Transcript of Love, Hockey, and Healing: Thursday, July 30th, 2026

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It's the toast.

It's Jackson and Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast 5 things you need to know.

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.

They sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast and happy Thursday.

It's latter half, latter half energy on the day of the Thurs.

It is like so simpatico energy in here. Not us both wearing leggings. Okay, cool, chill girls who drink beer.

Well, it's raining.

I know, this weather's like not the vibe.

And as I shared earlier in the week, like I'm committed to switching it up a little bit just because I'm sick of doing the same thing every day. So yeah, I did leggings, but then I still like— I, I— yeah, I should have worn like a casual top, but I just like having a great— I have an aversion to casual. Coolness lately.

Like, I have a— what's the opposite of aversion? Diversion?

No, like a fondness, a warmth and love.

I love cash. I'm so casual. That's like the beer drinker in me.

Always a love. I can't go down this road. Can we get it? Like, you drink beer, you're not like—

you guys don't get it, but okay, we're striving together. Not really getting like how chill and cool I am and how much I like sports.

But okay, we also are simpatico today because we drove together.

We did. We decided to save the gas Save the energy.

What's so funny is I did a Q&A on my Instagram the other day because I'm an influencer, and, um, so many questions were, why don't you guys drive together to the—

well, I guess I think it's really weird, but we do different things after the show.

But also, like, personally, I just learned how to drive. I just got my car. Like, these things are still exciting for me. Even people ask me, like, why don't you do self-driving on your Tesla? And it's like, I'm not sick of driving yet.

No, I actually do understand why people think it's so weird. And there are a lot of things we do that like really like freak people out. I'm like, well, you guys are the freaks, not us. I actually agree that it is like low-key weird of us, um, but it just means like afterwards, like, I can do—

like, if I want to stop and get a coffee or like a— yeah, breakfast taco freedom. It's freedom.

And you know me, like, I hate doing things that I don't want to do. So like, if me and Jackie are driving home and she like has to stop somewhere, like, I don't want to go.

No. And this morning I was going to stop and get my breakfast taco and my coffee. And she was like, oh, I was actually thinking of driving with you, so I couldn't go. Yeah, so my freedom is limited.

Correct. We prioritize freedom here. I don't know if you guys can say the same, but we do.

That's the patriotic, swirly nature.

Just as free, free as we'll ever be.

So how did you feel driving with me?

I felt relaxed. You have a nice little heat warmer. Um, I felt good, like definitely would do it again. Yeah, the cardboard in me obviously loves like the not, not using gas. Oh, speaking of cardboard, Jackie and I had such a fun afternoon yesterday. I've been meaning to go. So for my birthday, Ben got me this really, really beautiful Chanel bag, like king, and I did really like it, but I also wanted to see like, you know, what else they had. I wasn't intent on returning it, but I wanted to go to the store and see if there was anything else that really screamed at me. And so of course I knew just the swirl for the job, my podcaster influencer sales associate. And we went to the Chanel in East Hampton, which was like just a fun outing having like free money to spend.

Yeah, that was the best part. It like wasn't new money to spend, like the money was spent.

Of course we did end up spending like a couple hundred dollars, and I had to get a couple things for myself. But, and not Ben like being such a generous king, like the bag that I picked to swap it out with was significantly less. So I was like running around the store like looking for things just to meet my credit. They don't give you a refund, you have to exchange. So I got a bag, a new bag a pair of sunglasses and a pair of shoes. And I of course then ended up going over the credit. I had to spend $400, which killed me, but basically free.

Such cute stuff.

Such cute stuff.

And I got two pairs of sunglasses. Like the amount, I think in order of like products I use most in my life, I would say like my phone is number one. Sunglasses is number two.

It's true. And you know, like they say it's like bad for your eyes or whatever.

I know, I know. And I'm already trying after 4 o'clock, I try not to wear them. I am addicted.

They say you should like exposure therapy your irises.

I'm addicted to sunglasses and I try not to buy sunglasses that are like too dark now. Like, I've been wearing these Ray-Bans that I think are actually really good for me because they're like much lighter. Um, but sunglasses are very important to me, and like, you know, they're the purse of the face.

So I love—

you shouldn't mess— like, more so than like jewelry you're not gonna wear.

And like, my problem is I'm actually like very hard on my sunglasses. Like, oh yeah, I kind of throw them in. I always lose the case.

Kids play with them.

Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, Ruby loves playing with sunglasses. So like, it's like annoying to spend money, and you know, they say that like designer sunglasses are made in the exact same factory as like Claire's.

I just want to say, like, I try on sunglasses everywhere I go, you know, the surf shop, the ones that have Z Supply. Everywhere sells Z Supply these days. It's like Amazon in real life. I try on the sunglasses, it's not the same. No, I agree, it's not the same.

I do think that like the logo makes it more beautiful.

No, it just— it's just not. I wish it was. I, I would buy cheaper sunglasses too, but like sometimes like the— you need the polarized lens. That's a real thing. Totally the polarization.

Sunglasses can give you a headache.

Yeah, and then they have to be like the right tightness. I don't like them tight.

I don't like when they squeeze my temples. Yeah, no, it's so personal.

So all that to say, we had a very successful shopping day, and due to the conversation yesterday, that actually inspired our next vlog, which is going down tomorrow with Miss Margot, sales associate, foley.

Jackie knew better than to ask me to be her subject because like, sorry, I'm not trying on clothes on camera, like pressure to buy. I did that once and it was like at my skinniest. Remember when we went to Abercrombie at the mall. Yeah, and we were vlogging. Let me tell you, I still had a terrible time. So I hate trying on clothes in stores, and I certainly hate trying on clothes.

You know what vlog I just remembered that we did that was such a slay, that's like similar to this one, was dressing you for St. Barts in my closet. Well, let me just tell you, like, if you're not a Patreon member, you should join and go watch that episode. That's like people's favorite episode.

And just decided to go to St. Barts, like I had to pack using her closet, and I was so skinny, like, oh my God, it's insane.

I had amazing things for her and I gave her everything.

And I was the best dressed woman in St. Barts, like, hands down. Um, it was probably the happiest I'd ever been and it was an amazing time and an amazing vlog.

The vlog is amazing. It's like, it's a real peek into like my closet. It's a real taste of her trip.

And you— that trip, that, that vlog also inspired me because your closet was like very impressive in the sense that like you had clothes for 10 different women. You had literally extra small up till like postpartum pregnancy.

I am 10 different women.

And I, every time I lose £3, I throw away all my big clothes. I'm like, ew, I don't need her.

Sweeper.

And every time I get big, I'm like eventually throwing away my small clothes. So it did really inspire me to like, you know, have a closet for a real woman, you know? Just be a little less sweeper when it comes to my sizes. Yeah, at least when I lost all the weight on Ozempic, I was like, I'm never going back there, so everything can go. Even my expensive stuff. I got rid of everything. Meanwhile, I had a baby and I need all that clothes.

Yeah. No, in this season of life, through the ups and downs, I need a closet that's small through extra large, that's got your back. So that was a really fun vlog. So tomorrow we are taking Margot shopping. We're gonna like set a budget. I'm gonna dress her and like I'm definitely gonna sort of like push. Oh, well, I always push, but like you—

I know you're pushing an agenda.

I'm pushing an agenda. I'm a mature woman.

A mature woman.

Yeah, mature woman's agenda.

Um, unfortunately I did have to agree to like, since we're making Margot do this and take time for her day, we do pay for her clothes, right?

Because she was like Well, do I have to pay for everything?

You can't force her to film and then also like spend all this money.

Do you have to pay for the movie?

Yes, she's a card— accounting department.

Let me call Cardboard.

And I agree, but we have to be strict with our budget.

Yes, so you'll see all the glory town.

I'm thinking $500, but I know you're gonna say that's not enough.

I think you're right. $500 from you, $500 from me. $1,000. My budget was gonna be $1,000. We want to have a good vlog with lots of options. Things are expensive out here.

I just want to say I find myself like leaning a little too much into my card— like the cardboard joke is so funny and like it's like the best thing ever. But like, I'm like not— I'm really not that cheap. Like, I have like cheap tendencies, of course, but I find myself like leaning into it more and becoming like really cardboard just for the sake of the joke. Like, I need to calm down because it's actually like affecting my life now.

Like what?

Let me think. Just like I told you that thing about like Ben Sad, we were going to Butterfly World.

Oh yeah.

We were going to Butterfly World, like, with, um, Ben's parents, which is like this really cute, like, little butterfly exhibit. And like, the tickets are like $20 or whatever. And I forget what was happening, but I was like, well, Bruce doesn't need to go. And like, they're gonna— they were gonna make him go. And I'm like, don't make him go. He was tired or whatever. He like wanted to stay home. I'm like, don't make him go. We need to buy him a ticket. They're like, Claudia, it's like a $20 ticket. Like, you're gonna be completely fine. Yeah. So I—

he can go see the butterflies.

Like, Cardboard has become a self-fulfilling prophecy, and I would like to stop it dead in her tracks. Like, I'm really not You're not cardboard. No, I mean, I live an extremely lavish lifestyle. Like, I'm renting a home in the Hamptons for the summer. Like, I need to, like, remember who the fuck I am.

Wow.

Yeah, I'm not cardboard. Like, you're— you sort of, like, made me this way.

Oh my God, you wore it with such pride. Cardboard Cadets, you started, like, your own community.

I love, like, a little, um, like, a cardboard—

like, you started, like, Koji's Cardboard Corner.

Yeah, Koji's Cardboard Corner. Yeah, no, my Cardboard Cadets, and we are a strong community.

So, but I just want to be open and honest with people, like, because It was a joke.

I have a couple of Birkins. Like, I'm not like—

it was a joke.

I'm not broadly out of budget.

It was a joke that like could have died the day that I said it.

No, but it's so good.

It lived on because of you.

Yeah, but I feel that I have leaned in. I have cardboarded a little too close to the sun.

Okay, well, tomorrow's going to be really, be really fun. Patreon.com/the toast. Like, we're shopping with Miss Margot.

Patreon's on fire this morning.

And you can see like my skills in action.

Yeah, no, it is. Even yesterday, like, the bag that I ended up taking, you completely chose. You are a very helpful person.

Yeah, and I'm very encouraging. It's so funny, when I was shopping with my friends and I was saying how like whenever we go shopping, like this is my role, I encourage everyone to like buy everything. And they were like, and does Claudia do the same? Like, no, she tells me I look fat.

Also, like, I hate shopping in person.

She tells me everything looks stupid.

I always want to leave the store unless it's a store that like has really cozy chairs for like the husbands and cardboards. Um, then I'll be like, yeah, try it on, try it on. But I find shopping in person in a store to be so unpleasant that I'm always dying to leave the store.

I find it so invigorating, and that's why the no influencer sign like really— oh my God, really hurt me. Because as someone who loves shopping, if I walked into a store and it would say like no Jews, you know, and of course I can't go here either.

No. And it is funny not to keep— it's like the new Nickelodeon where we have to talk about it once a day, but this store is benefiting so greatly from all the buzz on social media, like like the influencer type of culture, the culture that they're hating on, like, is benefiting them so greatly right now. Like, the store is packed. I've heard they have so much engagement on social media that they never had. So it's like, don't— you hate the player, you hate the game, yet you are the player. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Funny.

I thought of one more thing that I just wanted to say. Okay, hold on, we'll go back. Oh, do you remember the store Big Drop?

Of course, everyone knows that saleswoman.

Yeah, there was a store in the city, it was like an iconic Upper East Side store. I bet like it was featured on Gossip Girl. Like, it was so classic, it was like on It was on Third Avenue.

It wasn't like that, like it wasn't high-end, but it was so classic.

Like, yeah, it was right next to Haru, the sushi place where everyone on the Upper East Side ate. It was just like a very classic place, and it was like low-key expensive, like regular clothes, you know? It didn't need to be so expensive. And they had the most insane salespeople there.

Like, woman— there was no one woman.

It was a, it was one— it was a company mentality. Like, they— you, you couldn't walk into the store because people used to joke, they used to like stand outside and pretend like they were getting sucked in. Like, it was the craziest place. Like, I actually bought a ring there once.

Like, who—

when I was like 17, I'm like, what am I doing? They had— that's like the worst type of sales associate. It was such a truly like toxic workplace. That place was crazy. Yeah, but that strip, uh, if you were like alive—

I mean, Scoop, Scoop.

Yeah, like that 4-block radius was just like the place to be. Atlantic Grill, Pinkberry, EJ's. Was there a Pinkberry there?

There's a Pinkberry Second.

No, no, that's not the same strip.

Too high.

Second, we're on third and it's lower, but it's like Atlantic Grill, Haru, Big Drop, BJ's, Skip, Atlantic Grill. Like those 5 blocks, that was probably the happiest time of my whole life, those 5 blocks.

That and the other thing you said before was that that was the happiest time, doing the vlog in St. Bart's.

Okay, that was the happiest time of my life. Sorry if you just like had a happy life.

Yeah, like the more the merrier. Yeah, the more the merrier.

So many moments.

We love happiness. Yeah, yeah. So that's what we were up to. I maj a lot yesterday. I played with friends, and then I came home and like Ben was just ready to go.

I've like seriously made monsters. Like, I'm just trying to relax, and Ben's like, you want to play maj? And I never thought like I would be the type of person to turn down maj games every day. But then you have to do other stuff too.

Ben and I look at each other, we're like Siamese.

You guys are crazy.

We've sort of like cut out the middleman. Me? Much like Quints.

Yes, right. No, you've cut me out.

Yeah, because like Sometimes you want to maj and sometimes you don't.

And like, the thing is, I love maj more than anyone. I made it my whole personality. But it's like, there is a time and place for it. And like, for you guys, you know, it's always the time and place except for after dinner.

Like, that's when I'm not majing. But when you don't want to do something, like, you don't do it. But like, if you guys were majing, I'm not flexible, and I personally didn't have the itch in that moment, but like my whole family's majing, like, yeah, I'm gonna maj, right? Um, so that's why like we can't really go by you anymore.

No, and I'm not upset that you guys are.

We like love Siamese.

That's great, that's great. That's great. I am just a little bit more discerning about like time and place.

I don't know, I don't know. But now, like, good luck getting a time with us.

I've made genuine monsters, but in a beautiful way. Yeah, this is all I wanted like my whole life. Yeah, I always like had an easy time getting Ben to play, but I've like wanted you and my sisters like to play mahjong. It's a 4-person game.

You and my sisters? As if I'm not—

you plus the sisters.

I'm not a sister.

I've always wanted like— we grew up at a house—

the rumors are gonna start.

It's a 4— they already have. It's a 4-person game. We have 4 girls in the house, like perfect.

Yeah.

It's my dream.

Yeah, no, but now it's the time.

It's a reality.

Mm-hmm, except like, it's just me and Ben.

Works for me. When Margot comes, she'll play.

Oh yeah, Miss Margot. I think she's coming today, word on the street.

Word on the street?

Oh, and then the other happening of yesterday, Bruno.

Bruno's annual pancreatitis flare-up has begun. Bruno only gets sick in the Hamptons.

Because he, as I've told you guys, he eats so much when we're here. There's two—

Bruno is fucking enormous.

Bruno has gained so much weight. There's two children, two babies, baby-led weaning. He like picks up scraps all day long. And yesterday, like, he was throwing up all day and was sick. He obviously has mild pancreatitis, which he gets every summer because it's like this every summer. Like, there's more people in the house, there's more food for him.

Just when he's getting back to his OG weight, we go to the Hamptons.

I know, like, he needs to spend the summer at a fat camp.

Yeah. I know a place.

A fat camp for dogs?

No, for adults. Oh, I've been to it.

For dogs, I think he would love it because, yeah, he spends like all year like, you know, trimming, getting in shape, and he's looking good. He comes out here for summer and he just bulks up, and I feel bad. But you know what, like, it makes him so happy until a point. And now he's sick.

So he overate to the point of like genuine— it was, it was all good and fun until he made it until he's like not feeling well. So yeah.

Oh, now Zach is like using this to be like he's not gonna sleep in the bed with us anymore.

I'm kind of with Zach on that. Like, he was uncontrol— oh, I don't know what about ever again. He was like, un—

last night he slept in the crate. He needed that, and he needed to sleep through the night. Like, no co-sleeping for Bruno. But he was like, and never— and now he's not going to sleep with us anymore.

That's just like, that's unnecessary.

I say that will— that doesn't work for me.

Yeah, that's— does Zach not like co-sleeping with Bruno?

I don't know, cuz there's so many of us in the bed, and I— but like, Bruno's the best sleeper in my family. Why does he get the boot?

I don't know why he's the problem.

I don't know either. I was like, that won't work. Like, that's Strye o'clock. Like, if Bruno doesn't get to sleep with us, like That's what does he get, all of his— the love that he gets in the day. Like, yeah, I was like, honestly, like, this won't stand. He's like, it's me or Bruno in the bed.

I was like, you don't— see you on the couch.

It's like, you don't want to go there.

It's a battle you're not gonna win.

And last night, like, I— when I was like tossing and turning in the night, like, I genuinely was like, where's Bruno?

But he needed to—

yes, last night. But he's trying to like use this as a going forward measure, as an excuse.

I didn't know he felt that way.

Sleep with us again. He's literally not the problem in the bed. Hmm. Broody. My feet were so cold because no one was laying on them.

Prudy. I actually like hate when Romeo like lays on my legs. Like Theo too, it's not just a Romeo thing. Like, get off my legs.

Get off.

Yeah, literally my legs. Get off. And I wish you a hearty mazel tov.

Do you see that comment I sent you? Yeah. I got to the mic, I didn't have a pen. Pen and paper. Ah, ah, ah, that was funny.

Wishing everyone a hearty mazal tov. Like, it's insane. And look, so much mazal you have in your life, like, all because of the one wish you made for me. I'm a powerful— I was a powerful young girl. Your wish for me, and look, come to fruition. Poopoo.

It's beautiful. Now it is Thursday, so I think we've thoroughly, like, combated the allegations.

Of PFFB, yes, yes.

Of the shortening of the PFFB?

We would never, we would never just like hide from you.

We would never. It's my personal favorite part of the show. What's your favorite part of the show?

That's an amazing question. It's not really like a part, it's like when sometimes I enter like a flow state, you know, where I just can't be stopped. Okay. And that's my favorite part.

And when do you feel that happens?

The magic of Turdy is that like it can happen anytime, anywhere.

Do you find like more so that it happens during the stories or the PFF?

I think maybe the stories. Interesting, because it's like I enter a flow state when I can just like make fun of people, and that's what I do in the fun— in the stories.

So fun, so fun. Um, okay, let's get into the Fast Five stories that you need to know.

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I know, I know. Well, you could have said Ben.

Oh no, Foo.

Like, right, right, right, right.

Foo is my best friend.

It's true.

Such a good listener. Probably like my favorite person to talk to, just because like the lack of, you know, I don't, I don't have to interrupt him because he doesn't really say anything.

So that's who you would take on the outside in sweepstakes?

Absolutely, absolutely. What is the vibe for the stories today?

Let's find out.

Jackie's iPad's charging.

Okay, now that it's charged, the vibe for the stories today is sort of all over the place, but with like a little bit of fear because I've just been seeing like people yelling at me like about the stories. And it's so funny because like, always they'll be like, why don't you talk about Tony Romo's DUI?

And oh wait, actually, can we?

We sure can. But then I feel like if I talked about it, people would be like, what are these stories?

If you brought it up, I would have been like, question mark. Except that the, the body cam footage has gone viral. So he definitely was drunk, which is of course like so bad. But I guess like the cop broke a lot of protocols. Like you can— I get maybe it's like state dependent, but you can decline a field sobriety test. And he like didn't know what to do, so he's like, can I call my lawyer? And they didn't let him. And I think that's illegal. So I do think while he definitely drove drunk, I think that it will get thrown out. The guy like broke a lot of rules. Oh, it's all on camera.

I thought you were gonna say like in the other way, like making special treatment for Tony.

No, no, no. And I don't think that the guy knew who Tony Romo was at all. I'm like, Tony just kept laughing because they were like, have you ever had any head injuries? They like ask you that when you do the field sobriety test. And he was like cracking up because he's like a football player, like probably with CTE.

He was looking forward to cracking up.

Yeah, yeah. Um, it actually was like a— as far as like celebrity body cam footages go, obviously, you know, the the number one reigning queen is Reese Witherspoon. Um, this was a pretty good one for Tony. Yeah, the thing is, like, I actually really weirdly like Tony Romo a lot. Of course Jessica Simpson has a lot to do with it. Um, and you know me and my, like, hard line in the sand with the DUI, so this won't be as easy as, like, Sam Hunt, Bella Hadid, in terms of, like, cutting them off for my life completely, right?

Right, right. Karen. It's a Karen Huger situation.

It's a Karen Huger situation. Like, I think Tony Romo is so handsome. And I love what he did with Jessica Simpson during their time together. And I think he has like a really cute wife and kids. It's like, it's actually— I'm sorry, it's insane to drive drunk when you have kids. I'm sorry, like, it's always insane.

It's insane to drive drunk sometimes.

Like, explain it away like she was young or whatever. Like, you literally have like multiple children at home. Like, that's insane. And you're so wealthy, and like, you're in an urban area, you're in like Dallas, take an Uber. Yeah, I'm sorry, it's like, this is bad.

Yeah, so that's what like people are saying. So today's stories are, yeah, sort of all over the place.

I'm sure people will complain. That's fine, complaining is engagement, so feel free to air your grievances in the comment section.

And they're in like no particular order, I will say, because I'm like even trying to find like what's the lead story, and there's not like a—

I mean, if you have it, I would say the lead story is that two couples from Love Island went on Watch What Happens Live last night.

Who?

Is that weird? It was Bryce and Trinity, which I genuinely think like would have been enough, but I think Andy like doesn't really watch the show, and they needed more people. And then of course, like industry plants, Karlyn and I were there. They were sitting on the bar stools behind Brinity and Trice. Okay, I cannot say their names. Trinity and Bryce.

Oh, I see.

We're sitting so far apart, it was like legit so weird. Um, there are a couple of weird moments and interesting moments, but all in all, I thought it was like actually rude that Trinity and Bryce like didn't get their moment. Like, they're the winners, you go on a press tour. Like, Karla and I are 3 minutes old. Like, if I'm Trinity, I'm annoyed.

Yeah, I won. Also, this is just like kind of weird because there's a reunion coming, so they've all been like very, um, quiet in terms of podcasts.

Like, I feel like everyone always goes on. We had Kenzie on Call Her Daddy and that was it, not even anyone else on Call Her Daddy. And none of the other people— I feel like it has to do with that new Peacock contract that we talked about.

No, but then why was Kenzie allowed on?

Because like they don't want to stifle everyone so much that no one's talking about it, you know? I think that they're also waiting for—

I think this, this only helps the reunion, and then after the reunion everyone goes on podcast.

There's like less of an embargo on the Vile Files because like seriously, Brittany on Vile Files when? Like this is their bread and butter.

Brittany on Call Her Daddy. Yeah, well Well, our story was also gonna be Nara Smith went on Call Her Daddy.

Yes, she did. It was like very jarring to hear her talking voice.

I know, 'cause it's like she's very much a performer on her Instagram, as like you would probably know, you know?

Yeah, I think that she, a lot of people, I didn't know this, but I don't think a lot of people understand her shtick and that it is shtick.

It's like satire.

And so she literally went on the podcast to like set the record straight.

Yeah, that it is satire, which of course it is. She's like, I was feeling hungry, so I just made a whipped up.

Made gum from scratch.

And then 4 hours later it was ready. Like, of course, you're hungry.

No, and you're wearing like a $10,000 Schiaparelli dress.

You're like, you can't wait 4 hours.

No, of course I— that's where we're always saying like media literacy is at an all-time low in this country.

And it's also like her content is very much like cooking videos, that it's like creating content, but it's not like her lifestyle day to day.

It's not—

she said too, like, so you can't— just because she's in the kitchen making cooking content, like you can't label her a tradwife. You don't know how she spends the rest of her day, right?

And I think at first when she first launched on the scene and people didn't really get her, myself included, she was labeled a tradwife. But if you paid attention for 5 more minutes, I don't consider her a tradwife at all. And she pretty much went on Call Her Daddy to tell people that, like, she does not want to be looped into this conversation.

Yeah, so she's getting candid about being labeled a tradwife and what people get wrong about her. Um, she opened up about, um, crying to her husband about a situation where someone on her team refused to see her as anything other than a tradwife. She said, I'd be like, what is happening? Did they not know that I worked as a model? I've been working since I've been 14. Um, all these things. But I think I'm very, very compassionate. I understand where that can come from. But then the more the narrative started swelling, I was like, well, let me say something. So I remember posting this video of this morning routine, and my voiceover was me being a working mom and traveling and kind of debunking all of that. But then a lot of the comments were still that narrative, and I realized that a lot of people that are very stuck in this narrative do not want to be corrected.

True. Yeah, I don't really like know what she is because her videos like are low-key comedy.

I would say she's really a content creator.

Well, yeah, no, but I mean like what genre of content creation? Like, she's not a tradwife, she's not really like giving cooking tips.

I would say cooking. She has a cookbook coming out.

Yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

Um, and she is giving cooking tips, like if you want to learn—

it's not realistic, it's very— it's like hard to— a practical application of policy.

Yeah, but it's very like— she's creating videos that are like siloed. She's not— she doesn't have a stream of stories every day, like come along with me for the day. Like, she's very much not Ballerina Farm.

No, not at all. She's just friends with Ballerina Farm, which I made people like gave her the tradwife association even more.

I would say also like being so young and having a lot of children, like I think people might have used that as another reason to just assume she's a tradwife. But like I think she like makes her cooking video and then like lays by the pool and orders McDonald's.

Like yes, she's also Mormon, which I think also gives like a tradwife smell. Yeah, but she's not. Like if you really like think about her life at a glance she's not.

Yeah. And then I think even hearing her talk on this interview, even if you just saw the clips and you didn't like watch the whole episode, like it's her real self.

Yeah, her voice is so different.

Yeah, she doesn't talk like that.

She's like a normal voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she was wearing like jeans and a sweater.

Yeah, not, you know, high fashion.

Correct. Couture in the kitchen. Um, yeah.

So I didn't know she was feeling so misunderstood.

I felt like, yeah, she kind of has like a dream career where it's actually like it almost benefits her to misunderstood in the sense that, first of all, it gives her like a real sense of like private and public life, which is huge. And two, like, she does benefit— she doesn't want to be called a tradwife. Like, that's the topic of the moment, and you're— everyone's talking about you. Like, it's just, as somebody whose job it is to like get attention and stuff, it does ultimately benefit her.

Yeah. And it just seems like everyone who's called a tradwife is saying, I'm not a tradwife. It's so true.

So who is—

who are the tradwives? Where are the proud tradwives?

Well, the thing is, like, if you're a tradwife wife whose name we know. You're not a tradwife because you're a working woman and you're generating revenue, probably making more money than your husband. Um, so the tradwives, like the true tradwives, are no names. It's true, they're your neighbor, you know.

Yeah, and that's just like stay-at-home moms.

Yeah, people who like raise children, traditional gender roles. Yeah, stay-at-home moms. I think that tradwife like is a little bit more extreme in the sense that they make everything from scratch and like they do, you know, granola type, have chickens.

Yeah, but like you said, like, it's a bad thing.

No, no, no. Technically, I guess anyone who is a traditional wife and like makes dinner for their husband every night and raises the kids and doesn't work and doesn't work, um, we would not know who they are.

Correct.

That's true. So essentially, like, nobody's a tradwife, right?

Nobody's a tradwife in this conversation that we're having, right? Yeah, it's just like, it's so weird. People get so like bogged down by the label of tradwife and then they're like, I'm not— it's like influencer, I'm not an influencer. Like, what's wrong with being an influencer? What's wrong with being a tradwife?

That's exactly what I was saying yesterday, that like these female-dominated spaces are just like always getting negative connotations. Like tradwife has a negative— like, I'm sorry, nobody wants to hear me, but like I am right about that.

Yeah.

Um, also I personally like— I'm over the tradwife conversation.

I just feel like it's not a coherent conversation.

We're not here—

no one knows what they're saying, and it's so divisive amongst women.

Like we're just like hating people who like live different lives than us and make different choices, and I don't think it's good for us. I don't—

I really don't. I'm not a hater.

No, me neither. Like, you want a girl boss to the sun, slay mama slay, send me a paycheck. If you want to do like legit nothing all day, like slay mama slay. I don't know, have you heard about Ahava Eva?

Oh, I have. But wait, but you're saying legit nothing again wrong.

Sorry, no, no, but I'm saying even if you like— let's say like—

no, I'm sorry, if you want to do legit nothing all day, I have a problem with that.

Okay, fine. No, you're right. No, you're so right. Not me like exposing my own misogyny by saying doing nothing all day. That's not what I fucking meant. If you want to not work and raise children, cook, tend to your husband, like, I—

homemake—

I have seriously no problem with that, like, zero.

And, you know, some would argue it's harder than a 9-to-5.

Oh, 1000%. Like, I, I feel like I don't even know what to call myself because I'm very much like a stay-at-home working mom. Like, I do genuinely half and half, um, and I don't know which I would prefer to— like, I think I prefer to be home all day. If you had to choose one, I would prefer to be home all day, but let me tell you, it's like It's so hard.

Yeah, it is so hard.

Um, you know about a Haba Diva? Has she made it to reels?

She has. My heart's rage bait now.

It is.

What did it start out?

It was just genuine. She's like this 19-year-old girl, she's married, and she was like, hi, I'm 19, I don't have a degree, I don't have a job, I cook for my husband. They don't have kids. She's like, I cook for my husband. And her whole life is like her husband, her husband, her husband. And the video— she was a very small content creator. The video went so viral. Of course, like, it started you know, conversations amongst everyone. Like, she went private. She's super young. I started to feel like really bad for her, and she just like kind of shut down. And then she came back like a week later, and I was so curious like what her strategy was going to be. And she has taken on this like very much rage baiting, um, she does live this lifestyle and like people think it's crazy, but now all of her videos are like, come with me to lick my husband's ass. Like, she's really extreme, um, just to piss people off. And it's funny now, but like But it is an outsized version of her reality. Like, she is 19, she doesn't work, she just sort of like literally cooks, like cooks for her husband all day and like dresses her husband.

It's like, my husband, my husband, my husband. Um, and of course, like, you could argue both sides, like it's crazy or it's like sweet. Like, it's just—

I'll say, I see— I think I saw the original video.

I did the original video.

I've not been able to get through a whole video. I don't enjoy the content.

Me neither.

Like, I just— I saw one of her like making sourdough and like rage baiting about like some shit.

Yeah.

And I was like, this isn't like enjoyable for No, me neither.

But it was like the perfect time for her video to go viral because everyone was like talking about Yesteryear. And it's like, I'm personally so over this conversation. Like, we're just obsessed with what other women do.

And also, like, I, I want to see like a real, you know, people— like, I don't want to see your fake, like, oh, I'm making this like big stupid cake because my husband said he wanted this. Like, I just like, I want to see people like doing like, you know, making life beautiful. And it's not taking them all day, like in the, in the in-between, you know what I mean? Like that's what we're all trying to do. We're all busy, we either work or have kids, and it's like, but you still want to make dinner. So like I'm interested in really— you want to make your home beautiful. Like I want to see people who can accomplish not everything but like most of everything, you know? And that's very aspirational, inspiring. Yeah, you know?

Yeah, I'm just like so over this conversation. Like it's tired to me at this point. It's like when people were like, I hate the word moist. It's like, I tried— I can't— it's like it's actually becoming like boring conversation to me.

I agree. And it's also like it's not actually—

like, it's not good for women.

No, but it's what everyone is saying is does not make sense because none of these people are tradwives.

And correct.

And if they were, like, I wish you a hearty mazeltov.

Extremely hearty.

Are you ready for our next story? Some memoir news.

Angela R.

White, for the artist formerly known as Blac Chyna, is announcing her new memoirs. It's called Sober Mind. Letting Go of Blac Chyna and Living My Faith.

I love this. First of all, I had literally forgotten about Blac Chyna, which is just a testament to how well she's doing. Her journey is so inspiring. Like, I actually think that this book will change lives. I would love to learn like how she did it. Like, she really, um, turned her life around completely. It's very rare to see people like truly change in the public eye like so wholly, and she did that. And I think that of course there'll be interesting tidbits in there about the Kardashians and like like, you know, I think that while she was struggling a lot, they did pick up a lot of the responsibilities when it came to Dream. And I think now, even though like the whole lawsuit thing like is awkward, um, I, I am curious like what her feeling about them is because like they did support her. Like maybe not in ways that she thought at the time, but like now in hindsight when she couldn't really be there. Yeah, they did do a lot.

My only like concern with the book is like it sounds a little like it's a little bit more like self-helpy and less like memoir, right?

Like, this is what happened to me.

So this, it says like, for years people knew me for headlines, opinions, and assumptions, but now they'll have the opportunity to hear directly from my heart. Sober Mind is not just a story about where I've been, it's about who God, who God helped me become. There were times I felt broken, lost, ashamed, and I would never get another chance. I know what it feels like to have people judge you for your worst moments while never seeing your This book is proof that no matter how far you fall, healing is possible.

No, I mean, I love— but you're right, like, hopefully it's like pulling from her own experience.

Yeah, but regardless, like, I think, I think she will have to tell her whole story in order to like get to the part of like the healing and the faith. So we'll get those years like from her POV.

I'm curious what the status is of like their relationship, the co-parenting with Rob. I feel like you could tell for a while that Dream was like always with the Kardashians just because they share so much. And like literally every picture, every sleepover, Khloé's house, Khloé's this.

Um, and it doesn't appear to be that way so much anymore. Anything for her kids, like she does it for Dream. Yeah, like if she's getting something, like, I don't know, it's always three of them. It says if she has three.

Yeah, it is. And then when she had her necklace, like she had like, yeah, T for True Tatum, and she had a D for Dream, and she got a lot of shit for that. But like, at the time, I think she really was like taking on so much of the parenting.

No one's saying Dream is always in her house, and like she's wearing a necklace with the two kids, like it's for Dream. It's not— and it's like, sure, maybe people will have something to say about it, but like I think Khloé only cares what Dream thinks about it.

Yeah, um, I don't know if it doesn't appear to be like that extreme anymore. I know they do include Dream and stuff and like cousin stuff, of course, but it doesn't look like she's like living at Khloé's house.

Would we even know? Because like, when we don't follow them like as close— like, Khloé doesn't share so much on social media.

She still shares a lot like about the kids too.

And we haven't had a new season in a while. Had a new season, so I don't really know.

I'm just like, hope that, you know.

And I just feel like the last time I saw Khloé do something, I like remember thinking like, oh, it's 3, right?

No, it was 3 for a while. Yeah, I guess we'll find out in the memoirs.

But this sounds really good. You know what I heard? I need to look this up, that Madison Beer has a memoir.

Coming out or already out?

Already out.

I think we should read it.

I actually like want—

Memoirs of a Beer—

to just confirm that.

That is what I mean when I say like the strangest career of all time.

Well, you know, Miley Cyrus also has Miles to Go.

I feel like it's like a Miles to Go sort of vibe, like a young adult—

no, no, that's coming-of-age story. It's her story, but it's like very short, like, right? You know, Madison Beer, the half It, a memoir. Oh, it looks moody. 4.16 on Goodreads, that's really good.

Read me the synopsis.

I will. It came out in 2023, so like relatively relevant. A memoir from singer-songwriter Madison Beer chronicling the past decade of her life spent in the spotlight, the ups, the downs, and the in-betweens that you won't see on social media. Discovered at 12 years old, Madison Beer was one of the first artists to have her entire life documented online. Over the past decade, she has navigated the spotlight as a child, through her teenage years, and now as a young woman in her 20s. In the half of it, Madison pulls back the curtain to show the behind the scenes of her journey from reckoning with mass hate online and the time her private pictures were leaked to battling suicidal thoughts while making her highly acclaimed debut album Life Support and her recovery since then. I kind of want to read it.

Yeah, she does.

It's a crazy story, 176 pages, very reasonable. So could you— you should—

I'm okay.

You like love her?

I do, and I feel like I, I know—

no, I feel like there's like a— I saw a clip of her talking on a podcast about like when her label dropped her and everyone, and her— everyone dropped her.

Like, was that her? Would she been on Call Her Daddy?

Why did everyone drop her?

That's what I mean. I think she was like low-key blackballed because of like the whole Justin Bieber Scooter Braun thing. That's just like—

no, but it sounded like she was canceled. Like in a day everyone dropped her. So that's a cancellation, not just like a we are slowly disassociating from you.

Perhaps it had something to do with like— she did have, when she was super young, like had like nude photos leaked.

Yeah, maybe.

Like now you would never drop a young girl for having like her privacy invaded, but back in the day it was like you're a Yeah, maybe I kind of want to read it. Do it!

I think I will, but I also have to read the next one.

I was watching Josh Herbert. What's his name?

Oh my gosh, this is what I wanted to say. I finished Off Campus.

Oh my God, leading story!

That's what I meant to share with the class. And what a show, what a show. I seriously was crying during the pop showcase. I know, like, it was so good. The show was so amazing. I don't know what's wrong with the world that it was like so represented in terms of like, are you watching off campus? I have to watch in private. Like, yeah, there's really like nothing that crazy about it. A lot of heart considering how much nudity and pornography we're accustomed to, are accustomed to. Like, this was really not anything different. Um, so much heart. Like, I love so many characters, and I really like— I wasn't loving Allie in the beginning of the show, and I was like, I will definitely be missing next season, season 2. By the end, like, did you love Dean and Dean? I love Dean. Allie and Dean are everything to me. Agreed. This Hunter Davenport wrench is just so crazy. I know. Um, and then Hannah and Garrett, like, I'm so happy for them. I really needed them to like stop being broken up. Like, that was nice.

It was like very painful to watch him be broken up.

It was. The only thing I didn't love was like their reunion scene after the pop showcase. Like, I didn't like what he was saying. Like, I don't remember. He was just saying like— it was actually kind of icky because he was like, because her song was like, the girl I am today, right, it's not who I was because of the girl I used to be. So it's all about like the girl she is. And he like, the girl that you are. Like, I want to be more like the girl that you are. And like, I was like, you want to be a girl?

Cracking up that you noticed that. I guess, yeah, that is like a weird thing to say.

I was just waiting for him to be like, I love you. Like, I need to be with you. Yeah, I love you. That's all I need.

Yeah, not like, I want to be like that girl.

I want to be like you.

Ew. I guess. Don't be like that. Be your own. I was just like, so excited to see them together.

Like, I wasn't even listening. I was— no, because I just like needed them to say like the obvious, which like, I love you so much, like, I only want to be with you, not like, I want to be a girl.

I'm seriously cracking up. I'm so glad you like the show, like, seriously.

I truly loved it. I think there's something wrong with everyone in my life that there was like a huge conversation like, would she like it?

You are seriously like impossible to predict. Like, you—

I love that for me.

Can't put you in a box. Like, don't blame us, okay? Don't. Don't.

Um, okay, you know what? I like being impossible to predict. You can't put me in a box. I would agree with that. Great. But of course I loved the show. It had so much heart and soul, and it was just— it was gripping stuff. It was like gripping stuff.

And like, Garrett Graham, like, you get it.

I do. But for me, the show, it was like— my takeaway from the show wasn't like, Garrett Graham, Garrett Graham, Garrett Graham.

Oh my goodness.

My takeaway from the show is like love and hockey.

Love wins. Yeah.

And healing, of course. There's a lot of healing that needed to be done that she did at the Pop Showcase. I'm glad she didn't win the Pop Showcase because like then it would have been too unrealistic. Um, but her song was also—

you can't win a competition you entered 5 minutes before.

Like, yeah, her song was really good. Um, when she like was doing her Pop Showcase and— which was so Raise Your Voice, by the way.

Yes, yes.

And she like looked out and she saw all of them like sitting in the front row, like not just Garrett, but like she has all these friends now. She had like 2 friends and she was just like loser. Yeah, yeah. And it just was— and like Jules is friend. And like, it was just this testament to like the girl she is today is because of the girl she used to be.

A thousand percent.

It was so beautiful.

Oh, I love— I'm so glad to hear that.

So that was my only note, like the reunion scene didn't give what it needed to. That's fair. Um, looking forward to season 2.

Of course.

I'm sat for it.

Won't miss it for the world.

And I love Dean.

Me too.

I really do.

Me too. De Laurentiis.

Dean De Laurentiis. And Bo, his friend, is apparently a football player. Bo Maxwell.

In real life?

No, no, like in the show. That's why he's not on the hockey team.

Oh, he might be from like in universe, like another franchise where the woman who wrote the book has like a, a bunch of football books. Do you know what I mean?

Got it. Well, Dean's friend Bo, Joanna's brother, like he's not a hockey player.

God, I didn't get the sense that he was. I thought he was like a random, but the fact that he's football makes me think that there's another series coming about the football players.

Okay. And then also like, I can't get over the injustice that they lost all the games that they played all season. And confusion because Garrett's suspended for 4 games and he's ineligible for all all the games that he played earlier in the season, but after these 4 games he can play again? Yeah, but, but he—

that was like, did the practice with the Bruins. That's him getting off like Scott Ferray.

No, but he did the practice with the Bruins. Like, if they said he's not eligible to be a college hockey player because he did the practice with the Bruins, why can he play again in 4 games?

I don't know.

So I'll have to talk to you. I'm sorry about that.

Yes, please do.

Um, so yeah.

I'm so glad.

Those are my thoughts. Are you ready for our next story? Which, seriously, like, I didn't know this was happening, but I needed to know.

What?

Jacob Tremblay—

oh, of course, Unabomber—

playing the Unabomber Ted Kaczynski in first look at troubling new Netflix film. So Ted Kaczynski is the Unabomber, and he will be played by Jacob Tremblay. He'll be starring as the infamous domestic terrorist who coordinated and carried out a series of mail bombings that persisted for nearly 2 decades in Netflix's forthcoming film out this September.

Now you guys might be wondering like why this is a big deal, and if you don't know who Jacob Tremblay is, he's the little boy from Room and the little boy who literally stole the hearts of Americans many years ago. He's continued to work in a couple of capacities, but I think he's maintained like a pretty decent childhood. He did Wonder, but like a couple of movies.

He doesn't— no, he does a lot of movies, but like he's a kid, so he's like also—

he's not a celebrity, right? But this, I think this is like his foray into adulthood. This is the role of a lifetime.

Yeah, because the movie— this movie zeros in on his early years, including his time as a student under controversial Harvard professor Marie Marie. So the Unabomber went to Harvard, and I think there was like a bunch of like really like twisted experiments conducted at that time at Harvard, which is like a lot of people don't know about that time. So it like focuses on what happened there, the Unabomber included, but like it was just a like a crazy thing that happened. Um, but I, I'm a little fearful because I'm reading like the description, um that it's like sympathetic towards the Unabomber, you know?

I'm kind of afraid to bring this up, but like, are you familiar with what's going on with Lindsay Clancy?

I, I see headlines from the New York Post.

It's like really upsetting. So she's this woman on trial because she killed her 3 kids, like confirmed. It's not like a— yeah, um, so obviously like guilty. But when you learn about like what— I know it's like not me giving sympathy to like the woman who killed her kids, but like what she went through. Like she experienced something called postpartum psychosis, and she went to like 100 doctors like overprescribed her. She was on like so many antidepressants. She literally went to her doctor, said, I'm hallucinating, I don't know what's real. And like all these doctors like genuinely failed her to the point where like she was in psychosis and she killed her 3 kids. Like, so I feel— I don't even know how to feel about it because it's like when you hear about what her experience was up until that point, you're like, well, like nobody helped her. And like her husband's on trial and it's like, where were you? Like, and but then she also like killed her 3 kids. So it's like, where do we go from here? I don't know. I know.

That's crazy.

It's a really crazy story.

Yeah.

That's, I don't know what's gonna happen. Like, she did kill them.

Yeah.

But there is this like insanely lengthy medical record of her like seriously like not being okay for an extremely long time.

Yeah, and sometimes like when people, even if they kill, like they're like mentally unfit.

Right, so it's like, do you get off for that? I don't know, I don't know what's gonna happen.

That's really sad.

It's really crazy. I don't really like wanna get so into it 'cause it's like very upsetting.

Yeah, it says here like the movie is the tale of a young man who feels increasingly disenfranchised by society and decides to take up violence as a means of revenge.

Oh, so it's giving like Unabomber origin story.

Yeah, like feeling bad for him.

How many people did he kill? Like hundreds?

Dozens, I think. Um, it's told across two timelines, the creation and then the capture of him.

You know, like Unabomber is this sort of blind spot for me, even though you did recently explain to me like who he was, and so I know a little bit more. But maybe this Jacob Tremblay movie is like what I need. Um, also I am going to watch, because also another blind spot for me is the Idaho murder but apparently Netflix just released an amazing documentary about it, so I think I'm gonna watch that. Yeah, that's because the trials are happening or coming up.

Um, Brian Kohlberger— I thought the trial's over.

Oh, is it?

Yeah.

All right, so I guess I'll find out in the documentary.

Yeah, what happened. Yeah. Um, Tremblay said it felt crucial for him to paint Kaczynski as a real person. Ugh, Jacob, not even—

yeah, Unabomber sympathizer.

I wanted him to feel real. I drew from my— I guess, yes, you're playing a human being, you want them to feel real, but like, I don't know know, it's giving a little bit too much, like, pass for the Unabomber. And you know that the Unabomber is like sort of like becoming like a, a heroic figure.

Oh God, like Saddam Hussein.

Okay, so we're— we'll be watching the Unabomber. Yeah, toast movie of the week.

Yeah.

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Okay, thank you, Turd 5.

You're welcome.

Our next story: Ben Affleck won the elusive $1 million prize on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.

What?

Would you have gotten the winning question?

Okay, let's see. I'm so bad at trivia, especially when they give options. Like, it almost makes it harder.

Ben Affleck and Jeopardy champion Jamie Ding won the elusive $1 million prize on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire on Wednesday night's episode of the hit game show. They answered the—

I did not know the show was still on, but let me tell you, I have like such a warm and fuzzy feeling about the show.

It's like so nostalgic, so nostalgic. Magic, and it's like very straightforward, like, who wants to be a millionaire? Like, yes, please. Yeah, what are the questions? Um, they answered the 15th and final question correctly to take home the grand prize, which will go to Ben's foundation, the Eastern Congo Initiative. Oh, that's nice. So the episode began with them only having 2 questions left. First was the $500,000 question, which was: what achievement occurred just 2 months after a New York Times article said it wouldn't happen for 1 million to 10 million years?

Okay.

These are your choices: the first airplane flight, splitting the atom, cloning a mammal, and the polio vaccine.

Okay, the New York Times is wrong. Nothing like putting them on blast. But what would the New York Times historically be wrong about?

Like, everything? Read it again, the last four. The first airplane flight?

No, I feel like that's not the answer.

Splitting the atom.

Like, I don't know when the atom was split, but like, was the New York Times up and running then? I feel like no.

What is splitting the atom?

I don't know. I know it's like a huge medical— I mean, scientific advancement.

Cloning a mammal. Can we do that still? I guess.

Okay, what was the fourth one?

Polio vaccine.

No, I don't think they would have said like a million years away. I guess like maybe splitting the atom. But what was the third one?

Cloning a mammal.

Okay, I'm gonna go like B or C. I really don't know, this is hard.

So I'll tell you how it went down. They initially thought it was the first airplane flight, both of them. Uh, he, uh, Ben said, I only remember this because it was a time in my life where I spent time looking up examples that the press got things wrong. Yeah, just randomly. And I sort of vaguely in my subconscious remember the times and the Wright brothers and that whole thing was like 1905. Oh, 3 or 4 or something. Um, then they phoned a friend, or they decided to use the 50/50 lifeline to eliminate two answers.

Oh my God.

Leaving them to choose from splitting the atom and the first airplane.

Oh, so A and B.

A and B. And the correct answer, which they got correct, was the first airplane.

Oh my God. Okay, obviously I got that wrong.

Like, then the million-dollar question.

Okay, so I would have been out, but continue.

In an annual Thanksgiving tradition All but which of these have been the names of turkeys pardoned by a US president?

Okay, I'm never gonna get this.

Who would ever know this? Peanut Butter and Jelly, Tater and Tot.

Are there two turkeys? Why are they all 'and' turkeys?

I guess they pardoned two turkeys. Okay, Tater and Tot, Mac and Cheese, and Spaghetti and Meatball.

Okay, read them again.

Peanut butter and jelly, tater and tot, mac and cheese, spaghetti and meatball.

So I was thinking like, obviously something that could be Thanksgiving food, which is tater and tot, right?

You could have— I would say actually tater and tot are the only ones that are like, there's not already an 'and' in tater tot. There's mac and cheese, spaghetti meatball. Peanut butter and jelly. Oh, I was trying to—

things on your Thanksgiving table could be tater tot. What was the second, third one? Mac and cheese.

Peanut butter and jelly.

Yeah, not peanut butter and jelly, but also not—

what was it? Meatball. But you couldn't make spaghetti meatball from turkey, or so— is that rude to name them that? Does that—

is that rubbing it in?

Yeah, because that's the only meat product.

Oh, that's good. Let's go with that.

Spaghetti meatball, final answer.

Even though I hate a turkey meatball.

I am gonna go with—

that's really good.

That's an outlier. Yeah, but so is Tater and Tot.

But although I don't think that there's a rhyme or a reason, I think that like 3 of them just were and one of them wasn't, you know what I mean?

If I had turkeys, like, I might want to name them Tater and Tot.

I think those are so cute.

Okay, I like our reasoning for spaghetti meatball. Let's go spaghetti and meatball. They phoned a friend, LOL. Oh, but Ding's friend didn't answer in time. Oh my God, they took Kimmel's advice and chose spaghetti and meatball, winning a million dollars.

Oh, we were right!

We were right! Look at us, we should go on!

Oh my God. I, there are a couple of game shows like I might do good at. Obviously Family Feud, I would do good at. I know that I would. Um, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? The questions are so hard. I almost, anytime I've ever watched, I've like never even gotten one right.

No, but it's like the early questions are supposed to be easier. So I would love to know what those questions were cuz like these two, honestly, I have no clue.

I would do good. I would do like decent at Jeopardy. Like when I watch from home, I get a couple, like I, I'm not gonna win by any means. I'm not gonna embarrass myself. Um, Um, Family Feud, of course. Wheel of Fortune, slay.

I don't think I would do good at Family Feud. I'm really not in step with like what—

with culture.

You are not in step with culture, you know? Like, that just wouldn't be what the survey says.

1,000%. Survey says, eh. Yeah, every time Jackie's on, I would be like the first person. Do you know what I mean? Like, they go like— they always have like the dad like at the front, or a parent. Yeah, I just feel like that's the strongest player. I would be up there. You would be good too.

Strongest. I watch a lot, so Uh, no, I want to like be responsible for my own self, not like what other freaks are thinking.

Yeah, that's true.

You can only be responsible for what you put out into this world, you know? So I just feel like I don't want to work with others.

I love that it still makes news when someone gets all the questions right. Like, it doesn't happen a lot.

Well, now it's like celebrity also.

Yeah. Who remembers the game show The Wall? So good.

You do.

I talk about it all the time. It's literally one of the best shows I've ever seen in my whole life.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story? I am. Miley Cyrus reveals that she's working on a new album that's a love story, and I, I believe that the reveal also shows that she got her fixed. Um, did she say that?

No, but like, I saw like footage from this.

I didn't know there was a problem.

Well, she— I think a lot of people started having the conversation about veneers about Miley Cyrus. Like, she had her snaggletooth, which I loved, but of course she wanted to fix it, and she ended up like getting these huge veneers that like didn't even fit in her mouth. And it was like kind of like people were talking about it a lot. It appears that she got them fixed.

Oh, okay. Well, she revealed that she's working on a new album that's a love story while speaking with actress Daryl Hannah for Wonder Girls.

Of course, the actress Daryl Hannah from Love Story.

This album is a love story, but love stories are never one-dimensional.

Oh, they're always saying love story like in front of Daryl Hannah. That's fucking rude, because you know Daryl Hannah wrote a piece in the New York Times about how mad she was at Ryan Murphy for making her look like the biggest loser ever in that show.

They're always layered. There's definitely a romantic thread weaving through it all, because like all of my records, it's a reflection of where I am in my life, she said. The upcoming album feels especially meaningful because this feeling has stayed with me throughout multiple eras. That's something I hadn't really experienced before. A peaceful kind of love has become a theme across my last 3 records. Yeah, she's been with her man, Max Morando.

True, for a really long—

for a very long time.

And she don't talk about it because he's like not famous.

They're not like interested by it, right? But this is clearly like it for her.

Amazing. Like, I love that, especially with a rando. Like, that's good.

Yeah, huge. I'm excited to hear new music from Miley.

Me too. Like, it appears she's also like going back to her rock era, just based on like the looks.

Where did— where was she last we saw her? Something—

Flower.

Yeah, like, that's like 2 albums ago. Flowers.

Something Beautiful really came and went.

Yeah, that was like more like visual.

It was a visual album. Yeah, right, exactly. So I don't really know. I didn't catch the visuals, so I don't know what the vibe was.

I think I nailed it.

Yeah.

Um, so I would love a Love Story album, even though I feel like that's what Taylor is— should— is doing next. True, but like Taylor's next album should be called Love Story, like, because like that's like her origin song. It's like one of Travis's favorites.

It's like come up in their relationship, it's come like the anthem of their wedding.

Yeah, Love Story.

Or yeah, or we could get like a Love Story sequel song, you know, it's like the sister song to Love Story.

That's so cute.

Yeah, the older sister song. He's back at camp, so like they're back in the real world. I don't know if they went on like an official honeymoon or anything, but I saw this morning he was photographed. I saw at training camp, so like the honeymoon is over, back to work.

That's good. They've had like a nice chunk of time, but like, you know, idleness is the devil's workshop.

So true. Like, you need to miss your man.

Yeah, you need a working man.

Oh, you need a man with a job. That's actually like just a non-negotiable for women everywhere.

Yeah. So, so that's good news. And maybe she like finally has some time to herself. She can go through her pics, like make a carousel, right?

Uh, perhaps upload to the Instagram.

Perhaps upload to the gram.

Just although at this point I've just sort of come to terms with us not getting anything. 'That way I can only be—' Ever? Yeah.

I think that would be wrong.

I agree, but if I think that, then I can only be surprised in a positive way. I can't be let down.

I think she owes it to the fans. Like, I think she does too. The whole world has been rooting for this. We've been—

also, there was a time where like she like demanded so much respect for her private life, and we all really did. Like, we let— we understood she couldn't walk the red carpet with you. Like, we all just sort of understood these rules. But obviously when she married someone who was like not so miserable, she realized like she'd need to have all those rules. And so it's like, yeah, let us in now. We respect expected it at the time, but like now, like, it's fine.

Like, you had your wedding and you had your privacy and you've had weeks of it just being for you guys, but like you have millions of adoring fans who have just been like waiting for this and are so happy for you. And like, feed them. Us. Feed us. Yeah, feed us. I'm speaking in the third.

Yeah, of course. Um, well, those were the stories, and yes, I would agree that they were insanely all over the place, but I enjoyed everything.

But I feel like we covered a lot of ground. So if you're like gonna complain about—

yes, like, you didn't cover sports, we talked about Tony Romo. Oh, you didn't cover music, we talked about Miley Cyrus. Oh, you didn't cover art. We talked about Nara Aziz.

Like, if you look at just like the description of today's episode, like, you might have been like, what's going on at this show? But you don't realize, like, it's what's in between the lines. There's a method. No, no, and it's like in between every story we like added another story. It's true.

We probably did like 7 or 8 today. And that's beautiful. Well, thank you guys so much. Emoji, emoji, you choose. Okay, I'll choose the pen to paper emoji where you're writing something.

Why? I didn't have a pen. I got to the mic, I was like, oh, press record. Niche, niche reference from the episode.

Well, so you just have to make a decision, you know. Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast of the Morning Show. We deliver the fast stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe, give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcast anywhere podcasts can be found, so Spotify, TuneIn, Stitcher, Public Radio, iHeartRadio, CastBox, all the places where you listen to podcasts. Find us at Toasty B5. So I'll be a better people, stunning and wickedly talented we are. Hope you guys have an amazing day and we'll see you tomorrow for a beautiful day of celebration.

Love ya. Friday. Bye.