Transcript of Love is Nauseating: Monday, October 7th, 2024

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Monday, you all. Get down diggity with you all. Hey, Jack.

Did you leave us being Southern on the last episode? Was that the last episode?

It's possible.

And you came back Southern.

Because I definitely did that last week. I did not do that on purpose. I just want to say. I'm just...

No, you're just still Southern, even though it's been five days since we saw you.

Yes, we haven't seen the toaster since Wednesday. Hope everybody had an amazing time off. I did.

I did. It was the chag. It was Rosh Shoshana. I can't believe that was a really long break.

It was a really long break. Feeling grateful to the Lord for putting the long Jewish holiday starting on a Wednesday night. So we got two days off. Now, what the Lord giveth, the Lord take it the way, because another holiday that we have coming up, which usually is blessed enough to fall on a weekday, falls on a Saturday. This week, you guys know every year, we start talking about Yom Kippur. At the end of July, we actually have not talked about Yom Kippur as much as we have in previous years this year. Yeah, a big day, a somber day in the Jewish community. Our biggest holiday where we have to fast for 25 hours. This year is on a Saturday, just to add insult to injury.

It's so wrong. However, you can't have Rosh Hashem starting on a Wednesday without Yom Kippur on a Saturday because the holidays are 10 days apart. But I would rather have Rosh Hashemna start on a, I guess, Thursday would make Yom Kippur Sunday also shitty.

Worst, actually.

Worse. And Friday, Monday. I guess Tuesday, because then that Friday that would be on, technically, they're not going to make you come in.

There's really no good way to fast. That's the other thing. I can't believe we haven't talked. Usually, we start dreading Yom Kippur. Maybe we're growing up, we usually start talking about how close we're getting, seriously, six months out. We have not even talked about it once.

I feel like it makes it harder and worse when we're dreading it so much. I completely agree. If we just keep it to the one day, we could take our power back.

We're not going to keep it to the one day because we have to talk about it every day this week. Let's talk about it today. I am not excited. I also am due for my period in the next couple of days, probably on the weekend. I'm already feeling angry and hungry.

A ludial yung.

Yeah. I actually can't remember the last time my cycle synced up with the Yom Kippur. That, to me, that's God being like, Listen, you were extra bad this year. You need to repent even harder. I'm listening and I'm learning to God.

That's beautiful. Thank you.

How was your hug? Actually, it's one of my favorite holidays, Rosh Hashana. The Jewish calendar is different than the calendar, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. And we celebrate the new year, usually around this time of year. And it's such a great holiday filled with... It's easy, it's food, it's light, it's family.

It's food. It's fun. It's joy. It's celebración. Roche was really great. You maybe didn't hear from me a lot because I was blogging, so my phone was in use. I made a whole Roche Shana blog of the two Nights of Roche. It's going to be up on Patreon. Com/thetoast. I really put my heart into it. I hope that you guys like it. You'll get to learn a little something about the custom, see what I'm cooking, see what I've got brewing.

Did you have a musical performance in there of you singing the classic tune, Dip the apple in the Honey, say the bracha loud and clear. La Shana toba, umetuka, have a happy sweet new year.

What's funny is I actually did sing that in the video at one point, and in the I took it out because I was like, dope. Jackie, no. I could put it back in. Okay, wait. Do you want me to put it back in? Is it too late? No, I just exported from iMovie, but that's really quick. It's not like I upload it to Patreon. The people deserve the performance. I'll put it back in after the toast today.

We have so much to do today.

It was just a really long vlog, so I was trying to keep it- Who cares?

Tight. I know. You know me, I'm one for tight. I like short content. Cut, cut, cut.

I You do. I actually really like vlogging. I feel like if I wasn't a podcaster, I would be a vlogger.

I enjoy the process. You know what? I could see that life for you. You'd be a lot of people's comfort YouTuber, just like you cooking and sharing things about beauty and home and mom stuff. I could see that very Molly May of you.

Yeah, I think she really made me fall in love with blogging.

Two things. Do I look any different today?

You look different every day. No, come on. She's smiling. She's wearing my sweatshirt. Yeah, shit. So you look different because you're wearing this sweatshirt that doesn't belong to you.

I think we've made peace with the fact that this sweatshirt belongs to me.

It's actually a core tenet of me, so I will be getting it back. But next time I'm at your house and I need to borrow a sweat shirt, it'll be that one. We don't have to make it an official ceremony.

Okay, so I guess you didn't notice, but I went to Sephora yesterday, and I just got like...

You know what? I could expand my view of you on my computer. It is a little I would have noticed.

No, you're not going to notice. Okay, hold on. Now I feel stupid. But tell me what you did. I just went to Sephora and got some random new products, and I was wondering if I was looking extra gorgeous. I don't think you making me bigger on your screen is going to help.

Okay, so definitely you're wearing more eye shadow. And you have a new color lipstick, more of a plum.

Okay, both things I've been using for years. Okay. I just got a new contour stick, new eyebrow pencil, new foundation. You got a new eye shadow. No, I didn't get a new eye shadow. Okay. I went back to straight hair. I just have a I'm busy week, and I can't be bothered to do anything but flat iron my hair to death. I just want to crisp it. Crispy. We can't even talk. Today is October seventh. Sorry, I meant to do this right at the top of the show, but I just got lost in conversation with my swirly.

No, I actually can't believe that for five minutes, I I'm distracted from it because it's all I've been thinking about. In the last few days, all the accounts that I follow on Instagram are a lot of Jewish advocacy accounts and a lot of prominent Jews. And so everyone's posting about it, and it's been top of mind all day.

It's really crazy how One year ago today. You were in New York. Why were you in New York? Because we did that episode together. No.

Yeah, I was in Florida when it happened, and then I came to New York two days later from my book. Oh, right. Okay.

So you were in New York. Yeah. It's been a whole ass year since that day. I remember that day. Seriously, it was a week ago. I can't believe it's been a whole year. I can't believe there are still over 100 people, Americans included, being held hostage in Gaza. I can't believe this. Ben was saying how today should be a fast day. In because we're literally fast this weekend, that's how you commemorate. But you can't... You could fast, but he was like, No, because we're still living it. It's not over.

We're still in it. It's not over. There are still over 100 hostages, babies, women, elderly, innocent people, citizens from a ton of different countries being held hostage. And even today, the Palestinians are firing rockets into Israel from Gaza. It's heartbreaking. And then a lot of people are sharing footage from October October seventh. And we've seen so much, but still there's so much footage that the terrorists themselves captured because they were so proud. And then from people's cell phones or CCTV. And every time you see it, it is just the worst thing I've ever seen.

I know we have a big constituency of Jewish listeners who always really appreciate when we talk about these things. But I have to say, I know we have a wide audience, most of whom are not Jewish. Since October seventh, you and I have just started talking a lot more about the goings on in Israel. I just want to say we really have the most wonderful listeners who have been so eager to learn and help and just get involved. It really means a lot. I see all these messages all the time. From X, from Y, I'm Christian, I'm this, and just so eager to support and wanting to know what they can do to help. It really means the world. I just think we have the most wonderful listeners. That's just been a very small bright spot in this last year. It's really seeing how people from all different walks of life, our listeners are extremely diverse, wanting to just learn and support. I know for a lot of people, we are their first interaction with a Jewish person. If you live in an area where there aren't a lot of Jews, it sounds crazy because I live in New York, but most people will go throughout their days not talking to a Jewish person.

I know we're that first line of defense for a lot of people, and I feel really proud of that. I think that's a responsibility I don't take lightly. I love that we have built this really fabulous community of people who... I feel like the word ally has It's a word that lost its meaning, but real true allyship.

Yeah. Also, so many people wanting to help, praying for us. But then even just people who are passive listeners who haven't turned off this podcast because every once in a while, we come on and we're heartbroken about Israel, and it's just continuing to listen, even if it's not something that's of the utmost importance to you, just knowing what it is for us. I'm sure a couple of people have left, like those Zionists, goodbye. But everyone who's here for the last year. Thank you.

I know there are a lot of pro-Hamas rallies planned in the city today.

So if you're in-It's literally so fucking crazy to me.

It's abhorrent and it's disgusting.

And it's not even like they're commemorating the day that Israel retaliated. Nothing else happened on October seventh other than pure carnage, the slaughter of the Jewish people, of the Israeli people by Hamas terrorists. Why would this be your day?

Because they love to see dead Jews. I was just saying that, check your local listings. Be careful because the true fucking crazies are out today. I was not having it today. I took a cab. I'm like, Nobody look at me. I'm not in the mood.

It's so crazy what's going on in the world. That's the second layer. It's also, at times, it's just as heartbreaking, the response, the lack of care.

I am seriously sending every ounce of love that I have to anyone who is still affected by the hostage crisis, whether it's a friend, a family member. It's devastating, and it's even more devastating when it feels like you're begging people to care. So it's an ongoing thing. We obviously will continue to talk about it and support Israel. But Jackie and I obviously wanted to take a minute to remark on the anniversary because it's been a really, honestly, horrible year. I can't believe it's been a whole year. That literally flew. Now, as always, we're just going to have to pivot.

I know. Today, seriously, and we will, there actually is so much to talk about today. And so I will get to myself to a place of caring about these other stories. But one thing that we're going to talk about, and I think we should do it at the end, is Love is Wind.

We are. The reason why I told everyone, I know everybody makes fun of me for sharing too much about my cycle. I have some really harsh truths to deliver, and I found something out this morning. I will be stopping watching the show, okay?

Okay. Sounds good to me. I think I've watched I'm like four episodes in change. I'm almost through all of the reveals. So let's talk about what we've seen so far. But I've never hated- A season more. An installment of this show more. The actual physical visceral reactions. I have I need to sit with a bucket because I'm going to puke from some of these people.

I'm not going to spoil it, but I just want to say... I was prepared to come on here and like, rip these people to shreds, but I was going to give a precursor. Just know I'm not talking about Tyler and Ashley A. I'm not talking about Tyler. And then I found I'm talking out this morning about Tyler. And I guess I am talking about Tyler when I talk about how... Okay. Do you know what I'm trying to say it now?

Yeah, and I got to know.

This isn't even on the show. It just came out on social media. He has three children that he's an active father, and he cleared them from his social media before he went on the show. I'm up to episode 6 out of 7. I think in the seventh episode, he does discuss it, describing himself very much as a sperm donor. But now the mother and the mother of the mother are sharing pictures of them having Christmas morning together. He's a very involved father.

Okay, because I was about to say maybe he did it. Maybe he told Ashley, but it's just not in this season. Maybe they're not on social media because he's about to be a public figure, and he doesn't want to put his kids out there.

But you're saying- It's nefarious. The mother of the children and the mother of the mother.

That's not what I thought you were going to say. Honestly, these days, I thought you were going to say he's going to one of those rallies. So I'm glad it's this.

No, I'm not. Seriously, we We can't even have one nice thing.

We do have one nice couple. Who? The scientists.

Yeah, but to me, Ashley and Tyler were on their way to being maybe the best couple I've ever seen on this show.

You put too much stock in. I did.

Jackie, from the first episode, I was fucking obsessed with them. He is so cute. She's gorgeous. They are so compatible. I thought when they got into bed and they were talking about how not in a religious way, they're going to be abstinent, but this culture where you just give your soul to... I thought it was like...

I haven't seen this.

I haven't seen this.

You And by the way, I will be watching Mexico because I suffered through what I suffered through for Mexico. That's the best part of any Love is Blind season. And then from there, I'll evaluate if I'll keep watching.

Okay. And you know what? I'll save my diatribe.

But I'm sorry, the three kids, that's just not a deal breaker, considering what some of these other people are saying.

We are going to save that for the end, Love is Blind Recap.

Yeah, we know not everyone has watched it. Also, just dropped in the middle of the night.

Yeah, no promo, no hype, no nothing.

No nothing, no something, no nothing.

I don't feel like this season is taking off as much as other seasons have taken off. I don't see everyone watching it. For good reason. Yeah, and so I am going to be done. I'm officially not watching one more minute, and I think it's okay.

Why is this season so nauseating? So many people I've spoken to have used that exact word nausea.

Yeah. Also, does anybody else feel like this season, they're getting a lot more footage of kissing and a lot more up close?

Now, maybe that's the nausea.

Marissa and Ramsey, they share a kiss in Mexico. That is so insane. Jackie, she literally goes like this. Her mouth Why don't we look? She's taking a bite out of an apple. It was the crazy... Mia and Ben looked at each other. What? Jackie, it was crazy.

My husband probably has black and blues on his arm from every time I was hitting him across the bed. No, no, no.

We will do a full recap at the end of the show so you guys can hear that. Also, in addition to watching Love is Blind, I also saw it ends with us, and I need to talk about it. Finally.

I saw that you saw it.

Jackie, it was incredible. Of course it was. I loved it so much. Because there was all this hoopla around it. I actually really forgot that I loved the book. I really loved it. It was the first time, I think I can say, I wouldn't have changed any decisions they made in regards to the book. People were like, But they left out the Ellen Dory storyline, the worst part. Who? Ellen Degenerous is a huge fixture in the book because her and the boy growing up, when he comes over to shower and get food, they watch Ellen every day because her parents aren't home from school. Then she just loves Ellen The book is her diary entries, and her diary's name is Ellen. Then she ends up naming the kid Dory or something. There's a lot of Ellen.

Okay. It's Ellen Covey.

Yeah. They reference once, they're just watching TV, and Ellen's on the TV. It was a nice nod to that. But it's a long book. You can't include everything. I think their decision to not change the ending, they didn't change anything. I really appreciated. I thought it was super well done. Our initial concern, when we first saw those photos of Blake Lively and the crazy hair, the crazy glam, the crazy outfits, that is very much an issue. It's an omnipresent thing. It's just this other main character. I still don't understand why they had her look so crazy. It was distracting, but I'm holding space for two truths. The movie was incredible. Let me tell you, I don't know if it's because I dislike Justin Baldoni, or he's the most amazing actor on the planet. He was an excellent villain. Excellent villain. The only person who I think was miscast because they didn't really give him much of a role. In the book, he was not important, but Yeah, a necessary character, Marshall, who is Rael's brother-in-law, Rael's sister's husband. They have it as Hassan Minaj. I know he's a comedian, but Marshall is very goofy. I always pictured it as Jason Siegel energy.

I don't know, he just wasn't matching the goofy vibes. He was trying to be funny. I don't know. I know he's a comedian, but to me, he's so serious, right? Yeah. I didn't think that was the only distracting thing when it came to casting. Ben said that he found Blake Lively very acting because of Gossip Girl, but I think that's just him being very small-minded.

I think so, too.

Gossip Girl really grew up. We just watched it, that's why. Ben is just... He thinks too small. It was amazing. It surface. I know he directed it, and so I think a lot of the credit goes to him. I thought Blake was amazing. I haven't actually seen a lot of her work post Gossip Girl. I don't know if I would say before this that she's an amazing actress. I thought she was excellent. People have been shocked that I liked the movie. I don't know if the consensus was it's good or it's bad.

The consensus? What is it?

It was good? It was good.

That was the consensus by mostly people who read the book. I really believe that it was good. It wasn't like Rotten Tomato says it's good, and it's probably bad. I feel like I would like it. I didn't realize it was direct to DVD or anything.

No, it's on Apple TV. I was shocked. I'm like, Oh, we're watching it. Okay, listen to this. $25 to buy.

I'm sure it'll go down, but right now, it's still in the window of... In the olden days, it would still be in theaters right now.

I'm not complaining about it being $25, although that is absurd.

$25 rental?

$20 rental. Like, Bitch, come on. Who do you think you're fooling? So what did you do? I was sent to bed. I'm like, Well, for value-wise, let's just buy it. Then he was like, Yeah, but we're never going to watch it again, so save the $5. I listened to him.

Yeah, and by the time you want to watch it again, it'll be on a stream. I think that was a good call. Save the $5.

I don't plan on watching it again. It's not a movie you need to see a million times. But fun fact, Taylor Donnie, you texted me, their apartment is in the background of the movie. I guess they filmed a lot of it in Jersey City. She was like, Did you see? They did. She said, Did you see our apartment? I'm like, No. Why would I have to see? It's just her building. Then she sent me a picture. I was like, Oh, damn. No, I know what you're talking about. That's funny. I actually really recommend. Ben loved it. I think Ben got a little teary-eyed at the end. Ben went in a minute, but I think he did, too. I mean, it's a powerful story.

It is.

It was good.

Okay, you're convinced me. I added Added to the plate, added to the plate, but now I'm on my love is blind plate, and I'm reading a really good book, Carola Lovering, my queen.

Queeny Energy.

Yeah, I just need to see what else Carola had up her sleeve.

Did you see my text message this morning, Requesting a Story, Be Chosen, About Liam Payne?

I did, and I replied, L-O-L-O-K.

And you chose one?

And I chose one. It'll be later in the show, probably at the rate we're going, in an hour.

Okay, but you're saying it's giving Fifth Story Energy? Because it's not. It's really- Fourth. What's going on?

I mean, it could actually be if you wanted to make it the first story, I would do that because they are all the same.

What happened with Liam Payne over the weekend from One Direction? For me, it's going to become Tarek's arm tight. I I am obsessed.

Tarek's arm tight. That's some big shoes to fill. 100%. Some big mountain boots to fill.

Also, I don't think it's a story, but Kamala on Call Her Daddy, big news.

It's not a story because It's political stuff. But yeah, I was watching it this morning, actually, because that is big news. Like, very historic. She doesn't do a lot of interviews.

No, and I think a lot of people are shocked that she went on Call Her Daddy.

I feel like you said she was going. You called this months ago.

It's so obvious.

I don't know if it's on the show.

I don't know why people are freaking out about it. Trump has done a bunch of podcasts. Podcasts are the game. It's shocking because she doesn't do a lot of interviews. But if she was going to do a podcast, obviously- That's the one. She's also doing Howard Stern. Oh, she is? I just saw that on his... I like, weirdly I follow The Stern show on every social- Because you loved his book. No, I loved his book. And seriously, I don't know why I follow. I follow The Stern show literally on Facebook. But I didn't think it was so crazy at all. I thought it was like, duh. I was just waiting for the episode to drop. I feel like I knew it.

Right. The episode dropped yesterday, so I wanted to check it out. There's been a lot of commotion about it because of Hurricane Helene, which also- Is crazy. I feel like also more and more there's footage coming out from Helene, and it's also still not over.

People are still- Also, there's another hurricane coming. You know that, right? For you.

I know. Milton. Hurricane Milton.

Milton. I mean, that's the name. That's a bad name.

Maybe you'll get the next one. Maybe he'll get to pick the next one. There was just a lot of noise around the interview, which you would expect.

I want to say because she did. I didn't watch the interview, but she had this little intro, two, three minutes, just explaining her decision. I actually felt bad for her because this is how... And by the way, I have no inside information. This is just what I think went down. I think Kamal's people reached out because it's a good strategy. Of course, Alex can't say no, but who really wants to get involved? Actually, it's horrible. Read the comments. If you have one person on your... If you have Trump on, if you have Kamal on, it's just going to be horrible comments. You're going to feel like half your audience is disappointed in you. The country is extremely divided. I feel like when she got the call, she was like, Oh, honestly. She handled it really well. But She said, of course, but she's not a political podcast. She doesn't know a lot about fracking. That's what she said. What am I going to do? Like an episode on the border. She also then had her people reach out to Donald Trump, that he opened invitation to come on, which I thought was really smart. I think she's really just trying to get through this with the least amount of bruises as possible.

Because seriously, who would want to put themselves at the center? She's just a girl. Who would want to put themselves at the center of this?

Well, so she did say that in the beginning. I listened to the podcast once. It's interesting for podcasting and girly swirly podcasting. But too, I'm a woman. I want to hear what's going on. But what she said at the top of the show was how her angle was going to be talking about things that are important to women. So she's not going to be talking about- The economy. Or women's body, she said. Not talking about the economy or the border, fracking. But I don't know, I felt it was a little reductive to assume that women don't care or are affected by the economy. I feel like a lot of women, especially moms who are ahead of- Of the household. Manage their households, are going to the grocery store or buying clothes for their kids, and then they're really affected by the cost of living. I actually felt like the interview would have really benefited from a- More well-rounded. A girly-swirly take on that. I felt like that conversation would have been really good to have. I I understand. Maybe not fracking, even though the female frackers. No, by the way, that's such a fair point.

But honestly, and this is not a slight... I think Alex Cooper is very smart. I think she would admit this, too. She did. Seriously, what does she know about the global economy? That's hard to put together questions for.

No, but it doesn't have to be about the global economy. And actually in the interview, Kamal Hamela kept saying about practical application of policy. So we don't have to talk about the global economy, but practically speaking, grocery store prices, the people's cost of living their quality of life, just tackling small issues. And that is important to women, too. So I felt like there could have been even more conversation had, and it would have been new and fresh to have it in that medium.

In a swirly environment.

In a swirly way.

No, that's fair. I just think it's actually really crazy. Power of podcasting, women in media.

The power of podcasting. And so now it's like, do you think Trump would go on? Because he does a lot of podcasts.

He doesn't say no to much. He loves to chat.

Yeah, and I think he goes to different corners of the internet.

I don't know if he would ever do it, but seriously, I would cackle. I would laugh.

Do you think he should... If you were on his team, would you say that he should or he shouldn't?

I would say yes, actually, because it feels like everybody's talking about this interview, right?

Well, it's also just we're in this world. Okay, maybe like...

No, but I think everyone is.

Yes, but also it would feel that way, even if they weren't.

I think to be talked about is good. So close to the election, who wouldn't want to be the name on everybody's lips? I I don't know. I'm not on his team, and it's probably for the best for everyone.

I think he should. I'm so curious to see if he does.

I know she sent that request, invitation, being like, Please don't accept.

She could have not had her on. Nobody would have known she declined the opportunity.

But you don't want to decline this massive opportunity.

She posted a two-part vlog of how the interview came to be, and they were supposed to record in Vegas, and they set everything up. Then the next morning, the VP's team canceled. Do you think she was so relieved?

By the way, yes. When I was watching, I was like, She probably was so happy.

Yeah, and then they called, Come to DC.

It's like, Fuck. No, I would actually love to know what really... I'm just projecting, seriously, just guessing.

Yeah. No, that's really funny.

It's a cool opportunity, but it's a heavy burden. No matter who, if you had Kamala on, if you had Trimpa on, you know it comes with this wave of intense reactions. Who the fuck wants that? Honestly, when you're a podcaster, you're just trying to have fun and make a living and make everyone giggle. It's really crazy.

Yeah, it was crazy. I think that's everything. We'll get to love his line at the end. Yeah, I had a list of things. Other than that, I feel Are you uncomfortable getting into the Fast Five stories with Liam Payne being our first.

No, Liam Payne is not deserving... For you, anything. Liam Payne is not deserving of our first.

But this is one of those days where the five are-Okay, let's do it. Equal. So for turdy, Liam Payne- Wait, wait.

I wanted to remind you that later in the show, because we forgot to have this conversation before. I know.

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Thank you, T-U-R-T-3-0. You're welcome. Our first story, Liam Payne.

Okay, I'm obsessed. Let Let me tell you, okay?

Okay. There's a number of buckets here.

So Liam Payne is an unemployed ex-pop star. You know what's so funny? We'll get into why he's a troubled youth. But somebody said the reason why he's having such a hard time is because I think no matter how you slice it, we could all give our different rankings of how the other members of the band dealt. For every ranking- He's fifth and final. For everyone, no matter how you slice it, I would say it goes like this: Harry, Niall, Zane, Louis. What's his name? Liam. Liam. That's what I would say. I think that is the correct one, but it's open to interpretation.

I don't know. There's the elder.

Yeah, but no, Zane married up. Sorry, in terms of celebrity and fame and relevancy, he's there.

Yeah, they're not married. You know what I mean?

They're not together. He stayed in the tabloids, even though he wasn't making music that people were listening to.

Yeah, in terms of success.

Okay, whatever. So over the weekend, and I guess Liam Payne has a big Snapchat. That's what he does for a living.

He's probably snapping with Zane now.

He has a cute little influencer girlfriend. And so they were making- Maya Henry. No, no, no.

Not Maya.

Maya Henry is his ex-girlfriend who is now spilling the tea because everyone this weekend was talking about Liam Payne. So he went to a Niall Whoring concert, which a normal person would say, Oh, it's so sweet. Helping, supporting your friend. No. The concert was in Argentina, and him and his girlfriend just packed up and and didn't tell Niall. They just ambushed.

How do you know why they didn't tell Niall?

Because they have a strained relationship. Because that's what the internet's saying, that he just showed up and was like, I'm coming. It's a long way to go. They took a nine-hour flight to go support a friend. Bizarre behavior. But what happened at the concert was so crazy. There is this running theory that Liam just has this... He almost treats Niall like a hostage. When they have pictures together, you're like, Niall Niall looks afraid. Liam's erratic and crazy, and Niall's just trying to keep the peace. So all these videos started to come out of Liam at the concert. He was in a suite.

I saw those.

He was in a suite being freaky. He was just being weird. The overall caption that was accompanying these videos is, Liam Payne is never beating the attention seeker allegations. He goes to Niall's concert, and this is this huge moment for Niall. It's this foreign country. He's playing this huge arena. Before the concert starts, Liam goes out onto his balcony of his suite, and literally is holding a meet and greet, and everyone's filming him, and he's being so cringe, making faces, hands in his pockets, dancing to the music, and dancing for people's cameras, and then being like, Oh, my God. Keeps coming back to the railing to see people, trying to make this moment for Niall about him, in addition to being cringe as fucking hell. These videos really took the internet by storm. It was a video of security, literally asking him to stop and Liam just straight up ignoring the security guard, being really, really cringy. That set off this just chain reaction because people were talking a lot about Liam Payne. Then his ex-girlfriend, Maya Henry, decided to make a bunch of TikToks, spilling random tea. I guess there has long been a story within the One Direction community about this backstage brawl where somebody put their hands on Liam and shoved him up against a wall.

Yeah. Maya Henry shared... No, wait, sorry. Who did they put up against the wall? They put Zane.

No, they put Liam. People thought... They never said who it was, but people thought it was Louis. I don't know why they would think that.

Myah Henry, the ex-girlfriend, coming out, knowing what the people want to say and be like, No, it was Zane. Duh. The pipeline from beating up your bandmate to beating up your mother-in-law is a short trip.

Wait, I just want to say, I think physically, Louis is the smallest of them. Why would people think it was him?

I guess if you truly did, you could have alluded to it being Zane just by default. It wasn't Louis. I think at that point, Harry was very much not... Zane was the one who had an issue with the band. He left.

Yeah.

That sent the One Directioners into an absolute tailspin, just this huge bombshell moment. Because I feel like we are always talking about random things in pop culture. Imagine if 10 years later, you get a confirmation from a close source about what actually happened. The One Directioners, we've just now checked in with them for the first time in a while. I'm like, They're seriously not okay.

Yeah.

Baby, look what you've done to me. The videos of Liam Payne acting like that. Unfortunately, Liam Payne has a long history of cringy moments on the internet. People don't let him live. I don't know if you guys remember, he had a very short-lived solo career. He actually had one song that got a billion streams.

It goes- Yeah, with read at your aura. It goes like this.

Hold on. Shit. Wait, I just had it in my head. It's such a nondescript type of song. Oh, Drip that down for me, baby. You know what I'm in a club, and I know, Drip that down for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so he performed it once at a meet and greet. It looked like it was in a mall, and he did this incredible... Excuse me?

Sorry, I was on Spotify looking at Liam Payne's catalog.

So he performed it in the middle of a mall with three people watching and did this really terrible choreography and the videos from it, you know they taunt him. It's like Whitney's RSV video. They never stopped talking about it. Now there's just been added a whole new bunch of content to the folder of things Liam Payne is known for because he hasn't really done much after One Direction.

Yeah. I don't know. It's giving Mountain Out of a mole Hill. Oh, wait, I'm sorry.

I forgot the biggest part. Then this picture of Liam and Niall comes out. I guess Liam busted-I Busting his way backstage. It's like, if a picture says a thousand words, look at him holding the necklace. Liam is holding Niall's necklace, almost like a collar.

I see. It doesn't help that- He has his finger It's in the chain. Here, I'll show you.

It doesn't help the narrative that Niall is afraid of Liam and just tolerates him to keep the peace.

Perhaps. But he could have not let him backstage.

But that's not how That doesn't keep the peace. This person traveled nine hours for you.

Yeah. I think Liam, it sounds like he has a history of being an oddball.

Yes, that's a really good way of putting it.

If he was just an oddball for the first time on the balcony, I'd It's not going to be like, Oh, something weird is going on, but it sounds like Liam's going to leave.

No. Liam, I think, loved being in one direction. I think when the band split apart, I think everybody experienced it differently. I think Harry was like, Free me from these shackles of these losers. Let me go. Zane was like, I don't give a fuck. I hate these people. Louis was dealing with a lot of personal tragedy. I don't even think he had time to deal with the band. He lost two family members. There was a lot going on. I think Niall was really bummed, but made the most of it. He was like, All right, I'll do my own thing. Let's see how it goes. I think Liam, it was like, I think if they were all in therapy, we would see this as being like, What broke Liam? I think seeing all the other bandmates really have a lot of success, I think it's hard. The allegations of him being an attention seeker because he loved... He was at one point in the biggest band in the world. That's hard.

Yeah. The allegations of him being an attention seeker. I would say, really, most people who are getting up on stage and singing for a living are seeking attention and not in a negative way.

I should have expected that you would take Liam's side. When I asked you to do this story and her fucking hot takes.

If you could just once- I didn't. If you could just once agree. I'm not taking Liam Side. I'm not feeling as shocked and moved by the behavior. I took a nine-hour flight to support someone he thinks is his friend. I would do it for you, turdy. I would do it in a hard way.

You and I are not Liam and Niall. We never have been, and we never will be. Oh, my God. Of course. She's like, Team I'm not team Liam. I can't with you. You're so toxic.

I'm not team Liam. He's not someone I think I would want to be around. They're definitely him. I'm seeing these clips of him and his GF.

Okay, wait. You know there's another viral moment that goes in the folder of Liam Payne when he went on Jake Paul's podcast?

That's where he told the story about someone shoving him up against the wall.

He said it in such a cringe way. He was like, This person put me up against the wall. I said, If you don't get your hands off of me, not going to have hands left. It was giving Liam lock in. It was like, Every time this man steps out, it's cringe McGinge. There's just so much content around this particular trip to Argentina because his girlfriend's a bit of an influencer. She was like, Logging the trip.

I see. He's a travel influencer, too. Maybe Argentina was next on her list.

No, seriously, maybe she had free flights.

Yeah, maybe she got the tickets.

Because I would love to know how Liam Payne pays his bills because I saw the inside of his house. I assumed it was his house. She was like, Get ready with us to go to the They had a nice car service. They flew first class. I'm sure you made a lot of money in one direction, but that was a long time.

Divided by five.

It was a long time ago. I'm sure they still get royalty checks because those songs get tons of streams. I still listen to random One Direction all the time.

Yeah, but streaming is not going to make you- No, that's like supplemental income.

That's not going to put your kids through school. But it's something. I don't know.

I don't know either. Suss. I feel that way about a lot of celebrities, though. I understand you work, but multimillion dollar house, living the high life, I don't get it.

You know what I think would be the most fascinating? If we could get, and we couldn't because of a turning client privilege, but I think if somebody, I would like it to be us, could get the top celebrity business manager on our pocket? I have so many questions about how celebrities make money.

But I'm not asking about Beyoncé and Jay- No. I'm asking about...

Ready? I'm asking about Vanessa Ann Hudgens. No, but Claudia, she's- She's like an influencer.

She's actually always working. She's actually always working. I'm asking about...

Liam Payne.

Liam Payne is a good example. But next time we are talking about someone who I'm asking about, I will flag it. Especially people of former glory who were from big movie franchises.

I think sometimes you make retirement types of money, and that's not surprising to me. But there are then people who are a part of a big franchise. They still are famous, but they don't work.

Here's one. Ashley Benson. Now she's married to a. An oil hair.

That's an amazing one.

But before that.

But you know what? For the girls, it's less confusing because I know a lot of those girls make money on social media. They do brand deals. Ashley Benson is a founder in that sunglasses company, Preve Revo. She does girly swirly type of e-commerce.

But yes, I know what you mean. Okay, thank you. Are you ready for our next story, which has the internet in the chokehold? Not me specifically, but I wanted to give this to you guys. I wonder if you care. M&m's daughter, Haley, reveals that she is pregnant and that M&M is going to be a grandpa. The way I couldn't avoid this story all fucking weekend.

This means nothing to me. But I think if you're a fan of M&M and you have been for a while, him and his daughter's relationship is a huge part of why you love him. I know he's a very involved good dad. It's like, they've watched this girl grow up so happy for you. I could not care less. I mean, I thought, I don't care. Anyone having a baby, that's beautiful.

Yeah, beautiful. To make it pertinent to our situation, she did discuss it on her podcast.

She's always doing big. You know what I like about M&M? He always supports his daughter's podcast.

I love that. Her podcast is actually really aptly titled Just a Little Shady. Because she's like, Little Shady, and they'll probably throw shade on the show. And her and her co-host are talking about the pregnancy on the podcast. Mazel tov.

Grandpa. You love finding one of your hairs in the coffee. Delish.

Make sure it's yours.

I made this coffee at home.

Okay. It looks store-bought.

Well, the cup is from a store, but the-No, it's cool.

It's cool. You look like you're just jangling your ice coffee in your car keys.

Okay, so I am so glad you brought that up. Nothing makes me feel more like a woman, more in touch with my feminine self, more cutesy little lady bug than having a half-drink ice coffee in one of these plastic Earth-ruining cups with ice, but the ice has melted a little bit, and I'm just doing-So it shows people like, You've had a morning. Don't start with me. And doing this, with the straw between your index and your middle finger and the rest of your fingers, clawing on the top. Like the shake and-That doesn't look right. No, this.

But what you're doing looks unnatural.

Nothing makes me feel more like a woman than this.

Her Womanly Wiles.

Baby, look what you've done to me.

Mazel tov to the Mather's family.

Okay, Mather's. I was like, Who's that? Yeah, this is a pop culture, a blind spot for me. Does your husband love M&M?

No, not in a way that's permeated like Justin Timberlake or Drake.

My husband absolutely loves M&M. M&m, I don't know if knows about his chubby Jewish boy constituency. I think he knows. Because Ben and all of his friends growing up, they literally thought they were going to become M&M.

That's really cute. I'm happy for Ben.

I remember the first I'm like, Ben. I didn't share it with Ben. It just came up in conversation. I didn't know that song. I know it now because Ben taught me. I guess everyone in the world knows Palms are Sweaty, knees weak, arms are Heavy, There's Vomit on a Sweater already, Mom's Spaghetti.

Mom's Spaghetti. Do you know why I have a jar of mom's spaghetti in my cupboard.

When I was on tour back in the day, I think it was in Detroit, I forget what his city is. They have a chain of spaghetti shops.

I think once in New York, there was a pop-up, and they were having mom's spaghetti, and Zack got it, and I still have it.

I want to say, for people who are seeing M&M's daughter being pregnant and being like, Wow, I feel old. Now you know how we felt when Madison De La Garza was pregnant, Juanita from Desperate Housewise, Demi Lovato's stepsister.

And Sophia Grace.

Yes, but for me, Madison De La Garza was so personal to me.

Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing.

Yeah, pretty much.

Mazel tov to the Mather's family.

He's going to be grand pappy M&M.

I wonder what they'll call him. Grumminem?

His real name is Marshall.

Marshall. I mean, that's such a grandpa name.

Grandpa Marshall. That's funny. When I think about Marshall, I exclusively think about Brian Kelly's dog.

Well, now I only I'm trying to think about what you said earlier about It Ends With Us. It's a big show. We've never said the name Marshall on the show as many times as today. Big day for Marshalls. Yeah.

Okay, well, so Brian, his dog's name is Marshall. And Brian, he does what you do. He larps A lot. And so Marshall became- What do you mean? Marshall became Marshall Anthony, and now he calls Marshall, Marshanth. Whenever I meet someone named Marshall, I can't not say Marshanth. Ben and Josh, for the last two years, their producer on Good Guys was this great guy. He doesn't work at your media anymore, but his name was Marshall. I met him a bunch of times, and they loved him. They were always girly girl chit-chatting with him. I would walk in and be like, Marshanth. So inappropriate, so rude. I couldn't stop. Marshanth.

That's like Brewy Louie. I was having a hard time talking about Louie from one direction.

I actually did been meaning to ask you this. Whenever you talk to my father-in-law, do you have a hard time? Because his actual government name is Bruce.

Yeah. No, to me, he's Bruce on the Loose.

Well, I call him Bruiser, and I think he loves having a nickname, by the way. So feel free to call him Bruce on the Loose.

Yeah. I don't think he likes when my Bruno nicknames go in the Bruce direction. He wants me to bring it back. So I definitely try to respect. I mean, it makes sense who wants to have the same name as a dog close to them.

I can tell you for sure that when you were in your era of calling your dog Bruno by the name Bruce, my father-in-law, with the name Bruce, he didn't love it.

No, I don't know. We weren't chatting as much as we normally do.

It's sad that- Which is all the time. Bruno came between you guys.

Brunello Cucinelli. He could never.

He's so cute.

He's so cute. My king, he makes a cameo in the blog, which by the time this episode is up, and when you're done with this episode, head over to the Patreon.

I did officially book my flight to your house for the Aris tour, which is so exciting.

Move to Florida. By the car, you...

By the way, she's obviously going to play Florida. You want to know something crazy?

You I think so. You want to know something crazy that I haven't even touched on? I guess it's a little ways away. But my lease is almost up on my Tesla.

Oh my God, I'm like, your lease, bitch, you bought a house. I was like, what?

My lease is up on my car, and in February.

Are you done with the Tesla lifestyle or no?

No, au contraire. I love my car so much. I actually wish I bought it two years ago, but because I didn't, I have the option of what I want to do for my next car. So either I'm going to get the same car again or I'm getting a cyber truck.

Do you guys know how hard it is to have a crazy fucking sister?

Jackie, why is that so crazy? When you're here, let's go test drive one.

Okay, I'll tell you why, because I see cyber trucks all the time. I saw them in the Hamptons. I saw them a ton in the city. I see them a ton. They are exclusively used as billboards. There's an ALB vodka one that drives all around the city. People know how crazy-looking they are and that they're going to get eyes. It's brilliant. People are going to stare at the car. You might as well slap your logo on it. You have to That I don't love. You have to put the toast logo on it. I love it.

I don't love the idea of me driving everyone looking at me. I already feel like they're looking at me because I'm doing something wrong.

Now, we let everybody look at you. They will seriously... They will drive you off the road.

Honestly, that is really the one thing you could say. I have serious imposter syndrome when I'm on the road. I'm like, I shouldn't be here. Nobody wants me here. Everybody's laughing at me. All the cars behind me have their windows down, and they're talking about how I'm zigzagging. If I were in a cyber truck, that would just be more eyes on me. And so you've actually steered me away. I'm actually making a look into the Model X, which is just a bigger version of my car. But it has those Batmobile doors, which I'm not dying for.

No. Okay. So you have to be really careful, obviously, in this climate. Taylor Shaker once told me the craziest story. She bought her a friend's car who's a huge Trump supporter. The back of the car had a million stickers. Taylor didn't think anything of it. Who cares? It's not her car. Whatever. She needs to get from point A to point B. She said... Because she was driving in the Hamptons. She was getting driven off the road. Seriously, people honking, trying to literally drive her off the road. You have to hear her say it. When she says it, it's much funnier story. That would happen to you in a Cybertruck, just letting you know. Because truly, only an actual douchebag gets a Cybertruck. Sorry.

Maybe I'm a douchebag. I'm going to test drive one because I do want to see what it's about, and I'll make my own decision. But that's a major con in the column that people would be looking at me. No, don't look at me.

It's so true. She's literally... You need a bumper sticker that's these two fingers. Seriously, do not look at me.

I really need Elon. What he did for the cyber truck, he was reinventing the pickup truck, and that was his mission.

He needs to do the convertible next.

He needs to do the minivan. The Minivan. The Minivan is a lost art. I actually just read an article about how minivan sales are going down. They've obviously become so stigmatized, but they were invented for a reason. It's the most functional vehicle, the space you can imagine for kids, for families, affordable. Elon needs to... I know he's really busy, and he's got a lot on his plate, but he needs to... And as a family man, and he wants to encourage people to have big families, then you need to reinvent the minivan. Sorry. Okay.

You know who has already reinvented the minivan? It's so funny. Ben told me this story yesterday, and whenever Ben says something, I'm like, I know. He's always sharing stories that actually are from two weeks ago. But he shared something with me that I did not know. Do you know who's reinventing the minivan? Who? Mark Zuckerberg. Okay, you have to look up. Ready? He had one special custom made for his wife.

Okay. A Porsche- Wait, I think I... Claudia, I literally think I scrolled past this this morning.

He had a special custom, $400,000 Porsche. They wanted to have it not look like a minivan while also being a minivan.

Claudia, literally, I saw this picture this morning. I didn't read the caption, but new side quest, Priscilla wanted a minivan, so I've been designing something. It looks like- I'm pretty sure it should exist. A Porsche Cayenne turbo GT minivan. It looks like a Hearst.

It looks like there's a coffin in the back.

It's too big. I'm sorry.

It's not even too big. It's too long. Seriously, good luck making a turn. It's like a truck.

Oh, my God. And West Coast Customs did it.

Throwback. Oh, my God.

Pimp my ride.

That's what you need, even though I think that's uglier and more stigmatized than a regular minivan. A minivan?

Genually, it looks like they took the front of one car in the back of another car and put them together. It looks like when you put a leaf on your dining table to extend it.

That's a perfect call. No, I think what Olivia has- This is a go. I think what Olivia has is the closest to a modern A minivan, right?

But it's very high up. It's not as meant for car seats and getting in and out. Anyways, I just thought we could start having the conversations.

I love that.

But I love Tessa I've had a fabulous experience. I've had such a good experience. I want more. I want a bigger one, a better one. The bigger, better one is the cyber truck.

I'm not getting in that. Seriously- Would you go test drive one with me? Oh, yeah. That'd be fun. I think that you will go for the test drive and you will not enjoy the attention that comes along with it. You know who should get one? Great. Liam Payne.

Liam Payne. Then great. Decision made. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I'll go with you.

Okay, cool. We'll vlog it so you guys can come with us. Cool.

So it's settled.

So it's settled. Are you ready for our next story? It is a twofer. Number three, and it's two I've shoved into this one. It's some reality TV development news. The first one is that Bravo is developing a reality show about the Kansas City Chief Wags, still determining final cast members. A source has told Page 6 that Brittany and Taylor will not be a part of it, shockingly.

Am I the only one who thought Brittany not being a part of it was a little shocking? Everybody was like, Duh. Obviously, Taylor is not going to be on it.

I think it's her being like, Taylor being, I would never, and Brittany. Yeah, me neither.

Patrick, burn the contract. Ripping up the- Get me out of this.

I think if Taylor were in a Kansas City chief wagon on this journey with them, then Brittany might have considered it and could have had a whole career doing But now her career is being an A-list wag with Taylor. So she said- To be honest, I think through Taylor, we have learned about the other fabulous women who are wags.

I think it's actually really smart of Bravo to come in. This is a town, a team, a state that people are obsessed with right now. There's a lot more there beyond Taylor and beyond Brittany. I think this group of women is probably going to be fabulous. They had said- This is what- Yeah, sorry, you go.

A source exclusively told people that Bravo is currently filming a reality show about the wags supporting the back-to-back Super Bowl winners. While the show is only in development and the cast list has yet to be officially determined, it will potentially include Nicole Hardman Jr. 'S fiancée, Sharia Gordon. Who we know. That's who's always with Taylor. And Shawana Wethersby, who shares two kids with defensive tackle Chris Jones. And the thing- There's still- I'm sorry. Lots to figure out, including who would be a part of the final cast and whether there's enough there to build a full series around. It's very much a work in progress.

I think there is enough there, especially because I think a lot of the players there, because like we've said many times, they're building this dynasty. They have been on the team for a long time. So the Wags become... You really know everyone. There's always drama. It actually sounds like a really good... What Wags should have been. Wags was not good.

Wags was good. Don't sleep on Wags. However, I like focusing on a team here. I think you could really do it with any franchise. I think the Wags dynamic and community is probably really strong with any sport, any team. So the Niners, of course. But also maybe this could be a A new franchise. Netflix is how they have quarterback, where they follow a few people. Maybe one season, they follow Kansas City wags. The next season, they follow a different city's wags.

I heard it was Bravo. Is that not right?

No, it is Bravo. But maybe Bravo would change up their formula.

Yeah, no. I think you're right. Looking at it as how Real Housewives has franchised. Honestly, I do feel like Real Housewives is at this inflection point, and they have been for a while. What's the future of it? Having these other installations, Southern Charm, it didn't really work out with the Southern Charm Savannah or whatever. But yeah, different cities.

Yeah. Also, I had a thought recently, which is we always are talking about, how does Real Housewives get out of this- Funk. Place that they're in? Can it even be done anymore? The answer is yes. What they did with Sex Lives of Norman Wives should have been Real Housewives.

Yeah. By the way, I'm so glad you just brought that up because I didn't even know the Real Housewives of New York second season with this new... It premiered last week. Do you know how many Less people watched? Who? Actually, less people that watch my Instagram stories. It was really crazy. It's a 300,000. That's insane for a cable network.

That's insane.

I know we're not in the heyday of housewives anymore. At its peak, the Beverly Hills, the Atlanta franchises, they were getting 2 million.

No, that's really bad.

But how is this better than Sonia and Ramona and Dorinda being blackout? More people were watching that.

No, I don't know. I'm just saying that Sex Lives of Norman Wives goes to show you can get a group of women who are wives and mothers and make bussing content, and you can capture the zeitgeist of TikTok and social media while also being in the reality TV format. And Bravo is not doing that, but it can be done.

Yeah. Bravo is not doing that, but I think you're right. Hulu Wives is really a case study for how to make reality TV these days and incorporate social media. I have no notes on, but they've renewed for a second season. Whitney has confirmed she's coming back.

I know, but now I'm worried, have they not been filming this whole time? I don't think so.

But by the way, are you randomly following this Kaitlyn Bristow saga? No. Kaitlyn Bristow was getting her ass handed to her because she had Whitney on her podcast. Seriously, she said at the beginning, I've never seen the show. She knew nothing. She found out in real-time, Are you friends with the girls? She was just asking normal questions. Are you friends with the girls? Then she found out actively on the podcast, Whitney is the girl from the RSV video. Kaitlyn's like, Yeah, I know what video you're I'm talking about. That was you. I've actually felt bad for Whitney. She's getting her ass handed to her for not doing the bare minimum.

Studying up. Or either if you're having her on, watch a show, and if you don't watch a show, don't have her on. It's not like there's a dirth of places for Whitney to go and talk about. Yeah, but now people are saying- And not everyone needs to watch everything. That's fine if she didn't want to watch it.

But now people are saying this has been a strategy with Whitney to go on podcasts of people who don't watch the show because she also went on the Lautner's podcast who aren't heavily involved in the show. It's an easier setup. Which is true. It's smart.

I guess.

But she's confirmed coming back, and Jen Affleck is not.

Because she lives in New York now because of her husband's residency.

I'm walking to work with my eyes filled for Jen Affleck. She made her choice. We haven't done a Sex Lives of Morvan Wives, Secret Lives of Morvan Wives update in a while. But Ancestry Ben Affleck. Com or one of those, confirm Ben Affleck is not related to Jen Affleck.

That doesn't work for me. So I'm going to go back to what I thought before.

And somebody did the due diligence. Jen Affleck is actually more closely related to Lala Kent than she is to Ben Affleck because Lala's from Utah.

Yeah, that makes sense. That's not mic drop.

No, it wasn't mic drop. I was just sharing.

No, I'm not insulting you. I'm saying the person who thought that they made some discovery. I thought it was a good discovery. Are Are you ready for our next part B of Reality TV Development News segment, which is that Mark Estes and the Montana Boys are going to be looking for love in a new show after his split with Kristen. That's a little misleading. They're getting a reality show amongst other things that they're doing in the show. I guess some of them are looking for love. It's not like he's going on The Bachelor or something. Oh, wait.

I just want to say, when you first said it, I thought the idea of them having a group dating show was really smart. I don't think they're interesting enough for a reality show.

So the Unnamed show will follow the trio as they balance their budding career in Nashville and working at their ranches in Montana, along with Partying and Looking for Love. That's the Looking for Love part. The Broadcast Company shared. Vice Studio Group is the one that's helming the show. I think this is another one that could be really good, like Norman Wives, taking a group from the internet who probably have the potential to carry a show. Maybe not. You say no, but I think this is a good idea.

I think that reality TV is best done by women. I don't know. Seriously, with the exception of Jersey Shore, because I thought immediately of that dating show that Pauley and Vinnie had where they were both dating the same group of women. It's widely regarded. Nobody watched it at the time, but it's widely regarded as one of the best shows.

That's catching Kelsey.

But there was just one guy catching Kelsey. They were both dating different women. I think that that's what I thought the original show was. I think that might be better only because you need a lot of personality. Even if they're beaming with personality, men are just more boring. Seriously, who wants to watch a bunch of three guys sit around and talk?

We shall see. Yeah.

What do you think it's going to be called? Montana Boys in the hood? Montana Boys.

Montana Boys to Men.

Montana Boys Making Noice.

I like that. We Them Boys. We Them Montana Boys. I like that. Memoirs of a Montana Boy.

The Montana Boys are Back.

The Boys are Back. I feel like also it could be, you know How about the OC spawn Laguna Beach? It could be Yellowstone spaulling Fellstone.

Oh, girl, you absolutely need to get a grip.

How about Fellstone?

Chills.

Thank you. I'm telling you. There's potential.

If you thought Kevin Costner wanted nothing to do with Yellowstone now, wait till he finds out that they're doing a spin off reality show with the TikTok Montana Boys.

Called Fellas.

He'll be running for the hills.

There's pretench is all I'm saying. There's pretench. On the one hand, I feel like he wasn't signing his contract because he was dating Kristen and she would never. But lest me not forget, she's the queen of reality TV.

Oh, yeah. I think she also respects the hustle. Maybe this was part of the breakup. They got this opportunity They may have to go on dates and stuff.

But also maybe she doesn't want to be on his show. I think she might be done with that for the moment.

Maybe she doesn't want him to pass up this opportunity when she knows this relationship has an expiration date.

Yeah, and she knows that Fellas Stones could be the next Laguna Beach.

She What was the potential in an opportunity like this. Very Cavalier. She knows what it can do for someone.

You know what's a fact that I forget all the time? Shannon. But then when I'm- Shannon.

I actually thought about that the other day.

I don't know what made me think about it. I always forget that Shannon, we know her on Very Cavalier. That got her start. And that she's intrinsically linked to Kristen.

I seriously forget all the time.

It's just funny.

But Can we get Shannon Ford back on reality TV? I don't think she was given a fair shot. I didn't watch that show, but I know she was very much the villain, and she gets fired from the whatever. It's crazy that she's the nicest person in real life. But I think we were robbed in the sense that I think she's an amazing reality star. I would love I just have her back on my TV.

I would love. Maybe on Fellas Thrones.

I'm surprised she never did any of those. There are so many reality shows for former reality shows, reality stars. Oh, true. She does fall in. Like, traitors. She falls in that bucket. But she so evolved past being a reality star. I just think of her as a content creator, a podcaster.

I know. I watched Very Cavalier when it was on, and I forget that I was watching her. We should ask her. Maybe we'll send a text after. I literally spoke to her this morning. Let's see if she ever would do traders. Are you ready for our next story, our fourth story?

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Our next story. Anne Hathaway is returning for Princess Diaries 3. Anne Hathaway has confirmed the news on Instagram. Hours after Deadline exclusively reported that director Adele Lim has boarded the threequel in the video she posted and counted to three, with cuts of her younger self as Mia Thermopolis and Julie Andrews as Queen Clarice Rinaldi, both saying, Shut up.

Okay. Now, I never wanted to do this. I never wanted to say this, but I fear I have no choice but to share an honest truth about myself in this very moment. I, Claudia Ashray, have never seen Princess Diaries, too.

You've not seen any piece of it?

I don't even know what it's about.

It's about her marriage. She has someone who she's betrothed to, a worthy candidate for a princess of Genovia, but she's fallen for the bad boy.

She has a sleepover. What happened to Lily's brother? Wasn't that her man in the first one?

That was high school, Claude. That was so high school.

Because I saw all the hoopla being like, Oh, my God, get Chris Pine in it. I'm like, Chris Pine wasn't even in it.

He was the bad boy that she's falling for in the second one. I don't know if they got married because it's all about a royal engagement. She has her bachelier party. I think it was a sleepover slumber party. They're sliding down the banisters in the castle.

I want to say I absolutely loved Princess Diaries. One, and me not seeing the second one was just a victim of circumstance. Timing. It's not anything against the franchise. I love I think it's Anne Hathaway's best work. I could recite that first one by heart. Love, love, love, Manny Morse, singing Candy. No, stupid Cupid, obsessed. Having said that, I do think we need to let Bygones be Bygones and let this franchise rest.

I agree because it's like, what is this movie going to be and who's it for? Is it for the original fans who are now 30? We're watching mature movies. Is she the real queen of Genovia now?

Is her daughter getting married?

I'm over that I think there's a way to do it well, and we would really enjoy it. I don't know that this is what the world needs, but okay, I won't stop you.

I actually think Julie Andrews is better than this. She was in the sound of music for crying out loud.

Was she going to- Julia Andrews is still the queen of Januvia because she's- Alive. What's the premise?

No, I seriously don't know. I just want to say not to be a hater negative queen, but that's who I am, and I don't like this. I don't think we need it. Let bygones be bygones. Why do we have to destroy the legacy of every great franchise by doing some half-ass reboot 10 years later?

20. The thing is this will be good. Okay. If you say so. Because Anne Hathaway only does quality work. Same with Julie Andrews. This will be good. That is true. Even at its best, do we need this? No.

What do you consider Anne Hathaway's breakout role? Is it Princess Diaries?

Yeah, that's her breakout.

Because that's before Devil Wears Prada.

Yeah, but Devil Wears Prada brought her to a new category of Oscars and stuff.

They're also doing a Devil Wears Prada reboot. Let things be done.

No, they're also doing- They're doing a number two.

Something about Emily, Emily in Paris or something, which, by the way, I watch Emily in Paris. They've actually taken it too far in terms of... We used to kiki and watch because it was bad and funny. Now it's just bad and bad. It's actually a bad TV show. I stopped watching. I don't watch.

Yeah, sorry. Everyone tells me I would love it. I'm like, I don't. I watched it. I don't even like it.

But you low-key would love it now that I think about it. I know.

I know. I don't know that it doesn't do for me what you think it was. It doesn't scratch that itch. Instead, I'm like, Yucky. Yeah.

Because it's a bold type of show. It's about women in the workplace being cutesy.

Yeah, cute. It's not serious. It's fashion, but I don't know. It doesn't capture me. It doesn't have Oh, by the way, it does not have heart. Yeah, I need heart.

You do. You're a lover like that.

I am. That's Amore.

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Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

Yeah. Strip that down for me, baby.

A little box office news. The Joker 2 has premiered at the box office, and the numbers are a little lackluster for the Joker 2.

No, by the way, they are extremely lackluster. The story, the headline here is, After all the hoopla, Faleya Do is flopping majorly.

Faleya Doody?

It's Faleya Doody. There's a theory going around that the director, Todd, destroyed the movie. Lady Gaga and Waukeen, they know it's bad. There's nothing they could do about it. They tried their best, and this director seriously destroyed it. They got some bullshit standing ovation, which now we know means nothing. This video has gone viral of people trying to read their lips because it appears like Waukeen Phoenix says to Lady Gaga, It's horrible. Now, they could be talking about a million things being like, Oh, isn't it annoying when everybody stands up for you? Yeah, it's horrible. They could have said that about anything.

Yeah, these seats are not comfortable. It's horrible.

Oh, yeah. My coxedina is flaring up.

It's horrible.

Yeah. Now we're just looking at everything with this lens because it's apparently a very bad movie. Apparently, Lady Gaga doesn't stop singing in it. Every time there's a problem, they're like, What do we do? And she's like,. She doesn't stop.

It's giving toast. Anyways, Joker: Falea: Do, a genre bending sequel to the billion dollar comic book, Smash. Yeah, you have to remember, those are the numbers they're reaching for here. It's a comic book. It's in the comic Family.

And Joker One was like gangbusters.

It hit a sour note at the box office, even as it opened at number one, but with a $40 million opening weekend. Ticket sales were behind the initial productions of 50 to 65 million, a range that was already revised down in the subsequent weeks since Joker Two landed on prerelease tracking with $70 million.

Right. And they also, I believe, had a $300 million budget. This is a huge movie.

This is bad. Yeah. I imagine they'll make their money back at the end of the day.

Over time.

But it's so crazy. And also it's like, okay, so say the movie was bad, but there are plenty of Joker fans who have to go and see the movie in order to find out that it's bad. Yeah.

Because the weird thing about this is, you said it's like a Marvel DC. It's a comic movie. But the Joker has always had a little bit more of a serious edge to it. It's almost like a mental health film. But this one, they really made really artsy. The people who want... Comic books are very like, mass America. They don't want to see Lady Gaga Skatten, and Waukeen Phoenix being an artist. It took it too seriously.

The Venn diagram circles are getting farther apart.

Did you see that clip of them doing press with the water? No. Okay, I actually want to send it to you. It is one of the... Wait, okay. It is one of the funniest things. It's just a little faux pas. They're sitting and drinking water. How are we spelling Waukeen Phoenix? I'm just going to say Lady Gaga water. Yeah, okay. I texted it to you. Okay. If you guys know what video I'm talking about. It actually it's so stupid. It just really made me giggle. I'll explain what it is after Jackie watches it.

Waukeen Phoenix almost made Lady Gaga spit out her water.

Just tap the water. I'm going to take this one. She grabbed the water for herself and he thought it was for him. It's so stupid, but this is the only thing I've really seen from the movie. I think these two got along so well. This clip made me laugh I think they love each other, but she always does that with her co-stars. But I think they have a real friendship, which is nice. Just a fun fact about coming out of the movie, even though the movie is flopping. Oh my God. This made me laugh so hard. So stupid.

I thought it was going to be not a sweet moment.

Oh, no. It's like, so far it's been fine. It's been good. I think they really like... And they're an unlikely duo from a personality standpoint.

They're both so serious and artists, but they're also both in relationships. So maybe men and women can just be friends. Isn't that the age-old question?

I have something crazy to say because I know who walking Phoenix is.

Obviously- That men and women can just be friends.

No, it's about walking Phoenix. I know these people are so different. But I do sometimes get a little bit confused. I don't get confused because I know walking Phoenix. But he does, to me, him and Quintin Tarantino are interchangeable.

In the same bucket.

They have the same face.

Yeah. It's also crazy that that's Johnny Cash.

We grew up watching Walk the Line. It's one of our family movies. I know Waukeen Phoenix. I've known and loved him forever. I know who he is. When I was growing up, I actually could not tell Julia Roberts and Sandra Bullock apart. I would be like, these two women are the same.

Yeah, they were. They were. They're similar elk. It's all about elk.

Now, we're going to do Love is Blind recap, but I think it might be helpful. I know you put your iPad away because I still am not clear on everyone's names.

I'm not clear on everyone's names, but you'll know who I'm I'm thinking about.

I just want to get the couples, the current couples.

The scientists? I don't know their names.

Oh, Garret. G. Taylor.

Tailored. Then there's-Okay, let's go couple by couple because they're obviously the front runners.

They got engaged first. I think she's literally gorgeous. I love that he's a physicist.

She's so gorgeous. They couldn't be more perfect for each other. I genuinely think that they're soulmates. I don't know what happens next with them, but I'm really looking forward, and I hope that they're the one couple of the season. My only concern with her is it feels like she doesn't know how to be in love. She still has her walls up, and it feels like she's still keeping him at arm's length, making him chase her when it's like, you're engaged now. Now it's time to switch into the loving part, and I feel like that could come between them, but I'm very much rooting for them, and that's a small problem to have after.

I thought it was such an interesting... It made for more dynamic group. I think the city that they film in always has a reflection on the people. I think that the Portland-Seattle group was, up until this group, the worst group.

There is a stigma- No, Claudia Chicago.

Who was Chicago?

Chicago. Shane.

Yeah, Deep T, Natalie. That was a bad group.

That was the worst season so far. Yeah, a thousand %. Worst group until we met the folks from DC.

I actually felt like it was really promising at first. I thought the people, because they're from DC, they're all really accomplished and professional. I feel like one of my concerns with the show always on my complaints is people speak in not real sentences. You're not even saying anything. Every other word is like, like, like, and they speak in TikTok language. I actually thought that these people were really eloquent and mature. It was giving Love is Blind UK. That was my initial reaction to the group. Then it just slowly started to deteriorate. Then the people they decided to focus on, they just chose the work. Well, it's not that they chose. It's like, that's how it ended up.

No, because they chose not to follow Brittany and Leo. To me, I only have the most to say about Brittany and Leo. The way that whole saga captivated me, of course, at the beginning, Leo, our dealer, with the big Jewish star around his neck.

Please make it stop. Seriously, kill me.

By the end, though, I could deal with him, and I was rooting for even though he was really annoying along the way and they're talking about money. And by the time him and Brittany got together, I wanted them to get together just to get on with the experiment. Now, of course, he wanted Hannah, and Hannah denied him, and then he pretends like, Brittany's his first voice. We all know it didn't happen that way, but I want to be engaged to someone. Give me some something. And so I also wanted, when there's a four people and someone has a connection with two people, I like when everybody gets a partner. Of course. And then we can iron out the details in Mexico. But let's all go to Mexico Instead of what happened with Jimmy and Chelsea and Jessica and Trevor, we got two people, and then we have to go wait to the lake till everyone sees each other. For entertainment value, I like when everybody has a partner, and then we'll deal with it.

But at least they all ended up seeing each other. I don't think Brittany and Leo come back on this show at all.

Well, the fact that they didn't follow their engagement is so confusing to me because I thought they were the most interesting, entertaining couple. He got so much air time, as did she. And towards the end, I was like, they're It's perfect for each other. She wants a wealthy guy, and he's a wealthy guy, and he wants a beautiful girl that he could take care of, and she's a beautiful girl who wants to be taken care of.

So they made it so obvious that they both were just so here for the wrong reasons that I don't think in good faith, they could have continued. You can't reward that type of behavior. To get engaged to someone and not be able to tell them that you love them, that's not a real engagement. This whole thing, by the end, it was such a farce. The girl he wanted said no, and then he just chose some other random girl. It was such a farce, and it It was so fake. The one thing about this show, we could say what we want. It's like, it is a legitimate experiment. They almost always end up with multiple couples, multiple people's married. There are a million people who are still married. This, I really think, if they had continued with this charade, It would have chipped away at the authenticity of the experiment.

But that happens all the time when someone's between two people, one person makes the choice, and then they go to the second person. And there's a way to finesse it that is fine, and you get your story followed.

These people were not trying to... Yeah, but Hannah and Brittany They were talking. They usually don't talk, the girls, or the two people. They were talking a lot in the lounge.

If Chelsea had chosen Trevor, Jimmy could have chosen Jess, even though we knew she was second place. But it could have been Fina. So the fact that they couldn't, I don't know, make that believable for us. But I guess, and I know that they're looking for serious couples, but they have serious couples. These two were so entertaining. I was genuinely shocked that they decided not to follow them.

Brittany obviously did not like him from a physical perspective. And maybe she, when the cameras were off, her like, Listen, I'm out. And maybe that's why they didn't follow them.

Maybe.

Maybe she couldn't fake it staying in a hotel room with this person.

The entertainment value of Hannah and other guy and Brittany and Leo in Mexico, they are also doing a TV show. I was ready and excited to see that. Now, Hannah- That's always the best part of Mexico.

Of course, the group function.

And we didn't have that. I had to pause the show, and I was just then stalking them on Instagram. I found Leo's Instagram. He makes a lot of content about art. I wasn't not learning stuff. I was learning some stuff.

I need to talk about Hannah because I feel like there was Taylor on one end who went so far out of her way to not give any indication as to what she looked like. She didn't even want him to know his mother's name because it would have been an indication of her race. I saw a bunch of couples so extreme in not sharing anything about their looks. Then you're reminded of Chelsea saying who you're... It's like, there are roundabout ways of saying what you look like. Oh, my celebrity doppelganger is Megan Fox. I felt like Hannah did that a lot. She kept saying, I always choose the wrong guys who just want me for my looks. She just kept saying a lot of really leading types of things while also saying that she was so worried about... She has her own insecurity. She brought up her weight a lot. Then for her to see her fiancé, who, by the way, say what you want about nick. I know he has a bad reputation. He has been nothing but steadfast in his obsession with Hannah. He has given her no reason to doubt. I want to say something about Monica in a second in regards to how- What's that?

Steven's fiancé. Your favorite person, Steven.

Steven.

For her to open the gates, and the first thing she says is like, Oh, he's small. He misled me saying he's a football player. Why? He literally is a football player. He's not even that small.

And he's, by the way, he said he's a kicker. The kicker is always small. That she was so turned off by his appearance when the whole time, it's like, I would love you if you were this. She's asking, Would you love me if I was a worm? She wants unconditional love no matter what the person sees. She can't get over the fact that in her big ass heels, she's taller than him. Girl, take your heels off.

No, she's awful.

If that bothers you, which it does.

I thought that was so rude and so You expect that dumb, shallow behavior from a man, not from a woman who's really actually seriously looking for-Well, let me tell you the problem with Hannah.

But she's 24. She's 26.

Okay, she's so immature. She's obviously 26, but also really immature, really insecure. So she reads like an actual 18-year-old.

So, yeah, her age is really a hindrance in this process. It's funny because Leo said she was the most mature one that he's met.

No. Oh, my God. That conversation where she tried to break up with Leo and she's just screaming, sighing, crying, throwing up.

And he's like- Because she can't even stand behind the decision that she made because she doesn't know what decision to make. It was so funny watching that juxtaposed with Marissa, who I have other issues with. But Marissa had two connections, bought And Ramsey said, they were both going really well. She's having so much fun with both of them. And then she just sits bottom down and says, One, we have so much fun, but I find... Listen. And it's very similar to the Love is Blind UK guys.

Baniya.

She sits him down and said, We have a really strong connection, but my connection with Ramsey's is a little more romantic, that she's able to identify that and also say, And now I want to spend the time working on my one connection, not get to the last day having spread myself with two connections the entire time. I'm That is maturity. That's emotional maturity. The fact that Hannah couldn't do that, couldn't identify which connection she liked more and then zero in on it, and when she finally did make a choice, couldn't even stand by that choice. Leo was making it easy for her because he was being a dick. So it's like, Oh, well, thank you for telling me what I need to know.

He was being a dick, and she still didn't even break up with him. She just loved having two guys, and she wanted to be a main storyline. I found her. Then when she said that thing about nick, who I can't believe nick has such a bad reputation. Like, Oh, he's charming. He's like a smooth talker. Not a crime.

But here's also a good example, because in Love Is Blind UK, there was a guy who was saying all the right things. Sam. Sam. And for some reason, you couldn't believe what he was saying. He was saying everything perfect, but it just wasn't... It was just intuition saying, This guy's full of shit. And we had confirmation because the men said, This guy is bad news. He's there for the wrong reasons. We never had that with nick. I feel like if he was one of those guys, Leo could have easily said to Hannah, By the way, nick is not here for the right reasons. He's got issues with the guys in the That wasn't the case. She had no reason to doubt him other than just a feeling.

My issue with Monica is that I felt like Hannah was getting such bad advice in the pods. I mean, in the lounge, she would have the pods and have her feelings come back and tell everyone. Monica and that other sports casting girl were being like, You can't choose nick. But she initially liked nick. She was like, nick, really? Monica has such a hard on for nick. She literally walked in to that beach. You didn't see. In Mexico, when they all meet for the first time, she sees nick and then makes a comment in her thing like, Oh, he's small, and basically calling him ugly. It's like, Bitch, you ended up with a man who's a cheater. Okay, Steven, I mean, I guess you could technically, in a technical definition, define me as a cheater. Bitch, you literally cheated. Monica, you chose a cheater. Close your mouth. Stop judging other people.

Claudia, I forgot that Steven's even a cheater. Steven is so many things. He's seriously the worst, most insufferable type of man.

Yeah, I kept forgetting about them. They're They were very forgettable, and they were talking about their connection. I'm like, Is the connection in the room with us? What are you guys talking about? I just think that she got so fixated. His story is obviously crazy. You see him, he's just a white guy. His whole life thought he was Italian. Does one of those tests. Turns out he's 80% Nigerian, Ghanaian.

By the way, the % keeps changing. His dad is a quarter.

His dad is three-fourths.

That's what it was. Then he said his dad is three-fourths. That's what he said.

It turns out he has huge- That doesn't make Steven 80%. No, it doesn't. But he has this huge African background. I guess when he found that out, his first thing that he did was go buy some books on his culture. Very normal. That's what a mature, curious person does. He bought books. He's also a cheater. Everything else went out the window when he bought a book. I understand being happy somebody has respect for their culture. I think that's beautiful. But I felt like it was the only thing she thought of when there were so many other red flags with him.

No. The thing is, to me, the cheating isn't even a huge red flag because Freddie from Love Is Blind had cheated, and we could forgive him a thousand times over. The way he told the story, Well, I hate the label, but I guess technically, I'm a cheater. Just fucking fess up. I also think the cheating that he did is one of the worst. He slid into someone's DMs. He had an emotional affair. That's like having those thoughts. Not just I made a mistake one time. I was drunk. I You laid a plan. That's really fucking crazy to have an ongoing emotional affair with someone in a lot of ways. I think that that's what's worse. And also the way he tried to say it while acting like he's taking accountability, but passing it off is not that bad.

And bringing it up.

That's what I mean when I say he's so insufferable because he's like, I'm accountable in this and that. You're really not.

And I'm sure there's more of the story.

There always is. Oh, my God.

And Monica was just really pissing me off. Hannah wasn't helping herself, but she's younger, and these older women were giving her advice. They were giving her bad advice, and they were like, mauling her for liking nick. I think that's why she told him to go home. I think she felt embarrassed. Everybody was making fun of her. That other girl who works in sports casting who had two dates with nick being like, I can't believe you fell for smooth talk. Shut up.

I guess, but that didn't bother me as much because if you love someone and you have a connection with them, you should be able to withstand some chatter from the girls who don't see him like you see him. It's all on Hannah being immature. I don't want to say that only older people should go on this show because I don't think that that's true. I think at 26, frontal lobe there, you can be old enough to go on the show. But she didn't know thyself. She didn't know what she was looking for. She didn't have the confidence in her own decisions, and it's a mess.

It's a mess. I completely agree. I'm sorry, I only brought it up because when Monica comes in, she just says something nasty about nick. I got it.

About his looks. It put it into context, everything she had been saying.

She has a hard on for him. Shut up.

I just want to say, am I crazy? Nick is a very good-looking guy.

I have no idea what these people are talking about. He's so normal-looking.

He could be on the bachelor. He's 5'9, which isn't short, but it's not tall. If she takes her heels off, she is shorter than him.

It's literally the least big deal in the world.

If you are someone who wants to be shorter than your man, you can achieve that.

Just don't wear- And he didn't have a problem with it. He said, wear your heels.

Just don't wear the clod hoppers. He said, wear your heels during the reveal. You could wear a kitten heel. She had a kitten heel of a different.

Let's talk about Tyler and Ashley A, who are my favorite couple until I found out this morning. To me, they were really the only reason I was keep watching. They have this really nice conversation about... And they're both really religious. So at first you think it's about that, but it's really not. She's like, I've been keeping abstinence. I'm sorry, I don't know what the right verb is, but I've been doing abstinence.

She's like not abstinent.

I've been abstaining. Oh, my God. Are we okay? And not for any religious reason. It was this thing called soul swapping. I had never heard of it, but he was like, totally. He knew what she was talking about. And I guess it's this thing where sex is so personal and so intimate, just to have casual sex. You feel like you're giving a piece of your soul away and you want to keep that for yourself. And she's like, I've just not been having sex with guys that I'm not seriously seeing. And he was like, Totally respect that. I love it. They prayed together before bed. I just fucking love these people. And I I thought that their connection was so authentic. I loved him. Every time they went to the guy's quarters, he was like that guy hyping up other guys. I just... Seriously, I thought they were the best couple ever. Now, the children. There's obviously nothing wrong with having kids, but it appears as though he is really minimizing his involvement in the kid's life. The mom and grandma of the kids are sharing all these pictures being like, What are you talking about sperm donor?

Has he mentioned to Ashley that he has these kids?

I haven't gotten there yet.

I think you should wait and make the decision for yourself. I think there is a way in which he's minimizing it for a good reason.

Maybe to protect the identity, which that I understand, but the mom is now posing pics of the kids.

Okay, that's her choice. Yeah. I think... And it's also like, she'll get some eyeballs from this process, but not as much as him. I think you can wait. That doesn't have to ruin the show for you.

Because Seriously, by the end of the episode I was watching, I was only tuning in for them.

What about the scientists?

The scientists are really compatible and really cute. They are not interesting.

Brittany and Leo were interesting.

Yeah.

Okay, Brittany, anyone else? Also, I'm Hannah and nick are interesting.

A lot of the cast members look very different. Yes, Gareth looks really different now. Hannah is a completely new person. She has hair down to her ankle. She's lost a ton of weight. She had said that she had recently lost 45 pounds. I feel like she was in the middle of a journey. Yeah. Because now she's at the end of the journey.

I also feel like when you're in the middle of a transformative journey like that, transforming inside and out, it's not the time to be going on a show like this and meeting your potential life partner. You're still figuring yourself out. However, Love Is Blind only comes to DC once in a while. Sign me up.

By the way, that's such a good point. Going through a physical transformation really fucks with your head. I can only imagine dating on that.

Dating plus being on a show that's not about looks. In a bathing suit? Claudia, being on a show that's not about looks until it becomes all about looks. And looks is like the elephant in the room. And it's a mind fuck before you're even going through a transformative, formative journey. I also want to say, so while I was on my Leo Brittany, like rabbit hole, wanted to see their trip to Miami. Leo posted a bunch of stuff about how a lot of the people in the house, and they've attested to this, had no idea that he had money or came for money, and that he actually did not talk about it that much. Now, we heard about him talk about it three separate times, and it sounded like that was all he was talking about. But it seems as though those were the three times he talked about it. It wasn't this big thing. One girl commented like, Oh, Leo, I didn't know you were Richie Rich. Like, call me. And then someone, maybe it was Tyler, went on the vial files, and they asked him about Leo, what are your thoughts on Leo? Because he's obviously getting the villain edit.

And he was like, I didn't know anything about Leo. He never mentioned that. He seemed like a really good guy. He really was vouching for him, and it just made me question what we saw about him. Now, of course, there were things that he said that he said those things and deal with that. But I do feel like he got the villain edit a little bit.

Oh, for sure. And I don't think he's a bad person. If anything, he's just an annoying loser. But I boiled it down. I know what's wrong with Leo. Because the thing is, when you grow up uber wealthy, the assumption is that you're cool. You have had experiences most people never have. Like he said, country club, He's like, Oh, it's a Rolex.

And then the Rolex was passed down from his grandfather. That's different than just going out and buying a Rolex.

He is inherently uncool. He says things that if a cool person said it, you might think it was But he's not suave like that, and he thinks he is. He's just an uncool, rich person, which it's hard to be. To be rich is like, half the work is done for you.

I just thought there was entertainment There's an entertainment value there, and I was really shocked that they cut us off.

Now, the last two couples that we haven't spoken about, Ramsey and Marissa. I have something to say about Marissa, and I know every time I recap with you, I bring up this conversation about Will Farrell, and you probably didn't think anything of it.

No, I thought it was so weird.

Okay, it was a dumb question.

First of all, Will Farrell is funnier.

She was like, Will Farrell or Adam Sandler? It's a fine question. Honestly, I have no problems with it.

It's a little weird.

But I felt like when she asked it and then the conversation that happened after, really pinpointed that she was just like, such a people pleaser because she was like, Okay, Will Farrell or Adam Sandler? Her belief is that Will Farrell is the least funny person on the planet, and Adam Sandler invented comedy. Ramsey's... Was it Ramsey's or was it the other guy?

Ramsey's.

He says, Oh, Will Farrell. She vehemently disagrees with it. They answered a question. There was A or B, and they both chose separate things.

And she asked that question as a test.

Of compatibility.

Not just like, this or that, this or that. She was like, this is the question I have to ask you.

But then Ramsey was like, But I will say elf is not good. And she was like, Oh, my God, I agree. We're soulmates. No, you literally just vehemently... You're on opposite sides. If that's the test for compatibility, you failed. And I know it was such a dumb small moment, but I really felt like it was like, Oh, you're not a serious person.

No, you're not a serious person. Will Phil or Adam Serra, who gives a fuck? They're the same thing.

No, it's such a bad question.

My issue was with the question, not even with the way she contorted herself to make the answer work for her. Mine was the people-pleasing.

Yeah, but it was a window, I feel, into them not working out, dead ass.

Yeah.

But I do think he's a better match for her than, I'm so sorry, Bowden.

I actually liked what she said because they both were having great conversation. And because she was the people who was there, everything was like, Yeah, we're the same. We're the same.

Oh, my We're literally soulmates.

We're soulmates. By the way, I just want to say, two people should not be the same. Isn't that the old adage opposites attract? If you find someone who is carbon copy, you probably shouldn't be together just based on the laws of physics, no? It's so true. But when she said she had more romantic feelings and it was more friendly with Bon. I'm like, Okay, that's a good enough reason for me.

Yeah. I thought she was very mature about her decision. I don't have any problems with what she did really in the pot. I thought her strategy was so fair. She was very communicative with everyone. It It was when you put it up against the other love triangle, it was so much better handled.

So much better handled. There's a clean... I don't envy anyone in that position. You're making a big decision that's going to affect a lot of people's lives, potentially for the rest of their life. It's a hard decision to make, but it can be done well.

There is nothing wrong with having multiple connections. But at some point, you have to just have one. To be on the last day before you get proposed to, he's still talking to another girl, that's not it.

Yeah. Don't you want to focus on that one and strengthen it so that when you do say yes to an engagement, you really feel like you know this person and that's your fiance? Yeah. And same goes for Leo, by the way. He handled it like shit, too. He should have made a choice earlier on. But as you said, he wanted to be on the show, so you don't do that. And I think he liked Hannah more, but she wasn't ready to choose him, so he was just waiting it out.

The thing is, I don't even know if he liked Hannah more. I think this happens a lot on the show where a girl is in a love triangle with another woman, and she is so... Because women are more emotional. We seek clarity. We just want to know what page run, and someone being like, I don't know. I love you both. That's infuriating. They get to a place where every date they have with this person just turns into an argument about the other person. Then so Leo is like, Well, I like Brittany, but every time we hang out, we fight. It's always One of them starts every conversation. Like Jess and Jimmy. Yes, where you self-sabotage because you just want answers. Then the man thinks of you like, Oh, this girl is miserable. You implode. Jess was like, Listen, you have to tell me. He was like, Okay, it's not you.

Right. I'm not a big on parallel universes, but I would love to see what would happen if Jimmy had chosen Jess.

I actually don't think they would have worked out.

Really?

Yeah. She's a whole lot of women. The thing is, in the pods, I think he was maybe a hot commodity, but in the real world, I don't think so.

But she would have loved him, and he would have loved... I don't know. I think they had more pertent than Jimmy and Chelsea.

The last couple is Tim and Alex. Now, I want to say, I Is that Nation of Islam?

Yeah. I'm personally not watching their journey. That's when I check my phone. The fact that they would talk about that admiringly when it's a deeply racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic organization. That's where I checked out. But I'm not going to let that ruin the season for me.

No. And to be clear, I just wanted to say, because I know Nation of Islam as Louis Farrican. I'm not anti-Semitic. I'm just anti-termite. That's what he says. I'm not an anti-Semite, I'm an anti-termite. I then went on their Wikipedia page, really, to see what they're all about. Me too. Okay. By the way, I didn't realize that... I wanted to be clear. Nation of Islam is a Nationalist group. They are not Muslim. They're two separate things. I just want to be entirely clear about that. And their beliefs are that Jews injected the Black community with AIDS. They start the- Amongst that, that's one. But that one really stuck with me. I was like, Oh, my God, that's new. I completely agree.

No, it would literally be her sitting there being like, My grandfather has a photo with David Duke. It's the same thing. The The fact that there was nothing about how terrible it is. She was proud. She was proud, and then he was like, Oh, wow, that's like with Malcolm X. I'm like, No, thanks.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not watching. I was really shook by that. I was like, Oh.

So whether they're right for each other or doing well? I have no idea. I'm not paying attention.

Well, I just want to say she obviously does not like him in a physical sense. She's not being awful to him, but she's not being like... And I actually think he's a really nice guy. I think he's He's the type of guy you would be lucky to have. He's very communicative. He shared all these things with her about his sisters who both passed away. I think she's so unworthy. I think in the pods, I was like, Oh, I think she's genuine. Now in person, I feel like she's just completely written him off, but she doesn't want to be shallow.

Understood. So she'll wait.

Yeah, until the proposals are done.

But there are so many couples.

I know. I feel like a lot of times there's eight couples that go to Mexico or eight couples that get engaged, and Netflix does their own pairing down to five or six. I think they could have used a little bit of pairing down. There are some couples here who are really uninteresting.

Like who?

Monica and Steven. I think that they're not interesting at all, honestly. They make me chuckle. I don't think that their chemistry, because I don't think Gareth and Taylor are interesting at all either, but their chemistry is interesting.

The show needs serious couples like that. They're wildly interesting people. They're so smart. It's literally the first thing she said when she was talking nick and Vanessa about retrograding date. She's just so smart. She's a pleasure to listen to. The fact that they have those little theories- Heisenberg. It's so fucking cute. It's lessons in chemistry. We need that, even though they're not the most interesting. It's like Lauren and Cameron.

Yes, a thousand %. You need those core couples.

Yeah. They're one of my faves right now.

No, and the thing is, they're such a big group, and when they all get together, there is no crossover. There's no love triangle that made it out.

That's where the entertainment lies.

If you're going to have such a big group for that reason, because there's a bunch of people who used to date. Love that. Throw them all in a pool. Perfect.

I really think it was a mistake to not follow Brittany and Leo. I know they don't want to encourage their sponsor behavior, but they've got plenty of it already, and it would take away from the entertainment value of the show. I was really floored by that decision because we've never followed a couple, watch them get engaged, and then they say, We've decided not to follow them.

Jackie, do you know we're going on an hour and 45 minutes? I just was looking at the clock, I'm like, There's no way.

It makes sense. We had so much to talk about today.

Oh my God, I just got up. I'm literally sweating my back. Oh my God.

Okay, we could call it. The Kurds are at their limit.

No, but we just actually have to get the episode up.

Yeah, it's going to be even longer because it's an hour 45.

Okay. I also just wanted to say Brittany from Love is Blind is Bridget from the bar. If you guys follow at Bridget on Instagram, they look and talk the same, and it's a compliment. They're both beautiful.

I want to say by the end, I was so endeared to Brittany. That's also why I wanted to follow her journey. Did she find the man for her? She was seriously so sweet. You thought at the beginning that she was going to be superficial, like goal digger. She was not that.

Yeah.

Not that at all.

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