing on Peacock, and I feel like everyone's on Peacock right now 'cause that's where the World Cup is. So I think they're getting like a real global audience. Yeah, it's huge. We have to keep watching.

No, and also I feel like sometimes people don't watch the first episode, but then everyone's talking about it. So like you get into it.

Yes.

But, and I've said this last season, I'll say it this season, and it's no different. It's not that this is a bad season, it's just a bad show and it's a bad format. And they pick like not intelligent people and people who are moving, you know, for the sake of making television, but they're also scared. And it's scary. And also it's like the show does not reward the things that it should reward. Like if you are in the same couple for, let's say, 6 recouplings, you should go to the hideaway for the rest of the trip. That's like on that show that only I watched, Perfect Match on MTV.

Yeah. Oh, literally the only show. You're the only person that watched that.

I'm the only person that watched it. But let me tell you how the show works. You're in a house with a bunch of people. You have to find your perfect match and every week they send you to the truth booth and did we find the perfect match? And if you found the perfect match, you guys go off into the honeymoon suite and we don't hear from you again. And so I feel like this show should do that so that people who aren't sure about their couple but are playing it safe are sort of forced to come out of it, cuz you don't wanna go into retirement over there, but you would do it if you found the love of your life.

Yeah, I think that the show actually is a good format. I think that there are, there's a couple of key elements they need to work on. Yeah, that does reward good behavior. I also think the concept of like hiring 21-year-old like take a note out of the Love Is Blind book. Like they're this uber successful dating show and they take the dating part seriously. Like everyone there is really wanting to date. Like I think I would love if they had like, not even like maybe like a 27-year-old, like a little bit older, a little bit more mature. Right, so much older. And you know what? It shows. That's my king right there.

It does. But also like they're, I think they're more interested in like the pornography that they're shooting versus the love aspect of the show.

And that's where they lose me. Like I choose love over porn.

Yeah, and I think back to like last season when like the girls like eliminated Hannah and Charlie or whatever, like, because— and they, they had the worst reasons. They were like, well, Hannah's already explored, so she should go home. We're like, this person hasn't explored, so they should stay. And it's like, you guys are making shit up. Meanwhile, like, Sierra and Nick, you should go. You should go to the honeymoon suite because you're boring now.

You're good.

And you're in love and you're happy and great. You came— what you— you did what you came here to do. You you still have the opportunity to win the show, but it would keep people on their toes more instead of being so complacent. And like, it rewards people to stay in unhappy couples because you get to stay on the show as long as you're in a couple. And that is an issue with the show because someone like Kenzie, who's like taking chances, she's also risking a lot because she could be left with nothing, but she's keeping the show moving.

So let's just dive into the stories 'cause we're sort of like circling the drain on Summer House, on Love Island, and like, it's just a TV recap kind of day. Try being a TV recapper for a day. Try it.

So without further ado-da-do-da-do, here are the Fast Five stories that you da do need to know.

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What can I say?

Okay, first story, Inside Summer House: The Aftermath. So Summer House: The Aftermath aired last night, and it was 3 conversations between 6 cast members. We had Amanda chatting with Lindsay at Lindsay's apartment, then Wes and Kyle chatting at Kyle and Amanda's former apartment, and then Sierra and Mija.

So I saw Lindsay. I feel like she's getting flack because she was pretty empathetic.

Um, and it was kind of—

Is that— Yeah. I saw her being like, I saw her being on Threads. Of course. Honestly, Summer House is gonna be the thing to get me to download Threads. She was like, uh, this part got cut out, but I told Amanda that like, if you can't act with integrity, like you can't be in my life. Cuz I think maybe she's getting flack for just being like a, a friendly shoulder. And it was kind of refreshing. I feel like Amanda was finally telling us stuff because she wasn't being berated. And she said that was like her trauma response in her relationship with Kyle. Like when she's getting yelled at, she just shuts down. Like it's So I think that's what we saw at the reunion. So the fact that like there was somebody there who wasn't just like out to get her and like prove her— like turn everything she said— it was kind of refreshing just to have a normal conversation. I'm not mad at Lindsay, she's allowed to be nice. No, and I feel like we berated Amanda, it hasn't worked. If we want to get some answers, like, let's try something different.

Lindsay's tone was 100% right. It was actually very impressive how she was able to be warm and tough and mad and nice. Agreed. And it was exactly, I think, the right conversation. Obviously Amanda felt comfortable enough, you know, she was on this at the same time like making fun of her but also like having, you know, caring for her. And as someone who was your friend once for 10 years, you don't just like—

100%.

Throw them in the garbage. Like she is a human being, she's obviously struggling. The magnitude, of course what she did is so bad, but like most people who would do that in their life and like sleep with their friend's ex like would never have to deal with what Amanda is now dealing with. And it's like, not a, a normal human experience. So I, I thought Lindsay Stone, I don't know what people are saying. I, I couldn't have written it better myself. And it produced the best conversation of the night.

So yes, I feel like they went downhill from there.

Oh yeah.

Of, of the 3 conversations, I would say this one was the most revelatory. Like we learned the most. I feel like I'm still confused, but I have a little bit more clarity on like timeline and stuff. Yeah.

And it's like, it was hard for Amanda cuz in that conversation she's trying to explain how she got to a place of saying yes to dating Wes. And so at the reunion, if she even tried to say, he makes me so happy, I never felt like— nobody wants to hear how much you love Wes. No one wants to hear how amazing you— like, so she's stuck between a rock and a hard place at the reunion. So she's not saying anything, and that's why we're not getting any details. Nobody wanted her to sit there across from Sierra and talk about how Wes likes her so much and all the things he said to her that he never said to Sierra.

So much of her explanation has to do with the fact that, like, she's traumatized from this borderline abusive marriage. And we completely rewrote history at the reunion. Kyle being a bad husband, yelling at her, was— we were lying about it. They were all rewriting the whole— so much of how she got to a place where she could be so stupid has to do with the 7-year torture chamber she was in. And the reunion was not a welcoming place to discuss that. It was an inconvenient truth. To the rest of the castmates.

Yes. But also like if she sat there and said like—

To Sierra's face, of course.

Her feelings about Wes, all the things that Wes has said to her that like Sierra would've only dreamed that he ever said to her, like that would've been insane. Rubbing it in.

Awful.

It would've been rubbing it in her face so she could say nothing. So this was a much better forum for her to share the details of how we fell in love. So not that we can ever understand it, but we could see how it happened.

Get into the mind of someone. So I will say this first conversation was definitely the best one. Like, I would say a word to describe it, like, relevatory. Like, we were learning things. The second one was, like, genuinely frustrating and confusing.

Yes. Lindsay and Amanda's conversation, though, like, really made me feel like Lindsay— like they were about to break up. What happened in that time period? Because they are so not broken up.

It would have been— the whole conversation feels pointless and moot because we know that she does continue to date him exclusively, travel, meet his family. So it's like she felt this way at one point, and this point, that was I think May 20th or May 13th, um, that's a month ago. So, oh great, glad you felt that way for 10 seconds, but you don't feel that way anymore, so this is kind of pointless.

And I do feel like what Lindsay was saying in the episode and also in her thread tweet is that as long— for as long as Amanda's dating Wes, like, they cannot be friends. If you break up with him and you start to course correct, like, then, you know, maybe we could find a path to forgiveness, but like you're still doing the thing.

My, I know that what she did is bad, right, right, right. But like hearing her explain it, and I'm glad she finally got the opportunity to explain it, 'cause it doesn't make it less bad, but you could see how somebody's so damaged and like so, yeah, it's like mean, the word Sierra used, but it's true. She's like very vulnerable and weak, how she could be susceptible to something like this. Like Sierra was not even a thought in her mind.

Yeah, I think actually, um, a lot of what she said I think exonerated her a little bit. Like how when she was still married to Kyle, up until the day she separated from Kyle, Wes would always invite her around. I think he invites a lot of people and she always said no.

Yes, the screenshots.

And she always said no. And then after Kyle, she's sitting in her apartment like so depressed and someone invites her to watch a game here or there and she goes because she should be going to stuff and Wes is her friend. And I guess in the way that Lindsay says it, and I don't know Wes enough to use these words, but this is what Lindsay knows him, that he really manipulated her. He sees this like weak, sad, broken person who has no one apparently, even though like, why didn't she call Sierra to go out?

I don't know.

Correct.

And Sierra was calling her a lot.

Right, right. And really like takes advantage of the situation. But my question is like, to what end? Like, so in Wes's perfect world what happens here? Because there's no way that he dates Amanda and it goes well in his life.

Well, I think maybe he thought he had like really successfully hidden this relationship all summer long, that maybe he could hide this one until they got to a place where they could like launch it. It was never gonna go over amazingly, but if they had like really kept it quiet for like 6 months and then soft launched it, brought it up, There are better ways to have done it. But the thing is, is that he won't even commit to it. So then the next conversation, Kyle is like, do you love her? He can't even say yes. And like, the only way that this could be better— it's never gonna be good— is that Amanda, she's sitting on the couch with Lindsay and she says she felt so broken and Wes made her feel this way. And it all— and she's not alluding to them breaking up. She's saying, you know, it healed me. And she's saying all good things. And then Kyle's like, do you love her, bro? And Wes is like, yes. And like, a romantic person could see but he won't even say that he loves her. He's like, I said it in her room.

You love her. All you guys are weird and touch each other and tell each other that you love each other. That's not what he was asking you.

Yeah. I'm glad that Kyle— I felt like Wes was sitting down with her dad. That was the energy. Like, what are your intentions with my daughter?

Yeah.

I was glad that Kyle mentioned that you are inappropriate and the touchiness is inappropriate, but like, it also needs to be a referendum on the house.

Group problem. Group problem.

And he's not the only one doing it. Maybe he's the worst.

Jesse, Sierra?

Everyone. Everyone is touchy and inappropriate. Lines have been blurred for a while.

Yep.

It was very frustrating and like, so word salad-y when he was like, do you love her? And he was like, yeah, I mean, I told her this summer I love her. I'm like, are you a fucking idiot?

So when he said yes, I was like, oh my God, maybe he is changed. And then he was like, I mean, I told her in your room. And Kyle's like, what? That was really crazy. He was frustrating the fucking hell out of me.

I did appreciate— That was insane. That was, how stupid do you think we are?

I did appreciate the context of, Who asked who for the conversation? Who wanted to film it? Um, and I love that Wes thinks like he's still being protected. He obviously got comfortable getting a good edit cuz he is a bad guy, like objectively just a bad guy. And he's gotten this like darling fun boy edit. So I think he still thinks he has that layer of protection because he's like, you know, and I mean, we'll cut this, but I didn't want— and it's like, well, we're not cutting it actually. I love that.

Yeah. Yeah, and then they flash back to like the times that Mija came up. You guys.

So then we transition to the third conversation, which was definitely the low point of the episode. And I feel like this like, you know, revenge becoming best friends with the girl behavior is so beneath Sierra.

Like, I was shocked. The whole conversation was so beneath Sierra. And like, I don't know whose decision it was for like Sierra's role in that episode to be the conversation with Mija. But that gave nothing. It gave less.

I'm sorry, if they wanted to give, bring in the big guns. Like have Sierra sit down with Paige.

Yeah.

That's what the people wanna see.

Or Hannah Burner.

Yes! Oh my God, wait, literally yes.

Yeah, that conversation was actually like, it did actually less than nothing. I found it to be very negative.

It negated some of the goodwill.

It negated, it was very much like losery behavior. The way that they were talking, like, and also—

Giggling over mimosas.

And Mija coming on the show actually made me think of the situation, like, in a worse way for Mija. Like, up until the reunion, I thought like, okay, he has a secret girlfriend, she thinks that she's his girlfriend, and like, you know, she's heartbroken, whatever. And then listening to her talk on the couch, how she like willingly was a doormat and like doesn't ask for anything, and just— of course he's gonna walk all over you. You laid on the ground like a doormat.

Yeah, it was not a good moment for women, if I'm being honest. Like, and even her sitting there, like, she's clearly hung up on him. Like, he's like, I mean, we, she's like, I mean, and he and I, we have to talk mostly over the phone now because of her. Like, it was just corny as hell.

The more we hear and see from Mija, like, the more I think it like, it starts to like vindicate West.

Like— Well, no, no, because let me tell you why. One, we needed to hear from her because when they kept bringing her up, I'm like, who cares that he was like hooking up with this girl? But the timeline, the only thing we actually got a lot of timeline on during the reunion was the fact that he had a full-blown girlfriend the entire summer. Like, that's actually crazy. It really speaks to his demonic character. Like, that's insane. Like, you're going on a single guy show, you have a fucking girlfriend that you're keeping secret. But also, let us not forget—

She wasn't his girlfriend.

There is a girlfriend. No, no, he keeps saying, I let her think we were exclusive. Like, sorry, what's the difference between exclusive and having a girlfriend? I hate that sort of semantic.

No, but like he says, and I still need clarity on this 'cause he says like, she thought we were exclusive and it's like, well, why? Did she just assume you're exclusive? No, I think it's because he told her.

And he just couldn't say what he was trying to say to Kyle is that he was cheating on her. That's the word we're looking for. She thought we were exclusive and like, I was not good about that. Oh, so you cheated.

I was not good about that.

Cheated. Like he couldn't say the word. So yes, you had a girlfriend you were exclusive with and you cheated on her. Like these words are not being said. He's so manipulative. With like his confusing language.

Well, because he never used those words when he was with her. He never— he probably never said exclusive. He probably that day was like, I'm not, you know, with seeing other people, because like that day he hadn't seen another person. But like, you know, he just— so at the time he probably never said like, we are in an exclusive relationship. I would never said relationship, never said girlfriend. And so he thinks that those things like make him a good guy when he goes out and cheats on her. But no, it's like, it's not even about the cheating. You're a bad guy because you won't have that conversation with her.

And so he's wrong for all of that, but like there needs to be just like a small conversation had about the woman who willingly was like kept in the dark setting up furniture for the man who went on the TV show pretending he didn't have a girlfriend. Meanwhile, they do a montage of all the pictures. Not one of those pictures is outside of a bed. He won't even take you outside. He won't even take you to see the sun. Like that's insane. So it's like we're supposed to be stanning this queen and it's like Sierra, Get away from her. Like, it was such a bad look for everyone, and I just thought it was so beneath Sierra. Like, Sierra's so elevated now, and the whole thing is like, you're so hung up on this guy, Sierra, and he's a loser, and you're better than him, you're prettier than him, you're smarter than him. And it's like, here she is still being like giddy over like, oh, he's taking him down, and like, it's like, girl, go to Fiji. Like, you're a star now, get out of here.

Yeah, no, it was bad. I like—

the episode got worse as the conversations went on.

It was bad. And I really think the less we hear about the situation, the more we can imagine like how bad it was. And then also when when he cheated on Mija with Amanda. Like, to me, that just again, like, proves the feelings that he had for Amanda. He was— he wouldn't get serious with Mija because I don't think he, like, liked Mija. When he said to, to Kyle— and finally a fucking honest moment— when he was like, she asked me to go home with her for Christmas and I said, I don't think that we're there yet, but you know, that's me trying to say, like, I don't like you enough to do those things. And he won't actually say that, but you'll string girls along. And that's why he's a dick, because he'll take everything from them without giving them anything and without even giving them, like, the full honesty and just letting them—

But then there are girls who accept that.

Right, there are girls who accept that and letting them wonder. So that's clearly what was happening between the two of them. It's not like he was so worried about filming or he just didn't like her enough to become truly official. Because there's no reason he couldn't have brought a girlfriend to the house.

Why couldn't she go to the house, be a new castmate?

Especially when Ben halfway through the season brought a girlfriend. He could have been like, oh, I'm allowed to do that, great, and done it.

Me too, yeah.

But no, then Amanda becomes single. Oh, and he's got another girl. Then Amanda becomes single and he goes and cheats on Mija with her because he likes her more and now he's staying with her.

Right, and so this is like the first time, as far as we know, that he's acknowledged someone like publicly as his relationship.

Mm-hmm.

And as far as we know, hasn't cheated on her.

I think we would know if he cheated on, as far as we know, hasn't cheated on her since the statement. 'Cause people will be like, he cheated on you in March. And I think March was very fuzzy for them. Since the statement, I think it's been the two of them. And I think if he cheated on her, the world would know because like, Seriously, everyone is all eyes on them.

And so yes, coming on the heels of like him being fired, it's like, well yeah, he's the pot stirrer, but he gives nothing. Amanda finally gave something last night. And you know what? I was like, you know what? I kind of wanna see her on In the City. And call me crazy, but she looked better. She looked a little bit lighter and happier. And like, she, it was just, it wasn't as sad to see her like someone so depressed. So I feel like there's a future for her, but if she's with him, I don't know how.

Yeah. Yeah.

They should have had Hannah Berner. Like, that's seriously the best call.

Yeah, 'cause that conversation, I feel like Sierra's like, you know, the main—

Star.

Like, victim in this whole situation. Even, I know people also Kyle, and I agree, Kyle, 'cause it's the best friend, but like really it's about Sierra who was so betrayed and so hurt. Such a good fucking friend to Amanda.

Because Sierra doesn't have one allegation against her.

She was never a bad friend, never a bad partner. She gave everything to Amanda. She gave everything to the kids.

Kyle was borderline abusive to his wife.

We're not forgetting that. So now coming there and being like, I care about Amanda, it's like, why don't you care about her for 10 years?

Enough to stop yelling at her.

Right, and so for Sierra's conversation to be so low and like not empowering, not uplifting.

I think she would have been better off not in it.

Yeah, I thought it was just, it was weenie, the whole thing. The whole thing was weenie. And it did still give the vibe that she's hung up on him. Also, we could have had Sierra and Mia.

Yeah, sure, love Mia.

Yeah, like anyone else. And do you think Mija's gonna be on the show now?

Oh God, I really hope not.

Like, is that the show we're getting?

Probably. Like, why would it, she's just like everyone else.

Yeah, and she— they're bringing her into the show, like, she's mic'd up and everything. She got a large chunk at the reunion.

Yeah, I hope not.

Yeah, like, she's there to, like— she shows that, like, Wes is not who he said he was. He lied to the audience for a long time. But, like, as far as, like, her—

and I just want to say that's a worthwhile role. It really speaks to We thought he was just like a fuckboy. No, that's like an actual bad person.

Like, that—

her role is important for that. But like, okay, thank you.

Yeah, they are using her though also to like sort of drive a wedge between like Wes and Amanda. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, the day Amanda like looked at him and was like, okay, like, he ran from me.

He ran. Yeah, it's true.

So, so yeah, I'm glad to know like Wes is even worse than we thought he was.

It's true. I I had a moment watching him sit on the couch and I think it really sunk in for me. Like, it's, you know what it really is? It's the smallest man who ever lived where it's like, you should literally be in jail. Like the shit you do is so like legit evil.

Yeah, but you won't serve time.

You'll slide into inboxes and slip through the vines, bars, whatever the word is.

Yeah, no, that conversation was infuriating to watch. I don't know how all these girls can be in a relationship with him and he can't speak.

True. So I don't know what further clarity we will get because the big question is like Amanda felt this way but is very much in a full committed relationship with him.

We need another episode. Just like keep dropping convos. They need a podcast. They should all go on Carl's.

Well, you see Lindsay went on Carl's.

I did, I did.

I watched a bunch of like long form clips this morning. I ship, Lindsay ship.

Carl wasn't in the episode. No, neither was Jesse.

They're both like ancillary characters. It was kind of core members only plus me, huh?

Yeah, no, but like Jesse—

well, Jesse and Wes I think are like fully on the outs because, you know, he released his timeline last week. Like, I don't think that they're—

yeah, of course. No, as Jesse should be. Like, I think also, one, he was lied to by his best friend, and then he's realizing like his best friend's like not like a crazy demonic liar person he thought he was. I think he knew he was like a fuckboy, like whatever, but like, of course, but so is Jesse. Not a man of integrity.

No, and I think when we think of fuckboy, like it's a very like light term. It's, you know, somebody who hooks up a lot and is like non-committal. This is so not that. That's what Jesse is. He hooks up a lot and he's non-committal.

Yes.

West is a demon.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Now the long-awaited Bunny XO, Jelly Roll divorce.

Exactly, it's number 2. Bunny XO and Jelly Roll are getting divorced. Jelly Roll filed for divorce from Bunny XO after nearly 10 years of marriage, citing irreconcilable differences. A source tells People magazine that the two still love each other, but are no longer on the same page.

And I wanna say I understand why people are freaking out about this.

Okay, please share.

So first of all, their origin story is insane. Like long before they were famous, he was like a homeless convict. I wanna say drug addict, right?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. She was a Vegas, She's a sex worker. Yes, thank you. I put it—

The people, per People Magazine, I'm reading about their backstory.

They met, she like really helped him get his life together. She helped him get custody of his daughter. She raised his daughter. They are so in love. And yes, he ended up becoming a major star, losing a lot of weight.

She's a major star too. She has a huge podcast. Yes.

She has a huge podcast. She really loved him, like, because it's easy to love someone who's rich and famous, right?

Yeah.

But like—

No, but she was there.

She, when he was on the balls of his ass, she helped him get his first one-bedroom apartment. She was paying the rent. Like, she loved this guy, like really loved. They have this whirlwind romance, this fairytale, like literally overnight he is a star, money like that you can't even imagine, so, so famous. Divorce? Like, it's— it actually is shocking, especially because their content, her podcast, Instagram, his music is like all about their love. They're very affectionate. They go to music awards, PDA. Like, this is just one of the last people I thought would get divorced.

Also, we had discussed like a few months ago that at some point in the relationship, like, he cheated on her and she forgave him. And that's also a big part of their story. So it's like, what can't they survive? Like, what actually finally came between them when they've been through the hardest things?

They do have like a pretty like big passionate constituency of haters, and there are a lot of theories about them.

The Duggars?

No, but like people who make like long-form content, like a documentary about them, people are obsessed with them. I'm not entirely sure what the drama is. There's like drama with their megachurch. I don't know. So if you wanna go down that rabbit hole, I'm sure you could find like some people saying what the reasons are. I don't know. I am sure shocked, like genuinely surprised.

Yeah, I haven't seen anything as far as reasons. His daughter spoke out.

Um, what did she say? Like, literally, Buddy is like her mother.

She said, oh, and one more thing, I'm disgusted at how invested everyone is in a very clearly private family matter. It's fucking crazy. Go on somewhere, y'all. Worry about your house, not mine. I'm not speaking on it yet.

She's speaking to those constituency of haters, mind you.

Oh, oh, okay, cuz I'm like, well, I think it's natural that we're all a little—

She's not talking about us.

Curious, you know, it's a ship I think for a lot of people that was a huge ship because I, and I more so know that from all the comments yesterday. I was shocked that people were like so shocked that we didn't talk about it yesterday when it broke yesterday morning. And I already had 6 stories. I'm not gonna lie, that wasn't even the 6th one. Yeah, I think that it's, even if you're not like a big Gaby Ro fan— But I just hear that I choose the story ones that Jelly Roll is running a 5K, but then I didn't choose the story that Jelly Roll's getting divorced from his lovely wife of 10 years.

In your defense, when you chose the 5K story, it was a Friday and it was like a dark time. Like there was not a lot going on. So in your defense, but listen, we're talking about it now, you know?

Yeah, no, no, no. But I guess, I guess that's kind of crazy. But you know, there was just a lot going on.

Mm-hmm.

And I had no idea that they, these two like had so much, Yes, they have a lot of support. Love and support too. Like, I mean, I don't think the people who were commenting yesterday wanting to hear us talk about it were part of the haters at all.

No, no, it's just—

I think it's like they're like they're John Krasinski and Emily Blunt, you know?

Yeah, it's the sheer surprise. Like, I think that is what is catching people off guard because like, I'm sure it was just last week that, you know, she's posting on her Instagram. Like, usually you can sniff these things out. People stop posting one another.

There was none of that. They listed the date of separation as May 9th. On the divorce filing.

I'm so curious. And you know, she has a big podcast. They share a lot, like parts of yourself that you would like never share. And they're very much open books. I mean, he talks about his time in prison. He did armed robbery. He was a drug addict. She was a sex worker. Like these are people who share. So I'm sure we will find out.

And he filed.

Yeah.

Yeah, curious.

And people are always, 'cause if you look at them, she's like sort of this like va-va-voom blonde bombshell. And up until recently, he was this sort of, you know, you know. And so people are always like, she's with him for the money. And it's like, girl, she used to pay his rent. Like this was a true love. It really was. So how did we get here? I have no idea.

Yeah, true love's dead.

Yeah, it was true love's kiss.

Yeah, well, we'll keep you posted.

Yeah.

If anything further emerges. Are you ready for our next story?

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Swift leaves a music studio with Haim sisters after an all-night recording session. Taylor Swift was spotted at a New York City music studio, Electric Lady Studios. Electric Lady Studios. Didn't someone get married there? How do you get married at a studio?

Yes, so that's what, it's not confirmed if, She was there, you know, 'cause she got there at like 6:00 PM and she left at 5:00 in the morning. So everyone's like, oh my God, she wrote a whole album.

Yeah.

And we're all excited about the musical elements of it. And like Taylor haters are saying that like she saw the pictures of Joe Alwyn and Sarah Pidgeon.

Yeah, that's our next story.

Or our double story. Carolyn Bessette, the actress Sarah Pidgeon, was spotted with Joe Alwyn like 2 or 3 times and there's paparazzi pictures of them kissing. So he has a new lady.

Yeah.

And she's like kind of the it girl. So people think that like Taylor's pissed and she went to the studio. When I tell you, I actually—

Worse than— okay, he's allowed to have a new girlfriend, but like he's doing all the things with Sarah that he would never do with Taylor.

Oh, that's true, actually. So that is so unworthy. Yeah, but if—

I just want to say, like, it could be called like, I Thought You Said, and it's like, oh, I like that. All the things he said.

Double standard. Double standard. Except that, like, unfortunately but not with me. Oh, I like that actually. Unfortunately for Joe Alwyn, like his relationship, the longest of Taylor's entire dating history, like seemed to have had like the least impact on her musically. Like we got Tortured Poets and we were like, oh, Joe Alwyn. Literally there was one song about him and it was nice. Like he's not really a thought for her sadly. Like her, you know, situationship Matty Healy was more inspiring than Joe Alwyn was musically. I actually think that while the timing, yeah, maybe seems that way, like, unfortunately for Joe, like, she really doesn't care.

Yeah, I think also with like Maddie—

And I'm sure part of her is like happy.

With Maddie, he's like, no, but not with me. Not— that's— she's gonna let it rip because I understand, like, go have a new girlfriend, that's fine, I'm getting married, but you're doing all the things that you said that you would do, but not with me.

Except what is he doing?

Like walking down the street kissing? Hands around each other.

So when they were kissing, it was like in a bar or a restaurant. So like the paparazzi picture was like photographing them from the outside.

Claudia, in 6 years of a relationship, we never got these photos that we got in 3 days.

Yeah, because like he can't go anywhere with Taylor. I'm sure he thought they're in Brooklyn.

She walks down the street, Taylor.

No, she doesn't.

She could, like she with, you know, a team around him behind her.

She does not walk down the street. She goes from the car to the curb.

Right, but like she walks there. But he wouldn't even walk to the curb with her.

Well, he wouldn't walk to the curb with her, that's true. But like, these were like photographed moments. I genuinely think that these photos are like, were taken completely without consent. Like, I don't think he knew the paparazzi was there.

Of course, of course.

Like with Taylor, there's, you can't ignore, it's like hordes of people. Not saying that he's right, he was so wrong for that. Like, and he made her life so miserable. Like the difference in her now versus her then, like her music, seriously, some of the music is so fucking depressing.

It's like, girl, you're a billionaire and you're skinny and blonde. Like why are you Why are you upset? Go have fun.

Now the music reflects like the skinny billionaire blonde that she is.

Yeah.

So yeah, he was like life ruining in a lot of ways. I'm certainly not taking his side, but this is not the same as dating Taylor. It's just not.

I just feel like— And I don't think she's fighting for him.

No, no, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Because even dating Taylor, look at Travis and Taylor. Look at everything we got about them.

Of course.

They're big, they're larger than life. And we get moments from them all the time and they don't care. But Joe Alwyn cares.

Yeah, it was him. It was him.

So it's doable, even if, okay, they're not gonna walk down the street to go grab a slice with Taylor, but like, You can be spotted in your relationship with Taylor. Travis and Taylor do it all the time and they're having a great time.

And it's made her life so much better.

It's so funny, we used to like argue and I would always like say like, Joe Alwyn's like a sweetie heart pants and you're like, no he's not.

He's not, he's the devil.

And now I'm like, he's the devil and you're like, well.

Well, no, no, I think that like, what he's, if he has no haters, I passed away, give my best to Romeo. Like I hate him. But him going on a date and being photographed is not the same as like him not wanting to walk red carpets and like do things like with Taylor, you know?

Taylor and Travis do things that are not red carpets.

Yeah, of course, 'cause that's how it should have been.

Yeah.

Oh, that's how it always should have been.

No, like even if he didn't wanna do red carpets, like Timothée and Kylie don't do red carpets and we get Timothée and Kylie.

All's that to say, I actually don't think she went to the studio like having anything to do with Sarah Pidgeon. Like I think that either A, there was an event of some sorts because they have a lot of parties at Electric Lady, the same way she like goes to Zerobahn. Staying out till 5:00 AM is like not something Taylor does party-wise. It's probably something she does like, I was up in the studio writing music all night, not like I was out drinking all night. So hopefully, and also her outfit, she was wearing jeans, she looked really cute. It was very Midnight's coded. It's more of an outfit you write music in than like party in.

I agree. The Haim sisters are also wearing jeans, flats, and sweaters. And she's wearing jeans and like a collared sweater. So yeah, I don't think it was a party 'cause if it was, she wouldn't have been out so late, especially like weeks before the wedding.

Right, right.

But I think like maybe the inspiration took over and she's writing bops, maybe about—

A wedding album.

Maybe, or like she is writing But Not With Me, or she's writing her love songs for Travis.

I really refuse to believe like she's being taken out of her bridal bubble to write a song about Joe Alwyn, for real. She's had 2 boyfriends since him, like deadass.

But every feeling she has since she's a girl, like she gets down on paper and like—

No, I'm saying I don't even think she has those feelings.

I think, I think she will.

She's getting married, her whole life, this is like the most romantic, whimsical, fairytale-obsessed girl. I'm telling you, she's not thinking about Joe Alwyn right now. She's writing like a—

She might be like writing an original song for her wedding, like much like Jessie James Decker.

Oh, an original song for her wedding. Who do you think's gonna perform at her wedding? Ed Sheeran.

Oh, I didn't think about it.

Like, do you think she'll have someone sing her down the aisle? Like Stevie Nicks, for sure.

No, I don't know. We talked about this the other week. Like, performers just don't do it for me.

I know, but like, if you're Taylor Swift, do you have like a regular old wedding band?

Yeah.

A DJ?

There's nothing more fun than that. I agree.

And there's so many good ones. Manhattan has like the best bands.

Okay, I guess if I'm Taylor Swift, I could have anyone perform at my wedding.

And think of who she's like friends with.

Well, I guess I would want like whatever my first song is gonna be, I would want that live.

So— Well, I guess also we have to consider Travis's taste in music too. I think maybe we'll have a Morgan Wallen performance.

Whatever they're like, what do you think their first song is? And then have the person who sings it come sing it. Yeah.

That's nice. I think it could be Ed Sheeran, deadass, like perfect. She's so corny like that.

But then I'd also have Bruno Mars for sure to get the party started. Yeah.

I could see also having like Bon Jovi come and do like the after party.

No, I would have my wedding band be like Bruno Mars and the Hooligans. And I'd say like, I'm sorry Bruno, but you are working for 5 hours.

Straight. Yes, I will pay your fee of $100 million. I will free you from the shackles of MGM Casino.

Because that would be the most amazing wedding band because every wedding band is trying to be like them.

But also we have to look back historically. Taylor has, as far as I know, like not one relation, like iota of a relationship, association, memory, photo. Like you have to think of who she's friends with and who would she would ask.

No, I know, but that's what kind of makes it better. Like I'm just hiring you like —coming, you would never have been invited. I suppose like Ed Sheeran needs to take a break from drinking to go and perform. You know how difficult that was when you performed at my wedding.

I also think like a lot of people will just like get up and sing, people who weren't like contracted to perform.

Yeah, that was like my wedding.

Yeah. Everyone just picked up the mic.

Everyone just picked up the mic.

As we fucking should. Like when you have so many performers, like that's what we do.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's totally what it's gonna be like. Hopefully it's new music, and hopefully the Haim sisters were just like there watching and not contributing or collaborating or getting in any meaningful way, because like, I really don't like when they make songs together. Their mom's favorite songs, like what was that one, that like fake murder?

Yeah, I actually like that one, but then she also did a song for them called like Gas, Gaslight or something. It's not my favorite.

Not for me.

For me. For me.

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Our next story, Ballerina Farm is happy with her choices, reports Vulture. So, um, Vulture sat down with Ballerina Farm at the farm of Ballerina and conducted a wide-ranging interview with her. Of course, they touched on yesteryear, you know, the culture, the tradwifery, and what the reen is up to.

Like all the hoopla around like the tradwife conversation, which really starts and ends with Ballerina. I'm surprised she did press because I feel like she was so burned by that moronic Sunday Times interview that like she doesn't need press. Her company's successful. Like why do press? I don't know. I don't know either. This one was a Q&A format and I thought a lot of the questions were really dumb. I think that we put so, she just basically said like, this is what I do. I like to farm, I like to have babies. None of this is like performative. Yes, we made a business out of it. Yes, maybe some people think it's a lot of kids, but like none of this is for any other reason than the fact that like it's what I want to do. The fact that it ignites these conversations about parental leave, and it's really not her fucking problem.

Wait, but what should the government do about parental leave?

So we're asking her those questions and it's like objection relevance. Irrelevant. No, it's not that it's irrelevant, it's like why is it on her? Her?

No, I, I really don't know.

People are obsessed with her. They put so much emphasis and meaning about feminism and culture and motherhood and like counterculture on her. They put even— yesteryear was obviously about her. Like, people, they put it all on her and it's like, she's just a girl. Like, that's literally what the interview was like. I'm just a girl doing what I like.

No, what I don't understand is like, what's What's the big deal? What's the big deal? I mean, I understand why I love Ballerina Farm. I think her content's amazing. I think she's so inspiring. Like, she's literally Superwoman and she's better than all of us, and like, we can only aspire to— and I know she only like puts out the best bits and bobs, but still, like, you're running like a huge business, you have 9 children, you're homeschooling them, like, you are doing the most. So I think that's amazing. But like, what's the big fucking deal with everyone else just being—

is it tradwife or not?

Like, yeah, what is it for women? Is she setting women back? She's a fucking business owner and a huge one at that. Like, she— I don't get the big deal. Like, what is she doing that is so offensive to people other than like enjoying and living and loving her life and her family? Even the title, Ballerina Farm is Happy with Her Choices. Was that a question?

It's so condescending.

Was that a qu— why would she not be happy with her choices? It's like she has children, she obviously loves it so much she had 9 of them. That's not someone who's unhappy with her choice to be a mother.

Yeah, I think for a while the peop— the opposition was saying like, she's unhappy, she was forced into this life, her husband stalked her, he makes her have children. Like, there was a lot of that, and that's what I think what the fallout was from that original Sunday Times article. And so now this article is meant to like be clarifying that like, no, no, she's very much in control. Um, and okay, good. I think a lot of her detractors say that like she sets women back because she's very domestic and that her domesticity has turned into a business. So it's like she's encouraging other women to be domestic and like, you know, sort of defer to their man for the more traditional roles while she herself is quite traditional. It's like, she's not saying any of this. You're all interpreting it in a way that is convenient for the argument that you're making. When her, what she said, she's like, I'm literally just over here doing my thing. Like I'm literally, you interpreting it to mean this and you, that's really more of a reflection on you.

I think the only reason why she's bad for women is because she like makes It makes the rest of us look bad. Look, no, no. It's like we're not doing enough. 'Cause we could be doing that.

If we wanted to have like a valid criticism of her, like for me, 'cause I'm not like inspired by anything she does. She doesn't like, I mean, it's obviously inspirational, but like she doesn't make me want to dress like her, eat like her, cook like her, live like her. It's fun to watch. It really is. Like, it's very interesting for me to watch. I think that one could say, She sets a high standard.

Yeah.

Which is not a bad thing.

We're saying the same thing. The bar is high. She shows the world what a woman is capable of. And so those of us who are not doing all that are kind of like, what are the— Yeah, I think a lot of the time— Like obsessed with like, sort of catching her and like, well, what can't you do? And then she has to be like, well, I don't like doing laundry and I'm actually like not that tidy. It's like, why do we have to know her weaknesses? Like, why can't we just like support her strengths and like think that's awesome? Like, no, we have to know. That she has dishes in the sink. Like, I don't need to know that. I figure she has dishes in the sink.

I think this is not just about ballerina friend, but like just in general, when we comment on other, mostly women's life, lifestyle, culture, like it's more often than not a reflection on the person who's commenting. Like for me, like I'm very secure in my life. Like I know I'm a good wife. I know I'm a good mom. I know I'm a good business owner. Like I don't need to look to influencers or content creators to make me feel good or bad about it. And I think as a culture, so much of our like issues where we like disagree on stuff is because like we're looking to celebrities, influencers, like to be role models and to help us feel good about our own lives. And it's like, we wouldn't be having these conversations if everybody was just like happy with where they're at. People aren't. So they blame it on Ballerina Farm.

And this idea that like, if you share your life and the highlights of it, because I don't wanna see your dishes in the sink. Like genuinely when I watch comfort creators, and they like go about their morning and they start unloading the dishwasher. Every single time I turn it off, I don't wanna see you unloading your dishwasher. I don't— Oh, that's funny. I don't wanna see the dishes.

I like pretty dishes. I disagree.

I like pretty dishes.

Don't just show me the dishes. If you're gonna do them, that makes me feel good. It's like, I feel like I did the dishes. I like seeing people like complete tasks.

I like to complete tasks. I don't wanna see you doing your dishes. That is not—

I like when Emily Kaiser does it. When she like loads and unloads, I like it.

Oh, make it quick. I wanna see it fast. Oh, she does, she does. Do it like a snack. Snap and, and, but don't lose me in the dishwasher. But it's like this idea that because you share your life, you obviously shared all the good parts. It's like, well, we're all entitled to know the other parts. The bad parts. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. This is social media. That's not how that works. I'm showing you the best and the Pargiest. I've not, I don't owe you anything. I don't owe you seeing the things that I didn't do or the things that I outsourced. Just look at what I'm showing you. Like, it's so weird that people feel like, oh, you have to show us all of this ugly shit. Well, I think that— No, you don't.

That goes back to like those people being insecure. So it would make them feel better to know that she had someone do her dishes. And it's like when you're outsourcing your like self-assuredness to an influencer, like that, the problem is not the influencer. The problem is you.

Yeah.

That's how I feel also about like beauty standards. Like it's how I feel about like so much internet culture actually. When we have these big conversations that it's always like we're blaming women for not showing enough and sharing too much and getting plastic surgery or not getting plastic surgery. Well, it's like, well, if you were just happy with yourself, like, you wouldn't have a problem with what Khloé Kardashian's doing. No. So let's focus on self-love. Actually, I think that's like what we should all be writing articles about.

Yeah. So I think like everyone is really out of control.

I guess this book, Yesterday, or is really resurgence of the ballerina conversation.

And the book is insane. The book is insane. If you guys want to hear about the book and how insane it is, like, listen to the Redheads because you don't to read, if you're not going to read the book, like, just listen to the episode and you'll understand. Like, the plot of the book is insane. The main character, who's based on Ballerina, is the most insane individual that you've ever— like, an actual crazy psychopath, child-abusing psychopath.

What's so upsetting to people about Ballerina Farm is, like, she really walks the walk and talks the talk. Like, you go, she doesn't have a TV, she doesn't— like, if you went to her house— and she did, she let that reporter into her house.

Yeah, another stupid question, like, secret lives and You are really like dominating pop culture right now. Like, what do you think?

She doesn't even know what pop culture is.

Like, she's like, I don't watch TV, so I'm not really the one to ask about pop culture.

So that's the frustrating part. I think people are really looking for gotcha. Look, she has a, a media room.

Like, let me tell you, if she did, I wouldn't care.

Yeah, but that's because you have, are happy in your own life.

I know, I know. And I'm like, sound of my, I just like, there's nothing like, she makes nice content. She makes actually great products. Helping people get nice food, showing them how to present to their families. I have her starter, my starter.

And I just wanna say I have none of her products and I've like, I, and I get them in PR and I give them away. Like I'm not her target consumer. I just don't care. Like normalize, like just looking at, look like I know when you're like an internet person, like you're, you're, the job is to like get people to comment. But like seriously, people get so deranged when it comes to her and it's because she's the real deal.

Yeah, but even if she wasn't, even if what she's showing us is just what she's showing us and there's all this other shit behind the scenes, I don't care.

Yeah.

But also like, I do believe, but not that it would matter, I do believe that like that's who she is. She just puts up the phone and films. Of course she like edits it and puts on nice lighting and then leaves her dishes for someone else to clean up.

Yeah.

Like, duh, she has 9 kids.

Yes, normalize using discernment on social media and not like, you know, demanding the most highest level of transparency. Why don't you just use your fucking brain?

Yeah, yeah. I'm shocked that she sat for another article. This one was obviously like a little bit friendlier and just sort of like—

Lower stakes.

Let her speak her mind. But I was— I wonder why she did it, like what she needs out of it. And like, yeah, why she would do it again after being burned so bad. Even if she needed something from the media, like why would you go back? Yeah, I don't know. Are you ready for our fifth and final Sasha Violent TV recap?

Yes.

Laiusa season 8 episode 13, Recoupling Shakes the Villa.

Yes, it did. Um, and I wanted to shake the villa every— like, I knew it was hap— first of all, the pace of that fucking recoupling ceremony where every person had to read their letter. Not only that, After the letter, Ariana, how does that make you feel? How do you feel reading that, Corbin? Like, it was, it was half the episode. It was so fucking slow. And I was like wanting to zoom through people's reading, but I didn't know if it was going to be important. Like, it was 40— it was so long.

I didn't fast forward through the readings, but like, it was—

I only needed the last 3 couples.

Of course. And some of them, like, I did want to hear what they had to say to each other. Like, I did want to hear what Zach had to say to Kaida because I feel like sometimes they edit him and he is He's bad news. Bad, but sometimes I feel like he also gets an edit where they're trying to like create tension between them. So I'm like, what in his own words does he say to her? And honestly, I don't even remember.

So the first two couples were Trinity and Bryce. I am obsessed with, but Trinity is a part of like the mean girl group. And it's like, it's kind of one of her flaws. I need her to jump ship. Um, and Gabriel and Jen, I love them. I know I'm not supposed to. I love them so much. They're like, it's, it literally the definition of matching someone's freak. Like they are perfect for one another. And their letters were like actually cute. The whole Portuguese thing. Obsessed.

They were so cute. They're very obsessed with each other. I think that Kaita was shook that her and Zach didn't read their letters first because it goes in order of like the most obvious answer. Because at the end we'll get the drama. So why wouldn't Zach and Katie go first? They just came from the hideaway. I think that like shook her a little bit that there was any sort of—

I need something to shake her. She's pissing me off. What happened to the girl who came in? She was like so cutting in the beginning. Like she was like very stoic. What happened to her? She's like giddy as hell. She doesn't even realize that the guy across from her doesn't like her.

Doesn't like her as much as she likes him.

No. And I think he's liking her. He's like the definition of like, like literally having sex with somebody and losing interest. Like he could not be more stereotypical fuckboy. Yeah. And she doesn't even see it happening right before her eyes.

Yeah, I need bombshells immediately. Like, of course for Caleb, of course for Sol. I hope Sol and Caleb like fall in love.

Well, guys, just, just to like make sure, we all voted for Caleb and Sol as our favorite couple, right?

Like, I told you you had two people who have not said one word to each other.

I told you you have to. We all voted for Caleb and Sol. Who did? Right, right. Please tell me we all voted for Caleb and Sol.

Who is like the streets voting for? I don't know.

I see, by the way, we all voted for Caleb and Soul.

You guys, because like none of you actually voted for a couple. They all stink because actually Jen and Gabriel are cute, but—

Oh, sorry. I would've also voted for Jen and Gabriel.

People don't like them.

Because they are freaky. They're difficult to understand. I get it. Like, I, I might not understand it.

Here's one. He voted for Soul and Caleb.

Good, good.

And that has like 9,000 likes.

Yeah, of course. Like, we— and I just, I need some— I think these people in the villa have no idea how poorly they're being received, so they keep acting like how they think they should, and I need them to find out, like, we don't like them.

Yes.

The thing is, I, like, I wanted to, like, slap Kenzie because it's like, girl, Caleb— but you— I can't be mad at her for how she feels. Like, she hasn't done anything that crazy, and I honestly, like, should have been honest about the kiss with Corbin, whatever.

Whatever.

She got away with it for not liking who I wanted her to.

I want to see what happens next. Sex with her and Corbin, like if the feelings are true and deep, or they're just gonna like have sex and then like move on from each other. Because I do think they're just horny for each other. But I am going to— yeah, she made a choice. I'm glad she had to make a choice because it was getting really annoying, like her crying over the two of them when both of them just like, like her.

It was time for a recoupling.

Yeah, and I'm glad like everybody had agency because it's like, Corbin, who do you choose if given the choice? But if only Kenzie had to choose, we wouldn't know I'm glad that everybody had agency to do what they wanted. Same with Melanie, same with Cecile. Hold them accountable. Of course they were always going back to each other. Like, seriously, fuck Cecile.

So yeah, it's clear now that like Sol was very much just a pawn in the toxic cycle of Cecile and Melanie. Like, they were always gonna choose each other. They needed these ancillary characters like Corbin, but it was very inconvenient because Corbin wasn't into Melanie. Sol wasn't too sincere, so she was like an effective pawn. Like, they are so toxic, they are awful, they are bad, and Sol was just sort of collateral, and it was genuinely heartbreaking to watch, but she said, "I saw it coming." Yeah, I'm glad she saw it coming.

Oh, she's so smart, woman's intuition.

Yeah, I fucking love her. She looked so good too. I love her.

Yeah, and when she saw Melanie whispering to Kaida, "Pinky promise." So stupid.

Mean girl, mean girl, and now I feel bad because the other side, Um, sorry, no, Sol didn't go home.

I thought she was going home. I was like, oh, it's only gonna be— Because she's like not in a strong couple, but I do hope everyone voted for her.

They need to send in a Jalen for Sol.

They need to send in someone for Caleb too. Like, what a man.

Elevator.

No, and also just like so tunnel vision, maturity.

Mature.

He got his heart broken. He really like liked this girl. And he's operating like Jaylen. He came in for Kenzie. He did not turn his head. Maybe now, like, they can send someone— honestly, give them a chance.

He sounds like he'd be a good match with Anaya. I don't know if they've said one word to one another.

This joke on, on Twitter where it's like someone saw in the background of a random scene that the two of them were talking to each other, and they were like, these two know each other?

Yeah, no, it's like they're on different shows, first of all.

Yeah. But wait, I should— yeah, no, there's like people— I think now production will start to show more.

Okay.

Of them. Also, production is telling the contestants what people are saying about them because they're making all these jokes about Corbin being a robot.

Rebooting. People think that Zach specifically like got internet access because some Islanders like from past seasons have said if you go to like certain parts of the villa, like that a phone that they give you like will give you internet. Um, and it's possible because Zach is feeding in, so it's either like, yes, the editors are cutting to more moments like that, but he knows what to say.

Yeah, maybe. Or they're telling them like, oh, people love your friendship with Bryce, play it up. People think Corbin's a robot, play it up. I think they're, they're telling them sort of these jokes that are happening.

When I thought that either Caleb or Sol were going to get eliminated, either one or the other or both, like, I was so devastated. And I love how they wrapped it up, just being like, love, love, with, you know, honoring that producer who had passed away. Like, I felt really good about it. It was a nice way to end their recoupling. And I hope that people come for Caleb and Sole, I really do.

Yeah, it was, and I also hope people come to destabilize some of these like fake couples who are staying together and playing it safe.

Anaya, Casey.

Anaya, Casey, and also Zach and Kaita. To test Zach, she's not fake, but he needs to be tested. He needs to be tested and she needs to see that he has a wandering eye.

And at this point, like Sincere and Melanie are so perfect for each other. I just hope they can stop taking other people down with them. They want to be toxic. They— sure, whatever, have fun. Leave Sole out of it.

No, and I hope that we don't like have to hear so many of their conversations because it's like not— they're not fun to watch. I don't mind.

Melanie was being corny as hell. A Sour Patch Cake. Yeah, it was like one big sour— she was like literally putting on such an act.

She was just like, I was literally about to text you, and Ariana's like, Sour Patch Cake.

Yeah, no, no. And like she was putting on a full performance, like, yeah, I just like, go do—

I don't really want to hear from you guys about your relationship. Like, Melanie and the girls, she actually like gives to the villa in terms of like girl drama and whatnot. Um, but like, I don't want to hear you talk about your relationship anymore. I'm all set.

I wonder if now that the Corbin thing is settled, if Kenzie would like become friends with Melanie again. Like, she really left the OG villagers group and like started this new girl gang. Mm-hmm. And I think it had to do with Corbin, right? Yeah. I wish they would tell us more about that.

Like, what's going on with the girls? Yeah. No, because it's really 4 and 3. Yeah.

And now it makes it weirder. And now it makes it weirder.

Because when Kada and Trinity sat down Gabriel to ask him about Jen.

Yeah. It's like, you don't actually care cuz you haven't said one word to Jen.

I don't think it was well intended.

And it's funny, no one is having a better time on this show than Miss Jen. She was a bombshell. She got snatched up immediately by literally the hottest guy in the villa who is obsessed with her. She's made best friends for life with like Sol and Kenzie. And then Sol's over there like having the time, like literally the polar opposite, the worst fucking time.

She had like 2 good days.

She did. It's better now. It's better. I think she's gotten adjusted, but like, I'm just like, Jen is having a blast.

I need Sol and Caleb to really try and fall in love. And like, what if they, 2 of them like stayed a couple and then stayed around? You know?

I'm so down. I, I could see her eating him alive, but I'm down.

No, I think he's man enough.

I don't know, that's sort of what Kenzie was saying without saying it. Like, Corbin is very like alpha, and I think that she was hoping a little bit more of that energy from Caleb, but he's like soft-spoken and sweet and Southern.

She got that from Caleb. He'd start yelling at her that she's like throwing it in a circle for Corbin. Oh wait. Like she doesn't actually want to be held accountable by Kayla because he's letting her do whatever she wants.

You texted me this and I was thinking it too. She was kind of being a know-it-all on last night's episode, like correcting everyone about like random facts.

Like, I'm a nurse. No, like her personality got like— got like confrontational. I don't want to be so reductive, like maybe she's on her period.

Totally. But she was wearing the tiniest little thong bathing suit with her thighs up in the air.

She would never. I know, but like at some point they're gonna go on— actually, maybe not. Maybe they'll like skip a cycle. Maybe they'll skip the pie.

The— yeah, right, skip a period.

The blue pill of Ireland. It's only like one period you would have to miss.

And if you have long cycles, and depending on when you got home, it could be zero.

Because like, how are you running around like with your tushy out and the tampon string?

And nobody wears full coverage bathing suits. I guess that's like not a thing anymore, that we wear bathing suits that like cover our butt cheeks. It's butt cheeks out, and that's like exactly where your string would hang. And like, God forbid any of them wears a pad.

No.

Oh, and you're sleeping in a bed with a new partner and totally white sheets. They're skipping their periods.

1000%. Yeah. But yeah, her personality just like changed. She was just like being like, like, tense.

No, and it's like, you don't know what white noise is. She was being like a little condescending.

Yeah, and the 2030, 2013. And who was right at the end of the day?

I think she was. Like 2030 is better than 2013. Hold on. We should ask CorbinGBT.

Yeah, someone had just— there, okay. CorbinGBT, what vision is better, question mark, 2030 or 2013?

Imagine she's wrong.

2013 vision is better than 2020. 2030 vision is worse than 2020.

Oh my God, so Caleb was right. He had 2013.

Yeah, 2013 is greater than 2020, which is greater than 2030.

Okay, she needs to go back to nursing school. Yeah, she was just like, maybe she didn't sleep good. She was like being a bitch to everyone.

Yeah, she just like was trying to fight.

Yeah, like about, like she was like searching for an argument and like no one was taking the bait.

Yeah, but you know what, I'm glad for like the villa reset. I think we will get—

Yeah.

Oh, we're gonna— next is gonna be like least popular. So what they're gonna do is you voted for your favorite couple. So the 3 worst, least favorite, which you're— that's not your least favorite couple because that's just—

It's a manipulative way.

That's just people who got the least amount of votes for most favorite, but that doesn't make them least favorite. So it's gonna be like Zach and Brett. I mean, Trinity and Bryce, you know what I mean? Actually, people, they might be people's favorite.

It was a good episode for them. They were the first ones to do the letters. Um, the letters were really sweet. I feel like they actually really— I was like a doubter, but I actually think they really like each other.

Yeah, I think so too.

And is he getting better looking?

Yes, because he's keeping like his hair back.

He's got his hair out of his face.

By the way, everybody is getting better looking because in the beginning of the show I thought I didn't really find like a lot of the cast that attractive, and now everyone's like looking really good.

I thought the same thing because Melanie looked insane last night, and I'm like, you know what, everyone looks good with a tan.

Yeah. Um, Melanie was always very beautiful. Of course. I think Kenzie gotten better looking.

Me too.

Um, I think, yeah, everyone is— has stepped it up. So I think what will happen is the bottom 2 couples of villagers who got the least amount of votes, like, they're gonna have to eliminate a couple.

Love.

Like, they'll have to turn on each other.

Did you think it was weird that, um, Jen wore the same exact outfit that Kenzie had worn like the next day? No, I didn't know the necklace and the, like, boob, uh, cheetah print dress?

Oh, I didn't notice, no. I saw the necklace, but just 'cause people were talking about the necklace, but I didn't notice the dress. I actually never, they all wear the clothes so differently.

And they all at some point in the season like start swapping outfits.

Yeah, but I really don't remember. They also, I like that the show, a lot of them have like very distinct personal style and it's not just like they ordered everything from Revolve.

From Revolve.

And everyone's like wearing the same basics up, like Trinity and the boots, like slay, and the gloves.

How many suitcases did Trinity bring? She has like 8 pairs of the biggest boots I've ever seen.

I remember Sierra last season too, had just like very interesting personal style. It's like not basic and it's, it's just fun to watch.

It's a fun, it's a fun element of the show.

They also all have like amazing bodies, so it's like a cool fashion show.

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