Transcript of Kyle Rudolph In Studio, Francis Ngannou Via Hologram, Saints Are On Quit Watch, NFL Week 7 Picks And Preview + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Yeah, Bo Nicks. Bo Nicks. He did it tonight.

Kind of.

He did all of it tonight.

The Broncos russian game did it a lot.

If you've ever wondered what Taysom Hill would look like if he was a little bit better at passing and a little bit worse at running, you got the full Bo Nicks taste. Some hill experience tonight because Sean Payton was doing the old taste and hill playbook for Bo Nicks. And nobody loves calling their own number more than Bo Nicks. He drops back like he does the five step drop. Looks one way. He's like, fuck, Bo Nicks has to run this ball.

Bone has to run this ball or throw it in between two wide open receivers. So when you were like, Bo Nicks was fun a couple of weeks ago, I was like, I don't know. And I was thinking more about Oregon. Bo Nix watching tonight, like, being able to take in a full Bo Nick's game without any other games going on. It's Auburn Bo Nicks, and I'll agree he is fun because he just, you don't know if it's going to be the worst pass or the best pass every single time he throws.

We had full blown bow tonight. Yeah, he was doing Knicks on it.

And he was, it was the Broncos running game. They ran it down their face. I think they had over 200 yards rushing. And the Saints are officially on quit watch.

I would like to opt out of watching the Saints this year.

That two and o start, baby.

That. How bad is Dallas? That's what tonight really told me. How bad are the Dallas Cowboys?

Yeah.

Now obviously Derek Carr not playing. That has a little bit to do with it, I think. But the fact remains that the Saints, they're old, they're not fun, and they're not getting any younger or more fun because right now we've talked for the last like five years about how the Saints have just been in cap hell their entire life or the entire, at least like feels like the last decade right now. They own. This is from Jason OTC. They have only three players on the salary cap who would save the team more than $3 million in cap room next year if they cut.

Oh my God.

So their current 2025 salary cap position is the worst in the NFL of Gann. And how bad is it, big cat?

How bad?

It's 75 million more in cap commitments than the next worst team.

Jesus.

And this is what cap, we're, we're currently witnessing cap hell.

And they also are like, when I say quit, watch. Obviously injuries happen, but when key players start being like, hamstring injury, a weird knee injury, and you're like, did we even see him get injured? It might be quick time. Dennis Allen, Richard Sherman said at halftime, he's like, they're trying to get Dennis Allen fired. I wouldn't be shocked. And the Saints are just like, this was so, this was a bad game, but I kind of enjoyed it just from the fact that, like, Thursday night Football, the last two weeks, we've had really good games. Thursday football should be bad. We should just embrace the bad and just like, just bathe in just shitty, gross football. Cause you know, you got all the football coming up. It's like the entry point to the weekend. And I kind of enjoyed the fact like, even that first pass that Bo Nicks had where he split his wide receivers that were both two guys that were opening as wide open as you.

Can miss both of them equally.

Yeah, and, and, but, yeah, it was bad football from the Saints, better football from the Broncos. Broncos are feisty. Their defense, good. Patrick Sir Tan wasn't even playing. And Bo Nicks, he's a roller coaster.

He's a roller coaster. So, yeah, it's funny that you bring up like, what Thursday Night Football used to be, because it's the one thing we, you know, old people like to be like, back in my day, everything was better. No, it's like, back in my day, Thursday Night Football was shit socks. If you get good Thursday night games, that's not what Thursday Night Football is. Thursday Night Football, I think, is at its peak when Al Michaels is actively complaining about how shitty the game is.

The. When I think Thursday Night Football, I think Broncos, Colts last year, two years ago, Matt Ryan versus Wilson, that was bad. That's, it still will come because as the season goes on, the Thursday night football games get worse. That happens every year. Early season, Thursday night Football, you can get some good, like, shootouts. Then as the season goes along and everyone's banged up, it just gets worse and worse and worse. And I love it. I love it. So Broncos bet. I mean, they're four and three. Sean Payton's doing a pretty good job. That, that Bo Nick's design run on fourth and one was nice. That was some. Sean Payton's like, I got, I got both. Like you said, I have taste some hill in Bo Nicks.

Yeah, he, he's running the taste of Hill playbook. And Bo Nix, he's not a great passer yet. He's not afraid to throw the ball. But he's not very good at doing it. No, but he's better at passing than taste. Him is.

Yes.

He's just not as physical of a runner. But they're doing like the exact same plays that they used to do with taste. And I'm looking at the schedule for Thursday Night Football. We have a couple Vikings play next week, but it's at the Rams. Then we have Texans. Jets. That's going to be. That's good on house, gross on Halloween. Texans at jets.

Okay, that, but that will be gross. Like, it will be a good, like, that's a good game on paper, but that will be a gross game. Cause, you know, both defenses will just have their way and it will be like frustrated Aaron Rodgers.

And it's on Halloween. So there might be somebody in the stands that's dressed up as a fireman and who knows if he's going to get on the jumbotron.

Yeah, that's a great Sunday game and a bad Thursday.

I agree. I agree. And then Bengals at Ravens.

That will be fun.

That'll be fun. Then we got commanders at Eagles for a perm week.

Twelve. Steelers, Browns. I'm looking forward to that one.

Oh, yeah. Take the under. All right, what do you think? Let's guess the spread in advance. Thursday night, November 21, Steelers at Browns.

Thursday night, 35 and a half. If Deshawn's still playing, is it going.

To be Rossi or is it going to be Jussie?

I think it's be back to Jussie.

Back to Jussie. I'm going to say, yeah, 34 and I'm probably going to take the over. It's probably going to lose.

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so we also had some playoff baseball happen. Unbelievable comeback by the Guardians. They were down two. Oh, they were down. They were up three one. And then class A comes in and who has been their lights out closer? Blows the game. Seasons over. Down 30. It's all, it's all for not is.

Back to back dingers by Judge and Stanton.

Yeah. And then the Guardians just hit just two huge bombs. A walk off and one in the 9th or no, was nine outs. Two outs in the 9th and they're down to. That's the beauty of playoff baseball, is like, do I think the Guardians are going this series? No. But that type of game, you just never know.

Do you see the video of the stadium? They got the, the audio reaction of the stadium from like a mile away. It was rock and it was sick. It was incredible. I, the Guardians, I think they'll win one more game. I think the Yankees are the better. Same sex.

But whoever wins the next game.

Oh, you think?

Serious?

Wait, wait. But no, the series doesn't start until the road team wins a game. Right. A rod taught me that.

I'm just happy for Guardians fans because that felt like it was just going to be doom and gloom. No chance to even celebrate. You beat the Tigers, obviously, but then you go to the Yankees and you get swept or losing five. But that was an awesome, awesome scene. And now they got hope, and now they got life.

Now they don't have to go back to the Browns.

Yeah. And then the Mets are memes.

The game's not over.

It is seven to two.

Three. We still have three.

Three white more innings.

Three. Nine more outs.

There's nine more outs.

So if we are wrong, if we.

All right, if we're wrong up to this point, we're dead.

Okay, but I was gonna say if we're wrong, cause we. The Thursday night football game is so bad. We're like, all right, we can just start recording. And this mets Dodgers, game seven two. If we're wrong. Before we get to our picks and preview, I want a solo three minutes of memes. Three minutes of memes. Just going, like, coward. Just talking.

Francesa.

Yeah. Memes. Francis, you could do three minutes, but I need it to be three minutes. I don't want you to be like, you know what? And no jets talk.

And you.

And you can't.

You can't do karaoke tequila either.

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh, yeah. No. Pug should open up the three minutes with 30 seconds of pug.

You know? I want pie. Want pug in memes in these seats.

Okay.

Yeah, that would be that. I mean, now I'm kind of rooting for the Mets to come back.

And if the Mets come back, then we should have seen that coming.

Yeah.

Because this is what the Mets do.

That's true.

Although, unfortunately, they didn't come back. They lost.

It feels like the magic. The Dodgers are just too good and get too many. They have too many dudes. And, like, I mean, it started with Shohei hitting a bomb in the first. That home run he hit on Wednesday night, that was a. He put it on the moon stadium.

Did they see crazy? Did they measure how far it went? I know it was the upper deck. Like, the middle of the upper deck, but was there tape measure on there?

Max gonna look it up.

Okay.

Max is gonna look it up. Max is gonna look it up.

Cause sometimes those balls are going to the upper deck. I expect them to come back and say, this is a 470 foot home run. And they say it's like 390.

Yeah, because it's the height of it.

Height is overrated. I've always said that.

He's gonna look it up.

Max said he's struggling. Too many leadoff walks, though, for the Mets given to the Dodgers.

And Shohei finally got a hit when there were no runners on base. That was a weird stat that he had.

Yeah. Now he's one for 21.

One for 21 in the playoffs with runners on base, which is. It's crazy. At some point, you have to think about not having him hit lead off, right?

Yeah. Yeah, you'd think. So. What is it? What do we got?

Struggling, Max.

Struggling.

Go to stack cast.

Just go to the box score.

Yeah, I thought I realized that mid right when I said I was struggling.

Come on, Max. Come on, Max.

All right. How far do you think it was, big cat?

I think it was. You're you're right that they. They always. Those upper deckers are the best.

Spencer Rattler just through the most. Jamis Winston interception. Not Jamis Winston.

And the Broncos are going to score again. I'm going to say it was 438. Oh. 397. That's bullshit.

That is bullshit. Right? That went halfway. That's wrong.

That's wrong. I don't trust that shit. 32 to three is a very funny school. Maybe scoragami.

Let me look up. Score. Got me.

Might be a scoregomi.

That would make.

33 is a tough number to hit. That's a. That doesn't feel like a football number. No, 33. Because, like, you get 34, sometimes you have to go for 135. Obviously. Spencer Rattler. I feel bad for Spencer Rattler. He doesn't really. He's lost, like, his entire offensive line. Olave was out. Shahid was out. Brutal.

I think they had eight starters out today.

Yeah.

So they. I think they had three actual starters on offense that were playing.

Yeah. Okay. Do we have anything else? And maybe we'll. Maybe we'll have memes on in a second and not us. No, there's no chance. There's no chance.

Memes, they gotta run around base.

I'm rooting for it. Memes. I would love to see if it gets tied. You still have to do it.

I'm in.

Not even a win. Yeah. Yeah. If it gets tied. That would be crazy. If it got seven. Seven.

And then what would he talk about?

He'd talk about them losing and coming all the way back.

You'd have to do. It's three minutes of Mets contest, three.

Minutes of Mets content. You want to do it anyway?

No, no.

I kind of want to see it. Pugging memes in the big chair.

I'm gonna be here. I thought we were having an early night.

Yeah. All right. Okay. All right.

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It was one of the best weekends for favorites of all time.

Yeah, it was crazy. So this is a trap weekend. Watch out. Don't fall for the traps.

Come in your trap. Take your trap.

Yeah. Kirkazzo memes, how do you feel about screwing that quote up? And how many times did people get mad at you online? Which quote, the Kirk cousins one. Come in your trap. Steal your trap. Take your trap. Come in your trap. Take your trap.

Come in your trap. Pull out of your trap.

Take your trap.

Come on.

Who's messed up?

Well, you said Kirk Cousins talking about his upcoming game in Seattle. He was talking about his game in the, uh, wait, whoa. Tony Bennett is retiring. Breaking moves.

The, the singer.

Breaking moves. Virginia head coach Tony Bennett is retiring. How about that? Hell, man. Memes off the hook.

So is Virginia gonna be fun this year?

I don't know. It's, they can't, they can't do that.

They can't. Speaker two. You can't do a switch, right? You can't just switch up your style.

No. That's a weird out of nowhere.

And then who's gonna take his spot? And is, Isdev probably going to be an assistant, right?

Yeah. I always wanted Tony Bennett to come, come to Wisconsin, but, uh.

Wow.

Tony Bennett retiring. Okay. Means comments on the screwing up of that quote.

I'll take full accountability.

Okay. Okay. Good, good.

There's a trust issue with I send stuff to Shane.

Oh, no.

And I didn't overlook it when sending, and that happens.

Did you send talking about his upcoming game in Seattle?

I sent him the video.

Oh. And Shane editorialized. But you're gonna ability.

Because I press send. I just didn't read it.

It was walk into your trap. Take over your trap.

Yeah.

That was main quote.

Kirk Cousins has become the most Atlanta guy in the world. Mm hmm. I love it.

I love it. I, yes. Nothing, nothing brings me more joy than just seeing, like, after a game, when Kirk Cousins puts on his little, like, mascot chains.

Yeah. Yeah.

And everybody, like, claps for him. Like, look. Look at our little boy jumping around.

It's the best. It's the best.

He does the Taylor swift dance, the swag. Surf.

Yeah. Swag and surf. Okay, so London. Let's start there. Hank, will you be waking up for this game?

Yes, bro.

Yes. Yes. The whole game.

You're in London time.

Drake May.

Yeah.

In London going up against the Jaguars. How are we feeling?

This is a trap game. You said this is, this is the trap week.

I don't know.

I don't think the Patriots don't have a trap game.

Yeah. Neither can the Jaguars.

Yeah, it's untrapped, but the Jaguars are.

I guess the Jaguars could be a trap game, but not against another one in five team.

But the Jaguars arrested.

That's related. But you knew that. So that's a trap that, you know.

But I think people are. I'm just worried that, you know, Jack was a favorite.

Yeah, they are five and a half.

Can that be a, can that be a trap game? Patriots?

Yeah. That doesn't make sense.

A lot of people out, you don't know.

Sure.

That are like the Patriots. Drake may look really good, explosive offense.

But you lost by 20.

Jaguars are terrible. But there was some, there are some flukey turnovers.

Okay.

Jaguars are bad. This is gonna be Drake Mays coming out show. And I'm just worried that, you know, the travel, you know, the Jaguars being acclimated, not traveling. I'm just worried that, you know, people think that this is gonna be Drake maze coming out party, and it just might not be yet.

Okay. Are these people in the room with us right now?

No, I'm prepared for the trap. I'm not falling into that trap.

Are you gonna take over the trap?

Not the London trap.

I think the drink mates have a good game. Are you worried about his health?

You got an MRI. That was a scary.

Was that a real story?

Yes.

Who reported it?

I thought a lot of people did.

I saw last night the Patriots reporter, Ben Bolan, I think was the one who reported it. No one else reported it except him.

I just saw that he took an MRI. And then after, there was no concerns after the NR.

And then I saw it was tweet from an account saying, mister, fill me up. Who said Idm? Ben Vullen and told him Drake May had an MRI. Hope this helps.

So it might have been, he might.

Have been a fake MRI.

He might have eaten the trash?

It might have been a fake mRI or a fake fake mRI story.

Drake May was a full participant at practice. There is no great concern regarding his injury. And NFL Networks insiders, Ian Rapport, Mike.

Garofalo, that was the follow up that they. I think only one guy reported that he had him.

May was on the Patriots injury report.

Yeah. So that.

So the team actually listed him on there with a knee injury. The Patriots would never play fast and loose with the league's injury policy.

They did not deny him having an.

MRI, but they did not confirm it either.

Correct.

I. That would be funny, though, if he got caught by some guy being like, hey, heard you got an MRI. I think the Patriots are going to be a live dog here.

So I don't know how the Jaguars are favored by five and a half.

I don't.

That's a lot. It's a lot.

Sounds like a trap.

A trap to take the Jaguars. No, because they shouldn't be favored by five. If this line was three, I'd be like, oh, that makes sense. Or five and a half point favorites. Overdose.

The Jaguars are bad, which is why they're gonna. You see that you like, the Jaguars are bad. I'm gonna take the page.

But the Patriots are also bad. You're forgetting that part of this equation.

But when you see five and a.

Half, Jaguars are a trap game. But the Patriots are equally as.

The line makes no sense happening inside.

The Jaguars are really bad.

What's happening inside Hank's head is that Hank is thinking about the Patriots as a collective, like, football team that he knows and the Jaguars as a collective football team that he knows. And he's like, why are the Jaguars favored by five and a half?

I think the Jaguars should be favored by five and a half over anyone. But the Patriots are also bad.

I know.

I don't think you can. It can't be a trap game if you're an underdog.

Let me just.

You struggle with me. Sounded out.

No, I know.

Sounded out. Okay, big cat.

Dan Katz. I think this line makes no sense. The Jaguar shouldn't be favored five and a half first. Anyone? The Patriots are going to be live dogs. So it sounds like you're gonna bet the Patriots.

Yeah, which probably that might be. No, it's not a trap. I'm gonna take the Patriots.

Hank stuck the trap. Hank is hypothesized. Double trap.

So we should take the Jaguars.

Yes.

Okay.

That's my point.

Got it.

I think you might.

That makes sense.

You might be trapping yourself.

No, I've said, you guys just explain my whole point.

I. Alright, so when I, when you, when we first started this conversation, we said trap game. I was thinking like a good team going to play a bad team, overlooking them. That's the trap game. You're just talking strictly on the line. That's a trap. Yeah.

You're overlooking how bad the Patriots are because the Jaguars are also bad.

Okay, now makes sense. Now I gotta take the Patriots.

But I don't think that's the right move.

I have a positive Trevor Lawrence, stat. Well, not positive, but more in Trevor Lawrence's defense.

I think I have the same stat.

Yeah. The amount of drops.

Yep.

Yeah. So, Trevor Lawrence, since coming into league in 2021, the Jaguars have dropped 113 passes per ESPN research, most in the league and 21 more than the second place team, Kansas City. That's insane.

It's also crazy that Kansas City has the second one. How many of those are Kidarius, Tony? Yeah, we have to account for that. Also, I read something pretty interesting about Kansas City and their drop rate the other day. People think that their lights were fucked up for like the last seven years, like the night games in the stadium.

Oh, really?

The light frequency, however, like, whatever. Like, I don't even know what you call it, but it was a type of light that didn't provide. It was almost like a mini strobe effect. And it fucked up every single receiver that played there.

Okay.

And it was only in the night games. And it was for every team that was like, statistically an outlier to every other night stadium. So that might explain part of it. Also Kaderia stoning, also kid area stony. But, yeah, that is. It's something. Not bad for Trevor Lawrence. Like, I've seen a lot of drops, especially this year.

Yeah.

His receivers have dropped some easy catches and easy touchdowns.

Can I just say one thing about it? Because there were some Jaguars fans being like, the Jaguars dropped four touchdowns against the Bears. It would have been a different game. Three of them were on the same drive. You can't score three touchdowns on one drive.

Yeah, that's a seven point swing.

Yeah, but they did drop a lot of balls. I said it on Sunday after the game. I said exactly that. The Jaguars dropped a lot of balls and Trevor Lawrence is not getting any favors.

What about Cisco talking about quitting? Yeah, his teammates seem to kind of have his back. So Andre Sisko, after the game said, feel like, should I say this? A lot of quit. There was a lot of quit out there. We weren't playing as one. You don't like to use the Q word. There are two words you don't like to use in football, the Q word and the s word for soft. So when he said that, we quit, at first I was like, sounds kind of weird to say that about your team. But then I thought about it and I was like, well, he's not wrong.

No, definitely not wrong.

He's not wrong about it. I feel like his teammates were kind of in that same mindset where they're like, yeah, we fucking quit last week.

Yeah. And I think this game comes down to, does anyone in that locker room, like, or feel good about Doug Peterson, because if they do, they have to win this game to save his job. But if they don't and want to quit, like, you kind of can get out of it because he's going to get fired if he loses this game. Right.

Possible mutiny.

Yeah. Oh, we know about that, Hank.

Are you. Are you afraid of a mutiny?

No, Hank.

So I think Jerry's gonna look good. The Jaguars defense is bad.

I hope so. I hope he's well rested. He gets, you know, no funky stuff with the layover or anything.

Yeah.

When did they travel?

I don't know.

Gotta look into that. Jaguars are acclimated.

So what's your, what's your pick, Hank?

My pick? In this game?

Yeah.

I have to make one.

No, over. Okay. All right. I like that. Wembley. Wembley Stadium. They have a half retractable roof.

So is it going to rain this weekend? There means.

I think so. So half of the field, it's going.

To rain on half the field.

Half the field will be rain.

I want to. I want to look up what the first half or first quarter line is, even, because the Patriots, I think they might be the worst team in the league in the first quarter.

What about the second and third and fourth?

Well, that's. That's different stories.

Yeah.

Quarter. But this would be the ultimate first quarter because it does include, like, you, if you see a team that sleepwalks there, where they're still going to acclimate.

And the Jaguars did win this spot last year against the Bills. Remember their second London game? And the Bills were pretty good last year, and they beat the bills. So, yeah, I guess. Fuck. I think hank was right. I think this is a trap for the Patriots. Well, it's a trap team.

It's a trap for us.

Okay. So, yeah. Where are you finding it out?

I'm looking.

When do they go? What do you got, memes or max?

60% rain.

60% rain. But that's 30% rain with a half retractable roof.

Correct.

I think they did that right. Half retractable roof. I don't really understand it. Oh, Max, it means you through something.

That'S, like, so far, right?

Yeah. Well, no, the Lightning can come in.

The Lightning comes in.

Yeah. All right, Hank, find that for us. We'll go to the next game. Okay. Seahawks at Falcons. Seahawks at Falcons. I kind of like the Seahawks in this game.

I think that the Seahawks, their defense isn't that far away. There have been injured, and, yeah, they're dealing with a shitload of injuries and they give up a lot of big plays. And I feel like that's a symptom of having a brand new defensive system that they're running with, with McDonald. But I feel like they're not far away because when they're not letting up the big plays, they're actually not that bad against the run.

This also feels like a hungry dog runs faster game where you have the Seahawks on a three game losing streak. And the one thing that I could point positive to Seahawks, well, actually, two things. One is from my friends at Sports Info solutions. The Seahawks love to run plays against middle of the field, open cover two or four. The Falcons run a lot of that, so there should be, Gino should be good today or Sunday. Also, the Falcons have no pass rush whatsoever. They are averaging less than a sack a game. They didn't sack Andy Dalton once last week against the Panthers. Does feel like every Seahawks game we've watched the last few weeks, Geno Smith has been running for his life and been under pressure constantly. He might have some more time this week. I like to see.

Yeah, he hasn't really been taking sacks, but he's been having to move around a lot and then just dumping the ball off or throwing out of bounds and just firing something off that's not on target. Remember Matthew judon?

Yeah.

He's on the Falcons.

Yes.

Remember the guardrails?

I do remember the guardrails.

Guard rails were huge for this. Yeah.

So I feel like. I feel like the Seahawks are close. They're not good. Their defense, don't get me wrong, their defense, especially their rush defense, is not good. I think it's the worst in the history of the Seattle Seahawks right now. But what I'm saying is they're not far from being good.

Yeah.

They just got to fix a couple things.

And the Falcons do run the ball well. I like to see Ox in this spot. I like the Falcons overall, like, for the rest of the year, but I've also retracted my take. I've done some soul searching about the bucks. I apologize for saying the bucks aren't very good. It is 100% Che bias.

Yeah, that. I mean, I can read you like a book. I know it was deep seated.

I just. I sat with Che for an entire game watching him, and I just. It sits with you and it really eats away at you.

Let me say, I get it. Yeah, I get it.

Everyone gets it.

It's not fun.

People who watch our streams get it.

There's an unnamed executive at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who, when informed that I would be much more of a Bucks fan if it wasn't for Stephen. Che informed me that they're willing to part ways with Stephen Chase. A Bucks fan means that they can open up the big tent to getting people on the band.

Because I love Mike Evans. I love Baker Mayfield. I love. I love Chris Godwin. I love vita vay.

I love Bucky.

I love Bucky Levante, David. I love all these guys. Yeah, they're. They're a fun team.

Check chase.

Gatekeeping screws it for all of us. Okay. Titans at bills. Amari Cooper now on the bills, he said that it's always funny because you, you forget, like, Cleveland and Buffalo are very close together. So on. He drove to Buffalo from Cleveland when traded, and he said he had a lot to think about. Said Josh Allen plays a lot of grit and hustle. Called him one of the league's best top quarterbacks. To play with him was really cool. And he said that it felt like the first day of school again, driving from Cleveland to Buffalo.

That's awesome. I'm excited. First days.

Wait, wait.

First day school? Not. No, first day school is fun.

Yeah. Because you get your new fit.

Yeah. You got a little fit. You get to see all the people. Second day of the summer.

Yeah.

You go in there and you act all big and bad. Second day syllabus week. Not that fun before you get to college.

Yeah. And I love the Internet for. I hate the Internet for a lot of reasons. I love the Internet for the random. Hey, someone just thought of this game. Josh Allen has thrown a pass to a completion to Mario Cooper. Did you see that clip going around? It was in a week, week eleven game between the Bills and the Browns, and he threw one to the sideline, and Mari Cooper one handed it. And the best part about the clip is the game was happening at Ford Field.

Oh, I love that.

Because of the speaker three. So it's the most random clip ever to be like, look, Josh Allen and Mari Cooper have a connection.

I feel like this is where people are going to get sick of the bills glazing, but I feel like this is a great move for the Buffalo Bills.

Yeah. And this is also. I feel like this might be a smash spot for the bills. The Titans. I can't. I can't keep believing in the Titans. I keep doing it, and I just. I gotta quit him. I'm quitting them. Going cold turkey on the Titans.

I'm gonna say. I'm gonna. I'm gonna call it right now. This is the weekend where Josh throws an interception.

Oh.

But I think the bills are gonna win.

Hunters start.

Yeah, I think it's. I think it'd be good for Josh to get that first one out of the way.

I just. I'm done with the Titans. Done.

It's probably smart.

Can't do it. Can't do it anymore. Done with the Titans.

Ah.

Bengals at Browns. This is me. A fun game? Not really.

Well, yeah.

Okay. Here's why it's gonna be fun. Let me pitch you on Bengals and Browns. Mario Cooper got traded. The vibes in Cleveland could not be worse, except for the fact that Nick Chubb is back. And I've watched multiple videos now, I think three different videos of Nick Chubb, whether it be going out to the practice field for the first time. He did a press conference the other day. This team loves Nick Chubb as much as they hate Deshaun Watson.

Yeah. Nick Chubb is the best.

They are. They. It was basically, he was standing at the podium getting ready to talk to the reporters and all the guys. They must have been walking in a hallway, and they all were just screaming like, chubbs back 2424 and all this stuff. I think that you will maybe get a one game bounce from Nick Chubb being in that huddle, and I might only run the ball ten times, but just. They needed something to change the vibes. Nick Chubb changes it for a game. I kind of like the Browns gets spread.

Nick Chubb is very easy guy to root for. And I've been watching some of his mic dups where he's on the, he's got, he's wearing the wire and he steps out on the field, and then the video goes for like two minutes, and Nick Chubb still hasn't said anything. Yeah, he's the best guy in the NFL to mic up.

Yeah.

I hope they have him wearing the wire this time because it's just him breathing, grunting, and then that's it. That's all he does out there.

He's going to be fun. It's going to be fun to have him back. The Browns have not scored 20 points or had 200 yards passing in a game. Maybe it changes this week also.

Well, here's what's wild about that. You said 20 points. The last two home games that the Browns have had against the Bengals, they've won by 19 or more points.

Oh, so they own the Bengals.

They own the Bengals.

Yeah. Kevin Savansky. Also, Nick Chubb did a really good piece in the Players Tribune. We're talking about his injury, his leg atrophying. To a point where he said his leg was the size of his arm, which his arm is really big.

Yeah, big, big leg.

But Kevin Savansky told reporters that Nick Chubb is a better journalist than all of you. Better football player, too.

Better journalist.

Didn't have to add the football player.

Well, technically not a journal. He's a blogger.

Yeah, Kevin, but I like the football player being added. Just looking at a bunch of, like, journalists being like, Nick Chubb's a better football player than you guys. Yeah.

Probably accurate.

Yeah. But I still believe in the Bengals. They'll probably win this game. I just think it's gonna be tighter than we expect. And, yeah, the Bengals. This is where the Bengals hat, they're in must win territory, especially against the team that they are on paper, on the field. Everything better there. Yeah.

So the Browns, I want to bet on the Browns this weekend. I know that's very stupid, but you gave me a reason. With Nick Chubb coming back, they've been the worst vibes ever in the NFL this season. Deshaun Watson continues to set records for just all the stats you can find. Any bad quarterback stat, and Deshaun Watson will be number one across the board in all of them. I feel like this is, it's all lining up. The Browns, Bengals. We know how that's gone recently. Nick Chubb coming back. It's at home. I think I like the Browns.

Yeah.

Will I be man enough to bet on the Browns this weekend?

I don't know. I think I'm going to be, and it's going to be scary as all hell. Texans at Packers. I got something I got to say to the packers, and this is, this actually comes from a place of respect, so hear me out. The packers going with the all white uniforms and all white helmets are a disgusting affront to football.

Color rush.

It's a disgusting Thursday night to football. I, the green Bay packers. Hear me out. The Green Bay packers. And I hate them. I hate them.

Can you use the proper term for it, though? It's the winter warning.

The winter warning. I hate the packers. But they, their football jerseys and color scheme are football like. That's what you think. That's classic football. They are a franchise 100 years old. They have all this history. Like, they should never do any type of gimmicky alternate bullshit. They have a uniform. It's like changing Alabama's uniform or Penn State's uniform. Like, don't do it. The packers have a uniform that works. Don't change the helmet. It's, if you're a Packers fan, you should be disgusted by this. I think that this is disgusting and the whole franchise. It's disgusting.

I think that this is an appropriate uniform to wear in a late December game at Lambeau Field when it's snowing. Yeah, well, that would rock. Do you know what the temperature is going to be at Lambeau Field?

74.

Yes. You can't have the winter warning jerseys on when it's 74 degrees outside.

This matchup. This, this uniform matchup stinks. What are you gonna say, Max? You like it?

Yeah.

Package jersey.

No, they aren't. The green. No. All right.

The jerseys are rock in a snowstorm.

The jerseys are fine. You can't do the white helmet.

Probably not gonna happen in middle October.

I think you're gonna. We're gonna turn this game on. We're gonna look at.

No.

This matchup like those. No, this is a sick uniform.

I would never say that. First of all, I actually would. I mean, their unit, their regular helmet is a great helmet. You should never change it, Max.

You can't turn on it. It's impossible to turn on Texans game and say this is a great all time uniform matchup.

That's.

They just don't have, they don't have the history. Nothing against the Texas uniforms.

I think the Texans ones are gonna look cool, too.

I don't, I don't want to be a snob here, but I. Throwback uniforms.

We made a song about color rushes for Thursday nights.

Throwback uniforms are for the Jaguars. There for the Titans. There for the Texans. Great. Not even throwback. Alternate weird, funky uniforms. They're not for the Green Bay Packers. I, I'm actually doing packers fans of service because I'm speaking up for them. You should be disgusted by this. I'm going to take the packers in this game.

I don't, I don't like the fact that it's going to be so nice outside wearing these uniforms.

Yeah.

I really don't. I think it's going to be. It's going to be very strange looking. I'm excited to watch this game, though. This is going to be maybe the funnest game of the weekend.

It's a measuring stick game for both. For who? Both teams.

See how they measure up against both teams.

The Texans only losses in the NFC north. The Packers, now that Jordan Love is healthy. He also won the mvp last year or last week, which hurt me very much so. But yeah, I think this is, we're going to walk away if one team can beat the other, like soundly. Oh, shit. I watch out. I think both teams are very good.

I think they're both capable of beating each other soundly.

Soundly?

Yeah, soundly.

I think the Texas have some defensive injuries they're working through.

Well, they got. This is kind of interesting. Mario Edwards, junior, he just got suspended four games for peds, and so he's out. But they're getting back to Nico Autry, who's coming back after serving six games of his own for peds.

Is Brian Cushing still in that building?

I don't know, but it's a great, great idea if you're the Texans. They might be on to something. The Texans might have this like a calendar, giant calendar set up where they have their guys go on like a regiment of steroids in cycles. So it's like, right when one guy gets popped, the other guy gets cleaned, comes back.

Yeah.

Then he starts using, he gets popped, the other guy comes back.

Yes.

Pretty smart.

That is smart. You keep him fresh.

Keep him fresh.

Yeah. Jimmy Ward is out. Yeah, I. I like to pack. This game should be tough. I'm gonna, I'm gonna text our friend Aaron Nigla and ask him what he thinks about these packers.

I'm going over. I'm going over. This is a dozer over uniforms. You know that by looking at it?

Yeah.

Like, it might not be appealing on the eye to see those white uniforms in 70 degree weather.

What?

Max is so appealing on the eye. It's such a great uniform in the snow.

It would rock.

I think regardless, it's.

It'd be like camouflage.

I think once you turn the game on, you're gonna be like, those uniforms are sick.

Well, Rush is.

You're not a historian of the game like we are.

I think these are over uniforms, though.

Thank you.

Memes uniforms sounds like good uniforms.

No, but an over uniforms, a big difference between over uniforms and a great uniform matchup. Great uniform matchup could be the, the Steelers and the raiders. And that's not hitting the over.

That's a pretty basic match.

Yeah.

What Steelers Raiders. I mean, that's a classic uniform matchup.

It's classic.

Yeah.

All right. I think Aaron Nigler actually agrees they're boring. He said, yeah, they are.

That's, that's the opposite of what you're saying.

Well, they're, they're boring and they're also, you should never change a classic uniform. That's really what it comes down to.

But he didn't say that.

He sent me a video that he did, so I'll have to.

Okay.

Alright, fine. Play the video. I'm gonna send it to you. Let's see. Let's hear. This is from the actual packers. We'll get this settled once and for all. These are the guys that actually are. They live and breathe packer football, because this is a, I'll tell you right now, if you're, if you're listening for x's and o's, find a new show. We're getting deep in uniforms. That's what we do. It's, that's what we.

It's also hard to tell when the Texans are wearing alternate uniforms. Yeah, those black.

You could never tell others.

Black or dark blue.

Who cares? Who knows?

I think I would like this uniform matchup if those were actually black. That's what I'm saying.

I don't think I like any of their uniforms.

I'm actually coming around to the new.

Ones, the htown blues.

Yeah, I'm coming around to those h.

I think the Texans have ever worn black.

They're blue.

If you look at that uniform right there, it might be black. I don't know.

All right, here we go. This is from Aaron Niglar, cheese head tv, and his co host. Let's. Let's see what they say is where.

The Green Bay packers will be wearing.

Their winter warning uniforms.

There's a little bit of controversy around this. Like, they're not very good quality or something.

Oh, it's like the merch line just isn't cool.

That was my thing. You can talk about. They should have done this with the helmets or they should have put it in primetime, which that I totally agree.

With because it would have popped.

It would look so cool. But agree, because this whole thing is a money grab.

It's all about creating more merch.

Right. Yeah.

You need more. And they want to use equals more dollars.

More skews.

Do that here, too. We did the romeo.

Exactly. I understand it, man. I totally get it. But then make the stuff cool.

It is the plainest boring.

Yeah.

To be honest with you.

Nonsense.

That.

That's what a lot of people complain about. The women's stuff, too. They have a lot of women's stuff.

But it's not, that's not. It's a different argument.

Yeah, but we got to the same point. No, we got to the same point.

I think he makes a good point, though, that if this was at night and you have those uniforms, it looks a lot better.

I still think it'll look good during.

The day, not in the bright, hot sun.

We ended up at the same spot.

I. Okay.

We did. We both hate the uniforms for different reasons. I think it's. I think the packers should just cease to exist after doing something like this to the gods of football. Vince Lombardi would be rolling in his grave right now. All five. Two of them. Very.

Was really five two?

Yeah. People don't talk about it. He was very short.

That's crazy.

I don't know if he's actually five two, but he's very short.

I'm gonna look that up.

Very short, mandy. Okay, how's some good analysis?

It is weird to wear winter warning uniforms when it's 72 degrees outside.

Five eight.

Okay. Yeah. Basically, a regular sized human being, especially in that era.

There's no. He's five two. Half of a man. Okay.

Anti italian discrimination.

Dolphins is base. Vince Lombardi's basement bar, Washington. Like, that's one of those things that I wish still existed more in the world. The basement bar. People don't have basement bars.

He just had a bar in his basement.

Yeah.

I feel like a lot of dudes have that.

Yeah. But it's, like, all. Maybe it's the fact that it's now like a man cave with a million tvs. I'm talking, like, it was just like a. You just went there to lean up on the bar and drink. Yeah.

So the modern.

Nothing else.

The modern man cave has become like this. Come see the room in my house that my wife lets me have.

Right.

Put stuff on the wall that I see advertised in commercials that explicitly use the term man cave.

And it's also. It feels like the modern man cave is. Is for Instagram and not for comfortability.

Mm hmm.

You know? I mean, it's like, look at this. I got turf field on the. In the basement and all these jerseys. It was like, dude, what about just a really fucking old, nice couch that you can sit on and watch tv?

Yeah. My buddy bought a shed, and then he just built a bar in his shed. He just goes out and gets hammered in the shed and turns a red light on for the neighbors to come over. When the red lights on, that means, come drink beer in my shed.

It's. That's.

That's man. Shit.

Is your buddy named Mike Florio?

It's not Mike Florio.

He does do that with his barn.

He's got a barn?

Yeah, he's got a barn. Okay. Dolphins and colts. I want to take the dolphins as long as Anthony Richardson is starting.

Okay. Let me tell you a reason why not to.

Okay.

He cut his hair. He cut all his hair off.

Does that change the fact that he's bought, he's literally the last in a completion percentage from inside a clean pocket.

It might Nick Sirianni shaved his head and then he wondez barely. Barely. That's true.

And he also freaked out.

He could, he might freak out. Anthony Richardson might freak out this week. It does feel like a step back to not have Flacco starting. Maybe that's just my excitement.

Yeah. I don't know. I also think Tyler Huntley off the by the Dolphins ran the ball more last week. They were going to maybe lean into that being like, hey, we can't run the two offenses to coming back.

Yes. I believe he's planning on. He's not allowed to come back till October 23.

Do the Dolphins have any primetime games? I might be like, they might have to do the warning. When you're scrolling instagram, it's like, do you want to see this graphic nature.

Information that may be harmful to your mental psyche right now? I think they can flex to, we're in flex territory.

Yeah.

But yeah, two is not allowed to come back until the 23rd. That's to practice. That's not a game.

That's the practice. Not a game.

What memes it looks like they have two primetime games.

Oh, no.

One coming up against the Rams on November 11.

Oh, no.

So that could be to, and that's.

A prime time game.

And they also play prime time, it looks like against the packers.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I just am not a believer in Anthony Richardson. I get it. People do believe in him. But if Joe Flacco was starting this game, I'd hammer the Colts.

Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to bet the Colts regardless of who's starting. I think that's how little I believe in whoever the backup happens to be that's trying to fill to his role in this offense. I feel like they, they just don't know like tua like him or who knows if two would be a good quarterback for any other team. But he works for the Dolphins.

Yeah.

He's like perfect for them. And nobody else can come in and, and do any of the stuff that he's done. They just look completely lost.

But I think they're going to try to maybe do not the same stuff. Like they're going to try to run the ball more. Be like, hey, Tyler Huntley, you're not.

To a, you would think so, right?

You would think so.

That's what I was thinking last week with Tyler Huntley.

I was, well, they did. They ran it 41 times.

Yeah. They also looked like shit, though.

Yeah, they did. They did.

What are we going to do about these tickets? We got Colts tickets this weekend to give away dolphins. Let's see.

Why don't we give it to a Colts fan named Frank?

Okay. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I like that.

So, Frank. Any Frank. Colts fan named Frank?

Francis.

No, Frank. Gotta be in Frank. I mean, they could legally be Francis, but they go by.

They go by Frank.

They got to be going by Frank. Yeah. And.

And you have to wear glasses.

Yep. And chew on them. Yep. Yeah. Okay.

Send us. If your name's Frank and you're a Colts fan, sense a picture of you chewing on your glasses, and then you.

Their tickets are yours.

Tag. Pardon my. What should we do? Part of my take or part of my meme?

Part of my take.

Part on me.

Part of my meme.

Part of my meme, and part of my tag. Part of my.

But it has to be tagged to pardon my meme. And also, memes got Xbox codes for some new games. Yeah. Call of Duty. So hit them up.

And next year's college football game.

Yeah, hit them up. Do tweet them.

Tweet them asking for it in my meme. Hashtag memes.

Yeah. And say memes. Can I please have a. A code for PlayStation or Xbox?

Yeah, we have them all.

Yeah. And do you have them all?

I have maul.

Yeah. Yeah, you have maul. Slide into his DM's. Yeah.

Pull up.

Okay. The game of. So the Texans, packers. Probably the second best game in the early slate. Lions, Vikings. I'm most excited. Yeah.

That's gonna be so fun. So, so fun. I actually, I still believe in the Lions. Aidan Hutchinson. Not good. I understand that if you're a Lions fan, probably pretty upset, and you're like, what does this mean for a season? I still think that the Lions, they can make it happen because their offense is good enough. They'll figure it out.

I'm a believer in the Lions long term. I don't know about this game because I really do think that that that Cowboys game, they were like, they had that circled. You could tell they had it circled. It was an emotional game. Jared Goff gave, got a game ball from Dan Campbell, then he gave it back to Dan Campbell. And what's.

Because I don't think Jared got the game ball last week. Right?

Yeah.

Dan Campbell forgot, and he felt bad. He's like, I got to get Jared a game ball.

And then Jared gave it back to.

Him, which I love.

Yeah. But it was like, you could see the locker room. That was an emotional win. Losing Aiden Hutchins is an emotional letdown. Vikings off a bye. I don't know, I just also, I have another staff for you from sports info solutions. Vikings are third best in the NFL defending runs out of the twelve personnel, allowing 3.1 yards a carry. That's what the Lions like to do the most in the NFL.

Okay.

So I, it's, it's, it's just, I just like the spot for the Vikings. Also, here's a staff for you. Ready for this? Justin Jefferson has 1037 receiving yards in eight career games against the Lions. That's the most by anyone in NFL history. Against one team in eight games.

That's pretty crazy.

That's a lot of yards. Yeah. That's a lot of the receivers are.

You can't go. You can't cover everybody on the Vikings. You just can't. And so if you have good Sam Darnold, then you're going to give up some points. What do you think about the Lions? Maybe not Max Crosby. What about Hassan Reddick?

Yeah, I think they called Bob.

They did? Yeah.

Yeah.

Didn't we talk about this? But then they have to give him a second round pick.

The NFC. Yeah, good point.

They're probably not going to trade him.

I think if there's any team in the NFL that's able to get over an emotional loss to the leader of your defense, it's probably Detroit Lions. I feel like Dan Campbell is the right guy.

I don't know when I. Cause we do so many shows. Oh, I think it was on the rundown. I threw out this idea and Jerry Jones will never do it. Portrayed Michael Parsons.

Yeah, he's not going to do that.

But you have to pay him. And your, your problem right now is your, it seems like you have lack of depth going forward. What's going to happen yet? You locked up Dak. You locked up cd. You're going to, you're going to have to pay Michael Parsons. You could probably get a lot for him. I don't even know if the Lions would do it, but if I were Jerry Jones, like reload on draft picks and trade Michael Parsons, that would be.

Such an emasculating birthday to have the Lions come in, kick your ass in the point where you're like, we don't deserve to have this beautiful man on our defense. We need to trade him to the team that just kicked. He'd be happier with them just throwing it out there.

Not saying there's no sourcing nothing. I was just thinking about it like, again, this is under the assumption that Jerry Jones would operate. He doesn't have a lot of years left, so he's probably not going to operate in a long term approach because that would be a smart long term move to trade Michael Parsons and get a haul for him right now before you have to pay him and then reload that way.

But knowing just a little bit about human psyche, the fact that you just gave Dak a big contract, the fact you just paid CD Lambda, it's gonna be a tough hill to climb to admit that you're not all in right now.

Yeah.

That you're all in on. They're all in my ass.

All my ass. On my ass. I also. I want to watch if Aaron Jones plays. That's gonna be important.

So they just signed or did they.

Traded for Cam horses?

Yeah.

Whose last game was in Minnesota. Yeah, he played for the day. I think he was inactive last week. And then the Texans played in Minnesota. So that's kind of a fun wrinkle.

So Aaron Jones was at practice. I don't know if you practice, but he was at practice.

Okay.

So take for that what you will, but I feel like picking up Cam Akers makes it seem like he's going to be out for a little bit.

Yeah. And Aaron Jones is very good.

Yes.

You don't probably don't want Sam Donald throwing 45 times a game.

Yeah.

Aaron Jones returned to practice on Thursday.

He was at practice.

He was at practice. Did he practice or was he just there?

Limited Vikings running back Aaron Jones returned to practice according to Pioneer Press.

Did he have an MRI? Did fill me up. Maybe DM someone seeing him back on.

The field after not participating on Wednesday is a good sign.

Okay.

Okay.

That is a good sign.

That's a great sign.

But let the record show I am unwavering in my support from the Detroit Lions.

I'm as well.

I think they'll be okay.

I mean, I. It sucks I'm doing that right now because the Bears don't have any NFC north games until week ten. Then it's gonna have to. I'm gonna have to.

You're gonna have to wave.

I'm gonna flip the switch. Yeah, I have to flip the switch and start poking holes at everyone to try to make myself feel better. That's kind of what sports. Are. You gonna bring everyone else down to try to elevate yourself?

I got a question for you, big cat. Is this the coordinator matchup of the week?

Mmm. Flores versus Ben Johnson?

Yeah, I feel like it is.

It is.

I feel like this is coordinator matchup of the week.

Let's see, let's see. Yeah. Might be the coordinator matchup of the week.

Yeah. I think without a doubt, this might be the best coordinator matchup in the NFL all season.

Yeah. It's going to be a great coordinator match.

This is great. This is good stuff.

It's our coordinator game of the week.

The, the problem I have with what Ben Johnson did last week at the line or at the Cowboys is just I, I don't know what else he's got in his bag.

Well, that was my whole point about the emotion. Like, it was, that was an empty the clip game. Like, and what happens after you empty the clip? You go to shoot, nothing's there.

Click, click.

Yeah.

The fact that, that you ran the play with Penne Sewell catching the lateral tells me that you're probably not, that that has to be your most creative play that you have. Right.

Oh, I'm sure he's got more.

So that's. Maybe he does, but I'm a little.

Probably like Pane Sulla to Frank Rag now.

I'm a little bit worried that he emptied the clip.

Yeah.

How many shots were there? Do you feel lucky?

A lot of shots. Okay. Eagles of Giants Saquon revenge game. Saquon had a story on ESPN, I believe, where he's like, I don't think they'll boo. I had to read it, like, three times.

Yeah.

Like, I.

That is a big question.

I think they're, I think they're gonna boo.

Well, if you're a Giants fan, you probably, you lived and breathed this entire saga with Saquon, and you know that he wanted to be a giant. And then you know that the fried offer decided to franchise Saquon, give a contract to Danny Jones, and then eventually, like, yeah, the guy just went to a team that paid him more money. Yeah, a lot more money.

I just saw, I thought that was, I feel like that's wishful thinking, being like, I don't think they're gonna boo.

I think there will be some fans that boo.

I think there will be a smattering of booze.

I think it's gonna be 30% booze and then 70% people standing silently next to the people that are booing saying, hey, man, he was a great player for us.

But you gotta remember there's. So if the games in New York, they're still probably gonna be like, 30% Phil. Philly fans there make the drive up. They also could boo.

That's but they wouldn't be booing sake, or they might be right.

So you might have to up your boo.

Good sports town, 50 50 boo.

Now, Saquon wouldn't get booed, but he might. Now, there's, there's no way to say.

What you put, but, Max, it's also like, think about it. You're, if you're a Eagles fan and you're going to this game at Metlife and you hear booze, your natural reaction is going to just start joining in on the booze.

Now, Saquon wouldn't get booed. Saquon, everyone likes a quan in Philly. There's, there's levels to it. There's, like, pre boo. There's no boo. No pre boo. And then current boo.

Not now boo.

So we break that down.

There's pre boo, which pretty Nobu that's.

Sometimes more potent than booing.

Nobu is no boo. Yeah.

Like, this guy not gonna get boot.

He's in.

No, he's in no danger of getting boo.

Then there's pre no booze, for instance.

All right, so he's like, we're feeling about brilliant.

Yeah. Then there's like, there's like, it's like this guy's on the verge of possibly getting.

It's like, it's like a dog with a bark in their throat. You can see them about to bark. You're like, that's a, that's a fat Philly guy who's got a boo in his throat.

Great albums, right?

Yeah.

So when you. The first guy that booze, is there ever a guy that booze too soon?

No, it's like a collective thing.

Like, all it takes is one guy to start and then everybody else has to join in.

Would you not agree, Max, that if, if you, if someone just started booing around you, your instinct would be, let me join in on this book was his first take? No, you, I. We got it. We gotta test this. We're gonna forget. Let's just, I'm gonna set a secret reminder and we're gonna try to test this out later on. At some point, just start booing around Max and watch him just instinctively be like, where are we booing? Let's boo.

No, no, I don't think that.

I don't think that the majority of giants fans are going to boo sake one, but I do think that if he fumbles, everyone's going to cheer extra loud for that fumble, which counts as a boo kind of a boo.

It's a sarcastic cheer.

No, we saquon Nobu.

Just no boo.

What's a dream? Drake line. Nobu something. Malibu. Nobu.

How do you feel about this game?

We lose in New York every time now, and I, New York just keeps dunking on me that I just keep thinking I'm going to get dunked on by New York, and this would be, this would really be, really be a doozy of a loss.

And no Boston Scott anymore.

No Boston Scott.

I got sign him.

He's playing in Rocket League right now.

The Giants profession.

He's like a professional gamer.

Yeah.

Like, the Giants stink. But they're not, they're, they're a little bit frisky.

Their defense is good.

Yeah.

There's parts of them that are frisky.

Like, neighbors coming back.

They still have, like, the label of stink. So, like, losing to them still will feel, like, embarrassing, like, losing to a horrible football team.

Even though it should.

Even though. But it should. But you agree with.

I know what you're saying.

Yeah.

There's a stink around the giant.

Correct.

That losing to the giants feels like a, I'm sure.

Same like with the commanders. If you were to lose to us, that stink is.

We're not talking about right now.

Okay.

And, and on top of that, there's, like, a stink. And then also, if you lose the saquon revenge, no boo game.

Right.

That would hurt as well. And the way the Giants can win this game would hurt extra, extra hard because all they do is, like, little passes, and they're just little pass.

It would be so boring.

And they would just let, yeah, they little pass.

It would be so boring. And because it would also, I also think the only way we lose is if, if, I don't know. There's plenty of ways we could lose, but, like, I'm thinking of, like, a, like a bad turnover or something dumb like that. That, like, would really get the Nick.

Sirianni strips but close at halftime and then comes out naked and you get a penalty.

I'll say this right now. If the, if the Eagles lose to the Giants on Sunday, Nick Sirianni will not be coaching the following week.

Oh, I feel like, is he coaching now?

He's coaching for his job.

Will he just, it's a job to coach.

Yeah, job to coach.

Will he just be taking a week off? Orlando? He's gonna be fired.

He'll be done.

Just, he just goes Mia.

Like, he's just gonna leave.

No, I think he will be. I think he will be fired.

This is a prediction.

This is a prediction.

Do they let him back on the bus to go back to Philly.

Respect. Philly's a city of respect.

Yeah, of course.

Let him go, get back on the bus.

But would there be a group of fans waiting to boo him at the facility?

Yeah, and then I'll probably start yelling at him. Like, the yelling at the fans last year, last week. Really? Like, it felt like if they lost, he wouldn't have yelled at the fans if they lost that game, but it like really bumped up his hot, I saw a report.

I don't know if it was from the actual fan. It was, got claiming to be the fan thread. So, yeah, so the guy I saw, it was like a post on Instagram or something, but he said that he was telling Nick Sirianni like, what, run the ball more? Like run the ball to Saquon. And then Nick Sirianni did run the ball more then after the game he was like, see, I told you I was gonna run the ball more. So it might not have been like booing then Nick Sirianni responding to the boo. It might have been good coaching. You should hire that guy to be your coach regardless.

You shouldn't be like yelling at the fan about any, like, no, because a fan told you to run the ball, you're going, you, you like, kept that in your head and you had to go back to the stand.

That's what fans do. That's fail that.

Like, that's all what head coaches do.

And, but that's fan 101. It's like he, he's definitely heard probably a million fans before saying, run the damn ball.

But Sirianni shouldn't do that. I have a question for you, Max. When you, if you lose this game and then you fire Sirianni, what is it going to look like? Is it going to look like Tommy and Goodfellas when they shoot him in the back of the head or is it going to look like Goodfellas when they do the wire? He sits in the front seat like big Dom. How's big Dom going to whack him?

Big Dom would only treat anyone, any man with the most respect.

So face to face.

Yep.

Two in the face.

Let him take his shoes off first.

Yeah. Yeah. Big don is a man of respect for sure.

What do you, would nick Sirianni wind up frozen in a meat truck?

I don't know.

Okay. Would Sirianni be, yeah. Would he be like beat up in a bar and then, and then buried up state?

What would you think of if, what would you think about the Eagles season going forward if we lost Sirianni? And somehow got rape God for able in the door.

I think I'd be crazy.

That would rock. I think that'd be awesome for you. Yeah. Mike frable should be a no.

I feel like Mike Brable is like.

It is. It's ridiculous that Mike variable is not a head coach in the NFL.

I would. The Browns let him out of his contract.

Does he have. Isn't he just like an advisor?

No, I think he's.

No, he's an advisor. A consultant.

But he was.

That's not there.

I don't think he has like an iron clad contract.

I'm sure. I'm sure they would let him out if he even had a con. He probably doesn't even have like a non compete clause in there.

Especially. It's not like they're playing for anything right now.

Well, they got Nick Chubb back. Yeah, you forgot about that part. But they're punting Andrew Thomas. Being out for the Giants should make you feel a little bit more excited about this game.

Yeah, I guess. But it's. I guess our D line looks better last week.

Yeah.

And neighbors come, they might not little pass you to death. They might find neighbors a few times, too.

They'll still little passing to death.

His name, I think neighbors is back.

Well, he's back, but he has new interest.

Injury from what?

He got a concussion, obviously that he's back from that. But then I think he has a groin. So do I. Yeah, we all do.

Not pulled groin. Yeah, sounds. It sounds like a Friday night. He's a full goin is a hundred percent.

Yeah, his groins. His groin is groining.

Oh, no. So did I do like the Malik neighbors? The. It's been going around like he doesn't wear any team issue things when he's been out on the sideline and people are very upset about. It's kind of funny.

What do they want him to wear?

It does look a little weird.

He's just, he's rocking echo unlimited on the sideline.

He looks like he's going to a concert and he's just on the side.

Well, wasn't wearing chrome hard.

Pull up. Pull up a picture of him on the sideline.

He did go to.

There it is. Look at that. That's not, that is a like where I like being on the side.

Okay, but counter for them. Doubt, counterpoint. The Giants need somebody like this because they do. Max's whole stink around the Giants has to do with them just being a boring team offensively.

Yeah, the Malik neighbors is not boring.

Yeah, this is the guy that you need. This is a culture change.

He counteracts Daniel Jones being a Deloitte accountant.

I would also like to say, for the record, in addition to Mike frable, definitely should be a head coach right now in the NFL somewhere. The Giants, if their season doesn't go well, they kind of have to make a decision about what to do for their entire future.

Yeah.

Like, with the whole day ball, Daniel Jones thing, you got to keep dayball. I think that table is a good head coach. I don't think that they should fire him after the season. I think because you have to make the choice. Right.

Do.

Do clean house, maybe get a new quarterback and a new head coach at the same time, or do you keep the same guy around and give him at least a couple of years to work with your new quarterback? I actually like Brian Dable enough to say that he should be their head coach.

I think you just do a simple estimation of if you fire Brian Dable, will he be hired tomorrow? I think he probably would.

As a head coach or as a coordinator.

A head coach or a coordinator. But it would be pretty quick.

Yeah.

So you don't want to fire a guy like that. Yeah.

And the mirrors, they don't like to fire guys except, like the last, what, ten years.

They fired Mcadoo.

Yeah, they fired, they fired a lot of guys, but historically, they don't like the fire guys.

Yeah. And Brian, table, like, the one season that the Giants go to the playoffs. Dan Jones. That should. That should be like front and center. I can coach.

Yeah.

Cuz I did that.

Yeah. We beat the Vikings.

Okay, next up, Raiders at Rams. I hate this game.

It's a bad game. Jimmy G. Revenge game.

Is Jimmy G playing?

No.

Oh. Aidan O'Connell. That guy stinks. I think the Rams off the by.

Yeah, definitely the Rams off the by. They're healthy, right?

Cooper Cup, I think is. Is trying to come back.

And then the other big story that we talk about with Kyle Rudolph a little bit is Tom Brady has been. He's been awarded custody of 10% of the Raiders, I believe.

5%.

Oh, I thought he got ten. And then I thought he bought Mark Davis.

Sold 10%. I think it's 10.5%.

Okay.

5% to Brady, 5% to Brady's business partner, and then 0.5% to Richard Seymour.

Got it. So Tom Brady is now, according to the NFL, not permitted to be in another team's facility, he's not permitted to witness practices. He's not permitted to attend broadcast production meetings either in person. Or virtually. He's prohibited from publicly criticizing game officials and other clubs. He's subject to the NFL's gambling policy and anti tampering policy, too, so he can't criticize the refs.

Oh, you forgot one thing. He also can't play.

He can't play.

You can't. Owners cannot play, which is a bullshit rule.

That is stupid. But Mark Davis going out there and holding the ball and kickoff would rock.

Jerry Jones would, would definitely try to play.

Yeah.

Yeah. So Tom Brady is now, he's now a partial owner of an NFL team. I mean, he's going to eventually own the Raiders, right?

I don't know how this works. Is there, like some sort of succession power play he can pull behind, behind Mark Davis's back?

Well, isn't the whole story that Mark Davis's mom actually owns the Raiders in that eventually he won't have enough? Like when she passes speaker zero, she dies.

The. The inheritance tax is going to be more than he has in cash.

Yeah.

So his, his wealth comes from owning the team, and then I guess you take out lines of credit against the asset that you own.

Sure, yeah.

Whatever. Whatever the case may be. So, yeah, maybe it is. He set himself up for the future also. You think there's any, any truth to the Belichick rumors?

Kirk. Kirk threw those out there. They got picked up everywhere. It would be an all time story.

I don't.

It would be an all time story.

I just don't think there's a whole lot of truth.

Yeah. I couldn't tell if Kirk was. Was screwing with everyone or not.

I think that's what Kirk.

Yeah, right. Which is hilarious because it literally got picked up everywhere. So it was a master.

He's also in sports, Boston sports radio. He knows how these things go. Like, he knows how to say things semantically where he can just say, that's what I heard, without, you know, reporting it as, as fact.

Yeah, I think I feel like you.

Can say I heard anything.

I. Belichick might not go back to the, to the NFL. He might not go back to coaching at all because I feel he's.

Definitely think so. Yeah, because get the. The record. I feel like he's trying to go for the record.

I feel like he's having a lot of fun.

Oh, definitely not. He's got to go for the record.

He's like a guy that worked in a factory his entire life and came from, like, a hard Scrabble town in the Midwest, rust Belt. He works, finally retires. Always thought about retiring in that same town he grew up in, then goes to Florida one week, and he's like, this is really nice down here. I might just stay.

By the way, the other owner is Tom Wagner, co founder of Knighthead Capital Management.

Nighthead. That sounds like the most evil company.

That guy sounds like. He will just.

Great company.

He'll cut your fucking, you know, necktie and then shit down your throat, though.

The Wagner group, is that what it's called?

The. Tom Wagner, the co founder of Knighthead Capital Management.

Nighthead. That's either. That's either the most evil name or the horniest name I've ever heard.

Yeah. So that's. That's the other. That's the 5% to each of them and then a half percent to Richard Seymour.

See, if Tom Brady, like, says that's a bad call during a game, is that criticizing the officials?

He's in a bad spot. Yeah, I feel bad.

I don't know why he's doing. Yeah, well, I know why he's buying the Raiders. I don't know why he's still doing the broadcasting.

I'm paying him $40 million, I guess.

You got to pay. What? Yeah, I don't.

I don't know why he got into. Brought. Yeah. The $40 million a year, that whole thing. But I don't really understand why Tom wanted. He's Tom Brady, isn't it? Again, it goes back to the thought of, like, Tom Brady should be too good to be talking to me on my couch about games that are. That's. That's beneath Tom Brady.

Where do you say, Max, I also.

Looked up the Kirkland stuff. If it was real, he followed that up today with saying that Kamala will be the next head coach of the Miami.

Are you saying that's not real? No, that could happen.

Yeah, if we.

Yeah, that could definitely happen.

He was like, I only have one source, but I'll say it anyway.

I mean, I'm doing her pre game speech just being like, so I was born in a middle class family. All right, boys, let's go out there.

Let's be clear about one thing, okay? I have. I have a plan. Go to my website and see my game plan. Yeah. I mean, it actually did kind of happen with Adam Schefter reporting Condoleezza Rice.

Yeah, true. True. Okay, next game, Panthers and commanders, Pft. You're in trouble.

I agree.

Oh, why do you think I was gonna say you're in trouble?

I'm saying I'm in trouble because I ran my mouth hot and loose last weekend. Just said and I counted this as bye week, and I regret doing that.

I was going to say you're in trouble for a different reason because Dave Canal said that Bryce Young did a great job in the role of rookie QB Jaden Daniels on the scout team today and making the Washington offense concepts come to life.

Oh, my God.

That's so sad to be like, yeah, Bryce Young. Good job, dude. Scott pretended to be Jaden.

That is very, very sad. Like, not only. Not only are you getting buried because people talk about you in comparison to the number one overdose pick or, excuse me, the number two overall pick in your draft, now you're running scout team for the number two overall pick in the next draft.

Like, just don't say it. No, he was one overall.

No, I know that.

Yeah.

I'm saying it's buried because of CJ Stroud. Now he's doing scout team for the next number two pick.

Just don't say it. Don't say that. Dave Canales, just be like, we had a good week of practice.

Do you remember RG three at one point when he got demoted to scout team, but he wasn't playing quarterback. Scout team. He got demoted to being the scout team safety. Yeah, that was pretty sad.

Yeah, that was sad. I think you. I think you're gonna have a really fun time playing the Panthers.

I'm just worried because I shouldn't have said that about the Panthers. I feel bad for Panthers fans. I want to. I don't want to bully Panthers fans.

Okay, now speak honestly like you've been. You've been speaking honestly.

I've been trying.

Yeah. So now speak honestly.

From what I've seen from the commanders, this is a game that we should win by 20 points.

Oh, wow.

We should like that. I hope that we. I hope we win. Our defense isn't good. Well, we actually stink on defense. We're one of the worst defenses.

How many touchdown passes for Jayden Daniels?

I think. I don't know about total touchdowns passing and running. I'm going to say three.

Okay.

And then he's going to have two handoff touchdowns.

Okay. Those count, too.

Yep, they do.

Okay. Yeah. This is gonna be a fun game for you.

I hope so. This is a game. This is take care, take care of business game.

Yeah. Just take the bad team. Still counts. Yeah, it still counts.

I'm also just still amazed that we have a home field advantage. It's been. It's been a decade since we've had a true home field advantage. So it's. It's very cool seeing commanders fans. Also, fuck you. To that Ravens fan that beat up the two commanders fans after the game. Yeah, he got arrested.

Yes. Well, no, there's a warrant out.

There's a warrant out?

Yeah.

They'll find them. No, teal, track him down.

Yes, absolutely. Okay. Another great game. This is a great Sunday. Slate. Chiefs at 49 ers. Andy read off by 21 and four. Patrick Mahomes, straight up as an underdog, is ten and three. The Chiefs are one and a half point underdogs. They are off a by also, Kyle Shanahan forced the team to watch the Super bowl this weekend and said, I think everyone understands that we've lost two Super Bowls to them. So, I mean, that can give you a little post traumatic stress when you turn on the tape. I don't know. I don't know if I like that. I think I'm gonna. I'm gonna take the 49 ers, but I don't like that.

I don't. I don't like the move of playing the game for the guys.

Yeah.

Like, that puts bad thoughts in your head.

Really?

In what world does that improve morale?

Zero.

I guess you could just hope that it's gonna piss him off.

Yeah. And it was. They were so close to be like, hey, look how close we were.

Yeah. So in terms of Super bowl matchups, like rematches, the Chiefs lost to the Eagles last year, but before that, the last time the Super bowl loser won the following regular season matchup was 1993.

Oh, wow.

So it goes back a long ways.

That was the Chiefs Eagles. Last year was the. That was the beginning of the end for Nick Sirianna going. Remember going up the tunnel?

Yeah.

Screaming at everyone.

Yep.

But he won that game.

No, I know, but that was the beginning of the end.

That was his Super bowl.

That was his super.

That was the end of the beginning.

Oh.

Oh, interesting.

Okay, so now we're in the middle. Are we at the end?

Now we're at the end. Actually, you know what?

No, that was the beginning of the end. If you point to one point where you're like, Nick Sierra ne. He's kind of. He's really like, this is kind of turning.

But that was. That was like.

But it was. But remember how obnoxious it was? And everyone's like, what's his problem?

But Eagles fans were like, whatever. That's our guy at that point.

Yeah, but, Max, I feel like the Super bowl was the end of the beginning.

Wrong. That was a ten and one.

Okay. That was the beginning of the end without you realizing it was the beginning.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

You just didn't go out for intermittent.

You didn't know that there was a beginning of the end. But if you look back, you're like, that was the beginning of the end. He beat the, he beat the Chiefs and was like, I'm done. Job done.

Yeah.

Stop, coach.

Yeah. I was so happy. There's.

What did he say in this?

What are you confused by?

What's that?

I think the walls are hacked.

Why?

Someone tweeted me two minutes ago and said, do you happen to know when the pats are flying to London this week?

Yeah.

So someone listens.

We are talking.

That's a pretty standard question.

Yeah.

To ask me.

Well, you should have known the answer.

To that if my team was playing in London. That's a. I would have.

That. I knew the Bears were flying on Monday night.

Memes also already tweeted it. I'm kidding.

What? What's the answer?

I can't find a definitive answer. They practice in Gillette today? They're in Gillette. I'm assuming tomorrow.

Oh, so they're fine tonight.

Okay.

They're fine tonight. If they, if they practice in Gillette.

Today, that'd be funny. If they flew over early in the week, just, like, went on the sightseeing tour, then flew back, practiced, and then flew back again. Yeah.

Just got a little lay of the land. Yeah.

We have our answer. They're flying Thursday night.

Yeah. They're flying tonight. Okay. Where were we beginning? The end.

Chiefs niners.

I wanted, I want to read a tweet for you. See if you can decipher it for me. Ready? Mm hmm. This is from Charles of Menahoo. Plays for the Chiefs. He's coming back shortly. I think he tore his ACL. So he's gonna be back shortly, and he is kind of pumping himself up. He said, I'm coming back to get what I deserve, the biggest shit. Anything else ain't for me. Done. Speak until I'm back. Been too humble, folks. Forgot what. What the fuck I did with less games than your favorite player. Okay, let me read that first sentence again. I'm coming back to get what I deserve, the biggest shit. Anything else ain't for me.

It sounds like Napoleon.

It's a riddle. Yeah.

No, it sounds like exactly what Napoleon said after he got. He got exiled.

Yeah.

So what is the biggest shit?

I don't know. Ain't for me.

For me and your favorite player. What was that?

It been too humble, folks. Forgot what the fuck I did. With less games than your favorite player.

How does he know who my favorite player is?

Yeah. What if your favorite player is TJ Watt?

Yeah, Jerry.

Sure. Reply be like, I don't think so.

Favorite player is Andy Dalton.

Then he probably did.

They probably did that.

Yeah. Yeah. I like the Niners here. I don't know. Do we have an update on Christian McCaffrey? Speaking of the walls.

No.

Got it.

And Jordan Masons.

He playing heck, Hank, you should be practiced next week.

I think he's playing next week.

You should just.

Am I like the injury guy?

Yeah. No, I'm saying, I'm saying next week you should print out every injury report. The injury. Yeah.

You're pro football.

That would be actually very funny if we just had, you had them all just printed in your hand.

Hank Dockwood, Jordan Mason was in a.

Blue no contact jersey today.

We see a blue no contact jersey. Are there levels to the no contact jerseys?

I think the red is for the quarterbacks only.

Or maybe the blue is just. It's the injury tent. He was in the injury ten.

They just call it wearing the injury.

Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Last game on Sunday, jets at Steelers.

How's there no flexes this weekend?

Jet Steelers is a, that's a pretty interesting Rossi dude. You got rusty. He got everything going on.

New York Vikings, packers or Super bowl rematch.

The the stations, Fox and CB's gets to keep a certain amount because they don't want to give him up. The jets and Giants since 2019 are four and 31 playing at night in prime time.

That's.

What was that, memes, your mic still on? Max?

That was Max.

No, that was you. What was that?

No, it was Max.

Four and 31.

Yeah. It's disgusting.

That's insane.

I got a couple reasons why I love the Steelers this weekend. That's that stat that you just mentioned.

Okay.

The fact that they're squeezing out Fireman Ed.

Yeah.

Who's now taken to the media and there's stories about him in the New York Post.

Yeah.

Memes, what do you think about that? Fireman head is accusing the New York Jetse of not putting him on the video screen as much this season.

I believe him.

I saw that for two and four. Let's just win some football. No, it's a squeeze not going your instagram and there's too many distractions going on with the jets. We don't need fireman Ed just going on.

It's a video. It's a chicken. Or the ad situation, which are they losing these games because Fireman Ed's not on the jumbotron.

Didn't fireman had officially jets bullshit that this guy, I agree, comes around actually, like, he's the jets nothing. Number one guy. And that it's, and that they. The team. He quit on the team.

The team.

They quit on him. He quit on the team.

He quit after the, but, yeah, and then he came back and then he's.

Like, I didn't demand respect.

Like, two years later and he's like, now they're not putting on the jumbotron enough. I love that. I love superfans getting, like, into litigation with the team that they're a super fan of. So that's, that's data point number one. Why I like the Steelers. That data point number two that I have is that the Steelers are wearing their throwback uniforms. Oh, now, bumblebee. No, now, if we, if we thought that that memes is jets throwback uniform thing was ridiculous. The Steelers throwbacks, look at them and you tell me what's different. Can you pull them up?

Pull them up now.

But here's a stat. Here's a stat about these uniforms. They've wore them four times since they reintroduced them, and they're four and. Oh. So what's different about these, these throwbacks? No idea, Hank, do you have any idea?

Maybe the shoulder.

Shoulder is the black, blacker?

No, it's block lettering. So the new Steelers uniforms are in italics. Like, the numbers are, like, at a slant, and these are just the block letters on them.

What the hell?

So. But they are four and, oh, when they wear these. But they're the most unthrowback throwbacks of all time.

Yeah, I'm this, I'm looking at this tweet from the official Steeler shop account. It says, you asked, we delivered. Who the hell asked?

Everyone.

Same thing.

So they are four and, oh, they played 2018 against the Browns, 2019 against the Rams, Christmas Eve against the Raiders in 2022, and then against the packers in 2023 wearing the throwback numbers.

So I like, so funny.

So I can't go against. Yeah, because you see the, the new ones.

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

They're like, sleeker.

I like the jets because I have a theory that doesn't really make sense when you talk it all the way out of. But I'm going to say it anyway. I was on with our guys, Pittsburgh radio today, and I think Mike Tomlin. So the courting process for Russell Wilson, they obviously, they went out to get him. They still had Kenny Pickett. They, you know, there was a stories about everyone, like, calling him being like, please come help Kenny Pickett. This would be great. Kenny Pickett's like, fucked out. I'm out. And they're like, all right, Rush, you're the starter. Right? Like, that was. That was what Mike Tomlin told them. Then Justin Fields gets traded to the Steelers, and Mike Tomlin, a man of his word, is like, I know I have a better chance with Justin Fields, but I promise Russell Wilson, he's a starter. Russell Wilson was. Was healthy last week. Why wouldn't you start Russell Wilson against the Raiders? To get his feet wet against a very bad team. Instead, he's going to throw him out against the jets to basically have him suck. And then he's going to be like, see, you guys told me that I need to start Russell Wilson.

I told Russell Wilson it wasn't his job to lose. He sucks.

Justin Fields, that's not a bad theory.

But then again, the theory all goes along the lines of Mike Tomlin's deliberately throwing a football game, which doesn't really make sense, but let's just forget that part. Yeah.

I like the Steelers defense at night. Their own stadium. This is a double renegade. Yeah, for sure.

Also shout out, Devontae Adams. His hamstring got better.

That's crazy. Magically, it's wild. He's good. Now, how did he even hurt his hamstring to begin with? His practice injury.

Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe a getting to practice injury.

He pulled up lame. According to Adam Schefter, he pulled on a Friday. On a Friday before the game on.

That's like. Yeah, that's like when Hank is just like, I. Do you need me for the yak on Friday? Yeah, I'm not gonna be around. Do you know? Okay, you're good to go.

It sounds like. It sounds like you're just roasting your nerdiest friend for, like, coming out to the bar for the weekend. Like, yeah, this guy pulled up lame on Friday.

So lame.

Such a mean thing to say about somebody.

So lame. Yeah. I don't know. I just. The jets are completely out of excuses. It's over. This is it. You got to win right now. With what you got seasons on the.

Line is for the season.

Yes. You got your coach fired. You got. You got Devontae Adams. Aaron Rodgers has gotten everything he wants. The next blame is Aaron Rodgers.

Well, memes, is there anything else that you can do if you lose this game? Is there another panic move that you can do to save the season? Season.

Assad Reddick.

Assam Reddick.

Sign him. Bring him in.

Yeah.

Wait, me the deal done.

I want it your face there. I said the next move is to blame Aaron Rogers and you're not going to do that.

I like Aaron Rodgers.

Yeah, but he's literally gotten everything he wants.

That's fun to watch.

I want to see how deep this well goes. Like how many, how many different things, how many different band aids can you put on after heartbreaking losses before you get to Aaron?

Yeah, well, I think the next panic move is just sit Tyron Smith and then put Shawnu in because the offensive line has looked great. Apparently Tyron Smith has let up the same amount of sacks in his entire career in this first six games. So that's not great.

Okay, I have all. I also asked memes if the season's season is over if they lose this weekend. And he said, well, we got a pretty easy schedule, even if they go two and five.

Yeah, cuz if we lose this week, then Aaron Rodgers will do that thing where he's just like, we could run the table and then it's too early.

For the run the table.

Yeah, but he'll do. He'll do that thing later in the season. Then we'll win. Win a bunch of games and miss playhouse by one game.

This is all getting a little pathetic.

All right, so next. So next panic move is you sign us on Reddit, get him in the building, get the deal done right, and then move after that is bench Tyron Smith.

Yes, but we're gonna win this weekend, so we're fine.

And what's, what's after that sign Izzy.

Again, is he hasn't played all season. Yeah, been inactive.

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We have to hit one, guys. This is sad. Justin Jefferson.

Brian Robinson.

Saquon.

Okay, I love.

That was good.

Bang, bang, bang.

Really hoping someone was going to say Saquon. He got bang back at Metlife this week.

I love that.

And you know Sirianni wants him to score.

Yeah.

Against the Giants.

Yeah. Yeah, sure. All right, our picks. Who's up first and what are the records?

Max is up first. Me and big cat are seven and five. Pft. Six and six. Hank. Five and seven, Max. Four, seven and one.

Oh, Max.

Half a game back.

Long season.

Half it.

When does it not become a long season?

I'm half a game back.

I know.

It could be the last week of the year and I wouldn't be back.

That's true. Although that did happen to you.

Yeah. Fucking smells. Davis Mills, the best.

I love Davis Mills. All right, Max, I'm gonna go the.

Jets just minus two against the Steelers.

I like it. I like it.

I'm going to go with the New England Patriots, five and a half.

Okay. I'm gonna take the Chargers minus two. A Super bowl winner.

I am going to take the Washington Commanders minus eight.

Wow. So, Hank, are you going to reverse what you did last week? Because we said it at the beginning of the week that that was the beginning of the show, that that was the best week for, like, gamblers, worst week for Vegas. All the favorites covered. You did a round robin of all the underdogs.

Yep. 165. Bets over 165. I think I'm gonna do it again.

Do it on the draftking sports book. All right.

Memes niners minus one and a half.

Okay.

And I'm gonna take the bills Titans over 41.

Mmm.

Okay, I'm going to take the Bengals browns over 41 and a half.

Hmm. Okay. Someone took the Jags Patriots over 42.

No, I will take it.

Jags Patriots over 42.

I like that.

I'm going to take the commanders and the Panthers over 51 and a half. Love taking overs in Commanders games.

Yes. Max.

I am going to take the Packers Texans over 47 and a half. Then you would take that.

Those uniforms?

Yeah, that's it. We thought we said that was over.

You feel good about that?

I keep saying I like the uniform. Okay, you want me to say it again, I like the uniform.

Yeah.

I don't. I haven't hit a total once this year. I think my total.

I.

This game ends ten to three. Will you admit that I was right about the uniforms?

Yes.

Okay.

If it. If. Exactly. Ten to three.

Okay. Perfect. That's all I wanted. That's all I get? An apology? That's perfect.

But if it's. If it's six three, I will not.

Okay. Deal to three. Great. Deal. Great doing business. Yeah. You. Great doing business with you. I get ten to three both ways, though. It could be packers or Texans. Send a three.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right. Ten to three is all I need. Okay, let's do go. So we're gonna have our parlay up for in the DraftKings sportsbook. We have Justin Jefferson Saquon and Brian Robinson. So we're gonna hit it this week. I feel good about this week. Before we get to our interviews, we got great interviews. Kyle Rudolph and Francis Naganu. We're gonna do some fantasy fuck, boys. Brought to you by body armor. This segment is brought to you by body armor. Sports water. The alkaline water that provides real hydration with electrolytes for taste. Everybody's always drinking around the office. I have it right here. Sports drink, the zero sugar and even the flash iv. After a long weekend, we can't get enough body armor. The sports water, in my opinion, is the best water on the market. Head on over to your local 711. Get your body armor. Sports water today.

What's up, boys?

What's up, fucker?

What up, dickhead?

What's up, fuckface?

What's up, fuck out? My name's Paul.

What's up, Pauly?

Pauly. Pauly.

D. In the pick of Destiny.

Oh, how we dice.

My stardom this week is Tom Brady.

Yeah.

Go. The greatest of all time. He's now an owner. Oakland Raiders. Second hottest owner on that fucking franchise.

Second?

Yeah.

Stoner.

Second hottest.

Who's the hottest machina?

Dave.

My sitam Kawhi. Leonard.

Yeah.

Why Leonard? Yeah. What do you do?

Playoff p. Much like Joel Embiid. He doesn't like to play a lot. And what do you know? He got hurt. He's in. He's out for an indefinite period of time.

Oh, no. Indefinitely?

Season hasn't even started.

These, you know, the playoffs aren't a while from now. That's usually.

Probably trying to wait till the playoffs start to come back.

Okay.

You sound like you might be a little bit from northeast.

Yeah.

Lobsterman Paul.

Kid Gloucester Pauly. My sleeper. Cooper cup.

Yeah.

Cooper.

Trooper Cooper. Trooper Cooper.

Good kid from the old neighborhood.

He's back. He's wearing the guardian cat. I think he's gonna go off this week.

Little light in the loafers. Not me.

Good for Cooper.

Cooper.

Cooper. Hey, what's up, assholes? My name is Italia. Natalia.

Natalia.

Yeah. You can just call me it Nat. It Nat. They call me this week. I'm starting taking long poops during chess matches. Oh, you guys see that? That chess match that they had where the guy got busted for cheating because he kept pooping, we got more drama. He pooped like nine times. Probably taking all the ceramic bin wall balls out of his derriere. Queen Gambit, queens get. Great show.

She was just doing pills the whole time. I forgot about that.

She was fucked up. Eyeballs on the side of the head. Looked like a guy I shot one time. My sitam is Jerry. Is Jerry Rhinestone. Jerry Reinstorf sitting him. You a fan of the Chicago White Sox? Congratulations.

That was mine too.

The end might be near for you, my friend. Because it looks like Jerry is gonna sign off the team. Looks like he's getting rid of the team.

Sell the Bulls too, bitch.

He said he's gonna focus on the Bulls. Am I right?

Yeah. No, his son's gonna focus on the balls.

He's gonna focus on the Bulls. In my sleep.

What do you say we get our four hundred one k and try and, you know, make a. Make a run at.

It'll make a run at the white.

So real shame if the White Sox fell off the back of a truck and we owned them all of a sudden.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Would be. And then my. My sleep going into this weekend is. I'm gonna say my sleep is Ashton Gentee. Have you guys heard about this kid? I think he's. I think he's a really good player. I hope the best for him. Be a real shame. A real shame if he decided to save his knees for the NFL.

I'm a Travis hunter guy.

Travis Hunter. Got my Travis a guy up and down. I'm just saying, be a real shame if something happened. Ashton Genteel was like, I don't want to run anymore. I'd rather save my knees for the NFL.

What's up, fuckers? My name is Nikki Chicken Pommy.

Hey.

Nicky Chicky Bracerio.

Nick. Nicky chicken Pomerano.

Pomerana. Yeah. Yeah. Like NCPB. Nick.

Nick.

Yeah. Nick CB Dick. PB. NCB. NCPB. NCPB. That's how we spell in here. My stardom is Travis Hunter. He's actually the heisman. Don't do that.

That's a good point.

Don't fucking do that. My sin, it was Jerry rides or fuck that guy. I hope he. I hope he sells the bulls, too. Maybe he'll sell the white Sox. By who? I got a lot of money. Maybe I should sell the bulls.

Maybe gets addicted to selling.

That guy fucking stinks. I hate him. My sleeper is Devontae Adams because he's gonna solve all the jets problems. I agree.

Well, and if he doesn't, then they get a sign. Reddit.

Yeah.

Then that's gonna solve all the problems.

And then they gotta sign another guy and then another guy, and then another guy, and then another guy, and then fire another coach.

And then they gotta get their own stadium.

And then maybe one of them will be like, maybe Aaron Rodgers is a.

Problem, but now not Aaron Rogers. Good kid.

All right, let's. Let's get to our interviews. We got Kyle Rudolph and then a hologram interview with Francis Nagano. Whoa. Yeah.

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Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest friend of the program. Been forever.

Been a while.

Been a long time. It's Kyle Rudolph, retired multi Pro bowl winner or multi Pro Bowl Haver.

That's a good question. Did you win the Pro Bowls?

One in 120 13 2012 season? We will. NFC won that one pretty big. I was fortunate to be the MVP. I got a car out of that.

Oh, nice.

I should have said that.

Pro Bowl MVP. You had GMC Denali, like a Yukon Denali. My dad is still driving the truck.

Seriously.

But closing in on like 300,000 miles on it.

You gotta pay the taxes on it.

Yeah. So you. I think it was like three or four grand for the taxes.

Oh, that's not bad.

No, not bad at all.

We had an idea for the Pro bowl where, you know, to get the players to have some skin in the game. The winning team all gets a year early to free agency if they want.

Yeah, we think about that.

Guys would go hard.

Especially think about the guys that are in that game.

Yeah, yeah.

Or no franchise tag. Like they can't. They get to, they get basically a uno card reverse on a franchise.

If you win the Pro bowl.

Yeah.

I feel like that's Roger Goodell. Give us a call. We got tons of ideas. Most of them are bad, but I think this is good one.

Yeah. But. So we. We haven't had you on since. I think it was the Teddy Bridgewater injury.

Yeah.

Many years ago, which is crazy because, like, you're. You're now retired from the NFL, obviously. Is Teddy Bridgewater still in the NFL?

No, he's retired. He's the head coach back at his high school in Miami. Northwestern.

That's. Love that. I love that. Teddy seems like one of those guys that everyone loved, rooted for.

Yeah. I mean, I remember being with you guys, like, in that room. It was kind of like.

Yeah, it was weird.

It was very, like, what the fuck?

It was bad. Yeah.

We felt bad being there.

Yeah.

Like, well, Teddy obviously can't do it. No one was looking us in the eye. They're like, well, you can talk to Kyle and Harrison, and then Blair Walsh will talk to you.

Yeah. The player. Walsh one was. That was the add on, because I know we were going to interview you, and. And we didn't get Zimmer, but Blair Walsh. And that just became. That was right after the. The year that you guys lost the Seahawks in that cold game.

Yeah.

Yeah, that was bad.

It was literally the training camp after the kick.

Yeah. Yeah, that game was cold.

Yeah. I remember driving to the stadium, like, I think we played at noon because.

It was bright, too. It was so bright.

It was cold. You check, you know, the temperature on your phone, and it wasn't wind chill. -26 it's. It was actual temp was -26 driving.

To the stadium, and you guys were outside because the stadium hadn't been completed yet. And then I remember before that game, Bud Grant walked out, shirt. Well, not shirtless, but sleeveless, wearing a polo shirt. He was in his nineties at the time. Right?

Crazy.

It was just. He was like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna set the tone for this game by going out for the. For the coin flip, wearing a polo shirt.

So he had an office, like, at our facility, you know, winter park, the old school facility, and then at TCO, the beautiful, big building that they have now. And he always had an office there. And he'd walk around, and he was still very present, like, literally to the day he died. And it was like, there's just always this, like, gritty toughness about him. Like, so when he walked out for the coin toss with just a polo shirt on, you're like, yeah, that dude's.

Crazy about the cold anymore.

Yeah. Did you get anyone? Go back to the locker room, and they're like, I got to take my sleeves off.

I put, like, my park on and went and sat on the bench and warmed up.

Wait, so I. So you retired officially as a viking. You signed a one day contract?

Yeah.

I mean, explain that to us, because we always are.

Like, it's not a real contract. I mean, I didn't sign it.

Oh, no, don't say that. It's got to be a re. You didn't sign anything?

No, because technically, if I would have signed a one day contract during the season, they would have had to have released someone for me. How shitty would that be to be the guy that gets cut so I could retire a viking?

Wait, but did you get to do anything? Like, we always joke, like, we want to be like, go do a workout or something, or let. Let me actually get the use out of this one day contract.

I think the coolest thing that I got to do was, like, my oldest two. My two. My twin daughters, they remember going to games at US Bank Stadium like, they were old enough for that. My son does not. He's five now. The one year that he might have remembered some games was 2020, when no one went to games. So he remembers New York and Tampa, which, for me, there's not a whole lot to remember from either of those two places. I didn't do much there.

You caught Tom Brady's last touchdown, right?

I did. That was about.

That's pretty crazy.

Did you hang on to the ball?

So I had the ball. We were actually talking about it out there on the floor. I probably devalued one of the most valuable balls in the history. It was my 50th career touchdown.

So would you.

That's why I kept it.

Oh, yeah.

So I kept the ball. I had no idea that was gonna be Tom's last regular season touchdown. I don't think anyone did. And so I caught the touchdown knowing it was my 50th. And now, like. Like, you know, like, the marathon runners that run the marathon and then just drop, like, 100 yards from the finish line. Like, their body just can't physically go another inch. That was like, me getting to 50 touchdowns. I had, like, 47 touchdowns in 2019, and I retired in 2022 with my last game, catching my 50th touchdown. Like, I had never had a season with less than three touchdowns in a year. And I went, like, one in 21 and 21. And then the last game of 22, I'm like, you know what? I'm just I'm gonna retire with 49 touchdowns the way it's supposed to be. And I caught the touchdown against the Falcons from Tom. So I'm like, all right, I got, you know, I got the ball, my 50th career touchdown. Like, that's pretty sweet. And then I gave it to the equipment manager, and then, obviously, he had it painted. It says, kyle Rudolph's 50th. It does say from Tom Brady on it.

That's awesome, though. I feel like that might be, like, when they, when they make a baseball card and there's a small error on or something, maybe the value of the ball is even higher because you did that.

You got it. You know, what you got to do is you got to donate that to Canton, because then it will just be Tom Brady's last touchdown ball, but it'll be your.

It will never get hall of fame. I could live in Canton forever.

Yeah. They'll be like, here's Tom Brady's last touchdown pass. Or just say, kyle Rudolph 50th touchdown. They got to do that.

Take my boys to Canton in, like, ten years and be like, look, your dad's in the whole thing.

Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's a fun fact, though. You can always say that. Like, the last one that he threw, unless he comes back and plays for the Raiders in two years, which I. I know it's impossible for him to do that, but in the back of my head, I'm like, well, what if? What if?

Yeah. I mean, it's also supposedly impossible for him to continue to do the stuff that he's going to do at Fox.

Yeah.

Like, they. I read something like, the rules that he will have to follow. It'll almost be impossible for him to broadcast games with the. The protocol. Like, he can't be in production meetings. He can't talk to anyone. He can't go into other facilities across the league.

He can't criticize officials. He has to abide by the tampering policies. So I don't know. Is he allowed to say, like, hey, this player is really good? I don't know. I don't know what the rules are.

Going to be, but it'll be interesting.

But it's.

They're going to choose your point if they're going to change the rules for anybody.

Yeah, it would be Brady.

It's like, if Tom wants to come play quarterback, they'd probably let him.

Did Brady ever accidentally call you gronk? Mm mm. Would he ever give you a look and you're like. You're thinking, I'm not gronk.

Yeah, for sure. Like, I remember, like, probably like halfway through training camp, you know, it's interesting cause I had obviously never played with a quarterback like Tom. Not many people have. And it was more so the way in which he just simplified everything. Like, if I'm running a corner route and it's zone coverage and there's a massive void in the defense. Like, when I come out of my corner route, like, turn around, I'm gonna throw the ball.

Yeah.

Like, so many quarterbacks that I played with were like, like, hey, you have a corner route. You got to run up to twelve yards. You got to put your foot in the ground at twelve. And I want you at 16 to 18 yards, like, right over there. And if you're not there, I'm going to be pissed off because on the sheet of paper that we looked at on Wednesday, it says you have a corner route and that's where you're supposed to be to. Whereas Tom was like, almost at times, like recess, like, he threw again. So I run up, I got a corner out, you know, I get by the linebacker, I put my foot on the ground thinking, oh, man, I'm going to take this thing. Like, there's no one over here. And also in the ball, like, skips next to me on the ground, I'm like, what the fuck?

Yeah.

And I turn around, he's like, bro, what are you doing? There's no one there. Like, turn around.

Turn around right away. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that. Now I know why Gronk caught so many balls. Because it's like, hey, when no one's around you and you're open, he's like, I know you're open. I'm going to throw you the ball.

Right?

And I felt like that's one of the things with Tom, like, so many quarterbacks are worried about. Okay, here's the play. What do my guys have? What's my read? What's the defense giving me for him? He's just like, I know what my guys have. I've seen what you're gonna give me, like, five times already. Like, so I'm just looking and it's like, oh, no one's over there. I'm gonna throw the ball there.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Like, yeah, that makes total sense.

Yeah. Becomes intuitive.

Yeah, yeah, just get open.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I probably should have done that. Gronk for sure would have done that.

Yeah.

It'll never happen again.

Did you ever try to talk to him with, like, a limited vocabulary just to make him feel comfortable? I'm kind of like, ronk, just throw ball, throw ball.

I'll catch ball, throw ball, catch ball. Yeah, no, it's for me. You know, that was really the only reason I went to Tampa. He. Tom had reached out kind of earlier in the off season as Otas were going on, not sure what Gronk was going to do, whether he retired or not. And quite honestly, at that point, he was like, look, if he comes back, I'll take both of you.

Right?

Like, get down here. You know, for me, at that point in my career, I wouldn't say I didn't. I didn't know that was gonna be my last year going into it, but I knew the end was near, and I just wanted to win. That's all I cared about. And he's like, hey, we have one of the most talented teams I've ever been on. And I'm like, sweet, say no more. I'll be down there. And then obviously, Gronk retired, and I'm like, no, I definitely want to go, yeah.

What, down the stretch, what was the moment where you're like, okay, we're getting towards the end. Was there, like, something that you could feel playing where you're like, oh, my burst? Or, you know, I mean, no, I.

Mean, like, I tell people you can't lose your burst when you never had one.

Yeah, that's true. Good point. Like, I've never lost my burst.

Yeah, we still have our burst. And that was part of probably what was so frustrating for me is like, you know, people like, oh, you know, you're getting older. Like, you're in your thirties now. I'm like, I'm the exact same size that I've been my whole career, and my skill set has never been my speed, right? I'm a big guy. You can throw the ball anywhere. Big catch radius. That has nothing to do with running fast.

Right.

So you can't lose something that you never had. Right? But for me, like, I knew it was coming to the end where, like, what we do for previously 16 games, now 17 games, like, it's brutal. It's a grind. And if you don't enjoy it, it's hard to go out and fake it and be like, yeah, I'll keep doing this. Like, like, no. Like, I just kind of lost the fun in it. And once I lost the joy and the enjoyment that I got out of the game, that's where I knew. It's like, it's time to hang him up. Like, you can't get that back once it's gone.

That might. That must have made it somewhat easier. I. Obviously, it's not. It's not easy to retire something that you've been doing your whole life, but to have that feeling of, like, I feel it, I know it's not the same as it used to be. He's got to make it a little bit easier.

No, I'd say the. The decision's not easy, but it makes the transition easier.

Yeah.

Because you know that you're making the right decision based on how you feel. And ultimately, when I tell people, like, when you can walk away from the game on your own, not many guys get that opportunity.

Right.

Football is often taken from us, and then you're on the outside, you know, looking in, man. Like, otas are starting. I should be on a team, and, like, training camp started. Like, I should be in a camp somewhere, and then it's like, you see preseason games on tv and regular season games, and, like, last season, the. The 23 season, OTAs training camp, regular season. We went back to Minnesota week three for the retirement deal with my family. Not once was I like, damn, I should be like, I should be.

Yeah, that's gotta be.

I was just.

Yeah.

Like, when I was done, I was done. It's funny, I actually got a phone call because, like, early in free agency, there was still a few teams that were like, hey, you know, what do you think you still want to come out of? Actually, the Raiders reached out in, like, August, so it was like, five or six days into training camp. My agent called me, and he's like, hey, are you sure you're done? And I'm like, I'm at brunch in New York City, and it's like, 09:00 a.m. and I'm already drunk.

Yeah.

Like, it's August 1. Like, I'm done.

Yeah, I'm done. I'm done.

Probably. Good call.

Not going to that team last. That would have been a chaotic environment for you.

Yeah.

And that's honestly, you know, one of the other ones was Cincinnati. I'm from Cincinnati. Obviously, they have one of the best quarterbacks. We talked about Joe Burrow, and just, like, his elite ability, you know, he took a franchise that I saw just be abysmal for decades to a Super bowl, which I never would have thought would have happened.

Yeah.

And, you know, we started talking to them, and, you know, I like the idea that. The idea of ending my career back home, going and basically playing there for peanuts, you know, having my family be able to come to all my games and watch games and then being on a team with a legit quarterback and a good, good roster the year before going to Tampa, like, waiting as long as I did, ultimately believing that I'm picking the best situation possible and then having, like, for me personally and as a team, like, we completely underachieved as a team. We were eight and nine. We won our division, but it was because it was the NFC south. It was the worst division in football, lost in the first round of the playoffs. And for me, it was just like not enjoyable of a year at all. And I thought I was picking like, the most favorable situation possible. So that was kind of playing in my mind as free agency was starting at that point where I think this is the best situation possible. But, like, how do you really know?

Yeah.

And sure enough, I would have been playing with Jake Browning.

Yeah. Who we like, Jake Brown.

It was me in Minnesota.

Yeah. It would have changed. Yeah. I wasn't doing one. Right, right. You're doing one thing and it's, it's completely different.

I also feel like if you, if you go to Cincinnati to end your career, there's probably a good likelihood that you just stay there.

Right.

Right.

And then all the chili and.

Oh, have you seen the chili ice cream? Do you know they got skyline chili ice graters?

Yeah.

Oh, great. Yeah, yeah. It's not the same. So graters is its own deal. Yeah, yeah. But like, when you get like a Cincinnati pack, skyline would be in it. Graters would be in it. There's like a pizza sauce. Montgomery Inn.

No, no, no. Graters just made a skyline chili flavored ice cream.

Yeah, it's gross.

I don't know how I feel about that.

I'm gonna try it.

I have to. Kyle did what's for lunch with Donnie and he made skyline.

It was a good.

Unbelievable.

So Donnie came in yesterday, he was like, pft, Kyle wants skyline chili for lunch. What's in it? I was like, dude, just cinnamon.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Like cinnamon chocolate. Because when we were planning a trip this week, they asked me kind of what I wanted to do and we were in Minnesota for twelve years. There's some Minnesota type things like the juicy Lucy Burgers. All that stuff's great. And I'm like, you know, born and raised in Cincinnati. Like, I love my skyline chili. All send. Because like, you can get like the packs of like, how many people we serving? 4830. Like, I'll just give me the number of people and I'll have them send it all up and we can just rock out with it. No, no, no. Donnie wants to make it from scratch.

Yeah.

And I was like, okay, yeah, this is gonna be. And sure enough, just walking across the basketball court into the kitchen, I could smell it.

Yeah.

And it smelled like skyline chili. It tasted phenomenal. So it was pretty cool for me to get to do what's for lunch with Donnie and have a kid who grew up in Minnesota and, like, watch me play for the Vikings.

I know. Yeah. He's a big Vikings fan. Yeah.

I don't think when we interviewed you, it was before the Minneapolis miracle, right?

Yeah.

So, yeah, that one of the best plays, most iconic plays probably in NFL history. And you were there for it.

What.

What was going through your head when that happened?

It's funny because everybody remembers Diggs touchdown and, like, the miracle to win the game and the walk off touchdown that it was. But people don't really know kind of the whole flow of the game. You know, we were up like 16. I think it was 16 to nothing at halftime. Like nothing could go wrong. Then we come out at the start of the second half, obviously they have Drew Brees, Sean Payton, like they were. The Saints had a run where they were really good for a long time and you never really felt like the game was overdevelop. But for us, it was like interception, blocked punt, like, everything that we could possibly do wrong to let them back in the game, we did. And then sure enough, the last couple minutes of the game was like back and forth, back and forth. They score. I think there was like 26 seconds left, but we're only down one. All we needed to do was get in field goal range to ultimately have a chance at kicking a game winning field goal indoors in a. In a dome. We weren't kicking this one at TCF Bank Stadium with it being negative 20 degrees.

This one was going to be inside. So, you know, we had 26 seconds. I don't think we had any timeouts. And it was like, oh, really? All we need is like two chunk plays. And if we can get like a big chunk and get out of bounds now, we're really good shape. And we had the play that we called repeatedly, like back to back. Ultimately, the one that digs scored on. And, you know, it's kind of myself, Jerrys, Wright, and Diggs on one side of the formation. I go to the flat. Jerrys would go like a twelve yard out, and then Diggs would take the high corner. And ultimately, it's like, we want to put three guys where you only have two defenders. Like, there's only a corner and a safety over there and you've got to pick which of the two you want to cover. So we called it on. I think it was second down. And I like run out to the flat and turn and look back thinking the ball is going to come to me because there's no one around. Like they guarded Jerius and they guarded digs. Like the twelve yard guy and the deep guy.

And I'm like, this is perfect. Case can throw me the ball. I'll get like 1012 yards and get out of bounds. Now we're ten yards closer to that field goal. And, you know, I run to the flat thinking the ball is coming, look over my shoulder, and he chucks it to Jerrys Wright, who was probably like 15 yards downfield over his head, out of bounds. I'm like, shit, like, now what are we going to do? You know that that would have been 1015 yards we just wasted, you know how many? Five, 6 seconds. So we called come back, we call the exact same play, and the next time the corner jumped me in the flat and it was like, so we were in the bunch. I run to the flat, the corner covered me right away, and immediately I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

Yeah, well, you're not supposed to be here.

No, like, you, we have no timeouts. We need like 35 yards to get in a field go range. If he throws me the ball, we're doing you a favor. Yeah, I'm, I'm not going to be able to get 35 yards and get out of bounds. Like, why? And why would you cover me?

Because he didn't last play. And he was like, fuck, I should have got kyle. Yeah.

But ultimately that left jerry's and diggs two on one with whoever that safety was. He chucked it to diggs. We also, you know, saw the play where he catches, it keeps his balance, the, you know, safety, johnson, he, I think he's in baltimore now.

Yeah. And we all were like yelling like, you got to get out of bounds.

Yeah, I think about that. If that was me in that situation, I probably would have caught the ball and ran out of bounds immediately. And then it would have been up to a kicker to win the game, which obviously we saw how that went for us once in the past where.

There'S a couple of times in Vikings.

I caught a ball. So in that Seahawks game, I caught a ball in that two minute drill and like got to the nine yard line. And so I like, went out of bounds at the nine yard line thinking this game's over. So for me, it's like, I would have caught that ball and probably went right out of bounds because that's what you're supposed to do. And for Diggs to, like, have the wherewithal to keep his balance and then just, like, run and score. Yeah, it was amazing.

Tough question, but do you think the way that game ended had anything to do with how you guys came out against the Eagles the next week? Week? Or were the Eagles just that good? I mean, they were Super Bowl, I think.

I think it was a combination of that. But then also, like, I remember, like, that Eagles game, we went right down the field. The first driving score. Yeah, I caught a touchdown. It was seven nothing. They went maybe three and out, but, like, they didn't have the ball long. On offense, we got the ball back a couple first downs, right? Getting ready to cross midfield. And I remember thinking to myself, like, man, these, these Philly fans, if we can score and go up 14 nothing, like they might boo nick foles out of here and, like, we'll get him to turn and have the advantage being on the road. And it was like the next third down, we threw a pick six.

It was all over.

It was over. They were cranking meek mill and it was like someone hit a bee's nest with a stick. I mean, just the place was going bananas. So everyone sees that score. I was like 38 to seven or something. I don't remember what the final was, but. So they made it seven seven. Then it was 14 seven. We had the ball on, like, the ten or twelve yard line, getting ready to score with a minute or two left before half. And again I run a corner out. I look over my shoulder, thinking the ball is going to be in the air. The game's tied 1414. And all of a sudden, I come out of my break, look over my shoulder. There's no ball. So then ultimately, I look down to the quarterback while the ball was on the ground. So case had got strip sacked. So instead of the game being tied 1414, they have a sack fumble. They go down and score 21 seven. They get the ball to start the second half, 28 seven. The next time we touch the ball, it was 28 seven instead of 1414.

Yeah.

And it's like, it's over.

So it wasn't how you came out?

No, it was just how he came out. And then for them, honestly, like, they were hitting everything. Like foles hit a flea flicker to Tori Smith. Like, he literally caught it, like 50 yards downfield, almost out of bounds. Yeah, he hit Al Shawn Jeffrey on a bomb. Like, they were just dialing it up.

Did it fuck you up, though, a little, knowing you're going to this NFC championship game in the Super Bowls at home?

Well, it had never happened.

I know. And then it happened with the Bucks.

Yeah, bucks and rams. It was like two out of the next three years. It happened right away after we were so close. Close. It fucked me up more coming back after we lost and then, like, having Philly and New England come like that. That sucked. Yeah, I remember landing. That was. I was fortunate to be in the Pro bowl that year. So after coming back from the NFC championship loss, we went to Orlando for the week, and it, like, gave us a break. Being in Orlando for the week, you didn't really think about it, but we landed back from Orlando that Monday.

Super Bowl super.

And it was like the whole airport was decked out in Super bowl gear. Like, the Patriots plane had landed while we were in the terminal. And, like, you see it. And that's where I was like, I gotta get the hell out.

And it was also. I remember that Super bowl week so well. Cause I have a bunch of friends from Minnesota, and I went out to dinner with them, I think the Friday night, and they were like, thank God we had, like, decent weather this week. It was like 20 degrees all week. Right? But they were right. Like, that was actually, like, incredible weather.

For, I think it was, like, up till Thursday or maybe even Friday morning that week. It was. It was like, in the twenties, which.

Is a heat wave.

The weekend, though, like, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, it. It was brutally cold.

I remember that Friday, it was like negative eight walking out to the car, and I was like, what? The.

Yeah. But they were like, yeah, no, it's been incredible how it's been beautiful.

Sun's out, it's 20 degrees.

We're worried about this weather, and it's been awesome weather.

Do you have any expectations put on you if you're. If it's your hometown that's hosting the Super bowl? Do those players on teams, like, are you doing any events that week or anything?

Yeah, I mean, for us, I felt like it was kind of unique because it wasn't like we had four weeks to plantain it. Having not made the playoffs, we were fully anticipating. You know, for me, it's like, I'm coming back to Minnesota. I'm gonna have, like, my wife worry about the tickets. Like, you handle all that stuff. I gotta focus on a game instead. We lost, went to Orlando, came home, and then basically at that point, it was like, how much money can I make this week? Yeah, that it's in our hometown. Like make as much money as possible with all the appearances and whatnot. And then for us, we got the hell out of there on, I think it was like Friday or Saturday we went.

You didn't come to the worst parcel party ever, did you?

I was there.

Oh, that was so bad.

Yeah, that was.

I just.

No one could get more house.

Yeah, no one could get in.

Yeah, no, yeah. You might be thinking of the live radio setup that we. Oh, yeah, that Friday we had this big indoor.

Yeah, it was like, there was like Rose. Like, it was like an atrium.

Yeah, you were there. Yeah, that was. Yeah, I just remember SVP called me. He's like there. I'm standing in line in like ten degree weather.

Exactly. And you stand in line, you're freezing.

Yeah. And Greg Olson, I think got a table and it was just taken. And it was, it was. That was an embarrassing.

Glennie balls had to get called outside to bring some famous musician and I'm trying to remember it was bad. It was like flow ride or something.

We did go crab our Super bowl party. History is like we just crushed it in Houston the first year. Never have done it again. That was the best party ever. And every single one after that was down.

Ja Ron Ashanti.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it was like everyone came and everyone's like, that's the best part of the week. We should have just walked off, right?

Miami, the torrential downpour.

Oh, yeah, you did that one.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Rough and Rowdy got washed out.

Yeah.

Like the apocalypse. The bridge was like on fire driving.

McGavin just sitting in like in like 3ft of rain.

That picture party, I was actually just looking at a list here of quarterbacks that you've caught touchdown passes from. Cause I looked it up. I was like, well, Tom Brady's, you know, obviously won from him. Can you name every quarterback that you've caught a touchdown from?

Yeah. Christian Ponder, Matt Castle, Joe Webb. Joe Webb was.

I believed in Joe Webb.

I was in Washington on Christmas Eve.

Joe. I lost a lot of money thinking Joe Webb was going to go into Green Bay in the playoff game. I believe Joe Webb is the answer. Michael Vick did it. Joe Webb.

That was so that 2011 was when I caught the touchdown from Joe Webb on Christmas Eve. Second to last. That was the game. We beat Washington in Washington. So we didn't get Andrew luck. We would have had the number one overall pick if we had lost to Washington and we lost to Chicago. The next week. So Joe Webb kept us from having Andrew Luck.

Joe Webb.

But ultimately, yeah. So that Joe Webb. The next year, Christian got hurt. Week 17, we beat Green Bay at home to then play them in the wild card round in Green Bay. And the whole week we like, because media is only at practice during the individual period. And like, Christian pretended like he was practicing even though he couldn't even throw a football. And it was like we tried to keep it a secret that Joe was going to be the starter. But then ultimately we didn't change anything. Like, we didn't change the offense to shoot Joe.

I thought you were going to go Joe a full Joe Webb on him.

The next week, Green Bay goes to San Fran and Colin Kaepernick runs all over.

Yeah.

And it's like we had that guy the week before. We could have just let Joe run all over the place.

I haven't thought of Joe Webb forever. That was believer in Joe.

A very frustrating playoff game to watch. Do something. I know you can do it.

Cold love Joe to death from Birmingham, Alabama. Like, as Joe's lips are frozen in Green Bay, like with his thick, like, Birmingham accent, trying to hear him annunciate the play. That was a challenge in itself. Yeah. Then it would have been.

Let's see, who did you say so far? You said Christian ponder, Tom Brady, Joe Webb.

Yeah.

I'm gonna go chronological order that probably my best chance, it would be Christian, Joe, Matt Castle, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum, Kirk Cousins, Daniel Jones, and then Tom Bernie.

There's one, one more.

Who would it have been?

Matt Castle. Oh, you said Matt Castle. Okay. All right. Yeah, you got them all.

Cause then there's, I mean, there, I've also had games that I've started with quarterbacks as well. That is in catch touchdowns from too. So you got Donovan McNabb, Marcus Freeman, Sean Hill.

A lot of people thought Marcus Freeman was the best quarterback coming out of college.

Yeah.

Or no. That's Josh Freeman.

Josh.

That's what I meant to Josh. Marcus Freeman's a head coach.

The Donovan McNabb Vikings era.

Donovan games.

Yeah, I went to, I went to a Monday night game.

That was the last.

Yeah, Bears Viking. And he was. I just remember sitting there like chuckling to myself because every pass was just like five yards in front of everyone. Yeah.

So that was, that was Donna Christian started the next week. The Josh Freeman. Can't believe I said Marcus Freeman. What a fucking idiot. The coach at Notre Dame.

That's okay.

Josh Freeman. We played in London against the Steelers. We were zero three. Christian was the starter for the first three weeks. He got smoked in, like a Browns game, remember? I think his. Phil Taylor was like the big defensive tackle from the Browns. Yeah, massive dude. Like, he hit Christian. I think he broke, like two or three of his ribs. So Christian was out. When we went to London, Matt Castle started. We beat the Steelers in London in, like. Like, we were talking about it over there on yak. Like, we stayed the night in London and then flew home the next morning. We were one in three. But we were going into the bye week with the win. We had a huge good time in London, flew back. Matt started the next week against Carolina. That was the year that Carolina won, like 15 in a row or something. So they beat us, and it was like, ultimately, Josh. We had traded for Josh Freeman over the bye week. He had been there for like five practices. Yeah, we started him on Monday night in New York, and it was like one of the historically worst performances by a quarterback ever.

And I felt so bad for him. He had been there for five days, and we were like, yeah, let's throw him out there on Monday night football against the Giants. So that was bad.

But then they ran back with Josh Dobbs.

Right.

This might be a dumb question. This is probably just, like, my memory and just all the years football. Was Josh Freeman a big snake guy?

Yeah, he, like, all over his.

Apparently he was a big snake.

Was really.

Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't know why.

That's a fact. I never, I didn't have in my brain, I could remember, like, what I'm doing later today, but I'm like, no, I actually just have. Josh Freeman was a snake guy.

Yeah, yeah. I never, never went to a spot, but I heard that, like, he just kind of had him everywhere. Like, they weren't in. In, like, glass. Yeah, yeah.

Free range. Yeah.

I mean, coming out of college, the big argument was, who do you want to? Or Josh Freeman. And I feel like Cam Newton might have won that debate.

Yeah, I would say so. I'd say he probably won that.

I mean, but Josh, I mean, he could throw it 100 yards. I mean, he had an absolute cannon.

Who's, who's the hardest? What's the hardest you've ever been hit by any player?

Lance Briggs.

He had a lot of muscle behind him.

He. It was the Sunday after Thanksgiving. We were playing in Chicago, noon, kickoff off. I was running like a crossing route. I didn't get the ball, and he came down and just like, smoked me. Probably would be a penalty today.

Yeah. Do you get mad about that?

I was, like, sitting on the ground, and it was kind of like one of those things I was collecting my thoughts didn't really hit me right away. I was like, okay. Like, he hit me pretty good. Go back to the huddle. The next play was fourth and goal. We ended up turning it over on downs, went to the sideline. I think the Bears went three and out. They punted it back to us. And then, like, the. We went three and out on the next drive, when we got the ball back and it was autopilot, like, I was out there. I was in the huddle. I was where I was supposed to be. I ran the route that I was supposed to run. I blocked, like, no clue, no recollection. Come to the sideline and, like, one of the practice squad tight ends, like, tossed me a. Like, a beanie. And, bro, what's this for? He's like, get your hat.

Holy shit.

What do I need a hat for? And they were like, uh, sug. Like, our head trainer. Like, suge, you need to talk to Rudy. He's. He's a little out there right now. And so, sure enough, they, like, came over and like, you know, do you know who we're playing?

You didn't have an answer. Oh, wow.

They're like, do you know what month it is? And I was like, October. I was sure. Shit, it was October. The Sunday after Thanksgiving.

Yeah.

I said October like that.

Nailed it.

Nailed it.

Yeah.

Let me get back in the game. So they took me to the locker room. I failed my iPad test miserably. Our head doctor was like, you know, do you have anybody at home that can look out after you tonight? You know, just make sure you're all right. I'm like, yeah, I live with Harrison Smith. Like, he's on the fucking table over there in the first quarter. And, well, dude, both of you have someone that can take care of you? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. My. Not wife Jordan, it's like, she'll take care of us, so.

Yeah, took care of both of you.

Yeah, both of us. And it was funny because they, like, told her. They're like, you know, try to, you know, typical. Don't watch tv. Like, make sure you wake him up throughout the course, the night. And, like, we. We got back, and we're, like, watching Sunday Night football in a dark room. Exactly. You're not supposed to do. Don't you dare wake us up. Like, if we're sleeping, don't wake us up. But, yeah, so that was the hardest I ever got hit. And it was funny because after. After I said that and I walked, like, back towards my locker, it, like, immediately came back. Like, something triggered my mind that Notre Dame, I think there was, like, a. I saw, because we had. Everson Griffin and Matt Khalil Castle may have been on the team at that. We, like, a bunch of USC guys on the team. And, like, I don't know if I put, like, a Notre dame something in one of their lockers or it triggered my memory, like, right away. And I, like, turn and ran back, and I'm like, it's the Sunday after Thanksgiving. Notre Dame just beat USC last night. Like, I'm good.

And they're like, hit the showers. You're not going back.

So the iPad test that they give you what was on the iPad?

Yeah, it's, like, a lot of, like, memory thing and, like, numbers. So, like, hey, here's five numbers in order. Like, repeat them back, or, you know, here's six words. Like, we want you to remember them, and then we're gonna ask you other questions, and we're gonna come back and say, like, hey, read me the six words if you don't know what month it is or who you're playing. I don't even know why they gave me the iPad test.

Right.

Like, clearly I failed.

Well, you were confident with October. Yeah, maybe they're like, oh, he's got it.

Yeah. They just want to have him believe in it.

Yeah.

I love the idea of them sending you and Harrison Smith home together and just like, okay, look after each other.

Take care of one.

You guys got this. So what was that like, living with a teammate?

Was that that, you know, like, so Harry and I, obviously, we went to Notre Dame together. He was a year ahead of me at Notre Dame, so he was there for five. I left after three, so he got to Notre Dame in zero seven. I got to Minnesota in eleven, and then he got there in twelve. So I had already been there for a year. We drafted him in the first round, and, like, he was trying to figure out kind of where to live, and I'm like, dude, just live with me. Like, let's live together.

Yeah.

And it was. It was awesome. Like, we. We. We had a blast. It was, you know, to be able to live with, like, one of your college buddies as you're both still trying to, like, figure out the whole NFL thing. For me, it was year two. It was. It was good. Good year for us both to, like, went to the playoffs, you know, Harry kind of. I don't think a lot of people expected him to be as good of a professional as he was. Like, right away, you know, he came out. I think he had three touchdowns as a rookie. Like, pick sixes. Just balled out from the beginning.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, so I got a couple last questions. Been awesome catching up with you. Do you still talk to Charlie Weiss?

I do, actually.

And his perk, because I think you were the one who told us about the birds. So fuego. Yes. So fuego. I think you were the one who told us about the bird.

We might have invented the bird. But then we talked to Charlie Weiss. He's like, yeah, I got a bird. I got.

He's got two birds that he lives in his house and they, like, attack people to walk in. Asshole.

Parrot named sol. Fuego.

So fuego.

No. So every time I would spend. He always had, like, golden retriever. Like, dogs. Don't remember the birds. But yeah, Charlie. I still talked to Charlie probably weekly. I was just texting with him the other day. I saw him, he came over, you know, obviously he lives on the atlantic side of South Florida. So he drove over to Tampa a couple weeks ago. We got together. But for me, like 18 years old. You go to college and your head coach is so much more than a head coach for you at that point in your life. Like, he. For me, he really became, like, a father figure and someone that I'm still super close with to this day. And Charlie's awesome, man. He's lost like 150 pounds.

Holy shit.

Yeah, he looks great. Like, when I saw him a couple weeks ago, he's moving around as good as I've ever seen him move around. Charlie Junior's got a couple kids now. And it's just like, I don't miss.

Right?

Yeah, he's the offensive coordinator, Ole Miss. And I think that really kind of just. Just opened his eyes to, I need to get it together, Charlie. The grandkids, I want to be here for them. And it's been awesome. One of my college roommates, Mike Golic junior, his family has a charity event back in South Bend every summer. Do a cool golf tournament and stuff. And Charlie was back this year. We had like ten or twelve of the guys from my class. It was just awesome to see him. Awesome to spend time with him and see him doing so well. Well, that's awesome.

You ever hang out with Golic's pugs?

Yeah. Yeah. So the dogs are always around. They're just the best family. I mean, like, all the Mister Golick misses Golick. They. They really took all of us in. They were kind of like our parents when we were in school. And they're. They're good people.

Yeah, no, we love the golics. We always love the goal. All right, so my last question. Roeback question. Promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Cue zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. So you, you came to the office today where it was awesome. We did the pro football show, which will be out Friday night. You're doing a bunch. You did the gauntlet. You're not plugging anything. But we got to plug the fact that you are still doing an awesome foundation. So we got to talk about it.

That's what you're doing for me. Coming out of the pandemic, Jason Zucker, who played for the Minnesota wild, he's on the Buffalo Sabers currently. We did a ton of stuff together in the twin Cities around masonic children's hospital. And, you know, we had all the traditional events. We had the. The barstool golf guys out to our golf tournament. Like, we had Dave and Riggs, Trent, Frankie. Like, when Frankie was Dave's camera guy. Like, I give him a hard time because it's like, way before any of you guys were famous, you were celebrities in my golf tournament. And, like, now they're huge. They were not famous at the time. They were celebrities and in our golf tournament. But we always had those traditional events, like the fancy events, the golf tournaments. Hell, we even created, like, a beer Olympics on Lake Minnetonka, which is a touchy subject given the history of the Vikings and Lake Minnetonka.

The history of the beer Olympics. Yeah.

So we called it the Lake Bash. That was our, like, politically correct way of saying we're gonna raise money for a children's hospital, but we're gonna play flip cup and quarters and beer pong and all this fun stuff. Stuff. So it's like, we tried to find as many creative ways as we possibly could to raise money for the children's hospital there. And the children's hospital is amazing. Like, the nurses, the doctors, the staff, everybody, they're incredible. I've loved serving them as much as we can over the course of my time there. And, you know, for me, it was really coming out of the pandemic where we didn't have any events. Like, you couldn't have all the traditional charity events that you always had. And sitting down with Jason and some of our other supporters from the children's hospital who have become co founders in Altru, the company that we started to ultimately raise money for nonprofits, was we wanted to come up with a way in which, like, you think about sports, particularly sports, obviously, now we're in music. We have. It's wild with right now on our website on altru.com. i want to challenge the stoolies because the swifties went crazy this week.

I'm going to the Taylor Swift's concert next Friday in New Orleans.

Okay.

Thanks to Demario Davis. He had a suite there. You know, he hooked us up with some tickets. My daughters probably won't see the show, so I can say this. I'm taking my eight year old twin daughter. So my wife and I are taking our twin daughters over. Like, they're super jacked about it. But we had two extra tickets, and we put them on our platform to raise money for the hurricane relief, which we've lived through, both of them, and, like, seeing the Tampa Bay area and the destruction from Helene, which a lot of people don't realize because the storm hit so much further north. And you hear about Carolinas and Tennessee and Georgia, they don't realize how bad the Tampa area flooded from Helene and then, obviously from Milton. You know, that was a direct path right through there. And it was like everybody pretty much already had their lives out at the current because it was flooded. And then this, you know, storm rolls through with high winds, and it's just. It's been pretty catastrophic for just that bay area. And I was like, look, we did so much for Minnesota when we were in Minnesota, and I get it.

I was here for, like, a cup of coffee. I mean, I played, like, five games for the bucks. I think I was in sweats a majority of that season, but I'm like, this is home now. We want to do something to support this community. And we have these tickets that people are just dying. Yeah, they're in a suite at the Caesar Superdome in New Orleans. So we threw those up, and, I mean, it was like $25,000 of charity right away for in. Like, she's not even associated with it. Yeah, they're not even promoting this, just people seeing it on the site. And, like, a. We want to support the hurricane relief and be like, the swifties came out and supported big time. So I need the stoolies, okay. To dominate the swifties here on the back. And we got through the weekend, and then basically, the way our platform works is we, most of the time, we partner with celebrities. So, you know, whether it be. We actually did something with the foreplay guys. So the foreplay guys sent a winner and a guest to the Ryder cup when it was in Paris. And the way we do it is like we want to create those once in a lifetime opportunities that most of the time, are out of reach for die hard sports fans.

Your die hard sports fans not spending $10,000 in a live auction to buy that trip. It's priced out of a majority of our, our fans who spend their hard earned money on the game they can go to or the season tickets or, you know, whatever they can do to support their team. With us, you can support your favorite player, your favorite musician, your favorite actor for as little as $10. And it's like, we do donations directly to their nonprofit from ten dollars to five hundred dollars. And then you have chances to win these once.

Yeah.

So it's awesome. It's a sweepstakes model in which, you know, for us, we have four co founders who are, to our core, you know, philanthropists. And it's about raising as much money as we possibly can for these other individuals charities. So providing a platform.

We aren't, we don't go to anything, but let's. Let's do something with us. Let's have someone, let's do an auction where someone can watch NFL football with us on a Sunday. So come to the gambling cave.

I would love that. Let's do it with you guys. We'll give fans the opportunity to pick. You pick the charity, you get to pick the nonprofit, and we'll get it up and going and get the stools to have an opportunity to hang out with you guys. That would be awesome.

We'd be happy to do that. And then when the next Ryder cup comes around, me and big cat were just talking about this. They're pricing out all the real golf fans here in America. So if you want to go up to Beth Page and watch the Ryder cup, was it 750 ticket crazy?

I saw that sheet that came out. Ticket prices.

Maybe we can do something like that and send a die hard golf fan that's not able to afford.

We're in, though.

It's crazy because in three years, we've raised, I think, like, over $6 million for charity. We've worked with over 165 different nonprofits. And to me, that's one of the cool parts, is, like, what we were able to do in Minneapolis with the children's hospital was amazing. And again, to serve those doctors, patients, families, nurses is. It's great for that community. And, like, the legacy that we were able to leave as a family in that small community is cool.

That's awesome.

But now what Altru allows us to do is impact organizations all across the country. And even, like, we worked with Sidney Crosby last year, and we're getting ready to launch again with Sid. His foundation's in Canada. It's like a youth camp in Canada that we fund for him through an experience to go to a penguins game and, like, meet Sid and get a sign stick. And, you know, to your point, like, the die hard sports fans are often priced out of these once in a lifetime experiences. And of the call it 170 winners that we've had over the last three years, it's almost interesting how good, like, fate is. And we were just two weeks ago, I was in La for Arnold Schwarzenegger. Had a poker tournament at his house to benefit after school all stars as his nonprofit it. And we call them rallies because it's a sweepstakes. But ultimately, we're trying to get fans to rally behind these causes and these celebrities. And so we did a rally with Arnold where the winner got to go to Arnold's house and play in the poker tournament and go to the event. And it's like to buy a seat at that event.

It was like 50 grand to have a spot at the poker event. And this woman, who's a diehard Arnold fan with, like, an Arnold tattoo on her, the opportunity to meet him at their house. And so to me, like, yes, we're raising money for all these great nonprofits. And, like, that's a win in itself, because what I've tried to create is almost like a completely different pool of charitable dollars. These little, like, 1025, $50 donations wouldn't be going to charity if you didn't have a reason to give them, right? It would just be all of the events and the high net worth donations. And the corporate sponsors, like, all that money that's always been going to charity will continue to go. How do we take that, call it billion dollar market and raise more money and add to it? But then the flip side is the winners. And when you tell these people that they won and they can't believe it. With the Minnesota Vikings foundation over the summer, we gave away a brand new Ford f 150. So, hell yes, Northland Ford dealers in Minnesota ponied up a brand new f 150. They donated to the charity.

Vikings fans got to donate for a chance to win a new truck. And sure enough, the winner was like, a local St. Paul guy, had a Viking season ticket holder for 25 years. We get his address, Victor, literally the mascot, and I roll up to his house, knock on the door. And, like, this dude had a rusted out f 150 in his drive.

Oh, that's perfect.

And it was, like, so cool. I mean, he just starts crying right away. He was like, I don't ever buy myself a new truck because I got my wife a new car. And he's like, I've been a season ticket holder for 25 years. I love the Vikings. I'm like, let's go pick out your truck. So the winner side is almost as cool as raising the money.

That's amazing.

I do have to follow up. Since you alluded to the love boat, Fred Smoot, and the love cruise that you guys had, this is before your time.

It was.

You weren't there. I think that was 2006.

Oh six. I was still in high school, but trust me, I lived on Lake Minnetonka. And, like, the first time we went out on Lake Minnetonka, Tonka, it was brought to our attention immediately. This is what happened. Don't do it.

So what stories were still in the building? Were there guys still from that team?

Yeah, I think the funniest story, and it really wasn't even from two stories. I'll tell two stories. First of which was a result of love boat or love cruise, whatever they called it. And it was Chad Greenway, who's like, a dear friend of mine, like, was a mentor. As soon as I got drafted to the Vikings, took me under his wing. Wing. He was their 1st, 1st round draft pick that next year, and he's like, they 100% drafted me because I was like a clean cut white guy from Iowa. And it was like, we got to clean up our image. Like, we can't be having, like, this love boat. So he swears that's why he got drafted by the Vikings. So that was a funny story from it. And the other was like, the team meeting that followed, you know, so the. It happens, like, it hits the news. Everybody gets called into the facility. The Wilf family had just bought the team. Like, they just bought the team in zero six. And so Mark and Ziggy are there, and they're talking to the team, and Mark doesn't have much of an accent. Like, mark speaks, you know, they're from New Jersey, but you wouldn't know that.

Mark is foreign. So Ziggy, on the other hand, like, still has a very thick accent. And the guy said that, you know, Ziggy was just like, you could tell he was so disappointed and everybody on the team, and he's kind of going through it, and he's like, you know, I just. And everybody in their mind's thinking, like, what's he gonna say? Like, what's he gonna say that he's most disappointed about? Like, was it the hookers on the boat or the drugs that were all over the place? Or, like, whatnot? And he goes, I just. I can't understand how you would pee in someone's yard when the guys got all. Got off the boat. That's what got him busted. Someone was peeing in someone's backyard. And that's like, the police report was, that someone was peeing in someone's backyard. And it wasn't that. There was a million hookers getting off the boat and drugs everywhere. And they, like, again, talking to Jim Klein, Saucer, who was a tight end when I got there as a rookie going into his 13th year, Jim would tell that story, and he's just like, I was dying. He's like, you're thinking of, what's the worst thing he could possibly say that this poor guy who just bought the team heard that one of our morons was doing on this boat.

Yeah.

I just can't believe you guys would pee in someone's yard. That was, like, the most disappointing.

Sick. If he was like, I just can't believe you guys didn't invite me.

Bought the team.

You guys didn't give us an invite.

Well, Kyle, thanks so much, man, for coming by. Always great to see you. And we will set it up so we'll let everyone know when we get it set up, and we'll. We'll do something fun for the stoolies. And always great having you on, man.

I appreciate you guys. I can't believe it had been. I know, 16. I mean, I see you guys all the time. Big cat. We hang out at Baja. Yeah, we went, but, yeah, I hadn't. Hadn't gotten on the show in a while.

Just randomly checking into the hotel, in for our one vacation a year after Super bowl, me and my wife, and it was just Kyle standing there with his wife. It's like, all right, let's go to dinner.

Yeah, we both did the exact same thing. It was like the season ended, and we left the kids at home and went to the Bahamas to have our trip. But, yeah, no, I appreciate you guys. It's been awesome to be back. I tried to dust out my old big country t shirt.

Oh, I still have that somewhere.

Yeah, one of the best t shirts. You know, a. It was like, the soft cotton type t shirt. But then just the fact that there's not a. Aside from enjoying country music. Like, yeah, there's not a country bone in my body.

Yeah, we just put a nickname on you.

Big white guy with tattoos. Like, and it went vi. Like, still to this day, I have people like, yo, big country.

You are from a country, though.

I am from a country. And then, like, country is in my family. Like, my mom grew up on a dairy farm. Like, it's in there, but I'm not.

Yeah, you're not.

I was, like, soft. Grew up in Cincinnati.

Who's next up? Maybe you can pass the nickname down.

Maybe.

There's always one tight end in the NFL. That's big country.

Yeah, well, we could go through it. I mean, I. Cole, who's here.

Yeah, Cole could be cold.

Could be a great big country. And he just, like, I grew up in, in the suburbs, like, rich area of Chicago. He's probably never spent a day in his life on a farm.

Big country could be a good country.

You want to pass it down to Cole?

We'll convene this. I think we got to go through a more formal vetting process.

We're going to watch football tonight. We'll figure it out. Yes.

We'll definitely pass it on to someone that doesn't deserve it, much like I did.

All right, thanks so much.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He is one of the toughest guys in the world. It's Francis Naganu. He's getting. He's with us right now via hologram, getting ready for his big fight. October 19, it's the battle of the Giants. Nagano versus Ferreira goes down October 19 at 04:00 p.m. eastern on ESPN, plus pay per view into zone. Pay per view. Francis, first of all, thank you for joining us. We are looking at you. Looks like you're in this room with us. I know you said you've never done a hologram before, but it's pretty damn cool from this end. So thank you for doing this.

You're welcome. Thank you. I mean, as I said, I feel uncomfortable. Uncomfortable like the holy grail stuff. I never done that. I mean, at least not as an entity.

Yes. Yeah.

I have done a hologram, but not for any.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it does look cool on our end. It's going to come out cool for our fans. So let's talk about the fight October 19. You're getting back in the octagon. You are putting on the MMA gloves again, are you? What's going through your head now that you've had, like, you know, a couple years off, switched to boxing, now back to this. Do you feel like you had to sharpen your skills and. And kind of relearn some things? Or is it like getting on a bike and just riding it again?

It's not like, relent something, but it's like getting on the bike and ride it again, obviously. Like, after a while, you kind of, like, question if you're gonna ride it as you used to, you know, as far as performance and stuff. But at the end of the day, the skills to that, it just take a couple months to seven. The skills, you know?

Yeah.

So it's like riding a bike, like going to the gym the first time, you worried, like, am I even going to remember how this worked? Like, did I forget something? And then you get in the gym, you get on the mat, you find yourself in situation, then it just feels like you were there two days ago.

Yeah.

Do you feel like boxing made you a better MMA fighter?

I think both are very different sport. They are very, completely different because, like, even if, like, you perform your box, like, the training that you do for boxing, the position, the guard and everything is not what adapt for MMA. But you have to, like, be very careful of your posture after coming from boxing to MMA, because if you stand like you're standing in boxing in MMA with a. Giving an opportunity to a guy to kick your legs to take you down and all the stuff is not good at all.

Yeah, yeah, I could imagine. Like, have you noticed yourself doing that in training where you catch yourself every now and then doing, like, a boxing stance or acting like you're in boxing, so that doesn't happen when you're training and getting ready for this fight?

No, no, no. It's not like I've been doing boxing for, I don't know, for ten years, that now I have a body motor metabolism for it, like. No, yeah, I've been doing MMA mostly, so going back into MMA is easier. I mean, what would it be complicated? Would it be like to come to do boxing from MMA after being doing MMA for such a long time, you know? But again, I was always able to distinguish both of them make the difference between boxing and MMA.

And you said that the punches are harder in MMA, right?

In UFC, I mean, technically, yes. I mean, in MMA, remember, it's four ounce gloves with sometime, like, uh, with, uh, your benicles, your neck, some of your necklace, uh, knocks open. So sometimes you get caught by that. That's why, like, you will find a lot of injury in MMA. In MMA, knee and elbow are allowed, and I think those are more brutal.

Yeah.

Yeah. How. How. This is a dumb question for you. How awesome does it feel when you connect with a punch and knock someone out? That's got to feel, like, the coolest feeling in the world, where you're like, man, like, I could never knock anyone out. I'm. I'm a pussy. But for you, like, hitting someone perfect, is it just an incredible feeling, like, adrenaline rush?

I think winning is an incredible feeling, like, um, you know, like, right in the action with the adrenaline and everything. When you're fighting, you don't think about, like, oh, I knock this guy out, like, the punches, you know, you just think about the overall result. Right, which is what matters most, because, like, sometimes during the fight, you can really feel like you connect with someone, and then he doesn't go down. Right. And sometime somebody goes down, like. And you're even, like, wondering why he's down. Like, if he slipped because you didn't feel like you truly connect, but yet you clipdehen him. In some ways, yeah.

What's the most satisfying way to win? I have my own answer, but I haven't fought very much Ufc, so maybe you have a different one than I do.

Well, the most satisfying way to win is to have your hand raised. That's the most. If you are asking about the most is to have your hand raised and then it depends on the play out, you know, on how the fight plays out. I think sometimes you go to a tough bandaid, and then you come back. Uh, you win the fight, and then it's more satisfying, you know, than when you just get in the fight and get a knockout. That seems like, of course, you're fresh, you know, you're not hurt. Uh, but he can be. He can be you. Like, a lucky shot.

Yeah, I. I think the. I think the best way, at least as a spectator, is a liver shot. When you connect on a body shot, and then, like, 2 seconds later, they collapse to the ground. That's my favorite one to watch.

Ah, okay. That's cool.

Yeah. I also. The UFC, like a guillotine choke. You've done that before? You submitted someone with a guillotine choke? Have you, uh, in training and everything, have you ever tapped? I've never tapped personally. Have you ever tapped?

Yes.

Oh, wow.

I have done.

Why?

I would never.

Well, I think. No. Why? Because that maybe that's why you're not professional.

No.

And I think when you have. When you have somebody in the gym that will not tap, that's not good for training. He's putting people at risk. He's putting himself at risk. And you address, because, like, I think the confusion here is to understand, like, the purpose of training, of why you're there. You know, sometimes tapping is like, okay, okay, I made a mistake. You know, like, you're there to learn. You're not there to prove anything. And I think tapping is not, like, a sign of weakness. It's like noticing that, yes, you did some mistake, and then at that point, that maybe raise your awareness of what you did, like, for not to do it again, you know, of to learn from it instead of, like, being there and playing tough. Yes. Maybe you might play tough in the gym and don't have to tap, and then you get in the fight and then find yourself passing out.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a.

He wouldn't. He wouldn't. Then he wouldn't be productive.

Yeah.

Your training wouldn't be productive just because of your ego. But if you make your training productive, you're trying to understand you are not there to prove to people, you know, like I always say, like, training for me is just exercising. I don't really consider I'm there to learn. Like, in fact, for the most, most time, like, when I have partners, which I think they are not in my level, or even if they are at my level, I want to put my arm, like, to get myself in a difficult situation and see how I can overcome that situation. You know, I like to get someone on my back. Want to, like to get some. Get down and get someone on top of me. Stuff like that, you know, learn, understand, like, the keys of getting out of those difficult situation, then I learned. But if I stand up, I'm sure this guy will not take me down, right? So I'd rather just lay down for him, make things easier. And so he helped me walking. Maybe because this guy is a jujutsu guy, but he's not the rest he does. He's not strong enough to take me down, right.

So it's for what I want, you know, I put myself in the position to learn. Then I find myself in the ground getting. Sometimes have to tap because he's a expert in juju. So, in fact, that's why I get him shit there.

Yeah. Yeah.

To help me understand what's going on.

Yeah, I mean, that's a. That. Actually, now I think I will tap because Francis Naganu, one of the toughest guys in the world, says it's okay to tap.

I'm not going to tap because I'm never going to fight Francis Nagano.

Yeah.

That's my one rule. I've always said that my entire life. If I ever meet you, I'm not gonna fight you. You can, you can try all you want, but I'm not gonna punch you. When you're training for this fight, are you. Are you trying to find somebody that mimics the style of your opponent? Do you have somebody that. That you hand select because you think that it matches up with what your opponent's gonna do?

Of course. You always do that. How does always, like, match up also, like, it's not only about your opponent, it's also about your strategy. Like, what is the strategy that you want to implement in the fight? What's your game plan? How do you think you should approach the fight? You know, and also your. Your sparring partner could be picked up into that. You know, like, for example, you want to strike, and then you. You better have a good training sparring partner. You want to wrestle, you better have a sparring good wrestler as a sparring partner to get you work those muscles. Conjecture, because otherwise you will get in the fight. And in the first action, like, you feel the congestion in your hands and blood flow and everything you can move anyway.

Yeah.

It might be a dumb question, but do you ever get scared?

I would say nervous, yes. Just as nervous as you don't want to lose. As nervous as when? I don't know, like, when musician is into a scene. Uh, they are, they are nervous. You know, I would never say, like, scared because you kind of, like, tell yourself that at the end of the day, what can possibly happen? The worst is that I get hit in the face, you know? And, uh, at this point, I'm not, um. I'm not into, like, getting really, like, considered that I don't want to get hit in the face. But he won't be. A drum is not exactly, like, what it is. It's not exactly what will came, you know? So it's okay.

Yeah. So your story is incredible. You obviously, you grew up in Cameroon in poverty, you're working in a quarry, moved to France. Have you, do you have moments where you sit back? You're like, I can't believe my life and how I was able to make it through all this adversity and. And basically given no chance to get to where you are right now, to being one of the best fighters in the world.

Well, yes, there are moments like that. I mean, I still do. I still, like, when I think from where I came from, when I go where I came from, to see where I am today is still kind of, like, unbelievable, even though it's believable, because you have to believe in order to make it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a great story. It's so cool.

Yeah. But, you know, the thing is that I don't really, like, just sit down and, like, count it, because I think what I'm focused about right now is, like, how far can I go until I stop, you know? Because, like, where I am today is now where I was yesterday, and then my purpose is to be somewhere else tomorrow and the day after and the day after until. Or this end. So I look. Yes, of course I look back for a reference, but I focus forward.

Do you, do you have a moment when you were growing up or maybe when you moved to France where you had a moment where, like, I think I might be. I think I might have a special talent here. Like, there's something, or maybe someone told you it and you realize for the first time, because I love those stories of, you know, so incredible athletes having that first light bulb moment where you're like, oh, oh, this, this. I might have something here that's different than everyone else.

My light bulbs. My light bulbs wasn't my talent. In fact, I didn't know, I didn't see, I didn't go into a combat sport gym, into a boxing gym until I was 22. Years old, but yet, in my entire life, I believe in this. I think my light ball was faith, you know, determination in order to do what I do. And let's be honest right here, I don't think I'm the most skilled guy. I don't think I'm the most talented guy. In fact, I think talent is very important. But I think talent doesn't make you a champion. Talent doesn't make you put you in the top of the game. Like, there's only one thing is your dedication, your determination, and your how to work. Because the most talented people, for some reason, they are not always in top of the game. They might maintain play, use talent to get to the middle and stuck there, but to get on top of the game, you need way more than talent, and which is something that a lot of people, they don't have and they never get in that position.

Yeah.

Talent doesn't get you here. So I was. Look, I mean, in fact, I think in some way, I would say, is a luck not to have too much talent.

Yeah, I'm very lucky, man.

Because when you have talent, you relied on that talent. You trust that talent, and then you underlook the most important side of it, which is like, the hard work, which is like, your motivation, your determination, and all those stuff. You underline them and then that play back on you. Yeah. Even at school, you will see talented, genius. They never do their homework. They don't do stuff. They everything come to them, and they just take it as a granted, you know, even though they might be, have the first note in the class, they don't study. Right. But they get to the point that they need to study. But since they never used to study, is hot for them. But you, the guy that was always in the middle, that was always grinning, you know, started, he's there already. He has that core, and that's what drive him somewhere more than.

Yeah, it's a great point. Like, knowing that you're not the most talented person can be a huge asset because, you know, you have to outwork the most talented person that you see that hasn't, you know, come to them naturally. What was the point, though, when you were growing up, that you realized that you were super, super strong?

I mean, in my family, we used to always be strong. We had a reputation of being strong, even like me, as. As far as I can remember, my dad and my uncle, there was like, they were talking about them like the strongest guy in the village around. And, you know, so I knew I was. I was strong, but was strong. Strong. Is it enough?

Yeah.

Is it enough to do whatever you want to do that you don't know even where to do it, where to start it. That was the problem. You know, the problem wasn't about strain. Yes, you're strong, but we are talking about a discipline that you have to practice, you have to learn. And I haven't learned yet. So how come would I be, would I be useful to me?

So when you talk, when you talk about determination and how much you put in, how much work you put in, what does that look like in your world? Like how, how often are you training? What is, what is your determination getting you?

Determination is not just about, like the training. It doesn't come about training. Let me tell you something. I believe in this sport and in what I'm doing in where I am now. Ten years, ten years before the first time stepping in the gym. You know that faith is also a part of it. I think you need faith first and then you have the determination and then we'll talk about hard work and everything, but you need to believe in it at first because you are not determined about something that you don't believe is a way, it's first about like your faith to, to the consistent, to have the consistent faith. You know, stuff like that. Those are more important.

Interesting.

So then you go to that. That's what get you into the gym. That's what get you to believe into something, that self believing, that faith that you have in you and your, your capability of achieving something. That's what get you into that.

Yeah. And I read that and again, it's a incredible story that you have when you're growing up. You had to walk 6 miles to school.

Yes. Every day.

Yeah.

Was 6 miles one way.

6 miles. So what time would you have to wake up in the morning for that?

I used to wake up around like 536 when I was living at our house that I was living because the school was at six, 6 miles. So I will count like, we will count like 2 hours to walk. I mean, I'm saying six mile. I don't know exactly. I would say around that, but yeah.

That'S, that's such a long way to go to school. Like when I would wake up in the morning for school, I wouldn't want to even get out of my bed. I'd be like, no, the, the kitchen is too far away. I want to walk all the way to get breakfast. You're walking six.

Yeah, but that's, that's just human nature, you know, like, I walking 6 miles that I think is far. But the other kids are walking 4 miles. Someone are walking two, someone are walking one. But even those who walk one thing is far. And even if I was 1 mile away from school, I would have think the same thing. It's just like human nature. But when you don't have an option, then you just get settled to what you have.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Can I ask you a random question? A video that I saw last year was. I mean, it's just. It's a hilarious video. The time you accidentally pushed on a pole door and broke and shattered the door. Can you. What did the. What did the shop. Did you see this video?

I haven't seen this one.

Francis goes up to, like, it looks like a 711, basically, and he was pushing on a pole door, and he just shatters the door. Didn't even look like you pushed it hard. What did the. What did the shop owner say? You paid for the door. You're. You're a great guy. But what did the shop owner say when he. When he realized it was you and it wasn't just like, oh, someone had broken his door, you know, on purpose?

Well, I think what's happened is that you didn't follow back on that video. Otherwise, you wouldn't find out that he was a, uh. He was a prime. He was just something that we said.

You're contributing to fake news, right?

That was fake news. That was a good prank.

It wasn't a fake. It wasn't a fake news. Let's just say it was a little action, you know, like, watch movies sometimes. I.

Well, yeah, I'm seeing this video, right. I thought. I thought it was real for a second.

Yeah.

This is. It's a well done fake news.

That's a very thought. That was the point.

Mm hmm.

Got it.

To make it feel real.

Yeah.

That was the point.

You should do that in real life, though. You should do that to a door. Just. Just shatter and make it reality.

Where if every door that I touch is gonna. Are gonna break it, I think I will go broke.

Yeah. True. You gotta pay for everything.

Either that or by pay for dog.

Yeah.

Or people see you coming and they walk out and they open the door for you. You will. You'll never have to walk through another door in your life.

No. Or people just said, just had a fake door. So you're gonna keep pain.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One of my favorite questions asked. Fighters, how's camp going? How was. How is this camping? It's been a good camp. Tough camp. How, like, you know, in terms of, like, diet, exercise, everything. How's camp going?

He's going well.

Okay.

I mean, tough camp. I think a camp has to be tough. So. Yeah, tough on your body, tough on everything. You know, tough on your mentor, because, like, you put yourself in a different condition, you know, get in a very hard discipline and stuff and everything. You're always tough, but, you know, it's easy is the part of the game. Yeah, it's a process.

How fun is it to get to put the weight back on after a while?

Well, I don't have that much weight to put in. You know, like, I don't deal with weight, weight. Weight loss so much. So I'm. At least for that, I'm happy.

Yeah, you're good. You're good.

Yeah. I managed to lose the amount of. To lose weight during my calm because I might have, like, what, maybe.

Five.

To ten pounds, which is not too much. And over a couple weeks of training, you. You're almost there. And if at the end, you. You have something, it's like two pounds, which is nothing.

Yeah.

Do you have a strategy at the weigh in for how to get inside your opponent's head? Do you. Do you try to play mind games?

No, I don't have that because it's not my game, but because we play physical game, so. And what happened if the guy is not receptive to your. To your game? If he's strong enough for you not to penetrate into his mind, then he keeping it into yours?

Yeah.

Because you think you are into somebody mind. Why you are not, then, in fact, who is in who mind?

That's a good point.

I also think that you just showing up is more than a enough. Just like you physically standing there is more than enough to penetrate into someone's mind. You don't have to say anything.

Yeah, I think that's happened sometime. You know, days, you know, like, behind our keyboard sometime we can type stuff, talk a lot of shit. And then you get into a way in sometime with somebody, look at him, and you can see in his eye, like, what the fuck do I just put myself into? You know? But, yo, I'm like, bro, it's late now. It's going down.

Yeah. Yeah, you have.

You have to. You have to back your war.

Yeah.

Your ward.

All right, so I got a couple last questions. Everyone, again, battle. The giants. Naganu versus Ferreira goes down Saturday, October 19, at 04:00 p.m. eastern on ESPN, plus pay per view and Dazon. Pay per view. Do you want to give us a prediction? For the fight.

Some prediction. I think the best prediction is me going out with my hand raise.

Okay.

Okay. I like that. Yeah, I like that. And then you go ahead.

I was gonna say, do you have any plans on going back to boxing after this?

Yeah, of course. That's what I just said earlier.

Yeah.

You're gonna go back?

I think I saw, yeah, I have some copper fight. Some copper boxing match.

All right, so I had one last question. This has been awesome, Francis. We really appreciate it. Rowback question. Rhoback.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers shorts. Roback.com dot. I gotta ask, is that a question? Yeah, that. Well, that was the lead up to the question I gotta, I gotta ask. I am. I am a huge, huge jackass fan. What was it like hanging out with those guys and doing a video with them and punching them? Because I just, I love jackass from, you know, 20 years ago. So was that. What was it like being with those guys and around those guys?

He was nothing good. Like, for real. Like, uh, when I get there, I thought it was a movie star that you're gonna pretend and do something and they might use special effect. So you say, you know, you're gonna hit for your arm. Like, really? They say, yes. So I turn around and I asked my team that, do we have some waiver here that is signed that I'm not going to be so. From hurting somebody from this, you know? And they say, no, it's good. We always do. Everything is authentic. We don't pretend here. And I'm like, okay. And then, uh, yes, I have to hit this guy in the nuts. And I was so, I was so worried. I was so stressed that I couldn't hit properly at the first. At first. And I'm like, no, bro, this no real, just not how you hits. Like, you're gonna start again and the guy is there streaming. Like, I'm like, so I gonna do it again? I'm like, yes, for real? I'm like, okay, well, if we're here, let's do it then.

It's incredible. I mean, that's. Those guys are the best. Did they, did they, when you were on set with them, did they try to prank you at all? No. Okay. That was smart as a good job to leave you alone because they usually, they usually try to fuck with everyone who goes on set.

No, like, I mean, I think that was their way to fuck with me because I didn't know it was real. I was going to do it. Do it for real?

Yeah.

Like, I put it 18 ounce glove, and they say you're gonna hit as hard as you can.

That's.

I'm like, what happened if it's explode?

Yeah.

Like, like, how come. What? How come to at which moment a human being start think of such a thing?

Yeah, it's crazy. I don't think that as a. As a fighter, you've trained to a point where you feel comfortable just winding up and hitting a guy in the dick, right?

No.

No, you don't.

It's never something that you practice.

Definitely not. Definitely not. Well, Francis, thank you so much. We'll be watching October Eastern, you know, ESPN, plus, pay per view to zone. Appreciate your time. I know it was a little, little. The hologram, it's crazy, but it was very cool on our end. You hologram. Yeah, you look great.

Okay. Thank you, guys.

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Okay, let's wrap up. We got fire fest of the week. Henry.

Danny.

What's up?

What's up? Not much. What's up with you? Mmm. JC.

You trying to get a me in a bit?

Did he do up dog to you? Did you get up dogged?

Firefest. Sounds like you had a good week.

Yeah, not much.

He just answered. What's up with you?

Sup?

Not much. What's up with you?

You're looking at it.

It's cool.

All right.

Yeah, the roots. Really pretty basic week. This does the. This is, like the lamest fire festival time. I don't even know if I should say it.

Say it.

I.

We had an event at the office last night. Did not drink. There was an espresso, Martini cell, blue station. I got a regular espresso at, like, 06:00 got home, was tired, gotten to bed, wide awake, wired, stayed up till three. No big deal.

New stove, no new style. Blue. We got bully beans.

Bully beans. I think I got the belt. Bully believe. Bully beans. They worked. I was wired.

And butter cookies back as well.

So you just. You stayed up till 03:00 a.m. yeah.

I just watched Queens gambit.

Ah, that's a good show.

Had you seen it before?

Yeah, I was like, oh, this was a good show. And I watched it the first time, and then I forgot the whole premise. Well, embarrassing story. This is a fyre fest. A retroactive fyre fest.

Okay.

First time I watched that show, I was like, this shows really good. Avoided the Internet, kind of. And then once it ended, I, like, went to up, like, Wikipedia. Like, what a crazy story. It's not true.

You thought it was based on true story?

Shit.

Surely they wouldn't make a tv show about chess unless it was, like, a real story.

Yeah. 100% fat, but it is a great, great show.

Yeah, it is. Yeah.

I'm sorry. You didn't sleep? You sleep in?

No, I got up. Got up onto the gym.

08:00 Friday. You can get Friday off now.

I'll be here for a little bit.

Yeah. How long?

Like, why is this. Why is Friday your last day of golf?

It's my last play. It's my last plan day. No, but, like, I don't.

I don't.

I don't see. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I haven't golfed in the last three weeks. Like, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if. This is it.

Yeah.

That's how long it takes to break a habit, right? 20, is it 21 days?

Yeah. Can you do a little, like, putting your clubs away for the winter video for us?

Yeah. See you again.

Yeah, do that for.

It's been.

Don't put them all away. Like, you never know.

Yeah, well, yeah, I'll be me putting away in the simulator.

It's gonna be really nice next week, right?

Is it?

I think it is, but the weekdays, the weekly, that's how fast.

No, no, it's only days.

You can go. No, I can't.

Oh, yeah, Hank, it's gonna be 74 Sunday, 75 on Monday, 70 Tuesday.

Yeah.

You're back.

I'm a weekend golfer.

You're back.

We'll see.

Sunday's a weekend.

Yeah. Pft.

Are we gonna get do the weekend debate again? Again?

Yeah, it's a weekend in, in theory, but I'll be here for 14 hours about the morning.

Go early.

All right. Pft.

Couple fire fests. First is I got the car back, so I guess it's a pre fire. It's a pre fire fest. I drove it all the way from the repair shop, which is about an hour and 15 minutes away. So I think it's probably out of gas right now. So we'll see if it starts up.

After I have to leave to hour and 15 minutes. Back roads.

Yeah, back roads did not take the highway on the way back. I learned my lesson. The other Fyre fest also has to deal with last night. So we had a big event at the office here, and our good friend Jersey Jerry got very dressed up.

Yes.

He put on a suit. He was looking to close some deals. In fact, he came up to me and he said, pft, what are you looking to do tonight? Are you looking like, are you looking to close deals? For part of my take. Are you looking to close deals? I was like, I'm just gonna talk to people and, like, meet advertisers. And so you. He asked me that question, I think, for a reason. But we were hanging out myself, chaps, Donnie, and we just talked to Jersey Jerry. And then we came up with an idea for a little prank under good friend Jersey Jerry.

Yep.

Which was we. We tried to find an advertiser that was walking around. That was cool. That was a listener, fan of the show, fan of bars, and to get them to go up to Jersey Jerry and tell Jerry that they were from Pfizer and they wanted to do an advertisement with Jersey Jerry. Obviously, Jersey Jerry lived of the year. Yep.

So loves Pfizer.

Loves Pfizer. And he. Whenever he sees John Legend or Travis Kelsey on tv, just. He just turns bright red and starts sweating. He's, fuck these guys. Fuck these guys.

Yep.

So we found a couple people that were into playing along with it. This. They went up to Jerry and they gave Jerry a pitch that they wanted to personally sponsor Jerry for, I think, $700,000. And Jerry immediately said yes and went running across the room to get a salesperson to close the deal. So that was funny. Jerry got upset about it. I think he blamed you. I think he went over PFT.

He made me swear on my kids life that I didn't set him up, which I was, happily. I had no idea you guys were doing this. I was aware because Max told me afterwards. So I was like, yeah, I'll swear on my kids life. I literally did not set you up. It was someone else. Okay? Yeah. He was like, swear on your kid's life.

Then he came up to me hot. You were the last person he expected. It was. He thought when it wasn't, when he knew it wasn't you, he came up to me. He almost, like, put me. Put me in, like, a chokehold.

Yeah.

Couldn't reach your neck.

So then I come to find out that there actually were two people from Pfizer walking around last night. Night. So I. Then that screwed me all up, because I'm like, what if they were actually trying to do a deal with Jerry, right? And they go up to Jerry, and they try to close deal Jerry's will. He'll, like, flip them off and run away.

Yeah.

So Jerry's very, very upset at a lot of people. We do have video footage of the conversation happening. Jerry has said that he does not. He does not consent to the video. I don't know what that means. It was just on the security camera.

Okay.

But Jerry says he doesn't consent.

All right. He doesn't consent.

So I don't know. Are we allowed to put that out? We can blur.

It could be. Blur out his tattoos, blur out Jerry's face.

It could be anybody. But, yeah, I think we do have security footage of it, but Jerry's upset, and I. Maybe there's a chance that we accidentally ruined a possible actual deal.

But he would have done the deal with FISA.

Oh, he agreed to it. Yeah, he agreed to it immediately. Yeah, immediately. You can see.

Good to know.

In the video, you can see they're just, like, making pleasantries, and then you can see the exact second where dollars and cents get mentioned.

Okay, so blur out the Jerry's face in the Jerry video.

Yeah, yeah.

But it's all title a Jerry agreeing to a deal with Pfizer.

Yep. It could be anybody, though.

It could be anyone. All right. My fyre fest is I've been betrayed by someone in this room.

This room.

Not this room. This room in this.

Okay.

I've been betrayed by someone in this room. In the studio.

Hug.

So memes.

Nope. That guy stare at me right now. So we have a lot of people working here. I love my job. I love barstool sports. Oh, one of the parts of barstool sports. And I understand it. Psy and I are going to turn 40 soon. We have hired some younger people. And part of the younger people crew is a couple younger girls that terrorize me by putting them. Putting me in their TikToks. And I feel so fucking old. And they say shit like, hey, are you going to go to the John summit concert? And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? But Ella, who I like, is Indiana grad, and she is going to. We're doing a show, college football show. Come out to the college football show.

This is great.

1030 in the morning on Saturday. We'll be there. She's an Indiana grad. She's going to the game, and she's trying to get me to go to Kilroy's after the game. I explained to go. I explained to Ella as clearly as I could that I will be. By the time the ball gets kicked off, I will most likely be back home in Chicago. Chicago.

We went to Kilroy's.

Yeah, great. It was nothing against Kilroy, but it's everything about the fact that I'm 39 and have three kids and I work nonstop and I don't have time to go to. I would love nothing more. I would love nothing more than to spend an afternoon in Kilroy's getting shit faced. I believe me, that would be great.

It's also not ants. It's not a place for people in their upper thirties. Because we went there a couple years ago and we went upstairs and I think we were up there for, like, maybe ten minutes.

It's an awesome bar.

I had a blast.

Yeah, it's a great bar.

It's a great place. Don't get me wrong.

The people of Kilroy's, we did a t shirt deal with Kilroy's ten years ago for the black. I love Kilroy's. It has nothing to do with Kilroyce. It has to do with the fact that I'm old and I can't, like, continue with the. Yeah, yeah, I'm getting back to it. So I told Ella this. I said, I'm not going to kill Royce. It's just not happening. I appreciate the offer. I love Kilroy. Is not going to happen. I then got a text from Ella. She's like, hey, Max gave me your phone number. Can we set up? What deal? Hey, big cat, it's Ella. Max gave me your number. Headed to IU right now since you decided to bring your show to my alma mater on the grand week, return my grand weekend return. I would like to offer you my Kilroy's tab for my game day table if I. You win. So I have to pay her tab if I. You wins? That's right. Oh, no, I get the tab. I get the fully expensed tab. That's right. Right. Table, fully expensed. Oh, no, wait. On you. If I. You go seven, and. Oh, what the hell is this deal?

So I have to pay her if I.

You win, so she's making an offer to her. Bet is you have to pay for my drinks if we win.

Either way, she shouldn't have my number. Text me about kill Royce. Who did that?

You know who did it? As we were walking out, she went up to Hank, and Hank was like, yeah, just say it was Max. I gave you, fucker.

You fucking.

Well, no, she was.

That was. That's, like, what you say, Max the entire time.

Did say, whatever. I don't care.

Yeah.

All right. Well, I was betrayed.

I was.

I mean, she. She was, like, basically trying to figure out a way, like, asking me, like, how. How can I help get this table paid for? And there was a bunch of people just joking around, and I was like, oh, just. I actually first said, go ask big cat if you can use his card for the weekend, which obviously was a joke. And then she was like, oh, she think I should text him? I was like, yeah, text them. Tell Max told you.

Well, I just replied to her, because I hadn't replied to her. I said, I respectfully declined. Thank you for the consideration. I. These girls just terrorize me because they're just young, and they just know shit that I don't know. And they just say words to me.

That I don't know, was the question they asked you.

You're gonna go see John Summit?

Is that like a. Is that. He's John summit.

He's next up DJ.

I know. He's our choose now.

He's already there.

Because what I heard that I thought is John summit. Is that code for, like, meat in the bathroom?

Pft. Our conversation was this. No, this is our conversation. When they said, are you going to go see John summit this weekend? I said, who? And they said, he's the best dj in the world. I said, what happened to Diplo? And then he laughed in my face.

Yes. That's tough.

That's exactly how it went down.

What about Shaq?

Shaq's a good dj.

Yeah.

So thank you, Hank. Yeah.

I mean, you're, like, the. The patriarch of this office. I think it's good for employees to have your number.

That's.

That's. That's fair.

Yeah.

That's what I needed.

That going to FaceTime me from Kilroyce, and that's going to be so awesome. I'm going to really enjoy that. And I. It's nothing against Ella. She's.

Sounds like you're mad.

No, she's. No, you. She's. Max, she's 23 years old. She should be doing exactly. She should be going to.

I.

You should be going to. Kilroy's having the time of her life. She's done nothing wrong.

My.

You have enabled it.

My problem is there was no downside to this bet. This wasn't even a bet. It was just like, hey, if we win, you're paying.

Yeah, and probably if I. And they're seven point favorites.

What if they lose?

Yeah. I don't know.

Fired.

So anxious. She probably woke up. So anxious waiting for a text, and then she got. She's definitely freaking out about that text.

Yeah. And, oh, I'm going to say thank. I respectfully pass. Thank you for your consideration. And I've fired Max for giving my number away. What is she going to say? She going to. She's going to. She's going to snitch. Where is it? Test her.

That is a good test.

Yeah.

What if she tells the truth? We pay for the bar tab.

This would be a good test. We'll see. Yeah.

Then she's fired.

Yeah. Okay. She's not fired. She does a good job. And Hannah terrorizes me as well. But I got her back because chaps does his videos, and she didn't know where France was.

Neither did Max. I was there.

Yeah, that's true. I got to watch it live. Those grants.

You don't know where Francis actually were in France.

I know, and people keep saying that to me, that live for everybody was.

Like, I see Paris. I see France.

Oh, so funny.

I'm just gonna start using.

So I had multiple underwear companies coming up to me last night.

Oh, I love. I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start weaponizing chaps. That's what I'll do. Because every time they put me in a tick tock and I don't understand a trend, I'm just gonna be like, chaps, go up and ask them, like, what colors the sun? And that will be funny for me. So I got. I got my ways. Yeah.

I'm dumb.

Yeah. I'm scared. I'm scared of the use of America. America. That shouldn't be a surprise. Max, you got a fire fest.

Yeah.

I went on talking underwear, underwear company.

Underwear.

No. I almost got evicted, but I moved into a new place. I've had auto pay. I never actually. What?

You had auto pay?

I've had auto pay in my last two apartments, so I don't really think about it. And then. Oh, no, I had to prorate it. So they said, you can't set up auto pay until your next thing.

So how many months late were you?

No, I was. I was, like, five days. And then someone. I wasn't even home. Someone, apparently my girlfriend said that someone came knocking on the door, like, really? Like. And then just threw a piece of paper at her and just said, from your landlord.

Oh, notice situation. Like Stephen Che, when he bought, he got a new car, and he thought he set up auto pay, but he just paid one time for automobile pay.

No, this was me just, like, forgetting that I wasn't on auto pay anymore, but now I'm on a. I just, like, she. My girlfriend text me. She's like, you have to pay right now. I just got this paid now.

What's up with the jacket today? You look good.

Everyone keeps asking me this.

I mean, that jacket. But. But you know what? We were saying this the other day.

This is, like, the biggest fashion police but building in the world.

No, the culture we've created at Barcelona sports, which I welcome, is that if you try to better yourself, even a little bit, you get shot. Shamed to hell.

Mm hmm.

But that's how it should.

I'm gonna start.

We all need to stay exactly where we are.

No, I'm wearing veteran. This is the only place in the world where you can show up to work wearing a t shirt and jeans, and everyone be like, whoa, you have a date tonight, dude.

Yeah. What if you have t shirts, has a button down? I'm like, who died? Yeah.

Last week, I came and I wore a polo shirt, and then I was wearing, like, just jeans, and mad dog was like, look at you. That's the meanest look at you I've ever gotten.

I wore a flannel the other day, and KB was like, why are you trying so hard?

Yeah, if I have a button.

Jerry said that exact. That exact same thing to me today.

I love it.

Why are you trying?

It's as toxic of a culture as you can get.

I'm gonna look nice as tomorrow night.

No, but it's actually, the nice part about it is equal opportunity, because anyone who tries to wear anything nice gets shamed instantly.

Mm hmm.

Across the board.

Yep.

We should do a dress up nice week.

Built for. For comfort, not for speed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I had to wear jeans yesterday. Sucked. My joggers guy. Now through and through. All right, numbers.

311, 599, 17.

Shit. Who said what?

Hug.

Can't do that.

Big hat started 99.

I like this.

His desperation.

Same.

Oh, 99 actually came up. Yes. One of the advertisers wanted one of the pick a number, and 99 came up.

Six.

Sit one off.

Love you guys.