Transcript of Loser Sneeze: Wednesday, April 29th, 2026 New

Good morning, girlies. It's The Toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast 5 things you need to know.

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Welcome back to The Toast, and happy hump day. Don't forget to hump someone you love. I'm happy to be your host Claudia, who has such a wild side that everyone has gotten to know. And speaking of everyone, it's my girl Jess.

Not just anyone.

Not just anyone.

Not just anyone. And I do feel confident that in today's episode you will continue to see Claudia's wild side, making good on the wish that Olivia, a younger sister, wished for the world.

I'm just updating our whiteboard because yesterday was our second show without talking about the Licks vs Lex drama in a formal capacity. The whiteboard now reflects that. Are there any stories about them today?

No, they're not. So I think we're gonna go 3 for 3 on days without speaking about it in a formal capacity.

We'll see, time will tell. Last night was the Summer House, you know, day. Watch Summer House, watch Lindsay on Watch What Happens Live.

Watched up to the first commercial break.

Same, it was boring.

Oh, it wasn't boring, I was just— it It's getting so late. I'm now in the phase of like, you know, Charlie transitioning sleep. And so he starts— like what I went through last spring with Harry, where like I had to fall asleep in the bed with him and then transfer him. Like now I'm going through with Charlie, which means I can't get to my shows till like 9, 9:30. That's wild, man.

I did feel like it was boring. I think not every episode is going to be a banger. This one, like, I feel like people were sort of like grasping at straws, like looking for stuff. I don't think there was anything. It was just like a fine episode. And it was the same for Watch What Happens Live. And Andy was once again like being rude to Mother Hubbard.

Like he was just Oh yeah, he was like— he, he got—

he was moving quickly.

He got testy.

I do have sympathy for like a live show where the guests have so much personality. Like, sometimes just shut up so I can move on to the next segment or cut to a commercial break. Like, people try to have like their moment on Watch What Happens Live, but he rushes people so, so much sometimes that it's just rude.

What about this? How about less segments? Like, the segments are nutty. Yeah, they are. And we're there for the big personality who's trying to have a moment. Like, please, by all means, have a moment. Tell us something interesting.

Oh, I felt bad for the bartender, cuz you know, sometimes people don't realize—

who corrected Andy and let him know he has 3 restaurants.

The bartender sometimes is a sponsored role where like a brand will pay, so Andy has to legally like give them 30 seconds. Sometimes you could tell it's just like a friend of a friend, and Andy just like really But this guy, like, I think he got contractually like one question and he was having his moment. And I did feel bad. Like, I, I, I do think it's a waste of a brand's money to go and watch.

Why? I now know he has 3 restaurants, one called The Dirty, one called Jack and Charlie, because he should go on Namesake. He should come on Namesake.

He should go on Namesake. I have been there.

So the streets are saying that they like Namesake, and by the streets I mean Claudia's best friend's mom, which Is it really influential figure in your life?

She's my Moroccan friend's mom, and I would say at this point, like, she's my friend. And she was DMing me this morning about Namesake because she has a son named Ruby, so her son could go on Namesake. He could. I just want to say I'm glad that the fandom is like growing for, for Namesake because it's going to take a lot for me to, for me to get on board. I, I don't—

maybe it's like my solo project. Passion project.

Like I've always said, one of these days, like, I will do a podcast with Ben. Like, one of these days, one of these— it's coming. So I think one of these days you will also host a podcast called Namesake.

I think it's a solo mission. I think I gotta fly solo, and I'm okay with that. Like, there's something that, like, I could not do without you, but maybe I meant to do Namesake on my own. And then you think in terms of my dream, not yours.

Yeah, no, it's not my dream. And in terms of, like, um, interview formats. One-on-one is so much better than two-on-one.

Yeah, I feel like I'll really— I'll get to the bottom of things with Charlie Puth. Listen, we should reach out to his team and like have an— who do you think should be the first person on Namesake?

Who inspired it? Was it Charlie Puth?

I think so, but there's another person.

Micaela Nogueira.

She didn't inspire it, but she was definitely a big get for namesake.

Levi from Summer House? No, she was a late addition. It was like Harry Styles.

Levi from Summer House is a late addition. Yeah.

And, um, you could also— now that I'm thinking about it— have my good friend Harry Styles.

Yes, I could. Of course. Prince Harry.

I saw somebody post something really, um, interesting because it's so true. Not Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz having to announce their engagement like to the public twice. It was like it was reported in two waves. Like, people didn't care enough the first time, so then it was reported again yesterday, like TMZ, like, it's confirmed. Like, you said that a few days ago.

Well, I feel like when I first saw it, I just— when someone puts out an engagement and it's like not from their Instagram or whatever, I just like don't believe it because like these rats from a piece of jewelry, lie, lie, lie. So they did need to confirm it.

I just think people don't care. And I just want to say, I kind of care. I was talking about this. So yesterday I recorded Nuts Get Him Enough Fat. We did like pop culture, and she was like, why does nobody care about Lewis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian? And I'm like, they just don't. It's not interesting. Kim's not like having her viral moment right now. Um, and she was like, people also don't really care about Zoë Kravitz and Harry Styles. And that's true, but I want to say that's not my truth. I happen to be like on ship for them. I'm excited about the prospect, and I'm all good.

Yeah, but you, you're not like as excited as you could be, you know, like Michelle Sinay and Dr. Dre, just because some things have that it factor.

Magic. Yeah, absolutely.

And some things are like kind of obvious and a little boring, but boring for a relationship is good. So that's good for your actual relationship.

Stability is hot. I feel like we live in a world where like people who are happily married like aren't the most interesting It's like the Ariana— you're always saying like the Ariana Maddix trajectory, like why can't married people get brand deals? Like for me, like my idols, people get brand deals, and obviously I'm speaking for turd self, like my idols, like people I look up to, like are stable. Like I only want to like watch content of people who like have shalom bayit. Yeah, inner peace.

Yeah, I find that very influential. To me.

Yes, me as well. Yeah, it's kind of how like when I became a mom, I stopped following or like engaging with any sort of like toxic moms who like make like, oh, can't wait to put my kid to bed so I can kill myself. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I fucking hate that shit. I hate it. Yeah, I want toxic positivity. Like, I don't even want to talk about the hard stuff because it doesn't matter, and like harping on it just makes it harder.

No. Yeah, and then it's like more time you spent in the hard Yeah, no, and it's like, it was hard, but it was us.

Like, who cares? Yeah. Um, so I apply that also to like relationships. Like, I'm only— if you— I want boring content, I want peaceful content, I want people who go to bed at 8 o'clock and just like scroll and fall asleep together, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

Ben went to the Knit Game last night, and it was kind of a star-studded affair.

I mean, Kylie and Timothée.

So like, when me and Ben go to Knit Games, I take Ben's glasses because I have like pretty good vision, but Ben wears like an actual micro— like a pair of binoculars. And so it helps me like look at the front row, see who's there. So I like— my influence on Ben is like now he goes to the games with his friends and he takes pictures of the celebrities and sends them to me. And it was a packed house at MSG last night. You know, the usuals: Tracy Morgan, Ben Stiller. But Tracy Morgan was there with Tina Fey. Tracy and Liz.

And then of course Kimmy and Liz. And then Kimmy was sitting next to Tina. And Kylie was sitting next to Ben Stiller.

Yeah, I thought it was weird. I thought they should have switched.

I feel like Tina Fey has like made jokes about the Kardashians.

Absolutely.

And that would be a little awkward. Kylie would have to— Kylie would always be polite because she's a queen.

But no, but she's definitely—

whether it's like Timothy, a little pinch. He's like, no, I want to sit next to Ben Stiller. And it's like, get over there.

No, like a little elbow. Sit down.

You know, she has sharp elbows too, cuz she's so skinny. Yeah.

Also, did you see at Stagecoach— I totally forgot to talk about this when we were recapping Stagecoach— Brett Young, who's like, was on his way to being a huge country star and somehow like fell off, he did his set wearing—

I think he chose shalom b'it, actually.

You do?

I do. Like, he has a shalom b'it.

He does, but for a man, like, you don't have to make a choice. You can have shalom b'it and be a huge star.

Look at Luke Combs. Have you been seeing like those reports about him. Like, I mean, because he's been doing interviews and stuff about how he prioritizes fatherhood. He doesn't do any shows during the week, he travels on the weekend, but he is with his kids more than like 90% of fathers.

So shalom bayit means, um, like peace of the home, which means just like inner peace. And yeah, like having a stable family life. I totally agree. And I just— for a career, like, it's really impossible for a man to like lose his career because he was too busy being at home. That's just like not how it works. And Brett Young, there was like an era, and I think he was really like lifted up by Sam Hunt falling off. Like, he was so up and coming, banger after banger, and he just kind of fell off. And yes, he does like get married and have kids, but I don't feel like—

I think there's just like a lot of country guys, and there are actually a lot of even successful— like, if there's 100 mid-country artists, even like 20 of them will become huge, but that just leave 80.

The reason why I brought him up is because he played his Stagecoach set in that t-shirt that's like a mockery of the Beatles where it's like Kim, but it's Kim, Kylie, Khloé, Kourtney, and Kendall.

I love it. That's weird.

Yeah, me too. But like, why did he do that?

I, I mean, personally, I can't understand someone who wouldn't wear that shirt. So of course, the biggest like day of their career, I can't speak to why he wouldn't wear it, why he shouldn't wear it.

People in the TikTok comment section were like guessing that maybe he lost a bet. Oh cool, like fantasy football, maybe like March Madness.

I don't know, I just don't think that's true because I don't think he's that big of a loser. Loser sneeze.

I could see him being a loser, to be honest.

Why, why do you being so hard on him? I think he's such a cutie.

Am I being hard on him?

Called him not successful, lost a bet.

I knew he wasn't success— okay, I guess like I am being really harsh on Brett Young. My bad, my bad.

I think he's so great. I love his music. We saw him perform once at Surf Lodge. Oh no, you weren't there.

You saw him at Surf Lodge? Why wasn't I there?

Me, Margot, Margot Lewin.

I don't know what the circumstances were that I wasn't there and you weren't there. Brett Young at Surf Lodge. They only have the worst people come perform at Surf Lodge.

Brett Young at Surf Lodge. I believe the year was 2019. That's when all the great things was my fat ass socially happened. I remember I was out east with the Margos.

Yeah, well, that song of his, Sleep Without You, is literally the best song ever made. As long as the night ends with you in a yellow cab shooting me a text saying coming home soon. Um, oh yeah, Ben went to the game, the Knicks one, Knicks tape. And, um, hopefully they, you know, keep doing that, continue to win, so we can keep getting Kylie and Kimmy. I don't know why I can't say their names. I'm having a stroke now for the second time. Timothy and Kylie. Kylie, Timothy.

Yeah, but you could have said just Kylie.

Is that their name? Or Kimothy?

I like Kimothy better, even though it sounds like Kim Kardashian's dating Timothy. Kylie-mothy. That's good.

That's cute.

I like that. I like it.

We've got a great— excuse me.

We got a great sneeze for you.

We've got a great loser sneeze. We've got a great show. We have our Summer House recap. We do. We have stories like—

let me, let me refresh myself. Um, what are the—

is your shirt from Amazon?

No, Avara.

Oh, I'm just like really showing myself. I just have a similar shirt.

Oh, uh, you know, like actually like light bites, I would say. I would describe today's stories as light bites.

Yeah, I like that.

Yeah, you know, just like a little little snacky chewy little thing.

Snacky chewy?

Snacky chewy. Like, it's not like— it's not a big meal. The stories aren't meal-like, and they're also not— they're definitely sweet, you know? It's not like a celery stick.

I would hope not.

But sometimes we could have a celery stick if it's like Biz News. I would call that a celery stick.

I miss Biz News.

I know. I don't know why. Like, I guess Yeah, everything's in waves here at The Turst, you know?

It's so true.

So, um, yeah, light bites. I'm looking forward to discussing and munching on these light bites.

On these hors d'oeuvres?

In the Fast Five stories that— no, the PFFB is the hors d'oeuvres.

Yeah.

In the Fast Five stories that you da do need to know.

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You're welcome. What? Turdilel. Oh, like, can you go?

Can you say Jurdalow? It's really simple, rolls off the tongue. Her first story: big music news. Ariana Grande announces her new album Petal and sets a July release date. July. So Ariana Grande has announced the title and release date for her 8th studio album called Petal, executive produced and co-written by she and Ilya, who like works a lot with Max Martin and worked on Eternal Sunshine. Yeah, so I feel like she made a whole big deal about how she like wasn't doing music anymore. Yeah, she's got the acting theater bug.

Yeah, but then I feel like she didn't get nominated for an Oscar and she was like, this whole thing was for nothing, I'm going back to music.

You're lying. You really— that's how I thought it was. I really actually maybe like— sorry to just, you know, debase her, but like maybe it was just because of Ethan. Like maybe she wanted to be an actress because she was dating an actor and she's the sort of girl who like—

are they not dating anymore?

No, they're not together anymore.

Are you sure?

I'm pretty sure. Let's look at it.

I haven't heard that.

I feel like that, that was Ariana Grande, Ethan Slater.

I think they are still together.

They are?

I'm fairly certain. Oh, which on one part, like, they have to stay together for their whole lives because of what they did.

I thought so too. Okay, so it's not just because she was like acting for him. To be—

she's not publicly single. She is still believed to be with Ethan Slater, as of latest information, according to chat.

So it wasn't just to be his, like, dream theater girl?

No, no, I don't think she was LARPing. Like, you know, when you get a new personality when you date someone new? No, no, I don't think—

and like, you're in their world, and he's like with actors, actors on actors.

I think maybe, like, Wicked was such a whirlwind and it required so much of her that she thought all movies would be like that, and so she would have no time for music. But then she did, like, Meet the Fockers, which is just like a regular movie, and you probably work for like a month or two, and she was like, wait, Maybe I can do both.

Yeah.

And so now she's like, never mind. I do think the Oscar thing like really pissed her off, honestly.

Interesting. But she did get nominated for the first movie, right? So she—

no.

Oh, okay. Are you sure? I don't think so.

No. Did Ariana?

Because like at least she could then be like Oscar-nominated actress.

I don't even think she did. Let me just ask chat really quick. Well, damn.

I also feel like Someone needs to tell her she doesn't need to make like these grand proclamations.

Sorry, she did, she did, she did. Okay, so she's nominated, but she didn't win.

She's asking.

Yeah, that's, that's good.

That's pretty cool. Um, you don't need to make like grand proclamations like, I'm not doing music anymore. Like, just see what happens, you know? Like, wait and see. I feel like a lot of people do that and then they have to like undo what they said, and it's like, just don't say big statements.

Like, just don't share your plans with us.

Yeah, especially if you don't know what they are.

Move in silence.

But I mean, she's a great musical artist, like a once in a lifetime sort of talent. Like, it would have been sad if she wasn't making like bops anymore. And she's a bop maker, so I, as a consumer of bops, like, I look forward to listening to what this album holds.

Yeah, and I do think with the perspective of hindsight, Eternal Sunshine— well, I don't know how commercially successful it was in the moment. I do feel like as far as albums go It made quite an impact.

Like, no, I think it was very successful. It's very good. There are a couple of—

there was a lot of discourse about it at the time.

There are a couple of like amazing songs on it. Yeah, I think it did everything that you hope an album will do.

I watched a really interesting TikTok about Ariana Grande's acting career from like a, like an actor, like, like a film buff. And I guess like Ariana's thing is that she will do a movie but a like sort of a prerequisite for her rider and like contractually they have to agree, like she handles her own glam. 'Cause you know she has this thing where like she won't show one side of her face and she has to wear her hair a certain way. She's like, I don't wanna use the word like insecure, but like particular.

Yes.

And when you're an actress, like you just can't be that way. Like you just can't. You have to be a chameleon and you have to let them like do their thing. And so this TikTok was reviewing, I guess they saw Meet the Fockers or whatever this new movie's called. And it's like this kind of distracting thing where she's just like this pop star sitting in glam. Yeah. When she's supposed to be like a daughter-in-law. And I didn't know that that was a part. And I guess she did it in Wicked, but Wicked was so like big and theatrical that it didn't, you know, you didn't notice it.

But you could tell that she played Wicked.

Yeah, because she just looked just like herself.

Like, yeah, I think Kim also does that. I don't think Kim would let anyone else touch her face, even for—

yeah.

And so she's always gonna look like Kim Kardashian. It's limiting.

It's limiting. I didn't know that.

Like, you have to be down to clown.

You have to be down to be ugly, like for real.

Would you gain weight? Would you gain weight?

Me?

Not you. These people— these, like, would—

no.

Does Kim want to be an actress? Bad. Him? She would—

would— would you gain weight?

Would Ari?

No. Could she? No, she—

I don't think she would. So like, yeah, I guess that's like, you're not a serious actor if you won't do that.

You're not.

Yeah, I wouldn't be a serious actor. I, I need my own glam.

Actually, there's this viral clip, I don't know if you've seen it, it's like, I think it's many years old, but it just started resurfacing again. I've now seen it twice where Hilary Swank is like doing a moderated panel or whatever, and there's an audience Q&A, and this woman gets up and asks her, like, quite literally the most unnecessary question. I guess there's an episode of The Office where the whole premise is everybody in the office is arguing whether or not Hilary Swank is beautiful. Like, some people like, no, she's not. And the question was like, have you ever seen the episode? What do you think? Which, like, I don't know what brain-dead person thinks that's a good question. And her answer is very much like, I've— like, I think I I haven't seen it, but I know that it exists. And like, my whole thing is like, I just play real people and like, some people are ugly and some people are not. And so like, that's why she's a great actress. She's not afraid to be considered ugly, even though I'm watching the panel. I'm like, no, she's very pretty, but she plays ugly people.

Yeah. Yeah.

Remember she played like that kind of manly boxer? Yeah.

So did—

Million Dollar Baby.

Yeah.

Right.

Range. She's not afraid to get ugly.

No, no. But I think when you're like such a bombshell, like, it's not a question whether or not Sydney Sweeney is like insanely beautiful, even though people like to be like, she's not that hot. It's like, okay, ugly, whatever you say. So it's like, it's fun to play ugly because no one's really gonna think you're ugly.

But like, I actually am surprised. I've like seen a couple clips from like Euphoria and stuff, and like she's not afraid to like embarrass herself as an actress. And it's, it's quite surprising, especially with this like baby OnlyFans stuff. Have you been seeing that? Mhm. Like, it's not on her because she didn't write that, and she's just seeing—

and we know that the people who do write the show are like freaky as hell, disgusting.

But like, she just like does it. Or I saw the scene where she's like— the one where she went viral— like, I've never been so happy in my life. Like, her face is— never ever been happy. She looks crazy.

Her character is a crazy girl, like a really desperate, lovestruck loser, but she's like the popular girl, but nobody knows how big of a loser she actually is.

That's crazy. And then I just saw a scene from her and Nate's wedding where she's like dancing on him. Yeah, they did like a choreographed dance, and she's just like really like gets after it.

Yeah, she's a good actress. She really is.

She is. You would think—

except that movie Anyone But You, she should have that deleted from the internet. It is the worst acting performance from a human being I've ever seen.

People liked it. Claudia.

I enjoyed the movie. I'm not saying it was a bad movie. Her performance was someone's first time on Earth. Like, it was not— it was bad.

Well, the place looks great.

It always does.

So new Ari music, that's exciting. Like, sure, sure.

Yeah, sure. Petal.

Petal. Cute, cute. Oh, oh, because petal— because I have this right here. Something that is full of life and growing through the cracks of something cold and hard and challenging.

What a petal. I can't think too hard about Ariana Grande because I just end up disliking her.

Yeah, yeah.

What she did— like, every time we talk about her and we say positive things, we have to just bring up the fact that she broke up a family. They both did. They both did, uh, a family with a newborn baby. Like, Lily Jay, whatever that girl's name was. Like, no, that's not her name. It's Lily Jay, I think.

Hold on, on my way, I'm on my way. Lily J.

There isn't enough justice in the world for that girl, and I don't even think she got any. Like, people don't believe in— you know, Bowen Yang's always like, don't believe what you hear about Ari. It's like, no, I do believe it. Just— and she wrote a piece in like New Yorker pretty much confirming the whole thing. Yeah, there isn't enough justice in the world for that woman.

Yeah, I agree. You got to keep it surface with Ari. You can't look beneath the surface.

You really— for me at least, like, I unfortunately cannot stand due to my moral compass.

You cannot stan?

Did I say stand?

You did.

I meant stan. I can't like fully dive deep.

No, no, no, surface.

I can stream, I can have fun, I can even go to a concert.

Wicked, can watch.

But I can't— of course, of course, I can't give a part of my my soul, you know, like I do to some of my faves like Taylor.

You cannot ride.

I cannot ride.

I understand.

All right, energy, my heart, you bitch. Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story?

No, I'm not, because on my morning TikTok scroll today, I watched this like 10-minute deep dive. You know, they talked about it on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, but I feel like, like no one was listening. Lisa Rinna just shared the fun fact that her mom was actually like a victim of that serial killer David Carpenter. Yeah, she was like the first one he tried to kill her and then went to jail for like 7 years and got out and then became a serial killer. Well, somebody did like a whole deep dive on the actual incident of what happened to Lois Rinna. Let me tell you, it's the craziest story I've ever heard. I was like, like gripping my seat. Terrible story. She was like friends with him. He was like some loser from her workplace who had a stutter, and she was nice to him. Big mistake. He like kidnapped her in his car and like drove out to a military base and started beating the shit out of her, tried to kill her.

Oh my God, I remember. It's such a crazy story. It's a crazy story.

Yeah, and I guess he wasn't a serial killer yet, right? She was gonna be his first victim, but she fought so hard. He chopped off two of her fingers. Oh my God, it was a crazy story.

Oh my God, that's insane.

Yeah, it really was.

Actually, speaking of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, sort of our next story, White Lotus season 4 cast, sort of, sort of, because they've casted Laura Dern not to exactly replace Helena Bonham Carter, but this new character that they're developing instead in place of Helena Bonham Carter. However, the rumor wheel was swirling at one point that it would be Jennifer Tilly cast as Helena's replacement, and let me just tell you, this is a missed opportunity.

I completely agree.

With all respect to Ms.

Dern, even though Jennifer Tilly is so similar to Helena Bonham Carter that if what their statement said was true, then they'd need someone different. Like, Laura Dern is very different from Helena.

Yeah, no, and it would like just prove that it was more of a personality conflict, because here we go, we have another quirky— yeah, you know, uh, ethereal actress.

Yeah, but this put like a seed in my head, like, I need Jennifer Tilly on a season of White Lotus. It doesn't have to be this, but I'm so here for the resurgence of Jennifer Tilly's acting career. She's one of my favorite people like I've ever discovered through Bravo, and she has so much lore outside of her Bravo tenure. It's like the least interesting thing about her. The Simpsons, Chucky, like just everything. Did she win an Oscar?

I think so, or a nominee.

Remember she was talking about nominated for an Academy Award for what? Broadway. Oh, Broadway.

She's also in Ace Ventura.

Oh my God, she's in Ace Ventura: Pet Detective! You're right, she's the love interest, right? Yeah, that movie's so good. First of all, no, she's so iconic.

Yeah, she really is. So Laura Dern, it just feels like she's already been in White Lotus, like 1,000%. She's an amazing actress. It's just like a little uninspired, but I don't want to like throw shade. It's just, it doesn't excite me, you know? And now it's like instead of getting like a type Z character of the quirky older woman. Like, we're getting very Type A, you know. She plays like Renata, like, my daughter needs to get into school.

Amabel's mom, for sure. It's a safe choice. It's not going to be bad. But I liked the route we were going down initially with the more quirky, eccentric Jennifer Tilly type.

Mm-hmm.

But this just reminds— like, if you are a showrunner, if you work in casting right now, there's clearly huge demand for Jennifer Tilly. So like, put her in.

Put her in Coach. I would even say Lisa Rinna too.

Yeah, even though Lisa Rinna is not a, like, extremely skilled actress, and she's such a big personality, and she's so recognizable with the lips and the hair, I think it's very hard to suspend disbelief and watch her pretend to be anything other than Lisa Rinna now. Yeah.

What do you think about back in the day though?

Well, that was before she was like Lisa fucking Rinna and had like the lips and like the cultural cachet.

Yeah, yeah. I also think like the, the fact like Traders was like bad for her resume in terms of acting.

Abso-fucking-lutely. That was one of the worst performances. And you know who should go into acting?

Rob.

Correct. Literally anyone else. Colton. Like literally anyone but Lisa.

Yeah.

She should stick to hosting and reality TV and fashion.

Yeah, not good for her acting chops.

It was not a ringing endorsement by any means. It's so true.

Well, congrats to Laura Dern, the part a million girls would have killed for.

Quite literally.

Once again, once again, I saw something else interesting on my morning scroll.

Vogue is really leaning into, um, The Devil Wears Prada of it all. They have a podcast that's hosted by the new swirly— what's her name?

The new editor-in-chief, Chloe. Yeah, that sounds right.

It's a podcast. I don't know how frequently they release. It's the first time I've ever seen it. And she was sitting down with the real-life Emily, and she was talking about Lauren Weissberg. Is that her name? Yeah, the girl who wrote the book, who's like the Andy character. Devil Wears Prada, people might not even know, is based on a book of like a real girl who was Anna Wintour's assistant. Emily is also a real person. And she talks about how they found out about the book for the very first time. Anna calls her into her office and she's like, do you remember a Lauren Weisberg? And she's like, yeah, kind of. And they— she's writing a book about us. And actually, I only saw one clip, but it did look good and it kind of made me wanna watch it.

That does sound good. But she worked there a long time in the movie, right? Like maybe 8 months or so.

Andy. Yeah, yeah.

So they would remember her.

Yeah, I don't think Anna would have remembered her if not for this book.

No, no, no. Of course the movie makes it seem like she would, you know, she's the one that got away.

And you know what's so funny, it's like I've seen quite literally no interviews with the author. I feel like this day and age when a book gets adapted, they're everywhere. She's very quiet.

I know. And what's also funny is she wrote a sequel, When Life Gives You Lululemons. It's like a sequel adjacent, but Emily is equal. Yes, yes, it's—

I read it. It's when they moved to Connecticut.

They don't move to Connecticut. It's about like a— some senator's wife or whatever, but like she needs PR, and then I think Emily is like a big-time PR.

Oh, I think you're right. It's like a spin-off.

It's a spin-off. It's so good, by the way.

It is. It's— it's— I did read it.

They should— no, no, you, dear reader, should read it. And they should make that into a movie.

Yeah, but not connect it with Devil Wears Prada. No, no, no. Like, it didn't need to be Emily's character. Like, it was just a girl who works in PR, and it was a good book.

Yeah, it was. It had like a cute connection to Devil Wears Prada and to obviously a good author, so it was good.

Yeah, but I would love to hear from Lauren, Lauren Self. And at the time of the film, like the original movie, was there any interviews with her ever about her time and her connection and what did she think of— I would love to hear from these people, right?

I have no idea.

I would love to know. Yeah, they should get her on the Vogue podcast, but I'm sure she's persona non grata.

You think?

Even though they're all like lapping it up, they're leaning into like the fictionalized version, but I think the actual book like was quite scathing.

Yeah, yeah. Our next story, a crazy update in the sports scandal that is rocking the world. Are you ready for today's news between Diana Rossini and Mike Vrabel.

I am, but I have to speak my truth that you don't care. Not only is this story like do nothing for me, like I literally do not care. I do not follow, I do not know these people. Like, I, I actually hate it now. Why?

Because I'm being forced to pretend to care, you know, on this show, you mean?

Mm-hmm. Okay, I don't want to be like a naysayer, so I will talk about it, but I want everyone to know like I hate these people and I don't care.

I don't know these people, so I don't like— it's not even about the people for me, like, oh my God, a reporter and the coach, like, that's— but just the way that they've gone about their affair over the last 6 years, everything that comes out is crazier than the next, including the Suns Spotify playlist. And now it's the Spotify playlist. Yeah, so according to Spotify playlist, Diana Rossini tried to help Mike Vrabel get over a 4-game losing streak with a mediocre Spotify playlist. At least that's what the internet believes after the NFL Insider streaming activity surfaced on Monday. So Someone found that she had made a Spotify playlist in December of 2022 called Turn in the Page, and she shared that playlist with a user named Mike. It just so happens that that date coincides with a 4-game Titans losing streak, the game that the team that he was coaching for. So she like made him a playlist in 2022.

She made him a mixtape.

Yeah, a bunch of like inspirational songs to like get him out of his funk, and that's 2022.

Well, maybe if she had put The Sun Is Rising by Britt Nicole on, he would've started winning his tournament. That is the most inspiring song. If you need to listen to one song, like to change your life, like you're about to embark on this huge— what's the most inspiring song you've ever heard? I have a few. Britt Nicole is up there. I feel like that Mary J. Blige song, you said I'll never be a leader. Doubt, I think it's called.

Yeah, Doubt. That's good. That's a really good one. Of course, like, The Climb is the most inspirational. The Climb, that should have been on her playlist.

Taking Chances by Celine Dion. This is our Diana, Rubel, whatever her name is. This is our mixtape.

This is our Mike playlist. But you would just think, like, two people—

and then, sorry, Brokenhearted by Carmen.

Well, that's only if he wants to go on the treadmill.

Yeah, right.

You would think two people engaging in an affair, like, would be a little more covert to title the playlist Mike.

They're boomers. Like, they don't know that things can that their Spotify podcast can be followed. Like, they don't know these things. I didn't even know that, honestly.

Yeah, but also they probably thought at the time they're known people, but they're kind of private, they're random. It's like, it's not like they're celebrities. They're not known celebrities engaging in an illicit affair where they have to use code names and whatnot. So like, I don't think they ever thought it would get out there that anyone would care. And so they were just the breadcrumbs are loaves, as we say, because they are boomers who don't know anything.

And like I don't think they thought people would ever care this much. And to be clear, I don't even like—

no, I, I care about the way that they've moved over the last 6 years. It's really the craziest thing I've ever seen.

I kind of ship. It's like a very long-standing relationship, but the kid thing is—

they're like both married. He's still married. He was like just caught like buying a gift for his wife.

Mm-hmm.

So I don't know, business is—

where do we go from here? Yeah, business as usual.

Yeah, I actually had a dream that I was up for the job of, um, Patriots head coach.

Not you making the situation about yourself.

No, I know, but I just came back to me like, I guess this story has infiltrated my dreams. And I clearly— and I had a dream that I was up for the role of head coach. And it was a very—

did you get it?

It was— I woke up, it was very much like a Ted Lasso situation where it's like, of course I'm not—

let's bring in the podcaster—

I'm not equipped for the role. But like, they saw so many of my other skills as being like really great for coaching, right?

I kind of feel that, right?

I think I'd be a good coach. Um, better teacher. Coaches need like a lot of energy. It's very physical, a lot of standing. I'd rather be a teacher.

Yeah, unless like— is there a job where you could coach sitting down?

Yeah, they don't have chairs.

Yeah, they have a bench that doesn't have like a good back support. I need a lumbar. Absolutely. I need a pillow too.

Are you ready for our next story, our fourth story? I am. Um, just actors being weird. Actors being weird. Charlize Theron and Taron Egerton were, quote, forced to take baths next to each other while making their new movie.

What, like cold plunges? Or like—

no, like there was one bathtub.

I just want to say Charlize Theron is pissing me off. She said that Timothée Chalamet thing, and then I don't know if you saw that, like, she was asked about it, like 'What did you mean when you said like AI is going to take the jobs of actors but not live performers?' And she was like, 'I don't even really know what I meant by that. I was just trying to hurt Timothée.' Like, okay, you're literally 20 years older than him and you are not a part of this conversation.

Trying to hurt Timothée.

Yeah, like leave Timothée alone.

Timothée, there's no real path for him to be on Meme's Take. That's about it.

Let's think. Well, I, I plan on having more children, so—

Oh my God, imagine. Well, then you'd have to have a tailor.

So we could have Taylor Swift. Yeah, absolutely.

Um, I guess like no Kardashians could be on Namesake.

No.

Okay, it is what it is, you know.

Let me think, hold on. Any of the kids?

I was just trying to think of the kids.

No. Yeah, we should shut the podcast down. Wait, you've had one. We could— this is gonna be a little controversial, okay? We could have Caitlin, formerly shares a name with my father-in-law Bruce Offer.

I think it works. I think it works.

There's a very light connection, but that is the tie.

And I think that's what's so great about namesake. It's like you don't get to choose who you're going to talk to because you don't get to choose your family and you don't get to choose your name.

So it'll— that'll be like the title, like Namesake, because you don't get to choose your name. Yeah.

And I also think like other shows that can have any guests on, like, it just becomes so like routine and monotonous. Like, I think having guests on is so boring, like, because you can have anyone on, like, yawn. But I find when you have like parameters that you have to work within in anything that you do, you know, like a theme party, like it just, there's so much more options for creativity as opposed to just having like your pick of the litter. I was actually just saw a reel about like interior design and this designer was like, oftentimes some of the projects that have like a lot of limits, like whether it's like the spacing or the small space or you know, there's a thing you're forced, you're forced to get creative. And that's what Namesake is. Absolutely a forced creation. Okay, well, Charlize and Taron could not come on Namesake, but they did share in their new movie.

By the way, Charlize could come on. Charlie.

Charlie. Also, I got a text from our producer that, um, Charlie from Love Island—

Charlie is what inspired—

it might have been what inspired Namesake.

Okay, but I think we could skip him, honestly. Yeah, like now, at this point, I guess we missed the boat. Yeah.

Okay, so they said that they were on set, the grueling New South Wales shoot. They found an unusual way to relax. Our one little bit of luxury that we had was we each had a bath. Do you remember that? We had a little bath each, a little hot tub, because we spent so much time in water that particularly if you're not shooting when the sun's high in the sky, you get cold and you sick, so we had to sit in a hot bath. We'd sit side by side, that was cute, and Charlize would kind of feed me— it's not jerky, biltong, traditional South African biltong— and we would sit anon biltong to try and keep in our sinewy climbers physiques. Just think of Brooks. Think of Brooks.

I find people—

stay strong for Brooks.

It's true. Actually, I think stories like this are really important, if I'm being honest, because I think a lot of times, especially us, you know, we wake up every day and our job is to like talk about celebrities, and you know, you sometimes you get swept up in it. You think these people are so great, and I just feel like it's important to be brought— like moments like this, like to bring you back down to like how these people are genuinely brain dead, like, and they're weird, and they are weird, and they like like to do things like this and make us think it's normal. Or they're either like dramatizing it, like, because now I'm like, well, you naked in the bath, right?

I would think so. Like, why are you taking a bath in a bathing suit every night?

And like, where are there two bath— what is this, a Cialis commercial? There are two baths next to each other. Like, where else would you have two baths?

I don't know. I'm thinking it's like an outdoor bath situation.

So then it's a hot tub, right? Yeah, like stopping So they're just like trying to be provocative. Like, you were in a hot tub with your co-star, that's not that weird. You're taking a bath next to your co-star, that's weird.

Yeah, yeah.

And I just didn't even know how to report on stories like this. Like, okay, cool.

I think it was before—

you're cool.

It was before he met Brooks though, so hopefully she can straighten him out.

And do you feel like Charlize Theron— I, I feel like I'm always saying her name wrong.

That's like me and Helena Bonham Carter right now. I say it different every time.

Helena, Helena, Charlize Theron.

Charlize Theron.

I don't know, it doesn't sound right.

Charlize. Go with Charlize.

Let's just say Charlize. Don't you feel— tell me if you agree with this— like, as a, you know, as a person that I am, the life that I've lived, her career, her cultural impact, her media, her art has just missed me completely.

Well, yeah.

Um, she feels so random to me, but she's like literally one of the most critically acclaimed actresses of our time. I don't think I've seen her in one thing ever.

The Italian Job.

Never saw it. You never saw it? It's so good. Really?

You should watch it. You would like it because it's like Kingsman, sort of. Like, if you're— oh, and I know you like Kingsman. You're always looking for like Kingsman-like movies.

I'm, I'm always like, I'm consistently chasing the high that I felt when I watched Kingsman for the first time. Yeah, Kingsman 2 helped. It did. I think they're making a series. I hope so.

Um, but yeah, she's in like Mad Max, Mystus, Atomic Blonde.

I didn't watch that either.

What made her— Monster Missed Fate of the Fast and the Furious.

Nope.

I also still didn't see Bombshell, so missed me.

Oh, I saw Bombshell. Yeah, yeah. Who does she play? Not Megyn Kelly, the other one.

Uh, I don't know, I didn't see it yet.

She plays one of the, one of the women. Yep. Okay, I've seen Charlize Theron.

Gretchen.

Yes, Carlson. No, that's the country singer.

No, I feel like that's Gretchen Wilson. Gretchen Carlson sounds right.

Yeah, I saw it. It was a good movie.

Yeah, I agree. I've missed a lot of this.

She plays Megyn Kelly.

She does play Megyn Kelly. That's a pretty good casting.

Yeah, and, um, it was a good movie. I don't know why I feel like I'm always talking about that movie.

Really? I don't feel like— I always forget about that movie because every time I remember it, I'm like, oh, I need to watch it, and then I just completely forget again, right? I'm not seeing Italian Job here, but I know she was in it. You really should watch it, Claudia. Ben would like it too. Like, add it to your, like, movie night list.

It's so good. I'm still trudging through that 14-hour Rick Burns New York doc.

Take a break, treat yourself.

I did, I did. I watched Your Friends and Neighbors season 2.

Oh, true. Okay, well, time for our fifth and final story, which will lead into our Summer House recap.

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Our next story, fifth and final, leading into the TV recap. Cap. Kyle Cook is blasting Wes Wilson for letting Amanda Batula take a brutal beatdown at the Summer House reunion. So Kyle responded to a fan tweet. The tweet said— the fans said Wes explicitly asked that any criticism be directed at him rather than Amanda on his podcast. Wes then proceeded to sit silent and all three audio clips leaked. Kyle responded saying, he's all PR and zero intention or integrity. The reunion was a brutal beatdown and I can't recall a moment when he had Amanda's back.

Yeah, um, I think that that was clear from the leaks, even though of course it was, you know, 3 minutes of a 10-hour day. I think it was probably reflective of like the overall vibe.

And we know, we know that he does that, he shuts down. Yeah, I just would have thought he would have tried a different route because he did do that 2 years ago and he was such a loser sneeze for it. So I would have thought, and he, it like really, his cues were obviously like a trauma response, like he can't Help it. He's just like sad and sullen. His Q score went to a zero after that, so I would have thought he would try something different this time, but that is his reflex, is to operate like that when he is getting criticism.

Now, this week's episode sort of further cemented, at least for me, the theory that Wes and Sierra are like well on their way to getting back together. Um, and it's crazy how like the second they forgive one another, there's no awkward period. Like, they're just back, like, hugging and holding and lingering and staring. And I, I am really curious if, if they decide not to, because this is July.

But if we take Wes Mandeville out of it, if I'm just watching the show, like, she is very silly for that. I do— I am glad that she forgave him. I hope that they can be friends. They can't But he does still does not want to date, even when he's going on this double date with Sabrina, Sabrina and Ben. He in his confessionals is reticent. He's like, this feels like a lot very soon, you know. He's still the same fucking guy. He's not like, please forgive me, give me another chance, I really like you. He's just like, please forgive me, nice to me, I like you, and I want to be friends with you, and I want to have my cake and eat it too. But if she's not capable of not of speaking to him without really like falling for him, then she does need to still have that wall up because they're literally just going down the same path, a path that he still does not want to walk towards. Even in everything that he did, he was never like, I wish I gave us a real chance, I wish I didn't, can you give me another chance?

Like, he still just wants to like do watch parties and fuck around.

Yep. And so the— it's just an impossible situation for Sierra because she has to work with this person and live with this person. So I do feel bad for her and Yeah, you kind of just want to shake her, being like, don't— this guy was just making out with somebody next to you. Like, don't give him the benefit of the doubt. But she's just like so in love with him, and that's really just what it— it's, it's, it's hard to watch. She's so sweet and she's trying her best.

No, it's hard because in a regular situation, like, if you're in love with someone that doesn't want to be with you like that, or that's just bad for you, like, you can walk away. No, you just like cut them off. Like, you if you're not around them, it doesn't hurt as much. Like, you can move on. It's really hard to just like stop being in love with someone.

No, and she cut him off while also like being in the same house with him. It's impossible.

No, it's hard enough to stop being in love with someone. It's incredibly hard when you have to see them every other weekend, be in a house with them, do press with them all year long. You're around them and you just love them more. So I don't fault her. I just— and I also, I understand why she doesn't want to be in the situation of being mad at him still, because like That's— who wants to be like the big curmudgeon in the house? It's not a fun way to feel. Everyone's having fun and you either have to like ignore it, you know, you want to be— and those are her friends too. So I like, yes, and I think she should have forgiven him, but I don't know where they go from here because they can't be friends at this level because he will disappoint her and hurt her again. And look what he's done.

Yeah, so of course, like, now knowing what we know, but in this moment, like, I can't fault her, but it's sort of like watching a train wreck. Yeah. Um, I thought the Softbar opening was really sweet. I feel very warm towards Carl. Um, you know, personal biases aside, I still don't think it's like the greatest business idea, but like, it's very pretty. I don't— you know, as long as it's attached to Summer House, you know, anything they do like will be successful for the time being. But I just don't know like how successful a bar that serves no alcohol can be. But the the meaning behind it is so beautiful that like, I really, I, I want it to be successful. I hope that maybe, I hope that it is.

Maybe it will be. It seems like he has good like systems in place, good infrastructure. I think all of his fundraising and everything like amounted to everything that it should have amounted to. He has a real space. He, he really did it. And you know, like different strokes for different folks. Like people like stuff that you or I might not like. And this could, it's like, it could in Greenpoint. Like there might be like a community for it. Yes.

It being in Greenpoint, like where people just think differently in Brooklyn. You know, like they have like a very like kind of like a laissez-faire approach to life. It could work. I really wanted to. I was—

but I was also thinking like, damn, if this place just sold alcohol, I feel like it'd be a really successful bar.

Yeah, of course. Um, couple of things about the—

I guess they could always just like sell alcohol. No, no.

Couple of things. So many actually. One, I love that they're not selling Loverboy, cuz like first of all, the whole thing is that it's like functional drinks, and Loverboy is like actually made of rat piss. Like they absolutely shouldn't serve it or put it in their mocktails, and I respect Carl for not. Two, it did feel like a launching pad for In the City. You know, we saw a bunch of faces. Yeah, I thought it was very like Sheena Shay walking from SUR into Vanderpump Rules.

It actually would have been a great finale.

Yes, it should have, and then we can leave with Lexi and, uh, Andrea.

But also, two weeks from this episode is the, like, opening to the public, so maybe it'll be another one, right?

Right, right.

Um, oh, but Carl is not on In the City.

I know, and he was like talking publicly about how bummed he was about that.

Yeah, well then why don't you wife up Bailey and get on the show?

Get a girlfriend. Like, that's the key. And that's what we were saying, like, we're— married people are becoming interesting things to like The Valley, Shahs of Sunset, In the City type of genre, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Um, so yeah, just get a girlfriend. And Bailey, they were asking her on Watch What Happens Live, um, Lindsay really endorses them as a couple, and she— I didn't have high hopes. She was like, oh yeah, like, I love him, he's so sweet. Like, if you were dating someone, you wouldn't say I love him.

I know. And it's like so much time has passed since the summer when they were like burgeoning, so it's either gone nowhere or it's not going anywhere. I, I—

yeah, I can't remember a time I ever felt such physical discomfort from watching something on TV than I did watching Lindsay talk to Carl's mom. I kind of wanted to shake her because she was being a little rude.

Like, I understand what the text said.

What text? It was sweet. It was like after they broke up, it was just like, uh, like a conclusion, like, I hope you're, you know, doing well. It wasn't bad.

Okay, but at what point did Carl's mom like talk shit about Lindsay? Because like Lindsay obviously dislikes her for a reason. Was it when they were gonna get married?

It was on the— both. It was on the show, like the—

on the porch when Carl went home, like before the wedding, and they're like, yes.

Yeah. And it's also just awkward, right? Like, that's your ex, soon to be mother-in-law. She was a little rude. Like, this is like an older woman. Like, you could be a little bit respectful. Um, but I'm sorry, she's so funny. Like, she really is so funny. And it was hard. It was genuinely like physically painful to watch.

Yeah.

I had to like unclench afterwards.

I have to ref— I'm gonna give Lindsay the benefit of the doubt, and I feel like if I got a refresher on what that woman did and also things that we don't know, that her reaction would be justified.

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. And also like the, the business of calling off a wedding is super awkward with money and stuff, so I'm sure there's a lot that we don't know that would warrant that. Yeah, she's not like a mean person actually at all. She's drama, she's funny, but she's not mean. It was hard to watch.

Yeah, it was just very awkward.

And I loved her leaving without saying hello to Danielle. I just can't stand that girl.

Yeah, well, she'll do that on In the City.

Yeah, right, we'll save that conversation for next season.

So then there were a couple other like breadcrumbs, and Andy was doing this.

They were trying to— they were They're trying to make more of it than what it was.

The cast is starting to really suspect that Wes and Amanda had something brewing over the summer. Now, I think Lindsay makes a really good point where it's like, I do feel like maybe an emotional connection is blossoming, and maybe things did not get physical until after her separation announcement, but like, there is some sort of pull between the two of them. And I also feel like Amanda's reactions to things that Sierra is saying about Wes are starting to change, or maybe I'll have to go rewatch the old ones, but like, I—

maybe she was always—

or we just like, you know, the benefit of like hindsight and we're like, oh, I see it on your face, you're not happy for her.

Yeah, because I feel like some of the things from last night's episode people are making more of, like the text about the best weekend ever. I know what Amanda's saying, like, oh, everyone's having the best weekend ever and I'm not there. Like, and I, I didn't think it was like, West, you're having fun without me. I didn't think that. I just thought it was like, oh, the weekend I decided to not to come, everybody starts having fun. Like, excuse me. Yeah, I know what she meant by that. Um, so I do think people are looking into it, into some things more than others.

But I think that some people do need to ask themselves why it was the best night ever.

Like, which people? Kyle?

No, like, yeah, it's not a coincidence.

I just want to say, loving Kyle. Like, seriously, loving Kyle.

It's not a coincidence. She's been there every weekend. They go out one time without her and it's the best night ever.

She is fabissima. Obviously, yeah, she— I don't think that's the energy like you really want to be around, whether you're a friend or your husband.

It's so funny how like before West Mandeville, when Kyle said like, I'm having the best weekend ever and it's because my wife's not here, like yelling at me, like people would be like, you're disgusting.

And you know, tomato, tomato.

And I was like, you're right, she's terrible, she is the problem. So you just can't take anything seriously.

But it is relatively sweet that in his own way, like, he does still publicly defend Amanda. Like, even that tweet that you were just referencing is like, yeah, you are sleeping with my ex-wife, but like, and you don't— and he's still defending her, being like, you're not even like gonna have her back. Yeah, he definitely— based on the clips, it definitely sounds like he hung her the fuck out to dry. And when we think about their crimes, her crime is worse. She does have more to answer for. I think also as a woman, like, people just expect more of you.

They expect you to be smarter and like to not operate like— follow your horniness wherever it takes you.

Yeah, that's what men do, and like why they're low IQ individuals. Like, we expect women to just like control themselves, to control themselves, to do better, to honor friendships, to, to, to live by some sort of moral code. And it's clear based on what we know about Wes, he doesn't do that ever. So we expect very little of him. The bar is in hell, and he told us that about himself multiple times. Multiple times. Um, So she does get more of the heat, but you would want your boyfriend. I can't believe she left with him. I would seriously— like, you hung me out to dry and we're living together?

But she's gonna fight with the wrong person.

Yeah, no, they have to. Sorry, they have to. They only have each other.

Like, and like, she did all of this for him.

I've been seeing also some clips of Jesse Solomon on tour, and I just want to say I'm also having a change of heart. Like, I love him. I think we should all stream his music. Like, I feel bad for him. Like, and the music thing is cute. It is. Yeah, yes, I'll start.

And he just owes Lexi an apology, and then we can really—

oh, fuck, I forgot about Lexi. Thank you. I'm back to hating him.

And the thing is, no, it's like, people can make mistakes, sure, and I can move on from it, but like, no one acknowledges that like wrongdoing was done to her. So until we acknowledge it and at least apologize, we'll never make it right, because like—

and I just want to say, everybody in the house owes Lexi an apology, not just Jesse.

I agree, I agree completely.

Loving Sabrina and Ben and like Ben being so giddy. Oh, that was weird. Like, why is he so personally invested in Wes and Sierra? Is it because Sierra and Sabrina are becoming friendly and he's excited about him and Wes like maybe double dating? Like, don't you feel like the two of them are a little too personally like invested and excited in the two of them?

Oh, maybe I missed that because I was doing some like personal admin on my computer during the soft bar opening. But I— my take was just like Sabrina like is just enthusiastic in general.

Yeah.

And does really like Sierra. So, and you know, Wes is his buddy, so like he's just down for— I think he's just down for whatever Sabrina says is a good idea.

Okay.

You know?

Okay.

What a weird one that guy is. Like, yeah, came on like Bachelor of Australia.

Like, well, so a lot of people, just based on the timeline, there is a conspiracy going around that like him and Sabrina like were seeing each other before, but just like to get himself on the show and like to be a little bit more attractive to viewers or to the castmates. He played single and then brought his girlfriend in, and now she's a full-time cast member, and I love her.

Yeah, that doesn't bother me at all.

No, do what you have to do. Yeah, but it does sound like a likely theory.

Yeah, because remember last season's Bailey got like kicked off for hiding a boyfriend, right? Maybe she just didn't play her cards right, or maybe like her boyfriend wasn't as interesting as Sabrina.

And then Levi's like throwing a party for Bailey.

I can't actually listen to you say— call her Levi because like, because like I'm just like, wait, Levi's having my party? Wait, yeah, when's Levi's party?

Power Rangers theme. So like, it's like, it's— that's where namesake becomes confusing.

Yeah, but I think that's where— that's like, that's where—

that's the beauty.

That's like when you like push through, that's where you get right from the top, the challenging times.

Yeah, yeah. So all in all, it was actually a boring episode and week. Watch Happens Live was like not salacious.

Oh, Lindsay's wearing the, the, the, the— what? Yeah, explain.

Like, what was on Watch Happens Live? He wore this like horsehair tie that like was just him being quirky, and it was made by this girl who's like based in Chicago. And that was the episode where he just like bald face lied, like really, to everyone. And Turns out that the girl who makes the ties is like the Chicago-based designer who Wes was actually seeing. She's one of the girls. Remember when Amanda was saying, you know, and it wasn't right because obviously I was still technically married and Wes was still seeing other people? Um, I don't know if he's still seeing other people, but she's one of the girls people put together. They found her Instagram that she wears a tie and he wears a tie and whatever. So I guess Lindsay's just like wearing the tie.

She said like she's being a girl's girl. Which girl?

I'm not sure, actually.

I guess that's tea, but like, it was really— I could tell Andy hated it, and it's really ugly and distracting to look at. Like, it like ruined her outfit.

I agree. It's like pubes.

It's disgusting. Like a horse's tail.

It's disgusting.

So I, I don't know that the point was well made, but I won't question anything Lindsay does.

Mother Hubbard does. Agreed.

Yeah.

Well, that is your Summer House recap. That is our show. Yeah, well, the place looks beautiful. It always does.

How did we ever end without that? Like, what did we used to say?

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