Transcript of Local Hour: Keep Your Powder Dry

Yo, you see Ryan Rasillo's Instagram story?

I'm not on Instagram.

Let me show you.

I'm curious. What is it about? All the time, people are sending me Instagram stories or information, and any time I click on it, it says I have to download the app. I rarely, not always, but I rarely get to just get the Instagram story the way that you get it. So I don't know what you're about.

Oh, you want to download the app?

Are you going to tell people or are you just going to keep it in the shadows during the shadow, Sean?

I do like the idea of not saying it and people going right now and learning for themselves.

Given what I know about your algo.

Oh, it's my algo, baby.

You're like, Why is Rosillo popping up?

So you're not going to tell people? You're just going to tease them? You're not going to tell me? You're just going to tease me? You're not going to tell me what it is?

I like the surprise. For people listening. You go and you see for yourself, and then you're I'm so grateful that Zazlo told me to do that.

You should not do it at work, listener.

Really? And do it quick because it'll probably be deleted soon.

What time did he do it? Local? Was he out in the middle?

4: 30 AM, local.

Wait a minute. He's at the Super Bowl, prolling the streets the way that he did that night that he ended up in a stranger's house.

No, no, no, no, no, What? Just having a good time. It's Super Bowl week.

We've already said too much.

Yeah, I'm not comfortable with it.

I think we haven't said enough.

I will say, dislike them less.

I'm with Zaslow on I don't think we've said enough. Because now you're teasing the audience. And I suppose it doesn't matter because all of them can just go to Instagram and see for themselves. I I assume very few of the people out there are like me, not on Instagram. Can we get Instagram, please? I'm now interested in Instagram when I never really have been, and I've just generally checked out on social media altogether.

I am checking our YouTube chat right now, and people are looking. People are seeing it. I'm seeing a lot of laughing face emojis in our chat.

Anyone thanking me yet?

You don't have IG? Man, I sent you such a great Novak Djogovitch interview. I thought you would want to talk about it all week. No wonder. It's one of the most introspective, amazing answers to a question ever. I'm like, All right, I guess he didn't like it.

Actually, get me that sound, because I have seen the sound you're talking about, but I couldn't get it. One of the times that Instagram hasn't worked for me and you're sending me something, and I'm trying to get it and can't get at it, made me go find the sound. I had to go search through an assortment of Jóhkovitch sounds in order to do it. But once I did find it, I imagine that it's like, What do you mean I'm chasing people? I don't chase They chase me, right? Is that what the sound was?

Yeah, that's the one. And you're always like, He's chasing these monsters over there. And Jóhkovitch is like, Do you know who I am? Yeah, it was a great sound a week ago.

All right, it's at his show, Dan.

There it is.

No, This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugats podcast.

Basilevski. Again, I thought that they were dead. I thought that the haunted remains or the haunting remains of the lightning were done. They're 19, one and one in their last 21 games. And the question I wanted to pose to you guys before we get to Yannis talk and just how unreasonably mad Zaz and Jeremy are at Yannis, like unreasonably mad. I want to present to you guys as a serious question. I know there are rivalries all throughout sports that have a ton more history than the recent one at the top of hockey. I can't believe I'm saying that, but Tampa and Florida at the top of hockey. But go ahead and name all the teams that hate each other more than these two teams hate each other. I know you've got rivalries and fan bases and everything else, but not every time they get together, they want to fight and the penalty minutes are out of control and the reps can't control anything. You get into one of these situations where the ref is stumbling all over himself, trying to say all the penalties. He can't do it because there are too many of them.

More the penalty. Number 77 and number 19. Both guys have two minutes for interference. Number 23, number 9, and number 6 have a 10-minute misconduct. And Florida, number 42 has a five minutes for fighting in a game misconduct for the secondary altercation.

Number 19 has five minutes for fighting in a game misconduct. Sorry, no game misconduct to number 19.

Tampa Penalty is number 95 in a game for fighting.

Number 38 has five minutes for fighting.

Number 86, 37, and 59 have a 10-minute misconduct. Tampa Bay will have a four-minute, sorry, two-minute power place.

Those two officials, Gert Rank and T. J. Luxmore, are the worst in the National Hockey League.

Two two-minute power plays.

And they followed the Panthers.

They did the Panthers game versus Boston on Wednesday. They followed them to Tampa. Both games were terrible, and it was a shit show last night.

I don't understand why they had such a hard time with sorting out the penalties. Dan, I didn't look at the clock, but my guess was it was probably about a 20-minute delay.

Well, I want to get into this with you guys because I know the national people listening are like, Get out of here. That can't be the two teams that hate each other the most in all of sports. But go ahead and give me the two. You've got to rival it because I know there are rivalries throughout sports. I'm not talking about historically. I'm not talking about fan bases dating each other. I'm talking about right now, these two teams at the top of the sport have shared the top of the sport for what is it now?

Six years.

The last six years, these are the two teams. Florida has dominated Canada in hockey. Florida has taken hockey from Canada, and Tampa gave away the title begrudgingly, and now they're back. I'm going to say it again, 19, one in one in the last 21 games. I know that the hockey fans in this room have been walking around haunted the last few days because they're like, Man, Boston's going to eliminate us, or Tampa's going to eliminate us. It's been great fun fighting these teams and getting past these teams. But go ahead and give me, not just in the hit- A more heated rivalry.

Yeah.

Locally, the only thing I can think of is Nick's heat ever.

Oh, locally? Yeah, in the pro-ranks, for sure.

I think in the stands, Dolphins Jets still has a thing.

I'm not talking I'm not talking about stands, though. I'm talking about the players just hating each other.

He did Celtics when Rondo got hurt. That one had some juice. I think right now in the league, you definitely have historical rivalries. But in terms of active hate, Calgary Edmonton has juice. Those teams do not like each other.

That's history, too, though, right?

Did you see what Huberto did? He delayed hip surgery just to play in that game on Wednesday, and he scored a goal. Yeah, he scored. Vancouver, Edmonton also has some juice right now. There are some teams that don't like each other, but nothing quite like this. I mean, this spills out to the preseason.

I don't think when they're allowed to other sports, you can't do this in the middle of the game. So I don't think you're going to beat a hockey rivalry.

Mike, can you please look up for me the number of penalty minutes that happened in the preseason, the moment they both took the ice, and then it just started being a whole bunch of fighting all over the place.

Well, and also for context, just to show you how heated this rivalry is, in that preseason game with all of those penalty minutes, Tampa Bay, they fielded an A... It was an AHL team they had. It was not their regulars. And they did that so that they can actually fight the Panthers with no actual repercussions. What other sport does that happen in?

Every single match of that Lightning have had against the Panthers this season, They called us Scott Saber. Every single time.

He's a goon.

Now, this is the Brenda Hagle revenge game. He scored and ended up fighting Magic of Chuck Night. Yeah, they fought again. They famously fought at the Four Nations, and Matty came back around for seconds there. Ottawa, Florida also randomly has- Because the brothers, the Chuck brothers. Those games get really violent and messy the way that last night did.

To me, though, last night is such a great example. I know for us, Panther fans, Last night sucked, obviously. But last night is such a great example of what I love about that sport. That sport does such a great job. Those teams, and not just these two teams, but all the teams in that league, they represent the fans so well, where the fan bases who hate each other, Tampa fans, Panther fans, they hate each other. Well, guess what? These teams hate each other, too. I hate the New York Knicks. I hate the Boston Celtics. The players on those teams They don't hate each other. You go to the NFL, packers and bears. Those fan bases, the longest rivalry in all of sport, those players don't hate each other. But the moment you put on that Panther sweater and the moment you put on that Lightning sweater, you hate the other team. That's not a coincidence that they were all fighting last night. We knew there were going to be lots of fights because these teams hate each other. And that league, those teams in that sport represent the fan bases the way that the other sports don't, where the fans care, and guess what?

So do the players.

Chris is so right, though, about how weird it is, even though it's normalized that any of this is allowed. I think I don't even have to tell you that if this happened in an NBA game, the Marines would be sent in, the Coast Guard would be sent in. We do a live stream. Fighter pilots would be over the game. There would be the National Guard, everybody. It would become a military event if a basketball fight broke out that was half what these fights are in hockey.

Paul Maurice got a game misconduct last night. Wow.

That never happens.

I didn't hear that in the-Coaches getting thrown out of a hockey game never happens.

I can't tell you the last time I saw that.

Hatred between players players. I'm trying to think, because a lot of the complaints about today's player is, Oh, they help each other up. There's frattenizing. I don't like what's happening there. I'm trying to think. You're right when you say that Rondo, and this is a product of playing at the top of the sport. You're fighting somebody for a thing that both teams want, and Florida took it from Tampa. Tampa had it for a long time. Tampa still got some of those players who remember what it was to be champions, and they've had to watch the Panthers celebrate two straight seasons with what they believe is their thing. Tampa made hockey matter in Florida before the Panthers did. Tampa is a hockey town. I'd say Tampa is more of a hockey town than it is a football town because of the way that they've won and because the way that region has fallen in love with its team. Furthermore, I'd say that the Tampa Bay Lightning are the most popular thing in the history of that sports market because the Bucaneers have done so much losing.

1,000 %.

It's a great hockey city.

It is incredible hockey city. I've been Tampa several times. All the front porches have lightning flags. That is a hockey town, first and foremost. It's crazy because they've won two Super Bowl. Tom braided won one very recently.

The hatred, though, give me players who hate each other. Memphis and the Lakers were doing it a little bit there for a minute when Shannon Sharp was coming off of the sidelines. But that seems to be a bygone age. The players hate each other on a opposing team.

Memphis and Golden State in the NBA hated each other.

Yes, that's a good one.

Those were good.

But none of those end up in fights, right? If they did back then, you would have had Dylan Brooks and Draymond Green, people who have these reputations. I'm not sure the Panthers... I mean, K'Chuck's got some of this, but I'm not sure the Panthers have reputation of being hated and wanting to fight everybody. They're irritants, and they play a style of hockey that bothers people. But I don't know that everybody wants to be fighting the Panthers.

Gustave Forzling is not that guy.

I've never seen him like that.

He was on the ice just delivering body blow after It was a body blow.

He did not want to fight.

He was actually finna- He was not a fighter.

He was getting punched with a glove on for 30 straight seconds, it felt like.

Yeah, and then he finally- And then he spazzed out. He's like, All right.

Let's get to what it is that happened yesterday, because the reporting is that not only is Giannis not coming here, but Wendy is saying on Ja Morant not being traded, I think he's got what they call in the league negative value. What that means is teams were not willing to take Ja Morant unless the Grizzlies also attached draft compensation. The Miami Heat could have had Ja Morant, it would appear, for either Jaimey Haukes or Khalil Ware. Would you guys have been satisfied if we came in to work today, and the trade had been Kalil Ware for Ja Morant or Hyme Haukes for Ja Morant. It also would have taken a first-round pick and Terry Rozier's expired contract. Which matters. Yes, that's right.

Terrible trade for the heat if they were going.

Yeah, I would have been fine with Hyme going.

Terrible. I don't even know that I would have... I don't think so.

You would have been excited, though.

I just like, yeah, the upside of Morant.

Because a lot of people are pointing out, right, that the heat are the only team in the East to not make a trade. I don't think that's totally fair because it's not like you would have been happy if they got Jose Alvarado. A lot of teams in the East made a lot. Look, that day is what I told you it was. There were a couple of trades, but it was a bunch of George Hills being shopped around on Trade Deadline Day. We didn't actually have the giant shapeshifting monster that's going to change the way a conference title odds are going to change.

We had a shapeshifting deadline in general in the 48 hours around it. There were more massive trades made in the last two or three days than ever around. But did that change the landscape? James Harden going to Cleveland changes the landscape of the Eastern Conference 100%. For next season, I'm interested. Toronto, not doing anything.

Zubosh- Zubosh for Indiana next season. 100%.

He's better than Miles Turner.

Oh, yeah. They were massive moves.

That is a hugely impactful move.

They gave up a lot for him, too.

No, that's a big deal. And the Clippers are full on starting a rebuild while still keeping Kawhi Leonard there, which interesting.

It's a good guy to build around.

Well, there's some future things probably happening there as to why they would want to rebuild, but they were able to do it by acquiring guys in Matheron and Darius Garland. There were some interesting trades made yesterday, but it is more about the trades that weren't made.

Dan, we spoke to Rachel Nichols about this yesterday, and she really echoed what everyone else was saying about Ja Morant and that there is just no demand. And considering they didn't move him and their team that's clearly rebuilding, I would be convinced as well that there was no demand. You believe that, that Memphis was asking for Kela Ware and a first-round pick when there was no demand. I don't think I believe that.

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Dan Levatard. My algorithm on Instagram is dance all boobs.

Stugatz.

It's a good algorithm.

This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugatz.

Okay, well, that's what the reporting is, and I want to cover some of this with you guys. Here is in terms of what it is that the heat front office faces in terms of what I believe is fair criticism. When they have missed, the players are named Kyrie Irving, Kevin Durant, Donovan Mitchell, James Harden, Bradley Beale, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, DeMar DeRosen, John Morant.

Have any of them won anything since they missed it?

Well, hold on a second. Let Dan Cooke. Hold on a second, defensive guy.

Before you start propagandizing.

Jumping right in there.

Just saying.

I know, but we could have waited for you to just say it a little bit later once I got it off the ground.

Learn from my mistakes.

I'm going to say it again because there are a lot of things here and contracts here and injuries here that if the Heat got stuck with Westbrook, if they got stuck with Beale, if they got stuck with Lillard, I think Heat fans wouldn't be happy with those contracts and those players. If they got Kyrie Irving, I think they'd be happy. Kevin Durant, I think they'd be happy. Donovan Mitchell, I think they'd be happy. James Harden, I think they'd be happy because he plays all the time. Chris Paul, broadly enough, I think they would be happy. Derozen, meh. But right in the middle. And Ja Morant, I just heard you guys say, This is one of the big stunners of my sports lifetime. I know Rachel told us yesterday during the live stream, Well, we've seen players before go in a couple of years in their prime this young from face of the league, possibly, to discount, Ben, have no value. But I don't have a lot of recollection of both injury and attitude. Yeah, Ben Simmons here and there, but I don't have a lot of recollection of somebody having the particular descent that John Marant has had over the last couple of years.

May I speak to a general earned arrogance that the organization and Heat fans also have? In all those names and all those superstars that didn't work out, you're talking about a Miami Heat franchise that also acquired Kyle Lowry and made the finals with that bad contract. I think you can make an argument for damn near every single one of those guys. Like, yeah, I know how it ended up working out at those other destinations for those players. I think it would have worked out differently in a lot of those cases here in Miami.

Okay, so you guys have known that I have loved the Clippers for the last few years and thought that they could win a championship if they didn't have James Harden screwing some things up in game seven. It is unfair to say that he'd have done nothing because they got an all-star for nothing in Norm Powell, that's not- That's fair. You cannot show me a whole lot of trades in the league where people get an all-star for nothing. But when Norm Powell When Norm Powell is your fourth best player, you can win the championship. When Norm Powell is your best player, you're what the heat have been this year. You're going to be a team that's a play-in team. And so we all understand that the game has to be getting somebody who's better than Norm Powell so that you can allow your other All-stars, Bam and Norm Powell, to be complementary pieces. But I thought that Clippers team with Norm Powell as the fourth best player, I really did think that was a team that could win a championship.

Barry Jackson put out, correct me if I'm wrong, Zaz, that the Miami Heat had internal discussions, lengthy, and decided that they weren't going to pursue Ja Morant. Barry Jackson says, The Heat liked their squad to potentially make noise in the playoffs. They're not going to make noise in the playoffs. This is part of the problem.

That's their general attitude.

This is part of the problem. Yeah, I know it was a less than 1% chance that they'd end up with a number one pick, but that pick did end up going to Dallas, and it did end up turning into the number one pick.

Yeah, but that pick ended up with the heat in the finals, too, because they got from the play-in round to the finals. The reason they think that way is at least in part because they did it by being- That was a Wemby year.

That was the Wemby-Jahna. I'm talking about last year where their big prize for making it to the playoffs was getting swept out of the first in a historic clip. So all right, we're not going to get Ja, we're not going to get Yannis. We're going to keep our powder dry for June. Well, all the other teams in the Yannis sweepstakes maneuvered, many of them accrue to assets to put themselves in better position. This is a team that is going nowhere. No one thinks this is a team that is going to make a deep run in the Eastern Conference. So why aren't you getting more assets? Why Why aren't you getting rid of Andrew Wiggens? Why aren't you flipping Terry Rozier for something? Why aren't you getting more draft picks? Why aren't you getting some young players that you think can work at a nice contract around superstars in the future? Where is the vision?

That's the part that's a little bit tough to swallow with the Rozier and the Wiggens contracts. They now can't use them. They're just going to walk in the offseason. The heater getting nothing in return, which, by the way, we've seen several times over the last few years with guys like Max Struz.

The explanation for that is very simple. At this point in Pat Reilly's life, he wants to win every game. And you don't have to like that. I understand why you wouldn't like that, but he wants to win the next game, and that may be short-sighted. It may be the opposite of vision. Can you guys find out for me why powder is kept dry? Because I don't actually know why powder is kept. I know powder has to be dry, but do you use powder and then you wet it?

No, you can't wet the powder because then it doesn't work anymore.

So you keep your powder dry because as soon as it gets wet, when would powder get wet?

Well, think about the old Looney tunes cartoons where there's a trail of dynamite powder and someone lights a spark, what gets rid of a fire?

Water.

You want to keep that powder dry, Dan.

Okay. Didn't know where that expression came from.

If there's a fire, you put water on it, it goes away.

That part I knew. I just didn't know why it was.

If you have a flammable powder, you put water on it, it ceases being flammable. Unless it's a grease fire. We're not talking about grease fires. No, it's not.

Grease fires could be really dangerous. It is.

He mentioned fire, and you put water on fire. He just wanted to talk about grease fires. It's not an important correction.

All of a sudden, We're telling people to put water in a fire. They have a grease fire.

No, it gets worse. You guys are having a different conversation. Well, we're having a conversation about a grease fire instead of a regular fire.

You just felt like doing a PSA?

The conversation is advanced. Smoking a bear.

Look, somebody's going to be thanking us later in life if they get a grease fire. In that moment of great panic, they're like, Wait a minute. I remember Roy saying, Don't throw water on this. It'll make it worse. That's why I have- Use baking soda.

I have a fire extinguisher. You don't want to do water in the kitchen.

You ever think about getting that blanket that they advertise, that infomercial?

I have thought about it. I have thought about it.

That's all you guys have done is thought about it? Yeah.

I haven't purchased it.

Basically, all you've done is watched a commercial.

That's a consideration.

Now, we're all going to get that added.

I'm just answering the question. This algorithm.

Well, this bothers me. Are we going to get that added? We are. How is anybody listening to this okay with the idea that your devices are listening to you?

I'm telling you, the other day, I just thought about a product. I'm telling you, I didn't say it to anyone. Then 10 minutes later, I was like, I almost just threw my phone. It's at 5G. I'm telling you, I just all by myself thought about a product. Ten minutes later, see it on my Instagram.

I hate billionaires.

I mean, they're terrible. These robber barons. It's not enough, by the way. It's not enough for them to screw everybody and have everything. Now they got to screw kids, too, with everything you're reading in the Epstein files. It's unbelievable.

Why are these names redacted? Why are we protecting these people? All this stuff comes out, and the most powerful person on the planet is like, I don't know how Maxwell got a puppy.

What? Jeremy, your anger, I'm not used to seeing you this way. I want to get to Doc Rivers here. They're mad at Shams in Milwaukee, evidently. They're taking a victory lap with their 18-win team because Yannis is staying in Milwaukee. Can we get the sound, please, of Doc Rivers pissing you guys off by saying that Shams is somebody who is in his sight line? You guys want a Yannis update? Sure. All right. Go ahead.

Is Yannis doing any court work or anything?

No, I was just talking about he's going to coach the celebrity game, right? You guys see that? No, he did inform me that he's going to put Shams on the trading block today, and he's just going to listen to offers. So I'm just going to go make that announcement right now.

Good one, Doc.

It's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous. He should be embarrassed, Doc Rivers. I mean, the season... Forget the season. The two plus years that he's had since the Bucks hired him and fired 30 and 13, Adrian Griffin, and he's a jokester.

Coached them into the ground with one of the greatest players in the league.

Who wants out. With an immortal. Yeah.

Who wants out, who refuses to demand it, who- Now he's doing that. I'm staying. I'm staying. I'm never effing leaving. It's ridiculous. This tweet where he says, Legends don't chase, they attract. That's a bar. Who has he attracted? Kevin Porter Jr? Lillard. This is outlandish. He broke, Jeremy. No, this type of... You know where that tweet could have been? Two weeks ago, rather than this dog and pony show where Yannis and his agent are absolutely sending people out there to try to influence the narrative, to try to make it so that Bucks fans aren't pissed off. Hey, I want a trade request. I deserve a trade request, but I'm not going to make it publicly. I love Milwaukee. He's constantly doing this, and yet it feels like every year for the last several years, we go through this same cycle of Shams Tarani is saying, Oh, Yannis wants out, and they're going to have discussions so that they can have two and a half weeks of conversation on ESPN, where Shams doesn't update any of the information from the very first thing that he said. It's, Oh, here are the four teams, and then nothing changes.

And he says there are counter offers, but there are no counter offers because now he's showing up and saying, Oh, the Bucks say they were never serious, and they wanted six first-round pics. Hey, you know where that information would have been useful? Before the trade didn't happen. Shams doesn't know anything that's happening before it happens. He just releases a PR statement from the agent or the team that tells you that the trade has finally happened. Did he warn us about James Harden? Did he warn us about Evika Zubats? Did he warn us about any of the trades that were going to happen? No. He told you after they already happened. And the Yannis thing, he gave you a bunch of information, and guess what happened? Absolutely nothing. Over the course of several weeks for Chris Haynes to now say, well, Yannis never wanted to He's happy in Milwaukee.

This is ridiculous.

I mean, it's a ridiculous exercise that we're doing over and over and over again. I feel insane.. You're a big disappointment, Paul pierce. I'm only upset right now that I don't get to do this in person, Paul pierce. How disappointed is it to be a Miami fan right now?

Stugatz.

Brother, actually, you make a really great point. This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugatz.

Okay, I'm going to need you to just basically calm down and just No, I get it.

Final penalty, two minutes scrambling.

Just go and cool off and take care of yourself because you're not necessarily being unreasonable, but you're very, very emotional. The Dog and Pony Show needs be extinct, right? I know there's a Westminster dog show, but those don't have ponies. There's no such thing anymore as a dog and pony show, right? That's no longer something that you can go anywhere in the world and see a dog and pony show, correct?

There are places.

Amsterdam. Guadalajara. Do you know that the Miami Heat, Mike, Barry Jackson has put this out to the anger that you guys are talking about? They have 10 Commandments. You guys aren't going to like them.

What did they tell him to say?

Number one, never trade good players for future draft picks. Number two, never give up on a season. Number three, do not accept taking a step back with the hope that it could lead to better days ahead. Number four, go all in for an all-time great player, but be very selective about pursuing other good players. Number five, do not make a trade simply for the sake of making a trade. Number six, do not give up on a roster prematurely. Number seven, don't try to sell high on players. Number eight, Bam out of bio is essentially untouchable. Number Number 9, maintain roster payroll's flexibility if possible. Number 10, don't worry about losing a free agent for nothing.

Yeah, all right. They're always in the plan with the Hawks and Bulls.

But the things you guys are complaining about go against their core principles as just released as Commandments by Barry Jackson.

I get it. It's not working.

Number 8 was odd.

It's not working.

What was number 8 again?

Bam out of bio is essentially untouchable. It is weird to have in the... It's just as weird as if I found it in the actual Ten Commandments. I'd be like, Wait a minute, what does this mean?

Why is it- This one doesn't fit with the others.

This is not historic. This is not philosophical. This is just the guy who's on the roster now.

They very much feel, rightfully so, that they know better than me, and they think that they're a course of action. Who knows better? It's all right. Cool. I think I've accurately predicted their seasons over the last three years better than they have.

Not the one that didn't end in the first round against Giannis that got to the finals with Jimmy Butler. No, I wanted one of it.

I Bird Wemby. Also, tree top view on that. I still might be right, but beating the Celtics was awesome.

Wemby-yamma, what's he ever done?

Well, and they could have had Cooper Flag, too, right?

Yeah, if they didn't win play in for the esteemed privilege of getting the doors blown off of them in the first- I don't like that argument.

The Mavs had that pick, not the heat. To say that the heat would have then gotten Cooper flagged. Okay.

I just know that in that sport, there are ways to get better, and it's usually not just treading water. In fact, their own core principles, their Ten Commandments, there was one time they did give up on a season. There was a couple of times they gave up on a season. One of them netded Dwyane Wade, the other one netded Michael Beazley. So I can understand why There's some PTSD there, but three banners are up there, and it's because you guys decided to take a step back and give up on a season.

Let me put in front of you again those names just to see. You regret not going after Kyrie Irving?

No. At the time, that one was probably the one that made the least sense, and it was a huge gamble. I understand everything, especially with Mickey, but Kyrie would have helped.

Before or after he linked to the documentary.

It was after.

Yeah. Now, I understand why they didn't, and I wasn't pounding the table to say, Go get Kyrie, but it is yet another name in terms of a player that could have helped.

But even on that one, you and Zaz don't agree. So let me go through all of them here. Bradley Beal.

Don't regret. Yeah.

Damian Lillard.

I regret. Regret.

You do both regret.

Yeah, I regret. There was a lot of stuff going on in Damian Lillard's personal life. He may have worked here. He showed up fat. I think it would have worked.

Yeah, just because it didn't work on that team, that has nothing to do with the-So wait a minute.

You guys think they could have protected him from injury here? We don't know what would have happened. I don't know. Okay, because I think they dodged a bullet there, but okay. James Harden.

I think it certainly would have helped. We were talking about Tyler Hero for James Harden.

Wait a minute. Zaz doesn't agree with that one either.

Yeah, I'm a no on that one.

For Hero, When he played the same amount of defense.

I'm not the biggest James Harden fan, but I think he's better than Tyler Hero. But wait a minute.

I'm not getting any consensus on some I thought were easy. Durant, I'm going to get consensus on. You both wanted Durant, correct?

Durant 3X.

Three times. Any of the times. Donovan Mitchell?

Yeah, clearly. I was a no at the time, but that was obviously- Russell Westbrook?

He ended up being an all-star for Houston that year.

That would have been fun.

The year that Russell Westbrook... He had one great year left in him, and he ended I ended up having that.

That's a hard no for me on Russell Westbrook.

Yeah, I'm a no. All right. I do believe he was an All-Star that year.

De Rosen?

No.

I think De Rosen could have helped.

I'm with Dan.

He could have helped.

And then Ja Morant. No. Ja Morant, cheap. For Hyme Hauke. Ja Morant, cheap. It interests me. It's not just Hauke. It's Hauke, a first-round pick, and that Rozier contract has value and gives you flexibility in the offseason. It doesn't necessarily take you that trade out of getting Giannis, but it might not be Jha and Yannis if you trade too many things that have value for Jha.

Is it important to note that every time that Miami didn't end up acquiring the illustrious list of names, the argument against it was, We get to keep our assets to go get the next one, and they don't.

This is the one time they actually have had good young players. We've been making these arguments in years past where it was just Tyler Hero and a whole bunch of other their random pieces, whether it was Kendrick Nunn, whose name was evoked before the show. These are real valuable young pieces. Hyme Haukez is a 24-year-old, six-man-of-the-year candidate. That's a very good young player, Kala, where we've talked about in nauseam of what his ceiling is. Asking for that plus the expiring money plus a first-round pick, because that's not just one asset for a future deal. That's multiple assets and clogging up your books for next year, where at the moment, Even if Andrew Wiggins opts in, which actually you may want because then that's a tradable $30 million contract, you'll have $60 million in cap room coming up this offseason. That's not just for signing free agents. That's for having all of your assets and being able to bring in a lot of money. Norman Powell expiring as a contract could be a sign and trade or could be extended, depending on what else you move. They may not have positioned themselves by acquiring any more assets for those players this February, but all of the guys they didn't move will still be able to be a part of what's going on into next year outside of maybe Terry Rozier because he could be suspended from the league forever.

Zazlo, have you heard or watched Nothing Personal? Are you aware of what Matthew Coka does for Nothing Personal and how he routinely makes it better?

Yeah, he runs the show.

Yes. He's the producer for David Samson, and he does an exceptional job. They have an incredibly streamlined show that does very difficult things that not a whole lot of people are doing. And we've never played Matthew Coka talking on our show. So let's do that now, shall we? To celebrate one of the great producers at Metalark Media, because Matthew Coka is truly exceptional.

Social media has done this, right? And YouTube does this, and Twitter Instagram and TikTok. It incentivizes... Jeez. Incensive. You got this. No, I lost it right there. I watched TikTok. Incentivizes, and now my guess is you can't finish your thought. No, I can finish it. Incentivizes stealing and stolen content.

Look at how Chris Cody is laughing. Chris, I heard the read you submitted to Cynthia yesterday. I heard how much editing that you reading these ads required. I was in the room. You shouldn't be laughing at anybody about this.

Please, Zaz, yours It was bad, too.

I do all of my reads, one take. Send it in.

You kept stumbling and just not even-That was nothing.

That was a child's play. I think I had one slip up in that one. I can show you some doosies.

Do me a favor. Find the sound of me doing matriculate and getting stuck. Also, find the sound of that time we heard you in another room reading and you didn't know that we were listening to you and we played that sound. How did this go on me? Because of the amount you were laughing, Mike was pointing at how much you were enjoying coca stumbling on because it was somebody other than you. We love that around here. Mike was point... Yeah, but you particularly loved laughing at the first time coca has ever had a sound bite on this show. So start over. I want you to start over before you look at everything. Play again just the coca. Coca getting stuck. That is a tough word. This has happened to me.

Incentivized, not that tough.

This has happened to me.

Linolium got me one time bad. This is 10 years ago, and I've never made a mistake since.

But Linolium, go ahead and play coca. Nobody dig up that tape. Coca again on nothing personal.

Social media has done this, right? And YouTube does this, and Twitter, and Instagram, and TikTok. In a sense of... You got this. No, I lost it right there. I watched the TikTok video. Incentivizes, and now my guess is you can't finish your thought. No, I can finish it. Incentivizes stealing.

I was in the room yesterday when Chris is doing this, and it's not even like when he screws up the word. It He really took me a back. It's not even like when he screws up the word, then he then starts over. No, no. He's laying down multiple tracks. It's called a pickup. Then sends it in, and it's really just like the person on the other end of the piece it together.

I feel bad for Cynthia. When I heard you doing that, I felt bad at the amount of editing that that was going to require. Regardless, play the sound of me stumbling, short-circuiting on the word matriculate. Matriculate the ball down the field. That is unbelievable. That is a scratched record is what that is. Do you have the sound or are you having difficulty finding the sound?

First, I want to find the one I did yesterday because I don't think you guys are over selling how bad it was. But no, I have you do a matriculate. We are efforting to find me messing up the Sheets and Giggles reads.

You were in another room and we were watching you and you didn't know that we were watching you. You were cursing at yourself because you were struggling so much to read it. You were by yourself in a room and you were mad at yourself and punishing yourself. And you wonder why it is that Mike points at the back of your head while that coca sound is playing and just laughs at the amount you're enjoying the coca- I'm trying to build up nothing personal.

We are building up nothing personal. We're trying to tear it down is what we're doing. No, people are going right now. They're like, I got to go check this out.

They're going to Rusillo's Instagram.

Mike, you know I have one rule to live by, right?

Don't place parlays on multiple long shots. Don't say a game is one when it hasn't hit triple zero.

Always drink your Jägermeister ice cold. That's the rule. Everything else is merely a suggestion.

Everything else?

Everything else.

Wearing clean underwear every day?

Well, that's just a personal decision.

Brushing your teeth?

Obviously smart, but not a rule.

Never PP on an electric fence.

Okay, maybe there are two rules, but the one that is 100% that I insist on completely, Jägermeister must be drank ice cold. Or don't drink it at all. Damn, that's cold. Exactly. You're finally starting to get it.

Drink responsibly. Jägermeister L'Core, 35% alcohol by volume, imported by Mass Jägermeister US, White Plains, New York.