Transcript of #2410 - Jeff Dye

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But they tricking me, Joe. They're. They're baiting me in with the algorithm.

These. They get me, too. They get me in the morning.

I was just talking about with Jamie that, like, are we rolling?

Yeah.

What you're talking about with him is, like, I'm so good at, like, not caring what people think, sort of. And then I find no, I really care a lot. Like, I'm, like, in a constant tug of war of that. Because I used to have Google alerts.

On oh, no, for your name.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then I had to get rid of that. Oh, yeah. Then I was like, I'm gonna check the YouTube comments. So that's. That was a ring that I had to close. I'm slowly closing the rings. The ring I'm stuck in right now is checking what, like, my comedy peers are up to, you know, that kind of stuff. The one that they make videos. The videos they make of, like, oh, so. And so is. Is, you know, having a breakdown or Mark Marin said this or those kind of, like, those rings, you know? But I need to close that. I want to get. I want to have. No, none of it. I want to. I don't want to check any comments or any. Anything.

I'm much better at this stuff than I ever have been in the past of avoiding most things that are annoying. But every now and then, one will sneak in, and then. Why did I let that sneak in?

Yeah.

Bother me.

Yeah. I texted, yeah, check this out. He goes, don't send me like this.

The Ronda Rousey one didn't really bother me.

Okay, good.

I mean, I know what that is.

Yeah.

You know, like, she's. She's a pit bull, man. That's the type of human.

Thanks, brother. You're welcome. Do you mind if I tell you my opinion of Rhonda Rossi and you tell me if I'm right or not? You go ahead, because you know what you're talking about, and I am not a ufc. I like. I like ufc, but I don't, you know? You know these things. So I've always said, like, Ronda Rousey was a badass, right. And was awesome at fighting when there was, like, 30 girls doing it in, like, professionally at her level. Mm. Right. That's why I said I might be wrong. But then there was probably all these girls who could really Fight all over the world, like in Japan and in other countries and even, maybe even in America that just weren't in ufc. They're like, mean. I, I could probably beat this chick. And now that there's so many women competing on this level, like Ronda Rousey probably isn't in her prime, as badass as like the field.

Well, it's very difficult to. When someone's a pioneer, she's a legitimate pioneer. It's very difficult to compare them to the people that have had a chance to study the pioneers and then advance the sport.

Right?

So what she was is, here you go. She's a legend. I mean, I got nothing but love and respect for that lady. What she did was so impressive. She was the first legitimate female superstar. She made the UFC female division possible. If it wasn't for her. Dana was very open about never having female UFC fighters. It took someone that was that dynamic, that was that special to open his eyes and go, you know what? I think this lady's a star. And to be the type, like when she said, like, I wasn't an expert. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, you know, but you got to understand why she thinks like that. Because she's a fucking, she has a champion mentality. You never fought. You ain't shit. You know, it's like, it's real simple.

The football guys did that. You didn't play. You're like, yeah, but I studied the sport.

Doesn't matter. You ain't shit. I get it. It's totally fine. You can't judge her, like, compare her to like Zhang Weili, because like Zhang Weili, who was the 115 pound champion. She had a chance to watch all these other people learn what they're doing right, what they're doing wrong, what's effective, what's not effective. What Rhonda had is world class judo, world class bronze medalist in the Olympics, one of the best arm bars, period in the sport, in the history of the sport. Her fucking arm bar. The technique was flawless.

The.

This is a fight with her and Kat Zingano. Katzingano launches at her. Just fucking. Katzingano was an animal. Charges at her full Rhonda catches her in an arm bar in like 13 seconds. I don't remember the exact time, it was nuts. But it was perfect. Perfect technique, you know, you couldn't with that. But then she fought Holly Holm, and when she fought Holly Holm, she was dealing with an elite boxer, an elite kickboxer and, and a very physically strong woman who had an awesome Game plan and who had a chance to study Ronda and maybe more importantly, came from a great camp. And that camp, Jackson, winklejohn camp, one of the best camps in the world. Jon Jones came out of that camp. Holly Donald Cerrone originally came out of that camp. A lot of great fighters came out of there. So they were really good at game planning. So they knew how Ronda likes to clinch, they knew how Rhonda likes to set up her takedowns, and they knew, you know, what to avoid. And then on top of that, Holly's just an elite striker. So every time Ronda tried to close the distance, the striking that she was very effective with against guys like Betch, Koheia, these.

These fighters that were a lower tier, it's not going to be as effective with someone like Holly. And Holly started catching her on the feet and had her rocked and then landed that famous high kick and put her out.

Well, I thought they were like the same age and same era, but like, Holly's after she was able to learn from.

I wouldn't say they are the same era, but Holly, you know, she had wins and losses. She lost to Valentina Shevchenko, she lost to some other fighters. And. But it was. Stylistically, it was a great matchup for her because she's an elite striker. She's really good at counter striking, striking. She's really good at movement. And when Rhonda has to close that distance, every fight starts in the feet. And when you're with a very physically strong woman who's got good takedown defense and is good at, like, catching you as you're charging in, that was. That was the problem in that fight. Also. The problem in that fight, I think, for Rhonda, is when you start becoming really famous, then the hyenas show up and they start offering you this and offering you that and distracting you with this and distracting you with that. And now you're going to meetings and you talk to agents and you're setting up movies, and you're doing this and you're doing that, and all those things take away from the most important thing, which is your fighting. Even if they don't take away from the amount of training you do, they take away from your focus.

They just. They rob you of the bandwidth. You know, I always tell comics this when it comes to, like, dealing with haters and things online that you shouldn't read, you only have, like, think of your mind as having a number of units of attention. Think you have a, like, 100 units of focus. Anything that eats into those units. Anything that bothers you, that annoys you, that's useless. That doesn't help you. That's stealing from your 100, you know. So now you only have 80 units or 70 units of focus, because 30 of it is concentrated on bullshit. It'll rob you of what makes you great. So there was two factors. There was the skill of Holly, the fact that she had all this opportunity to study Rhonda and with a great team and devise a game plan. And then there's also the stealing of focus. You know, Rhonda, I was one of the biggest champions of her as a fighter, as a. As a. Like a legitimate pioneer and a star. It was. First, it was Gina Carano and Chris Cyborg to a certain extent, but Cyborg had an asterisk because everybody knew she was roided up.

And then it was Rhonda. But Rhonda eclipsed all of them. She was bigger than all of them. I was a huge supporter, and still am. But when you watch a fight and you're watching you get your ass kicked and the other person is talking about how great the other person is doing and how bad you're doing, that doesn't sit well with a lot of people. Especially, like, someone who's got that kind of champion mentality, that fucking pit bull mentality. Like, I thought you were with me.

Fuck you. Yeah.

And then it was after the fight, I was very public about saying, I don't think she should fight for a long time. They were talking about doing an immediate rematch. And I was like, that's crazy. Like, they were talking about doing a rematch in four months or something like that. I was like, when you get head kicked into the shadow realm, you're supposed to take a long time off. When Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez, it was a fucking picture perfect right hand. Who knocked. That knocked Manny Pacquiao out. His coach, Freddie Roach, said, you can't fight for a year. I don't want you doing anything for a year, for one year, because you got to heal up from something like that. It's. It's bad when you get knocked unconscious. It's not just that you'll be a touch gun shy, which is possible, but also that you're more vulnerable to getting hit. And then you could ruin your chin forever. Like, if you get knocked out. There's certain fighters that used to have iron chins. Like Chuck Liddell is one of the greatest examples of that. He had an iron chin. You could hit that dude with A fucking sledgehammer.

And he would just keep swinging at you. And then eventually it got to the point where he would get clipped and he would just go out. And it wasn't him. It was his. His bro. His brain was broken. It was. There was too many times, too many shots, too many, too many knockouts, too many impacts. You gotta preserve that. You got to be very careful with that. You got to take a long time off. And then there was the Amanda Nunes fight. So the Amanda Nunes fight. I was also very vocal that everybody was putting all of the attention in the promotion on Ronda making this huge comeback. And if you watch the promos for that fight, I thought they were crazy disrespectful, because the promos. And obviously, look, Ronda was. Was a fucking huge star, a much bigger star than Amanda Nunes. And that loss was a shocking upset to a lot of people that didn't understand Martial Arts and didn't think that Holly had a chance, didn't think anybody had a chance. She was going to beat everybody forever. But all the promo was Rhonda coming back. All of it was like, she's coming back to take what's hers.

It was Rhonda in a mansion, looking out. It was like the worst promo set. Like Rhonda in a mansion, looking out the window, saying, I'm going to come get my title. I don't know who made that. I don't know what it was. But I remember being backstage the day of the fight, and there was all these agents mulling around, all these Hollywood twats, and this guy was like, I forget his exact words. They were talking. He didn't know who Rhonda was fighting. And he said, I don't know what her name is, but whoever it is, it's her funeral. That's what he said. I was like, oh, my God, these are the people. Meanwhile, Amanda Nunes was the scariest person at 135. And that what I. That's what I had said before she fought Holly Holm. I mean, like Dana and I talked about. I said, I think Amanda's the scariest title challenger because she can flatline chicks with one punch. She's very different than all the other ones. She wound up flatlining Chris Cyborg. It was a crazy fight. She beats the fuck out of everybody. She hits so hard, like, way harder than most women.

And I was like, that's a dangerous fucking opponent. And they're making it seem like this is all about the Ronda comeback. When Amanda was the champion so Holly had beaten Ronda, Misha Tate had beaten Holly, and then Amanda had beaten Misha Tate. So Amanda was the fucking champion. But all the promotion was all about Ronda. And then they were trying to do like pro wrestling. Like, I don't know what they were.

She'll come back.

I think, you know, they were just selling the fight. They were selling it. And the best way to sell it is, I guess that way it was more famous. But it's disrespectful to the champion, especially a fucking dangerous champion. And if she, if the champion wins, which I thought she was going to win, it sets up. It's not good to set her up. Like, you should set her up, like how fucking dangerous she is now. You got a bigger star. Obviously she wound up being a bigger star. And Amanda's the greatest of all time. Like, widely considered to be the greatest mixed martial arts female fighter in history because she fucks everybody up. She's just so dangerous. So. And then that fight happens and then that lady takes Rhonda out in the first round. Just beats the piss out of her, just stops her standing. Just. It was brutal. You know, I never had a bad thing to say about Rhonda. I still don't. I understand her mentality. I mean, she's a champion minded person. Like, she's like, you're fucking with me or against me, it's me against the world. You know, she doesn't have a chip on her shoulder.

She's got a forest. She's got a whole forest on her shoulder.

You know what I mean?

Like, but that's why she was so good. And we're lucky she's a woman. If that lady was a man, she'd be Genghis Khan. She'd fucking take over the world.

She's an animal, scary.

So that's why she has that opinion. That's just how she thinks about things.

I was mad at her just as an everyday man because my nieces love any woman that's famous for any reason, you know. And my nieces also aren't experts about ufc. They're girls. And they just think it's cool that a woman's a badass. You know, they like that kind of stuff. And so then when she lost to like, you know, be on Tick Tock, I mean, actually people made tick tocks of it. It's not like Ronda Rousey was on Tick Tock, but like, she was like on Ellen being like, I just wanted to quit. And I saw my man and I just realized I Want to have babies. And I was like, this is not really the message, you know, if you lose, to just go be a pro wrestler or have babies. Like, that's not like. I don't know. I felt like it was a strange way for a champion to talk.

Yeah, but that's her legitimately as a human being. That's what she wanted. And there's a. There comes a time that's good.

No, that would be a fine way to frame it.

Well, she was being honest. She wanted to have babies. She didn't want to do it anymore. And that there comes a time where, look, every fighter can only redline for so long. And the reality of fighting is you're redlining.

What does that mean?

You know what a red line. When the engine. You know when your tachometer reaches like 8,000 RPMs, like baaaaa. Right. You can only do that for so long or your engine blows. But to be in peak physical condition, to be able to fight in a championship fight, you essentially have to redline your body through camp. You have to get your body to a place where it's at a rate. You can't maintain fight shape. It's not possible. You get to a certain part, you peak, and then the last week you kind of drop off so that you can recover. And so that Saturday night, when Saturday night rolls up and the lights go on in Madison Square Garden, you are as fucking ready as a human being can get. But you can't maintain that and you can't do that forever. This is only. And they think that there's a theory amongst mixed martial arts commentators and experts and what have you, that is about nine years. Nine years is all it's possible to compete at a peak level. And then you get a drop off. Some people have more longevity than others. It varies. Some people, it's a much shorter reign.

And you got to kind of look at who they were when they were at the top. You can only look at them when they're at that peak. Like guys like Anderson Silva, he gets kind of dismissed because later in his life, the performances weren't the same. They weren't elite performances. But I say that's just human. You got to look at him when he was the champion, he was one of the most elite guys that's ever competed in the sport, period. He's one of the greatest of all time. But you can only. You got to look at when he was in his prime.

Sure.

You know, and there's only a certain amount of time you can do that. And Then when a fighter doesn't want to do that and only that anymore, you got to get out.

You got to.

You got to get out because there's some fucking 20 year old Mike Tyson out there. There's some animal, there's some dude that lives, breathes, sleeps, fighting, and they. All they want to do is land shots and take you out. They just, they. That's their whole focus in life. They don't give a fuck about relationships, they don't give a fuck about where they live. They don't give a fuck about anything. Just winning. And that's how you become a world champion. That's how you become elite. You can only maintain it for so long. It's not a normal way for a human being to exist. It's very. It's a very strange way to live.

Yeah.

You know, and for her, it's natural. Like, she's a woman, she's like, I want to have babies. I have this great man. And. Yeah, and she's married to Travis Brown, who's also a beast, who is a elite UFC heavyweight, top 10 heavyweight, you know, she's like, I'm done. I'll make some warrior kids. I get it.

I saw it. I was like, what the hell does that mean?

She just didn't want to beat up.

You quit.

No, no, no.

Now my niece is root for Holly.

Home.

Good lady. Yeah, Holly Holmes. Nice.

She is nice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what we like. We like the winners who are nice.

Yeah, I get it. But there's something about Rhonda being Rhonda that made the sport what it is.

But I roots for Luke Skywalker, not Darth Vader. She's not Darth Vader. Sure, Darth Vader's cooler and he's probably more strong. He's got the thing, you know, but, you know, Luke's the good guy, and I like the good guy and I root for the good guy.

She's not a bad guy. She's, you know, like, look, her mother was a badass. Her mother was a elite judo competitor, actually.

I hate disagreeing with you, Joe, but she's. She went to wrestling Rhonda, and then she said all these terrible things about the wrestlers. She said terrible things about you, who I love.

She doesn't say anything terrible about me.

She said you're not an expert. That's all she said.

It's also. That's not terrible. That's just an opinion.

Seems mean to me.

No, no, no. That's all. Look, if I was a. It would be mean well, I'm a. I defend.

That's what I'm doing. If I was. We do. Dude. That's my whole idea, saying I, you know, she. She's kind of a grumpy, gnarly warrior, and warriors can be a little prickly.

She's definitely prickly. Yeah.

That's all.

But that's why she was awesome, you know?

That's what made her great.

It was great. She broke that door wide open. And all the women that came afterwards follow. And it's hard for women to become famous in MMA because it's hard for them to have the kind of spectacular results that men have. They generally don't have as much power. And unless they're like, elite, a judo or something like that, like she was. Where they get arm bars and finish people quickly. But that's what everybody likes. Everybody likes dominance.

And I want them to be hot.

That helps.

That's a good one. But it's hard to mix those worlds.

Yeah, you get warrior her, Holly. There's only a few of them that were, like, really hot and elite in the old days.

They weren't looking at the battle lines, and they're gone. I wish these warriors had more tits. Like, that's what I'm like. A very conflicted person. I want him to be badass, but also hot. Yeah. And crazy to get both of them.

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They're also going to be super crazy.

Yeah, for sure.

Especially while they're fighting. You know, it's like you don't really want that in your life. It's like, no way. You know what it's like? It's like a muscle car. Like, muscle cars are great to drive, but you don't want to take them on a road trip.

Dude, Chabi took me to. So I have a great Lakers hookup, right? I go to all the Lakers games. And I invited Brandon Schaub when we first became friends, I said, you want to come to Lakers game with me? You like it? We sit, we have great seats, we'll put you in the. We'll meet the owner. It'll be great. So that's my only kind of flex, you know, that can bring people to these kind of things. I don't have a lot to offer, but I can offer that. So he's like, yeah, I'll pick you up. And he comes to my house. Brandon Schaub comes to my house, like in a race car. I mean, this thing is. It's got the big spoiler on the back. Also, we're both big guys. I'm six four. He's. I don't know how tall he is, but he's taller than me. And we're in this tiny thing in traffic on the 101, going to a Lakers game, and we can barely talk. We're both talkers, you know, and it's like the whole time and I was just sitting like, what, halfway through the drive as. Even though we were like new friends at the time, I'm like, what made you pick this car?

You have other cars. And he goes, well, you're like a little kid and my son loves this car. So I just, I picked it because of you. You're like a little kid.

That's hilarious.

And he was right because when he pulled up, I was like, oh, this is awesome. But then I got in and I was like, bro, we're not built for this thing. It's tiny. Yeah, but that's not like your analogy. Like, that's not a day to day.

No, that's not a road trip car. You want to be in a Cadillac, you know, it'll be something that's quiet and real smooth and handles bumps well.

Exactly.

Like a person, right? Yeah, yeah. Like you want a one night stand, you want a muscle car, you want a long term relationship, get a Lexus.

And if you go to Lakers game, bring a goddamn SUV or something. Bring something real we're in the traffic.

Bring something quiet with good air conditioning.

His thought his heart was in the right place, and he was completely right.

What car was it?

I don't know what it is. It was like, I wouldn't even be able to guess.

You're not into cars?

I love cars, but I like the cars. I like. I've always loved big, stupid things like. Like big military vehicles.

Have you seen his Hummer?

Yeah. Love all that stuff.

Yeah, he's got a real Hummer with a crazy diesel turbocharged engine.

Last time I was here and I did his podcast, he had this huge bronco that he was like doing some thing where he's selling it. Like enough people buy tickets for it or something like that. Oh, yeah, that truck was a beautiful truck. And I like, like, that's what I like is like big, stupid tires. Anything in Mad Max, I loved anything the military drives. I was like, can I buy that? They're like, no, this is. It's not built for that.

You can buy a lot of things.

Those. Yeah, but that, like, they got to go to those auctions and shit.

Yeah, you just got to know people. You get a lot of things these days. I would love that.

Yeah.

There's some.

I've never owned anything that fits in my garage.

No. No.

I have to park on the street all the time. I had to get rid of my last Jeep because I put like 46 inch tires on it and I lifted it up and like, it has no doors and no top. And so it's just parked in Sherman Oaks on the street. And I'm on the road so much.

And it's just sitting there.

Just sitting there. So I come back, there'd be, you know, like someone would walk by with like a soda and just throw it in there, you know, because, you know.

They don't care and they get mad at you.

Right.

What do you have?

What a douche. Yeah. And where I am, it's not popular to have cool big shit like that.

Right. Sherman Oaks, it's popular to have a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker.

It's so annoying. I have a cyber truck and I. You can't really lift it, but since it has an air suspension, you can buy pins that make the air suspension one inch larger than whatever it's adjusting to. Because if you put a lift on it, it's going to screw it all up. So anyways, long story short, I have a lifted Cybertruck with big stupid tires on it, and I drive into the Comedy Store Parking lot. And I'm like, this really isn't helping my reputation. Every time I roll in, everyone's like, what is that?

It used to be that if you had a Tesla, you were, you were signaling that you were a left wing person. You know, you're environmentally conscious, worried about carbon.

Yeah, that, that was the. One of the more crazy shifts. And we could come up with a thousand of these. But like, EVs used to be considered, like this great thing you're doing.

Well, they still are.

Unless it's a cybertruck.

Unless it's a Tesla.

I get flipped off every day.

Really?

In my cybertruck? Yeah, every day.

There's a video of this lady in New Jersey. She gets out of a cybertruck. Just gets out. She was a passenger. And this lady who's walking her dog goes, how's it feel to be racist? And she's like, what are you calling. She's like, what are you talking about? She got a ride. She wasn't even driving. Someone dropped her off. She's like, what are you talking about? Yeah, you're racist. You're in a cybertruck. You're racist. And she's like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You're crazy.

It blows my mind.

Well, people are always looking for every possible opportunity to be a shithead. And if they can be a shithead, if they're justified in being a shithead because they disagree with you, they would be the meanest motherfuckers just to be a shithead. And that activity happens primarily on the left. Primarily. Like, you don't see that from the right. Like, if someone pulls up in a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker, you don't see a bunch of guys going, hey, you fucking pussy.

Yeah, exactly.

What are you. You supporting fucking Iraq? What are you.

Get out of our town.

Isis, with your fucking bullshit fucking bumper.

Sticker on your ship.

How's it feel to be an ISIS supporter? You don't get that ever, but you get that from the left. And I don't. I think it's the Trump thing. I think Trump was such a figure, is such a figure of like an attack vector that they look at him like it's fun for them.

Yeah, they have an enemy occupies their brain at all times.

They have an enemy. Yeah, Like, Jimmy Kimmel's wife was doing some podcasts recently, Jimmy and the wife and the wife was saying that she has a hard time talking to her relatives because they voted for Trump. She says, like, if you vote for Trump, you're voting against them.

Stop talking to them.

Yeah. You're voting against my husband and my family.

Like, what are you talking about? Well, I think that that's the big psyop. They've made everything racial. Everything is racial. And so the last thing you want to be called is a racist.

Right.

So when you make it as simple as race, like just racial, like just that blanketly simple, then anything another color does, you'd be considered. So you go, oh, I don't really believe. Or I think Muslims are blank, whatever that sentence is. You go racist. And you go, well, there's surely some things we could criticize about maybe North Korea. They go, oh, you're racist. So it's like. It's because it's so simple and it's so vague, and people love to keep vague things.

Yeah.

Because then they can make their. I saw a comedian. I won't say her name because I can't pronounce it, but it's. That's why I won't say it. Not because I'm holding back names. Marilyn Rice Gibb or Rice Gibb or whatever her name is.

I know Marilyn.

Yeah, she used to be really nice to me, and then. She used to be. Yeah, she. She got caught talking shit about me, and I DM'd her immediately. And then she's like. And, you know, I think she's a nice person.

She's a very nice person.

Yeah, she's nice, and people get caught.

Up in that shit.

I saw her do a bit the other night in the lab where she was like. She was like, I'm texting with this guy, and he said. She said, how are you? And he said, I'm just really sad of today about Charlie. About Charlie Kirk. And. And then she goes. And my hand was like. My phone was on fire.

I was like, ugh.

Like, what? And then the crowd laughed to her defense. Like, the lab at the improv thought this was a hilarious premise. And then she said she was like, what part of his ideas did you find so gripping? What was it his. Racist. She just started launching into, like. About how, like, the fact that a guy she liked would be sad about Charlie Kirk's assassination was the biggest turnoff to her that she wrote, like, a whole bit about it. And I was just. In my mind, I was like, I can't believe that this is her take. I can't believe it's a take that the crowd is on board with. And I can't believe I'm in this town anymore. Like, it was like, A moment for me where I was like, what am I, am I insane? No. Like that's what makes me. Those are the moments where you go, I think I'm the crazy person. There's a room full of people here who agree that Charlie Kirk must have been this terrible thing and hence deserves being publicly assassinated. And if you feel sad about it.

You'Re gross to her and she wants to throw her phone away and she wants to go.

And that's hilarious to everyone because the simple vagueness of race. You know, it's like this constant obsession with, you know, you have to agree with a socialist mayor in New York or you must be a racist or Islam. They've just made it so vague that it's very easy to always label her or put things in a thing.

Well, there's certainly cult like thinking involved in both the right and the left. It's a real problem with people that identify with any political ideology, whether they're identify as being a conservative or identify as being a liberal. It's a real problem because then you lose all your objective thinking and you have to agree with everything that this side supports. And generally that's never a good thing to just agree with like a swath of predetermined ideas. Yeah. And one is that public assassinations are okay and they're not sad. They're sad no matter who it is.

And I would say even if Charlie Kirk was a terrible person, even if he was, which he was not, I knew him and he was not, but even if he was, let's say they're right about all those things, you're happy that he got shot.

Now the correct way to handle someone who has bad ideas is to confront them with better ideas. It's not a 30 odd, six round to the neck, right. Publicly where people are cheering, that's crazy.

And they kept it vague. They keep it vague. That's how it always works. It's like, well, I go, well, why don't, why are you, why are you posting on social media that you, that you're happy about it or that you're not sad about it? Just tell me simply why, why you think that? And they go, well, because his ideas were dangerous. Super vague. Didn't say the ideas, didn't say how they're dangerous or why they're dangerous. It's always vague.

Well, there's also a problem with clips. When you take sound bites, like very short clips out of context of what someone's saying and then you highlight that one particular sentence and the way they said that sentence, you could frame someone in a very different way than who they really are. And I think there were some problems with some of the things that Charlie said, the way he said them, and in the fact that you could take it as a clip. And one of them was the idea of DEI pilots. Like the idea of any lowering of standards of anyone in a really important job like a pilot. Because a person is blank, fill in the blank because they're a lesbian or because they're gay or because they're white or because they're Chinese or because they're black or whatever it is. If you're lowering standards because you want more people of one thing, well, you've just made the skies a little more dangerous. You made a very dangerous thing, which is flying a little more dangerous. Dangerous. So his statement was, because they're doing this and they're trying to get. They're using DEI to hire people.

And when I get on a plane and I see a black pilot, I hope that they're qualified.

Or he wonders, yeah, he said, I don't want. I hate that when I see a black pilot, my mind thinks, I wonder if they were part of a DEI hiring. Correct.

Right. That's. It's a problem in the way set it right instead of saying that that way. Because what. One of the things that I pointed out is that what dei, especially in regards to education, the people that discriminates the most against, like people say it's a white supremacist idea to be against dei. The people that DEI discriminates the most against in education is Asians, because Asians fucking kill it in universities. They kill it. So much so that there was a giant lawsuit at Harvard because they were making their admission standards more difficult for Asian people than they were for white people, for black people, for everybody else. They made Asians more difficult because if they didn't, half of their fucking population in their classes would be Asian. Because they work harder. It's a cultural thing. You know, I grew up in taekwondo and I grew up around a lot of Koreans. And man, you haven't seen work ethic until you've seen first generation Koreans who come over to America and, you know, they have those tiger moms and tiger dads. That's a real thing.

That's good.

That is a fuck, I guess.

Well, I mean, for these sort of subjects, it's good for getting. Not great for trauma, not great for those things.

Right?

But if we're talking about the workforce or symphony, if, if it's just a.

Meritocracy if it's just a meritocracy, it's like, who is the best student, who is the best this, who's the best that? Yeah, it's good for that, you know, but it's like, it's the same thing. It was like trying to be a champion. You can only redline for so long before you go fucking crazy. And the, the lack of balance between pleasure and, and struggle and discipline and fun. You have to have balance if you want to have a good life. And ultimately you're supposed to be enjoying your life. I don't think you could truly enjoy your life without some measure of discipline. I think discipline is important. It's the reason why you can enjoy the relaxing moments because you earn them. You have to earn them. But I do think you should have them too. And when I was around a lot of Korean guys, like my friend Jung Sik, I've talked about him before, but he was a national champion when we were kids. He was not as talented as other people. He wasn't as fast. He didn't have any unusual genetic gifts that some people had. But that motherfucker worked so hard, hard.

He was in residency, okay? So he was in medical school while he was on the national team. So he would go to school all day and for workouts. Sometimes he would take all his books, put him in his backpack and run upstairs at the school, just run upstairs at the university. And that's how you get some of his cardio in. And then he would come to the gym and he would be, you know, he'd come to the gym for nighttime training. We train at like 6 o' clock at night, 7 o' clock at night. And he would be just drained, but he would fucking just dig in and get to it, man. And it was just, it's that mentality is why Asians do so well in school, right? It's like this pushing from their parents, the high pressure. And again, I don't think it's so good for you psychologically. I don't do that with my kids. My kids do very well in school, but they do very well in school because of the example that I and my wife set of be a nice person, work really hard, have discipline, do the stuff you're supposed to do, don't fuck off, you know, get, get the things done that you're supposed to do.

The. But would they be able to compete with some kid who just came over here from China?

I don't know why the countries like America so much is because they realize oh, if I work as hard as I can, maybe in wherever they live.

Yes.

You know, India or some of these other places, it's not a promise that they'll succeed and, but they love a capitalistic America where, like, yeah, if I put in the work and my kids put in the work and I force my kids to put in the work, it'll work.

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That's a problem.

Because in their mind, Asians don't complain as much. They get to work more. They're not the ones that are out there organizing signs, making signs. They're not doing that. They're fucking working. They don't have time to be going to these rallies and cheering and chanting. They fucking get to work. So because of that, they're not as represented when it comes to, like, grievances. So they, they. You Know, you can get away with being racist against them.

Right.

And you can get away with discriminating against them in higher education universities like Harvard, which is just crazy because it shows you're lying.

You.

You're not really caring about minorities. You're caring about very specific minorities because they give you social clout to represent and to. To fight for them. Like, if you're fighting for black people, if you're fighting for trans people, those are the people that are really noisy and really loud. And if you're on their side, you look good.

If you defend, you're virtuous. Yeah, exactly.

That's what it is. It's performative.

I think about it every week almost. It sounds strange, but, like, it can. These kind of things consume me. I don't have a wife and kids, you know, Like, I think about these things all day. But, like, I think about it with, like, in our. In our business, you know, like, there are so many women who complain, like, oh, no girls on the lineup, or only two. Two girls on the line. And I'm like, there's less of you. That's all it is. In fact, the fact that there's less of you in our industry is why you're able to stand out and succeed so much quicker than your male counterparts. So, yes, it can feel like a boys club, because it is. There's plenty of disadvantages to being a female comedian, like, putting up with these comedy club owners or working the road, or like, it is.

There's fans being creepy with creepy fans. They're different, like, 100%.

And I'm sympathetic to the things female comics have to go through, but if they just don't understand the numbers, like, there's girls in Los Angeles who are regulars at the Improv and the Laugh Factory and the Comedy Store who have been doing it a few years. And then there's guys that I know that have been doing it 15 years who, you know, subjectively are very, very funny and subjectively funnier than them, but at least inarguably funny. And they can't get any spots at these places because we need more women comics. I mean, we need more diverse lineups.

They've literally said that we have too many white male comics.

I've heard it my whole career.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

One crazy thing to say.

I was in Boston and there was this long line for this festival and all this. Not. It was to submit, like, to do audition. It was during last comic standing times. So they were doing these things where they liked filming the line and going, look, how many people are here to try out for our festival or whatever. And someone came out and goes, listen, if you're a straight white guy, you better be real different. And all of us just cut. Because Boston, we're all straight white guys. And I just remember being like, well, that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit. Like what? Like, what does that imply? I don't know. I only know about my circumstances. I can't have. I can't. One time my agent said to miss to me. He was talking, bragging about one of his clients. And he was like, jeff, listen, man, you know, I got this one client, he's handsome. He's. His parents are deaf. You know, he's black. He's got all these great things that make him very interesting for the industry. I think you're gonna have to, like, reinvent yourself or something. I was like, I can't make things up.

Like, I don't know what to tell you.

I'm a white guy. Just Hollywood.

Yeah.

And Hollywood's influence with the long tentacles of the octopus. But we don't do that in Texas. Like, in the mothership. It's a meritocracy. And because it's a meritocracy, it's very diverse. Yeah, you got a lot of women on lineup. You got a lot of all kinds of people, a lot of gay people. And the one thing that people keep saying about the. The comedy mothership is, oh, it's a right wing comedy club. The vast majority of comics at my club are left wing. The vast majority. Yeah.

No, I, I can.

They're artists.

Personally vouch for that. Yeah, yeah, there are. But they're reasonable lefties.

Yeah.

They're kind people who can sit in a room with a comic who doesn't agree with their politics and still just be human. That's a great.

We should all aspire to that. And that's what we aspire to at that club. Like, we don't tolerate any bullshit ideologically, one side or the other. It's not supposed to be about that. It's supposed to be about the art form. And, you know, there's shit. A lot of my fucking friends are like, far left. I don't care. Are you nice? Are you cool? Do you have interesting thoughts? Can we have conversations? I'm down with that. But there's this propensity, this thing that people do where they just decide, you're. You have a different ideology than me, so you're the enemy. And I think that is one of the stupidest Things you could do as a human being. It's weak. It's. It's simple. It's. You're, you're doing something that's just too convenient, and you're doing it because, you know, to be supported by a bunch of other fucking morons. Because we're in a TikTok generation where most people don't have nuanced perspectives on things.

Yeah. Like, I am a Christian, right? I've been a Christian since I was in my young 20s. I talk about it in my act, I talk about it in my life. And guess what? I have never once crashed out because of my Seattle comedian friends going on stage and calling Christians idiots or racists or fools or dummies. I've never once gone, I can't share a green room with someone who would espouse that type of hatred towards my faith. Right? Never once. I've heard every joke about straight white males. I've heard every. And I'm nice and I can get laughs and I'm pleasant to be around in these comedy clubs.

But that's why you're doing well.

Right? And I am now. And I am.

But you're doing well because you became undeniable. Yeah. And that's the real meritocracy aspect of comedy, is that if you kill. If the audience laughs and people keep coming to see you, you have an audience.

Right.

And the one thing that drives a lot of people crazy is they've. I've done all the right things and no one comes to see me. Because you forgot the one thing.

You might have been doing the right thing.

You forgot the one thing. Be funny.

That's it.

You fel. All the easy stuff. All the easy stuff is align yourself with the group, all the group think all the fucking chant all the right stuff. Say all the right things. Say things that don't even make sense, right?

So that you appear. Well, that's what I'm saying is that like, I got passed at the Comedy Store. Multiple comics went to the, to the booker and was like, he shouldn't be here. Do you. He does jokes about gay people and he does jokes about. Yeah, yeah, I do. Guess what? And they kill and I get laughs. And I'm. But again, I'm. You can still come up to me and talk to me and like, I'm, I'm not. I like everybody. I like trans people. I have a plenty of gay friends. I, I, I.

You know, you may have jokes about straight people too, though, and you are one of them.

That's the thing it's also fun to be naughty, isn't it? Yeah, I love women, but I trash them pretty hard in my act, you know? And so the only reason I was bringing all that up is that, like, I feel like I've never once gone, I can't talk to someone because of their standup comedy. I'm not going to go to the improv and go, mary Lynn Rice Gibbs shouldn't be allowed here because what she said about Charlie Kirk and I was offended.

I bet if you had a conversation with her about an actual conversation, it would be very reasonable.

Yeah. Because people are people and we should be able to share these spaces with these people no matter what we think. I'm not so far right or so far Christian that I go. I can't be in the same room. That's what cult people think.

Also, if you had a conversation with her, confronted her with the reality of what that guy had said and some of the conversations that he had with both trans people, people of color, all kinds. He was a very kind person, 100%. The problem is you don't look kind when there's clips and the clips show you saying something.

Aren't you afraid of that?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And you listen. I'm kind of a little bit inoculated against that because I have so many hours of me talking.

So does he.

Yeah, but in a different way, where people are listening to me having these three hour conversations. It's like, it's kind of hard to label me to anybody who's paying attention. And it's just the. It's also the. The benefit of having the biggest platform in the world.

Right.

Like, it's like there's enough people that have seen so many shows that, like, I know who that guy is. That's not who that guy is.

I think you're giving them a lot of grace because you have to. Because, like, people. Are you afraid of AI? No, not afraid of AI. What I'm afraid of is clips, short context, things. Even recently, I did Howie Mandel's podcast and I got asked for the millionth time about the Marc Maron thing. And. And I was like, what, dude? The good part of that Marc Maron story is that we buried it. I think. Who knows? It'll rear its head again, I'm sure.

Not with that guy. There's no burying.

I know, but like, I was like, how about that story? Tell that story, Howie. That we shook hands at the Comedy Store and were able to share a stage and not stage, but share the. The A room Full of stages. And it just. Howie's. Howie Mandel's team just posted the thing. So, you know, all the comments are like, jeff Dahl, I can't stop talking about Mark Maron again. And like, that's what I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk's guilty of. Or not guilty of it, but a victim of it. This, this short, real thing that is out of context. It's not a three hour conversation. No one's listening to Trump in long form. No one listened to Charlie Kirk in long form. The people that were informed did. But I'm saying the, the. The everyday person is kind of just kind of collecting these excerpts, right? And then forming a group think about those excerpts and the group think becomes their reality.

That's very true.

And I'm afraid of that for you.

Yeah, that's true in some ways. But it also benefits you in some ways, too. It's like there's good and bad. Like there's little things that you'll say that are funny that make it into clips and that's good too. It's like the thing. Like, I was talking to Tony about this because we were talking about people that complained about his show and talk shit about his show. I go, dude, they work for you. They don't realize it, but they work for you. They're the publicity arm, the negative publicity arm for the Kill Tony show. Do it. You don't worry about it and don't care.

Yeah, you can't, you know, write a book on that.

It's.

Teach me how to not care.

You just got to get to a point where you don't have to care anymore. Like, it's not gonna affect you. You know what I mean? Like, but that's. If you, but you. If you're in that position where I'm in that kind of sort of. You're not totally ever in that position, but you're much more in that position than the average person. It's your duty to not care. It's your duty to set an example and to say, look, you're supposed to be. When you get to the top. You're not supposed to be mean and, like, defend it and push everybody down. You're supposed to lift everybody up and be what you would hope the guy at the top would be. Be supportive. Try to help other people's careers. Try to promote them. Tell everybody how cool they are. Tell everybody how funny they are. Tell everybody good things that, you know, instead of complaining all the time about it, about everything, Find cool shit and inform people about it tell people cool shit that you've seen cool restaurants, you've been to cool music, you've listened to cool people you met do that. That's what I try to do.

And that, that's my. I, that is my obligation, I think, as in having the top podcast. You have to set an example that's beneficial for not just me, but for everybody.

Sure.

Yeah. This. And don't. Don't care as much, don't care as much about haters. You're going to have haters. The idea that you're not going to have people that hate you is crazy. Fucking. You could get like the, one of the things that I know from mma, the greatest fighters, the best guys in their prime. There's gonna be guys coming up that say, he ain't shit. I'll fuck him up, I'll take him out in one round. It's all. There's always that. He's got no defense, he's got no chin, he's got no heart. He's only good when he's winning. As soon as it gets turned on him, he's gonna fold. There's always someone talking and if you live your life constantly responding to those people, it's a, it's a waste of that 100. That 100 units of attention and focus that you have. You gotta protect that. Yeah. You gotta guard that 100 units, man. Don't let anybody steal your units with a comment on YouTube.

And it's never in real life for me.

Right?

It's never in real life.

Well, that's the problem.

I have to open this.

Yeah.

Before I spiral out. Even in my town of Los Angeles, you know, people go, why? Yeah, this dump. And then I, and then I, I'm walking around in Sherman Oaks, I've got my coffee, I'm seeing dogs, I'm seeing hot chicks. I'm in my barista's, like, hey, what's up, Jeff?

Like, I'm friends, beautiful weather.

Yeah. Wherever I go, like. Cuz I go to the same spots and I never. I talk to everyone. So like I've accumulated all these people who go, oh, we know that community is the best.

Or whatever.

Like in my little community. But then I turn on my phone, you know, you seen this Obama Baba Doomey guy? He's a Muslim, he's gonna ruin New York. And then I start going, yeah, yeah, what the hell's going on with.

I think New York is due for a little socialist wake up call.

Oh yeah, they'll wake up these things.

They're gonna have 5,000 police officers have threatened to resign.

Don't you think? New York.

That's true. Is that true? Find out that number's true. Because here's the problem with those kind of things. It's like right wing people post stuff like that and you're like, is that real? You know, are they really gonna defund the police? Are they really gonna, you know.

I am buying a house.

Are you in Texas?

Yep.

Yeehaw.

Yeah. Like about 30, 40 minutes from here.

Nice. You're already locked on it?

No, but I'm shopping for houses on Wednesday. Oh.

Tomorrow. I got a good lady if you need. If you need one. She's the best.

I have a chick who's pretty good. She's like the number one in Arizona. She's.

Arizona's not Texas.

I know, but she has all these contacts also. I just know her.

Okay.

So that.

Okay. It's good to be loyal. Yeah.

And she found a bunch of good stuff. Yeah. About 40 minutes from here.

Well, that's good too. 40 minutes from here. Out like tripping Springs area. It's quiet.

That's what I want.

I want at night, you hear, I.

Want to go to a lake. You know, be able to like. I'm kind of in this kind of LA thing and this I'm. I could be guilty of. Of being a victim of like what I'm absorbing in my algorithm. But like Gavin Newsom scares the out of me and I'm. I'm. I don't want to be a part of it.

Yeah. He wants to run the whole country too. Wild. Pretty wild.

And those fires were quite a wake up call for even if you know, whatever you believe about the fires, the way it was dealt with was pretty scary.

It was not competent, that's for sure.

Even the aftermath.

Yeah. And was not competent. The. The conversations about talking to different developers about doing stuff with the land. And that's what I'm talking. Like, what do you.

Well, we'll make a smart town. You're like, that's kind of what the conspiracy people were saying before this stuff happened.

See, when he's doing a little dance.

I know.

In front of burnt houses like that is. Are you a sociopath? Because that's how sociopaths behave. They're not like totally broken up by the fact that a giant chunk of your city burnt to the ground. Did 5,000 piece people resign? I don't think they say they threatened to resign. There's no credible evidence of 5,000 peace officers resigned. Okay. Why don't you say did they threaten to resign?

I did when I typed it in Google and I got the same answers.

Oh, okay. In perplexity, it says, Did 5,000 people resign? No. What actually happened? Official data and statements from NYPD representatives confirmed there has been no mass walkout, while police union leaders and some critics have warned of potential wave of resignations or feared attrition. See, that was the thing. Social media posts alleging 5,000 officer. I didn't see any that said resign. I said I saw something that said are threatening to resign. Go back to where I was reading once. Have been debunked as rumors or satire. NYPD has about 30,000, 33,745 uniform officers as of late 2025, with staffing down only slightly from the previous year. So it's like, maybe it's one of those things where someone talked to some people and they said, I know a lot of guys, a lot of guys are threatening to resign.

I mean, that's a serious thing to talk about anyways, whether it's true or not on the numbers. Like, it's not a fun time to be a police officer for the last, like, pre Black Lives Matter. I know a lot of cops just in my life. I used to perform once a year for their, like, Christmas thing at the lapd. Great audience members. You want to talk about good audience members. Police, military, nurses, anyone who deals with real life. Very good audience members.

They could take a joke. Yeah.

Oh, great. Taking jokes. And they need to see the humor in life. You know, like they're like, they're looking for a clown to laugh at because they deal with real. But that aside, in the last eight years, when cops tell me they're cops, it shows. It's like, hey, you know, I'm, I'm a like. And I'm like, what's with this embarrassment? Like, why are you. Why do you feel like you need to be like an undercover police officer when you're like, whisper it. Yeah. Why we. I like cops. I think that they're great. They have to go into someone's worst day of their life every day. Anytime you've ever had to call a cop. It's not a great day. It's not a great thing that's happening. And they have to enter someone's worst day every 15 minutes or every hour. And I have a tremendous amount of respect for people that do that. And they feel, they feel ashamed to be a cop because they've been vaguely blanketed as like, oppressors or racist or some sort of power hungry, bad Guys. And that's probably a little worse in NYPD right now as far as being in the city with what's going on.

So I imagine there's a lot of people who are threatening. Same way whenever someone's president isn't the president they want, they go, I'm going to move. They make those kind of threats.

Do move.

Yeah, some people do. A lot of rich guys are really getting out. I respect Rosie Nolan for that. Don't you respect that every celebrity says they're gonna leave? Well, it's dumb that they left because now they just can't vote. And now that you're living in Ireland. But at least they said what they were gonna do.

You live in England and then your neighbors in England don't like you either.

Because they're like, yeah, exactly. That's true. But at least they left to a.

New place in England.

Hundreds of celebrities said they would leave and didn't.

That's true. Yeah. There's always a lot of that. A lot of people said they're going to move to Canada. Great. Good luck with that.

But now you're just America light.

Well, you're America communist now. Canada's nuts.

But now you, like, still reliant on America.

I know Sat that I wanted to look up that I just read. I put this into perplexity. One out of 20 deaths last year. I read this article that was saying was assisted suicide. That can't be true. That can't be true.

Where'd you see it?

Because Keno, Canada has an assisted suicide program. A national assisted suicide program. Yeah.

Could you imagine if there's some corruption in that?

Holy crap. There's corruption in everything, Jeff. Everything. There's corruption of religion. Right. There's corruption in science. There's corruption in medicine, which becomes a.

Great excuse to not be a part of those things, you know? Oh, I won't even question if I was if I have a creator. Because there's fouled people in the church. You're like, that's so stupid.

Well, yeah, it's accurate for Canada.

Wow.

In America just yet. Canada.

Yeah.

Put. Let me see this.

Still a lot in it.

Put those show the perplexity. Look at this. This is crazy. Medical assistance in dying, known as maid, also as known as assisted suicide or euthanasia, accounted for approximately 4.7% of all deaths in Canada.

That's wild.

That is so crazy.

How do we get more specific? Like, what would be an example of like.

We'll read into it. This proportion is equivalent to about 1 in 20 deaths across the country. That is so fucking insane. 1 out of 20 people who die in Canada are getting assisted suicide. How many of those fucking people you could have given mushrooms to? They could have had an ibogaine journey. Maybe they could have have done something differently with their life to get them out of depression. How many of them have. Could, could have gotten alternative medical treatments that have dealt with their condition. So what are the conditions? Is it, did you put that in there? Average age of them is 70, 77.

So they're old.

Yeah, that is old. But however, you know, my mom's 80, she's great. You know, like what, what's going on? Yeah, like what, what is it? Are you not into the most just because you're 77? Are you not enjoying life? Or is it, is it 1 out of 20 people are dying of a terminal illness and I am being short sighted because I'm not think I'm there like going to die soon anyway. They choose to die on their own. Is that the case?

Track one is natural death is reasonably foreseeable. And track two is not reasonably for natural death.

Right. So track two recipients. This is where it gets weird because some of them were chronically obese, some of them were chronically depressed. They were doing it for people that don't really have a disease. So what are the parameters? Let's put this. Ask a follow up. What do you have to have wrong with you to qualified for MAID in Canada? Just ask that.

How do you qualify?

Because if it's just you're depressed, that's scary, that's crazy.

Right? And then very irresponsible. If you have cancer and they're trying to just like I'm done with my fight, please help me. Right is what track one is. That's on my track two.

Be at least 18 years old and capable of making health care decisions. Be eligible for publicly funded health service. Okay. That's normal. Voluntary request informed consent. Have a serious and incurable illness, disease or disability causing enduring and intolerable suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions acceptable to the person. But that's the key word, the key phrase there. Acceptable to the person is interesting. Be in an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability. Okay, Are people with depression. Just write severe. Are people with severe depression eligible for maid? Write that. Severe depression. Because a lot of people would say that is an incurable disease. Where would we be without the red squiggly line? I don't know how to spell anything.

I can't spell anything ever. I never have been.

Jamie, you're rolling the dice with eligible. You're an animal.

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In Canada, people whose sole underlying medical condition is severe depression or any other mental illness eligible for medical assistance in dying. This temporary exclusion includes psychiatric conditions like depression and personality disorders. The law excludes eligibility for maid on the basis of mental illness alone in March 17, 2027. However, people with mental illnesses may be eligible if they have a grievous. Grievous. Grievous or irremediable. Boy, that's a word. Have you ever said that word? Irremediable? Irremediable. I've never said that word, physical, but I've never even seen that Irremediable physical health condition that meets maids criteria. The government has delayed eligibility expansion for mental illness due to concerns around safety and appropriate safeguards. When maid for mental illness becomes leap. Becomes legal. They say it like it will.

27Th March.

Oh, okay. That's what I'd read. Okay. This was the issue that. So they were going to. Okay. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone until March 17, 2027. So there's a year and a few months and then these people are eligible for this. As of 25. Severe depression alone does not qualify. So what it seems like is a lot of people that are just not doing well, it's the end of their life. And they're like, I'd like to go out on my own terms. I don't want to just walk into a library with a 44 and make people clean up.

Or they go, I'm a financial burden on my family.

Right.

Or those kind of things.

Yeah.

When you're an old person, you feel a little guilt that like my kids.

That's true. And also sometimes people, like, one of their loved ones dies and they don't want to be alone. They can't. They've been with this person for 45 years.

My dad just died and my mom is not doing great with. She's been with him since she was 17.

It's very hard. My grandfather died one year after my grandmother died, and he was fine up until then. And it was just like the grief was just intolerable.

Yeah. And she's feeling a lot of guilt because he was kind of cognitively. I don't know. I don't know how to say it politely. He was just kind of not himself for the last, like, year. And so when he passed, my mom did feel a little relief. Like, you know, I'm kind of his caretaker.

Right.

Right. And so then feel guilt about the. About the relief, you know? You know, I don't want to feel relieved that someone that I'm. That I've known my whole life is gone, and then now trying to mourn that. You know, it's very, very complicated.

And it's real hard when someone has dementia or Alzheimer's or anything along those lines.

The patience that these people have to work with dementia and those kind of. Even an eating disorder is. Is, you know, you can't really communicate it to the person when they have this body dysmorphia or these. Like it's something as simple as that.

Yeah.

Those people are saints that can work with absolutely anybody cognitively or, like, any kind of, like, dysphoria. Like, that's. That's. I mean, I. Those are heroes to me because I don't have the patience for it. I'm very, like, direct. I'm very, like, want to have a good time. Like, I'm not good at being like, how. Don't you see this?

Apparently some really promising treatments for dementia and Alzheimer's. One of them, one of those dementia or Alzheimer's was the supplement of supplementation with selenium. See if you can find what that is. That's one of those things I glanced at quickly, and I was like, I better remember.

I probably shouldn't say this on here, but there's a beautiful, great woman named Lydia who I've been hanging out with, and her mom was. Had some sort of dementia or something like this, and she gave. Their family had a real long debate about what the doctor recommended. It was shock therapy. And it worked.

Really?

It works for now, I guess, like, at least, like, they're all going, wait, now she's saying, didn't you just come over last week? And we talked about that? Like, she's having things like. I. That's why I'm saying. I don't know if I should say it on here, because there was a positive outcome of the shock therapy.

Yeah. It's funny because someone just sent me a link to a documentary on shock therapy that it was a negative thing. Can you believe they're still doing shock therapy?

Right?

And I said, I don't know much about that.

Yeah.

You know, the only shock therapy I've ever heard was like, you hear about the horror stories. I don't know.

Right.

One Flew over the Cuckoo Snacks.

Those are lobotomies, though.

Yeah. I think that was a shock therapy thing.

I thought those were lobotomies.

Well, might be.

It might be those We've all agreed. Although, dude, they were doing them long after they were out. Yeah. Because those guys wanted money.

Like, I think it was, like, the year I was born or the year before I was born, they stopped doing them.

I heard all these stories about there would be, like, people who would still, you know, on the fringes of it because they didn't want to, like, shut down their practice. So they'd be like, hey, you know, we'll still give it to you. These.

This, an abortion.

Yeah. And they would be like, this authoritarian government's not even letting people have lobotomies. But we'll still do it. I'm the doctor that'll still do it.

Lobotomy, is it.

Am I saying, dude, you know what? For. For a big part of my life, I thought it was Sarah Bell's palsy.

Hold on. What did you just say the movie was?

Shock therapy?

Yeah, it was.

And the Sarah Bell's.

Pause.

Yes. We're watching this game or something, and the guy looked crazy, and I go, looks like he's got Sarah Bell's palsy, my friend. No one laughed. No one left. Which is a good comedy note is that if you say a thing wrong or it's a false premise or something, no one's on board with it.

But if you say it around comedians.

Well, I said around a bunch of people watching football. I got. Looks like he's got a Sarah Bell's palsy. And everyone just looked at me. And then my friend Katie's like, did you say Sarah Bell's? And I was like, wasn't that what it is? She's like, cerebral palsy. And I was like, I don't know.

I've never seen the movie, so I don't know how it ended. It says they discovered at the end he had been lobotomized.

Right.

The big chief guy was lobotomized.

That's the part of the movie.

The big boy. Yeah.

Oh, so he was lobotomized. But was Jack Nicholson supposedly lobotomized as well?

They were just in a cuckoo house.

Yeah, but at the end.

Shock therapy here, right?

They did shock therapy, but remember at the end he was, like, totally docile. Maybe they were letting you know he got lobotomized too. Probably. They did that forever. When did they stop doing lobotomies? Wasn't it, like, 67?

Please. Lombotomy lobotomies.

When they stopped doing lobotomies.

This is a thing I.

What year was it?

I love to talk about plenty of things. I know. And don't know about, you know, it's fun.

Yeah. The one doctor did almost all of them. He did one third of them.

That's a lot.

How many did he do?

How rich was he? Let's say. Let's say. What was his net worth?

He had a nice.

I bet he had a huge.

One third of his 3,500 lobotomies performed were successful and 490 resulted in fatalities.

Wait, hold on.

He killed 490 people? Success.

Which ones were successful? Perfect. What does that mean?

Billy just drools now. He doesn't the dog.

He's not annoying us with his.

What?

You know, undiagnosed autism. Now he's like. Now he just sits there. It's not successful.

Hey, he doesn't the dog anymore. It's a success.

Yes.

That's the guy. Oh, that creepy looking psycho.

Oh my God.

Jesus Christ. That's how they did it. They went right through the eyeball.

I thought they went through the nose.

No, they go through the Netherwood.

They could do both probably. There's one.

Oh, there's the nose. That's the one.

I knew they do both ways. Through the nose, through the eyeball. God damn it. And in the end, look, he's happy.

Oh, I thought he's giving a thumbs up. I thought he was going, hell yeah. I'm like, I feel great.

Imagine if they just scrambled it a little. So it's like you're just on ecstasy all day. We. I love everybody.

I will say, the first time I did mushrooms, I was like. Because my buddy's like, the cool thing about mushrooms is that you don't want. It's not like cocaine or, or e or anything. You're not going to. You're not going to become like addicted to mushrooms. You're going to want to do mushrooms every day. And then the second I did mushrooms, I was sitting in the chair and I was like, you guys were wrong. And they're like, what? I go, I just want to feel like this all the time. Like, like you lost your mind. Like, this is the. This is the right state of being for me. Like, it's the best.

It should be legal.

It's the best drug.

It's better at making people better people than anything.

Yes. All I wanted to do and still since then is like, let's just talk and connect and like, let's find a way to be nice. Yeah, let's be good. Let's be nice to each other.

Nobel Prize for the.

Not the same doctor, but okay, wait Nobel Prize that make people go ahead and get it right. So they started getting him in 35 and then 49. Dr. Moniz won the Nobel Prize for it. And so Dr. Freeman was the guy who did one third of them.

Yeah, he made it a 10 minute procedure.

Nice.

In and out. Nice. You got an appointment at noon, coming at 11. I'll be drooling in the parking lot at 11:35.

It's like a chiropractor. Just come in, we'll get the.

Yeah, we'll snap fast.

Dude, you'll be at Chipotle in no time.

I keep reading stories about people that get paralyzed forever because of chiropractors.

Oh really?

There's been a ton of those stories.

Do you ever go to them? You're a body guy and that's it?

No, I don't go to them anymore. I went to them back in the day before I read up on how chiropractors learn. You know when they say I'm a doctor, they don't go to medical school for three seconds.

That's why I hate all those arguments of authority. You're not a scientist. You're not. It's like. Well, neither they kinda.

But like something invented by a magnetic healer who was a kook who learned about it in a seance. He was a complete kook. And then he was killed by his son who was a con man. His son ran him over with a car. And then his son took over the business and then it got grandfathered in. Then he won an oblp, but he got grandfathered in. But here's the thing. Manipulating the body in a positive way, like adjusting you, has some benefits. Deep tissue massage has a lot of benefits, like manipulating tissue. I get a trigger point massage, really painful, but it's very effective. There's real benefits to it. So there's things that chiropractors do that do have like a real beneficial effect on your body being able to recover. But the claims, at least in the beginning, are nuts. The initial claims, it's gonna cure leukemia, thyroid cancer, just gonna adjust your back. It's a C4, C5 disconnection pop. And then they grab you and yank your neck.

And so scary.

And sometimes people have fucking hemorrhages from these things because they violently yank your neck and a blood vessel pops, you have a fucking stroke. And that's not happened just once. You. It's happened a bunch of times.

I grew up playing video games too, where I. And watching all these action movies, you know, And I thought that just twisting a guy's head, like, you know, like, you kill him. You think that's all it took? You know, like, I snuck up behind that guy in the video game and just. That's all I did.

Meanwhile, chiropractors, he's doing all the.

All day. Do it.

You ever seen him do it to babies?

No.

Oh, my God, it's so crazy. People that are, like, full on nuts have their babies brought to a chiropractor. And the chiropractor is adjusting the baby's skull and moving the baby.

Your parental ideas of, like, they're all scrapped. Like, you're supposed to keep it safe. The idea of handing into a chiropractor.

They believe it, and so they think they're doing a good thing.

Jamie, am I allowed to ask Jamie to bring things? Yeah, fuck you, Jamie. Can you bring up some dog? Chiropractors? Yeah. And the dogs look at the chiropractor, like, what'd you just do? But also, I do feel a little bit better. The dog's so sweet about it. Like, I think I'm good, actually.

You got to get the right dog.

A lot of pit bulls, because they're all strong and shit, and so, like, they'll just. Yeah, I've seen, like, montages of it, and it's pretty adorable.

Why is he gonna do this dog's neck. Please don't. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

And look at the dog looking up at him.

I don't think you need to do that to that dog. I don't think that's necessary.

Watch this look, the way he looks at him.

But here's the thing. Like, what studies are they showing where this is all good. That's a Belgian Malinois, bro.

That thing might hear it, but it goes.

I don't want to hear it. It's. I don't know. I don't know if that does anything. I don't know if that's good. I think if you got your dog a massage, it would be really good for them. But I think all that snapping and the popping, like, are you loosening it up and making it more mobile? Well, if that's the case, you can do that with spinal decompression and massage. I have this thing.

I've been doing it to my friends dogs, and they've been loving it.

I put this thing on my neck. I'm like, don't do that. You're gonna get a bit. I put this thing on my head. It goes underneath my chin. It's got, like, a rope.

Oh, yeah.

A hoop that hangs on my Chin up bar. And I just.

I've seen them advertise it because you use it.

Oh, there you go. Look at this. He's giving his dog a back crack.

Oh, bro, that's the camel's clutch.

Dude, that dog is sweet. He's letting you do your nonsense.

Dude, this guy.

Dogs just love getting rubbed.

That's all it is. Yeah, that's all. Petting is kind of a massage, you.

Know, that's what they love. They love massages. They don't have to pretend they don't. You love massages, too.

We don't have to ask them about that. They like it.

If we were like, dogs, everybody would just lie down on the floor and let people rub them.

Yeah, it'd be fine.

You come over my house, dude, Marshall will lie down immediately and let you rub them.

That's my favorite thing about dogs.

He assumes you want to rub his belly.

Yeah, dogs don't go. This guy's probably a. Who do you vote for? The dog? Dogs aren't ever, like, worried. My dog go up to, like, a homeless. They don't care what's up, homeless guy? Yeah, it's like, he loves them.

Yeah, they're. They're the best. We don't deserve them. But I don't think they should go to a chiropractor. But the people that think that you should bring your doctor, it's because they believe in the chiropractors. There's a great article called Chiropractors are. Pull that article up. The lady who wrote it was on the podcast, and she. I read the article, and then I had her explain it to me. Yeah, it was back in la, and I was like, oh, this is a nutty thing. I thought they were doctors. Yeah, they were.

Actually. I went to one of those ones. It's called the joint. And, you know, you can just, like, you can just walk in and they'll do it. And this is. I think a lot of it for me was placebo. Like, I just thought, like, oh, they told me this is good for me, so I'm doing it. You know, I wasn't having pain or anything.

Eve Detrament is the lady who was on the podcast that wrote this article. But it's. It's crazy.

I like the title.

It's a crazy story.

Very direct.

When you read the story of how it was invented, you're like, this is nuts. Because it's one of those things. It's just grandfathered in. And if you're allowed to be Doctor. Like, we should be Doctors of Comedy. Would you like to be Dr. Jeff?

Jeff, MD. Dude?

Yeah.

Oh, wait, not MD.

What would it be? You're giving people laughter, which is the best medicine.

Sure.

So I think we should get Doctors of Comedy. Maybe we should do that, like at the Mothership. Just start handing out doctorate comedy.

That's how you get past kind of.

You get you headline, you do your first theater tour, I'll give you a doctorate.

I worked under Ron White and then I got my.

I mentored under Ron White. Exactly. Ron White was patient zero here, cuz Ron moved out here before the pandemic.

Really?

Yeah. He's the reason why I decided to move out here, cuz, you know, Ron and I have been real close forever. And knowing him from the Comedy Store, he was always like one of the coolest guys to hang out with. He's the best. And so we were hanging out in the back bar and he was telling me he's moving to Texas. I go, what? What are you doing? You're here. Don't go, this is nuts. He's like, oh, it's the best. He goes, I'll keep my house out here in Beverly Hills, but this fucking place, it's. The food's the best, the people are nice. If I want to fly, I'm in the middle, right. It's three hours here. Three hours. And I was like, damn, he's got a good point. So when the shit started getting weird in LA and they were burning cop cars on the freeway, that's when daddy was like, I gotta get out of here.

Yeah.

You know, because so my kids are little, you know, 10 and 12 at the time, the little ones. And I was like, this is dangerous. And we all agreed, like, it just doesn't feel right. I don't feel like they're gonna open this up. I think this is bullshit. Said, let's get the out of here.

It's not like you're an actor.

Exactly. Right, exactly.

I was like, you acted, but you weren't an actor.

I wasn't interested in doing it anymore. And we were flying a lot of the guests out anyway, and I was like, I'll figure it out. I'll do Zoom Calls. I don't want to do this anymore.

Right.

I don't want to live here. I want to live my life. I'd be happy making less money and, and doing it somewhere else. And maybe it's not as good.

Have you thought about making other motherships as we did?

We have. We've talked about where we talked about New York, we've talked about Vegas.

What about Florida?

We've talked. Here's the thing. To do it correct. I mean, this is just like based on what we've done in Austin, right? What we did in Austin is a once in a lifetime opportunity where we hit every green light, every green light along the way. We got in the right spot. So, like, the only way this club happens, first of all, is I'm friends with Adam Eget, and I've been friends with Adam Eget from back when he was. He was running the improv in Tempe. So that's when I knew him. I knew him from back then. And then he came to California and he started working at the Comedy Store when I had already been banned. So I had been banned and I had gone on my seven year exodus and he came to meet me at the improv.

They showed you, by the way, what comedy started banning you. They really showed you.

So he came to meet me at the improv. He's like, dude, come back. It's, you know, I'm there now. I'm the talent coordinator. And I thought about it and then I wound up coming back because of Ari, because, you know, Ari Shafir is one of my closest friends and he was filming his special there. And I had known Ari since he was a doorman. I knew him when he was a doorman there, and now he's filming a special. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I have to be there. I have to be there for him. And I went there a day before just so I could relax because it was weird because I hadn't been there in seven years. And, you know, it was super friendly, hugged everybody. It was great. And then, and then I saw Ari and Ari killed. And the special was awesome. And it was just such a. It was such a happy moment to see him, like, accomplish this thing. Going from being a doorman to having your own Comedy Central special while he was also doing a show on Comedy Central. That's what he's doing. This is not happening.

Yeah, I was on that.

So it was like I had to come back. So that. That was 2014 and becoming really good friends with Adam and knowing him from the improv, like, knowing him from back in the day, and then becoming friends with him when he was the Cal coordinator. We had talked about, like, what are the problems with running a club? Like, what is the problems with, like, people telling you, oh, you have to have more this on your show or more that on your show or you're problematic and people getting mad about this, mad about that. I'm like, it's gotta be a meritocracy. As much as that bothers some people, the people that bothers, they're never good. David Tell's never complaining about diversity. You know what I'm saying? It's like, the people that are complaining, generally, they're mediocre at best. And he was like, you're right. I go, but you can't give in to them because there's a lot of them, and they yell, and they make it seem like it's a big deal. But the big deal is laughs, doing good comedy, having an original idea, being funny. Here's the world through my eyes. This is how I've crafted it for you.

That's all it is. Everything else is a fucking distraction. And we both agreed on that. And so wouldn't the Comedy Store shut down? And then I moved out here. There was a. Like, a long time where I was like, I don't know what to do. Like, do I stop doing comedy now and just do this podcast? Like, no one's doing comedy. It was months and months of no comedy. And then Dave and I started doing shows at Stubbs. So Dave was like, I want to do a show at Stubbs. Let's do, like, a residency there. I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's do it. So he and I did, like, we had done a ton of shows, a bunch of arena shows before the pandemic together. And so the Stubbs thing came along, and I was like, okay, yeah, let's just do this. All right, we're doing this now, and I guess we're doing comedy again. And then we started doing comedy at the Vulcan. And the Vulcan is indoor, and it's loud and it's rowdy, and it was naughty. Like, it was crazy. You doing a November 2020 indoor show, punk rock. And so when that was happening, then everybody started moving here.

Then everything. Then everything got weird. And I was like, whoa. We got like, Tom Segura moved here. Duncan Trussell moved here. Tony Hinchcliffe moved here. Brian Simpson moved here. I was like, whoa, we got a crew here. Derek Poston moved here. San Ahmad moved here. I'm like, we got a real crew here. And then it just kept escalating. Tim Dillon came. It was like, over and over again. Joe derosa came. Shane Gillis came. It was like. And so while all this was happening, where all these guys were at least talking about moving there, like, it feels better here. Like, the Scene feels more alive because the LA was still shut down. And so then Ron White basically, like, grabbed me by the shoulders one night after he hadn't done stand up in, like, six months. And he grabs me, goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're gonna keep doing this. You gotta open up a club. I'm like, we're gonna open up a club. Let's go. And then that's how it all started. But we had to hit every light. Like, Adam had to be out of a job. All the people that we got from the Comedy Store that were great, we brought over a bunch of people, they all had to be out of a job.

So the Comedy Store had to be closed. Otherwise, why would you leave the Comedy Store? It's the greatest place on Earth.

Yeah.

So then it was like everything else had to be closed down. So the comics knew that they could do stand up in Texas. And so, like, well, let's just go to Texas. And it just. People decided, I like doing stand up more than I like living in la.

Yeah.

And then once they came out here, they realized, I think I like it out here better.

It is. It's amazing. We've got. Also, my favorite thing about the scene here is the mothership helps everything around as well. So I can't get over every time that I've been here, how inviting, how cool all the young comics are. All these guys who would chew off their arm to get a spot at your club are here for it. And they're here at these other places. They're doing all these other things because they believe in what the mothership's doing. And there's all this other stuff. So it has the most buzz as far. Not buzz. That's a stupid word. It has the. It has a feeling. It has, like, this vibe. It has this aura. Whereas, like, that used to be in New York and that used to be in la, and I don't feel it in those places anymore. I'm actually lucky that I can go do the Cellar and I can go do this Dan, and I can do those things. I can go to the Comedy Store. I go to the Improv. I'm at a place where they'll have me. Me. But there's not, like, a bunch of young guys doing small shows and excited at the idea of even going over to the store after their spots.

Your club has that.

Well, there's a couple things it has an advantage of. Right. One is kill Tony. That's the big advantage. The big advantage of there's a show that's Monday night. That is the biggest live comedy show on planet Earth. And you might be able to get on it. And if you've got a tight minute and you could fucking kill, they're going to ask you back. And if you got another tight man, oh my God, you might have a fucking career. You might have a fucking career. And that's happened time and time again. Like Cam Patterson is on SNL right now. And that came straight out of Kill Tony 100. And, you know, and Cam is super fucking talented, but so is Hans Kim, so is a lot of William Montgomery. There's a lot of people coming out of there that, that do great. And they, they have a real career now. Ari Matty has a real career now. It's amazing. Casey Rocket. It's an amazing resource, 100%. So that's the big one, is that there's a real pathway and then there's also two nights of open mic night. Two nights. So we make sure we have plenty of open mic night time.

You get to do an open mic night. The best club in the world. And then on top of that, it's like the club is the only club that I know of that was designed not to make money. All I wanted to do is break even. Like, I just don't want to lose any money, you know, because it's so much money to make a club and build it in the first place. You have to buy a building, you have to hire all these people to fix it. And turns it's a lot of money invested. I'm like, I just want to lose a lot of money.

Which is why a lot of owners have terrible reputations because they do all these corner cutting or they do like the.

They're trying to you over.

Yeah. And so. Yeah, but they're also desperate in a way. Like these guys, they'll, you know, I, I like club owners, but there's a lot of crazy club owners and they, they feel that pressure of like, I got to keep this alive. I don't want to keep losing money.

I used to tell comics, be nice to club owners because you don't want to be one. You do not want to be. I went and became one.

Well, but still. But you're doing it honorably.

I the way I'm lucky that I have the other ways of making a living. Right. Most club owners, they're club owner by definition. That's what they do for a job. This is not what I do for a job. This is just. I do this for literally to make a comedy Environment. So the club is set up so the comedians get most of the money because that's how it should be.

That's great.

People aren't coming to see drinks.

Right.

They're coming to see a guy do his art. A woman do her art on stage.

Yep.

So that person should get most of the money. And that's how it should be. And it should be that way because it's the right way to do it. And because it builds the art form, you have more people making money. So they don't have to leave as much. They don't have to go out of town as much. They can stay in town and develop and work on new stuff. And there's all these satellite rooms. There's the Sunset Strip. That's right down the street from us. You could walk there in three minutes. That's red bands club clubs. Killing Creek in the Keg is an awesome spot. That's where Gillis filmed his first YouTube special.

He filmed it too.

Yeah. It's amazing. It's a great club. That's another club. We did a lot during the Pandemic. And then you've got all these other clubs. Cap City's a great club that's just 20 minutes away. They're all. There's a bunch of these satellite rooms all around this place that are killing it right now.

Yeah.

Because comedy is a fun thing to do. It's. And people love it, you know. And we can do it in a way where it's not connected to fucking Hollywood. It's not connected to movies. It's not connected to tv. It's an art form in and of itself that had been prostituted out for so long that people thought like the golden goose was be a late night talk show host. That was the golden goose. A job that I wouldn't. There's no fucking way. If they doubled my money, I'd be like, I'm not doing that. I can't do it. It's not me.

Right. When it's also not really stand up. So many times like people like, so do you want to like, is it. Are you doing this because of like you want to be a movie stars? I was like, no, I'm doing it because I love stand up comedy. Yeah. I just watched the starting five of. It's called Starting five on Netflix. But they follow NBA players and the annoying part is like their wives and girlfriends. I think that's the annoying part. Like I want to hear them talk about basketball. Like the thing they love.

Right.

That inspires me because I Look at the way I pursue comedy, the way they pursue their basketball, you know, like their career. So anyways. But what I was inspired by was like, Kevin Durant, who I thought I hated my whole life, was awesome. He just wants to play basketball. Like, that's all it is for him. He's like, yeah, I'm. I just want to go out there and hoop. And he keeps going to that thing of like, man, I don't want to have these arguments in barbershops about the greatest ever or any of those things. He makes money, but it's not about the money for him, and it's not about the chicks. Those are all symptoms of what he pursues. And I love that. Cause I'm like, yeah, I just love the joke part. I love that I can write a bit. And then that night try it. And people love it. Or they go, what an interesting idea. Or that's funny, or that's naughty, or that's. I've never thought of it like that. You know, when you're campaigning on a political trail or whatever, like when you go to, like, the Trump rally or when.

I don't know what Kamala Harris called her thing. But those aren't undecided voters. Those are people who are there because they're already in. You're not even talking to anyone who's considering voting for anyone else when you go to a thing like that. But with stand up comedy, when they're in that audience, they're just looking at you and going, hey, bro, bring me some jokes.

Yeah.

And so I can now do jokes about what I think and what I believe. And the crowd will listen to me and decide if I'm not funny or funny. But you're getting into their ear. You're getting into them going, I've never thought of it like that. That guy was making some pretty good jokes up there about a subject that I thought I wouldn't hear. You know, like, it's just like, I think comedy is such a gift that way. But I was like. I was like, I think I'm like Kevin Durant. I like the girls and I like the money. And I like, I love all that stuff. But for me, I did a spot here. I can't remember what it was. And they were like, dude, we can't thank you enough for coming. And I was like, what are you talking about? Like, I get up on any fucking stage and he tried to slide me money. I go give it to the other guys. Like, I came to do this because I was happy you'd have me on like, I just couldn't.

That's a great attitude.

Yeah, it's so much better to do.

Much better.

Tell jokes.

Yeah.

I don't need to be famous. That would be a good symptom. That'd be a great symptom of it. But like, it also comes with its own problems, you know, all those other stuff.

Yeah, all those stuff. But that's the best attitude, is just love what you do. Love what you do. And all the success comes because of it. But the moment you start thinking about the success only and then making decisions based only on getting and attaining more success instead of thinking about the thing.

Yeah. You know, and that's what they do. They seduce you. They go, want to be in this movie? Want to be hyenas, like you were saying.

They circle.

But I don't want to be an actor. And thank you for the opportunity. And I love that you believe you can make some money off me by putting me in that. But for me, walking my ass into a place that has a stage and a microphone and being able to be naughty and say anything I'd like and make jokes is so exciting to me. If they put a billion dollars in my bank account tomorrow, I'll still go do my spot tonight at the mothership in Fat Man. And if tomorrow they said, Jeff, you make $0 doing this, I want to find a day job, I'll go, okay. But I'm still doing my spot. Right? Like, I'm still gonna do it no matter what. Yeah. I just love it.

Yeah. I would do it forever. It's the most fun art form.

Yeah.

You know, and the fact that we're fortunate enough to be able to do it and make money doing it is incredible. You should be happy.

Yeah.

If you're complaining, you're missing out.

Oh, dude. I won't say this comics name because, you know, I just don't want any trouble with this guy. But I remember I was at a festival and. And I'm more criticizing his attitude on that night. We're in the green room and they were like so excited to have him because he's a very funny guy and very talented. And they said, they go, so how much time do you want to do? He was like, how much time am I contracted to do? And they were like, oh, well, you know, you. Your books were 45 minutes. But I was just letting you know you're the end of the show and everyone's here to see you, so just do whatever you want. He goes, then I'm doing the 45 minutes. And I remember thinking, the fuck is wrong with you? Like, they're happy you're here. Everyone is excited.

Yeah.

Just. If you tell me that, bro, I'm on stage for 2 hours, 45 minutes. Good. But I'm gonna stay up there, you know, because I like there.

Yes.

Boom. Oh, it's not. You're not pouring concrete, dude. Like, you get to go tell jokes to these people, like, what an exciting job you have. That's exciting.

I think where that comes from is, like, in the beginning, it's, like, really hard. It's hard to do. It's hard to get paid. It's hard. And then you build up a resentment to the point where even after you make it, you take it for granted. And now you think, like, what do I have to do? 44 minutes? And that's what I'm doing.

Crazy.

Yeah, you like, Instead of, like, wow, I made it. I actually. I could actually get paid to go do comedy now. A good 45 minutes. Not important. Okay. I'll go fuck around, have some fun.

That's exactly like. That's. So I've worked at Hollywood Video. I've worked at any coffee shop that was like. I've had over, like, 40 different coffee jobs because I just couldn't keep a job. Like, I was always living somewhere different or, like, pursuing comedy so aggressively that, like, I just needed a job, so I was good at getting the job. And then I would fuck off or do something stupid, and I'd get, like, let go or I'd move and just ghost that job, you know, I've had all these jobs, but whether it was Hollywood Video or Rock Bottom Brewery or whether it was any of these million coffee shops I worked at, I was always the fun guy at the job that made friends with everyone and goofed off. Because it's more fun to have a good attitude at work and like the job than it is to hate the job.

Right?

Because. Not because the job was great, but because it's gonna be a better experience here if I like it, if I at least trick myself into liking it. There's not. It wasn't my dream to put movies in alphabetical order with dyslexia in a Hollywood video. But I want to enjoy my job. Like, that was more fun to, like, be happy to be there. So now we get to do comedy, which is the dream. And you're. You have that attitude. Like, I just can't get my mind around that.

Well, there's some people that think they have to be miserable to Be good. There's a weird thing that I think some artists feel like they have to kind of suffer in order to be funny. Like, they have to be upset. They have to be angry. I used to think that when I was. When I was. I was really young and dumb, I was thinking that maybe, like, I should stop meditating, because if I meditate and achieve any kind of enlightenment, I won't think. I don't think things are so annoying anymore that I could shit on them on stage, which is like a big part of my act.

Yeah, you didn't want to be happy because you would find.

Yeah, yeah. But that was me at 21 or whatever.

Yeah. Well, Jerry Seinfeld, who's one of my favorites ever, despite any of his political beliefs or any of those things. Like, I really, really respect every time Jerry Seinfeld talks on podcasts or interviews or whatever, because he's like Buddha of comedy. Like, the way he talks about work ethic and the way he talks about joke writing, the way he's very disciplined. He's very good. So I always hang on everything Jerry says. Like, in those things, I think he's the best. Look up anytime he's been interviewed. But Jerry, although he's clean. Right. He's a clean comic. And although he's a husband and a dad and no matter what he's labeled as, he seems to be very at peace in his life and very successful and rich, he does have this edge to him. There still is, like, an irritability. And I think that's probably what you were thinking at 21 of, like, I need that. I need to be. But you could.

Well, he's also smart, and he's talking to morons all the time, and that's how you get an edge like that. Yeah. Probably doesn't have, like, a tight crew of cool people that he could just chill with. Right. You get alienated, smarter than kids.

Right.

But you also. You got. You made a billion dollars from a sitcom you did in the 90s. Never have to work again for a day in your fucking life. You have a hundred Porsches. You're just collecting portions. You're bored as fuck. And then morons want to say, you want. My favorite episode was like, I don't fucking care.

That.

Yeah, I don't want to hear this anymore.

I'm sure you get that all the time. Someone wants to tell you a story about a thing, and you go, I don't know.

Well, I think I'm a little more tolerant than him.

Yeah. Yeah.

But he's I get it. I get why he would be a little prickly. Like, some of the questions are really fucking stupid. Like, for sure, there was a big racism controversy about his show.

Right.

Comedians in cars, drinking coffee.

Which is why I'm surprised he wasn't. He's not more vocal about that. But he did a great thing.

Like, he's like, I don't care. Speak the language of funny. If you're funny, I don't care what you are. Which is the right answer. And a lot of people like, oh, that sounds racist.

No, it's a great answer.

This is crazy. If that's racist. This is. You're expecting something that you're not going to get, which you're expecting people to abandon meritocracy in the most meritocracy based art form you could think. Like, you have to have a specific response from people.

People.

Right. You have to get a laugh.

Yeah.

And you're creating it all yourself.

Like, there's no talking. It's just you.

Yeah, that's it. And so if it's comedians that you think are funny and they happen to be whatever, it's just who's funny? Because everything else is this ideal. There's not enough women, there's not enough black people. There's not enough.

It's insane.

Stop.

Right?

Stop.

Yeah. There's an interview that goes, what do you say to the people who criticize that you don't have enough people of color or blah, blah, blah. And he goes, I don't know. I'm looking at your audience. A lot of whiteies in here. That's what he said. Oh, it's the best. Because it's like, it's so true. Look at your friend groups. Look at your life when you start running it through everyone's genitals and skin color.

You could.

You could call every culture racist.

Right.

I went to my buddy's family barbecue, who's Polynesian, you know, he's Pacific Islander guy. One real diverse family reunion.

Right?

Because that's the beauty of a culture is that you kind of have. The whole point of having a culture is to have some advantages. I can't just wander into your family's thing and go, how come there's no more. There's not any Filipinos here. That's not how it works. I would say that. I think I've said a couple times on stage, but, like, I wonder if, like, liberals go to, like, Japan and they're like, this is disgusting. You know, it's all Japanese people here. It's not very diverse.

Yeah.

I wonder, do they go to Russia? Oh, my gosh. Where's the diversity here? Like, that's not how things work.

No. There's a lot of countries that aren't divorced at all, and it's fine as long as they're black. You know what I mean? It's, like, all black. It's totally fine. But all, like, Poland's a problem. That's a real problem.

Yeah, it's insane to me.

Yeah, well, it's. People are just weird, you know, and look, racism is bad, so. Because racism is. Because actual racism is bad. People look for racism all sorts of places, and then they start deciding that things are racist. Or, you know, they could do with a lot of stuff. Like, you know, we were talking about this the other day. This idea of silence is violence. Like, shut the up.

That's crazy.

Nobody ever punched you then.

Yeah. Then you'll go, hey, can we go back to the silence?

Come to the UFC with me. I'll show you what, like, this is. See, that's what violence is. Yes. This is way worse. This is a sport of it. These are nice people. Like, that's actual violence, not words. It's definitely not silence.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. And then they start using sticks and stones. You go, let's go back to names. I'm happy with names. There was less blood when you were calling me names.

Yeah, you're. You're being silly. Silence is not violence, you fucking idiot.

That's so dumb.

It's. Silence is just silence. You can't fucking. Pretty nice, but it shows what you want. Is what you want. Force people to comply. You want to force people to say what you want them to say.

Right.

Put that black square on your leverage. Exactly. Yeah. And it's a bunch of losers. It's usually a bunch of losers at the wheel. That bus. Yeah. They're going right off the cliff, and they want to bring you with him. Like, what are you doing?

Not a fun place.

Not fun.

That's not the world we live in.

Yeah.

Or it's not the universe that comics like to live in at all.

That's the other thing about all these people pushing all these different things to call everybody and an ist or whatever the fuck you are and how you have a phobia, whatever it is. All these people seem to be miserable. Yeah.

Yeah.

They don't seem very happy in the same.

They're proud of their anger, which is odd.

Yeah, it's like, find some things to love okay. There's a lot to love in this world.

Comic went on on Kill Tony last night. He was so great, and I am remiss that I don't remember his name. And he was able to rattle off, which I'm sure he's done before. It's probably in his act, but he was able to rattle off all his interests. He's like, oh, I'm in, you know, Universal Studios, let's go. Monster truck rally, let's do it. And I was like, I immediately wanted to be friends with this guy, cuz I'm like, that's how I want to live. I live. Or I mean, I do live like that. And I was like, dude, I can identify with this so much. The little kid in me is like, yeah, whatever it is, let's go. I go to the gay pride parade. I've got a lot of gay friends. Let's fucking do it. Like, like whatever it is.

Right?

That's so much better of an attitude. Just like, let's, let's do it all. Let's, let's, let's jump in these things. Like, that's so much more fun than going, we're not going there because of this and we're not doing that because of this. And that. This is probably. It's like, it's too exhausting.

Well, a lot of people like being exhausted because it keeps them active. They've got something to think about. It's their sports.

Yeah, it is.

You know, politics for a lot of people is their sport. And it's not just their sports. It's like they're fanatical Red Sox fans.

The religion.

Yeah, yeah, Red Sox to the death. And that's what it is. Like the Yankees. That's all it is, man.

But it's the same thing. So the sports one is where I think is a little different because the Yankees fan doesn't want to murder the Red Sox fan unless you're in stock. We still like baseball.

They break people's legs.

Yeah, sometimes, you know, but I'm saying they still like baseball.

Yes.

They can still agree, oh, we're at the ballpark, you know, we're having a hot dog and it's like you and you're like you. And it's fun, you know, it's fine. But like, to the people that claim they hate religion the most are acting their politics out like religious zealots, right? They're going, well, this is. I wouldn't even Jimmy Kimmel's watch wife. I can't even talk to them anymore.

I don't think she's having a hard time talking to them.

I might be. I've watched it a bunch, but. So what happened was she said that she was always struggling with it since Trump's been in office, but now she doesn't even want to be with these people because it's personal to her that like, that now she's made the decision to not, and it's like, that's where it's a problem. Struggling with. It's fine if family Rooneys want to have a talk with your aunt who voted for Trump or something. I think that's healthy. You know, let's talk about it. Cause if you're doing any of these things and you can't defend it, you're probably pretty stupid. But when you start going, I won't even be associated with that person because of whatever it is that's a problem.

Well, it doesn't seem smart. Doesn't seem healthy, you know, if you don't have any room for disagreement. But it's also like, the thing between Kimmel and Trump is so dumb.

It's very dumb.

It's so dumb. I can't believe. Like, and then he went after. What's. He went after Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers as well, right?

Yes, yes, yes.

Crazy. I know. That's so dumb. I. I don't understand. I guess no one is around to tell him that.

He must be in a bubble.

He's 100% in a bubble. But that's also the way he's behaved his whole life. Like, that's how he would attack you if he was on the Apprentice. You know, I'm supposed to do the Celebrity Apprentice.

I was supposed to do it, too, but way after it was good. I was supposed to do it with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Well, I was supposed to do it with him.

With Trump.

Yes. Okay. It was when Fear Factor was returning to NBC. They asked me to do Celebrity Apprentice, and I thought about it, but my kids were really young at the time. I didn't want to live in New York. And I was like, how long does it take? It takes forever. And then also, like, that guy's gonna be mean to me. And I'm like, fuck, I know it's not fun. Like, that's not gonna be fun. Like, I'm not good with that. You know, I'll get real.

I wonder what your political opinion would be of Trump if you had done Celebrity Apprentice.

Interesting. I think he always had an understanding of how the whole political process worked. There's an interesting Interview of him way back in the day. I think he was talking to Barbara Walters. Maybe it was a really old interview where he was talking about maybe one day running for president. And this is back when he was a Democrat. Yeah, you know, he was a Democrat for a.

From Queens. He's a New York guy.

Portion of his life. And you know, I think Elon said it best. He's a product of his time, you know, and that's the thing. This is an almost 80 year old man who's a real estate guy who likes to see his name in big gold letters. Loves America because that's what he always liked. Like I like my name, big gold letters. Like everything's big and gold. That's what he genuinely likes.

People knew that about him. They would give him a little more grace when he says crazy things. Because like if you read his book, like there was a part where he was like, he's like, okay, do you.

Think he really wrote the book?

No, but I think, I don't think anyone does. Dennis Rodman didn't write his book. You know, he just had a guy follow him.

Some people write their own book for.

Sure, but not the majority. Yeah, or actually that's not true. The majority of people write their own books. The majority of celebrities have someone follow them and talk to them in coffee shops.

They have ghosts.

But he was, he's like talking about. He's like, this building's the biggest in New York. It's the best. And they're like, it's not even the biggest building in this. And he goes, you know what I mean? Like, it's kind of like.

Yeah.

And if you know that, then you kind of like give him a little more grace when he's just saying. It's just kind of how he is. He's this, I'm the best. You know, it doesn't mean he's really the best. It means he's got an attitude of the best.

You saw the BBC thing, right?

What thing?

You didn't see this thing where BBC got in trouble for editing his speech. We talked about it yesterday. I'll just tell you real briefly. So they took a segment of him saying something and then spliced in a segment of him saying something else from 53 minutes later.

Right. The stormy. The Capitol.

Yes, right.

From the January 6th.

Crazy.

Yeah. Which is crazy. Not journalism.

Like that is not journalism, but like full on lying and propaganda and it's kind of fucking dangerous.

And those are the things people watch. That's what I was saying. That shortened Bullshit.

Yes. But these people lost their jobs because of it.

It's a big deal.

Yeah. And not only that, but like, they're getting hounded by reporters. They're asking them, and the answers that they have for why they did what they did is like, crazy. They felt, it seems like these people, this is just my opinion, seems like these people felt justified for completely lying because it would lead to an ultimate good. So they lost all journalistic integrity. And it is the BBC, which is like the height of journalistic integrity that doesn't show the rot of mainstream corporate controlled media that nothing does.

Right.

Because that's pure rot. If at the top of the heap you got like, in my mind, if, like, if somebody said something to me and they quoted a source and it was the BBC, I was like, okay, that's like Washington Post. That's like New York Times. It's a very official source. So I'm thinking this must be real. And they turned it into activism and they turned it into lying, and they did it in front of everybody where you could clearly just listen to the whole thing. And no, he didn't say that.

But that's not how he said it at all. Yeah. It's like. And I think, I'm sorry that I keep harping on this, but like, that's what AOC or kind of the left I see most guilty of doing is in their brain. They go, I know that this is a little like, whatever, but it's for our greater good.

Right.

So they're doing that with their own thing. Listen, I don't. I'm smart enough to know that Charlie Kirk was trying to make a point about blank. But if I twist this a little, it's for the greater good of what I'm trying to do here. And so they justify it to themselves. They say, oh, well, now I know that I might have been a little political politician y here.

Right.

But it's for a greater good. For a greater good. And it's vague. And it's like, listen, look, he hates black people.

That's why Obama disappointed me so much during the Kamala Harris campaign. Because he did that thing where he said, you know that he said that white nationalists are very fine people.

Yeah.

He said, we have very fine people on both sides. And when you hear the actual quote and the difference between what they're saying he said and what he said. What he said was the exact opposite. He said, and I'm not talking about neo Nazis and white nationalists. He said, he's like, I don't forget the exact wordage he used. They should be condemned. Whatever he said. But along those lines, specifically said, not those people. I'm talking about people that just didn't want these statues torn down.

Yes.

That there's very fine people on both sides. And some people just, like, go, yeah, Robert E. Lee's a really bad guy. But it's like, this is a part of history.

It is.

Yeah.

Yes.

This is like, this is just reality.

Yeah.

But that. Using that during Kamala Harris's campaign, I was like, that's great. You know what he said? You must know.

They cut it up.

Why would you sacrifice what's so valuable is, like, your stature and your integrity. Why would you sacrifice that for someone who just probably wasn't gonna win anyway?

Right. I mean, I don't know if it's money or if it's some sort of oath or if it's intentional whatever, but, like, that stuff's so dangerous. I really like that shortening of, like, what someone said, taking out of context.

I think there's also the consequences of people going to trial for that Russiagate stuff, because I think that. That Russiagate collusion hoax that they perpetrated on mainstream media for years. And a lot of people are really comfortable, uncomfortable with even saying it was a hoax. No, it was a hoax. Late, ladies and gentlemen. It was a hoax. And a lot of people coordinated that hoax, and there was a lot of people involved, and I think they're super sketched out about Trump being president again and possibly digging into that stuff. And he's doing that now. Yeah. And you're finding real evidence that the people that you would think, the intelligence agencies, you think, what are they here for? They're here to make America safe and protect us from problems, but it seems like they also. Metal.

Yeah.

And not just metal, but, like, completely try to sabotage someone and paint them out in a way that's completely inaccurate. Knowingly, willingly, with taxpayer dollars funding it.

All for the greater good. For their greater good, bro.

I might say very fine people, too, if I was doing that. Whatever. He's a fucking Nazi.

Let's not. Yeah, he's Hitler.

Let's say, whatever the fuck, keep him out of office.

I think that's what happened with the. In a way, that's kind of what happened with, like, the Epstein list thing. I think, like, the reason you're never gonna see that is because there's just too many powerful people that are in that. That are on both sides. It would kind of be a. Not a collapse, but like a social kind of, like, collapse of, like, not.

Just that, but both sides.

I mean, I don't think there's, like, that. You're not gonna find all liberals went to this island. You're not gonna find all conservatives went to this island. You're gonna see a list of some of very powerful creeps on everything. So it's like both this, like, stalemate of the right and the left going, maybe we just won't do this.

But it's not just that. It's this ball of yarn of, what did they do with the information? What did they. If they did compromise you and they did fly you out to an island, you did have sex with underage girls, what did you do then when you were confronted by the fact that they know this?

Right.

What did you do? Do, like, what decisions were made? What foreign policy decisions were made? What financial decisions were made?

Yeah.

What money got donated? How much money transferred back and forth to different accounts because of things that happened there?

Yeah.

How many huge international decisions were made by people in powerful positions because someone has a video of them doing something very compromising on an island?

That's why I'm glad that. I mean, I might be the very rich or anything, but, like, if something, you know, if they try to figure out something on me, this is. This would be their research. They'd be like, all right, we found Jeff died. He likes a sprite, you know, he also watches Pro. They'd have nothing. They would just be searching.

You're not a guy who's trying to run the world.

Yeah.

The thing is, everybody who wants to run the world, everybody wants to be the president. Everybody, they're all fucking crazy.

They've all done weird.

They're fucking crazy. And then they get into a position where they have, like, old ultimate power, and they're putting fucking masks on, fucking each other. And, I mean, that's skull and bones.

It's crazy stuff to me.

Yeah. There's always been these weird secret societies of people that get really wealthy and they do kooky things and they wife swap and. Yeah. Yeah.

It's very strange.

People lose their fucking minds with any kind of power. And you got the kind of power where you're literally, like, running the government. You're literally running the whole.

Want to do bad stuff. Like, it's crazy. It's like, I guess my brain's too.

You don't want to run the government.

I know, but if I. I just. I think to myself, I'm like, it's crazy that there's this much on all These powerful people, like, it's crazy.

It's not crazy though, because you think, like, what is their pursuit? It's just like very bizarre pursuit. Because either they really are for the people and they really want to make the world a better place. Well, then you're not going to get anything on them because then they're Bernie Sanders.

Right?

You got nothing.

Yeah, they just.

You got nothing. He, you know, he might not be effective, but, you know, you don't have anything on him. That's it. He's not going to compromise. He doesn't have to to. You got nothing on them or you. You got someone who wants to be a leader for some strange reason and they. They're really not that extraordinary. But they're in a really shallow pool of talent. Right. Because that's the real truth about running for president or running for governor or running for mayor is it's a fucking shallow pool of talent. Because most people that have any kind of fucking talent talking don't want that job.

Right.

Why would I want that job? Why would I want people to fucking shoot at me? Why would I want half the country to fucking hate me no matter what I do? Why would I want to get in and find this intertwined web of fucking money and power and influence? There's no way to fix it.

Yeah.

And I'm just gonna sit here for four years being a bad guy in a stupid White House. Like.

Cause you took a photo with someone. Yeah.

So the people that want that are all out of their fucking minds. And they're all kooks. They're all Gavin Newsoms, they're all Kamala Harris's and Donald Trump's and they're all kooky people, you know, and some of these kooky people will do a better job than other kooky people. But only kooky people want the job. And until that changes, and until not just kooky people want the job. Non, non kooky people want the job being president, but non kooky people involved in Congress and the Senate and everything. Regular, rational people that can have real conversations and not try to diminish whoever you're talking to. And every in the most reductionist way possible, make them out to be a moron because they're on the other side. But actual solving of problems without you doing it at the behest of these massive corporations that have been donating to you. So you have to bullshit your way and gaslight people and you can't be honest about your real opinions. That's the real fucking problem with that whole system, it is absolutely contaminated by both money and the promise of money in the future if you play ball. That's where it gets real weird.

They leave government jobs and start working for pharmaceutical drug companies that they were regulated 16 months ago.

It's. It's like. It's like X or like Twitter, you know, it's like. Like, nobody's on there to go, oh, I'm gonna, like, try and find some people's ideas. It's all like debate culture. Like, you could put the most simple thing, and you have 700 people who just want to go. But, like, the goal is to debate and argue and get into, like, win and dunk on your opponent and make someone say there's not. Like, nobody, like you said in the beginning, is like, nobody's to trying. Trying to just go, I think I really want to make it fair. No one's saying that.

No. What's even more fun is Blue Sky. You ever go to Blue Sky? If you make an account, even in your name, you say, jeff Dye, I bet you'll be banned. I bet you'll be banned within 20 minutes. Yes. Yeah. You're problematic. You're a toxic male.

What is.

You're heterosexual. You're a cisgendered male.

That's.

Which is what? Yeah, we already have.

I don't know.

We don't need to add that. I don't. I'm not doing it.

I thought I got to choose my pronouns. Why did they get to put cyst on me, sis on me?

But if you go there. I saw this one conversation where someone said they were talking about something, saying, I'm trying to be Zen about it. And then the next person say, said, try not to be racist against Asian people from Zen.

Yeah. That's insane. I mean, that's crazy.

It's whack a mole.

Yeah.

They just sitting there, ready to whack, whack. They're just ready for someone to pop up with any micro aggressions, any diversions from the narrative.

It's so exhausting. I've never heard of this. It's like a liberal kind of like Facebook or something.

Most people bailed on it. So a lot of people, like Stephen King said, I'm going over a blue sky. They all decided to go over to Blue sky because Trump let him say whatever they want on Twitter, and they just didn't like the reality of the world.

Right.

And so they're like, this is bullshit. I'm leaving. And they all come back. They all come Back to Twitter because X is more fun.

Exactly.

It's nuts, but it's way more fun than everybody just calling you racist for everything.

I do think that's the current problem with the world. I know that's very vague, but, like, people just want to win the talk. Nobody wants to have the talk.

Right.

So it's more about, like. Well, here's what. You haven't thought about this. Like, it's. It's like. It's like, why are you talking at anyone like that?

Right?

Like, hear them out. And then they also have the. Give them the luxury of being wrong. It's okay to be wrong. I'm wrong all the time. But, like. Like, the only way I can be right is if I say the wrong thing and I learn or, you know, that's.

That's.

We should be having conversations, not arguments.

But the thing is, now, you attach that to politics, and you literally have to win the arguments, because that's what the whole game is. The whole game is like, get up in front of all those people and state your claim and diminish the claim of your opponent. And it's stupid.

Yeah.

But they have to do it because they have to get elected. Because if they don't get elected, then they don't have power. And if they don't have. Once they get into power, then they have to use that power for their constituents and for the people that help them get into power. So there's a bunch of fucking needs of these. And there's a bill. You want to put this in the bill because it's going to help the oil sector. The bill is going to help chips and.

Whoo.

And so, of course you're gonna put a mask on and go fuck a guy. You're crazy. You're doing a crazy job. You're doing ecstasy. You're hanging out with all these people that are running the world. Of course you're sucking dick with a VHS camera somewhere.

That's why I'm walking around town with a leather mask being walked by my boyfriend.

They can't take it anymore. They're living an insane life where they're producing no value. So there's nothing they're doing where. Unless they're real. Like, that's one of the things about Bernie Sanders. Love him or hate him, that's a real guy. And he has real beliefs, and he's been steadfast about these real beliefs from the beginning of his career. From this. A photo of him that we play we showed on the podcast of him getting arrested. At a civil rights protest in the 1960s, I think it was. He's always been that guy. That's who he is. Just great. Yeah.

Who we need.

If you're not that, then what are you doing? You're trying to just get ahead. You're trying to win. You're trying to gaslight the best. You're trying to make your way through this weird game where you could be a senator or you could be a governor, and then maybe you could be the president. You have eyes on the throne. First thing I'm gonna do is take that tacky fucking gold leaf off the wall. Trump put gold leaf everywhere. He likes gold.

Yeah.

What's wrong with gold?

It looks bad about his home decor.

It's the White House. You know, there was people complaining. He made the White House look tacky. It looks beautiful.

Yeah, well, also cares. You don't live there. I don't give a shit.

Well, they just don't want him doing that. They don't want him.

Did he do with his own money and stuff? I mean, they've always done that. Taft put a fuck. He invented the hot tub on accident because he was like, that tub won't fit me. I'm too fat.

Oh, really?

Yeah. And then they forever, like, people will go, oh, it didn't. Taft. Even that big fat guy got stuck in a tub. And it's not true. He was just a big guy, made a funny joke. And for now, like, now all these young people like, like, oh, yeah, Taft, the big fat guy that got stuck in a tub. It's not true. He accidentally made a. He just made a modification to the White House, and it basically invented a hot tub.

Well, people are also upset that he's making a ballroom. You see, he's making this giant ballroom.

Sorry, it doesn't bother me.

And he found out you're allowed to. And then he goes, he. He goes, what's the deal with permits? They're like, you don't have to get any permits. You're the president. You can just build it. He's like.

He's like amazing as a real estate guy. He's like, that's fucking great.

Right? For a guy like that. It's like you just gave him the coolest fucking present ever. He can make a beautiful, beautiful ballroom. And people are so mad. And they were saying that it was a waste of taxpayer money, but it turns out it's not. He's not donations.

I think you can look this up, but I think Obama spent like $350 million of taxpayer money making modifications to the White House.

I think that's true, too. And, like, did you.

No one cared. And I don't care about that either. I'm not using that as a what about. I'm saying I also don't care that. That Obama did it. I don't give a.

Can I get a receipt?

Right?

$350 million. What did you do? Like, what cost $350 million to a house that's already standing? Could you imagine it? If you're a construction guy, gave you a bill like that? Like, yeah, I just want to fix it up nice. Let's do all this. And then send me a bill and you get a bill. It's $350 million. You're like, hey, I need to talk.

To the foreman here. Yeah.

Think about the White House. It's not that big, right? It's not that big, dude.

There's some pretty beautiful houses for 1.5. That's a whole house. A whole house, yeah.

$350 million is so much money. Did you make another house underneath the house? What happened?

Yeah. How did that happen?

A tunnel to a giant arena that's under the ground.

Maybe the guy gets 500 grand an hour to do the construction or something. Because I don't understand doing it at the White House.

Yeah, he needs to get paid more.

It's like weddings, you know, they're like. They're like, I'd like to buy a cake. And they go, Sure, $40. He goes, for my wedding, $5,000. They just changed the price. You what? I needed a bunch of flowers. You gave me a great rate. But then the second it's for wedding, those flowers are now like this crazy.

Maybe that's why this White House prices.

Yeah.

Because they know it's taxpayer money. But $350 million seems like real excessive. I'd like to know what they did.

Didn't one of the. Was it Nixon or somebody made like a bowling alley in there.

Nice.

Yeah. That's a cool thing to be the president.

Is that what they do? Like, you're allowed to just. You're gonna be there for four years. Put a bowling alley.

I think you get to. I don't know if that's true, but somebody put a bowling alley in over a pool or something. I read. But also, I didn't care. I just go, sure. If I was president, I'd probably make some adjustments.

You see, he took Biden's photo down and put a picture of the auto pen up.

Oh, I did see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know it was real. I have a real struggle with, like, what I see is real or not.

It might not be real. Let's find out if it is real. I think it is real, though. I think that's what I heard. Obama's ERA project covered renovations. Trump knocked down 376. Okay, 376 million dollar cost to improve the east and west wings infrastructure. Peck described the project as largely underground. Utility work. Doesn't do a whole lot of good to have a building that's sort of an image of the free world standing up there and not functioning well, Peck told CNN when questioned about the cost. Bloomberg News reported. In 2010, the Obama renovation was the biggest White House upgrade since President Harry Truman was in office. 48 to 52. Truman oversaw the White House historic gutting, renovation and expansion in response to significant structural issues that at one point resulted in the leg of his daughter. Piano breaking through the floor. Trump's project with the first major exterior change of the White House in 83 years. Historic preservationists said.

You know, I read that. I just said, oh, my God. Because the leg of his daughter. And then it's the leg of his daughter's piano.

I read it too. I was like, oh, no, just a piano broke. Yeah. That was very deceptive the way they typed that. Just the piano leg.

Yeah, yeah.

One of the piano legs went through the. Not the daughter.

Like the daughter's legs.

Why bring her up? You're freaking me out.

She's not in this story.

I thought a kid broke her leg. I was panicking and it's just a fucking stupid piano. Know, but that. That building's not that big. So I guess that makes more sense, though. They had to do like, crazy underground infrastructure shit that probably.

I would wonder what's under the White House.

Heating, cooling and fire alarm systems that hadn't been updated since 1902 or 1934.

Still. I'd like to see a receipt also. Feeling ripped off.

I used to always say, I don't think that any president ever is at the White House because. Or they go to the White House, but they don't live there.

Like, yeah, they do.

You think that they live there?

They do. They have a residency.

Well, I think there's like a tunnel to a different place.

That's another building. They live in that building because.

Why would you want to put the most powerful person in America in the most famous address in America?

Why are you giving people ideas?

Well, it's a Secret Service. You know, we keep them secret.

Don't give them ideas. It is weird because you know where he sleeps all the time. Right.

That's crazy.

You.

You have more security and anonymity then knowing where someone powerful is. Like, that's crazy. No matter how much security you have, the secret is the best part of it. That's why Secret Service is good. You want a secret address, you want a secret home, you want to move them around.

Yeah. Don't have them in the same spot every night.

I think the White House is called the famous. The most famous address in America. Like they say it's the most famous address.

It is the most famous.

So why would you put someone so powerful in the most famous? Like, I just think that, like, even when I was like in high school, I was like, I bet that they. I'd like to think that we're not keeping the president in a place that everyone knows about.

Yeah. But they do. Hopefully no one's listening to this. And you gave him an idea.

I hope not either. Violence is bad. That's the, that's the point.

Do you remember back in the Obama administration when that crazy person broke into the White House?

Yeah. Got pretty far. Didn't you? Have a bit about it?

Yeah, he had a bit. There was a lady guarding the door without a gun. Yeah.

What are we doing is crazy.

That's so crazy.

Might have given someone some ideas. Like, I could get pretty far, bro.

They got. That guy got all the way in. If it wasn't for a off duty Secret Service guy who saw that guy running through the fucking White House and he tackled him. He just happened to be there. He wasn't even on duty.

What did they think? Just like. Well, no one's. No. Yeah. Like, well, who would do that? Like, that's crazy.

Yeah. It's so crazy. The people that have never been around, crazy people, they don't know why lobotomies were done in the first place. That's true. Back then people were like, enough of Mike, right? We got a slow mic down.

Or you see like, like you work at like a homeless place and you go, oh, I kind of get it.

Right? Yeah.

You go, yeah. You could kind of go, oh, these people, I don't know. I don't know. You know, they've done so much stuff and drugs and they've traumas and all that, and you just kind of go, I could see how in the olden times they would go, these people are broken. Let's.

You know, especially if they're not medicated. Like there's out and out, like Hardcore mental illness involved in most of the homelessness. A large percentage of it, at least. Yeah.

Which is a controversial statement, but it's a hundred percent true.

Well, the mental illness leads to drug addiction. Drug addiction, self. The self medicating. You know, it's a lot of trauma, a lot of things, a lot of factors. But the answer to that isn't just let them camp.

Right. Let them be in front of your house whacking off, shouting bomb threats. Like that's not. Ignoring it isn't the solution. Yeah. Not talking about it is not the solution.

Yeah, yeah. I don't think lobotomy is the way to go, but I, I don't. I don't know.

I just meant like in the 30s they would see that and go, you know, let's put this guy in a.

Room on the 30s. I've had people in the. There was a bunch of people that were in shanty towns in New York City back during the Depression. Oh, yeah, the Depression was so bad that New York City had like, you know, like these little handmade houses like, that people had built. You ever see any of that stuff? See if you can find shanty towns from New York City from the Great Depression. Yeah, man. It must have been so dangerous. I mean, it's basically homeless encampments in the middle of Central Park. And there's no jobs, man. There's no jobs and there's no fucking the Depression. Isn't that crazy, man? Imagine living out there, how dangerous that would be.

That's downtown Denver right there.

And that's all because of the bankers. That's all because of the bankers. They crashed the stock market.

That's crazy.

I was just hearing something really crazy where someone was making a connection between Rockefeller and alcohol during Prohibition, that one of the competing fuel sources back then was ethanol. I don't even know if this is true, but that, you know, Rockefeller had control of oil and they were using oil to make pharmaceutical drugs. So like most of the drugs that people buy, the reason why they started doing it that way is because Rockefeller, because he had control of the oil. And this was saying that he wanted to stop them people from using ethanol. So he wanted. He thought the best way to do that was to make it so that no one could have the ability to produce alcohol. And the best way to do that is to make prohibition about alcohol.

But.

Really sounds crazy. It says it's a myth.

Computer.

Let's see why they say it's a myth. John D. Rockefeller is often blamed for using prohibition to eliminate ethanol as A competing fuel source to gasoline from his Standard Oil business. But this is a myth. Rockefeller supported the temperance movement primarily for religious and social reasons. Okay, that's the excuse that's publicly stated, that he supported alcohol prohibition for religious and social reasons, believing alcohol consumption was harmful and aiming for a more productive workforce. So this is the problem with it. These are not quotes. This is like someone saying why this guy supported banning alcohol and not, yes, he did work to ban alcohol and yes, he did benefit from it because ethanol was taken out. That is true. So ethanol as a fuel was not banned. It's saying explicitly allowing, even promoted, the use of high proof alcohol for scientific research fuel or other lawful industries. During Prohibition, ethanol as a fuel was not banned. In fact, some industrialists, including Rockefeller, dabbled in ethanol fuel production. Henry Ford also pursued ethanol fuel development during this time. Okay, so I take back what I said. So it's not that it was banned. So that doesn't make any sense.

Then it would make sense if somehow or another. But could you, if you were using ethanol, though? The thing is, is like if you stop people from making their own alcohol, if you make it illegal to make your own alcohol, you definitely can't make your own fuel. And then you can't use ethanol because you can actually make ethanol with corn. That's how they make it. So I could see how you would say if you wanted to sell more gasoline, you would make it so people can't make their own fermentation and you can't make your own alcohol. And one of the best ways to stop people from making their own alcohol would be the prohibition of alcohol. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like it doesn't seem that clean to me. That looks like a little squirrely. Like he supported a prohibition of alcohol because of morals, but yet he was like really involved in a lot of shady shit that seemed like he was very controlled.

Those religious beliefs were sidelined.

Yeah, man. Also, he had a part in the structuring and the education system to make people good little factory workers. Get him up early, get him to school quickly before the parents can like give them any sense of how the world really works. And then brainwash them, bring them in, get them in there and make good workers out of them. He was a big part of that as well. That guy had a lot of power.

Yeah, that's. He'd have been an interesting guy in politics.

So it's not true that he. That ethanol, that they prohibited it, but it is true that they kind of eliminated people making their own Alcohol. And if you're not. If people aren't, like, making engines from ethanol, because most people are using gasoline at the time, it seems like they don't.

The materials.

Yeah, it'd be a good way to stop people from making their own gas. And then you'll sell more gas.

I tried to buy something recently because I had, like, a chest cough, and they're like, you should get this shit. And then I went to the Rite Aid or whatever it was, and they're like, oh, that's behind the counter. So I go up and ask her for it. She needs my id. She beeps my id and I go, why? She goes, oh, because enough of this. You could make meth. And I go, really? She goes, yeah. So we have to, like, make sure that the person. Like that. It's kind of document who bought it.

And how much Sudafed, right?

Yeah, I think that something like that. And then I was like, oh, then I need 700 of these. But, like, I didn't even know that's.

How guys were making meth.

You got to regulate all that kind of stuff.

You imagine how bad that meth was. You get some that go to the grocery store and just clean up the. The pharmaceutical aisle.

That's the sad part about addiction, man. You'll see, like, these homeless guys drinking mouthwash. You're like, how bad has it got that you're just, like, chugging Listerine, like, in an alley to get drunk? Like, that's. I mean, that's a. That's.

What if it's a really good buzz?

I mean, I guarantee it's a good buzz, like, in your breath. Great.

Imagine a Listerine buzz. Imagine a Listerine bull buzz.

I mean, sometimes I have to. I don't drink anymore, but sometimes I would have tequila, and that felt like mouthwash. You know, you have, like, a shitty, cheap tequila and you go, do you.

Know a large percentage tequila apparently is fake? It's not made with agave.

Really?

Yeah, there was a big scandal. See if you can find anything on.

But it still got people drunk.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think the scandal was that people were saying that it was, like, real tequila, like, legit tequila made from agave.

Yeah, but it was.

Wasn't. Yeah, it was just, like, some shitty alcohol. Yeah. Some nonsense.

They got counts.

It's tequila. I know, but I mean, I guess scammers probably thought, like, if they were scammers, so who knows who's doing it along the way? Maybe it's the manufacturer. Maybe it's the original person who knows? But they didn't think someone was going to check.

Yeah, it's kind of strange. I. I think about all those kind of things. Like, I remember they were doing this big campaign. They're like, McDonald's uses real beef now. I'm like, what were they using? Like, what do you mean? Like, if the tequila company would now market, like, no, this is now real tequila. You'd be like, what were we drinking?

This is a proposed class action lawsuit filed in the u. S. District court for the eastern district of new york. Goes on to allege that both brands fail to meet the regulatory requirements to label themselves as 100 Agave in Mexico and the United states, even though they carry that distinction on their labels. So what are these brands? Click on that link where it says those brands. Oh, casamigos and don julio. Top showing significant amounts of non agave alcohol despite being labeled as 100% agave. Customers named the suit claim that they purchased the products under the assumption that the tequilas were made exclusively from blue weber agave and paid prices reflective of that premium designation. Somebody was cutting the product, son. Yeah, that's how it goes. And no one's paying.

History repeating itself over and over and over. Those are like, I didn't expect it to be something I've heard of, but here's the question.

Who did it? Right? You got to follow that web to go, okay. Where did that money come from? Is it that guy? Is it, like, a manufacturer? Is it someone who's in the plant? Is it someone? Are they skimping? Are they ripping them off? Like, what?

Who did it? Yeah, who did it?

That's, you know, I mean, if you're an. And you're running the distillery and you're like, those don Julio people, we have to like, I. And you're like, I know how to make it better. I can make more money. And then these skims, we're gonna need 100 grand for it. Only tossed 40.

Greedy, greedy.

Yep. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? It's probably a tangled web of scumbags that were using the company to make money.

When I first worked at giggles comedy club, the owner, like, we didn't really have a green room. We're just kind of in the back where all, like, the soda tubes are going from the boxes of syrup and all the bottles of alcor back there, and he had one bottle of every kind of, like, top shelf liquor, but he would just pour shitty liquor in there, like, with funnels, like, totally against the law. Just, like, funneling, like, the cheapest Tequila. You could get in like the finest tequila bar bottle. And then when people would, people would constantly bring it back, like, this tastes wrong. He goes, you saw me pour it from the bottle. And they're like, yeah, I guess. I don't know, like, what? But I watched him do that so many times.

That's hilarious.

Yeah, because he could charge like this, you know, crazy amount, and then you just get the shittiest, cheapest tequila from like Costco or wherever the heck.

That's so gross.

I know.

That's so.

I watched it.

How many people do that all over the world? There's a lot of that going on. There was, there was a great documentary about that that. It's called Sour Grapes. And it's all about these wine guys that got duped. They were buying this wine that was like Thomas Jefferson's wine. Some dude was making it. Some dude in Century City was like, making the.

The label put over the bottle.

Yeah, he was totally doing that. That's fun. He was mixing a bunch of cheap wine to try to come up with this flavor. Weird.

Like, it's always this. Was it a big wine guy?

Like, oh, yeah.

Oh, really?

Oh, dude, he, he. This is how he up, up. He ripped off the Koch brothers to a too big. Like. Yeah. And they had, they bought some old ass, like, Thomas Jefferson wine and it wasn't real. And then they also had some magnums from a company that never made magnums during that year, during that era. And this actual wine guy saw their seller and sort of, what is this? And he says, that's a this and that. He goes, no, no, they, they don't do that. This is not from that. This is fake take. And he was like, what? And so then they have a lot of resources, obviously, so they're like, release the house. And then they, you know, they caught him. They get enough evidence that they can raid this guy's house. And so when they raid this guy's house, they find like a whole manufacturing thing. He's got dirt and water. He's rubbing it on the labels. He's like making the labels old. And he's reusing old labels from wine that he had bought somewhere else and re corking it and sealing it. Oh, total scumbag bag. And he sold millions of dollars worth of like, fagazi wine to all these dorks that are like.

These dorks.

Yeah. And they're all, I spent this much on this. Yeah.

It has an essence of tannin. There's a. A woody. A woody aftertaste. Almost chocolate Ah, tasted chocolate.

I wish. Who caught him was a. So, like, someone who was actually like, no, this tastes like. And, like, I'd be like, oh, it's real. Like, there.

There is one Sam on you in that documentary that these other guys were, like, sniffing it, going, this is. This is the real stuff. And the other guy gets it. He goes, no, this is crap. What is this?

I love that.

And the. But. Which is, like, a huge insult to the other fellows. Like, I don't. And they don't want to say they got duped. No, no, no. This is the best. The best grapes during the best year.

I have it.

I have the grapes.

Can't you taste the hint of Costco? You don't taste the box on this wine.

You don't taste Trader Joe's.

That's hilarious. What a weird thing.

It's a weird thing, man. But it's a fascinating documentary because it shows you what that thing really is. It's like this weird club that they all belong to where they get real nerdy about a flavor that's not that good. It's not that bad.

But you want the finest.

So you believe the best wine is not nearly as good as Koolaid. That's far superior to the best wine ever.

Yeah, but it's not exclusive, you know, Koolaid.

But it's, like, such a weird thing that some of it is so expensive and so revered that they have auctions for it.

The autograph world is full of a bunch of bull crap like that. Like, if you collect athletes autographs and stuff. I'm friends with the. The guys at Icon Autograph in San Diego or whatever. And they're great guys, but, like, I'll send them a photo of a thing and be like, this is selling at this. Like, you know, it. You know, hotel lobby. So they have those. You know, when you walk in, it'll be like a photo of Taylor Swift framed, and it's just like, cut her autograph on it. It's selling for, like, $5,000 or whatever. And I sent him a thing because I. The item was so unique that I was like, this is pretty special. It was a baseball Autograph by Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe. To have both those names, like, on the baseball. I was like, this. There's no way. This is at a silent auction right now for, like, a thousand bucks. I sent it to my autograph guy, and he goes, dude, there's like, one of those in the world. And it sold at auction for, like, millions or whatever. So this guy just Somebody like you, like the guy you're describing putting dirt on the.

Thought he could pull one over and probably did. I mean, I didn't go whistleblower or anything, but, like, he definitely did. Someone just wrote Joe DiMaggio on a baseball and Marilyn Monroe and put it in a fancy case. And, you know, some schmuck has that right now in his living room telling everybody about this ball.

He committed suicide a week after the story went viral over the summer.

Oh, my God. He admits to counterfeiting over $350 million in gear after police raid warehouse. And then he kill himself. The dealer says the scheme grew to be an addiction.

Wow. What did he.

All sorts of fake autographs.

Oh, yeah. Oh, my.

All sorts of.

So of course, there's a lot of that.

Oh, dude. Tons of it.

Yeah.

People repacking things.

Of course. You're always gonna have that.

That's wild.

Yeah, it's just.

What? I guess people's risk reward is fascinating to me, too. Like, you know about the Chauncey Billups thing.

What's that?

That he's a. He was the head coach. He's a Hall of Fame.

Oh, this is the NBA thing.

Yes, hall of Famer.

The money scam.

And then he's the coach of the Portland Trailblazers. So you have money coming in, you're not desperate, and then you gonna risk your entire reputation. You're gonna risk your entire, you know, bank account by doing gambling and doing all this, like, dumb shit. I'm like, why would. Like, at that point, you think, no more risks. Like, like, you're pretty good. Why? Why. Why do corruption. Why have, like, all this, like, gambling nonsense? It makes no sense to me. I get it. If my friend does it, who's broke, and it's like, dude, I had to, like, pull some bullshit. You know, times are tough. This guy's the head coach for the Portland Trailblazers. What are you doing?

I think people get addicted to just pulling things off.

That's what that one was saying, is that this guy said he was like.

Yeah.

That's why. Yeah.

Well, people are nuts, man. Like, the gambling addiction's a weird one, man. And I think some of those guys, maybe they get a bunch of losses and then they want to get it back by rigging a game.

Yeah.

I mean, but they want to make it, like, so they definitely are gonna win. And they feel funny that it's, like, fun to get over. Like, you rigged a game, tricked them. Yeah. Yeah.

There's two baseball players for the Cleveland Indians right now.

They're bringing up video where he accidentally struck people out and he's pissed.

Yeah.

You gotta strike these two players. They'll never play throw balls. Yeah. For $5,000 a pitch, which is, you know, kind of chump change to guys who make 30 million a year. You know, like, that's not, like, that's good money for me, but that's not good money for these guys. And they're, like, supposed to throw a ball at a certain time or walk a player. Like, they were doing these different things and they caught him, you know, these guys.

So the prop bets thing is the weird one, right?

Yeah. And that's what makes it weird that, like, DraftKings and all these things are such a big part of sports now, Right.

Because there's. You're just going to have organized criminals that get involved in that and exploit it. There's a UFC problem, right?

Oh, really?

Yeah. Yeah, a UFC fight. So this was a story. A lot of the UFC has an organization. I don't know what organization they use. Maybe you could find out, Jamie, that monitors unusual betting activity in any fight. So the moment there's any unusual betting activity, they contact the ufc. UFC contacts this fighter, says, hey, you're the favorite to win this fight. There's a very. A lot of unusual betting activity on you to lose. Like, are you okay? Is everything fine? Are you injured? Nothing? No, no, I'm fine. I'm gonna kill this fucking guy. Okay. Has anybody contacted you about this fight? No. So he goes out, loses in the first round, gets submitted. Rear naked choke. Doesn't look good. Immediately, the UFC says, we called the FBI, so.

Good.

Now, apparently there's an investigation of many fights. Right. And there's a web, it seems like, of people that have contacted fighters and said, I will give you X amount of dollars if you lose this fight. Yeah. And a bunch of people have said no to it and publicly talked about how they said no to it. You know, good, really good fighters. And even went on to lose the fight, you know, unfortunately, and didn't get the money. But we're open about it. Yeah. So it's one like, patchy mix who was. He was Bellator champion, came over to the ufc, and he said that someone. I think he said somebody offered him $70,000 or something like that to lose a fight. Something. Something crazy. I might be wrong. If it was him that said that number might have been someone else. But. So they're offering dudes, like, a big pile of cash to lose to a fighter that they might have lose Might lose to him anyway.

Right.

You know, like, it's probably a tight matchup anyway, but if you definitely lose, so what do you do? You don't fight as hard. You. You make mistakes. You do something stupid. Stupid. You know, you. You let them take you back. Right. Get choked out. And if you're good at defense, you might be able to. As long as you're getting submitted, you know, you're not probably not going to get hurt that bad. And you'll be able to make an extra 70 grand when you might be getting 10,000 to fight. Right. So all of a sudden you got 80 grand. Are you allowed with it? Obviously, I think it's terrible. And it's.

Are you allowed to bet on yourself to win? Is that a thing?

Well, I know fighters have in the.

Past, because that would be.

Ufc. Fighters right now are not capable of betting on the ufc. I think it's not just the fighters, but the commentators, the coaches, referees, everybody. No one's supposed to be betting on the UFC because there was another betting scandal. And so the other betting scandal was this guy who was a active MMA fighter and a really good coach, and he got accused of using this discord server, and they were running, like, a gambling discord server, and a bunch of money came in on this dude to lose in the first round. And he went out there and he lost in the first round. And the word was that he was hurt and that it had been expressed to these people bet against him because he's going to lose in the first round. And a lot of people made money. So this guy gets investigated, the UFC bans him. I don't know what the status of his case is, but they also banned the fighters that were training out of that gym. I think. I don't know if this guy. See if this guy who just got in trouble, if he was connected to that gym. The gym was James Krause's gym.

Yeah. Because I was fine with it. If they want to bet to win, you're like, I love that.

Right? I love that. You, too. The thing is easy to trace when you. You were talking about, like, prop bets and stuff like that. Losing the first round, you could just definitely lose in the first round. And everybody makes a hundred thousand dollars, you know what I mean? Like, some people are going to take that, right? Especially if a guy is, like, pretty good, but realistically, he's not going to be a world champion. You know, maybe you're 32, maybe you got a lot of fucking.

Maybe you're Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul.

You might have alimony you have to pay off. You might have child support you have to pay off. You're in debt, and that's why you're fighting in the first place. And someone comes along and they. You're out of the hole. Now you're going to get $100,000 to throw, and they're just going to bet a ton of loot on you, Right. And they're going to hope nobody notices. But I guess now people are noticing it, and you can kind of see if someone's not fighting back. And that was the thing about this fight. I got to see it, obviously, when I knew the controversy. I didn't see it live, so I didn't have fresh eyes, you know, I didn't see it live and go, God, why is that guy fighting off the choke so badly?

There's a bunch of NBA guys. Some. Some Instagram account is really good. He found. Excuse me. Just dry mouth, dry throat.

Have a sip of water.

I got nothing.

Why?

You sipped water?

Yes, he was.

We have previously coached by James Cross. Say it again? James.

He was previously coached by James Cross.

Okay, so this guy, who allegedly, through this fight, was also coached by this guy who was involved in the betting scandal. So that's why computers are good.

Like those kind of little things where you can find that, like, oh, this is on you. Like, computers help in that way. For sure.

That's a tangled web if you're involved with people that are making money gambling and not on the square. So the thing is, if you're just gambling on the square, if you just watch a fight like Pereira versus Ankalaev 2, and you say, I like Pereira to get that title back, I'm gonna fight. I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is. I'm putting too large. Too large on Poatan. Let's go. That should. That's totally fine and fun. Yeah. But when it gets to. You have a prelim fighter and he's only making ten grand and someone offers him, you're gonna get choked in the first round. And it's like, okay, I got it, I got it, I got it. And the opponent probably doesn't even know, Right? So this guy has to figure out a way to give this guy his back.

Brian. Oh, that's kind of funny. He's, like, leading him.

Yeah, you have to give it to him. You have to give it to him, Pete. There's been fights like that. There's been fixed fights, for sure.

Oh, for sure.

Has to be.

Especially in boxing.

Oh, it's weird because those boxers are.

Their lives are so tough.

I mean.

Well, they've always done that. Throughout history, guys have taken dives, you know, especially if you weren't connected enough. You know, if you were a guy that was with a big time manager who had a big time lawyer and probably mob ties.

Yeah, they all had mob, right?

You had to have mob ties.

I'm gonna lose a fight if the whole mob's gonna kill my wife or something, bro.

You don't think Rocky Marciano had mob ties? For sure. If you're the heavyweight champion, the world, and you're Italian, all the mobsters want to be your friend.

And you're a boxer. You know, they love that.

Flatlining, everybody.

It's funny to find out how many of these old guys didn't even like the sports. They just liked all the money part of it.

It. Well, Marciano talked about it like that. Like, it was. It's just my job.

Yeah.

But that guy was the freakiest training person I've ever heard of in boxing. Like, the freakiest training regiment. It was crazy. Like, part of what made Marciano so good was that he never got tired because he had this insane work ethic. And he lost one fight when he was younger, I think in the amateurs, because he got tired. And he decided after that fight he was never going to lose a fight, ever, because he got tired. So he just put himself through this fucking insane routine where he would get up in the morning before any training, he would run 10 miles. He would do his training, he would hit the heavy bag for hours. Then he would swim miles in the lake. After training, he would spar 100 rounds a week. He would just get to the point where, you know, we're talking about redlining.

Yeah.

And he did the same thing. He redlined to the point where he couldn't do it anymore. And then he retired undefeated. But does that red line, that kind of thing that he was doing, you can't do forever. And I watched this video about it the other day. Like, this is bananas just to watch that guy's work ethic. And back when nobody had anything. You have no creatine, there's no vitamins.

You know, I think about when you say the redlining thing, and maybe it's just because I'm influenced by his, like, the videos he posts and the things he does. But every time I know Michael Chandler and, like, every time, like, I see this guy, like, he's like, oh, you're in Arizona, like, swing by the gym and he's like throwing the thing again. Like, he's just always, always, like, in this. Like, I'm going to shoot a TV show tomorrow, but I gotta work out it. Like, he's always so tremendous discipline. Full on. Yeah. Like, never seen him going, I'm taking a month off, or, we're going to the pool.

That's why he's still elite at 38. I believe he's 38 now, right? How old is Michael Chandler? I believe he's 38, but that's why he's so elite. He's never gotten out of shape. 39. 39. Because that guy. People don't even know about the wars that he got in with Eddie Alvarez. When they were at Bellator, that's when.

I met him, was Bellator.

One of the greatest fights in MMA history. Went unseen by a giant chunk of MMA fans because they didn't pay attention to Bellator, right? But this, the Eddie Alvarez, Michael Chandler fights in Bellator were nuts.

Really.

I mean, nuts. Play a clip of it. I mean, nuts, like from the opening bell, two mad fucking roosters just attacking each other. It is. It's so wild.

Were those Bellator guys redlining because they just wanted to get to ufc? Like, they're still climbing the ladder. They're still in the hunt.

Well, they were just. These guys just redlined their entire career. Eddie Alvarez went on to become a UFC lightweight champion when he beat Rafael Dos Anjos. Huge upset. Eddie Alvarez is a fucking beast. But these two guys, from the opening of the first. First seconds of the fight, look, this is the beginning of the fight. Chandler's just, right. Throwing himself at him, just sprinting at him.

Drops him, bro.

Drops him again.

Look at this.

It's crazy. Alvarez survives somehow, and he fires back, bro. These fights are nuts. The fights, I think they had that. I know they definitely had two. I don't think they had three. But in the. The two fights that they had together were insane. I mean, the entire pace of the fight was fought like this.

He's awesome, dude.

And they're really evenly matched. It was a really good match.

Looks a little bigger than him.

Well, Chandler's a tank dude. Dude. Chandler's the best, and he's got crazy wrestler power from the legs, you know? So when he leaps at you, like when he knocked out Dan Hooker, he lunges at you like he's shooting a double and throws a left hook at the same time. When he. He knocked out Dan Hooker in his UFC debut, who was a really respectable MMA fighter, a very good fighter, but he just got caught. Find that one, Jamie. Find Michael Chandler. KO's Dan Hooker, because this was his UFC debut. And again, Dan Hooker is like an elite fighter, which is one of the reasons why it was so impressive. And the fight starts out, and Chandler does the same. This is his first fight in the ufc, the same shit he did in Bellator. He just charges forward.

I love it.

I mean, this is how he always fights. It's do or die. That's why this guy's lost a ton of times, but he's still a huge fan favorite. It's because you know you're going to see this. I mean, he's just throwing bombs.

Oh, big.

He's just so dangerous, man. Because everything is a hundred percent. Hasn't really landed. It's.

Oh, that one hurt. That was just one, too.

Here comes. And look at the immediate big knockout for Michael Chandler.

Big right hand dance hurt. Oh, my God. It's over, bro. That's a rap, bro.

And then he does a backflip off the top of the cage, bro. That's a freak dude. Freak athlete.

I met him. So I was doing a prank show for MTV called Money from Strangers, which was kind of like, impractical jokers, but way darker. Like, we were, like, a lot edgier. Was before money or before impractical jokers. And so they'd always send me to, like, MTV Movie Awards or any kind of those things. And I was like, I don't know. I live in New York. They're gonna send a car. I get to go on a red carpet. Whatever. I'll drink. It'll. I'll make it fun. And they happened to be behind me. The Bellator guys happened to be the next guy in the red carpet line. And the way the red carpet works is no one cares about us at all. They're just waiting to get, like, Miley Cyrus or Beyonce or whoever the hell it is. So, like, we're basically. The photos they're taking are just something we're gonna save off the Internet because no one gives a shit. They were like, all Bellador guys. So people at this movie awards don't necessarily care. These guys are behind me, and they're like, this guy's fun because I'm making all these jokes and, like, goofing around, and I was already kind of, like, buzzing up.

And so then that Michael Chandler and these two other, like, Bellator guys. Brog the Predator, you know, he is. No, he was a Bellator guy, too. A Cleveland guy.

Okay, big guy.

He's awesome, too. But anyways, these three guys, and they were like, this is kind of dumb. And I was like, yeah, this shit's kind of gay. I don't want to be here. You know? And then they were like, let's just go drink. And so we just drank and met people and hung out, and they're like, want to get Subway? And we got in a car and got. And got Subway, and I just hung out with these dudes all night, and I've been pals with them every since.

Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah. But it's like. Like, I didn't really know what they did. I just kind of knew that they were, like, fighter guys. And so, like, I thought they were in UFC at that time, and they weren't. They were in whatever was.

Bellator was paying really well, and Bellator had a pretty good following for a while. I mean, it was doing really well. There was some real elite fighters out of Bellator, and a lot of guys, like, they came over to the UFC because they became famous, famous in Bellator. Like Ben Askren, he came over from. From Bellator. He actually did a stint at one FC before he came to UFC eventually. But there's a lot of guys that never came over, you know. Yeah, unfortunately, like Douglas Lima. Douglas Lima, at one point in time, was one of the best welterweights alive, and, you know, he was the Bellator champion. He's, like, the only guy that's ever knocked out. Michael Venom Page, do they have, like.

An MMA hall of Fame?

Yes, there's a UFC hall of Fame, and I think there's an MMA one, too. Maybe. Maybe the MMA Awards, I don't know. There's a UFC hall of Fame, though.

Yeah, but that's UFC guys.

I know. I know some guys, they. They wait too long in these other organizations, unfortunately. And the reality of the sport is, you know, there's a bunch of different organizations you can compete for. And I think if the PFL is paying you more money, go to the pfl, do whatever you want to do. But if you really want to be the world champion, you have to be the UFC champion. That's just how it is right now.

It's like major league business.

How it's like, in boxing, if. If you're the undisputed champion, you have all belts, then you're Terence Crawford. But if you're, like, a WBA champion and there's also a WBC champion and an IBF champion, that shit's too confusing to the average person. And for most people, the UFC is what, for Good or for bad? Just. Just a. I'm just saying that's just how most people think of it.

That's how I probably annoyed them that night, because I was like, oh, you guys are UFC guys? And they're like, we're Bellator.

Yeah. You don't go looking for cotton swabs. You go buy Q tips. You look for Q tips. That's what it is. You watching pro football. You're watching the fucking NFL.

Absolutely.

And if you're so bored you're watching the xfl, you start Canadian Football League. I got to go to the gun range or something. I got to clear my head.

Yeah. What would happen to me?

I got to do something different. But I feel like that's just for better, for worse. It's just how it is. That's how it is in America. We don't have a lot of attention span. And if it's going to be elite fighting, it's got to be. There's, like, one organization that we follow. So.

Yeah. And I follow them all.

I follow everything. I try to pay as much attention to Muay Thais I do to boxing as I do to wrestling and Jiu Jitsu tournaments. I try to pay attention to everything just because I want to know, like, who's coming up, who's good, what's new, what different things are people trying that they've never done before?

She see Holly Holm did wrestling, bro.

She'S a fucking athlete.

She's the best.

LA is an athlete. After her fights, Mike Wickle, John used to, like. Like, she used to stand on his hands and do a backflip after all of her fights.

It's amazing.

See if you can find that.

It's crazy. She would win, and then he was back at a place to watch wrestling. And then there was something she could sign up for, and she's like, it. I'll do it. And they just. And they were like, really? Because she's famous. So they were like, we'll. We'll let you be part of it. She goes, sure. And she did. And she was just like. The second they said her name, everyone cheered. It was like, not like a huge, grandiose plant thing. There's no contract. There was no Any. Anything. She just did it. It's like this here. She text me about it. I go, what? Like, did they go crazy? And she's like, no. I mean, like, it was just fun. It was a fun thing. I thought, why not?

That's the thing. We'll show that again.

Watch the best.

Watch how they do this. Yeah.

So cool.

That was the thing they would do after all our fights. Well, she had a back muscle, son. That's crazy.

Yeah. What'd she say? Oh, she said the guy like her manager, whoever she asked about it briefly was like. He was like, well, what if you get hurt? And. And her. This is great. She goes, yeah, but what if I win? And I was like, what a great response. And he was like, it. Let her do it. And so she did it. And I was like, that is the coolest thing.

That's why.

What a mentality.

Multi sport martial arts champion.

She's the best.

She was a champion in kickboxing. You know, she had championed in boxing, women's boxing, in mma. She did the full trifecta. Yeah, she's the best kind of crazy. And she's a really nice lady, too.

That's what I like about her.

Yeah, she's a sweetheart.

I don't know a lot of fighters. Those. I named all the fighters I know, Michael Chandler and Holly Holm.

That Holly Holm fight with Ronda Rousey was nuts. That was in Australia. It was a huge crowd, like a massive arena, man. And when she landed that head kick and you realize that Rhonda was out and then she's. Hammer fist.

Yeah.

It just didn't even. It was like when Mike Tyson got beat. Remember when Mike Tyson. You were too young, but when I.

Was a kid, Buster Douglas.

When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson, I saw it, I heard about it. I didn't watch it. I saw a tape of it, and I still thought he was gonna get up.

You knew the outcome.

I was like, he gets up, he doesn't lose. There's no way. There's no way.

No, I remember that for sure, because Mike Tyson was larger than life. Like, and he was so, like, one of those celebrities that, like, you knew everything he was doing. The stars shined really brightly back then. There was, like, Michael Jackson. You knew Michael Jordan. You knew Michael Jackson. You knew they would go out. Yeah.

They would go to places and people.

Big deal. Yeah, Mike Tyson. I remember being in the Kingdom, watching a baseball game. It was the same night, I was a little boy. And they put on the screen that Mike Tyson was disqualified for biting Evander Holyfield's ear. And the whole stadium reacted like. I mean, like, they didn't interrupt a baseball game, but they put it up there because the news was so large. Like, it was a very big deal, bro.

He bit him twice. That was crazy. I watched the first fight today. I watched the first Evander Holyfield Why'd.

You watch it today?

I just felt like watching it.

I love that I do that.

Like when I'm in the gym, I'll pick like an old fight, I'll put it on. And I put on that fight. I was like, wow, that was a crazy fight.

I can't work out unless David Goggins is calling me a in my headset. That's all I listen to.

You don't know me, son.

Dude, it's the best. Like, I. Every time I'm. I was at Equinox this morning, I had David Goggins and my thing just going, you're a piece of shit. You can do better, Jeff. You can be bigger.

Goggins is the best.

That's what I listen to are those kind of like YouTube things where they compile, you know, it's like just all motivation stuff with music over.

You don't seem like a guy who needs motivation. Just do it for fun.

I like it. Yeah. And it keeps me in the mindset. I always channel all of it back to like stand up comedy, you know, because like, I'm working towards something. I'm in the hunt, I'm climbing. And so like they could be talking about a battle in war and I'm still like, yep, that's what I'm. What's next?

I'm gonna.

Yeah, I'm climbing, you know, I'm still hungry.

Yeah, that's a fun time. It's a fun thing to do.

Yeah.

You know, the fact that you get.

To do it when also, like, otherwise I just sleep till noon or sleep till one, you know, but like, if I have that, I'm like, no, I gotta get up and write or I gotta get up.

And you know, here's the question. You, you're doing this, obviously you're doing this for the love of the thing. And you said that if you didn't need money and you didn't even get paid money, you would still do, do it. And I think the same way I would do it too. But what do you think about the idea of universal basic income? Because this is something that is being discussed with automation and with AI. We were having a conversation about it the other day with Elon and he was saying that he thinks that AI can generate so much productivity that you could have universal high income. And then I went, wait, okay, okay, am I. Are we married to this idea that everything that you do in life you have to be doing just for money? Because that's what it is. Now, if you're a professional you're doing it for money. If you're a professional podcaster, if you're a race car driver, you're doing it for money, right? Why are we married to that? And if you didn't need money and no one needed money, would you just find a thing you love to do?

And would we be able to rewire our brains and still have some feeling of. Of value and of identity? And without being attached to an occupation? Like, isn't it possible that we've just tricked ourselves into thinking that the only way to live is to live in a way where everything you're doing, you're doing is for money? And then if it's just everybody does their best at things and enough money is generated so that basically everybody has. Has, like what he was saying, a universal high income. What does that mean? Like, is that a feasible thing? Like, what. What is AI going to do with production? What is AI going to do with automation, resource extraction? How much money is going to be generated that you're going to be able to literally have the entire population of the country under universal high income? Is that even possible? And if it is, what happens to people's desire? What happens to their dreams? What, do they just find a thing like you and I have and do that and not care about money and really be into the thing? Can't that be taught? If it's taught to you figured it out.

And I figured it out. If people have figured it out, they figured out, like, find a thing you love and you're never going to work again because you're going to love doing it. Whether it's building cars or painting or carpentry. If you really fucking love doing it, you do it because you love it, right? Wouldn't that be a better way to live? I know, I know. You can't do it. I know, I know, I know. It wouldn't work. There's too much money in the stock market. I get it, I get it. It wouldn't work. But as a thought experiment, wouldn't that be a way that's possible for people to live? If it's possible for you to live that way? If it's possible for me to live that way, if it's possible to find enough people that are willing to do and love to do all the things that we need to keep a society right running?

I think the point of life, in my opinion, is meaning, you know, so you associate whatever that means to you, right? So, like, a lot of people find meaning in being a mom or a dad. That gives Them enough, they have that meaning or they have, they have a hammer to hold on to. Like that, like they need that meaning, right? I need comedy. Like, that's why when my brain broke during COVID is because I didn't have comedy. I didn't have an outlet.

How long did you go without doing any comedy?

I mean, realistically, I only went a few days because I was doing like zooms and I was doing like underground things for rich guys. I, like, I was the first comic, me and Brad Williams were the first comics to go work in a comedy club with the new Covid restrictions. We were the cause. They, they knew if they called me or Brad, we'd say yes. Like, like, like Keith Stubbs called me from Salt Lake, goes, we're thinking about doing a show with all the restrictions and just see if the, if the government shuts us down, would you be willing to come? I was like, yes. I didn't even talk about price. I just go, yes. Like, I. Because I need it now. Why do I need it? Because that's where I personally find my meaning now. If I maybe was at home and going, man, I'm getting a lot more time with my kids and I'm getting a lot more time with my wife and like, things are pretty productive around here, that's where I would have put my meaning, you know, I think like, and it's just where we put it. It's where we kind of put it.

And I think so a lot of people, people find a lot of value in their jobs that make them the money, but that gives them something to do, don't you think?

Yes, I do think that. But what you're saying about. So if you just find meaning, what you're saying about finding meaning and having a family or finding mean, yes, for sure. But also I think the human mind needs activities, right? I don't think it's just raising children only. I think you should probably have things that you love to do as well, right? Just for your own sanity. But if you didn't have to worry about money, you'd still be involved in this pursuit of stand up comedy because you love it. All the stuff that people do just for money, like the guy who does the fucking septic tanks. That guy's not having a good time. He's smelling other people's shit all day. He's pumping out other people's shit all day. That's. That can't be fun, right? We need him, right? We need them until the robots come and then you don't need him anymore. So this is the point. Like, what does that guy do to find some sort of meaning? He's probably not finding meaning in pulling out of people's ground. He's probably would like to do something different.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm so naive that I'm like, no, that guy should be proud of himself. Like. Like, I'm really. I look at plumbers like heroes. Like, I'm like, dude, the guy that. That, like, fix the electrical in my house. I'm like, I love you, dude. Like, whatever. I can pay you, bro.

I had a septic problem at my house once, one of my houses in California, when I first moved there. And it was so nasty. When I would flush the toilet, the bathtub would fill up, and I was like, what is this?

Those are linked.

Yeah. Well, what it was, was the septic system. There's a pump. I was living on a hill and the pump would pump it up the hill, the poop water. And then the pump broke. Broke. And so they ought to get in there and get the pump out in the poop water and put a new instar.

And that guy's my hero. Like, that guy. We need that guy.

That's a Bud Light commercial. Real American.

That's why I like cops. And like, what you're saying earlier, but the military, the nurses, like, they're gonna.

Send a robot to fix your poop. The robots, people, a robot's gonna do it and it's gonna do it perfectly with AI and you're not going to need a person to get covered in water.

Okay.

And that guy's going to get a lot of money. Money just to sit at home. But then what does he do?

Right.

That's the thing.

Yeah.

Because I think a lot of it's going to happen really quickly. This is something that Andrew Yang was talking about years ago, and it was sort of. I agreed with him, but it was a little abstract then and now. This was way back. Was that 2020 when Andrew Yang was running for president?

I've never heard of Andrew Yang.

You don't know. What's that?

2016?

Was it 2016? It might have been 2016. You never heard of Andrea. Brilliant guy and had a very good 2020. He had a brilliant. Yeah, I didn't think it was that long ago. A great point about automation and that one day automation is going to remove a lot of jobs and including drivers. Right. Like, you're seeing it with these Wevos. These.

Yeah.

So there's. That is like, that's the first, that's the first sounds, that's the first shot fired across the bow of a crazy war where the robots are going to take all our jobs. Because that is. Now you have these Tesla trucks that are automated and they can, you know, like my car, my Tesla, I just press a button. It does all the driving, does everything. I don't have to do shit. I can literally just sit there with my hands on the wheel and barely pay attention if I wanted to. I don't do it.

I never do it either. I have it and I don't. Don't do it.

Yeah, it's. It's nuts. So that's going to be the future and there's going to be no driving jobs and. Okay, and then what about everything else? Well, everything else, manufacturing is, it's out the window. Robots are going to do it 24 hours a day. They're going to be more efficient. No unions, no health care, no need for nothing. Right. They're never going to fuck up. Everything's going to be categorized. They have sets, these, these mining operations in China where everything's automated. There's no people working at all. The trucks are driving, they're getting recharged, they're picking up the coal, they're moving the coal, they're bringing it somewhere else. It's all automated. It's bananas, man. So that's just a massive erasion or erasing of jobs. They're just going to go away.

Well, the dot com did that.

Yeah. But I think this is way bigger, dude. I think this is way bigger. I think this happens and first everybody's like, oh, this sucks. And then it's like, oh my God, this is. It's not stopping. Stopping. It's not stopping. It's taking over everything. It's going to be all jobs. There's going to be no more need for lawyers, no more accountants, no more.

Right.

Coders. Like all that stuff's going to be done with AI. It's going to get so weird if you're going to college right now, because you could be going to college for something that's absolutely obsolete in three years. Sure. Yeah.

Well, but so I get that problem. But someone's introducing an idea that they just give money to people for free. So they don't. Because of this.

Well, here's the thing. If that becomes something that controls everything, which is really ultimately what it's probably going to do, controls all of our power grid, all of our waste management resources, everything. It's going to control everything. It's going to generate insane amounts of wealth. But the question is, like, how does it even get distributed?

That is the part of that I don't.

How does that work? Who's got the money? If you're just giving people money and then they what they.

Now everyone's a trust fund kid in a way, you know, they don't do anything. They just sit around and eat.

And what do you. What do you get people involved with to occupy their time? You know, do you encourage them to join religious groups? Do you get them to be involved in games? Do we try to give people meaning? Are we all just gonna sit around and wait for the robots to just take over and we're gonna be the last civilization of real people 100 years from now.

They'd be like, I think I want to do what the robots do. People like what? You know, in the old times, you know, people would actually have to do and then that maybe there'd be like a movement of that, you know.

Dude, the Terminator was accurate. Yeah, Oddly accurate. Remember used to. Do you remember the first time you saw that movie? Like, this will never happen.

I'll tell you a funny story about that Terminator. I was on mushrooms with my buddy Randy and he forgot that he was at a long distance girlfriend. He forgot that he was gonna call her. So we just ate, you know, four grams of mushrooms. I get big like we just crushed them, right? It was Covid, you know, and we had nowhere to be is the point. So we just went. We're going full journey, you know, we're gonna do of a bunch bunch. And we eat them. We're sitting there and then he, he goes, all right, I forgot I was gonna call Rachel. And I'm like, all right. But it starts to kick in a little bit. He left Terminator on. And then his gay roommate is like on a first date in the kitchen. So there's two like cute guys, like flirting with each other. And one of them barely knows me and the other one doesn't know anybody in the apartment. And I'm just sitting there watching Terminator and like, he can't be killed, you know, Terminator. Like the bullets are just going through him and then the metal just kind of starts forming again.

And I'm just sitting there. I don't know if I was there for 20 minutes. I don't know if I was there for seven hours. And I'm just freaking the fuck out going, goddamn, you can't kill these Terminators. And these gay guys keep looking at me and I Don't know what Randy's doing. I thought he just abandoned me forever. I had like. I can't even watch Terminator the same anymore. Luckily he came down and goes, alright, let's go to the roof. And I was like, thank God you're here. I went up there and talked about it all, but like, I was freaking the fuck out.

How long was he on the phone for, Dono?

I'm gonna guess 15, 20 minutes.

But it seemed forever.

Oh, it seems so long. And I'm just sitting there overthinking everything. And then also the Terminator like just seemed like so pointless. I'm like, why you can't kill it. Just. Just surrender, you know? You can't shoot through this thing.

Well, didn't it come back eventually and become a good guy in the later movies?

I don't know which version of the Terminator I was watching, like if it was T2 or T3 or whatever, but it was.

How many have there been?

I know.

Don't know how many. It wasn't fast for Furiouses or Terminators.

Well, Fast and the Furious didn't also become a TV show, I don't think yet.

I just saw the new Predator and it rules.

Terminator became a TV show?

Yeah.

When? No, really.

Did you see the new Predator, Sarah Connor Chronicles?

No, I haven't seen the new Predator.

Dude, it rules this.

2008.

2008. 8Y.

Huh? I didn't watch it. That looks ridiculous.

That was the thing. They made a lot. They went down the rabbit hole with Terminator.

But there's a bunch.

There's probably like six movies now.

I think I was watching like T2.

Or T3 2, Tornado 3, Terminator Salvation. All these six of them.

You know, the last ones that just. Just try to wring that towel out and get a couple more drops of blood.

You ever seen the leprechaun movies? Yes, dude. After a while they're just like Leprechaun Goes to Space, Leprechaun in the Hood. Like it was just literally put the leprechaun in some setting.

It's funny that that one caught some things catch and they become like cult classics. The leprechaun movies were called classics. Very good. Yeah. And the troll movie. Ever see the troll movie?

I saw Troll 2, which is like the worst film that's ever been made. Have you seen that?

Which ones?

There's no Troll 1. They just made Troll 2. It's so bad. It's phenomenal. Like, it's absolutely the best. The best watch if you watch Troll 2. You'll watch the first scene or whatever, and you'll go, oh, he's the worst actor I've ever seen in my life. And then the next person will come in the scene. You go, oh, no, she's the worst actor. And it just keeps going. Everyone is worse than the next person.

Oh, God.

So bad.

I think they remade Troll 2, and it's coming out on Netflix.

You're kidding.

I just googled troll 2 and there's a trailer for a movie coming out.

They made a documentary about it called Best Worst Movie.

Oh, no.

Oh, you're kidding. No, this is different.

Yeah, no, I did.

He's a pretty awesome.

He's got a cultural too.

I don't know what the it came from.

Yeah, but the real. Have a big dick.

That's his tail or something. Yeah, it's got a tail. It is weird that he doesn't have a dick, though.

Was like, why does he conveniently have, like, animal skins over his dick?

1990 was when the other one came out.

Yeah, I would imagine you wouldn't. Would be totally comfortable being naked.

Just.

Who cares? Yeah, you're not. Why are you going to cover your giant dick? Yeah, you giant, bulletproof.

Show it off while you kill people.

Swinging while you're stomping on people. Last thing I do is see that helmet dropping down.

That's why you lost your house. Look at this size of my.

Yeah, this is ridiculous. Why would he be vain? Or why would he be modest? You know, what's supposed to be really good? Looks really good. Is that new Frankenstein?

Oh, yeah, the Guillermo del Toro. Yeah. Yes. I haven't seen that. But you don't like the Predator movies.

They're good. Oh, I liked the Prey one.

The pretty good.

That was a good one.

Yeah.

Fun, you know, the command.

A lot of Indians dying in that, you know?

Yeah. It was kind of crazy.

That one felt weird. This one, I don't want to spoil anything, but they definitely stray from the rules of being a predator. But it's so good.

Really is really good.

It's really good. Yeah, I loved it.

Oh, it's the one. Where is she a robot?

She's a robot. Which also makes it more realistic that she's so, like, able to do everything anytime. I'd start to feel sexist. Like, oh, my gosh, they did this, like, girl power thing. You're like, no, she's just a robot they made look like a woman. So it's not like you have to feel. Feel like it's not. You know, whatever.

So this is predators getting up here.

This. So it's based off this one runt predator who's on. That's why he looks kind of weird and don't spoil. No, that's the. That's the prank. Yeah, I didn't spoil anything. But he's like a little runt.

Oh.

And so that's why he's out to prove himself. Like, because he's smaller than all of them. He's missing a fang. He looks a little weird, but that's because he's supposed to look weird. Because a lot of people are like, this. This predator looks stupid. Damn.

85. That's interesting. 93. Like, this movie?

No, I loved it, dude.

I like when they can do that with a movie. You know, you think like, oh, what is this gonna be?

Right?

Flip it on its head.

And every time there would be a thing where I'd start to criticize it. Like, I'd be like, this feels like Mortal Kombat. And then in my mind I'd go, jeff, you love Mortal Kombat. And I was gonna. And then, like, the next part be like, this is kind of Star Wars. I'm like, but I love Star Wars. So like, I kept, like, coaching myself. And then after a while, like, this movie's really good.

Yeah. You gotta just enjoy things.

Yeah.

That's what I tell people when I play AI music for them. Like, just enjoy. Forget about the fact the robots are taking over. This is great music.

This is a pattern of every famous person I know.

What'd you say, Jamie? Great is tough, but which one's tough?

Great.

Great is a weird word for it.

Amazing. How about that?

It's very good.

That what Up Gangsta Is amazing. You know? It is.

I just.

I've.

I've gone so many rabbit holes, too. Watching cover songs, though, like, my favorite cover song and finding different bands doing good versions of it. They're real.

They're real. The real bands are better for sure, because it's a real band, so it's a real person. But I love listening to AI music.

I know there's one going viral.

I've never even heard of this.

There's a. It's not officially number one. It's like a weird designation. But there's a song that's number one on the country digital sales chart by a completely AI band.

Well, DJs. DJs kind of did that.

Too many listeners a month.

DJs were kind of like the first version of that. Like, they're putting in their robot and then like making the songs and sampling and stuff. So this is just. I mean, it's not that far deviating.

This is way deviating. This is. You could change the kind of song. Like, you could have it like a little Charlie Crockett, a little Elvis Presley. You could mix it. They're like. They're essentially drawing from all the songs that have ever been made. So all the best sounds that anybody's ever sung has to be good. It's amazing. It's so good.

It has to be the way you just described it. It has all the music.

We'll wrap this up, Jeff, and we'll wrap this up and I'll play you a little what up gangster? We don't need the audience at home to hear this, but you need to hear this.

Every.

We'll have to edit out anyway.

Every. So many successful people I know are really like, big music heads.

Oh, music is a drug, man. Yeah, it's a marvelous drug that inspires you, makes you feel better, makes you.

Move around at Mothership. You guys are always playing good music up in that green room, and I'm always like, what is this? Like, every single time I think I'm in that green room, I'm always going to, what's this one?

Tony's got a bunch. Well, everybody contributes. Everybody. When they find a cool song, we'll bring it into the green room and then we'll add it to the. We got a. The playlist on Spotify is like 34 hours or something now. Yeah. It's crazy because you just keep adding cool songs.

That's perfect.

Jeff Dye anything website, Instagram, Twitter.

I just launched a podcast. Oh, it's called Die Hard. Pretty good. Yeah. D Y E D Y E Hard.

Okay.

Once a week comes out every week. You can watch it on YouTube or wherever. You listen to podcasts. It's on everything. Yeah. And then first I didn't. Because of you. I made it for everyone. You know, like, I had it behind a thing on a Patreon and like. Nah, don't do that.

Yeah, it just. It won't grow. That's the problem. Like, you get some money for like a complete lack of.

Yeah, I'd rather everyone hear it.

And.

And then also we will start doing a thing where it's like once a week we'll do the, you know, a face to face where I have like, an interview with somebody that I like and. And sit down and. And do like a proper podcast.

Beautiful.

But yeah, and then jeff d.com to.

Find all my tour dates and I'll see you tonight.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

All right. Thanks for having me, brother.

All right, here's the music.

Sam.