Transcript of Earle Meets Earle: Friday, July 31st, 2026

Good morning, girlies. It's The Toast.

It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts.

It's your favorite show, the fast 5 things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's The Toast.

I sound amazing.

Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Friday. That's right, pat yourself on the back. We did it. Ready for another swirly summer weekend. Hey Jax, how you doing?

I'm doing good. It's a beautiful day.

It actually is a beautiful day, both in spirit and in physicality, because it's gorgeous out. But we also— we did something quite beautiful and cathartic this morning, something very spiritual.

And I actually think our outfits sort of embody 1000% what we did this morning.

Very ethereal, very like freeing, born.

Yes, life.

The official releasing of the hostages was this morning. We got— gave the butterflies their freedom. We had like a beautiful little ceremony in the driveway. Zach made a speech that like legit almost brought me to tears. He was like— he was joking, but I was like, wait, that's so beautiful. He was like talking to the butterflies, like wishing them luck on their journey and letting them know like this is always their home. Oh my God, I literally got like choked up. That was so sweet. And it is one by one they flew the coop, and it was really— it was beautiful.

Yeah, it was. And our resident animal rights activist approved. Were you pleased?

I was.

Everything— did it— was it up to code.

I mean, we did lose one. We knew that there's been this like dead one, but it keeps like moving a little bit, so we didn't know if we should like throw it out or whatever. Um, it was the last to leave because it's dead, and then Zach just like sort of picked it up and like left it on a leaf. Yeah, it's like still moving a little bit, so we're just giving it space.

Yeah, give it space. Maybe it can heal itself. And I think that's really good is that we only had one casualty. Some people said they've done it and they've gotten no butterfly.

Sick.

Yeah, yeah, he's wounded. Yeah. He has a boo-boo.

Yes.

It was really amazing. I've linked it a couple times on my stories, but you should definitely do it. It's been like a great part of our summer. I said to Claudia, it really marks, I would say, the middle of Swirly Summer. And today is the last day of July. It's true. And we started this project at the beginning of summer and it really just marks this passage of time. And, and I think the passage of time has been significant.

It's kind of like visiting day at camp. Like you knew the summer was half over when your parents came to visit.

Yeah. And Zach said like he wanted to do it again because like the Shapiro's are coming and they would like it, but but I don't even know if we have enough time because it actually took 3+ weeks.

Genuinely sorry to the Shapiros, but like, you just had to be there. Like, you had to be there. We can't recreate it.

And you also like—

did you get—

you had to be there for them living on our dining table for the last few weeks.

Correct. I'm excited to get the dining room table back. Yeah, so much more space for activities.

Yes, me as well. Um, can't recommend enough. It was really beautiful, and I think it was completely animal friendly.

Like, I agree. No, all in all they ended up free. And I personally love to see animals being released from captivity. That is one of my jobs, like one of, one of the, the goals with my job. So I was thrilled to see that they almost all made it successfully, and it was beautiful, and the kids loved it. It was so sweet.

And we had like a very ethical and safe environment for them.

Uh, definitely ethical. Yeah, no one could accuse us of being otherwise.

So that was a really great way to start the day, I would say.

It was. And then this, um, so sort of message of freedom.

We continued with the party vibes. We drove together again.

We did, because we're filming a vlog after this, and I just feel like— film the vlog separately.

It means you love driving with me. We're having fun.

I have no complaints.

That's so sweet.

No complaints. And some days I just want to like cruise, and some days I just like to be a passenger princess.

We listen to new music, and I actually don't drive a lot.

Like, I've always been the sister who like drives because none of you guys learned how to drive till you were 30, and I did when I was 18 just because like Ben taught me. But I'm always being driven by Ben, so I actually don't even drive that much.

Yeah, we had like a nice time jammin' out.

It was lovely listening to new music Friday, new Kelly Clarkson music, "I'd Be Lion," new Ellie Goulding. New Ellie Goulding, "Four Seasons." I feel like Kelly Clarkson might have a boyfriend. Like, she is notorious for writing her own music, she even writes for others, so the last time we heard from her was her divorce album, and today she's like talking about like a guy she can't stop thinking about.

But then the last song she put out was about Meryl Streep and Martin Short, like "Where Have You Been?" Yeah, but so she told us that it was like she was seeking inspiration from others, this time. It's like the song just came out.

Like, I feel like she's self-referencing. I feel like she's self-referencing.

Okay, you could like feel the, the personal nature of the song.

Like, who, who are we shipping Kelly with these days? There's literally nobody on Earth good enough. You know who she needs? Like, not him, because obviously he's very happily married, but like the vibe of like Peter Hermann.

Yes, but I think she also like needs a commoner.

Like, yeah, with a group. What about like a commoner in the industry, even though that is what she had last time?

I think like a true commoner with like a very good job so that he's not like threatened by her like level of wealth. Yeah, a nerd.

Yeah, someone who cusses a little. Yeah, I like that.

That's what I think.

Um, what else did I want to tell you guys?

Oh, and then we're filming our vlog today with Miss Margot, so that's also why Margot came to town. We journeyed together. Yeah, we journey-fretted.

Um, I had something I wanted to say, I just, I can't remember. Oh, I tried to watch House of Sassy last night, I couldn't get into my Hulu. Um, so I will be watching it this weekend. Um, but I just want to say, like, I'm seeing a lot of positive response. Even someone here was saying that they watch and they're like, we're obsessed with Taylor. And it's like I've literally been trying to tell you guys this. I do feel that she will be the breakout star. Um, I just want like, I told you first, I told you so.

Yeah, we know.

Did you see that they had a Halloween party? The theme is like, so Stassi bubonic plague.

I saw.

And Taylor dressed up as Blake Lively and she was like, I know it's the bubonic theme plague, but Blake Lively's bubonic theme, bubonic plague of our time. Now even though I don't agree with that, it's a funny joke. She's going viral for that. I'm really excited for her. Like it's about time.

Yeah, I don't know if the owner is logged into Hulu. So if he—

the owner was not logged into Hulu, and you know we all use Zach Shapiro's Hulu. So it's just been like a very trying time.

If he's logged in, I can watch House of Sassy. If he's not logged in, I can't. I can only watch Amazon Prime.

I also don't know if like I'm really capable of— not to make everything about me, um, I just don't really know if I'm capable of giving like an accurate recap. One, because like I'm clearly so biased, and two, like I'm not willing to change those biases. Like, I know, love Taylor Strecker. Like, I will, I will never see any fault in anything she did. Agreed. And I loathe with my entire being Katie Maloney. And those two things are just like facts of life. They're not like open to changing, right? So like, yeah, I can watch and give a recap, but don't expect to hear anything besides that.

And like, what if objectively, even though I don't—

I couldn't see how it could happen, but like, what if like Katie Maloney's like making fire points against Taylor Strecker? She's definitely not, but like, what if? Yeah, it's just, I will never— I'm just— there are two different types of people in this world. You're either a Katie Maloney or a Turdy Lou. Like, you cannot be both.

You're close to it.

I am. Like, not to be annoying, like, I was supposed to be in the video, you know. When I was filming Masked Singer, I was like trying to— I was gonna like weasel my way in. She was having a Halloween party and I was like gonna make myself, you know, but you couldn't even make it. I couldn't hack it. Yeah, I didn't make it to Halloween. Maybe season 2.

Queen Corgi.

I would have showed up as Queen Corgi.

I love— I miss Queen Corgi.

I don't. I know, in a physical sense, obviously. Like, you guys know I was deeply uncomfortable physically being in that. Um, but I guess like in an emotional sense No, I also don't miss her, but we will always have— they should have given me like her head. I know they keep them in a museum because they are like thousands of dollars, but they should be on the set like right here.

Yeah, they should, they should.

Yeah.

Um, I majed with Ben yesterday. We played Thai Meeze. I don't even know if you like caught that because I didn't.

When did you—

you were so slick with it. Where did I go after?

In the afternoon or in the night?

In the afternoon.

Where was I? Where was—

oh, you went to spa?

I did go to the spa. I got a gift card for my birthday, and I was like, you know what, to a local spa, which was such a thoughtful gift. So I went. Yeah, I, I got a massage.

Oh, I went to music class, and then when I came home, like, Ben was in the living room and I was in the living room, and I was like, Siamese. And we just like got in a couple rounds, best of 3.

That's nice.

And I got my fix, and that was it. Then I had to like go to Petco for Bruno.

Bruno's become such a liability, but we're working through it.

Yeah, we are. He's on like a strict schedule now. He's just sort of been like loosey-goosey summer. Yeah. Eating this. We all have doing that. And now it's boot camp for Bruno.

Is my part in my hair like straight, or is it like fa-cocked?

It's not fa-cocked, but it's not straight. So like, yeah, like drag your finger.

Okay, it feels like not— you know, I love like a—

it's not like—

oh my God, you are always setting me up.

But like, no, no, you should have gone the other way from the back of my rat tail, like Call Magnolia.

Okay.

Oh my God, Magnolia is here! Magnolia is here, which means Miss Margot's here, which is so exciting. Look at me.

Oh my God, it's worse than ever.

Drag from the back to the front.

Who does that? I don't. It's pretty good. Like, I, I can tell, like, the earth feels off balance if my part is not like dead set. Okay, that's better.

Yeah.

My hair is so oily. I've gotten into like a really lazy place here, um, where I'm washing my hair like maximum twice a week.

Maximum, maximum, max.

Well, and it's not good.

Twice a week is good.

Well, one of the times that I wash them is at the salon because I've been getting weekly blowouts, and I feel like that's like a major wash to the salon, literally. And so do you feel like that counts as like 3 washes? They do wash it twice, but it's just such a deep—

yes, it is.

It will always be one of the great joys of my life getting my scalp like scratched at the salon. Oh such a good feeling.

That is a good feeling.

Sometimes they're not going hard enough. I'm just like, you can make me bleed. Yeah, that's where I get massages. I'm always like very gentle. I do not like deep tissue.

No, same. I got a massage— well, I got a manicure yesterday, and like every time I go they like offer one, but I'm like, no, it hurts too much.

Like, I'm very sensitive.

But I really needed to be like massaged, so I was like, I'll sit through it. I'm like, Alan, he's like— and the guy goes, no pain, no gain.

That's like—

God, that's not true of a massage.

No, no, especially a nail salon massage. It's just like a way passively pass the time.

A massage is meant to be like relaxing. It's not meant to be painful.

Some people find the pain like good.

This isn't physical therapy.

No, correct.

No pain, no gain.

No, I love like a really— I always say like I like to relax, I want to fall asleep. Like, you can't fall asleep if you're being kneaded like a piece of bread. But when it comes to the scalp, I want you to make me bleed.

I know my scalp can take a lot. I love a scalp massage. Otherwise though, I am very tender.

But there are a lot of people when they get a massage, they skip the scalp. Like, it's not, it's not a universal thing that everyone likes. I always say like, you can skip my back.

Oh, I want you You can skip my legs.

You can skip my legs because I also probably haven't shaved them, and that's not—

no, like, you can see my neck. I say you can use them as like as a connecting point. Don't just like go completely— of course, like go down the leg, but yeah, move along.

No, I think that like give it to the scalp and the feet. The scalp massage, the scalp and the feet. Yeah, the scalp. And actually sometimes, like a couple of times weirdly, I've actually gotten a massage and I've only asked for scalp and feet because I have a spray tan. Like I remember I was on vacation once, I got a, uh, wedding weekend, and I like had a spray tan for all the festivities. But this hotel had an amazing spa, so I literally went and I paid for a full massage, and I was like, just fuck up my scalp and my feet. And honestly, it was one of the best massages I've ever had.

I should try that.

Yeah, you should. I also don't love being on my stomach portion of the massage. I always like turn around with a stuffy nose.

I don't like the flip. Like, I don't care which side I'm on, the flip is deeply humiliating. And it's like, that's— I was just getting in the zone.

Actually, I didn't love getting— I got a bunch when I was pregnant of prenatal massages. Being on your side during a just like kind of nice. You— they can't like get like the full body.

They give you the pillow, but I don't think they just like give out the pillow.

Some— I, I remember a couple of places who like took their prenatal massages really seriously, like they had all the proper— I actually went to a place with a hole in the belly.

Me too.

It was the St. Regis Bell Harbor with a hole in the— so you could be on your stomach. And let me tell you, I think I was actually moaning at certain points. It was amazing.

That's beautiful.

It was beautiful. Today's Friday. We've got lots of stories.

We have Queenie and we're gonna attempt to do Queenie and Weenie. We're gonna attempt.

We actually have a lot stories.

I haven't like whittled them down yet. I just like clicked everything that I like, but I think we probably have like 8. Maybe I'll like— maybe I'll bop around.

Bop to the top, girlfriend.

I'm just gonna like— everything that's like need to know, because I'm so sick of everyone being like, why didn't you talk about blah blah blah.

I just feel like we talk about everything under the sun. Like, what could we have missed?

I know, but there were so many stories.

I love that. It's like so rare for a summer Friday.

Yeah, it is great. So let's be so excited.

Let's be grateful.

So without further ado, it is time for the Fast Five Stories that you need to know.

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Thank you, Sash Turt. You're welcome. Our first story, we've gotten a trailer from Earl Meets World.

We have.

Alex Earl is ready to reveal her chaotic life on her Netflix reality show. She says filming season 1 was insane. So for the trailer, she's like sitting doing hair and makeup saying like, get ready with me while I'm narrating the trailer. Yeah, and it's clearly like for the trailer, which is cute. Get ready with me while I tell you what I've been up to. She said filming season 1 of Earl Meets Earl was insane.

Earl Meets Earl.

What'd I say?

Earl Meets World.

But what did I say? Maybe she's meeting a long-lost sister. Um, so we are going to see lots about her blended family. The whole family is in the trailer, you know, balancing her career. They talk about Braxton. She accuses her family of being Team Braxton.

I mean, he's a good guy. Like, I could see them actually liking him, and they all got really close to him. I feel like annoyed that, like, I, I think a lot of hype and anticipation for her show is almost like boiled down to this Alex Cooper thing. Like, my first thought was they didn't mention Alex Cooper in the trailer.

She did say at the end of the trailer, she was like, oh, is there something I'm forgetting? Or like something like that, like alluding to like a big thing. So I feel like that's that. Now we know she is referenced, like it is gonna be in the show, right?

It is.

She's not— she didn't give us anything. We got a printout.

She wants to make like the big trailer about Alex, but right, it's like annoying that it's just sort of boiled down to this. She sort of put a lot of pressure on it.

She has, but I feel like she feels confident in her side, in her side, and also like in her show.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, it looks so good. Her family is inherently so interesting, and I'm someone who like knew a decent amount about like the background and the blended family, but I didn't realize even more— like, I didn't realize that the mom— that guy Todd is her mom's like boyfriend or husband. He's so hot, and he's on the show too, and he's like a star.

Yeah, I'm not really like watching for Todd.

I kind of am. That's what I'm saying. Like, cuz to me, like, the hero of this whole family and the glue is the mom. Like, her willingness to like put the kids first. Like, she's such a queen, she'll be rewarded in the afterlife for her time here on Earth. But it's nice to know like she was a hot man too. Like, I didn't know that. Yeah, you know?

Yeah.

So it's easy to move on when like that's what your man looks like.

It'll be interesting because I do feel like as reality TV consumers, all of us, like, we have a high bar for like family shows, you know?

We do.

Netflix doesn't have a lot of family shows, and like a lot of family shows get started and they don't reach success.

Even families who like have the makings— a lot of families like, we should have a reality show. But like, a lot of them should. Like, they have interesting people with interesting friends and interesting lives and careers. But a lot of times, I don't know why, it's not a perfect formula. It's actually very hard to recreate. The Kardashians like did set an incredibly high standard. So, um, these— this group, like, they have what it takes. They have all the makings of it all. They're gorgeous, they've got drama, they've got history. Um, so it should be good. Yeah, like, period. It should be good, period. Although Netflix reality is like not— I don't know why, like, they don't slay. They do like those competition shows that people like, but they don't do like a lot of docu-series. A lot of it's like staged, like Shahs of Sun— uh, Selling Sunset, you know?

Yeah, but not that they can't.

Like, no, not that they can't.

So I think they'd make everything like really premium. I'm not worried. The premiere date is September 4th.

I think that's what it's—

I said not too far, you know?

So close.

Just like a couple more weeks into swirly summer, and then we'll have like all of Labor Day weekend to watch, and then we can recap.

Yeah, I wonder how it's being released. Mm-hmm. Like, uh, maybe like 3 at a time.

I feel like it will be episodic.

That's so annoying.

Yeah, and it won't be Cooper in the first.

So, well, they know that they have this thing. I know that like everyone's really tuning in to find out, even though I do feel it's been diffused. Like, I don't— this— I was the lead reporter on it and like I kind of don't care anymore. Um, but I would like to hear what she has to say.

Yeah, so that like everyone will watch. Yes, which is good because sometimes you make a really good show but like if people don't watch then no one will ever know. So this way if it's good everyone has to watch. Yeah. That's good.

Yeah, we'll see. I think it'll be great, and the trailer has been very well received online.

Yeah, yeah, exciting.

Yeah.

Our next story, some more viral news. Bethenny Frankel is launching Supermodel Cafe, inspired by her viral social media recipes.

So Bethenny, funny, like she just like makes like some— an influencer launching a brand like would not make the news. People are upset, both positive and negative. She's so polarizing. Like, I saw this everywhere. And it's like not that crazy.

She's not even launching a brand. She's opening a pop-up in the Hamptons. It's a Supermodel Cafe, as it's called, filled with like her viral recipes. You know, she's always making like bits and bites.

She calls it a supermodel snack. Like, here's how she's like—

everything is like cottage cheese and rice cakes and everything with the bagel seasoning.

She is OG, like pre-Ozempic diet girly, you know, using lettuce as bread and cream cheese as salad dressing. Like, so So yeah, she— if anyone can do it, it's her.

Yes. It's also powered by Goldberg's.

Yes, which is a local chain of bagel places here in the Hamptons.

So it's not like she had to like get a kitchen and everything. Like, she's giving them her recipes, they're getting up and running. It's really brilliant.

She's obviously like a fixture in the Hamptons and also in the natural food space.

And the natural food space, in the food space, like even like the chicken salad. And in the Hamptons food space, so many things like so viral. So like, this is so Duh.

Yeah, I don't think it's like a huge moneymaker for her, like a pop-up.

No, but it's like a great thing for her brand. And like, say it does well, which I expect that it will, she can pop up elsewhere. This is something she could do for like a long time in terms of like, let's pop up in LA, let's pop up in Miami.

Yeah, I do feel like confused. What is her status with the Skinny Girl brand? Like, because she's like sold the liquor portion.

Skinny Girl Cafe, right? They—

she sold the liquor portion, so she has nothing to do with that anymore. But like, we eat their popcorn, it's so good. I believe the food, the salad dressing, she's like promoting it She is still somewhat involved, and I know she has a lot of, I think, like non-competes, which is why she hasn't done anything in the food space since then. So I'm curious how this—

No, and also, if she was very much involved in Skinny Girl, then this would be Skinny Girl Cafe and these would be Skinny Girl Snacks.

But what is the remainder of her relationship with Skinny Girl?

No, no, I, I don't know. But like, if you think about it, when she was like, I'm gonna brand my—

Of course.

This segment of my podcast.

She's starting a new thing.

She started a new name for talking about diet food when she—

Yeah, Supermodel Snacks.

Snack, which is great. Skinny Girl is also a great name, but she consciously did not call them Skinny Girl Snacks. No, I know. Well, I don't think she can, or she wants to create equity in a new brand.

Yeah, yeah, which is so Bethany, creating equity.

Yeah, which is smart. Yeah, she already sold her equity. Like, the equity for her and Skinny Girl is out the door, so you don't need to build it up really more.

Continue. Yeah. Should we go?

Of course.

Where is it?

Quag.

Okay, let's go.

We'll go. And like, can we cut the line?

He is her, like, an influencer special line.

The line—

special line for influencers.

It's there. And there's gonna be a lot of people live.

I'm so glad I saw— there was an article in The Cut about this, like, about how everything in New York is a line. And it's just like, it's not even for something crazy, like, it's just for, like, a pancake or a bagel. I am allergic to standing in line. Like, you could tell me that there's a winning lottery ticket, I just have to wait in line of, like, 20 people. Well, I'll just have to keep working. Like, I am allergic to lines. I hate fucking standing in line. I also think there's something deeply humiliating about standing in a line.

Yeah.

And I think like what it says about you is negative. Like, I just, I hate lines. And we need to have like a, a conversation about line culture in New York. It's in— there's a line on— and it used to be like you would see people lining up and you'd be like, I wonder what this is for. It was always something like big. Now I'm like, oh, you're all idiots. I don't even care. It used to be just like the iPhone. That's what people would line up for. And I thought, they're Or the Cronut, right? It was like a once in a lifetime big thing. Now it's every day, like some viral—

I guess it's because of like the viralness. So it's like there's a surge in demand on the same day because it went viral. Mhm. And that's the internet. It's not like really— it's born of the internet.

Yeah, it's one of my least favorite things about living in New York, honestly. The lines. I can't take it. I cannot take it. And I won't participate in line culture either.

Okay, so we'll cut the line, or I'll go stand for you and I'll let you get out of the car.

Yeah, just let me know where the influencer line is, or if there's like friends and family and influencer tasting. Yeah, like what about like Podcast Bethany Has Been Online? Yeah, you have one of those?

Of course we're going, I'm so excited. Hey, road trip! I like, whenever she—

well, I just want to say almost all the shit she eats is inedible to me. Like, I'm— you guys know how— for you, uh, like her wraps of like turkey and chicken salad, like I could throw up.

Yeah, I always see her snacks. I'm like, oh, that looks really good. I want to try that. I don't eat like turkey or chicken, but, um, I want to try some like, you know, cottage cheese on a rice cake. Ben should come too.

He would love it. Absolutely. We're vlogging.

And Olivia.

Oh, we should wait for Olivia to get here. She actually, she is the same like, um, category of eater as Bethany.

Like put it on a rice cake, make sure it has Greek yogurt and cottage cheese and sesame seeds, and make sure it tastes disgusting and will give you diarrhea. Like We'll all go together.

That's actually a really fun afternoon vlog.

Yeah, love that. No, I think it's really smart. I'm, I'm excited for her.

Yeah, I wonder if it's successful, if she has plans to like go into like a line for like the grocery store, because she said she— I think she's selling like healthy bagels, which is a pretty good category. Like, not— there, there are a couple I used to eat them when I was like really nutty, the, um, Better Bagel, I think. Yeah, like they're actually pretty good. Um, so that would be good. And then like spreads, they look like pre-made they could sell my grocery stores.

Yeah, which is crazy because that skinny girl— and then she just did it again.

Then she did it again. Yeah, well, it is what she's passionate about, like being skinny.

It's a good passion.

Yeah, of course, worthwhile being skinny.

And also like eating as much as you can while being—

yes, some people that can be skinny without eating, without thinking about it. Yeah, like eating is just a means to live, it's not something. And then some people like just love food, and Bethany is one of those people who like loves food but also loves being skinny, and like she needs to hold space for both.

Yeah, so that's exciting.

It is.

Our next story: Taylor no longer picks Clark.

Oh my God, this is actually like— to me, the way people were shocked— well, not people, like the delusionals about Nicolandra— like, this is that, that's surprising to me.

Taylor and Clark from Love Island USA last season have made the quote difficult decision to part ways amid cheating rumors. That's very much unfounded, but like, he was spotted with like another girl couple weeks ago, but they could have been broken up a couple weeks ago. Plus she went on her girls trip. That's giving breaking— breakup.

It is. I think that also, um, a storyline on Beyond the Villa is that they were having issues just because Taylor was like true to himself. He is a farm country boy. He does not want to change his lifestyle. He wants to continue to be a farmer and a cowboy. And Clark is like, you know, gotten a taste for that. She wants to go to LA and like do brand deals. So they just have like different visions for the future. And that will— that's actually a very good reason to break up.

It is. But that makes me sad. I like— she's choosing LA over Taylor. But you know what, I also feel like there's much more to it. And if there was infidelity or a lack of trust, yeah, then you've got to go.

The timing is curious because for those who don't know, like, Taylor and Clark, this random couple from Love Island last season, are actually inextricably linked to Olandria. Olandria and Taylor were together the whole season, even though like we knew he didn't like her. He found someone at Casa he really liked. He became like the total villain for leaving Olandria. But he— him and this girl Clark were like so in love, and they've been together ever since in a real way, not if you watch this season.

It's Casey and TT.

Exactly.

And then Anaya and Carl would be the Nicolandria.

And so I'm actually shocked that they broke up, but the timing is very weird because of Nicolandria the same week.

Or that just speaks to like when Nicolandria ran the numbers of when a couple from Love Island should break up—

stats—

they learned that it is about a year later. Also, Taylor and Clark might have already been broken up and people close to them might have already known that before Nicolandria decided to sever business ties.

Before Nicolandia decided to sunset. I was— I just want to say I'm like upset by this. I, I actually believed in their love.

Of course, and you can believe in their love. Couples break up. They're very young.

No, breaking up doesn't mean it was a fake relationship. For Nicolandia Incorporated, it did.

No, but these two were real. The breaking up of Nicolandia doesn't mean that it was a fake relationship. It just was a fake relationship.

Oh my God, I know you don't know because like you're not chronically online, but like I wish I could tell you like how bent out of shape people are about it.

It started to trickle down.

My comments section is like are you guys going to speak out? Like, are you going to talk about like the hate you're— like the backlash? Like, are you going to apologize?

I've seen a couple comments on my Instagram from clearly like Nicolandria's fans who have migrated over to Instagram and like sought me out.

Yeah.

And they're being very unkind. They're being very unkind.

I know. And like their biggest accusation, they're calling us racist, which like, it's just not like— it's not that. And it's actually offensive to actual racism to say that.

It's true.

It is.

Like, it's absurd. And also it's frustrating because they think that we're hating on Alondra when like, they don't know, you haven't been here. And I hate to be like, you know, context, but like, you have— like, you have to listen to everything that we have said about her, including our like live recaps last season, because we don't hate Alondra and we never did.

No, we always wanted better for her than Taylor, then Nick. What are you guys talking about? Like, yeah, and she literally admitted herself on the show that like there isn't a connection between her and Nick, and they as a of, you know, 2 seconds before their breakup, they weren't even technically boyfriend and girlfriend. Like, like, genuinely— and I'm not trying to like make you guys more angry to our like Nicolandria haters— but how genuinely not smart are you? Like, you're dumb.

Well, if you fell for Nicolandria, then that's what I'm saying.

But like, now you're coming for us when like, you know, you got got, you got hoodwinked, and you should just like kind of sunset that.

But what's crazy is both those people and us are coming from a place of love for Alandria. We're showing it in different ways.

Yes.

And like, I think we love her more because we want better for her, and we've always wanted better for her.

The denial phase. We've moved on to like, yeah, whatever the 11, 12 steps are. They're still in denial. Next comes anger.

No, but like, if you really loved Alandria, like, you wouldn't want Nickalandria for her. You wouldn't want Nick for her. And like, I think we love her more actually than you. I would say you don't like her.

We absolutely love Alandria more than, um, our detractors do. Now put that in a clip and post it.

Like, it's called— it's tough love. I would give tough love to like a person that I'm close to and that I love. I wouldn't be like, oh yeah, you're— your terrible boyfriend is great.

Do you like that? Because you've been commenting that I keep saying put that in your pipe and smoke it. What about put that in your clip and post it?

For sure. But like, we do that, like you're talking to us.

I guess I've technically talked to the social media team. Like, put that in your clip and post it.

If we want to go back there.

If we want to go back there.

Let's see what else.

A big if.

What other conversations emerge today? Oh, our next story is some exciting news. It's our fourth story, but we're gonna do six stories today. Yeah, I, I just like don't gets stopped in the middle of our, of our roll. Major podcasting news. Forbes released the highest paid podcasters of 2026.

And I will say, I felt that the list was only interesting because it's the same group of people always, but Giggly Squad, like, cracking the top 20, I feel like that's the big change. They're sort of like coming up from behind and slaying.

Yeah. So here's the top 20. Like, most of these seem pretty obvious. Some— it's crazy that some of these people I've never heard of their show.

Also, what's crazy is that, like, I feel like we talk out of here all the time, like, we're always talking about, like, the biggest female podcast, or we're always talking about who— and justice for Ashley Flowers, because nobody ever says it's her, but, like, it's, it's her by a mile.

Ashley Flowers moves in silence.

She does. She's actually smart.

Yeah, she's not gonna get robbed. Well, after this list.

Yeah.

Joe Rogan is number 1, $82 million, and this is earned this year. So even if he had a hundred— like, well, at this point it'd be a $200 million deal for 3 years or whatever. Like $82 million this year. John Coogan and Jordy Hayes host a podcast called TPBN. It's a finance podcast, I guess. I've never heard of it.

What does TPBN stand for?

Um, I don't know.

I mean, that's crazy.

They're number 2 at $70 million.

TPBN?

Mhm.

Oh my God, like, what are the odds that I haven't heard of something like— I know, I think that's crazy.

Another 2, Moving in Silence.

Sense. Totally.

Did you find it? Technology Business Programming Network.

Technically, who's listening to this?

That sounds fake.

Yeah.

Okay, number 3. Yeah. Stephen Bartlett, Diary of a CEO, classic, at $45 million. Number 4, Ashley Flowers, Crime Junkie, $42 million.

First woman.

Number 5, The Smart List Guys, $37 million. You have to divide that by 3 then, like per— like their show earned $37 million this year. They each took home a third of that.

I'm so glad we never invited Olivia Margo to start the show with us. Like, 3 is so many people.

It is.

I already have a hard time, like, with you, you know?

I know. I'm like, every day I often think about—

I'm like, what if I just did the show by myself? Like, how could I change my lifestyle?

Yeah, every night in the same house, sleeping with one eye open. And then you'd have to do stories and ads.

It's— oh my God, so true. We both earn our keep.

Number 6, Mel Robbins, 35 million. What?

People are not gonna like what I'm about to say, but that's the grift of the fucking century. Like, she literally came out of nowhere. She does like fake self-help. And like, I actually— I mean, it's not a grift because the thing with podcasts is like you earn what you generate. So it's like, that many people are listening to your show. You can't get these numbers without real listeners. So like, yeah, I guess people are listening to Mel Robbins. Yeah, maybe she's not one of the 6 women on the list.

Classic Claudia. Maybe she's like got something going over there. Like people just like, you know, think she, all she is is like the let them theory or whatever.

Yeah.

But like maybe she's giving good advice over there because you really don't stay at the top. You can like grift your way to a certain degree.

It's true.

For one year. With a launch, with a book, with some good guests. And then maybe like a network thinks is buying all that smoke and mirrors. Right. And like pays you a lot of money. But like this is years long now. I, I think she's the real deal. She's like got the cream.

You're right.

Number 7, the Kelsey Brothers, $35 million.

Not surprising.

Another two that have to split.

Only two.

Only two.

And I think that if they were doing it solo, like, it wouldn't be that big, you know? I think that's true of a lot of duos.

You think it's true of us?

Absolutely.

I think so.

I think so too.

It's yin and yang.

1,000%.

Number 8, Alex Cooper, $32 million. Famously does not have to split.

No, she sort of solved that problem a few years ago.

Number 9— we know Alex Cooper has a huge deal.

She's always on these lists. She's always on these lists.

She had the, like, $150 $50 million series deal. So this is like her year, her annual split, her paycheck. Number 9, they're splitting it 4 ways. Pod Save America, $28 million. 4, what's 28 divided by 4?

7. Yes, right? Yes. Yeah, poor. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm totally kidding. Um, that's great, congrats. I feel like there was a time and a place.

And also, is Pod Save America No politics, but it's not New York Times, that's the Daily.

No, but there was a time where they were like— this is not one of their big years. There was a time where like people were fucking obsessed with the show, where maybe if the list had come out they would have been number 1 or 2 or 3. So it's impressive they've been there for a while.

Number 10, Charlamagne at 27 million.

Is that The Breakfast Club?

The Breakfast Club, but it's just Charlamagne.

So because he does like multiple shows and he doesn't own The Breakfast Club. That's like an iHeartRadio, like— it is, but he also has his own program, so maybe it's just like him in general.

But maybe iHeartRadio like re-upped his contract to the tune of $27 million a year solo. Number 11, Dax Shepard, Armchair Expert, $25 million.

Of course.

12, Amy Poehler, $24 million.

Slay. Honestly, not her and her ex-husband being on the list.

Yeah, that's crazy.

And she makes more than him because she's solo.

True. $13. Bill Simmons, $22 million.

Classic.

$14. Jay Shetty, $21 million.

He recently like got a big deal. He's always been like a big podcaster, but he recently like leveled up.

Like, well, he got like a $100 million deal. I saw it on Netflix, and he's on Netflix now and Spotify. Yeah, so he has like two, and he's like getting insane guests too.

Yeah, like he woke up and decided like, we're taking it to the next level, and he did.

Yeah, and the next level was like coming through.

Yeah, it was like 9 figures.

Yeah. $15. Solo. Joe Budden, the Joe Budden Podcast, $20 million.

I've never like seen Joe Biden's face, but like I know obviously his name because every time I see it I think people are misspelling Joe Biden.

And you know, he's huge in podcasting, like a trailblazer.

Yeah.

And you love to see people who have been doing—

you love to see the newcomers, but you love to see the people who have been doing it for so long, like still at the top, being in like the same top 20, whether you're like number 1 or number 10, is beyond impressive.

Yeah. 16, Tucker Carlson, $20 million. 17, your boyfriend.

My boyfriend— wait, hold on. I don't think— no, not Camelli. As a podcast.

Scott Galloway, $19 million.

One of my toxic traits is I love Scott Galloway.

That's so funny.

I know.

$18 million, my boyfriend.

Wait, let me think. Harry Jowsey's podcast.

He's on the list.

Yeah.

Andrew Huberman.

Oh, you know, he's also been— he definitely fell off a little bit, like, with that scandal. And like, I think that his sort of extreme, like, wellness-y was like a very much like a moment in time. But he's still on the list. That's really impressive.

$18 million. He should be Kim's boyfriend.

Do you see Brian Johnson, the longevity king, is like sort of backtracking his lifestyle choices? He said, I fear I've been thinking recently that I might have taken this too far.

Interesting. I also saw— was he— did he get sick?

He got sick or something. Yeah, so that's not good.

That's really sad. 19— oh, Dan Katz and Eric Solenberger, pardon my take, Barstool, $18 million.

Oh wow, Barstool.

Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah. And then 20, Hannah and Paige, Giggly Squad, $18 million.

It's actually insane that there's only 6 women on the list and there are 2 of them. They're 30 of— 33% of the women. Like, that's sick.

That is crazy. But do you think more men listen to podcasts in general than women?

That's a good question.

I don't know.

I don't think so, cuz I think that there are actually more female podcasters.

You think?

I don't know.

No, I feel like it really like started as more of like a, a man space, but there's There's women.

Well, it's very impressive because like I said, it's the same 20 people usually, and Ghibli Squad cracking is like major, major for the— it's because you know what, you love to see a swirly show in the mix. You're rolling it up.

You do, you really do.

I love lists.

Exciting for the industry. There's a lot of money, it's like floating around.

Is there anyone who you feel is noticeably absent from the list?

I love that question.

Let's go. Not to like point out, let's go to the top charts.

But it's also worth mentioning that you would have had to submit submit your financials, which a lot of people don't want to, in order to like be a contender.

Although I think with some people, like Joe Rogan, I can't see him having agreed to submit anything.

No, but like it's known that his deal was what it was, right?

But like, I think you have to submit a tax return, I think.

Or no, I don't think so. I think if like they knew that Joe Rogan got $150 million deal, then it's $50 million this year, right?

Right.

It is what it is. Anyone one missing.

I feel like it felt accurate.

Theo Von. Oh yeah, people were saying like Conan. I don't think he was like snubbed or anything. I, I think he—

and I, I just don't think he made it this year. I don't think he's far down.

I don't think he generated more than $18 million.

But Theo Von is a very good call.

And then like, what about the Daily? How does that work? Because they're like employees— they're a media company and they're employees of the New York Times.

So yeah, the show isn't like any And also they base these numbers based on deals. Like we know that New Heights went to Prime for X amount. New York Times sells their own ads. So like they don't get these types of deals 'cause it's all done in-house, if I had to guess.

Right, no, I agree with that.

If I had to guess.

No, I'm looking at the tops and like it does seem pretty morbid. What about morbid?

Yeah, I get them confused with crime.

I know, maybe they only like wanted to put one crime, but like money is money. Like if you made that much money. Yeah, it's a meritocracy.

This list is a meritocracy.

It is. But no, but exciting, exciting stuff.

Yes, it is.

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Our next story— a story— Juliana Rancic details her humiliating moment of relationship with ex Jerry O'Connell.

Oh wow, we're closing the circle on this.

The Bill and Juliana podcast dropped, and she is sharing her side of their relationship that he mentioned on Cal Ripa. She said that she would be on her podcast unfuzzing his memory because he said his memory was a little fuzzy on the situation. And she talks about how he broke up with her from a balcony. So first she was saying that she was dating Jerry O'Connell, he like went off to shoot a movie and he was like spotted with his co-star Geri from the Spice Girls, like walking out of a restaurant holding hands.

Geri's always starting stuff, don't you find? She literally is the reason they broke up.

And I love that Giuliana named names. Yeah, me too. Um, even though it's like, it was so low stakes, like it does— it's 20+ years ago.

But if you're going to tell us a story, like tell us the story. Yeah, we need to name the characters.

It's not like she went— like, it's not like it was Jennifer Lopez and like now Giuliana is like putting her on notice. Like low stakes. Agreed. Um, she said she had called, um, she said she texted—

what did she say?

She called Jerry, um, and he wasn't picking up her calls. He was like ghosting her. And she said, Jerry, I'm gonna call the police, like, I'm really worried about you. And he wrote back, do not call the police. He goes, I just got back to LA, I'm at my condominium. He goes, I'm fine, I'm fine. So I was like, oh my God, okay. I write, I'm coming over, like, I haven't seen you in like 5 days, what's going on? So I go over there and that's where this whole thing happened. He said that he was— she said he was standing on his balcony looking at her, uh, saying he didn't want to see me in person. He didn't have enough courage to come down and see me face to face, like a foot away, and instead did it from a balcony. He broke up with me from a balcony, and I honestly thought it was because he was just like, over it, done. He was just like, bye. It was devastating, heartbreaking, humiliating. It was traumatizing. It truly was. And I just could not believe what I was hearing. They had been together for a year and a half.

Oh my God. Well, obviously Jerry was inside.

Yeah.

Oh, we think Jerry and Jerry. I'm just putting that together. Jerry and Jerry. Yeah. You don't let someone in but you're talking to them through the—

like, even if you want to break up or someone—

even if you wanted to break up with her in like a rude and short way, like, you could let her up.

Like, there was someone—

there was someone there, obviously. The story is very inconvenient for me because it's in Congress with the Jerry that I know as like the Bravo-loving dad.

Yes, but I feel like like people grow, people grow. And I don't know if he's like— I could see part of his shtick as having been like a recovered a-hole, like someone who like got caught up in Hollywood for a minute.

Yeah.

And then became like humbled and lovely. Yeah.

Even like not in Hollywood, I think a lot of like grown men would say like they didn't act their best in certain relationships in their 20s. I'm like not gonna hold it against Jerry. If I didn't like Jerry, I would hold it against him. But like I This is just extremely inconvenient for me as like a Jerry O'Connell fan.

No, and also like behavior from 20+ years ago. And she said like, you know, obviously it was for the best.

Is her tone like, is she mad?

No, I feel like she just like felt like this is very real for her. Yeah, this happened. If you're gonna talk about it, like don't skim the surface because this is the truth.

I guess he did bring it up.

Yeah, she said a year and a half. I do love that Jerry is an open book even if his memory is a little fuzzy. Um, I truly believe everything happens for a reason. We are both happily married now. We both have great families and we are both exactly where we're meant to be. So like True, that can be completely true. I don't think she's coming from a place of malice, but it's like, oh no, we're bringing this up, let's, let's— yeah.

And I would normally say like, get over it, Giuliana, like it was 20 years ago, but he did bring it up.

I don't think she's not— like, I feel like she—

no, sometimes it's like hard to find fodder for your podcast.

No, I feel like if someone was talking about you, you have a podcast, they're telling a story, they're sort of contradicting what you've said historically, like, yeah, clear the air. Yeah, think about like what we would do? Of course I would sit down and I would just tell my truth. Let it rip.

Yeah, let it rip. Mhm.

Are you ready for now? Our—

thank you for closing the loop on that.

Yes, of course. I completely forgotten because I saw clips of it and then I was like, oh, okay.

Yeah, here we go.

Yeah. Um, our next story—

I don't know if it's a story, but you see Uber— this is actually like really huge news for slobs like me. Uber is being sued. Do you know that? It's actually devastating. You know when you get Uber Uber Eats and like you do priority because you don't want your food dropped off before. Like, yeah, you are paying for nothing. The driver like doesn't know that you have priority. Sometimes Uber will tell them like other orders to pick up before coming to you, and they're actually being sued for not being like— for false advertising.

Good.

And like stealing people's money.

Good.

I have never— maybe twice in my life have I done not priority.

Of course.

And those two times were like the biggest regrets of my life.

So—

but apparently it's like, it's literally for nothing. Oh yeah.

Well, good then.

Yeah, I'll keep you updated on that legal news.

Please do.

Um, because that's so giving like fifth and final Friday story.

No, no, no. And this is like sixth and final, but it was about the fact that LeBron James is like in a deal with ESPN. They're about to close on doing like a Last Dance style documentary for his like next season or two seasons at the 76ers.

Yes. So I heard about this and I'm so glad you brought up LeBron because I wanted to say one other thing. Um, did you also see that during his tenure on the Philadelphia 76ers, he will be living in New York and commuting via helicopter?

I saw that. That is a potentially Yes.

So I think that's insane, um, obviously for a couple of reasons. Like, I'm sorry, when you are like playing for a team, like, you have to live there. Like, I just feel like that should be the rules. Two, with this new pieta terra tax, I don't know why LeBron would now want to purchase a place in New York City. Like, that's insane. A second home?

Well, it would be his first if he's living there.

No, I feel like his— like, like Akron is his home, you know? Like, that's his primary residence. And two, the helicopter.

Yeah, every day.

Or like, I feel like certain things, even though I don't believe that helicopters are unsafe. Like, we know that with Kobe, like, it was bad weather and they flew through it and they shouldn't have. Um, but I just feel that now everyone thinks about helicopters just a little bit differently.

Yeah.

Because of that situation. And so for you to like literally be doing what Kobe was doing, and now you're gonna be like doing it every single day, like the overreliance. Yeah. That's really crazy. Like all that just to not live in Philly.

Yeah.

Philly's a fine place.

There's plenty of, and like there's different vibes, you know, like you could live in the city, you can live in the suburbs.

You get a farm like 30 minutes away.

You could go to Farm Chamin.

Yeah. Now back to the documentary thing. Don't you feel like— and yes, like The Last Dance, like it needed to be recorded— but don't you feel like it's like a little bit of a jinx? Oh, like what if you have a flop season like, you know, Tom Brady's last or whatever?

I think Aaron Rodgers when he did his, right?

What if you tore your Achilles heel?

Yeah, I guess it doesn't have to like come out, you know.

No, but now it's like being reported.

Yeah. I also feel like if I'm a Philly fan, I'm like, you're literally coming here to use us to talk about how big of losers we are and how you're going to save us.

You won't even live here. No, you won't live here. It's like someone's I hate—

I don't know, it's kind of like when Elle and Alec does the documentary of the homecoming and she's just like, look at these sad people, I'm gonna bring them joy. And it's like, yeah, we're fine.

I think though, like, if he does get them a championship, like, they won't really care.

I agree.

So if he doesn't, they'll feel used and abused, but if he does, it's like, okay, whatever, at least we got championship. Yeah, no, this whole thing is like a little—

and like, to come into like a new locker room with like camera crew No, but like, you are LeBron, and I think like literally almost every NBA player like grew—

who's actively playing— like grew up and obsessed and like, and sure, LeBron, it's like, sure, you want to be naked? Like, sure, we can take a shower.

It's true, it's true.

I actually don't think that they care. They're actually a part of history.

Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

Yeah, I think it's a jinx because like, I don't know, LeBron just did go to the Lakers and he stunk it up there, so it's not a guarantee that if you—

he didn't stink it up, he won the championship for them in 2020.

2020.

Yes, that was 6 years ago, per our fact-checkers. No, he did, but he went— he got them a championship in his time there. You don't win every year even when you're the GOAT.

Fine, fine, that actually is fair. I just think it's like not guaranteed that— like, I feel like for Tom Brady, like, it actually was guaranteed. Like, if I'm on your team, like, we're winning. Like, it just kind of was. I feel like it's not the case for LeBron. So it's, it's like, I would say he's a 50-50 shot.

I think it's as much the case for LeBron going to the 76ers as it was for Tom going to the Buccaneers.

Yes, but we have 6, literally 6 years since his last championship. Like, that's a long time.

I guess he's older. Okay, I'm older.

No, I'm like very much sad for this NBA season.

Yeah, yeah. So we'll see. Don't make me say it, you're not like other girls, you drink beer.

Exactly. Um, let's dive into our final segment of the week, Queenie and Weenie, and And we kind of like fumbled the last couple of weeks, we forgot to do it. So Queenie and Weenie is our final segment of the week where every Friday Jackie and I just like to take a look back at the week at a glance and deliver, deliver two awards: Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. It's pretty self-explanatory. If you did something queenie-like, you will be Queenie of the Week. And if you were acting like a major weenie, you will be Weenie of the Week.

Mm-hmm.

Don't get too upset, it's a 7-day title and you know, you can find yourself queenie one week, weenie the next, so don't get too comfortable, sweetheart.

Yeah.

Now what do we wanna start with?

Queenie. Queenie. I'm gonna make my Queenie of the Week. I think it's pretty obvious and I think She's like, Queenie, probably like 2 and a half weeks running given like the wedding and then the clapbacks. And that would be Paige Paul, Nay Lorenz.

Yeah, Paige Paul. Oh, Nay Lorenz, um, absolutely. She was a contender for me as well. Like, not every time—

it's hard.

It's actually very rare that somebody like speaks a lot and I'm always agreeing with them because like even if I like you, I'll like think you're a little dumb, you know. She has just been like slaying every time she speaks. Even more, I agree with everything she's saying. That's my queen right there.

Yeah, and I think if we had done Queenie like last week when she got her wedding pics and like she's just having like a Queenie-like run, it's undeniable.

I agree, she's on a Queenie-like run and it's a Queenie-like summer for her. Queenie of the week, Paige Lawrence.

Yeah, unanimously, unanimously. I agree.

And then weenie, of course there were so many options, but I'm going to give it to Alandria.

Yeah. She's brave.

I know, because the thing is that I was just saying like how much like I've written for— and it's true— but when I thought about the dissolution of Nicolandria Incorporated, I really didn't ever see it going this way where it was like low-key a bad reflection on Alandria. And that, I feel, is what happened. The Dumas comments did not help, um, and I just feel that she hasn't been putting her best foot forward this week.

Yeah.

And I feel like Alandria maybe in the past has actually even been Queenie. So like she will be Queenie again, like a phoenix rising from the ashes, feel like the behavior was a little weenie like this week.

And for me would be the Nick Landry fans, like, of course, who are now like coming for me and like just like mine, like our looks and like our looks.

And it's like, are we that bad looking? Like, no, no.

And also like, I— we're off limits. Like, we just had babies.

We're off limits.

Like, when people like want to say something about my looks, I'm like, my looks are irrelevant.

Um, no, actually my looks are insane positive given the fact that I just literally just had a baby.

No, like, but truly be like, what do you mean my looks? That's not even a thing right now. I don't have looks.

But also, like, let's say things— looks are a thing right now. Like, it is sort of a fact of life. Like, you and I are timeless beauties. Like, it's true, we would be beautiful in any generation. Like, we don't have plastic surgery face. Like, we have beautiful smiles, we have real faces. Like, we are factually timeless great beauties. So, and I know what's coming up. Yeah, of course. I'm like, yeah, of course, feel free to call me fat. Like, it's a temporary phase. Like, I'm fine with that. But you cannot deny, like, the true beauty. Like, the essence of us is beautiful.

I agree. Also, like, they're only seeing clips from, like, this studio, and I just feel like the lighting, like, it's not doing 100%, like, our— right.

Yeah.

So, like, they just don't know all the truth. Like, they don't know that I've just had my third child in 4 years.

Like, because you don't know No, that makes you a weenie. That because, you know, so thank you guys so much for an amazing week, and thank you so much for listening to the Toast in the Morning Show.

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