Transcript of #2413 - Theo Von

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Who me?

God, I didn't know you were talking—talking to one of those.

There's only 3 of us in here.

Yeah, are there? I don't know, dude.

With the glasses, man. What's the new sophisticated look?

Yeah, I got them.

What's going on? I—I see, I see, you got them.

Yeah, they're great, man. My buddy Joseph gave it—gave them to me. I got them from him.

Yeah?

Yeah, and they're popping. And they help, too.

Yeah?

Yeah.

Are you losing your vision?

Mm.

Mm.

I don't think so, but I think these just make it even better.

Okay. Let me see. Let me try them. Let me see how bad your eyes are.

Yeah. Try them on, big dog.

Oh, barely.

I could get them weighted, too, so you could do a neck workout while you have them on.

Why would you do that? This is, uh—god, I can't—I can't tell the difference. Are you sure these are real?

I think they are.

I don't think these are real glasses, dog.

Let me see. Try—can you—

I don't think they—Jamie, put these on. I don't—first of all, they're smeared as fuck.

Yeah, somehow they keep getting grease on them, dude. I don't like—

You got greasy fucking fingers.

What?

You keep touching them. You're not supposed to—look at you, you're rubbing your head. You're rubbing your greasy face.

I don't even go in the kitchen.

You don't need grease. You don't need to go in the kitchen for grease. Barely tell the difference, right?

It's doing something, but—

It's barely.

Barely. This is psychological.

It's like—it's, uh, if you're—if you're 20—if you're not 20/20, you're 20/25.

These are—these are psychological, dog. You really—you don't think they're good?

No, no, that's what I'm say—no, what I'm saying. I mean, they're fine.

Ooh.

But they're psych—

Yes, sir.

Oh, look, you can see it.

I'm smarter.

I'm smarter.

I got been reading too much.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, they're, uh, I think it's a psychological thing.

Yeah, it could be.

I gotta re—you believe that they make you see better. My vision's okay. It's not as good as it was when I was young.

I gotta read the packaging again.

But it's a lot better than it used to be. I started using a red light, a red light bed. Makes a giant difference, man.

Really?

Huge difference. Yeah, I don't need reading glasses anymore. I needed reading glasses for a while. Like, look at my phone, like it was fine text.

Yeah.

I don't read—I don't need it at all anymore.

And that's 'cause of the red light.

Oh, yeah, 100%.

Huh.

Yeah, red light therapy and certain vitamins, like lutein. There's a few different—there's a company called Pure Encapsulations. They make a formulation called Macular Support, and I—I take that stuff. But those two things, for sure, have had a—a big impact. I think it's the red light, though, more than anything.

Mm-hmm.

That was the big—that was the big factor.

I've been doing sauna. I've been getting in there. It feels good. I feel like a little dumpling when I get out of there.

Oh, yeah. It's good.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah, it feels good, yeah.

Get that body all heated up, and everything just kind of flows out of you. I saw a protocol of what you're supposed to do before you get in there, and I've never done any of these things. But it's like how much water you're supposed to drink before you go in.

Fuck all that.

Like 45 minutes.

You're supposed to go—you're supposed to drink, uh, like a liter of water with electrolytes and some magnesium. I don't know, some guy made this—that's the problem. Like, everybody's an online guru. Yeah, well, everybody—everything they watch, it's like they think you're trying to get in the Olympics. It's like, bitch, I'm just trying to fucking get to work. You know what I'm saying? Bitch, I'm just trying to fucking—

I just want to feel a little bit better.

Yeah, I'm just trying to just get—

Make it out of my garage.

Give me an edge.

Yeah.

Give me an edge on this cold, hard world. Yeah, that's the only thing, man.

That's all I'm looking for.

But good to see you, dude.

Good to see you. Always, my friend.

I'm glad you're still alive.

You, too. I'm glad you're still alive, too.

Amen.

We've both been interviewing dangerous people.

Have we, you think?

Uh, yeah. Yeah, definitely.

You really have.

Who have I interviewed that you haven't? It's more dangerous.

Ooh, I don't—that's a good question. I mean, I did—I don't—yeah, I don't think I've had people that's that dangerous. Maybe Thomas Massie.

Oh, did you have him on?

Yeah.

Yeah, they all hate him right now. It's, uh, this is a sad thing about both political parties, not just the—the right, but the left, too, is they decide that they're going to gang up on someone for not towing the line.

Yeah.

You know? Like, whatever happened to having different opinions, whatever happened to having different perspectives and being able to argue your perspective.

Yeah.

But then they have these goofy-ass bills, which, by the way, they just fucking—they slipped something into this last bill that, uh, Mitch McConnell guy did, I believe. Check—make sure that he did it. The hemp thing. They slipped this thing in where you can no longer buy CBD with, like, it has to be, like, the lowest trace amount of THC in it.

Mm-hmm.

Which is for a—like, like my wife's mom, you know, she's an older lady, and she takes CBD for pain, for joints, and stuff like that.

Does she smoke it, or she does the ointment?

No, she takes, like, uh, oil, like CBD oil.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, he's smoking it.

Oh, he's taking a hit of something.

Look at his—

Old fucking dead turtle.

He's a leaning proponent of closing a 2018 farm bill loophole allowing intoxicating THC to be sold in low doses. See.

But he's got a couple of fucking milligrams in his neck. Look at that motherfucker.

He's got something going on. They definitely got him medicated. There ain't no way that guy's sleeping without help.

Oh.

Everybody hates him.

It looks like he hit a joint and it won't leave him alone.

Eh.

Go back up and choke him.

Like, took an edible.

He like Joey Diaz dosed him.

Yeah, yeah. Looks like he's on the church. He's on the church of what's happening now.

Yeah.

And Joey Diaz.

Like, a sucker.

Joey Diaz and Leah are just staring at him.

Yeah.

Yeah. Um, they gotta change that. That's really bad.

Why is it bad? Because of what they.

'Cause for people that are getting benefits from CBD, the—the THC along with the CBD, and by the way, we're talking super, super low amounts, but there's something about how CBD and THC work in a synergistic way for people that are in a lot of pain. Um, I know a lot of people, like I said, my wife's mom, she says the stuff with the THC in it works better. And it's not getting her high. Like, this is the misunderstanding. This stuff's not going to get you high. But it—what it will do is it helps with anxiety for a lot of people.

Yeah.

Like, my friend Dave Foley. Dave Foley from News Radio. Kids in the Hall, Dave Foley. Awesome guy. Uh, Dave had, like, pretty severe arthritis in his hands, like where, you know, he was really having a hard time opening his hands. Started taking CBD oil, and.

Did he open a jar or anything like that? You think it was in hard?

He was in pain, man. It was—it was bad.

Uh-huh.

Um, but now it's gone. And it's gone because of CBD. It's really effective, man. It's really effective.

And so what they're saying, that they don't want you to—why—why are they doing that? 'Cause they want to control it? Like.

It's the alcohol lobby. It's the same people that are trying to keep, um, marijuana illegal in Texas. It's the alcohol lobby. This is the fact. The fact is, when people start smoking weed, they s—they drink less.

Mm.

And, you know, I mean, it could be because they just decided to get high and not get drunk, or it could be that they smoke pot and they get a little paranoid and they go, "Oh my God, why am I poisoning myself five days a week?"

Well, a lot of people now feel like they're just doing, like, cocaine and saunas, it seems like.

I don't think they're doing those together.

Not in your neighborhood. Not in our area.

Maybe it's your town.

I don't want my neighbors to know that.

Maybe your neighbors are coming over in their underwear with a fucking baggie.

Let's go, Theo. Let's go. Let's get—get that bitch up to 185. Let's go.

There's a face up ahead.

Ooh.

Throw that water on them rocks. I'm ready.

Ooh.

I want my nasal cavity to be open wide.

Yeah.

Get that eucaly—eucalyptus in the air.

Bro, dude. The best is, yeah, if you have a—if you have a good brother or somebody, and they say eucalyptus, bro.

Yeah, that's the best.

Eucalyptus.

Get the eucalyptus in the air.

Yeah.

But yeah, I don't know if a lot of people are even drinking that much anymore. Do you think?

Lot—less people are drinking, including me. But I did have a drink the other night before I went on stage, and I felt great. Whoo, I haven't done that in a while. I had a little whiskey before I went on stage.

But did you.

I gave up on drinking entirely for many months. I forget how many months, but it was quite a while where I didn't have a sip of alcohol, and I felt way better.

You did?

Yeah, but I don't think there's anything wrong with moderation. You know, like, uh, when I was in, uh, New York, I went to this place, Terissi, oh my God.

For MSG, you mean? For—for the pipes just now?

Yeah. Oh my God. This is an Italian restaurant in New York City called Terissi.

So good.

Remember that place you took me to, Joe Rogan?

Oh, yeah, Gaitanos in Vegas. Oh, so good.

That guy that fought the little.

Oh, bro. All handmade pasta at Gaitanos, man.

What was that little thing? It's like a little square.

It was ravioli, son.

Oh my God.

Oh my God, right?

Like a shingle fell off the roof of heaven and landed in my mouth.

Yeah, with that sauce, just perfect sauce.

Oh, God.

And Gaitanos is, uh, like a lot of it.

Yeah.

It's—it's like the best ones get their flour from Italy 'cause it doesn't fuck with your stomach. Our flour's all messed up, man. Our wheat's messed up.

Well, yeah, a lot of our wheat's from Memphis, dude. A lot of our wheat has, like, yeah.

All kinds of pesticides on it.

It's trapped wheat.

A lot of it has trapped wheat.

Yeah, a lot of it has guns. It has, like, fucking bullet holes in our wheat.

You can test positive for coke.

Just from that.

Just from eating wheat. Just from having bread.

Do you know how many out-of-dollar bills test positive for coke? It's some crazy number.

Uh, yeah, I could imagine that that's probably true. This guy tests positive on.

I think it's Bill.

Who's that, y'all's stepdad?

No, that's Art Bell. You don't know Art Bell is?

Coast to coast with Art Bell.

Oh, yeah.

From the kingdom of Nigh.

Yeah, Perrupt Nevada.

Oh, that's him?

Yeah, that's Art. He's the godfather of fun conspiracies.

Yes, he's the.

Like UFOs.

The radio station you could listen at night.

Dude, he was my nighttime jam coming home from the comedy store.

I could see that.

Always. 'Cause you're coming home from the comedy store, it's like, you know, 1 o'clock in the morning, and the art coast to coast with Art Bell is on, and the guy calls up, "Art, I'm a time traveler."

He had a time traveler hotline.

Of course he did, dude.

He was you. He was you, you freak.

How many time travelers you've had in here?

Probably a couple.

Oh, yeah.

At least one.

A couple that probably can't find their way home, too.

At least one. I've had at least one time traveler.

No, dude, that's you. I could totally picture it now. You, like, you get a car with some speakers in it, and you're the only one driving around listening to Art Bell.

Oh, there's a lot of people listening. He was really popular.

Oh, no, I know how popular he was, but I mean at a level where you would bump it with space.

Oh, yeah.

Like, you loved it that much.

Right, right, right. Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. You know, it's like the perfect stuff to occupy your mind coming home from the comedy store.

Oh, yeah.

Because occasionally, it was, like, real shit. Like, occasionally, he'd have some people talking about some really fascinating things, you know, like asteroid impacts, and, and he had Terrence McKennon on a few times. He had a lot of interesting people. But then every now and then, he would mix it up with a dude who says he's a werewolf. And Art would never go, "Man, you ain't a werewolf." He would go, "Interesting. Tell me more." He let dudes talk.

Oh, yeah.

He let dudes say the most ridiculous shit.

Yeah.

It was fucking great. I got to do his show once.

I got to.

I did it.

Yeah, I did it on.

You called it in?

I did it when it was on the radio, or on the internet, rather. He wasn't on the radio anymore. He had an internet, uh, radio show for a while.

And did he know who you were at that point or no?

Yeah. Yeah, luckily. But, uh, to me, it was like, "Fuck, yeah." It's like a few things in my life where when I did them, I was like, "Yes!" You know, that was a big one. I hung up the phone. I had a giant fucking smile on my face.

Yeah.

I just did the Art Bell show, son.

Dude, that's so cool that that's him. I can't tell if I can see him better with or without these on.

I think it's psychological. I'm telling you, those glasses don't do a damn thing. They don't even change the shape of your face. You know how sometimes people put them on, and I always go, "How blind is this motherfucker?" And I'll look to the side, and I can see, like, their face caves in, like, like a half a foot, because they got giant magnifying glasses over their eyeballs. But with you, it looks exactly the same. The line of your face doesn't change at all when you turn side to side.

I can tell.

I think they're fucking with you. I think they think you're crazy, and they're like, "His eyes are perfect. Just give him some clear lenses."

Mm.

And you're like, "Yeah, I think I think this works. I think I see better in these things."

Yeah, yeah.

I think, "Y'all got a vape pen?"

Yeah.

Let me hit that vape on me.

There is something about when, uh, people wear them, they look smarter.

Oh, for sure, dude. My friend was wearing them the other day, this girl, and I was like, "Dang, this girl is."

She must be a genius.

Yeah.

Hot secretary.

Oh.

Or hot professor. Hot lady professor.

Yeah.

Let me do some homework up in them undies.

Yeah.

That's what I was thinking.

Yeah. Let me get up in that study hall, baby girl.

Yeah. Let me get them.

Baby girl.

Extra credit points.

Uh.

Let's go.

Yeah, dude.

But if you're a dumb dude with glasses, that's a bad look.

Oh.

'Cause not only are you blind, but you're fucking stupid, too.

It was like Stephen Avery's cousin, that little fellow that stood by the, like, was grilling hot dogs on that burn barrel in the, uh, remember when they when they.

Who's Stephen Avery?

The, um, who.

Who's Stephen Avery?

How do you describe him?

Jamie?

The murders from the, the, like, Netflix thing from the I think it was a pandemic, wasn't it?

Making a murder, was that him?

Yeah.

I can't remember.

What was his case?

He was a murderer. Well, they said he was. Was he? The girl yes, he was a murderer.

He's in jail for it.

He's in jail for it. And he had his little cousin.

Brenda Bassi.

Oh, this is the guy that's a little mentally challenged?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I read some stuff about him.

And his little cousin, that's him.

Brendan.

That's shades on. Brendan Dassi, B. Dassi, who's actually I we did a little bit of pen paling with him. Tried to, anyway.

What do they think about this? Do they think that.

I think he did it. I think there was, like I I believe people said that the Netflix thing got, like, edited strange and left stuff out.

That's the thing. You can't tell what's real anymore. Who knows?

Well, selective editing is crazy. It's crazy that they still do that.

Well, everything's crazy right now.

Eh, I know.

I mean, I feel like this is the year do you feel like this is the year that, um, people realize that, like, ne both of the neither side of the government is working for us? Is that a weird thing to say?

Well, it's true. It's pretty obvious that it's true.

Okay.

They're all working for the people that got them in. So no matter what they even if they're good people that want to do well for you, their obligations when they get in there are the people that helped them get in there. They're the campaign contributors. They're the military industrial complex, the military contractors, the big money.

Big money banks. Big money.

That's what this all this government shutdown shit was all about, man. It's all about healthcare, right? So it's all about how much money is getting funneled through these corporations. If you really think that what they're trying to do is make sure that people get healthcare, you're fucking naive.

Yeah, you're ridiculous.

Okay? What they're doing is they are protecting some kind of slush fund. If somebody digs into this and finds out where that money's going and finds out how this money's distributed, it'll make more sense. Because there ain't a fucking chance in hell that they're keeping the government shut down to protect your health.

Yeah.

There's not a chance.

Yeah.

There's not a chance they're shutting down the fucking air traffic controllers.

Yeah.

Not a chance they're shutting down NASA 'cause they're worried about you getting the flu. That shit is not happening.

Yeah.

That's not what's going on.

But I think everybody's starting to realize that. Dude, I went to the post office. Have you been to the post office recently?

I have not.

Okay.

Not since I voted. That was the last time I was at the post office.

Okay, well, it's over. So if you want to know what the post office is like, dude, I went I'm not even joking. I went to the.

Yeah.

The closest branch near me in Nashville. There was two birds there was two crows in there. Two one of them was a crow, definitely. One of them was a pretty big bird, and I thought it was a crow, but he had some discoloration or whatever, so maybe like a mulatto crow or a mixed crow or something. I don't know.

Okay.

Fuck pulling a fucking bo like, fighting over a fucking box in there, and there's a lady, a, um, kind of like a darker woman in there, and she's spraying fucking Lysol trying to get them out of the fucking post office. I was like, what?

Lysol?

Yeah, or like a Fabuloso, like a.

Like a.

Cleaning spray. Like a.

Like disinfectant.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Got it. Like, she's standing on a little step ladder trying to fucking.

Right, right, right.

Keep these two birds who were fighting over a fucking package. I was like, we're fucked.

Wow.

We're fucked, man. That's and that's, that's the government.

That's biblical, right? That's biblical.

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure.

It's biblical.

It seems like a Stephen King outtake, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I'm like, this is where we are. This is this is ha like, everything's privatized now. It's a wrap.

Mm.

Do you feel like it's a wrap? Like, I've been thinking for years that America just feels like a shell company, like a shell LLC.

Here's the thing about it being privatized. Some things probably should be privatized 'cause they work better.

Okay, well, like, FedEx came along. UPS came along.

Right.

So those came along.

But the post office still does a good job, man.

No.

You know, the.

I'm going to disagree with that. I'm sorry.

Okay.

I never disagree with you, I don't think.

The post office is the only people that are sending, sending letters for you for, like, 30 cents or whatever it costs. And then the post office are the only way that you could ship chickens, live chicks, like little baby chicks.

Ooh.

They have to do it through the post office 'cause they know what to do, and they keep them alive. They know their chicks.

Ooh, that's nice. I didn't know that.

All the we've had chickens, you know, and every chicken we get when we get them, they're baby chicks.

And they come in the mail?

They don't. They get them through the post office. Post office delivers them.

Can you hear the package like that? It's like.

Yeah, bro, the post office, it works.

Yeah, it works.

It's not perfect because it's the government, and there's no government programs that are perfect, you know?

It doesn't work that good anymore, though. I think it's, it's gotten so bad, dude. The post office is.

Maybe.

Bro, it's gotten bad. I sent my niece a birthday card, dude. She never got it. She never got it.

Mm-hmm.

It had money. It's gone. It's gone.

Right.

She'll never get it.

Bro, you know what I was joking about?

Nobody's getting anything.

The videos of these people dropping off UPS packages. They take a picture of the package, and then they steal the package.

I've seen that. I've seen videos of that. I think people are kind of hip to what Ring cameras could do. But, bro, there was a quite a while where people were doing some really fucking horrible shit.

Yeah.

Right in front of those cameras 'cause they didn't know.

Oh, yeah.

They didn't know.

Yeah.

You can't be just stealing people's packages after you drop them off. Like, the fucking UPS driver, you know?

It's a fucking wild time.

Like, a lot of videos of that, man. They put them down, take a picture.

Really?

And then they pick them up, take them back to their truck.

And take it back.

And then the camera's like, "Hey, fuckface."

Yeah.

"Hey, motherfucker."

Yeah.

This.

They should have different, like, Ring camera, like, a voice like, "This is Mr. T. You need to bring that package back, sucker."

That is one of the dirtiest things. Porch pirates.

Yeah.

People that are just stealing shit off your porch. That is.

To get that close to somebody's house to be right there.

Yeah.

That's one thing I like about living in a state where there is the ability to express something.

You're talking about guns?

Bulletarily. That's how I like to say it. There's the ability to express something bulletarily.

Mm-hmm.

To somebody if you disagree, if their behavior seem is illegal.

Yeah. You got to be careful about what that, though. They're the laws are different in different places. Like, even if someone's stealing something, you're not allowed to kill them.

Yeah.

Um, the a guy just got in trouble because some dudes I think there was three dudes broke into his garage, and he, uh, went into his garage, and they went after him, and he shot them. And he killed one of them, and now they're bringing him up for manslaughter. 'Cause I guess they're saying he didn't have to shoot them. He could have just scared them, or he didn't have to kill them. He could have just retreated.

Scared them.

Back into his home. Like, in California, they're literally telling you.

They're like, like, like, a, like a oh, just scared them with a gun, I guess?

I guess. But, like, you don't know what they have. You don't know what's going on. These are split-second decisions you're making with your life in danger.

Yeah.

And then if you have a wife and children.

Yeah.

Bro, you're going to shoot first and ask questions later. You're not going to make a mistake that's going to have your, your kids killed.

He keeps, like, scared.

Are you scared or what?

You can't say that kind of shit.

No, bro, it's scary. Someone's breaking into your home. You have no idea what they have. You have no idea if they're there to kill you, if you have no idea if they're there to rob you, if they're going to duct tape you and torture you for a week. You don't know what the fuck is going on.

Yeah.

And if you have a gun, you're most likely going to use it, and you're going to shoot them. And the fact that these people broke into his house, they were committing a crime and defending his property and pro maybe his life, he's getting charged with manslaughter? That's, that's ridiculous.

That's ridiculous.

This is the this is the problem with liberal politics. And this is where I get really confused, because I'm like, I don't know what they're trying to do. But if I was going to try to destroy civilization, that's how I would do it.

Yeah.

I would keep, keep letting violent people out, keep saying it's racist to keep them in jail, keep saying, you know, they're a victim of systematic racism, and ke and just, like, let the violent people stay being violent, and then when people defend themselves, lock them up, have everybody scared. Like, if you wanted to destroy society, you would do it exactly this way. And I don't understand that. I don't understand. Like, it's I g I understand being a kind, compassionate person doesn't believe in gun violence. Absolutely. But if that's the case, like, there's no better deterrent to gun violence than someone who has a gun and you can't get to their house because they'll fucking shoot you.

Yeah.

Okay? Like, that's, that's a really good deterrent. Unless you're going to have police everywhere and you don't. So, like, who's going to protect people from bad people? If you're going to admit that bad people exist, if you want to s-stop bad people from happening.

Yeah.

That's a conversation I'd love to have. That's a real conversation. Like, let's figure out how to clean up a lot of these neighborhoods and figure out what's causing all these problems.

But nobody wants to do that, or it would have be or it would have been done by now.

Exactly.

At this point. People just want to kind of keep these higher powers they know what they're doing. It just starts to feel like the experiment, like we're just really seeing the experiment, you know?

It is.

It's almost like, say you were playing the game Mario or something.

Right.

And one day, Mario, instead of just going this way on the screen, he fucking turns and looks at you, and he's like, "I see what you're doing." That's what it feels like we are right now. Like, we're, we're looking.

Right.

At the people controlling everything, and you're like.

Yeah.

Oh.

That's all because of the internet, dog.

But it feels like.

If it wasn't for the internet, no one would be looking because we wouldn't be getting these conversations.

Right. We'd still be we'd still be people would still be disillusioned.

You'd be getting CNN. You'd be getting some whore-shit version of what's actually going on. But because of the internet and real independent journalists and, and people that are breaking things down, you start to go, "Wait a minute. What the fuck is going on?"

Yeah.

Who is wha who is doing this? Why are you doing it? Want some coffee, dog?

Can I have some?

Fuck yeah, of course you can.

Oh, thanks, buddy.

Um.

Yeah, man.

I mean, we're the first generation that has had cheers, my brother.

Cheers, man. Good to see you, dude.

Good to see you, always.

Really am excited to see you.

I'm excited to see you, too.

Always. And I'm excited to see you a little clearer than I did.

I don't think you are. I think it's I think they got you. I think they're fucking with you, man. I think they're giving you placebos, too.

Oh, yeah? Really?

Yeah. I think they gave you a let me take some of whatever pills they give you. Let's see what happens.

No, these are 15s, I think. These are good.

15s? What does that mean?

I don't know. Ooh, this is.

Bro, I you got you fogged up.

Go ahead.

You fogged up from the coffee, gotcha.

Well, you fucking gave me this molten coffee, dude.

Black rifle in the house.

Is it?

Always. That's all we drink.

Dude, I went, uh oh, yeah, well, there's yeah, I'm just at the, the journalism now. I can't I know this is too hot for me right now.

It's not that hot. Look.

I'm going to need glasses for my tongue after I drink this, dude.

No, it's not hot.

It isn't?

No, no. It's an illusion. It's warm. It's decently hot, you know?

Right.

Like, nice.

Nice.

Nice.

Yeah.

Refreshing.

It is good.

Yeah, like, refreshing. Not, like, ouchy. Why can't Starbucks figure that out?

'Cause they I don't even think that gets coffee anymore. It's almost become.

Oh, no.

Like McDonald's. It's just a it's a.

It's burnt.

It's a taste. It's just a thing.

I drink black coffee. That's what I drink.

Oh, yeah.

That's what I like.

I got into it a while ago, like years ago. Like, my shit, like Rick Ralphs, bro. That's all I like. Rick Ralphs and all that.

You know what I got into it, Jamie? Remember when we had that guy Peter Giuliani on?

Mm-hmm.

That was the coffee connoisseur. That got me into I started drinking black coffee from then on. That was a long time ago, at least 10 years ago, right? I had a real coffee connoisseur on.

Yeah?

'Cause I wanted to know all about coffee.

Like a sommelier kind of?

Yeah, man. Dude, it's fa he brought in a bunch of different coffees. We were tasting, like, these Ethiopian blends that almost was, like, lemony.

Mm.

He was like, "You taste a hints of lemon?" I'm like, "I do."

Mm. Yeah, he's, he's.

Did you know all coffee comes from Ethiopia?

Uh-uh.

Yes.

Some of it comes from co some of it comes, I know, from, um there's Kona coffee, isn't there?

Right. But it all originated in Ethiopia. That's where the plant originated.

Oh, wow.

Yeah. So they moved it into South America. So, like, they started making it in Colombia. They make it in Hawaii. It has bomb-diggity coffee.

That's good.

Kona coffee is some of the best coffee in the world. I guess probably the soil, like, something about the Hawaii soil.

We are also in Hawaii. If you if I fucking drink my own piss in Hawaii, I'm still it's a little better than if I'm drinking it in fucking outside of Akron. You know what I'm saying?

Outside of Akron, smoke stacks in the background.

Apparently drinking a liter of piss before you get in the sauna with your neighbor.

Yeah. Before I get a little bag for my for my.

Someone's got a urine therapy protocol you have to take with your cocaine.

Dude, yeah.

Bro, even a hot batch of piss in Hawaii tastes way better.

That's so true. But I drink it in America. Like, I, I used to order Kona coffee.

Yeah. But yeah, to I mean.

Before I went Black Rifle Exclusive.

Yeah. Well, I met that guy from Black Rifle. Evan Haver, right?

Oh, Evan. He's a good friend of mine.

Nice guy.

I love him to death.

Yeah, he took me around whenever whenever I was there.

He's one of my absolute favorite people. Oh, I'm wearing one of his shirts. Look at that, dog.

He treated me super well, dude.

He's the best.

Dude, somebody's oh, Candace Owens sent me that thing. It was, um.

You got notes?

She sent.

Bro, you brought notes.

There's things I wanted to talk about. I just wanted to forget them.

Okay.

My br my br I, I my I, my it's been hard for me to remember stuff.

Okay.

So.

I'll help you out.

He will?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, he gets some alpha brain. Take some have you ever do you ever take vitamins for your brain?

Nope.

It works.

I will take some.

Yeah, you should.

I'd love to have some.

There's a bunch of different kinds.

Yeah.

You should try what you like. Um, but another real good one is, um, this company, uh, NeuroGum. They make NeuroGum and NeuroMints.

I've heard you talk about it.

That's really good. There's a no a one called True Brain. They make they make, like, a little shot. That's really good.

Magic Mind, I know, has one that I think is pretty good.

That's a different one. It's a different kind. They use mushrooms, but that's a good one, too.

I've never heard about it.

That's I think, synergistically, they would all work well together. But there's legit vitamins that work on your brain.

Yeah.

Yeah, that work on your memory.

Yeah, I wanted to yeah. Yeah, I'll, I'll probably I would like to try.

I'll give you some before we leave.

Okay.

I have some alpha brain black label around here somewhere.

Yeah, definitely.

I definitely have a few bottles in the kitchen, but that's the best. Alpha brain I've tried them all, even though I know I'm associated with alpha with on it, and I'm probably lying. I'm not. Uh, there's I tr I tell you about all the other ones. I don't make a penny off of them. But alpha brain, I think, is the best one. It's the most effective.

Yeah.

And it's the, the only one that I know of that did two double-blind placebo-controlled studies with the Boston Center for Memory.

Alpha brain?

Yeah. So we did that because a lot of people were saying it was snake oil.

The Boston Center for Memory, like, how many.

Boston.

Hits did Euclis have.

Hey, buddy.

In fucking in 2001, you know? What year did the Sox make it into the series? Dude, one time I was going into a show. We were outside of Balt we had a show outside of Boston. It was, like, a theater. It's, like, 15, 20 minutes away. Um, and I'm walking in. I'm walking in late. Everybody's already in there. The I think the show had started, and so I'm coming in. And a guy and his wife were walking by with pizza. They're heading in. And the guy's like, "Dorothy, give him your fucking pizza. The guy's starving. He's late for work." And I'm like, "I'm fine." And it like, and first of all, why don't you just give me your pizza, dude?

He was trying to give get you to give her pizza?

His wife to give me her pizza. I'm like, "Dude."

But not his pizza.

Yeah.

Interesting.

He's like, "Dorothy, can't you see?"

That's a bad relationship.

He's like, "Dorothy, can't you see the guy's he's running late for work after the.

He's trying to tell his wife he's fat, and he's doing it a subtle way.

Well, he was using me, so I'm like.

He was using you.

"Dorothy, I'm fine," you know?

Yeah. Yeah, he was using you.

But it was just, like, a like, just Boston thing, basically.

Or he was just trying to have some conversation. It might have been that. Maybe we're looking into it too much.

Dude, I had a dream you were an EMT, dude. Have you ever had that?

Really? You had a dream I was an EMT?

Yeah. And I've had it two times.

That really? Like, I was, like, attending to car accidents and stuff?

Yeah.

Really?

Mm-hmm. And I think it was in Boston.

Yeah.

I think that's what even made me think about it.

I could have gone down that route in life, maybe, if things had been different. That's possible.

Would have been pretty.

I could have saw that I could have happened. I almost joined the army when I was, uh, 18 for their taekwondo team. There was a dude oh, God. I think his name was Clay Barber. Um, he was, uh, one of the national competitors that I, I looked up to, uh, when I was on my way up. And he was, uh, in the army. And he had, uh like, the army paid him to train. And I was like, "Oh, shit. You could join the army, and they'll pay you to compete." You know, 'cause they had an army boxing team. Like, I believe Ray Mercer was on the army boxing team.

Oh, wow.

When he fought in the Olympics and won the gold medal.

Do you have to be but do you also ha like, w do you have to do service as well?

Who is this, Jamie?

Is that him?

No, he was a, a black guy.

Oh.

Oh, there's a see the taekwondo? See what it says right there, to the right?

Here?

Yeah. The, the one with the right where it says his name, right there. Click on that.

Which one are you looking at?

The one that your cursor's over, dog.

I don't see it.

Clay Barber, right there. Yeah. So he was really good in, like, uh I guess it was probably, like, '86 or yeah, somewhere around I was 18, so it had to be '85 or '86.

Ooh, baby girl.

But that d that's the dude right there. He was, uh, uh, an elite, um, national competitor in my weight class.

He'll kick a fucking whisper out of your mouth. That dude's a gangster, huh?

Yeah, he was really good. Um, but. He was competing for the army team, and so I was like, "Maybe I should join the army." And then I thought about it. I was like, "I don't want to get shot. Like, what am I doing? Like, I, I don't trust anybody."

Did you even try on the clothes at home or anything? Or did you do anything?

No, I didn't try on the clothes.

Are you not.

I saluted the Amer in the mirror a couple of times.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was like, "No, we're good."

Yeah, dude. Yeah, I g I guess I don't know if I could see you being in the in the army. But yeah, it was just a dream. It was just I think it was, like, you I honestly think it was, like, you and Goggins, I think, were maybe, like, EMTs or whatever.

That sounds like something Goggins would do.

But y'all did not fucking you guys did not deal with anybody's bullshit. Like, you guys showed up, and you were like, "Get the fuck up." You're like, "What the f you fucking pussy?" I think you I don't even think you had any, like I don't think you had even a steth you had, like, a whistle. You're like, "Bullshit."

You know what Goggins does that a lot of people don't know about?

He smoke jumps.

Oh, really?

Yeah. Like, for 'cause it's.

He used to smoke and play high school basketball.

That's very different. It's very different.

He, he parachutes into fires.

Oh, yeah. That's not it.

Like, in Canada.

For fun?

Uh, because it's hard.

Oh.

Literally. But 'cause it's hard to do. Dude's worth, like, $30 million. He jumps out of fucking planes with parachutes. And, and he sent me a photo, uh, of a giant-ass fucking grizzly track. It's they, they landed in Canada at this place.

Uh-huh.

And right where they landed to fight these fires, it was, like, ch I mean, like, a grizzly track. And he was like, "Wish me luck." I was like, "Dude, get the fuck out of there. You see that track? Get the fuck out of there." That's a 1,100-pound wild dog.

Wow. And he just does it 'cause he wants to fight.

'Cause it's hard to do.

You're landing just in the smoke.

Yeah.

Now, when you get in there, do they have a plan of where you're going? Is it fire.

Yeah.

It's firemen and fire women in there?

You know, I well, uh, there's a lot of different tasks that they do.

Mm-hmm.

But one of them is you're digging a fire break. So you're di like, a lot of what happens is embers land on the ground, and then it starts a fire, right? So what they do is they'll, they'll clear the ground for a wide area where the fire is coming.

Okay.

So the fire's on its way. They'll get ahead of the fire, and then they'll clear a giant path on the ground.

Oh, baby girl. That would scare me.

It's scary.

That would scare me.

Guys die. I mean, they 100% they get trapped, and they die.

Yeah, I'm sure.

'Cause the wind shifts. You know, things sometimes things are unpredictable. Um, but he does it just 'cause it's hard. He's so crazy.

Does he have to sign a con he must have to sign something, huh?

Bro, I don't know what he does. I he doesn't even I bet he doesn't even tell him he's David Goggins. He just shows up. I'm telling you, man. He's, he's a different cat. Like, he's, he's the real deal. Like, he's not pretending to do all these things.

Right.

You've seen those videos where he takes UFC fighters on workouts.

Mm-hmm.

And they're dying. Like, he took Israel Adesanya. Israel Adesanya, two-time middleweight motherfucking champion of the world, one of the best to ever do it, elite athlete, dying. I mean, di couldn't keep up.

Yeah.

Goggins was talking to him, like, "Come on, son. Keep going." He's like, "Ugh." He's throwing up in a garbage can, like, no bullshit. It's crazy to watch.

Yeah.

'Cause you realize, like, the level of conditioning this guy has.

Yeah.

He's 50 years old. He's not doing it for any reason. Like, the he's not getting ready for the World Series. He's not in the Super Bowl.

What do you think he's proven it to himself?

You would have to ask him. I mean, he's.

I guess that he says he's learning things.

I'm downloading lessons. Like, like.

Yeah.

He's just he's that guy, man. Like, there's a lot of what is that?

I found the tracks, sorry.

What is it?

The tracks. The, the grizzly tracks.

Oh, show me. Show me.

Yeah, hold on.

I sent it to you, right?

Yeah, it's on my phone.

Yeah. Put your headphones on.

All right.

Check this out.

Hang on one second.

Show me, show me, show me what is.

Remember that song?

Yeah.

The one that makes me scream.

Yeah.

She says.

Yeah.

The Cure.

The Cure, yeah.

Yeah.

They were good, huh? They passed away, huh?

Did they?

I think before they yeah.

I don't think well, there's multiple members. Did that guy pass away, the lead singer of The Cures? The Cure, rather. What's the matter, Jamie?

Well, I had it on my phone. I didn't have it on my computer.

Oh, I understand.

Uh, yeah, and I, uh.

You jumped the gun.

I don't want to do it, but, uh.

Dude, if you were.

Why don't you send it to me, and I'll send it to you?

And you'll have it on your computer.

I found it on.

Dude, if you were an EMT, that'd be sick, huh?

I, I think it's a bummer, man.

I don't even think you'd get out of the vehicle.

Yeah.

You'd pull up and be like, "Get the fuck up." You know?

I'd probably be.

And then Goggins would go help him? Goggins would be like, "Get the fuck up, you little pussy."

I don't know how to make this.

Well, just send it to me, and I'll send it to you.

I have it. I have it. I just came in bigger.

Oh, here it is. Here it is. That's good. Give me some volume.

What?

Look at that.

Ooh.

See this grizzly bear prince, man?

Oh, God damn.

Look at these motherfuckers, dude. They're as big as my foot.

These are fucking huge.

This is a massive fucking grizzly bear.

Look at that, dude.

Massive fucking grizzly bear.

Look at that paw. That's crazy.

Look how wide it is.

Ooh.

This is fucking a massive-ass grizzly bear. And as you see.

Where's it going?

He walks right through there, through those woods, so.

Probably over the mountain.

We are in big-time grizzly bear territory.

Bro, that's so sketchy.

That's cool.

That's so sketchy. He sent me that.

Phew.

Yeah. 'Cause I was like, "What are you doing?" And he sends me that. This is what I'm doing.

Other people are like, "I'm watching football."

Right.

Yeah.

He's like, "I just fucking parachuted into grizzly country." Oh, man. There's nothing scarier than, than big animals like that. Nothing scarier.

I get the most scared, honestly, in my life. Um, I mean, when I was young, they had, like, a lot of pedophiles in our area, and I think that kind of, like, made me nervous, but probably being in the ocean.

You had a lot of pedophiles in your neighborhood?

Oh, yeah.

Like, how many?

I mean, I think at least three is enough for, like, a small area.

Three's more than enough.

Yeah.

How come nobody did anything about it?

They did. I mean, they put them in our neighborhood. Or like, yeah.

That's not what I mean. I mean, how come nobody arrested them? Okay.

Oh, they'd been arrested. Yeah, these were guys who were, like, uh, they used to.

They were released?

Yeah, they used to have this thing. Remember when they had this w I wonder when that rule was. It was, like, the pedophiles had to go around door to door.

Oh, and let everybody know.

Know there were pedophiles, right?

Right. That was a law that they passed. You had to alert people that a sex offender had moved into the neighborhood.

Well, we lived our mom worked all the time, and we were just at home all the time. So you'd have pedophiles literally come to the door.

And let you know.

Yeah. And they'd be like, "Is your mom home?" And you'd be like, "No." And they'd be like, "Well, I'm a pedophile." You're like, "Well ."

That's a problem.

Yeah. "Come back after 6:00," you know? Uh, but so it was just crazy. Like, you know? But then at least you did know who the people were.

Yeah.

But it was definitely weird that you're setting and they, they don't live in nice neighborhoods. You, you know, like, now there's a lot of, like, billionaire pedophiles that our government protects and stuff. But back then.

You really think so?

I don't know.

I don't know either. That's what makes me nervous. I don't know.

I mean, they just had that thing that came out about the Trump-Epstein thing the other day. That whole thing's just a kickball at this point, I feel like.

Bro, have you ever seen that video of me and Tim Dillon where Tim Dillon is laying out the scandal that took place in, like was it the 1970s, Jamie?

The Franklin scandal.

The Franklin scandal?

Mm-hmm.

What year was that?

I think in the '80s and '90s.

Bro. Were y'all dressed up like astronauts or was that the one?

Me and Tim Dillon?

Yeah.

No, we were dressed normal.

Okay.

He I don't even think he had the crazy glasses on back then. That was before he was protecting his eyes. Now he protects his eyes.

'88.

'88. Play that video. I sent it to you, right? This video is nuts, man. This was Tim laid this out quite a while ago, and I had kind of forgot about it until it popped up on my feed. I was like, "Oh, shit." And then I sent I could send it back to you if you need.

Thank God for Tim Dillon.

Oh my God, he's the best. There's never been a better ranter, ever, in the history of ranting.

Ever.

Ever.

Since who? I bet there was somebody a long time ago that was good, but we don't have enough of his work to really compete against him.

He's the funniest, by far. He's the most sarcastic, the most tongue-in-cheek, and the most well-read.

Yes.

The thing about Tim Dillon is, like, he doesn't just go with narratives because he, um, thinks that you want him to say certain things.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, he's very, very well-read. And he forms his opinions based on facts and then turns it into humor.

Yeah.

He's the fucking man. Play this.

Scandal was a it was a scandal out of Omaha, Nebraska, at a Franklin Credit Union where there was.

Oh.

A guy who was embezzling money. And then he was being investigated for that, but they said he's all he has all this money because he's running an interstate pedophile network, and he's pandering kids to, you know, people in Washington, DC, and New York. And there was a, a headline in The Washington Post or The Washington Times that were like, "Call boys, get a tour of the Reagan White House."

Unidentified White House aides in the Carter, Reagan, and Bush administrations now are being investigated for using the services of a call-boy ring. The paper reports that two of the male prostitutes were given a late-night tour of the White House last year.

And, you know, this was a scandal with real victims who wanted to testify, and then people started dying. You know, the private investigator they hired, his plane broke up. Uh, one of the girls that, uh, testified was found guilty of perjury and that she was put in solitary confinement. They had to use two grand juries in Omaha to get rid of this scandal. And it's one of now, it's not as sexy as, like, a Pizzagate or something because it happened in the '80s and '90s, but this shows you the blueprint for the government, you know, using marshaling resources to, to silence people that were victims of this stuff.

Mm-hmm.

Wild.

Wild. So if that existed at all in the 1990s.

Yeah.

Okay? That Mitch McConnell guy was around back then, you know? A lot of these Nancy Pelosi-type people, they've been around since this. There's photos of Nancy Pelosi with JFK. Think of that.

Mm-hmm.

That was before we didn't go to the moon.

Yeah.

It was 1963.

That was before Israel didn't kill him.

You think so?

I didn't say anything.

I heard you say Israel killed him.

You did?

That's what I heard. Maybe it's.

Jamie, did you put something in this?

They didn't. The glass it didn't do it. Oh, before Israel didn't do it.

Yeah.

Oh, I see what you did.

Mm-hmm.

I think, uh.

I didn't say anything.

I think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

Lee Harvey Oswald went to my middle school. Do you know that?

No.

Yep.

What? No shit. Was there a plaque?

Uh, no, we did have a thing. There was a thing.

What everybody recognized.

LHO, yeah.

Uh, LHO.

And they na.

LHO.

L-Lee Harvey Oswald.

That's what you guys to called him?

Yeah.

Like L. Ron Hubbard. LHR. They all salute L. Ron Hubbard. Salute LHR with the big ever seen Tom Cruise with the big pie plate medal? He got a medal for being the most awesome guy ever.

He did?

Yeah, from Scientology. And he salutes the photo of, of a science fiction writer. Bro, it's the kookiiest thing. You'd ever seen.

A pie plate?

Bro, they.

Does he even he's never seen those.

You've never seen those Scientology Awards?

Nuh-uh.

They're.

I can see him eating a lot of desserts, really.

They're amazing.

It's insane.

They're amazing.

Uh-uh. I didn't even know that.

Look at that. Look at that pie plate.

Oh, the Times now.

Read this.

Okay. These are the times we will all remember. Were you there? What did you do? I think you know that I am there for you, and I do care so very, very, very much.

What is this about? Is this a Marie Kalender's ad?

Bro, what this is is amazing. Just watch this.

Okay. Sorry.

Guys, we're counting on you. All right. To LRH.

To LRH. Wow.

Crazy, right?

Bro, you want a Mission Impossible guy? You want that guy? That's what you get.

Yeah.

Okay. You don't get a normal dude who's that good at acting. You get a fucking crazy person.

Who's that good at being himself?

With a pie plate around his neck.

Yeah.

A golden pie plate for being the most awesome guy ever.

If he.

And he salutes a science fiction author who's, by the way, one of the worst writers in the history of writing.

L. Ron? I've done the thing.

Yeah.

In New York where they try to electrocute you and see if you care about him or whatever.

Oh, I, I got that.

You know what I'm talking about?

I did that in San Diego.

You did?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When?

I was filming a TV show down there. And, uh, you know, we were in the middle of a break while we're filming, and, um, they had, like, a, like a conference table set up.

Yeah.

It was, like, free personality tests. And I was like, "What is this?" And I kind of knew what it was. I knew it was dynamics, you know, which is Scientology.

Mm-hmm.

But the guy was, like they made him do it. You could tell he was, like, not enthusiastic at all about it. Uh, you know, he would, like, ask you questions about, like, "Has one of your pets died?" Like, that kind of shit.

Yeah.

You know, he'd hold his e-meter and it would just I'm like, "How does this work? Like, what is what is actually making this happen?" You know, I had all these questions that he had no answers for.

Yeah.

It just and then I started.

Of course, you did. That's your whole life.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote more fiction.

Yeah.

Than any human being that's ever lived.

Mm-hmm.

He wrote more things that were not true, more published fiction.

Yeah.

Than any human being in the history of all human beings.

My God.

That guy, the guy that created Scientology. And you know how he did it? It was all terrible. He never wrote a second draft. Everything was just nonsense.

One-hit wonder?

One-hit wonder.

Just out.

Just out.

That's kind of brave, though.

Start typing. Uh, brave. He was nuts. He was out of his mind.

But people liked it enough, though.

Did you ever see that show? They didn't, though. He wasn't successful until he really start I mean, he was. He did a lot of those, like, goofy magazines and stuff. This is a long time ago.

Yeah.

You've got to realize. But then once he started a religion, that's when things took off. That's when, like, started making money, gave himself a lot of he gave himself a bunch of awards too. You ever see, like, he had a oh, he wore a jacket, and he had, like, all these awards on his chest that he had given himself?

That is crazy.

They love to give awards over there.

That's like the Golden Globes or whatever.

Yeah, same thing.

You know?

They just it really is. They give themselves awards for being the most awesome people.

How cra I mean, that whole it's all fucking ridiculous.

Weird.

But that's what I fe I feel like all of these y balls of yarn that used to feel like they made so much sense.

Uh-huh.

And they kept us warm, and they gave us a sense of purpose. I feel like all of them are becoming unraveled. But it makes me wonder, what's gonna happen now? Are we because these are a lot of things that have felt like some of the blueprints of our existence, you know?

You know what makes me nervous?

Does it make any sense to you when I say that?

Yes.

Okay.

100%.

'Cause that's kind of what I guess I'm most scared about. I think, like, even this year, it's like some of my sense of, like, purpose or, like, I just worry that other people don't have a sense of purpose or what's going on, and it makes me kind of scared sometimes.

Well, that's a, a good perspective, and I think it's accurate. Um, what makes me nervous is the people that are not aware that all of our assumptions of how the government works were all based on bullshit. The people that still believe, that are, like, true believers of one side or the other, true faith in government and experts, those people make me more nervous 'cause some of them are smart. That's what's crazy. When smart people are completely unwilling to recognize that conspiracies are not just real, but they're also not rare.

Yeah.

Especially when they're in positions of extreme power, like running intelligence agencies. Like, they and there's a lot of things that they do that are morally reprehensible but totally legal. Like, they could do it because they're allowed to because they are a three-letter organization, and they have ultimate power to do a lot of, like, really gross things that are in the nature or, or in the, the interest of national security. So, like, this is the whole idea behind it. They say, like, "This is our, our decision. This is the best move for national security.

But are they're not our F why is it our FBI and CIA are working against us? That's what it feels like. They're just tricking us about everything. It feels like.

They're tricking some people, um, on purpose.

But why is why is that even their goal? Like, I thought that they used to.

Because they're trying to arrest people. So this is the problem with your career. Like, and this has been explained to me by a lot of people that are experts and people that know. John Caracal explained it this way. Your, your reputation is based on how successful you have been arresting people, cracking cases.

Yeah.

And so people set up cases so they can break them.

Yeah.

They basically set up an escape room, and they're like, "I know how to get out of here." And they pretend that they're just, like, a regular wizard that stumbled into the escape room. No, you set the whole thing up.

Yeah. That's what it is. Well, it's the same as, like.

There's a bunch of those stories.

Oh, I think it's the same as even with, like, Hollywood and you know, I remember one day I was walking in the Century City Mall over there. It's in Los Angeles. It's off of Santa Monica Boulevard.

Mm-hmm.

And there was a, uh, like, a blue-collar guy walking by, and, like, it was a he was working construction. They were building something there. And I was like he's like, "Theo, what's up, man?" So we were talking for a minute, and I was like, "What are y'all building?" He's like, "Dude, you're never gonna believe this. We're building," he's like, "10, 10 floors. 20 floor building." He's like, "10 floors are, uh, a talent agency, and the other 10 floors are for the CIA." And I was like, "What?" I was like, "Just in the same building. Just happened to be that's what you're building." He's like, "Yep, that's what we're building." And I he wasn't lying.

It's a weird mixture. Yeah.

Right. But I think that this starts to happen. News stories get created, right?

Yeah.

Things get whether they're fiction or whatever goes on, you don't even know a lot of times what's news stories. You can send actors out to create a scene. You see a video, you believe it. Um, and then they make movie.

That's been done before.

Right.

That's been done before.

Oh, yeah. There was it but, but then you see movies and stuff come out later about it. So it's like.

Yeah.

You're almost creating your own, um.

Right.

News to then make, like, a, a based on a real story.

Uh-huh.

You know what I'm talking about?

Well, yeah.

Like, it's all this, uh.

I guess. Yeah. Like, they, they let the talent agency know they're about to do this so they can start casting.

Yeah.

The dramatic.

It makes sense 'cause it's like then you're just you're.

God.

But it's just like, "What do we do?" You know?

Well, they've been doing this forever. They've been doing this forever.

Yeah.

And, you know, they've been shaping our views of war. And, you know, that's one of the reasons why they started making all these war movies. Do you know that?

Mm-mm.

Okay. So in World War I, one of the problems that they had was people didn't wanna be over there killing people.

Yeah.

And so people were shooting, but they weren't shooting at the actual enemy. They would, like, shoot over their heads.

Oh.

Or shoot to the left of them or to the right of them. They didn't wanna kill people. And they realized, like, that you take people, just regular people from the city and from the farm and put them in a uniform and tell them they have to go kill people. This is no YouTube back then, no television back then, right? So their ideas of what's right and wrong are all based on their life.

Yeah.

Like, their actual life. And so then they realized, "Well, we've gotta do something about that." And so after that, they started creating all these really patriotic war movies where the guys are heroes. They go over, and they shoot all the bad guys, and then they're awesome. So then the next group of people that go to war are all gonna be indoctrinated with these films.

Right.

And these films are that America's the best, and we're number one, and we're gonna go over there, and this is how you get all the girls. You be a fucking hero and go over there and shoot those Germans.

Yeah, and come back and play with a tit.

Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah.

Come back and get rid of them like a fucking cowboy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Woo.

The tits'll be here when you get off the boat.

Yeah.

Um.

Baby girl.

And that's, uh, that's what they did. They, they.

I can see that.

And, I mean.

Makes sense.

For sure.

'Cause it's almost like you're advertising.

The CIA and, you know, various federal organizations have a say in how America's portrayed in movies, right? It's like if you're gonna get access to if you're gonna do some film on the, you know, the Pentagon or something like that, you, you bet bitch, this better make us look good. You know, they're not gonna let you make them look like a bunch of bumbling fucking retards that are just doing it for their career. No. You better make us look good. You can't fake what the Pentagon is, bitch.

Yeah.

You know? And you're like, "Okay, sir. What ."

Yeah.

Tell me how you'd like Mr. Cruz to talk about his work." And, you know, you'd make them look like the most awesome human beings that have ever been. So that way, you, like, you wanna support them. You wanna fund them.

Yeah.

And you wanna listen to them when they talk it on the news.

Well, uh, in a lot of, like, the projects, I think they have to have people from these organizations that come and, like, oversee how the organization is presented, right?

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

So it's like if you wanna do something where the Navy's involved, you have to have people there from the Navy that are, like, overseeing it and making sure that everything is, uh, presented, um, to you know, to be true to the Navy, but also, like, there could be maybe some manipulation there. But we just had Gary Sinise on the podcast, man. It was really cool.

Oh, he's cool.

Dude, if you ever wanna donate to something where people do, man, what? It is just an impressive his whole organization is.

What is he doing?

Well, he does a lot of stuff for veterans, right? He does a lot of stuff for first responders, you know, or EMTs.

Mm-hmm.

Um, he does a lot of stuff for, um he does this thing where they take kids who have lost a fa a parent to the in, uh, military action. Um, he takes them to Disney World every year, like, this big group of them, you know? Um, just, uh but just, like, really, like, does it, you know?

Mm-hmm.

Like, he has a band that plays. He, he there's a bunch of organizations. He was, like, one of the first responders of, um, out there feeding people, uh, feeding the first responders who were there at the Palisades when that happened.

Mm-hmm.

Just, like, a lot of neat stuff, you know? Big heart.

Did you ever did you ever think you'd be in the position you're in where you're just having all these weird conversations with interesting people? 'Cause this is not like.

No.

When I first met you, I would have never suspected that this would be a path that you would go down.

Yeah, not at all.

You know? It's interesting that you went down that. Like, how what, what led you to wanna start doing that?

Well, I think a couple of things. I think, um well, I think I I didn't know I was kinda competitive in some ways.

Mm-hmm.

You know? Like, I think, um I think I'm kinda competitive. Like, I wanna see what's possible that's maybe inside of me.

Mm-hmm.

You know?

So competitive with yourself or competitive with other people that are also doing it?

Um, just competitive 'cause I think I, I, I there was I, I felt like maybe some people thought this thing like, "Oh, this guy can't do it."

Ah, interesting.

You know? I don't think that's I think there were some people that were maybe like, "Oh, I'm surprised that this guy enjoys this or likes doing it." But I think there was, like yeah, that this guy can't do it. And I just never had a voice when I was a kid, you know?

Mm-hmm.

I never had a voice.

Right.

Like, you know, so much of my childhood, I think I just couldn't even speak up for myself. I didn't even know what I wanted to say. I didn't even know what my feelings were, right? I just.

Right.

I was just like this. I just it, it just felt tough, you know?

Yeah.

And so I think when.

Yeah.

Yeah, when I started to kinda get into podcasting and have a little bit more of a voice and then to get to talk to some people that I that, that, that I felt like were important that weren't getting voices.

Mm-hmm.

Like, even, like, we had a doctor from Gaza on last year or this year, and that was, like, a moment for me. I was like, "Oh, this is important stuff."

Mm-hmm.

You know? Like, um, other people aren't putting this voice out there, right? Some people are.

Yeah.

But, like, the mainstream media, I don't feel like was doing a good job of it.

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And it just like.

Well, that's not what they do. You know? I mean, the, the reason why we can do what we do is 'cause there's not really anyone over there doing they never figured this out before. They never figured out that, hey, there's a lot of people that are in their car for hours every day. They're on the train for hours every day. They're in the gym. They're doing different stuff where they wanna listen to things. Or when they come home, they don't wanna watch late-night TV. They wanna watch an interesting conversation, you know?

Yeah.

And that just they didn't know that that was a thing. That's all that was. We snuck in. I think we snuck in. I think they had no idea. They thought this was just shitty radio.

Yeah.

You know?

And I think my whole life, I think people looked at me and thought, "Oh, this dude's just fucking shitty radio."

Yeah.

You know?

But.

Or I feel like that. In a way, you know?

Well, I think like, when was the first time.

And I still think it is. My show I mean, look, I feel lucky to have a show. We work hard, you know, with podcasting. I feel lucky to get to talk to a lot of people. I don't think we do a lot of information type of stuff, you know? And I wish we could do better with that sometimes. I think maybe that's a goal of mine next year is to try to learn more stuff just in the day-to-day so I can have conversations that are maybe more important. But then also, maybe that's not what I'm supposed to do, and I'm just supposed to be just having conversations that are fun. And so.

Well, it's, it's what you're supposed to do if that's what you wanna do. What, what I think is the only important thing the only important thing is. Is what you wanna do.

Yeah.

And.

Yeah.

To be genuinely curious about whatever you're talking about.

I agree.

You know? And then hopefully be talking to someone who's telling the truth. That's where it gets weird.

Mm-hmm.

Now, sometimes people will be charismatic, and they'll be very persuasive, but it, it turns out they have an agenda, and they're not telling the truth. And you might not know that. That, that becomes a problem.

Yeah, I realize that.

'Cause there's been.

Some people are taking advantage of the fact that, uh.

Mm-hmm.

That they'll come on. And I, I, I sometimes have been a little bit naive to think that somebody would do that, but people do do that.

Oh, 100%. Like, heads of state, you know? Like, if you're gonna have someone who's the president of a country that's in the middle of a war, and they wanna come on your podcast and talk, you're not you're gonna you're not gonna get anything objective. You're gonna get them selling that they're the good guys. And, uh, that's weird. That's a weird one because unless you're an absolute expert in what is going on in that region and you know exactly what's true and what's not, and there's two very compelling and very loud narratives, you know, good luck. Good luck sorting out that conversation.

Yeah.

But I am interested in having conversations with people that I've I've that I think are intriguing, you know, that I think are being honest. And, uh, whether I agree with them or not, they're being honest, and they're intriguing. That's what I like.

Yeah. Yeah, and I think some of that is me learning a little bit more. I mean, I think I do like having stuff where people have more feelings and their stories about stuff, you know? So that's something that I would maybe like to focus on more next year. Like, people's genuine, ge genuine human experiences, you know?

Mm-hmm.

Like, a guy or a woman or a kid, somebody who's been through something, you know, wants to share.

Right.

Some of that.

Right.

So maybe that's something I'll try to get into a little bit more. Um, I don't know. But yeah, I just feel lucky. Like, my mom listens to my podcast every week.

Uh-huh.

You know? And we never got to spend any time together when I was a kid. So sometimes that kinda even keeps me going, you know?

Mm-hmm.

It's like she's like our biggest fan. And so it's weird.

That's gonna make her proud.

Yeah, it was just so weird when I was a kid. Like, she didn't have any time, and then now she just like, you know.

All the time.

She loves it. Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think yeah, I don't know. And it's, like, just affording me a lot of, like, just neat opportunities. Yeah, sometimes talking to people. Like, we got to learn about, like, the healthcare last year and how, you know, a, a lot of these political parties have put forward these, um, like, um, like these presidential what's it called when they sign something like this is an order, like an executive order.

Mm-hmm.

Right? That price transparency needs to happen with healthcare, right?

Yeah.

And so that was something that I realized was super important to me because, like, Bernie Sanders agrees with it. Trump agrees with it. Uh, Thomas Massey agrees with it. Ro Khanna agrees with it. There's all these people that say they agree with it, and everybody says, but it never really gets to where it needs to be, right? So you can go to a place, and a hospital can charge you anything for an MRI, right?

Mm-hmm.

They're supposed to show their prices like a menu. And if they do that, then they have to compete. You could call two places. This person's like, "Well, it's 30,000 bucks," and this person's like, "No, it's 700 bucks." So you're gonna go there.

Right.

But they, they keep it vague so they can, like, keep the prices really high.

Mm-hmm.

And then they can keep this whole insurance rigmarole going on.

Well, they're private corporations. That's what's nuts. And the private companies own hospitals. They're private, you know? And.

So that that's probably why they can do it too.

They're hoping.

Yeah, hoping they're gonna be.

They're there for your best interest.

Yeah.

What they're there is to make the most money possible. And to one of the ways they do that is they're incentivized to give you certain medications financially. Financially incentivized to give you certain pharmaceutical products, and they make more money if they do that. I had Mary Tally Bowden on the podcast. She's, uh, a respiratory, um, physician. And she, uh. Doctor, whatever it is. Um, she was saying that if she vaccinated all of her patients she has a very small practice. She vaccinated all of her patients for COVID, she would have made $1.5 million.

Wow.

Like, that's, that's the motivation. Like, that's not.

For sure.

Someone's someone's not gonna they're not gonna give you objective advice unless they're, they're a really good person like she is. They're not gonna give you objective advice. What they're gonna say is, "Hey, they say you should take it. I say you should take it too because I wanna go to I wanna go golfing."

Yeah.

I wanna BMW, and I wanna go golfing.

Yeah.

So take it.

I don't care if you're in a fucking wheelchair in three weeks.

Well, I do.

Had a moderate myocarditis fucking.

I want an M5.

Yeah, yeah.

I've got it picked out already. I want the carbon interior.

Yeah.

Carbon fiber accents.

It's just yeah, so.

Yeah.

But, like.

It's a trap.

It's a trap. But learning about, like, that kinda stuff, like, things like that, you used to be like, "Oh, this is a little cause that, like, means something to me," you know?

Yeah.

Because then you think there are people probably right now that are afraid to go get healthcare because it and all then it messes up your credit, right? Like.

Yeah.

The number one cause of bankruptcy in America is medical debt.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Think that's crazy.

It's crazy.

So now you're in debt, and now there's the stress of that. It's like.

The also the problem is the system is so deeply intertwined in our society that to unwind it now and to somehow or another start some sort of competent social medicine. But then that's the other problem is socialized medicine has not been effective anywhere. Like, everywhere else, like, the difference between it's really a difference between money. Like, if you have money in America and you break your leg, you can go to a really good doctor and you get your leg fixed.

Break your leg.

Right?

Yeah.

If you have money and if you're using if you have socialized medicine and you're in England, for instance I have a lot of friends in England that have they use the socialized medicine there. They have it in Canada. Like, my friend in Canada, it took her a year to get a, a knee reconstruction, and they did a terrible job of it. They re-repair her ACL, and she's still she's fucked. She can't fully straighten her leg out.

Yeah, every time she fucking look yeah, she just moonwalks everywhere.

She's got a, a limp, a noticeable limp.

Oh, damn.

And they just fucked it up. They did a shitty job. And, you know, look, that could happen in America too, but you could get an operation quicker here. It but it's really just money. And the, the real problem with America is that you could have something really wrong with you, and you have insurance, and then your insurance denies you coverage for what's wrong with you. Like, Ben Askrin. You know the story with Ben Askrin?

Mm-mm. I know he's been getting better, right?

He's getting better, but he had a double lung transplant. He had lung and the insurance didn't cover it. How, how could you not cover that? The guy gets sick. It turns out he's a very rare like, I think it was like a staph infection or some kind of bacterial infection that was eating his lungs.

Oh.

So they had to put him on a respirator. He was on a respirator for a long time.

Oh, my God.

Then they had to give him a double lung transplant.

Hmm.

And insurance companies didn't cover it.

Yeah. It's like, well, what are you even there for? And then the stress imagine his wife probably or who him. He is in and out of consciousness. He has to call them probably. And just the stress of the, like, we can't do it. Can you fill out these form? Just the it's almost like they just wanna kill you with the stress. It's just.

They just wanna spend the least amount of money possible and make the most amount of money possible.

But when does it all happen?

And United Healthcare, there's something about United Healthcare that's attached to this government shutdown bill too. The reason why they were shutting down the gu there-there's something about the flow of money to United Healthcare, which is, you know, that company where that guy got assassinated.

Mm-hmm.

Everybody cheered. And 'cause also 'cause Luigi's kinda hot. Good-looking guy.

I didn't I didn't see it.

You didn't see Luigi?

No, I'm joking you. I thought he's looking pretty.

Good-looking guy.

I mean, he's fine. Yeah.

Handsome man.

I like yeah, I like women.

Handsome hero.

Yeah, but still a handsome guy.

Well, I'm not saying you don't like women.

Okay.

But, you know, I'm not saying you fuck alligators, but you know what one looks like.

Yeah, yeah.

Come on, dog.

You're right about that.

That's a good call.

Hey, I ain't gay, but I'll hold it in my mouth till a gay guy gets there.

Yeah, but.

You ever heard that?

If I told you it's an alligator, you wouldn't be like, "Bro, I'm not gay."

Yeah.

You would say, "Yes, it is an alligator."

Dude, my butt.

You know?

Oh, yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I'm saying Luigi's handsome, and you're like, "I'm not gay." And I'm like, "That's not what I asked."

Right.

I asked you if you can see things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Take those fucking shitty fake glasses off.

Well, I.

Maybe you could tell Luigi's a handsome man.

Helping or not.

You know, a lot of people think that Luigi was like some M-MK Ultra thing.

Oh.

Like, they, they tricked him and hypnotized him and got him to go in and shoot that guy.

Well, I think there's a lot of that going on. And yes, I did have dinner at Candace Owens' house recently.

Yeah.

So maybe, you know, I, I have there's definitely, you know, uh, a lot of.

You're conspiratorial.

A lot of conspiratorial foods on the menu over there.

Really?

You know? Uh, I don't know if I'd say that. I mean, they had, like, an unvaccinated quail with, like, an mRNA demi-glaze. So maybe.

Man.

You know?

Man.

Kind of, you think?

Bro, they're trying to vaccinate cows. Do you know about that?

They, uh.

They're trying to give cows mRNA vaccines.

Are they really?

Yeah. They're just trying to use the technology to make money. If you really think they're doing it to protect the cows, you're out of your fucking mind. Any of this stuff is just about money. Cows are fine. There's nothing wrong with the cows. The cows are fine.

Why are they even doing that then?

Let the cows eat grass. They'll be even better. That's what they're supposed to be eating. Let them all eat grass. They'll be fine.

But isn't.

Occasionally, some cows will get sick. Brucellosis is real. It's when bison and cows intermingle. You know, bison give cows brucellosis, and it kills a bunch of them. But other than that, fucking relax.

Yeah.

Relax.

Well, it just never ends. There's it feels like there's everything there's there's just always a problem with everything. I don't know. Maybe I'm tripping.

Well, the, the worry that people have is that somehow or another that stuff's gonna get into your food.

Yeah.

Well, they're, they're right, probably.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're right 'cause they've already talked about somehow or another getting mRNA vaccines into vegetables so that you wouldn't even have to get vaccinated. You can get it from your diet. It's like.

They tried to give me a tetanus shot the other day.

It doesn't even work.

What, tetanus shot?

No. The fucking mRNA vaccines. You're putting it in food, and it doesn't even work.

Dude, I'm not taking it.

It doesn't work when you take it. People aren't even taking it anymore, and now you're trying to put it in food.

What are they putting it in? You said radish or what was it? Cucumber?

Radishes. I don't know. They were trying to put it in vegetables. It's like.

Oh.

I mean, I think it's theoretical at this point.

Put it in.

But I know Bill Gates was talking about it.

I just feel it's like, when does it end? Like, when is it like?

It ends when they stop making money. They as long as they can figure out a way to trick you into thinking that you need something.

Mm-hmm.

Or you or, you know, you're not gonna make any money.

Yeah.

Did you know that tetanus well, you were talking about tetanus. Did you know tetanus is a bacteria? And it's extremely rare in America. Like, very, very, very, very few people ever get tetanus. You think tetanus comes from a dirty nail, like you step on a nail? No, tetanus is a bacteria.

Yeah.

And they and it can be cleaned out.

Mm-hmm.

And also, tetanus is the one of the rare vaccines that works as a prophylactic, like, after the fact. Like, you could get step on a nail. You don't have tetanus yet. They give you the tetanus vaccine after you stepped on the nail.

And then you get it.

And it still protects you. No, it protects you.

Right.

So you don't need to take it. Tetanus is super rare in America. It's not you could completely fix it by cleaning out the wound. And if you get tetanus, they just inject you with the tetanus vaccine then. Like, there's no need to give tetanus shots to babies.

Yeah, they were saying maybe you should get it. And I was like, "I don't even know if I've had it," you know?

Yeah.

But I don't want it. I don't want anything else.

You probably had it when you were young.

Yeah, yeah. I think I had that, but they, they like, "You should get it every 10 years." I'm like, "I don't know. I don't care. I'll be fine. I'm okay."

It's real common in other countries. Like, apparently, it's they say the Congo.

What tetanus is?

Yeah.

Hmm.

It's a bacteria. I didn't know it was a bacteria.

Yeah.

I thought it was something you got from rusty nails, you know?

Oh, it's a vaccine.

But it makes sense if it's a vac-vaccine that it's protecting you from something that's kind of alive. A vir like a virus is kind of alive, right? Like, they don't consider it a life form. But I mean, it seems like it spreads. It gets in a bunch of different people. It needs the person as a host. It seems like it's a kind of life.

A vi I mean.

It's trying to consume you. It's trying to destroy your body, and you're fighting it off.

Yeah.

And it, it hops from you to your kids to your neighbor to you know, it's a kind of alive, and it kind of needs a person. If it's propagating, right, if it's spreading, like, what is it?

A virus?

Yeah. I mean, you're, you're I don't think they consider viruses a life form, but it sounds a lot like a different kind of life form, like a parasitic life form.

Yeah.

That's what it sounds like.

Yeah.

Doesn't it?

I mean, I don't think they're saying that it's not. They're saying that it's bad, right, a virus?

No, I don't think I don't think they consider it a life form. Like, do they consider viruses a life form? Put that in Perplexity. We have a sponsor. We have an AI sponsor.

I use Perplexity.

Yeah, it's, it's really good.

Oh.

But let's find out if they consider put that shit in there. Let's find out if they consider viruses a life form 'cause I don't think they do. I think it's considered something different.

Dude, I'm so a I'm so j.

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Ooh.

Yeah. I'm, I'm with those folks. It's a life form. It's a weird life form. And here's the crazy thing. If you think about it that way.

Mm-hmm.

Then you gotta think about gain-of-function research. Gain-of-function research is like taking a.

A perfect cow.

Grizzly bear and go, "That grizzly bear should be on Roids." And you take a grizzly bear and you jack him up on Trend. And you, you give him testosterone and cocaine and then let him loose in the woods. That's what gain-of-function research is. And our government was funding that. They were funding making more evil life forms. And that's where COVID-19 came from. It came from our tax dollars that goes off to this lab where they're working on making a v a life form.

Why?

More vicious to people.

What do they want?

It's a fucking weapon. That's what I think.

But didn't they just use it against us?