Transcript of Break Up Season: Wednesday, January 8th, 2025

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Wednesday.

It's Hump Day. It's Wednesday. Clots, you want to see if we can make a W with our hands? I know we can.

How we would do it? That wouldn't even be a W check. It would be like a square.

We're just a couple of squares here.

It's Hump Day. Don't forget to Hump someone you love. And speaking of somebody I love and who I'm hoping isn't too mad at me right now.

Why would I be What's that at you?

Because I took the sweater from your closet and brought it home with me. What sweater is that? It's a hatch maternity cardigan.

Oh my gosh, it's a staple in a pregnant lady's wardrobe. I would bequeath it to you.

I'm glad that you took it. Because I've been wanting to wear it for a couple of days. I'm like, Let me just soften the blow, not come back from her house and immediately show the spoils of my raid.

What's meant for you will find you. Thank you. That sweater is meant for you. It was one of my favorite pregnancy staples.

I'll tell you, it's a little I'm glad it's made its way to you. Thank you for your support and for not being angry with me. That's definitely a fun part about being pregnant. People really don't get angry with you.

But you also know a fun fact about me that I think is unexpected is that I love to share my things with people.

I'm so glad you brought that up. I was thinking about that the other day because I was taking stock of my clothing in my life and all these beautiful things that I have, I really won't be able to get back into for quite some time. And how I feel detached from these things that used to, I felt possessive over in a material way. I'm like, oh, that must be where Jackie... Because I think it was around the time where you really started being very generous with your things. You always lend people purses and beautiful jewelry and clothing. I think it was also around the time where you started to have babies, where you just feel less attached to these material things. I'm definitely feeling that. But that's mostly because I don't fit into any of them.

Right. Now would you feel like, Oh, I want Margot to wear this.

If Margot came over in one of my favorite dresses, I would be like, Go.

Yeah, that's how I feel. Even now, the most recent thing that I bought, if you wanted to wear it, you had the perfect occasion, I would joyously let you borrow it.

I'm feeling that way. Honestly, I am. For me, it's less out of the goodness of my heart and more so, well, it's just There's a lot of stuff going there. Right. Before we dive in, would be RDH, not to mention the absolute biblical level of atrocities happening in Los Angeles right now. I feel like I'm seeing so much stuff because so much happened overnight. But these wildfires that have literally ravaged entire communities. I feel like this happens. It's definitely seasonal. I feel like we talk about it once a year, but this one definitely feels bigger and different and really scary and like, unstoppable. It gives me such a pit because just the footage of it is so apocalyptic. It's like, literally things you see in a movie. It's so sad. I know we have a lot of listeners who live in the area and who are either evacuating or... You know what else? Whenever we talk about this, I feel like in LA, it always also really highlights because we're always reporting. I even saw this morning, so sad, Spencer and Heidi's entire Their house burned down. Obviously, that's so sad, but they got out, their kids, they're okay.

I feel like it also really highlights the discrepancy between the rich and poor in LA because literally, these celebrities are out with their helicopters just jetting out.

Yeah, going to their other house.

Then literally, people who are in the hospital running on foot, abandoning cars on the highway. It makes me so sad, the discrepancy between what people live like in that area. I mean, everywhere, but in LA, specifically with all the celebrities. It gives me such a pit. And what their options are.

Also for older people, I know. It's really, really sad. Biblical is a good way to describe it because it's such a crazy scale, and it's not being extinguished at the moment. It's raging.

I don't know how long it will go on for.

So really, yeah, I agree thinking of them today. And even as we will talk about celebrities later in the show, that's the big thing going on with celebrities, a lot of them evacuating their homes. And it's just a really terrible thing.

It really is. And just like, firefighters are most brave people in the entire world. I'm just praying for them and their families and may this end swiftly.

Yeah, agreed.

Although it doesn't appear to be the case. I just wanted to... It feels like to open your phone and that's all I'm seeing. This feels so trivial. I just wanted to acknowledge that.

Yeah, stay safe.

Seriously, and evacuate. If you're being told to evacuate, it's for a reason.

Right.

It's so important to listen to evacuation policy.

Yeah.

Oh, and not the mayor of LA being out of town. Yikes.

Yikes.

I'm just feeling like actually recently targeting a lot of mayors. That's my thing.

I feel like sometimes people act like politics. It's too big to understand, they can't actually change things on the ground. People act like that. But when it comes to mayors, it's like, no, you did that shit. You did or did not do that.

That happens a lot in New York, direct. But that's also the New York culture is to whenever there's any inconvenience in your life, great or small, it is always the mayor's fault. And I love that as a community, we are always collectively just blaming the mayor.

But it is.

A thousand %. It's everyone, no matter what you do for a living, all walks of life, socioeconomic backgrounds, even the greatest of mayors hate.

No, but I feel like then when you're a good mayor, if you could be a good mayor, I don't know why it's so hard for some people. It seems pretty common sense, some of the policies. Let me tell you something. I don't know. I guess they have a hard time.

Who would you say was the last good mayor of New York who everybody agrees was good?

I think a lot of people think that Bloomberg was a good mayor, but Giuliani was a Well, no, that was a different time.

But I think Bloomberg, everybody now was like- It was the 2000s. Yeah, it was the '80s. But with Bloomberg, everybody now respects Bloomberg. His legacy is pretty intact. Let me tell you, at the time, every cab driver- He was the worst mayor. Every bodega the owner under there by fucking Bloomberg. It's just a part of culture here. It's really a beautiful bipartisan thing we all do that we hate the mayor.

Well, he was a good mayor compared to what came next. But at the time, he was doing those little time square seats.

No, let's not forget, Bloomberg was the one who wanted to ban the big sodas. What are you doing?

He wanted to take salt off the table. It's like, brov.

Get a job.

Bro, there's bigger things.

Yeah, it's so true.

And salt, you see what they Can we talk about salt now. Salt is good for you.

Can we talk about salt briefly? Yeah. It's so good.

It's so crazy how you can make a recipe, use thousands of ingredients, and you taste it, and it's like, you just need salt.

Yeah, and I feel that season And this is like a big... It's also, it happens a lot on social media, and it's like very racial, where white people don't like reasoning, and like, different cultures are more... It's cultural. It is. And I just want to say, as a Jewish white person, and obviously, I'm not a cook or anything. I think a lot of the times, salt is sufficient.

Honestly. Salt is enough.

It's. It's enough.

I agree. Salt is like, you see it be the oil.

It's natural. It's from the earth.

No, but at one point was the biggest commodity. Before, refrigerators, how did you keep food? Salt.

Is that true?

Yeah. I literally never heard that. It's like a preservative.

Okay, love that. It's going to be natural. It could preserve.

Yeah, no, it's just salt is rooted in history, and I feel like now it's got... Cholesterol. It's found its way on a list of things that we're not doing, but now it's coming back. It's in for 2025, I think. I love that. It was out for the last 20 years. You know what else I'm seeing is in, based on my algorithm, Colesterol is in.

Cholesterol is in.

Have you heard that? Colesterol is good for you. They said one day it was bad for you, but cholesterol is what protects your brain, feeds your brain.

I have always been ahead of the trends. And genetically, we all actually suffer from high cholesterol. Our father died of a heart attack. So I don't know how him dying of a heart attack helps the argument for cholesterol, but whatever. It's a fluke. It makes sense that I would be so ahead of the trend.

And I'm just saying this is what I've been seeing, and I actually don't seek it out. These are the things that come up in my algorithm that I don't follow, and they're saying cholesterol is good for you. And I'm just repeating that and letting you know I just saw it in a reel.

She doesn't have any...

Maybe that's not true, but I'm just letting you know.

There's a room going round. That's what's swirling. Okay, speaking of what's swirling, literally. I had a pelvic exam yesterday. My coxagenia is not solved. It's not healed. I have learned that I sit incorrectly, whatever. I'm going to physical therapy.

Oh, right. Claudia told me how we're supposed to sit.

I just want to say I was trying to explain to the doctor. She was like, Can you sit this way at work? You hate to be obnoxious, being like, I'm actually being viewed by millions of people. So I was like, not really. A lot of my work is on camera. She was like, okay. But if you're watching on YouTube, this is how she told me to sit. If you ever see me sitting like this, just I know I'm trying to survive, okay?

Spread them. I'm not sitting like this. For those listening, spread them.

She said, You really are supposed to, all human beings, not just pregnant. You are really supposed to be off your ass when you sit. All of your weight is supposed to be on the bottom of your thighs, and you're supposed to be leaning forward and engaging your core. But most human beings tend to pull back and relax because of that core muscle. Who wants to be engaging their muscle while they're just trying to sit?

Your doctor would hate these chairs because they slope back. They're It's really pushing us backwards. And maybe your coxedinia has ramped up since we've had these chairs because they're forcing us to sit even worse. And like any chair, it would be a struggle to sit the way that is proper, but this is making it worse 100 %.

So she prescribed me Not a prescriber, referred me to a physical therapist. I'm going to do pelvic floor therapy, whatever.

Are you going to take your pants off?

Okay, so the lady before the doctor came in was like, take your pants off and put this gown on. I was like, oh, okay, but it's my vagina. I'm pregnant. I was like, I need it to be really specific. I'm like, underwear as well? No. Thank God I asked. People really need to be more specific.

We need to ask more questions.

We need to ask. Unfortunately, it's a lesson you have to learn the hard way because you have to embarrass yourself once before every time you go to a doctor, a spa, anything, you say, what exactly am I taking? I literally was like, socks? I needed to know everything. But whatever. Towards the end, she wanted to feel my pelvic muscles. Did I tell you this?

You told me, but you haven't told the world.

Have you ever had your pelvic muscles checked?

I don't know. I can't distinguish indistinguishable.

As a woman in my second trimester, I'm not really that uncomfortable anymore with certain things going on my vagina. A speculum, a probe, it is what it is. This pelvic exam was different. It was quite intimate. I literally got finered. It was so crazy. She put a latex glove on. And by the way, she did everything up to code book. Wait, wait, wait. She was asking, Are you comfortable? You're not making an accusation. No, I'm not making an accusation. It's just what it is.

And What does it entail?

She put on latex love, and then the nurse lubricated just one finger. And she literally had to feel all the muscles in your vagina, up, down, left, right, northwest, south, everything, go completely circular because there's eight different muscles on all the different walls of your China. It was just so intimate. I have now gotten used to foreign objects up there, medical devices. But a hand, that's-As you say, foreign, not intimate. A hand is just husband's zone. What's next?

A penis.

What's next? A penis. Exactly. I have to say, she made me feel very comfortable. She A plus all around. I didn't know that there was any part of pregnancy that you literally get figured.

Yeah, well, you know who's a really big pelvic floor advocate?

Let me ask you one more question. Lauren Elizabeth.

Yes, she is.

I was thinking about her yesterday.

Reach out to your local influencer.

When they check your cervix dilated. Hand? What do they use?

Hand.

Okay, so I'm getting ready.

Yeah, hand. You got answers, but they're not solutions that you can implement until you're done being pregnant.

She was like, Listen, all these things I'm going to give you might help. When you're done being pregnant, there's a whole host of things you can do. This problem will be solved, and I should have taken care of it before I got pregnant. But in the meantime, I'm starting physical therapy. She said it actually might really help or not Not at all. But even if it doesn't help at all, pelvic floor therapy is really good to do before labor. So it's fine.

Well, I'm glad that you are finding answers. Then I tripped leaving the fucking doctor's office as I was waving goodbye.

I was like, Thank you so much. And I tripped. She was like, Oh, be careful. And I wanted to die. I was wearing this stupid big platform UGGs.

What are you doing?

I don't know. I'm wearing them today. Oh, my God. I really need to stop.

And UGGs are not snow shoes.

It ain't snowing. I thought you said it was snowing in New York. Three days ago for a couple of hours. It didn't even stick.

But there's not snow on the ground? No. It didn't stick. Okay, because you really shouldn't wear UGGs.

My snow song obviously didn't work.

Damn, I'm sorry. No, I have my moon boots for when it snows.

This is just chilly. It's 25 degrees today. It feels like eight.

It's very cold here as well, too. I'm loving it. It's very cold here as well. I can wear any coat I want. Any coat. Can you believe? Do you even have a coat closet in your house because you live in Florida? Yeah, I do. Where? And when I get to... Across from the supplies closet, like next Next to the guest room. You probably never even saw it. We also keep luggage in there. Supplies closet.

Oh, I know. Next to the guest room. By the guest bathroom.

Yeah. There's two closets facing each other.

Cool. That's a nice thing about moving out of a cold weather area, how much square footage I dedicate to big Pover jackets? I could build a whole other closet if I wanted to.

I should probably sell them, but I can't. I love them so much. For the one day or the one time you go to or when I come to New York, I want my pick of the litter. My neighbor, though, she got rid of all of her coats, so I offered if she wanted to borrow one.

Yeah, that's definitely a tough spot to be in because you grew up in New York. You've been collecting coats your whole life, and coats are expensive.

Yeah, I love them, and it's not posing an issue right now, so it's a problem for another day.

Did you watch the Real House Fest at Beverly Hills last night?

I did. I watched the last two episodes. Me too. And I enjoyed myself.

So did I. I actually have a lot of thoughts, even though not much happened. Just want to just say this to one Sutton's track. Excuse Excuse me, one Camille Grammer. I don't remember a time in history where somebody's been a bigger loser on TV than Camille Grammer was at that party.

No, it was really odd. I also want to say the second to last episode that came out a few weeks ago, I sat down to watch it three separate times, and I couldn't even make it through 30 seconds without just getting distracted and moving on because they start with Jennifer Tilly in every episode. I don't know why. I don't even know this person.

What is with the Jennifer Tilly agenda?

I don't know. I don't mind her in the context of the show, but opening with Jennifer Tilly scene. I didn't realize Kyle was coming to her house until I made it through the full minute last night. And then Sutton. Starting with her and her dolls and her-I completely agree.Foe Butler, I just literally couldn't even make it through.

Every time somebody asks her about something, whether it's a material item, she always has to say how much it is. She's literally Dana, 25,000. What a cute dress.

Except she's got this stuff to back it up.

Yeah, of course. But it's so obnoxious. When the Chucky doll was wearing a Gucci dress, Gucci custom made, John Like, Caliano. Like, shut up. If that was my friend, that is the most annoying trait in a friend. Just name dropery, one-up-ery.

Yeah. Is she going to show us the house that she lives in or just this other house for her doll?

I'm glad she address that because she's so wealthy, everything she has is custom. And she was in this little bungalow. I'm like, it's not adding up, even though it is in Bel Air. But her addressing that this was her entertaining house and then her dwelling for lodging is down the road. I appreciated that.

So crazy. So yes, we'll recap Beverly Hills at the end. We actually have a lot of really good stories that we need to discuss. I feel like you're going to be like, Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, for everything. Okay, great.

Well, Kaya.

Kaya.

That's really crazy. We need to discuss.

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Our first story, I actually forgot about this story until you just mentioned it, and I had to bump something. That's how many premium stories there are today. Oh my God. I know. Austin Butler and Kygerber are in Blitzville, no longer dating. Tmz has learned that Austin and Kaya have kicked off the new year with a new relationship status. Single sources told TMZ that the couple ended their romantic relationship around the end of the year, which explains why he wasn't on Kaya's family trip to Mexico for For the new year, even though he would usually go and the brother bought his girlfriend. Yeah, of course, he wouldn't miss it for the world. Tmz says there's no blood between the couple, just relationship ran its course after three good years together.

Yeah, I believe that. I don't think either one of them cheated, and I'm not desperately surprised by this, or I'm definitely not upset. I think the future holds great things for Kaya Gerber, and I do actually think that this relationship was starting to hold her At the height of Elvis, it was all good, right? Yeah. She was dating Jacob Alorty, and then she hopped over to Austin, and they fell in love, and he was having this moment, and it was great. We've spoken about this at length. I'm not going to wax on about why I dislike Austin Butler, just from a personality perspective. He's never done anything to personally offend me. But I think that now he's annoying. I think he's a little bit... This is going to sound mean. I feel like it's a little bit of a joke. Everybody's just always making fun of his voice and Elvis.

I don't know.

I feel as though he squandered a little bit like that moment.

He could have gone- The momentum. Even though people said that he was in Dune 2. Yeah, he was. I didn't see him at the Golden Globes table.

Yeah, I'm just saying he didn't pop off in the way that you would have expected somebody to after that type of moment with Elvis. So I feel that now, Kyah Gerber can go on to do bigger and better things. And as one of the world's leading models and nepo babies, who you date is a huge part of your career. It is. It's fascinating to me. And I'm happy to lay this to rest.

I agree. I feel like- Realize Shannon. Just like we were talking about Zendaya and Tom and a little bit Kylie and Timothy. At three years, you're either marrying this person or you're breaking up with them. Same for our next story, which is Page and Craig, which we'll get to. But when you're a certain age, if you don't see a future with this person, even though we're having fun and I like you, it's a breakup because you got to move on with your life.

I remember the last time we were talking about Austin Butler. He was cast. Remember, we just were talking about that as a story. He was cast as someone.

Oh, psychopath.

Patrick Bateman.

American Psycho.

Patrick, yeah.

But it's like Christian Bates.

Bates.

Patrick Bates, formerly played by Christian Bale.

Whatever, like a serial killer under Jay.

And she doesn't want to be around for the method acting.

Well, not only that, but I had referred to her as his fiance. I did actually think that they were engaged. So they did reach this inflection point where if you're not growing together, you're growing apart. And so this is actually not surprising to me at Yeah. I'm happy about it, sorry. You know who else is happy about it, even though I know she's too busy being happy?

Olivia Jane.

No.

Vanessa.

Vanessa. Don't forget the Anne Hudgens. That, to me, is one of the greatest injustices in Hollywood. I know she's moved on. She's literally married with a baby. I know she's genuinely happy. But what was done to her?

You can be happy while also being happy when the people who have wronged you fail. It doesn't mean you're not healed. That doesn't make you a not a happy person. It's true.

It doesn't mean you haven't moved on if you're happy that the person who wronged you is now being wrong. Sorry. That's life. I don't believe in happiness to everyone. I'm healed. No, bitch. No. So I hope she's having a It was a good day.

Are you ready for our next story, which is some more Splitzville news? Because Craig Conover has spoken out about his split from Paige, and he is revealing more details, which is that she broke up with him. Previously, they didn't tell us who broke up with who. I assume He assumed that he broke up with her. I felt like it was mutual. I don't know why I had this idea in my head that they were like, If we're not engaged by the end of the year, then we're going to break up because it's three years now.

The way I had envisioned it was mutual, but definitely Paige is not wanting to progress. Him basically being like, Listen, I am at this point in my life. I want to get married and have kids, and I want to do it with you. Her being like, I'm not there yet. And so them both being like, Well, we're at a standstill. So I was surprised.

I feel like he was waiting for her, and I had thought that he got to a point where he couldn't wait any longer. I really thought it was him because she would have kept doing what they were doing. But no, he didn't give an ultimatum, it seems like, or anything. Then she broke up with him after Thanksgiving, before the holidays. He said in his video that it was a bit shocking. Right before the holidays, I was very shocked. He said, It's okay. It takes two people to be in a relationship. You can't control other people. You can only control how you react to it. He said, Remember to be kind to Paige and me and yourselves and all that good stuff. I'm still processing everything which is normal three-year relationship. It's your best friend who you talk to all day, every day. Then they're just gone.

No, let me tell you.

There's so much subtext here, don't you find?

Yes, definitely. I also I've never been through a breakup. Paige and Craig feel like... They just reminded me a lot of me and Ben, just personality-wise. Really nice guy, girls, funny and bitchy and strong personality. I mean, bitchy in a good way. Not me comparing myself to Paige. The video made me so sad. Yeah, that is literally your life partner. They literally live together in multiple states, but it made me so sad. I've never experienced a breakup in the way he was just talking about it. I was like, damn, that's It sucks.

No, and he's sitting in front of the house that he built for Paige, waiting for her to come home. On this season of Southern Charm, he says it multiple times to the point of, are they airing? Are they playing the same sound bite over and over again? Or is he keep saying the same thing where he says, I built this oasis for Paige and I, an oasis away from the world. Now he's there alone in the backyard. It's like, Mayfair, I think she helped decorate it. It was their idea of an oasis, and now 50% of the person is gone.

Paige had also spoken briefly on her podcast about the fallout from the breakup and just how there's so many rumors about her. Nothing really bothers her, but the one thing she wanted to address is people saying that she was dating Marcello from SNL and cheated on Craig with him. She's like, That's just not true. I actually had to text Marcello because I felt so weird. She's like, I've never... I had only texted him once before in my life. I actually felt so weird. But you want to apologize when all this drama. He's like, I don't even know. She said, he might have a girlfriend. I feel weird. Rumor cleared.

What was that? I didn't think that for one second. I didn't even think that they knew each other. I'm sorry, she even had his number. That's more than I would have guessed.

Well, it sounded like not out of the realm of possibility for him because he's friends with Hannah.

Oh, okay.

So that's how they know each other. So that's the connection.

I don't think she cheated on Craig. No, of course she didn't. Not with him. She also said, which I also found there was some subtext, she said, And no one in the situation defended me, which I thought was interesting. I think she's trying to say, Craig should have said something.

Yeah, I think that now, Not that it's getting contentious at all.

No, but I think this Craig video-I think Paige and her fans are perceiving this video as trying to make Paige into the villain, throwing her under the bus a little bit.

Everyone's like, he's saying he was blindsided, but were you just blind? Then And then Craig and his fans being like, Craig is a victim. Look at him, sweet little man in his oasis. Another thing about, and I don't watch Southern Charm, but I know, especially when Craig came on the podcast and talked to us about how he's really evolved past a lot of his cast mates, just in terms of maturity and growth. And a lot of that had to do with being in a happy relationship and thinking about the future. It pains me to think about how he was in such a different place than so many of his male friends from the show. Not that he's left them behind, but he carved out a new life for himself. Now, he's in that life alone. Is he going to have to crawl back to Austin and be like, Let's go out?

Well, Austin and him, they have their disagreements, but they're always connected. They do a podcast together. You can't do that with someone that you're not friends with. I think even though now his day to day might look a little different, I think he knows what he wants his life to look like. I don't think it will be a long time before he finds the person that wants the same things as him. Austin is in a serious relationship now, though.

Wait, but you had said a couple of days ago that you wouldn't be surprised if a couple of months go by and these two realize that it wasn't the right choice. They missed each other. Yada, yada. Because that's when we thought it was amicable and mutual. I don't feel that way anymore.

Me neither. No, but the thing is, it was amicable and mutual. And I just don't feel... I just don't feel that way anymore. I thought it was because they had given themselves this Timer, and if they hadn't made a decision, they knew it was best to move on. But I think it's more like what you said where it was like...

It's not the person.

Maybe it's very close to being her person, but it's not the life that she wants. That's not going to change. Now I do feel like the small things that they're saying, and I guess maybe it just goes to show there's no right way. There's no way to tell what happened without pissing the other person off a little bit because both of them have been so respectful in everything that they've said, and I could still see how the other one would be nifted by it.

Yes, but that's just... Even the best of breakups are impossible.

Then, of course, when you see that person with the next That's where it gets. Yeah. That's why I don't like to speculate on who they would be with next. You know, Craig and Kaya and Paige and Austin, Butler.

Craig and Kaya, Paige and Austin.

I do see it.

I see both. I don't even know which one I see more. Austin... Okay, Paige needs a guy like Austin, and Craig needs a girl like Kaya.

And Kaya needs a guy like Craig. She's a homebody. She's a nerd.

Very family-first, very Hamish The Salt of the Earth energy, even though I've literally never met her. Bookish.

She likes to read.

She read a book once, yeah.

I think Austin, I mean, Austin would love Paige. And she- What's not to love? Looks like his type.

She looks like Kaya.

Yeah, she looks like Vanessa.

She looks like Vanessa.

I think Paige would love Hollywood.

I think Hollywood would love Paige. I agree. What if we just did... What if we just swam? Wife swam. Yeah. But it does feel like a third big celebrity breakup is going to come at us. These things happen in threes.

Okay, so then maybe we could add more names to the mix.

Let's cross our fingers. Who do we hope is next?

Who's dating?

Selena and Benny.

No, I like them together.

Okay. Sound off in the comments. Who do you want to break up next?

Or no, who do you think will break up next? Whether you want them to or not. Yeah. Well, Are you ready for our next story, which is some tea? More fall out from the Brianna Grace chicken fry. Zack Brian, just kick the hornets nest with this one. Wait, Zack Brian? No, this is what's made everything fold the way that it has. He kicked the hornets nest, and now like-Oh, yeah.

He didn't even know what he was doing when he broke up with Brianna's chicken fry. Oh my God.

Because the thing is, this most recent update- Now, it's not even about him. No, this most recent update, though, is part of that story because it all happened because of Zack Brian.

It's the catalyst, is the word you're looking Yeah, that's why I said he kicked the hornets mess. I understand. Yes, I watched this whole video because you know how much money other podcasters make is my favorite subject in the world.

Agreed. She screen shared with me on FaceTime, so I could see it.

I was like, Jackie, you have to watch this TikTok. I tried to download and send it to you, but Dave Portner's video was too long. Okay, so read the story.

Okay, so Dave Portner is setting the record straight on Grace O'Malley's exit from Barstool Sports. A couple of things happened in the last few weeks. Grace left Barstool. She left the podcast We talked about that on the show.

Broke it down on... No, it was on Patreon.

Okay. No, first her leaving, Pamree being over was on this show. Then on Patreon, she left Barstool, and she's actually doing a new podcast with Unwell, which is Alex Cooper's Network. That was just interesting, and she's going it on her own. No more Barstool for Paige, for Grace. Then she went on Theovon's podcast this week, and she's talking about a lot of things, but among them, she was talking about how much she got paid at Barstool.

It's so funny because the clips that I had seen going around were her talking about Brianna. I didn't even see actually any of the clips of her talking about how much she got paid at Barstool. I actually thought her speaking about Brianna was really... It was respectful. It felt like perhaps these two could come back. It wasn't a knock-down, drag-out. She really didn't say anything bad. The whole thing was just had a sad undertone to it. So I was like, Oh, okay. I didn't even see the Barstool stuff until Dave posted this video because he was mad about some of the things Grace had said regarding her compensation package at Barstool.

Yes. Wait, I have it. I just want to pull the quote of what she said because she said... She was talking about her time at Barstool. She said that she made a salary. She didn't just earn from the show.

She said she made no money from her podcast. Then Theo pushed her and was like, Well, you made an annual salary. You had an annual contract, and she was like, Oh, yeah, I had a salary. It first made it sound like she was doing the work for free.

Right. Then he says, Was it a good salary? She says, It was decent. My buddy was making a little bit more, a lot bit more, a whole shit ton more. And that's Bre. She's saying, Bre was making a lot more than her. So Dave broke it down because that's one thing that he's not going to take.

I guess this is one of his pet peeves. There is a stereotype that they don't pay their talent very well, and that if you work at Barstool, you're taking a pay cut if you were doing it anywhere else, for yourself.

Yeah, because at Barstool, unlike other networks, at Barstool, if you do a a podcast with them, it seems as though you get paid a salary, regardless of how big or small your podcast is, which is good for smaller creators because they're going to get paid even if their show is making no money. Then bigger people, like famously call her Daddy, might not make, or don't make as much as they would if they own their show, but they're getting the benefits of Barstool marketing, promotion, advertising sales.

It's a really interesting setup they have, and not a lot of... I actually don't know anyone else, any other media company that does it that way. They salary all their talent, which almost no talent makes a salary. And they also help facilitate brand deals for the talent on their social media, sponsorships at different shows and stuff. And then they have a rev share. So he had shared that Grace was getting 70% of her social media. I'm sure the bigger you are, the better contract you have, you can get 80, 90. But 70 is actually like a-70 is pretty industry standard.

It is. And also the bigger you are, the more money that you are making. And so the more money you are earning, the 70% is just of a bigger pie. But anyways, he She just said flat out, We paid Grace $175,000 a year to do the podcast. And then she also made 70% of anything we could sell her on, so social media, and roughly made an extra-75. 75 that way for a net total of $250,000 in the last year, which is a lot of money.

It is. I think that people... I've seen, when I was reading the comments, it's like, Oh, my God, that's so much money. Then people being like, A quarter of a million for an influencer. I think that a lot of people, I see Grace now as she's nationally recognized. She's on Theo Vaughn, one of the biggest podcasts. At the time, and this is what we were saying on Patreon that was so interesting, we're talking about Plan Bria, Plan Bria, Plan Bria, that podcast. It's called Her Daddy. It's really important to note at the time, it's a relatively small show. It's not unsuccessful. You can look at their numbers on YouTube, which I believe is their strongest platform. It wasn't like a Gangbusters, a million downloads per episode. I want to say it's an average size podcast. At the time, now Now seeing Grace, oh my God, making $250,000 a year, she's a bigger star than that. At the time, the work that you were doing and you get paid for your output, which is Plan Bre, it was a small, successful show, but small. $250 salary, no matter how bad or good the show does.

175 salary for the show.

Yeah, sorry. That's actually very good. If you were doing that podcast of that size at another network where you just keep everything you earn, I don't know their numbers, but based on what I think that they are, you would be less than that.

I agree. I was running some rough numbers for a standard strong podcast, but not top 100, not top 200, maybe.

Yeah. Let's say they took Plan Bre to podcast one. They got a good deal. They had somebody selling ads for them. You get a rev share, you keep most of your revenue, and they're splitting it.

No way. But they're also what Dave was saying, yeah, her buddy Bre was making more because when Bre came to Barstool, she already had a lot of followers. She was an influencer. She was doing her show already, so she had a higher salary. As Bre told us, she brought Grace into Barstool, on the bottom floor of working your way up. So this is her entry salary to be not 50%, the show is called Plan Bre. She's not even 50% of the show. So it's actually really a good, generous deal.

I was surprised.

And then there's opportunity to make more money by selling your social media. And then Dave also said, typically Barstool talent can't do outside projects because they want to commission it and sell it. Foster it, yeah. But she went and started doing other things.

I think Dave looked- Like stand-up comedy.

Yeah, Dave looked the other way because typically, that's not done. But I think he's actually really generous with people, even though they have a contract. That he likes. He just lets them break their contract a little bit. He's not going to fight every battle. He's not going to squeeze out every penny from someone. He was also giving her leeway to make more over here. I feel like he feels like he was really generous with her. For her to say that is just untrue. It just really also harks back to call her daddy Because at the time when Call Her Daddy went down, they were making half a million dollars, $500,000 each.

Well, that was the offer. Right. Remember their contracts? They were nobodies. They signed to Barcell for three years, and it was $65,000 a year.

Right. But then they made more. They had points on merch, and they wound up taking home a bigger salary than that. But that was so insane because they were literally top five podcasts.

They beat Joe Rogan every week.

All categories, all time. They didn't get a huge increase to keep them happy for what they were doing the biggest podcast at Barstool. It's true. Clambray was not that. It was just a good podcast at Barstool.

It was a mid-tier successful show.

I feel like what she got paid was very commiserate with the work and not a low offer whatsoever.

No, I agree. You have to think about when you're an influencer and you decide to go to Barstool, you have to think about what you're getting from that, which is a million eyeballs who never would have heard of you. But you're also giving up for sure different opportunities of being a freelance influencer, going to whatever events you want, doing any brand deals you want. And so there is a little bit of a push-pull. Trade-off. Yeah. And so I had thought that you get a... When Dave made that video, I was like, Oh, damn, I wonder what he's going to say because it's probably like 50, $60,000 a year because I knew what the Caller Daddy Girls had gotten. And I was shocked when he said 175. It's much more than I had thought, especially just that salary was to do the podcast. Right. And You know what a podcast that size can earn?

The only thing he didn't respond to, which I'm just curious, she said that she didn't make any money from the tour. They did their plan retour. He didn't even talk about it. But who earned those ticket sales? That all went to Barstool?

That goes to Barstool, But then he had said that one of Barstool's things they do is they sell sponsorships for live shows. There was probably, I think it was pirate water, something that sponsored their tour. I don't know why Grace wouldn't get a piece of that.

Yeah.

If she's the one She's actively traveling and doing the work, too.

Yeah, but also when you're salaried, whether you work more or work less. That's a part of your job. Here's the thing. She's doing tours, she's working more, but she's making the same salary. But the last few months of 2024, they weren't doing episodes of Plan Bree, and she's still making the salary. That's the trade-off of being salaried is you get paid when you're doing more work or less work.

That's true, actually. You also just think about all the Barstool shows that do live podcasts. A lot of them do, Chicks in the Office. The talent, the hosts, don't get the ticket sales. You work for a big company. Yeah. I was thinking that maybe Brianna was getting the ticket sales. No, nobody was. They both were getting salaried and working for their company.

I'm sure also everyone has different contracts. I imagine other...

The Chicks in the Office do so many tours.

I would be shocked.

Chicks in the office have been there for so long. They definitely have an amazing contract. They seem really happy.

They seem really happy.

But they were small potatoes at one point, too. They work hard, and they're the biggest female show at that.

I'd love to hear from them on this.

I feel like they stay out of drama. I I feel like they do really well. That's been huge to their benefit. There's so much Barstool drama. They never get involved. They show up every day, and they do their jobs.

No, they get involved sometimes. I feel like they spoke on call or daddy stuff. But I would love to hear how it went for them because I feel like when they started their show and they were interns, they probably weren't making a lot of money, but their show grew, and they've probably been growing with it. I think it would be a good just testament of the Barstool model.

Yeah. Well, wait, there was one more thing I wanted to say. I did feel Now, when we look at Grace and Brianna, they're equals in terms of Fame, success, followers, engagement. They really are on equal playing fields. For Grace to say on Theovonne, My buddy was making a lot more than me, that's so fucked up. I'm glad that David dressed It is misleading to say because the implication is that we were doing equal work and we were of equal stature and equal size and equal followership and getting paid differently, which is inherently wrong. It's morally bankrupt to do. But that's not the case. It is now. But at the time when she was brought on, she was... I hate this word, but before things went sour, she was very much like, Brianna's sidekick, right? Yeah. I hate that word. It's so derogatory. I'm sorry, that's not what I meant. I mean, like- But there are so many podcasts that have- Support, support, support.

There are so many podcasts that have a host. It's like Howard Stern and Robin. Yeah. Does she make the same as Howard Stern?

No, but they have the same amount of air time.

They're on the same, but it's a Howard Stern show. Exactly. I agree.

It's support.

I would be shocked if Howard Stern and Robin made the same amount. Maybe they do. That would be shocking.

This saga, I feel like this is exactly- nick Vile has five cast of characters on a show.

Do they make the same as nick Vile?

Vile files? No. I feel like this is exactly what happened with Call Her Daddy. Every time we were reporting on it, we were getting further and further away from the potential of these two reuniting.

No.

This is technically between Grace and Dave, so maybe it It didn't impact the Brianna of it all. But Dave really does a lot of the time speak on behalf of Brianna. I do feel we're getting further and further away.

No, something happened. I remember we said on the show, if nothing more happens, they'll be fine. But then something else happened, they're not coming back together. I actually started listening to Grace on Theovon this morning. I didn't get to any of this stuff, but I think she's just completely moved on. She took her show off of Barstool. She's joined the new network. But what was surprising about that is I felt like every time they talked about the situation on BFF's pod, Dave spoke really well of Grace and was holding space for both of them working at the company and it being fine. For her to leave and do that and now say this, now the blood is bad.

Yeah, between Dave and her. I think so. Brianna and her were always whatever, but you're right. And Dave actually said in his video that he was pissed about what he saw on Theo Bon, and he texted Grace. I wish he told us how that conversation went, but he confronted her directly.

Also, what Dave said, which I thought was also interesting, is that Grace was then supposed to do her own show at Barstool after plan Grace. This was going to be the pay structure.

They had a role for her.

She was going to make $175,000 a year from her show. When Barstool earned that exact money back from her show, she would get a cut of all revenue going forward, It's like 50/50, which it's like, then she's operating with no risk, only reward.

Yeah, you don't have to pay for production. As a podcaster, everything, social clips, audio editing, studio rentals, that's all on you. And that's one of the benefits of working at Barstool is you have access to the tech in the world, and you don't have to spend a dollar. We were saying, it's push, pull, risk, reward. Yeah, you're giving up opportunities to do X, Y, and Z, but you don't have to take on the financial risk that is launching your own show.

But it seemed like for Grace, she wasn't even missing out on opportunities because she was doing the stuff that she wanted to do, and nobody said anything.

Right. Dave was like, We let her do her stand up without intervening. I feel like what I took away from this saga, because I definitely was the type of person who thought Barstool paid their employees actual pennies on the dollar. My takeaway is that Barstool, not only salaries, but also their pay structure. I didn't even know you could get a cut of your show once you earn back your salary. I feel like it's not such a bad deal. I always thought, if you went to Barstool, you were giving up so much. You're literally not.

No, and you're gaining so much. And I guess until, because we do it on our own, we do all the-We know how the numbers work. No, and we know what it entails and the things that they benefit from Just the network, the distribution, ad sales, video, editing, a million things. Until you know what all of that is, I feel like you can't appreciate what Barstool does for people.

No, and I feel like there are some people who had shows at Barstool and then went on to do it outside. We can't include Call Her Daddy in this conversation because the level that it got to, it was just as big as Barstool. So it is the exception to this conversation. But people who just have had shows at Barstool and then have decided to either leave or do them on their own, it's, I think, a slap in the face when you leave and everything is your responsibility, financially, but also booking a studio. It's nice.

I feel like also at Barstool, people just don't do the show for a week or... Something drama is happening, but you're still getting paid when you're not at a network like that. If you don't do a show, you're not getting paid.

If you don't do a show, you don't get paid. It's true. That's actually... So much of this particular line of work, which is fabulous, I'm not complaining, is a little bit unstable. You earn as much as you You earn, and that's it. It's not like a cushy- You earn as much as you work. Yeah. To have the creative freedom to do podcasts and Instagram stories, but also have a salary to fall back on, and I imagine health insurance, that's crazy. Health insurance. Should we work at Barstool? Don't even talk about the health insurance.

It sounds amazing. Don't even talk about the health insurance. Maternity leave. Also, I'm sure they have in their contracts, you can't do zero. They probably have episode minimums, but it just seems like someone's having a hard month. We're not doing a podcast this month. We're taking the month off.

Actually, so true. Even with Call Her Daddy, they were protesting and they just stopped doing episodes. Right. Selpa. Help us, remember? Right.

Help us.

I'm sorry, they were funny.

That was a crazy time.

That was one of the best times of my life, honestly. That was just seeing women in podcasting take the world by storm. Then we had something to talk about every day. Obviously, us with our informed takes. That was just a crazy time.

Yeah. The wind up here, Grace is doing it out on her own now.

I'm actually really curious. She's been launched to a new level of stardom, so it would be an unfair comparison. But what is she making now? With her stand-up comedy tour, which is super successful, a show she's going to launch, and then just being an influencer. But she's much more famous now because of the scandal, so it wouldn't be a fair comparison, like 2025 to 2024 earnings.

Right. We'll see.

Yeah.

We shall see. Are you ready for our next story? Number 4. Number 4. Yeah. Okay.

Fuck it.

I have to go to the bathroom. Let me know when would be a good time to do that.

Well, it's not really ever going to be a good time because you are one of our spokespeople today.

I know.

Okay, you know what? You go.

I'll go quick.

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Our next story, a little more pay news. Nikki Glazer revealed her pay for the hosting the Golden Globes, and the Golden Globes wants her back, so she'll be making more next time. But here's the tea. The Roast Queen was paid a bit more than $400,000 for her stint hosting the Golden Globes. She said that the fee will rise significantly, a well-placed source said, not her, sorry, if and when she comes back to host the Globes for the third year in the five-year deal the Globes has with CBS.

Well, brilliant of her to use the momentum, all the positive feedback from this most recent event to cinch herself not only another deal, but one that I'm sure is more. I didn't realize that they paid hosts. Honestly, I thought it was a gig you do for the opportunity.

For the Super Bowl.

Yeah. But the Super Bowl is sponsored. Actually, I believe you do get paid by Pepsi or Apple Music.

Oh, interesting. Are you sure?

That was just my thought. I don't think the NFL pays you, but I think if you're going to be out here promoting Pepsi, yeah.

Oh, I just feel like there's not enough money. Then we're talking 50, 100 million. Also, I wanted to see what Joe Koy made because I had heard that she made less than him, which is so unfair. What? Yeah.

You're fucking kidding me. That's so crazy because even though he did a bad job and she did a good job, when they both booked this gig, Nikki Glaser was a bigger star than Joe Koy. She's a bigger get.

Yeah, I don't know. I'm not seeing how much exactly he got paid.

No, the NFL does not pay artists directly for performing at the Super Bowl halftime show. Instead, artists are paid on a union scale, which is a minimum wage guaranteed by a union contract like SAG Aftra. Contracts, you have to get paid at least $1,000 a day for it to be legal. The NFL does cover all the costs associated with the show, including production and travel expenses. However, artists can still profit from the halftime show in other ways, like increased album sales, streaming, etc. You're right. There no fee.

Got it. Well, so Nikki was on Howard Stern, and she recap her time at the Gloves. What she had said was, sorry, not Joe Coy then. This is what she said. I don't know why I just assumed it was him. She said, There was a past host who said how much he got paid in his monolog, and I got less than that, but that's I'll get more next year, she said. She said, I feel well paid for what I do. I'm all right. Yeah, I agree. I thought it was going to be less than what I thought it was. Me too. So I'm like, for a night on the town, 400K, pretty good.

I feel better. Because if it was Jimmy Kimmel who said what he got paid, for some reason, Hollywood has decided to make him an enormous star, even though I believe he's undeserving of that due to lack of talent. But if he had gotten, let's say, $750,000, okay, fine.

Okay, so it was Gerard Carmichael who said at the 2023 Golden Globe that he was being paid $500,000.

Oh, that's interesting because like, Gerard Carmichael is very funny, but he's really not taken off in the way that people thought he would when he got the Carmichael show. He's super talented, but in terms of stardom, I would say Nikki is a much bigger star than he is.

Yeah. I just feel like the job is the same amount of work for everyone, so people should get paid the same.

The same. That's actually a really good point.

Right.

Then based on your Q score afterwards, you should get a bonus. Did you suck?

Well, she will probably do it again next year. She'll definitely get a bonus. Well earned.

I think that to negotiate herself a deal three days after while people are still loving it, and Golden Globes has confirmed she is returning I wouldn't be surprised if they offered her 750.

A million. Make it a million.

She's worth it. A cool mil. She's going to continue to do amazing things this year because she has so much momentum and wind at her back. The thing about Nikki Glazer, that's nice, is I had a gig I needed to book someone for. It's always a risk. Are they going to do a good job? Not with Nikki. Even when I think she would consider herself not having done the best job, everybody would love it. She's just good at what she does.

Yeah.

But Forge, okay. Okay, not bad. It's a lot of work, a lot of rehearsals, a lot of writing. Yes, it's a lot of work, a lot of rehearsals, a lot of writing.

Yes. It's not just the night of.

It's not like a four-hour gig.

A lot of prep goes into it. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

Devastating. Bitting is such It's Sarah, but we do still have the TV recap, so yes.

Yes. Well, Scarlett Johansson will co-host MBC's Today with Jenna and Friends in January for one week. As we move into the new year, Hoda is out. Jenna is looking for her replacement, and she's having Jenna with Friends. And Scar Joe is guesting for a week, perhaps auditioning, probably not, but I wouldn't be surprised, considering this is surprising.

This was just adding fuel to the fire of a conspiracy theory that I saw on Twitter that Colin Jones and Scarlett Johansson are in debt. Honestly, When I was just talking about pop culture Jeopardy and how weird Colin Jost's presence is, them being in debt actually makes a lot of sense. What are these gigs these two are picking up?

So him being in debt makes sense. Her, no.

So true. She's Transformers or Avengers.

She's like Marvel. She's the face of a million brands. I feel like his job doesn't pay as much as he wants it to pay. I think he's got lofty dreams of how he should be living, I think.

Yeah, and maybe marrying Scarlett Johansson wasn't enough.

Yeah, or maybe she's just not open with the purse strings like he thought she would be.

This is weird because like, guest hosting the Today Show-That doesn't explain why she's doing this. Yeah, guest hosting the Today Show, obviously, is prestigious. But it's a terrible gig. It's super early. It's a lot of hours. It's a lot of research. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of criticism. For a lot of people, it's like a stepping stone. Somebody who's on the rise, this is a huge opportunity. I wouldn't say it's a huge opportunity for Scarlett Johansson. It's an opportunity for the Today Show, the fact that she's committed to this.

Yeah, it's interesting. Maybe it's just for a bit of fun, or maybe she wants the stability of a daily gig.

Or her and JBH are friends as New Yorkers, and you're doing it as a favor to a friend.

Or she has something big coming out, and this will be her week of press.

Oh, okay. Yeah, maybe.

That's good. Just to be sat at the Today Show, that's not bad.

Who else are we throwing names in for? I feel like you have to think about who lives in New York, and so that's another thing. I think they're definitely limited. Someone Someone would come, but somebody who lives and can come by on a dime.

Here's who's co-hosting in this, Jenna and Friends, but I don't know if that means it's an audition or just we're having fun. Stopping by. Tarajy P. Hensen, Eva Longoria, Kiki Palmer. Now, of course, Kiki Palmer would be amazing.

Kiki Palmer is an The Job. Kiki Palmer is an audition, and Kiki Palmer absolutely should get the job. She literally has done the job before. She was in the 11th hour of GMA or whatever with Michael Strahan and- Sarah. The other swirly. Give her the job. I feel about Kiki Palmer the way I feel about Blazer. Like, truly talented. Job well done. It's not for lack of talent, it's for lack of talent. It's for lack of opportunity. The fact that she hasn't taken the world by storm.

No, and it's not like a risky bet. You know that she's going to do a good job.

1,000%. What about Andy? Is he going to... I feel like he's just one of the people they just throw in when you need someone.

Yeah. I feel like he's too much. I feel like you can't do Radio Andy.

Watch What Happens Live.

Two daily shows and then a third.

He used to host all the time with Kelly Ripo, and she was like...

And I don't think he wants to wake up that early.

Looking for a mate. It's so true. Two young kids.

If there was a job he was going to do, it would have been Kelly Rippa. That's the seat he would have filled. Yeah. And he has late nights with Watch What Happens Live.

You can't wrap at 11. Actually, Watch What Happens Live is barely live ever anymore.

I feel like it was live last night. They did polls, so yeah, it was live. Okay.

So if they did polls, that's live. But I think they're operating at a once a week live. Yeah. Because you can tell when the guest is posting Instagram stories from a couple of days before, or when they're actually at midnight still in Tribeca. You can tell also with the paparazzi pictures, they literally leave the studio in their outfit. It used to be every night there was paparazzi, and people would wait outside. People don't even wait outside anymore because it was filmed at tune.

Yeah.

That's nice for Andy. It's like a dad. It's probably so nice to get home by five o'clock. I think he literally keeps 9:00 to 5:00.

Yeah. That would mean no to Today Show. Yeah.

Anyways. Also, I think it's hard because a lot of the people that would do this, out of the goodness of their heart, as a friend, would do it for Hoda, to do it with Hoda. She's the one who's friends with everyone, I feel like.

Yeah, but I'm sure over the years, Jenna has... She has a circle, for sure. Has a circle. Also, it's the job a million girls would kill for. Whether or not you know the other girl so well, I'm sat. We'll get to know each other.

I think the Scarlett Johansson thing is so weird.

Yeah, it's pretty random.

It is. If I was Scarlett Johansson, you literally could not pay me to wake up at 4 AM every day for a week for a thankless job.

I think once she does it, maybe we'll see why she's doing it. Maybe she's like us. Maybe she saw a morning show and this is the dream. You could live the dream for a week.

I think the theory that you floated that she's a big project coming out that particular week is brilliant. That's probably what it is.

Yeah.

Maybe it's a project she's really passionate about, not some big movie that doesn't need her to be waking up at 4:00 AM every day.

Yeah. We shall see. That's the latest. But Make a choice soon, Jenna.

What story got the boot?

Twitch drama.

I'm sorry. I can't believe you gave that story the boot. We have to talk about it.

Okay. Pull it up. Pull it up.

I actually don't have a lot of thoughts. I'm curious what other people's thoughts are. I don't watch. I never was into him on Ellen. I didn't watch So You Think You Can Dance. But this is a man and his wife who are tons of fans on social media from the dance community. And there's a lot of lore here that I'm not personally a part of, but this is really crazy.

So Steven Twitch- And let me tell you, the way I came to this story was I saw a tweet from Candice Dillard-Baset, former Real Housewife of Potomac, coming for Allison being like, What are you doing airing this man's dirty drawers?

She's like, I'm not going to say it, but... And then she said it. I was like, Oh, okay. And then I started seeing it everywhere. I'm like, Oh, Candice Dillard-Basset was onto something.

So I saw it from Liz Wood's because Ben Platt's sister posted, It took me a while to orient myself with who are these people because I don't- Sister-in-law.

Ben Platt's brother's wife.

Oh, that just makes it a little less connected. But still, she's a Platt. Courtney Ann Platt. I just had to orient myself to the story because I didn't really know Twitch He's also from Ellen, too, which I'm not an Ellen person, and so you think you can dance. Then a few years ago, he passed away. There was some mystery, like shrouding the circumstances, but also, I'm sure, as a measure of protection. It's very personal.

Sort of. But what the public was told, and I believe this is the truth, is that he suffered with his mental health and took his own life. It was so shocking because him and his wife, but him in particular, their whole thing was dance and music and love and joy. It was just so incongerous with the public-facing persona that He knew, and I think a lot of people took it really hard. He was just this light to a lot of people. It did, broadly, put a lot of attention on his wife. And they were a couple on social media together. They posted a lot, but he was the The Star.

Yeah. She is writing a memoir, and she just started promoting it. It's called This Far, My Story of Love, Loss, and Embracing the Light. She sat down with People magazine to talk about the memoir, and she disclosed that she allegedly discovered a cornucopia of drugs, including mushrooms, pills, and other substances that she had to look up on her phone, hidden in his closet. She's giving very intimate personal details about his addiction, drug use.

Then that created a wave of news stories Or is everybody picking this up. Well, because there hasn't been a lot of details about his death, and now it's like, Well, we're throwing addiction in the mix. And nobody knew that.

Right. These are very private details. I think even in the book, she's including excerpts from his journal. It's getting very personal, Especially when... I feel like people had a lot of questions when he passed, but have moved on because you recognize people are going through- And you respect. And you respect, and he has kids. She is now putting this all out there, talking about the issues that he had and sharing very intimate personal and things. She did her sit down with People magazine in promotion of this memoir. Now people, including Courtney and Platt, who-Former friends of his who-Former best friend of his.

If you're in the dance community, you know them.

Also, his brother and his friend, they're all slamming now. Everyone's now coming out who was close to him, just slamming the wife, the widower.

And sharing little things about her and their situation since his passing that we might not have known. I believe it was the brother saying that... What's her name? Allison, the wife? Yeah. Allison is keeping Twitch's mom from their kids, her grandchildren. It's getting really... The fact that so many publicly well-known people associated with Twitch, family members, former coworkers, are speaking out publicly, because I think that if we had done this as a story, we would say, Oh, that's weird. She's sharing journal excerpts. But it wouldn't have become a real thing. It's becoming a big thing because Because people are literally, like other celebrities and other members of his life are calling her out and then also drawing on the last couple of years of weird behavior, just accusing her of doing a little too much press when your husband passes away.

She changed her name on Instagram two days later. A couple of days later.Took off his last name.

A lot of thirsty behavior, which at the time, I think maybe a lot of people thought to themselves in private. I remember thinking, oh, that's really She did a People magazine interview or a cover, really somewhat recently after, but everybody creates in their own way, so you never say it, but you think it to yourself, obviously. But now we've said it.

No, and now everyone's saying it. Courtney, who was his friend, said, Anyone who knows me knows I go straight to the source during a conflict and handle my business. But since there's clearly no shame in being so public, I haven't said a word in two years, but here I go. This is by far the most tacky classless opportunistic act I have ever seen in my entire life, she went on. She referenced that that Twitch's friends and family had to sign some weird NDA in order to attend She added that Allison, the wife, treated her mother-in-law like garbage this entire time, so it's Twitch's mom. Elsewhere, she said, she called her out for smearing his name and attempting to dim the bright, loyal, loving light that was your husband and my friend. You're a living, breathing bulldozer. Stick to your own demon. Shame on you, Allison. Shame on your money hungry team. Let my friend rest in peace, not your PR.

No, it's really crazy. And everyone sharing this post, all their members from the Say yes to the His brother re-shared it and said, no lies told. Yeah. Then also somebody else from, I believe, a different family member saying, not only is this classless and tacky, it's also untrue. Basically saying that Twitch smoked weed and that was something that his wife didn't like, and they were actively arguing about and trying to get him to stop doing, but it wasn't an addiction to drugs.

Got it.

So that she's also just stretching the truth a little bit.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah. It was an accusation someone had made, not me. This is really crazy.

Yeah, really, really crazy. To go from being so private, even though there's things that people don't know, we're not going to share because we're just going to protect his legacy.

Because that's okay.

To then this, not only she sharing, but then everyone is tearing it up. It's actually as public and messy as you could get overnight.

It's really sad. Yeah. I think this happens... You keep things to yourself. If you do keep things to yourself, it's always to protect the kids. That's what the priority always is. I think that's why none of this has happened over the last two years. But at a point, you do get to a place where it's like, you're actively slandering the legacy of someone. If it's your brother, you feel a certain type of way about it. I'm all for keeping family business private, but I don't know. I hear them.

Yeah.

Yeah, crazy. But this is also a blind spot for me in terms of, I don't watch, so you think you can answer. I don't know the players. I can't judge based on character. I really don't know these people.

I agree, which was why it was sixth.

Who did?

And I was like, maybe we'll talk about it tomorrow. I'm sure more stuff is going to come out.

Yeah.

But we talked about it today.

No, I'm glad we talked about it. Let's do a TV recap. The Real House Fives of Beverly Hills, The Swirlies Were Swirling. Jackie and I both caught up on the most recent two episodes because I was behind from December. Let me just tell you, I continue to be dazzled by Ms. Erica Jane. First of all, Ben was watching. Ben was watching with me, and he was obsessed with her home renovation. Me too. Then I went to her Instagram because this was obviously filmed a year ago. Where is the after? I want to see what he did with that cabana.

I didn't go to her Instagram. I went to his Instagram, martinlaurencebalard. Did you find? No, not hers. I just wanted to see what his design is like because I just wanted to see what the vibes would be. He has a collab with Ruggable, so that's exciting. If you like his vibes, you could get an affordable rug with rugable. But yeah, no, he seems to be super legit, and I'm so excited for her. I was thinking, we don't realize it, how produced the show is, whereas everyone has to have a storyline every season. That's why people get made fun of when they have a boring storyline, like something buying a horse. But Obviously, Erica's storyline this season is redoing her house. And her life. And how liberating that is for her. Let me tell you, it's the most interesting story of all time. I could go for an hour of it. I know, highly on its face, it's like, she's redoing her house. That's your story. Yes.

Who cares?

That's her I know.

I completely agree. It actually makes me emotional for her. I'm actually so happy and proud of her. Every time they flash back to like, and what? The years of really crazy things that she went through. You look at her now and you could tell she's just even more stripped back. She wears less makeup. She's still fabulous and everything, but she looks so at peace. It's really crazy the journey that she's gone on, and I love her so much.

Yes, me as well.

She's such a good friend to Doreet.

Doreet needs that. As this season, like Dorit is my number one. Me too. I watched a little bit of Watch What Happens Live last night, and I was glad to see the audience is team Doreet over Sutton and team Dorit over Kyle at the moment. I think everyone's rallying around Doreet. The fact that Eric is really there for her, I do need her to go a Go further. Yeah, come off the fence a little bit.

You know who came off the fence?

Boz.

Boz. I loved it because I know that she likes Dorit better than she likes Sutton. But she has maintained this level of neutrality. Even in her confessional, she's like, Oh, these women are always fighting. I hate when new housewives do that. Claudia.

You don't know the premise of the show. I have the same thought, and it's like, they never stick around to actually get involved. I'm sure Sutton's first season, she's like, These women are always fighting. And now you're the one always fighting. Last season, I forgot the name of the other housewife, but she was always commenting on the fighting, except she did try and get involved, and it was premature. But they always have one out. Jennifer Tilly, always someone commenting on how much these women fight, and then they don't stick around to actually see why they're always fighting. I feel like we know they always fight. Thank you. That's the point. It's the point.

But Bowes took her time. She surveyed. She wanted to get to know people a little bit more. I actually think that was pretty smart of her. And she dipped her toe in, and I thought she was really swift with it.

And on the right thing, the right because like, Sutton went too far. Everyone could feel it.

A thousand %. She She was being so hypocritical in that moment. And that's the thing on the sprinter van and then at the cowboy party. It's like, you keep making these great declarations of sisterhood while saying the nastiest shit alive. So how do we reconcile that? And Boes was just pointing out the hypocrisy. Seriously, how do you say sisterhood, sisterhood, sisterhood? And then you go and say something so mean to somebody who's going through something so hard that you've been through, so you know how hard it is. You're using it as a weapon. And I don't like weaponize. It's like, well, shut up.

Also, you know what? She didn't like the word violate from Sutton.

It reminded me of No, not from Sutton.

From Crystal. Crystal. In that moment, it was a strong word. I think she had success with that line of arguing. Because Crystal was so dramatic. I don't like that word. Because Crystal was so dramatic. I don't like that word. It's too strong. Now she's doing it again. It's like, no, no, no. You literally textbook weaponized.

Yeah, yeah. And I like how she explained it to her like she was stupid. Well, you took something and you fashioned it to hurt someone else.

You fashioned it into a weapon.

It was really brilliant. I love to see Bo getting involved. I feel like Dorit is really tough. She can handle a lot. She She has Erica supporting her, but not vocally. So to have somebody step in. This is somebody who I feel holds power in the group because they're waiting to see where she falls. Everybody's kissing her ass a little bit, being like, We want to get to know Bo's too. So try. Yeah. I invited her over to her home. Doreet went to her home. You have to make a friendship happen. It doesn't just work that way. I was really happy to see her getting in there and shaking that thing.

No, same. Dorita has been so strong, and I feel like in the beginning, she lashing out at Kyle, and it felt like an overreaction. She wasn't wrong in how she was feeling, but it was just a lot after nothing, and they're fighting over subtleties that we have maybe missed. So it just felt like an overreaction. But I felt like in the last two episodes, she really explained herself so well and had an answer to everything that was charged at her. She's going through a lot, and when she said, I'm going through a lot, I cannot tolerate one more piece of bullshit in my life. So yes, I am angry. I felt that. And I feel like she's explaining herself herself so well and being just a very strong person. When she chewed up Camille Grammer and spat her out.

Oh my God, that was the greatest moment of my life because seriously, when Camille Grammer started talking-I was not expecting that. That's probably one of my It's really these favorite trops, keeping around random housewives, and they're trying so hard to have a moment. It was so clear that that's what that was. That conversation, that group of people, it had literally nothing to do. Then Camille is going on about her house burning down. Objection, relevance.

No one's talking to. When you zoom out, why was Camille at the party? Why was she in this conversation? That's Kyle, and that's Kyle working behind the scenes to undermine Doreet. To undermine Doreet and bring one more enemy to the table so that she doesn't have to do the heavy lifting. That's the shit that Doreet doesn't like that she's trying to tell us about.

Why I'm gravitating so much towards Doreet is because she's actually the only person who speaks and makes sense. When Sutton at the Aspen party, I keep saying the Aspen party, the Cowgirl Party, was just literally saying words that were not English. It was It's so frustrating. I feel like Kyle does that a lot, too. Just talking for the sake of a scene, not because it's how you feel. And so she's making a lot of sense. Every time someone comes for her, I feel like she has a legit rebuttal. And now with this PK thing, I didn't think about it until actually, who was it? I feel like it was Garcelle who said it. It's fucking weird.

Yeah. I was trying to... As much as, and Erica said this on Watch What Happens Live, the texting and the meme sending between them, it's innocent, totally innocent, but inappropriate. And I was trying to just put myself in like someone else shoes of two couples that really get along. If they were all splitting, if the man and the woman were still communicating at all, how wrong that would be. At the end of the day, I want to fast forward to when Dorit and Mauricio get together because that's how the story ends.

Kyle and her confessional saying that, PK has been a better friend to me than Dorit has.

That's really crazy. Wait, while also saying at the table that no matter what happens, I'm going to take Dorit's side because I'm a girl's girl, and then going and saying, Well, PK is a better to me. So you wouldn't take Doreet's side then.

She said a couple of things that were so crazy. She took a picture with Keisha and was like, Oh, no, I'm taking a picture with a musician. Let the rumors start. As if the only thing she did was take a picture with Morgan Wayne. She had a full blown relationship.

She literally was- No, her That was so crazy. Oftentimes when I'm watching her confessionals, I get a really weird vibe. Last night, too, there was like, her confessionals were just not hitting for me.

No, it was really... Like, not her gaslighting us, that whole saga didn't happen. The whole relationship didn't happen.

That they weren't kissing in the music video.

And now they don't talk.

If you're kissing in the music video, there might be rumors.

Yes. No, now her and Morgan Wade don't talk because you broke up. Like the gaslighting, I don't remember it going down that way. Right.

That is really funny.

I just love Erica.

No, I know. Same. And then I just wanted to mention...

Oh my God, that story Garcelle told about Oliver. Oh my I was shocked because I was getting to the point where I'm like, I feel like of all the personal stories, we're getting so much Garcelle, family, personal work. It was getting boring. Then they sat down for dinner at Beach house.

I actually like the Beach house story.

When she was telling that story about Oliver, oh my God, it was clutching my pearls. I was like, holy shit, that's such a crazy story.

Yeah, and she's always alluded to, we haven't had the best relationship, which could mean a million things. Her sharing that now was really crazy. But I did really like seeing how far she's come, how much the Beach means to her entire family. I actually, I really, really liked it, even though when it comes to her role with the women, she is so- She's on the wrong side of history. Dimetriically opposed to where I stand. Yeah. Also, someone said, I forget who it was, but like, Sutton, for the last three seasons, has always been beefing with the person who is going through a hard time. Then the following season, she's like, I was too hard on you. I should have been a better friend. I'm sorry. She's so true. That's literally what she's doing right now. To Doreet, last season, it was Kyle. Last season, it was Kyle. The season it was Kyle, the reason before it was Erica. Excusez-moi.

Yeah, because I think at first it came as like, especially with Erica, we all had a lot of questions. So we were like, Thank you, Sutton. The only person who's asking what we all want to know, did you know LA Times? All that stuff.

I do think maybe she was emboldened by that because she was like, Oh, the viewers want me asking these hard- Glinda emboldened him. I almost went down that path.

And Glinda helped it come true. We deserve each other, me and fuck.

Glinda emboldened him. The audience has emboldened Sutton to think that we want her prosecuting everything when someone's going through it. So just like the violation, that was a strong word. She interrogated Erica. Then she interrogated Kyle. And you know what? With Kyle, we did have some questions, and I do think at the time, she was being a bad friend, but viewers felt like she was the voice of the people.

I feel like Dorit has been so open with us.

Oh my God, she goes into their... He's drinking.

No, It's literally- The separation. I actually don't need an investigation as an audience member. I feel like Dorit has been incredibly forthcoming.

She's been so forthcoming to the point of like, oh my gosh, it's shining a light on how non-forthcoming people are. They go to four-hour therapy and she comes out and tells everything that went on on the inside. I feel like people- It's actually so true. Acts like her life is perfect when she's literally sharing everything as it happens.

There were so many questions around Kyle, not only her divorce with Mauricio, but the Morgan Wade of it all. She was acting It was really weird. The questions were justified. For Erica, there was so many questions, but she was so limited in what she could say, so that must have been so fucking frustrating for her. But this, I have no further questions. If I did, I would ask to read directly, and she would tell me.

I do think that's why Sutton always finds herself beefing with the person who's going through it because she thinks she's the voice of the people.

By the way, her role as a housewife is necessary. Yeah, someone asked- It doesn't make her popular amongst the group.

But in this situation, I actually don't have questions that I need one of the women. Dorita is answering every single thing, and she will speak more when she's talking to someone who's being kind to her versus someone who is just being nasty to her. Just have lunch with her and you'll get all the information You know what was such an annoying Sutton moment?

When they all arrived at the pride party and Bowes arrives, and the first thing she says, Oh, Sutton's like, I like your bracelet. Are you going to use it as a weapon?

Cringe.

Shut up. You thought you laid the house down boots, and now I I feel uncomfortable.

No. I think she felt the weirdness, too. She buttoned it up by saying, Well, I think we all need a drink first. That's what you say when you have nothing left to say, when you've made things weird.

Yikes.

It was just like, I'll go.

Okay.

I also want to shout out Doread's daughter, who is a burgeoning ballerina, because I saw over the break that Phoenix was the lead in the Nut Cracker and Wizard of Oz on the same day. P. K. And Doreet were both posting a lot of videos of her. Usually, I'm like, Okay, I don't care about your kids' musical theater.

Extracurriculars.

But Phoenix is a star. We saw a little bit of her dancing on the show. You could tell Doreet so proud. She's one to watch.

Both of her kids are very sweet. She's really... Oh, my God, that thing at the end where she's like, Listen, do you know how hard it is for me to know you're talking to my husband, Kyle, when I can barely get in touch with him, we're trying to co-parent while also shield the kids because we don't know if we're going to end up getting divorced. Well, you can't She didn't shield the kids forever. She said, And shut up.

I didn't say I'm shielding the kids forever.

She didn't say she was. And two, I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to shield your kids from your separation. A lot of people get back together. So it's like, to torture the kids for what? And they're super young. It's so reasonable. And I feel like she's doing everything she can. I go to tennis, go to ballet, put your sunscreen on. She's working so hard, and everybody's just bothering me. Leave her alone.

Yeah. No, it's so crazy. And you could see- You can't shield them forever. You could see in her physical appearance how she's changing through the season.

Yeah. Yeah, she looks weathered, too.

And very slim. She's always been slim, but just skinnier than ever. And why more people aren't just being compassionate for her when literally every person in this group is divorced and has been through it. Now is not the time.

No, the only person being compassionate is Bowes and Erica. And that's my team. When they were sitting on one side of the couch, it was giving Dweam team. It's literally giving Yolanda Lisa and Brandi.

It is the Dweam team.

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