Transcript of Skip Bayless In Studio, TNF, Playoff Baseball And Sad Max + Week 6 Picks and Preview

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On today's part of my take, we have skip Bayless in studio crazy never thought we'd see the day skip skip Bayless on the show got to the bottom of a lot of stuff with him. We also learned a new phrase that we'll be taking with us that I'm not going to. I'm going to tease it, not going to say it.

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Well, Brock Purdy has also never lost the Seahawks. I believe he's now 50 against Seattle.

That's a great stat.

Seattle turned into, like little mini San Francisco tonight. A lot of red in the stands.

Yeah.

49 ers jerseys. And. And there are 249 ers wives that were sent in front row.

Yeah. Kyle Usick and Akal youk's wife and George Kittle's wife. And they were able to. We had a double kittle and a youk touchdown.

Yeah, we had double kittle. And they both did the lambo leap into their wives arms.

It was awesome.

And then you shuck scored the fullback touchdown at the very end, which is awesome to see. And then he goes up. He does another leap to his kind of a simp move. Jumping twice for your wife.

Love it. Kai loves his wife.

Jumps into her arms, and then he gave her a kiss through his face mask.

Love that, too.

Which I've never seen before.

That's like getting in a fight with a helmet on, throwing a punch at someone with a face mask.

Yeah.

Same as kissing.

Do you think anyone, you think you've ever done it with the helmet on it? NFL player.

Yeah. Yeah. An NFL player, yes.

While wearing their respect.

Yeah. Spect our friends.

Yeah.

Yeah. NFL player. Yeah. For sure.

Helmet.

For sure. For sure. Absolutely.

But Rodrigo Brown. For sure.

For sure. For sure. For sure. Probably still to this day. Yeah. Brock Purdy's just good.

Yeah, he is.

He has wheels. He's moving around. He's throwing guys open.

Yeah, he's good. I just hope that Kyle doesn't start doing the thing where it's just all Brock pretty all the time.

Well, they, they had a hat to cause. Jordan Mason obviously got hurt tonight. He was having a hell of a game. And, yeah, I mean, the 49 ers are good. I wasn't worried about the 49 ers. I am worried about the Seahawks. I think their defense has problems and it's got injuries, but it's also got problems and it feels like three weeks in a row we've just watched the same Seahawks game where they're down and Gino is trying desperately to get them back in at that pick he threw. That basically ended the game. That was tough. And, yeah, it just, Seahawks are just in this spot every like, if you just turn on the fourth quarter of a Seahawks game, they're down anywhere between five and twelve points and Gino is desperately trying to get the ball down the field.

Yeah, I think when we said that that was a statement loss that they had to the Lions on Monday Night Football. I think the statement was just like, I think we should quit on the season.

Yeah, it is.

They've, they've looked like a completely different team the last couple weeks.

Yeah. And again, they do have a bunch of injuries. I do love those uniforms, though. Whenever they put on these uniforms, I'm like, man, the Seahawks, this is so much fun. That's a uniform they should keep. They just wear that all the time. Even changing the logo. I love when teams change the logo. I thought the best middle of the.

Field, the throwback, was awesome. I love the, the old school Seahawks logo, but the old school Seahawks fonthe is awesome, too. It's like 1980s. You see that font and you're like, I am in the eighties. That's Steve large and out there.

Yeah. So as much hand wringing as there was about the 49 ers start, they are on top of the NFC west.

And maybe getting Christian back.

Maybe getting Christian back. So what was the vague report? Let's go to our big matchup next week against the Chiefs, the 49 ers. That's going to be fun. What, what are the walls say?

I don't know what the walls are saying. The wall said that after week six we'll probably know. But on the broadcast they said that they talked to Kyle and they were hoping, you know, three or four weeks maybe, but they're not sure. And that's an injury like that with the calf. And he said they went out with a calf injury week 17 last week. You can, you know, figure out the calf and achilles are close. You just never know with that. So very vague, updated report of, like, they're hoping for four to five weeks, but anything could happen.

So I'm confused. Even retired, did the walls talk to Shanahan or did the walls talk to a different source, a different person?

It's the original walls. The walls haven't. Haven't changed anything from the original reporting.

Correct.

Was this walls in Tiananmen Square?

No.

The protest?

No.

Okay. All right.

The 49 ers ran the ball fucking down their throat. I know that it's a little inflated from that last run by Guerrindo, but. 6.9 yards per carry, 228 yards, is. That's. That's. That's bully ball.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah. And Jordan Mason was going to. I mean, Jordan Mason was on pace. He had nine carries for 73 yards.

The Niners got a lot of weird injuries again tonight, though. They had Jordan Mason with the shoulder.

Kiddo with a p, shot it up.

At halftime, tried to play. Played one play. I believe it was like, nope, I shouldn't be playing football with whatever it is I have. And then what was kittle?

A pee? Yeah.

Oh, he had to pee.

Yeah. Yeah.

To just piss your pants.

Yeah.

Come on, George.

Yeah. Deebo. Yeah, with the stinger.

Debo. With the Stinger shaking his hand out.

And then some offensive lineman.

And they also lost another kicker. And their kicker is a backup kicker.

Oh, that was the kicker. Not. Yay. That was the kicker, not the punter. Yeah. Yeah.

The kicker at the end. So now they're. They gotta go find another kicker again.

Get Janikowski back out there.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Get the big polo.

He could fucking kick.

Yeah.

He was. He was the. He was the original. I can kick it from anywhere, guy.

Get, uh. Get Doug fluty doing some drop kicks out there.

What? Uh. I'm trying to think who. Which team has a good kicker that's not playing well. I guess those kind of don't go together. But, like, what would the. Would the Cowboys lose? Cowboys start losing, they trade Aubrey for, like, a third rounder.

Dicker.

Dicker's kicker.

Get Dicker up there.

Get Dicker the kicker. That was enough football talk. We got more football talk coming up with NFL week. Six picks and preview. Let's talk some playoff baseball. You know what? Let's talk about the other series. First, the Yankees advance. So we have. Maybe we were the problem with New York City boys, because Monday is shaping up to be an all time city day in New York City. You got the Mets at 04:00, you have the Yankees at 07:00, and then you have the jets playing the bills. Both New York City teams, kind of New York State and then New Jersey playing at 815. It's the center of the world.

Yeah.

Finally ESPN. Finally Stephen A. Smith can, can say who he's rooting for.

Yeah, it's going to be fun, I guess if you're a New Yorker. For everybody else, we're going to be like, okay, enough, New York.

Yeah, but it hasn't happened in a while.

It hasn't happened a while. The liberty, they're not playing right on Monday.

I don't know if they're playing on Monday. Also, we talked about pinstripes. I think Giancarlo gets his pinstripes for this series alone. He basically staved off the Royals and was like, nope, it's not going to end now, because he was, he was awesome the last two games in Kansas City. And we also had the rare. The rare. Oh, liberty. When is that? Game three. When's Sunday? Sunday. We had the rare benches clearing conversation. That was cool.

Oh, I didn't see that part.

Yeah, they had a benches clearing conversation.

I liked.

I liked. They just talked.

Did anybody come out of the dugouts?

Yes.

Okay. Did they sprint out of the dugouts?

I. It was kind of like.

You mean you say bullpen?

Yeah, I meant to say bullpen.

I don't think the bullpen. I think it was the dugouts. So is benches clearing conversation. It was a bang bang play at second base, and they just, they were like, hey, that's wrong. And then another guy came out and said, hold on, wait a second. You don't say that to my teammate. You're wrong. And then they all just stood around.

Basically just talked it out.

It's Max. It was very funny. I like the benches clear in conversation. Just, everyone had to get in on the conversation.

I've been watching a lot of old school, like, eighties baseball clips recently. It was a different sport at second.

Baseball. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't even, it wasn't even like a dangerous play or anything. It was just kind of like, hey, guys, let's all come out and have a conversation real quick. Yeah.

I think that guy even said, my bad. And the other guy's like, it's okay.

Yeah, the bullpen came out.

The bullpen. I love. I love it when the bullpen catchers get up and sprint out onto the.

Field, but they just sprinted to have more of a conversation.

Then they sprint onto the field. Then they stand at the back of the big crowd.

There wasn't even really a shove thrown like it was. Sometimes you get like chest to chest looking like our friend Jimmy Tatro when they have the fights in real bros. We didn't even really get that. Just a nice little conversation.

Like somebody said the f word and now it's like, okay, we all have to come out here and say the f word.

And then the other two series, we have game five for both, which I'm very excited for. Padres. Hugh Darvish, going back to laden. That's going to be a great game. Do we know who's starting for the Dodgers yet?

It was not up earlier when I checked. I'll check again. It was not up.

And then I know college football Saturday is loaded, loaded, slate. And it's going to be great. I'm so excited for scuba to pitch game five.

Yeah, that's going to be great. But that's his moment with the Padres game. I like the new wrinkle that's been added to it because we talked about Ken Rosenthal's column where he called. Let's see, what do you say? He was a dancing, strutting peacock. We're talking about Fernando Tatis.

Yep.

And then he said that jerks and profar is the kid that pulls the fire alarm. Acts like it's a joke again. That kid's awesome. And then the Padres were like, well, guess what, Ken Rosenthal. We're not going to do weird bowtie interviews during the games.

Love that.

So we've got a big J versus MLB team beef going on right now.

I love that.

I'm also just excited to see the Padres go back to LA and piss everybody off.

Yeah. And it's, uh, we also have, it happens every October, people being like, why are they, why are they drinking champagne after winning one series? I love the celebrations. I always are meant for the celebrations. You need to drink after every single series.

Yeah, I'm as 162 games, general rule of thumb, if you're allowed to get drunk at work, you should get drunk at work.

Yeah, it's fun. So two game fives. So excited to see scuba pitch because that's just like everything I expect and know from scuba. He's going to, he's going to, he's going to fucking be a hoss. He's going to be a give me the ball for the whole whole game. But that's going to be great. Nothing better than a couple game fives. We also had the Phillies in the Mets series end. Max is back. Max, do you have something for us?

Phillies lost a game. They looked like shit. It's the exact same thing that went on from 2009 to 2011 of the Phillies. And then they had ten years of nothingness. So it looks like it's going to be a lot of the same.

That team won a World Series.

I said 2009 to 2011.

I know, but that they won a.

World Series in 2008.

I know, but that team. I'm saying that team had won a World Series.

I said 2009. 2009, they went to the. They went to the World 2009 team.

Did not win a World Series.

That team had won a World Series. The guys on that team from 2009 to 2011 had won a World Series.

Correct.

But 2009, they went to the World Series, lost. 2010, they went to the NLCS, lost. 2011, they went to the NLDs, lost.

Right, but you see what I'm saying?

But what I am saying. Yes, it is the same speaker three had.

They had a, like the 2009 to 2011 stretch. Like they had done something, they had earned something.

Yeah. In 2008, they. They. Something.

Yeah, but that carries over.

But that's not what I'm saying. I'm sorry. What I'm saying is that, like, it is just a downhill spiral.

Got it. But with no world series. Yeah.

And what makes this even worse is the fact that at that first World Series, you thought yourself, like, this team is built to win a World Series at some point.

And then the other weird part about it is 2011 was supposed to be the best team of them all, and then they had the best record. This is the best record of this little stretch. It's the same thing. The guys are getting older and you.

Didn'T win a World Series.

Didn't win a World Series. So many people just didn't show up. It's the same thing of last year, is like, one game. They can't carry over momentum from one game to the next.

You got screwed.

Pen is insane. The bullpen had like. Was a top five bullpen. Baseball this year. All of a sudden we get to the postseason, they pretend like they don't know how to pitch. JT Realmuto doesn't have a single hit in the entire postseason. Trey Turner hits 200. Kyle Schwarber after his first home run, he gets one bloop single. Other than that, nothing.

What did you say? What did you say after he hit that home?

You know what? I don't give a fuck. I don't take it back at all.

I love that.

You should every, like, if you're scared to agree to be excited over a. Yes over a lead, off homer against the fucking Mets.

Yeah.

The only person in that room.

Yeah.

I was outnumbered, and I tried and I tried to call my shot, and I missed. I don't give a fuck.

Max. Yes. I'm 100% on your side. There's nothing worse than what's happened in this culture. These days of the old takes exposed in the middle of a game because you're rooting for a team or rooting for a game and commenting in the middle of a game. That's just what fans do. They root for their team. You shouldn't have to apologize for it.

Yeah, no, I don't.

Did it go poorly after that? Yeah. Yeah, but that shouldn't be an apology.

Yeah. And it was war. Like, in the moment. It was like, holy shit. Lead off. Batter, bomb. We have our ace on the mound.

We're not the mentally tough.

And also brewers fans being like, oh, we. We fought them. You did the same fucking thing that we did. You're like. Because I kept saying, like, we're not. We're not the brewers. And. And they're like, yeah, you. You're not the brewers. We at least gave them a harder fight. Like, what the fuck does that mean? You lost. We lost.

Also, you know, you say to brewers fans, we at least won a World Series in 2008.

Facts.

Yeah.

And we would beat the shit out of the brewers.

Yeah, you would. That's the worst part.

And the Mets are too fucking good. They're really fucking good.

They are a team of destiny.

And I. And I've said it, and I'll say it again.

Oh, my.

The only thing that I'm rooting for in this baseball season. Mets, Yankees, and the Yankees to beat the absolute fuck out of the Met. Because that's the only way that Mets fans will be upset at the end. At the end of this run.

Would you rather a sweeper loss in game seven?

You want sweet.

I want them to be like, maximize pain. No, because then they'll be. They can build off of that.

It bet. Yankees sweep Mets. Those probably.

No, because then it wondez. What Yankees fans should be upset that this is what I want to happen.

Because it won't, you know, you don't get the things you want to happen to happen.

And, Max, you had a tweet yesterday. Last night after it was over, you said, I may have to quit this company. I keep thinking I can't have worse losses on stream. And then they just keep happening.

Yeah.

So, like, the Mets factor of it.

Was like, they're just. And they just get every clutch hit.

But you're not, you're not quitting.

And oh, my God, if that.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Fans, if that foul ball happened, I had every Mets fan, you can see the strike zone. In today's baseball watching experience, they show you where the strike zone is. They still complain about pitches that are outside of that strike zone being called balls. I was fighting with that, them the entire week, and I was like, there, it's outside of the zone. You can see the zone. Mets fans suck. You guys fucking suck.

Alright, so you just turn to memes. When you said that you did block memes on Twitter last, he was doing.

Too many memes and I was in a bad spot. I was in a bad spot. Too many memes.

I appreciate the fact that you blocked him, not because he was tweeting at you, not because he was tagging you. Just didn't want to see his memes on the timeline.

I'm with you on all this, Max.

I unblocked him in the morning.

Did I?

Just. Last night, I was. It's good we're talking about this now. Last night I was in a very.

Yes. Not having to talk. Yes. Getting a little bit of time is good. And you, you in that moment, it's the worst. You, you. I was like, yes, you should block him. He's memising too much. He was doing a lot of memes.

Wait, memes, did you follow him back after he unblocked you? Because when you block someone, you don't follow them anymore.

I don't think so, but I'll go.

Do it right now. That's nice. He's good.

This is good. Peace treaty.

Yeah, I like this a lot. So, Max, you were not taking it.

Correct, looking at you and I said, you guys fucking suck. You were actually very respectful during this, during this whole run.

Yeah. Quitting or not not quitting.

I'm not quitting.

I never said that I was quitting. I said, I may, I, I may have. And then every Philly fan in my replies was like, please quit. Please quit.

That's mean. Max, we love you. We missed you. I felt bad for you. I really did. Do you want to address the butt crack? Not just the butt crack, the torn underwear.

Those are like, it was like a five dollar pair of underwear. It was like an old pair of underwear I thought would bring good luck.

Okay, so can we put that clip into the. Can we put that. No, we pull that clip on.

I was actually so pissed off about that.

Yeah. What?

No, we're not.

Why?

Because YouTube. No, no, but it will put in the rumble.

No. Come on, put the. Show us a clip. Pull it up.

No, no.

Why?

There's zero chance I would.

Memes, can you pull it up? Nope. I didn't even know there was a. There's a picture of his ripped underwear. Yeah.

So what is it about this underwear?

That's not rip.

There's a massive hole.

Max, come on. The people want to see.

Everyone has old under old fucking underwear, Max. No one else is fat that you get to fucking see it when you stand up.

But why is it. Why is it your lucky underwear?

I don't know. There's just lucky.

Go pull it up. The people have to see it. No, Max, it's for the aws, not for you. It's bigger than you know.

I. There's no chance I had that. I was so pissed off that, like, our own accounts were fucking tweeting that last night. Like, I went through so much fucking shit in that room. What?

That's why you were there for my fucking asshole.

What?

Max, I mean, you understand. That's where you're drawing the line. If you're on a live stream and.

You'Re getting mad and your underwear pops.

Out and you got a hole in it, do you think people are not going to clip that?

There's so much other shit that was.

Going on in there.

I got fucking smoked in the head by a fucking hat by another asshole. And more people were talking about my fucking butt crack. Yeah, shut. Holy shit. Fucking sound the alarm that I have a fucking ass crack that comes out. Jesus Christ.

It was partially the ass. Partially the rip in.

Yeah, it was a rip.

Every single person has old underwear that they wear.

It was also the face that you had right. Right before you hit the camera out of Duke's hand. The face. I just like the face that you had. It was just, like, pure, like, things you see. It was like a road rage video.

I also love the idea of big jays listening to this podcast to see what Skip Bayless is, and they. They're sitting through.

Max. All right, I gotta. I gotta watch the video just so I can really, guys. Oh, my God, I love you so much. Max.

Max, I. I'm very upset, though, because I didn't see any of the overalls.

Mmm.

You had.

You had lucky overalls. You had brand new overalls.

Yeah, no, I thought about it a lot, and I just kept going back to remembering how I felt in the old overalls, and I was like, I can't. I can't have this again. I can't have this. Like, it was such bad vibes the first time. Why would I rewind the bad vibes?

Better or worse vibes than you felt seeing everyone talking about your asshole?

Can I just. Can we watch the video? I want to watch the video.

That's great. You can watch it right there.

I'm watching it.

I'm watching it, too. The face that he does is just the best face. I want to get it framed.

And you're sitting. You're sitting. Baby, baby mode on the ground. Did you damage that camera?

It was phone.

And I apologize to him right after. Like, when I get people who think that this shit's an ag. It's just. It fucking. It just happens.

It's. Yeah.

And it was a fair ball.

It was. You were right.

True.

You were right on that.

Like, it was a justified explosion.

I can't. Oh, my God. All right, so, Max, where do we go from here? You got a chain.

You got it.

The wonderware would be a good first.

I mean, kind of the whole point of wearing overalls is that they go over all, including your on.

You have to. We have. We have to move on from this.

It was. What? Did you. Did you. Did you break the chair?

No, I just, like, slammed it.

Did you know. Did you know in the moment that. That your butt crack was out, I.

Will not be addressing.

Max. Do you know what phase the moon was in last night?

I love that. We were planning on, like, organically. We're gonna talk about it. We knew that Max was getting upset at some point. I thought it was gonna be just about the Phillies feeble effort. Little did we know is about his ass crack. He didn't think he was gonna have to address the ass crash.

Max heads has the headphones off right now, so I will say I think he's correct.

What?

I think he. I think he's right.

About what?

About the future of the Phillies.

Like, yeah, no, no, he's right. And they don't have a World Series.

Yeah. This feels like it's. You know, we can. We can try to turn the page on this chapter. The Phillies right now.

Memes, I can watch that end of that video. I'll say this, Max, the ass crack was not the highlight of the video. The highlight of the video. I know. I'm just gonna say it to him, though. Anyway, the highlight of the video was your face. Fucking bullshit.

Memes, how happy are you?

Yeah, memes, congrats.

I'm excited.

This is one of those runs. What is he doing right now? He is on Twitter. I saw a picture of the Rizzler. Okay.

Timeline cleanse.

He's taking a timeout. Are. He's back. He's back. This makes all the shitty years of watching worth it, this type of run. Yep. It happened in 2015. It's kind of happening now. Just every time you take the route, they just. Something special happens. I know people don't want, like, it's hard, from a national perspective, to root for the Mets, or be like, oh, I'm happy for the Mets. I am happy for the Mets. Mets fans are tortured. No, he take it off again.

Yeah, no, I.

Would you rather be talking about Mets fans being tortured or the ass crack? Max, what is he looking at now?

Continue.

Okay. They are. They're tortured. They're a torture fan base, so it is. It's fun to see them have this run, and it seems like there's just something about playoff baseball. They have just every big hit, every big out.

They got some magic going on. There's definitely some magic going on.

Grimace, they got.

Yeah, Grimace. And also shout out to all the fans that show up to baseball games wearing the full on grimace outfits. Yeah, I know. They're the knockoff Grimace outfits. I don't think that they're actually McDonald's. I think they're, like, party city grimaces. That's got to be a very inconvenient way to watch baseball game. Those mascot eyes. But they're doing it. They've got grimace. They've got. They've got the song memes. How's that song go?

Oh, my God. We had the game. That's too.

What's that?

We just didn't lose in June.

Oh, the game mats. Okay, got it.

The game. Mets. OMG. Mets. Seymour Weiner, who's at opening day.

The game at.

Yeah. And Jorge Lopez happened this year when he threw his glove into the stand and said, I'm on the worst team in the league.

Yep.

And they were 22 and 35 at that point, and then turned the season around at that point.

It's in hock to. This is kind of crazy, because, like, Steve Cohen, the owner, this team isn't really. Does he have his fingerprints all over it, or is it kind of, like just magic in a bottle where it got. The team got forced into this weird set of circumstances where this is your starting line now, and they all kind of caught fire at the same time?

I will say they all caught fire at the same time, because there's a lot of expiring contracts on this team. It was kind of glued together. Yeah. And half of our salary is down in Texas with the Rangers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was the end of the sense.

Okay. Yeah.

We gotta work on periods. Yep.

Ah, Max, let's finish it before we get to picture. Preview. It's. It's gonna get better. You're you. We love you. It's gonna get better. It's gonna get better. Whatever.

Yeah, whatever.

Hey, tell him it's gonna get better.

It's gonna get better.

It's gonna get better.

But how matter you at Hank right now, Max?

I was rooting for the Phillies. I actually.

I don't give a fuck who you fair.

And as you shouldn't.

So is that a very mad Hank?

No, I just. Let's get to picture previous.

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Game time. Okay, boys, week six of the NFL, we're ready to go. I feel good. We have a good, a good even slate of the early game, obviously Bears, Jaguars, and we're going. Then we have six, I believe, then four, then one.

We also have a good slate of buys this weekend. I like it when it's very evenly split between good teams and bad teams. In the bye week so this week we've got the Chiefs on a by, Rams on a by, Dolphins on a by, and the Vikings on a bye. The Rams won the bye week.

Yeah.

They're the bye week winners.

Chiefs. I mean, it's.

Well, they're on.

We keep forgetting that.

Never count out Patrick.

Five and. Oh, and just rolling. Yeah.

If the royals somehow do some work during the bye week, then I will say that the. That Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have won the bye week. Yeah. But, yeah. The Rams need this by getting healthy.

They did. Big time. All right, so let's get into.

We need to buy from the Dolphins, too.

Yeah, absolutely. That would be fine if they just didn't come back.

Yeah. How long would it take you to notice?

It would be at least a week if.

I think I could go a week. I think maybe when Tua comes back.

There are certain teams that go on the by, and I forget that they exist. That happened with the Titans and the Chargers this week.

You have to remember the Titans.

The Titans. You gotta remember the Titans. But, yeah, if the Dolphins didn't play next week either, I don't think I would fully realize it for another week.

Yeah.

And then I'd be like, oh, shit. Because they're just. It's not even like a. You can't even make the fantasy argument because all those guys stink now without tua.

Yeah. So this is. I think it's good bye week.

Yeah. Goodbye week. Okay, let's get it going. Jaguars at Bears in London. The Jaguars. Hopefully everyone's okay from Hurricane Milton. Have some. I think they were delayed by a little bit, so they usually go Thursday. Bears went on Monday.

I think Mark.

Jaguars are end up going on or are gonna go later on Thursday. There's a must win for the Bears.

I would say so, yeah, you gotta. This is. This is the meat of your schedule, right?

This is the. This is the. You gotta make some hay. Time.

Gonna dive into that meat right now.

I do think the Bears defense will give Trevor Lawrence some issues. I also. I don't know if you guys agree with this, but there's something about, like, there's teams, when the urgency. When they're. When they haven't won a football game, the urgency gets really high. They win the game. Doug Peterson said it himself. There's a weight off our shoulders now. I'm in. Yeah.

I think go against you, Doug Peterson is. He's like black and white when it comes to lying and telling the truth.

Yeah.

I think anything that Doug Peterson says before a game that week is a lie. Everything that he says after the game is usually the truth.

Yes. Yes. And so this week, except for, again, the good conversations.

Good conversations.

And before and after games.

Well, maybe it was a good conversation. The fact that they had a conversation.

Yeah.

And it's important to communicate with people.

That's true.

So this week, I think he's lying about Tank Bigsby.

Okay.

Because Tank Bigsby has outperformed ATN at running back, and they're asking him, well, are you going to give more carries? He's like, no, he just had a good game. Like, that's how this league works. You don't just give a guy more carries because they had a good game. That actually is usually how football works.

Yeah.

If your hand plays well, then you give him more carries. So I have a feeling that he's lying about that.

I am a little nervous about Tank Bigsby and Etienne because if you, there's one thing the Bears defense could get a little better on is run defense at times. But I must win a calebs looked better and better. Must win. Can't lose the Jaguars can't lose it. Can't let the Jaguars win their game next week. I have a stat for you Pft from Betlabs. It's really good. Speaking of the, like, weight off your shoulders after a win and when you get deeper into the season and you're, you're winless. So teams in week six or later, coming off their first straight up win of the season are 45 and 82 straight up. So 35% in their next game. Okay, this is obviously a two point line. So, yeah, they could cover and lose straight up. But it, there's something to be said behind the feeling of, oh, we won one. We can have a sigh of relief. We're okay.

Also, because a team that waits that long to get their first one usually isn't that great.

No, definitely not. Definitely not. So I, and I don't think the Jaguars are very good. And I would be a very sad boy if the Bears lose this game because, again, it's a must win.

It is a must win. You got, you have to stack your wins now.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I remember the first game that, that I went to here in Chicago. Remember that? We went to the airs Jaguars game and it was rainy, it was shitty.

We did, you were in a, you, you were in a wheelchair. We did a, we did a preview of the game in a Porta potty.

I think we were vaping in the Porta potty.

Yep.

Hot box to port a potty with uncle chaps, that that might have been one of the worst NFL games ever to go to.

That was pretty tough.

I would put that one right up there with that Jets Broncos game that we saw earlier this year.

Yes.

People will ask me like, oh, have you ever been to a game at soldier? And I tell them that story. I'm like, yeah, it makes me never want to go back.

And we had the worst seats. I think we intentionally made it the worst experience.

Yeah, we did. We tried. We were doing that as like, kind of a bit, but like, it was two not good teams and, yeah, you were in a wheelchair.

I was in a wheelchair at the time. Yeah, that was, that was because we.

Had gone to the NLCs the night before and you walked and further. Brooke broke your foot.

My foot got more broken. Well, and then they dug into it and they didn't discover a fracture once.

They did the surgery, but it was pretty much broken.

Broken is basically a broken foot. But yeah, I think I agree with the big cat. This is a must win week for the Bears.

Jaguars defense is bad, too.

Their offensive line didn't look bad last week, though. They look good last week, in fact, the Jaguars.

Yeah, but I think they have some guys.

Some guys. And also Trayvon Walker, the most forgotten number one overall pick of all time. He had a big week last week, too, so their defensive line can get at it. But again, I like, I like the Bears this weekend. I'm with you on that one. There was a little bit of an update to the Tom Brady acquisition story from the Bears. Okay. The McCaskey family confirmed it. They're like, yeah, we were in the beginning stages of conversation, or we got it. We wanted to be in the conversation for Tom Brady. But do you remember what the outcome of that, of not getting Tom Brady was? You guys got Nick Foles.

Yes.

Also Jaguars legend.

Yes. Nick Foles and Andy Dalton later. And yeah, it all worked out.

A lot of dominoes.

It all worked out. It all worked out. Okay. Going to the regular slate Cardinals at Pat. By the way, just as an aside, I hate the, having your team playing the London game because not only is it like because the, usually the 830 game I will, I'll watch on my phone, half watch, trying to spend some time with the family. Like, I'm aware of what's going on, but I'm not like, fully fully glued in because I know that it's a long Sunday. If I'm letheme, obviously this one, I'm fully glued in and this is a complete, like, the risk of losing this game and then having to just sit there all day. All day. It's similar to playing the first game on Thursday of March madness. If you lose that, it's so disastrous. If you win it, it's free, free football the rest of the day.

It's great day.

Yeah, but I don't like, I don't like having that.

If you lose it, you might also, people might just forget about that overdose the course of the day.

Yeah, but it sticks in the back of your head and you're like, God damn it, how we lose that game. So you got to win this game.

You know, last Sunday, I think it was statistically the longest NFL day ever because the, the rain delay at the night game.

Yeah.

So it was the longest day of NFL football we've ever had.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cardinals and Packers. Cardinals off a win. Packers. They're good. Jordan Love, is he fully healthy? Here's what I think will happen in this game. I think the packers are going to win. I think they're going to win semi easy and I think it's going to be because Jordan Love has gotten healthier and is going to stop being in shotgun every single possession, every single snap.

Okay. That makes sense.

He's good at play action and I think that's the last step of the packers offense coming back. And they also, you saw it on Sunday. They were getting the tight end involved. They're going to run the ball. I just, the Cardinals defense is, they played great in the second half against the 49 ers. But I just like a team that comes off a huge, huge win has to travel. I'm going to, I'm going to go against that team.

I think Jordan loves getting better. He got better over the course of the last game.

He's been doing that in every game. Yes, he did. The first time. First game he came back, it was three bad quarters, one good quarter. This time it was two bad quarters, two good quarters. You'd assume just one bad quarter this time.

Yeah. So he, they went down 14 to seven after that hilarious interception.

Yep.

That like slapstick interception. And then he completed twelve of his next 13 passes.

Yeah.

Right after that.

Dobbs, I believe is back, which. That was a weird. Yeah.

So what's going on with Dobbs? Dobbs, from my understanding, he skipped practice, which. That fucking rocks in the NFL to just skip practice.

Yeah.

That's something straight out of high school where you're like, I don't feel like it, or my buddies are going to go smoke by the steps. So I'm just not going to go to practice. It's like a very high school thing to just be like, you know what? Fuck it.

Yeah. Not going.

I'm not going to work.

I don't know what's going on because it feels like there might be something. Mental health. I don't know. Because they had to go check on him to make sure everything was okay. And then what? He got. He got suspended for one game.

Yeah.

By the. By the team. So maybe he's back and. Okay. I don't know. In Christian Watson, possibly. I thought I saw.

I saw Christian Watson saying something good about Dobbs. No, I'm saying we're glad to have him back.

Christian Watson might play. Oh, yeah, he did. Christian Watson came to his defense, and Christian Watson returned to practice.

Okay.

So the packers could be getting a lot healthier, better. I think you're going to get, barring the weather, a Packers offensive explosion, because.

I feel like you're the same way as I am about this type of stuff. But has there ever been a game that you've watched between two teams and then that that game stays in your memory for so long that it affects how you see all the other matchups?

You're talking about the shootout.

I'm talking about the shootout.

The shootout.

So I'm expecting a lot of points in this game.

Yeah.

Because of that playoff shootout. Was it Kurt Warner? Warner against Ron Rogers? Yeah. And that was one of the coolest games that I've ever watched. It was just points. Points, yeah.

It was like 49 48 or something.

Yeah.

I don't know what the final score.

When I see these two uniforms on the field at the same time, I just. My. My brain goes back to that game.

Yeah.

And I expect there to be a lot of points.

Wait, not that one. Wait, was it 26 20? Why did my. Oh, I think they played the playoffs.

Right. There's a playoff game between packers.

Oh, yeah. 51 45. There it is. There it is. 5145. Yeah. That was the shootout game. That was the crazy game.

Yeah. So I see these colors on the field at the same time.

I agree.

And I'm like, okay, it's gonna be points factory.

Yeah. I'm trying to think if there's any others that I can think of off the top of my head. Oh, I guess. Chiefs, Rams.

Yeah. From that Monday night.

Yeah. That one's a good one.

That was a great.

Chiefs, Rams.

I mean, Jags, Titans. But I'm always right about that one.

Bengals, bills for a different reason.

Yep.

I should expect someone to need CPR. Mm hmm. See my head? It does for Demar. That. That's just a fact. Yeah, that's good point. I didn't, I didn't think about it. But you're right. You're right. Points.

And it's not this weekend, but it's next that call of duty comes out, right?

Yeah.

And Kyler. I'm credited to Kyler for doing a call of Duty commercial, for doing an advertiser.

Gotta lean into it.

Lean into it.

Gotta lean into it. Okay. Next up, commanders at Ravens. Pft.

Yes.

This is a very big game. Yes. This is a measuring stick game.

I like that. I like measuring stick. I've seen people saying passing of the torch game.

No, I think it's a measuring, measuring stick.

It's not.

It could be a passing of the torch game in retrospect, but I think going into it, like, yeah, it could be. We could look five years from now and be like, that was a passing the torch game. I think going into it, it has to be measuring stick.

Yeah.

So pass. People are talking about passing the torch. Is this the. The week that Lamar Jackson finally surpasses Jaden Daniels as the better scrambling and passing quarterback? I think it's too early to say that.

Okay.

I like the measuring stick game. I'm still dealing with my PTSD, my post traumatic Snyder disorder, where I still feel like going into every single week. This is the week that it all falls apart.

Yeah.

I do think that the Ravens offense.

Is the best in the league. Best.

Yeah, it's the best in the league. Our defense, I don't. I don't think that what we saw for the last two weeks can be expected to be the defense that we're going to see moving forward, but I don't think we're going to be as bad as we were in week one.

Yeah.

And I'll be. I'll be okay with that. Like, this is a game. This is a potential statement loss for the commanders this weekend.

It's an interesting game because the commanders, as great as Jaden Daniels has been, and he's been great, a lot of their offense working has been the run game being so effective, and the Ravens run defense is very, very good. So it's like, this could be a game where Jayden Daniel has to do, like, a little more, and I think he will. I also think this is a good spot, though. Pft. Because you have Ravens off of Sunday Night football, big win against the Bills, overtime.

Yep.

77 snaps for the offense last week for the Ravens. And then you get them on a noon game. I don't know. I think it's good spot.

Now, if. If we win this game, I will say all the reckless things that I've been thinking about that I have. I somehow stopped myself from saying, absolutely, I will be the happiest boy that I've ever been in my entire life if we win this game. And I think it's a possibility. I think we could win this game. I don't think it's likely, but I think if the Ravens play a lot of his own defense, that's when Jaden has his games, when he's like 90% completion rate against Mandev, and he's a little bit less of that, but we'll see what the Ravens defense does. I had a dumb thought about this game, and I texted our friend Chris Long, because Chris played on the defensive line in the NFL for a long time. He hasn't gotten back to me because I just had the thought and I texted him. I was like, is this really dumb for me to say this or not? Maybe you guys can tell me. Our pass rush is not good. Our defensive end is not great. Our defensive tackles, very good for the commanders. Is it maybe sneaky a good thing that our pass rush on the end sucks against Lamar because you naturally keep contained because you're not good enough to get downfield and turn that corner.

Hmm.

I think you'd probably want better guys.

No, it might be better to have worse.

I don't. Yeah, I don't hate the thought. I don't hate the thought.

This is like. This is like three d, five dash levels of rationalization that I have right now.

They're. They're so slow, they can't physically give up. Contain.

Exactly.

That's. Yeah.

No, I don't hate what I'm saying. It's like, if you have a really slow player on your hockey team, it's like, well, he's too slow to ever be offsides.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't hate that. We should mention, because we have to mention, Lamar Jackson is 21 and one straight up against the NFC.

Yeah.

Which is crazy. Eleven and eleven against spread. So don't be afraid to take this. Take the spread and the commanders in the spread. I think I will, but that should be mentioned also. Fun fact, a couple fun facts for you in this game. Sunday's game will tie the record for most Heisman Trophy winners on the field at the same time.

So we got Jaden.

Yep.

Marcus Mariota. He might not be on the field, though.

Yeah.

Well, he's on the sideline.

He'd be on the sideline.

Lamar.

Yep.

Derek Henry.

Yep. There it is.

Four.

Four. So, the other time it happened was the Raiders and bills in 1998 had Tim Brown, Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson and Doug Flu.

Wow.

Yeah. Kind of cool.

And I'd really like to draft Travis Hunter next year.

Yeah. Oh, Travis Hunter. He's playing this week and he should be the Heisman. Another fun fact, Dean Peas is back.

He is back. One of my favorite names in the ever D. Dean.

Dean Peas.

Dean Peas.

So he's. He's a special assistant to defensive coordinator Zach Orr for the Ravens. Dean Peas is back.

Yep.

Dean Peas.

We don't know much in the name, but he's back in an advisory role.

Yeah. The guy named Dean Peas.

His name literally translates to Dean Peas.

Dean Peas.

Yeah.

He looks like a football guy. He looks like a football lifer. He's from Ohio.

Dean Peas credit to the Ravens because their defense hasn't looked as good as they did with Mike McDonald.

I agreed. I do think Joe Burrows playing well. The Raven secondary has not been great. Yeah, the run defense been great. I think Joe Burrows been on that like he's been on fire.

Yeah.

Cuz they did look good against the bills.

That's true.

They did shut down the bills.

That's true. They also got off to a nice early, early against him.

Yeah.

Because have you ever been addicted to watching hype videos?

All the time.

This is the first I've ever been addicted to.

Oh, my God.

I've been watching all. I've been watching all of them. I think that's how I learned about 90% of my new music catalog.

Yeah.

Is just via watching hype videos.

Yeah.

Oh, my God. These hype videos I am. It's better than porn.

Yeah. Hype videos are really best.

I also had another question about this. This game, this week here for you. The report came out yesterday that Jaden Daniels gets into the facility at 04:00 a.m. every morning.

Is that too early?

I think every quarterback does this.

No, every.

Every 04:00 a.m. there is a story that comes up that's like, this guy is the first one in. He gets in so early. Like, I like this. You should be getting in that early if that is your job.

I like Max doing that.

04:00 a.m. 04:00 a.m. fine. All right, fun fact off that. So I don't know what time every quarterback gets in. It does feel like too early. 05:00 a.m. feels more appropriate. Did you know that our coworker and trying to be college football expert Brandon Walker, who lives almost in Wisconsin, do you know that he sometimes, like this morning, got here at 630 in the morning to beat the traffic?

Yeah. He just paces around.

You know, I know he pays, but. But I, like. He is now so obsessed with traffic that he wants to get in here in 55 minutes flat that he leaves at 530 in the morning.

I don't blame crazy. I would think about doing that, too, just to avoid traffic, because there's always some asshole and he doesn't have to be here till some that's broken down on the highway ten and. And jamming you up.

True, true.

That's like a. That. I mean, he's an older guy. That is like a dad move.

He said he went to sleep at seven last night, so I guess that makes sense. But still, that's. That's too early.

Update on the El Camino that broke down traffic. Cause a massive traffic jam. It was not out of gas. It was almost out of gas.

Okay.

So I'm not that big of an asshole.

Okay. By the way, this is the best start, Lamar.

Just gonna get fixed?

Yes.

It's in the process of getting fixed, and it'll be fine.

Do you want to tell them how many. How many miles per gallon?

Yeah. So I did find out how many miles per gallon it gets, because as they were checking it out, it did run out of gas as they were running it at the. At the garage. It gets actually somewhere between four and 5 miles per gallon.

That's pretty good.

That's awesome.

That's pretty damn good.

In your face, Greta Thornburg.

How many. How many gallon tank is it? Twelve.

No, I think it's like 615 or 16.

Okay.

Yeah.

So, yeah, you can drive for a few days.

I will not be taking that on the highway.

Okay. By the way, this is by, by, like, advanced metrics. Lamar Jackson, who has two mvp's. This is the best he has started a season week one through five, which is pretty crazy.

Yeah. Scary.

It is scary because he's been fat. Insane. Okay, colts of titans forgot about the Titans. I love the Titans in this game.

You do? Because Anthony Richardson is coming back.

I don't know if I love the Titans. If Joe Flacco plays. I love, love, love the Titans if Anthony Richardson plays. I think the Titans are the snake bitten team of the year. And snake bitten mostly means will Levis turnovers. But they are. They've been in every game. Right. Like, they could. They should have beaten the Bears. They should have beaten the jets. Who was there? Who else did they play? They beat the Dolphins. What was their third, their other game.

To play the Colts.

No, they haven't played the cold shit packers. Okay. That was Malik Willis. Oh, that was the first week, Willow. Yeah. Yeah. I I think Will Levis is gonna have a good game. There it is. That's my hot take. Is not going to turn the ball over. I think their defense is really good. They're off a buy, maybe fix some things. And I also think the Colts defense is like, remember how last week I said the Colts defense were to get right for Trevor Lawrence? I think they're just the get right for everyone.

It could be. That could be. So. Do you think that will Levis watching Mason Rudolph go in there and run the offense somewhat competently, that little fire under his ass inspiration? It might be a fire under the ass game for Will Levis.

Yeah. I just. I don't know. Maybe this one is way off, but I I really, really like the Titans this game. I like teams. Any team off a buy, I like. I don't know. It's just something about it. It's like, oh, they, they're off a buy. They got a little rest. They feel good. They worked on some things.

Mm hmm. I I don't know what to think until I know who's starting this game for the Colts.

Yeah.

I can't. I can't go, so.

Yeah. Flacco. Yeah, no, that, that's fair.

Flacco, to me, is automatic over, but I back.

But the Titans defense is good.

Yeah.

That's the thing is, like, I think they'll be able to handle either. I would prefer it be Anthony Richardson. I'd like my bet more, but, yeah, that's, that's kind of where I'm at.

What's the line on this game right now?

Two and a half on draftkings. Is that right, Hank? Hank, you be our line expert.

Got it.

Be our line expert. What do you got?

Three cults are plus.

Oh, he's gone to three. Okay.

-118.

Is that maybe Anthony Richardson being called the starter? Because I think he would. I think, which would be crazy, but I think he's the only one who would be named starter, and that would go against.

That would go against him.

Yeah.

The line would. Would not be in the.

Let me look up if playing again, they're stuck in that spot where I don't think anyone in the world thinks that Anthony Richardson right now is better than Joe Flacco. But you have to play.

What I saw is that he is. He's been practicing more. He's been doing more in practice this week.

Oh, here's a, here's a headline that I'll read. Well, it's paywall. Nobody's lying about Colts QB Anthony Richardson, but nobody's telling full truth.

Is that a lie?

I don't know. I can't read the whole thing.

Any court of law.

Yeah. Yeah.

The whole truth. They make you say the whole truth.

The whole truth.

That sounds like it might be a lie.

And Jonathan Taylor, I don't know if he's playing or nothing, but, yeah. I like the Titans in this game. I do. I do. It's probably stupid. You know what? This will be my, this would be my, I'm quitting the Titans if they lose this game. Bet I'm not. Not taking the Titans is my last, last line in the sand. Yeah.

I mean, off a by.

Off a bah for by.

If they can't, if they can't compete against the Colts, off a by, I think that's fair to abandon them. Do you ever write teams off for the entire season? Yeah, I do. Sometimes.

They'll still come back somehow, and then.

I, then I feel bad, because usually those teams that I write off, they end up coming back and winning.

Yes. Yes. Okay, Hank, you ready? Texans? The Patriots.

It's May day.

Hank, is there anything you'd like to address in terms of.

No. I'm.

Your excitement for Drake, May?

I am nervous for this game. I'm not gonna say I'm excited because I just, I still, I've thought about it. I slept on it. You know, you guys told me I should be excited. I'm excited to see him in the, in the throwback jerseys. I'm just nervous. I'm not excited. I'm nervous.

Okay. Can I make you a little, feel a little bit better? Sure. Nico Collins is out. Nico Collins is very important to the Texans offense. Okay. That the Texans offense has felt at times like, we're in trouble. Hit Nico Collins. I actually think, in a weird way, this is going to help the Texans going forward for the rest of the season because they're going to have to learn how to play without Nico.

Tank tell?

Yeah, but he, like, they're gonna have to learn how to, how to survive without Nico. There was a mutiny, Hank, for Drake. May was there. The mutiny worked. That the Patriots will have maximum effort in this game because you have to. You have to have maximum effort after a mutiny.

If you was his mutiny.

I saw one report with the mutiny in it.

And that. Wasn't that legitimate?

Do you know this show? That's legitimate. That's as. That's as sources. It gets, Hank, if you do a mutiny for a guy and then you get the guy to start, everyone's got to be like, hey, we got to step up because we did a mutiny for.

Yeah, it's your guy that you've installed.

I just pulled up. I just looked up patriots mutiny. There's. There's multitude of our.

Multitude of articles.

If you look at patriots mutiny.

Yeah.

Jared May. May respond to mutiny.

Yep.

Patriots. Read that one.

Well, it sounds like it's about. It's all these articles are in response to that one article that said there was a mutiny.

That. But they're all. Yeah, they're all talking about it.

Yeah.

There's smoke. There's fire.

Good point. Good point, Max.

But you want. You want there to have been a mutiny, Hank, because now the mutiny worked, and now they're gonna play hard for him.

You got some skin in the game. In other words, the reporter who said.

That he got a little carried away with locker room mutiny comments on Patriots podcast earlier today.

A little carried away.

A little. Not all the way carried away.

A touch of mutiny.

Yeah, I know.

You should be rooting for the mutiny, though, because the mutiny, like, I would.

Understand what's their team to be have a mutiny.

Listen to me. Listen to me.

You ever seen captain Phillips? Yeah, they took over. Look at me. I'm the captain now.

I'm the captain.

Drake may.

I'm the captain now, Hank, you don't want a mutiny unless a mutiny works. If it was still in state of mutiny, you'd be like, fuck this. This is bad mutiny. But it worked. They got the mutiny done. The mutiny's over.

And what's the end goal, this mutiny?

What the end goal was, we need. Drake made a play because he gives us the best chance to win. If you just. He gives me as a hypothetical wide receiver, the best chance to get more stats.

Dude, think about it like we've talked about it before. Post, ski post, shovel post, or like, you know, post game winning. You know, drive tailgate beer. Post mutiny. Beers up there like the boys are pumped after a mutiny that worked.

A successful one.

Yeah. Not a mutiny. That's still going on. A mutiny that worked.

I'm pretty sure, as Devin McCordie that said it. But when the news came out, he said, I wish we had let Houston wait till Sunday to figure this out.

That would have probably been smart, but you also had a mutiny on your hands, so you kind of had to deal with it. Now, I would have been a lot.

More excited if it was, like, Sunday 1130 and it's like, Drake may starting. Yeah, I would have been fired up.

You get pop. Yeah, but it's better. The alternative is that the mutiny doesn't work. It gets quelled. It gets put down.

That's way worse.

And then you're never drinking a beer again.

Right.

And then the season's over. At that point, locker room lost.

I do think, Trey, I think the offensive line will be better because Drake.

May, he can run and he can pass.

Two things that Jacoby Brissette couldn't do, which are very important parts of playing quarterback.

I would say pros for Jacoby Brissette. He's better at getting hit, he's better at getting tackled and getting back up again. Pros for Drake May at playing quarterback.

Who are you going to bet on this game?

The Patriots plus seven. You have a one. You have a one game chance to ride the mutiny. You have to take it, don't you?

It's minus six and a half right now.

You don't. I want to do a mutiny on him now so he can see how fucking great it is. I have.

That's my six and a half.

Memes, Max. You guys got to do a mutiny on Hank. Just show him what it's like against tank. Yeah, mutiny is already.

Yeah. Memes has a, like, a 25 page manifest.

Right? And. Okay, so that is perfect example in these terms. Memes is actively trying to mutiny you. Right? He hasn't been successful. What is he, a grumpy guy? If he was mutiny, if he mutinied you, he would be happy.

That's a bad example.

That's not a bad example. When you're actively in a mutiny, you can't be happy because you're like, fuck, I'm thinking about this.

I just can't see memes as a happy guy.

Okay.

But hypothetically, maybe he would if you. If you disappear.

I don't know if one man can do a mutiny. I feel like one man is a lone wolfenk wolf. Right? But if somehow he got Max on his side and pug and Shane and me and big cat, and we mutinied you. We got you out of there. Do you think that the vibes would be higher?

Yeah, I think we need to mutiny.

Just to show him what your absence would cause. A mutiny. I'm saying that in this situation where we all hate you, hypothetically, then we get you out hypothetically, then we'll be happy. Hypothetically.

Hypothetical.

So hypothetically, it sounds like that Drake May is going to give a little spark to the locker room.

Yeah. I'm excited to see what happens. I'm nervous.

Are we still calling it mayday?

Sunday will be mayday.

That's mayday. But again, mayday. Not a great term.

Mayday for the Texans.

I did look up the origins of mayday, because I was like, why do pilots say mayday when they're about to crash? It's actually from. It's a french pilot term, because they would say a day ed sound. It's a french term for help. So it's just saying, help me, midday, mayday. And then everyone's like, oh, they're saying mayday. So fun fact, pardon my French.

Memes just texted our production chat saying.

We'Re starting a mute yes. And when this is successful, we're gonna. We're gonna. We're basically just gonna do an experiment on you. And then when they fig. When they get the mutiny done, you're gonna see the vibes. They're crazy. You got to ride the mutiny.

But I just got pug and chain computers. They can't. There's no way they're mutinizing against me.

Oh, shit.

Good luck, memes.

You bought them computers?

Kind of.

You told Pete to buy them computers?

Something like that.

Computers. Look, Cam Newton.

All right? Be excited. Hank Neagle. Collins hurt. He's really good.

I also know we didn't, we weren't here last year for it. I don't know how I'm gonna get to the office, because the marathon.

Oh, yeah, you were in trouble.

I looked it up today. Like, it's.

Yeah, I'm not. You are.

It's impossible.

Yeah, you're in trouble.

You might just sleep here on Saturday.

You're gonna have to just run the marathon.

I have a guest room, Hank.

I do too.

Super bowl.

You can stay over.

It sounds like Max might be in this mutiny. He's like, stay over at my house will be fun.

And then kill him.

Yeah, then kill him. And kill memes is like, yeah.

Bucks. Saints. Spencer rattler.

Rattler, baby.

Spencer Rattler.

So I was thinking about Saints quarterbacks, and I couldn't remember, with the exception of Ian book, the last time that the Saints had a rookie quarterback that they had starting for him. I looked it up, and it goes all the way back to 97 with Danny Warfle. Oh, so the Saints are just one of those teams that doesn't ever start rookie quarterbacks.

Ever.

Mostly because they had drew Brees for a long time and then now Derek Carrhen. But that, that Ian book game, that was bad. That was because of COVID I think they had both their backup quarterbacks.

Monday night game.

Yeah, that was ugly, but yes, Spencer Rattler, I'm excited to watch Spencer Rattler.

I think, I think the Saints are live in this game. I think the Saints are live in this game. I think everyone's going to say Spencer Rattler stinks. Hammer the bucks. I here's the thing with Derek Carr, nice guy. Recurring guest first two weeks looked awesome. If you saw him Monday night, it felt like he was going back to Derek Carr where it was dump off, dump off, dump off, moonshot pass. Maybe, maybe Clint Kubiak has, maybe he can mold Spencer Rattler in his own image.

Is he gonna be in the sidelines for Spencer Rattler will be up in the booth?

I just think, I think three and a half is a lot for a division game and, you know, Mike Evans.

Will get kicked out and my point, loves fighting.

At some point he's gonna be out of this game.

But that was usually, it usually had something to do with CD Deuce, I think.

Lattimore to lady.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mike Evans always gets into a fight against the Saints.

Yeah. So do you guys, do you guys like the bucks here?

I like the Saints, I don't. Ebo kid we work with here has been saying, don't, you know, don't overthink Spencer. Rather rookie the year, offensive rookie the year.

Oh, wow.

That's a great way to put it.

Don't overthink.

Don't overthink that.

All right. Wait. All right. Yeah, I'm done thinking about it.

Yeah. If you don't think about it at all, it's a great bet.

So I'm gonna bet the Saints this week, the less that in mind, because if there's any, if there's any way he does it, he has to start hot.

Yep.

Yeah. Here's, here's another thing. Just throw in there. Just a thought starter. Saints defense is still good, right? The Bucks won a game against commanders, not a great defense, won a game. Instead, the Lions, not a great defense, won a game against the Eagles, not a great defense. Scored seven points against the Broncos, very good defense. Yeah. Are the Saints closer to the Broncos or closer to the commanders, Eagles and Lions? I would say they're probably closer to the Broncos in terms of defense. Just a thought starter.

It's a good thought starter. When you put this all together, it ultimately is going to come down to whether or not Spencer Rattler is good.

Yeah, of course.

We don't know.

Of course. But it also is, it's just one of those games that I, my dumb brain said, hey, this is going to be the easiest thing ever. I'm going to take the bucks. And then I paused and said, hold on a second, idiot. You've been doing this a long time. You've been losing a long time. Maybe it's not that easy.

Yeah, I don't hate the Saints at all. Because you want to be on the right side of calling Spencer Rattler being good.

Correct. Correct. Okay. Browns and eagles. Max, what are the vibes? Do you want to do Phillies right now? We did it already.

I've already done it.

Okay, so what are the vibes for the Eagles? Let's focus on just the Eagles.

Brown's money line.

Why would you say that, Max? The Browns are bad.

The Eagles are bad.

Lane Johnson's back. Do you Devontae Smith's back?

Not sure.

AJ Brown's back. What do you mean?

They never, they haven't confirmed that.

What about AJ Brown and Devontae Smith?

I heard they were vibe in that stadium is going to be horrendous.

Not they win the vibe in that.

Stadium, they're going to get booed within one incompletion. That stadium is going to erupt in.

Boo.

That is, that's what Philly does.

Yeah. Maxwit is ESPN segment where like, oh no. Phillies booing too early.

No, no. It's just that no one expects anything out of this Eagles team. It's going to, the Browns are going.

To also the, the Philadelphia's sports culture right now after I think that the Eagles are gonna catch some, some residual anger from Philly fans.

Why would you say that?

Well, because they're doing right now. Huh?

That's what I'm doing right now.

Yeah, they're, they're all, you guys are on edge right now.

Yeah, but they, but they also suck.

Do they suck? Yeah. Without, with Lane Johnson, who by the way, as of 4 hours ago, Eagles Lane Johnson to play versus Brown's post concussion.

I've been on a plane.

Okay.

You guys also have a pretty winnable couple games coming up. So if you look at the Eagles schedule right now, they've got the Browns this week, they've got the Giants next week, then they've got the Bengals, then they've got the Jaguars.

Okay.

So if they're healthy, some games, if the Eagles are healthy, the Eagles are not out of it.

Here's another thing for you, Max. According to sports Info solutions, they. They have great stats. The Browns run a majority of single high safety. Guess who dominates single high safety?

Why don't you tell me?

AJ Brown. AJ Brown's going to feast in this game. All the overs. Come on, Max.

I'll be taking the under.

Cooper Degene is going to play in. In place of Avanti Maddox. That's got to get the Eagles fans going.

Come on.

Sure.

Did you guys see DeSean Watson said that when talking about his benching in his bad places? I don't hear it. Yeah, I don't see it. I'm not on Twitter. I'm not on any social media or things like that. So anytime that stuff comes up, the only time I hear it is either you guys are bringing it up or somebody else outside the building. I just don't know who it's coming from.

I'm going to everyone.

Deshaun, I'm going to go out on.

A limb and say that he's probably heard a few fans that have said it at games.

There's no way he has not heard a single thing, because. Because everyone is saying it.

If he hasn't heard a single thing, then that would actually make me more concerned for Deshaun, because that means that he's just. He's got this attitude all the time. Even though he doesn't know that people want to bench.

He would basically be Jimmy Carter. He's just not waking up some days.

Yeah. This is. It's concerning that I don't believe him. For the record. I don't think that. I think that Deshaun Watson walks around knowing that he shouldn't be starting right now. I actually. I did the math on some of this. Tell me if this is the craziest thing.

Okay.

If you're a Browns fan, granted, this weekend you're playing in Philly, but you've got home games coming up. You're paying Deshawn, I believe, like 47 mil right over the course of this season, and I don't think it's going to be 47 mil every year, but I think it was 47 million this year. If you do the math on it and you do the capacity at the Brown stadium, I think it's 65,000 people go to those games. Okay. If they just all agreed to not buy any beer at the games, if there was $0 in concession state sales at the games, but you can't. That comes out to about. I believe that's 40 million a year.

But you can't ask Browns fans to do that.

Sneak your shit in. I'm saying, like. Yeah, I'm not saying don't drink at a brown.

They got a watch. To Sean Watts.

Imagine going to a Browns game sober. Yeah, no one's gonna do that.

That's actually Guantanamo.

But be creative. Sneak your beer in. Sneak your liquor in.

No concessions whatsoever.

No concessions. What? Go on a concession strike.

I like that.

Because a lot of the season tickets have already been sold for a lot of the fans. So you can't go on like a strike because then you know you paid for him. You want to go watch the games. Just sneak your beer in. Sneak, sneak liquor. And bring plastic flasks.

Why don't we start with something easy. Let's go. Like, no popcorn.

No popcorn, no nachos.

You gotta let him get drunk.

Yeah, you gotta eat. But I'm saying sneak your shit in.

Yeah. Cuz they can't watch Deshaun Watson sober. Yes. That's torture.

You can do a plastic flask that you fill up from home, duct tape it to your body.

Yeah.

Your shirt.

I like the idea.

Can do it. If any city can pull it off, I'm pretty sure it's the browns.

Yeah. Come on, Max. You guys are gonna win this game. When you win this game, we'd be happy.

No.

Oh.

I refuse to get excited about any Philly sports teams for the rest of my life.

You gotta care, dude.

It's not true.

You gotta care.

I saw a tweet. Are you.

Are you thinking about abandoning the city or just not rooting for any team?

Windows are closed. Rebuild. Rebuild every team. You know, I was telling this to memes. Then the first, the next team that wins a championship in Philadelphia will be the Flyers. Because I don't give a fuck.

Last 24 months for being a Philly fan. Phillies blow. This is actually. When did you start producing this show?

That would be two months before the beginning of this.

Okay, so you started two months before this. Phillies blow. World Series after two one series lead. Eagles blow. Second half in Super Bowl Sixers blow. Game six, game seven, Celtics. Phillies blow. Game six, game seven. Eagles start ten and ones crash and burn. Sixers lose to Knicks in first round. Phillies lose to Mets and LDs.

Also, don't forget the. The union lost the MLS cup in overtime, and they were winning, I think, in the 80, 89th minute. And the Philadelphia water dogs finished second.

They stink.

Which one of those was the worst? Max?

Do you want me to read them again? Just so you know? No, I. Phillies blow World Series after two one series lead in 2023. Eagles blow second half lead in Super Bowl. Sixers blow game six, game seven of Celtics. Phillies blow game six, game seven in NLCs. Eagles start ten and one. Crash and burn, and Sixers lose to Knicks first round. Phillies lose to Mets and LDs.

I think it's this one. There's no hope. There's no hope at the windows. Close for every team.

Okay, close them up.

There's like, at least the last one. We were like, at least we got the Phillies. There's nothing that I can say right now.

Like six release. Indeed.

No.

Oh, what a playoff. Be dead.

You haven't even. Yabu, you haven't seen this. This new six.

Yeah, yabu.

Okay, Max, what if you win next four games?

I'm not. I know.

I don't believe you.

I don't believe you either. If you. If the Eagles dominate the next four games, you're gonna be right.

They haven't dominated a game in like, like five years.

That's not true. They started ten and one last year, remember?

But those games, they didn't dominate any of them.

But no, that's not true. I'm looking at it right now. Phillies blow World Series after two, one series lead. Stop second half, the game six and.

Game seven is back to back.

Those.

That hurts.

Are you talking about sixers? Blow game six games. Celtics Phillies blow game six, game seven.

Always doing the earmarked muffs. Hey, memes.

Because it was two of them. So I was wondering which ones you were talking about.

Memes. Can you ask Max if he thinks that there's any correlation between starting working on part of my take and Philadelphia sports going to shit.

Max, do you think there's any correlation between you starting on PMT and. He's doing the baby. He's doing the baby, man. He's going baby mode on us.

I can't. I can't hear you.

Okay, let's go to the afternoon games, John.

Win this game, though. Max. Eagles moneyline.

Yeah. Chargers at Broncos. Rashaun Slater might be back. Jolt also might be back.

I looked at their injury report on the Chargers. It honestly looks like their depth chart.

Yeah.

It's the longest injury.

It is very long time. It's very chargers.

It's extremely chargers. Yeah, I just.

I.

But we haven't seen Justin Herbert look anything like he's looked in years past. I don't know if it's Greg Roman.

They said they were going to try to throw more.

I was always told that. Justin Herbert. I distinctly remember. Maybe I'm being Berenstein, bears or Mandela affected. But Justin Herbert at one point was a dynamic quarterback with a sick ass arm. Right?

Yeah, he was. I mean, the beginning of last year, I feel like he was. And then he got hurt and now they've changed the offense. They're trying to run the ball and he got hurt again. So kind of just gets hurt every time. Yeah. I think I like the Chargers in this game. I said it. There's another one that felt too obvious where I was like, oh, Broncos at home plus three.

Are they going to wear the blue helmets?

If they do, I'm taking the Broncos.

At some point. There should be. There should be a director of common sense for the Broncos that sees how awesome those helmets were and they're just like, fuck it. We're not doing any of the other uniforms for the rest of the year. These were so good. Their uniforms again.

Yeah. True throwbacks, start of last year. Yeah. He had 305 yards and three touch and two touchdowns in a game against the Titans. He had 405 yards, three touchdowns in a game against the Vikings. I think that's right around where he got hurt, but, yeah, he was doing okay last year, and then it just kind of fell off and he got hurt and the whole team member, I mean, Brandon Staley.

Yep.

Remember Brandon Staley? I remember where we remember.

So frustrating.

Yeah. I mean, so it's somewhere in there. Put up four touchdowns, 323 against the Lions in a shootout. It's somewhere.

Maybe.

I think they're going to try to throw it more. And also, if Rashaun, Slater and Joe all come back, like, that's enormous.

Yeah.

Especially against a very good Broncos defense.

Do you think that that Harbaugh was watching that Chiefs game and he saw the, the Travis Kelsey lateral and he thought to himself, what if we did this lateral, but we pitched it back to Joel?

Mmm. That would be rumble and stumble.

Let him carry the ball a little bit.

Did you see Sean Payton addressed the Bo Nick's inner exchange on the sidelines where Bonex yelled at Sean Payton? He said, it's all good. It's the heat of the moment. It's the game. It's competitive, he's fiery. This is basically just a cliche for all this. We're in the business of passion. We're looking for passion, and we're looking for people who have passion for the game, not other things. I think that is so important to him. Again, I love this response. Run to the next play. And it's nothing. I like saying every class, every cliche mixed in with just a sandwich. And in the middle, the meat was, we're in the business of.

I like business of passion. Yeah, that's it. That's a good thing to say about your team.

Business of passion.

Listen, I like watching Bo next play. He might not be the best, but goddamn, he is fun.

Yeah. Very fun. Steelers at Raiders. Aiden O'Connell is the quarterback.

This is perfect because that means he. I could see Antonio Pierce taking him out of the game in, like, the second quarter.

Yep. For Gardner.

Based on play.

Yep.

Not because of injury or anything like that. I could see Gardner coming off the bench, and guess what? That's how you get a spark.

Yep.

You get spark.

Gardner, possibly Russ.

Possibly Russ. I don't know. I can't begin to understand what Mike Tomlin is thinking because he doesn't. And he's got the right idea, which is, why would I say anything to you guys? Like, we handle everything behind closed doors. The Patriots should have done that with Drake, May. But I understand where he's coming from, but he's hard to read.

Should. Should Mike Tomlin cut George Pickens? No. Did you watch some of the tape?

Yes.

Holy fuck. He's not trying at all. And then after, or this week in the media availability was asked if, like, how he can get more touches, his snaps back. And he said it not. Not on me. It's all up to Arthur.

Yeah. I mean, this is George Pickens, but it's not.

It would be one thing if he was lighting it up.

Yeah.

He's just a negative right now.

Yeah. This is George back. This is. I love players like this because they're. We missed the era of the diva wide receiver.

But he's not even, like, you can't even say he's a wide receiver right now. He's not even running route.

He's just kind of out there.

He's just a diva.

So I open fucking always.

I'm just. Yeah. I don't know what in Russ. Russ was. He's fully practicing now. He did the media availability. I wonder if he's the only practice guy ever who does I black? But he had eye black on.

Yeah.

For practice.

I mean, when it, when it comes time for, like, the road trips that Russell Wilson knew he wasn't going to play in, he was just telling his family, like, hey, I got a. Sorry, I got a business trip that I got to go to. You'll see me on the sidelines when I go there. Just trying to get out of the house for a little bit.

Yeah. Great, great uniform matchup. I love when the Steelers and the Raiders play yet is good.

So we always talk about Tomlin being, when he's an underdog, scrappy underdog. Bet on. He's also, in the last four seasons, he's four and two against the spread when he's a road favorite. Oh, so this is another good situation.

I do think, even though Nick Herberg is out, I think that the Steelers Pat pass rush is going to be all over Aidan O'Connell because they can't block anyone for the Raiders. Eileen, the Steelers. But, man, George Pickens, he's, he's in my head. Yeah.

That's, that's what he does best.

But he's not, he's not doing anything.

He's so fun, though.

He's just. But he's not fun. That's the thing. He is fun when he's playing and catching, but he's not fun.

Yeah.

George Pickens is, is. If you just watch a highlight tape of George Pickens, you're like, this is the greatest wide receiver ever. Then you watch him in a game. You're like, is this guy even trying? Yeah.

And he, if Russell Wilson gets in, I predict that George Pickens will hate Russell Wilson even more than he hates Justin Fields. Although Rust might get worse.

He might just try to throw to him all the time, just to try to get him.

That would be the smart thing.

Yeah.

Is get him involved early.

Get him involved early. Best game in the afternoon. Lines of cowboys. I'm so pumped for this game.

Yeah, it should be. Should be high scoring. I hope it's high scoring.

Yeah, I think it will be. I have some, some good quotes from you for, from the Lions this week. We had a. So Dan Campbell, Frank Ragnau heard his pec, Dan Campbell said he was walking through the facility last week, went out of nowhere. Someone punches me against the wall. Then I get punched again, and I realize that it's Frank trying to show me that his peck is great. That's his way of telling me, look how strong I am. It's good.

Yeah. I like that.

That's how they figure out injuries in Detroit. I fucking love it.

I also think this might be one of those examples of Dan Campbell knowing what people will think about him and then leaning into it and giving, tossing some red meat out there, like when he talks about having the lion on the sidelines.

Yep.

I think Dan Campbell is secretly way smarter than we think that he is.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

And he loves having people think that he's a dumb meathead.

Yeah.

So this might be one of those things. He's like, I know what I'm going to say. Yeah, they're going to. We're, we're going to just do injuries by punching.

Yeah.

And if I feel if you can hurt me, then you're good. You're good to play football.

Yeah. We also had. Did you guys see Jordan Lewis's the Cowboys cornerback quote? It's one of my favorite quotes ever. So Amon Ra said that last year when they played that Jordan Lewis was talking crazy, like some shit I've never heard before. They asked Jordan Lewis about this, they're like, hey, this is what a Monroe said. He said, I honestly don't remember. Sometimes I just black out, just go somewhere else with it. But if I said anything disrespectful, I'd probably say it again.

Love that stand by.

It's like, yeah, I'm gonna. Yeah, I probably said some fucked up shit, and guess what? I'm gonna do it again.

Yeah, call. It's calling your buddies after a night out. Hey, I don't know what happened at the end of last night, but I meant every single word.

So good. I fucking love that quote. As for this game, I do think with Dallas's defensive line being decimated, so I mentioned them before, but sports info solutions has so the Lions run the most twelve personnel of any team in the league. The Cowboys ranks versus twelve personnel, 23rd against run plays, last against play action. I think this is going to be every Lions offensive weapon just going fucking off. And honestly, I think the Cowboys are going to be able to move the ball, too, because the Lions run a lot of man coverage. And I think Dak is going to like, this is going to be a big. I used to be a points fiesta.

I like that speaker. Three.

I hope I'm right because I need a points fiesta in the afternoon, but I want a points fiesta.

Yeah. So Detroit is six in the league at rushing 151.3 yards per game, and the only team with two backs in the top 20 in rushing. And Dallas has the 24th ranked run defense.

Yeah.

And then you, you can drill it down further. Twelve personnel. Warren Sharp taught us one running back, two tight ends.

Yeah.

Sound like you know what you're talking about.

Yeah. And, and the lie or. Sorry. The Cowboys defensive line, they're bad against the rush, and they also were injured. I don't know if Mike is back.

He possibly is, as skip Bayless will say, missing Parsons report.

Yes.

Filed.

He's nothing. He's not happy. Micah Parsons ruled. Oh, no, that's for Steelers Jerry Jones leaves glimmer of hope regarding Micah Parsons status for Lions Cowboys. I love the Jerry Jones.

The one, it's perfect, right? Like this is, this is a job for a head coach. Instead you've got the owner slash GM slash warlord of Arlington, Texas. It's going out there and telling the coach what's happening.

Yeah.

Remember last year in this game? That was a great game.

Great.

I think we're in Arizona.

Yeah.

We were driving back and the ending of this game was peak. Dan Campbell.

Oh, yeah.

If you thought that what Dan Campbell did in the NFC championship game was reckless, this was way crazier at the end. At that two point conversion. So much backed up. Fuck it. Let's still keep going for it.

Yep.

Yeah. So Dan gamble's gonna let all hang out this week.

Yeah.

This is nuts. Hanging out.

Yeah. This is a revenge game.

Yep.

Okay. Falcons and Panthers is the last afternoon game. I don't care. I mean, I care, but I. The Panthers are back. We had the fun Andy Dalton week and now it feels like we're just back to. They got some, they got more injuries on the offensive line. Like, I just, I kind of want to take the Panthers, but I also, because I just feel like Kirk Cousins playing above his head right now, but this game stinks.

I think Cousins going to get better as the season goes on, too, because he's going to get healthier, he's going to be more comfortable with the new wide receivers.

I just. This game stinks.

Yes. But I'm kind of going to disagree with that. Why it doesn't stink in a way of, you know how on YouTube tv where it says, like, here's your moment is then during commercial breaks and just plays like butterflies landing, watching Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins going up against each other in the football game, that's kind of like moment of Zen. It's good to have it just there. I don't really care about it, but it's good that it's on.

Yeah. I just think the Falcons are going to probably kill him and it's just going to be another one of those. Oh, man, the pair Panthers. Like, you had one week. That Raiders win was awesome. Yeah, that was great.

I think it's just good. I think it's good for the soul to have Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins.

Yeah. All right. Sunday Night Football. Bengals at Giants must win. For the Bengals. We've been on a must win watch basically every single week. They had a players only meeting on the defense.

Mutiny.

Nope. Players only meeting. And Mike Hilton said, I know we've been playing like shit. For real, honestly.

Yeah.

He said this. By the way, did you guys know there's a beat reporter for ESPN.com who covers the Cincinnati Bengals? Yeah. Whose name is Ben baby. Yeah.

Yeah.

I love that. Ben baby.

Every time I see Ben baby.

Great name. Seems like an awesome guy, but, yeah, I would say that that's true. They have been what's quote again? I know we've been playing like shit. For real, honestly. That's a for real and an honest.

For real, honestly, like shit.

Yeah.

So I like the Bengals in this game.

Yeah.

Daniel Jones is one in 13 in primetime.

Ooh.

Not a great record for Danny.

Ooh.

So again, it's must win. It's a season of must win games.

It's a season of us wins games. The Giants defensive line is very good. I, their secondary is a little suspect. I think Joe Burrows gonna keep Joe Burrow has to do it all.

Yeah.

Until their defense shows up, he's got to do it all.

And do we have neighbors coming back?

I believe so.

Okay. I like that. So it'll be fun.

It's gonna be a fun game. I'm actually, like, weirdly thin. The Giants, if they had lost the Seahawks, we'd be going into this game being like, oh. Or even if the Giants had lost in, the Bengals had won, be like, forget it. But this, the Giants are frisky. Yeah. They're a frisky team.

Their defense, their defensive line is good.

Yeah.

Like, no joke. They're good. I think they, yeah, they lead the league in sacks.

Yeah.

22 sacks.

So this is gonna be a fun game. I'm excited for this game. Any other thoughts from week six? Max? You want to take back anything you said about the Eagles? He's now net is great. Podcast. Max shaking his head.

What about this stat? People, people talking shit about the NFC east this year. The NFC east against the AFC north.

This is just, this is just a stat to compliment yourself.

No, it's not.

It is.

I don't, I'm done. I'm done here.

And we're five and one.

Done.

What do you say about this?

Yes.

You gotta care, dude.

Like, well, you know why he's saying that?

He doesn't care.

Yeah.

Hank, there's, and I, and I, and report him.

He's a care. Those are erroneous. Hank does care about some Hank.

Yes. The fact that he can, like, watch his teams just play like shit and be like, oh, well, at least I can golf tomorrow.

I actually can. It's depressing. It's, it's the, the falls hitting hard.

Oh, we just got a meeting email for the mutiny tomorrow. I don't think there's ever been a mutiny that we've done an email for, but yeah. Friday, October. Mutiny. Me, meme Shane, Max pug. Pft. Oh, I'm. See, I'm replying. Yes, I will be there.

Mutiny invitation.

I can't wait for this. Mutiny. What are we gonna do, though? Memestae? I don't know. Put them in a trash can.

I spoke to the advisor guys.

They also wanted. Oh, hell yes.

Is anyone bringing snacks?

Oh, hey. Just nodded like, of course they want a mutiny.

No, I don't believe that. I think I like, I like memes trying, but I. Quiggs was like, hank.

Did something yesterday, so I'm in. Oh, mutiny.

Would you do.

I'm doing, yeah.

What did you do?

He sounded.

You did something.

You didn't do anything like him work.

No, I was working.

You're working. Hank cares guys about things. Ah.

Mean, do you feel bad at how bad Max feels?

I feel bad. Oh, for Max on those streams? Yes, yes. I got a tattoo.

He also feels bad.

Oh, that's.

Appreciate that.

That's a sir second. Filberto has felt bad.

Yeah. Yeah.

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Let's do it in here, cuz. Max, should we just do all eagles to prove a point?

I mean, I do like AJ Brown to score.

All right, so AJ Brown's in there.

He's gonna be my pick anyway.

You wanna go, D? I'll go AJ Brown. David Montgomery. Hank.

I have to pick an eagle.

No, you can pick anyone.

I was gonna. I was gonna pick Jamar Gibbs.

Jamir Gibbs.

Jamir Gibbs.

Okay.

Hank, what's your coach's name?

I'm not good at speaking. Whatever.

All right, Jamere Gibbs is in. I'll do Jamar Chase. Okay, cuz that was a sign you just gave by saying Jamar Gibbs. That means you mention our chase. So it's gonna be AJ Brown, Jamir Gibbs, Jamar Chase. I like it. That's all three windows. Just got to get one. A window. We can do this, boys. We can do this. All right, so let's do picks. What's the record and who's going first?

The records are big cat.

Six and four. Memes. Five and five. Pft. Five and five. Hank. Four and six, max. Three, six and. Oh.

I wish you just laughed.

Oh, I'm sorry.

No, I'm sorry.

Sorry, Mandy.

Okay.

Okay, let's do some pics. Hey, who's up first?

I go first.

Memes. I'm taking the Lions minus three.

Hank made a face like he's calling cap. Do you go for.

I trust him.

Okay, it's week six. There's five. Are you like, ha. Like the lion?

Got you there. Do the math real quick. Five of us. Week six started with memes. Got it. I'm waiting for Hank to get it.

I thought we started with me. That was. That was where I was mistaken.

Got it.

Me, right?

Yeah.

I'll be taking the Browns plus nine and a half.

Why not? Money line.

I'm going to take the Eagles minus nine and a half.

I'm going to take the Browns Eagles over 42 and a half.

I'm going to take the Saints plus three.

Mm hmm.

And I'm going to take the over. And the Chargers Broncos over 35 and a half.

I will take the Bears minus one and a half.

I'm going to take the buck. Saints over 41.

Okay. Spencer Rattler.

Yep.

I will take the Bears Jags under 44 and a half.

I like that pick, Max. I like that pick, Max. I will take the Bengals Giants, under 47 and a half. Why wouldn't you take the under in the Brown Seagulls game, Max?

I thought about it. That was my first initial thought, but now I was like, I don't know. Oh, no.

AJ Brown's gonna probably eat.

No, no, no. Then the defense.

Oh.

Because then defense would have to step up and.

But, yeah, but there's part of you that's like, oh, this is going to be a good game for the offense.

Nope.

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Hello, chips.

My name's Jimmy.

Jimmy. Jimmy.

Jimmy.

Jimmy. Jimmy. Jimmy. McRibee week.

Is Utah okay?

Utah. The aki team in Utah, they soak over there.

They play aki on the pond. Out dense in hockey. They broke a beer sales record at the Delta center night one.

But wait, I thought they was the latter day saints.

I thought they drank the milk they accepted to drink.

They're excited to soak that. They're doing pock in there. Not fucking.

Oh.

Not soaking.

Soaking.

Hockey.

Hockey.

Utah hockey. Terrible name.

What should their name be?

They should have mascots. Team should have mascots.

They should be the Utah oasis. Vietnamese oasis is back.

Abominable snowman.

Mositum.

Rafa. Oh, Rafa.

He retired. He's sitting down forever. Could never hold up. Hold a torch to our boy. Roger.

Roger.

Roger.

Roger.

Roger.

He's no joke of it.

He's the king of clay. But Rogers, the king of everything.

Why you like Roger?

Everything?

What do you like about Roger?

A good old boy.

From where?

Roger from where? I don't know where.

You think he's from England?

I think he's.

You thought he was from Switzerland. He's from Switzerland. Switzerland, you fuck. You thought he was from England?

You thought he was king of Wimbledon. He's the king of our home.

You thought he was from England.

Now he's just the king of Wimbledon.

You don't know your fucking country's history.

The king of grass.

He wears all white just like those hockey virgins in a Utah Marc Mars sleeper.

Deontay Johnson this week going up against Atlanta. He's first in red zone targets. He's fifth in targets overall.

What you doing there? You got some stats?

I'm giving the people a sleeper.

Should we sing a bit of a tune?

If you got him on your bench, put him in the game.

Should we sing a bit of a tune?

I'll be your dream I'll be your.

Wish I'll be your. We did this last week. Let's do another one. So after all you're my wonder whoa. I said maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me that saves me that saves me and after all, you're my one Rita. That's good tune.

Thanks.

A couple points with the lads. Hey, I'm british.

Hey, british.

That's my name. Oh, I'm british. I'm british person.

British person number two. Brit.

No, british. First name, last name, person, person. This week, I'm starting a cup of tea. Cup of tea. And Rogers had a cup of tea.

What's the tea?

He had a tea. I was go, and then you drink it and then you fire your boss. It's a.

It's vomit.

It's mutant tea.

You bomb everywhere. On the street, in the alley.

Did you. Do you hallucinated? Just a wee bit. Not the tea time. That Henry Lockwood has no different type of tea time for golfing weeks. That's not true.

We golf this week.

Would you work?

Yeah, but we did. We saw your golf this week. Video out soon. Make sure you watch it.

Yes.

Really watch the part with Henry, perhaps the.

The final nine holes. You learn to my Alaska yourself.

It's for anyone who doesn't like Henry. What's that video?

This won't be out for a couple weeks.

That doesn't matter.

It's worth it.

It's worth the fucking way back.

Maxwell, I think you should talk about accident. You send so much more cheery cheerio.

It's worth the fucking wait. Definitely.

What do you think about Philadelphia sports, Maxwell, in this voice.

I don't really know how to do this.

They're rubbish. Right. Right. Listen. That video could come out in 2035 and it would be worth the wait.

I pay seven quid for it right now.

I'd mortgage my house for it or.

Kill another queen for it.

I'd sell my flat.

I'm sitting this week. This week. I'm sitting on my couch all weekend because college football, greater great day on Saturday.

Saturday.

Proper day on Saturday.

Proper proper day.

Then also sitting on my couch on Sunday because it's a great day of football on Sunday. It is. And then on Monday. Is it Columbus day?

Is Columbus Day.

Lumber stay where we found the new world and we started some colonies that ended up beating us in a war. And then I'm my sleeper on this weekend is Bob Costas.

Oh, Bob Costas.

Because he craved. He makes me want to fall asleep.

He was talking Mark Twain.

He makes me want to fall asleep every time I hear him. He does. He does.

He's a bum.

And there's a drive to set afield. Wait, was that caught? If they catch that. Oh, they caught.

Oh.

Oh, me.

Bob Costas is positively rubbish.

He's robbing.

He hasn't been good since he had the pink eye.

The pink eye?

My cousin. My cousin gave him the pink eye when he was overseas here in England for the Olympics. He took a big steaming crap on his eyeball.

He put his bum on his face.

He was eating his rusty trombone out like he was playing for tuba.

Hey. Oi, oi. My name is Ari Potter. Harry Potter.

Hello, Harry.

You're a wizard.

I'm a wizard, Harry.

You got struck by lightning, Harry?

Not really. It was a witch's spell. Right, wizard. A wizard spell. My. My sodom is Ben Simmons. He said it's disrespectful that fans think he's robbing NBA teams.

I agree with Ben Simmons.

I fucking love this guy. He just doesn't. He doesn't give a fuck about anything.

Take the piss.

This takes a piss out of it.

You think he's taking the piss right now? I think he's taking the piss. I think he's gonna be very good. Very good player this year. This is the year we don't count out, Vincent.

Yeah, my system is Lieutenant Dan, the guy who's riding out the hurricane down in Florida.

You got new leg?

Yeah. Turns out he might be a bit of alleged pedophile, so we should probably not make him a star.

Plot twist. Yes. Henry, do you have a plot twist?

Plot twist?

Oh, it's a. No, it's a plot twist that he's a pedophile.

Yeah, there's a pedophile plot twist.

Oh, there's a lot to us.

Hey, make the sound memes. There's a make segment.

Here we go with the same name as Lieutenant Dan, who is a pedophile. Oh, lieutenant Dan is a criminal.

Oh, he's not.

Pepper fought a cop and tried to light a woman on fire.

Okay, so I'll take it back. He's not perfect.

Not convicted for pedophile.

Pedophile.

There a trial?

Maybe been arrested a few times. He's done a little bit in the.

In the bin trying to light a woman in fire. And then when the cops arrested him, he punched the cop.

Oh, sorry.

But not a pedophile.

Punch the cop for unfairly trying to stop him from lighting a women on fire.

Got it.

Something.

So he's okay.

He's okay.

Could be a pedophile.

Yeah, possible pedophile.

My sleeper is the clocks because guess what? We're turning them. Turning them forward.

That's right. I'm going to climb up to the top of big Bend this weekend and just pull it right down. Turn around, pull it down for an hour.

Turn around, bright eyes every now and.

Then I need you now tonight I'm a need, you know, whenever it's wanna hold tight.

I fucking need Jamal than ever.

That's a song, boy. Man named Meatloaf. Rip.

Good job, fantasy lab boys do. Reminder to everyone that we do change the clocks this week. So lose an hour sleep.

Fall back.

Yeah. Sucks for the kickoff of the bears.

Jaguars, but you get an extra hour at the bar.

That's true.

I think they should drink. Should be free during that hour.

Yes. So change those clocks. Skip Bayless time. Let's do it.

Let's do it.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest in studio. It is Skip Bayless. Never thought we'd see the day, but he's here in the flesh. Skip, we got a lot of questions, but let's start with some easy.

Warm us up, okay?

Is Dak Prescott a Super bowl winning.

Quarterback, by the way? Could I jump in before I go for it? This is surreal to me, to you. Yeah, surreal to us for similar reasons. So I was blessed to break through in this business for the first time, really, in about 2010 into 2011, which was the Tim Tebow run through that NFL season. And on first take, we started to crush, and we took over the sports media world. And then Steve Nade joined me the following year, we took it up a level, and it dawned on me last night as I was thinking about joining you guys, that, that you guys were in the rightest place at the rightest time. And you became, if I may, Stephen A. And skip, like you, took over as, as I was leaving Stephen a to go to Fox and fs one, you guys rose to the top of the sports media world right on time. And so it's. It's bizarre to me in a surreal way that, that I'm on with you because I honor what you guys have achieved, because I know what it feels like to be where you are now. And I congratulate you on that.

Thank you. And it takes some luck. It does take some right place, right time, and you were right on schedule to do what you did in this world as I was in the linear tv world.

And I would say that your, your career helped our career in the fact that you guys would have the dumbest debates. Sometimes. Sometimes not. Sometimes real. Sometimes it. Would you say sometimes dumb?

No, I would. When you did, like, go dumb.

Lebron versus MJ and horse.

Yeah.

Okay, I got you.

Lebron. No, we didn't play one on one.

Okay, one on one. But no, we. I think we found a name.

Jay would destroy him. And one on one. If you want to do that, I'll do it.

But. But the niche that we found is that we're. We just talk sports like two regular guys.

Okay.

And it helped that we could, you know, kind of play off of the debate show.

You. You took a title, and I'm proud to say I was responsible for half of your title and your.

I actually didn't realize that until, I think, two weeks into the show, I was like, wait, we're called. Pardon my take.

Yeah.

And then we got a cease and desist from ESPN, and we're like, okay. Was like, what's this? I was like, well, we did rip.

Off the name, but you ripped it off in, like, a fun way. Like you're saying to your audience, we're not going to take it as seriously as they do.

Correct.

We're going to do this.

Right. Right.

So you helped us this.

Okay, which one of us is Stephen A and which one is skip?

You know, I knew you're gonna ask me that, and I didn't want to have to go there. I think you're both skip.

We used to have two frogs named Stephen A and Skip.

I did not died.

That was a tragedy.

Yeah, that was a tragedy. They got sucked up into the, like, filter.

Yeah, there was a.

Wait, they. They died tragically.

They died trash.

Not. Not of old age.

We had a run of pets where they would just die. We had goldfish, we had frogs. They would just die. But we did name them.

It was a white one and a black one. The white one was Stephen A. And the black one was skeptical.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Look, I like to argue, and I'm passionate about it. It's like my life. It's what I was born to do. Born to be. And so I wanted to actually debate authentically on television where I took it seriously.

Yeah.

And I'm not going to trick it up. It's going to be real. I'm not going to say anything I don't believe. And Stephen A. Was the perfect foil for me. I'm from Oklahoma City. He's from Queens. I'm white, he's black. And yet, from the start, we loved each other. And he knew from the start, even though I'm trying to, like, rip his throat out in the debate that I always told him, no punches pulled, but none thrown. We can't get to the point where we're going to throw punches or the audience is just going to turn it off because they don't want to see mad. They just want to see he, they want to see emotion, they want to see passion, but they. They don't want to see strangle each other across the table.

Right.

And Stephen A and I were great that way because he, he wanted to beat me, but. But he knew in the end I would protect him, and he knew I had his back, and he knew I loved him like a brother. And. And we're still, to this day, brothers. So the point was that we did that because I pushed for it, and then you guys took it someplace new and different where you can kind of argue about sports, but you don't do it the way we did. I'm not gonna lose the debate.

Right.

And by the way, I never lost a debate to Stephen a. Smith.

Is that true? You're like Lenny Dykstra's stock record.

Yeah, he lost one.

He lost one. He was like 351 stock pick.

The thing that I loved about first take, which made it very different from, like, around the horn, which you guys both had, it was similar in that every conversation was a competition. Right. But the thing I loved about first take is there's no score. There's no score being kept.

We tried that once, and it's.

It doesn't work.

You know what would happen? We let the audience sort of, I don't even know what we're. What technology we're using to let the audience actually score the debate on the fly. And I would lose 100 to one every time because I was the most hated man in sports media.

I was the one person that was voted voting for you, by the way.

Thank you for that.

Yeah, I had the ESPN phone and I would text in afterwards. But the great thing about, about first take was after it was over, the winner of the debate was actually up for debate. Then you got to debate with people about, hey, do you like Skip? Do you like Stephen? A and I always said the perfect thing about, about what you guys had was you took two guys that were very, very skilled at screaming at each other, and they were maybe the only two people at ESPN that would disagree on both of the two questions of, is LeBron James good and is Tim Tebow bad? And putting that together, there was some magic that happened.

It was magic.

Big fan of, of that entire era do. And I, you actually believe that Tim Tebow stuff too, right? Like you believe that Tim, if he was given a fair shot in the NFL.

I'm going to tell you what I said from, from day one after I watched Tim Tebow beat my Oklahoma sooners. I grew up in Oklahoma City, an Oklahoma fan. I was born into the tradition. Can't help myself after I watched what he did to my sooners in the second half of the championship game. And then I saw that video of him at halftime saying, we're gonna take the ball. We're gonna drive it down their throats. I said, God, I want that guy on my team. So I said on the air, on first take before the draft, if he's available at the bottom of the first round, I'm going to take him. And if I run his college offense, I'm going to win a lot of games in the National Football League. He'll never make a Pro bowl, but I want him on my team. And Josh McDaniels, then the Denver head coach, took him with the 25th overall pick. And when he got his chance his rookie year after Josh got fired, so he lost his guy. Go look at what happened the last three games of his rookie year. When he did get to play, he put up big numbers, legs and arm.

And they won two of those three games, including one over the Texans at home, which he drove them to the champ, to the winning touchdown at the end of the game. And obviously when Elway and Fox took over the next year, they just wanted to get the Tebow thing out of the way when they fell to one and four. Let's just get it over with. Let's throw him into the fire at Miami. Remember this? And let's just get it over with because he'll suck. And the fans will finally say, okay, you're right about this. And all the zealots out there will say, okay, that's enough. A tebow. And they won in overtime and they kept winning games. As I kept saying, all he does is win. And so day after day, on first take, we would bring in a parade of ex NFL players along with Stephen A. And others, and they would all fight me to the death over he can't throw. And I'd say, well, in the last five minutes of games, he has the best QBR in the National Football League throwing the football. Because as Eric Mangini once said to me, you know, you're right about this.

He gets accurate when it's time to get accurate. So he takes a one in four team to the division title. And all those naysayers had to keep eating crow Monday after Monday after Monday. And obviously our ratings went through the roof. We, we did numbers in 2011 on ESPN two, obviously now pretty much abandoned by studio shows, but we did numbers on ESPN two that will never, ever be touched because of me and Tebow.

Yeah. And you still think, I mean, he's not good.

Well, he never got another chance, did he? Never do.

He's a winner.

Seriously, 20 years from today, somebody who knows nothing about what we just discussed, somebody will take the numbers and say, wait a second, this guy won the division in 2011, and then I, then he beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in a playoff game and then he never got another chance to play. Never, never started another game. Nobody ever gave him a shot. Right. Okay. How can you explain that? Well, you think he's just not good. And finally, I guess Belichick chipped Kelly and Philly decided, well, he's just not good enough. But, but you have to, you have to give him a chance to win the game. I think he could have kept winning games.

What about this? What if you just made him a closer? Like in baseball? He just, he comes in, you get Dak out there for three quarters. Tebow comes in the fourth quarter.

It's a revolutionary thought, and it's a great one. And I do not disagree with that premise. It's just something the National Football League doesn't do because we don't do that. But someday somebody will try that and succeed with it, and then everybody will develop a closer for their team.

Get some music playing, have him run out of the tunnel.

Yeah. Yeah. So have you, have you spoken with, did Tim Tebow ever thank you for everything you did for him?

I interviewed him twice. We had him once on first take, and then I went to Super Bowls in Indianapolis that year, and I sat with him for an hour for a piece that we played on first take. And I never got close to him. I never connected. I do believe in God. He obviously really believes in God in ways that I don't quite worship, but we never talked about that. And it surprised me, frankly, that off the air, he didn't say something to me about any connection we had. I didn't ever feel any closeness at all. So I didn't have a relationship. I don't have his contact. I just believed in him winning football games.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you, you very artfully dodged the Dallas Cowboys.

Poor.

I love that. Yes.

Is your, is your jersey in the trash still?

I threw them away and my wife burned them.

Did she burn the jerseys now?

Wait, wait, wait. Hang on. She took them out of the trash can, burn them, and then put them into the fires.

An exorcism? Yeah.

What happened with. Can you explain to me what happened with the smart trash can? That one video, that was tough. It kept on closing on you.

Yeah, but was I not deadly acting?

I know, but that thing was bodying you. It just kept on closing on you.

I know, but I didn't miss a throw because I was. I was going Tebow, like, in the last five minutes where I'm out of my mind. It's like pure anger is manifesting in my deadly accuracy where I'm throwing with all my might. In fact, it reminds me a bit, if I may, my Vanderbilt commodores.

Yeah.

We finally beat Alabama and we kicked their ass. We beat them fair and square because we outplayed them on Saturday in Nashville at our stadium. And our smart students then took the goalpost and carried it all the way down west end Avenue. It's like 3 miles to the Cumberland river, downtown Nashville, and through the goalpost into the river. It's like 134 years of frustration because. Because we hadn't beaten the top five team in 134 years of playing college football, and we took 134 years and threw it in the river. So I took every piece of cowboy memorabilia that I own, jerseys, hats, scarfs, and I fired every piece into the trash. She went into the trash and took all of the above and burned them in a big pile in the kitchen. She just set them on fire.

So you have. You have no more Dallas Cowboys merch.

Well, I started over with a number 17 jersey because I thought he was the greatest kicker I've ever seen in my life. So I decided, what about eleven from heaven goat?

What about. What about Parsons?

That's the new goat. I wish he don't respect.

Are we talking about the guy? I have to file a missing Parsons report. Miss Parsons.

That's really good. By the way, you're Vandye. I said this to you before when we talked for a minute, but you need to be called to task on your tweet after Vandy one. When you said if you watched or heard the end of this week skip mail show, I strongly hinted at this possibility, but didn't want to predict the upset for fear Bama coaches would show it to their players and I would do my school. You don't get credit for hinting.

Okay.

You got to take the pick.

Okay. But if you listen to the end of my podcast, the week before, I. I whispered it at the end. I literally whispered, we have a quarterback.

You do.

Who gives us a chance to win every game, including this game. He just knows how to play. But don't tell anybody. Don't tell Alabama.

Thank God you whispered it. Cause the bama coaches, they probably can't hear the whispers.

I don't think they did. Although they did all put. They put mousetraps in each player's locker because this is going to be a proverbial mouse trap. Trap game. And I'm like, yeah, trap shooting. Like clay pigeons know, pull, bam. You know, like, that's what the trap's going to be. But I wanted them to saunter in. I wanted them to be drained and a little down from. From the game of the year. Yep, the game before, and we were coming off a buy. And we do have a Diego Pavia who just knows how to win college football games. It's simple as that. He's played five years of college football and started every year. Two at New Mexico military, two at New Mexico State. He brought five coaches with him to Vanderbilt, including his offensive coordinator, because we needed him to put us on the national map, and he did. And if that's our version of nil, is hiring five coaches. That's what we have to do.

Yeah. All right, so I got a question. How do you watch all the games and how do you have the energy? I know you get up at, like, two in the morning to run and lift all the time, but is there. Has there been a moment in your career where you've started to run out of gas or you're like, you can't? I mean, it's pretty crazy that you're able to do it and keep this up.

Big cat, if you know me, I am obsessed with this. I am still more on fire than I have ever been. I live for it. I eat, sleep, breathe it. I can't explain it. You can ask my wife. On our first date back in 2005, I told her, if this goes anywhere, you will always be number two to my work, because it's not work to me. It's. It's my life. It's my reason for being. I love the games. It's not a task for me to watch the games. And then you have to figure out the why of what you just saw. So I'm really into processing the why and trying to see things others don't see. Not that I'm a shock jock. It's these things just come naturally to me, me. And then I'm going to say exactly what I see.

Yeah. Do you surprise yourself sometimes when you're like, oh, man, this take is, this is a fiery one that no one's going to see coming.

Yeah. But I don't think of it as a take, like a hot take. I hate that it's just me. I don't know. It's just me being me. Yeah.

You just think you, you have the ability to think counter to what most people are seeing in thinking. Like, they'll see one thing and you're seeing, hey, this is actually the story here.

Yeah, I I don't think of it that way.

Yeah.

But I do think it's clearly.

Turns out you have that because you will have, you'll have opinions. It's like, oh, I didn't even think about it that way.

That are fresh.

Yeah.

That make you think. And then you're gonna sit back because you're a smart guy and you're a really smart guy, and you're gonna sit back and say, oh, okay. Yeah, that makes sense because I'm not. I'm not shock jockey to the point. I'm coming up with something where I say, oh, this will, this will stir up the hornets nest. I don't have a hornet's nest. I'm just me. I'm just seeing and saying exactly what I saw last night.

So you don't, you don't gamble on the games.

Do, just with my pride, like smelling you occasionally.

But actually, that's a good point, because you, in a weird way, you have a lot at stake on every game because you're rooting for what you just said about the game.

Yeah.

You're rooting for, you know, your, sometimes your takes that, that zig when everybody else's eggs. You're rooting for that to be right so you can get on the true, I told you so.

Yeah. Okay, I'll buy that.

Yeah. So when you watch the games, are you watching, are you watching multiple games at once, or do you have, what's your setup like?

My limit is three at once because I can't process. I have a hard time processing two, but I try to go three. I've got two giant screens, and then I always have some game on either phone or computer.

Yeah.

And when you wake up, big cat alluded to the workout routine. How many hours a day we working out now?

Okay. I do cardio every day for 1 hour. Never miss.

Never miss what? Miss on a treadmill.

I used to run outside more. Now I'm confining everything to inside, I'm in LA. It's just too dangerous to run outside the trap that there's psycho drivers in LA. I know they are in New York and Chicago and everywhere else, but it just got too dangerous. So I'm confining myself to all treadmill or upright exercise bike. So I do that for an hour and I do not miss lifting. Monday, Wednesday, Friday afternoon, every single day, every single week. I don't miss.

Wow.

I remember there was a profile, I forget what magazine it was in, but somebody talked about what a psycho you were in the gym. Just like locked. What do you listen to when you work out?

A lot of times I'm listening to games. Like you're asking me how do you do it? I try to time it around a game like because they start earlier in California, obviously in the west. So if it's 430 or five, I've got a game on in my ear or I'm just watching it at home. I got a home gym where I've got a tv in my home gym.

Yeah.

You really are just like all sports all the time.

Yeah.

Which I love.

Is there date night?

Friday night?

Ernestine's an angel for saints. Yeah. So their Friday night is date night.

Yeah. But in cheat night we, we have one slice of pizza every Friday night.

That's crazy.

That crazy. We get really nuts. And you, we get like sick. Only psycho.

Only one you've done.

That's the role I've done to a couple times.

I know you've done two.

And you the same thing for lunch every day, right? You still do that?

I do. I'm crazy.

So what do you mean?

I'm happy crazy.

Every Monday you sit down, you make all your turkey sandwiches.

No, we have a chef make them.

Okay.

Yeah, but I eat white meat, turkey and broccoli and brown rice and like beans, like dark beans. I have that kind of combination two big times a day, lunch and dinner.

And that's, and then Friday one, possibly two pieces of pizza and that's it.

And we'll, we'll go. Frozen yogurt on Friday night is a big cheese.

So when we're talking about the cowboys earlier, it always reminds me of, you know, to go back to you and Stephen a having the constant debates about the Dallas Cowboys. You and Stephen a part ways. You go out to the west coast, the Cowboys losing the playoffs. It felt like Stephen a turned up the Cowboys dial a little bit.

Yeah.

Put the cowboy hat on.

Sure.

It always felt like he was sending secret messages to you. Like this is for skip. It's for an audience of one. I'm still rubbing it in for skip. Did you feel that way too?

I thought he was doing it for his ratings, just to remind everybody now he's the cowboy hater as opposed to me being the cowboy lover. So I thought it was smart on his part. But I'm a psycho sicko cowboy fan. I'm spoiled rotten. And you asked me about back.

Yeah.

I'm just not buying. Yeah, I don't believe I've, I've seen enough. I know what he is and what especially he is not. He is two and five in the postseason and every time a big moment has come in a postseason game that is begging to be wondehe, he's not there. And they played a game three years ago at San Francisco that was begging to be won by the defense when Micah was riding highest and he was at least a defensive player of the year candidate and he basically took over a game at San Francisco that the offense needed one play to be made and Dak missed five open receivers in that game and they lost a close game. And that was as close as they're ever going to come to getting to an NFC championship game with Dak Prescott at quarterback.

Wow.

And yet Jerry has committed to him for four more years, made him the richest player in the history of pro football because Jerry just wants to sell tickets and Dak will sell tickets because he's safe and, you know, he's going to put up gaudy enough numbers to be somewhere on the fringe of the MVP race and they'll win some games. I got them at eight and nine missing the playoffs, but. But they'll win enough games as they stole one the other night at Pittsburgh because of Dak. In the end, after he had three horrendous turnovers, two in the red zone. They'll be just good enough to be a factor, just good enough to be relevant, just good enough to be the team nobody can take their eyes off of. So that's why Dak is the quarterback. I was praying for Trey Lance to have a sensational preseason to the point that Jerry would say, well, maybe. Maybe I should go here and plunge with him. The way the Shanahans plunged. No.

Yeah. Did not happen.

Sometimes wake up in cold sweats thinking about Mason crossed bar.

Yeah. No game has ripped my guts out more than that game did because that was, that was arguably Dax best game of his career. That was his first playoff game. That's when they were the one seed. That's when they had a home playoff game against Aaron Bleep and Rogers, who always plays the best, against the Dallas Cowboys. There's something.

And the Bears.

But, yeah, I'll give you that.

Yeah, yeah. Thank you.

But that's. That's, like, too easy.

Yeah, that's also. I'll give you that. Yeah, but, yeah, he. That was a.

Okay.

That. So that.

So they're the ones seed at home, and they're not ready to play, and they come out and fall. What was it? 21 to something behind. 21 to three. And here came Dak, and here came Zeke. And Dak was made possible by Zeke, and I didn't see that coming. I was more Dak at that point, but Zeke was leading the league in rushing, and he was such a force and a factor that it allowed Dak to maximize himself as a fourth round pick in his rookie year. So all of a sudden, bam, bam, bam. He's got des Bryant. We roll back, and we tie the game. And then it took Mason Crossbar, hitting two intergalactic field goals that had no chance of making it over the crossbar. And the first one was a dying quail that. That he missed to the right. He actually, it was. It was a near shank, but it was definitely a slice. And it faded just over the crossbar from 53, maybe the first one was. And the second one, we're indoors and go back and look at. I dare anybody call up the video. It hooks badly off his foot.

There's no wind indoors. He hooked it, and as soon as it left his foot, I won. And the hand of God comes down and pulls the ball back inside the left upright. I don't know how football hooked left and then somehow faded back to the right with no wind. I don't know how it happened. It was not meant to be.

Yeah, that's probably the closest they've come to that. Was a pretty good team, too. Well, let me ask this about this. The new iteration that we see the Cowboys. Are we still all in, or are we all in my ass?

All in my ass. I tweeted that, and it blew up. And I was like, what's wrong with that? I think somebody thought it was some perverse, sexual.

Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly what.

No, it's just all in my ass.

Yeah, the what? You follow no one on Twitter. Do you ever see any other tweets? Like what? What's up with.

You know, you asked me about forming opinions.

Yeah.

I just don't want to be influenced by what anybody else thinks, so I don't need that I don't want that. I want to be completely true to myself, authentic, as cliched and silly as that might sound to you guys, I just want to be me. And I don't need anybody to define me or to help me form my opinion. I don't want to respond to what the public's opinion is, is I want to set the tone and the table. And, you know, I only had my days working with Stephen A and Shannon Sharp, both of whom I love like brothers. My, my only grievance with either one of them was when we'd go to break and they're looking at their phone and they're scrolling, like, seeing what, what Twitter said in those days. Twitter? What did they say about what I just did? As if they need validation that they won the argument. Wait. And then in my days with Stephen a, one guy in Alaska would say, you just got your ass kicked. Aren't you embarrassed? And we come out of break and we go back on live tv, and he's angry at me for reasons I don't know.

And then he might turn to his camera and say, and I don't care what you say, I'm right about Tim Tebow or whatever. Right? And he's out of his mind. I'm saying, what are you doing? And it's because there was the one guy in Alaska who told him he just got his ass kicked.

Yeah.

And I would say, you're so much better than that. You're Stephen a freaking Smith. Just stand on your own 2ft. You don't need validation. You don't want to let them creep into your psyche and define who you are on the air to actually have play a role in how you're going to respond to me. And then coming out of the next break, seriously. So that's. That's why.

Yeah, I think it's a very human emotion and instinct being, being out in the public sphere and looking for that. You guys, look, I try not to as much because of what you just described where it's like I could see a hundred and positive comments and then one guy, and that will ruin my day. So I think I've gotten better as my career.

I was a one guy, ruined my day guy. I started in 2009 on Twitter, and for maybe a year, I would look at my ads, my responses, my mentions, and I would find. I would see one guy who said, your hair looks like shit today. And I would think, it does. Yeah, my hair looks like shit. Maybe it does. Yeah, maybe it does. And it would start to affect my concentration. Okay. So why, why would I inflict that upon myself?

Yeah. No, it's smart. It's a good way to, it's a good way to go through it. So your career was there. I mean, you, you don't lack in confidence. I think that's fair to say. Was there a moment, though, where you. Not a light bulb moment, let's say a light bulb moment where it's like, oh, I can do this and I have a skill here. And this is what, you know, I'm good on air, I'm good on radio. Was there that moment for you, or did you just always think, hey, I'm the best. I can do this?

That's a great question.

Thank you. Thank you.

I'm not sure I have that moment. So. Quick background story. I began to do things for ESPN in, like, 1989. I started, started being a regular on what was called sports reporters with Dick Schapp back in the day, Mike Lupica, Tony Kornheiser, Bob Ryan. And I found right away I liked the medium. It was good for me because I could really, I'm more introverted off camera, but I could really come out of my shell and just be me. And that's the real me on camera more than off camera. And ESPN liked what I did. So they started a show called Cold Pizza, whose remnants are still first take. But they started in 2004, and Mark Shapiro was running ESPN and called me and said, you've done a lot for us. I need you to come to New York and try to help us save my show. Because that was his signature morning show based in New York City. It was a show loosely based on sports that was sort of the GMA good Morning America of ESPN. Not a great idea because if you want GMA and you're just a casual sports fan, you'll probably just watch GMA.

Right?

And they were getting no ratings. So he said, I love you as a debater. It's what you do best. I'm going to sports up cold pizza. I want you to do four segments a day. It was with Woody page at that point because he was already on the show. You guys go back and forth four times a show and let's see if we can spike the ratings, which we, we started to do. But the first morning I was there, we did one rehearsal for the, the showrunner who was not a sports guy named Brian Donlin, who became a good friend of mine. So we, we go into the debate. It was just something we did trick up at that point just to see how it felt. We were going live the next day, and two sentences flew out of my mouth. I went first, and Brian Donlin came running out of the control room down onto the floor of the New Yorker hotel at 34th and 8th in Manhattan, where we shot the show and screamed at me, you're. Can I say that? He says, you're way too fucking hot for morning television. And I'm like, like, brian, trust me on this.

This is what you need for morning television. And that was a Eureka moment because I stopped him in his tracks, and he shook his head and he said, okay, okay. Just. Just take it down one notch for me and we'll be okay. So we finished the rehearsal, and I took it down one notch, and then the next morning, I took it two notches back up, and the rest was ratings history because they eventually pulled every plug in New York City on ESPN. Steven A's, quite frankly. And they had Howie Schwab, Stump, the Schwab, and Josh Elliott on ESPN Classic. All plugs got pulled, but they couldn't pull the cold pizza plug because we were making money, because we were starting to rate in large part because of the debates, because we were actually doing some hardcore sports talk in the midst of the pet segments and the ballpark food segments and the cigar segments that were good Morning America on ESPN.

Yeah.

So from there, they just took us up to the mothership in Bristol and rebranded us first take. And the rest is.

Yeah, so that is the kind of a.

That was a moment.

Yeah.

Like this. This one segment actually deserves its own show. Deserves to be. Have other shows even packaged around the idea that this is our centerpiece in the morning. At what point did you first debate Stephen A. Smith and did you realize instant chemistry?

I did. And that is also a great question.

Great question.

That was in Los Angeles in 2002. We were both on Jim Rohm's show on what was called Fox Sports Net. It was the forerunner to fs one's today. And Jim did a show called the last word on Fox Sports Net. And he would frequently have different sort of sparring partners on. He loved me. And one day, fatefully, I got paired with this guy, Stephen A. Smith, and I got a kick out of him from day one. And right away we got into it about some NBA topic, and Jim became a spectator, a tennis match where his head was just going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. And I knew right away this had magic to it. We just clicked, because he has the greatest gift of gab in the history of television, in my view. And there's something about his respect for me was instant and you have to be able to respect. He let me go hard at him. He's got a big ego and I love him, but he has a huge ego because he's earned a huge ego and yet he already had it then. And he allowed me to go right at him and to make little jokes about him and to insult him in the realm of the debate.

You don't know what you're talking about. No one can tell Stephen hay that. But I just knew right away he's going to let me say that to him because he didn't know what he was talking about.

Right.

So I was just telling him the truth. You're just so wrong about this. Because of X and y and Z. Yeah, but, and, and he loved for me to set tables for him because he's a great reactor as opposed to a pre actor. I'm more of a pre actor where I'm going to go boom, boom, boom and he can sit back, stroke his chin and say, wait a second. And he can take my point d and say, did you just say that X is Y? Yeah, I said that. What do you make of it? And here we'd go off on a tangent that he was comfortable playing over here in. That might not be the question that was originally asked by Jim Rome. And I knew you can't teach that. You can't coach it. You guys know it. You have it. It's connection, it's chemistry that, that either happens or it does not happen. And there's, there's no manager, there's no showrunner. I don't know what you guys go through behind the scenes, but tells us.

What to do all the time.

He's the well, that's fine. And, and yet he can't tell you exactly what to say when it's time to say it. And right away, I'm in your flow right now and it's really a beautiful place to be because it's magic. You have it, and I don't know why you have it. You could thank God or you could thank the gods of barstool. I don't know. Something happened that connected the two of you and you play off each other and you're comfortable with the flow of this and you don't step on each other. And I don't know if you ever fight off the air, whatever you probably do because I did with Stephen a occasionally because it's what happens when you're doing this, although you guys don't do it at the sort of go for the throat level that we did. But the point is, I just knew right away that he liked me. That turned into love me, so. Right.

Yeah. In it all. I love that answer, because chemistry is the most important thing. We don't really fight off air. The only time we ever really had was the dips.

The dip spit. I accidentally left a bottle of dip spit. I used to.

Yeah, it was all the way to the full.

But it might not have been.

My boy had no cat.

It also might not have been.

Okay, but real quick. So what? Would there ever be a show wherever where big cat thinks that that Pft jumped in too much, or are you. We've just.

We've never fought about anything like that. Not like, to the. To the point of arguing about something on the show.

I mean, I'll say is, we've been doing this for eight plus years. There's definitely shows where I'll walk away and be like, oh, that wasn't our best, but we consistently are doing it every time. And there's also a lot of shows where I'm like, we'll say it out loud, like, that was a great show. Like, we hit everything. We were in the flow.

So.

So, Mike, I'm very curious because what you said was. Was kind of beautiful about chemistry, and I believe in it big time. What we have here is special, and I don't take that for granted. You're now, though, kind of going out on your own, so is there part of you that is going to miss that? And are you a little not scared? Because I don't think you probably ever get scared. Maybe if Charles Barkley showed up to your door, you might get scared. We can get to that later.

But my wife would handle him.

Shout out, Ernestine, is there, though, a piece of you that's like, I don't know if I want to do this solo because I don't have that foil someone to go back and forth with, play tennis? Almost.

Also a good question, because now, ironically, I'm coming after you guys. Like, I want to do what. What you did. I did the linear tv at the highest level, and I needed another challenge, and this is it. You were in the right space at the right time, and you guys are extraordinary. Not just you guys, but the whole barstool universe is extraordinary, what you have achieved in a fairly short time. So maybe I'm a little late to the party, but I need to be late to the party because I need that challenge. And I found over the last two years on linear tv as those ratings start to erode slowly but surely that people want video, they want digital. And I was reaching far more people with my videos, with my tweets than I was on linear television. And it was an eye opener to me till this was two years ago. I'm saying I gotta go do this, and yet I gotta take baby steps because the hardest thing I'm finding right now is to find the right foil figure. I'm still doing my solo podcast. I just go solo for an hour. I don't know if anybody does this that on the Internet the way I do it, and it's fine and it's.

I can scratch the itch, but. But we are now trying to develop three or four different shows, an interview show, a debate show. I'm even thinking very strongly. Every time I had Ernestine on air with me on undisputed, the ratings went through the roof. And we're thinking about she and I doing a show together because she is a Livewire fireball. She's the only one who will shut me down. So we're thinking about even trying that. But the foil figure for the debate show has been very difficult for me to find so far. And we are scouring the backwaters.

Yeah. Yeah. So, and you obviously leave fs one. You know, what is a month or two ago.

Yeah.

The ending with Shannon, people talk about, are there any regrets there? Because obviously there was. It felt like what you were talking about where PFT and I, we don't fight off air, but it felt like it was kind of a real fight on air at times, and viewers can see that and feel that, and that's where it might turn a little bit.

Yeah, I understand that.

Yeah.

Trust me on this. I love that guy. And we were together for seven years in a very different way than you guys are together because we took it up a notch from Stephen A and I because in the end, Stephen A is more of a showman, an entertainer. So our debates could be a little sillier than the ex pro football player now in the hall of Fame versus me because I do know football, and I would take it to whatever depth Shannon wanted to go to on x and o football, wherever he wanted to go, I'll go there because I learned from a lot of great people in this business. I learned from Don Shula and Bill Walsh and Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson. I know football. I don't know the jargon that Shannon knows about 22 man and bomb blitz and whatever the Denver Broncos used or the Baltimore Ravens used. Used for jargon, but we would get into it about football, and he would get miffed occasionally that I would dare to go that deep with him about football when I didn't play football. And I've said this from day one, my experience debating pro football or basketball players is the greater they were at playing sometimes the less they actually can explain about why that or that or that happened.

Because not that they didn't work hard, but it came so naturally to them that they can't see or feel exactly why it works. See Michael Jordan as the team builder in Charlotte who was the biggest disaster of a general manager in the history of sports, the greatest performer and player in the history of sports, was the worst team builder in the history of sports for lo, those many years in Charlotte because he couldn't see why can he play and he can't because he was too supremely gifted at what he did.

Yeah.

Okay, so we would clash occasionally on the football part. Don't you understand? I'm in the hall. Yeah, I get it. I understand. But that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion that's correct about whether he can or can't play. My point is, I loved every minute with Shannon, but we took it to levels of supreme debate where it went right to the edge and occasionally slightly over the edge of competitive to where we got mad at each other. And by the 7th year, it's a long time, man. We had some great runs. We did some big ratings numbers. Trust me, that will never be touched again in fs one history. I doubt, God bless them, but I doubt it. But the point was that, yeah, in year seven, did we fray a little bit? Sure we did, but I fought for him to stay. And I don't know what happened between Shannon and the people upstairs because I was not privy, but he went before I went and it tore me apart. I did not want him to go. And I told him the last day, I sat with him in his dressing room and I said, I envy you because you're going to get to go do what I want to do.

I still had a year left on my deal and he got pushed out the back door and it tore me up and I missed him.

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So, so what would happen when you would go, I like, I like the idea of supreme debate, by the way. It's like a lights almost like nirvana. You've reached the higher. It's like an ayahuasca of debate. You've gone through the wall. But what would happen when it would get frayed a little, like the, the famous, obviously, the Tom Brady. That moment.

That was the moment.

Yeah, that was the moment. But what happens after the cameras are off? Is it fuck you. Fuck you. Is it don't talk for a while. Like what, tell us as viewers what, what, how that comes back together a little bit or did it not come back together?

I showed him from day one in 2016, shortly after you guys had started. Our first day was September 6, 2016. You were.

We were. March 26, 2020. Yeah.

So you're ahead about six months ahead of us. I tried to make him understand because I handpicked him because I really thought he could do this and he can do it and did do it because Shannon works hard at the craft. He was always prepared and always on time and always there for me. And I love him for that. And I will be forever grateful to him for what he gave to me for seven great years. Years or maybe six and a half ish. Because now to these incidents, the, the one. Okay, so I think I misunderstood some of what he was saying, but what we're talking about Brady, and I'm a Brady fan. I don't even know Tom Brady, but he won seven of these, and I can make a case he should have won eight, because I still don't understand why Bill Belichick benched Malcolm Butler for the Philly Super Bowl. I don't get it. I've not heard a rational, reasonable explanation of what happened. But he played the most snaps on defense, and then he doesn't play any snaps in the Super bowl. And I don't get it. Something must have happened behind the scenes.

But both Tom and Malcolm said nothing happened behind the scenes. My point is, it's hard to rip that. It's hard to. It's hard to criticize that as savagely as Shannon began to criticize Tom Brady. And I just couldn't get it. And so at one point, he says to me, you do understand I'm in the hall of Fame. And I said, yeah, but you're not in this guy's universe. He won seven Super Bowls. Nobody's in his universe. And Shannon got mad about somehow I'm disparaging his career. Well, no, he won three Super Bowls, and he's in the hall of fame. And there was some misunderstanding to it, but. But there was no lingering fight about it. And when we went to commercial, I tried to show him from day one, when we go to commercial, I am letting all of it go. I'm passionate about it, but I also know the show must go on. So I'm going to walk away for a second, as I always did. I walked over to my little desk, and I began to prep for our next debate, and I let it go. People who ran the show decided we should maybe sit down after that one, and we did, and we had a great talk about it, and we hugged and went on to the next day.

So we were really good. Yeah, we got through it. But that was the only day I can remember where he actually got mad on the air.

You could see it. And that's where it gets uncomfortable, where it's like, the chemistry.

And I told you, yeah, once you cross that line, audience is like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the. The danger you run when you do. Supreme debate.

That's supreme. And I needed ayahuasca after that.

You've reached levels that no man has ever reached.

So. So Shannon leaves, and like we talked about, you're trying to find your foil. Good luck with that. I hope, I really hope I mean, in my own personal dreams, I would hope that at some point you and Stephen a somewhere down the line could link back up again.

You never know.

What's the percentage chance of that happening?

I have no idea. We tried in 2020. To his credit, my deal was up after my first four years. So I've been there from 2016 to 2020. And he did his darndest and I did my damnedest to reunite with him. And they did make an offer, and I was unaware I had a matching clause in somewhere at the very bottom, in very fine print of my contract that was standard to all contracts. I was told I had one at ESPN that I was not aware of. And not only did Fox match, they did sweeten the pot. Thank you to Lachlan Murdoch for that. So they tried to make it happier for me to stay, but. But I tried everything in my power to rejoin him because I missed him dearly. Nothing. No disrespect to Shannon. I'd done four years with Shannon. I wanted to go back with Stephen. And then ESPN came up with a second idea of a hybrid show whereby I would stay on undisputed. He would stay on first take, but every afternoon we would reunite for 30 or 45 minutes to do ESPN plus together digital show. And we tried and tried to make it happen.

And it's just there are too many egos involved on both sides to two.

Competitors, you know, doesn't want to give anything to.

They don't, and vice versa. So that never got off the ground.

Well, I hope you find somebody. I hope you find your next foil. And I hope that foil is Stephen a. Smith somehow.

Thank you.

But Shannon goes on. He's obviously done really well at ESPN on his own. Did you, did you happen to see his Instagram live?

I did not.

You heard about the Instagram Live?

I heard about it. I'm. Give me some details.

Okay.

He was engaged with. In an activity. Okay.

Okay.

And that, it was like that for about 20 minutes.

We just did that in front.

It was very authentic.

Yeah, there was a lot of that.

Okay.

Yeah.

But you didn't see anything. You didn't see anything? It was audio only. When I saw it, I was like, I need to turn on notifications for skip Bayless because I thought you might have a take about it.

Yeah.

When you first saw it.

So do you have a take about it now that you've heard it from us?

I have no take about it. Do you guys have a take about it?

I think it's a perfectly normal activity that a healthy male was engaged in, and both parties seem to be enjoying themselves. You need to hear it again.

I feel like you maybe want to hear it again so that you can have it. Take it. It.

No, I'll, I'll wait until later today.

Okay.

Or maybe tomorrow.

Just be careful with your phone.

It might be with your phone.

It might just go live at any given time and we'll never know.

Yeah.

But, yeah, I hope you, I hope you find whoever that next foil is. Doing the podcast by yourself. You said you did for an hour, so just an hour of takes. Hour of takes.

Straight takes. Hard, long form, bearing my soul, emptying my heart. All the passion spills, and I've been doing it for a couple of years. I kind of did it with my left hand at Fox just to have some outlet, something else besides undisputed. And yet my greater passions lie in all these other shows that we are developing.

Did you find that over the years, youre, your enjoyment of sports has increased or increased? I love that because you talk to a lot of people in the business, and they say, like, after being around it for so long, you get either burned out or yet numb to it.

Yeah.

I like hearing that you're getting more excited by sports.

I mean, my God, I watched Vanderbilt University beat Alabama, and it was the greatest moment of my sports watching existence on this planet to where I felt a joy that I'm getting goosebumps as we speak. That lingers, that continues on through the week for me. I felt a satisfaction that I could spill out in my podcast that dropped this morning that I've never felt watching a game, and I'm still going strong, you know, like, like those things are happening. They're still out there. I was watching the Dodger game last night, and they used eight pitchers, and I'm thinking, you can't do that. I grew up in an era with Bob Gibson going nine every night in 2 hours and two minutes, and I'm watching Dave Roberts use eight bullpen. He's going one inning, 1.1 inning. And I'm thinking, this is absurd, the way the evolution has changed in this game. So I'm fascinate. I can't, I can't stop talking about all these things that drive your lives. Right, right.

Is there a take or an opinion that you wish you had back or one that you're like, man, that was dumb, or do you just always look forward?

Never. I would tell you the truth. I'm telling you from my soul, I have no regrets. If you have one, you want to throw at me.

I got a bunch. Derek Fisher will prove to be a much better NBA head coach than Steve Kerr.

Okay. I love Derek Fisher, and I still believe in.

Steve Kerr's won a lot of titles.

Yeah. Okay, what year was that?

That was 2014.

Okay. I still believe in Derek Fisher. Right place, right time. I just do.

Here's the thing. Big cat's not understand. At that time, he could have. Right? Yeah. Everything's wrong. And the benefit of hindsight.

All right, here's one. Manti tao. The next. Ray Lewis.

Yeah. I didn't know about the fishing incident. That was about the train.

Yeah. There was material change. Speaker one.

Okay.

Like Johnny Manziel. I thought he could go to Cleveland and take the town over to where he'd be bigger than LeBron James, ultimately, because football is way bigger than basketball in Cleveland, Ohio. And yet I said repeatedly on the air, and my bosses did not like it. I said, if he ever has drug or alcohol problems that plague him going forward into the NFL, because I had heard lots of stories. I said, I'm out.

Yeah.

So he did, and I was out.

That was smart. What about this one? Long term. Give me Josh Freeman over Camden. Better leader, more consistent passer, more clutch, more poised under fire, more careful with the ball.

Yeah. Love Josh Freeman at Kansas State. And love, you know, they went ten and six. I'm telling you.

Wait, what year? Okay, that was 2012.

Okay, I'm trying to take your substance abuse.

Yes. This is like.

This is watching, but I can't know that.

Yeah, no, you can't know that. It's material change.

Also, also, Cam Newton won an MVP in what he did. 2015. Yeah, that's pretty good.

That was pretty good. Kev Newton, pretty clutch. He won a heisman. That was a pretty. Pretty crazy year with a. He won a national title with not a great Auburn.

But then he started dabbing.

He won another one at. On the junior college level.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. He was pretty good. I mean, there. I like that you're able to. You're able to find your way out of all these.

No, I just. I can't know if they have off the field issues that are going to derail them. If you saw Josh Freeman beat Texas at Texas when he was at Kansas State, and they were nothing, he was impressed. You're a college guy.

Yeah, no, Josh Freeman, I like.

In that year, he's a pro bowler, and they're ten and six, and I'm sure that's when I did that.

I am a college. Cam was really good in college.

He was. He had the issue at Florida that got him kicked out of Florida, right?

Yeah, but he was really good.

I think Cam Newton has seen that. Last year at Auburn, that might have been the best season of any college player of all time.

You could make the case.

Yeah, but you didn't see Josh.

But Josh Green was also very good. He was second. He was number two.

What about. So where are we at with LeBron right now? Now I'm MJ over Lebron, but wherever. What does LeBron have to do for the rest of his career to maybe get a little bit of respect?

I mean, he's got respect. Listen, I still call LeBron the best passer in basketball to this day, to this moment. He's the best passer in basketball. He is the greatest driver of the basketball I have ever witnessed on any level, at any time. The poor man was just born without a clutch gene. And we see it again and again and again. So all of my LeBron debates have always been in the context that you started this question with MJ or LeBron. Stop it. Don't even go there because it's offensive to me. You would put those two in the same sentence because LeBron could not carry Jordan's sneakers and Mike's got a lot of sneakers to carry. Right. So where is he now? He's played 20,000 plus more minutes than MJ played, 20,000 more minutes than Michael Jordan played. And he's the greatest scorer in the history of basketball ball, even though he's a 74% free throw shooter for his career, which is pathetic given his magnitude as a scorer. As a three point shooter, he's at 34.8%, which among active players ranks in the. Among all players all time ranks in the shoots. Yet he's the greatest score ever because of longevity because he has stayed healthier at a high level.

He's obviously supremely gifted as a driver of the basketball. So he leads the world in scoring while he's a poor three point and a poor free throw shooter. And the second is more inexcusable because they're called free throws for a reason. They are free shots from 15ft unguarded. And Michael Jordan made 84% career from the free throw line. Lebron's at 74%. Larry Bird shot 89% for his career because they're called free throws. Look how many points LeBron has left on the table over the years. So that debate ended long ago. And yet, I remind you, we've seen back to back Denver series, La Denver series in which in fourth quarters, LeBron has been more pathetic than ever.

No clutch gene.

Yeah, no clutch Gene.

So what is the clutch gene?

It's being able to take and make the shot at the moment to win the game.

And Jordan obviously had the clutch gene.

The greatest ever.

Lebron. No clutch gene. What about LeBron's other titles? What about Cleveland? Delhi Dele carried him?

Well, no, I mean, LeBron's a great player. I mean, he's, he's obviously a very gifted passer and all around player, but he needs somebody else to take and make the Kyrie shot that won game seven at Oakland. Right?

Yeah.

Okay, so here's, here's an interesting thought experiment. We're not going to do LeBron versus MJ one on one right now, but what about MJ right now? How old is he? Is he 55?

No, he's all his 50th birthday. Washington.

He's like, I'm not sure.

Oh, no, he's might be at 60th.

Yeah, I think you're right.

It might be around 64. Yeah, let's just say Michael Jordan right now.

Okay, 64.

Let's see. 61.

61. 61 year old Michael Jordan one on one against Brawny, who wins.

That's. That's amazing. Fascinating.

Yeah.

Mike would just out intangible. Excuse me? Intangible him. He would out trash talk him. And by the way, I love Bronny because they raised him right. He's such a great kid.

Ron's a very good father. Hey, yeah, come on, you can see it.

Hey, you can. It's manifested itself a number one son. I mean, what a great kid. JJ Reddick keeps saying he's so coachable, and yet it's. It's ripping my guts out to watch brawny through the summer league when he didn't even belong in summer league, let alone G League. And now I kept saying, okay, maybe when he's alongside his father, it'll bring out the best in brawny because he got raised around all the superstars. Maybe he'll rise to that occasion. So now I've seen 1413 minutes stints in two preseason games, and it's summer league all over again. I've seen him make one basket late in the first game that he played a little left handed layup. And I'm like, like, really? Then I watch him again on the night that he actually is sharing the floor with his father for the first time ever. And he plays 14 minutes and he turns it over four times and he scores zero points. And I'm saying, I don't know if he can play seriously. So it's everything LeBron has lasted for was to play with his son. And what if his son just can't hack it? What if he just.

He doesn't deserve any minutes with the big league team? And I know LeBron well enough to tell you it's beneath the family's dignity for Bronny James to play in the g league for the South Bay Lakers. I don't think they want that because it's disgraceful. Like, it's below who they. Their stature that they've earned.

Yeah.

I think it's a very cool moment, though, for. It's a great story.

Okay.

It's a great story for a season. Yeah.

Okay.

Then what? Can the kid back it up? What if he's getting ten minutes a night and that kid, Max Christie, who's starting to come along? What if. What if he's going to JJ saying, seriously, what if, all of a sudden Jared Vanderbilt or any of the guys came reddish down the bench, they're going to JJ saying, you got to stop this. It's insanity. He just can't play. Then what happens is start to tear the team apart.

Yeah. No, it's a fair question. It's a fair question. Well, I have one or a couple last questions here, because I know you're going to do something else in the office. One question is, when you were in Bristol, you basically renovated a hotel room and got.

I did.

Is that right? And you got a satellite on top. You explain this, because this is like, I'm obsessive about making sure I can watch all the games, but this is to another level.

Okay. So they moved our show from New York to Bristol, and I had met my wife, Ernestine. We weren't husband and wife, but we were together. We were living together. Manhattan. She had a great job in Manhattan. All of a sudden, I got to go to the mothership 2 hours away, up into central Connecticut, and I realized the first day I was there as I stayed in the residence inn, which is in southington, Connecticut, just down the street from Bristol. ESpn. I really liked it. So why would I buy a place if they'll pick up the tab? And they said, sure, well, you could stay there as long as you. As long? Like 365. I'll do it. Done. So I made it my home away from home, and they loved me so much. They took care of me. I was there almost like their child. Upstairs, I was on the top floor. They let me have a satellite dish installed right outside my window on the top floor of the residence inn. I bought my own furniture. I got my own exercise equipment into the room. It was a great room, and it was some of the most fun I ever had because they came in and cleaned every day.

They gave me fresh towels every day. I loved it. It was some of the happiest days, of course, career wise.

Yeah, yeah.

It was the happiest time. The residence Inn. And so I would go back to New York on Friday afternoon and be with Ernestine. And yet she started to like it so much. She started taking my car service car up to Bristol for the weekend and do a reverse trip where she would stay with me at the residence inn because she enjoyed the people, and they're just good, good folks.

I miss a vacation from Manhattan. Like, yeah, I work in Manhattan Monday through Friday. Then I leave to get out of the city.

I go to Bristol.

Bristol, Connecticut. Go to Lake compounce water park and watch museum.

Thank you. Yeah, yeah. I miss that magical place. Yeah.

Big cat alluded to it earlier, but have you, have you ever had the occasion to cross paths with Charles Barkley? Yeah, he said he wants to kick your ass.

No, he has said way more than that.

He wants to kill you.

Kill you.

I think he said on the Dan Patrick show, he said, if I'm ever diagnosed with, like, a life threatening illness, just invite skip Bayless on the show so I can kill him on live tv. So you've never got got a chance to meet him.

This is the closest I got. But I'm pretty sure this wasn't the genesis of all this, because I was just a columnist in Dallas, Texas, for the Dallas Morning News, or maybe the Times Herald at this point. Spud Webb, then big NBA star, won the slam dunk contest. Good friend of mine. Players honored him and respected him so much that he would put on a big all star game every summer in Dallas. And everybody would come. Magic would come, Bird would come, Charles Barkley would come. And occasionally I was asked to be a celebrity coach of a team, but I would actually have to make substitutions with the players. So one year, Charles was on my team. I tried to introduce myself to Charles before the game, and he was uninterested in whoever the hell I was, was. And yet I did have to take him in and out of the game. So, true story. Near the end of the game, I leaned over and said, charles, you want to go back in? I'd like to try to win the game. And he said, brother, I want to win the game, too, but my shit hurts.

And I'm like, okay, fine. And I put somebody else in, and it was. Who was the shoot? I just went blank on the Kentucky. The white kidney shooter. Rex Chapman. Rex Chapman. So I put Rex Chapman in, in place of Charles, and Rex Chapman hit the game winner. That's a true story.

Tony Kuko, Scotty Pippen.

Yeah, that's right. It was bingo. So that was as close as I ever got to Charles. And then as soon as I started doing this and that for ESPN in the early two thousands, he started on his tirades against me on back in the day, Leno and Letterman and Dan Patrick, and I have no idea. But it got so bad that my wife, Ernestine, and her mother, God rest her soul, when she was alive, started to take it very personally because their point to me was there might be one psycho out there who listens to Charles and idolizes Charles and decides to do Charles's bidding and take you out. So you've got to figure out some way to get him to stop using the k word. He can rip and slash all he wants. I don't care. And I used to publicly thank Charles because he hung on every word I said on television, and I appreciated that. He was our most loyal fan of our show. But I finally went on my podcast a year and a half ago and just beseeched him to please stop using the k word. I just. For the sake of my wife and her mom.

And did he.

And I'm pretty sure he has. I don't, like, monitor it.

Yeah.

On a daily basis. Yeah, I think he quit the k word.

Yeah.

That's good. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Maybe one day we can bury the hatchet between you two, because you're right. It sounds like he does listen to what you say. Yeah, he gets mad at it.

I have no idea. I don't get what his issue is with me. And yet we would have Kenny Smith on, had him on a couple of times on first take, and he would always say, say, you guys are too much alike. And I mean, Charles are alike, but he said, just opinion wise. He wants his opinion to be the opinion, and he hears yours. And maybe he thinks, God, I wish I'd thought of that or whatever. Maybe there's some jealousy or resentment. I don't know. But I got nothing against Charles whatsoever.

I think people will ask us because on Wednesday's episode, our guest was Troy Aikman. So he was just on where are we? Athenae with Troy. Are things better? Are things worse?

Have you gotten touch? We're friendly. He. About my book that I wrote.

Yeah. Did you. Did you imply or did you say he was gay?

I did not say. You didn't read it?

I didn't know.

We don't read.

I understand, and I respect and appreciate. If you had read my book, you would love the way I portrayed Trey Troy in my book, because Troy was the hero of that book. I liked my portrayal of him that I signed a book and hand delivered it, the very first copy of my book, to Troy on the. It would be the camp practice field at St. Edwards University in Austin, Texas. First day of camp practice ended. I took my book up and gave it to him, and I was shocked that originally, he did not like it. But we have come back around, and he's been nothing but great to me, and we text, and I did catch your show with him, and I thought he was great.

Yeah, he was.

And he did it because he loves Joe buck like a brother, and Joe loves you guys and loves being on your show. And so it was clear to me he was cool with you because you're so cool with Joe.

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so I had one last question. This has been great, skip, we really appreciate you coming in. Rowback question. Promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com. promo code. Take 72 years old.

Yep. Going on 32, but yep.

Yep. You have more energy than everyone here. How many more years you got in?

I don't know. I never think about that. Honestly, I don't.

So we could have, like, a skip Bayless 90 year old screaming about you. Could LeBron's granddaddy grandchildren.

You could. I hope I'm screaming about Bronnie, but doesn't feel right at this point.

No, because it feels like you're not gonna. You're not gonna stop doing what you do, because, like you said, that is your life.

It's my life.

There's no retirement for Skip Bayless.

I don't even think like my wife. Every time somebody brings that up somewhere, we see it somewhere, she just laughs out loud at it, like they. They don't get you. Like, no.

Yeah, no.

That's the last thing in your universe is, I want to gear down. I want to gear up.

I love it.

Yeah.

Get back to the supreme debate. No one's ever done it before.

Yeah, you're like a guru. You, like, live at the top of a mountain, and occasionally people walk up the steps. How do I achieve supreme debates?

I love the idea of supreme debate. You and Shannon reach debate levels that have never been reached.

We did, actually.

Yeah.

And we took it right to that tiniest razor's edge.

It was dangerous.

And then we're, like, teetering on the razor's edge, and then we slip and we cut our foot.

People think they want to reach supreme debate, but if you're not prepared for it.

No.

It will end in a disaster.

Yeah.

Like, send somebody out on a surfboard and send them to Portugal during the storm and be like, yeah, go learn how to surf.

And seriously, when you reach that level with Stephen, a and then, Shannon, once you've been there, you're gonna love those two humans like you've never loved anybody the rest of your born days because you went. You went someplace with them no one's ever gone.

Right, right. You have something in common with them that no other human needs. It's almost like the guys who walked on the moon. There's only a few of them.

It's beyond that.

Yeah.

Right, right.

You can only relate to those guys, like, tantric debate.

Almost. Yeah. I love it. Do you ever. Do you ever miss writing?

I'm gonna write a book. I'm just about ready to start it about my wild ride through television. So I. I do miss it. I'm going to. I'm gonna reach hard for it very soon.

All right. Okay.

Well, Skip will read it.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for coming. This has been great. Anytime you're in the city, we'd love to have you back on. So good luck with everything and really, really appreciate it.

It's been a pleasure. I feel like I went into your supreme place.

Yes.

With you guys today that very few get to occupy. So I feel like it's been tantric.

Again, if you want.

No, also, I was right, by the way.

I do have a tweet where you said, MJ versus Lebron. Who would win in horse, so. I was horse. Yeah, you said horse.

I mean, I don't think we did it on the air. I just remember doing one on one.

Yeah. Yeah. I have horse.

What about this?

What? I have horse.

Lebron retires, and you just will.

In. In horror horse.

You shoot.

You couldn't Mike, just go to the free throw line and start shooting free thrusters?

Why would you have that debate? Because you. It's so clear that who would win that?

What year was that?

Let me find it.

You've dug deep.

Yeah. All right, so this was 2020, April 6. Covid, you said this will be an all time great. Who wins a game of horse between Jordan and his prime and Lebron and.

I just on air many times. We did one on one. You got me. You got me.

You needed something.

You're right. You finally want a debate from me? There we go, right there.

I've done what?

Congratulations.

As your co host.

I congratulate both of you for all your success and may it continue for many years.

Thank you.

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Okay, fire fest of the week. Let's wrap it up. Henry, everything's good?

Yeah, nothing crazy. The marathon. I mean, trying to.

The.

The marathon is a. It's a long route. It's directly. It blocks off every way for me to get to the office. I'm just gonna have to drive like 20 miles out of the way.

Why don't you park your car in a spot that you can get it on Saturday night?

Did you think about that overnight?

Yeah, I could do that. Just find a garage. I mean, you just didn't just walk to your car on Sunday morning or stay at Max's Super bowl.

It's a Super bowl.

What happened?

What do you say? Super bowl?

Because night before the Super Bowl, I stayed up in Hanks extra bed. Yeah, cuz, I was too drunk to get back to your room. Correct.

Which was down the hall.

No, that was when you didn't sleep on the bed. You slept on the couch, even though there was an extra bed.

In your puke shirt.

And my.

Yeah, and the pants.

Pants? Know the pants you put on the next day?

Yeah, I think the pants.

And you lost your phone.

I did this.

And one thing about you is that you could beat the fuck out of.

Hank, we don't have to talk about.

So.

We already talked about enough loss.

What. What loss was that? If I looked at the tweet, I.

Have it right here. Do you want me to say?

Yeah.

Okay. So this is Fire fest 22. Phillies blow World Series after two one series lead. Also, they got no hit in that World Series.

Yep.

2023. The union lose in overtime. The Eagles blow second half lead in the Super bowl.

That's what it was.

Okay. Yeah, that was the one.

Yeah, they were handsome. His fingers at his ears again. What? Memes? You could relive that on our YouTube. There's a vlog about it. There's also vlog coming out tonight where should be out right now about Max recapping and rumble and rubble. Yeah. Okay, thanks, memes. Hank, that's your only fyre fest, is that you don't know how to get here on Sunday.

Well, I was also upset about, you know, everyone. Everyone hating on me and everyone saying, I don't care, and, you know, just all the hate online. And then I watched the. The NBA starting five documentary.

Mm hmm.

Current guest Joe Missoula was one of the talking heads on it, wearing the Boston Barcelona hat. Love to see it, best friend. And they asked him about, like, tatum dealing with hate, and he. His response was very Missoula esque. He was like, you mean he gets to deal with it? You want. You want to be in that situation where you're getting the hate, you're, you know, on one of the best teams. Like, that's what's going to happen. He gets the privilege that, you know, gave me perspective.

I also would like to come to Hank's defense here. We've been doing this show very long time. I think the beauty of the show is that we're not all the same. And PFT. And I obviously, are obsessed with football. Hank. Maybe not obsessed with all things football, but that's the beauty of it. We have a guy who maybe not obsessed with all things football. We have a dog in the booth. We have a guy who's angry, trying to actively do a mutiny, and we have a big baby that won't talk about his teams anymore.

We're from all different dogs.

Yeah. We're from just different talking.

I'm just saying that they're bad.

We're just different. We're different people. That's the beauty of the show.

Yeah.

It can't. We can't all be the same. That would suck.

So, Max, what we can't have you do. We can't have you turn to Hank where after a loss, you just don't talk. That would be the worst.

We already talked about at the beginning.

That's true.

I got things to say.

Oh, all right, good, good.

Oh, no. That sounded like a threat.

I like it.

I just have thoughts.

I like it. I like fiery Max.

Okay, good. Firefight sank, and I have your back.

Thanks, people.

Just. We're at the point. I actually think this is partially the election coming up. I've had this theory that just everyone. I don't know why this thing is broken. I should stop playing with it. Everyone just gets way more on edge in election year. But we're at the point now where there are. We have millions of people listen to the show, and 99.9% of them enjoy the show, and then there's .01 that will find every little thing to hate or nitpick. You just can't listen to them.

Yeah, but I want to be like, I don't care what they say. Then I'm like, wait, that plays in the whole thing. I'm not caring, but I really just.

Yeah, what were you gonna say?

Hey, me just keeps asking, is the music.

No, he's still on. I love that. We're having, like, a real moment here, and he just popped it. Like mutiny. No, mutiny's still on, dude. I fucking replied yes in the calendar.

I'm down. I'm down to be mutiny off. I'm out of the mute.

But it's not about the mutiny. It's about showing.

Say to the mutiny.

Pug, pug, pug.

Look at it over.

Still looking it over.

Pug.

I don't know what I'm gonna do.

I told him if he said yes, no computers.

Pug, are you.

Oh.

This is why we got immunity. The guy's fine. Holding resources from.

I also could get. I just. It's just texting Pete. You could.

Yeah, I could text him. This is how we get the power.

Yeah, I don't.

I like, I don't want to deal with it. I don't care.

What about Shane? Is Shane. Hank in or Hank out?

I find I'm gonna change myself to a maybe on the crack.

Shane's gonna crack. He's. You're gonna crack him? No, no, thanks.

Gonna crack him. All right. I'm updated. I'm a maybe maybe on the.

Me, I'm just not replying to b's. I never replied to anybody. Calendar invites.

We know.

Yeah. It's against my whole ethos. They pop up on my phone.

Yeah.

I don't need to reply to them.

Hank, don't listen to the haters.

I don't.

There's very, very small percentage of people that hate everything about each and every one of us in this room and can't listen to it. We love everyone else.

They don't.

I even love the haters. They're listening. They. They just did want Hank to be different. You're being authentic to you, which is not caring about anything but golf.

Pretty. Pretty clean week. But I did notice something earlier today that affected me a little bit. I broke my nose when I was in college when I was playing a rugby game, and I got it fixed after it had started to heal. I never got the entire surgery on it. The doctor just basically put a rod up my nose and then punched it back into place as best that he could. But I think it's getting more broken as I get older. You know how, like, people that get old, their face becomes more of whatever it was. Like their features get more and more exaggerated?

Yeah.

I think that my nose is slowly migrating over to the side of my face as I get older because I caught myself where if you wear a certain pair of sunglasses, it shows off, like, the bridge of your nose. I think my nose is just moving to the side of my face as I get older.

Shit. You know? Also had a fucked up nose, Billy.

Oh, my God.

Yeah. No, I'm not. No, don't say. Don't put that evil out there. But, yeah, I think my face is just gradually. I'm becoming a Picasso painting as I get. As I get older.

I do miss Billy's loud nose breathing when he would eat, and it would be like an animal.

Yeah.

He'd just be like, yeah, he sounded.

Like Kenny G. Like, plays the longest note ever on the saxophone. It was Billy when he was eating his sub.

So, wait, what are you gonna. Can you go get it fixed?

I don't know. I don't know what I can do. But I haven't. I haven't, like, talked to a doctor about it since 2005. 2006.

I think I'm gonna go to a doctor, by the way, soon for a physical.

Okay, let me know.

Yeah.

Also, I have high cholesterol. Cause I had a physical.

Yeah, I gotta do that. I gotta do that. I'm gonna do that. I'm worried that they're gonna be like, whoa. Should have come in a while ago.

Yeah, that's what. That's kind of my big fear, too. So when I got the results back, and then that was the weekend of a pup punk show. So we were eating dinner, and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna do a salad. And then Frankie was like, yeah, I have high cholesterol. I was like, me too. And then Robbie was like, I also have, like, we're the only punk band in America where we all have high cholesterol. What's more punk rock than that?

Nothing. Nothing.

Get fuck lipids.

All right, I got two fire fests. One is. It's from. From both of my children. One or two of the three of my children. One is my daughter at school, had to do a project. What do. What is your. What does your dad do for work? And her answer that was written down was, plays around.

Yeah, it's fair. She's smart.

Oh, that one is a little moment where I was like, shit, she's kind of right.

Yeah, no, we just play. Our job is recess.

It was like this whole thing I saw just, you know, you get doctors, you get everything, and it just plays around. That's what I do. Play around. Yeah. And then on Tuesday, I was taking my son to t ball with my daughter as well, and I was. It was during the Mets Phillies game, so we took a break, walking to the field, and I looked down at my phone while they were sitting on some steps, taking a break and to look at the Phillies score. And my son hit me so hard in the dick that it brought me to my knees to the point that a random passerby actually said, do you need me to call someone? Because I was on the ground, two little kids crying, like, writhing in pain. And it made me remind. Reminded me of when we used to. Of dick. Dick hit each other, and we should bring that back.

Yeah, that was fun.

I'm ready. I'm warmed up. I get hit in the dick, like, three times a week, every week.

Well, Blake does go after my balls sometimes still. So I feel like I've developed callus.

Things, but it was a direct punch when I wasn't looking. And it's maybe your.

Maybe your son's going to grow up to be, like, the next generation of jackass that would rock if he thinks that's funny already.

Like, yeah, they didn't think it was funny because they saw me go. I went instant to my knees. Then they started crying.

So maybe he's gonna hate because they.

Were like, dad's hurt. And then the fact that a random stranger with a. With a stroller literally walked by and just like, do you need me to call someone's like, dude, who you gonna call? You call the cops on my son.

Called a dick doctor.

It was bad. Max, you got Firefest.

Yep.

Okay.

Last night after the game, I took, like, an hour and just kind of, you know, dark room. Just had to think about everything that just happened to in that game and, you know, the future of Philadelphia sports.

I feel like.

I know.

I feel like I know what he's gonna say. I don't text it to Becky.

I don't think you did.

Okay, hold on, hold on. Just hold on a sec. Just hold on a sec. Just hold on a sec.

I didn't eat during the stream because I was nervous. I know. A fat joke. All crazy. You must have been super nervous you weren't gonna eat.

Okay. Yeah, keep going.

And then I went to Kava and got a meal and sat down, like, by myself in, like, a corner. And a Mets fan came up to me and patted me on the back on his way out. And it was like. I assume it was. It was an awl. I couldn't really hear what he said, cuz I two had two headphones in listening to music, but I just got like, oh, okay.

And then.

And then. And then he just walked away. I have no idea what he said.

Oh, they're there.

By, like, it. By, like, a stooly.

Oh, that's tough.

We need that Mets fan to show his face, but I want to shake his hand.

Good for that Mets fan. Yeah, I was nice.

I was really nice.

Could have rubbed it in.

Yeah.

Hank thought you would order taco Bell to the wrong address, which would have been you.

Nope.

I know that.

It was like, I need to go eat healthy. I need to, you know, change.

You did calm there.

Yeah.

Not that.

I mean, it's like, buy some new boxers.

It's like the healthiest vast.

Every time I go to cava, I just get, like, 17 orders of the Pita chips.

I got zero orders of Peter.

Okay. All right, so then it's healthy.

I. Yeah.

You didn't get anything? No pita chips, zero pizza soda.

No soda.

Would you have for breakfast today?

Any. Any candy?

Oh, no candy. No candy breakfast? I did. I mean, I went and got a turkey bacon, egg white, breakfast sandwich on a bagel. But I got a bagel.

That's fine.

Yeah.

How many sodas on the plate?

Zero sodas. I had water.

What do you have for lunch?

Salad.

What are you gonna have for dinner?

What you listen to?

I don't know. We're probably gonna eat like shit tonight.

Yeah, good question. Heck, was it techno?

Probably. I don't know. I thought about listening to Philly sports talk radio, and then I was like, I can't do this. No, no, that's what I've been listening to all week.

And what are they saying on Philly sports talk radio?

I mean, they're. Philly sports talk radio is crazy. The best was we. The guys calling in after Wheeler start, and he. After he threw 110 pitches through seven innings on Saturday. And the guys furious that they took him out in the 8th inning, that they wanted to pitch 150 pitches.

Yeah, why not?

It's the playoffs.

If you don't, I mean, you go home. If you don't.

I would never. I would never let the manager take the ball out of my hand. I would want the ball in my hand.

Max, I feel bad. I hope. I hope you can bounce back.

Also, butt crack pictures are just always.

Well, that was something.

Yeah.

So your. So your underwear is ripped. That was a double whammy. All right, numbers.

Three, five.

Come on, memes. I'm pushing you to be great, memes. 69. I'm pushing you to be great, memes. 99. Pug. Pft. Memes. You were gone. This.

No, no, this would suck. 21.

What was your number, Max? Eleven. I think you're gonna get it. Wait, is eleven AJ Brown's number? Oh, he's starting to believe again. 25. 25. Love you guys.