Transcript of Hora Local: Lo Único Más Poderoso Que El Odio Es El Amor

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Dan, lo oíste? Dímelo. Oíste el halftime show? Lo viste y lo oíste?

Sí, los blancos están enojados.

Enojados, están un poquito traicionados, creo, porque en el juego más americano, en el juego más de... ¿Cómo lo puedo decir? Americano. Americano, lo más de ellos. Ajá. Voy a hacer eso. Lo más de ellos. Y tenemos el representante de nosotros, no es cubano, pero puertorriqueño, pero aquí somos primos. El conejo malo. El conejo malo, el baboni. Babo.

Qué locura.

Fue un escándalo. Yo estaba ahí en el party mío, en la casa de mi hermano.

¿cómo va esto?

La gente están enojados, damn. Estamos haciendo el show entero en español. No, entero no. Y están... No. Y están... No. Y están... No. No. No. No. No puede bailar. ¿Qué fue esto? Mírame. ¿Qué fue esto? De las manos ahí.

No puede bailar salsa, no puede bailar merengue, no puede bailar bachata, no puede bailar en algo absoluto.

¿por qué estuvo hoy?

¿por qué estuvo hoy? No sé. No sé. Porque veo a Ricky Martin, que puede hablar español. Veo a Balbony. Veo los cantantes, los bailantes. Y Lady Gaga se aparece ahí. Así que no sé. Pero fue el halftime show más.

He was better than Prince, better than JLo and Shaquira.

And he was there. Balbani was there. But it was better than him. Because JLo can't sing.

Shaquira, sí.

Y se pueden mover las caderas. Todo el mundo estaba bien happy con eso. But Balbani hizo algo que Prince. Mejor que JLo y Shaquira. Y él estaba ahí. Balbony estaba ahí. Balbony estaba ahí. Pero fue más mejor que.... Titi me preguntó, Banger. Yo perreo sola. Palo, zafaera, party. Voy a llevarte para PR. Ego, Mónaco. Qué más? Mónaco. Ese estaba buenísimo.

¿hizo Nueva York también?

Nueva York también. Nueva York también. Baila Inovidable. Lo que pasó en Hawaii, que fue... Para mí, yo estaba mirando eso. Nunca, nunca, yo creía que él fue a hacer la canción esa con Ricky Martin, porque eso estaba un poquito más... Vamos a hablar de Conspiracy Theory, que quiere hablar de Hawaii. Slum sand. Papi. El apagón que estaba encendido, café con ron. Y la cosa que no me gustó, la última cosa que voy a decir. No te gustó algo. No, no, no. Sí, es que debí tirar más foto. Debi tirar más foto. La canción del más notable. Okay?

¿cómo se dice Start the show?

Y lo cantó ya yendo para el locker room.

Dilo en español. Dilo en español. ¿Cómo se dice Start the show?

No puede decir, Empieza el show. Coño, estamos mal. This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugats podcast.

I still think the Rams are better. It's hard to make that argument today, though. The Seahawks won 10 straight to end the season, seven by 10 or more points. They trailed for all of 95 seconds in the playoffs. They turned Drake May. They put the punctuation on Drake May, congratulations. Worst postseason run by a quarterback ever. No dispute. C. J. Stroud was in these playoffs, and he wasn't this bad because he didn't get to win the games that made him this bad. That is as bad as Drake May. I got to think he's hurt. That's part defense and that's part pressure with four. But when he's saying that he's getting a shot before the game, I didn't even recognize that, Drake May, on very simple passes.

It's funny how that works, though, right? Because if Drake May would have lost in the first game of the postseason be less criticized than losing in the Super Bowl.

Stafford in three games against the Seahawks, 961 yards, eight touch downs, no turnovers, 111, quarterback grading. And no one else could do anything against the Seahawks defense. They'll go down as an all-time defense. I would have given the MVP to a defender of some sort. Couldn't select one because there were so many. So just give it to the punter.

You didn't consider Jason Myers?

I would just give it to the punter. Why not just give it? Why not three punts inside the six-yard line? Three of them inside the six in that game? Kenneth Walker, okay. Kenneth Walker's dad had never before been to one of his son's games because he's afraid of crowds. Never been to a Michigan State game, never been to a Seahawks game. So the first game he goes to is his son winning Super Bowl MVP. That's nuts. That's crazy that he would be that afraid of crowds, that he wouldn't brave any crowds. And then the one crowd he would brave. Listen to Kenneth Walker talking after the game, after winning MVP of the Super Bowl. My dad, he comes out to Seattle all the time to watch games, but he never goes to the game because like a crowd.

So this is his first NFL game, and we want to. So it means a lot to me, and I know you're proud of me for real.

You have to convince him or just like a Super Bowl.

I wasn't the one that convinced him, actually.

My agent convinced him to come out here.

So I didn't think he would come. They ended up micing him up and everything. So he got out of his comfort zone.

Would you guys have objected to making Michael Dixon, the punter, the MVP of the game?

Did have some good punts.

I had to be the kicker. I was thinking midway through. I'm like, Jason Myers, MVP. I know.

Five for five.

I think they nailed it. Kenneth Walker was awesome.

Yeah, like 10 yards of carry.

He was fantastic.

Michael Dixon was also the holder. He was the holder on some of those-It was kicker before those punter, Dan.

You're talking crazy.

Coffing corner, man.

We will get to what I believe to be the single most Hispanic thing to ever appear for a sustained period of time on American television. I didn't understand why they inserted Lady Gaga into the middle of that, probably to make it slightly more palatable. Palatable to who? Come on now.

You don't think- A lot of people at the party that I was like, What is she doing here?

A lot of the Conservatives watching were like, Well, now it's okay. Famous ally, Lady Gaga.

I was so stressed out by this halftime performance. I was with 30 people. Why?

Hold on. Why? Why?

My dad brought... We had old white people. We had young Hispanic people. It was just right away. We had old white people being like, I don't know anything he's saying. I'll be back in 10 minutes. Then they got to to walk back in to give us their thoughts.

All of your dad's friends talk like old-timey press people from the 1920s?

You should have seen my dad. My dad was the one. I liked it. My dad and all, like, What? My dad was trying to be an ally.

Last year, Kendrick Lamar bothered people with an aggressively Black halftime show. Did Bad Bunny then trigger people with an aggressively Brown halftime show? I've checked out on social media stuff, so I'm not looking for reactions. People were They were unhappy, Dan. They were unhappy by the same thing they were predicting, right? Kid Rock and all the fragile, anxious white people who were performing their alternate halftime show were doing so because they were afraid of the fact that none... It's not just that Bad Bunny went Hispanic. Look, that was a celebration of culture. It also did what best art does, okay? Because it moved people. If you care about heritage at all, that thing is the most Hispanic thing I've ever seen on American television. He went with his most Hispanic songs. He's so good that he doesn't even have to play some of his classics to reach over. He's like, No, I'm going all Latin, heavy Latin, and you want something not Latin? Here's Lady Gaga.

Do any of his songs have any English in them?

There's songs that he's collaborated with that have English in them.

But is he singing English?

No, very rare.

What was the reaction? Please tell me. I don't know. So The reaction was exactly what the predicted reaction was?

What demo are you talking about? Different reactions.

There is a song where Booker T says, Can you dig it, sucker?

It's called Booker T, by the way. That's right.

Was it popular? Yes, of course. Was it polarizing? Yes, of course.

It was all those things. A hundred %. It was everything to everybody. I know for at least Miami, this was the greatest Super Bowl halftime show of all time.

I saw dudes putting out videos on social media. They were crying just how much pride they felt. The people who loved it really loved it, really loved it. The people who you knew were not going to like it made up reasons why they didn't like it, but it's all so transparent. All right.

This required almost 10,000 theatrical pyrotechnics. It had 400 costume extras. The walking trees, the dancing trees- Good touch. Were paid $19 an hour for 70 hours of work. The trees all made $1,300 for the rehearsals and everything on game day, according to Darren Ravel. So he went, it's not just the dominoes, the waveras, it's not the cane fields. It's that all of it has never been seen before on mainstream American television. What are the most Hispanic things to ever appear on mainstream American television? Does Sabolo Higante count, given that it was on Spanish television in America, but it's not It's not on one of the networks. It's not being watched by this many people.

It is on one of the networks. It's just a Spanish language network.

No, I'm saying one of the big networks. You're saying one of the legacy ones. One of the legacy mainstream networks.

You mean the English-speaking ones? The big four. Yeah, because Univision and Telemundo are also on network television.

Yes, I'm saying the English-speaking ones because that event yesterday was an English-speaking event, and they stopped in the middle of it to go to a totally different language. It's what people are upset about.

Yeah, I can Hey, we're bringing this Russian guy over, and all of a sudden, it's all Russian. Everybody's like, What is he saying? I don't get it. But Spanish is the second language of the United States, if you really think about it. Per capita, with the amount of people that speak Spanish in this country, it's the second most spoken language in the country. And it was just such a cool moment for just looking across the room at everybody. We were in a place that had 30 people in it, and everybody was nodding their heads. Even people that didn't really listen to Bad Bunny were like, Holy shit, wow. The production was insane. The costumes The dancing. The-i was in the middle of it, I comments to my wife.

I'm like, this is amazing camera work. Because when they were up on the top of the platform there with the wedding going on, nobody bumped into anybody. The camera, man, it was incredible.

That was a real wedding, incidentally. That was two people got married during that ceremony. I actually had the anxious thought of really worrying for the people who had to splice in the video at exactly the right time that was clearly of him, tape falling through a roof.

I was arguing. I said it was tape. Everyone was like, That was a lot. I'm like, You guys don't know what else is.

No, that's where he would change clothes, I think. But he's got a couple of seconds to do it. I worried that the video team, that a video team would screw up the timing of that. It seems like that's a lot of pressure for whoever has to make sure that that video hits it exactly the right time.

A hundred %. It was not It was not long enough for him to have a wardrobe change. That's what the Lady Gaga set was for, was for him to be able to take the jersey off that he was wearing, put on the suit top. But Dan, even when he finishes that, he goes into what looks like a quinceañera or a wedding of some sort. He's got the kids sleeping on the chairs in the big jacket. That's our life. That's me as a 10-year-old kid at some wedding that I don't know the two people that my parents dragged me to. I'm like, Guys, it's 12: 30 at night. I'm tired. I'm going to lay down there. That's our culture. That's Miami's culture. That's Hispanic culture. To see that displayed on the big screen, you're looking and you're like, Wow, yes. Okay. This is us.

Jewish boys fall asleep at bar mitzvahs, too. Oh, yeah.

That's ours, too. Cool. I don't bring kids to the wedding.

Did a tribute to the 11-month blackout that Puerto Rico had, because I don't know if you think of this as a political statement, because I really did think of it as just celebration of heritage. But in these times, celebration of heritage is a political statement. One of those commercials, what? I don't know if it scared you guys as a dystopian commercial, they're not seeking dogs with whatever it is they're doing with your facial recognition there. Ice would like that information. That seemed dystopian to me watching- Oh, that's a trick. Oh, my God, is that a trick?

My wife wanted me to download it.

Don't do it. Oh, my God.

You had a big ahead.

Yeah, I watched that and was like, You've got to be kidding me.

It was all the old white people been like, Why are there light posts there? Then my Cuban sister-in-law has to be like, Well, actually in Puerto Rica, and just in the middle of a performance, she's explaining why there are light posts.

Their power grid is failing, and it has a lot to do. The song is actually called El Apargón, which is the shutoff, the lights turned off.

Yeah, the blackout.

Did you notice all the cameos, the celebrities who were there dancing. I got news from you, man. In case there was Pedro Pascal and there was Cardi B.

Pablo, as I like to call him.

I don't know if you caught it because it was really quick, but Jessica Jessica Alba? Yo, Dan, if you weren't aware of Jessica Alba, because she doesn't act anymore. She retired or whatever.

No, she runs a giant cosmetics business that makes her a lot more money than she ever made from Hollywood.

Well, I don't know if you're aware because she doesn't act anymore. Jessica Alba, still fine.

I'm sorry, what was that?

Update. You know what he said?

Ronald Acuña was in the middle there. Who else was there? The Ricky Martin thing. Many of you probably aren't old enough enough to even remember that the previous moment I think of, which is just slapping America across the face with Hispanic, was really the breakout performance of Ricky Martin at the Grammys, where the electrical current of him doing the music was larger than all of the other music being performed live. It's the last place I go to that felt like what it is that this was meant to feel like. But there was nothing controversial this. This was simply a celebration of heritage. This was just simply a party. If it's controversial, it can only be controversial to you because of the surrounding times around that stadium. It has nothing to do with the performance. The performance was benign. It was just doing what art is supposed to do.

Love over hate is controversial these days. Just to make that clear. That's what a lot of Conservatives had an issue with, the messaging. Why are you calling out our hate?

Then, of course, couldn't understand anything you were saying because I don't speak English. I got news to you. Like, Kendrick Lamar last year, I didn't understand the words.

Yeah, but they had the same complaints there. It's same reason, same stuff. It's the same thing.

No, but I can go past that. Make it whatever rock band. You tell me you go to a rock band show and you understand all the lyrics that are being said during the song?

Okay, no, but some of them. But some of them. I actually understand why people People would object to that. I do. It's just because you're closed-minded, you're entitled to be closed-minded. You have that freedom. But I understand if you made it, say, Russian or K-pop, and I didn't understand anything, it wouldn't summon cultural pride for me. But this is part of the nature of the divisions that are in front of you right now. That was an expensive show they put together.

It's music. I don't understand what anybody's saying. Doobie Brothers are the widest band of all time. That's what I'm saying.

That's Mike McDonald. He made a cameo. Super Bowl champion, Mike McDonald.

He made a cameo in three games.

I'm... Listen, I'm in for it.

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I think I'm entitled to them. You want answers? I want the truth.

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In a hypothetical, if I'm just saying to you hypothetically, while I can say, Sure, I don't understand a lot of the lyrics. There's not 100% guarantee before you start that I'm not going to understand any of the lyrics. That's never so if they're in English. I shouldn't even say American music because Puerto Rico is- America Jack. America Jack. But if it's Spanish, the starting point is, You're excluding me. I get why people might be threatened or fragile about that, but this man doesn't sing in English. He's just learned some English, and it's not great. He struggles in English.

On top of that, regardless of language, when you just pull out an act, last year was what, Usher? I think- That was Kendrick Lamar. It was Kendrick Lamar, okay. But A couple of years ago, there was an usher or some other thing. If you don't like the band or you don't like the person, they're already excluding you. Because if you're looking at it and be like, Oh, I don't really like... If they would have taken Metallica. I'm not a Metallica fan. I'm not a rock fan.

It should have been Metallica. San Francisco, how was it not Metallica?

Okay, sure. Whatever.

Another I'm not against Bad Bunny. How was it not Metallica?

Okay. If it was Metallica, I would have checked out. I've been like, Okay, they're excluding me. But I'm okay with that because I know what... I just don't like that music. Okay, it's not a big deal. I'm not going to go turn a Hispanic halftime show around.

Zazlo is speaking to something here when he brings up Metallica. That Goodwill Duncan commercial hit because it was for old people, correct? I liked it. I know, but it's the same reason you want Metallica. There is a certain nostalgia. Was that considered the best of the commercials?

Benson Boon, Ben Stiller for me.

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It's always funny. Put it on the poll at Lebitard Show, but especially when they're dressed like the character from Dodgeball. But yes, when people fall off something, is it always funny? Put that on the poll. And please, Lewis, do me the favor of getting that video of Ditton Paul Horning on stage when one of them falls off a stage because the other one slaps him on the back and just put it in picture and picture. I I thought we all liked finding dogs.

What's wrong with that? It's a great service.

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Really? You're surprised that you come from privilege?

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It's dystopian. When I saw that, I'm like, Oh, my God, they're this comfortable just doing it in plain view. This comfortable. They're wrapping it in lost dogs. Next move is going to be infants. If you lose your infant, they're just going to trick people into how it is they get your facial recognition.

Be glad that they told you because it's actually been something that they've had access to for a while now.

Yeah, that's true, too. Getting to the game for just a moment, okay? Because we had the conversation, Mike, this year about turnovers and is it recreatable, okay? And then Chicago caused more turnovers than any team in the sport this year, but they get to the playoffs, they caused zero turnovers. Seattle all season, turnover machine. Sam Darnal led the league in turnovers. They go the entire postseason without a turnover. First Super Bowl team ever. First Super Bowl winning team ever to go an entire postseason without a single turnover. And obviously, the game plan in that game, given you saw this early, right? The Patriots weren't going to be able to do anything. Sam, just don't throw the game away. If you could just not throw the game away, there's no circumstance under which Seattle will lose this football game.

Early on, it seemed like he was trying.

There was one pass early on, should have been a pick six.

It's rare where you come away from a Super Bowl and you ask yourself, was that team any good? That's how good the Seahawks were in this Super Bowl. I'm stunned that they were wire to wire dominant, and I'm really stunned at how bad Drake may looked. They were so far out of their depth. That was not a fair fight.

I think defensively, what Seattle was able to do with just rushing four and getting home with four and dropping seven in the back was It's like, All right, you're going to force a guy with a bad shoulder to make really tight window throws? And it just wasn't happening.

Well, let me address a couple of things here because we will talk about Mike McDonald and make him a star, and we will talk about Sam Darnold and make him a star. But John Schneider has now won two championships with no holdover players and a different coach. I don't think people know the architect of this football team, and he's now done it twice with two totally different things. When you mention the pressure with four, this part was funny to me, Zaz. Before Bad Bunny and the Half-Time show, these poor people or rich people who are doing the Half-Time analysis have about four seconds to talk. Oh, I noticed, too. It reminds me of the ABC, NBA halftime shows where it's like, get in and out. This is all about commercials. We're coming to all of you for 47 seconds total for all of you. And so somebody's analysis, I'm not making this up. I guess it was McCordy. I wasn't really paying attention. But I just heard one person's analysis because they're just shooting around everybody. Garret, all you guys. What do you got? Give it to me in four seconds. And guy's analysis was just, Will Campbell is getting his butt kicked.

And I felt so bad for Will Campbell's family.

It's hard for a nation at large to recognize battle line play.

He was getting his ass wet.

He was getting his ass kicked from whistle to whistle. That was so bad.

Well, did you guys see the stats, though? He allowed 14 quarterback pressures. No offensive lineman has allowed that many all season. That didn't happen one time. But for the analysis to be, Hey, you got three seconds here. I'm going to say McCordy because I was just half listening. But all of his analysis was just simply and accurately, Will Campbell is getting his butt kicked.

There was a hilarious moment in that game. It was just after the pinpoint accuracy parabola ball to McHollins. It looks like, okay, maybe New England figured this thing out. We have a backdoor opportunity. Give me some juice here. They're starting to move the ball, and Chris Collinsworth is like, Yeah, all right. They're starting to find their rhythm. And then Dreg May throws the worst interception possible, and it leaves Chris Collinsworth speechless to the point that he literally says, I've got nothing for you hear?

It was a bad throw. Getting back to the line play, though, that we don't talk about enough when these things happen, right? I don't think people understand how bad you have to be for everyone to notice that you're that bad. For example, Kenneth Walker had those good runs. Go ahead and tell me who had the good blocks on him. It's every offensive lineman's worst nightmare to have the game that Will Campbell had, where we're all noticing, Oh, my God, they're going to just cave in that side of the line all game. He's got no chance. He shouldn't be out there.

I think Kenneth Walker had the type of performance where you actually He stood out because of his patience, whether it be... I know that there was one famous one highlighted where he did the Le'Vion Bell, and then he shoots a very tiny gap. But all those screens, that was all patience. He was waiting for his blocks to set up. Sometimes there wasn't much of a lane. That's why I think he was a worthy MVP. I thought he was dynamite.

Can you guys look up for me? I think Justin Tuck one time against the Eagles had six or seven sacs in a game. It's the last time I felt that way for an offensive lineman. I don't even I remember who the offensive lineman was, but he was just totally ill-equipped. I think Tuck had six or seven sacs in a single game because they were never able to adjust to it, never able to fix it. To go an entire game or entire season that no offensive lineman has allowed that many quarterback pressures. And the worst part of it was that Drake May was unrecognizable because he got scared. That's what happened, and he should have been scared. He had no time. There were no answers. They couldn't leave enough people in. You can't go find Hunter Henry every time the way you did all season because Will Campbell was a turnstile. You cannot have four guys getting that much pressure when you've got five and six guys blocking them. That allows you only to send four receivers out into seven people covering them.

He was spuked from the jump. Will Campbell, there was one play, and I think it was after halftime, excuse me, where he gets a false start call on him. So So he's got the start. He beats the defender out of his stance, and then he gets pushed so far that it knocks over Drake May on a false start. And it's like, dude, how do you cover 10 feet of ground just getting pushed like that? They were talking about on the broadcast that his issue is he gets pushed so badly that he knocks into the quarterback. And that's what happened in one of the sacs. I'm trying to think of who it was.

It was right up the middle. Right up the middle.

Big white guy, 92, literally just has Will Campbell in one hand, grabs Drake May with the other hand, takes them both down. I was like, What is happening here?

Yeah, a lot of people are commenting today that McDaniels needs to get Will Campbell some help in that situation. You have to do something so that you have the number one defense in the league feeding like the sharks feel blood in the water, feeding because they know they've got your quarterback scared.

Why else is Austin Hooper on the roster?

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It is rare for you to see somebody who was one vote away from winning the MVP look scared and for you to understand, Oh, of course he's scared. How could he not be scared? Nothing is working, and they look incompetent in the first half, and he knows good and well, just like Seattle does, just like everyone watching on television, just like Lady Gaga and Bad Bunny know, Oh, Will Campbell can't block anybody here. They've got an offensive lineman there who might as well not be out there.

And the other thing, too, is you want to hit the quarterback early, right? And that's what we saw with Miami and Indiana, where they were ruffing up Mendoza early to try to get him happy feet in the pocket early to have off-balance throws. And you saw that from Drake May. There was a pass to the Hunter Henry that almost killed him, where he was way back on it. Pop Douglas had a back shoulder throw that he was laid on. So he wasn't setting his feet. He had happy feet in the pocket trying to make something happen, knowing that with four guys, he's getting pressure. And it's like, What do I do here?

I haven't had this feeling watching a Super Bowl in a long time, which is like, What the hell are they doing here? The last time I felt that way was in the mid '90s with the chargers against the Niners. I'm like, How did you make it here? Somebody stepped out of bounds. It wasn't good.

What are you doing here? Hold on, Mike. I'll give you the Patriots and Ram's Super Bowl that was '13, three, where the Rams and Jared Goff had absolutely nothing. I want to say off the top of my head, that was the same year that the Rams got the PI. That was egregious that they changed the rules.

I at least knew what they were doing there. It was a bad call.

No, and Todd Gurley got hurt, and they really needed him for everything that Goff was doing. And Gurley's career ended that career. But they were terrible, that's who they were. Yeah, but Gurley's career ended with whatever the injuries were that prevented him from playing in that game. He was the actual MVP for that team. To Mike's point, though, how did the Patriots get here? Okay. 14 and three, three losses by one score. One to the Steelers, one to the Bills, one to the Raiders.

They lose the Raiders.

Well, because they didn't play anybody.

I watched that game yesterday. I can understand them dropping one, a dumb one to the Raiders.

They didn't play anybody, and they lost their healthy offensive lineman a month ago. I thought the wheels were going to fall off then. They just fell off when they had to face the three best defenses back to back, and they won two of the games. They won two of the games because C. J. Stroud was terrible and because Jared Stittam is not a starting quarterback. Stick him. He's not a starting quarterback, and that's the reason they lost those games. I would have preferred, obviously, to see Denver in that game, or they could have just run it back, Rams and Seahawks, and I would have been fine with that. But did you guys see this? This made me laugh. They interview Vrabel at halftime, and He says, All we got to do is block, execute, attack, be aggressive, go find a way. None of that's helpful. None of it is helpful. Hey, Coach, what do we have to do? Block, execute, attack, be aggressive, and go find a way.

What are you confused by? I got exactly what the mandate was. What is it? Block, execute, aggressive, go find a way.

Attack, go find a way. I got it. Let's go. All right. But, Coach, Are our cornerbacks scared because we can't block their four guys?

That's why you said block.

Attack is useless there. Everything else is very helpful. Aggressive is very helpful. Got to be aggressive. I need to know that.

Aggressive. So block, execute, aggressive, attack, go find a way.

Attack is the only redundancy there.

I fell for so much BS before the game because the AFC had home designation, and Mike Vrabel wanted to do this road warrior mentality thing. So they wore all white, their road uniforms, despite them being the home team. It's largely why Fanatics was not ready for any of the Super Bowl merch. But they also opted. One thing that I caught during the pregame was they also opted for the road locker room. So any shot that they had of the Patriots, they were in the tiny road locker room that looked crappy. They willingly did that. And I'm like, Man, this team may just roll. They're all crazy like their head coach. And it turned out that they were crazy to think that they had a shot. They got rolled in this one.

And they turned to their coach, Coach, we need some advice. Nothing's working. Go find a way. All right, thanks, coach. Appreciate it. Go find a way. Make it happen. Will Campbell, go find a way. He didn't find it? No, he did not. Again, do you realize in a halftime show where everyone is talking for three seconds because they got to get to the next commercial in a hurry because everybody's watching the commercial, it's the only time all year that people are watching commercials. Everyone's skipping through commercials everywhere, but not on this day. The analysis is, Will Campbell is getting his butt kicked. If you're an offensive lineman, you dream all your life of playing in the Super Bowl, that is a horror. That is an uncommon horror to have everyone noticing you playing.

Do you just imagine his grandma sitting on the couch and hearing that?

Yes, because the thing is, the only time you notice an offensive lineman is when there are penalty flags, but there were no penalty flags in that game. It's just somebody getting devoured.

Yeah, why didn't he hold a couple of times?

There were no penalty flags in that game. So it's just we're all noticing someone's incompetent, and it's because of the pressures being allowed. It's not even the sacs. It's that he allowed 14 quarterback pressures.

That's so many.

I mean, it's more than any lineman has allowed this season. They played the entire season. There are a lot of bad linemen out there. There were plenty of games with plenty of sacs. That's the only one that's had one lineman getting four quarterback, allowing 14 quarterback pressures. And then the analysis from the halftime analyst is Will Campbell is getting his butt kicked.

On 43 attempts from Drake May, by the way, so 14 pressures on 43 attempts. It's a very good percentage.

Thank you, Tony.

Do you think when they call in the play, they're about to huddle up, and McDaniels calls in the play to his ear, it's another passing play. It's like, Shit.

I mean, did it not seem to you that Drake May was not only scared but unrecognizable? Stafford didn't look like that. Stafford beat that dude by one vote. Stafford didn't look like that against that defense. It looked incompetent and unhealthy. Like, at least surprising thing in the world that, yeah, I needed an injection before the game. I don't recognize the quarterback that's been playing for the last month. Jeremy, how many times has Drake May been sacked in the postseason. It was 20 what? It was 20 plus times that he was sacked. So the stat on Drake May, I've got it written down here somewhere.

I think it was 21, yeah.

But the stat on Drake May, he's played 33 games. It's 102 sacks and 24 fumbles. It's seven fumbles this postseason. 33 games, 102 sacks, 24 fumbles. That's four sacks a game, and that's nearly a fumble per game every time he's out there. That's not Stafford.

No, it's not. Stafford has a lot more help around him. That's pretty evident. Pukenacua, Devante Adams, Parkinson, Higby, Kyron Williams, Sean McVay calling it. Hunter Henry has been in the league for 10 years. Austin Hooper has been a punchline on our show for five years, and he's still in the league. Mac Holland's like, What are we doing? Stefan Diggs, okay, potential Hall of Fame career, no doubt, but not at this point in his career. That's not a lot of talent surrounding Drake May right now.

Did you see Mac Holland's get up arriving to the stadium yesterday? What was he doing? Hannibal Leclerc, right? He was Hannibal Leclerc.

He's got branding, and he did his job. He caught his shutdown. I got no problem with Mac Holland.

But coming in barefoot and with shackles on?

He always arrives barefoot. That's his thing. Thank God. Someone on that team had some life. Something to them.

Drake May was indeed sacked 21 times, and Dan It took 20 minutes, but I finally found the game you were referencing when you said Justin Tuck. It was Osi Umenyiora. He had six sacks in a game in September of 2007 against the left tackle Winston Justice of the Philadelphia Eagles.

I remember Andy Reid got crushed after that game.

So a 20-year-old reference. We speak Dan back here. We were on that wild goose chase forever. I'm like, He said Justin Tuck, but he was doing it from the inside. Could it be Grady Jarrett? No. Because when he said, he was like, I forget the kid's name. It was Winston Justice. We figured it out.

Osi Umenyiora. Tuck.

Thank you for doing all of the translations on that. I didn't get any of the names right while saying, I remember it.

We got there. Tuck did have- We found a way.

Yeah. The reason why you confused it is Tuck also had a big Sunday night football game, but it was against Washington. And since he would do most of his damage from the inside, there wasn't somebody to put that loss on. So I knew you were conflating it with another Sunday night football game.

Thank you. Winston Justice is the guy I was thinking of, and it's the last time I felt that bad for an offensive lineman of any kind because it's hard to notice them. And you can give Kenneth Walker the patient award because not since Le'Vion Bell has a running back run quite like that, where he's that patient in the backfield But we don't notice those offensive linemen when they're actually making the holes. There's only a couple of ways to notice them. They're allowing all the sacs or they're getting penalties. There were no penalties in that game. That was a clean game, And I think we can say without it being overreaction, right? Patriots were frauds. We can say it without it being an overreaction, correct? Because of everything Mike is saying here, where once their quarterback gets scared, you realize how little help he has.

Yeah, I wanted to push back against it, but I think you're probably right.

All you got to do is look at who they played this year. They didn't play anybody, right? There's a laundry list of coaches that they played that got fired this season.

Barely got past Denver two weeks ago.

Yeah, but they were 14 and three the way Darnold's Minnesota team was 14 and three, and then they got rid of Darnold. Darnold is now 31 and seven in his last 38 games.

There's nobody better. I mean- There's nobody better. There hasn't been a better stretch of that in a very long time.

31 and seven in 38 games, if only because he's Sam Darnold and everything happened last year in Minnesota, and then they lose in the playoffs exactly the way you thought, we make Sam Darnold a fraud, but he's not. And now the Patriots are? Because I haven't seen many 14 and 3 teams that get to be frauds. But Drake May is on one of them, and Sam Darnold was on the last one I saw. Because that Minnesota team was a fraud, too, and lost immediately in the playoffs. Drake Mays' misfortune. Drake Mays would have been better off just losing at Denver. Bo Nicks being healthy and just lose at Denver, and so you don't have to be... 21 sacks in three games? Is going to get the blame for that? But the organization and the offensive line, I know that guy's good. I know he is. Is.