Transcript of Guess I'll Start Being Me: Wednesday, April 22nd, 2026 New

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Actually, we have a lot to do today because this summer house episode that was gonna Break the Internet premiered last night, and I know we were all disappointed because it wasn't the greatest episode of television that I ever saw, but I do understand like why Andy uttered the words that he uttered. Unfortunately, they just had an effect that was so much bigger than what the episode actually was. But last night's episode really does make the West-Amanda-Sierra situation so much worse.

Like, yeah, there are people who say like, that's your situationship from 2 years ago, but I think if you've been watching even with half an eye, it's like so clear Sierra is still in love with West, even this summer, even for this scene. So like, I didn't need that. Like, I understood the depths of this portrayal. But yeah, maybe there were some like people out there who needed to see that.

I watched it. That now we're seeing them get on the right foot, we're seeing all of the love between them. Like, in the final conversation, like, they're just crying and they, they just like, like each other so much as friends. And for her, definitely more, but that's not a possibility. And the fact that Amanda is the middleman— she's on the fucking FaceTime while he's apologizing, she's she's the one telling him to apologize. And that is what's so crazy, that it's her. The Weston-Sierra situation is the situation. It's so crazy that it's her.

So I think I interpreted Andy's hype as just having to do with like Amanda being weird, and she didn't even come. So like, that's why I was just immediately sort of like, okay, we've been Alan Cummings'd. It was a good episode. It was a great episode of Watch What Happens Live too. I don't know if you watched it with Jesse Solomon.

Oh my God, and Kristin Cavallari. Of course they ship. Like, she can't literally walk into a room with a man without a ship following kind.

Guess I'll start being me. I have a lot of thoughts. Ben and I watched it. Um, we'll get into it. I'm sure that's a story, right?

The first story, so we can sort of get it off our chest, because that's sort of like what's weighing heavily on me today.

I also watched Jeopardy. I don't know if you know, but like, there's a guy— I just, I'm like late to it, like I haven't been on my Jeopardy game, but I heard all the buzz. He's like on his 27th win, and he's now in 5th place, like behind Ken Jennings of most times won and most amount of money. He's at like over $750,000.

Wow. Yeah, that's very cool. You know what I watched a little bit of last night? I did something crazy last night.

You watched a little bit of—

you will never guess, really, unless you know like what happened to come on after Watch What Happens Live last night.

You, Rory?

No.

What?

I'm, I'm a little embarrassed that you watched Beyond the Villa.

It was on Bravo.

It was on Bravo last night on cable. Beyond the Villa, the like Love Island.

I know, I know, I know, I know.

And it was like all of my people were there, right?

We watched very— we were heavily involved in the most recent season of Love Island.

Iris, Pepe, TJ, Hannah, Taylor.

So I saw like that— what? I picked Clark. I saw that one clip of, um, like really painful to watch. Like genuinely, I want— I'm thinking of filing a class action lawsuit for like the brain cells and just like the time I had to spend watching that clip of Hannah coming in, "Loser, you're such a loser," where she like comes in to like argue with Pepe. Um, it was just painful and like this really shut her down. Yeah, and like, didn't—

you could say was loser.

Loser.

It was interesting because like at one point so many— and weirdly the people who are on the show are kind of my faves, like TJ and Iris, Charlie, Jeremiah. Yeah, and the thing— and so I'm watching the show and like this show was the— Love Island this summer and the summer before, like, were the biggest shows that ever happened, ever, never, ever. And now you literally can't pay people to watch Beyond the Villa.

I know, and I don't know why it has like the most sad sort of vibe to it because at a time— and you know what, like, I feel like Clark and Taylor never got their sort of flowers. Like, they are one of the last remaining couples. And yeah, he was like, you know, so mean to Alandria, but like, I'm sorry, he chose love and he's still with her. So again, these are people who deserve to be followed and like have their stories told, but like, I don't care.

No. And It's a great premise for a show. Like, let's follow the people who all fell in love with and have millions of followers and they all live in LA and let's give them a— it's brilliant. I don't know why I don't want to watch it. I don't know why no one else wants to watch it. And I started watching it last night and I was like, no.

I think they need to quicken the turnaround time because like, remember when people were getting sent home and they were like actively making TikToks and stuff while the show was still going on? Like, their, their star drops so quickly. Like, you— and the second you get home, you just automatically— even if you were beloved, like, you automatically just become like a loser. And so now, 7 months later, however many months, like, we really don't care.

We don't. But I think they should keep doing the show because I think it's like, makes a sense to do it.

It does.

It makes a sense.

Yeah.

But I don't know who's watching. So anyways, I got—

I can't believe you watch.

I know, I know. Well, it was just like on after Watch What Happens Live, and I was puttering around.

I don't understand that they played it on Bravo.

Peacock.

Oh, it came up on Peacock after you're saying Peacock.

It's a Peacock show.

And I know shows on Peacock then, but they never played Love Island on Bravo. Like, it's just weird.

It's all part of the family, so they're cousins.

Yeah, but Love Island is not a Bravo show.

No, no, but their cousins were on.

It's weird.

It's like the niece and nephew of Bravo. And I don't know, I, I think they found the right audience in me if there ever was gonna be one. And it was funny, Zach was with me and like he watched that Love Island, the end of it, with us. The season, yeah. I don't even think he knew that that's who those people were, honestly.

I know, it's been so long.

He didn't say anything.

I assume Nick Landria are like too good for the show.

Nick is not on the show, nor is Orlanndria, and neither of them are a part of Nickalandria. It's not a thing.

Yeah, I feel good about the fact that like when eventually, like in 5 years' time, when like they come out and share like it was a completely fake staged relationship, I will feel good knowing like I never bought into it and I wasn't afraid to speak my truth either.

I will never forget when Love Island was airing. That was when you were in the beginning, you were on maternity leave, so I was doing like guest co-hosts in June. And Natalie Viall came on the show and she was watching Love Island too and recapping it, and I was telling her, do you know there's a group of people Who's—

before Nick and Alandria even got together.

No, there's a group of people who stan Nick and Alandria, and they showed her like some of the fan edits. We were on the floor, like how this could never happen. It was the most far-flung thing. And the fact that like that's the takeaway from the season is— I know, easy.

And I am glad that like this farce of a relationship like gave us Alandria. Like I don't see Nick anywhere, which I'm grateful for. Like I don't need to see him, but she is like constantly elevating. She goes to fashion shows, she speaks on panels.

Being a part of Nickalandria is holding her back. One in a sense it like ties her to now. Yeah. And two, like, I want her to be single and meet someone of her caliber.

Yeah, the relationship definitely like was a launching pad for her, and that's fine, but we know it's not real. And like, just cancel it so you can maybe like date someone.

Yeah, it must be famous. It must be laundry being—

it's lonely. It's Nickelodeon.

Part of Nickelodeon. And not that I like him, but I feel bad for Nick too because he cannot smooch one girl while he's a part of Nickolandria because he will get— yeah, at least he's smart enough to know that.

That's true, but I feel like the benefits of being a part of this fake relationship are not nearly as great for Nick as they are for Elantra. So like, I don't know why he's still participating. Like, I do think they should just call it quits.

Being attached to like the most fabulous, greatest person to come off the show— like, he's otherwise like just a random on Beyond the Villa. Like, it's very good for him, but like, that's a man who's dedicated to his career and the hustle that he would forego really romance and sex, I would say, for 8 months for his career.

It's admirable. I love to see, you know, a hustle. I just like— I hate, hate, hate him.

He should try that.

And it was so interesting watching Jesse on, um, he was being really open, and of many of the things that he said were, were like kind of groundbreaking, but one of the things that he said was that he's expecting Wes to be really defensive at the reunion, not, you know, coming groveling, you know, eating shit, taking accountability. And he's really coming defensively about the timeline. And it's like, okay, so the first time he spoke out, he spoke out the timeline. Jesse said like his number one topic is the timeline. He's getting his receipts in order. And that's like the least small— that's the smallest problem here. Nobody thinks that.

I'm operating in late Feb. Like nobody thinks that. I hate—

that's what Jesse said.

I hate when people go to the extremes like that. And they only address the most extreme allegations. And it's like, nobody's over there, we're all over here, let's talk about the thing. And I honestly, I hope he comes in more defensive, because if he comes in with his like mumbling contrite apology—

I'm bad, I'm bummed out that I hurt you—

like, that's not interesting to watch. Like, say with your chest why'd you do what you did and that you keep doing it.

And I guess like, Amanda— they're taking different approaches. Like, Amanda has like sat down with people, is apologizing, and like Wes is just sort of defensive. Guess who'll start?

Who'd she sit down and apologize to?

Jesse.

She did, or she texted him?

I think they sat down for coffee.

I saw like DeMaximo posting that they had sat down a while ago, but I thought that was when she lied to his face. He had said—

oh well, DeMaximo put together that that was actually like the coffee in question.

The coffee of lying to the face?

No, the coffee of Apologies.

Okay, well, let's get into the stories because we're getting into the stories as we do.

Wait, anything else I just want to like talk about? Oh, I finally got my Coppers of Strangers, Bell Burden. I'll be starting it today. Like 5 days for a book on Amazon? That's insane.

Burden?

What did I say?

I don't know, it sounded like Coppers of Strangers, Bell Burden, which I knew what you meant.

Um, that's not what I said. Roll the tapes.

No, maybe you said it something else, but it's like how Concrete Jungle, Wet Dream, Tomato Sounds like copper.

Laurel Yanny, copper.

Stranger Spellburden.

I got my copy of Stranger Spellburden and I'll be starting it this evening.

Yeah, you're going to have to get to it because we got to recap it.

No, got to recap it.

Hands— but I can't be, I can't be silenced much longer. But I actually am glad I've had some time to really ruminate on the book because I feel like when I read it, I thought it was just a book. Mhm. But then I saw my friend Erica like posted that she had read it and she was like, I think this is a book that like most women need to read at some point in their life.

Oh wow.

And I agree with that. Yeah, it's a cautionary tale. I— it's not just like a, a crazy story, right?

Outlier.

It's a cautionary tale, and women should know that these things happen. Um, okay, so we look forward to you.

We look forward to you.

We should do a recap of it and like put on the Redheads just to like Sure, bump up the redhead.

Sure, you know, I'm like kind of getting itchy.

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Thank you, T-U-R-T. You're welcome, J-U-R-T. Our first story is a Summer House recap because we got a lot of information from last night's episode and from Watch What Happens Live with Jesse Solomon. So in last night's episode, Sierra and Vow Sierra and West, West vow to be best friends again, um, and Amanda confronts West about disrespecting Sierra.

So yeah, the conversation at the end I think was what Andy was referring to, because I guess if you wanted to be a naysayer up until this point, you could have just said like, well yeah, what Amanda did like wasn't the best, but this is somebody who Sierra dated for 6 months, 2 years ago, like we need to move on. But if you've been watching, like it's so clear that Sierra is so hung up on him, which just makes living in a house with him so complicated for her. She says like, I really wish I hated you, like it just would make my life so much easier, but she doesn't. And he did this really bad like thing and he really hurt her and she doesn't know how to move on cuz they did sort of like end abruptly. They weren't— their, their relationship like wasn't over. He just decided like he wanted to be famous and like pop pussies at the watch parties. And so everything that they were like building together just came crumbling down so quickly. So it left her without any closure. With all these feelings that she has sort of refused to acknowledge.

I just think if you're watching, it's quite obvious. And I feel like last night was the first time that they ever spoke, like, in a real way, and where she was able to acknowledge those feelings and just sort of let her walls down. It was, it was heartbreaking. Like, it was so sad.

It was sad to watch, especially because he obviously likes her but can't stop being himself enough to just—

I know—

give her and be for her who he would need to be like. But the idea— I mean, now I don't ship them at all, but if we're just recapping the episode like at the time, like, why is going out for him and like being with these randos and going to watch parties like more attractive to him than like being with a person that he considers his best friend who's so gorgeous, who likes him so much, and like they had the best time together two summers ago? Like, how could a person be so stupid?

I know, I know. I think maybe at this point he doesn't feel it's an option, even though like she literally can't talk to him or about him without crying. It's so clear that there are so many feelings there.

But also, it seems like going forward, things are about to like head back into sort of romantic territory. The preview for next week, someone's saying like Sierra and Wes are like best friends again, you know, and it's only a hop, skip, and a jump from that to romantic partners. And that sort of gives credence to the rumors that they had hooked up in the fall or even in the winter before Amanda and Wes, because I do see how now we're marching down that path.

And I do see, if that's the case, how like then both of their— up until this point, what Amanda did to Sierra is worse than what Wes did to Sierra. But if that's true, if they do connect, whether it's hook up or just like explore the possibility of something, his crime is just as big as Amanda's, and he deserves just as much hate.

Yeah, so I think it's gonna get worse for him, but it also is simultaneously getting worse for her as she continues to be the person in between the two of them, like demanding that he treat her better, letting her know that he's not good enough for her. He's not good enough for her, but he's good enough for you.

And it's just funny in hindsight because obviously we could—

what do you think of yourself then?

Well, we know that she has like severely low self-esteem because of this, the behavior she accepts from her own husband. But you do sort of look at Kyle now in a different light, where he was like— if he had said this before we knew, I would be like, oh, he's such a fucking asshole. When he was Oh my God, I'm finally having fun in the summer house. Like, I'm so happy. I feel so late. And why is it? Oh, because my bitch wife's not here. Like, if he didn't say bitch wife, he just said because Amanda's not here. If he had said that before, I'm like, this fucking guy. But you know what, like, she is this sort of drag and dark cloud. And yeah, that's a bummer. Summer should be fun. Summer should be fun.

Yeah, it's all— it's so crazy how like just context can change what someone's saying. Even last weekend he was complaining like, she only wants to hang out with other people, she doesn't hang out with me. Before Wes Mandeville, we were like, shut up.

And well, who would want to hang out with you? You suck.

We're like, wait, that's wrong. You should be giving attention to your husband. Yeah.

And Jesse said on Watch What Happens Live, just the, the eternal truth there, you know, because I think it's probably both.

Not everything can just be like ping-pong flipped based on—

no, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle of like her version and his. Like, he's a bad husband and She's a dreadful wife.

Yeah, no, no, I'm not saying like who's right in the situation, but I'm like, should— you know, it like— when, when he was saying those things before, was like, no, she should be with her friends. But like, should a person be with their friends or with their husband?

Both. Like, it shouldn't have to be a trade-off.

It really shouldn't be that like difficult to be in a house with your husband and your friends and like everybody feel like you like them.

Andy asked Jesse how Kyle was doing and he was like, you know what, he was doing fine, but he's actually getting angry now. Because the Yankee game thing, it's like, it's just so disrespectful. Um, which I thought was interesting. Uh, Jesse was asking— was answering a lot of questions. He— his energy, it was— I found it a very strange episode. I was wondering if anybody else felt this way. First of all, I think Andy hates Kristin Cavallari.

Really?

I just got that vibe. Yeah, he was in one of his moods, and he was like coming in and out of the mood. But then she said something like— so all the questions for— I felt bad for Kristin Cavallari because it was such a big Summer House night. And she like is familiar and she was giving her takes and she has great personality, but like there were no questions for her. Like, and she was just like being like a Bravo person. And so all the questions that were for her were about celebrities who have slid into her DMs. There must have been 5 different questions from the audience, from Andy. And she's like, ugh, you put me on the spot. Like, I don't know. Like she would have to have like research.

And so one of the things, like, most favorite answer for her, a celebrity who slid into her DM that she turned down, Bobby Flay.

Okay, I think what she was talking about was John Mayer, because then she was like, oh, I mean Andy, like, you know. And he was like— I could tell he just like hated that she said that. And I thought by that she meant John Mayer.

Like, I just felt like an answer to— I feel like she probably— a lot of people have said into her DMs that she has turned down, and I know for that one of those people happens to be Bobby Flay.

She was at once.

So like, I was like, oh, there's an answer. But she obviously— sometimes you just can't think off the top of your head.

Of course. And they didn't tell her in advance that like these were the questions. They should have.

Ultimately, all of the questions were about like men that she slept with and wants to or didn't and blah blah blah, and she did not name one name the whole episode. So yeah, that was frustrating for Andy, but very frustrating for her that that's all she's asked.

It's a little reductive. It's a little reductive.

It really is.

I thought she handled it really well. She was also asked about like Spencer for mayor, but like it really wasn't about her. And so I think she did as good of a job. I just got the vibe that Andy really didn't like her, especially with that John Mayer thing.

I didn't get that vibe, but I was getting a vibe from Jesse, like a sad vibe. Did you get that?

Okay, so yes, he was so defeated. Ben was like very moved by the episode. He was like, I feel like I want to reach out to Jesse Solomon.

I feel like he should. That would be a good friend.

And because then people were— they were asking him about like his music, and he's like, yeah, everyone teases me. Like, and I just felt bad. Like, I think that he also was asked about the state of his relationship with Wes, and he was like, listen, Wes has been a really good friend to me. So he's not just like dropping him, but he's being really honest.

That's—

but he's also being really honest that he's mad.

Yeah.

He wants an apology. He has not gotten one. He was lied to so much. He said that like all the boys went to brunch and like how Sierra sort of figured it out, like her womanly intuition, a lot of them did. They were not even being like subtle. Yeah. All the boys went to brunch. Jesse found out that Wes went to brunch after the brunch with Amanda, and he only found out because him and, uh, Jesse and Kyle were like out at a bar and they ran into Amanda and Wes rest.

That's so crazy. Not to mention the fact that like people could see them out and like know.

Yeah.

And also Amanda, Jesse, and Wes were all in Miami at one point randomly, and, and they went to dinner without Jesse. Amanda and Wes went to dinner without Jesse, and at first he was offended, but now he understands. But no, the vibe I got from him, definitely like I think he's in a weird spot of like needing to like condemn his friend, but that is also his friend, but his friend has betrayed him, and so those feelings. But it seems like he's been like a little beat down by the fans. And by like, I think he's getting a lot of hate.

And to be clear, like, I believe that he did not know that this was happening. And I think he already gets like a lot of like kind of like lighthearted hate about his music. And now it's just like everything piling on. He's like going on this like 16-city tour for his music and like people are just being mean to him. I actually felt bad for him.

Yeah, I feel like he's not even— I'm not— maybe he is, but I feel like not even so much hate for Wes Mandeville. And if he is, like, that should end right now because he didn't know anything and he literally nothing to do with his friend's bad decision. And I appreciate him actually like standing by his friend, um, not completely— I think on him, like, I actually agree that that's the right thing for him to do. Um, but I just think he's getting a lot of hate just like for him as a person. And it seemed like it was also already getting to him. And I feel like, yeah, when he came on this show, like, he worked in finance, he was like the coolest. Like, the first episode you just thought he was like the most handsome, cool, like, oh my gosh, who's gonna date Jesse? And now he's just kind of like a joke. And I just—

he's like the Joker of the show, for real.

I don't know, I just— it was— I was having one of those moments of like, people shouldn't do reality TV. Like, it really ruins your life. Like, you think it's amazing and you're so like— and I think he's had so much fun with a lot of the fame, but like, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It's giving like Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Even Sierra and Wes, like, when they're crying talking about how the fans are pitting them against each other, fueled by the fans, like, can't even function. They don't even know how they feel about each other because everybody— they open their phone and and the world is turning you against this person. It's a very weird way to live, and I think ultimately it's not worth it.

I completely agree. I want to say one thing about the episode last night, and I know like Sierra can do no wrong, she's a queen, but she did something that pissed me off. Um, her and Mia, when they like pulled KJ to the side—

1000%—

and we're like, we're just going to check in, like, are you moving really fast? I feel like KJ and Dara have really given nobody any reason to doubt them. Like, and it's also not moving fast. I hate when people are like, oh, we're not gonna sleep with other people and we're gonna get to know one another. That's not moving fast. And it was the same thing with Jesse and Lexi, and it's like, ugh, I just— I'm such a Lexi truther. But like, it's the same exact thing. Like, nobody's making such a big spectacle of it, but the fact that he's even made a conversation like actually pissed me off.

Not only that, they went to KJ, which I thought was like so rude. And I do not— girls, girl, they see like KJ's a little brother. So it's not like when they went to Jesse about Alexi, because that was all like people who are literally like sitting on his lap and rubbing butts.

Like, yeah, no, it was very familiar.

It was definitely like totally platonic. But first in the car, they said like she shares her good news and they're like, don't you think you're moving a little fast? Like, first of all, no. Well, how— when did they meet each other? 4 or 5 weeks ago? 4 or 5 weeks of intentionally dating, like every other night seeing that person? Like, yeah, at that point, ask me to be your girlfriend or what the fuck are we doing? I completely agree.

I haven't— to say that, no problem.

I did not like that and I, I thought it was wrong from like, from especially Mia initiated, and she's like my fave, but you know, me too, it happens. And then that they went to PJ and planted these things in his head when men, you know, Dara's, you know, women are stalwart and we know what we want, but that's all it takes. You say that to him and he's like clams up. Even the other time when Lindsay told him something at bed, someone's daily said about Ben, and then like he's treating Dara differently. Like, you don't fuck with someone's relationship like that. What are you doing? I agree.

And while I believe it came from a good place, like, it was so not supportive. And I don't feel like the two of them are acting any way but responsibly. Like, I don't know what the problem is.

No, and I can understand with Jesse and Lexi, if it's every week you come out and there's a new drama, and then we hear that you're exclusively dating, we're gonna have some questions because there's been drama. These two are so normal, and knowing that they're dating today, like, they're obviously right for each other. Even if, even if it doesn't work out, like, in this moment they're right for each other and they know what they want. Like, I hated that and was giving like Carl and Lindsay and everyone just like, they're moving too fast. Like, seriously, stop with that. And you know, people around here, they're, they're kind of grown. It's time to make haste.

Agreed, agreed, agreed. Oh, when they went to the, the medium and the medium was talking about like Mia having a daughter, like, I was crying. Like, I was actually sobbing. I, I kind of need like a Mia spin-off. Like, I heard a brother, like something. I just like I agree. I— it's very hard for me to get on board with like a new cast member's personal storyline. I just— no matter— I just find it like, I need to really know you before I care. But with her, like, uh, Ben was getting like a little choked up too.

Like, it was really emotional from the jump. Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, yeah. She's been such a value add to the show. Yeah, I think like she's here to stay, 1000%.

And I need her and Levi.

By the way, Levi looks like Olivia Rodrigo.

Levi looks like Olivia Rodrigo. Where was Levi? I haven't seen her in like 3 episodes.

I know, I saw her in a flashback. I was like, Olivia Rodrigo.

I like Bailey, like I really do. I hope she stays. Bailey was there.

Oh, was she?

Yeah, she was like killing 3 girls. She was killing the fly in the living room with Carl. You don't remember?

Well, that wasn't from like the previous weekend or something? No, but they said there was 3 girls this weekend. Sierra, Mia, Dara.

Uh-huh.

I feel like Bailey wasn't there.

I saw Bailey there. She was wearing like a chainmail dress. Maybe, but I think the episode spanned over two weekends.

It was like a weekend and in the city, like a Sunday, the dog event, which they totally added back in for the—

yeah, because how uninteresting.

No, and they wanted to show that lingering hug. Also on Watch What Happens Live, Andy was doing his Watch What Happens 5 at the end or whatever, and it was like 5 reasons why this episode was so cringe for covers of Westman of all. Did you see this?

No, I must have fell asleep. Like, I didn't—

he's like, so he's reading through all the 5 things that were like really shocking to watch in this episode given what we know now. And like, I don't know why, towards the end it was like he hated every minute of what he was saying. And I feel like not because he hates his job, but I feel like he felt like it was a little bit too schadenfreude-y. And like they were like capitalizing too much on, on like the Sierra heartbreak, and he felt like sort of sad. And he, as he's reading these words, he's like literally wants to stop reading them, and he's like looking around like, who fucking wrote this?

Jagged, I'm telling you, last night was a weird episode. Like if you are, if you're in tune with like Andy Cohen's fluctuating moods, yesterday was— because there were like high highs and really low lows. Like sometimes he just doesn't even listen to the guest's response.

Zoom was asking a question and— oh, oh yeah, she made a little joke and then Jesse joked back with her and Andy like got visibly frustrated and Jesse gave it to him a little bit. He was like, come on, like he was just a little bit like, like, what's the big fucking deal?

No, Andy was like seriously on his period last night, like he was so moody.

We should do another podcast where we watch Watch What Happens Live every night and then the next day just like talk about how Andy was. This.

Yeah, some of it is predictable. Like, when there's really big stars, like, he's never going to act like that. He reserves that for, like, reality stars and his own Bravo celebrity people. Um, and some nights he's just, like, in a good mood. I think some nights he drinks, and that, like, always lifts his spirits, but most nights he doesn't. And, like, the man is super, like, hardworking. He does radio in the morning, and he's a full-time, you know, working parent. And, like, I, I'm— I feel you, but, like, you can't be so rude sometimes. He's so— yeah, rude.

He was really rude in that moment with the person on Zoom who was like, just—

she made a little joke. Jess made a little—

she was adorable. Just like conversing. Like, you just have to like let it flow. And okay, so maybe you don't get to ask another question before the commercial break, but like, it is what it is.

And you don't even want to ask a question before the commercial break, so just leave it alone.

You don't want to ask a question.

Guess I'll stop.

I get— I do think Ben should reach out to Jesse.

He literally said that he was gonna like DM him.

I think they would be good friends.

And I think Jesse needs just like a bunch of like good, loyal like people around him.

Yeah, yeah, bummer.

Well, he needs to also write another, um— I thought it was going to be like a seasonal thing where he did, what would Jesse Salomon do? Like, I thought we'd get one every season.

Oh yeah, but now like everyone makes fun of his singing and like he just doesn't feel like himself.

Oh, stop. They've sort of beat it out of him.

They have.

I'm sad.

Yeah, no, it's like kind of sad.

No, if you watch last night's episode of Watch What Happens Live, like, he was defeated. Like, he was visibly, like, shrunken.

Mhm.

Was sad.

Our next story, some more reality TV news, because Secret Lives of Mormon Wives— but they are filming. They will resume their season 5 production without Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota. People magazine reports— a lot of people reported production's back up, no Taylor, no Dakota. But of course Taylor commented on People magazine's post saying, um, interesting, that's not the call I got.

So Hulu is having their Get Real, you know, the event that it's like their upfronts that we saw on Love Thy Neighbor and on Secret Lies where they make a lot of new announcements. We always hear about new shows, premiere dates, we see trailers. It's like a big— so that I think is today in LA. Um, lots of rumors swirling, you know, So people think, and this just might be like, but I've heard it now twice from two separate places, that they're going to announce that they will be releasing Taylor Frankie's Paul's season of The Bachelorette because she's sort of been vindicated legally. I want to say, I would be shocked.

I just want to say like, I'm here for it.

But we read the spoilers.

But we read, that's true, that's true. Um, what do you think? Are you here for it?

It? I, I think that they're not going to do it. It was such a big decision, you can't backtrack on it. Like, you just can't.

But where did you hear— what are the two places that you heard it?

Like, Twitter and TikTok, like from two separate corners.

And walks and Andy—

no, not like someone I know in the industry. No, it was giving— it was giving rumor, but just putting it out there just in case it's true.

Yeah, I don't know why I'm like— I, I kind of— I feel like I would be into that.

In terms of Salamau with or without Taylor, like, it's still a good show. And I don't know, I'm kind of down to like tone it down a little bit. Like, it doesn't have to be so crazy. Like, I just liked the show in the beginning when they were fighting about like brand deals, following who, not like— yeah, not this stuff. It stopped being fun. Yeah. So if Taylor's filming, like, fine, but I don't need her there, honestly.

Yeah, I just, um Like, the show used to be simple, you know. Sorry for her.

I know.

And so if she—

but I don't—

if the bat— like, The Bachelorette doesn't need to come out, and I guess at this point it's kind of irrelevant even though she's like flirting with Doug in the comments, right? Um, but so no Bachelorette, no Dancing with the Stars. If she's not back on Slamu, like, where does her life go from here? Though I do think she's a very wealthy woman.

I think her, her life goes up, like I, I don't know if she's in a place where she would turn down any opportunities because it's so addicting, right? The money, the fame, the attention. She is like the big dog in the group. Like, it's— I get it. And she's posting a lot about her healing journey, and like, a person who is like genuinely interested in healing would say no.

Yeah, that's true. She might be better off if she doesn't do it.

She can maybe come back in 2 years, but like, I really think think this has not been like a good— fame has not been good for her. And like, it's okay to say no to stuff. Like, it really is. People like don't say no to stuff.

Yeah, that's true.

And I think that like she really just needs to focus on like herself and her family.

When they stopped filming and the girls called it off, it was because they said there was a lot more that they had learned that like they didn't want to film anymore.

And we were sort of waiting for that shoe to The girls are so wishy-washy. They said that, and then on Call Her Daddy, Jesse was like riding for Taylor. Well, no, like, they don't know what they think.

Jesse didn't say that, but it was like Miranda.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, Leila, Chase.

Yeah, so that never happened. And when, when we thought there was more, I was like, okay, well, she can't film if this just keeps getting worse. Like, no, like, we're done with this person. But if she's been sort of like vindicated and there's nothing else, it's just so heavy.

Like, she, she brings a heaviness that I'm actually just not really interested in watching on reality TV. Like, the show in the beginning was so silly and fun, and it was cool to see the life of these influencers and the brand deals, and like, the drama was good. You kissed, whatever. But like, now, like, it's not fun anymore.

Yeah. Yeah, so we'll see. But I wonder what—

I'm excited for that Hulu event. Yeah, I wonder if they have like any new shows. Maybe we'll get a Love Thy Nader season 2.

I wonder if the Naders are going to be there because like they're in the—

I think they are. No, they're back.

They're back. Yeah, okay, good. I wonder what they learned and what they contributed to science.

Hopefully it was worth it. But yeah, I wonder if Hulu has any new shows.

We'll find out.

Out. Yeah, I love, I love the Hulu Get Real. It's a fun time of year.

Yeah, we'll find out tomorrow, I guess.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story?

3.

Number 3.

Yes.

Kendall Jenner and Jacob Elordi have been dating for months, apparently thanks to Kylie. So Kendall and Jacob sparked dating rumors when they were spotted making out and all over each other at Coachella, but apparently they've been dating for 2 months according to a Daily Mail report which was published on Tuesday. A source told the outlet that Kylie was actually the one who played matchmaker for her and Jacob. Quote, Kylie was around Jacob a lot during Timothée's award season marathon because Jacob was nominated for Frankenstein. Timothée was nominated for Martyrs Supreme. Kylie liked him and thought he would be good for Kenny, so she was like, girl, get on it, date this guy already.

Okay, cute. Um, even though I, I'm like not inspired by this relationship, I just think like they actually are twins. Like, from the back—

no, their faces. Not even from the back, from the front.

On everything, like their height, their hair color, their eyes, like I— their bodies. Like they're both like late, like tall and skinny. Like I'm not inspired by this choice, but I do feel like— maybe I'm wrong, but I would feel like Timothée and Jacob Elordi like wouldn't like each other. Don't you feel they probably go out for the same roles? Oh, and like are competitive with one another?

Maybe. And maybe Jacob is like that and petty, but I don't think that Timothée is. I think Timothée like believes and to the point that he knows that he's on such another level. I don't think he is jealous. I don't think he competes. I don't think he like looks at other people like that. I think he's like so self-assured and confident. Jacob might act that way, but I do think—

I just, I feel like they both position themselves as like the actor of their generation, you know, the Brad Pitt.

But like there's Brad and George and Matt, right?

Right.

Like, right, I think there's room for all of them. And I think that Timothy firmly believes that.

I think that Jacob has to tell himself that every morning in the mirror when he says his affirmations. Yeah, like, Timothée Chalamet is not better than me. Timothée Chalamet is not better than me. There's room for me and Timothée. There's room for me and Timothée. Well, obviously, like, looking forward to next award season, I need them to continue dating just until then so we can get like the four of them at the Golden Globes and things like that.

And even though like it's not the most interesting pairing, like like, what would be interesting to me is like, if this is a serious relationship, I'm kind of like rooting for that, you know, for Kenny. Like, what if this is her big one? That—

well, Jacob Elordi is like a serial monogamist.

Yes, so is she, kind of. She has like— yeah, she likes boyfriends.

Yeah. And so he's not like— I mean, maybe he's a philanderer on the side, but like, as far as we know, he gets into very long-term relationships. Even Olivia Jade was like 3 years.

Yeah. So I I think that if they want to get serious, my ears are perked up for that.

Yeah, it's just like, it doesn't bode well, at least for me, because it just feels like the same, like, young Hollywood circle jerk. Austin Butler, Kaia Gerber, like the same 4 people all just swapping partners every year.

Yeah, but if one of them wanted to get engaged, married, and/or have a child, I'm all ears.

Oh, of course, of course.

If they want to take it to the next level, even that goes for Austin Butler. Olivia Jade.

Where in the world is Austin Butler?

Around here, there, everywhere.

Did he ever make another movie after Elvis?

Yes. No, Claudia, he's in like a lot of stuff that just— we don't—

Dune. Dune.

Uh, oh, so he knows Timothée then.

I'm telling you, the young Hollywood circle jerk continues.

He was in The Carrie Diaries. He was in Eddington.

I want to talk about The Carrie Diaries. Thank you so much for bringing that up. I've been actually like waiting for the right time. The Carrie Diaries was a 2-season prequel to Sex and the City on CW. It starred Anna Sophia Robb as a young Carrie Bradshaw, and, um, Austin Butler played like the cool boy at school who like liked Carrie despite her curly hair. It was literally the best show. You had to sort of suspend the connection to Sex and the City Because it was not Carrie at all. But every time they felt like they were sort of distancing themselves too much from Sex and the City, they would make her go to New York and be like, I love Manhattan. And then she would go back to Connecticut. Like, yeah, it was such a good show. Justice for that motherfucking show. You know, I went to college with Anna Sophia Robb and she was at NYU the same time as me.

And were you friends?

No, there were a couple of like celebrities at NYU, the Cole and Dylan Sprouse twins. They were were everywhere, always bopping around. Um, they were like always at the library and stuff. And then, um, AnnaSophia Robb, of course. And I believe at the same time Emma Stone started grad school there, but I never saw her at like the library or anything.

Grad school.

That was a cool part. Like, being at NYU like was genuinely one of the worst experiences of my whole life, but the proximity to like lots of celebrities was an underrated part of it. And you know, everyone at NYU was like so alt, right? Like blue-haired energy. Like, they hated celebrities. Meanwhile, I was like spending my entire time there like hunting down the famous people who were my fellow students.

And you like didn't make one friend of a celebrity.

Oh, of a celebrity? No, but I made one friend, period.

One friend. Sorry, I wasn't like— you didn't make one celebrity friend.

Um, I mean, fine celebrity, cuz I was friends, I was friends with myself, spouse, you know. I didn't make any like long-term— right?

Sweet. She went to NYU.

Oh, was she there at the same time as me? I don't think so. I don't— I know, because Riverdale was, was after I graduated, so I wouldn't have known.

Oh no, you wouldn't have known. No, you wouldn't have known.

You know, I'm sure there are people there like me who weren't famous at the time, like, who are famous now, like Lady Gaga. But I'm talking about people who were pre-established celebrities who then like decided to go to college.

Yes. Oh, by the way, to answer your question, uh, Sin Butler, according to IMDb, has 8 projects coming up, and one of them is the American Psycho remake, which he is starring in, and also a Lance Armstrong movie. I guess he's playing Lance.

I love that.

Yeah, so he's got 8 things. So I think Miami Vice—

you know, I met Lance Armstrong.

No, I didn't know that.

Yeah, I kind of have a crazy story, but I don't think I could say it.

Okay, don't say it. See if we can—

okay, I'll say it.

See if we care.

You know, he's a nice guy. Give like freaky vibes, you know.

So when that— so which one is it? Both. Do you want to tell us? Please tell us.

No, no, I, I don't want to. I don't want to.

Okay, are you sure?

Yeah. Okay, nice guy, nice guy.

Our next story, uh, Devil Wears Prada, a little news on some cameos that got cut.

Oh wait, sorry, sorry, you can't, um, you can't do that. I can't tell you about the cameos that got cut because it's the cameos that got cut that are brought to you by Booking.com. Booking.com.

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Mm-hmm.

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Thank you, no turd.

You're welcome, jerk.

Our next story, Devil Wears Prada cameos that got cut. So now that people have seen the movie, um, cameos that did and did not make it are being shared. So first, Sydney Sweeney was meant to be in the movie. She was being like dressed by— she was playing herself dressed by like, uh-huh, of course, Emily Blunt's character. And they wound up cutting it out of the movie. They said it was like too clunky and hard to cut out, but that they did.

Oh, interesting.

Also, this is weird, someone, an actor named Conrad Ricamora, he's from How to Get Away with Murder, he was meant to play Andy's roommate and he— his cameo got cut. But like, why would he— it got cut because why would Andy have a roommate?

Oh no, I'm scared. Like, I'm scared. I told you guys, I am scared. Like, I— this sequel, like, it's just important and And some of the things I'm seeing are like promising, and some of the things I'm seeing are not. And then also, justice for Hannah Berner, don't you find? Like, I— it was literally like confirmed, they're like, Paige is in the movie. Everyone's been talking about Paige in the movie, and it's like Paige and Hannah are actually in the movie.

Oh, why did everyone say just Paige?

Because Paige was spotted on set. Hannah wasn't in the picture, so it just was like, oh, just Paige, she's like the fashion girl, so like she'll be in the movie. But it was both of them.

That's funny. That's crazy that they're in the movie. And actually, Anna Wintour is not not in the movie.

Good.

I think she's in like a gag take and probably will be like a bonus feature or whatever, like on the DVD. Yeah, because she went to the set one day and apparently she saw the flowers and she said Dior would never have those flowers, and they changed the flowers. They were like too, too much volume and like too pink. She was like they would only have white flowers.

So I saw like one scene of the movie, it's like Andy gets an assistant And I'm just scared, like I'm just scared.

But it's really concerning that they would have her having a roommate.

Yeah, well, where— so I know like we pick up and Andy gets a job at Runway, which is so like unrealistic. I like my premise for the movie so much better. I know, I like— everyone's tired of hearing me say, but mine was better, that she became like a huge features writer for like New York Magazine and she got tasked with the job of profiling Miranda, and she has to shadow her for like a month. So much better, because Auntie— that Auntie would ever— unless we find Auntie, she's like down on her luck and like homeless, she would never go back to Runway.

She's like home half, right?

Right, because you would assume she was like a young girl in her 20s. The movie came out when? 20 years ago.

20 years ago. She's in her 40s, right?

So you would think like— and she was hustler, like she was job, job, job, job, job, job, job, and that she finally left and she was— she got a job at Boston Globe like it was supposed to be better for Andy.

Yeah, um, but also I think she was very cause-driven, you know.

Didn't she? Being cause-driven doesn't pay the bills. She was writing about the janitorial strike, remember?

Yeah, and she wanted to write about like happenings in the world, and so maybe like Runway has now a job for that, and that's her job, and she's able to—

she's the head of features.

Yeah, where maybe they're cause-driven cause-driven features.

It's giving How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days when like Andy Anderson wants to write about like the war in Afghanistan, not push-up bras. Yeah, it's like, girl, you work at Cosmo.

Yeah, but you know what, I think now they do.

Yeah, they do both now.

And I feel like maybe Vogue does, but like maybe it's just like a sign of the times. Like now it's just like very cause-driven, like less fluff, right?

So again, I think the movie comes out Friday. I am gonna see it, and I just want to reiterate, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm scared. Scared.

Yeah, uh, yeah, I'm not scared.

And so I guess Stanley Tucci—

I can't live in fear, you know.

So I guess Stanley Tucci still works at Runway, which is also like—

no, he would, he would, he would.

She'll pay me back. Maybe she does pay him back.

I think that he would. I think there are people that work that, that's like a job that you—

yeah, yeah, you have forever. Or even if you get passed over for stuff.

Yeah, but like, that you grow— like, that's where you are.

Yeah, because there isn't like— and if you're in fashion, there's really nowhere to go like after that, right? Yeah, it's like the Mecca.

Our fifth and final story: Reese Witherspoon is in some hot water over her support for AI. This is so weird.

People are just obsessed with being mad about AI.

About stuff in general, but yeah, definitely about AI. Last week, Reese went viral for declaring that the AI revolution has begun. Well, I'm glad she let us know.

Well, no, she went viral because not only did she acknowledge that the revolution has begun— like, thanks, we know— she was encouraging women to, like, learn about AI so they don't get left behind.

Yeah, she said the jobs women hold are 3 times more likely to be automated by AI, yet women are using AI at a rate 25% lower than men on average. We don't want to be left behind. The post attracted some backlash, with people pointing out the problems associated with data centers and intellectual property and accusing Witherspoon of being paid by AI companies to promote generative tools. So yeah, the way she posted just about like AI awareness, it was giving like paid by AI to make you aware of AI, but it was actually not paid at all. She just sort of wanted to send it on.

I wasn't— I was actually not giving the vibe, getting the vibe at all that it was paid or like a backhand endorsement of AI. I actually understood what she was saying and it's like, yeah, we can all be like writing think pieces on AI, but it's coming. So you can either get on board or lose your job and like have no expertise. I actually thought it was like a helpful warning to women. And you know, that's all she does is like women, women, women.

No, I'm— it was completely out of nowhere.

Well, no, she, no, she's a, a huge business owner and like AI's a huge topic of conversation in Hollywood too.

Yeah. But it's, it's a, it's a hot button issue. So to wade in when, like, no— and I'm not saying that she shouldn't wade in, and by the way, you know, I don't really care what she said, or like, I genuinely don't care. I'm just saying, like, how it might have looked to people who like to care. Like, she wades into this topic out of nowhere and seems to be, like, supporting automation when, like, her industry is really against it.

It's— I mean, it's just happening.

Like, we know that. We know that. Yeah, just like that she's getting it all in on AI and like letting us know. I feel like people probably thought of it as a betrayal.

Okay, fine, so be it. Um, I don't care. And yeah, you guys can fight it all you want. It is coming. So like, let's keep talking about how much we hate it, or let's like, you know, work together.

Let's make a better stir fry, you know?

Correct. Now, there were also conspiracy theories because, you know, her company got acquired by a company that has a stake in a large controlling AI company. I mean, it's like AI— everyone in business has some sort of vested interest in AI. So I'm not down to theorize here. Like, I don't think she's like that.

I, I actually think like she thought she was being helpful for women, and I think she thought she was just like posting like something motivational for women, like as you do, like just like mindless women jargon that people like say online.

Woman stuff.

Did you know 25% of women are not— you know, like, I don't think— I think she just thought she was creating content for women and didn't realize like stepped in on a minefield.

Big. And then she released like another Instagram story being like, oh, had no idea everyone was gonna be—

yeah, but she said—

so perturbed.

To be clear, no one's paying me to talk about this. I'm just a curious human. My kids are learning about AI tools. I know a lot of founders who are vibe coding, and I hear about people using AI in every sector of business. But I want to acknowledge people's concerns. They're valid. I'm aware of this impact this could have on jobs across so many industries. I understand environmental concerns. I care deeply about local communities. Well, that's—

who doesn't?

I thought she didn't care about local communities.

And when I read her initial statement, I said, oh, this is a person who not only doesn't care about local communities but hates local communities.

So good she cleared that up.

Me too. I feel good.

And I have concerns about impending AGI. The fuck's that?

Athletic Greens?

AG1? Maybe it said AG1.

I'm cracking up.

I don't believe computers should replace humanity. That's good.

Oh, I do. I think I actually do.

For a second I thought she wanted me to become a computer, a robot.

Yeah, I'm glad.

Okay, cleared that up. I'm—

I actually really appreciate her cleaning that up.

She said, I'm planning on learning as much as possible so that I'm educated about this technological revolution.

This is so stupid. Like, seriously, I, I just— like, people are so intent on, like, misunderstanding other people, especially celebrities. And so having to even release a statement as moronic as 'I support my local communities.' Like, I just wish she didn't, because like, you're indulging behavior of people who like are forcing backlash and like just really intent on misunderstanding. So like, while this is funny, like, I wish she wouldn't have even responded.

But I feel like maybe she doesn't support like distant communities. Oh, maybe supports communities that are local. What about foreign communities?

Well, that's not very inclusive of her.

What about foreign communities?

Like, this is just words. Do you know what I mean?

Not a part of her local community. Timothy, so she doesn't support me.

She definitely doesn't support you.

She definitely doesn't. Well, it's because redheads, we're obviously competitors.

Competitive. Yeah, of course, you're competitive in nature.

I like to think of myself as a Timothy. There's space for all of us.

Oh, speaking of— thank you. Did you see Charlize Theron was talking about Timothy's ballet thing? Girl, like, you're 4 months late.

Oh God, I did.

And she was really upset, and she was like, you know what, I feel good about the fact that AI is going to take your job, but never the job of a performer stage.

Yeah, I saw that.

Oh my God, just genuinely inseparable.

I hope I see him. Like, it's on—

it's on. Genuinely, like, that 30-second clip is just like why people in Hollywood can be so unlikable. Like, this is not a real problem.

Mhm. No, it's not a real problem. It's really not. If you think—

and it's like, we all hate AI, right? Until it comes for Timothée Chalamet's job. Job.

Yeah, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But he's not filming, and that's us. I think we're done filming.

Yeah, right, because we have no problem sitting with the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives in her dress, but she's not filming. I'm sorry, like, that will forever be the lamest thing on planet Earth. I love him for that.

I do too. Step by step. That, that vocal stim, as the children say, is going to rehabilitate his reputation.

Yeah. Well, the place looks beautiful. It always does.

Well, thank you.

Should that be our new outro? Because I can't— I have to stop saying like, yes, Spotify. Okay, so it'll go like this. It'll take me a while, but thank you so much for listening to The Toast, the Millennial Morning Show, where we deliver the fast 5 stories that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. Well, the place looks great. It always does. Thank you.

Love ya.

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